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[UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia here to visit the city so nice.
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[UNKNOWN]: Spoiler warning here.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about everything that's happened in these TV shows around the ant rights universe That's interview with the vampire the vampire list.
[UNKNOWN]: That may fair, which is maybe a tiny bit and tell a mask of maybe a tiny bit so
[UNKNOWN]: Let's have fun with it, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, we have a dedicated feed.
[UNKNOWN]: The horror-hounds feed that just has horror and including the vampire listot.
[UNKNOWN]: And you'll have to stick around for the credits if you want to hear book spoilers and the devil's minion corner, which is, I think the stock price is off the chart.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, more and more of the devil's minion corner becomes public, but there's still a lot of room for speculation, so.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: You have good news that you wanted to talk about.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, did you hear about this angler interview that was had with Dan McDermott, who is
[UNKNOWN]: Um, okay, I'm trying to think of his title.
[UNKNOWN]: He's basically, he's like the business head of AMC.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is coming from someone who makes these decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, quote from the interview on our streaming platform, we had a 30 day estimate for the show in terms of how it would perform, and an exceeded the 30 day estimate in seven days, and it has now doubled the 30 day estimate in the first 20 days,
[UNKNOWN]: And then, they're asked like, okay, so he was asked, there's 13 books in the vampire chronicles.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is just a second one, what is, what do you think about the future of this?
[UNKNOWN]: It could it morph a second time with another title and his response was, I think so, the natural next books in the cycle that could continue the story would be the queen of the damt and the tale of the body thief.
[UNKNOWN]: We're discussing right now that it's something we want to do.
[UNKNOWN]: We're also looking at all the books in the canon and figuring out how to continue the Louis Lestat and Maloy and our mom story for another two seasons at least.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so we've really got something going here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very excited to hear that we are at least getting two more seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: It sounds like a software duo.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that would definitely say that it's not official yet, but there's I just can't see at this point where we wouldn't get at least more, but it sounds like there's a very good chance we'll hear next two seasons renewed.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I could see them blending the next few books together because the thing is, yeah, in each season, we've been talking a lot about on the discord about our mom most about our mom and the discord.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, like his, his book is after, okay, so apparently in this interview, they also talked about memnock the devil, so where we have interview the vampire done.
[UNKNOWN]: The vampire let's not doing it now.
[UNKNOWN]: Queen of the damned essentially part two of the vampire let's not, that's definitely next season we're setting it up now.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the hotel of the body thief, which they mentioned, and then the next two are memnock
[UNKNOWN]: and um, the vampire are mom, which we desperately need murder poogies perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: People don't understand, I mean, I can see them just in this whole quest to like, keep every character in play, um, because I'll tell TV works obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: I can see them blending those books.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: that would be cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want more.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want more of these characters, these actors, these writers, uh, everything about this show is amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: So keep it going.
[UNKNOWN]: Please.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: We had some feedback from prior episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw from Spotify.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw you had responded to this.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want to go through it?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, Palbreak said, really enjoyed the episode, but had a few thoughts, Nikki's mental health is more tricky than a physical illness.
[UNKNOWN]: The change doesn't cure and may magnify mental, emotional trauma.
[UNKNOWN]: He'd been kidnapped and tortured by her months, having for quite a while serious trauma.
[UNKNOWN]: Nikola Steth, there was a star of drawer, ashes don't need a drawer, Louie's awful with Regina stalking his bad, demanding money to pretend to be his dead daughter, also bad, she's not morally in the clear.
[UNKNOWN]: So, okay, that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Totally forgot for a second about the fact that they did show us last season in the basement.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a drawer in the basement for Nikola.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I totally forgot about that too.
[UNKNOWN]: So, good, thank you for bringing that up, Pail Break, even though I did just watch it recently, but it's one of those blinking your miss the details, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and as far as the whole discussion that we see last week's episode for more in this discussion about mental health and physical illness and particularly in regards also to Daniel's Parkinson's.
[UNKNOWN]: People have been pointing out that in episode four at the party, Lestat says to the camera why do the undead need anti bodies and Daniel says cut cut cut.
[UNKNOWN]: And we have been seeing Farid taking blood from Lestat on the bus, also in that episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So what is Farid doing with the blood is he still treating Daniel for Parkinson's?
[UNKNOWN]: That is really interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Huh.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, how is Parkinson's treated?
[UNKNOWN]: The treated with blood infusions?
[UNKNOWN]: But we saw like when Ferry showed up in season one, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Was it someone?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was, I mean, okay, I don't know the most about Parkinson's treatment, if anyone wants to speak up about that, please do.
[UNKNOWN]: But he was doing something along those lines as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll see where that leads because who knows.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: I am.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no idea where that story lies going.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, especially since they threw in the wrench where we think he might be combined with.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell it.
[UNKNOWN]: The agent killed off screen.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Agent killed off screen.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, yes, today.
[UNKNOWN]: has also brought up some of the Gabrielle's hair in the back of the car and so the three more evidence that she's cutting it off every day.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was longer.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that what it is?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So what we saw in the last episode that when the stud pulled up the boat and found her gone in the grave, two things, let's talk around them both.
[UNKNOWN]: One is
[UNKNOWN]: part of like the cheaed cut off her hair because I talked about the fact that after she became a vampire she wanted to cut her hair short and it was questioning is she cutting it short every day will we saw it cut there and as I said I pointed out that's in episode three we also saw her having cut it off in the back of the car they were in so she is cutting it off every day just like in the book she had to if she wanted to keep it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's because there's no expensive hair bill though if you're getting it done anywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: I suppose she does it herself, but I also suppose, you know, let's not seem to have quite the amount of money.
[UNKNOWN]: But there was also in that grave, he found this necklace you remember.
[UNKNOWN]: someone pointed out on blue sky this week that, or sorry, it was Instagram, that the necklace is the same necklace that Lestat gave to Claudia and season one.
[UNKNOWN]: And he said, it was given to me by a Marquis who was beheaded and after a mile after he gave it to me and the Claudia was like, oh, love it, you know, for her birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh man.
[UNKNOWN]: That's sad.
[UNKNOWN]: He gave her her people say that let's stop in Claudia or mother daughter coded if I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And in the worst way to be clear.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, at the best point, yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like he sees that she's his copy and to a certain degree, resent it and respect it and, you know, like he's sad in this episode, even kill me savagely and it's like, like Claudia?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I just wanted to correct myself that, indeed, I did go back and watch episode 4 again and the book came out in 2023, so the tour is in 2025, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it was wrong in the, um, subtitles that we got for the screeners or if I was just brain glitching, that's perfectly possible.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that you are as infallible as, let's thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you know, that was like, I wish I'd been turned when my brain was at peak functioning and had that forever.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be, that would be dream vampirism.
[UNKNOWN]: Does it restore you to your peak state?
[UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately not.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we can see.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: See, that's why, you know, I want, I want the twilight vampire roles.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's supposed to like put you in your peak state basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just subtract me to age like 26 or something, whatever physical, yeah, but I want to keep but I want to keep my brain.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the important thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But have it remember better.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, let's start having an easy time remembering 300 years basically.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's interesting, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because even, you know, we watched murder
[UNKNOWN]: And even these artificial constructs are like, no, I can't, I can't remember that far in the past.
[UNKNOWN]: Or you think of that character from Doctor Who who had to keep journals because she was immortal, but she only had a regular human's memory.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Good point.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of different takes to memory, and this show seems to consider that if you're a vampire, you can remember everything.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I suppose you don't...
[UNKNOWN]: you don't degrade past where you are at that moment physically.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess most vampires seem to be turned when there are like feet, peak physical form because of, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because someone pointed out and it's so true that in this universe there's a great explanation for why the vampires are all hot.
[UNKNOWN]: It's basically because they were all turned because another vampire was attracted to them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Except Magnus who stole it for himself.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that's that's a really good point, you know, especially Magnus, I mean, took all these people captive just to just to select the listot as the cream of the crop.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, just one more thing I wanted to throw out is that people have been pointing out that a month seem to have back up in the last episode, and it's so true when you re-watch it that there's two guys.
[UNKNOWN]: One is more clear, but you can see them standing behind him when he's getting the song sung to him.
[UNKNOWN]: and they have the vampire eyes and everything, and then when he stalks out, and Daniel follows him last episode, before Daniel catches up with him, he like waves his hand and like pointing to the right, and those two guys peel off and go away so that he and Daniel are alone.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so our mom has the new new children of the darkness.
[UNKNOWN]: definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: If it, yeah, as soon as he finds out anything, oh, I don't, how do you think, okay, what did you think of the episode overall and how do you think Listot's kind of respond to finding out about Larry?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually think that Listot's going to be pretty devastated.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he likes these people more than he lets on.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, of course, I think that his whole thing in the end with them was, I don't know if it was a test, but if it was, then they
[UNKNOWN]: And he, I think he had a grudging fondness for Larry, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: As much as he called him his frailty, I think he wants that part of himself in the music.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that that was an insult.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that that was genuinely like, hey, you showcase an aspect of me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean Sam reads micro expressions really tell that story to me as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when he's he berates Larry, but it's like he's berating himself and that's why Larry gets it the worst from him because he's berating the part of himself that he's most frustrated with.
[UNKNOWN]: But also, yeah, he looks on him with fondness several times a episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I've watched his episode a disturbing
[UNKNOWN]: And speaking of we're a little bit late.
[UNKNOWN]: I was traveling this weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: Just wanted to say sorry about that, but you know, we'll be back for next week screener time.
[UNKNOWN]: At least one more week screener time because we don't have the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see about them.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but we will make up for that with we're going to do a wrap up.
[UNKNOWN]: We've already scheduled a wrap up.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to be joined by Mark from Nevermind the music.
[UNKNOWN]: Very cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And he called in with some feedback earlier in the season.
[UNKNOWN]: So people will remember to voice episode three that was on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: On the overall episode, I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there was so much humor in it, but at the same time, just heartbreaking moments, like the whole Claudia thing just had me tearing up.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, you even put that aside because obviously that was always going to be to your worker.
[UNKNOWN]: Anytime you bring in Claudia's death, it's a tear jerker, but even just let's start confronting his hurt earlier on, I think that was, you know, him just in the studio and kind of deflecting, I think he's kind of coming a little bit unhinged, you know, making himself go into the
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know it was really getting to me like this this you know I'm I'm someone who has pulled all nighters in the music studio trying to record an album and so it kind of took me back a little bit but I didn't have quite the band of the vampire was that to bounce off ideas with really love that part I really am disturbed by everything
[UNKNOWN]: I really hope that that's coming to an end because I think that everyone has learned the lesson and we should all go home.
[UNKNOWN]: And just, I don't know, there's just something about this.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, all the acacia stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm leaving out.
[UNKNOWN]: All the acacia stuff is incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Not how I pictured Marius at all, but I really loved his interaction with, we'll start a lot of book changes, like, this is completely different from the book, ever, is ever called it.
[UNKNOWN]: the, you know, I'm laughing at list of floating and being unable to get down at the same time is I'm like, oh my god, you are playing with fire here and I'm crying at him having his cabbages with all the people who have left him just everything, everything was so wonderfully done and how do you have one scene that does all of those things?
[UNKNOWN]: yeah it's it's incredible the way I'm just thinking about like just watching so called side characters like Larry and Alex this episode and how you know I not only don't question having multiple scenes of just the two of them talking like I crave it I'm like yes give me the brother brother bond of these random side characters who are barely in the book you know
[UNKNOWN]: It's great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what do you think overall about the episode?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, I just think that this, I keep saying this show is my favorite show of all time, and I just continue to think that like this one, you know, we are like, how can something beat episode three?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I'll say B2, you know, it may be recent advice, but it's definitely up there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's another 11 out of 10.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just every episode, particularly some of these, are just a perfectly
[UNKNOWN]: constructed rollercoaster ride and I stole a little list and I sent to you in chat when we're talking about it That I can't believe we got in one episode Devils minion going deeper, but our mom also unleashing the full inner gremlin Marius and Akasha Akasha's awakening was so unexpected to me, but perfect The Claudia pay off following those two devastating regina scenes leading up to it
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, is there something weird about me that like, I, and you know, when I rewatch this episode, I can't wait to get to the scene that makes me cry.
[UNKNOWN]: That could be, you know, you should probably talk about that with a professional, not with me.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I, I'm with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it was a, I think that's the best part of the episode is just this whole coming together of the Claudia Friday plot line.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah and but also this is the same episode we get like these golden comic moments of let's start discovering the wonders of an ice cream scoop scoop that's that's uh it's like it had lots of things like yeah yeah when it word becomes a sound when it's yeah and you just get to me it's the most innocent way to introduce a kasha as well
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But then we also have the whole thing with the start setting himself on fire to hit a high note and his diss track about his exit situation ship while the memory of his other ex screams in his face.
[UNKNOWN]: You suck to stink while you're still with me like, whew, Jesus.
[UNKNOWN]: This really covers all the ground.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're wondering if I'm going to still engage in more Armand propaganda after this episode, absolutely, I'm not going to say he did nothing wrong, just he's a fascinating boy, and that was real
[UNKNOWN]: I said I would explain this because I've been using in the discord the image emoji when talking about him and The image is the creature from alien earth that we started to you know, copy the girl and who's Disapposed to be a monster, but Baby girl can't help that she was plucked from her planet and put in a Place wherever once a study and destroy her and she has nothing she can do but lash out against it
[UNKNOWN]: No, but, um, I think this was peak our bond in both the best and worst ways, this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: I love watching our mod.
[UNKNOWN]: I just hate our mod.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: But he, you know, he has like a missing eye at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's kind of like an eye socket that Mitch could hang out in and they could dominate the world together.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh man, they would, wouldn't they?
[UNKNOWN]: That would be great.
[UNKNOWN]: How does, how does eye-mage biology interface with undead?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, can't kill him, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Already dead.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, they could seem not coming.
[UNKNOWN]: Mega-mage.
[UNKNOWN]: Midge-mond.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, no, but I think, like, I guess, you know, with all these characters, including Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the other character here reminds me of in some ways, it's my favorite Star Wars character Ventress, and I think it's because this world, if from the books, but then realized and even more find detail in the show, it's a place where broken characters are allowed to confront and work through their trauma and truly grow, which I don't think
[UNKNOWN]: I think we see a lot of shortcuts taken and writing in television a lot of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: And people want certain plot points to speed along certain romances or things like that, but you need to have, you need to allow the characters to work on themselves and the way they do it in such exquisite detail without ever being too modeling or depressing.
[UNKNOWN]: fun and just striking the right cord of pain, you know, where you recognize it, but it's beautiful rather than it still, there's a hope-tinged pain in this.
[UNKNOWN]: Does that make sense?
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's right, you know, and you see growth in real time here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the biggest growth we see in this episode is that let's start does not yell at Louie when he's like, I was shot and you didn't pick up the phone.
[UNKNOWN]: He's that would have been a crash out once you remember a few episodes ago actually I would say.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he sees how delicate Louie is right now.
[UNKNOWN]: why I like also with the you know we're focusing on the stats journey but with all of them we see there's there's moments of triumph like the end of last season Louis sitting there like I am owned the night coming get me and we see that he has built a franchise and empire you know and has made himself feared in the vampire community and owned this vampire identity but it doesn't mean he's still not crashing out over his daughter it's always two steps forward one step back
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the same as with anybody, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why it feels so visceral.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we're watching this fantasy show, essentially, about magic powers and undead and mind control.
[UNKNOWN]: But in the end, this is a story about trauma cycles.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and we grow and fits and starts.
[UNKNOWN]: So just because,
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk and handle his mom leaving and one scene doesn't mean he's not going to like lose his shit in the next right because that's yeah, it just kind of how it happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah Anyway, yeah, it was just everything was pretty much perfect in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'm going to have a lot of questions for you.
[UNKNOWN]: So we should probably get right into this after we take a break.
[UNKNOWN]: We're back.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got to do 61 takes with the band of big bad wolf, and then Lestat does the vocals in just one take.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat has faked his own death, and is posthumously releasing an album.
[UNKNOWN]: Sam has been hired as producer to keep Lestat on his toes, and Lestat taunts his band mates with his attempt at perfection.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I want to ask where I'm Christopher Ecclesan wants and Billy Piper.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: We had bad both.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Dr. Who deep cut.
[UNKNOWN]: Deep cut, Dr. Who for those of you who are longtime listeners.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, but let's start with that bad wolf song.
[UNKNOWN]: Then the big bad wolf song earlier in an interview, they said, you know, when there's a song about Louis, you'll know it.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I noticed that obviously he has all of his dream uses in the studio with him, including Dream Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: And he gestures like, OK, come on in when he starts to record this song.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, oh, what, and, you know, is looking Louis in the face, as he does it.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, what are the lyrics?
[UNKNOWN]: I recommend reading all the Big Bad Wolf lyrics, but just to sample verse 2 is Lairly or your skins on fire because that we put himself outside last season.
[UNKNOWN]: How could I love you when you don't love yourself?
[UNKNOWN]: I never meant to hurt you, oh maybe a little.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you wanted me to be someone else.
[UNKNOWN]: That's very sad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's like a real glimpse into the start's perspective on the relationship, and is that fair?
[UNKNOWN]: Did Louie want the start to be someone else?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, absolutely he did, and Louie, I think that's kind of the point of...
[UNKNOWN]: book, you know, and Louie sees this about himself when he talks to Daniel and he goes, I didn't like myself in it because when you zoom out and you treat Louie as a character and his own story, he's really not very sympathetic a lot of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: He did, you know, granted this mystical power and well, I see that he was traumatized by it.
[UNKNOWN]: There were some transformational trauma, as we would say about Daniel, you know, he didn't want to kill people.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, he could avoid that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He could eat animals and let's not give him some crap about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think he was going to let him do it anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he, you know, had to watch his family get older and kind of ostracize him.
[UNKNOWN]: He still blamed Lestad for every bad decision he ever made.
[UNKNOWN]: And he really, I just think he did not like Lestad.
[UNKNOWN]: He might have loved Lestad, but he did not like Lestad.
[UNKNOWN]: But maybe also the part of him that didn't like Lestad was the part of him that didn't like himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's probably true.
[UNKNOWN]: I did love Lestod trying to go on method and trying to explain it to T.C.
[UNKNOWN]: for example, like the drum sound like a drum and you want to think to sound like death, then life, a muleing babe extracted from a mother's womb.
[UNKNOWN]: We see the stopping pulled out of a self-made grave.
[UNKNOWN]: We find later by Marius, but I love T.C.'
[UNKNOWN]: 's response.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't play metaphorical drums.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, super good.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know though, like, you know, I've been in the studio late.
[UNKNOWN]: And sometimes sometimes you say crazy stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it totally made sense.
[UNKNOWN]: And also, I like to how he broke down the band.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, she was a drum's heart.
[UNKNOWN]: The Alex is the guitar, his hunger.
[UNKNOWN]: The bass, a cellometer is his night terrors.
[UNKNOWN]: And Larry's guitar, as we mentioned earlier, is his frailty, which is makes it really sad that
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's start tried to bury those frailty parts in the recording anyway that's we told Sam to do.
[UNKNOWN]: But then by the end, it's just removed from the equation by our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: the best advice anyone ever gave me about running a band was everyone in the band can be bad except the drummer the drummer's the only person in the band who has to be extremely competent so i really like her being the heart of it i know that's kind of a you know play on the beat the heart beat but i also just like it being the core of the band
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: No wonder Florence Welsh wants him to open for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh man, that killed me.
[UNKNOWN]: That's maybe not now, but that was for a time.
[UNKNOWN]: My as favorite artist.
[UNKNOWN]: So that that'd be me laughing.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually mine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Very good.
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, could she looks like Helen Miran, but she's being Yoko Ono.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not fair, which is unfair.
[UNKNOWN]: Because Yoko Ono actually does not deserve to be treated the way she was.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's a good line.
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't deserve to be treated the way she was, but I'm also not going to say Yoko was a good musician either.
[UNKNOWN]: Mom, not saying about her music, but we can't blame her for breaking up the beat of her.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think we can't blame Gabriela for breaking up the vampire list.
[UNKNOWN]: changing the vibes yeah her her management is interesting she she's a momager mm-hmm and that is that is fascinating I don't know she because she left and now she's back and she's like no I'm really back
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she's controlling who's around her son.
[UNKNOWN]: So like first of all, where's Farid, worried about Farid?
[UNKNOWN]: He's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's around.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not going to kill him off.
[UNKNOWN]: But I really do hope, no, I'm sure we'll definitely see Farid back.
[UNKNOWN]: But I really hope we will see like Christine and Dee again.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad to hear they got their payout, and Christine has her like, fuck off sex dungeon, good for her.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm going to miss Christine if she doesn't come back.
[UNKNOWN]: but also maybe she shouldn't because she already got shot once.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe I should not be a selfish viewer.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's living her best life at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she succeeded at her job, right?
[UNKNOWN]: She just got this guy at a fame, let him into his fake death, and now she's retired.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: I should just let her go.
[UNKNOWN]: If I really care.
[UNKNOWN]: If you love her, let her go.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, go, let her fight go.
[UNKNOWN]: I love those Sam coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he is not a book character.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know some people are like mad about that.
[UNKNOWN]: But actually, I think he's been into light full edition to this guest of characters.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love we got three good reasons why Gabriella wanted him there.
[UNKNOWN]: One, he already faked his death before in Paris.
[UNKNOWN]: So he knows how that whole thing works.
[UNKNOWN]: To obviously an audio guy famous vampire DJ already established.
[UNKNOWN]: Three.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the worrying one.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not hate him So that keeps him on edge like that's a very healthy Gabriella very healthy.
[UNKNOWN]: She I know when has ever accused her of being a healthy person in a relationship never never once has anyone been like, you know Whenever I need to just detox I just go and talk to my friend Gabriella
[UNKNOWN]: But do you think it's fair what Lestat said to Sam?
[UNKNOWN]: He said, pretend I'm a man or the telemaska.
[UNKNOWN]: Be the spineless mole once more.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it fair for Lestat to hate Sam considering the fact that we don't know yet the circumstances, but we do know Lestat sure did participate in that play trial.
[UNKNOWN]: That was very realistic reminded our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's tricky, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's still grieving 80 years later,
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I do think he's fair in some ways like they all had at least some power to stop it.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's stop with literally the only one who pulled the mind control trick even though probably many of them could have done at least some level of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Sam has done good by giving information and helping Louis realize the truth a little late.
[UNKNOWN]: The tricky thing is like, I don't think he did that on his own free will, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That was just information he had given to the Talmaska on a Talmaska was like, yeah, this is what we're going to do with it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't know if Sam has been a profile encouraged.
[UNKNOWN]: What's like, I'd say I'm a sort of an undercover police officer.
[UNKNOWN]: But then again, we did see him like mouthing along.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how much of that was, you know, just, Luis telling of it, but seeing Sam mouthing along the words of the play.
[UNKNOWN]: I think.
[UNKNOWN]: He wrote, I personally think he is culpable.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's okay for Lassat to be mad at him.
[UNKNOWN]: But he can show growth too, and I think he is showing growth.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was examining, you can see later, in the Claudia scenes, where he sort of examining his role in it internally.
[UNKNOWN]: He did a lot of good face acting too, this actor.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, he's great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I love all these low key characters.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And these blink in your misset lines like, uh, at the very beginning when, let's start talking about his coffins, he's, his second coffin was hurled off a balcony during one of Mr. DuLax redirected moods.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm calling the temper tantrum.
[UNKNOWN]: Anytime your kids have a temper tantrum, tell them they're having a redirected note.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really funny.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, can I point out a small detail I liked, which is of course we're in New York now and we've got the Greek coffee cup.
[UNKNOWN]: We are happy to serve you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's my favorite, and that's my favorite New Yorkism.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, my father-in-law loves it so much that he got himself a ceramic version of that cup and he used that first coffee in the morning.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, no, that's one of those things that I did use to live in New York for anyone who doesn't know so I do see that but also I love how every time I pops up New Yorkers get excited about that detail because it's the it's a real thing they finally got something right, right, you know New York is never accurately portrayed and never the focus of attention in these shows.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, they barely even know it exists in TV.
[UNKNOWN]: At least film the city in the universe.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I love all the details of like the production designers, just the chef's kiss to all of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, one point, Salamander has a, it's like a weed vape by Zoom taped to his guitar so that he can take puffs while he's strumming.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for him.
[UNKNOWN]: But I didn't realize before that the actor is Ryan Katner from...
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you know man, man, but yeah, I'm a fan, they're from Philly.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never heard of this.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay, I recommend, I don't know, it's my kind of music, but...
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, oh, apparently currently in based in LA, but originally from Philly, but yeah, no, I recommend checking out man man.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: How do you describe them?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, like Indie, I suppose.
[UNKNOWN]: Indie means nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Indie rock.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: That means something.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like Indie is just, I don't have a big record label.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it doesn't even mean that anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Because now that all these bands call themselves Indie and they have a huge label.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, and I'm sure a man has a bigger label now, but back in the day, yeah, started out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Philly upstarts, which is where I grew up.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have to pledge oil to them.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but I actually genuinely like their music and found out later that they were from Philly.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's fun.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're planning a concert, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, wait, hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, let's talk about the concert, but then I have to point out one other massive quiet detail that was dropped this episode, but okay, the concert I'll say that the concert is the big book climax I expect this to be the season finale just one in memoriam concert, but the
[UNKNOWN]: other detail I wanted to point out was that during this opening dialogue, Lestot says something, and when we first got the screener for this, it did not have subtitles on it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I went back and played it several times and then was waiting for subtitles to finally confirm it and he actually does say, but Amal, I digress.
[UNKNOWN]: But I, I almost did a guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And so there's been a lot of conversation online like is he calling himself Amo or is he addressing the listeners?
[UNKNOWN]: Amo.
[UNKNOWN]: I think by his intonation, he's calling himself Amo.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's a really good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he is maybe he is addressing Amo.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Amo wakes up and then he in the future he's addressing this whole thing to him.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about this in the spoiler section, but I just want to point it out.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think I'm pretty sure based on his intonation that he's talking about himself is Amal, and there's a reason why that might make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to trust you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trusting you.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll come back to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on.
[UNKNOWN]: I also just, yeah, he's his whole thing with Larry.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll first of all, like...
[UNKNOWN]: Alex is drinking smoking and eating meat.
[UNKNOWN]: Clearly our Mondays to blame for this and Larry is like it's giving him the yips as he puts it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just noticed that Lestat is passing on to Larry, the way Marius was treating him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Marius says later in the episode, interruption when Lestat's like asking for clarification versus Lestat says to Larry, yes, please interrupt my flow, Larry.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just sort of passing on the way that you
[UNKNOWN]: were trained yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: It cycles of abuse.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's just be honest about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, speaking of Marius, he's involved.
[UNKNOWN]: Can you tell us about him?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you should.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start is rescued from his long slumber by the blood of the vampire Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: The ancient vampire shows him those who must be kept.
[UNKNOWN]: Who let's start is to be the new
[UNKNOWN]: Mari's shows list out how to care for her and ankle, who were burned in the sun when Mari's accidentally left them out after drinking alcoholic blood.
[UNKNOWN]: He tells list out that they are all connected to Akasha's fate and leaves him to care for them.
[UNKNOWN]: Akasha immediately speaks.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, and I just realized based on my recap here that I had mixed up ankle and amal.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I was like maybe, maybe amal wakes up, but I was thinking in ankle, so ignore my commentary there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, you've heard the name Amal in the book spoiler section, for example, Corey left in a voicemail, got it before about that related to Amal, but we'll come back to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is sort of like, like, we've been hearing Akasha and Maria Salat, and now we meet them.
[UNKNOWN]: Amal is definitely going to be named drop to that way for a little bit, and then we're going to find out what's up.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, we've met Ankel now who is who I was thinking of a minute ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to say I really love the fact that Murray says like, well, you know, you might not hear from her for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't speak to me for twenty two years and she goes Immediately speaks to list that she's like, you know how long it's okay in an hour
[UNKNOWN]: not even, right?
[UNKNOWN]: This was, I feel like this was minutes in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What is with these ancient vampires giving us thought like a quick tutorial and then run away?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which is the one who demanded he be dug up.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's a different thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's several book differences here where
[UNKNOWN]: Well, first of all, just Listot was, you know, because Louie, the year he was turned is turned later in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: It means that Listot has more quote unquote time to kill in between, you know, his mom leaving him and going to New Orleans.
[UNKNOWN]: So now we get a chance that he really gets to spend rather than just being a few days with Akashah.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets to spend 10 years there,
[UNKNOWN]: different that um... in i mean you you read the book would it would have been actually yeah how would you describe his uh... relationship with marius in the book marius is much more like no i am there keeper marius is not as as far as i remember
[UNKNOWN]: give the mantle over at all, he just and Morris actually says like if she tells you to drink go ahead, you know, that's that's up to her.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's why I when he comes and he's like, why would you do that?
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, this is a big departure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I know some people are upset that he's he's much more fatherly toward the start in the books and it is an interesting change because in the books it almost felt like in the fact that Morris and Magnus are somewhat close, like it almost felt like
[UNKNOWN]: he got from Marius the fatherly introduction to vampirism that Magnus never gave him and he did in this case also to a certain degree like certainly Marius told him a lot more than Magnus ever did.
[UNKNOWN]: um but it's not it's obviously it's not the same but it was just an interesting tension between Lustot and our mom that you know Marius is our mom's maker and our mom just thinks Marius is dead and is Lustot gonna go tell him I'll guess what Marius is alive and not as far as we've been told yet
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I enjoyed this scene.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a nice treat for a book reader, since I'm finally like caught up with a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I haven't read Queen of the Dam that I know we're playing instead of that, but I caught up with Lisa Van Perlostot.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a delight to have something so surprising.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what did you think about, because you, so you heard Marius's physical description in the book, what do you think about the fact that instead of
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't love that.
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted him to be long-flowing, but I wanted him to be the select grand-enrob vampire.
[UNKNOWN]: That's been my one complaint about the costuming this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they should have let him rock like a classic vampire look.
[UNKNOWN]: But if he's from Roman times and he's about, he's a little bit younger than Jesus basically, you know, like I don't know, 60 years or so younger than Jesus.
[UNKNOWN]: then it makes sense that he has his Roman haircut, I thought so I actually I like the hair.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Fine, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't have to agree, but that's just how I felt.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I mean, I was wondering, okay, so it's confirmed where they, those who must speak after are where the stop was watching Akasha is in Greece because the subtitles identify counting down in Greek on that New Year's Eve that happens later, but I feel like the, the actor, it's Canadian actor Christopher hired all who I noticed a
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, in the first season, he plays this like serial killer who comes in and helps them pretending to be a cop anyway, he's hilarious in that Very different character, but Definitely has, you know, not a spent not and not this accent there and here to me It sounded like he had a Spanish accent which I noticed he picked up a spot in Spain
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, all of this was part of the Roman Empire back in the day, so it could make sense, but I just, I don't know, I'm curious if other people also thought he sounded Spanish.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, we don't really know what Latin sounded like, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe it's supposed to be Greek, because he is in Greece.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That makes sense too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: But I did enjoy them together.
[UNKNOWN]: He gave me kind of like Peter Capaldi as the doctor vibes.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, a lot of Doctor Who this episode, but
[UNKNOWN]: no i he gave me that vibe it's like madman with a box kind of angry eyebrows deal yeah yeah it's interesting that he just i can i don't hate him kind of like fucking off like that like he's just like listen dude it's been two thousand years i just need to take a vacation for a decade i'll be right back yeah this is the weirdest remake of Bruce all my day i've ever seen
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I, everyone's been saying that the start was the most relatable ever when he said, I don't want a job.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to die.
[UNKNOWN]: And, uh, Maria comes back as land from the wheel of time going death is lighter than a feather getting heavier than a mountain.
[UNKNOWN]: When he says we are all connected through her.
[UNKNOWN]: She is the seed and if she burns, we all burn.
[UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, you mentioned the whole thing about ankle being dead, which is definitely
[UNKNOWN]: because this whole burning incident that Marius mentions in the books it will be okay in the show they're saying it took place in 1802 the start was in Denmark it must have been not that long before he went to ground and then um...
[UNKNOWN]: in the books, it was actually like 2,000, I don't know, it was a long time, oh, around the beginning of the first century, sorry, looking at the book Wikipedia entry, on the beginning of the first century, a caretaker called the Elder leaves a caution, ankle and son and ankle is largely unaffected while the other vampires burn, because basically they burn through them, this whole connection thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And after this event, a caution, ankle no longer allow caretakers or other vampires to drink from them.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and then, you know, and this is also when Akasha's like, hey, Marius, come help us because this caretaker sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it wasn't, it's very interesting that they've cut that out and made it Marius's fault, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he messes up because he drinks from, is that a thing in the books?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember that you get the sort of drugs and alcohol that's in the blood of the humans.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess so.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean certainly something they're going to let here.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a thing in what we do in the shadows.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that, but I don't remember it from the book.
[UNKNOWN]: The first two books that I read.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, he was drugged.
[UNKNOWN]: He was drugged.
[UNKNOWN]: He had no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Now he says, and now you know why there's so few of us.
[UNKNOWN]: And he just, but it's just interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: The ankles are already dead because definitely he's basically a kashikos on when he wakes up, when she wakes up in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was very protective of a kashikos if anyone tried to drink from her.
[UNKNOWN]: He would try to intervene.
[UNKNOWN]: And she would lie to him for the most part unless it was like the stat.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, no, I like that dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Let him go.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, it is interesting that he's dead.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if he really is or if they're going to do sort of a fake out with it I don't his head looked very crushed in which is another question like I guess he crumbled from like he dried out in the sun and crumbled is that that's a deal Or we doing some kind of like comedy scene where Marius is trying to carry them both and he goes oops, and he just dropped him Maybe we'll get a flashback then that's like Benny Hill playing and that happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I knew I should have gotten that extra large cart Hmm
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So I do have to call out Marius for one thing and I guess I'll talk more in the books with a section about Marius's history with our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: But how dare Marius call our mind a rotten boy, a grandpa groomer himself?
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's when I started to like Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: As soon as he called our mind a rotten boy, I was like, yeah, man, speak the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, so I'm going to be careful about this because I don't want to say any book spoilers that are going to be revealed, but I'll just say, just repeat what our mind told us himself about his history and granted, obviously we'll get a deeper, deeper exploration of this.
[UNKNOWN]: But here's what he said in episode four of season two, when he took Louis to the Louvre, he said, he showed him this painting and he said, this is on the dayo, he's 20 years here, he was rescued from a brothel when he was 15.
[UNKNOWN]: by Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: Named Arun then, I think, I cannot be sure.
[UNKNOWN]: The abuse in the brothel was such that he cannot be sure what what that that's what his parents named him Arun.
[UNKNOWN]: The parents that sent him to work on a merchant boat and Delhi, when in actuality they had sold him into slavery to the ships captain, all fragments shackled on the boat, the brothel,
[UNKNOWN]: His renaming me, his reluctance to share the dark gift, knowing what it would do to his beloved Amadeo, I served him with all my heart, best in his mercy, his worshipful mercy.
[UNKNOWN]: Still, Amadeo had a skill, and if a friend wandered into town, I was occasionally donated.
[UNKNOWN]: Meteor in the forums, but then this was seven years before I was stricken with illness, before I was turned and imbued with my powers.
[UNKNOWN]: And our mom,
[UNKNOWN]: The name the covenant Rome gave me after they set fire to the studio, set fire to my maker, and sent me to Paris to reign over the covenant abandoned by Magnus, Magnus who begat Lestat, Lestat who begat Louis, on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and Lestat interjects.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he ends, Armandans, who am I, Louis?
[UNKNOWN]: I am my history, I haven't dirt, I am the job, I do not want, I do not know anymore, no one has painted me over 400 years, so again he was given a job, he didn't want just like a stop.
[UNKNOWN]: and he became a 600-year-old pussy as Daniel Maloy, but don't age him up.
[UNKNOWN]: The age difference isn't that bad.
[UNKNOWN]: I was 500, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I think that there's, I can't wait for them to explore more of that, but I just want to remind people that this backstory is out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And
[UNKNOWN]: Marius is a gross groomer and her mom is in a sense of all of his many crimes that Yeah, definitely good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm with you on the first half.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not with you on the second half.
[UNKNOWN]: He definitely did that, my son.
[UNKNOWN]: So you bring in your notes.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's not learning the violin here, right?
[UNKNOWN]: You've got him trying to mimic Nicholas Nikki.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's a lot of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is a good origin story for his music and interesting that sort of a cautious sense of the music and him before he actually knew how to play.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: The one that I was thinking as I was thinking this, I was like, vampire nails seem like a nightmare to any string player.
[UNKNOWN]: String players keep very short nails on their left hand.
[UNKNOWN]: Wobod if a wouldn't help with a guitar maybe, you don't need a guitar.
[UNKNOWN]: On the right hand.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Not the left hand.
[UNKNOWN]: If you ever see a classical guitar player finger picker, they have their right hand very much like the vampire nails, but their left hand is trim, trim, trim, because you don't want to be fighting with your nails as you're, you know, moving your hand on the frets.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess they have to hold the fingers in a different way, so they're not curling them as much.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just saying like, I used to be a violinist, very bad one though, but every string player I ever met, not great, not great with the nails.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no good point, good point.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess they don't have much choice though.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess there's got to be some downsides other than a lack of daylight for most.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And the vampire loneliness, you know, I just love that with, we'll come back to this whole scene obviously, but I just love that, um, first of all, we get less stats told.
[UNKNOWN]: He must endure the depths of living.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you can't hide from your pain, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: And that, that, what word endure keeps coming up over and over and over again.
[UNKNOWN]: But less that, like this is kind of a central defining trait.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like to be alone.
[UNKNOWN]: This is why he ultimately breaks the rules and, you know, he's supposed to burn the ashes to coat a caution, eventually he uses his blood.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's because he doesn't want to be alone, but we'll go back to that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he definitely has bigger band of ministers and that's very sad.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very sad for my boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so let's move on to a lovely scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Shame.
[UNKNOWN]: The cross I've just continued I just can't I cannot deal with this it resolved all right, so you know, it's all right Regina as Claudia brought a friend to play Madeline on that reveal Madeline how did we pronounce it Madeline my color
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: The actor breaks character in the middle of the show, and Louis looks on at them.
[UNKNOWN]: This is combined scenes by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Later, Louis and fake Claudia take a paddle boat out and Louis insists he likes liberals, un-available nature.
[UNKNOWN]: They are caught by security and Louis freezes the guard, which leads Regina to ask him to do it to her.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis breaks down staring at the image of Claudia and they leave.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to cut the shame button again, but I won't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean... horrendous.
[UNKNOWN]: it was hilarious though when because when they show it it's him and Regina and they're doing the thing and we kind of expect it you know and then suddenly the camera pans around and we see it I'll say if this character is credited as off Broadway Madeline and it was just oh I craved out of my screen out of my skin at that
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, when they broke character like this is really fun in the way his face falls is like Jacob Anderson is just, you know, we're all complimenting Sam Reed as we should be, but Jacob Anderson is also just doing some phenomenal subtle acting throughout all of this all right.
[UNKNOWN]: He got two seasons of praise.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we're now we're here to not have bask and will start to glory, but no, you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: He's still bringing everything to the table is great.
[UNKNOWN]: but did that thing when they just started kissing and like I'm not anti-PDA, but of course they do the, you know, where you just see full tongue-licking tongues, side-view.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not anti-PDA either.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like to, you know, I'm just so nervous who accused me of being the big fruit ever in the Wheel of Time.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm totally fine with all this, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: We had plenty of intimate scenes of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Have I complained about one?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Not even Mom and Son, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Not even Mom and Son.
[UNKNOWN]: Just gross guys, just don't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's also, it's just not, it's like, so, yes, Claudia and Madeline were companions, but they would never make out like that in a restaurant, just would never so wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't even look like Madeline.
[UNKNOWN]: And I miss, like, honestly, I felt sad for Madeline as a character in the books, but in the show, I really liked her, and I really, like,
[UNKNOWN]: I knew she had to die, but I'm still really sad about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So this was a gut punch to me as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's not Madeline Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: That's insulting.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and also with Louie's money, he could definitely hire like an on Broadway Madeline.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why he's putting up with this.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess I think Claudia, I think Regina found her, because she's like, oh, she's good, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think Regina read the book and it's like I'll put on a show for those guys since he's, you know, big role in me and yeah, that wasn't great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not a great idea Regina.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I was also interested in the scene, I've been very interested in this business angle, and I won't say they haven't added this to Louise character, because he was a businessman to start.
[UNKNOWN]: He runs a plantation in the original books, so we met him here running a successful brothel business until racism got in his way.
[UNKNOWN]: And now he is running a very successful vampire theme, very diverse folding, what is he for folio or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's talking about revenue per available room is trending downward, probably because he expanded too fast.
[UNKNOWN]: But since his opinion, he got to more in Montreal, which hmm, is where less that lives interesting and Boston nearby.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: probably expanded too fast.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's buy two more, including one in my X's town.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure,
[UNKNOWN]: And then this whole thing, there's like the whole thing about being watched, but I guess like vampires being watched by humans because they need the human money, there's not enough vampires to make it profitable, but there's private room, I suppose if vampires want to feed, is that how you understood that whole exchange?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Regina got turned curious here?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, wouldn't she be turned curious as soon as she cracked the binding on that book?
[UNKNOWN]: I still, I have suspicions of Virginia and it's not, I want to be careful about this because people are like, oh, you know, don't say that a poor black woman is taking advantage of a guy who wants to pay her to role play his dead daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and that's not what it's about.
[UNKNOWN]: I am suspicious that she is not who she is saying that she is.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she could very well could be telemaska.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, that's the suspicion I have to.
[UNKNOWN]: But still, I still have my telemaska tin foil hat on.
[UNKNOWN]: But Louis, you know, assuming everything we know is just the straight-up facts, Louis is the one taking advantage of her for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: She's making the best of a bad situation here.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I keep thinking about though that people talk about how interview the vampire was about Louise Depression and the vampireless thoughts about Lestot's Mania and it is interesting to see how much the tempos of the scenes change but it's done so well that it's pace so we don't get too tired of Lestot and then we get a Louise scene where it's just much quieter and more still but also more quietly devastating.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Louie's actually a more tragic character than a lot of stop in many ways, even though let's dot-tad more centuries to rack up the trauma.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, Louie also can of keeps putting himself in these bad situations, like, and, you know, I don't want to diminish what happened to me there because that is often, you know, what happens is people get
[UNKNOWN]: you know sucked into these abuse cycles, I think you have a point in a minute though that it kind of shows that maybe Louie is not only victim in these cycles.
[UNKNOWN]: Go ahead, make a point.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, no, you have this point here from this Reddit comment, top fan 20 on Reddit.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, yeah, so talking about Lemmoel as he does it through Gina on the boat and he's like, oh, the relationships just simple and easy.
[UNKNOWN]: They said there's nights where he doesn't even know where Lemmoel is, which I'm like, okay, well now I'm very curious what Lemmoel's up to.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, I'm wondering if he's another character.
[UNKNOWN]: But someone, yeah, talks about Louis, like being distracted by his iPad and PopFan 20 on Reddit pointed out that I've noticed that often when Louis is on his iPad or phone, he's watching list that.
[UNKNOWN]: so like his videos.
[UNKNOWN]: So when he tells Fraudia that Lemuel tells him to get off the iPad and pay attention to me, it's probable that Louie is watching the stop while ignoring Lemuel and there then there's how he didn't tell Lemuel who really called the meeting, it makes me think Louie isn't treating him well either.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this is my point here.
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, Louie was definitely
[UNKNOWN]: I think he also has traumatized people like Claudia, and he also seems like a very absent partner for limule.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder if the mule is not actually as cool with it as Louie makes him out to be.
[UNKNOWN]: And if Louie is just kind of emotionally distant and like, no, no, he's fine with it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm allowed to be like this.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think like Louis traumatized Claudia less than the start did because I think the start and I think all the time and I think we got a glimpse of it again this episode where the start just held her face to make her watch her boyfriend burn because she accidentally killed him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think let's thought that that's like how parenting works, you know, you confront someone with the bad things that they learn from it, and whereas Louie was more like the fuzzy parent of the two, but also very self-absorbed, particularly when it comes to his romances and depression and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Louis is a victim of listot but that doesn't mean that he's done no wrong to others and we can we can blame listot for everything he did to Louis and we can blame listot for everything he did to Claudia and then also turn around and this season see listot in the victim chair.
[UNKNOWN]: and empathize with him on everything that happened at him.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's why this show is, I think we call it like an empathy machine, you know, empathy machine, so that you know, you are turning the figures around, and maybe one day I will empathize with our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I promise it not.
[UNKNOWN]: Murder Pookey will get to you with this big.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna make me Okay, this whole Regina thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, first of all, just like hats off
[UNKNOWN]: to Delaney Hills for playing another actor with another walk in a different accent, which is of course closer to her own and all that.
[UNKNOWN]: But also just the way that she is a, you know, Louie's like, oh, just stop trying to speak with the Louie'sian accent because it's just like coming in and out.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way Delaney Hills can control that accent drift is very impressive that she can make it come in and out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas before she obviously played Claudia, just full on with that accent all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I totally agree.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: She's such an incredible actor.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad that they brought her back.
[UNKNOWN]: That they found a way to bring her back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Can't wait to see where it goes.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though it's like, oh, I don't think she's going to end up a vamp.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that would be a cheap way to go.
[UNKNOWN]: And I trust these writers not to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, there's thinking that it might dovetail with another book story as soon as next week.
[UNKNOWN]: But, okay, here's my question.
[UNKNOWN]: What she, that looked like one of Claudia's real diaries that she was writing in.
[UNKNOWN]: You think, or do you think it's like a replica?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, maybe the way he responded to it, like obviously Louie, just the whole journey he was going on with, like, she asked him to freeze her, but he then, it seems like she's probably creeped out by it even though she asked for it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've had the feeling Louie probably liked her better for a second when she was frozen because then it really was, you know, she didn't have any of the tell-tale things that
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, I completely agree.
[UNKNOWN]: This was Louis going, oh, that's Claudia right there when she's not just completely screwing this up and I think he hated himself for it in the same breath.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's just, this is just a psychological mess.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: and then it's like odd all ends with them like paddling away from the garden the boat with like you can't help but giggle at that like how do you do this to me all in one scene yeah exactly like I oh it's so good it's just so good so um let's move on to another fun scene with your favorite murder grum one Daniel interviews New Yorkers about their feelings about the death of the
[UNKNOWN]: The last one begins acting strangely before his monologue is taken over by Armand, Daniel's Maker says that he watched him for 52 years, helped him through things like his daughter's hatred.
[UNKNOWN]: He offers annual two gifts, the ability to walk in the sun, and the null as that list honest fucking his mom.
[UNKNOWN]: And which one is more than you're more interested in?
[UNKNOWN]: So, honestly, I expected him to be way more interested in the listot bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But he was like the sun.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's the thing, it's teasing him with something that's been taken away from him.
[UNKNOWN]: And he obviously is having transformational trauma, whatever he says about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's easier.
[UNKNOWN]: If this is our mind, beating him to die, be like, no, you can walk on the sun now.
[UNKNOWN]: because we know that he dies bad, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Or at least baby Jenks said that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I don't, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Just step out onto this balcony and then you can, you can walk in the sun and we just have to sit over behind him.
[UNKNOWN]: I genuinely believe that our mom loves Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I genuinely believe that to be true.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think, for instance, this whole rest thing.
[UNKNOWN]: When we got, when this episode started, when the public version, it starts with the previously on recap.
[UNKNOWN]: And it shows our mom talking to young Daniel after that whole interview, traumatic experience in the 70s.
[UNKNOWN]: And when he says rest, it's this much more tender thing whereas,
[UNKNOWN]: when he says it this episode to Larry to someone he doesn't care about, that is called a dice.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and also people keep pointing out.
[UNKNOWN]: You know the whole killing Larry thing obviously it's we well, I don't know if it's obvious I'm sure there's a whole slew of reasons But one of the reasons is definitely because of he or he'll probably come out and say it's because of that fifth great law that's don't you know reveal Your vampire nature, tending morals mortals and suffer them to live so he was just like not suffering him to live because Larry was the one who chose not vampire
[UNKNOWN]: So you know, there's he's a stickler for these rules and he'll hide behind them.
[UNKNOWN]: But when it comes to Daniel, he's broken basically every single one of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate him.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate him so much.
[UNKNOWN]: like an unreasonable amount to be clear I mean it's do you how do you feel about Daniel like okay for example one of the things are mom drops some dates where he's been keeping up with him one of them is in 1990 he gave a reading at I'mhurst and there's one student that he quote unquote used and then
[UNKNOWN]: how do you interpret all of that?
[UNKNOWN]: What does that make you think of Daniel and what does that think you make you think of Daniel and our mom?
[UNKNOWN]: I think Daniel probably was a big asshole all throughout his whole life.
[UNKNOWN]: it's fascinating that our mom shielded him.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: He did he shielded him for the consequences or did he just give him some space at certain times, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like he didn't mind control, at least as far as we know.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't mind control Daniel's daughter to kick him out.
[UNKNOWN]: He just, you know, he gave Daniel some space in the church.
[UNKNOWN]: That seems like a pretty low level interference.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not totally, it doesn't benefit him in any way.
[UNKNOWN]: If he's telling the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
[UNKNOWN]: And I have my doubts.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, I'm just saying that Devil's minion truthers win harder each week.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know what I didn't point and realize until it was pointed out to me, the last week's Devil's minion scene after the big boss concert.
[UNKNOWN]: That takes place in Philadelphia on Wallnut Street.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a Wallnut Street sign that's visible right there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the city where I grew up.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, really?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, no, I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought you were saying that it's a street you grew up.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I was like, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't grow up a moment, straight, no, no, no, that's a second.
[UNKNOWN]: Wouldn't that be fun?
[UNKNOWN]: They were on your way back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I definitely have walks that block before it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Would you think about our mom calling Louie, calculating to the core, methodic, and cruel?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, from a certain point of view?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: He was that way with Daniel, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He was, he lowered him there to talk things out and then burn his recordings.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty cold and calculating for Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean with our mom, they were together for what 70 years or whatever, but I don't think that he ever loved him the way he loved the start.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think our mom felt that every day.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was like a 70 year rebound basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that absolutely, but I don't think that's cold.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's kind of pathetic, but it's not cold.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not, it's not meant that it's not methodic, methodical and cruel.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that this is not the right characterization of Louis, at least in terms of him and Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's definitely from a certain point of view.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's not what I think of Louis, but I can see why it would be how someone who is jilted describes him or, you know, the way let's thought describes him as, as like sad boy who wants to make me the villain.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all coming from their own places of hurt when they live each other.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: There are ways to insult Louis without being completely off-base.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that our mom's completely off-base here.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Louis had just found out that our mom had murdered his daughter, Sister Thropello.
[UNKNOWN]: What is he going to do about it?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, how could you say that it's cold?
[UNKNOWN]: I keep saying cold.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's actually what he said.
[UNKNOWN]: But methodical and cruel.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't really think that that's that characterization and I don't think Louis calculating I mean quite honestly he got duped by somebody for 70 years I don't know that that's true because I do believe what are months had that Louis told him to wipe his his memory of of that of the suicide attempt and how that all ended
[UNKNOWN]: I believe that that's something that Louie would do.
[UNKNOWN]: And I also think like when we see them together, our mom and Louie in Paris, for example, in season two, Louie, our mom was basically like, I will be the, you know, beta here at the bottom and you just, your matra and you tell me what to do and Louie loved loading that over him.
[UNKNOWN]: Armand really, he's just, oh, I get such a dick from him.
[UNKNOWN]: And like the actor is doing a phenomenal job because this is what I'm supposed to get from Armand and I'm getting every single episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, and it's like my, my defense of him, there's part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I said, it's like this like go murder Pukiko, you know, like I'm itch, and part of it is definitely a bias from,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I like, I like a redemption arc and I believe in our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe in it.
[UNKNOWN]: Poor, so I saw somewhere on social media, I forget which one someone was saying, like poor baby just learned about mental health after 500 years.
[UNKNOWN]: That's so true.
[UNKNOWN]: I did love that from a filmmaking perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: It was fun to see Daniel interview the people who, I remember after Kurt Cobain died and how we were all like, oh, it was like we knew him, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: But then that transition, that creepy, like it gave me a chill at my spine when that vampire guy says Fascinating and then suddenly the voice starts to morph into Assad's Amans voice That was correct.
[UNKNOWN]: Where are you?
[UNKNOWN]: Very good transition, but see I don't think that Daniel is actually so cool underneath But he does do a great job of that facade
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, as her mom puts it, love between vampires can be one thing or it can be countless things.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll see where it goes.
[UNKNOWN]: Shame.
[UNKNOWN]: Devils minion keeps winning.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm only kidding because of what he implies about that with Gabriella.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That is funny that he drops two bombs at once and Daniel's like,
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, what?
[UNKNOWN]: Daywalking?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: There might be some shame in the Armand Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there is some grooming going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of bad stuff there.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think the Daniel already had a suspicion about about Sophia being Gabriella?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I actually think he missed this one.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he missed it.
[UNKNOWN]: Based on his reaction, it seemed like a really genuine race.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but then he was like, you said, walk in the sun, a genio, of course, saw our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: The only time we really saw him was in season one before he, when he was still going by Rashid, he, like, was standing in the doorway to the balcony of the Dubai apartment, while Daniel was standing outside.
[UNKNOWN]: And he granted he was not protected from the sun, but it wasn't like he stepped in direct race.
[UNKNOWN]: So I still have questions about how this day-walking thing works in this at this point in the TV show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: This list of stuff threw me off.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to have to tell me when we get there.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, Alicia, let's take a break and then let's make more.
[UNKNOWN]: Make mule
[UNKNOWN]: We're back, and the band is very confused, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat makes Levi's a Gabriella, and she tells him that she left because she didn't need him.
[UNKNOWN]: The band wonders what make more is about.
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat tries to record the vocals for make more, but is punted by Nikki.
[UNKNOWN]: He decides to record well-being burned by the sun.
[UNKNOWN]: He imagines his young self struggling to read Thomas Aquinas.
[UNKNOWN]: Then he asks Sophia why she took him to the witches place.
[UNKNOWN]: Before Thomas pity his or her asks for help.
[UNKNOWN]: And Alex gives Larry a pep talk.
[UNKNOWN]: So I will say, knowing that Larry dies at the end of this episode,
[UNKNOWN]: I hope that Alex feels good about Blas Talkie gave him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he can feel good about that, like he did his best.
[UNKNOWN]: But did you notice that the last talkie gave him is pretty much exactly what our mom said to Larry before he told him to rest?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's really sad.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Poor Larry.
[UNKNOWN]: He did nothing wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe a little too much cocaine.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm hoping that I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no reason for me to think so, but to go surpassable in this universe, bring Larry back.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think Larry's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Larry's super dead.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... the whole time as pitty he's a whore thing i learned that that's actually a reference to a sam read play their listot's lawyer share this on reddit sam read then going by the stage name Sebastian read played saranzo in the west Yorkshire play houses twenty eleven production of tiz pitty she's a whore a seventeen centri play that revolves around incest oh my god
[UNKNOWN]: That is pretty funny though.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Thomas Pity is a whore.
[UNKNOWN]: Then what was this Thomas Aquinas quote?
[UNKNOWN]: How is it?
[UNKNOWN]: They live in such harmony.
[UNKNOWN]: The billions of stars.
[UNKNOWN]: When most men can barely go a minute without declaring war in their minds about someone they know.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a geolastot has depths that he tries to hide, but he contains multitudes.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he considers himself just above explaining himself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I do have to say, as far as all the Gabriella stuff here, I, she's one of my favorite characters in the novel.
[UNKNOWN]: I like the Jennifer Ela casting.
[UNKNOWN]: I am not grossed out by the insist stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I totally expected it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but
[UNKNOWN]: this characterization of Gabriela.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I think it's intentional, but at this point, I'm like, so I'm angry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm more angry with her than any other character.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess I feel about her the way you feel about our mom.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she just is constantly being the worst.
[UNKNOWN]: And like she tells in this story, he's like, remember the time you abandoned me and she's like, oh, which time shall we talk about when you were three and you kept showing me sticks and I was like, kids are stupid and I likes that in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: And maybe this is also why she just appears later, she was like, oh, I left because I didn't need you anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, he's like, kiss a certain.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, you need me now.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, yeah, we're doing this whole make more thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, I need you now.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, okay, and stalks off, you know, like he, I feel like he's getting very close to being done with her shit.
[UNKNOWN]: And I can't wait for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I really want her to get some come up in here because she really she treats everyone as expendable and it's it's awful to see especially with listot he clearly just was groomed by her from a very young age.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not great.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really not great.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, yeah, it's the worst, because like, you know, I talk about Mario's grooming our mom, Amadeo, as Mario's renamed him, but at least, yeah, your own mother, that's the worst.
[UNKNOWN]: That is definitely like the worst version, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's the one you're supposed to be able to trust.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what let's stop was trained to do, basically, was to be groomed, and he just keeps falling into these traps.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I also just like the way he's he there we have some feedback we'll get into later that goes into this more but just the way he's followed by all these various ghosts and I just love the way it's portrayed on screen like we referred to this earlier but when he's doing the big boss recording which is about our mind uh Mickey's screaming in Lestot's ear like numbers
[UNKNOWN]: you know, um, just calling him out for you cheated on me, you fucker, and this is obviously let's start torturing himself about this like healing guilt.
[UNKNOWN]: 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: He is not for these ghosts to rest no matter what he thinks.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think his whole thing about like, oh, I have to get burnt to have the perfect sound, but let's be honest, he sounded way worse.
[UNKNOWN]: He was just punishing himself, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: He did, yeah, and he even shattered glass.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a kind of funny detail, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's shattering glass, like a, you know, classic opera singer joke.
[UNKNOWN]: He hit the high notes, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love this song.
[UNKNOWN]: I've noticed there's a couple songs now that seem to be about both Gabriela and Akasha.
[UNKNOWN]: And so one was a song that I referred to earlier is called, when I call out your name, and it's the one that's like, what are we doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Why are we here?
[UNKNOWN]: Is it for, you know, that whole thing?
[UNKNOWN]: That's the one that he was saying, like, play the drum's like a death in life.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And so we see that's obviously about Gabriela because he actually says her name over and over in the song but every time we see it play it's with imagery about him meeting Akasha and then at the the last song in episode four was nothing to lose which is also
[UNKNOWN]: you know like I can't tell is this about Gabriella is this about Akasha it seems to be about both of them so I'm like wondering if he's equating these two women in his mind in some way that's really interesting I mean Akasha directly fed from him so that's hmm and Akasha do you think he felt trapped by her I don't know I think he almost kind of enjoyed it for a while
[UNKNOWN]: He seemed like a schoolboy, like proud to show his mom.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Trigger, it's maybe, oh my god, I'm just seeing this dark thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
[UNKNOWN]: A kosher was the mom who couldn't leave.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Until Daddy came home and sent him out.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate that.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate all of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha.
[UNKNOWN]: Cabas Cabas Cabas.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm wondering when we're getting this whole witches thing, because he's remembering this Thomas Aquinas thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, Mom, why'd you dig me?
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't say, Mom, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: Why'd you take me to see the witches and Sam's like, she's not here?
[UNKNOWN]: And so, he seems to be really struggling with that.
[UNKNOWN]: but check your phone because someone's calling.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was, first of all, sweet that the ghost of his inner child is the one who alerted him that he was trying to reach him.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was also just seeing like the way it affected the start's mood.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he took it out on Larry.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that's when Alex gave Larry the pep talk.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think, yeah, the start was just taking it out on Larry because he felt his vulnerability as soon as Louie reached out to him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of his heart resides with Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we've got to meet a few more people because the stat brings Akasha a new batch of gifts, including Byzantine art and an ice cream scoop.
[UNKNOWN]: Which seems to amuse her.
[UNKNOWN]: The scoop.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was brilliant.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you have to say the poop.
[UNKNOWN]: Puh.
[UNKNOWN]: Well practicing the violin, he muses about why they exist.
[UNKNOWN]: When Lusat asks where God is, Akasha knocks the ice crimps goop down.
[UNKNOWN]: Lusat creates a mockery of his childhood dinner table, complete with kebages.
[UNKNOWN]: But with the addition of Marius, Magnus, and Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: Akasha stirs and tells Lusat, no voices.
[UNKNOWN]: As the humans above celebrate the year 1900, Akasha beckons Lusat and drinks from him.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, she was so quick she was very eating angel core Yeah, definitely very weeping angel vibes But it's also he, you know, Marius explicitly told him do not give her anything stronger than ashes and he was spread blood and her lips But I guess she also like he freed her so how could she not Feel some gratitude about that in a way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: And we, I don't think we saw Maria get to fully put her back down, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I mean.
[UNKNOWN]: Not getting up.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, she wasn't, you know, this was 1900 New Year's Eve.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's been, you know, more than 100 years.
[UNKNOWN]: So I suppose Maria says probably spent that time trying to get her back down, but we'll see how that goes.
[UNKNOWN]: we will see how that goes.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, so this is the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: You brought up.
[UNKNOWN]: You weren't expecting a costume to awake.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't either, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: But do you think this is her current iteration of being awake or has she now been asleep for another hundred years and is waking up again?
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, I think, I mean, based on, I think we can say the book version is that she, the start comes and, you know, she's, she's quasi awake as she is in this and he plays violin for her and she likes it and she lets him drink from her and then, you know, moves on and then later she hears him playing music when he starts his band and she's like, ooh, I'm now I'm ready for to live.
[UNKNOWN]: so i'm wondering in this version you know maria said it it'll take me a century to get her back down so i'm wondering if he's been like trying to struggle to get her back down ever since and maybe it doesn't work i don't want to say any spoilers but i maybe this is not the last time we see a kasha
[UNKNOWN]: well they've they've said that she comes back in the right in the listot's narration that's why i'm like what is happening here true i'm saying for me from not even knowing what happens in the future in the books what's going on here yeah no i i think probably it's marius like struggling to get her to calm down again and she just is still restless probably this whole time is my and it's not that's not really based on the books as is based on my interpretation of the combination of the books and what we've seen
[UNKNOWN]: I do love his table especially with the cabbages but did you notice also there was a setting with a piece of cake for Marie Antoinette because of course it was the French Revolution and she you know yeah even though she never said it we all you know it's funny is like that was like the thing like everybody would say let the meat gig for a while and then so many people were like but she never actually said that that I think that's the more annoying thing to say now
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, that's fair, but also I wonder like the Antoinette part obviously makes me think about his future fledgling who gave a finger.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love how he talks about Magnus creeping on his older brother.
[UNKNOWN]: Like let's not forget that we have Magnus is a creep.
[UNKNOWN]: But Magnus is a creep.
[UNKNOWN]: But I love most of all, just let's start his child like joy at bringing, first of all, he's been buried for 80 years.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's rediscovering the world himself and then he's bringing it back to share with a Kasha, you know, like look at these new plates.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen to this new music, ice cream scoop, you know, which by the way is something from the opening credits, people like ice cream scoop, now we know.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I think even before he spread blood on her lips, I think he made her more alive just with his infectious energy.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that's absolutely right.
[UNKNOWN]: Marius was incredibly boring to her.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't blame her because I think I too would be like, what the hell?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's crazy that this is only 10 years before he met Louie, so I wonder, like, how many did in the 10 years to recover from how this all ends up?
[UNKNOWN]: I know, I know, he's like, I'm just going to learn to fly for a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she is also in the source of come to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Why he keeps saying come to me to everyone that comes from her?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he took it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is his new thing now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I and I think he might be the source of her questioning because I mean, let's yeah, this whole thing about her being kept.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we can, I always thought it was creepy that she was just kind of kept like this and they make it much clearer in the show that like, oh, we can't even give her anything too strong, less shade, wake up because we can't handle the powerful woman, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's start, it's meanwhile, these 10 years.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just like, manically asking all these questions.
[UNKNOWN]: What are the origins?
[UNKNOWN]: What are God?
[UNKNOWN]: What about my mother leaving me questioning whether he is evil, even though his mother said he's not evil enough last episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, you know, she, when she wakes up, like do you think she was just
[UNKNOWN]: Ranting the whole three days that was just twisting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I absolutely think that if you want to, I'll play this here.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, chills.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, dramatic, but she comes first like she's questioning all of these things like just about basically she's giving this whole rant about how women have been treated horribly for millennia because if it's like the books, then Marius would be about 2,000 years old and a costume would be about 6,000 years old.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, like, just talking about the expectations that women open their arms must always be soft and must always, you know, and then there seems to be questions about vampirism, like, what, what, why the days without number?
[UNKNOWN]: What is this for?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is her death prolonged?
[UNKNOWN]: When will it stop and who will stop it?
[UNKNOWN]: like I think her immortality is driving her a bit mad, but especially the fact that she is
[UNKNOWN]: not I don't think consensually being kept in this way she's being trapped for her own protection which is very I keep bringing up this yellow wallpaper short story but it's very much that vibe like oh you got to keep the woman contained unless she hurt herself and people around her or Reneera in the beginning of this season of House of the Dragon that's a theme there too it's just
[UNKNOWN]: I feel her when she's yelling these things.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like hard not to be on her side a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Not great, not great any of us.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just want to point out that the omel thing, she also keeps mentioning the name omel.
[UNKNOWN]: OK.
[UNKNOWN]: It was at Amol, it was at Amol, you know, behind all this basically, and one other thing that I will bring up again inside the coffin, she says is, and why is her tongue cut out?
[UNKNOWN]: So that seems to maybe refer to another character that people are nervous we might not be getting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm so ready for the inside of the coffin segment for this because I don't know what's going on with her I first of all I just want to save as performance was amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a gosh performance.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely amazing and terrifying and she's like alluring and terrifying What a balance to strike Yeah, yeah, I mean they didn't make her do a stupid snake walk like poor Leah Oh, no, I never watched that movie and I don't think I will
[UNKNOWN]: It's fun.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not good, but it's fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I know what also is.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's not fun.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not fun.
[UNKNOWN]: It's when Louie begs Lestat to see Regina.
[UNKNOWN]: She recognizes him and he asks her to stop swiddling Louie.
[UNKNOWN]: With her explanation, he realizes all Louie's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: He won't confirm that she looks exactly like Claudia, but he runs off anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: And he tells Louie to stop seeing her before writing her tribute ballad in the studio.
[UNKNOWN]: and we're making the band, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get to that in a minute, but man, what a montage year.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, first of all, what do you think of the fact that Louis didn't call us that after he got shot?
[UNKNOWN]: Granted, he knew and let's start wasn't going to die from it, but a lot of people are really upset with Louis this week for that and other things.
[UNKNOWN]: His selfishness is
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I do think that Louie is very selfish and he calls himself that right exactly and he's he's very self-centered I would say even more than selfish is that he's kind of just he's so locked in on his own emotions that he doesn't really see outside them a lot of the time and so you know he's been a little busy with other things and
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know the level of is it a call or a text thing when your vampire friend gets shot because it's again, it's not life-threatening.
[UNKNOWN]: It reminds me, you know that I don't know if you watch Kirby or enthusiasm that there's an episode where Richard Lewis's parakeet dies and Larry texts them and this is like, how dare you text me?
[UNKNOWN]: He goes, well, if it was a person, that's a call, but up a bird, you get a text.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I feel like the same distinction.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a vampire getting shot, I guess it's like, do you call your friend if they break their leg?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even think it's that's here.
[UNKNOWN]: Like a beast thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Got a beast thing?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Not even allergic and you got a beast thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's but it's more about the emotional mental trauma I suppose.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I guess the idea of your whole tour has stopped.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Your whole career halted.
[UNKNOWN]: That was the bigger impact.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And we do see that Louie does get self involved.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the whole thing with his sister, while she was still around, you know, that he would just not go and see her for years at a time, it seemed like.
[UNKNOWN]: But I love that he says, let's start, oh, I knew you were gonna bring that up, like you can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's Louie, Louie's his own worst enemy, a lot of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think of the, the interaction between the start and Claudia?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Claudia calls him out pretty quick.
[UNKNOWN]: And I really like that listot is facially being very cold on the surface level, but you can see in his eyes that he's really struggling with us.
[UNKNOWN]: Really great performance by Sam Raiden here.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way that he breaks down right when he leaves is it's wonderful to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's horrifying, but wonderful to watch because it's just such a masterclass in this kind of facial acting.
[UNKNOWN]: In this kind of broken hearted singing,
[UNKNOWN]: As somebody who was trained as a recording engineer, it was a little cheesy to see Sam go.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, let me.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's singing.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me jump on the board.
[UNKNOWN]: Quick quick set up the board.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the montage later.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I was still thinking about the diner.
[UNKNOWN]: But no, I thought in the diner, though, just his reaction, his interaction with her there, just like that he looked so, yeah, indeed, where he's like, you're hurting him, find someone else to swindle, and I, but I think...
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's really saying that he was heard as well, that's what it looked like.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still suspicious of her, she says she still picks up shifts to ground herself.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though she got 500,000, I'm like, I don't know, I don't know about this.
[UNKNOWN]: And another thing that made me suspicious was when Lestot says to her, you know he's been out there for an hour, stop performing, and she's like shifts, like she knows she's been called out.
[UNKNOWN]: So if that's a performance, how much of all of this is a performance on her part?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know if she wants to be turned.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know how deeply she wants to be involved in this.
[UNKNOWN]: The money's great, especially when you have debts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It's bad for everybody involved.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, you know, 500k walk away with it and be done for everybody's sake.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it seemed like also she was maybe she thought like the start was going to mess up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like she was taunting the start, you know, first of all, she says like the internet says you're dead, like then I must be, yeah, but then the worst part was when she says he's bringing you into all this.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to be a family uncle less and like that was just that was cruel.
[UNKNOWN]: That felt intentionally cruel.
[UNKNOWN]: He did not ask for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, but I don't know if that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it was unfair because I think that's what she's expected from Louis so far and why else would he know where she is other than he's part of the act now.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know, it was, I really felt like, and I think that the montage of follows hits harder because they set this up so well here.
[UNKNOWN]: Like even, you know, the cinematography on this show has spectacular in general and just the choice that when he walks back to the car, it's the most realistic, grounded, shaky cam.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I've seen on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: just showing that like he is all facade has been stripped away in this moment.
[UNKNOWN]: He is just stripped to the core by this experience.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think personally, I know other people disagree with me, but I think he was lying to Louis when he said it doesn't look anything like her.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, oh, yes, definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he just is exactly like her.
[UNKNOWN]: He just wants Louis to move on and stop hurting himself in the situation.
[UNKNOWN]: the same new glass eyes song now that it tickled my heart strings I was fair I was here and up
[UNKNOWN]: Especially that the whole part, even when we parted ways, you never turned, turned your gaze, and I can still hear you say, don't break that stare, I'm burning in your mirror tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: As we actually watch Claudia burn again from the season two finale, like, and ashes fall down.
[UNKNOWN]: And, oh my gosh, that got me crying more than once.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's also like these messed up lines and they're like he says no one gets to keep my smile.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't pull it off me like one of your souvenirs, which is calling back like lovingly calling back to her serial killer habit of collecting the body parts of her victims.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, but then to him though, that's like a durable daughter behavior, just like the same as we see her hand playing the piano with him like she used to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And just the gays staring at him, that really got me.
[UNKNOWN]: The way that it kept flashing back to her, looking at him, was she died?
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a snow 41, 127 on Reddit pointed out the name of staying glass eyes is so special to me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's an immediate call back to Louis in Grace, Louis sister, in season one, where she refers to his new vampiric eyes like church windows.
[UNKNOWN]: It places loose stats and Claudia on the same level of legitimacy as Louis's human family and also connects back to their evolving family dynamic.
[UNKNOWN]: Uncle, throw a pillow, that's my addition, that's still the best one that we're happened in the show, it's on the curly thing, so it's been said, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, this was so perfectly set up as you pointed out last week by, let's start dressing up, not only with the hair and makeup like Baby Lou, but people have been pointing out that he was wearing basically the same pants that he was wearing during the trial.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was wearing that to confront our mom, obviously, who, for his part in the trial, in part.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I will say as much as it was mean to do that to our mom, what our mom did was
[UNKNOWN]: And, uh, he did say to Armand when Armand's like, oh, I know you weren't trying to trick me because no, it was torture.
[UNKNOWN]: He was very upfront about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that I'd necessarily fully believe that, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was kind to Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And torture for Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it can be.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: He was having his cake in eating it, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Thinking of Marie Antoinette.
[UNKNOWN]: Poor one out for Marie.
[UNKNOWN]: the blood of a kasha.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just becomes such a meme.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw somebody on Reddit when somebody was like worrying about cancellation and somebody responded to them, the show has the blood of a kasha in it.
[UNKNOWN]: I literally just killed me.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely got me.
[UNKNOWN]: So Larry leaves the band instead of joining the new sound and re-recording the album.
[UNKNOWN]: The other members asked to be made vampires, but Lestat remembers floating for three days after drinking from Akasha.
[UNKNOWN]: Marius returns to calm the chattering Akasha, and he banishes Lestat as unworthy.
[UNKNOWN]: The band is unconvinced by Lestat's cautionary tale, and cuts their hands to begin the turning process, delighting the Leon Corps.
[UNKNOWN]: Armand convinces Larry to rest.
[UNKNOWN]: Poor Larry, like, you know, when I, my defense of our mind, it's a half or anest half ingest, but I just want to say poor Larry, I did enjoy Larry as a character, I enjoyed he clearly cared about his brother, I do think that let's start cared about him in his way, even though like he, like I said, I think he bullied him because he saw himself in him in the ways he didn't like.
[UNKNOWN]: And Larry says,
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I had the yips.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the best two years of my life, and I quit, and then he dies!
[UNKNOWN]: That's so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, at least he had a good two years.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: And he got the last thing that happened to him other than her mom was getting recognized at the subway station, so he made it.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, many of them has broken up because a less talented former front runner is bitter that a new front runner who was more talented came in.
[UNKNOWN]: as many example panic at the disco I would say is is one that comes to the forefront the old I didn't know that the former front runner I believe Ryan was the front runner and Brendan came in later but then then they got famous with Brendan as a singer because he was a lot better and then Ryan left the band so it's a whole thing anyway I'm just thinking of that as an example at the top of my head
[UNKNOWN]: You know, some people, I know I'm not the best singer in the world if I were in a band and somebody was like, I'm gonna be the singer now.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd probably be like, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know that he, like I think Larry, he was happy when the band was doing well.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he necessarily was upset about that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he just was having self-doubt.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do have to wonder how much of that was intentionally fed by our mom via Alex.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, the last things Arman says to Larry is a rephrasing of that pep talk about, like, earlier, a terror mogoli, a total shredder with an axe, you do look tired.
[UNKNOWN]: You should probably get some rest.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate her.
[UNKNOWN]: I just hate him.
[UNKNOWN]: How traumatic was this for the fan who was like, did I talk him into killing himself because I was
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was I was thinking that too like man that is pretty traumatic.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know I hope I hope she doesn't blame herself for it, but that's pretty bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I did I did cackle a little bit just at the at our mom's face at the end like it's just that unblinking, unmoving
[UNKNOWN]: Statue look of like yep.
[UNKNOWN]: I just did that thing.
[UNKNOWN]: There we go.
[UNKNOWN]: So the Greek conversion that's happening and you know Lestad doesn't seem to want to be involved, but he's about to convert three vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think this whole kind of put the tip of the scale?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think it's happening on a much bigger scale.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why Gabriella wants the music because it reaches a lot more vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: I do have a question about the three bandmates.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think let's stop turn them all or do you think there are three vampires there?
[UNKNOWN]: Did they each turn one or did let's stop turn them all?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I would be upset if let's stop where an option and I didn't get turned by the blood of a kasha.
[UNKNOWN]: And I guess we did see Louie floating so that must be able to be passed down.
[UNKNOWN]: Wouldn't there a thing though, didn't you tell me about this lore thing that like, if they turn too often, they're like not as strong fledglings?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a thing in the books, they haven't established it in the show, but I mean it's basically like you can sort of deplete your turning potency, that's opposed.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, this whole turning the Bammates thing is new, like the Bammates definitely got a lot more screen time in this, which I know some people are complaining about online, but I actually really love that about this.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I like them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They remind me of sex babam from Scott Pilgrim versus the world.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think is going to happen with them next?
[UNKNOWN]: Do we?
[UNKNOWN]: Do we think they're going to survive this season?
[UNKNOWN]: Any of them?
[UNKNOWN]: Um.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think they're going into this on.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not going to learn how to sunwalk.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, magnets did talk about the drummer being at the table, which I was thinking since the narration is from the future.
[UNKNOWN]: the narrator would know that eventually T.C.
[UNKNOWN]: was at the table, but someone also pointed out, what was this name like Felix or something that random dude, the, the, the, the thought turned that we met at the end of season two who popped up for a second on May Fair Witches.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He was also a drummer?
[UNKNOWN]: Huh.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I didn't say about T.C.
[UNKNOWN]: earlier than I meant to is when Lestop was trying to do his son singing, she was so
[UNKNOWN]: All right, are we ready?
[UNKNOWN]: We're ready.
[UNKNOWN]: She's strapping them with paint with tape and whatnot and salamanders there with the blanket.
[UNKNOWN]: So good.
[UNKNOWN]: They were they were all in on the bed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they were all in on it and and it's true Larry was getting frustrated and the others were like, no, let's do this.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, let's push ourselves to the next level.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's learn how to play drums like a metaphor.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I've talked before about poster theory and I'll say that it is alive and well in the fandom.
[UNKNOWN]: poster theory again is just the fact that all the character posters that have been released for this season are either pink or green and so pink is considered the stats color and green is our month's color and just to run over again who is on team pink is the stat.
[UNKNOWN]: Lui, Gabriella, Nicola, Magnus, T.C.
[UNKNOWN]: Larry, and Baby Janks.
[UNKNOWN]: Now that's the one where I'm like, really, I mean, I guess Baby Janks, you know, they did have a bond in the first episode, but I can't imagine she's too happy with him and Lui right now after.
[UNKNOWN]: Although, maybe they saved her from birth, because he was a douche, an abusive douche.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, Team Green is our mom, Daniel Alex, which, yeah, we now see that Alex is under her mom's control, Yarda, who...
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I have questions about Yarda.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll come back to that, but I'm not surprised by that.
[UNKNOWN]: Raglan James and Rashid, so the telemaska people, which is interesting to me, Regina, with the telemaska people, again, just a theory, and telemander, which I do not get at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would telemander be on that team?
[UNKNOWN]: but yard a totally makes sense to me because every time list.season like even an episode for this one point, list.
[UNKNOWN]: Walks outside, sees yard and just throws him again because after the whole sleeping with this mom thing, let's start ruined the car.
[UNKNOWN]: that, and so Yardah had to be put in some other car, Christine was saying last episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but Lestat also said this episode when he was paying people off.
[UNKNOWN]: He paid off a corner, and then later said that Lestat was two meters underground.
[UNKNOWN]: So, do we think Yardah is still actually alive or did Lestat kill him?
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of want him to be dead.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to see Sam read it in the slide anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: don't want to see it anymore you can think of me my eye candy back what do you think of post your theory do you think there's anything to it no i honestly i i was looking at it as you were talking to try to match it up and i'm just like no i don't buy this these are not the teams this is just uh this is just the way they divided them i just don't buy that
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'll turn you.
[UNKNOWN]: He'll cut you up into the woods.
[UNKNOWN]: The Gremlin Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: I like that they actually use that in the poster.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I like that they do.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, yeah, let's use the fandom names.
[UNKNOWN]: They're good.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well, that's the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We did it.
[UNKNOWN]: This was a good episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We had a couple pieces of feedback.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, let's get to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Kiko Abeney said, precious vampire Sam is back.
[UNKNOWN]: I was hoping to get more of my favorite DJ, Sam Reed in black should be a crime against the loins, my word.
[UNKNOWN]: We're waiting for you to check in on the state of your loins in season three of silo.
[UNKNOWN]: This was a discussion about one of the Foxy Noxie.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, well, I'm not even aware of all this.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I asked today.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll take this a little bit of a time.
[UNKNOWN]: She said I watched last night finally and I am not okay before I read other thoughts here.
[UNKNOWN]: Insights are deep thoughts to share firing these off.
[UNKNOWN]: My spouse and I both cried at stained glass eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Holy wow.
[UNKNOWN]: It was of course a little cheesy with the ash and the subtitles like it was a music video.
[UNKNOWN]: But on second thought, brilliant that the two themes that have been depicted as such were two of the greatest trauma
[UNKNOWN]: Magnus and Claudia.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still curious as to why he crossed the ocean to, quote, be in a play that killed your daughter, but I'm certain more than ever that we will get more of that.
[UNKNOWN]: What would you think about the whole list at being part of that play situation?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he actually was there to be part of it, like I don't think.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he was there knowing what was going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he was there in Europe, in general, to be part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like he went back to Europe to just be like, oh fuck this stuff in America, this heart.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going back home.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I have thoughts, I'm waiting for more of this story to play out.
[UNKNOWN]: I have book-based thoughts that I'm just curious, yeah, to see,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I said I continue even the cheesiness of the music video has a couple angles slash nuances.
[UNKNOWN]: Magnus music video was a stop glossing over almost literally the trauma and violence and not wanting to share the disturbing truth with his viewers such audience.
[UNKNOWN]: Claudia Wan was the most incredibly raw we have ever seen the stats other than maybe post-wolf killing and the stuff with Nikola, but even those were just him going through the events versus this is, quote unquote, going through it as the kid say, processing the trauma to a degree, similar to the loneliness performance, and watching him do this is almost too intrusive to bear too much emotion for us to feel.
[UNKNOWN]: So turning it into a music video seemed to me to be the showrunners' way of softening the experience for us.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I enjoyed it as a music video.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it's softened it for me to turn into a music video because it made me cry.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Softening it?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't agree with the softening part, but it it enhanced the experience for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's something about the way music taps into our primal emotions.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a rounded it out to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, rounded it out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She says, I need a timeline of let's start turning Gabby's turning the dirt nap, um, the awakening.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So the basic timeline is that, um, before the French Revolution, he turned within a few months, he turned his mother, and then they went traveling for a few years during that time, the whole burning thing where they went and hidden a bog for a while that he talked about with Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: And then,
[UNKNOWN]: that beach in Spain, Gabriela, left him and then he buried himself for 80 years.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe it was in the end and then Akasha sent Marius to dig him up and bring him back to be here keeper for 10 years and then we don't know what he did immediately after that
[UNKNOWN]: So that's a basic timeline in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for laying that out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's helpful to me too, and as someone who has been actively podcasting about this, yeah, I mean, that is a thing about doing the story out of order in this way.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it, but it does take a bit of puzzling together, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: What does she say next?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, how should I pronounce this?
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, fucking kasha.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Incredible choice to introduce her as softly trying to pronounce the word scoop, a device made for childlike joy before I am the answer.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how you come into the show into the show and become this fully formed being that I believe is Uber powerful thousands of years old and angry at being kept presumably
[UNKNOWN]: We laughed a lot at.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been up here for three days.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, poor Larry poor our mom Still up to your murdergrading lintactics.
[UNKNOWN]: Why kill Larry?
[UNKNOWN]: Edging yes freezing that much close closer to old men kissing I mean yeah, our mom is rather old for Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 500 years
[UNKNOWN]: still waiting to feel shipy not that kind of feelings rearman and dang on myself though arman wire you such a creeper although i did find out that arman in the book book spoilers okay okay yeah i did that seems okay was fascinated by the idea of a mortal knowing about vampires and after capturing him sent him out in the world to see what he would do and stalked him basically
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll say one thing that the scoop thing kind of actually reminded me of an or mom book thing where he discovers blenders and it's just delighted by blenders.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: On the Louis note of most pressing need to get off my chest, Louis dealing with exactly one ghost for whom he has enacted some revenge, calling and crying to Lestat who is dealing with 20,000 ghosts, including Louis, who was so like Louis, selfish.
[UNKNOWN]: However, it's not like he's been able to process what happened after the trial either.
[UNKNOWN]: His lover of 77 years orchestrated a play to kill his daughter, his lover before that took part in it.
[UNKNOWN]: Saved him, but not her, his own daughter, leaving him with all the survivors guilt, and for all we know he thinks like Lestot hates Claudia too.
[UNKNOWN]: There's just so much there that is
[UNKNOWN]: I've got my mom a bias, I think, kind of the opposite.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think I want that quite literally, but she won't give it, I give me that, not yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I've got, you and Claudia, my hand-free ex-lover.
[UNKNOWN]: My maker and abuser that I might have started trauma processing, but I'm listot, so it's hard to tell.
[UNKNOWN]: The Grimlin is back, IRL.
[UNKNOWN]: I got an album I can't get right, because the band doesn't get it man.
[UNKNOWN]: And now they want to be turned and you're calling me about your sad little daughter, look alike, dull issue.
[UNKNOWN]: But all he says is, you didn't call me after I got shot.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't I can't bring myself to write anything about the listot regina scene in the diner.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's dark.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think that destroyed him.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say the dopamini says pretty much in response to this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's with a deep silence dot says, yeah, okay, and goes into the diner for Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: His most generous generous acts of love ever or has his selfishness,
[UNKNOWN]: truly been a mischaracterization of his real heart.
[UNKNOWN]: Because responding to Louise texts when he only had to send four of them, leaving recording one time in four months, four, Louis, and then not quipping with sarcasm or throwing a fit, but just saying, I got shot and you didn't even call.
[UNKNOWN]: Any other heated rivalry friends?
[UNKNOWN]: Think of we didn't even kiss in that moment?
[UNKNOWN]: And because he is genuinely moved by Louie's pain, he does the thing being begged of him, he goes into the diner.
[UNKNOWN]: And we see how deeply this impacts him.
[UNKNOWN]: But he just tells Louie it's not her, and to call next time someone tries fucking killing him.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is also saying pay attention to my existence and check in on me occasionally, please, because we are in eternity together
[UNKNOWN]: I just want these two to work out so much.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'm popular opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm new to this world and I know the fandom is intense, but I see great love and they have plenty of time.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I don't want to say spoilers, but I'll say, Lou Stad is the biggest, most popular ship in the fandom, so definitely not unpopular opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's the original ship, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's, I could imagine it's the most popular ship, because, you know, it's the ship.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I say there's people who I think are being a lot of fandom, I think is being a bit too impatient with them, whereas I like that this story and the show gives them time to deal with their own stuff because, you know, you gotta be in an okay place with yourself to be in an okay place with someone else.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What else?
[UNKNOWN]: What else is the scope of a mini-say?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, dopamine says I think my advantage, not knowing the books, is that I do have what I know is a potentially toxic deep effect for Armand.
[UNKNOWN]: Most possibly the most gorgeous human I've ever seen.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel none of these things to be heard.
[UNKNOWN]: This is John talking now.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, back to dopamine, however, I was for the first time honestly scared by his role in how the episode ended.
[UNKNOWN]: Unless there is something we didn't see that was horrifying and it bothered me that he said Marius was dead destroyed yet there is Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: he is playing a lot of games or so it appears and that's making me doubt his core ethics which I'm assuming the show is doing intentionally i don't know why you would not doubt his core i i mean my i did okay but i did say earlier i did recap earlier that's this is one of the reasons why i recap to what he told us last season about his origins that it's not him like he genuinely
[UNKNOWN]: did not know that Marius was still alive and it's actually let's stop being messed up by not telling him that he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was funny.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a change from the book, too, is let's not the minute he hears about Marius is like, oh, he's definitely alive.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we don't know, honestly, maybe there's been conversations in the interceding time, but when our mom said he was not alive, he truly believed it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And in the show, let's not believe him, but in the books, he's just like, no, I think he's alive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think that they did go looking for Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: He and his mom may be driven by his mom more, perhaps, but she was like, she kept asking our mom questions about him and then they went to Italy and then they were making all these jokes all the time about Marius.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they were there looking for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they definitely made a lot of adaptation just like I don't think you're too much about Marius in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so don't have any continues.
[UNKNOWN]: Also the stock convulsing in the errands grooming.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been up here for three days.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably the line at left hardest.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all season.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: It's right up there to he with I bet.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's quite up there.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really good.
[UNKNOWN]: was maria's basically saying he got drunk before getting a cautiously moved into the darkness and passed out and that's why she and everyone else burned yeah yeah ankle yeah uh... how would the day walkers have been affected doesn't matter
[UNKNOWN]: That is, I mean, we definitely, I'm like perking up my ears at Armand promising to tell Daniel, day walker stuff because like I have big questions about how this is working in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know either.
[UNKNOWN]: You know a lot more than me and Lisa, so I'll save that for you for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'll say ankle.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they did not, when they were left out in the books, which again was not Marius' photos, before him, but the vampires tethered to them burned, but they did themselves did not, because they are so ancient.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we'll have to save more for books, Weiler's section.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you both, Topamine and...
[UNKNOWN]: I said, oh, and Kiko, I've been here.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: What else are we doing on the lower-hounds network before we go into our post credit books with a section?
[UNKNOWN]: um well there's also weekly house of the dragon coverage coming out which is from now on it is David and John together um but John and I are also doing super girl uh later this week we're going to finally talk about this so nice I haven't been able to see it so I won't be joining you but I look forward to hearing your thoughts and listening more into your depth once I actually get to see it
[UNKNOWN]: I'm actually going to see it right before we record because I've just had worked off to do so, but I'm very much looking forward to it so it's going to be fresh fresh off the dome.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: um yeah and then uh do check out also the wool shift dust feed and that is where weekly silo coverage is underway so um i've seen the first two episodes of the silo season as we're recording and i personally i know people are upset about a certain amnesia storyline but i'll say it is tied to important bookstuff
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm really happy with the start of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And I like episode two even more than episode one.
[UNKNOWN]: These, this Washington D.C. storyline is really doing it for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to catch up now.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a little behind because I was traveling, but I'm going to catch up this week.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm excited.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a good start to the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: And what else we got?
[UNKNOWN]: I think those are the main things.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to do second breakfast later this month with your Somalia special.
[UNKNOWN]: write for subscribers so patreon and supercast subscribers you get ad free access to all of these episodes plus bonuses like that yeah we're gonna do a wine movie this month probably sideways but we'll see it's up for a vote very nice i'm excited i'm really excited for that let's can be a lot of fun
[UNKNOWN]: plenty of other stuff like little bonus stuff like we have some early story coming out this month with Deney from captain's pod and of course Marilyn is now joining me as my permaco host so Marilyn will always be on some early stories from now on and Deney is our guest this month fun yeah we had a lot of fun talking about Doriaith which is uh
[UNKNOWN]: an elven realm or is it any more it's it's called the ruin of Doria the chapter I guess spoilers spoilers in the title
[UNKNOWN]: Um, on the rest of the network, you already talked about bullshit dust, but we've got uh, Cosmere Corner is launching at the end of the month.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to get editing so bad, but um, yes, with the first episode is premiering on July 31st.
[UNKNOWN]: We're having a great time covering Ms. Born the final empire as our first book.
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing just a few chapters a week, so check.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... check out that feed once it launches we also have never mind the music doing their weekly music and psychology show there always have a great time i'm gonna be guessing with them next month so keep an ear on for that ooh what's the topic can you say i don't know if i can say i don't want to ruin it all right and no coal all right so for now i think we're ready to head out if you do the first two i'll do the lore masters
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[UNKNOWN]: All right, we're here and ready to go with the answers.
[UNKNOWN]: Kiwakasha, Alicia, tell me about these book spoiler moments because I feel like there's so much here that I'm not seeing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, first, wait, we have to take a step back and address something that happened in an earlier episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I know everyone's dying to know.
[UNKNOWN]: I got an answer to the book question of whether or not vampires pee.
[UNKNOWN]: And the answer is no.
[UNKNOWN]: I had totally forgot about this.
[UNKNOWN]: I am still in the middle of rereading Queen of the dams, but apparently in the next book and now that they bring it up, yeah, there's as whole sequence in the next book, the tale of the body thief.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, let's start switches into a human body.
[UNKNOWN]: And so he has to like,
[UNKNOWN]: learned to human again, you know, and that includes going to the bathroom and eating, and he's not a fan of others.
[UNKNOWN]: I've either, and he says that he basically, he's peeing for the first time in 200 years, and it does not go well.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Essential, lower knowledge about that change.
[UNKNOWN]: But probably, which you were asking more about is, should we talk about a male?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I have no idea what's going on here.
[UNKNOWN]: So what we talked about from previous inside the coffin segments that Cory brought up and brought up also is the fact Amel is a spirit.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm just going to skip the whole everything we learn about him way later in the books and just leave it at.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a spirit who becomes attached to Akasha, about 6,000 years ago, after he's developed a little tasty taste for blood, and basically that's how vampires are formed.
[UNKNOWN]: And so every vampire from there is turned through Akasha, you know, Akasha turned the first ones and then it went on from there basically.
[UNKNOWN]: So, at some point, Akasha, she wakes up and she becomes very dangerous and starts killing a lot of vampires.
[UNKNOWN]: We find out much later that this great conversion is stretching.
[UNKNOWN]: the tether of Amel II thin and he's like we got it in the herd with too many, too many, I can't maintain this power.
[UNKNOWN]: So it starts burning people, but also Akasha, we see that she's got this righteous feminist rage about being kept and
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we've gotten some teas as already at the beginning of the season about how that's going to go.
[UNKNOWN]: So obviously people are like, we got to stop Akasha.
[UNKNOWN]: In the books, there are these two characters, twins from Akasha's age era, 6,000 years ago called Maharet and Makari.
[UNKNOWN]: And they are basically twin witches.
[UNKNOWN]: Redheaded.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there was a Disney movie about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, yes, switches, switches, these are these are red-headed, so they're tree-in have like, unusually pale skin, so they're seen as a bit weird, and just yeah, witchy, and Akasha consults with them about things, and they're actually all involved in the almost spirit getting attached to Akasha thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And so Akasha, lashes out at them, takes out Maharet's eyes and Makari's tongue,
[UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, the stuff happens, thousands of years happens, and to the present time during the vampire listot and Queen of the Damned, and the two sisters come back together to help defeat Akasha, and the way they do it is they behead Akasha, but then Makari eats Akasha's brain.
[UNKNOWN]: and heart, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: And so that means that she takes on possession of the spirit of Amal for a while, for a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: And then in the very late books,
[UNKNOWN]: Lestat eventually, McCarray is just like miserable and she just wants out and she's just like, please, Lestat pretty kill me and take Alma onto yourself and so he does eventually.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is part of his arc of learning to take more responsibility and he becomes Prince Lestat of the Vampires and all that.
[UNKNOWN]: So eventually, Alma is inside Lestat.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's why everybody's freaking out about him saying in this episode,
[UNKNOWN]: did you follow that?
[UNKNOWN]: Does that mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess they're they're confirming that.
[UNKNOWN]: So within the question is, people are like, are the twins, Maharetta, Makari, being cut out?
[UNKNOWN]: There are a lot of people who think the fact that Lestat has been talking about these twin witches that he saw burned at the stake.
[UNKNOWN]: Now the burning at the stake thing that comes from the books, but people think that maybe they're making those twin witches Makari and Maharetta, even though Lestat called them in the episode Mark and Amy Rulei,
[UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know that I buy that, we got one telling thing this episode where Akasha in her rant.
[UNKNOWN]: One of the things she says is, why is her tongue cut out?
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, bitch, because you cut her tongue out in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: So, this is it.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Roman Jones just doesn't want, which is near the show after what happened with May Fair Witches.
[UNKNOWN]: We're getting witchy next week.
[UNKNOWN]: We know that.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that already from the trailer.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't watched the trailer.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, I'm so spoiler-free.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
[UNKNOWN]: Until I ruin it, I'll for you here.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's, yeah, that's the big question everyone now.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, so what point in the timeline, if Lestot is Amel narrating this, what point in the timeline is it?
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm wondering now, you know, I was like wondering next season, if they do queen of the dam, to would it be from a cautious point of view, and that seems like wouldn't Lestot get two seasons of from his point of view, but like if they actually do it from,
[UNKNOWN]: almost point of view.
[UNKNOWN]: He's omniscient.
[UNKNOWN]: He was inside McCarray for 6,000 years.
[UNKNOWN]: He knows everything that's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: He could just, we could, yeah, just have the same narration and like the books, these two seasons would be two halves of the same story, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what they're going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And it all comes to a head in that concert that they've been teasing.
[UNKNOWN]: It takes place on Halloween in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's where all shit breaks loose.
[UNKNOWN]: And in the vampire world and with the kasha and everything else, it's also a centerpiece of the following book.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's...
[UNKNOWN]: I think we're getting that set up next week and that's going to be the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: And I have to say the one, my one criticism about the season is I do wish the Gabrielle when she left.
[UNKNOWN]: earlier in the season, I wish she had stayed away, because I don't know if they're going to do this, but in the book at the very end, she, when all hell breaks loose, she shows up with a getaway car to like takeless thought and looming some others and, you know, get out, she shows up as a savior, and that's not going to hit as hard considering she's been around the whole time if they do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would be kind of cheap.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if they'll just give that job to somebody else for the getaway car.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, make it Christine.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was just taking out like Christine shows up to get the hell in.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'd fit her character to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: One other non-devils minion corner theory.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw this week that I, I don't hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're drawing a lot of attention to Lemmoel, but we're not learning much about him, but we're having Fingers pointed at him a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: So a lot of people are like, is he actually another character from the books who's going by this name, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: And now, some people think he might be a cautious son, Seth, who again ends up with freed.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I just a random theory I saw I don't hate it other can't end up with Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care about any No, don't end up with Louis.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, he won't he won't.
[UNKNOWN]: But he could be another one.
[UNKNOWN]: Some people saying like came in as another one from a cautious day, but anyway, we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Should we talk devil's minion?
[UNKNOWN]: You I know you hate our
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I hate it because I don't want Daniel to suffer.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think it's never going to be that rapport student.
[UNKNOWN]: We, what did he do again?
[UNKNOWN]: He used the poor student that our mom saved and took back home and mine, white.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I don't think Daniel's innocent.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think he's innocent either.
[UNKNOWN]: And he clearly was not a great father and husband.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, fine, you can have your little devil's minion.
[UNKNOWN]: I do hope that next season, there's been, you know, we were told at the beginning of the season, Luke Brennan Field, the younger Daniels, not coming back, but he's still part of the family, Roland Jones said.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe next season, we get to fill in more of those 52 years.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see what was going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's definitely, it's like taking the Devil's minion timeline and extending it even more versus the book version.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I still, I'm skeptical about Alice, the fact that they keep bringing her up and not showing her to us.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, all right, I need to see Alice if you want me to, I'm starting to go with the tinfoil hat there is on our mom being Alice.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Distorted memory in Daniel's mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh, this guy has really pulled a number on like everybody in his life.
[UNKNOWN]: He's had so many numbers pulled on him.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think as many numbers as he's both.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: I just I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I do not think his output is less than his input
[UNKNOWN]: We need Vampire Armand season and then everyone's gonna feel so bad about being so mean to my part of it all Murdered.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'll keep reading.
[UNKNOWN]: May be I'll keep reading.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll say.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to break after all.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll start He he does do a bit self-pitting Hmm I mean I'll say yeah the vampire Armand book is the one that Mark said he stopped reading and I think someone else today said they also stopped reading in the middle of that book I'm like no
[UNKNOWN]: we're not with you, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not with you on the Armand trade.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of people are.
[UNKNOWN]: There are dozens of us.
[UNKNOWN]: It is interesting that so not only do we have like the older Daniel timeline, which we've talked about may be mixed up in like the David story because David was killed offscreen.
[UNKNOWN]: So we think that they're giving that story to Daniel, but
[UNKNOWN]: And about that, you know, about Daniel dying bad in last week's after dark episode, Eric Bagozi and said he told Roland he wanted a good death.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think they are planning that story, but then they were saying like, but they have to plan it now.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's not going to happen this season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, if they're planning to keep to the books, it would happen that in season five.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do wonder this the fact that they made Marius older than he is in the book when he was turned in the book who's frozen at 40 and here he's I don't know how the actor is but you know 50s whatever 60.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so there's interesting parallels with Daniel
[UNKNOWN]: And for so yeah, there was even a such Zaman joke in interviews like yeah, our mom likes daddy's But it is interesting like does this version of Daniel has he grown into something that reminds our mom
[UNKNOWN]: of his wayward maker Marius in a way, is that playing into this in addition to the fact that we didn't necessarily see it so much in this, but Marius is a scholar and obviously Daniel is has a sharp wit, is an intellect writer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if I'd call him a scholar, but he definitely is smarter than the average guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I think Armand likes the clever ones.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I also, there's like this future bookstore, I don't even know if they would do this if they even have time to do this, but there is a while in the books where Daniel leaves our mind and is with Marius for a while, and then eventually he goes back to our mind.
[UNKNOWN]: So I could see if they still have Daniel in this body, I could see that being an interesting thing where
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel and Marius connect over being turned in older bodies, something that where our mind is permanently frozen as a younger man, that can be an interesting dynamic.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like they're not going to go that far, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like they've done enough work putting him with our mind now that they're not going to go pull away now.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I guess it depends along the show goes on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: we did it, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's my devil's minion corner.
[UNKNOWN]: We did a whole other week.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope our list odd.
[UNKNOWN]: There's only two left and it's long as ever.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so obsessed with the show.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm obsessed with it too.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't apologize to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the fans are going to have a great time with this and I'm having a great time podcasting with you about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really fun to talk about and obsess about all the details because it's it is a show where you can tell everyone involved at every level from, you know, costuming to writing, to acting, filming, they're all, they all care so much about all the details and you feel it in all the nuances.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, everybody, we will see you next week for the penultimate episode of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, until then, I'll be enduring intense conversation with myself.