WEBVTT 00:04.010 --> 00:06.046 [SPEAKER_00]: on the GF name for a GF podcast. 00:07.028 --> 00:15.710 [SPEAKER_01]: And sure, self's gay as listeners, one of the most awarded Broadway direct dresses and choreographies is Christopher Gatelli is here. 00:15.790 --> 00:18.011 [SPEAKER_01]: He does have the Tony Award, the drama does. 00:18.031 --> 00:20.892 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll see a Lord Tell, the Outer Critics Circle Award. 00:20.912 --> 00:25.373 [SPEAKER_01]: And now the award for why are you doing this podcast award. 00:25.473 --> 00:28.253 [SPEAKER_01]: Christopher Gatelli, why do you say yes to this podcast? 00:28.593 --> 00:28.994 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. 00:29.054 --> 00:29.974 [SPEAKER_02]: I love watching you. 00:30.014 --> 00:30.874 [SPEAKER_02]: I love you. 00:31.034 --> 00:34.195 [SPEAKER_02]: You've talked to a lot of my friends and I want to talk to you. 00:35.155 --> 01:00.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Christopher could tell you I cannot tell you how thrill that makes me also it's such a bright light I'm currently in Florida on a vacation with my in-laws so to add some gainess to my week Which has been great, but it's been I feel like I'm studying abroad in heteroville So to have some gay as broad with conversation with you is a dream I do want to get some congratulations out of the way first of all congratulations for this gorgeous top is it a little bit see through or you're just giving us some chest hair 01:01.530 --> 01:02.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Now it's a little bit of everything. 01:02.651 --> 01:02.831 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:03.332 --> 01:03.512 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:03.532 --> 01:03.692 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 01:03.712 --> 01:04.412 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that. 01:05.033 --> 01:06.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Second congratulations. 01:06.955 --> 01:09.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Shmiga Dune won the Tony for Best Musical. 01:09.797 --> 01:10.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Huge. 01:10.517 --> 01:19.645 [SPEAKER_01]: You were nominated for both choreographer and director after being nominated last year for both choreographer and director for Death But Cumsher, a show I absolutely devoured. 01:20.045 --> 01:23.929 [SPEAKER_01]: You were also just announced to be choreographing sound of music at Lincoln Center. 01:24.009 --> 01:27.772 [SPEAKER_01]: You're directing a choreographing the fantastic Broadway debut this 01:29.533 --> 01:33.197 [SPEAKER_01]: next year you're directing a choreographing the Cinderella National Tour. 01:33.257 --> 01:36.961 [SPEAKER_01]: So have you ever heard of anything called a work-life balance? 01:40.545 --> 01:41.306 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, actually. 01:41.326 --> 01:42.126 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually do. 01:42.286 --> 01:44.188 [SPEAKER_02]: I have one believe it or not. 01:44.728 --> 01:53.013 [SPEAKER_01]: It does seem like you do, but I just can't get over how many parts of Broadway culture your gorgeous fingers have touched. 01:53.434 --> 02:01.339 [SPEAKER_01]: And so yes, we're going to get into a lot of the shows that made me gay or at least like reignited in my homosexuality that you have worked on, but I think it's only a fair that we start 02:02.119 --> 02:03.160 [SPEAKER_01]: from the origin story. 02:03.200 --> 02:08.122 [SPEAKER_01]: So Christopher Gatelli, I'm going to ask you the famous podcast question, which is who's fault? 02:08.442 --> 02:09.502 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it that your gay? 02:09.542 --> 02:10.883 [SPEAKER_01]: Who do we blame babe? 02:11.163 --> 02:18.066 [SPEAKER_02]: When I grew up our elementary school was K through six and then we had high school 7 through 12. 02:18.466 --> 02:18.926 [SPEAKER_02]: So we only 02:22.808 --> 02:26.231 [SPEAKER_02]: kindergarten, and there was a boy in the sixth grade. 02:26.251 --> 02:27.993 [SPEAKER_02]: It was an older man, I guess. 02:28.393 --> 02:30.335 [SPEAKER_02]: But um, but I don't know. 02:30.395 --> 02:33.117 [SPEAKER_02]: I just thought this kid was so cute. 02:33.337 --> 02:40.624 [SPEAKER_02]: And so I would like constantly be asking for hall passes to, I would make excuses to ask for a hall pass anywhere just so I could like pass by. 02:41.703 --> 02:46.665 [SPEAKER_02]: his, his class and look in and just like see him and tell us where was this geographic speaking? 02:46.985 --> 02:48.266 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm northeast Philly. 02:48.786 --> 02:49.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure, sure, sure. 02:49.627 --> 02:50.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 02:50.347 --> 02:52.668 [SPEAKER_01]: So Gettelli is obviously a talliano. 02:52.688 --> 02:56.270 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're giving a talliano Philadelphia ono. 02:56.650 --> 02:59.411 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you end up coming out while you were in Philadelphia? 02:59.431 --> 03:00.672 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you wait until you were scoffed? 03:01.934 --> 03:03.775 [SPEAKER_02]: it was kind of when I stopped it. 03:04.255 --> 03:15.360 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is crazy because you I tell me if I'm wrong here, but you one star search as a kid and then you ended up performing as like a dancer after that. 03:15.780 --> 03:18.101 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the lore with the star search of them all? 03:18.461 --> 03:21.103 [SPEAKER_02]: That I mean, I'm laughing because it's funny because if you 03:22.163 --> 03:31.270 [SPEAKER_02]: I think they're all down, I've tried to make sure that they're all down, but if you saw the routines and like what I was wearing, I mean, to me there was never a question. 03:32.991 --> 03:35.993 [SPEAKER_02]: But back in the day, it wasn't, it wasn't, I don't know, just, 03:37.421 --> 03:39.142 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what people did in war. 03:39.202 --> 03:42.644 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it wasn't that you were gay is that you were a showman. 03:42.784 --> 03:44.845 [SPEAKER_01]: You were a performer, you were a storyteller. 03:44.905 --> 03:49.788 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I literally hosted a variety show in my high school and lip sync to dream girls. 03:49.848 --> 03:58.613 [SPEAKER_01]: But instead, we did where your dream hosts, like it really was not, I was in hindsight, I was the same as you, just not. 03:58.633 --> 04:00.794 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no way people couldn't know. 04:00.894 --> 04:04.676 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet, when we came out, people were surprised where people surprised when you came out. 04:05.197 --> 04:05.397 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 04:05.960 --> 04:17.242 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, which I don't know what I think it's do you think people I mean the the deep question is were people wishing you were straight I mean did your family take it okay when you did come out they were fine. 04:17.342 --> 04:33.746 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I think on some level I don't know I think people know but it wasn't as I think today it's it does society is there's so much more open And I think there's more access and just I don't know you there's more awareness and and I don't know I just love 04:34.701 --> 04:44.127 [SPEAKER_02]: more and more like these generations that like everybody is who they try to be for the most part, I mean if they can't be but but back then it was just a different thing you know. 04:45.085 --> 04:57.192 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I can only imagine that, but I think the sort of lore of Star Search, I think you must have known deep down, you were going to be reaching high heights, or to any part of you, like, I guess, let's get into the nuts and bolts. 04:57.232 --> 04:59.473 [SPEAKER_01]: How old were you when the Star Search thing happened? 05:00.814 --> 05:01.114 [SPEAKER_01]: 15. 05:01.654 --> 05:01.914 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 05:01.934 --> 05:04.315 [SPEAKER_01]: So 15 years old and I'll be girlfriend at the time. 05:04.596 --> 05:04.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 05:04.936 --> 05:05.636 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course they do. 05:08.178 --> 05:16.383 [SPEAKER_01]: That's almost as impressive as all of your Tony's, but I have to say you have a firm so much of my gain as with so many of the projects you've worked on. 05:16.664 --> 05:31.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Something that came up as I was doing this prep here is you worked on Ultra Boys, which was something that I saw way back in the day, and I saw myself represented because even that was a show about these religious boy bandie guys, you had a Jew in there and singing 05:36.077 --> 05:45.547 [SPEAKER_01]: Were you working on the show to bring up any religious trauma or were you someone that sort of got through the Christianity unscathed? 05:45.567 --> 05:46.528 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I did. 05:46.648 --> 05:49.051 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean it was funny because I was actually an ultra boy growing up. 05:50.129 --> 05:51.870 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so there's that. 05:53.371 --> 05:55.292 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, but I actually did come to unscathed. 05:55.812 --> 05:56.632 [SPEAKER_02]: It was, it's all fine. 05:57.153 --> 05:57.893 [SPEAKER_02]: And I love that show. 05:58.433 --> 06:07.979 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's, it's, it's kind of crazy how many shows we can point to that speak to the specific like gay guy experience. 06:07.999 --> 06:12.261 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even something like death becomes her, which is not at all. 06:12.361 --> 06:16.043 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess there are like gay characters of course, but 06:16.604 --> 06:24.259 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really a show about what trying to find yourself worth despite the world telling you that the older you get, the less you matter. 06:25.923 --> 06:27.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 06:28.364 --> 06:31.245 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you say that with the show coming to a close? 06:31.525 --> 06:33.866 [SPEAKER_01]: We're recording this on June 24. 06:33.886 --> 06:35.706 [SPEAKER_01]: There's like eight performances left for that run. 06:36.046 --> 06:38.107 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't help but ask some insider questions. 06:38.127 --> 06:43.168 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on with the tour of death becomes or do we have any casting decisions going on? 06:43.208 --> 06:43.909 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the status? 06:44.589 --> 06:46.009 [SPEAKER_02]: That should be released soon. 06:47.250 --> 06:48.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe even by the time this this 06:54.972 --> 06:57.235 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, literally it's like we're boom going right in. 06:57.395 --> 07:00.780 [SPEAKER_01]: So obviously I don't want to know names, but is it all finalized all the casting? 07:01.661 --> 07:03.463 [SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, I think so. 07:03.543 --> 07:08.670 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there may be one more person in the ensemble maybe, but I think like everyone's deals are done, everyone's good to go. 07:09.130 --> 07:09.571 [SPEAKER_01]: Incredible. 07:09.911 --> 07:10.452 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah. 07:10.612 --> 07:26.415 [SPEAKER_01]: As somebody who has work in all these shows and we talk about the audition process like I'm sure there are some Twinks listening to this who have Broadway dreams and go to auditions and want to be able to have Christopher Gatelli see them, book them and make their dreams come true. 07:26.795 --> 07:33.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you say there's like a quality that someone brings into a Gatelli audition room that stands out? 07:34.909 --> 07:38.111 [SPEAKER_02]: really it's it's being people who like are themselves. 07:38.971 --> 07:49.096 [SPEAKER_02]: It sounds so easy, but you'd be surprised and some people come in and they think they try to put on what they think I may want to see or I'm sure other director of choreography. 07:49.376 --> 07:53.458 [SPEAKER_02]: But I really do and that's why I love the show so much because they feel like 07:54.318 --> 07:59.684 [SPEAKER_02]: that show more than maybe any I've done, like that ensemble is they are themselves. 07:59.704 --> 08:11.336 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they are like, like emotionally physically, like as people, they're just they're, they are themselves and we specifically hired each of them because of that. 08:11.496 --> 08:15.139 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they're, it's celebrating them as themselves. 08:15.780 --> 08:27.150 [SPEAKER_01]: which is probably why I'm so obsessed with two-time podcast gay, Mikey Griceffa, because he's got like such crazy talent, but then he's so himself. 08:27.270 --> 08:29.973 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm sure you saw the Broadway Bears clips recently. 08:30.013 --> 08:32.415 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like, that man is a star. 08:33.015 --> 08:33.636 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a star. 08:33.796 --> 08:37.499 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and that's the thing I did the share show with him first. 08:37.739 --> 08:39.161 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's how I got to know him. 08:39.601 --> 08:40.222 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the thing 08:41.963 --> 08:49.565 [SPEAKER_02]: a huge component of this, which I can't necessarily tell in the room, but I have good feelers in terms of, like, who's also good people. 08:49.705 --> 08:50.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 08:50.145 --> 08:50.986 [SPEAKER_02]: That's massive. 08:51.166 --> 08:52.646 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I, that's just massive. 08:53.026 --> 08:55.487 [SPEAKER_02]: But you could tell Mike, he's just the best guy. 08:55.647 --> 09:01.148 [SPEAKER_02]: So, and that's the thing, once I get to meet someone and know them, like the second I worked with the music, oh, he's in the 09:03.649 --> 09:25.283 [SPEAKER_02]: death becomes or came up and I mean I we still joke about this but he was like late was final call back he forgot his shoot like something something something was happening he was having a day but um but it's like but it's Mikey so I'm like direments high enough great you know because it's just he's the person you want to room he's that he's he's just special they're all special but that's the thing it's like collecting a bunch of 09:26.023 --> 09:26.403 [SPEAKER_02]: gems. 09:26.844 --> 09:33.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think that's why that's why death becomes where I think work the way that it did because you can tell everybody was so special. 09:33.390 --> 09:39.997 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can't even say too much about Megan Hilton, Jennifer Samarke, because there was like such magic. 09:40.017 --> 09:42.999 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably why it inspired such an insane fan base. 09:43.300 --> 09:49.486 [SPEAKER_01]: I am someone who grounds myself as a fan that won't stalk people, but I think 09:49.966 --> 09:58.350 [SPEAKER_01]: part of the reason why crazy fandoms occur is because they can feel the magic and then they can't help but let it unleash some insane part of them. 09:59.570 --> 10:04.172 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't let you get past the share show with just a reference. 10:04.412 --> 10:10.775 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not joking with you Christopher Gatelli that show ranks in my top five favorite shows that ever saw in Broadway. 10:12.196 --> 10:15.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's partly because it was a show that 10:19.719 --> 10:23.021 [SPEAKER_01]: Three different shares playing shared different parts of her life. 10:23.281 --> 10:24.842 [SPEAKER_01]: They interact with each other. 10:25.242 --> 10:40.311 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a Bob Mackey costume parade throughout one number where you see every got damn gorgeous fit Did you also happen to go to the theater and see it on an edible or was it just me? 10:42.953 --> 10:45.314 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm telling you one of my favorite memories. 10:45.454 --> 10:46.495 [SPEAKER_01]: That show has to be revived. 10:46.515 --> 10:46.995 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think it will? 10:47.996 --> 10:48.436 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so. 10:48.657 --> 10:49.837 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope so in time. 10:49.877 --> 10:51.819 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it may be too soon, but I definitely. 10:51.859 --> 10:55.441 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's why the Bob Mackey fashion number alone. 10:55.781 --> 11:01.926 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, officially, like if that doesn't, that makes you get that will make you gay if there's any question. 11:02.326 --> 11:06.709 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're maybe think it just if you're on the fence, yeah, truly watch that. 11:08.390 --> 11:11.954 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I even wrote down it reignited my homosexuality that show. 11:12.335 --> 11:27.573 [SPEAKER_01]: I, there's, you put some much gainus into your shows, but I think it's sort of inherent in musical theater, but even like working on newsies, I know that that show is like very much about what like masculinity and there was the way that you choreographed to have those dancers. 11:29.095 --> 11:38.930 [SPEAKER_01]: be so athletic, but also every gay guy going to that show could not help, but fantasize about every single tweet in the ensemble or tongue. 11:39.511 --> 11:42.495 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it hard to work around all those gay guys' sexual attention with each other? 11:43.721 --> 12:00.456 [SPEAKER_02]: it wasn't it's a break it up guys break it up we're we're trying to work here now getting they were good I mean I'm not kidding actually but but no it was it was a great really great and that's why for all of them That's why it's like one of those things in that time of their lives when they were each finding who they were 12:01.883 --> 12:11.106 [SPEAKER_02]: either if they knew or they didn't know and what stage like it was really special to watch them kind of bond as brothers and have all these moments with each other. 12:11.146 --> 12:12.886 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really it was a special one. 12:13.506 --> 12:17.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I feel like it was also the beginning of so many big performers careers. 12:17.968 --> 12:21.669 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm pretty sure I saw Jeremy Jordan when he 12:22.449 --> 12:34.244 [SPEAKER_01]: was an understudy in the West Side story revival and thought he was of course a star an amazing and then I No joke listen to Santa Fe all of two days ago and just hearing him scream belt that song. 12:34.344 --> 12:36.026 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like magic 12:36.783 --> 13:04.670 [SPEAKER_02]: they all are stars now like that's what's so there's a there's a photo in my place that um it's it's parra who's also star surrounded by the the boys in king of New York and i was i was like every one of them you just go around it's like they're all just they exploded they all just exploded and as they should have but it's just it's so nice to look back on it now and and they had no i was like i knew but i was like they have no idea what's what's going to happen to them if you 13:06.950 --> 13:28.508 [SPEAKER_01]: you have you have experienced that so many times I can imagine think about the show 13 first of all choreographing that we got a shout out friend of the podcast Robert Horn who is one of the writers love him dearly but it's also Ariana Grande's professional debut I heard that she made Liam Michelle look like mother Teresa Zetru 13:33.999 --> 13:35.060 [SPEAKER_02]: What can I say? 13:35.420 --> 13:42.123 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, that whole again, it's like working with these, it's even like they were really all coming into their own. 13:42.243 --> 13:43.124 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they were true. 13:43.164 --> 13:49.667 [SPEAKER_02]: They were all children children and like the little romances and the little it was. 13:50.702 --> 14:13.763 [SPEAKER_02]: it was yeah we had to actually we had to we had to put what would you it's like one how you uh... hangs shoes like a shoe a door shoe holder just now we had to make one for their cell phones that when they would come in the room their names were labeled and it was like put them away they were just like you could tell they were like flirting with each other oh yeah in the room like that we were like okay 14:14.223 --> 14:15.764 [SPEAKER_02]: But we're like we're not gonna get anything done. 14:16.044 --> 14:33.736 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had this like shoe tree that they would just put their cell phones in when they came in Which is nightmare name names, but like looking in their cubbies and seeing like Victoria secret bags, and it's a Which by the way, and I'm just coming back from Victoria secret 14:34.916 --> 14:37.537 [SPEAKER_01]: What an incredible piece of 13 lore. 14:38.057 --> 14:43.078 [SPEAKER_01]: I also can only imagine how much worse it would have been now if it was happening now. 14:43.198 --> 14:45.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Because that was what you're what year was that? 14:45.598 --> 14:47.818 [SPEAKER_01]: God, like 2008, nine. 14:47.858 --> 14:48.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 14:48.378 --> 14:52.839 [SPEAKER_01]: So like, think about the cell phone usage now compared to that. 14:52.859 --> 14:57.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I shutter to think what teenagers and I would be doing backstage at a Broadway theater. 14:58.520 --> 15:02.521 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, especially with Instagram and stuff like that, there wasn't any of that. 15:03.301 --> 15:24.049 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I mean, yeah, no, yeah, I'm kind of I'm very thankful that I did not go to high school in the era of now Facebook had just started when I was in high school and that was already fellow world war three, but to deal with it as like a closet teenager and just I think we're very lucky that we were born when we were in many ways. 15:24.089 --> 15:26.150 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure. 15:26.522 --> 15:35.711 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was funny is that when I was a kid too, I, you know, SpongeBob was becoming bigger, especially my younger brother, it was like huge. 15:35.771 --> 15:42.979 [SPEAKER_01]: But I remember hearing about the SpongeBob musical and like many of us was like, what the hell could this even be? 15:44.073 --> 15:50.622 [SPEAKER_01]: And I actually don't know if I've told you this, but my first friend I made in college was a want miss Stephanie Xu. 15:51.283 --> 15:55.848 [SPEAKER_01]: And she had been telling me and I've been hearing the for years she was doing the workshops. 15:56.049 --> 15:57.010 [SPEAKER_01]: I kept being like, what? 15:57.130 --> 15:57.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Tina Landau. 15:58.031 --> 16:00.274 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so the more I heard about the more I was like, well, this 16:01.175 --> 16:01.915 [SPEAKER_01]: has to be good. 16:02.296 --> 16:07.438 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course I saw it and truly was beyond obsessed. 16:07.758 --> 16:22.645 [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite memories is Stephanie took me and my husband who was like a Judy Garland obsessive and because of the palace she took us to the secret Judy Garland door and it's another one of my favorite memories but 16:23.286 --> 16:31.648 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what was it like working on a show that people kind of eye rolled at first when I heard that Spongebob was getting a musical and then it sort of like, transcendent people's expectations. 16:32.455 --> 16:34.435 [SPEAKER_02]: It was amazing, well, because I was one of those people. 16:34.455 --> 16:37.336 [SPEAKER_02]: Like when they called about it, I was like, really? 16:37.356 --> 16:40.237 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm not sure if this is the one. 16:40.257 --> 16:48.458 [SPEAKER_02]: But then it was like Tina and then it was Tom Kitt and then it's all these artists and I was like, well, it's either gonna be big and bold and wrong or big and bold and great. 16:48.618 --> 16:53.279 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, in Tina's hands, it was just, it was so, it kids wanted my favorite job. 16:53.299 --> 16:54.680 [SPEAKER_02]: We were just talking about the other night. 16:54.740 --> 16:55.800 [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of my favorite, 16:56.620 --> 16:57.320 [SPEAKER_02]: experiences. 16:57.360 --> 17:11.125 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the way, first of all, what Tina did with all of that and David's in and just the world was just incredible, but also like the way Tina pushed me in ways like every number was so different and. 17:12.405 --> 17:14.226 [SPEAKER_02]: like things I would have never came up with. 17:14.266 --> 17:18.447 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, oh yeah, we're doing this number with going with dark sponges and I was just going to bring that up. 17:18.827 --> 17:24.189 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I was like, I don't how do I sustain a number for three plus minutes with Spongebob. 17:24.489 --> 17:27.770 [SPEAKER_02]: But like, it just, she really pushed my creative 17:28.710 --> 17:42.230 [SPEAKER_02]: Jesus is so hard and in the best way and like so she got things out of me that I didn't even know Were there and I think that that could be said for all of it and the performers and everything It's just it was a really special one really I 17:44.412 --> 17:47.593 [SPEAKER_01]: will still listen to that cash recording. 17:47.713 --> 17:50.654 [SPEAKER_01]: I will still watch that glowing sponge performance. 17:50.834 --> 17:54.035 [SPEAKER_01]: I will also for a second shout out someone who's become a deer friend. 17:54.195 --> 17:58.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Since I saw that, which is Jason Michael Snow, who's also done on this podcast. 17:59.557 --> 18:02.198 [SPEAKER_01]: And let me just make a clear the record. 18:02.218 --> 18:10.460 [SPEAKER_01]: When I talk about Broadway and this podcast, which of course is a lot, I a lot of times shade how difficult the industry is partly because of my own like experiences with it. 18:10.500 --> 18:11.561 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that when you see 18:13.161 --> 18:19.806 [SPEAKER_01]: SpongeBob or something like, I mean, of course, stuff that comes here, of course, alter-boys, newsies. 18:20.146 --> 18:30.913 [SPEAKER_01]: So many of your shows can be so different, but the reason why we keep coming back and being fans is because shows that can completely change your expectation or how you feel about yourself. 18:31.073 --> 18:31.993 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes it all worth it. 18:32.374 --> 18:38.077 [SPEAKER_01]: My biggest dream is to like, make my LA money and then come back to do a Broadway show. 18:38.238 --> 18:41.980 [SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm lucky, it'll be a Christopher Catelli production, so I just want to manifest that right now. 18:42.180 --> 18:43.441 [SPEAKER_01]: Please, let's do it. 18:44.202 --> 18:45.563 [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, manifesting. 18:46.403 --> 18:50.166 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into some more Broadway lore, especially with upcoming stuff. 18:50.607 --> 19:05.979 [SPEAKER_01]: You have just been announced as the choreographer of Sound of Music at Lincoln Center, which is incredible, not only because of the director, when I say, Lear DeBessenei, is that correct pronunciation? 19:07.060 --> 19:07.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, shout out. 19:07.661 --> 19:08.762 [SPEAKER_01]: So amazing director. 19:09.283 --> 19:17.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, someone who has become one of the biggest stars of our time, Jasmine Amy Rogers has been announced. 19:17.713 --> 19:21.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, as someone who likes the behind the scenes, did Jasmine audition for that show? 19:22.239 --> 19:22.519 [SPEAKER_01]: She did. 19:23.761 --> 19:23.921 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 19:24.952 --> 19:27.434 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like the search, it was the search from Maria here. 19:27.494 --> 19:32.097 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really, I was, we were in deep in, just making it do in land. 19:32.137 --> 19:37.620 [SPEAKER_02]: So I wasn't at them personally, but I, you know, I have all the videos and all of the, they take everything. 19:37.660 --> 19:41.043 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was really, really, really exciting to watch. 19:41.763 --> 19:46.086 [SPEAKER_01]: Would we be, don't tell me who, but would we be gagged to hear all the people that went and for it? 19:46.987 --> 19:47.547 [SPEAKER_01]: I think so, yeah. 19:48.642 --> 19:50.864 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a coveted, it's one of those coveted roles. 19:50.924 --> 20:16.465 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it hasn't been done for, I think so and so and so and 30 years and it's like the role in the musical of like, it's just, it's massive and so it was, yeah, so like, so some amazing people went in and like, even the estate was like, we've, this is just, maybe I should say this thing, I, whatever, I'm very transparent, but even the estate was like, 20:19.337 --> 20:44.417 [SPEAKER_01]: like person performance performance take on it and yeah so everyone's excited oh I can't fucking wait I can't wait well one of the people who made this podcast pop off is Laura Bernante and we always shout her out any chance I'll get you know people online are sort of fantasizing that she'll be cast as a mother of us I want her as Elsa 20:46.029 --> 20:46.750 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God. 20:46.810 --> 20:48.711 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I mean, come on. 20:49.332 --> 20:50.213 [SPEAKER_02]: We need to see that again. 20:50.853 --> 20:51.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, we need to see that again. 20:51.994 --> 20:54.096 [SPEAKER_01]: We also just need to see Laura Bernanty back on Broadway. 20:54.116 --> 21:03.684 [SPEAKER_01]: We, you know, when I interviewed her, I was telling her like how obviously brilliant she is, but also how perfect she would be to host something like the Tony Awards. 21:03.785 --> 21:05.586 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was saying how she's not famous enough. 21:05.626 --> 21:07.828 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just like I like bristle up that bristle. 21:07.888 --> 21:09.149 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like she is and 21:11.571 --> 21:16.598 [SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't matter, but I think just really the moral of the story is that Laura Bernante deserves the world. 21:17.118 --> 21:25.389 [SPEAKER_02]: The world and what I love that she has this her one woman show and I know that it's like continuing to happen and go and I'm so happy for her I just and that's why she's 21:26.310 --> 21:27.691 [SPEAKER_02]: an amazing, again, same thing. 21:27.711 --> 21:30.432 [SPEAKER_02]: Like an amazing person that equally matches the talent. 21:30.512 --> 21:34.934 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she's just, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, that girl. 21:34.954 --> 21:38.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the director, Leard Abestine has, um, directed so many great productions. 21:39.536 --> 21:52.481 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm seeing a lot of shade on Twitter because that's what Twitter was built for, but some shade about, uh, Leard sometimes does not feature a big set, but people are hoping for a big set with this sound of music. 21:52.521 --> 21:53.942 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you think this revival is going to 21:55.058 --> 22:15.692 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, I think it will, I think, well, I think, you know, to give credit, I mean, I think, you know, just working at City Center a lot and working where she has, it's like, you, I really respect all the work she's done in that, these things, you get like, what, a week to put them up to weeks to put them up. 22:15.772 --> 22:16.312 [SPEAKER_02]: So right. 22:16.492 --> 22:17.753 [SPEAKER_02]: And you have two days to take it. 22:17.813 --> 22:23.957 [SPEAKER_02]: So I respect and I, I also love that she focuses on the story, and it's on 22:25.038 --> 22:49.687 [SPEAKER_02]: be a big woman because she couldn't practically but also like she has shown many times that the work speaks for itself and even with ragtime I think it's a perfect show and like yeah you could have had industrial who knows what but it's right love that it was kind of spare and and it's like it just the story and the performances should be enough and it really was there for sure. 22:50.392 --> 22:58.437 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a testament to why so many people were affected by Iraq time the way that they were is because of of course her direction also the performers the storytelling. 22:58.898 --> 23:12.446 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think it's we are in an interesting era of Broadway where we're getting shows like that that are either a pair down or we're getting the death becomes hers is is which are giving us those return to those sets and you know I 23:13.707 --> 23:30.180 [SPEAKER_01]: have people often we can go into New York which I see and when my parents are visiting I said number one was death becomes her because it like hit all of the boxes and there was something about seeing that set with the talent, with the music that was just like so delicious. 23:30.761 --> 23:31.161 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 23:31.381 --> 23:53.943 [SPEAKER_02]: And that was, you know, and to be honest, that was, that was the producers fully just that was my directive was we want to give people their money's worth with like when they take it's expensive now and that's it's just the truth and they were like we want to give people their money's worth so we're going to go big no matter what it not cost us but mean and we're closing because it's hard to sustain that kind of but you know, but we did it and we're all proud of it and 23:54.343 --> 24:02.771 [SPEAKER_02]: because they were like, we want to give people that throw back to like, opulence, sexy, you know, like, let's, we want them to see the value on stage. 24:02.851 --> 24:14.923 [SPEAKER_02]: And so everything, like, I barely got to know, I mean, they did, but I mean, but it was like, no, if we see value in it, and it's going to enhance the production and make people go, oh, my God, then we'll probably do it, even down to the disco violin at the end. 24:14.963 --> 24:16.485 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I'm never going to get this. 24:17.225 --> 24:22.187 [SPEAKER_02]: And they were like, and I saw the price tag and I was like, nope, and they were like, oh, no, you're going to get it. 24:22.327 --> 24:23.327 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's amazing. 24:23.347 --> 24:25.788 [SPEAKER_02]: And people down, it turns on and people cheer. 24:25.828 --> 24:29.150 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, you know, and I love that they went for it in that way. 24:29.190 --> 24:33.611 [SPEAKER_02]: I can really proud of the show and that they just committed to like, we're doing it. 24:34.031 --> 24:34.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 24:34.192 --> 24:39.313 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, and if only for the fact that Beyonce was going to be seeing that production, you have to turn it out. 24:39.794 --> 24:40.074 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 24:41.294 --> 25:02.571 [SPEAKER_01]: that the fleet of my cash with the people we met it was just insane well that's that's also I think the beauty of Broadway right now is that you know there's all there's like the archetype of like the feeder nerds in high score they get the bottom of the food chain but then you see all the people doing omery and going to see omery and going to see it becomes her and it's just like no no no Broadway is clearly yeah 25:03.972 --> 25:07.435 [SPEAKER_01]: still a huge part of pop culture and the zeitgeist. 25:08.496 --> 25:09.196 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you deal with that? 25:09.216 --> 25:15.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, let's say death becomes a closing, or even like going back to SpongeBob, which I thought deserved a longer run. 25:16.002 --> 25:22.367 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you, as a creative, deal with disappointment in that way and keep it trucking along? 25:23.836 --> 25:28.082 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, it's really, it's, it's kind of going in with that, it's bacteria. 25:28.122 --> 25:32.207 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like everything most, most bleak, you know, closes over time. 25:32.227 --> 25:39.877 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think, you know, like, with that becomes our, for example, it was that it was like, okay, we're going to have a highly, highly, highly cost and hopefully we'll be able to do it. 25:39.937 --> 25:40.878 [SPEAKER_02]: But if not, 25:41.699 --> 25:49.423 [SPEAKER_02]: at least we're going to put something out there that hopefully will make a mark and that will like make people laugh and have joy for as long as we did and like that's the takeaway. 25:49.483 --> 25:52.964 [SPEAKER_02]: So you know and it will live on hopefully forever. 25:53.485 --> 26:07.451 [SPEAKER_02]: But that didn't even like a sponge bob like we knew going in that they were going to renovate that theater and to I mean just to but Laura I personally is my opinion but I think they put sponge bob in there because they like everyone else probably 26:08.612 --> 26:09.432 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it wasn't going to work. 26:09.492 --> 26:09.692 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. 26:09.912 --> 26:10.552 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll put it in. 26:10.912 --> 26:14.273 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll keep it in here until we have to move the building up and then we'll take it down. 26:14.653 --> 26:24.995 [SPEAKER_02]: But then like, oh, he just got all this momentum and so like we were like selling like hot cakes even when we had to close, but we had to close because of the theater moving. 26:25.055 --> 26:32.257 [SPEAKER_02]: So it was too expensive, which I also understand to like try to undo it and put it in another theater and move it. 26:32.277 --> 26:32.577 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 26:32.777 --> 26:37.078 [SPEAKER_02]: But again, you just go in and go like, but at least we did it and it happened and it 26:38.758 --> 26:40.319 [SPEAKER_02]: so it's all good. 26:41.560 --> 26:41.921 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it is. 26:42.221 --> 26:49.026 [SPEAKER_01]: I think what you're describing to is, and you can correct me from wrong, but there's like a healthy, jaded mess. 26:49.246 --> 26:53.349 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I mean by that is there's a sort of like 27:02.075 --> 27:17.391 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in like an interesting part of my creative life where I'm finally starting to see some momentum in ways I haven't for a long time, but instead of feeling like constantly you fork, I'm actually like pretty healthily jaded most of the time where I'm just like, you know, like, this is good and. 27:18.092 --> 27:18.993 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't change why I am. 27:19.013 --> 27:20.214 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't change my value. 27:20.414 --> 27:21.394 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the can't be forever. 27:21.414 --> 27:22.755 [SPEAKER_01]: This also might not work out. 27:22.795 --> 27:35.664 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's this weird balance of feeling okay with the fact that things could end to tomorrow, but there has to be on the next day where you still have to pick yourself up by your gay ass bootstraps. 27:36.425 --> 27:38.867 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and also, you know, I think, but I think it's it's 27:40.415 --> 28:04.634 [SPEAKER_02]: when I because newsies had the same thing and like the all the all the shows at Lincoln Center it's like they're never gonna run forever so like you know there's gonna be a date and like newsies was the same thing like we were we were like 96% but but Disney has like this like we don't want more than three shows running at once kind of rule so Aladdin was coming under something but Frozen I forget there was something else that was coming in and I know it's what 28:08.677 --> 28:10.398 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was like, someone was going to get bumped. 28:10.819 --> 28:14.841 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was, it was newsies because it never was intended to do that. 28:14.881 --> 28:18.124 [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, but I think, and again, just look at it and go, okay, but I get it. 28:18.164 --> 28:18.924 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the reality. 28:18.984 --> 28:23.427 [SPEAKER_02]: And so my whole rule down, too, is like, I just want to have good time doing it. 28:23.848 --> 28:28.371 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, no matter what the outcome is, like, this should be doing was the first thing I said, like, I'm so proud of the show. 28:28.791 --> 28:29.872 [SPEAKER_02]: We had the best time doing it. 28:29.892 --> 28:30.973 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the best cast. 28:31.613 --> 28:34.355 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, we could get the worst reviews. 28:34.395 --> 28:35.856 [SPEAKER_02]: We could close tomorrow, but like, 28:38.518 --> 28:40.799 [SPEAKER_02]: And now I've learned that that's all that really matters. 28:40.939 --> 28:44.862 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I'm putting obviously doing good work and putting that out there for people to enjoy. 28:44.922 --> 28:50.905 [SPEAKER_02]: But like I just want to enjoy the process is now and be with good people like the Microsoft world. 28:50.945 --> 28:59.130 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually, that inspires me to ask another question about the process of a show that has not gotten too much conversation recently. 28:59.250 --> 29:04.133 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it was up, it made a lot of big splashes, which is women on the verge of a nervous breakdown. 29:06.247 --> 29:13.189 [SPEAKER_01]: So starring, Sherry Renee Scott, Petalupone, Bryan Stokes Mitchell, Laura Bernanty, and many more. 29:14.550 --> 29:21.772 [SPEAKER_01]: Directed by Bartlett Sherry, give me a snapshot of the rehearsal room for a show with that money icons in one room. 29:21.912 --> 29:22.452 [SPEAKER_01]: What do they feel like? 29:23.183 --> 29:23.764 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god. 29:23.844 --> 29:33.474 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's just, it was, to be, like, honest, it was just chaotic to be, to be, to be honest and it because it wasn't about ego or anything like that. 29:33.494 --> 29:42.042 [SPEAKER_02]: I just remember at the time, for some reason, we only have like three weeks of rehearsal to put it together, which is, 29:42.923 --> 29:49.507 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I mean, now it's that's becoming the norm, but back then it was only like four and a half weeks, you know, and then a lot of tech and it was a very tech heavy show. 29:49.947 --> 29:54.710 [SPEAKER_02]: But for some reason it was really condensed for an original musical that never went out of town. 29:55.250 --> 30:04.515 [SPEAKER_02]: So it felt like most of us were just scrambling trying to find our footing in terms of like how do we make this work with a cast that like you don't even get it a benefit. 30:04.555 --> 30:06.656 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, like this cast was 30:10.871 --> 30:32.338 [SPEAKER_02]: you know singularly we're amazing like patty numbers we're amazing Laura's number stopped the show every night like she was genius like they everyone was amazing but we just it didn't time like we had the time to let it like bake and so it was just like we were I remember we didn't even have an opening of a closing number when we left the rehearsal room like the like yeah yeah it's back it hadn't even 30:33.198 --> 30:33.959 [SPEAKER_02]: wrote the closer. 30:34.239 --> 30:35.600 [SPEAKER_02]: We went to the tech without a closer. 30:36.300 --> 30:44.165 [SPEAKER_02]: I was doing a whole dream ballet that when Nika drinks the gaspacho that I was like during tech, we were taken the dancers and running to a studio. 30:44.185 --> 30:48.068 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like finished this, this like dream nightmare gaspacho. 30:48.928 --> 30:55.893 [SPEAKER_02]: laced, you know, like drug laced, you know, ballet and it like never even saw the light a day because we were in tech. 30:55.913 --> 30:58.675 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like we don't have time to light it like we just got to go. 30:58.815 --> 31:02.938 [SPEAKER_02]: And so it was it just felt like we couldn't get our footing for it. 31:03.178 --> 31:05.359 [SPEAKER_02]: And they do think there's that there's an amazing show in there. 31:05.420 --> 31:06.921 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so good. 31:07.121 --> 31:08.662 [SPEAKER_02]: We just didn't have time for it to bake. 31:09.182 --> 31:15.706 [SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, that much for her soul with that type of show is like, yes, they kind of set you up for a loss that I'd say. 31:16.186 --> 31:16.767 [SPEAKER_02]: It was tricky. 31:17.127 --> 31:31.355 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, but that you get those performances out of those performers and like, so at least that part was good, you know, like, yeah, I think the world is right currently because Sharon A. Scott is going back to Broadway in Rocky Horror and I count her of somebody who made me gay. 31:31.395 --> 31:34.177 [SPEAKER_01]: I would cry listening to the last five years in a high school. 31:34.997 --> 31:54.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, of course thinking about the wrestler I had a crush on, um, so our stories are similar Christopher, I think we both had, um, oh, do you have any, um, sometimes we ask about crushes here, it's quick detour, any, any Broadway crushes or pop culture crushes you had either as a young person or currently for, you feel comfortable telling me? 31:55.198 --> 31:56.299 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's so interesting. 31:56.700 --> 31:56.860 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, 31:58.893 --> 32:04.301 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sure I probably can't say now because, you know, it gets very tricky being in the position because then, oh, that's true. 32:04.321 --> 32:07.225 [SPEAKER_01]: You're kind of doing your, yeah, it's position. 32:07.265 --> 32:07.846 [SPEAKER_01]: It's power. 32:08.307 --> 32:08.567 [SPEAKER_02]: It is. 32:08.607 --> 32:15.116 [SPEAKER_02]: It's an interesting position to be in because it's like, I, I, I want to like play and do all that stuff, but it's sometimes it can get a little. 32:15.890 --> 32:20.051 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's you're you clearly are a respectable boundary man. 32:20.131 --> 32:23.492 [SPEAKER_01]: And I want to I promise that wasn't got to journalism there. 32:23.512 --> 32:41.616 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 32:45.957 --> 32:49.258 [SPEAKER_02]: the reachouts when when certain projects get out. 32:50.078 --> 32:53.599 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can only imagine that is very it's very interesting. 32:54.339 --> 33:06.962 [SPEAKER_01]: I have I have a comedy podcast on the internet and the DMs that I get are not so you are doing these giant productions of these giant shows I shutter to think what is in your inbox. 33:07.642 --> 33:16.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, oh, but that does, I mean, I'm sure when Cinderella was announced, you probably had, you know, every long girl with a BFA up your ass. 33:16.845 --> 33:21.046 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what's, what's the reason behind, um, bringing back Cinderella? 33:21.086 --> 33:23.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there, is giving us a new take? 33:23.107 --> 33:25.688 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it, what do we have to expect for this new tour? 33:26.521 --> 33:41.317 [SPEAKER_02]: They are, we're kind of going back, I mean, the last revival that they did, like Doug's card being took the book and did some fun things with it and it was great, but they're wanting to go back to like, 33:42.178 --> 33:43.299 [SPEAKER_02]: the Brandy Whitney version. 33:43.319 --> 33:46.082 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it's like the middle ground version where it's like, I know. 33:46.622 --> 33:47.283 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 33:47.303 --> 34:03.638 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like the, it's not the original original, but it's also not the update that they, they want to, they want to just take, take the middle, that I weak they're, they call it like the enchanted version, but the, like the middle ground version out for another, another spin, which I'm so excited about. 34:03.678 --> 34:04.619 [SPEAKER_02]: I love that score and 34:05.960 --> 34:07.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm really excited about it. 34:07.602 --> 34:11.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Anything where I was going to understand it is just a dream. 34:11.105 --> 34:14.568 [SPEAKER_02]: So this year is going to be like, just nonstop, aren't you? 34:14.588 --> 34:19.112 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, you've got a lot to look forward to because like, okay, let's kind of zoom out for a second. 34:19.252 --> 34:27.899 [SPEAKER_01]: You obviously should make a doing is now running, killing it, is the next project, is it the fantastics? 34:28.840 --> 34:29.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:29.621 --> 34:39.769 [SPEAKER_01]: So fantastic is going to be opening on Broadway this fall, which is it's Broadway debut after it ran for a billion years off Broadway, huge. 34:39.789 --> 34:43.051 [SPEAKER_01]: Then sound of music is the one right after that, is that correct? 34:43.071 --> 34:43.732 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 34:43.852 --> 34:44.993 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it's Cinderella. 34:45.333 --> 34:48.355 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, are you going to take are you taking any vacations? 34:48.395 --> 34:50.417 [SPEAKER_01]: We have anything to look forward to that way? 34:51.217 --> 34:52.178 [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually, I have to 34:57.584 --> 34:58.428 [SPEAKER_02]: online, but yeah. 34:58.870 --> 35:01.965 [SPEAKER_01]: Where does Christopher Gatelli vacation or you a p-tongue? 35:03.646 --> 35:06.007 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, all of her kind of as long as there's water. 35:06.247 --> 35:06.907 [SPEAKER_02]: I just love water. 35:07.287 --> 35:08.808 [SPEAKER_01]: Love, love, love. 35:09.148 --> 35:09.328 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:10.088 --> 35:12.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what is when you are letting loose? 35:13.049 --> 35:15.070 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you a cocktail queen? 35:15.210 --> 35:16.030 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you like me? 35:16.170 --> 35:18.050 [SPEAKER_01]: And you love a THC? 35:18.591 --> 35:19.531 [SPEAKER_01]: Is a cocktail for sure? 35:19.951 --> 35:20.371 [SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah. 35:20.571 --> 35:20.751 [SPEAKER_01]: What? 35:20.811 --> 35:23.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if I bother using these martini, sure, sure, sure. 35:24.392 --> 35:26.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, classy as hell. 35:26.553 --> 35:29.074 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, listen, we only have a few until I have a couple. 35:30.914 --> 35:32.676 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're just a messy gossip. 35:32.696 --> 35:34.598 [SPEAKER_01]: You're a big mess. 35:35.598 --> 35:41.723 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get into our final few questions, as somebody who loves a character actress, you have worked with many of them. 35:42.364 --> 35:47.668 [SPEAKER_01]: One very random one that I want to give a shout out to, you worked on Martin Short fame becomes me. 35:47.688 --> 35:51.411 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Martin Short is a character actress, if I may say. 35:52.832 --> 35:54.614 [SPEAKER_01]: But also, is it Capatia Jenkins? 35:55.515 --> 35:56.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God. 35:56.575 --> 35:56.736 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:57.336 --> 36:06.763 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you when I was in, I guess it was high school, whatever age I was and this is when I was like my obsession with Broadway was really, really reaching a fever pitch. 36:06.923 --> 36:16.711 [SPEAKER_01]: I would see the clips of her belting of Martin Short, hamming it up and I kind of like saw what I wanted in my future to be. 36:17.131 --> 36:19.233 [SPEAKER_01]: I just watched the Martin Short documentary, did you watch that? 36:19.913 --> 36:20.694 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't yet. 36:21.134 --> 36:36.585 [SPEAKER_01]: Highly recommend it, it's just like, I think what it speaks to is something that you have spoken to in this conversation, which is like Martin Shore is a part of a community of people who are like such geniuses, but also good people and good hangs coming together and creating amazing art. 36:37.306 --> 36:41.128 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's part of your legacy as well. 36:41.789 --> 36:42.389 [SPEAKER_01]: What is your memory of 36:46.332 --> 36:48.034 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just with laugh the whole time. 36:48.054 --> 36:53.558 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was him and and Brooks and Capatia and Mary Bird's song. 36:53.578 --> 36:57.301 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was just like the craziest like group Nicole Parker. 36:57.321 --> 36:58.502 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it was just five of them. 36:59.123 --> 37:02.746 [SPEAKER_02]: And they was, they were just trying to want up each other in the room the whole time. 37:02.786 --> 37:04.467 [SPEAKER_02]: Talk about trying to get something done. 37:04.487 --> 37:05.768 [SPEAKER_02]: He just couldn't. 37:05.808 --> 37:08.271 [SPEAKER_02]: They were just, it was, they were hilarious. 37:08.431 --> 37:09.992 [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, and he was great. 37:10.232 --> 37:11.914 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, it starts from the top down, but it was just, 37:12.494 --> 37:23.540 [SPEAKER_02]: nonstop, just nonstop laughing the whole time and just end to shout out just to give another shout out took a paithia if you I'm not sure if it's on YouTube but I first saw her in Civil War. 37:25.361 --> 37:28.622 [SPEAKER_02]: Did you know she thinks I think it's called candle in the window? 37:29.103 --> 37:32.865 [SPEAKER_02]: Nope, I don't know I try it on YouTube you will that was the first time I saw her and I lost my mind 37:33.663 --> 37:45.881 [SPEAKER_02]: Like how is who is this woman and how is she singing like this I mean she's a remark you have to find it and for I will I will we can't handle in the window, but it's it's her she has a show in that show and so the word it was just 37:47.278 --> 37:47.879 [SPEAKER_02]: like start. 37:48.439 --> 37:53.044 [SPEAKER_01]: Just in my browser right now, candle in the window. 37:53.124 --> 37:54.125 [SPEAKER_01]: Capatia Jenkins. 37:54.725 --> 37:58.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, no, that's actually great homework for all the guys listening. 37:58.689 --> 38:02.953 [SPEAKER_01]: There's, you know, something to be said about why so many gay guys do gay guy music video night. 38:03.754 --> 38:07.898 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because there's moments like this where it's like you have not seen Capatia Jenkins in Civil War. 38:07.958 --> 38:08.779 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like so new. 38:10.900 --> 38:13.441 [SPEAKER_02]: And then now it will be at sidetracks in Chicago forever. 38:13.641 --> 38:14.842 [SPEAKER_02]: It'll be at sidetracks in Chicago. 38:14.962 --> 38:17.443 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll be at Quad's and Palm Springs. 38:20.164 --> 38:22.185 [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be everywhere that matters. 38:22.605 --> 38:26.067 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I won't, I won't forgive myself if I don't ask about go back to share show. 38:26.127 --> 38:28.128 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you get to interact with share at all? 38:28.828 --> 38:29.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 38:29.992 --> 38:33.273 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, tell me and it's again, I mean, that's why it'll all be in the book. 38:33.313 --> 38:54.097 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but one of my favorite memories was she, you know, she came she didn't like spend a time with us, but she, you know, would come and be supportive and and great, but there was one, I think it was the tonight show where she, we had McHale and Jared do, I got you babe, and they started and halfway through the number, 38:59.303 --> 39:09.650 [SPEAKER_02]: literally, and just, and um, but she, she didn't know and to enter and all that, you know, she just, she's a pro, like she's, I get why she share. 39:09.870 --> 39:23.919 [SPEAKER_02]: Like she is, she just has everything has to be perfect and she, it's so well fought out and so smart and she's, you know, doesn't just a trick, but she wanted me backstage to queue her to when she was to go on and do it. 39:23.979 --> 39:27.862 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was standing there for the whole number at the first half holding shares hands. 39:28.822 --> 39:51.153 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm holding shirts and and she was like just squeeze my hand when she because she was like obviously going into like a place because I was like I can't imagine having to sing this song with someone who looks like you're like it just I can only imagine how like what that was for so she was like just squeeze my hand and I'll go like I just so I'm there literally in the wing holding shirts hand. 39:52.688 --> 39:53.048 [SPEAKER_02]: squeeze. 39:53.729 --> 39:56.951 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you hear her saying, it's like, what just happened to me? 39:58.192 --> 39:59.794 [SPEAKER_02]: What is my life right now? 39:59.914 --> 40:01.655 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just real. 40:02.216 --> 40:06.359 [SPEAKER_02]: I have my opening night jacket from that show. 40:06.399 --> 40:12.544 [SPEAKER_02]: I tried to do fun things for openings, but like, she signed my Tepsito jacket for their share show opening. 40:14.077 --> 40:30.806 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I mean, the one is when is your book coming out that is it's that is such a gay dream come true The gay the most gay dreams like Julia and Drew's kind of like my grand like my mom like I Wait, Julie you have a Julie Andrews lore. 40:31.927 --> 40:40.612 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I've done like three or four shows that Julia Jewels Jewels Jewels and I were at the cafe core line 40:42.691 --> 40:45.652 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but it is like she's like she signs things like mom. 40:45.792 --> 40:46.432 [SPEAKER_02]: Like love mom. 40:47.412 --> 41:07.238 [SPEAKER_02]: We did we did I we did a musical that her her daughter write children's books and they turned one into a musical but mapsical and so I did that with her like right after newsies I think and then we just became really close and like and I did my favorite lady with her and Australia and it just she's 41:08.238 --> 41:15.579 [SPEAKER_02]: talk about like some saying like it's really it's a very termed gay life I mean I all of them. 41:16.099 --> 41:19.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah do you think um what's your past life situation? 41:20.020 --> 41:24.581 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you think happened to make you get this current set of circumstances? 41:25.221 --> 41:28.581 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know but somehow like you know I get to dance with 41:37.968 --> 41:44.156 [SPEAKER_01]: not many left and I think I Channing Tatum was that was a hell Caesar. 41:44.977 --> 41:46.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. 41:46.619 --> 41:49.863 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the big gay number the big gay number in hell Caesar. 41:50.043 --> 41:54.689 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I feel like I'm sort of neglecting some of the film credits because we've been on some way. 41:54.709 --> 41:55.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so 41:55.930 --> 42:11.498 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there, well, okay, we like to manifest here in the podcast, and obviously you've had a lot of dreams in true, but what do you have any like manifestations that either people you would want to work with that you have in or like type of film or type of show, or is there anything that you want to manifest here? 42:12.239 --> 42:15.781 [SPEAKER_02]: I tell you I, I try not to because it's. 42:16.954 --> 42:26.718 [SPEAKER_02]: You just, like, they just happen and I just welcome, like, it just, I can't even explain it in a way that it, like, I've been, like, I go right now. 42:26.838 --> 42:27.678 [SPEAKER_02]: This is all gravy. 42:27.718 --> 42:32.060 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I really, I feel so grateful for the opportunities. 42:32.160 --> 42:36.522 [SPEAKER_02]: And again, the people that are in my life and I've gotten the chance to cross paths with. 42:36.562 --> 42:39.083 [SPEAKER_02]: And every, it's just, I'm just grateful. 42:39.103 --> 42:40.183 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is feels like gravy. 42:40.243 --> 42:42.925 [SPEAKER_02]: This is all just like, I still can't believe it is in my life. 42:44.245 --> 43:02.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what about if we, I know it's been gravy for a minute and we absolutely celebrate, but when we go back to when you were still in the hustle territory and not sure of your trajectory, were you ever at a moment thinking like maybe I should quit the biz? 43:05.071 --> 43:22.262 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm sure we all go through those those days like, well, I'm sure like there was an audition that I wanted that I didn't get or even as a cryer for there were there were projects that either I was on and was like, go from or I was I auditioned for because sometimes you have to audition still and put numbers together and show people you know that I didn't get and it just. 43:23.846 --> 43:39.048 [SPEAKER_02]: And the biggest thing I will always say to if I'm teaching like a workshop or a master class or something is like as long as you love it you just stick with it and just keep going because there's there will always be rejection it's just part of the numbers game of it all do you know like I always say like people come in. 43:39.949 --> 43:55.850 [SPEAKER_02]: We have two slots open, but 50 people come in for those two slots and I just go but it's a numbers game like clearly not everyone's going to get it and everyone has to be to me that you have to be okay with it, but that's like we're talking about like the jaded it's like you just don't know that that's part of the equation, but 43:57.086 --> 44:11.834 [SPEAKER_02]: Eventually I just feel like everyone has their moment like we're it's like opportunity needs practice and preparation and luck and it just hits when you it may not be today it may not be in a year may not but it like it does and it's meant to be when it does and so. 44:12.995 --> 44:13.135 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:13.736 --> 44:38.936 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also, if you allow yourself to be even in the room for the opportunity, whether it's the audition or whether it's like putting out a piece of work, like, you know, not to get too therapeutic, but my part of my struggle over these years has been allowing myself to even get to the starting line, because I think for a while, I feared that I did not have what it took to even be considered, even be either in the business or whatever it was. 44:42.879 --> 44:58.122 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a point of view, I have a boop boop boop boop boop and now I just want to like rinse and repeat putting my work out there until it lands and I think it's just the self-esteem alone is like something that you need to work on and then resilience after that. 44:58.856 --> 44:59.096 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 44:59.797 --> 45:07.823 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, but I also think the resilient, like, I don't know, again, being gay, like, and not growing up, like, not sure or maybe not be able to be out. 45:07.843 --> 45:17.871 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think going through that as just a person, you know, I think, and being resilient enough to eventually come out and like, live this life. 45:17.971 --> 45:21.494 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that we've all, like, having gone through that, 45:26.257 --> 45:30.121 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you eventually have to be yourself with these jobs. 45:30.141 --> 45:31.082 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to be yourself. 45:31.162 --> 45:34.626 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's a, it's a lesson that I take. 45:34.706 --> 45:37.308 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I share with each side of life. 45:37.348 --> 45:40.311 [SPEAKER_02]: Like me as a person in me as if a artist creator, et cetera. 45:40.331 --> 45:43.014 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess I think it's, it helps each other out. 45:43.334 --> 45:57.984 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think I used to resent that I carry so much baggage about having to be a closet case from Missouri, and now I do think it's probably what is making me like super either whether it's like the skin or whatever it is, like I think it's, you know, it's the same like it's like when you 46:11.398 --> 46:22.996 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but also that there was millions of like, you know, being, I don't know if you, but I was teased and, you know, bullied and all that kind of stuff because I was dancing and tights on TV, but you know, but it also, but it kind of just was like, 46:24.558 --> 46:29.942 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get you and you're going to see because you can make fun of me now, but you won't be laughing later. 46:30.482 --> 46:41.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, and it's funny because then now they reach out and they're supportive, but it did, it did kind of fuel that though, you know, in terms of like, it's okay. 46:44.351 --> 47:05.037 [SPEAKER_01]: such an inspiration Chris over Gatelli and I only have a couple of minutes left so I'm going to get us into our final stage of this chat which is by asking you a question that I know you find difficult but every single guest so we can help each other through it and that question is if the world was ending and you could only save one character act 47:09.118 --> 47:11.499 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though just everyone that you said so though. 47:12.360 --> 47:24.705 [SPEAKER_02]: I would I would ask back Who doesn't mind being called a character actress great great question because if I say a name Person sees this and they're like you think I'm a character actress. 47:24.905 --> 47:32.448 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all I need But you have a you have a very interesting perspective on that because so many of the gay guys to come on here just like whatever 47:33.488 --> 47:34.669 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, larlinny. 47:34.829 --> 47:41.174 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you're the gay guy that has to walk into the rehearsal room with probably the majority of these actors. 47:42.475 --> 47:47.059 [SPEAKER_01]: So listen girl, that is your fish to fry and I wish you the best of luck. 47:47.319 --> 47:54.304 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, a separate conversation maybe off Mike or for the squeak wool will be who would be the most pissed to hear you call them character actress. 47:54.324 --> 47:56.526 [SPEAKER_01]: But we'll wait for that. 47:58.267 --> 47:58.947 [SPEAKER_01]: for now. 47:58.967 --> 47:59.988 [SPEAKER_01]: Let me marinate on that. 48:02.428 --> 48:10.611 [SPEAKER_02]: I can probably do 10 off of my head, but that's really good one. 48:10.671 --> 48:11.632 [SPEAKER_01]: So do you want to give hello? 48:11.652 --> 48:15.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to give one that you want to save or are you going to respectfully decline? 48:16.138 --> 48:29.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's why I'll respectfully declare what I would I would take them and put them on an island because they're all so, you know, even for the fantastic right now, like trying to find the two mothers like, oh my god, yeah, of character women. 48:29.533 --> 48:32.637 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like I'm literally going to talk about this in a few hours. 48:34.262 --> 48:52.177 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so who it's that, like, that's actually such a great peak behind the curtain, especially because you're, yeah, just your perspective of like have like you are a part of the hiring of the character actresses that is why you see all of the character actresses on a list together and you're like, 48:53.354 --> 48:58.217 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, you have to pick one, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's hard. 48:58.657 --> 49:00.318 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's also, let's call this beta speed. 49:00.338 --> 49:12.905 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why the business is so brutal is because think about how many different directions that production could go in such a fantastic ways, part of the word, useful, like, but like it's just a matter of like committing to one. 49:13.765 --> 49:28.132 [SPEAKER_02]: that's it literally that and that's why and you see that everyone that's why love I love this part of it like and everyone's so unique and different like you how can you put I almost say the names but like this person that's the person and the same category but yet 49:28.772 --> 49:29.972 [SPEAKER_02]: They're all kind of right. 49:30.172 --> 49:31.553 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's fascinating. 49:31.573 --> 49:32.713 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really fascinating. 49:32.753 --> 49:41.595 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, the brings of somebody that always has really funny, either tweets or posts about the business and who is a character actor, sorry, door, it's Jackie Hoffman. 49:41.715 --> 49:44.776 [SPEAKER_01]: She always has such a funny way of talking about the business. 49:44.876 --> 49:54.818 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you were talking about sort of all the different faces you have to see, I just went to, when I got to see Zana do on Broadway and thinking about Jackie Hoffman and Mary Testa, 49:55.058 --> 50:03.245 [SPEAKER_01]: I could totally imagine the pairings and the people who came in for even just those character roles. 50:04.666 --> 50:09.510 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like a too many good things in one room. 50:09.530 --> 50:10.831 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's a hard decision. 50:12.447 --> 50:13.007 [SPEAKER_02]: in the best way. 50:13.047 --> 50:14.048 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what's in it. 50:14.188 --> 50:19.772 [SPEAKER_02]: It's inspiring to see like just there's so much talent out there. 50:19.912 --> 50:21.853 [SPEAKER_02]: There's just so so many talented people. 50:21.953 --> 50:22.814 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so inspiring. 50:23.314 --> 50:24.435 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it just is. 50:24.976 --> 50:25.736 [SPEAKER_01]: It's inspiring. 50:25.756 --> 50:28.218 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's also annoying as hell. 50:28.318 --> 50:30.900 [SPEAKER_01]: How many talented and hot people that are in this world? 50:30.960 --> 50:34.182 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, how do we enjoy them all? 50:34.242 --> 50:38.725 [SPEAKER_01]: But somehow we prevail in persevere and crystalically. 50:39.245 --> 50:48.374 [SPEAKER_01]: You have been someone has been on my wish list for this podcast and when you said yes, I cannot tell you how thrilled it made me and this has been beyond a dream. 50:48.454 --> 50:54.579 [SPEAKER_01]: You are an incredible chat and I do think that this is the beginning of our story and that there's going to be a day where we're over 51:04.737 --> 51:08.439 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and I'm like I said, I've been a fan forever, so I'm just so happy you asked. 51:08.920 --> 51:19.566 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, pinch me, can you please tell these listeners anything you would like them to know before we sign off whether is plugging a show or following you or anything you would like to let them know. 51:20.415 --> 51:35.603 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, so you could tell it on Instagram and all that good stuff and yeah, but just that like I'm I'm always just grateful of this report like people coming to see the shows and of course like come come see me to do and if death becomes her near you go see it that cast is going to be great. 51:35.724 --> 51:45.729 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be virtually the same show in the best way like you'll get all the good stuff and yeah, and then the fantastic I think is going to be really special having it be two boys. 51:45.949 --> 51:46.730 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited. 51:46.750 --> 51:47.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god. 51:47.770 --> 51:54.333 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot wait to see it, and everybody, I have linked Christopher Gatelli stuff in the description. 51:54.453 --> 52:12.479 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll put, of course, take it info for all the shows that we have mentioned, and I think we are all going to come back to reconvene to talk about candle in the window, sung by Capita Jenkins, and yeah, this has been a great chat, so thank you to you, Christopher, thank you to the listeners, and everybody stay gay. 52:18.720 --> 52:20.766 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a gay ass name for a gay ass podcast.