WEBVTT 00:00.291 --> 00:07.720 [SPEAKER_02]: You are listening to the newly rebranded fire brusselo podcast presented by the bastards of Boston baseball. 00:08.300 --> 00:16.570 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Jason Kelly, I've got Matt and Doug alongside Red Sox beat the White Sox for game one of the series 8-1 your final score. 00:17.090 --> 00:23.093 [SPEAKER_02]: The offense showed a big time in Peyton's holy with another solid outing to get his fifth win of the year. 00:23.674 --> 00:31.318 [SPEAKER_02]: Red Sox has won 8 of their last 10 and 4 in a row, and now find themselves just three and a half games out of a wild card spot. 00:31.498 --> 00:36.361 [SPEAKER_02]: So, a little bit of a turn around here guys, obviously with this team, you never know. 00:36.901 --> 00:42.004 [SPEAKER_02]: They might be in the middle of a good streak here, or they might lose the next five games in a row before the all-star break. 00:42.524 --> 00:51.614 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really hard to tell, but at least for tonight, good game against a good team that, you know, a young, prickly team that is kind of finding their way there in Chicago. 00:51.675 --> 00:53.376 [SPEAKER_02]: So Matt, I'll start with you. 00:53.417 --> 00:56.560 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you feel about the offense sort of really showing up tonight? 00:57.361 --> 00:58.462 [SPEAKER_02]: Eight runs on 11 hits. 00:58.963 --> 01:00.705 [SPEAKER_02]: This is kind of the thing we need going forward, don't you think? 01:01.935 --> 01:02.755 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely. 01:02.775 --> 01:07.296 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, before I get too deep into it, the White Talks are a good team. 01:07.336 --> 01:17.158 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were to tell me at the beginning of the season that coming into this series, one of these teams, one of the Sox teams would be in first place and the other Sox team would be in last place. 01:17.738 --> 01:22.258 [SPEAKER_01]: I 100% would have thought the Red Sox would be coming in first place and the White Sox in last. 01:22.318 --> 01:25.019 [SPEAKER_01]: But of course, it's the opposite, right? 01:25.479 --> 01:26.919 [SPEAKER_01]: These White Sox are a young club. 01:26.959 --> 01:29.200 [SPEAKER_01]: They're filled with a lot of familiar faces. 01:29.240 --> 01:30.640 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll get into that a little bit later. 01:31.652 --> 01:32.513 [SPEAKER_01]: They're a good ball club. 01:32.793 --> 01:36.096 [SPEAKER_01]: Merloni called out some stats throughout the game heading into tonight. 01:36.116 --> 01:41.742 [SPEAKER_01]: There were 41 and 29 Since April 17 which is tied for the best in the AL since then. 01:41.762 --> 01:42.662 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is a good club. 01:42.682 --> 01:55.254 [SPEAKER_01]: They're 24 and six at home in their last 30 heading into tonight So yeah, once again this is a good ball club, and we obviously were the team coming in in last place tonight But hey 11 hits that's enough to get the job done most of the game. 01:55.294 --> 01:55.874 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking 01:56.576 --> 02:00.019 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, for runs, this is the type of offense we needed all year. 02:00.039 --> 02:07.165 [SPEAKER_01]: If we could just get to that for run mark, we're going to win more games than we lose because of course, totally was was dealing on the mound tonight. 02:07.185 --> 02:20.135 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into that later later on, but then, of course, we pour on four more, we double up in the ninth inning and I think everybody in the starting lineup got a hit, except Derbyn who did get a walk later and he put a lot of balls and play, but. 02:20.592 --> 02:23.255 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when everybody's getting hits, I mean, that was a good to see. 02:23.295 --> 02:29.941 [SPEAKER_01]: I felt like we were leading off the inning with a lot of hits or walks and, yeah, a couple of hard hit balls, couple of home runs tonight. 02:30.861 --> 02:31.422 [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting. 02:31.462 --> 02:35.666 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw Monastery, OC, Glur, and Durbin all in there tonight. 02:36.547 --> 02:38.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, Craig's big trade of the offseason. 02:39.569 --> 02:41.671 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not their best performance overall, but Cigua. 02:41.691 --> 02:42.893 [SPEAKER_01]: I think led the game off with the hit. 02:42.913 --> 02:43.773 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been doing just fine. 02:43.793 --> 02:45.195 [SPEAKER_01]: I have no complaints with him at the plate. 02:45.735 --> 02:47.456 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, good to see a couple long balls. 02:47.496 --> 02:49.016 [SPEAKER_01]: Good to see a lot of stolen base attempts. 02:49.076 --> 02:56.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I know we're going to talk probably about some former red socks from former familiar faces, but a couple stolen base attempts. 02:56.438 --> 03:00.019 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we got caught on a few, but it felt like we were picking on teal. 03:00.079 --> 03:02.080 [SPEAKER_01]: We can maybe talk about that later, right? 03:02.160 --> 03:03.540 [SPEAKER_01]: The way that they were trying to attack him. 03:03.940 --> 03:05.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Good thing to keep an eye in the rest of the series. 03:05.621 --> 03:09.262 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, eight runs will definitely get it done with this staff and the waist totally was pitching. 03:10.893 --> 03:29.547 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely not the I like the point you made to about that we're getting on the right away like the lead off guys, it felt like every inning, especially even in the first inning, you know, with a basis, we didn't get it, but obviously, you know, it didn't hurt us in the end, but they were they were they were just all over the pitching right away. 03:29.567 --> 03:33.791 [SPEAKER_00]: The every inning it seemed seemed every app at her every batter was just 03:34.512 --> 03:50.656 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, having good at bats and we're just jumping on guys pulling, pulling a lot balls down the line, getting doubles and it was great to see him on a stereo hit a home run, you know, early on in the game and the lineup just, it just looked, it looked really good. 03:51.156 --> 03:59.858 [SPEAKER_00]: It looked like a really good, you know, put together lineup, it looked like they have some, look like they have some swagger to them now a little bit though, they're getting 04:00.958 --> 04:11.063 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, if they're having a little bit camaraderie, I mean, Wilson, you know, kills the ball is just, you know, he's having a great season, you know, 20 home runs already. 04:12.504 --> 04:17.607 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think the projections were that no one on the team was even going to hit 20 home runs. 04:18.267 --> 04:19.608 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he's already got 20. 04:22.550 --> 04:28.313 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, when they come out and look like this, you know, I like our chances, you know, I really do. 04:28.373 --> 04:28.633 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, 04:29.646 --> 04:39.952 [SPEAKER_00]: the way the pitching is, the way to Holy Pitch, you know, we, we're like to see and get further, but, you know, when you give a guy like that support, you got to feel good about your chances. 04:40.913 --> 04:46.596 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you give the whole staff like this support over a stretch, you can see what happens. 04:47.176 --> 04:49.898 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, what, eight, a 10, 9 or 11, whatever it is. 04:49.958 --> 04:55.101 [SPEAKER_00]: And you can see all you have to do is give these guys a little bit of run support. 04:55.121 --> 04:55.981 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you don't even have to 05:00.138 --> 05:02.539 [SPEAKER_00]: And we could really put together some wins and some stretches. 05:02.979 --> 05:09.021 [SPEAKER_00]: And I know the town hasn't been the best teams in the league, but your schedule is what it is. 05:09.081 --> 05:13.742 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we're only, you said only a couple games back from the Wildcard. 05:13.782 --> 05:18.423 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're only like two games back from like second place in the division. 05:19.364 --> 05:21.925 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, something so, you know what I mean? 05:24.444 --> 05:36.540 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like, you know, saying, oh, I'm high in this team now or anything like that, but, you know, when the lineup really shows up and puts together at bats and we can compete with any team, we really can. 05:37.880 --> 05:38.941 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what it is. 05:38.981 --> 05:42.342 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what they did a great job tonight was making the pitchers work. 05:42.502 --> 05:46.644 [SPEAKER_01]: It took Schultz 18 pitches to get his first out in the first inning. 05:47.204 --> 05:51.386 [SPEAKER_01]: And even though we didn't get any runs home in that first inning, we left the basis load. 05:51.406 --> 05:52.527 [SPEAKER_01]: We had base load one out. 05:52.887 --> 05:57.429 [SPEAKER_01]: You like to get, you like to see a run home, but he threw 33 pitches in that first inning. 05:57.489 --> 06:00.130 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised he labored through five at the end of the day. 06:01.010 --> 06:05.493 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, mentioned 11 hits before, I think the seven walks probably deserves a lot of credit, too. 06:06.893 --> 06:10.375 [SPEAKER_01]: We've had all season maybe that 17 run game that we have for us Baltimore. 06:10.395 --> 06:14.257 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure Where that lies, but that's a you know 18 based runners. 06:14.737 --> 06:25.743 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no errors on the white socks side So they weren't given anything away But yeah, we're making the picture work for everything out there felt like there was always full counts even when we were falling behind in counts We were we're working it 06:26.483 --> 06:27.104 [SPEAKER_01]: Working at full. 06:27.144 --> 06:37.315 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that see their work that folk out in the first step out there So don continues just we did a little bit of everything right it felt like we had doubles We had dings we had dunks we had some buns. 06:37.795 --> 06:42.360 [SPEAKER_01]: We had some home runs in the what was it the seventh inning there was a 06:43.301 --> 06:52.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, the ninth inning where it was crazy back to back doubles off each foul line, um, just just while stuff to rain, had kind of a crazy blue double there, too. 06:52.089 --> 06:55.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Like to see him swim in the bat, a little bit better coming out of Anaheim. 06:55.512 --> 06:59.796 [SPEAKER_01]: I think if we're going to try to continue make a run, he's going to have to be a key part of it. 06:59.816 --> 07:03.159 [SPEAKER_01]: We've mentioned this before as he goes the offense goes. 07:03.239 --> 07:03.480 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 07:03.980 --> 07:11.624 [SPEAKER_01]: If he can find a way to step it up here, move in forward, that's a huge addition to the offense as well, just from him being there and playing better. 07:11.704 --> 07:15.086 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, everybody was on base, traffic on the base bats all night long. 07:15.646 --> 07:24.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, of course, you mix in the starting performance from totally, like I said, pretty good, it's a pretty good recipe for success there, making the starting, the other starting pitchers work. 07:25.111 --> 07:26.472 [SPEAKER_01]: making them work from the stretch. 07:26.652 --> 07:33.857 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we got thrown out a couple of times on some steals, which I don't know if I love, but again, Tield not known for his defensive prowl. 07:33.897 --> 07:36.558 [SPEAKER_01]: I think tonight actually he threw out his first two runners the season. 07:37.119 --> 07:37.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Not sure. 07:37.499 --> 07:41.562 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Wilson on the steal attempt and then I'll bring you, you know, Tield made a good throw there. 07:41.622 --> 07:43.543 [SPEAKER_01]: He was over nine heading into tonight though. 07:44.003 --> 07:45.124 [SPEAKER_01]: So I like the pressure. 07:45.164 --> 07:49.246 [SPEAKER_01]: I always like the pressure and yeah, we're putting balls and play and good things were happening for us. 07:50.107 --> 07:51.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd rather than keep trying to steal. 07:52.547 --> 07:55.034 [SPEAKER_01]: and get thrown out them to not be aggressive. 07:55.705 --> 07:57.686 [SPEAKER_01]: absolutely outside of contraris. 07:57.867 --> 08:00.128 [SPEAKER_01]: I do like everybody with with the green light there. 08:00.268 --> 08:04.391 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they're going to continue to attack him here in games two and three of the series for sure. 08:04.411 --> 08:05.532 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't be surprised. 08:05.572 --> 08:08.214 [SPEAKER_01]: They actually didn't really have all that traffic. 08:08.294 --> 08:11.096 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like a ton of base dealing opportunities per se. 08:12.117 --> 08:18.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus I think they were, you know, they were in command of the strike zone and Schultz really wasn't. 08:19.062 --> 08:20.243 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have his best stuff tonight. 08:20.263 --> 08:20.823 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's a young 08:25.733 --> 08:41.769 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's just a young pitcher, but if we can continue to have bats like that where, you know, if nothing else, the outcome is six or seven pitches thrown, then I think that's going to be good because that pile is up quickly and you get to the bullpen quickly and then anything can happen at that point. 08:42.943 --> 08:43.163 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 08:43.784 --> 08:44.685 [SPEAKER_02]: The approach was great. 08:45.465 --> 08:54.855 [SPEAKER_02]: For me, the approach is what I really appreciate because you have this kid, Noah Schultz, who's, you know, their top pitching prospect, but he just came back from the IL with a knee injury. 08:54.915 --> 08:58.558 [SPEAKER_02]: So I love the fact they made him throw 30 pitches in that first inning. 08:58.738 --> 08:59.820 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what you want to do. 08:59.840 --> 09:02.482 [SPEAKER_02]: You got this young kid who's just off the IL. 09:02.522 --> 09:05.425 [SPEAKER_02]: He wants to make a good return and they were grinding. 09:05.605 --> 09:06.506 [SPEAKER_02]: They were grinding at bats. 09:06.526 --> 09:07.467 [SPEAKER_02]: They were making him work. 09:08.268 --> 09:13.492 [SPEAKER_02]: I even love Satan trying to lay down a bunch, you know, like second batter of the game, you got to run around first base. 09:13.552 --> 09:21.939 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you guys said, keep bringing the pressure because, you know, you don't know how this kid's going to respond to that and he didn't respond very well at all. 09:22.599 --> 09:25.902 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he did still grind out the rest of the game at five innings, but 09:26.382 --> 09:42.250 [SPEAKER_02]: They made a tough on him, and I love the fact that they were mixing everything in, like they knew they were playing in a hit or friendly park, Merloni, send out broadcasts like that place is a launching pad, it's a big reason why the white socks haven't so much access, they've got, you know, the second best offense in the American League. 09:42.690 --> 09:44.051 [SPEAKER_02]: a big part of it is that ballpark. 09:44.131 --> 09:45.271 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a hit or friendly part. 09:45.791 --> 09:55.275 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, say it on hits one out and, you know, you get the long ball going, but also, I love, you know, the bunch of times, Connor Wong's bonnet temp was great. 09:55.995 --> 10:02.258 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I think he's one back the catcher job permanently at this point, because frankly, I don't care that he's not hitting home runs. 10:02.738 --> 10:06.240 [SPEAKER_02]: He's sitting too 90 and he's still playing pretty good defense find the play. 10:06.300 --> 10:06.700 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not as 10:12.322 --> 10:20.585 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, if you can contribute in small ways, you know, with those kind of buns and just, you know, keeping that batting average up, keeping the offense moving, I'm fine with that. 10:20.645 --> 10:21.766 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't need him to hit home runs. 10:22.406 --> 10:24.447 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's been a positive development too. 10:25.388 --> 10:27.469 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the white socks actually played that fun pretty well. 10:27.510 --> 10:32.093 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a good throw or a good catch by teal there, probably gets to ran. 10:32.173 --> 10:36.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's even only on third because of the passball from teal too, which I think they called it a wild pitch. 10:36.836 --> 10:39.238 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think a good catcher comes up with that. 10:40.199 --> 10:45.923 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, especially at that first inning too, with the bases loaded, then they come right back with two bombs, it's a three-nothing lead. 10:46.063 --> 10:51.687 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that when we get a lead, especially multiple run lead with some of these arms on the mound, 10:52.227 --> 11:21.735 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... you name the starter right you just give them a lead and you let them go to work uh... i mean totally was just dealing uh... it was great to see especially like you said sedan swinging the ball well uh... the bat well and long i'll take him back i i guess i kind of miss what we had when we didn't see him for a while there he's actually been a pretty decent player overall i know he had some injuries last year or year before with his wrist and that's probably why uh... what led to some of his offensive struggles there but yet doing just fine behind the plate no issues with 11:22.172 --> 11:32.719 [SPEAKER_01]: the way Wong's been playing and outside of that base starting misshap I guess after the but two right because who is a crazy play after got thrown away and then mix up on the base pass there with him in Monastery. 11:32.759 --> 11:40.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately we're still in up with a runner on second and no issues there on that that misshap on the bases. 11:40.484 --> 11:45.087 [SPEAKER_01]: But overall all my good game will take eight runs will take 11 hits. 11:45.267 --> 11:46.748 [SPEAKER_01]: We love to see it actually hopefully 11:47.423 --> 12:13.864 [SPEAKER_01]: it's the type of game that can give the hitter's confidence because that mentality baseball is a very mental sport give them the mentality that hey we can do this we can have a success with this line up with this approach and they can just build on that moving forward you know young guys need that yeah hopefully you know propells on the win this series you know at the very least you know but now you you can look at this like we you know we have the chance on another sweep here 12:15.306 --> 12:20.149 [SPEAKER_00]: And last year, they had a 10 game winning streak to go into the All-Star break. 12:21.410 --> 12:24.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Also, we had a pretty good second half. 12:24.472 --> 12:27.173 [SPEAKER_00]: And there's guys on that. 12:27.193 --> 12:30.696 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of guys on the team from last year that were part of that winning streak. 12:30.796 --> 12:33.998 [SPEAKER_00]: And say, Don was the big reason here. 12:34.018 --> 12:39.141 [SPEAKER_00]: Those couple crazy walk-offs in that stretch and had that huge home run that night. 12:39.221 --> 12:42.323 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was the last game here, 12:45.616 --> 13:10.461 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they can be looking at this series right now with the pitch and we have with you know the way the white socks are playing that you know this could be another sweep and we could really gain some momentum going into this into this break and we can give our pitching some relief you know finally give them some runs and take a big break take a big deep breath on you know on the break we don't have that many guys going you know which. 13:12.501 --> 13:34.683 [SPEAKER_00]: a couple snubs, but, you know, I think when you're last police team, you kind of get it, you know, but, you know, we need to win this series and I think I really like the way they're playing going into the break and it can really help us, you know, if they want to make a push at this wildcard, it starts now, you know, you can't wait till after the break it, these games are crucial. 13:36.430 --> 13:37.751 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you actually stole some of my thunder. 13:37.771 --> 13:38.191 [SPEAKER_01]: They're duggy. 13:38.211 --> 13:40.233 [SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, that was their best baseball last year. 13:40.273 --> 13:41.434 [SPEAKER_01]: Head into the break going. 13:41.474 --> 13:42.835 [SPEAKER_01]: We were riding really high last year. 13:42.855 --> 13:44.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Head into the break when intended a row. 13:45.176 --> 13:51.081 [SPEAKER_01]: And despite how this team has been playing this year, I can totally see them going in hot into the break again. 13:51.121 --> 13:55.444 [SPEAKER_01]: This year, you know, even if we just split these next two against the white socks, we have the mats coming up. 13:55.884 --> 13:56.985 [SPEAKER_01]: They've been struggling. 13:57.826 --> 14:02.309 [SPEAKER_01]: I always like our chances better on the road for whatever reason the socks have to see the play better. 14:02.989 --> 14:15.262 [SPEAKER_01]: The farther they are from Fenway, but yeah, if they were to even ride this out and go into the break on another winning streak of 7 or 8 or however, I mean that would be, I guess, a 10 gamer or 9 in a row, if that were to happen that wouldn't surprise me at all. 14:15.282 --> 14:16.023 [SPEAKER_01]: My concern is. 14:16.663 --> 14:22.326 [SPEAKER_01]: the same thing that happened last year, which is, you know, we're playing our best baseball, and then you ice us for four days. 14:22.346 --> 14:24.507 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not playing baseball for four days during that break. 14:24.907 --> 14:33.631 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we come back, I think we have the raise when we come back this year from the break, but, you know, we want 10 in a row last year, heading into it, and then came off the break, 2 and 5, right? 14:33.651 --> 14:34.912 [SPEAKER_01]: Stumble that of the gates there. 14:35.352 --> 14:43.276 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that's heading right into the trade deadline, which, I mean, this is, you know, this is, we don't really know exactly what's going to happen on this trade deadline. 14:43.956 --> 15:02.141 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, three and a half back, if we continue to win a couple games now, through the break here, you know, maybe we can gain another game or two until that time and yeah, that's my only concern is we'll be playing good baseball and then, you know, we have to take a four game break and come back against the raise and try to spark it back up again. 15:02.241 --> 15:05.882 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, to your point, Doug, we got to take these wins when we can get them. 15:05.902 --> 15:09.423 [SPEAKER_01]: We have to, there's not much margin for error here moving forward. 15:11.209 --> 15:18.213 [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the ALE's right now, the red socks are in the middle of a good streak here at the perfect time. 15:18.894 --> 15:21.475 [SPEAKER_02]: Apart from the rays, the rest of your division is floundering. 15:22.076 --> 15:23.777 [SPEAKER_02]: The Yankees of Lost ate at the last 10. 15:24.377 --> 15:26.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Toronto is lost seven of their last 10. 15:26.799 --> 15:28.640 [SPEAKER_02]: Baltimore is lost six of their last 10. 15:29.380 --> 15:36.745 [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the perfect time to make up some ground in your division and in the wall card race, because other teams in the wall card are starting to flounder, too. 15:37.425 --> 15:39.327 [SPEAKER_02]: so just take care of business. 15:39.567 --> 15:52.456 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't have to, you know, I would love a sweep of the white socks and the mats, but, you know, if you take two or three from Chicago and then go on to sweep the mats, which you can do, then that's huge going into the break. 15:52.476 --> 15:55.939 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the Yankees without judge right now are struggling, like big time. 15:57.000 --> 16:05.748 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you can leapfrog them and then, you know, before you know it, you're chasing Tampa, which, you know, I think Tampa is far in a way a better team than you right now, but who knows? 16:06.028 --> 16:17.579 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, with your pitching, you go into a series against Tampa, maybe you're pitching shuts them down and, you know, you're able to pick up a win, maybe two in that series, and all of a sudden, your season outlook looks totally different. 16:18.139 --> 16:21.903 [SPEAKER_02]: So, this is the perfect time for them to get hot and, you know, 16:22.003 --> 16:24.865 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, again, they're taking care of business when they need to, right? 16:25.305 --> 16:29.708 [SPEAKER_02]: You go into that angel series, the angels are trash, they're terrible. 16:30.068 --> 16:35.352 [SPEAKER_02]: And if the Red Sox had even just only one, two of three, I would have been disappointed. 16:35.452 --> 16:38.414 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I would have come away with that, like, really, you let the angels get one over on you. 16:38.494 --> 16:39.435 [SPEAKER_02]: But they didn't. 16:39.775 --> 16:42.577 [SPEAKER_02]: They swung the bats really well and they killed that team over the weekend. 16:43.117 --> 16:46.099 [SPEAKER_02]: So the momentum is absolutely going in the right direction. 16:46.279 --> 16:48.301 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, it's just nice that 16:49.181 --> 16:53.606 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now, you don't have Marcelo Meyer, you don't have Roman Anthony, you don't have Garicor Shag. 16:54.286 --> 16:58.150 [SPEAKER_02]: And honestly, those guys are kind of the first thing for my mind right now. 16:58.731 --> 17:06.438 [SPEAKER_02]: When I watch a steam because, you know, I'm not telling you that Anthony Seekor is going to hit 350 Thresla season, but he's doing his part. 17:07.039 --> 17:10.923 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, Matt, you brought up earlier, if Jiren Duran can start to really turn around here. 17:11.243 --> 17:12.124 [SPEAKER_02]: the power's been there. 17:12.324 --> 17:14.746 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got 13 homers, so he's hidden for power. 17:15.146 --> 17:30.298 [SPEAKER_02]: He can't seem to get that average up consistently, but who knows, maybe he starts hitting the bat well and maybe he needs a little bit of a break too, so maybe the awesome break is coming at a good time for a guy like that who we know plays really hard all the time. 17:31.106 --> 17:39.856 [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's heading in the right direction, and look, the obvious elephant to the room here is you're going to lose Wilson Contreras, probably for a couple of games here. 17:39.876 --> 17:47.485 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know yet, I haven't checked Twitter, I haven't seen any announcements about his suspension, but I'm guessing he's still going to get at least four or five games. 17:49.107 --> 17:58.750 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to suck because obviously he's when your hottest hitters right now, and he's on a heat wave too, you know, being named to the All-Star team obviously means a lot to him, the way he was talking about it tonight. 17:59.330 --> 18:07.353 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's going to hurt, but honestly, you know, if they can just keep going with the approach they went with tonight, I mean, this kid's 18:12.875 --> 18:14.677 [SPEAKER_02]: Both home runs hate tonight, run the break-in-ball. 18:15.117 --> 18:17.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Raphaella was all over it, Monastery was all over it. 18:17.780 --> 18:20.262 [SPEAKER_02]: So, that's game planning. 18:20.663 --> 18:34.956 [SPEAKER_02]: That's something that we haven't seen really this year, because I feel like when they were really bad, and they were in the middle of a losing streak, we were sitting on this podcast going, so these guys, game-planted all, do they scout opposing pictures or opposing teams at all, because it feels like they did. 18:35.737 --> 18:36.718 [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight was the opposite. 18:36.758 --> 18:39.661 [SPEAKER_02]: Tonight feels like they knew what this kid was bringing. 18:40.202 --> 18:43.105 [SPEAKER_02]: And they knew what to wait for, they knew what to jump on, and they did it. 18:43.686 --> 18:46.148 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was a great offensive approach. 18:46.749 --> 18:54.878 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, we'll see, you know, the coming days, you're going to lose Wilson Contreras, but I still think, you know, with this pitching staff, you, you know, four or five runs. 18:55.318 --> 19:16.445 [SPEAKER_02]: it's all you need and the pitching staff will carry you and we saw that tonight even Peyton toldy who first couple of innings really shaky you know the command was all over the place he was riding the counts full and I was sitting up thinking this could be a short night for toldy like he might be done by the third fourth inning managed to go six again you know just 19:17.288 --> 19:42.975 [SPEAKER_02]: grind it out you know and that's that's what Peyton told us done this year when he doesn't have his best stuff he still is able to grind and you know once he gets to swing and miss going he just he becomes really hard to hit so another really solid outing from Toli and I think you know that's a guy that you're going to need going forward because again we don't know trade deadline coming up is sunny grace still going to be here in in a couple weeks we have no idea right so I thought 19:47.733 --> 19:48.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely. 19:48.414 --> 19:51.517 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had a high pitch count in those six endings. 19:51.597 --> 19:54.960 [SPEAKER_00]: I think he went 91, you know, but only the two hits. 19:55.841 --> 20:03.048 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and he's really proven that his fastball works and he can really move it. 20:03.148 --> 20:04.689 [SPEAKER_00]: He can really locate it at times. 20:05.150 --> 20:07.672 [SPEAKER_00]: When he's not locating it, it doesn't look so pretty. 20:09.174 --> 20:10.135 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it really doesn't. 20:10.555 --> 20:11.476 [SPEAKER_00]: He's, but, 20:13.185 --> 20:17.207 [SPEAKER_00]: But when it does, he looks great, and he can really work strikes. 20:18.067 --> 20:32.752 [SPEAKER_00]: I love pictures, that throw strikes, and his strike out haven't been as high lately as I have before, but he's trusting his defense behind him, he's trusting his stuff to keep it in the park. 20:33.953 --> 20:39.175 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's pitching great, he looks great, he looks like he has command of the mound, he looks 20:43.547 --> 20:48.932 [SPEAKER_00]: And you give him a couple of runs and, you know, he seems to get feet off that energy. 20:49.252 --> 20:54.697 [SPEAKER_00]: He's definitely a vibes guy and energy guy, you know, he definitely likes the team to rally around Omen. 20:55.337 --> 20:57.019 [SPEAKER_00]: He loves to be a part of that. 20:57.079 --> 20:59.340 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that helps him, you know, that's great. 20:59.380 --> 21:04.665 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think our team's showing that they have some camaraderie that they look together and 21:05.237 --> 21:17.499 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that helps the guy like Peyton told me it helps a young pitcher to know that the team is behind him, even if he doesn't have his best stuff, even if he doesn't have the best outing, this team is behind him and the coaching staffs behind him. 21:18.379 --> 21:25.761 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't think he was far off, you know, from being in all style, he's that caliber right now. 21:25.861 --> 21:31.302 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you're given just three, four runs, that's all he needs. 21:32.997 --> 21:41.342 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, another another stellar outing from another rookie, you know, it's just whoever they throw an out there right now seems to be making it work. 21:43.543 --> 21:49.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, loved what I saw it a totally tonight, especially coming off his last out in the clunker of Earth's The Nationals, right? 21:49.427 --> 21:57.312 [SPEAKER_01]: I love to see a bounce back game and he only had that one walk in the first inning and two hits after that and he was Cruz Cruz and 21:57.806 --> 22:18.580 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he gave him a second hit in the forth inning and then that was it and you know his strikeouts he only had a couple strikeouts throughout those first few innings and then started a pile of them on late ended up with six but yeah any time you're going six shot out you're giving your team a chance to win only three base runners the entire game so I felt like he was just dealing knock it into too much trouble 22:19.320 --> 22:39.601 [SPEAKER_01]: he was grinding but also not working that hard right he didn't have to work at a too much trouble um they did work some tough counts on him you know 91 pitches through six I think he had 21 or 22 in that first inning so that's 70 or 69 to that last five innings which is a little more tolerable but you know he did his job without a doubt these guys it feels like everyone 22:40.502 --> 22:50.423 [SPEAKER_01]: That we put in the starting rotation seems to be doing their job especially once we sent Bay of down everybody's just been doing their thing outside of of course early and then swore as going out with 22:50.892 --> 23:02.515 [SPEAKER_01]: their elbow soreness there, but yeah, really just another encouraging start from Toli, I always like to see when pictures go deep into games and get better as they move along, right? 23:02.555 --> 23:18.119 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when you start to see them line up a second or third time around, that's when hitters know, oh, you through that the last time or, you know, especially a guy like Toli who relies heavily on his fastball mix up whether it's fastball sync or cutter, I think the healing throws off be like 10% of 23:21.341 --> 23:31.572 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, typically, guys can struggle that second or even, especially third time through the lineup, but he seemed to be settled and right in, his second hit he gave up was in the fourth inning, and then he was cruising. 23:31.592 --> 23:36.117 [SPEAKER_01]: So almost three perfect innings at the end of his run there. 23:36.878 --> 23:40.362 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, any time you see pictures doing that, that means they're in a groove. 23:40.402 --> 23:46.009 [SPEAKER_01]: That means they're really settling in and it's not necessarily on the luck where they're first time to the lineup. 23:46.349 --> 23:51.835 [SPEAKER_01]: They were lights out and then the second time through all the batters got a good read on them and starting to put them in play. 23:52.236 --> 23:53.998 [SPEAKER_01]: Seems like kind of the opposite here where. 23:54.478 --> 23:57.919 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, not that he struggled us first time through, but, you know, gave a couple of hits. 23:57.939 --> 24:01.601 [SPEAKER_01]: I think in the first time around, and obviously that walk in the first inning. 24:01.641 --> 24:10.244 [SPEAKER_01]: But really settled in, and, you know, the bullpen came in, Colun got into some trouble there in the six, but Watson and Slay didn't got the job done. 24:10.264 --> 24:11.305 [SPEAKER_01]: They were able to shut the door. 24:11.745 --> 24:15.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, when we put up that four spot in the ninth, we didn't need Chapman at that time. 24:15.947 --> 24:16.147 [SPEAKER_01]: But, 24:16.747 --> 24:26.130 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really, you know, the dynamic of the season kind of changing right before our very eyes here, this wacky season, this wacky American league. 24:26.230 --> 24:33.893 [SPEAKER_01]: But if we can continue to pitch like that, if totally continued to give us pitching out and it's like that, that's certainly going to give our team a chance to win. 24:33.913 --> 24:38.075 [SPEAKER_01]: It's up to the offense to get that four five run benchmark for us. 24:38.855 --> 24:44.077 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, at this point, the way that we've been playing here these last few weeks, want to see 24:45.554 --> 25:14.324 [SPEAKER_01]: crochet come back to your point Jason you know Roman Anthony I'm not losing much sleep over him I'm not thinking too much about what he's up to but I would like to see crochet come back obviously especially with early going out hitting the 10 day I L or 15 day I L definitely get a miss a week or two at least minimum swore as we're still not sure classic red socks I was not too bad we're not sure but anytime any of these guys hit the I L I'm concerned 25:14.915 --> 25:29.611 [SPEAKER_01]: it seems fortunate that sand of all is going to make his first parents as a red sock here right in the next couple days but if crochet can find a way to come back and be a good pitcher step in line here with the current arms we have while early and swore as get back 25:30.031 --> 25:54.526 [SPEAKER_01]: you know and we can have some sort of I mean we at least need five good arms in the rotation but maybe get that number up to six now you have that sixth arm probably looking like sunny gray wear you can buy and sell at the same time um not that I think that the guy in charge can do it but that opens up a lot more opportunities if you have six good starters no matter where you are in the standings but absolutely you know if if um 25:55.206 --> 25:57.027 [SPEAKER_01]: I really am across my fingers now. 25:57.087 --> 26:04.311 [SPEAKER_01]: I know there's not many updates around Crochet, but I'm hoping that he can find a way to come back and help contribute here the second half. 26:05.731 --> 26:06.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, definitely. 26:08.553 --> 26:10.174 [SPEAKER_00]: The same way, I'm not really thinking about Roman. 26:11.234 --> 26:12.335 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not against Roman. 26:12.355 --> 26:15.156 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not one of these guys that's given up on Roman or anything like that. 26:15.536 --> 26:16.937 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's just not really in my mind. 26:16.977 --> 26:18.118 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really thinking about him. 26:23.058 --> 26:29.901 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, he was obviously a little shaky at the beginning of the season, but I trust him, you know, he's in ACE, he's a real ACE. 26:30.801 --> 26:40.905 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, adding in ACE to an already, you know, really good pitching staff that's really performing well, you know, can only help, you know, it can't hurt you. 26:41.745 --> 26:46.367 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think him coming back would be a huge, huge bump for this team, definitely. 26:47.826 --> 26:51.870 [SPEAKER_02]: So, in terms of toldy's outing, I agree with what you guys are saying. 26:51.890 --> 26:55.054 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just good to see him go out there and get better as the game goes on. 26:55.594 --> 26:58.858 [SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting timing because I wanted to talk about his velocity and 26:59.554 --> 27:21.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Maverick 97 in our chat just said that I guess Jacob Mizrailsky from the brewer tonight through a pitch that registered at 107.5 miles per hour, which is insane and I hate to do this to your brewer's fans, but enjoy that kid while he's healthy because you want to talk about a Tommy John candidate with how thin he is. 27:21.747 --> 27:23.108 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not just going to hurt his elbow. 27:23.188 --> 27:25.549 [SPEAKER_02]: His arm is going to explode off his body. 27:25.590 --> 27:27.691 [SPEAKER_02]: That's some point with what he has done. 27:28.971 --> 27:36.253 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's interesting because one thing I liked out of totally tonight, he didn't come out throwing 100-101, which we know he's capable of. 27:36.733 --> 27:41.954 [SPEAKER_02]: He started out throwing 96-97, and he was able to maintain that later on in the game. 27:42.074 --> 27:52.097 [SPEAKER_02]: We've seen totally a few times this year, he comes out, especially some of those big starts against the Yankees, comes out throwing 100, the first inning, then it's like 98-99 27:58.358 --> 28:00.880 [SPEAKER_02]: and we're sitting or going, oh boy, what's going on? 28:00.900 --> 28:06.623 [SPEAKER_02]: Where's the velocity, and I feel like he's finally getting to a point where he's controlling his velocity. 28:06.663 --> 28:12.947 [SPEAKER_02]: He knows that, okay, if I come out of the gates throwing a hundred by the fifth inning, why I'm just going to be tired, and I'm not going to have it. 28:13.388 --> 28:18.431 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'd like to see that tonight he came out throwing 96, 97, that's still good enough. 28:18.931 --> 28:21.033 [SPEAKER_02]: to be, you know, big league hitters to get it by them. 28:21.213 --> 28:32.384 [SPEAKER_02]: So really encouraging to see that I think that's something that if you can continue to kind of teach himself to, you know, slow it down in the beginning, maybe save some of those bullets for later on. 28:32.805 --> 28:35.668 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to make him so much better going forward. 28:36.427 --> 28:43.251 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he was consistently hitting those velocity numbers all throughout the game and I grease 96 97 in particular. 28:43.271 --> 28:46.113 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right where you want to live and just focus on the location. 28:46.613 --> 28:51.696 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're pinpointing 97 that's based, you know, that's feels like that's 100 to these guys that's. 28:52.296 --> 29:19.096 [SPEAKER_01]: good pitching and especially since he's so heavily on the fastball he's going to need to rely on his velocity but he doesn't have to rely on 99100 if he is locating especially when he gets those because those cutters have some depth to right they don't just run in they actually drop a little bit so it's kind of like almost a little cutter sinker type pitch and then he obviously has the sinker and then the straight heater got a lot of swings and misses I thought on top at 29:21.057 --> 29:22.038 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's really the thing. 29:22.078 --> 29:23.459 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he comes out with energy. 29:23.799 --> 29:28.801 [SPEAKER_01]: We know he's having fun out there And yeah, it seems like he comes out a little bit more regulated. 29:28.821 --> 29:36.405 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if maybe the day game had something to do with it The nationals, I think are actually the best team in the game against left-handed hitters. 29:36.425 --> 29:46.711 [SPEAKER_01]: So that doesn't help you, obviously But again, love to see the bounce back game and yeah, if you're living at 97 and he can find a way to just Consistently do that 29:47.131 --> 30:08.676 [SPEAKER_01]: throughout the game whether it's his first pitch or his 91st pitch consistent velocity consistent location and you know, obviously lean and have heavily on those fast balls the location and the mix up of okay, am I coming in cutter in or am I going to maybe find a way to run that sinker off the front door to those right handed hitters right I love to see him 30:09.657 --> 30:13.119 [SPEAKER_01]: continue to lean into those pitches and continue to develop. 30:13.159 --> 30:17.642 [SPEAKER_01]: But as long as he's given you six plus, I'm really happy with what he's doing. 30:18.182 --> 30:20.364 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I don't really care much about the velocity. 30:20.424 --> 30:22.385 [SPEAKER_01]: I just like those innings. 30:22.685 --> 30:27.648 [SPEAKER_01]: And before early went down, him and totally were really doing a good job eating up a lot of innings for the staff. 30:28.509 --> 30:35.253 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's a long season and it's really hard to avoid injuries and we're starting to, they're starting to pile up here on the staff move forward. 30:35.313 --> 30:35.593 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 30:36.418 --> 30:40.301 [SPEAKER_01]: we'll take these wins when we get them though and looking forward to all these next turn around the lineup. 30:43.423 --> 30:54.370 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that I mean just you know what Matt said it's just it's great to see he's a horse you know you can put them out there and expect 90 pitches every time you know when 30:55.190 --> 31:07.219 [SPEAKER_00]: whether he's even, you know, has his best stuff or not, you can kind of leave only unless he's getting lit up, even if he's given up three, maybe four, you can keep him in there and you still know you can get nine beyond of them. 31:08.059 --> 31:15.124 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just a workhorse, you know, and we're going to ride this young guy and we trust him. 31:15.384 --> 31:19.667 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the fan, I think we trust him, I think the team trust them, the staff trust them. 31:20.308 --> 31:20.968 [SPEAKER_00]: And if he can keep 31:24.111 --> 31:29.037 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's huge for the bullpen because it, you know, a race is on middle-releaf problem. 31:30.499 --> 31:34.925 [SPEAKER_00]: And the more they can do that, the more likely the, you know, more likely for wins. 31:36.527 --> 31:38.810 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and, you know, the thing about throwing 96.97. 31:40.635 --> 31:43.516 [SPEAKER_02]: Keep in mind, Peyton's always in the 90th percentile and extension. 31:44.056 --> 31:47.076 [SPEAKER_02]: So with that kind of extension, 97 looks like 103. 31:47.556 --> 31:51.637 [SPEAKER_02]: So he doesn't need to be going out there or doing what Jacob is, or else he's doing. 31:51.657 --> 31:52.897 [SPEAKER_02]: Misrowski doesn't need to either. 31:52.937 --> 31:54.758 [SPEAKER_02]: He's in the 90th percentile of extension. 31:54.838 --> 31:57.018 [SPEAKER_02]: So 107 coming from that. 31:57.158 --> 32:00.139 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Jesus, I can't imagine what that looks like. 32:00.679 --> 32:02.719 [SPEAKER_02]: But for totally, he doesn't need to be doing that. 32:02.759 --> 32:07.320 [SPEAKER_02]: If he can go deeper into games, like you guys are saying, kind of wipe out that middle relief problem 32:10.341 --> 32:15.848 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, use your extension, use your natural ability and just save the bolts for later. 32:16.048 --> 32:17.650 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that would be huge for him. 32:18.573 --> 32:38.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and just in addition to that, if he could just continue because we saw flashes of those off-speed pitches early in the season, and then it seems like he's really abandoned them lately, but man, if he came work on some sort of sliders, we per curveball, or improve on that pitch, I mean, now he's a really dangerous pitcher, right? 32:38.104 --> 32:39.105 [SPEAKER_01]: That extension, you're right. 32:39.125 --> 32:40.526 [SPEAKER_01]: The extension makes it feel like 32:41.566 --> 32:52.815 [SPEAKER_01]: 100 mono three so he could probably even live at 96 97 if he's got that fourth third or fourth pitch in his repertoire But you know, hey, look he's fine in ways to get out to the major league level. 32:52.855 --> 33:03.783 [SPEAKER_01]: He's fine in ways to go deep in the game And let's not forget this guy's just your rookie it feels like he's a veteran already He doesn't look like a rookie out there and you know what he's having fun and I think the team has fun around him too 33:04.618 --> 33:18.874 [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely fun watching him play even though despite the season we've been having it's it's a fun fun watching him play It's fun watching all of our starters of the mound honestly, so we just took it to one of the better teams in baseball here on the road and Hopefully we keep it going here in the series 33:20.406 --> 33:26.267 [SPEAKER_02]: So before we get to the pitching matchup for tomorrow, you guys both mentioned Garic Roche. 33:26.448 --> 33:37.550 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, this series is going to remind us a lot of that trade, because Chase Mydrauth is an everyday player over there for Chicago, Brandon Montgomery has made his debut, Kyle Teele. 33:37.830 --> 33:39.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, there are everyday capture. 33:39.631 --> 33:42.592 [SPEAKER_02]: And then Wickham and Gonzales, I think he's the guy that a lot of people forget about. 33:42.972 --> 33:46.052 [SPEAKER_02]: But 23-year-olds, reliever, he's in their minor league system. 33:46.072 --> 33:47.793 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think he's working his way back from an injury. 33:48.253 --> 33:52.236 [SPEAKER_02]: but pretty good numbers down in AAA, he'll probably be up with a big league club. 33:52.736 --> 33:53.396 [SPEAKER_02]: Pretty soon. 33:53.957 --> 34:00.661 [SPEAKER_02]: So one thing I wanted to ask, because obviously crochet has been hurt most of the season before he went down, he would didn't look so great. 34:01.421 --> 34:04.583 [SPEAKER_02]: And when we made the trade for crochet, we were all happy about it. 34:04.643 --> 34:11.828 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we could all agree that was a good trade because we didn't have a nice, and we didn't know about Connolly Early or Payton 34:15.190 --> 34:16.431 [SPEAKER_02]: Sunic Ray wasn't here yet. 34:16.992 --> 34:22.797 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, people were still expecting Brian Bale to take a next step forward, and obviously that doesn't look like it's going to happen. 34:23.438 --> 34:37.931 [SPEAKER_02]: So knowing what we know now about early and totally knowing that we've got Ranger Suarez here for the next five years, obviously Sunic Ray is just a, you know, he's he's not going to be here for very long, but and you know, Jake Bennett too knowing what we know about that. 34:38.773 --> 34:43.274 [SPEAKER_02]: Would you, at this moment, go back and reverse the Garacrochet trade? 34:43.614 --> 34:50.736 [SPEAKER_02]: Knowing what you know now about, the pictures in your system and how they've come along, would you go back and undo that trade and get those players back? 34:51.736 --> 34:51.976 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 34:53.397 --> 34:55.437 [SPEAKER_00]: I would, I still trust the nates. 34:56.437 --> 35:04.179 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, I think hindsight's 2020, you know, yeah, these players can turn out to be good, but I think when you can get your hands on a nace, 35:07.823 --> 35:09.264 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to be able to take chances. 35:09.644 --> 35:14.986 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you're a GM in all of sports, you got to be willing to make risks. 35:16.007 --> 35:17.588 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a risk you take. 35:18.448 --> 35:25.731 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe these players turn out to be something, but this guy is something, and we can bring him onto our team right now and have a real ace. 35:25.811 --> 35:28.993 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you made that move pretty much every time. 35:30.995 --> 35:31.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great question. 35:31.736 --> 35:35.801 [SPEAKER_01]: Before I answer, it give my take outside of the crochet trade. 35:35.821 --> 35:38.283 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some other familiar faces over on the socks, right? 35:38.303 --> 35:42.348 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw a guy Jordan McKinley Hicks, who we got back in the Debra's trade. 35:42.388 --> 35:44.791 [SPEAKER_01]: He's now a pitcher for the White Sox pitch against us tonight. 35:45.672 --> 35:49.556 [SPEAKER_01]: Andrew Ben and Temdi, who obviously came up one with us in 2018. 35:49.596 --> 35:50.778 [SPEAKER_01]: He's bounced around a little, but. 35:51.198 --> 36:14.648 [SPEAKER_01]: the highest free paid free agent from the White Sox history and then Miguel Vargas, I don't know if most people know this, but He is on the White Sox because of a guy by the name of Michael Copac who was one of the pieces that we flipped in the Chris sale trade So that trade tree is still alive for the White Sox and Vargas made the all-star team actually as a third base He plays both corner positions seven and really 36:15.208 --> 36:15.908 [SPEAKER_01]: nice season. 36:15.988 --> 36:20.250 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's seeds, there's red sacks seeds all over the field tonight. 36:21.410 --> 36:31.214 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I'm going to take the opposite approach as Doug, given the benefit of hindsight, I'm actually going to not pull the trigger on the crochet trade. 36:32.395 --> 36:33.915 [SPEAKER_01]: Not that I actually regret the trade. 36:33.955 --> 36:35.476 [SPEAKER_01]: I think both teams are kind of winning. 36:35.736 --> 36:40.338 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that he went down this year, but he was an absolute ace last year, second best pitcher in the AL. 36:41.118 --> 36:47.360 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, again, hopefully finds a way to come back and pitch this year, but yeah, he's a rare arm top five picture in the game. 36:47.380 --> 36:48.961 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get those every day. 36:49.641 --> 36:53.262 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm perfectly fine and comfortable training prospects for a guy like that. 36:53.362 --> 36:57.103 [SPEAKER_01]: But if I have hindsight, I'm actually going to go back a little bit far there. 36:57.523 --> 37:02.885 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to hold on to a guy by the name of Chris Sale because seeing what he ended up doing for the braves. 37:03.365 --> 37:10.171 [SPEAKER_01]: If we hang on to him and find a way to work in extension, you know, he was unhappy with his performance, may comment about not earning his money. 37:10.652 --> 37:21.342 [SPEAKER_01]: If we find a way to work with sale and find like an extension, extend him to a more reasonable dollars, and he goes out and forget the side young, but gives you good pitching 37:21.882 --> 37:41.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's kind of faded in September and that's his MO, but he's been pitching very well for the the braves or the last few seasons, and if you give me those numbers, mix in with Toli and early, and now we still hold on to some of those prospects, I mean, I'm okay with what Wong's been doing at the play, and I didn't really have any issues with Narvaya, as although he is struggling lately. 37:42.251 --> 37:46.034 [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely want to know part of Mickey Gasper, but Kyle Teele's an upgrade. 37:46.094 --> 37:48.496 [SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Teele does provide all fence to the team. 37:49.257 --> 37:54.041 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, Brandon Montgomery, I actually think if he's in our system, I'm hoping he's not in the big leaves just yet. 37:54.641 --> 37:58.244 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but yeah, he came up made an impact right away, he had a walkoff home run in his first game. 37:58.985 --> 38:03.449 [SPEAKER_01]: And I actually chased me, Drought was, uh, my Drought was one of my favorite players in that deal. 38:04.009 --> 38:18.237 [SPEAKER_01]: I know he's not lights out right now or having a crazy good season, but has kind of quietly been a really solid ball player, plays middle and field, steals a couple of bags, really good back to ball type player. 38:18.317 --> 38:23.721 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, not just give you a lot of strikeouts, pretty much the type of player that you want like a Caleb Derbyn to be. 38:23.761 --> 38:25.642 [SPEAKER_01]: He's almost been the oddly the missing piece. 38:26.382 --> 38:28.963 [SPEAKER_01]: scrappy right handed contact header that we need. 38:29.804 --> 38:31.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, not a highlight of the deal. 38:31.665 --> 38:41.730 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll definitely trade him for crochet all day, but if you're giving me the benefit of hindsight, I'm actually going to keep sale and hope that he gives me the same type of numbers as he's given for Atlanta. 38:42.090 --> 38:44.832 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to hold on to those arms or to those other prospects. 38:45.232 --> 38:52.675 [SPEAKER_01]: and either flip them for another bat of some sort or another key piece or let them come up and grow in the system and have different guys to choose from, right? 38:52.695 --> 38:59.777 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've seen injuries, we've seen, you know, Meyer and Anthony both go down for extended periods of time and both their first two seasons. 38:59.837 --> 39:04.459 [SPEAKER_01]: So time will tell on all of the prospects that are coming up. 39:04.499 --> 39:07.260 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think anybody's lining it up right now, you know? 39:08.212 --> 39:11.454 [SPEAKER_01]: At this time, I don't think it's just a true loser in the trade just yet. 39:12.374 --> 39:15.836 [SPEAKER_01]: Teal, you know, has been playing nice, but he missed most of the season with an injury himself. 39:15.936 --> 39:18.817 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think there's really a wrong answer to this question. 39:19.517 --> 39:22.058 [SPEAKER_01]: But the hindsight, yeah, give me those projects back, actually. 39:22.618 --> 39:32.843 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll probably flip them for someone else and I'll hang on the sale and we're still gonna have an elite staff in more trade capital to hopefully really round out for a better roster overall. 39:34.097 --> 39:41.945 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think, you know, for me, I think I'm with Matt, I would go and I would undo the trade and get those prospects back. 39:42.005 --> 39:43.987 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's not because I'm down on Garic Rochet all. 39:44.007 --> 39:49.132 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually, I agree with Doug, I think Rochet once he's healthy, he's going to come back and he's going to pitch lights up. 39:49.332 --> 39:51.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I have no concerns about that. 39:51.334 --> 39:55.999 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that can be really great for the Red Sox when, you know, if eventually he comes back. 39:56.519 --> 40:04.021 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not because I'm down on him, he's an elite pitcher and obviously it's very tempting, right, to make a trade like that, get a guy like that. 40:04.121 --> 40:15.264 [SPEAKER_02]: So happy he's here, but with the benefit of hindsight, as you said, Matt, yeah, I would undo the trade and I would, because I look at a guy like Brad Montgomery and I say, he's your gerend to ran replacement. 40:15.844 --> 40:20.187 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, switch hitting out fielder, who's 22 years old, and looks like he's thickly ready. 40:20.708 --> 40:26.412 [SPEAKER_02]: So, then I would flip the ran for Joe Ryan or something like that, you know, like back when his value was a little bit higher. 40:26.932 --> 40:31.896 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I got like Chase my drive, is he going to be the next Dustin Pajroya? 40:32.016 --> 40:33.277 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably not, right? 40:33.337 --> 40:34.417 [SPEAKER_02]: Like most likely not. 40:34.498 --> 40:34.738 [SPEAKER_02]: But, 40:35.238 --> 41:04.027 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a good, nice little player like hits around 270 as Matt said doesn't really strike out, takes walks, plays pretty good defense, he's a right handed hitter, kind of a scrappy guy, you know, I'll take that at second base for a couple of years before I find a better upgrade, Kyle Teele, any time you can get a catcher who can hit, you should take it and yeah, sure, behind the plate is he great at throwing out runners, no, but that's something you know, he's improved or if he doesn't then you move him to first base or DH later on, you know, you keep the bat. 41:04.767 --> 41:15.012 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and even a guy like Wickham and Gonzales like, you know, again, 23-year-old reliever, you know, he's got good stuff and I think that, you know, I'd rather have a guy like that than Justin Slayton right now. 41:15.657 --> 41:29.021 [SPEAKER_02]: So with the benefit of hindsight, I think I would undo the trade just because I feel like those pieces could help you and it would allow you to flip other parts of your big league roster for more pitching, right? 41:29.061 --> 41:34.442 [SPEAKER_02]: So, okay, you lose Garacrochet, but like I said, if you can replace Daran with Montgomery, 41:34.882 --> 41:48.918 [SPEAKER_02]: then you put the ran into package to go get a Joe Ryan or go get some other, you know, star that's close to crochet's caliber, maybe not quite the same level, but something similar, and then you still have one of the best rotations and you probably have a stronger lineup. 41:49.468 --> 41:52.530 [SPEAKER_02]: which I think we can all agree if that was the case for this Red Sox team. 41:52.951 --> 41:57.834 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, we'd be looking at, you know, chasing the race for first place, maybe even being in first place. 41:58.235 --> 42:07.021 [SPEAKER_02]: So, it's just an interesting kind of thought because obviously, you know, seeing these guys in person now playing the White Sox, it's like, and that might draw us a pretty nice player. 42:07.241 --> 42:07.842 [SPEAKER_02]: Damn, like, 42:08.822 --> 42:11.683 [SPEAKER_02]: And look, Anthony Seagor is doing great for you at sucking bass right now. 42:11.743 --> 42:13.483 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, is that going to last? 42:13.543 --> 42:16.624 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Anthony Seagor was a first round pick eight years ago. 42:17.244 --> 42:20.464 [SPEAKER_02]: And really never cracked it with any team except for the red socks. 42:20.524 --> 42:23.465 [SPEAKER_02]: So eventually, water's probably going to find its level there. 42:23.565 --> 42:25.205 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just an interesting thought. 42:25.265 --> 42:31.706 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, obviously, we hope that crochet gets healthy soon around than later because you had him back to his rotation. 42:33.027 --> 42:35.167 [SPEAKER_02]: It could really do wonders for this team. 42:35.227 --> 42:35.387 [SPEAKER_02]: So, 42:36.708 --> 42:37.729 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see how things go. 42:38.389 --> 42:42.830 [SPEAKER_02]: Two more games against the white socks this week, so starting with tomorrow. 42:43.391 --> 42:53.054 [SPEAKER_02]: It's another 740 start I believe, and we've got Jake Bennett going for the red socks against Davis Martin, one of the best starters on Chicago staff. 42:53.094 --> 42:54.534 [SPEAKER_02]: So Matt, how do you see tomorrow going? 42:57.115 --> 43:00.156 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's actually probably going to take the under. 43:00.357 --> 43:04.158 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a big betting guy, but that's my way of saying it's going to be a really good pitching matchup. 43:04.875 --> 43:32.586 [SPEAKER_01]: really like what I've been seeing out of Bennett the last few starts he's just continues to get better and better his second stint has been awesome in the big leagues so actually enjoy watching him go out there and deal young kid but doing his thing but you mentioned it the Bennett I forget his name off the top my head but the oh Martin yeah so but he's you said it one of their best pitchers actually on the white so I know we've been hitting a groove offensively 43:33.603 --> 43:37.525 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a type of guy that could come out and shove versus us. 43:38.025 --> 43:42.707 [SPEAKER_01]: I am, I'm going to take the socks tomorrow now, just kidding. 43:42.787 --> 43:45.008 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I actually going to take the red socks tomorrow. 43:45.028 --> 43:45.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Why not? 43:46.028 --> 43:47.709 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep it rolling. 43:47.789 --> 43:51.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's hopefully that Bennett can keep giving other good quality start here. 43:52.171 --> 43:54.912 [SPEAKER_01]: And are we going to do games prediction for the next game too? 43:55.032 --> 43:56.793 [SPEAKER_01]: Jason, just so I know to, uh, 43:57.957 --> 43:59.098 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, yeah, we can do that. 43:59.118 --> 44:05.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because actually I think, I don't know who knows we're gonna get out of sand of all, the long awaited sand of all return. 44:06.864 --> 44:16.411 [SPEAKER_01]: But I see there's a lefty on the mound, and the socks have quietly become the best offense in the American League versus left handed pitching. 44:16.931 --> 44:22.976 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm reading this right on baseball reference, but I started pulling it up towards the end of the game today, just out of curiosity. 44:23.456 --> 44:37.717 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I thought the white socks were one of the better teams against lefties and to my surprise I saw the red socks up there towards the top of the list I think they were the first American league in the American league in verse lefty in batting average 44:38.298 --> 44:51.410 [SPEAKER_01]: on base percentage OPS, OPS plus so not exactly sure how that happened, but I actually like them in that third game versus the hopefully stand of all can find a way to give you you know 80 plus pitches. 44:51.871 --> 45:00.179 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say five plus innings, but yeah, so tomorrow we're going to need Bennett to go deep into the game as well because we're probably in a couple of extra arms out of the bullpen for 45:00.789 --> 45:24.055 [SPEAKER_01]: sand of all start but um i think the socks probably split both those games so i'll take the white socks tomorrow and then we win game three of the series those are my two predictions for the the next two games here yeah i think we split two i think the opposite thought if we win the tomorrow i bet it's just been lights up and um it's just like the waves really looked in it's just kind of impossible to know how sand of all is going to look 45:24.692 --> 45:28.256 [SPEAKER_00]: He might look great, he might struggle, just really had to predict. 45:29.097 --> 45:31.039 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'll give them that one. 45:31.619 --> 45:34.522 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll take the next game and take into out of three. 45:34.542 --> 45:37.665 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's gonna be coming into the match. 45:38.146 --> 45:38.806 [SPEAKER_00]: It's really big. 45:39.707 --> 45:45.053 [SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully you can sweep the match and keep this thing rolling. 45:46.680 --> 45:47.560 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I agree with Doug. 45:47.580 --> 45:49.241 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Red Sox will win tomorrow. 45:49.781 --> 45:51.502 [SPEAKER_02]: I like what I'm seeing from Jake Bennett a lot. 45:52.042 --> 45:54.503 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it'll be able to hold down that white Sox offense. 45:54.743 --> 45:56.124 [SPEAKER_02]: It will be a tough pitching matchup. 45:56.204 --> 45:58.765 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, Davis Martin has been really good for them this year. 45:58.825 --> 46:03.487 [SPEAKER_02]: But if the Red Sox didn't kind of grind out three or four runs, I think that'll be enough. 46:03.607 --> 46:07.909 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Bennett should be able to go pretty deep into the game and that that should be enough. 46:08.509 --> 46:10.810 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm really worried about Sandevol on Thursday. 46:10.890 --> 46:15.472 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is a guy who gives up the long ball already to begin with in his career. 46:16.112 --> 46:35.954 [SPEAKER_02]: is first start back after a very long rehab and he's got to go pitch in that stadium against that team that likes to hit home runs and I think hits lefty's pretty well so yeah it's I don't feel good about Thursday I mean granted you know their pitcher I think it's Anthony K who's a I think he's a journeyman left hand or not not really anything special there. 46:36.575 --> 46:39.017 [SPEAKER_02]: but I just feel like sand ball is going to get to lips ripped off. 46:39.077 --> 46:42.819 [SPEAKER_02]: I just have no confidence in him being able to keep them in it. 46:42.919 --> 46:50.585 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I'm hoping that Red Sox win tomorrow and if they lose on Thursday, at least you win the series. 46:50.625 --> 46:54.627 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, Doug, and then you're playing the Metz who are a garbage fire. 46:54.868 --> 46:57.009 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a series that you can absolutely sweep. 46:57.489 --> 47:00.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully go into the All-Star Break with some good momentum there. 47:00.632 --> 47:00.792 [SPEAKER_02]: So 47:01.750 --> 47:02.591 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see what happens. 47:02.952 --> 47:04.975 [SPEAKER_02]: We will be back on the air Thursday. 47:05.075 --> 47:13.348 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be after Thursday's game as a two o'clock game, so not quite sure when that crew will be going on the air, but be sure to check your YouTube and everything.