WEBVTT 00:00.771 --> 00:05.053 [SPEAKER_01]: I am really stressed out about ordering these dresses from newly. 00:05.473 --> 00:10.235 [SPEAKER_01]: I just re-upped my box and I'm have a wedding next weekend. 00:10.875 --> 00:12.776 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can never get one option. 00:12.816 --> 00:16.237 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to get like three things you're excited about that might work. 00:16.337 --> 00:18.078 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of weird because then you're like, 00:19.750 --> 00:24.633 [SPEAKER_00]: What if they all work and then I have like all these dresses that I have to wear that are fancy. 00:24.714 --> 00:33.239 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to tell you next week what's great is I'm going so I have a rehearse like the cocktail, the wedding. 00:33.760 --> 00:35.121 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm flying back. 00:35.601 --> 00:46.986 [SPEAKER_01]: And I am going to probably get a dress on in the airport and take the bus to a party where I am going to another post wedding party that I got invited. 00:47.006 --> 00:51.308 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you have a lot of places you can wear a loop. 00:51.608 --> 00:58.190 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what I need is like, I actually just need you to like look at these and give me approval. 00:58.450 --> 00:59.951 [SPEAKER_01]: So what I need for you. 00:59.991 --> 01:02.272 [SPEAKER_00]: So the un-me-links because what I'm gonna do 01:08.295 --> 01:09.757 [SPEAKER_01]: What's it you're going to do that's crazy? 01:09.977 --> 01:16.042 [SPEAKER_00]: I read like every review, I try to find body types that are similar to mine to see what the pitfalls are. 01:17.062 --> 01:25.549 [SPEAKER_00]: For like, in my case, like, I'm looking at people that are under five foot five saying that it was too long, or that it's not for short girls. 01:25.809 --> 01:26.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know what I mean? 01:26.790 --> 01:28.531 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm going to look at it in your reviews. 01:28.611 --> 01:33.876 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if somebody with like, big huge tips was like, a dent fit in the dress or like, 01:34.516 --> 01:37.800 [SPEAKER_00]: There was no support like I like basically try to find body types. 01:37.820 --> 01:44.468 [SPEAKER_00]: There's the my read every review then I take the dress itself and Google it You really do this for me. 01:44.808 --> 01:51.997 [SPEAKER_00]: I try to see how many people are reselling it on places like poshmark or ebay because a lot of people are it means it's not 01:53.158 --> 01:53.958 [SPEAKER_00]: loved. 01:53.978 --> 01:54.939 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to do. 01:55.179 --> 01:59.681 [SPEAKER_01]: Quinn, I'm going to have you put my number into newly and just look on my account. 01:59.941 --> 02:00.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 02:00.161 --> 02:08.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Because instead of sending you the links, what I'm going to do is if you want to, if you want to go into newly right now, I'll give you my, I'll give you my information. 02:09.026 --> 02:09.806 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you it. 02:09.926 --> 02:11.047 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, I'm one dress. 02:11.067 --> 02:12.227 [SPEAKER_01]: There's one dress I'm missing. 02:12.567 --> 02:13.908 [SPEAKER_01]: You can look at my closet and you can pick. 02:13.968 --> 02:17.710 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd give you full cart blanche to make this decision for me. 02:19.057 --> 02:22.742 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I put it in my cart, it's saved there. 02:22.862 --> 02:24.705 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not worried someone's gonna take it, right? 02:25.045 --> 02:25.846 [SPEAKER_00]: What's your phone number? 02:48.233 --> 02:58.180 [SPEAKER_01]: When, since we last saw each other, well, no, we saw each other, but since we last talked to our listeners, the next one, this weekend, we need things happen. 02:58.200 --> 03:02.763 [SPEAKER_01]: So many, it felt like New York was a lie. 03:02.883 --> 03:04.785 [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like New York, 03:05.405 --> 03:07.286 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I am not sporty spice. 03:07.686 --> 03:08.946 [SPEAKER_01]: We know this, okay? 03:09.406 --> 03:11.227 [SPEAKER_01]: But boy, can I cosplay as one? 03:11.707 --> 03:18.549 [SPEAKER_01]: I bought a Nick's shirt and boy, I think God they only had two more games when I bought it because they're the wise. 03:18.589 --> 03:20.930 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, when am I going to do laundry to watch this shirt again? 03:20.950 --> 03:21.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 03:22.331 --> 03:25.052 [SPEAKER_01]: I was really, really glad to wear. 03:25.132 --> 03:27.893 [SPEAKER_01]: And so on Saturday, I went to a friend's birthday. 03:27.913 --> 03:29.093 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw each other Saturday. 03:29.173 --> 03:30.073 [SPEAKER_01]: We had work together. 03:30.093 --> 03:30.674 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right. 03:30.694 --> 03:33.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is the easiest day, which was so nice. 03:33.234 --> 03:33.635 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to a 03:35.475 --> 03:44.944 [SPEAKER_01]: started the game there, ended the game in front of a really fun bar in Park Slope, and it was Brooklyn Pride. 03:45.244 --> 03:51.410 [SPEAKER_01]: So imagine the joy and love from the Brooklyn Pride parade, and then ending into the next. 03:51.850 --> 04:04.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Bleeding into the next, they won, and then there was an all-women drum line from pride that just played in the streets so much joy, so much celebration. 04:04.757 --> 04:16.564 [SPEAKER_01]: I love New York, they were kids on their, like, it was like 11 o'clock at night, and they were kids just out, party because parents were like, this can only happen. 04:16.604 --> 04:18.265 [SPEAKER_00]: Why kids stayed up for the game? 04:19.723 --> 04:20.663 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what did you do? 04:20.703 --> 04:21.764 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch it at home? 04:22.164 --> 04:26.205 [SPEAKER_00]: We watched it across the street at Michael and Dana with some people who were exhausted. 04:26.225 --> 04:27.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Were they exhausted? 04:27.546 --> 04:28.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Were they aggressive? 04:28.246 --> 04:29.846 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have time when the next one. 04:30.166 --> 04:34.308 [SPEAKER_00]: Because all the parents started to sit out of the parents, sort of cheering really loudly. 04:34.348 --> 04:36.008 [SPEAKER_00]: And Griff was like, it's midnight. 04:36.128 --> 04:39.229 [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's yelling, what the fuck is going on? 04:39.249 --> 04:40.610 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the first minutes here. 04:41.190 --> 04:42.410 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like that. 04:42.850 --> 04:44.311 [SPEAKER_01]: I really really like that. 04:44.491 --> 04:47.232 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, that was, it's been listen. 04:48.212 --> 04:49.413 [SPEAKER_01]: what a time to be alive. 04:49.773 --> 04:50.533 [SPEAKER_01]: It was that. 04:50.553 --> 04:55.916 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I like did a rare thing where I didn't have anything really going on Sunday. 04:55.956 --> 05:02.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I did still work, but I like took the day and didn't do anything outside of my house. 05:02.499 --> 05:03.260 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think. 05:04.460 --> 05:05.481 [SPEAKER_00]: You did complete. 05:05.501 --> 05:08.043 [SPEAKER_00]: He went to New England and then the Liberty game. 05:10.885 --> 05:12.406 [SPEAKER_00]: So we did, you really did. 05:12.726 --> 05:13.366 [SPEAKER_01]: You had opposite. 05:13.587 --> 05:21.252 [SPEAKER_01]: I needed it because I have been traveling so much and I realized like I actually don't remember the last time I had a day off. 05:22.569 --> 05:22.970 [SPEAKER_00]: Totally. 05:23.090 --> 05:23.650 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so nice. 05:23.671 --> 05:29.278 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the last time I did I went to Universal Studios, the theme park, which I'm going to contend. 05:29.759 --> 05:30.900 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not restful. 05:32.803 --> 05:36.968 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to actually counter that with that's not a restful thing to do. 05:37.268 --> 05:37.529 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 05:39.429 --> 05:43.874 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, we went to Freigel Rock on Saturday before going to the next day. 05:43.894 --> 05:45.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how was it, stupid? 05:46.056 --> 05:48.899 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I could be honest, stupid, but we loved it. 05:49.399 --> 05:59.089 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Griff loved it in a way that it was worth it, because, um, and go out like reluctantly loved it just in that way, where she and her friends kind of like half made fun of it, half loved it. 05:59.810 --> 06:00.911 [SPEAKER_00]: But Griff was like, 06:01.832 --> 06:07.761 [SPEAKER_00]: obsessively watching, turning to me every second to like tell me his thoughts in a very audible voice. 06:08.282 --> 06:16.395 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like very very engaged and then we got on the train and we had the a train ride from hell. 06:18.016 --> 06:40.823 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I do love New York, but this was like, it was so great that it ended being in the street on Cortale with our neighbors, yelling and fireworks because it started on this train ride where there was like a man that had smoked cracks sitting behind Griffin and his friend Karina and they were giggling and being friends and the man kept kind of yelling in a way where we were like, 06:41.403 --> 06:43.405 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know what's happening, but he is angry. 06:43.865 --> 06:47.188 [SPEAKER_00]: And he was holding his crack piping his later and his hand and he kept looking at it. 06:47.208 --> 06:50.050 [SPEAKER_00]: And I could tell he was like, should I smoke more on the train? 06:50.090 --> 06:52.512 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I hope you're gonna choose no. 06:53.312 --> 07:03.781 [SPEAKER_00]: So Matt and I had clocked that and we were had that like parent eye on it where we were watching to be like, what's the fastest we could put our body between that man and the little kids? 07:05.065 --> 07:05.425 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know? 07:05.925 --> 07:06.345 [SPEAKER_01]: And then? 07:06.385 --> 07:07.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I do know. 07:07.426 --> 07:09.147 [SPEAKER_01]: And oh, God, well, we were with that tent. 07:09.167 --> 07:11.527 [SPEAKER_00]: We were with that tent that was like, I have to throw up. 07:12.148 --> 07:14.769 [SPEAKER_00]: And the dad was like, just get me a bag, get me a bag. 07:14.829 --> 07:18.350 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, here's a bag, and he goes, don't worry, he's always very contained about this. 07:18.590 --> 07:20.671 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the kids start throwing up in a bag. 07:21.831 --> 07:45.166 [SPEAKER_00]: Then while that's happening, we're with three, five-year-olds that my friend Hillary's on the train with us entertaining them, like letting them basically do show time, like having them swing on the pole, having them do contest where they sit against the wall with no chair, letting them do big rock paper scissor games, but they're active and they just got activated by seeing Fragile Rock. 07:45.606 --> 07:48.748 [SPEAKER_00]: She's doing all this, and in the midst of this kid's throwing up, 07:51.870 --> 08:02.014 [SPEAKER_00]: entitled 26-year-old bitch stands up to get off the train and walks by Hillary and goes, excuse me, this has been really stressful. 08:02.494 --> 08:10.278 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a shared space and then gets off the train and Hillary and I looked at each other and just like scream laughed. 08:10.458 --> 08:12.719 [SPEAKER_00]: We were so blown away by this woman, 08:13.599 --> 08:19.080 [SPEAKER_00]: The audience really doesn't have kids or want kids, but like Hillary was killing it. 08:19.400 --> 08:29.222 [SPEAKER_00]: Any normal person would be like, this mom is entertaining these three five-year-olds, so they don't have a meltdown and is doing a great job. 08:29.542 --> 08:33.003 [SPEAKER_00]: And instead to be like, I needed a little more peace. 08:33.503 --> 08:39.164 [SPEAKER_00]: Was so out of line, not to mention the train was it was like, we were in on somewhere else. 08:39.264 --> 08:41.445 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just bizarre behavior. 08:42.845 --> 08:49.570 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny, it feels like she probably was activated by the 20 other things and decided to take it out on Hillary. 08:49.710 --> 08:58.757 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what's crazy is the same thing she said is this is a shared space could easily have been turned around on her. 08:58.837 --> 09:03.341 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the thing about New York, that like one Quinn, you have the worst subway look. 09:03.441 --> 09:04.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I really do believe that. 09:04.462 --> 09:05.963 [SPEAKER_01]: I say it every time you share a story. 09:06.003 --> 09:10.647 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, Jesus, when Quinn opens her mouth and is like, I was on the subway, I was like, so no, no, no. 09:11.387 --> 09:19.596 [SPEAKER_01]: as someone's gonna have a dick in their hand, drugs are being used, like someone's gonna be a cramogen, like inevitably, that's always what happens with you. 09:19.616 --> 09:25.122 [SPEAKER_01]: All I want for Christmas is an arcane, because I'm always on the subway. 09:25.142 --> 09:28.046 [SPEAKER_01]: You, we probably should be carrying those around. 09:28.066 --> 09:29.788 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, be, no, they should be. 09:30.428 --> 09:31.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I should be so. 09:31.508 --> 09:36.169 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but every time you open your mouth and like, oh, no, Queen on the subway danger, get on the floor. 09:36.369 --> 09:43.951 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think what's so funny about that 26 year old is I'm sure all of the things that you listed were also stressing her out and then on top of it. 09:43.971 --> 09:51.953 [SPEAKER_00]: There were kids, but like, who said this is a share committee and doesn't in New York, I like, does it when the doors to the subway are closing kind of vibe. 09:52.053 --> 09:56.314 [SPEAKER_00]: It was so cowardly and then Hillary's screamed, I will cut a bitch. 09:56.674 --> 09:59.215 [SPEAKER_00]: I hate young people as kids were getting 10:00.575 --> 10:02.896 [SPEAKER_00]: When I was like, we just become the crazy people now. 10:02.916 --> 10:05.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Hillary, Hillary might have killed her to the bait. 10:06.157 --> 10:12.579 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know that that 26-year-old, I would guess is not from New York and is just moved to New York. 10:13.420 --> 10:14.240 [SPEAKER_00]: Good luck, bitch. 10:15.840 --> 10:20.082 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a thing is like you're in a subway like that is a shared space and people do crazy things. 10:20.102 --> 10:20.703 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a moment. 10:20.983 --> 10:22.023 [SPEAKER_01]: We were not the most of them. 10:22.043 --> 10:23.484 [SPEAKER_00]: Something happening on this train. 10:23.504 --> 10:23.924 [SPEAKER_00]: One thing. 10:23.964 --> 10:24.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was the crime. 10:24.985 --> 10:27.366 [SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I was all saying it's a guy with the crackpipes. 10:27.386 --> 10:31.128 [SPEAKER_00]: So much shit happens on the, yeah, so much shit happens on the subway. 10:31.228 --> 10:32.909 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is the battle you pick. 10:33.069 --> 10:34.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you fucking? 10:35.131 --> 10:50.723 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's because it feels like it was the least the path of least resistance this battle because it was like she could make her feel like shit I think what's so interesting to me is there was I'm very I'm seldom feel endangered on the subway Like you know you like keep to your own little 10:51.383 --> 10:56.491 [SPEAKER_01]: square, you put your headphones on, you like read a book, you're just like in your own space, great. 10:57.172 --> 10:58.374 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my experience going. 10:59.075 --> 11:05.564 [SPEAKER_01]: But there was someone there was like a person who didn't seem totally mentally all there. 11:06.405 --> 11:09.829 [SPEAKER_01]: That got like a little too close to me the other night and I was like, what do I have to do? 11:09.849 --> 11:10.229 [SPEAKER_01]: What do I do? 11:10.249 --> 11:10.710 [SPEAKER_01]: What do I do? 11:10.750 --> 11:15.274 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I run like that like that like fight flight or freeze kind of like came in and I was like, do I run? 11:15.354 --> 11:26.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I freeze and it was like in those moments you really do have to like take stock of this situation pretty quickly and you're like Is running going to further instigate? 11:26.946 --> 11:27.467 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think I'm 11:27.827 --> 11:33.511 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, like, I would contend that, like, this happens on the subway, sure, in New York. 11:33.591 --> 11:35.813 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would contend anywhere you go. 11:36.353 --> 11:42.998 [SPEAKER_01]: This, as a woman, like, this, like, like 360 view around your head. 11:43.118 --> 11:45.239 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I might have headphones in my head. 11:45.379 --> 11:49.102 [SPEAKER_01]: I might be reading my weird romantic book, but you bet your ass. 11:49.202 --> 11:53.205 [SPEAKER_01]: I've already clocked the four things that could have injured me at this 11:55.506 --> 11:57.769 [SPEAKER_01]: fully ready and capable to fight. 11:57.809 --> 12:04.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I kind of think like that's why we're superior in New York is that we have to stay in survival. 12:04.196 --> 12:07.900 [SPEAKER_01]: But I would know what I would contend that, but I would contend that, that's women anyway. 12:07.920 --> 12:09.041 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how women are amazing. 12:09.402 --> 12:09.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 12:10.763 --> 12:11.603 [SPEAKER_01]: anywhere you go. 12:11.644 --> 12:15.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I remember I grew up in a really lovely suburb of Chicago. 12:15.625 --> 12:26.591 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lovely suburb and I took the train home from the city and I got there 11 and I walked to my family's home, which is like four blocks away, like New York, nothing. 12:26.791 --> 12:28.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that is a quick trip. 12:28.972 --> 12:31.293 [SPEAKER_01]: And so next morning, I was so anyway, so I 12:31.993 --> 12:47.092 [SPEAKER_01]: I get off the train and I walk home and it's like 11 o'clock at night and it freaked me out more than New York did because it was so quiet I mean there was no you know one around even when it was noon and I'm walking Denver and I'm in the neighborhood that my parents were in which is nice 12:47.953 --> 12:51.774 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like noon and no one else is on a walk and I'm like, I'm so serious. 12:51.794 --> 12:52.374 [SPEAKER_00]: It's serious. 12:52.534 --> 12:52.814 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 12:53.234 --> 12:59.376 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really fucking scary when you're fully by yourself and the next morning my mom was like, Carrie, why didn't you call me? 12:59.516 --> 13:01.276 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we could have, we would have picked you up. 13:01.336 --> 13:06.717 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we would have gotten the car and picked you up and I didn't tell her I was scared of course because I was like, mom, it's a nice suburb. 13:06.737 --> 13:08.038 [SPEAKER_01]: But like, what are you talking about? 13:08.078 --> 13:10.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I can walk for fucking blocks. 13:10.738 --> 13:16.880 [SPEAKER_01]: But I will say the like fear I had of just existing in a space where I was like, it's dark. 13:17.680 --> 13:20.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Fairly well lit, but it's dark, and I'm alone. 13:20.782 --> 13:22.323 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 13:22.343 --> 13:22.403 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 13:23.003 --> 13:23.463 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 13:23.703 --> 13:24.284 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 13:24.864 --> 13:27.205 [SPEAKER_01]: Felt worse than me on a subway at 2 o'clock in the morning. 13:27.225 --> 13:32.068 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you that much, because I've done both, and one felt scarier to me, and it was my nice suburb. 13:32.368 --> 13:34.189 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm walking with no one. 13:34.989 --> 13:36.030 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the truth. 13:37.071 --> 13:40.612 [SPEAKER_00]: So my other misadventure that I got into was that, 13:41.813 --> 13:56.005 [SPEAKER_00]: I went and had drinks on Thursday with a couple of the moms from Griffin's class that are like newer friends and a couple of them are like my age and one of them's maybe like a decade younger. 13:56.946 --> 14:02.931 [SPEAKER_00]: And the younger mom was talking about having gone through it this week and 14:04.496 --> 14:23.741 [SPEAKER_00]: like, of recently, and being like, it's been so stressful, and Dada-Dada, and to illustrate her point, she tells us she says to us, I mean, I'm just not doing what the other day at drop off, another mom checked on me, and she was like, are you okay? 14:24.402 --> 14:29.103 [SPEAKER_00]: Because honestly, and then she looks at me, and she goes, I look like you. 14:33.693 --> 14:35.394 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, what? 14:36.895 --> 14:40.817 [SPEAKER_00]: And Hillary was like, Hillary's like, um, what? 14:41.378 --> 14:44.560 [SPEAKER_00]: And Hillary and I are looking at each other like, what is happening? 14:44.600 --> 14:46.461 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, my mouth is a gate. 14:46.501 --> 14:50.864 [SPEAKER_00]: A gate, a gate and I looked at each other and just started laughing and we're like, what? 14:51.064 --> 14:52.345 [SPEAKER_00]: And the mom goes, no, no, no. 14:52.865 --> 14:57.608 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, you know how I'm always so put together and like, you show up in your mouth, shut your mouth. 14:58.384 --> 14:59.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Shut up, shut your mouth. 14:59.526 --> 15:03.311 [SPEAKER_01]: And Hillary goes, oh, wow, wow, doubling down, making it worse. 15:05.607 --> 15:18.173 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like cackling, but Hillary and I could not stop laughing, but this other woman did not do the thing that like, most people were like, she's not getting it in the way where she's able to fix it. 15:19.134 --> 15:23.656 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Hillary and I just have to laugh together and then I had to be like, okay, it's fine. 15:23.696 --> 15:34.742 [SPEAKER_00]: Just keep telling your story without any resolution as to this mom, basically telling me that she's a such bad shape that she's showing up to drop off looking like me. 15:35.462 --> 15:38.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Quig, you just got your ass handed to you. 15:38.704 --> 15:43.627 [SPEAKER_01]: You just got your ass served on a fucking so that I might end in. 15:43.727 --> 15:49.230 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, there was a night where I was like, me it drop off and it's like a woman dancing and pajamas. 15:49.910 --> 15:54.133 [SPEAKER_00]: I could me it drop off and it's like the person covered in trash. 15:55.965 --> 15:58.627 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked like, oh, what? 15:58.647 --> 15:58.727 [SPEAKER_01]: You. 15:59.708 --> 16:04.110 [SPEAKER_01]: Quinn, that woman put parsley on that fucking dish and served it to you. 16:04.391 --> 16:08.253 [SPEAKER_01]: That woman, that is to not be aware again. 16:08.273 --> 16:09.034 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get it. 16:09.054 --> 16:12.176 [SPEAKER_00]: I tell you, it wasn't like the realization that it wasn't until you would. 16:12.756 --> 16:15.337 [SPEAKER_01]: And here's the thing, here's the thing, what I do. 16:15.537 --> 16:25.919 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if this is the right thing to do, but sometimes I have to just for my own sanity, is sometimes I have to be like, maybe they're not operating on all levels. 16:26.279 --> 16:28.519 [SPEAKER_01]: Dang, girl, you got God. 16:28.539 --> 16:30.620 [SPEAKER_01]: I got God, you got God. 16:31.140 --> 16:32.620 [SPEAKER_01]: You got God freaking hard. 16:32.920 --> 16:34.141 [SPEAKER_01]: Should we story time it up? 16:34.521 --> 16:35.501 [SPEAKER_01]: We should story time it up. 16:35.541 --> 16:36.941 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you're listening to truly. 16:41.119 --> 16:41.940 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm carry up in the. 16:42.220 --> 16:44.823 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go there to go there. 16:44.843 --> 16:45.363 [SPEAKER_01]: Really? 16:45.383 --> 16:45.944 [SPEAKER_01]: Sounds. 16:46.004 --> 16:46.224 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 16:46.264 --> 16:49.367 [SPEAKER_01]: I like go 45 minutes to you and then like then go 45 minutes to the park. 17:07.143 --> 17:10.485 [SPEAKER_01]: What are we going to get right you just want me to be there when you are your disco party shirt. 17:10.685 --> 17:16.448 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all you want by the way I have two sequined dresses and one is with the short sleep one is spaghetti strap. 17:16.588 --> 17:17.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see which one. 17:17.208 --> 17:20.970 [SPEAKER_01]: I wear What do you would just want let's see which one okay? 17:22.571 --> 17:23.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Those first okay. 17:23.992 --> 17:29.135 [SPEAKER_01]: I do Okay, oh wait we should wait for our sponsors 17:32.922 --> 17:42.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I got this information from Wikipedia, AP News, and ABC News, and I'm going to tell you about James Arthur Ray, who was born in Hawaii. 17:43.466 --> 17:50.608 [SPEAKER_01]: His dad is actually in the US Navy, so he travels around a lot as a little kid, but he sends most of his childhood in Tulsa, Oklahoma. 17:51.068 --> 18:00.012 [SPEAKER_01]: And I guess his dad leaves the Navy, and he decides to do like sort of like the next thing that makes sense, and that's step in that career, and he works as a preacher for the red 18:03.974 --> 18:21.111 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's worth it to know they were not well-off and James will often be like, it was so challenging how hard his childhood was, like he couldn't get a haircut, but apparently people he grew up with were like, James was always like pretty well-dressed and you knew he was going to succeed in life. 18:22.112 --> 18:30.136 [SPEAKER_01]: He went off to Junior College, he dropped out, and then he becomes a telemarketer, and then eventually a sales manager and a trainer. 18:30.156 --> 18:36.599 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the early 1990s, he realizes he has a gift for public speaking. 18:37.379 --> 18:45.143 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason I want to cover his upbringing is it does feel like because he moved around a lot, he like knew how to meet new people, 18:46.083 --> 18:52.566 [SPEAKER_01]: And his dad is a preacher, and so it does feel like there's something there where he was like I saw my dad do it. 18:52.826 --> 19:08.252 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a public speak and he becomes a very gifted public speaker And he starts to make his own seminars and he becomes a motivational speaker He launches his first company in 1992 and then he sets up his company James Ray International Incorporated in 2000 19:10.139 --> 19:19.324 [SPEAKER_01]: He, one of the things that sort of helps launch him into public notoriety is he's one of the narrators of the secret. 19:19.904 --> 19:26.187 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's like a part of the film, the secret, which we know, it's like, if you think it, you will believe it, whatever. 19:26.367 --> 19:37.273 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's an advocate for the law of attraction, which apparently the law of attraction from what I read on Wikipedia, it is a mix of spirituality, motivational speaking, and quantum physics. 19:38.595 --> 19:52.105 [SPEAKER_01]: I did not look any further into this because frankly, I just, I didn't think it was necessary to this story, but I do want to say a quote that he says and I want you to tell me what you think this means. 19:53.146 --> 19:56.108 [SPEAKER_01]: I fully know for me that there is no blame. 19:56.868 --> 20:05.835 [SPEAKER_01]: Every single thing is your responsibility and nothing is your fault because every single thing that comes to you is a gift, a lesson. 20:08.534 --> 20:11.215 [SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful, really beautiful. 20:11.415 --> 20:20.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we know people like this and the idea of like operating in the world where someone's like, it's not your fault and all these bad things, it's a gift. 20:20.958 --> 20:26.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I understand people who are maybe like yearning to understand the world will cling to that lesson. 20:26.520 --> 20:31.002 [SPEAKER_01]: For me, I like can't identify with something not being my, to mind to blame. 20:31.962 --> 20:33.503 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not familiar with that adage. 20:34.003 --> 20:36.044 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand it, but here we are. 20:36.624 --> 20:43.688 [SPEAKER_01]: So he believed that like positive thinking could heal, and you could use your will power to stay free of all illness. 20:44.348 --> 20:44.528 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 20:44.708 --> 20:45.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Fun. 20:45.649 --> 20:45.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Fun. 20:47.595 --> 21:12.475 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2000, these his beliefs were coming into light and people were like wow this is great some people were like wow this is concerning and he also appeared on I think Dr. Phil and Oprah I don't know if I know Oprah he appeared on he appeared on Larry King Live like he was he was like getting he was getting some like credibility and he was like you know do in the dang thing 21:13.336 --> 21:13.676 [SPEAKER_00]: You want it? 21:13.916 --> 21:18.159 [SPEAKER_01]: He would host seminars and wouldn't you believe in? 21:19.420 --> 21:21.841 [SPEAKER_01]: He sort of participated in some unsafe practices. 21:22.101 --> 21:23.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, are we surprised? 21:23.842 --> 21:25.443 [SPEAKER_01]: Wild, hold the shock. 21:26.104 --> 21:29.266 [SPEAKER_01]: And when he would do these things, they were like, not train medical staff. 21:29.606 --> 21:32.868 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to tell you why they're probably should have been train medical staff. 21:33.588 --> 21:39.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, at one of his seminars, I just imagine Tony Robbins, and being like, you can do anything. 21:40.031 --> 21:45.473 [SPEAKER_01]: You can break this board, so he had this like martial art board breaking exercise, and imagine you're this woman. 21:45.834 --> 21:51.576 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like Quinn, break this board, and she was like, no, I don't, I don't think I want to do that. 21:51.596 --> 21:52.676 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, you can do it. 21:52.837 --> 21:59.479 [SPEAKER_01]: You've got a girl, and so she tries it, and it doesn't break, and he's like, try again, and she's like, I really don't want to that hurt. 21:59.499 --> 22:00.560 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, try again. 22:01.100 --> 22:03.961 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was trying again, and then she suffered multiple fractures. 22:03.981 --> 22:05.282 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, God. 22:06.762 --> 22:08.763 [SPEAKER_00]: In, terrible. 22:09.503 --> 22:25.790 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2005, he hosted what he will call a spiritual warrior retreat, which he led, and he would have these sweat lodge experiences, and at this point, someone had to, a 42-year-old man fell unconscious during this exercise. 22:26.310 --> 22:29.473 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he had to call 911, and they responded to this. 22:29.513 --> 22:31.594 [SPEAKER_01]: So that was an isolated incident. 22:31.615 --> 22:34.097 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, should that was another incident? 22:35.438 --> 22:39.361 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2006, he had a bunch of his participants. 22:39.381 --> 22:45.866 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he got wise and he was like, they all need to sign waivers before they participate and these crazy feats that I'm having them do. 22:46.367 --> 22:51.351 [SPEAKER_01]: And so he told them, he was like, all right, what I want you to do is there's an arrow. 22:51.991 --> 23:11.318 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna you're gonna put the sharp point of an arrow against the soft part of your neck and you're gonna lean against like it's like Like the arrow was a tech like on a some hard left surface and you would put the arrow like close to your neck and lean on it And I think it was like to show that you have strength and you you won't hurt yourself. 23:11.458 --> 23:12.438 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know actually. 23:12.598 --> 23:13.499 [SPEAKER_01]: I made that up 23:14.279 --> 23:25.089 [SPEAKER_01]: but what I know is that this guy Kurt was there and the shaft of the arrow snapped and the arrow penetrated deep into his eyebrow and so he was like, that sucks. 23:26.010 --> 23:28.292 [SPEAKER_01]: He was just, he's the self-help guy. 23:28.732 --> 23:39.382 [SPEAKER_01]: In 2009, he had a seminar and one of the things he had, these folks do at the seminar, was that he had them dress as a unhoused person. 23:40.303 --> 23:55.842 [SPEAKER_01]: and he removed them of all their identification and apparently one of the participants calling Conaway jumped off the roof of a mall in San Diego and she died and she did not have any ID on her when she was found. 23:57.169 --> 24:10.582 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, I don't know the circumstances around this, but this is like, as we see, there's like increasingly concerning behavior that he is having as participants, that he is having these attendees, right? 24:10.602 --> 24:11.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Participate in. 24:12.865 --> 24:22.616 [SPEAKER_01]: This all culminates in October 8, 2009, and again, he has this spiritual warrior retreat, and it's hosted by him and it's near Sedona, Arizona. 24:23.117 --> 24:25.159 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is a five-day event. 24:25.179 --> 24:28.263 [SPEAKER_01]: It is $10,000 per person to participate. 24:30.410 --> 24:45.354 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how it starts off, but what I do know is that this retreat involved the participants fasting for 36 hours where he claimed to be a vision quest exercise. 24:47.094 --> 24:49.795 [SPEAKER_01]: And so what they would do is these participants would fast. 24:49.895 --> 24:53.176 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you asked me to fast for five hours. 24:53.476 --> 24:54.256 [SPEAKER_01]: I will refuse. 24:54.556 --> 24:55.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 24:55.637 --> 24:56.157 [SPEAKER_01]: 36 hours. 24:57.397 --> 24:58.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck yourself. 25:01.167 --> 25:07.793 [SPEAKER_01]: During this lunch, it doesn't include, I do know there was a meal served after this fast, but I'll get to that in a minute. 25:08.334 --> 25:16.101 [SPEAKER_01]: During this fasting, participants were left alone, participants were left alone in the Arizona desert with a sleeping bag. 25:17.482 --> 25:23.327 [SPEAKER_01]: He did offer Peruvian ponchos, but they were an additional $250, so not many people part of it. 25:25.760 --> 25:34.225 [SPEAKER_01]: So after this fast, he's like, I think trying to teach people of their like physical capacity of like how they can do hard things. 25:35.105 --> 25:45.371 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but afterwards he has this huge breakfast buffet and people are eating, you know, getting ready for the next step, which is a sweat lodge. 25:47.984 --> 25:50.405 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be clear, we'll find out later. 25:50.565 --> 25:55.587 [SPEAKER_01]: These sweat lodges were not built by any native person. 25:55.647 --> 25:58.528 [SPEAKER_01]: They were built by like local hires, non-native folks. 25:59.048 --> 26:02.610 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's sort of like mimicking native America. 26:02.670 --> 26:04.991 [SPEAKER_00]: A native, it's just a appropriation. 26:05.031 --> 26:05.851 [SPEAKER_01]: It's appropriation. 26:05.891 --> 26:13.254 [SPEAKER_01]: It's mimicking a native tradition and doing it poorly and without any sort of idea of what it actually 26:14.234 --> 26:14.814 [SPEAKER_01]: requires. 26:15.534 --> 26:20.476 [SPEAKER_01]: So keep in mind, these participants fasted for 36 hours. 26:20.656 --> 26:26.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of them went two days without water before entering the sweat lodge. 26:28.979 --> 26:31.359 [SPEAKER_01]: There were a lot of people in a very small space. 26:31.479 --> 26:38.181 [SPEAKER_01]: People say they were about 60 people in four hundred and fifteen square foot 26:40.617 --> 26:45.600 [SPEAKER_01]: That is an insane amount of people in a small space. 26:46.801 --> 26:48.162 [SPEAKER_01]: It is heated with red rocks. 26:48.582 --> 26:49.883 [SPEAKER_01]: He called it reber thing. 26:51.524 --> 26:53.105 [SPEAKER_01]: People started to feel sick. 26:53.785 --> 26:55.927 [SPEAKER_01]: People started to overheat. 26:56.707 --> 26:58.048 [SPEAKER_01]: They started to throw up. 26:58.869 --> 27:00.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people collapsed. 27:00.209 --> 27:01.330 [SPEAKER_01]: They were dragged out. 27:02.391 --> 27:04.772 [SPEAKER_01]: He then starts pouring water over rocks. 27:05.053 --> 27:07.674 [SPEAKER_01]: So now the heat is wet. 27:07.854 --> 27:08.695 [SPEAKER_01]: It's steam heat. 27:09.735 --> 27:22.058 [SPEAKER_01]: People started overheating, people started trying to leave, apparently, allegedly, I do not know for sure, but it was said that he convinced them or maybe stood in their way or didn't allow people to leave the experience. 27:22.778 --> 27:26.959 [SPEAKER_01]: People saw him as a dad, as a leader, and they were his children. 27:27.179 --> 27:32.180 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they were like, just trying to be good and stay in as long as he was. 27:34.361 --> 27:43.583 [SPEAKER_01]: This caused physical burns, dehydration, people had difficulty breathing, kidney failures, spikes in body temperature. 27:44.804 --> 28:02.228 [SPEAKER_01]: Paramedics were called, and a former employee of rays who was at the Sedona Arizona, quote, sweat lodge, ceremony and question, when they called for medical help, paramedics came to the scene, and the guy there was like, what happened here? 28:02.788 --> 28:15.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this like a mass suicide and she was like, no, it's a sweat-lodge gone wrong and he goes It's a sweat-lodge gone wrong and she says there were people lying everywhere. 28:15.352 --> 28:19.173 [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy There was vomiting, you know, there was moaning and crying. 28:19.193 --> 28:22.415 [SPEAKER_01]: It looked like a mass suicide It looked like people were on their way out. 28:22.875 --> 28:23.655 [SPEAKER_01]: It was crazy 28:25.464 --> 28:27.626 [SPEAKER_01]: 18 people were hospitalized. 28:28.806 --> 28:31.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Two participants were dead on the scene. 28:31.948 --> 28:35.230 [SPEAKER_01]: James Shore, who was 40, Kirby Brown, who was 38. 28:36.010 --> 28:38.112 [SPEAKER_01]: One participant was taken to the hospital. 28:38.592 --> 28:40.013 [SPEAKER_01]: She was in a coma for a week. 28:40.573 --> 28:43.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Liz Newman, who was 49 years old, died a week later. 28:46.072 --> 28:49.694 [SPEAKER_01]: three people died from this, 18 people were seriously injured. 28:50.454 --> 28:56.876 [SPEAKER_01]: After this horrific event, what his James Arthur Ray do, he refuses to speak to the authorities and he dips. 28:57.157 --> 28:58.217 [SPEAKER_01]: He leaves Arizona. 28:59.077 --> 29:02.219 [SPEAKER_01]: He will later say because he was scared, rightfully so. 29:02.939 --> 29:04.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Investigators go into this. 29:06.727 --> 29:07.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what did I do yet? 29:07.827 --> 29:09.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I thought you would blame me. 29:09.168 --> 29:10.208 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 29:10.648 --> 29:12.749 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did think we'd blame you and you're right. 29:13.689 --> 29:22.851 [SPEAKER_01]: When investigators start looking into this, obviously they see that these sweat lodges are not built by people who understand the ceremony or understand the requirements that are needed. 29:23.471 --> 29:27.132 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no permit or record or an application for this bill. 29:27.172 --> 29:29.173 [SPEAKER_01]: So like no appropriate permits were required. 29:29.753 --> 29:34.234 [SPEAKER_01]: On October 18th, the investigation leveled up to a homicide investigation. 29:35.795 --> 29:51.888 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the participants was talking to Ray on the phone and would later testify that Ray said, you know, I actually had a call with someone who channeled with the dead, communicated with the dead, and the people who died, they were actually having so much fun out of their bodies that they didn't want to return. 29:53.789 --> 29:56.311 [SPEAKER_01]: Vile, disgusting. 29:56.331 --> 29:57.192 [SPEAKER_01]: What a monster. 29:58.041 --> 30:17.130 [SPEAKER_01]: On October 30, Liz Newman's family filed a wrongful death loss suit against Ray, claiming negligent misrepresentation, negligence fraud, and other actions to him and the site owners, Sidney Spencer, another person who was injured in this quote ceremony, filed a similar action. 30:18.150 --> 30:23.733 [SPEAKER_01]: They were looking for compensatory and punitive damages, and there was no medical team, 30:27.254 --> 30:36.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Another, it took only a couple of months on February 2010, James Arthur Ray was arrested in connection with the deaths, and his bond was set at $5 million. 30:37.261 --> 30:41.064 [SPEAKER_01]: His lawyers were like, he can't afford that, and so his bailers reduced to $525,000. 30:41.124 --> 30:42.245 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course he was released on bond. 30:45.787 --> 30:54.256 [SPEAKER_01]: Three of the victim's lawsuits were settled before the criminal trial, so he paid out like $3 million, which I'm like, why wasn't he set on bond at $5 million? 30:54.416 --> 30:54.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever. 30:55.397 --> 30:58.320 [SPEAKER_01]: The criminal trial started in May of 2011. 30:58.921 --> 31:00.402 [SPEAKER_01]: 34 witnesses took the stand. 31:00.543 --> 31:02.284 [SPEAKER_01]: There were 43 days of testimony. 31:02.925 --> 31:07.450 [SPEAKER_01]: Prosecutors claimed that Ray kept raising the heat in these quote lodges, and, 31:08.130 --> 31:13.294 [SPEAKER_01]: ignored please for help and watched as the participants became overcome and were dragged out. 31:13.874 --> 31:19.358 [SPEAKER_01]: The defense said that the state cannot prove that beyond a reasonable doubt that he is culpable. 31:19.959 --> 31:25.383 [SPEAKER_01]: They also accused authorities of botching the investigation, which is like I think we see often, you know. 31:26.384 --> 31:30.787 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm good criminal defense attorney will typically point to a botch investigation. 31:32.428 --> 31:45.100 [SPEAKER_01]: And that, and the defense also says that the police had this narrow idea of what happened and so they just did everything they could to prove their thesis as opposed to find out what actually happened. 31:46.181 --> 31:54.610 [SPEAKER_01]: Ray had acknowledged that he was responsible for the deaths but offered no excuse for his lack of action as the chaos unfolded in the sweat lodge. 31:55.210 --> 31:55.811 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh. 31:55.831 --> 32:01.657 [SPEAKER_01]: He was found guilty of three counts of negligent homicide and not guilty of the manslaughter charges. 32:02.758 --> 32:11.527 [SPEAKER_01]: The finding specifically stated that Ray was responsible for causing the deaths of the three participants, whether or not he was aware of the risks that he was subjecting them to. 32:12.668 --> 32:17.233 [SPEAKER_01]: He was sentenced to a whopping total of two years in prison. 32:19.582 --> 32:31.069 [SPEAKER_01]: What I think is also really interesting about this is that Native Americans and First Nations experts on sweat lodges criticized his construction and they used for the fraudulent ceremonies. 32:31.109 --> 32:38.754 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a big outcry about his ignorance and misrepresentation of the actual sweat lodges. 32:40.555 --> 32:43.057 [SPEAKER_01]: They were super upset and they also 32:45.262 --> 32:59.193 [SPEAKER_01]: tried to also pursue legal action against James Arthur Ray, which I thought was pretty interesting, where they were like, it isn't Native American intellectual property protected by U.S. laws and the United Nations declaration of the rights of indigenous peoples. 32:59.873 --> 33:08.860 [SPEAKER_01]: The ceremony should only be conducted by sanctioned large members who are from legitimate nations and who have been thoroughly trained in both spiritual and physical safety protocols. 33:11.100 --> 33:22.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Where this took place in the Angel Valley, the owners of where this space had been rented by James Arthur Ray actually accepted Native American friends help to quote heal the land. 33:24.578 --> 33:45.698 [SPEAKER_01]: On November 12th shortly after the incident, the Oglala Lakota is filed a lawsuit against the U.S. government, Arizona, Ray, and the site owners to have Ray and the site owners arrested and punished under the sue treaty of 1868, which is between the U.S. and the Lakota nation, and it states that, 33:46.258 --> 34:04.745 [SPEAKER_01]: If bad men among the whites are other people's subject to the authority of the United States, she'll commit any wrong upon the person or the property of the Indians, the United States will proceed at once to cause the offender to be arrested and punished according to the laws of the United States and also reimburse the injured person for the law sustained. 34:06.277 --> 34:19.348 [SPEAKER_01]: But they say that what James Arthur Ray did, violated the peace between the United States and the Lakota nation, and caused a desecration of our sacred sweat lodge by causing the death of Liz Newman, Kirby Brown, and James Shore. 34:20.089 --> 34:29.877 [SPEAKER_01]: The lawsuit sought to have the treaty enforced without seeking monetary compensation, to, without seeking monetary compensation, which I think was really, 34:31.058 --> 34:34.820 [SPEAKER_01]: was incredible that they were also going in fighting for this. 34:34.940 --> 34:37.702 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just really enjoyed this part of the story. 34:38.462 --> 34:47.447 [SPEAKER_01]: The case was ended up being dismissed, but I did love that this group of people were also fighting for their ceremony and for the legitimacy of it. 34:49.268 --> 34:53.951 [SPEAKER_01]: July 2013, Ray was granted supervised release, and he left the state prison. 34:55.466 --> 35:01.492 [SPEAKER_01]: in 2014 he launched another self-help business and appeared on Pierce Morgan Live on CNN. 35:02.493 --> 35:06.658 [SPEAKER_01]: When he appeared on TV, his stipulation was that no other guest could participate. 35:07.659 --> 35:13.945 [SPEAKER_01]: What was interesting is Pierce Morgan's manager is now James Arthur Ray, his manager and media contact. 35:14.125 --> 35:14.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no shit. 35:15.726 --> 35:15.966 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:16.787 --> 35:27.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Kirby Brown's parents have created this pledge called Seek Safely, which encourages motivational speakers, self-help gurus, anyone in that field, to sign a pledge of integrity, to seek safely. 35:27.893 --> 35:30.254 [SPEAKER_01]: To if you're looking for answers, do so in a safe manner. 35:30.994 --> 35:32.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Ray declines to sign it. 35:33.676 --> 35:35.377 [SPEAKER_01]: James doesn't want to be saved from me. 35:35.457 --> 35:36.457 [SPEAKER_00]: So not from me. 35:37.838 --> 35:42.540 [SPEAKER_01]: He remains in the self-help industry and he frequently posts videos on social media 35:44.577 --> 35:47.019 [SPEAKER_01]: Burseba, that's her name. 35:47.199 --> 35:48.420 [SPEAKER_01]: I know no other information. 35:48.840 --> 35:51.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Burseba, they offer a bunch of advice. 35:51.442 --> 35:54.065 [SPEAKER_01]: They hosted a podcast called Modern Elkamy. 35:54.545 --> 36:02.411 [SPEAKER_01]: And they maintained a website where James Arthur Ray offered one on one video sessions for an hour and a half for $2,500. 36:04.073 --> 36:09.597 [SPEAKER_01]: CNN released a documentary in 2016 called Enlightenous, The Rise and Fall of James Arthur Ray. 36:11.012 --> 36:16.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Ray was interviewed, and when they asked how he could have caused the deaths, here's what he says. 36:17.637 --> 36:23.481 [SPEAKER_01]: It had to happen because it was the only way I could experience and learn and grow through the things that I've done. 36:24.002 --> 36:37.792 [SPEAKER_01]: You come out of a situation like this and you're either bitter and angry or you're more awake and grateful and I choose awake and grateful and I choose to see it as a test of character and a test of fire and I think I did okay. 36:40.672 --> 36:44.877 [SPEAKER_01]: This feels like someone who never learned the fucking lesson. 36:46.652 --> 36:50.774 [SPEAKER_01]: Earlier last year, January 3rd, 2005, Ray dies. 36:51.354 --> 36:52.695 [SPEAKER_01]: He was 67 years old. 36:53.295 --> 37:07.782 [SPEAKER_01]: There are people who are out to get fame and money and are using people's sense of who are using people's want to understand the world and feel better for their own monetary game. 37:07.922 --> 37:09.983 [SPEAKER_01]: And my God, please look out. 37:11.184 --> 37:14.005 [SPEAKER_01]: This man, it just feels so scary that he left prison 37:19.536 --> 37:19.636 [SPEAKER_00]: Ugh. 37:20.716 --> 37:24.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like, you're not gonna look at this record. 37:25.297 --> 37:27.358 [SPEAKER_01]: Three people, I mean, no, four people. 37:27.378 --> 37:35.759 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the woman who jumped to her death, I think they listen as a suicide, but like, again, he's saying he's caring for these people. 37:35.779 --> 37:38.960 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, where's my thing? 37:40.360 --> 37:40.840 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what? 37:40.940 --> 37:43.321 [SPEAKER_00]: This was a Patreon recommendation, I think. 37:43.581 --> 37:44.441 [SPEAKER_00]: DJ Oma. 37:44.581 --> 37:45.061 [SPEAKER_01]: DJ Oma? 37:45.081 --> 37:48.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, DJ Oma, which is not maybe they're really? 37:50.495 --> 37:54.076 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a cool name, but it is a cool name, too cool. 37:56.477 --> 38:05.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, headcount, coffee, and New York Times told me about the 1974 Palmyra Mystery. 38:06.860 --> 38:14.103 [SPEAKER_00]: This is an atoll in the middle of the Pacific, and very pretty lagoons, you know, palm trees and the like. 38:15.277 --> 38:32.775 [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those places that nobody lives on, totally, at least in 1974, desolate in the middle of the ocean, just like what a peaceful, beautiful place and a retired couple from San Diego, Mac Graham, and Eleanor Graham. 38:33.936 --> 38:37.617 [SPEAKER_00]: have this yacht that they name the sea wind and they're traveling all around. 38:38.237 --> 38:39.658 [SPEAKER_00]: They're very adventurous. 38:40.198 --> 38:47.220 [SPEAKER_00]: They want to go explore a bunch of islands and they're like, let's go check out fucking Palmyra. 38:47.460 --> 38:48.640 [SPEAKER_00]: It looks rad. 38:48.981 --> 38:53.082 [SPEAKER_00]: They're very excited and it's just going to be one of the stops. 38:53.122 --> 38:54.982 [SPEAKER_00]: They make on this big trip. 38:55.162 --> 38:58.183 [SPEAKER_00]: They're going all around the world in the sea wind and 39:05.575 --> 39:15.098 [SPEAKER_00]: they get some shit to load their boat with to get ready for this big trip because you go into an island, it's not got any restaurants or anything, so they're like packing. 39:16.844 --> 39:21.327 [SPEAKER_00]: They show up there and they find that there's another couple on the island. 39:21.427 --> 39:25.530 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's open for business in the sense that anyone can pull up their boat and go. 39:25.750 --> 39:26.631 [SPEAKER_00]: There's other couple. 39:26.751 --> 39:28.232 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the opposite day. 39:28.552 --> 39:32.415 [SPEAKER_00]: This is buck walker and Jennifer Jenkins. 39:32.915 --> 39:34.456 [SPEAKER_00]: They are not well supplied. 39:35.016 --> 39:40.560 [SPEAKER_00]: They have come with a broken down boat that looks like they built it themselves. 39:41.381 --> 39:43.082 [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't have a lot of supplies. 39:44.978 --> 39:53.064 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't know this at the time, but Buck Walker is also there for different reasons, not just to explore, but because he's wanted for drug charges in Hawaii. 39:53.885 --> 39:56.507 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he's kind of a volatile character. 39:57.087 --> 40:02.772 [SPEAKER_00]: And other people will come to the island and witness that there's some tension between these two couples. 40:03.432 --> 40:05.134 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not good friends. 40:05.794 --> 40:07.415 [SPEAKER_00]: and they're just like that. 40:07.835 --> 40:19.859 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like I said, the grams I've shown up with this very nice boat that has a bunch of food on it and Jennifer Jenkins real name is not Jennifer Jenkins. 40:19.979 --> 40:21.760 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Stephanie Stern's and 40:23.841 --> 40:27.062 [SPEAKER_00]: That's another story that I guess I'm not going to tell. 40:27.402 --> 40:31.303 [SPEAKER_00]: All you need to know is this couple go by a lot of different names. 40:32.163 --> 40:41.246 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie and Buck have been trying to grow things on the island, so they've been planting seeds, but then the sand crabs come and just eat the seeds. 40:41.486 --> 40:48.368 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like they're not able to garden their doing things like stealing birds eggs and eating them. 40:48.408 --> 40:50.969 [SPEAKER_00]: They just don't, they're not on top of it. 40:54.860 --> 41:05.328 [SPEAKER_00]: The last time we will hear any communication from the grams is on August 28th, talking to somebody back in Hawaii. 41:05.908 --> 41:15.676 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's a friend of theirs, Mr. Schumacher, who lives on Hawaii, and they're talking to him who will later say that he was aware that these two couples had a lot of tension. 41:15.956 --> 41:21.320 [SPEAKER_00]: But he talks to them and he's like, what's going on with this couple of fighting with 41:25.748 --> 41:26.168 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 41:26.208 --> 41:31.932 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they want to truce their bringing over a cake tonight like they're coming over to the boat and bringing a cake. 41:32.552 --> 41:33.053 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see. 41:33.073 --> 41:35.654 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess we're gonna see where that goes. 41:35.814 --> 41:38.076 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we don't hear from the grounds again. 41:39.477 --> 41:42.058 [SPEAKER_00]: So pretty freaky, but guess who we do hear from. 41:42.759 --> 41:44.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are fucking boat? 41:44.420 --> 41:50.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Because the sea wind comes back to Honolulu and I bet you can guess who's fucking aboard it. 41:52.501 --> 42:00.807 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, buck walker and Stephanie and they're like, wait a minute, that's not your boat. 42:01.288 --> 42:03.629 [SPEAKER_00]: People are like, buck, Stephanie, where'd you get this boat? 42:03.749 --> 42:08.653 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, I actually want it in a chess game with a very friendly millionaire. 42:08.913 --> 42:11.795 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, that sounds really crazy, buck. 42:12.436 --> 42:14.938 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, well, that's where I got the boat. 42:15.518 --> 42:21.683 [SPEAKER_00]: And then some of the people that are yacht people in Honolulu are like, I know that boat. 42:22.063 --> 42:29.830 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you've renamed it, you've repaint of it, but I know that boat because people that know boats, people know boats, they know boats. 42:29.890 --> 42:31.851 [SPEAKER_00]: Boatie McBoatface, they know boats. 42:32.412 --> 42:35.234 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, that looks wrong. 42:35.694 --> 42:42.280 [SPEAKER_00]: They start calling it in to be like, we think that our friends' boat has been stolen by this dodgy couple. 42:43.161 --> 42:48.165 [SPEAKER_00]: And sure enough, one night, when Walker's walking around the dock, 42:49.124 --> 42:57.080 [SPEAKER_00]: At a boat harbor, he sees Stephanie getting taken into custody and he beats it because that's what you do. 42:57.120 --> 42:58.423 [SPEAKER_00]: He's very chivalrous that way. 43:02.520 --> 43:04.601 [SPEAKER_00]: Buck Walker grew up in Oregon. 43:04.962 --> 43:11.846 [SPEAKER_00]: He was in and out of prisons in the 60s, and he moved to Hawaii in 1972, and that's when he met Stephanie, and they started going out. 43:12.666 --> 43:21.312 [SPEAKER_00]: And they, one time busted him, an undercover police officer busted him, selling amphedamines in a parking lot. 43:22.012 --> 43:24.716 [SPEAKER_00]: he pled guilty and they dropped all these other charges. 43:25.397 --> 43:36.892 [SPEAKER_00]: Then he had was out on bail and he would get fake documents to have a different identity and he became Roy Allen and then he moved to Maui with Stephanie and worked at a bar in La Hina. 43:37.870 --> 43:46.798 [SPEAKER_00]: He bought a like a broken down sailboat at that time and was like, let's make this our home. 43:47.098 --> 43:52.142 [SPEAKER_00]: They start rebuilding the sailboat as best they can, not necessarily knowing a bunch about sailboats. 43:52.783 --> 43:56.266 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets a passport as Roy Allen and he takes a picture. 43:56.366 --> 44:00.310 [SPEAKER_00]: The picture he gets for his passport, he's wearing a clerical collar. 44:02.073 --> 44:04.735 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like that's an interesting choice to make. 44:04.775 --> 44:21.587 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't think to make it, but I think it's pretty crafty that he does that They bring their boat to Honolulu and then on July 1st They went with their three dogs and very little food in this shitty little boat to Palmyra Island because 44:22.885 --> 44:26.206 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not right, Hallen, and he's not a priest. 44:26.566 --> 44:33.087 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're like, maybe we can make it somewhere else where we don't have a track record. 44:34.348 --> 44:35.308 [SPEAKER_00]: So they get convicted. 44:35.448 --> 44:37.068 [SPEAKER_00]: They have two separate trials. 44:37.328 --> 44:45.450 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Stephanie Stern's one trial, buck walker, another, for stealing the sea wind, and bringing it to Honolulu. 44:46.231 --> 44:48.851 [SPEAKER_00]: And so they're being asked in these trials like, what happened? 44:48.871 --> 44:50.792 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, we became really good friends 44:52.852 --> 45:01.699 [SPEAKER_00]: And they invited us to this farewell dinner on their boat on August 28th, but when we went there, the boat was just empty. 45:02.039 --> 45:10.125 [SPEAKER_00]: We look all over the island and we see that their dinghy has been inflated and is upside down, like overturned. 45:10.745 --> 45:13.927 [SPEAKER_00]: And no one's in it, isn't that freaky. 45:14.127 --> 45:16.269 [SPEAKER_00]: Cut a racy, and everyone's like, 45:16.702 --> 45:17.222 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 45:18.003 --> 45:18.823 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 45:19.224 --> 45:21.765 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, this, they have this really nice boat. 45:22.966 --> 45:29.350 [SPEAKER_00]: We did not want that boat to stay up all mirror islands and just turn into a home for these sand crabs that are eaten our seeds. 45:29.691 --> 45:30.851 [SPEAKER_00]: We were like, we'll do them. 45:31.172 --> 45:31.992 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they'll turn up. 45:32.332 --> 45:32.873 [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows? 45:33.233 --> 45:38.577 [SPEAKER_00]: what we can rescue is not them because we don't see them, but they're boat, they're boat we can rescue. 45:39.157 --> 45:41.879 [SPEAKER_00]: Why they renamed the boat and like painted it and stuff? 45:42.060 --> 45:42.540 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 45:42.960 --> 45:43.881 [SPEAKER_00]: I never follow them. 45:43.961 --> 45:52.687 [SPEAKER_00]: Go to the ball steep into the trial, but I will tell you, the sentence scene is not crazy for stealing about at least for Stephanie, which they give her two years. 45:52.707 --> 45:56.650 [SPEAKER_00]: They must have not liked the cut of Mr. Walker gym because they 46:00.633 --> 46:02.735 [SPEAKER_01]: James Arthur, we got two years. 46:02.755 --> 46:04.896 [SPEAKER_01]: They gave him a crazy kiss. 46:05.056 --> 46:08.158 [SPEAKER_00]: He had fled the drug charges in Hawaii. 46:08.198 --> 46:10.239 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was like they were like, you're back? 46:11.080 --> 46:11.740 [SPEAKER_00]: You're in trouble. 46:12.941 --> 46:21.087 [SPEAKER_00]: She served seven months in prison and did six and a half way house and he escaped prison after 42 months. 46:22.898 --> 46:23.458 [SPEAKER_00]: What? 46:24.098 --> 46:30.281 [SPEAKER_00]: So now it's, let's flash forward to 1981, the Grams disappeared seven years before. 46:31.121 --> 46:39.944 [SPEAKER_00]: And in January, a couple people from Africa are taking a break on one of their voyages in Palmyra, they're like, let's have lunch in Palmyra. 46:40.604 --> 46:50.547 [SPEAKER_00]: They see an aluminum box floating mixed in with some like, it's like caught in some coral and they grab it and they open it and there's a bunch of human bones 46:53.847 --> 46:54.727 [SPEAKER_00]: and jewelry. 46:54.847 --> 46:58.809 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, this, the way these bones are, it's like someone was just remembered. 46:59.009 --> 47:00.270 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very freaky. 47:01.150 --> 47:06.992 [SPEAKER_00]: They bring the bones to the authorities and the jaw bone, they're like, this is Eleanor's. 47:07.032 --> 47:08.413 [SPEAKER_00]: This is Eleanor Graham's jaw. 47:09.133 --> 47:12.034 [SPEAKER_00]: There's also a hole in the temple of her skull. 47:13.415 --> 47:18.877 [SPEAKER_00]: So they don't find any bones that they can tie to Mac Graham. 47:20.046 --> 47:25.712 [SPEAKER_00]: But they've now found Eleanor and let's start a murder trial because we do have a body. 47:26.793 --> 47:30.817 [SPEAKER_00]: They've recaptured, fucking, what's his name? 47:31.818 --> 47:33.400 [SPEAKER_00]: Walker, buck Walker. 47:35.360 --> 47:40.084 [SPEAKER_00]: And they've given him five years for his escape this guy. 47:41.024 --> 47:44.107 [SPEAKER_00]: And the prosecutors are like, it's very obvious what happened. 47:44.747 --> 47:52.273 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't, it's not going to be that interesting, but it's pretty clear that they saw this rich couple with this really nice boat. 47:52.953 --> 47:56.156 [SPEAKER_00]: And they wanted the boat, they wanted the food, they killed them. 47:56.456 --> 47:58.537 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like definitely clear. 48:00.258 --> 48:12.184 [SPEAKER_00]: In 1985, Buck gets convicted of Muff Graham and Eleanor Graham's murder and sentenced to life in prison, and he dies in prison in 2010. 48:13.125 --> 48:28.672 [SPEAKER_00]: Stephanie Sterns gets tried separately in San Francisco, and Buck just had like a public defender, but she gets Vince Bougliocie to represent her, and I don't know if that name will be familiar to you, but I'll tell you why it might be. 48:30.515 --> 48:32.417 [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't, he wasn't always in defense. 48:32.457 --> 48:37.481 [SPEAKER_00]: He used to be in prosecution, and he was the prosecutor in the man's in case. 48:38.942 --> 48:40.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is so wild. 48:40.983 --> 48:41.744 [SPEAKER_01]: That's wild. 48:42.244 --> 48:49.470 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, now I want to defend people, but only if I think they're innocent, and you're like, I think you might have picked the wrong case. 48:49.850 --> 48:55.434 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but his argument in the criminal attorney also be like, they're all in his like, isn't that just like, 48:56.215 --> 48:57.015 [SPEAKER_01]: mouth service. 48:57.635 --> 49:00.176 [SPEAKER_01]: I only pick case of innocent and they're like, wow, he's really credible. 49:00.196 --> 49:01.476 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess they must be innocent. 49:01.516 --> 49:04.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's like, he's already trying to testify in every trial. 49:04.337 --> 49:05.157 [SPEAKER_00]: He's represented. 49:05.177 --> 49:06.137 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm doing it. 49:06.237 --> 49:06.857 [SPEAKER_00]: So you know there. 49:06.877 --> 49:08.158 [SPEAKER_01]: They're actually innocent. 49:08.278 --> 49:10.178 [SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing about unique about me. 49:10.798 --> 49:12.059 [SPEAKER_01]: All my clients are innocent. 49:12.099 --> 49:13.439 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, Bligliocie does this. 49:13.479 --> 49:17.600 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like how they're like, you know, Stephanie didn't really do this. 49:18.400 --> 49:23.943 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea is basically bucked it, like bucked it, it's definitely didn't know, but you're like, she's with him every step of the way. 49:23.963 --> 49:25.003 [SPEAKER_00]: She's getting on this boat. 49:25.023 --> 49:26.424 [SPEAKER_00]: She's coming back. 49:26.444 --> 49:26.844 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 49:27.424 --> 49:32.727 [SPEAKER_00]: But he convinces the jury and they come back with a verdict of not guilty. 49:32.907 --> 49:35.408 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, it's bugleosy, not guilty. 49:36.468 --> 49:37.029 [SPEAKER_00]: Amazing. 49:38.269 --> 49:39.770 [SPEAKER_00]: And since then, 49:41.172 --> 49:54.437 [SPEAKER_00]: While Mira has a reputation of being an island, if it's a little like Lori around it now, where it's like this island will bring out in you, whatever, it will amplify in you, whatever's already there. 49:54.557 --> 49:58.479 [SPEAKER_00]: So beauty, violence, whatever's there gets amplified. 49:58.539 --> 50:03.201 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I don't know that the island holds magic, or if it's just like a very obvious story, of 50:05.809 --> 50:34.045 [SPEAKER_00]: good and evil and like this nice couple comes to the island in this evil couple murders them so they can have their fucking boat and doesn't even do it with a lot of grace because it feels like it would be really easy on an island to get rid of a body and I'm like why in the world did you put it in like a box that was maybe going to float and like be in I'm not trying to advocate murder but I am saying this is no real good 50:35.347 --> 50:40.353 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always really interesting when people do these like horrific things and the cover up You're like that. 50:40.954 --> 50:42.056 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you chose. 50:42.076 --> 50:49.666 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what talk about this for 10 more minutes before doing it That's all I'm using flow chart use a flow chart does would float. 50:50.187 --> 50:52.050 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, maybe don't use wood 50:53.920 --> 50:56.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Peep, that's what murderers and criminals are missing is a flow chart. 50:56.543 --> 50:57.304 [SPEAKER_01]: Is that healthy? 50:57.905 --> 51:01.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, well, well laid out flow chart. 51:01.429 --> 51:03.512 [SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if what I'll have to do. 51:03.532 --> 51:04.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Did I break the law? 51:04.313 --> 51:04.573 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 51:04.793 --> 51:05.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to get caught? 51:06.175 --> 51:07.317 [SPEAKER_01]: No, follow this. 51:11.082 --> 51:20.304 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a movie, 1991 movie, I didn't watch, but I'm dying to, it's called, and the C will tell. 51:21.224 --> 51:23.685 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like two couples, one wealthy and married. 51:23.945 --> 51:30.446 [SPEAKER_00]: The other, an ex-con, and his hippie girlfriend, sets sail for the remote, for this remote, South Pacific Island. 51:30.626 --> 51:34.667 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it does only get, let's see, I am DB, gave it. 51:34.907 --> 51:35.827 [SPEAKER_00]: Should we watch it tonight? 51:35.847 --> 51:36.608 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, eight. 51:37.548 --> 51:38.008 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in. 51:39.984 --> 51:43.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Vince Bluffy is relatively, that he was actually a relative. 51:43.485 --> 51:46.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Just so you know, the lawyer was one of the writers. 51:46.626 --> 51:47.926 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't seem great, right? 51:48.526 --> 51:51.987 [SPEAKER_01]: This is wild, wild. 51:52.267 --> 51:53.028 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not funny. 51:53.048 --> 51:55.208 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's in it. 51:55.688 --> 51:57.169 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what this is like. 51:57.429 --> 51:58.009 [SPEAKER_00]: What a film. 51:59.539 --> 52:00.119 [SPEAKER_01]: What a time. 52:00.580 --> 52:01.320 [SPEAKER_01]: Time of the time. 52:01.400 --> 52:02.481 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what a time it was. 52:03.021 --> 52:06.624 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm gonna see if I can hit up this gym class, but it's been real. 52:06.644 --> 52:07.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Hit up the gym class. 52:07.604 --> 52:12.767 [SPEAKER_00]: Take a look at my, take a look at my dress list and I'll see you at the later tonight. 52:13.408 --> 52:15.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm excited to see you in eat fish. 52:16.450 --> 52:16.770 [SPEAKER_00]: Me too. 52:18.311 --> 52:19.131 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye dear readers. 52:19.412 --> 52:19.792 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye. 52:24.875 --> 52:25.315 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye.