[UNKNOWN]: Welcome to the Lower Hounds, your guide to the 99 problems of Westeros on your host David back from holiday families and S.O.S.
[UNKNOWN]: in the flatlands.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm just young and I'm really still not happy that's her sneak sneak.
[UNKNOWN]: It's still a snake.
[UNKNOWN]: Kicking rocks.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll have a snake kick rocks.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know but he needs or he needs like feet.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't belly, belly kicks.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know but he's got to get this.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: This is our coverage of episode three season three of House of the Dragon, Ray Nara triumphant.
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[UNKNOWN]: Jean, you were just on Nevermind the music, the other.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi, it was Mark and I.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about the Earth Wind and Fire documentary that just dropped about a month ago in HBO, done by West Love, which was not so fun to be talking about such a great band.
[UNKNOWN]: So in a great doc.
[UNKNOWN]: I had, you guys kept that on the QT on the DL and I was like, it popped in my feet when we were on vacation and I was like, oh damn, this is cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't finished the episode yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I watched it and I was like, oh, let me, let me post this.
[UNKNOWN]: And I posted it in all music channel and then I was like, what do you mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Never mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me, let me get these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: So from there, we just decided to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was great.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that spontaneity, I love that creativity and that's what's so great about our community and of a affiliated podcast is that we can all bounce off each other in that way.
[UNKNOWN]: So definitely go check out the other affiliates and show them some love.
[UNKNOWN]: And I have to show some love to Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much, Alicia, for covering one and two.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you have had your hands full because you got to let's start.
[UNKNOWN]: Which I think is maybe your all-time favorite show almost ever, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what the streets are saying, and of course, silo, which ranks right up there pretty high as a major property of, you know, big, big favorite of Alicia's.
[UNKNOWN]: And she and Luke are covering that episode to episode season three coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: And so she's got her hands full with that.
[UNKNOWN]: So thank you again, Alicia, for holding it down for episodes one and two.
[UNKNOWN]: I really appreciate that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know she's got some voicemails
[UNKNOWN]: We, we, we get to talk about real quick, too.
[UNKNOWN]: We should have mentioned this during the email part.
[UNKNOWN]: Today, as I was doing my second watch and the outline, I'm just kind of a little bit overwhelmed because I also just get a microphone vacation blah, blah, blah.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was like, whoa, there's just a lot going on with this episode, but there's also a lot going on in the feedback, I've got a voicemail from Mark, we've got some stuff from Nate about, it's whole question of human shields, we've got some great insights from Dopa Meaney,
[UNKNOWN]: about Reneera and about women and power and leadership and all this kind of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we thought we're going to maybe what would be better is to break the episode into tune.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to kick the feed back down the week down to later in the week a couple of days.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think you're on Thursday, night we're going to work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's going to work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, as you listen to this episode and you've got feedback, you know, you've got time to kick it in and we'll do the book pitch and lore stuff then too.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know Alicia's going to have some couple of voicemails for us not only on feedback for the show, but also some of the lore stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So, when we get into some deeper lore questions, that's what we're going to handle it on that second podcast as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And I made the decision, like, I'm not going to worry about spoilers.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I listened to, when you guys were talking about episode 1 and 2, I listened to the book pitch and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh damn!
[UNKNOWN]: There's some things coming and it's really kind of fun actually to see them laying the groundwork for that stuff later in these early episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'll do my best to enjoy myself, even though I'm giving myself access to the spoilers and the spoiler knowledge.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's also
[UNKNOWN]: It is a busy summer, so we've got Lestat.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got Silo.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Odyssey, coverage is coming.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys are doing some supergirls.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're going to do supergirls.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, we're going to do it next week Wednesday.
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
[UNKNOWN]: If you haven't seen it, go see it because I loved it.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I've been right after Supergirl Spider-Man brand new days is going to be here.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's a lot of things.
[UNKNOWN]: And we have the bear just completed his final season.
[UNKNOWN]: I have not watched it all yet, but Ron Dawson from Dungeons & Doorags and I are going to be doing a podcast on it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the agency dropped all of season two, which I think if I had watched that in the year that it would have season one.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been released that would have been my number one show.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Question.
[UNKNOWN]: It's proper spy show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's great.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm probably going to do a one shot on that.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to find somebody in her community, but that's the thing we got a great community.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll find somebody out there.
[UNKNOWN]: who wants to talk about the agency with me.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've got a lot going on.
[UNKNOWN]: And but other than that, we should probably get into our fresh takes for the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, the head of the fort.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I was about to say so being that we haven't spoken about this really.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What were your thoughts on the first two episodes so far?
[UNKNOWN]: So, we talked on the season preview.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: about how my rewatch of season one was like a cry.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I had even started season two when we did our preview.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was just grinding on season one and it was just, oh my god, it was just so depressing and it was just these are horrible people and I was just so uninvested and that was really
[UNKNOWN]: Dredding like this idea of having to cover this show if I wasn't really enjoying it, you know, that's one of the things that we have the privilege of doing with our podcast is we get to cover the things that we want to cover and that we want to like John and I in the past of covered things that we don't like and it is full to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was like really getting nervous.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I finally got through season one.
[UNKNOWN]: I got this season two and I was like, oh, and I was enjoying season two and having a good time with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And there was just pacing and action.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's an interesting thing that when you come to the cliffhanger of season two, when you're binging this, like if you're one of those people who's just, I'm going to store it up and I'll watch it all once it's all released, so I can watch it at my pace, and I don't have to wait or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll just go from the end of season two to the beginning of season three without a problem, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You just, it'll flow pretty nicely.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: C's episodes one and two, I really enjoyed.
[UNKNOWN]: I had some nitpicks on a couple of things, but on the bigger levels, I really agree with something that you said.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget in one or two episode or one or two coverage, that this show, and maybe even, you know, I think in general, this show was just about Allison and we're in Allison, Reneera.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a core.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a show is about a lot of things.
[UNKNOWN]: But at it, it's core is this relationship between these two friends.
[UNKNOWN]: What were friends.
[UNKNOWN]: And what goes on with them.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just am loving this sort of intertwining between them when she showed up on Dragonstone and then in this episode when they're having some conversations and we'll talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, but the advice that it Alison is giving to Reneera, I'm like, oh, damn, like she should she should be her hand or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, or at least be on her secret small council.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm just really loving that when you step back from the show and you look at these two and a quarter, whatever, two and two episodes, two seasons and two episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: really this this this conversation this this story between these two childhood friends I think is a it's a really interesting thing and everything else kind of compal pales and in some comparison because it's ultimately about this question of the human heart right these two friends who are in conflict with each other.
[UNKNOWN]: and now they're sort of these two side in somewhat, I don't want to say they're two sides of somebody with their own, you know, they come from this, you know, they're like sisters, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And they, as they were brought up and all of the things that happened.
[UNKNOWN]: So I thought, I just find that all fascinating and I'm really happy that they're digging even deeper into that aspect.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: something else that came up to with the whole machinations of oh, where's where's a god, no, oh god, no, my brain is a washing in characters.
[UNKNOWN]: Good thing we have a show guide, which we haven't really talked about.
[UNKNOWN]: which is a subscriber access feature.
[UNKNOWN]: But we've got a big encyclopedia, which is full of non-spoiler information.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you have to remember somebody's name, or you curious about a particular actor or something like that, it's all in the show guide.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, amen with
[UNKNOWN]: you know, aiming supposed to, you know, leave the castle in Alice and it's trying to get him to, you know, fly away with ajar, you know, getting the, uh, the guards to, you know, unload their weapons, all of this stuff, and it doesn't go according to plan, or with the battle of the gullet, like, oh, the, oh, the triarchy, what are these guys doing here, and, you know, all of these things that are going wrong, one of the things that I was really
[UNKNOWN]: imperfect information can lead to these sort of near catastrophic events and the results of these events.
[UNKNOWN]: So then I was just thinking back, man, you know, if you're trying to do diplomacy or secret negotiations or wartime planning back in the day when you didn't have, you know, instant, you know, and so full.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, like it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: that they could get stuff done.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, so we're, you know, over on our family vacation here.
[UNKNOWN]: And the mobile phone was the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It was our GPS.
[UNKNOWN]: It was our payment system.
[UNKNOWN]: It was our, you know, recording our trip.
[UNKNOWN]: It was, you know, looking up information, oh, where should we go to dinner tonight?
[UNKNOWN]: Or, you know, keeping in touch with things going on at home because we can't just completely be on, we didn't, we had to do a little bit of work, but like, by and large, we were able to be on vacation.
[UNKNOWN]: But we still had to attend to a lot of things.
[UNKNOWN]: And having that instant access to information, invaluable.
[UNKNOWN]: And so like these people are dealing with it in a way that we just can't conceive of.
[UNKNOWN]: So I really like that sort of highlighting of sort of how things function differently when you don't have information.
[UNKNOWN]: Speaking of the sneak snake, say that 10 times faster, see snake.
[UNKNOWN]: I was surprised that he survived so easily.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was like one nitpick that I had.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, dudes wearing armor and he sank.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what's up with that?
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, we don't know what kind of armor that is dope.
[UNKNOWN]: You say it, that could be the floaty type of armor.
[UNKNOWN]: He saw a lot of other people say, they didn't have the proper armor.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he's the see snake, you know what he's doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so maybe it's buoyant armor.
[UNKNOWN]: That's interesting anyway, but you know that was like my one of my nitpicks But that was a pretty minor one because I get by also get to concede to the story and we've got some stuff that we've got to do there.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know and I'm appreciating the story from what I'm seeing on screen because I've not read the book so I don't have any
[UNKNOWN]: The way to judge anything else that's going on, but there's definitely some conceits that they've had to make to keep Coralus around.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that they should have made us think that he was dead in so easily so quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that could have been a story.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me tell you something.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just going to keep up.
[UNKNOWN]: If they had killed Cersei Snake,
[UNKNOWN]: we would have took to the streets.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: I took to the streets.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just say, you know that right now, the black delegation would have taken to the streets.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it, period in the story.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, we need to keep it even to sell it around for a little while.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about Alice Rivers in Masaria, loving these two background characters.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think what they're doing with Masaria is really interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was really surprised with Alice just outright saying, give me hair and haul, I was like, whoa, that's a bold ask.
[UNKNOWN]: But I love that character.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm excited to see what else sort of transpires, especially with Masaria, too, because she's not
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's on the side of the small folk in the side of Queen, but she's she's she's not She's angling for power as well.
[UNKNOWN]: She's playing and you know, she's got to play a game because they Everybody's out of the mirror.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, everybody's out of the house The buddy story of Larus and Aiman on the road or a gun on the road.
[UNKNOWN]: That was just hilarious
[UNKNOWN]: I loved that, so I loved how all that was going.
[UNKNOWN]: And then just might sort of final up until this point, that look on Reneer's face on Amelia Clark's face at the end of episode two after, you know, when Allison comes into the throne room, it's just like, oh man, these actors are just firing at this highest level of performance.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just so,
[UNKNOWN]: so nuanced and so expressive, but so controlled.
[UNKNOWN]: So it really was just a moment of a scene when I was just like, wow, right there.
[UNKNOWN]: This season for me is turning out to be really enjoyable.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really, really liking what they're putting down and just proving on.
[UNKNOWN]: the story the performance is a production everything that's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's look in great cool cool market real quick you said Amelia Clark and a Darcy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, thanks.
[UNKNOWN]: Where who's Amelia Clark?
[UNKNOWN]: Daenerys.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Wait, we're gonna leave this in Because I can't there's no how much was the edit this back out.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: You're got your thorns and it makes stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: You got your thorns mixed up
[UNKNOWN]: I'm telling you, man, well, I'm coming back into it and it's like, woo, there's a lot going on.
[UNKNOWN]: I spent pretty much all today trying to like get back into production mode and breaking down an episode and stuff like this.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of work that's going on by in the scenes here.
[UNKNOWN]: So apologies if we, it's a screw up a name from time to time.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, what did you make of episode three?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I thought it was, this was, I loved the episode, Ray Nara continues to be an astounding character for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, everything that she does is just really, um, yeah, I have, I really have no words to describe how much I'm enjoying.
[UNKNOWN]: Emma Darcy, portrayal.
[UNKNOWN]: Not a million garbage.
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[UNKNOWN]: Like I said, if he would have died, we would have rioted.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he thought I'm saying, but apart from that, terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: And I come back to that often because he is so, it's just as manipulating as everyone else on the show to the point where,
[UNKNOWN]: I put myself in his sun's shoes and I wonder how long would it take for me to do what needed to be done, which is turn my back on this motherfucker for my own mental health.
[UNKNOWN]: And I get that is also difficult to do, but he is so very about him, everything that he does is in service, not to his children, but in service to him.
[UNKNOWN]: And hopefully there's something that will redeem that for me, but right now I can't see past it when I'm looking at corners.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I am a bit later on about this, because in his position is hand of a king.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll say that for later, but I'm just going to interject here and just say, I'm hungry with you, hard agree with you on what your, your assessment of Coralist at this stage.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's very interesting for me as a viewer who really likes to see this character on screen be so opposed to the character himself, to the character of the character, I should say.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, just, I love what they're doing with you and off.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's going
[UNKNOWN]: It's really, they're just laying the groundwork for things to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's really cool to watch the people who make things happen, how we know, how I can see the brain is turning, the machinations are happening.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just really good to me storytelling
[UNKNOWN]: this season is is hitting on and that is with all, you know, the first episode with this great battle and all of these things and some of the great sword fights in this episode too, but what came really through to me in this episode was that throughout these first three, the story telling has been amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: On point.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's why I'm at right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: There was
[UNKNOWN]: a couple of notes I had in my reaction to episode three overall in how the episode is and season are being constructed.
[UNKNOWN]: So to jump off of your point, the falling tapestry, like the taking down of the tapestries has this running background element of this whole episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Brilliant.
[UNKNOWN]: So by the end, when they light that thing on fire, that big pile of stuff on fire, you're like, wow, like they're really constructing the episode very carefully.
[UNKNOWN]: The rats, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we see these little shots of rats, and then what happens though, we get a bank, what of rats, right?
[UNKNOWN]: But that started,
[UNKNOWN]: win at the season two was the one all that went down.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was a thing that that caught my ear on this one.
[UNKNOWN]: which was the talo right all the rats ate all the talos where we don't have candles we're going to be in the dark or whatever is that going to play a role coming up in something right so there's you never know where they are laying these little groundwork pieces and we can see the the function and the shape of that now into three episodes of
[UNKNOWN]: season three, but how much more are they seeding that we don't even know that we're not even picking up on yet, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That is just it's just there in the environment.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's just great.
[UNKNOWN]: great television right there they're actually thinking about television.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the sound design in this episode was insane it was so good.
[UNKNOWN]: I was so good I had to reach out to Mark from never mind the music and say Mark I need your comments on some stuff about music and we'll play that in the feedback episode.
[UNKNOWN]: But the, and I've got an audio clip I'll play later when we get into some stuff, the, just the way that they were using the strings instruments and the bells and, and a bunch of stuff to Create tension, but also to clue us into the emotional state of different characters was was extraordinary.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a walk-in talk episode, right?
[UNKNOWN]: This is like straight out of West Wing, walk with me.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, walk with me is I'm the most important person in this world, and I need to make a decision, but I need to be in each other places at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to have to do this as a walk-in talk.
[UNKNOWN]: So I thought that that was fun, and I heard this in another podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget which one it was.
[UNKNOWN]: I try to remember when I pulled quotes from other things, but this one was just a quickie.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was this idea that in Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon, we're always bouncing around to different POVs from different characters, especially in the books.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this was on the watch pod.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we're always changing our points of views.
[UNKNOWN]: But in this one,
[UNKNOWN]: The only time we were not with Reneera is the cold open with Damon taking the high tower surrender.
[UNKNOWN]: But otherwise, we're with Reneera, the entire episode.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is a really unique thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's really interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And I really appreciated that there.
[UNKNOWN]: Getting a little bold in some of their story-telling decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: I really applaud that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen some starting to hear and see some like there's a lot of there's a bunch of mixed feelings about this emotion for a lot of different reasons.
[UNKNOWN]: which I also think is interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, to me, that means that the episode is firing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pinning off of people in different ways.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like, oh, it was a dumb and the bet CGI was bad or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: But the writers have made choices, the store, the showrunners have been making choices.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're leaning into it and they're,
[UNKNOWN]: really doubling that and not that's that the right way to put it.
[UNKNOWN]: They're making artistic and creative choices and those choices are having they're affecting people and are affecting people in different ways and so to me that means that the show has traction like it's going somewhere.
[UNKNOWN]: You may not like it.
[UNKNOWN]: You may not agree with it.
[UNKNOWN]: We may have some we may need to like I was about it and that's all okay but the show
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: There was, it's a funny episode as well.
[UNKNOWN]: There's some really funny little one-liners and little quips, and I think that was a big complaint of ours from season one, was that there was just no joy in this, but when she's, when he's like, oh, how do you want to style yourself?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Targaryen, absolutely not, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That's funny, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Or even the rats are funny, like, oh, here's some rat for dinner, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That's funny, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So we have that, that levity, which helps us.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I think what's also just really interesting about this episode is getting this direct insight into what it's like to be a decision maker at this level.
[UNKNOWN]: and how important it is that you have a team of people around you to help you because as we saw Raniera walking through after that little small advisor's meeting, the talo and the bed chamber and the you know this and then that there's just like a zillion people coming to you with a zillion little decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is a thing that's been kicked around in modern pop psychology in the last few years.
[UNKNOWN]: The number of spoons that you have in the drawer, like there's only so many decisions that you can make in a day.
[UNKNOWN]: And when those spoons are depleted, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you just, your ability to make good decisions is degraded.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, maybe Nicole would have some insights on this or something from, never mind the music as well.
[UNKNOWN]: But there was that famous thing where Obama, who's like, I wear the same suits every day, so I don't have to make, I don't have to spend my decision-making energy on making small decisions, because I got so many big decisions that I'm gonna make.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just gonna forego as many things as possible.
[UNKNOWN]: So the importance of that is that you can't forego.
[UNKNOWN]: What's that?
[UNKNOWN]: I think then there are the things that you unfortunately cannot forego.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this episode showed that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And the importance of having a chief of staff or a hand of the queen, who is somebody whose job is not to make decisions,
[UNKNOWN]: about the subject matter, but to make decisions about the flow and the shape, the frequency and the volume of the information going to that primary decision maker.
[UNKNOWN]: She does not have, she was, she was brought up in a time of peace when everything was chill and flat.
[UNKNOWN]: So she's been observing and training and trying to learn her role to, you know, to ultimately
[UNKNOWN]: things were structured and there was order and there was a small council and you know people weren't trying to run away with gold or run off with you know different members of the royal household.
[UNKNOWN]: And suddenly all of that decision making structure is gone.
[UNKNOWN]: It stripped away and her
[UNKNOWN]: is not doing his job, which is to take all that information and shape it and flow it and keep a track of her to saying, how are you doing today?
[UNKNOWN]: How many decisions can I get through you?
[UNKNOWN]: What are the big ones or the little ones?
[UNKNOWN]: What are things that I can take off your plate?
[UNKNOWN]: What are things that the master of coin or the master of law?
[UNKNOWN]: She has none of that infrastructure.
[UNKNOWN]: to deal with it and dealing with it in this insane way, not even accounting for the fact that physically and mentally she's post-traumatic, she's lost children, she has given birth recently, like physically she is pushed beyond the limits of most people.
[UNKNOWN]: And so to me, just the, so that's some commentary about Reneera herself,
[UNKNOWN]: To be an effective ruler, you have to have structures in place to shape the information and to set it up so that you can make good quality decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is missing and Coralist ain't doing his job.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think, you know, it's something to say that those structures weren't set up for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Like inherently, they, the structure did not see her.
[UNKNOWN]: right as part of the structure.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I was saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Like it was not the people who you would think would that she would be able to rely on exactly, right?
[UNKNOWN]: From when she was watching her father, they never envisioned her.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody said it, but they didn't believe it in their brain.
[UNKNOWN]: They never envisioned her.
[UNKNOWN]: So that entire system watched her, but they never envisioned that they would have to help her because that was not going to be her role.
[UNKNOWN]: So yes, she was she saw it.
[UNKNOWN]: But how many of the people who were there, were there in an honest way to help her in this moment?
[UNKNOWN]: before this moment arrived, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe a couple.
[UNKNOWN]: And even Allison said, you know, when she has a conversation, we'll talk about it with Allison something to that effect.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, how did you do it?
[UNKNOWN]: They resented to be from day one.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And they were trying to constantly trying to cut me out of the decision loop.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: So this system that she's inherited, that she's watched, was never going to bend.
[UNKNOWN]: They did not intend for her to be the decision maker, which is a whole other host of shit that she has to do with.
[UNKNOWN]: Never mind taking the gold out of the treasury, never mind that it's planting season getting off kill.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, never mind getting all those other problems.
[UNKNOWN]: All this other stuff, but the system itself, the people that make up the system never intended for her to wheel the system.
[UNKNOWN]: And so people are up here judging her ability to handle it.
[UNKNOWN]: And she knows it.
[UNKNOWN]: And she knows it, which is why she must portray what she's portray.
[UNKNOWN]: Because she knows it, they're just waiting to say,
[UNKNOWN]: Right, the, the, see, see a woman can't do the job because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, well, yeah, you've never had the, the opportunity that you did just was a fair system and have a set on the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: Nope.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you only set up the head of the table and that was like, those guys were fucking her all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, but she never sat on the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, uh, there's a lot to talk about in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's take it.
[UNKNOWN]: Just don't talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we're going to, so I was, I was headed in a dilemma of whether we should do like a sort of thematic plot breakdown or whether we should do a episode by episode or a scene by scene breakdown.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just kind of ended up reverting to a bit of
[UNKNOWN]: because that's just the way I needed to process it because I'm sort of getting back into things.
[UNKNOWN]: Doing it thematic breakdown takes a lot of the ability to abstract the bigger themes that are going on and I'm just getting back into things so I thought, well let's just do the scene by scene.
[UNKNOWN]: All except for the beginning, the high tower capitulation thing, we're going to compress that a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about the beginning in the end of the episode in one thing.
[UNKNOWN]: But the first thing we're going to do is actually take a commercial break.
[UNKNOWN]: So we will be right back after this short message.
[UNKNOWN]: and we're back.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's talk about the high tower capitulation question.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a little rocky joke for all you project Hail Mary fans out there.
[UNKNOWN]: My daughter and I speak in rocky phraseology.
[UNKNOWN]: So, like I said before, the break, we're going to discuss everything sort of related to the high-tour movements and fair on, I think is what people are calling him now, the fake Darren in this section.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Orman Hardtower, Benz the knee, and seemingly capitulates supplying Darren, Allison's last son with Bessaris who is sent away to Old Town with his dragon, as Ward and hostage.
[UNKNOWN]: Later, the boys eventually found out to be a fake when Allison is allowed to see him after linear decides that the boy can take black.
[UNKNOWN]: And then at the end of the episode, we learned that Ormond has not only, in fact, not taken the Rose Road home.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, everybody, we're going to take the Rose Road home.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what we're going to be, combined as if you need.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we didn't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not his forces into tumble town, embedding his army in and amongst the citizenry.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... just a couple quick notes uh... tumble town is sort of west south west from uh... i think it's like about a days ride from king's landing correct me if i'm i'm wrong readers and then we also learn later that he's wife is gone there to live with the relatives and lately that groundwork for he who in season two like she because she mentioned tumble town couple of days yeah thanks
[UNKNOWN]: And then there seem to be some confusion about the dragon keeper and where to satry on was and why didn't demon take the dragon and all this kind of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So what it seems like.
[UNKNOWN]: is they were escorting the dragon back.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when they got to tumble town, they sprung the trap, they'd maybe gotten there already, or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Have you been able to get any more clarity on the Taserion tumble town dragonkeeper chain of events?
[UNKNOWN]: No, because I just talked about it.
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
[UNKNOWN]: So I would get back to you on that one.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, there was the dragonkeepers
[UNKNOWN]: But how, you know, we think going back and forth on the discord about this very scene, and about the dragon and fake their own.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And why, in fact, again, he's from the streets we call it never the day-run, you know what I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we do.
[UNKNOWN]: What we do is day-run, it's not no daring.
[UNKNOWN]: It's day-run, that's how we go.
[UNKNOWN]: I just wanted why Damon did not ask him to write back, seeing that the Dragon Keepers were there, knowing that he's going back to, you know, King's Landing, why wouldn't
[UNKNOWN]: say, hey, we're all flying back.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just three of us.
[UNKNOWN]: And now you make four.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still confused as to why that didn't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Because you got two dragons of light cover.
[UNKNOWN]: If he, yeah, it's a hinky at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: So I, I,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just trying to make sense of it in my head, but I can't make sense of it in my head.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I don't think Damon is that that the dragon is, test is bonded to the Darren, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So why wouldn't you bring the dragon along?
[UNKNOWN]: To me, and I get that there's a,
[UNKNOWN]: There's a conceit here, and then that we got to have this, so this whole form and plot works, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So assuming that we accept the conceit, then to me what works is that it shows Damon's arrogance.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so arrogant and so, uh, seemingly, uh, like, oh, well, I got three dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: So bend the knee, my book, uh, you know, like, this is it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, look at me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a badass.
[UNKNOWN]: I kicked your ass without even, you know, unsheathing my sword.
[UNKNOWN]: Go home, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Go home little man, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That whole arrogance thing that he's got going on.
[UNKNOWN]: To me, that's the blindness of not having dare on not, you know, and the dragon and not checking anything.
[UNKNOWN]: He just thinks he's got him beat so well that it's all good.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you flying, why is somebody, why don't you have scouts on horseback, shadowing them to make sure that they're on the rose road, headed all right, like all of that to me, is all goes into Damon's, and you and I were talking about this before on the I think on the discord, is that Damon's use of power and his understanding of tactics and whatnot, it's pathetic, it's terrible, he is a horrible, he's bad at this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he makes really bad choices that ends up half of renearest problems are from Damon, ultimately for the over the last couple of seasons, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Damon has caused his more problems for everybody involved.
[UNKNOWN]: He's all he he costs his more problems than he solves.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still thinking, I'm still stuck on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, I gotta get this off my chest.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what's up.
[UNKNOWN]: He's there in the field.
[UNKNOWN]: I've not seen any other bonded dragon have to be kept in line by dragon keepers.
[UNKNOWN]: Except when they're,
[UNKNOWN]: Well, except even when they're launching, they're like in the cave, I see you see the guys with the sticks.
[UNKNOWN]: Not in the field though.
[UNKNOWN]: Not in the field, never the field.
[UNKNOWN]: We call that.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'm wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think you might be right.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't see dragonfield keepers in the field with their sticks.
[UNKNOWN]: Keep it them.
[UNKNOWN]: keep in the dragon, you know, occupied or retain or when the rider is there.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So, because they're always there when they're climbing up, when they're getting ready to launch out of the caves or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: They're there because the dragon rider isn't there.
[UNKNOWN]: The dragon rider's coming down and meet the valet brought the car around before the driver.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's got his car.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, maybe I'm wrong, maybe, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: But I just can't remember seeing that.
[UNKNOWN]: And if that's the case, then one has to wonder why Damon didn't see it, and maybe as you point out is because of his hubris.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: To me, that whole scene is just Damon being so fascinated and enjoying his ego so much that he can't
[UNKNOWN]: and that he doesn't know well enough that his nephew doesn't have white hair right like that's an obvious detail yeah the kid got sent away but that's why everybody spends all this time learning who the lords and ladies are of the world if you're noble because you got to remember you got to know these details because you don't have the internet you don't have any Wikipedia to look up like oh what is what is this guy look like
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And Norman does not look like I can trust his word from the moment he was there and he when he pulled out a sword and bent the knee, I was like, no, something wrong here.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a way wrong here.
[UNKNOWN]: Just doesn't look like someone that I can trust them at their word and I know Damon knows this.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope he knows this, I would hope that he knows this, let me say.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is why I was all for him, joccarying everybody, you know what I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: That's not.
[UNKNOWN]: It leads to leadership, at least to capitate, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I didn't earn boy kings, hand to the king, what's his name?
[UNKNOWN]: Otto.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, the other, the Queen's Guard.
[UNKNOWN]: King's Guard, guy.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Cole, Cole, Cole, the Chris and Cole.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when they were, yeah, another guy.
[UNKNOWN]: When Cole was doing his swing up through there, I forget which castle it was, but he basically told the Lord, bend the knee or burn, not burn, but you're going to get executed.
[UNKNOWN]: And he executed them, the one guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, so on as demonstration.
[UNKNOWN]: And everybody else was like, OK, you know, we'll bend the knee.
[UNKNOWN]: So he could have taken a warm-on and just burnt cooked him right and then said everybody else you could turn around go home or you can, you know So to me, it all just goes back to what's that?
[UNKNOWN]: I just have problems with this.
[UNKNOWN]: But to me it goes back to Damon's arrogance.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just all it all plays into the question of of of of Damon's competence and that he's incompetent because he's so arrogant.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's an interesting thing really quick about this question of human shields and Nate, who is military historian, Japan expert, he helped us out a lot on our show gun coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's a big end of this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I asked him to
[UNKNOWN]: add some comments about human shields.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to include that in the feedback episode because he's got a bunch to say and I want to be able to take that and sort of synthesize it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all in the discord.
[UNKNOWN]: But I wanted to think about this idea of of human shields as a military doctrine, so to speak.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's illegal, and it's not a doctrine as such.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like, hey, this is how you handle this kind of situation.
[UNKNOWN]: This is how you handle tanks.
[UNKNOWN]: This is how you handle airplanes or missiles or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Narrow bodies of water may be even.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not a legal military doctrine, but it is something
[UNKNOWN]: has been done, and is done, and Nate has some points about how to think about it in a medieval society sort of standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: But just to think about it a little bit ahead of the question, there's the obvious point that, well, you it nullifies
[UNKNOWN]: ground troops in with a civilian population, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So that's right there, that's pretty simple.
[UNKNOWN]: So using human shields can strains the attacker, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It limits the ability of the attacker to fundamentally carry out their attack.
[UNKNOWN]: It also changes the defenders' value of terrain.
[UNKNOWN]: and in a round civilians can make cities and camps and roads harder to attack even if the position itself is not strong.
[UNKNOWN]: So they can embed into the town and that's not normally a good strong point, but now that they've got the infrastructure over the terrain of that town, they can
[UNKNOWN]: right so like if you're going to go in to the town well we can't burn them out from the air so we got to go on the ground well now the defenders have a whole bunch of natural already existing fortifications and they can do you know like you're going to have to go house to house to do that and that that gets messy right.
[UNKNOWN]: Then a third thing that it does is it shifts political and moral costs, so anybody who's causing harm to the civilian can lose their legitimacy and support and sort of ability to act diplomatically.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, the person who's using the shields is not great.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's an abusive thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a bad tactic.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate screw you for coming in my town and making me a human shield.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm a little bit more mad, maybe at the person who then comes in and he discriminately bomb, you know, firebombs us to take out those guys.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, well screw you even double screw you, you know, for for actually killing us.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: there's that.
[UNKNOWN]: So whoever's causing the actual harm has a real danger to their legitimacy.
[UNKNOWN]: It changes the way that I think the last thing to think about is, is that it changes how command and control operates.
[UNKNOWN]: So when you have a whole bunch of civilians in and around, you've got tighter movement.
[UNKNOWN]: It's harder to to swing forces around.
[UNKNOWN]: You've got restrictions on what you can shoot and not shoot.
[UNKNOWN]: and you have to think about your reallocation and your resupply and your counter attack because you've got a whole bunch of other bodies out in the field of battle that are going to affect the order of battle.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to affect how troops are deployed and how you're seeing and how you're trying to see the other people.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not just as simple as like, oh hey, it stops her from using the dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a whole bunch of secondary and tertiary effects.
[UNKNOWN]: tactically that that it happens to affect.
[UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, like I said, we'll have Nate will have some other points of view on some historicity of it, because it wasn't really a thing back then, but at the same time it's a thing that you want to think differently about because your production, you know, who's going to grow your grain and all that kind of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's a really interesting thing that they're entering, they're adding into the storyline
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, that was kind of monologuing for a little bit of apologies, but I just got really into this idea of, no, it's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: How I know this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's disastrous for both sides.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes it, you know, I think it's disastrous for both sides.
[UNKNOWN]: But, and then, yeah, you can only imagine where this is going.
[UNKNOWN]: And it puts her in here in a really difficult moral position.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Because Missari is pushing her to be friend of the small folk.
[UNKNOWN]: And that her power base, her true power base lies with the people, not with the nobles.
[UNKNOWN]: Which, Norman has now.
[UNKNOWN]: nullify.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, technically, I think, okay, so the Lannister host is gone, but we need a battlefield assessment here.
[UNKNOWN]: There's still other forces at play out there, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So I think Oremond is holding on long enough for them to regroup and remarshall in some other forces to come in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yes, one of the larger forces.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think there's other forces out there in the, not just his, but others coming.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be other forces to come.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That come to help.
[UNKNOWN]: But right now, I think the focus is squarely on normal.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and he's digging in and I think he's trying to buy time.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And we know that Aiman is good.
[UNKNOWN]: And well, we got Aiman and Christian Cole, right?
[UNKNOWN]: out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And aiming still out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And we know that those guys like to scheme.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, how much how much scheme and aiming can do at the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: But they they do that.
[UNKNOWN]: So like I'm saying that I think, you know, there's, they, they, they have to be in conversation as my opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's ravens that are flying between those guys.
[UNKNOWN]: That, that's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know how much
[UNKNOWN]: because he has a, he has a grievous wound, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He has a, and he's with Alice.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh, shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: My bad, my bad.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched the episodes sort of in a blur of travel and stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I forgot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he got, he got poked and he's, he's in Alice's hands.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot totally about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I retract my other statements.
[UNKNOWN]: So Chris and Cole, out there, though.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's other things going on.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's talk, so now we're gonna go into a little bit more sort of straight scene by scene, but there's a lot of embedded issues.
[UNKNOWN]: And a lot of the stuff, some of these will be quick and then other ones will be more interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I am your half-sister, we're near and Damon talk in what is now the Queens chamber and then they confront Darron, the Pretender, aka Fairon.
[UNKNOWN]: the shot of Reneera standing at the foot of the bed and as, you know, she's dealing with the weight of the fact that her father's gone and that she's now in charge.
[UNKNOWN]: The way that they just the slow camera push in and come in up underneath her face, it was just so good.
[UNKNOWN]: So good and as we're starting to get the sense of the weight and the heaviness that she's having to deal with and then they cut to this master shot of the room with the light streaming in with Damon there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just exquisite just view visually just beautiful and then we get this thing where she needs to just not justify she needs to center herself and she has this comment about justifying her father's faith and I was curious.
[UNKNOWN]: about what you thought about how she's reacting to her relative to her father.
[UNKNOWN]: the paragon of what a ruler can be or should be.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think, you know, the pedestal that she's put him on that she's trying to, in this moment, and she's talking to Damon, but she might as well be talking to herself.
[UNKNOWN]: She might have just been looking in the mirror and talking to herself.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I think,
[UNKNOWN]: Damon should hear these words, but I think these were more hard words to herself.
[UNKNOWN]: She really wants to prove that her father was absolutely correct in his assessment of her.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: Not in a way to let him down, let his memory down or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But for her, it's important that she be the type of ruler that she believed, that he believed in you, that she could be.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything that she's doing in that moment is to call that up because she's gonna need that strength.
[UNKNOWN]: She's nobody aside from Damon.
[UNKNOWN]: Who else is going to truly believe in her?
[UNKNOWN]: Her children, her staunches, you know, defenders are, where are they?
[UNKNOWN]: Dead?
[UNKNOWN]: That's, I mean, their kids are dead, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So, she has to believe this.
[UNKNOWN]: he has to to see in herself while father saw in her because Damon's still in it for he's in it now for the Targaryen big name and he's serving her but not for her sake he's serving her for the vision that he saw of Danny and three dragons in the desert
[UNKNOWN]: that you should have, you know, the Targaryens are gonna have forever in a day.
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna rule forever in a day.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what he's serving.
[UNKNOWN]: She's a means to that ends.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't know if I agree with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Really?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because in part, yes, I understand, and I can agree with what Potter Wester said, that he wants to Targaryen name to continue to mean something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: and the need to, oh, okay, right.
[UNKNOWN]: If that's all that made it to him.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he did, but at that time, he didn't have the vision.
[UNKNOWN]: He was still, he was still for himself, vis-a-vis his brother.
[UNKNOWN]: Once he's had the vision, he recognizes that the Night King is the real threat and that it's the Targaryens who are going to be the savior
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I don't know if I agree that he would go to battle for Aegon, Aegon, Amon, and you want else?
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's our guest to battle.
[UNKNOWN]: True, right there.
[UNKNOWN]: The way it goes to battle was we're not sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he would do it just to justify the prophecy.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's all in on the prophecy now.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, don't get, he's not in the prophecy, but what I'm saying is that I think his allegiance to a lawyer, to a renaura is something separate from them.
[UNKNOWN]: Separate from the prophecy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I think I have to disagree though, because he's the end there.
[UNKNOWN]: He says you, you know, our children will rule.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't remember the exact quote, but basically like, you know, forever in a day.
[UNKNOWN]: And he says earlier, I saw it.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw this, you know, wait here, a woman with three dragons at her breast.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was in the last episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So to me, those are all these clues that he's, but he's still Damon, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And he's still, you know, oh, we know we're gods.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we're, and she looks at him like, oh, you're crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about, gods?
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to go to UT.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not mad at him.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm saying I heard his beautiful of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But it goes far as UT, but I could say it's pretty nice around the other side of the park.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, we'll agree with disagree on this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think it's a good point to keep working it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Let's keep working the question.
[UNKNOWN]: So there is an audio clip I want to play really quick.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was the setup because I was just so struck by this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It's use of sound design in the in the score.
[UNKNOWN]: And did you ever see Conclave from the other year?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, I saw it.
[UNKNOWN]: The way that they use the music in that movie really reminded, this episode really reminded me of that movie.
[UNKNOWN]: They're using specifically using certain string instruments to create this tension and the way that they're using the bow and skittering it on the strings or getting these deep resonant sounds.
[UNKNOWN]: And I got all over excited and I was like, Mark, Mark!
[UNKNOWN]: You got a, uh, uh, cellos and how are cellos used to create tone and all this kind of stuff and so he, he made a, he wrote a set of voice mail in okay kind of taking me down at a step or two.
[UNKNOWN]: That's part of our, you know, we get this ongoing thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty funny.
[UNKNOWN]: And I listen to it ahead of time and you try to me, says you didn't have a courage to listen to it live on air.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, you got me, anyway, we've got a whole conversation about music and tone, but what I wanted to do at this point was play the clip that got me excited about how they're using the score and the sound in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is a little bit of...
[UNKNOWN]: this out and what's not what's important is not the dialogue but the the musical instruments in the background.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is from the scene of them leaving the Queen's chambers to go talk to Darren.
[UNKNOWN]: At any rate, we must begin.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that felt?
[UNKNOWN]: This is an absolutely crowned battle.
[UNKNOWN]: Here the
[UNKNOWN]: To house and feed all these Muslims to organize tourneys and grandpa station
[UNKNOWN]: I don't tell you I got it in your grace, and then here how it sort of goes wrong, sort of goes out.
[UNKNOWN]: So all throughout this episode there are, you know, cellos and violins, whatever, they're using them to ramp tension, to draw out tension, to create these deep resonance, resonant sounding sounds, and I just thought it was brilliant, and I think it's what,
[UNKNOWN]: elevated the episode for me because it's such a smart use of score in an episode of television.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's an urgency to this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: There's an urgency to what she's dealing with and it comes through and both the acting and the sounds.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if you took the sound away, if you took the soundtrack away, the episode would be, yeah, it just wouldn't work.
[UNKNOWN]: It would not work at all the same way.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you ever see the crown television?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I've never watched it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Just from the acting standpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never watched it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, it's just the way that who's so good?
[UNKNOWN]: Scott, I'm Helioclarke.
[UNKNOWN]: No, gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: What's her name?
[UNKNOWN]: Stafford's in my head now.
[UNKNOWN]: Not, not this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Not this show.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I'm a bad podcaster.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: Embadarsy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like, you know, sometimes a neuron gets like been at a shape and stuck and you know, I even have Amelia Clark in the thing, not Embadarsy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what else?
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Embadarsy, they're acting in this
[UNKNOWN]: scene, just phenomenal the way, uh, um, her near as addressing her half-brother, um, just, uh, I was just so taken by the performance.
[UNKNOWN]: And he thoughts,
[UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, every time that I can say it, it's just that, Rainara is so compelling of a character.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I hope for, you know what I mean, I hope for.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's something that's very rare in television reviewing for me that I hope for the best possible outcomes for a character.
[UNKNOWN]: Normally, I'm just like, oh, let me sit back and watch whatever happens happens.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: But this is one character that I hope for.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's because of the way that the portrayal is being given to me.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm a Darcy's performance.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let's do this.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's take another quick break.
[UNKNOWN]: And when we come back, let's talk about the various problems of the realm.
[UNKNOWN]: and we're back, let's talk about the 99 problems of the realm.
[UNKNOWN]: We never meet with her advisors in small counts of room to discuss the problems, including no gold, no grain, planting season of off is off, pirates are about to land, not enough to ships to protect the trade lanes, the disposition of aim in one eye and vagar, and oh, the rats.
[UNKNOWN]: And then as she leaves the chamber, she's beset by the household staff with a million more minor but critical details.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was a disaster.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd like to check in my head.
[UNKNOWN]: any in the music in the background too right there's just all of this this tempo that that's just been like this urgency to it is it's like oh no what else what else what else and it just gosh disaster did you notice that they didn't use the little balls to like check in you know those little marble things yeah I didn't notice that yeah they're not using them they're not official
[UNKNOWN]: So, and there's this question about, are you going to bring your small council back?
[UNKNOWN]: They betrayed me, but so, how do you, how do you sit a small council then you just, doesn't, can't she just say?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, small council, this is it now, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's, it's careful planning, because you have to pick from the right houses.
[UNKNOWN]: true can you can't true be you've seen to have favors or to be in this favor by particular house this is all political and you've lost in somebody who's good with coin or good laws or what have you and then we get I think in the moment
[UNKNOWN]: Reneera decides to elevate Messiah to mass mistress of whispers whispers is it attorney's general or Mistress of whispers sneak sneaks.
[UNKNOWN]: We got a lot going on here.
[UNKNOWN]: Did that catch you or I was like I kind of fist bumped a little bit when when she did that.
[UNKNOWN]: There was, yeah, I felt it was good to see her there because it was up in the air whether she would be there or not, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because when she left the king's land and she's like, don't forget me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, don't forget me, don't leave me here.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't forget me and it's good that she's not forgotten.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's elevated now.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yes, she's been elevated.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a discussion on the discord too about whether she's going to mean effective um, mistress of whispers or not.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't see why she wouldn't be.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She ran a pretty big network in King's Landing already.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And she had.
[UNKNOWN]: tendrils into the red keep right so she already had now maybe you know the seris had a global network or seemingly but he had years and years to build that so there is
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, no, from from Game of Thrones.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, on Varus.
[UNKNOWN]: Varus, did I say, who did I say?
[UNKNOWN]: You said the Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: He said that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just, I'm just trying to catch something stir up the emails.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to give feedback.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care if it's them, like, people taking me down because I got a name wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Gal, don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Y'all don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Podcasting is a lot of work.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, but no, I don't see why she would not be good in this role.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she has the capability to
[UNKNOWN]: find shit out.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's basically what she's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: She's an information broker.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think she's proven.
[UNKNOWN]: She's shown to be good at that.
[UNKNOWN]: So why come into King's Landing?
[UNKNOWN]: What she's not be able to continue in this role?
[UNKNOWN]: And really, you know, reach new levels given her station.
[UNKNOWN]: because in a way she was constrained before right now she is in the small council she is a part of the inner circle of the queen of the ruler.
[UNKNOWN]: So that gives her even more latitude to find shit out.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think this is yeah I don't see why she would not be able to.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she'll be able to build back up from her previous network.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm sure she has a lot of people who really like working with her.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess you could say it that way to weird way.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, you're back.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm sure she has her allies.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's experienced.
[UNKNOWN]: She's been around the world.
[UNKNOWN]: She knows a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have no doubt in her abilities to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, did you catch Damon's reaction when he learned about the fate of, uh, as at Lord's strong, the Castellan of, um, Aaron, yeah, he looked a little, little sad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he did.
[UNKNOWN]: He looked a little sad, which I was not expecting to see out of Damon.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I think he appreciated Lord's strong.
[UNKNOWN]: He had a little fondness for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think so.
[UNKNOWN]: I think so.
[UNKNOWN]: But he didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: That fall the shit that I think, and he's terrible person.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't get me wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Please, I don't want anyone to think that I'm saying he's not terrible, he's terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: But there are moments where you can see that if it's not a conscience, there is some sort of morality that has rubbed off on him throughout his years.
[UNKNOWN]: There's something, it's interesting, whereas for, you know, his nephew who wants to be his son, I don't see that at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see Amen in that way.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see Kristen Cole in that way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd
[UNKNOWN]: So I think Damon has more depth to him.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I'm willing to give most of the time that I can recognize it when I see it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he asks about Alice, which, you know, what are his feelings about her as well?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that was an interesting, I think that was that that whole little bit there was was really telling about him.
[UNKNOWN]: But he also knows how this has power.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So what are those two?
[UNKNOWN]: And he knows that he denied her what she asked of him.
[UNKNOWN]: He said he he'd bring it up didn't he didn't he say that?
[UNKNOWN]: He said it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Did it mean it?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I didn't say that.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't making any commentary about whether that's good or not.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, yeah, what was he originally going to do to Missari?
[UNKNOWN]: Let her go, I think he said, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And then it took Raniera to follow through on that.
[UNKNOWN]: So they, I just really wanted to quickly mention to, I think it was an episode two when we watched AIMAND Storm Heron Hall.
[UNKNOWN]: I just loved the mirror of when Damon did the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like both these dragon writers coming in and with their swords drawn and sort of single-handedly running through this castle, even though Damon used dragon fire to burn a bunch of guys like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I just loved the mirror version of these two.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we're...
[UNKNOWN]: I have no doubt that Damon and Amand are going to fight this season.
[UNKNOWN]: at some point you think it's going to happen this year.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know when in the story line it's going to happen but it's got to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: The guy wants to be him basically, right, which is what they were showing with his assault on her and all.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, even assault on her.
[UNKNOWN]: 100 doing exactly what his uncle did 100% now.
[UNKNOWN]: What role would Alice play in this, given that, like I said, Damon, total kick rocks, a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not getting hurt all.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's go into the next scene.
[UNKNOWN]: I love gold.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I just had a simple clip from gold number because that's all to keep to mind on that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, we're near a conference, Allison, about the missing gold.
[UNKNOWN]: Helena has some questions and then Allison offers some practical advice.
[UNKNOWN]: And we've got a walk in talk with Reneera and Masaria and Reneera thinks she sees
[UNKNOWN]: this in the later scene with Alicent and Reneira I think were some of my favorite scenes of this episode and really elevated the whole episode because it goes back to what we were talking before and what sort of your point is that you know one of the core elements of this story is this relationship between Alicent and Reneira.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, Allison does done everything that she can to get Reneera back into the castle.
[UNKNOWN]: And here they are, you know, meeting in this moment.
[UNKNOWN]: And not only are Emma Darcy and what's Allison's actresses name.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at her from the show guide right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Olivia Cook.
[UNKNOWN]: not only are they just both phenomenal actors, just acting to hell off of each other.
[UNKNOWN]: The idea that when Allison offers some practical advice, like, hey, nobody knows what he looks like.
[UNKNOWN]: He's dead.
[UNKNOWN]: You could do that.
[UNKNOWN]: This is your play.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if Allison could advise Reneira, you know, through these troubled waters right now, like that would be
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know practically how you do that, how you keep that information secret that you're getting in for me, because seeing these two characters, having the former queer regions and you, the new queen working together, I think the citizenry would have a hard time parsing that, but man, Allison is just a font of information and practical advice.
[UNKNOWN]: She's walked this path.
[UNKNOWN]: and later that conversation about like you can't know what you don't know because you haven't walked this path yet.
[UNKNOWN]: That she understands how to do this job is would be such a benefit to Reneera in this difficult time and getting things in order.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to say confront what she's, what she's done or anything of that nature.
[UNKNOWN]: But she, in this moment in this talk, with Rainara looking at her by saying,
[UNKNOWN]: why should I believe anything that you, the truth said, why should I have any doubt that you aren't lying to me, you know, and it's not so much of the things that are being said,
[UNKNOWN]: everything is you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how I'm looking at it.
[UNKNOWN]: I see, like, everything is you.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, and you always know, and you always know more than you say that you know.
[UNKNOWN]: So in this moment,
[UNKNOWN]: that you of all people don't know where the gold is at and then she has to really say they didn't trust me, they didn't want me around, they hated me for the power that I had, my own father
[UNKNOWN]: use me and hit things from me.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you notice, so again to the earlier point of two friends going back and forth, trying to reconcile those very grave injustices that have before the different ships.
[UNKNOWN]: The things that they've both done to each other.
[UNKNOWN]: Intentionally end unintentionally.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not just about the goalt, it's about like you are in a situation that you know how hard it is for women like us to be in.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not a me-you thing, this is a us thing here.
[UNKNOWN]: You're saying to help a sister out here, it's that truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Both of them though, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think both of them are saying that, they're both saying that to each other, like, you know how hard this is for me.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: give me a bit of grace here to express what I'm expressing my truth because if I can't express it to you who I'm going to express it to.
[UNKNOWN]: This scene to me is so important to the overall story
[UNKNOWN]: because it gets to the core of how do you how do you get back can you ever get back yeah yeah what does get him back even look like what does it mean what is what does that actually me I've kept my promises I did what I said I was going to do
[UNKNOWN]: And there's not any circumstances.
[UNKNOWN]: They got us not a year.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't shoot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is what I said I was going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm here and look at all that I don't have in order to keep me here.
[UNKNOWN]: What role did you plan that?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, but you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: do anything to you.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not going to keep you from going to the God's words.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll get to see your daughter a few times a day, a few times a week.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what I can give to you right now, which is something that she says to someone else later on in the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what I
[UNKNOWN]: And a number of those decisions are not bad decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: And then a number of those decisions are very bad decisions, where she's doing these trade-offs.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you can't understand right now the pressure that I'm under, so I can't give you the thing that you want.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: with turns out later, Elizabeth Gorillaz is a really bad decision, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So she's constantly making this, and this is what I was saying before about like not having the decision-making infrastructure around you to process these things, think through these things, think through the ramifications.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just up in her head with Masaria with Damon, with the
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody else has got their agenda and none of their agendas are Reneera's agenda Which is how do we stabilize the realm and at least Alice and can see a little bit through to that How do you say the realm how do I stabilize?
[UNKNOWN]: My throne my claim yeah, please
[UNKNOWN]: and Allison is one person who can see through all of that and actually gives her practical advice.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's for her, not for Allison's benefit, but for Reneera's benefit.
[UNKNOWN]: So that getting back to their relationship, like what does it mean to get back to where we were before?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's at least the spirit of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I can give you something that's for you and it has no value to me.
[UNKNOWN]: now now yeah i'm not and i'm not giving it to you as calling to pay to get pay back later i'm just giving you the advice that you need to hear right now for the sake of the advice sorry you were gonna say something before no no no that's yeah way doesn't um helina want to stay in that room i don't i didn't get that oh
[UNKNOWN]: No, maybe so make it right in.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what, what is that, what room were they in and why it was that, that wasn't the nursery where her kids were killed was, I didn't think that's what that room was.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't, I don't think it was.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a great thing too in this scene is where we start to get that low background rumbling of sort of using the sound design to give us the interiority of of Reneira's space and inside of her head.
[UNKNOWN]: So very cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And then later when she sees Jace in the hallway, and I think dopamine had some points about this and her voice about it, we'll get on Thursday.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we gotta remember how much strain physically?
[UNKNOWN]: Mentally not just the mental but the physical the actual PT that she's lost two sons in the span of how long how long ago Did did all this kick off.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not long right along at all.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they were not this is not years Serious wasn't killed three or four years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: He was killed like a month ago or something So she's lost both of her sons
[UNKNOWN]: and her father, and given birth.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when she sees another guy walking in the street, it's like, it totally, yeah, like, who wouldn't seeing, be seeing some ghosts, right?
[UNKNOWN]: The at least that's why I was taking it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that's, or if other people have, you know, I'm curious to hear what people think about that scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I love the way that she says, um, to Messiah, let the staff be questioned as if, like, let the rain fall on them, let the sunshine upon them, like, let this thing happen, let it happen that they get interrogated, I just love the phrase and give that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we get the we get a Linda Massey who is her lady in waiting who went to the the town.
[UNKNOWN]: We get her name and we see her later, but new way.
[UNKNOWN]: This is where she gets called up.
[UNKNOWN]: So I thought that was kind of cool.
[UNKNOWN]: No, a night mint for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Raniera meets with the high septent of the face of the seven in the throne room.
[UNKNOWN]: Fees.
[UNKNOWN]: The twey.
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[UNKNOWN]: these septons, they gotta go, and they have a not met one good ass septon yet in this entire industry of the septons, I have not met one good one yet, is the fight part about having, I'll have in perfect knowledge right of multiple seasons of televisions we could
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: It's standing there with this like, holy of the endow.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: I got a quote right here.
[UNKNOWN]: You got it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: What is it?
[UNKNOWN]: A dragon appeared to me in my greatest need.
[UNKNOWN]: My gods do not deal in dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: They are a profane, magic, created in darkness and pride and lust for power, for impunity.
[UNKNOWN]: They destroy, but they do not create, there's no good, that can come of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, that guy's just eating the scenery, I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: cares, which you have to say, weren't good to not eat it, dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I know she, you know, when he says that don't, don't make an enemy of the, of the face, I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: But in that moment, I wanted her to.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I wanted her to.
[UNKNOWN]: To a question is, is,
[UNKNOWN]: Or is his assessment, okay, great granted, he's, you know, he's standing between her and the throne and her legitimacy.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's wielding his power and blocking her.
[UNKNOWN]: Even in the shot, I posted a screenshot in the discord of this, the way that composed the shot, he's standing between her and the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's eyeline matched with the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, it's such a great use of visual,
[UNKNOWN]: of the shot of whatever I think, cinematography.
[UNKNOWN]: But is he wrong about dragons?
[UNKNOWN]: Are they profane magic?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Are they destroyers and not creators?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Can good come from a dragon?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you not see sheepy feed?
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha.
[UNKNOWN]: What are we even talking about here?
[UNKNOWN]: She'd be, she'd be, she'd be, she'd be the same as I'm sorry, man.
[UNKNOWN]: The hungry, down-tronen.
[UNKNOWN]: Togarian, in the wild, I said, you hungry, I got you.
[UNKNOWN]: I got you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what she'd be said.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yes, he's wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: He is 1,000 percent wrong, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think he's got a point.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: No matter how oldious his position is.
[UNKNOWN]: This not the dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the intent of what the dragon do.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so it's not the tool, it's the tool user.
[UNKNOWN]: to do what Dragonwriters make them do, because they just be out eating sheep.
[UNKNOWN]: into living and living and sharing.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm sharing.
[UNKNOWN]: You've got to be clear about that.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not just going around just eating random sheep.
[UNKNOWN]: He's eating sheep and sharing sheep.
[UNKNOWN]: Sharing with a Targaryen with a, you know, because we have to remember, it was a Karaxi's burned a whole bunch of other dragon seeds.
[UNKNOWN]: A, I know what they did to deserve it, but she had to get nothing at that time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not my call, it's not my call.
[UNKNOWN]: You just glad you weren't there.
[UNKNOWN]: Basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think this is still an interesting thing though.
[UNKNOWN]: Regardless of his point of view on the dragons, it's just legitimacy of power.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And who legitimizes your power?
[UNKNOWN]: And JD over on the dungeon, the do rag podcast and YouTube show, which is a new affiliate of ours.
[UNKNOWN]: I was listening to their episode three coverage and they got a great guest on their this one one of wrongs tick-tock neighbors.
[UNKNOWN]: And anyways, it's good episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't finished it yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, JD makes this point about how in.
[UNKNOWN]: earlier times, and when he did his studies in theater and stuff, and they were studying sort of Elizabeth, whatever, you know, medieval, that this question of appearances as to the legitimacy of rule that you follow all the forms, and the people are seeing to see that the God, you know, that God is anointed you, and all of this stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, you could make
[UNKNOWN]: You could have good trade and protect your people and with the crops and all that kind of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: But without the appearance of the legitimacy of the rule, the rule will always be suspect.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we don't use that form in the same way.
[UNKNOWN]: but yet the appearance of power and how somebody appears to wield power is as important as how many votes you got or how many, you know, how many small dollar donations you got.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, there's different ways that we measure legitimacy now.
[UNKNOWN]: or question legitimacy like people you know my question your current mayor like is this guy really legitimate because he's got some funny letters after his name you know his party is got a weird name you know it's got a boogey boogey man name and they're we're going to make it a boogey man name.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's that speaks to legitimacy though okay I think that the legitimacy that we're talking about here is.
[UNKNOWN]: being recognized by the people that the people say, they're the ones, you know, when he says, when the sentence says, you know, don't make an enemy of the faith, it comforts and aids people blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not that.
[UNKNOWN]: the people view the septum as part of the hierarchy that makes the decisions as to who rules.
[UNKNOWN]: The dragons made that decision when the first target area is for stepfoot in the seven.
[UNKNOWN]: The power that they held,
[UNKNOWN]: that they displayed when Aegon and Conqueror came through with his sisters, sister-wise, was the legitimacy.
[UNKNOWN]: Throughout time, you just can't go around burning people all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: That doesn't bold well, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because you're gonna lose your tax base if you keep doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna lose the people who grow your crops, if you keep doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: So they had to find other ways to make themselves legitimate in the eyes of the people that they chose, the people that they ruled.
[UNKNOWN]: But the power, and I think this is what Reinaura is hinting at.
[UNKNOWN]: the dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have the power to be legitimate if I so choose to be.
[UNKNOWN]: That's demons argument.
[UNKNOWN]: We got sick of dragons go go to the ends of the earth and just but I think this is, I think this is how argument with deceptive in this moment is that I have the power.
[UNKNOWN]: to be legitimate, but still I come to you, because I recognize that much to your dismay, I do see the value in elevating who the small folk turned to when they don't look at me.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, the magic trick.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, this goes to, this is bears' famous line, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Power resides where men believe it resides.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a treasure, a shadow on the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's always going to reside with the dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's a real politics kind of thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like who's got the nukes, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's got the guns when I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: But we're going to make it so that, yeah, we don't have to constantly remind you by burning them of the fuckers up, that we got the dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: So, well, that's her father's argument.
[UNKNOWN]: That's her father's argument.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're getting the two sides.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's trying to find herself in this position.
[UNKNOWN]: She's got Damon Pullenner, one direction, and she's got her father's ghost, Pullenner, and another direction.
[UNKNOWN]: She's got Missaria whispering in her ear, and then she's got Dyseptin, blogging her, right, just being a real jerk.
[UNKNOWN]: All of this, all of this is happening.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the day, if she wanted to, she could dispense with all of this,
[UNKNOWN]: because they're important in having the recognition, not from the small council, not from the nobles, the houses, but from the small folk, they have to buy it.
[UNKNOWN]: and the way to get to them, messaging-wise, through the Sabbath.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Because that's where most of them, I'm guessing, believe, and that that is those power structures within that religion.
[UNKNOWN]: At least looking around and distribute the information, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They're gatekeepers of information.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: and not saying that keeping is good or bad, it's what you do with it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because the flow of information is important as is the information itself.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's important that we see Rinarra recognize this.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this episode is all her dealing with the practicalities.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it...
[UNKNOWN]: This is what she has to show.
[UNKNOWN]: And she knows it and for it to be any other way for them not to interact for, you know, the people running up there and saying, hey, I need this, we need this, we need that for that not to happen, wouldn't be true.
[UNKNOWN]: She has to show, they have to show her.
[UNKNOWN]: in this mode, because this is very much in the way that Damon is not, he would not counsel her to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: He would, like you said, he would just consider to do whatever the fuck you want to go.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to take your dragons and take it from.
[UNKNOWN]: We had the dragons.
[UNKNOWN]: No one can stop us.
[UNKNOWN]: We can do whatever we want to do whenever we want to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is also, you know, like we can poke holes in that argument as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: We've been watching the, that new World War II series that Tom Hanks is narrating.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you, it's really good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, they're dropping episodes, two episodes every Monday right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we're up to 12 episodes out or 14 episodes, something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, one of the last, most recent episodes was on the Air War and Air Power in World War II and how, um,
[UNKNOWN]: the allies, the Americans, and the British were using strategic bombing, and how it wasn't working.
[UNKNOWN]: And for as much, quote-unquote, precision bombing as the Americans were doing during the daylight hours, the Germans were able to adapt to that and move things around, and there's all kinds of complications.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can't just because you have a dragon,
[UNKNOWN]: doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to be able to hold ground or get people to capitulates or, you know, or actually acquiesce to your demands.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they will in the short run, but unless you have the structures of power in place around them, holding people to account, it doesn't work.
[UNKNOWN]: Air power alone is only goes so far.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was doing some just noodling around on the internet, too, just thinking about different
[UNKNOWN]: Um, cultures and societies over on on earth one here and you know, who who's lasted long and what worked and what hasn't sort of, you know, the Romans made a good run of it for a long time, but one of the things they did was they had political structures and legal structures and infrastructure structures that all kinds of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: to create a robust control for that long, like thousands of thousands of years, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't do that with just a dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: You've got to put people into place.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Damon's argument is so short-sighted because he's not building a political infrastructure, an military infrastructure, an illegal infrastructure, and an economic infrastructure that is going to sustain you being able to control all of this territory forever in a day.
[UNKNOWN]: And part of that has to do with the appearance of power, that people believe that you are the legitimate rulers.
[UNKNOWN]: You're, I, I don't know what you're thinking there.
[UNKNOWN]: You're just, no, I'm, I'm hearing you and for me, I think if Damon were to be king, let's just say, if Damon were to be king,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even think he would stay.
[UNKNOWN]: The geeky think he just pissed off after a little while.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no way he's dealing with the talo and the bad chamber and the, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: He would burn a few people and he would, he would fly somewhere to do more concrete if he could.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Free of constraints.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he would, he would state to, to, which one on court rule?
[UNKNOWN]: Which makes you even question like, bro, why do you even want the title of the crowd?
[UNKNOWN]: Like why would you even attempt to reach for that?
[UNKNOWN]: So he's going to roll up in a new land and say, you know, I'm king of watching a call it and I'm here.
[UNKNOWN]: What's up?
[UNKNOWN]: To what it, right, to ultimately just to that end, just to that end.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he would fancy himself an a-gone.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, re-imagine, I mean, we somewhere and bring the truth of the Targaryens to them.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he would even stay in Kingsley.
[UNKNOWN]: We hear him arguing with Masaria in these various meetings, like, oh, the Jepore people are just rebel-rousing and, you know, we're, you know, we're just, he is not thinking about the small details of actually ruling.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think he would, which is why his, his, you know, advice is just, it's British.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a terrible advisor.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: He may be a good fighter, like put him in the battle, but like, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, we got to move on to the next scene here.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, maybe I should, I put this down.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I'm not this one, I hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been here in some chatter, so I'm just curious.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause, you know, Raniera dines with Coralis and his sons and the Nafter dinner she passes bail in the hall and able to sleep in her father's bed.
[UNKNOWN]: She finds Cudn for what there has been.
[UNKNOWN]: But this question of her not recognizing not seeing the family resemblance in Coralus' son.
[UNKNOWN]: I've heard some funny takes on this.
[UNKNOWN]: I was curious to what your thoughts are.
[UNKNOWN]: No, like when she first said it, my eyebrow did raise, like, he told him, you ain't seen her as simple as that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not me.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, what do you mean?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it came to me.
[UNKNOWN]: But then it left because
[UNKNOWN]: she's not not been around black folk.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't think it would have been a surprise or that I don't see color coming from her in this moment.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that was it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think
[UNKNOWN]: he had in the other kids, that she didn't know about.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: She never took the time.
[UNKNOWN]: She was never taking him.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: She never took the time to learn.
[UNKNOWN]: She hated him.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't point because it wasn't what he did to her, to his son.
[UNKNOWN]: So it wasn't as if she was going around and asking about Coralist and, you know, being interested in his life and his family and what they're all up to.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I did, again, I didn't take it as that I don't see color situation.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, well, he's definitely going to listen to the Dungeons and Door eggs guys because they have some, they're having some fun with the topic.
[UNKNOWN]: everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure they did.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they did.
[UNKNOWN]: The real quick though, we have to, we've got to speed up here a little bit, but there's a point I wanted to make quickly, you know, we don't see the Valerians later on in the story and Game of Thrones, right?
[UNKNOWN]: They're, they're not around anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: pretty much so yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, I'm not a book reader, so I don't know, you know, these these deeper histories.
[UNKNOWN]: But it feels like the Valarian lines about to come to an abrupt end in this show, in in how's the dragon we're not.
[UNKNOWN]: Coralis and his folk are not going to make it out.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you look, Laina, Lainor, Vamed, Renese, the Valerian fleet, Driftmark, all in service to the Targaryens, ground up in the machinery of Targaryen bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, this house is gone.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: It has no legitimate airs left.
[UNKNOWN]: They want to be no blood out blood airs.
[UNKNOWN]: They won't be gone, but to your point is, they will suffer greatly.
[UNKNOWN]: And they have something to keep giving.
[UNKNOWN]: They keep giving.
[UNKNOWN]: We could talk about Coralists and his motivations and whatever, but every time they give the Targaryens take and they get nothing in return.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but my thing is,
[UNKNOWN]: Or this could have done better for his family.
[UNKNOWN]: One, he did not have to have Lainor, wed, Rainara.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't have to push for that.
[UNKNOWN]: His wife told him, don't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: that lane on was gay.
[UNKNOWN]: You right, he knew it, he knew it, but he did it anyway because he felt like that was going to be the way that the line made a move for the throne, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Do he isn't here?
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would be a prime right if they had a kid.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there would be that kid would have been next in line right.
[UNKNOWN]: So he didn't have to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: What which goes into the whole second sun complex.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So everything that he's doing is because he wants to obtain power status
[UNKNOWN]: that he already has.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't need anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody wants more in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: But when you take a step back, he said things into motion for his family, that he didn't have to.
[UNKNOWN]: Princess, you know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Reheases Princess.
[UNKNOWN]: You got power.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a lot of soft power.
[UNKNOWN]: Excuse me.
[UNKNOWN]: And if she and they had a lot of power, they were, they were a wealthiest house.
[UNKNOWN]: They were the wealthiest house.
[UNKNOWN]: And I would argue that if not for him pushing, for his visorist to marry his, right, what?
[UNKNOWN]: 11-year-old child.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, for signalling or to marry Renara, I would say that if he had not done those things, that perhaps the Valerians would not be in the situation that they are, where he's desperately grasping to find a way up for his family.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing his sons but for his family.
[UNKNOWN]: It is still the case that closer you get to the machinations of power and the more you want it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think part of the moral lessons of the story, so to speak, I guess we could say.
[UNKNOWN]: is that it will grind you up.
[UNKNOWN]: And it will grind up everything that you hold dear.
[UNKNOWN]: And everything that you have, who put importance on in your life, it will grind the more you keep feeding the machine, it will keep grinding you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly what happened to him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so you say they keep giving and giving and the Targaryens, he's taken and taken you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: But his house was the wealthiest house.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: before before the dance before before all of this right where he kept trying to attain more attain more attain more attain more so what for all does he play in the loss that they've encountered that's a good point
[UNKNOWN]: He's not without, you know, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he did.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not without sin, but also not without agency.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, this, you know, that was his boy, you know what I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That was his guy, come on man.
[UNKNOWN]: And now in position as the hand, he maybe he was a good wartime hand, but he is not a good peace time hand, because he's thinking about, he's wounded.
[UNKNOWN]: His everything, he's got two bastard sons.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all that's left.
[UNKNOWN]: Drift Marks a flame, his fleidious smashed.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's not thinking about how are we gonna feed the small folk?
[UNKNOWN]: He's thinking about, I defer to the queen.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: You're the freaking hand of the queen, queen.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta have an opinion, man.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta be up in this.
[UNKNOWN]: Helping her make the hard calls.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's all he's thinking about right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are what he tells her.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we're getting near the episode here.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's into the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's take another real quick break.
[UNKNOWN]: And then let's see if we can speed run the back half here.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: .
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we're back.
[UNKNOWN]: Reneera is preparing to hear from the small folk with her lady in waiting Alinda Massey.
[UNKNOWN]: She then hears their petitions while sitting on the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to make a note here too.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a bunch of stuff going on in here.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, we're going to have some good feedback.
[UNKNOWN]: Dopaminee already sent us a voicemail on this topic.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's been some great conversations in the discord about this.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's a bunch of stuff going on in here and I just want to be a little bit careful in navigating some of the conversation because we'll address it more in the feedback episode.
[UNKNOWN]: But man, this little set of scenes here, it carries a lot of weight.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of important stuff going down in this.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything from her getting dressed to hearing the petitions and seeing and sitting on that throne, there's a lot going on.
[UNKNOWN]: What are your top line takes for what we got?
[UNKNOWN]: It's so difficult to be in the situation that she's in without really the help that she needs.
[UNKNOWN]: She has to listen to the petitions.
[UNKNOWN]: It's an important part of the appearance of power, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That the small folk have access to their ruler.
[UNKNOWN]: God, do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: She has a period.
[UNKNOWN]: She has to listen to people who she can't show that she has any sort of emotion.
[UNKNOWN]: She has to sit there, be stone-faced, make these decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: A son died.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Aegon is missing, the septon is, basically saying, yo, I'm not going to go along with what you're doing until I can see a body.
[UNKNOWN]: And even then, I'm going to do it reluctantly.
[UNKNOWN]: Even then, I'm going to do it reluctantly.
[UNKNOWN]: She already, she had this conversation with, you know, Coralist.
[UNKNOWN]: So she knows where that's headed.
[UNKNOWN]: She has no gold.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything is coming to the head right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And as we see her sit there and listen, and there's this determination on her face that is like, I'm gonna get through this shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna get through this shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's what I felt in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she's sitting here and she has all of this.
[UNKNOWN]: App, everything is just laid out for her.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's, you know, it's almost like she's looking past everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: If that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: When the made, you know, gives her the tea and whisperers is for your cramps, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: As she looks at it, she doesn't drink it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you have to be like, I'm sitting there like, I know I would drink this.
[UNKNOWN]: I ain't gonna lie.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying, to soothe the pain that I'm in.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have taken something to sue that, me, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's not just a physical pain that she's in.
[UNKNOWN]: We've yet to see her, you know, let go.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I've seen her at any moment in time since when, when is it?
[UNKNOWN]: I've yet to see a smile.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: And here's something that can help you through the pain that you're feeling.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, no, I don't want it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to take it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, like, I know I can do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that I couldn't do it, and then the second thing I thought about was when she's walking to the throne and we follow her footsteps up bloody, wasn't that that was the last episode?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was the last episode.
[UNKNOWN]: The ending of last episode, because she sits down on the throne, her footsteps up bloody.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: the first her first capacity as queen.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's before it wasn't her blood on the throne.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Now it's hers.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Literally.
[UNKNOWN]: She's in this moment.
[UNKNOWN]: her footsteps, her blood led her to the throne, and now she's sitting on it and her blood is on throne.
[UNKNOWN]: This is her shit.
[UNKNOWN]: This is hers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I, yeah, it's a lot, right?
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot going on.
[UNKNOWN]: And just before this, we see the visual is unmistakable when she's getting dressed.
[UNKNOWN]: Elena Massey crowns her.
[UNKNOWN]: But she's crowned the queen, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like sometimes we in a show, there'll be a scene where people get married, but they're not getting married.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not in a church, and there's not somebody officiating.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's something that happens though, there's wedding, or there's a symbolic death, somebody drowns, but then they pop up, Luke popping up out of the garbage compact, or underwater, that's his rebirth, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And he's now heroic, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's gone through this baptism.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is a symbolic moment of,
[UNKNOWN]: Reneera, being crowned by somebody, another woman in this case, and then she's sitting on the throne, which is the trappings of power, the appearance of power, hearing petitions from the small folk from which her power base ultimately resides, she has to cultivate that relationship with those people with the small folk.
[UNKNOWN]: to ultimately, to be able to maintain her position, because the nobles are gonna erode her at every chance they get.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And meanwhile, she's doing it as a human being with all of the stuff that's going on for a woman who's lost two children recently given birth, and then is physiologically having their her first period.
[UNKNOWN]: which is a dopamine, we'll talk about it in their voicemail.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's a big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's all happening to her in this moment.
[UNKNOWN]: All that ones, all that ones.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was interesting to just the thought of like, well, we don't have meat and we don't have wool and blacksmith don't have anything going on and the archers and whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: The flywheel of the economy is really broken.
[UNKNOWN]: and to recreate the economy and get things rolling again, while keeping as many people alive as you can in the short term, that is a, that is no small feat.
[UNKNOWN]: And God, I don't know how they're gonna get through all of that, because it's a, it's a, the tangled mess.
[UNKNOWN]: Wasn't, so one of the, the woman that came up who talked about the,
[UNKNOWN]: Rich hoarding during the the times of famine silvi wasn't she what didn't aim and lay with her wasn't she the person Wasn't that so I didn't I didn't make note of that huh.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure that that's that's who you know remember when Amin is laying in one of your houses egg on comes in with his king's guard buddies and they find him curled up.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was silvi.
[UNKNOWN]: But somebody can correct us, they can write in.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll quick into the tiny council here where we've got Damon arguing with Vassaria about the poor.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're just rebel-rousing.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got mum Donnie's landing here, you know, quick, we're trying to bring some socialism to the people, but we've got the rich folks
[UNKNOWN]: And we've got it in, Reneer has got it in her head trying to do something about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, Coral, let's just check out.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I don't want to just, none of this smithing, yeah, yeah, this is not good.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the question of what your father do.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: The only thing going to flag here, we can talk about a little bit later, but this idea of no bless or bleese or the opposition of the noble, but I've got another spot where we can talk about that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I just want to flag that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then jump forward, really quick to renew a nighting the three dragons scene.
[UNKNOWN]: This was just hilarious.
[UNKNOWN]: I think not.
[UNKNOWN]: The white.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay,
[UNKNOWN]: But then I think here, right, we've, there's some unintentional harm that's being done to all these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Oof is an Oof, but he's getting smacked around.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure Damon would have rather cut his head off than Yeah, you see how he tilts his head.
[UNKNOWN]: When Damon is lighting and he tilts his head away from the soil.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, you're not going to cut my head off today.
[UNKNOWN]: Get out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: And then later, the hammer says, hey, what about my family in Dumble Town, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So we know that there's some hurt coming from there.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then just call an Adam, you know, given him hole and not anything else.
[UNKNOWN]: His face, man.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was so pleased when they were sitting at dinner earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: She said, you know, you were my assurance that the God will legitimize my rule.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam is so prohurt at moment.
[UNKNOWN]: So hurt in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: He is so hurt in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: And when Damon night's him and afterwards, and she's given them the oath to take.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the look on his face is like, hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't say, yeah, he goes, yeah, me too.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So moving on, so then we, we talked about this a little bit before where Allison comes to Reneira to make her request and they talk a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Great scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, there's this line that Reneira drops, I acknowledge the struggle, but dispute what I must become, uh, to become that I, to dispute that what I must become is what I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm paraphrased
[UNKNOWN]: But this idea that there's things that you can know about, you can know about being a parent.
[UNKNOWN]: I can know about being a pilot, but until you do, you know, I can know about writing a bike.
[UNKNOWN]: But until you do it and you are changed by it, you can't know that change until you're
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Renir has trained and observed and been around it all her life, but until she carries that weight, there's no way for her to know what that is going to do for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like not knowing what being a mother was like before being a mother.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not just giving birth, but it's actually caring for a child and loving a child as they grow and all of the days and the nights that you're involved in that, that affects a person.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's lots of things that we do that we can know about, but until we do them, do they affective in this in for us to really not even just know the truth, just be changed by it.
[UNKNOWN]: Allison's like, girl, you can know all this stuff, but.
[UNKNOWN]: you're not there yet, and you're going to be challenged and tested and you're going to have to change and you're going to have to figure out how to make that change, how that is.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's important for her to say that, though.
[UNKNOWN]: It is important, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: It's important for her to say that.
[UNKNOWN]: And it goes back to, you know, when you said, talk about her centering herself, you know, grounding herself.
[UNKNOWN]: It's important for her to remember that.
[UNKNOWN]: I might be queen, but I need to stay who I am, you know, like, I need to stay who I am.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's an important message that she needs to verbalize because everyone is going to want to change her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So you got to have a place from which to to start right.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, this is Allison giving her practical real advice.
[UNKNOWN]: There's got to there's a door that you have to know you have to design this room for yourself so that you can be the public you and the private you and you can hold yourself in that other space.
[UNKNOWN]: But until you do that, you don't know you got to do it until you do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You won't know how that works.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, anything else?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love her comment else.
[UNKNOWN]: It's comments like, man, your dad was in a bubble and none of us were inside that bubble.
[UNKNOWN]: None of us.
[UNKNOWN]: He was in his own world.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, and I liked how later, I think, well, coming up, what Damon says, oh, he renounced his dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: He did, did, did you
[UNKNOWN]: wasn't it, and it died, right, deceased.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Ballarian.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Ballarian in the, our show guide, I was just checked the show guide.
[UNKNOWN]: It's okay, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So didn't Ballarian die after he wrote it a couple of times?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just so straight up died.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, so it's, you know, that's that, I think that says something about what Damon thinks about his brother and about power and using, you know, having these, these flying nukes.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he did.
[UNKNOWN]: He, you know, was he afraid of the doom of Valeria because that's all he did was spend his time, you know, carving these little statues to a Valeria was he just constantly, I think he was constantly in fear of exercising this power because it'd be extraices power that would cause doom.
[UNKNOWN]: But then in not exercising these power, he let a whole bunch of stuff happen, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He was a flawed ruler.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, the bankwits are like, where are you at with the bankwits?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I had some thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I loved it.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I think it's practical.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, like, yeah, sure we love it, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it is practical because of who she did it to.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but those are the people, you need those people.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you need those people, but do you need those people?
[UNKNOWN]: They are the ones who have warehouses, there's ones who have ships, there's the ones who have carts, there's the ones that have the ability to financially, they don't want to find real running.
[UNKNOWN]: But they also cannot, you know, dispute your claim as ruler.
[UNKNOWN]: She knew, she knew who she was poking.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: She knew who she was poking.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't any, they weren't no members of the great houses there.
[UNKNOWN]: No, there was all petite bourgeoisie.
[UNKNOWN]: There was all all people who, I was even petite bourgeoisie there, they're minor people.
[UNKNOWN]: They were merchants and other houses as what she said.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Merchants and minor houses.
[UNKNOWN]: And you need those people to keep the economy working.
[UNKNOWN]: You do.
[UNKNOWN]: And then if you have enough of the things that they want,
[UNKNOWN]: And what do those, you know, what could that be?
[UNKNOWN]: Status, wealth, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: There are no ways to get around this banquet.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's also a power play.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's totally a power play.
[UNKNOWN]: It's also a power play.
[UNKNOWN]: one that she could not have done with the major houses.
[UNKNOWN]: So I appreciated that that she makes the claim to say, I know who I can fuck with in different ways.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you know.
[UNKNOWN]: where I can do the things that I just did into home, because she's gonna have to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: She's gonna have to play that game of knowing which buttons to push, and whose buttons she's pushing.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you catch this guy?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the poor, they're thieves and they fight like rats.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, bro, have you ever seen upper middle class?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the fucker fight like a rat?
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen some people screw some people over in the worst possible ways and they are not poor.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we got some real situations like that going down right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So, right, so I just, I, I, I loved the commentary that they put on to that, that, that, that, that line of dialogue that, you know, oh, yeah, these poor people, they're just even like, it's like now.
[UNKNOWN]: You're talking about yourself, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Pointing using finger at yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I think, um, yeah, there's, I think there's just really interesting question just from a historical standpoint and sort of a political philosophy standpoint, the question of noblessoblees and I can't pronounce this word.
[UNKNOWN]: There's this Hellenistic-Generosity, I stumbled across it when I was looking at the Wikipedia page, uh, Euro-Gentism or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, these ideas of, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: people with means and people without means and obligations between them and how things are redistributed through different forms.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems to be a pretty broad human scope, but a lot of the way it's done is very different throughout history.
[UNKNOWN]: But there has always been some kind of, oh, you got a lot and you don't have a little and there's some interplay between those and at least within medieval society maybe if Marilyn is probably listening to this, I don't know if you know if you know anything about the idea of no blessed oblige, but the obligation of the noble and how that was codified into society.
[UNKNOWN]: and how that plays into this with these minor houses.
[UNKNOWN]: And when there's a fracture in that or when that's broken, when that obligation is left behind, doesn't necessarily go so well.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think there's some interesting things there.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's this Torren Manderly guy, Dan Fogler?
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of people are talking about him.
[UNKNOWN]: They were happy to see him.
[UNKNOWN]: He was the dude at the end of the banquet when she was walking out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's a you play a role coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously because they give him a whole bunch of screen time.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was thinking, Oh, well, you know, if you need a small council guy like that guy is pretty sharp like he called it out.
[UNKNOWN]: He he told her straight.
[UNKNOWN]: He told the queen straight.
[UNKNOWN]: It was your blockade that caused this problem.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe they'll forget about that because they're all mad about their warehouse is getting the mandalies have a role to play.
[UNKNOWN]: He just saved it.
[UNKNOWN]: He like I appreciated his candor.
[UNKNOWN]: So I thought he would make a good small council.
[UNKNOWN]: person but we'll see I can say these they get a role and and I don't know the actor everybody talked about the act have how excited they are to see to say yeah I don't know how they recognize the acting yeah I know I looked at his filmography really quick and I didn't recognize anything apparently he's an American American actor which everybody was like oh my god an American actor because there's so many non-Americans on this set on this cast we talked about this already a little bit but Damon tries to convince renear that they could be like gods um
[UNKNOWN]: I think we anything else you want to say about this, I think we've kind of covered everything.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm just, I just know Damon.
[UNKNOWN]: You just tripped it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like what I said, yeah, he's.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a dumb man.
[UNKNOWN]: He's very straight tripping.
[UNKNOWN]: He's done with this, all this bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Just really go.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's still do some other bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: This bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm done with.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get this.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get to some other BS.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's raise on.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so I think we can wrap up here.
[UNKNOWN]: Sort of everything sort of comes to a boil real quick here.
[UNKNOWN]: Reneer in, in Missouri, talking the carriage as they write over to the great septum baler where they distribute parcels of goods and foods in the common folk, coreless confronts for a near regarding Adam's title.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Reneer tells Allison that Darren is take to black and Allison confirms his identity.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we have the dragonkeeper at the gate.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so we got a bunch of things here, but I have a little piece of audio that I need to play for you real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I'll do a trend.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, boss!
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey,
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm saying about the Targaryens and the Valerians, because he, you know, Damon took, Damon's head, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Every member of this family has gotten the bad end of the Targaryens.
[UNKNOWN]: That was great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was great.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, Corlis, let's loose, man, Steven Tazont.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, if finally he's got to, he finally got to do some acting.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, instead of playing this sort of stoic, you know, on the C-snake, or like he actually got to light it on fire there for a second.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's been doing some acting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it's all been very flat, you know, he's got to be very controlled.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Really?
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Grab me a scene and we'll talk about it next time.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to see where he's thrown some fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, so this, uh, passing out goods throwing turkeys out the back of the truck in the hood, you know, all that, uh, you know, power to the people kind of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's smart.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, smart.
[UNKNOWN]: It's smart.
[UNKNOWN]: In front of the set, a baler.
[UNKNOWN]: It's front of the set.
[UNKNOWN]: So smart, smart, smart.
[UNKNOWN]: And doesn't miss, sorry, you said, like, let this be your coronation.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, she gets crowned by Elena Massey and then, uh, then by the people and then by the people, uh, legitimizing the role.
[UNKNOWN]: And she says, you know, we've been apart too long.
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, did you, I first asked you this earlier when, uh, well, it's sort of a combined stage.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great book end, right, because we get the beginning and the end of the with the high tower, uh, sort of, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: look line and think your man.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that Darren was Darren.
[UNKNOWN]: I did not think he was fake Darren fair on.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I was completely and then I went back today when I was doing prep.
[UNKNOWN]: And I pulled up the scene from was it episode one and I'm like, oh, yeah, there's
[UNKNOWN]: There's our hard tower guy there, right?
[UNKNOWN]: There's what's his name, Ormond, at the beginning, when he receives the message or it's about 30 minutes into, I think episode one.
[UNKNOWN]: And who stand behind him?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Redhead Squire, where in high tower green?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I had no, I was, they got me.
[UNKNOWN]: So good.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the same.
[UNKNOWN]: The whole scene perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: They're friends at the very beginning of this episode of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: So good.
[UNKNOWN]: So I had a lot of fun with that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought, finally, somebody's taking the black, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody's been taking the black.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody's getting killed in this.
[UNKNOWN]: In this story.
[UNKNOWN]: But my question is, why didn't
[UNKNOWN]: What do you mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Bleach blind them off like a splurge, like, heart signs.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, you mean Jason.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,
[UNKNOWN]: and every time they get the touch ups, heads will roll so nobody knows.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we call it.
[UNKNOWN]: Let it check man.
[UNKNOWN]: You're killing a lot of... A lot of farmers.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just...
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we could have avoided this whole shit.
[UNKNOWN]: You're right exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: All these shenanigans.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody still want to know but at least they've parents out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it would have been avoided.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it looks like Switzerland went through on penalties, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it's being watched in the World Cup much.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I've really said to miss the Egypt Argentine.
[UNKNOWN]: I live there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's my only, that's my last hope now.
[UNKNOWN]: Was that the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, the blue, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the brown, the
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they're playing Morocco.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's looking pretty European in this final bracket here, except for Morocco.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, we're here to talk about let's finish up the house of the dragon right quick.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: He is doing everything that he's doing for him, for his own game, for his own stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing for Adam, nothing for Alan, it's just for him.
[UNKNOWN]: So when he dies, he can feel good about dying.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all he's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is unfortunate.
[UNKNOWN]: And I hope we get to a point where we can see some real contrition on his part for what he's done, not just to his two remaining sons,
[UNKNOWN]: to the children that he had before in his life.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he, I blame him for a lot of what happened to the Valeria.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just can't get over that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm happy that Alan and Adam have made their
[UNKNOWN]: the final word for John.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if you agree with John or you want to take issue with what he's got us to say, you can email us to h-o-t-d-at-the-lawhounds.com.
[UNKNOWN]: Nancy, our hand to the pod, has been helping us, but she is also on a trip spending some time with her family.
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[UNKNOWN]: And I'm telling you, Nancy may not like to be on a podcast or like, you know, we've tried to, we had her on, I think once.
[UNKNOWN]: She was like, oh, you know, like this, I don't like the center of my own voice, blah blah, all that, you know, people are self-conscious and whatever.
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[UNKNOWN]: And we get a lot of other great community members that will give a shout out to for in a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: Gosh, what do we got going on?
[UNKNOWN]: Vampire Listot, I think they just dropped an episode on Monday, got SuperGolar.
[UNKNOWN]: X-Men 97 season two's coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: You said, yeah, that's already started and we're probably gonna do a season ender one time.
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[UNKNOWN]: Silo episode is out.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know that Alicia has also got some subscriber exclusive book club stuff running parallel with that never mind the music just really say go check out the episode with you in Mark.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's going to be worth the wind and fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Questlove is really kicking it with the.
[UNKNOWN]: He's done.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I watched some summer.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: He did one like.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe three years ago, four years ago, the name of it is escaping me, but he's going and I'll come back to you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just looking at their lineup.
[UNKNOWN]: They've got some good stuff coming up.
[UNKNOWN]: Alana's more set, Lenny Cravitz, Lauren Hill.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I know we're coming up on a big anniversary podcast for them.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just sort of drop a bite hint that that'll be a cool show before long.
[UNKNOWN]: We're reporting something special later this month.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... don't forget radio active ramblings probably how it's on a little bit of break right now the starworks can't in time line project uh... and john has been working with some of the guys from radio active ramblings on a new show to cover the uh... cosmere books the brand and senders and stuff
[UNKNOWN]: And they're doing a sort of a book club thing.
[UNKNOWN]: They're actually doing a YouTube feed for this, where it's our first big for-array into YouTube stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And I believe that they've got a bunch of episodes in the can, and I think they're going to open that up and start dropping stuff on July at the end of July.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll make sure everybody knows about those, but keep your feeds open for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Summer of soul, summer of soul, quest love.
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
[UNKNOWN]: Documentary, amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: and there's so much more going on, but we're gonna wrap it up there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's been a lot, a big episode to talk through.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, we're like two and a half hours.
[UNKNOWN]: Thursday, we're recording our feedback episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we'll do it Thursday evening East Coast time.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you have thoughts about how I'm bad with my names and can't remember the actors, or you want to get in with John on taking Coralus apart,
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, the thing of my area, the one of the things that's generating a lot of conversation that we didn't really talk about because we're saving it for the feedback though is this issue of
[UNKNOWN]: We're nearer and managing being a woman and being a woman who is in charge of a kingdom and when those things come into conversation, so to speak, and all of that, there is a bunch of interesting topics there.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm really excited to hear dopamine's feedback.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
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[UNKNOWN]: Adrian, you know, Adrian moved overseas, and we were in that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, I didn't know that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, he's doing the exact thing in his partner.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was where he lived.
[UNKNOWN]: But oh, we were on opposite sides of the earth when we Chester's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: So we were going to have a little mini-lower-hounds mood, but it didn't work out.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, Adrian, sorry to miss you, but you live in a really cool town.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: John.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: Welcome back.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, we're going to have fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Catch you up next week.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, catch you on Thursday for Thursday.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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