[SPEAKER_00]: My family thinks I'm crazy, podcast where I, your host, try to give you some tips on how you can explain all this weird, wild, crazy conspiracy stuff The people you love most, because that's what I've been trying to do for the past 10 years with no success.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now they don't want to listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't want to hear it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, oh, here we go, Mark.
[SPEAKER_00]: Off again.
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be hard to be a Mark again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's the thing about all I'd best.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's out of France, he used to work for NASA, and then European Space agencies, and he was working specifically in 2003 on a probe that was sent in space to map these relic patterns in the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when that data was coming back from the probe, he realized that there were these strange anomalies in the data.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a mathematical genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to watch the movie because he's got this whole backstory about how he discovered the first black hole in 78 and there was nobody could ever even picture it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like this guy who he sees all the mathematical configurations.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he started to run the numbers only anomaly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, oh my god, there's a wall in space.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just kept going and he mapped it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he was done mapping it, he worked with several other people at NASA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those people did not make the NASA people, did not make the documentary, they didn't want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I did reach out to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he, from the, that data, was able to map out a do-deck a hatred.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just heard today's guest, producer, writer, investigative journalist, and the CEO of Half-Ore Studios, who joins me, Mystic Mark here on the My Family Things and Crazy Podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for tuning in and enjoyed this conversation with Melissa Titton.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the my family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think some crazy podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Mystic Mark, and joining me on the show today is a guest who's film.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to see it's available.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should be available when this episode's out.
[SPEAKER_00]: If not, it will be available soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: But without further ado, our guest who's going to tell us all about that and more.
[SPEAKER_00]: Melissa Tittle, Melissa, welcome to the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pleasure to meet you and you were telling me a little bit about what you've done before we started the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious before we get into the film if you'd like to give us a little summary or synopsis of the trailer and what people can expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also what led you, if you will, to come up with this idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I hope you get to play the trailer so everybody can see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this movie is called Illusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been producing and writing about weird things for about 25 years now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I started out with History Channel, Discovery Channel, Travel Channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Netflix, but I don't want to stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I ended up running content for Gaia for the first five years from its kind of incubation until I left in 2022 and I started my own company Hover Studios and throughout this process of writing, investigating, being there,
[SPEAKER_01]: Filming in all these locations, doing all these different kinds of investigations, whether it's spirituality, ghost aliens, what happens after we die, you know, why are we here, different modalities on how to heal ourselves, having done all of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still have this kind of burning question.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is all of this in our human experience?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we kind of get siloed into one little supernatural area.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, but why do they exist at all?
[SPEAKER_01]: And why are they here with us in our human experience?
[SPEAKER_01]: And um,
[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of led to this deeper questioning, which is the basis of this new movie illusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of stripped it all away.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's got to be a common denominator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why anything is happening at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: to us and possibly to otherworldly beings.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's really the basis of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I called it, here's a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I never call whatever I'm doing, the name of the movie until I'm halfway through post production in the edit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And at that moment, I'm thinking, the movie wants to be called illusion, because we're all into the things that we can't see.
[SPEAKER_01]: But because we don't know what it is that we're here to do so everything feels like an illusion and so this is what the basis of this movie is really about
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting to use the phrase silo, I think I've come to that conclusion with this podcast many times that, you know, often times the guests have very specific or specialized topics that they're researching and they're.
[SPEAKER_00]: oftentimes saying very similar things to people who may appear to be, you know, on a completely opposite end of the spectrum, you know, topic depending whether that's religious views or political views or, you know, any type of sort of line in the sand someone can draw this sort of siloing happens when
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have a lot more in common than we're like to believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's an adage that can say it better.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when it comes to this illusion, the phrase or this concept, you know, are we talking about our perception as human beings and our ability to actually perceive reality
[SPEAKER_00]: to get to the bottom of what's really going on there because, you know, I've heard things growing up, whether it's anatomy lessons where you learn that your eyes see things upside down and reverse that and be processed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's all sorts of factoids that
[SPEAKER_00]: Lend you to believe well, maybe the body and the mind, there's something else going on there that isn't so, you know, measurable or even perceivable.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, is that sort of what you're lending to as far as consciousness goes, the illusionary nature of it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely, I think we all have a piece of the puzzle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would caution anybody who says they know all the truth, I mean, some possible, and they're coming from one perception.
[SPEAKER_01]: And perceptions name in the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: And perception could be limiting, but perception is why we're all here to have different versions, different lenses, to see
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I use this term, but I don't know if it's going to get me into a different category, but to see the creator, the architect of all of this, we need all of these different lenses to see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's these, there's these,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know highly scientific people and these super spiritual people and the thing is they're kind of all saying the same thing but one of them in our 3D reality has the credibility to say it and the other one we just don't understand what they're in touch with so they don't have the credibility but the thing is we're all kind of talking about the same thing and I think um I think I think what my superpower, my lens and all of this that makes it different
[SPEAKER_01]: is that I have a way of taking myself, even though I am a character in this because I am kind of the viewer going on a journey asking the questions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of take myself out of it and I'm able to see all the lenses together.
[SPEAKER_01]: in a nice configuration of showing how all of these different perspectives are needed, otherwise the one thing that exists in all of us cannot be defined.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the hard part about that is trying to really create a landscape for them all to exist and for it to make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was really hard for me making this movie to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean it got so I got so frustrated I mean if that's the amount of content we have is hours and hours and hours of content when the movie was first edited It was like three hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my god, we can't have three hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean two hours as long enough for me So the I so so
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would say my lens in this is to find the common denominator that everybody is sharing it and be able to show how everybody's research is so important in defining what the F is going on here for everybody and that's really what this movie is about really taking them to putting them together in an elegant way that shows that there's not
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody isn't wrong, but if that person is trying to convince you that everything that they're saying is right, well, then we're back to a term that we use in religious context, which is called monotheism, which we're convincing people.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one way to look at things, and that is what creates fear.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with our current human existence is that we don't know how to embrace all these different perspectives into a common denominator that we agree on.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, like common sense, you know, what is common sense, 51% more of 50% of the population believes X, Y, Z versus, you know, the other 49%.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all common sense is, because common sense changes, as generations changes, as education changes, as people find out more information, common sense changes, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what the movie does is, you know, I don't want to
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do too much of a spoiler alert, but that I had such a problem with this because I am still human, that I thought, well, what could bring this together in an analogy that would allow people to feel what it would be like if every single version of that creator could exist all at once at one time in its peer expression.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the only way that I thought this could happen was through music.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the movie, we proposed an experiment that we did using all of those vibrations, frequencies, expressions into one song.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have to say the Harvard composer told me I was batshit crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, he actually did fall through with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, yeah, this is definitely an area where your family might think you're crazy trying to come up with like a coherent theory of everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to speak, but focusing on the fringe and on illustrated parts of our knowledge base, right, these sort of fringe areas that are
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe too intangible to really grasp a hold of, but, you know, human experience tells us, you know, it's real, it's here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, now to get to the bottom of this, it takes a lot of bright
[SPEAKER_00]: a group of people that I definitely recognize some of these names Greg Braden, Dr. Avie Low, Dr. Stewart Hammer off, Dr. Hakim Lusil, I don't know how to pronounce that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lushe, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have heard that before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Lushe, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then a couple of others, but as far as people that you incorporated into the film where there anybody that struck you, surprised you with an idea or a concept that you hadn't incorporated before or something that resonated with you in a way that really changed the direction of this project in this film.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think they're all brilliant and one of the things we just did a premiere in Austin to show it to a small audience.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like the 200 people and one of the things that I do is that I never show the talent with the movies about so quite honestly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to interview them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, we don't know what this movie is about.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they came to the premiere, they didn't know what the movie was about.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got they all liked it at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do that purposely because if there is an end goal, then the research or the way that they will angle what they're saying could feel like
[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to go somewhere, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to have a solid conclusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to do that to them because I think they're all brilliant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they all have certain things that they've been studying for a long time that are really important.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would rather
[SPEAKER_01]: Going back to silos, I'd rather silo them in their research because it's so pure and amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm then finding the common denominators and all of them not have them tried to solve the common denominators.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what they're doing is they're deluding their amazing research.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everybody involved had no idea what this was about.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe except for Dr. Stuart Amoroff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we were talking about migratory drills in geometry and downloading it from space.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody else was like, okay, well, I trust Melissa, we'll see what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess what was mind blowing for me was those moments when they were talking, when they were purely coming from all the research they've been doing for how many years they've been doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in my head, I was thinking, oh my God, that's what, the quantum physicist and France was saying,
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even know each other, nor do they even know what that other person's research is.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, wow, that's just mind-blowing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's going on in my head, not necessarily something they're saying or the other person is saying, it's that moment where I am the only witness to something that I know those two people to have no idea that those people came to that conclusion but from a different angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's something that I've seen with this show many times, you know, we were almost at our 600th episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: This actually might be this 600th episode, depending on what comes next.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I have a few other shows recorded.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there's a lot of overlap, and I mean,
[SPEAKER_00]: not necessarily intentional.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've gone into some really niche specific areas.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I get that same sense sometimes, where I'm like, well, this really sounds like this thing that seems like it's completely unrelated, but structurally or seems to rhyme, harmonically or so on and so forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where is Dr. Stewart Hammer off going with that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you give us a little glimpse into maybe what he offered and shared in the film and how that connects to the overall thesis?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so Dr. Stuart Amarov is a doctor of anesthesiology at Arizona.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has since retired.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's heading up because of his work with Roger Penrose.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's heading up something called the study of consciousness studies, which originated in Arizona, but I think he's partnered with University of San Diego and several other universities
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so Dr. Stewart-Manan Roth, in his work at the University of Arizona, was really focused on different parts of cellular structures in an ever-ane, and one of the things that scientists have known, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: for a long time is that there's these little scaffolding things in all of our cells actually, but specifically the ones in our brain called microtubules.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these microtubules, they in the brain, they act as receivers.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they're specifically coated almost like a cylinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think of a cylinder and you look down the barrel of that cylinder, there's like all these little strips of the microtubules or the pieces of the microtubules that come together.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is very important.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm explaining this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're watching this and you're looking at my fingers or you're listening this on the on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: So think about 13 strips coming together to make a cylinder micro tube real.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we know looking down the barrel of that, there's 13 pieces of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you've watched my other movie code 12, you'll know that the significance of 12 and 13 are prevalent in most of our spiritual and religious texts across the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thousands of years ago just recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what I'm saying is that there's an ancient connection to all people.
[SPEAKER_01]: through these spiritual texts and beliefs and oral teachings of a structure of 12 and the 13th is some kind of center point, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was something I did a while ago just kind of like bringing this out is kind of odd that every sacred story has these components to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I digress.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we're at the micro two rules with the 13th.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Amoroff was just puzzled by nobody's studying these microtubules and apparently they're receivers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means that we talk a lot about synapses in the brain and how they're creating these chemical reactions and then those chemical reactions are bouncing off and creating these signals in the brain.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the microtubules and the cells that are piqued up the information first and allowing those electrical currents to come to the synopsis.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he dedicated all of most of his career at this point focused on microtubules.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're talking about 80s at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let's go to a very famous quantum physicist, who's still alive, Japan Rose.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the OG of quantum physicist, a resigned sign, and there's Roger Penrose.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is one of the most respected quantum physicists.
[SPEAKER_01]: At one point, he writes a book called The Emperor's Mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in that book, at the end of that book, he asks the question, if all of this is true that I'm talking about that the whole universe is the created with relic geometries and these geometries make up matter, they make up reality, everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does the mind, the brain pick up these relic geometries that were created at the beginning of the big bang and constitute everything in our living existence?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he posed that question, and shortly after he got in contact with Dr. Stewart Amaroff who was working on these micro-tubiles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these two published a paper in the 90s, late 90s, about this merging of this quantum discovery.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's since the beginning of the Big Bang of our universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Relic geometries designed and created everything from the beginning of our universe to right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So his theory was that everything that exists is just a geometry shape, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then what constitutes reality, this is where Amarov comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Amarov was able to prove that these microtubules were picking up signals from these relic geometries all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So think about this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: You probably have friends that meditate or maybe you meditate a lot and the idea is like, I got to get connected.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to get grounded.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to tell you you're connected to that thing, whatever that is, all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's just the matter of how many of those microtubules are open enough to receive the information that's either mind blowing or supernatural or it's just oh that's an apple I'm eating right those that's different information but it's all from the mundane to the supernatural it all exists and we're all in contact with all the time and this is what Amaroff was able to prove with the microtubules and Roger Penrose was able to prove
[SPEAKER_01]: with how our existence of reality what reality really is, which is just geometry shapes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that means good or bad, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we always think of sacred geometry as our just geometry is beautiful and peaceful and loving.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's geometries that are,
[SPEAKER_01]: not perfect, that are not sacred, that are oblong, and those have negative connotations, or maybe not, is pleasurable as some of the others.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, they wrote a whole paper about this, and it was very mind blowing at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roger Penner has got a lot of flag because
[SPEAKER_01]: He dipped his toe into the seaword, not the other seaword, but this seaword, which is consciousness, got himself into a lot of trouble, but he's like, whatever, on the OG, unlike B. Quantofusus, if I'm not asking about consciousness, who is going to ask about consciousness?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this huge emerging in late 90s kind of started off a huge thing for Amoroff, really diving into what are we experiencing and how are we translating that into,
[SPEAKER_01]: what we call life or supernatural experiences or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, his later paper
[SPEAKER_01]: was really diving into the most early biological existences on our planet, so bacteria virus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was able to prove before reproduction.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're all taught that as a human species or even anything on this planet was all about reproduction.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's how you can reproduce and then that was the goal of everybody, whether it was our species or another species.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he was able to prove that before there was reproduction, there was just biological structures,
[SPEAKER_01]: Their survival was based on having better experiences.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're thinking, okay, well that's super woo woo.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not woo.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called survival.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like this warm water better, so I'm going to stay here then going over to the cold water.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that this is how we evolve as a species.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, everything evolves in a species is creating more pleasurable experiences that then we continually want to download.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got an argument with somebody at a podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: They said, well, that's not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a friend who's quite sick and is an alcoholic and you're telling me he's downloading a more pleasurable experience and I'm like, well,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to speak for anybody, but maybe in that moment, that's a more pleasurable experience than dealing with something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was his latest paper really showing how if this is all true that we're downloading the creator, the architect, all the time, and all pieces of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we are choosing what we believe is a more pleasurable experience to live.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that comes from the relative geometries of space created by something we don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my family definitely thinks I'm crazy now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're way past that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you are making great points and to the person that argued with you,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you know you're illustrating or they were illustrating maybe a case that proves you correctly because this person is you know seeking pleasure whether that you know benefits them or not it's that's kind of the process of evolution right like it's it's not actually
[SPEAKER_00]: always going to be what you choose the pleasurable thing and that's always going to be benign and beneficial to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be the inverse that you choose something pleasurable and it ends up being your folly, but that's basically like kind of the statistics of it, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Over time, these life forms had experiences that were beneficial and they, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: fascinating to think that, you know, for one, everything is conscious.
[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, when you're looking at it from that perspective, you know, rather than it just being this like, you know, bacteria moving around, trying to feed itself, it's like, no, it's having a living experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, holographic almost where it's like, smaller, bigger, there's another term I'm looking for, like the microcosm to the macrocosm, like, you know, this consciousness seems to be the link between the smallest life forms in the biggest life forms, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if we can see our own human experience in something like the earliest life forms that moved around and the primordial earth, can we turn that around and look towards some of the biggest things that we can see like a galaxy or through our telescope, we can see like these solar systems
[SPEAKER_00]: have consciousness as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we turning the corner on science to where some of the things that we learn from mythology, the personalities of constellations, maybe there's some truth to that, where these constellations that were personified weren't just
[SPEAKER_00]: symbolic, there were actual qualities that were imbued from connecting with whatever that is out there and, you know, that we can represent as a constellation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you've actually bring up a really good point because a lot of ancient cultures I'm sure those people want to show it talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them wanted to connect or or create their religious or spiritual beliefs around connecting to serious the star serious and specifically in Egypt connecting the temples or gateways to make sure that the star was shiny at certain days or certain times.
[SPEAKER_01]: into that place you'd have to think besides the fact that it's beautiful and that's a really amazing they did that you're right it had to have some kind of power that brought them into that pleasurable state to they felt like that they were
[SPEAKER_01]: that this was a better choice than connecting to a different star system.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, serious, obviously, is the brightest star and certain parts of the world, a certain times of the year, it's basically an Egypt, it has to do with the flooding of the Nile.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're thinking, okay, it's a bright star in the sky, but there had to be something that we can't see anymore that brought them,
[SPEAKER_01]: experience that we don't understand anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, why go through all that trouble?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to connect that star to everything from the great pyramid to temples and to alignments within certain places around the world, even caves or structures.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the thing with evolution.
[SPEAKER_01]: You think about your choices every day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you take, if you really start to think about this and you start to think, well, you know, but look at all the stuff I'm doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, junk food and I'm about my computer 24, seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have any friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: In some way, your human experience is taking pleasure and that otherwise you wouldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You feel that this is a part of your survival.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we really start to strip away,
[SPEAKER_01]: these things that we get attached to, which is the story, and I'm coming in into metaphysical, spiritual stuff here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we start to look at our world that way, we could immediately get attached to a different kind of experience that could have that we could have an experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this brings me into another point.
[SPEAKER_01]: The purpose of humanity in something that I've discovered in this documentary is not necessarily to deal with your karma or that you don't learn a lesson or whatever that that's like a story around your existence right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're really great stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've fallen into all those stories because stories are fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to think that the reason why people don't like me is because I got my head chopped off in ancient Egypt.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some bad blood there, that's a great story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that story for me, but if we strip that away and we think that we're overcoming the idea of a pleasurable experience, like if we're downloading a geometry shapes and I'm thinking like this is my reality right now and you could change it like this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That means that your human experience
[SPEAKER_01]: is enjoying the process of suffering or having a good time and you can change that at any moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's more your human expression, if you're truly in your human expression, you're more most likely not going to be experiencing something that's going to make you suffer.
[SPEAKER_01]: but we just don't know who we are.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're bombarded by different kinds of consciousness all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the time, just even in our house alone, just stuff that's in our house, not only going outside, not enough stuff that you're reading, but that's also bombardment.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know who we are and how powerful we are and what we can express.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have created limitations based on false separation by the fact that we are trying to have one experience instead of having
[SPEAKER_01]: every experience all the time any place because that's really what the universe is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a sort of in a way Eastern idea like at least that's how I can relate to it, this sort of idea that where we are in the material realm is inherently suffering and
[SPEAKER_00]: meant to be that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a matter of choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: It circumstance and karma and so on and so forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it definitely feels like we're getting to a point now with the internet and with the the digital world where you're
[SPEAKER_00]: feedback is a lot, it's light speed, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's things that people can do to change their life or to connect with others around the world that weren't possible 200, 300 years ago, let's say.
[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, maybe we have this illusion of, you know, sort of more connectedness, but
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, for worse or for better, a larger wing span, so to speak, of expression that people can partake it, you know, and whether, again, for worse or for better, because there's definitely the downside of,
[SPEAKER_00]: hedonism where you, you know, turn your body into this sort of gluttonous thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're not attached to your material self, then is that really a bad thing to, you know, make your body, you know, ill.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would say yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to, I
[SPEAKER_00]: endorse any sort of lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think having a healthy body can only benefit your spiritual and mental life, but yeah, I just I wonder if there's a sort of negative interpretation of that, you know, and what are your thoughts on maybe that side of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this
[SPEAKER_00]: The new age approach often feels like it doesn't have the same safeguards in the sense that like old school religion was overbearing now there's like this new flavor of spirituality that's very like
[SPEAKER_00]: no rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder, you know, is there consequences to that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's sort of this idea that, you know, we're here as conscious beings to just experience everything to know limit, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we have to include everyone else in that, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to figure out how to answer this in the most diplomatic way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got problems on both sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had problems with the strict kind of a can't be.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be this box.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I also have problems with the freewheeling, spiritual bypassing, like whatever everything is, that's not necessarily you
[SPEAKER_01]: Translating anything in the universe, except just whatever comes through you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, are you an internet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you a processor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you are you chat GPT or a bot?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how I look at that like brothers and sisters holding hands, you know what I mean now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that gets into another distant another.
[SPEAKER_01]: miscommunication that were all one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, if we look at, we have another guy in this documentary who explains this in a really interesting way, because he had an experience that is mind-blowing issue to movies, I don't explain it all, but he talks about this in
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's say we all agree that there's a singularity.
[SPEAKER_01]: And everything comes from the singularity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything from the tree to water to, you know, the could this computer, this Zoom call to, you know, who we are and our personal expressions and all the custom all is this in singularity.
[SPEAKER_01]: When we leave that singularity to have our experience, whether you're gonna be born into a fox or a tree or a flower or a flower,
[SPEAKER_01]: chat GPT bought or yourself.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have at that very moment separated yourself from singularity.
[SPEAKER_01]: So...
[SPEAKER_01]: When you separate, you are having a separate experience of the one, but when spiritual groups say, we are all one, yes, before we all separated, but at this moment in time, we are not all one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have different expressions of the one and that's the most important thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what happens in spiritual communities is everybody tries to like,
[SPEAKER_01]: do the quality thing and have this one belief system, which is just as bad as, you know, old school religion, because you get locked into what you have to believe this, or if you don't, then you obviously don't see all the realms and you're not free and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Same idea, same monotheism.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what I think is not taught in either community and there
[SPEAKER_01]: who you are in this existence with full vigor, but commit to it for a bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And feel like, I'm like, that's me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the idea is to figure out who you are that you are supposed to translate what you're supposed to say and what you're supposed to reflect back about this existence and what happens is we get into these groups and these ideas and these ideals
[SPEAKER_01]: And we become someone else's mission or version or words or sayings, instead of being like, okay, wait, no, no, no, I'm going to do a lot of work to figure out what this is, what I'm supposed to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the miscommunication there with the spiritual community versus, you know, the hardcore I'm in a box.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both of them are, I feel limiting.
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes a lot of work to figure out what is it that I'm here to translate.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like to say that we're translate because if you say what am I here to do?
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of us do things every day that we are not here, that you think to yourself, I didn't come here divinely to empty the dishwasher.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, what did you come here to translate and that takes a lot of work and I just feel
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, there's just this middle ground that I really love for people to entertain a little bit more and stay away from, especially now, you were talking about the information boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just so much, but we are still trying to relate to each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we don't adopt this concept of everybody has a translation of the one,
[SPEAKER_01]: we're going to get caught up in another belief system that's going to be more popular on our information systems than something else.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to be swayed by propaganda.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just now, I mean, I have people emailing me about the pyramids.
[SPEAKER_01]: all resonating at 333 in Egypt, you know, and I'm like it's freaking fake news, you know, but nobody knows because there's so much information.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're still caught up on our old beliefs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we really think about how do we want to evolve into the next version of what humans could be, we've got to take a really hard look on at what we're here to translate and
[SPEAKER_01]: when you were talking about these kind of experiences that could be negative, but people still want to entertain them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Negative experiences allow us to back end, what could be a positive experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, people are like, oh my God, there's just so much suffering in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, every generation says this, every generation says this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what the thing is?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not changing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There has been somebody in ancient Greece who said there's so much conflict in suffering in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, at 3000 years later, we're still doing the same stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that feels like, you know, and I've had this experience with within the course of starting this podcast five or six years ago, it feels like as you
[SPEAKER_00]: alter what you allow to be your agreed upon reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: The people around you start to reflect those qualities and you start to resonate in a way that you find more people who agree on that reality.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at one point in your life, you may find yourself in a place where people are very negative
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not, you know, happy with, but because you're overwhelmed by that because you're focused on that you're only creating more opportunities to experience that right and therefore, you know, through the course of positive thinking, you know, being confident in yourself, finding new things to focus on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It starts to change your reality and you start to resonate at a frequency that allows for more positive influences to come in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen that just in the course of my own life and it's something that I try to talk about on the show as much as possible because I remember being somebody listening to a podcast who was not happy with the circumstances of my life and
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's something that, as far as, you know, this film and everything that, you know, we seem to be resonating on here, you know, I'm not necessarily against people having a negative experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a matter of where you sort of find yourself in reality at this current time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing is stuck or static or stagnant in that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's call it some of the modern biases that people have and maybe they're not so modern.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you illustrated, people in Greece thought the world was, you know, ending it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at any point in time.
[SPEAKER_00]: People are thinking the world is ending and there's things that need to be changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just seems to be the way things are.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on that notion,
[SPEAKER_00]: of, you know, modern thinking, you know, we tend to think now science as this sort of very separate thing, you know, we being the average person, not you and I, or even the listeners of the show, or that matter, because most of them are way past.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, these modern notions and biases, but when it comes to the average person, there's a sort of line between science and religion or spirituality, and the two don't really mix, but you know, consciously is conscious beings that that doesn't really make sense, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is a major point that you mentioned being a part of illusion, but I'm curious,
[SPEAKER_00]: where this connects to your experiences going and traveling around the world to various ancient sites.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you saw that reflected in what seems to be the remnants of people in those earlier time periods.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've spent a lot of time in Ancient Egypt.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in a lot of shows about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I now do two words.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll start there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we can go to other places.
[SPEAKER_01]: In ancient Egypt, they were really keen on writing down all the magical components that make up the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is what makes ancient Egypt besides, wow, how did they build this and why did they build it and why did they cut all the secretaryometry in it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have all the gods and goddesses and all these directions.
[SPEAKER_01]: They really wanted to preserve magic that humans can do to conjure up, you know, for the sake of conversation and hopefully you're going to watch a lesion.
[SPEAKER_01]: geometry that they could download into someone else themselves or groups of people, it was all about controlling the populist, controlling, making sure the outcome of the king or the pharaoh or the queen was favorable and making sure the enemy suffered.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they really tell the story over and over and over and over again and they have spells everywhere on the walls that had these resonant
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, being in these places so many times and knowing this and a logical level, I also found myself having supernatural experiences, and so what I've, so here I am trying to be that middle ground right journalist.
[SPEAKER_01]: but still open, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then having this experience, I can't explain unless I come up with a complete story about how I was picked by blah, blah, blah to, you know, translate information.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't want to do that, but it's, what it did was it furthered my questioning of what is going on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is this happening here, and why did they want to preserve it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And how is it still working now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Considering we've mostly ruined these things, some of them are still buried, some of them are broken.
[SPEAKER_01]: The great pyramid is broken.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what is this remnants?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like,
[SPEAKER_01]: ancient Egypt, I had this theory that somebody talks about in the documentary, where they talk about how the universe could be shaped like a geometry shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: It could be walls to our universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And how if that's true, then how the inside of this universe would interact with itself,
[SPEAKER_01]: And you were kind of talking about this like a holographic universe, a mirrored universe, if you will, and I feel like that's what it's like stuck at stepping into Egypt is that they created something that still has not gone away like they've activated something they've created this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all of mirrors and you walk in and you have all these different, either pieces of yourself or pieces of something else coming into your existence and then you're absorbing the information on such a crazy level.
[SPEAKER_01]: This, these experiences because they kept happening doesn't matter how many times have been the Egypt doesn't matter how I can define it something else weird happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really let me to get deeper into what is all of this and what are we here to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: the word that was escaping me earlier and you just reminded me, so thank you, it was fractal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, there's this fractalized component to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't been to Egypt myself, but that's sort of what comes to mind as I hear you describe this, all of me are as a fact, and it seems like,
[SPEAKER_00]: The epitome of art is to try to mirror nature and the creation, and you can only do that if you understand golden ratios and the fractal nature of geometry in the world around us, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: When you use the phrase relic geometry, that sort of what comes to mind for me is that there's these sort of, you know, ultimate concepts that are inalienable and universal and they resonate at these frequencies that we are bound to interact with when we're open to them because they're just constants, right, that these mathematical constants that, you know, no matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: where you are in the universe, you know, it seems to be that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now on that note, human being seemed to have, you know, used the the number 12 earlier, and I'm curious, you know, the significance of that, there are some things that come to mind like the zodiac, the hours of the day, and so on, and so forth, not the months of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: The number five also seems to have this, and I heard recently, I forget where, but I heard recently something that most, if not all flowering or fruits, their flowers have five petals, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that as human beings right with our five fingers like, you know, we have the painted hand symbols as some of the oldest, you know, cave artwork right so this symbol of five points, whether it's a five pointed star or pentagon.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this powerful, resident human sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm curious, you know, is this sort of, you know, what comes to mind for you when I say all that and obviously this must be some way related to your film and relic geometry, I'd imagine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, how much time do we have as much time as much time as we were skipping around a lot that was happening in this film and and you know because I have to it's an equal opportunity film for all geometry so I just did not focus on the pentatogram the five pointed star the five pedals the number five but something I just did a couple of Egypt tours and.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the theories around 12 by actually a quantum physicist named Pierre Jean Pierre Luminat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's out of France.
[SPEAKER_01]: He used to work for NASA.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then European space agencies.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was working specifically in 2003 on a probe that was sent in space to map these relic patterns in the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when that data was coming back from the probe, he realized that there were these strange anomalies in the data.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a mathematical genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to watch the movie because he's got this whole backstory about how he discovered the first black hole in 78 when there was nobody could ever even picture it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is like this guy who he sees all the mathematical configurations.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, oh my god, there's a wall in space.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just kept going and he mapped it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he was done mapping it, he worked with several other people at NASA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those people did not make the NASA people did not make the documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't want to talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I did reach out to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, from that data, was able to map out a dodecahedron.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, a dodecahedron,
[SPEAKER_01]: Plato and Plato's work that's one of the platonic solids, it's in his version, it's ether, so it's everything, it's everything, invisible, everything around us, but the Joe Daccahedron is 12 sites.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 12 sided, sacred geometry, say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, in each of those sides is a pentagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: So each of those 12 spaces are a pentagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what you find out a lot of ancient sites are remnants of these five pointed stars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And specifically in Egypt, I'll just talk about Egypt because I'll continue my conversation about Egypt.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only specific places where the five-pointed stars are on the ceiling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now you could say, well, they've been five-pointed stars because it's easier to draw five-pointed stars than six-pointed stars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are in specific places where either the pharaoh or the gods are communicating with you and they're always on the ceiling or they're on the side or they're in certain places where
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm sure you've had somebody on the show that was talking about, um, cough, right, the pyramid where they found all of those from the satellite images.
[SPEAKER_01]: They found all those tunnels that go below the second pyramid and, you know, they're investigating that and they're not sure if it's a whole underground laboring through whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you take the geese plateau and you take cough, right, which is where all the discoveries just happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's at the center.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a couple temples and buildings, including the sphinx, that are aligned on this geese plateau.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you use coffee as the center, you know what you get, a pentagram.
[SPEAKER_01]: And from the work that I've done and worked with some of the Egyptologists, there's a belief that these temples are actually activating, on certain ends of the pyramid, they're actually activating the geese applied toe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have the pyramids in the middle, and then you have a, what they call like an ISIS temple in this side, you've got the valley temple, you have the sphinx, and then you have the other pyramid this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: is that the pentagram, although in some cases, people believe it's evil, is actually a creation point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a connection point to one of the sides of this dodecahedron of the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's communicating with these backbone pieces that make up this dodecahedron of the universe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we kind of talk about this in the documentary.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why you see it all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's literally the pieces that make up the actual structure of the universe if that's all true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this, I don't know, maybe this fits into this, maybe not, but I believe the pyramid, the great pyramid, and the entire complex for that matter, is that the geographical center of the earth, if you were to take all the landmass of the earth and calculate the center point, it would be at the exact center, there's some other anomalous sort of features to its
[SPEAKER_00]: global level, which makes me think, you know, when they're incorporating aspects of the structure of the universe, and then they're taking that much detail to the construction so that it aligns with the entire planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's something to that, you know, obviously we can spend a whole episode talking about the period complex and I'm sure it makes up a portion of the film, but you know, we've had a lot of different, you know, theories, you know, explanations, if you will attempts at explanations.
[SPEAKER_00]: without going for that obvious question, what do you think the pyramids did?
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll skip that because I've heard a lot of different explanations, but what I haven't heard in these explanations is the human component.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess my question for you is when the pyramids were, let's call them active and up and running, so to speak, what do you think the human
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, moving around a place like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what would the intention be for the, for the, for the experience or who was visiting that place?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, if we could just go back in time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, uh,
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the things they do on my tours is a kind of go backwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: We land in the Cairo and we go all the way to the bottom of the Nile and work our way up to all the temples.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason I do that is because the temples are this human story of like what the magic is and how the gods and goddesses represent these different forms of nature.
[SPEAKER_01]: and how you can use them and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you get to the guise of puttoe and you're standing in front of that great pyramid, it is a machine and I love when people argue with me.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, there's not a machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a spiritual and I'm like, yeah, it's a spiritual machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is insane and there are no stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's literally rock designed in a specific way over a men's amount of water and different laylines and gathering up a certain amount of great energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would imagine,
[SPEAKER_01]: that we were still looking at a time of a very vast, expansive, powerful machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe a consciousness machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was an Arab writer who came through
[SPEAKER_01]: that part of Egypt, I think in like 280 or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've just escaped in his name and he writes about the fact that there was the pyramids and there was all these obelisks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he said there was a field of obelisks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now there's no obelists on the Giza plateau.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the three pyramids, there's remnants of these temples I was just talking about and there's
[SPEAKER_01]: There are no oblisks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, the French have an oblisk.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Italians have an oblisk, you know, people have oblisk, but I'm talking like a field of oblisk.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the thought process was, we were dealing with some huge machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So because what else would those obelis be there for?
[SPEAKER_01]: They, you don't need a field of obelis to worship raw, who's the son God.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would have been part of feeding into a machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: So another thing, anomaly that was discovered, if anybody, anybody listening's been to Egypt, you will understand what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for people who haven't,
[SPEAKER_01]: Cairo literally is eating the pyramids.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're facing this way and you're like, oh my god, and you're like here, and then, you know, there's a Pepsi, you know, there's like a shop there for you to buy stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like right there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this was about, I don't know, 30 years ago, they were digging closer and closer as they do to the pyramids.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they found these copper pipes that were like 4,000 years old that were piping that were coming from the from the geese plateau into something else, but of course they were digging into residential area trying to, you know, widen the house or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the concept was that maybe even in ancient times we were still dealing with a machine that was working but with obelisk and piping something and lots of energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people were living on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we see all these beautiful AI,
[SPEAKER_01]: Images with the pyramids are there and people are walking around, you know, and other like scandelessly clad clothes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to live there too.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think people were living there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that like where they were was a very powerful spiritual spot and the people that were allowed to even get close to that had to be well trained to handle that frequency that it was giving off and be able to communicate with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I'm jumping around a lot, but there's just so much information with this, like in Solomon's Temple, they talk about the Ark of the Covenant.
[SPEAKER_01]: of how people had to be trained, even it was like something you had to communicate with.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't necessarily just a scary box with all the information at the universe and it was something it was active and it was communicating with the person and they had to go through all this training to even get close to coming to the arc of the covenant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they would tie a rope at the end of, they talked about the tie a rope at the end of the person, the initiate that would go in because if they didn't pass, they'd be disintegrated
[SPEAKER_01]: wheel back out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of feel that like that it's so powerful today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if it's broken, it's so powerful.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I always have my crew and my people stay like right next door to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're looking out the pyramid and you can feel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine being there when it was active.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it it might have powered consciousness and growth of the planet itself from, you know, I don't know, they're did keep dating it back 30, 50,000 years ago, you know, I was even older, I mean, right, I mean, Graham Hancock is Graham Hancock, so things just keep getting older.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I still don't think I think later,
[SPEAKER_01]: When it was in his powerful, people got closer to it and they started doing ceremony in it and they started spending time in it, but whoever built that and when they built that, I think it was, I don't know how a human could stand the amount of energy that things was giving off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, and you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: an entirely different climate potentially an entirely different environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've had guests on the show talk about the green Sahara, which is very well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe verified now by some pretty mainstream sources that the Sahara Desert was once, you know, lush and more akin to what you see in Southern Africa along the Savannah,
[SPEAKER_00]: Jack Kelly who was on the show says that Atlantis was potentially there in that area.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, who knows how advanced this civilization was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they were even humans for that matter, there's a really fascinating book that I have somewhere on my shelf that goes into how in the I think
[SPEAKER_00]: 12,000, year intervals or something on that span, the solar system orbits the center of the galaxy and because of that fluctuation human beings are subsequently taller or shorter depending on how close or far we are from this galactic center point and you can look back and see skeletons of human beings ranging between like 9 and 10 to 11 feet tall.
[SPEAKER_00]: dating back to these time periods where we were closer to this galactic or further.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly which way it works, but yeah, either way, you know, something that boggles the mind, I'm sure, and you mentioned, you know, they're still to this day.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's an energy that's felt.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ask you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Atlantis thing is pretty crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think about, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Atlantis more being a civilized like a worldwide civilization that was connected on some higher, you know, whether you believe in higher dimensions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when it fell, it feels like, I mean, look, again, we all have a piece of the answers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying I'm right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like whatever decided to tell the stories of Atlantis were maybe remnants of Atlantis and came there and built this place that would not crumble so that they could really keep the magic going.
[SPEAKER_01]: This bridge, if you will, that's what it feels like to me, but again, I'm just one perspective, one perception.
[SPEAKER_00]: You bring to mind this idea that I learned from a book called The Secret History of the World by Mark Booth and it's a great source of information, chronicling like the symbolic mythical sort of history of humanity, which I think we would argue on this show a lot of our guess would argue that that's more accurate than the political version of history that we're given,
[SPEAKER_00]: very early, familial human, you know, esoteric, familial human, like genesis era, where we were not so solid, we were these sort of gaseous beings.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder sometimes if that's another way of saying, you know, we were in this other dimension and that this dimension is
[SPEAKER_00]: Here on the earth, it's, you know, a different infrastructure and structure, depending on, you know, what dimension you're in, we just were just in a denser version of it, but yeah, that's sometimes what comes to mind with Atlantis, that's sort of what I thought you were referring to when you said it, you know, in another dimension, what comes to mind for you when I say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I feel that it was, we were living in another dimension that was, I think a little bit easier to move things around on what it's physical matter or our thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of people think the Emerald tablets are, you know, made up at one point and in written by.
[SPEAKER_01]: somebody who was kind of referring to like, you know, King James Bible or something, and that could be true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but there's always a mysterious figure involved with Atlantis, the conversation of Atlantis, the conversation of Egypt being attached to Atlantis, and that's tooth, and, um, you know, I think there's a, there's a, there's a big misunderstanding, you know, tooth is supposedly according to the animal tablets.
[SPEAKER_01]: The architect, he created all of this that we live in, um, with sacred geometry and all that kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but he seems to be this kind of bridge between this,
[SPEAKER_01]: this time, this culture that feels like, because he's considered a god in Egypt that was on that level of these beings and then kind of recreating the earth into what it is now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it does, if you compare all the stories of Toaf, the Egyptian version versus, you know, animal tablets which were written by someone else or even some of the Greek stories about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have this character, this kind of in-between,
[SPEAKER_01]: And my interpretation of that is that there were a set of beans that seemed to have come from somewhere else to re-establish some kind of energy of frequency after something else had happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: And whether that's Atlantis or the flood or whatever it is, but it just seems that they, we can't even fathom who these beans are, which means, you know, maybe they did come from another,
[SPEAKER_01]: they were living still on earth but in another dimension and that fell and they had to reconstruct what was broken just for the survival of who was left.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what it feels like comparing all the different stories.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I often have only my intuition to rely on piecing this stuff together and yeah, I trust your intuition as someone who's looked at this for quite a long time and has a lot of experience traveling around beyond Egypt where there are any places you've visited, maybe places that are lesser known.
[SPEAKER_00]: that really struck you with a similar sort of energy or or value to humanity, whether ancient or or otherwise?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to find this footage too because I can't see what I can do with it, but have you ever heard of the Romanian sphinx?
[SPEAKER_00]: I have, yeah, there's a lot of interesting stories about the Romanian sphinx and some secret operatives and things like that, teleportation agency, yeah, there's a lot of strange stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that one story written by that one guy and started all sorts of stuff?
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, I went there several years ago to investigate the sphinx and see if we could find an entrance to this cave, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I met all sorts of dodgy characters
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, having worked in Peru with grave robbers and on that Peruvian mummy that Gaya was involved in, you know, like I was pretty good at figuring out who was just wanting money and totally blowing smoke at my skirt or really maybe had something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was such an interesting it was such an interesting thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, actually we can do a whole episode on this whole journey, but but you asked me a specific question about a place.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought, okay, well, everybody's looking at the sphinx.
[SPEAKER_01]: What else does Romania have that nobody's looking at?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, I got, I got to come home with a story.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got to, I got to, I can't spend all this time here and wait for somebody to open the door to this magical cave that maybe, or maybe existence or doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I started really digging into the history of Romania and Romania, obviously at one point is conquered by Rome, but before that they have this kind of like cult of the wolves.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why the Romans adept at once they conquered now Romania, they took the symbol of the
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had these cults, this is what I discovered, they had these cults with these worshiped the wolves or they were like, we were wolf hats.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I got so deep into this, I brought this historian, this Romanian historian and archeologist and all this kind of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got deep into this whole wolf cult thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, so the wolf cult thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what's, you know, what, which is I have to do with anything, like the sphinxer?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, well, there's all these, this underground city and these caves with these, uh, this wolf cult.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, okay, well, take me to one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we went to a couple and they were pretty intricate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't find any remains of, you know, people living there, you know, it was not comfortable if someone was on the wall or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I got really frustrated with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: archaeologists, and I said, look, I don't know, this is nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Wolf called, it's great, fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I need to see something.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, well, there's a mountain with these ancient texts on the top of the mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, show me, do you have a picture?
[SPEAKER_01]: He showed me, and they were Samarian uniforms.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I looked at that picture for so long.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh my god, take me here.
[SPEAKER_01]: because this kind of stretches, I mean, we kind of know this, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: If we study all this ancient stuff or like, yeah, they were all over the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if we can prove that these Samarians were there, there was some kind of language there that would be amazing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So we travel a long way, it's three hours from Budapest.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we are, we're like in Transylvania.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to go see Dracula's Castle, but we're past that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the middle of nowhere, like nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: We passed a village with a woman with a wheelbarrow and watermelons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there was no cars, there was nothing, no nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's there meditating, there's no spiritual stuff happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now remember this is the wolf couple thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're in the middle of nowhere, we pull up and it's kind of like a trailhead and I'm like, okay, so we're gonna hike up this mountain.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, and he's like, can your camera crew make it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yep, camera crews, we're all in, so there's like six of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, all these dogs show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm talking like a corgi.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I'm talking like, there's like a terrier and then there was like a lot like a lab looking dog and some other mut looking Doug, it's a pounds the pounded just let out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was so weird and they were well groomed and we are in the middle of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no way that corgi in the Terrier are like out there surviving in the wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, who's dogs are these and they're like, just kept saying it's Romania.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's Romania.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like, I don't know what that means, but okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we start this hike and these dogs completely surround us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a dog in the front, there's dogs in the back, there's dogs in the side, there's stupid, stupid, like opposites, whole hike, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And immediately,
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel so weird on like this place is off the charts with energy and there's nothing to look at.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no temple.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no structure and I'm just like, oh my god, like I could feel it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't good.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a intense and we get to this cave that was carved out probably by some monks and there was still a candle, you know, they were like, oh, you know, this is like a church or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a cafe at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we go in there and I kind of like it's like it's highly resonant like you can make a sound.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, not not the tablets and I'm looking forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we start walking and the dogs are freaking out like all of them are barking at us.
[SPEAKER_01]: even the corgi in the terrier, like just loon and all the Romanian crews like we can't go any further, and I'm like, what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't go any further.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who else dogs are these?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and why are we going any further?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're not going to allow us to go any further.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who's not going to go any further?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, the dogs, and I'm like, who?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what do you mean the dogs?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, get the dogs out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they said, no, no, the dogs.
[SPEAKER_01]: are the shamans.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're the wolves.
[SPEAKER_01]: They will not let us go any further.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not allowed to go any further.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, one going further.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, well, you're on your own.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if we can't break the rules here, your, you know, bad things are going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the stories I did not go and find the stone of the uniforms.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason of this is that there are places like that that are so crazy, off the charts with energy and protected and full of really supernatural stuff and they don't have anything to do with higher glyphs or temples or getting together in a pyramid, they're just magical and nobody knows about them and nobody's there and there are spirits and energies protecting them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there could be something with the Romania's spinks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'd love to like talk about that later, there's a bunch of other things I found, but there was something so insane about that place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's untouched with a bunch of spiritual journeys going out there and trying to conjure aliens and open up portals.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just pure.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was stronger than Egypt.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was off the chart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just, I got this sense that as you were going through that story that the dogs were not just guarding you, but guarding the place that you were in and yeah, that's wow, very compelling and so it makes my heart race and like.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, and to think about the ancient world, like we think of the world today as the separate places, you know, and like, it just wasn't the case back then.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they would have had explorers and scouts and things like that who charted out as far as they could go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we had a conversation a couple hundred episodes or so ago about,
[SPEAKER_00]: The Ukraine, I remember specifically because the Ukraine was a talking point a lot, you know, with the war going on and we were talking about Egypt and proximity to Ukraine and how there are these sort of ancient riverways that, you know, are named
[SPEAKER_00]: In ways that reflect Egyptian culture, and that I'm sure is not very far off with Romania.
[SPEAKER_00]: Either considering they both border the, what is that the Black Sea there?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's directly above Egypt, you know, through, I think that's Turkey there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if my geography serves me,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you're correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they also found just recently, and I don't know where that news story might, but they found some kind of in the black sea, they found like a remnants of like an ancient temple or something like underwater.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think, yeah, there was definitely some some lost disconnection there between, you know, what these places were used for.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: if you, if we just go back to this idea of a lanus or whatever happened or whoever if they were human or not, they really knew where all the hotspots were on the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: They knew how they were supposed to communicate with each other and not only communicate with each other, but they held a certain purpose.
[SPEAKER_01]: like the energy of Romania, of course, is not going to be the energy of Egypt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, is not going to be the energy of Ukraine or the southwest of America or Peru, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They held, if this was really an advanced civilization, these different parts of Earth would give off a certain frequency that they really knew it and they really knew how it worked, they would harness all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just kind of like we're talking about people now.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't try to make all the places around the earth have the same frequency, because then you can't get the earth to activate, just like you can't get people or species to activate.
[SPEAKER_01]: If everybody's trying to be the same frequency, or the same thought processing consciousness, however you want to translate that word.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really feel that way about these ancient places when we go there, I think if you've gone to a lot of them, you're like, whoa, that's so cool, but it's totally different than the other one, and there's a reason for that, and that's what makes it so sacred.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what makes us so sacred.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I really appreciate your thoughts on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And just one more thing to add to the Romanian Egypt connection.
[SPEAKER_00]: People from Romania are derogatory, you know, European history referred to as gypsies, which that
[SPEAKER_00]: gypsies were associated with that kind of stuff, so I don't think it's actually really that far off that there would be remnants more remnants of Egyptian culture in a place like Romanian and beyond and our idea of what is Egyptian.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or isn't maybe should change if we're seeing these things as they are, which were global civilizations, you know, whether Atlantis or otherwise, these cultures had more, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: surface area that they covered, so to speak consciously, then we give them credit for, you know, because of where their materials were left.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's so compelling, you know, you go down that rabbit hole of, you know, pyramids in place is beyond Egypt.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the obvious acknowledge ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then there's always, you know, the few stories here in there of like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh well, there's a pyramid in China.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one will let you talk about or visit and there's pyramids hidden in Russia out in the middle of nowhere that only like, you know, some backwards guide could take you to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and even in here in the United States, every now and then you'll see a picture or someone a hiker will be like, is this a pyramid in the Rocky Mountains?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, you know, a strange shape mountain that's oddly symmetrical and so on.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: So much to talk about Melissa, so little time, we definitely have to have you back on for another release conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But before we go, we want folks to watch the film illusion, tell people where they can watch the film, where they can get it, where it streams to and all that could stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're doing a community launch July 24th of the 26th.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can watch it for free, for 48 hours on our website www.halforstudios.com.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's just like the Egyptian goddess,
[SPEAKER_00]: awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to include that link in the episode description and I imagine there's more for people to check out as well at halforstudios.com.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't the first film you've created and I definitely want to have you back on to talk more about your thoughts on UFOs and aliens.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't get too far into that topic today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but anyways, thank you again, Melissa and until next episode folks, thank you for being here and wherever you are, immerse yourself in the moment wherever you are in the now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was our conversation with Melissa Tittle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't check out our film Allusion.
[SPEAKER_00]: It comes out at the end of the month.
[SPEAKER_00]: The link is in the episode description, mark it on your calendars, and check it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely gonna have her back on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably towards the end of the month.
[SPEAKER_00]: Help promote the film.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, we have any questions for Melissa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know.
[SPEAKER_00]: We will relay them in our next conversation until next episode of The Merchyself in the moment, wherever you are, in the moment.
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