[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on guys, my name is Jessica Lane MacDonald and I want to welcome you guys to another episode of Initiated by God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen guys, today we are discussing one of the most fascinating and controversial topics in the church, the prophetic.
[SPEAKER_00]: In a world where prophetic words are literally going viral and personalities are becoming larger than the message itself, how do believers navigate prophetic ministry in a healthy and biblical way?
[SPEAKER_00]: More importantly, how do we ensure that our faith remains on God and not on people?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm super excited about our guest for today.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a man that is filled with so much wisdom.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a platform of thousands of prophets that he helps cultivate their prophetic gift.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bishop Demetrius Senegal, how are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't grate, don't grate, go out to be back with you, how are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Good, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for coming back on the platform.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blu, at any time, at any time, we'll make it happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, listen guys, so last time he was here, we had a different conversation, but I promised you guys that we were going to have him back only talking about the prophetic Rome.
[SPEAKER_00]: So today, I do want to just ask you, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: So before the titles, and before we were the bishop in the prophet, like what was your
[SPEAKER_01]: So honestly, there is no before the calling for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: My parents are pastors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started preaching in five.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been in ministry all of my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, the Lord began dealing with me very early as a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: I received the baptism of the Holy Ghost at five.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, there isn't a,
[SPEAKER_01]: before the call, my testimony, I was sharing the other day with the church is not that God had to snatch me out of stuff as much as God kept me from stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the whole of my life has been marked for the purposes of the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what it is to live outside of the call and the purpose of God for my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only time,
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you know, I never been in the club.
[SPEAKER_01]: One time I went to a club, I was going to another preacher's birthday party.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know it was going to be at the club.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had written it the upstairs of the, what is the 40, 40 club in New York and we're walking through.
[SPEAKER_00]: You all got me in a club, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got, but so yeah, I don't know what it is to live outside of that and I believe that.
[SPEAKER_01]: that is part and partial to why and how the Lord is able to use me again for some, he redeems and for some he keeps.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what it is that he's redeemed you from something, or it's that he's kept you from something he preserves us to the end of his intention for our lives.
[SPEAKER_00]: When did you first realize that God was speaking to you in a way that was different than your own
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, so God has more ways to speak than we have ways to hear.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so though often we think prophetic communication of communication with the divine, a solely through those sensory meanings how we hear, or how we see, or even our physiology.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the one of the deepest dimensions of God communicating with us is through our knowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where we know beyond what is known, what there is and a toolmen to the omniscient mind and the awareness of God that transcends our own sense of self and awareness.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I've always had just noings that wouldn't be on my own knowing, knowing stuff that I had.
[SPEAKER_01]: did not know.
[SPEAKER_01]: That not read, had not been taught, had not heard.
[SPEAKER_01]: That, of course, began to extend itself and expand itself outside of just person, person knowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And became revelation about people's lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember we were living my father's in the military.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were living in a rental, Illinois at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the station is in Air Force Base.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said to my mother,
[SPEAKER_01]: Both of my parents' families are from Lafayal, Louisiana.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, you know, we need to go back to go to Louisiana, the pop was what we called, my mother's father's going to die.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't say that, and that Friday got a car early that morning that he had, um, transition.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Lord is always, again, as early as I can remember, as early that was about five or six, can remember, uh, spoke speaking to me, and it was about five that the Lord called me into salvation.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were living again.
[SPEAKER_01]: In rental in North, my father was a pastor at the time too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get saved at church, we were at home, and I heard the voice of the Lord say to go up and tell my father I wanted to get saved, and the Lord began to reveal himself to me as a young.
[SPEAKER_00]: How old were you when you told your dad you were?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's five, six years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is happening around that same time of a week, any?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did that make you feel, do you remember?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember how it made me feel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've always just had a kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: obedience to the voice of God, you know, wherever God has said, and I guess because I've been cultivated in an environment, I don't know what it is to live outside of, you know, really trying to obey God.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a frame of reference for what it felt like.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I can tell you what obeying God, you know, feels like now, um, it is a life of extreme sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to do what God calls you to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the illusion is that you have a choice
[SPEAKER_01]: That's an illusion, the idea that you can tell God know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're either going to tell him, yes, kicking and screaming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to tell me yes?
[SPEAKER_01]: Will it make?
[SPEAKER_01]: But you are going to give me yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He will cause your donkey, Paul, to throw you off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the voice of the Lord, come there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to go well for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: You kick against the bricks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And where many people, some people that even call to some things in God, are feeling an experience of measures of resistance is that avoidance of giving God a yes, beyond functionally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a yes, I'll do these things, but really a yes of alignment, internally seeing yourself in and through the lens of God's mind, God's idea, God's plan, and God's heart for your life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bring that down a little bit further, though, because there are a lot of people who...
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they think that they're walking in the will of God, but they aren't truly, and so sometimes some people have a problem discerning as this God's voice, there is this in my voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand like the deeper knowing but how do you identify that differentiation and then break down even further the people who don't necessarily get there, yes, to God?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we won't begin knowing the voice of God by knowing it in a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: The knowing and the sense of clarity, the peace that comes in the north of God is an affect.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a result of time spent in the presence of the Lord, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Often like in your voice and the voice of God as twins, let's say there are identical twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you've got two identical twins.
[SPEAKER_01]: and you have people who have never spent intimate time with them and all they know is they're front facing side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well then those twins are going to confuse the average person who sees them, they look the same, maybe they've got some of the same mannerisms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well that's how God speaks through us.
[SPEAKER_01]: God speaks to us through us.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then that means your sense of self, your mind, your voice,
[SPEAKER_01]: and or the voice of someone who you see in that way is going to be the initial way that you hear the voice of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at 1 Samuel chapter 3, when God began to call Samuel, to the prophetic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Samuel's laying there, he's in Eli's house, Samuel is the byproduct of a promise his mother made to the Lord, a bow with mother made to the Lord, which is something else that prophetic parents need to be conscious of.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's much easier for your children to grow into the fullness of who they've been called to be if they're cultivated in that as a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to us waiting till you 1828, 3848, trying to now catch up and you've got
[SPEAKER_01]: that much history behind you of not being God conscious.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's been immersed in the things of God because his mother made about to the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Lord calls out to him, and the Bible says, that Samuel thinks he's hearing his, here's this term I know that some of the folks be about his spiritual father's voice, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He thinks Eli has called him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he gets up and goes to Eli and says, you called me Eli's out and call you, he goes back and lays down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Eli said, if it happens again, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tell me what the Lord says.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he gives him an instruction on how to relate to the voice of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so part and parcel to the development of the capacity to know the voice of God, which is separate from here in the voice of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because for some of you three said that Samuel knew not the voice of the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even though he heard it, he didn't know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was here very clearly, very accurately, but he did not know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Eli's role in the development of that sense of prophetic seritude was to train him in being able to discern the voice of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the things that contributes to some of the delay in people,
[SPEAKER_01]: Really matured and knowing the voice of God is everybody's trying to do that often isolation them in God by themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: God puts parts of himself in each of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So his body is put into others that is then a part of our own developmental journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Samuel is cultivated under Eli, he teaches him to discern the voice of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we mature in distinguishing between God's voice and our voice,
[SPEAKER_01]: at the base of that, my ability to know the voice of God is born of my intimate time in the presence of the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: I pray a lot and not just like shut up in prayer, the Bible says in men ought to always pray.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, Tain a prayerful disposition because prayer is the legal passage way for the mind of God to be revealed and then birth in and through of the people of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's deep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, so I want to back up just a little bit because that sacrifice that you talk about where you said that it's taking great sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are some of those sacrifices?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because as you mentioned, people who can turn their life away from God and not necessarily devote.
[SPEAKER_00]: and give God there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're going to eventually say yes to God because they're going to, like you said, as spring is resistance in their life, but then oftentimes too, when we are walking solely in the will of God, attacks come left and right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those sacrifices are great on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, so can you explain some of the sacrifices you've had to endure?
[SPEAKER_01]: First thing to consider about yield into the call of God is that the yield is not the end of the warfare, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is just access to supernatural resources for the warfare.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to have warfare regardless.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell them yes, don't tell them yes, it's going to be warfare, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We are caught up into a cosmic conflict that hell endeavors to unleash against the kingdom of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as citizens of the kingdom of God,
[SPEAKER_01]: you're coming into a battle, you're going to have nothing to do with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a part of the kingdom that you have aligned yourself with.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so that warfare is going to be there, but when I give God a yes, remember Paul, after doing ministry in vain, Paul was not a heathen,
[SPEAKER_01]: before conversion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul was a Pharisee of Pharisees.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a religious leader.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Lord encounters him, the Bible says that he's doing ministry, and then he goes to seek the Lord, because he's got this suffering happening, got a thorn in his eye.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very scholars argue about whatever the thorn was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Many argued that thorn was the mouth of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: who were making it difficult for him to accomplish what he had been sent and called an assigned to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the most difficult things and the constant test that every prophetic person is going to have to take and continue to pass is can you obey God, separate an apart from a crowd of a farmers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you obey the Lord, separate an apart from other folk co-signing you and a bunch of people co-signing you in your obedience to the Lord?
[SPEAKER_01]: So he seeks to the Lord for the Lord to deliver him in the Bible says the Lord says to him, my grace is sufficient.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Grace then is a supernatural technology to be able to be under the pressure of your warfare and to be unbroken by it, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, we are, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, we are troubled on every side, but not in despair.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I give God a yes, I now gain access to a supernatural ability that allows me to be in a contradictory reality.
[SPEAKER_01]: still in the state of rest, still in the state of contentment, still at a state of peace.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we see with Jesus, it's on the boat with the disciples, all hell is breaking loose.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a storm.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't you know, we die and I was happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's often where people who are beginning to awaken to their call finds themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, God, don't you see, we die and I, you know, all this stuff is breaking out and he's resting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the state and space that, um, a yes, a full yes brings us to.
[SPEAKER_01]: where the warfare and the suffering is not that it ceases.
[SPEAKER_01]: It puts me in a protected state from the final influence of that warfare.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there are some people who there, yes, may not be until eternity, but every knee will bow, every tongue will confess.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if we give them a yes in this side and on this side, well now we have access to supernatural rewards for being used in God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there ever a time and listening to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you're going to say no, but was there?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as we go through our journey and life as people, we evolve, we change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there ever a time where you felt like you wanted to walk away from the prophetic room or from the prophetic world?
[SPEAKER_01]: not a time, but necessarily want to walk it from the prophetic realm, but some of these prophetic so-called folks and some of these leaders, some of the institutionalization,
[SPEAKER_00]: of the prophetic order, perhaps that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was consecrated as a bishop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess now 14 years I celebrated in March of February of this year, 14 years as a bishop.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I was proud of being consecrated, I was a brand and I was a prophet, a synagogue, a prophet, a synagogue.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got in so sick of being associated with the prophetic culture and with
[SPEAKER_01]: the misrepresentation of prophetic ministry and the prophetic call, that's like, okay, I don't identify me among those people, because it had become a tool in the weapon against the very people that we have been called to speak to and to minister for.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is the same thing that Jesus finds himself dealing with.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus is conflict with the Pharisees.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was not a conflict with Heans.
[SPEAKER_01]: His conflict with with was with religious leaders.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have, I don't know, I both had a natural example.
[SPEAKER_01]: My father is the king of don't quit.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just don't quit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing, whatever we set out to do, we don't quit until God gives a different instruction.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my walk away was not in that, and I guess because I'm very clear, where are you walking away too?
[SPEAKER_01]: Adam in the garden, what's next, where you go, where can you go outside of the will and the mind of God, after Adam and Eve ate at the fruit of the tree, the Bible said they went out from the presence of the Lord, and then the Lord comes and asks question, Adam, where are you going?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because whoever you're trying to become outside of the will of God is not even you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but it is a reality though of some people who do run,
[SPEAKER_01]: out of various reasons, intimidation, especially if it's new, you know, you've not had language for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: dimension or those dimensions within the prophetic realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it can be which is why again the community piece is so important because we borrow faith from other folks and we can see other people standing fully in who and what God is called and to be in the face of the suffering and the warfare it increases our own confidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our coming into trying to understand God they have not experienced God for themselves in their life like you said some people are brought up
[SPEAKER_00]: have not, they've been brought up in the world, wrotely children to where, now they think they know God, they hear God, they know God is real, because they wake up every morning, but they're having these encounters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, God's call in on a person's life predates the encounter with God.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so God, as eternal, sits outside of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: is the alpha.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't have an alpha.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is the alpha.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is the omega holds all time within his hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then whoever person is destined to be Romans chapter number eight talks about those he did for no, he predestined to be conformed into the image of his bedroom son.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even before person knows God,
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever they are called to be in God is who they are called to be in God because that call exists in eternity not in time time Just becomes the womb that that call gets walked out in and so the person who God has predestined to be conformed with Then we've got to look at what was the image of his son in the earth Jesus
[SPEAKER_01]: was a supernatural human being.
[SPEAKER_01]: So human being that is endowed with supernatural giftings, supernatural ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so one of the markers then that God is endeavoring to bring a person back to the eternal plan for their life is he will begin to reveal himself to them through them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll begin to have dreams, begin to have visions, begin to have
[SPEAKER_01]: Sincings and noings that for every light there is a dark though, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's one spirit realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's not two.
[SPEAKER_01]: So both the power of light and the power of dark find their genesis in the same spirit realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when Satan failed, that was said when Lucifer failed, they're like lightning.
[SPEAKER_01]: He took a third of the stars of the heaven.
[SPEAKER_01]: The worst star is means angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Takes a third of the angels of the heavens with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: which means for every dimension of the heavens and every ability given to the angels for those dimensions of the heavens, there are dark and demonic powers and ability as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when a person does not have a world for God, but has a wiring for spiritual gifting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now there becomes a war over there that now the powers of darkness are going to begin to attempt to co-out that wiring to use it for its ends and for its purposes, which is why when that awakening begins to happen,
[SPEAKER_01]: a believer.
[SPEAKER_01]: The seed of eternity, please he asked you chapter three, says that God has placed eternity in their hearts.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word eternity means, uh, that's the Hebrew word, Olim.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's placed the world on the heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: So eternity begins to unfold.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the person who's having these awakenings,
[SPEAKER_01]: having these calls, having these experiences, well that's the invitation of the Spirit of God to come into the classroom of the Holy Spirit, but they must be aware that the power of darkness are also going to be sending invitations to its classroom, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We get off into psychic pursuits.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get off into terror and get off into horoscopes, the things that begin to open up,
[SPEAKER_01]: the portal of the spirit realm, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's given legal authority to the powers of darkness that traffic in that realm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Break that down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, one spirit realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the book of Job says that it came a day that the sons of God is an angel's present himself before the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Satan came also.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Satan and the powers of darkness did not lose access
[SPEAKER_01]: to the spirit realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Satan lost his estate, not his rank, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So rank is what gives us the ability to come and to go, the ability to effectuate things, to demonstrate power, to give commands.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we are looking at again,
[SPEAKER_01]: the wiring of prophetic people and not just prophetic people.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this baseline prophetic miss, which any person within the type of connection to the diaspora, black and brown people have at our very base core, a measure of
[SPEAKER_01]: propheticness because we have had to so-jurn through realities that required us to go into rooms who are not invited into, so it had to be able to read the room, required us to be able to transcend through a Jim Crow and through redlining and through a variety of experiences that we had to be able to read spaces, read people in order to survive those spaces.
[SPEAKER_01]: So,
[SPEAKER_01]: Epigenetically, I were brain in our bones begin to realign with that perceptive ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: So people go into spaces and you feel and sense and know, right, something's all for.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's base level prophetic myths.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to be going to deal with the call.
[SPEAKER_01]: into prophetic functioning.
[SPEAKER_01]: God wires us specifically for our prophetic call.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because of that wiring again, the spirit realm is going to awaken that wiring.
[SPEAKER_01]: Powers of darkness are going to look to use that wiring.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you have a person who's having a dream, having a vision, or having a knowing,
[SPEAKER_01]: and now begins to take that dream, that vision, that knowing, that ability over to a table to have a palm red over to a space to access the prophetic realm, but to access it illegally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think people tap into those spaces?
[SPEAKER_01]: because there's a desire to know and because we've been wired.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm saying, like, if you think that they're so against God, to tap into these spaces, because obviously, like when we pray, I think that everybody has a baseline of, we know that something, even people who are atheists, they know they did not wake themselves up in the morning, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Several things turn people against God.
[SPEAKER_01]: People who misrepresent God,
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I.E.
[SPEAKER_01]: sitting on this platform, you've got hundreds of thousands and millions of people who watch this platform, many of them claiming to be Christians, many of them claiming to know God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't like something you say or do on this platform, them Christians are going to get into them comments and drag you like your life is not worth living.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you cease to be a human, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just a figure on the screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But those are people who claim to represent God.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then when people who have these authentic experiences with God, but say I got to be amongst them,
[SPEAKER_01]: To do that, well, I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's his people, then I don't want him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that, there is, first Corinthians says that the God of this world blinds people from being able to see or to know God.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a spiritual component to it where the devil who is the God of this world, legally,
[SPEAKER_01]: God gave him over to the earth and the man humanity transferred to me and to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: God gave the earth to man Genesis 1 2627 for dominion purposes when Adam and Eve ate at the food of the tree They entered into a seven-day lease on the earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: So though the earth is given to man by God Man has entered into a sublice with the God of this world the devil.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he blinds people from being able to receive and then when people have
[SPEAKER_01]: experiences that seem to negate the existence of a good God.
[SPEAKER_01]: How could a good God allow x, y, z?
[SPEAKER_01]: How could a good God permitted?
[SPEAKER_01]: It brings them into the throes of that questioning and or accepting of the reality of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you mentioned ranking, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to kind of go into your ranking, because people call you the master profit.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the distinguishing between master profit and profit?
[SPEAKER_01]: So the work master is an adjective here that describes what kind of a prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So master, the word de descalals simply means teacher.
[SPEAKER_01]: In 1 Kings, chapter number two, when Elijah was getting ready to transition.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Bible said, the sons of the prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's that term, sons, again, for the focal length of the spiritual father, sons.
[SPEAKER_01]: The sons of the prophet go to a lie, shut and say, don't you know your master is going to be taken from you today.
[SPEAKER_01]: James chapter number three says, be not many masters for yours as the greater condemnation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the word master simply means a teacher.
[SPEAKER_01]: So master prophet is a teaching prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: with in their prophetic call, and with in what God is called and to be, I can't make anybody anything God has not made you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can just teach a person to be what God has made them to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Often there's this illusion that if God has called you to it, then God teaches you in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well that's just not the pattern we see in Scripture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again God called Samuel, but he's taught under Eli.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul has an encounter with the Lord Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what's the first instruction?
[SPEAKER_01]: He meets Jesus face to face in the first instruction that Jesus who's there talking to him post-resurrection says to Paul, is go see a man and he's going to tell you what you must do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul then, the Bible says for three years, goes down to Asia Minor, where he's in the school of the Spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then in Acts 13, he goes and sits in the church at Antioch, where he's been taught and he's been trained before he is aposality deployed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my assignment when people say I'm a master prophet, I've got a company of prophets and prophetic people and a prophetic community.
[SPEAKER_01]: call profits arise almost now 7,000 profits and prophetic folks on six continents, 43 countries, 40 plus US states that we're training and developing to awaken to their call.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we live in a world where prophetic words can go viral overnight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that social media has helped the prophetic or harmed it?
[SPEAKER_01]: the greatest tools of expanding the gospel and expanding the influence of the gospel and the relationship of the gospel to the prophetic.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Bible said in the book of Revelation that the testimony of Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the whole purpose of the prophetic ministry is to reveal Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it has helped in that it gives us the ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: to reveal the name of Jesus at a scale that just foot-to-foot person to person, we may not have the ability and the capacity to do when Jesus said in Matthew 28, go ye therefore into all of the world, making disciples of all men.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that expansive discipleship mandate, social media helps.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then on the other end, because we've had so many unprocessed prophetic people.
[SPEAKER_01]: who take on a title, identify themselves as something that they are not ready to live up to the standard of, there's been misrepresentation of the prophetic.
[SPEAKER_01]: there's been manipulation of the prophetic that then has created distortion about the prophetic and what we expect of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been a help and it's been a hurt and one of the things that then God's prophets must do is then use this medium of social media to counteract the misrepresentation of the prophetic call and prophetic ministry that people are seeing so that we don't contain
[SPEAKER_00]: at what point this prophetic ministry become entertainment, I opposed to ministry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, at what point does it become that?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always a dynamic aspect to prophetic ministry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the the ruler nameeth who has, uh, leprosy, here's it as a prophet in town.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he sends a servant to the prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Bible said that they come to see the prophet and the prophet says all right, I want you to go, go dip in the Jordan, dip seven times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there was like, well, I don't want to be a part of this production.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't come fall at that, you know, I came to be healed and I don't want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And his servant says, hey, the worst thing that can happen is you go back with the same leprosy you already came with.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a dynamic aspect to it where there are phenomenal and phenomenons that break out in prophetic ministry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the Lord has told me to do some extreme stuff, but it becomes entertainment
[SPEAKER_01]: is more concerned about proving to the people that they are in the profit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we see profits with, I don't miss, and you see profits just going out to prove who they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: At that point, your ego becomes your primary manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: Managing your gift, hey, put it on display here, put it on display in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it becomes a entertainment when it is more focused on proving to the people as opposed to revealing the heart of my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the greatest danger that a prophet has after they become well known?
[SPEAKER_01]: Eagle, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: The call of a prophet of God, a prophet as an ambassador,
[SPEAKER_01]: of a government, the kingdom is God's government, profit is an ambassador of that government.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once people begin to know you and to identify you with that grace and what they call, it's easy to forget that it's not you that they are on.
[SPEAKER_01]: that it is what you carry, that is the trust of the Lord towards now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So ego is one, performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Under lot of my branding,
[SPEAKER_01]: where my name is, it says, God's prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: People who read that and think that I'm saying, I'm the only prophet, not all their thousands of others.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm making it clear that I am not the people's prophet, that their word is not what gets put into my mouth, that what they think and what they want and what they feel should happen, how they think it's to manifest, is not what governs me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the greatest threats to the prophet that God begins to give influence to is you being guided,
[SPEAKER_01]: by the popular vote, what people think, what people have to say, because in social media, everybody has a microphone.
[SPEAKER_01]: The comment section becomes a platform for folks to share.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so one of the greatest tests is can God trust you with voice and visibility, and you remain committed to making him known.
[SPEAKER_01]: The goal always has to be to know him and to make him known.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Has there ever been a time where your gift thing was ahead of your character?
[SPEAKER_00]: Since you were, you know, since you were anointed and had a calling from such a young age was there ever a time where it was ahead of your character?
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are timers ahead of my maturity level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I was in wax on North Carolina's little small area and again I'm starting to move a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eagle is raging so I come into this place and this church was in transition and so there was factions raising up in the church.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to show y'all I'm the prophet of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: and y'all gonna get up off me, you gonna get in order.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going in, and I begin to minister, we're gonna prophesy, and I'm seeing there's two couples in this church and two of the persons in the couples, right, the wife and one husband and the other, are having an adulterous affair.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I gotta make these people to know, I'm the prophet of God, don't play with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, you been in X, Y, and Z, with somebody that's not sure of us, so you know I haven't know I haven't, and because the husband is there too, and I said yes you have and I said it's with that one over there, and I said in your wallet is a key to the hotel, so his wife is like pull you out of the wallet.
[SPEAKER_01]: The key to the hotel is in the wallet.
[SPEAKER_01]: What my ego
[SPEAKER_01]: got stroked.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, of course, I called.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's amazing disruption now in this church.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, for me, it was my gift was ahead of my maturity level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see more than I had the maturity to manage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything you see is not to be said.
[SPEAKER_01]: And where you see it is not necessarily where you say
[SPEAKER_01]: Where you see it is not where you say it, and so there were times, yeah, that my, the gift was ahead of my level of maturity.
[SPEAKER_01]: The gift is always for redemptive purposes.
[SPEAKER_00]: How else do you think that you should have handled that situation to say it on the side or not say it at all?
[SPEAKER_01]: In that particular situation,
[SPEAKER_01]: I had not received an instruction of the Lord to speak to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, see the gift gives you the capacity to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can assume that because I know it, I'm supposed to say it, well, not only so, there's some calls that is a call to intercession.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's some call that is a call to intervention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, perhaps the sound of the Lord wouldn't have been for me to have, I would have needed to deal with that separately, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps that would have been the sound of the Lord, but I had not received an instruction one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I broke spiritual protocol.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no day in question, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was no more problems there, so that becomes a danger, that the ego needs to be believed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the gift was ahead of character in terms of maturation and ego development.
[SPEAKER_01]: The prophet who's going to be a prophet of God has to be at the place where I don't need to be believed.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are prophetic words in the Scriptures.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are two and 4,000 years removed from some of those writings that have still not come to pass yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those prophets died not seeing the manifestation of that word and of that instruction.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we've got to get to the place that's the goal where you got to believe me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a male man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Take that up with the person who sent the letter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just drop it off.
[SPEAKER_00]: have the illusion, now you're going to know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But has there ever been a time where you received a prophetic word and you were scared to tell someone?
[SPEAKER_01]: Scared.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's certainly there have been times, especially earlier in my prophetic call and prophetic development, as it was with Jeremiah, where Jeremiah's like, he's talking about going to either believe me,
[SPEAKER_01]: So there have been those times and then God has to develop this so I've got to develop it in profits and prophetic people I'll certainly have a boldness where you go from that Timidity or intimidation to the other end of our own care, you know, you want to take it or not
[SPEAKER_01]: And you got to find your way to that middle.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's certainly been time, especially we're dealing with, you know, I've had the opportunity to prophesied to governmental officials and had the opportunity to prophesied to men and women of power that are in seats of influence, and early on in development sure that could be unnerving that you have an assignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: To a person, yeah, that may sit in a space that you don't sit in, which is why part of the primary developmental classes for prophetic people is to garrison the ego and to garrison the fear mechanism.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be more afraid of disobeying God than you are not being received by who he sent you to.
[SPEAKER_01]: who would you rather stand before?
[SPEAKER_01]: A God that you have displeased or a person that you have displeased, a mortal that you have displeased.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the more the prophet of the prophetic person begins to develop,
[SPEAKER_01]: that God consciousness that I am on assignment from the Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then we begin to be developed because one of the things I don't want to do is make full thing because you have, you know, it's give you just go run off and go do whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You begin to be developed so that then you can do what God is in and call you to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what was the time where you were a nerve to tell somebody something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Unnerved to tell someone, well, there was a political leader that was looking as though they were going to be re-elected into something the Lord told me because of some things that they had going on if they did not do a particular thing, they were going to lose their seat and we're not going to be be re-elected.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did not receive it, did not want to receive it, tried to minimize it, but they were not re-elected and after they lost the re-election bid.
[SPEAKER_01]: The stuff that was beneath the surface that the Lord told many of you to deal with became news media for them So it's always you know those types of words of confrontation To people whose ego has been built around the deception or the secrecy then now you've got to speak to it and Yeah, yeah, then I read it to receive it
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So scripture warns believers about false prophets.
[SPEAKER_00]: What are some of those warning signs that you think that people in today's world need to take you to and be aware of?
[SPEAKER_01]: Three types of classifications of prophets.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are, and I'm doing this on the camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the number three, because I know y'all be thinking everything is a symbol of Illuminati.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the number three, one, two, three, three times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you listen, I have heard it all at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I tell you, there was somebody that was, listen, I'm not even going to say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say he did that, he thrown up side.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are false prophets, true prophets, and then there are not prophets.
[SPEAKER_01]: A person who prophesies, it doesn't come to pass because it's not a prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: A false prophet is a vessel who does have spiritual authority, spiritual gifting.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are able to traffic in the dimension of the supernatural and are able to effectuate supernatural outcomes.
[SPEAKER_01]: What makes a prophet false is the spirit that is driving them number one and the ends that their objective is assigned to.
[SPEAKER_01]: in sheep's clothing but inwardly are as ravening wolves.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, here's how you show no them by the fruit that they bear.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you are deciding profits in prophetic ministry that you're following, you need to be looking at the fruit of that person's life and listening to the fruit of the trees that have come up in their life, constantly plagued in scandal.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got five children with five different people at the same time, none of them your wife.
[SPEAKER_01]: You are found to be using the gift to exploit and to manipulate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, those are markers of a deviated spirit that at best may have been called, but have
[SPEAKER_01]: redirected the call of God for their own ends and their own means.
[SPEAKER_01]: A false prophet is using the gifts of God to turn people away from God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how do I do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: If I have an accurate gift, but an inaccurate life, my hypocrisy becomes a deterrent from people coming closer to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: have there, has there ever been a time where you yourself, God gave you a revelation about something and then later on it ended up being not accurate.
[SPEAKER_01]: not that I can recall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure at some point in mind, I'm prophetic development that that may have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: There have been times where I may give someone a word.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they say in the moment that it's not accurate or that it's off.
[SPEAKER_01]: But time tells a different story.
[SPEAKER_01]: They in the moment may be like, no, again, if we go back to wax all, when I initially said to this lady, you and excellent, it's just like, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I've had that 97, those types of dynamics where people, I don't know nothing you talking about, put it on the shelf, time will tell, and of course in that moment time, told a few seconds later, time will tell, so I'm sure that I've been,
[SPEAKER_01]: pedagogically, right, language and an understanding of the language of the prophetic house God talking to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's possible to misinterpret what you see.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you see one thing, you think it means one thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's possible to misinterpret it, to misunderstand it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see this particular symbol in a dream, or you see this person's face in a dream, and it's really not that person, they're representing something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's possible to misinterpret it, and I'm sure at some point there's a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's happened once when a profit gives someone to a worker publicly, and it doesn't come to pass?
[SPEAKER_01]: Give an example of a word because again it could be something like that if something let's let's say it's time constrained the Lord said in three days, you know, somebody coming to pay off your house.
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, those are the ones I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the all social media running wild.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if you don't sell a seed today, then this is just like, yeah, so what we're dealing with that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody is saying, hey, the Lord said, in this period of time, this is going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you should let them know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should let them know.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: Profit.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, a woman of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that person is not a prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what the problem is, with the church, we think we define a prophet solely about the word of knowledge.
[SPEAKER_01]: So several different prophetic gifts.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word of knowledge is what we most often identify as a proof of a person's propheticness.
[SPEAKER_01]: The word of knowledge reveals knowledge that that person doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a particular situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: a person's name, a particular conversation, a history experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus me step woman at the women says, hey, you've had this many men, and the one you got now don't belong to you, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: We need to say that's a proper, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the word of knowledge, that is an operation.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't determine whether or not someone is a prophet solely by the operation of the word of knowledge.
[SPEAKER_01]: because though the word of knowledge is one of the ministry gifts that is given to a prophet, the word of knowledge is not the sole domain of a prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So somebody can have a word of knowledge and not be a prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we got to stop automatically assuming that because somebody has an accurate word of knowledge that they are a prophet of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what we're seeing that stuff where 10 people is going to be made a million there by Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we got to track that.
[SPEAKER_01]: First Corinthians chapter number 14.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's about the profits profit side two or three and let the others judge.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what we have this constant, 10 people by this Friday is going to be a millionaire.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: By this Friday, we need to see 10 and if not, come on back.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to judge this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you said the Lord said by this Friday, 10 people is going to be a millionaire that gave $10,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: what a millionaire is at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the church begins to hold those types of voices accountable, just uplaying in God's house.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just uplaying but as long as we keep on and as be social media that does it continue to support and push it, they're going to continue doing what they're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are people that are watching this who have been hurt, really, by false prophets, and people who are not actual prophets, people who have just been manipulated and controlled, but under the word of prophecy, what would you say to those people?
[SPEAKER_01]: Several things, number one, that I apologize for the misrepresentation,
[SPEAKER_01]: of the prophetic call, the prophetic gift, but despise not prophesying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't allow misuse to make your abandonous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because often what happens in the devil doesn't play for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The devil doesn't care why you come to the ends that you come to.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just wants to get you there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The scripture tells us not to despise prophesying.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those of you who have had that experience, the God of the universe still speaks, don't throw away prophetic ministry, don't despise prophesying, and don't throw away all prophets.
[SPEAKER_01]: That for every light, there's a dark, but we don't negate light because of dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: For every true, there's a false, but we don't negate true because of false.
[SPEAKER_01]: Allow the Lord to become the light that guides you to agents that He has in the earth that's be on His behalf.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the responsibility that Prophets have towards people that trust Him?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Several things.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first responsibility is to ensure
[SPEAKER_01]: that you don't replace God with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is when you give me trust my responsibility is to ensure that I redirect you to Christ, that you see me as a representative and not as a replacement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it is easy to traffic and idolatry where we deal with highly gifted supernatural powers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see this in the scriptures, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not something new.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the apostles
[SPEAKER_01]: came up to a group of men, they go to bow down before me saying, I don't know what you're doing, stand up and we are men as you are.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first responsibility is to not allow the people to replace God with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: The second of responsibility is to ensure that you don't allow your gift to become a tool of manipulation, an exploitation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's a prophet.
[SPEAKER_01]: A prophet has needs,
[SPEAKER_01]: Profit has a variety of needs, natural needs, physical needs, financial needs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of the scandals that we see with and on prophetic ministries is because some profit has tried to use the gift to feed their need.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the profit germaya.
[SPEAKER_01]: and is equal, warn the people of God about shepherds who feed themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: off of the sheep that are in the flock.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the prophets, second responsibilities, ensure don't allow your knee to use your gift to manipulate God's people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, that's not to say that the people of God don't have responsibility to take care for Prophet of God, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's the other side of the conversation that folk often immediately demonize.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a biblical pattern that the people
[SPEAKER_01]: were assigned to take care of the voices that God sent into the life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Galatians 6 and 6, the one who's taught in the Word, should contribute to their teacher, providing for the material support.
[SPEAKER_01]: Philippians chapter number 4, everybody quotes verse 19, my God, shall supply all your needs, according to Jerusalem's glory.
[SPEAKER_01]: What preceded that was Paul wrote to this church and said, you all sent to me for my necessity.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've received a few path-for-dieties to get so we don't want to demonize the responsibility to take care of a man of God or a woman of God but we need to be careful not to use the gift to exploit the people of God and finally the proper responsibility is again to use the gift to lead people into God's eternal purpose for their life so that you are not permanently dependent on me in the same way.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that I am growing you into the fullness of who God is called you to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what the gifts are given for the edification of the body of Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to mature you into a full measure in Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know the answer today is, but for viewers who may have some a little bit of confusion, what are the dangers by putting too much faith in a prophet, opposed to their own individual relationship with Christ and God?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, all human beings are flawed.
[SPEAKER_01]: and where we place a person too high on the pedestal, then when that frailty begins to show, it can create a crisis in your faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is important that we see a man or woman of God as a platform for the glory of God and not as the glory of God.
[SPEAKER_01]: The man or woman of God is a platform that the glory gets seen through, that the excellence of His glory is revealed through, but don't confuse the man or woman of God for the glory of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think some believers chase more of a prophetic word than their own individual intimacy?
[SPEAKER_01]: because we look for externalized validation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're saying it, then it must be true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't trust my own inner witness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody else is saying it, that knows God.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I trust that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But secondly, we're human beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: And humans want that sense of security with coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: are that comes through knowing that God is speaking it to and through someone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so as opposed to painting them as a binary either your own intimacy with God or a voice of confirmation, those two need to work in tandem, right, together, where Paul has a personal experience with the Lord, and then the Lord says, go, see a man, let him tell and confirm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so both of those things have to work together and work in tandem.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to have to spend that time.
[SPEAKER_01]: You go and spend your time building intimacy with the Lord so that you can get clear on the voice of God so that I don't have to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a bar of your clarity in what he has to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to, I want you to just go back a little bit because as you're talking, I'm in my own mind having this revelation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think that?
[SPEAKER_00]: some people don't trust themselves to that point and the reason I say I just had this revelation is a little off topic I'm gonna get back on but I had this conversation with one of my students in my training community because you know I look at the market I analyze it all the time and
[SPEAKER_00]: what I think is extremely important for people when they're navigating the market is to learn this skillset for themselves, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you should not be depending on signals or somebody else to give you a trade or something's going you should be able to trust your inner knowingness to know that it's going here but it's just remarkable that you just said that because I directly correlated to into some of my students because they will analyze a
[SPEAKER_00]: and not get in the position because of that lack of, but when I confirm it, then they get in the trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, a couple of things even for that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: God gives gifts, Romans chapter number 12, that differ according to grace, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So then that means two people could have the same gift.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say we're dealing with trading,
[SPEAKER_01]: but the gift differs because it's a different measure of grace, which means you will have, if I have a greater grace, I'll have a higher ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: to both perceive and to know, to bring forward a pattern that somebody else may not even see.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a natural ability.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we've got to see if we're dealing with propheticness then.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to see the prophetic is not a natural ability and there are different degrees of grace.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the trust then to the question,
[SPEAKER_01]: that a person may have is they may not have the same measure of insight, clarity, and knowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But where there has to be why can't some people trust themselves, there has to be a baseline of trust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people don't trust themselves because they have a pattern of missing in life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Made a decision didn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: full of the trade it didn't work.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that begins to develop self-distrust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Until we begin to see ourselves from eternity past, so that we don't measure ourselves from one missed moment, whether it's in trading or it's in life or whether it's in ministry, so that we can miss something and still maintain trust for the capacity to catch something.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll continue to undermine that trust factor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, back on topic now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's still in the topic.
[SPEAKER_01]: That again, it is the gift difference according to grace.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you were asking about why people.
[SPEAKER_01]: right may have more trust in an external.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, God puts different measures of gifts and grace on certain people in the same way that a teacher of the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a greater grace to be able to language to explain to breakdown.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there will be a different degree of trust that is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those two should be seen as mutual exclusive.
[SPEAKER_01]: what you get from me or from a person should then provoke you now like the barriance to go in and explore God or the word for yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me ask you, so I want to kind of hold in or you now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you ever get lonely being a prophet?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that God is always with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that we can never fully be lonely because God is always with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do you ever... Well, you can't, because here's the loneliness is the heart's response to the absence of relationships that you desire.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, you know, he's mother to the most, all of those things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you're human being, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're wired for social connection.
[SPEAKER_01]: So certainly, my ministry mandate keeps me very busy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so where the personal life and personal relationships are concerned.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I told the Lord, you know, they're all right now, I got to get married here, you know, all right, so certainly the human side, you know, Mrs. some of those types of relationships, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You might have asked you personally because I'm pretty sure there are so many women in your church and, you know, that are around you and that, that, that would think you are great candidate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what are you looking for, which is how the people are to my church.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have never ever, I've been pastoring now for, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: But 20, come on, 21 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never in life romantically entertained anybody that I have passed her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I won't necessarily say it's right around those wrong ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are playing games and exploiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I don't ever want my spiritual authority to be used in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's a trust that is given there.
[SPEAKER_01]: My life comes with a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the reason I asked is because you're always in your church.
[SPEAKER_00]: So where else do you go to meet?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone, if you're asking for the Lord?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do business and it's a problem with meeting folks.
[SPEAKER_01]: My life just comes with a lot that it takes a particular level of maturity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I do have my standards.
[SPEAKER_01]: that I don't, at this stage of my life, I don't play about core needs and core values.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the culture has not lent itself to how to develop matured and spiritually a tune.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't need somebody who necessarily does what I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's just some, you know, it comes with a lot, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: My call puts me in front of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, then that woman has to be able to handle folks who don't know nothing about her.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the other side, it's camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hundreds of thousands of folks got an opinion about me, about you.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've never met you a day in your life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know you from a can of pain and we'll spend them spend their time.
[SPEAKER_01]: to make sure you feel like nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that person got to be able to handle that this call comes with fiery darts and even if you don't come at them, when you begin to love somebody, you don't like to see them getting beat up, right, and, and attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's just, I consider that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I consider, can this person handle?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't want somebody who's their mind, loving me, because of what comes with my world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can they handle, you know, what comes with it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are they emotionally mature, have they packed their bags properly?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just a lot to consider.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that person had to consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, just asking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, did I, did I make you uncomfortable?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because I'm just saying, you know, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of women that are in the audience that are probably listening to this, that you know, not to say, I'm not trying to, you know, do, and I'm just saying that like, you know, do you search?
[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do, I do, I do not, I do not talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they just didn't, it wasn't a win, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in various ways, you know, just wasn't aligned and would not, you know, some of these women play some of the same games.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'd be dogging these men out about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the more, here's what I've got to consider in this stage in life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like a little cause for pause for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier to marry.
[SPEAKER_01]: when nobody knows you, and you don't have much to consider.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more you have, the more responsible, the more things you're responsible for, and the more people you're exposed to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now you've got to be assessing motives.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be, and I'm not trying to be the prophet in the relationship.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to be assessing what this person, because if all of this was gone,
[SPEAKER_01]: does that person want my person who it and not the platform and not the things that or whatever they perceive comes along with it?
[SPEAKER_01]: So it does give a different level of cause to we'll see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you ever turn that off though when you say I don't want to be the profit in the relationship?
[SPEAKER_01]: There is no turning it off, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you say you don't want to be the profit in the relationship, like do you feel like there is a heightened sense of?
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, as you just mentioned, prophecy is knowing and it's black.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is there a heightened sense of that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because your relationships, I feel like it would be easy to discern everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but that can be problematic too, because you...
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, feeling something, and this is something that I work through within myself in terms of just self-attunement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Feeling something does not automatically have to translate as this person is a danger.
[SPEAKER_01]: It can mean, hmm, that's all, that needs healing, that, well, it does take a mature person to be able to sit on the other side of somebody who can perceive and can know and can bring language to the, that can be uncomfortable to be seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: but is it also uncomfortable for you to see?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I would just imagine that in a prophetic relationship with someone is like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like a person who, okay, don't take this wrong way, and I might not even view properly having language when I say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just don't judge.
[SPEAKER_00]: People don't don't dog me in the comments for asking this, but I'm related to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know how sometimes a person who, let's say, has trauma, they can now inflict their trauma on the people that they're in relationships with because of their, uh,
[SPEAKER_00]: wiring, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So from a prophetic room, although it's a complete opposite end of fillings and in knowingness that highly intuitive nature, do you feel like you're a hyper vigilant and hyper like like you could be too dissecting of things because of your gifting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, is it possible to be sure, I endeavor to be intentional, not to be, right, to the point of, just as I see something is whatever, I don't automatically make that mean that this person is disqualified, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so is it possible sure, one of the things that I'd endeavor to do, once I reach a certain point in journeying with someone, I act the Lord, don't show me anything about this person
[SPEAKER_01]: because I want that person to reveal themselves to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's a certain level of attuning and intimacy that is built in choosing to make yourself known to someone as opposed to a person just knowing, you know, without you being able to see into you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I asked the Lord,
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't, I don't, I don't actually prefer the knowingness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're doing this, like people, I think that people present themselves, how they want to present themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, you know, I feel like, I would much rather have the knowingness of a person than to spend a amount of time with someone where they present their representative to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have the knowledge of the cipher and differentiating between that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there is what the person's prophetic or not, there has to be that deciphering that that happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: And remember what I said, once I hit a certain point in journey with them, and that early phase, I'm going to look, because I don't have time to waste, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't we only get one heart.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, you know, that's not the goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, but at a certain point, once I've settled that this person in their core is good,
[SPEAKER_01]: then whatever else comes will come, you can handle, I can handle them, it's over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to be guarded in that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going to pray for you for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't pray for you, because you know, you got this Christian dating show.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to find your match too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jesus' name for God's people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have your own also.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, soon and very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: In Jesus' name, I've got to, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: The next phase of things that the Lord will call an assign me to you to do, it makes it necessary.
[SPEAKER_01]: But just my personal life, it is a desire and a goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marriage is always the goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is the biggest lesson that God has taught you not necessarily about your gift, but about who you are as a man?
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest lesson that the Lord has taught me about who I am got has made me as a several type of archetypes we talk about, not just prophetic archetypes, but in human psychology.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, who God has made me and how God has made me as a interrupter, as a insurrectionist, as a person committed to deliverance.
[SPEAKER_01]: that comes with a lot of warfare.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've experienced loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the greatest end of the loader's taught me about me through them the life of Christ is there's nothing that I can't recover from that both because of his plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because of the way he has formed me, that whatever warfare suffering lost, whatever it is, there's nothing that I can't be recovered from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, what is broken you the most in ministry?
[SPEAKER_01]: In ministry or in life?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm just saying you said that because of the ministry, obviously not just because of the ministry, but because of the ministry, you face attacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when I talk about ministry, not even necessarily the institution, as much of my life is spent in serving, that word minister means to serve.
[SPEAKER_01]: My life is spent in serving people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so as a consequence, that makes me a target
[SPEAKER_01]: to the kingdom of darkness.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I didn't go to the university, initially planned to go to, and that scholarship to go to, because my parents said the ministry needs you to stay here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this I went to the university in my hometown.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are many opportunities that I've had that did not align.
[SPEAKER_01]: with the timing of the lower.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's cost opportunities.
[SPEAKER_01]: My commitment to ministry and integrity and ministry is cost in relationships, because a lot of these people play games and so I have no fellowship in part with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has cost to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: being a target, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've suffered great loss in my family, I've suffered great loss in personal life, I've suffered great loss, it's financially because I'm employed by somebody that the devil hates.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so whatever smoke goes, yeah, yeah, but what I'm clear about and here's what keeps you from developing fear or resentment about it is the paycheck on the back end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, always outweigh, whatever the loss has been on the front end, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter how long you live, 60 years, 100 years, 120 years, eternity is longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that payday will make up, throw whatever the losses are in this life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything else you would like to leave with the audience?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where, that we are in a age of prophetic awakening, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: where God is beginning to stir within his sons and daughters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some that have grown up and church, some that you don't have nothing about church and nothing about God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some who have had an easy way, some who's away, has been the way of trouble, pain and loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's an awakening that is happening across the land.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are in a post-pinter-cost age, or God is pouring out his spirit upon all flesh.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so as God is beginning to do that, there's also an insurrection that is happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: even within the church, regardless calling out of religious systems that have oppressed, that have suppressed, that have dampened the people's awareness of the call of God in their life, he's beginning to call them out so that he can begin to develop the gifts and calls on the inside of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, as you begin to awaken to that call, you have a responsibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call is not sent to be called as to not be sent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call means come here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That means it's time to learn, be trained, be developed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sending is going there, not it's time to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people's calling and sending can happen concurrently, or congruently rather than concurrently.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, as God is doing that,
[SPEAKER_01]: As you're having these experiences, dreams and visions and knowing since things, you have a responsibility to be developed for what he's called you to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: And therefore, what he has called you to do, that's your responsibility.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gives the gift.
[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta give him back the development.
[SPEAKER_00]: absolutely what what are you what are you working on right now we have these amazing prophetic identity formation books right here you got the profits arise that you mentioned a little bit earlier tell the people what you have going on so we are every of the month
[SPEAKER_01]: I do a prophetic certification intensive in different cities around the country this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am aiming for training and developing in our in-person small groups, 600 profits and
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a two day intensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: The first day one of the bless you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a two day intensive that on the first day one of our, what we call hubs, small group leaders teach,
[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the second day, it's eight hour long intensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: I teach four, seven hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a lunch or dinner break is from three PM, no four PM to midnight in intensive, several different intensive modules.
[SPEAKER_01]: So whenever that happens in a city near you, go to bishupdjs.com and sign up for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the Rama, which is the prophetic convocation that is coming up in Houston, Texas.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go to ReformationCultureShift.com for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this book, prophetic identity formation.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you are called to the prophetic realm,
[SPEAKER_01]: And any sense, one of the things that will be good, of course, even for your audiences, a live prophetic masterclass, just teaching some of the basics of the prophetic realm.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you're calling any sense to the prophetic, you need to have the vessel formed for what God is called before, and part of my grace and assignment.
[SPEAKER_01]: is the developmental component to align you for what God has called you to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So get that book on Amazon or wherever I'm at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I'm in Houston.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every Sunday, 8 a.m. 10 a.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to Atlanta every Sunday, night, 7 p.m.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in Houston every Tuesday at 7.
[SPEAKER_01]: Atlanta every Wednesday at 7.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chicago every Thursday at 7.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chicago every Saturday at 1.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're in the process of planting a location in Charlotte, North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that so much.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys, one of the things that I love most about Bishop Senegal is that is how you know he does not do it for himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because to be in a different city, every single day of the week to me is absolutely, I don't want to say insane because that is what God called him to do, but I cannot see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: for myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is grace, but that is a lot of traveling.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about the amount of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I truly know that you are walking in your assignment, because I don't think anybody would necessarily choose.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, that's the grace of God and we ain't done.
[SPEAKER_00]: To move that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're done.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to figure out if the Lord can give me an eighth day in the week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can get a little more done, but he has the grace of God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love, I love that you're truly walking in your assignment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, make sure you guys get this book on Amazon, the prophetic identity formation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as he said, if you have a calling, if you feel as though you are called to be in the prophetic room, make sure you guys tap in to what he has and what he provides so that you can cultivate your gift in your calling.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, make sure you guys like, subscribe, and share this video if it resonated with you.
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