WEBVTT 00:01.877 --> 00:09.263 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the intentional fatherhood podcast, where we explore what it means to live on purpose as a father and how legacy starts at home. 00:09.924 --> 00:12.245 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Justin Wittmore Early, and I'm Brooke Moser. 00:12.566 --> 00:16.629 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be your hosts and we desire to bring biblical hope and practical hope. 00:17.169 --> 00:17.990 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for listening. 00:20.492 --> 00:29.780 [SPEAKER_00]: Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, 00:30.612 --> 00:32.412 [SPEAKER_00]: But we hold on, I don't know what I'm calling. 00:32.452 --> 00:33.273 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know the difference. 00:33.293 --> 00:33.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Just head to tails. 00:34.213 --> 00:41.995 [SPEAKER_01]: A heads, tails, welcome back to season three of the intentional fatherhood podcast. 00:42.795 --> 00:45.995 [SPEAKER_01]: I am just barely introducing here because I won the coin toss. 00:46.055 --> 00:48.656 [SPEAKER_01]: This is my main man, Brooke Moser, Helium. 00:48.736 --> 00:53.217 [SPEAKER_01]: And we are coming with the last episode in this series. 00:53.277 --> 00:53.897 [SPEAKER_01]: I've enjoyed it. 00:53.957 --> 00:56.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Incredible season on work and vocation. 00:56.158 --> 00:56.858 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about, 00:57.558 --> 01:05.047 [SPEAKER_01]: legacy in your work today, legacy, culture shaping the memories path you pass on, and you're unfinished symphonies. 01:05.527 --> 01:09.872 [SPEAKER_01]: They all have to do with what you leave behind in your work before we get there. 01:10.453 --> 01:11.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell them what they should do. 01:13.260 --> 01:14.361 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you do lots of stuff. 01:14.581 --> 01:15.422 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's just start. 01:15.462 --> 01:17.223 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll just, let's keep it to the podcast. 01:17.423 --> 01:23.368 [SPEAKER_00]: What you can do with this podcast, specifically, would be to rate, subscribe, even leave a comment. 01:23.448 --> 01:24.629 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a great way to communicate. 01:25.210 --> 01:26.111 [SPEAKER_00]: And share it with friends. 01:26.311 --> 01:32.396 [SPEAKER_00]: We also encourage, we say this every week, but it's important to remind you, if you do listen to this solo, that's okay. 01:32.436 --> 01:38.921 [SPEAKER_00]: But also then talk to friends about it or get together with friends, process it together, doing this in community is a lot easier. 01:39.501 --> 01:48.147 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people say smash that like and subscribe button, but we make it spiritual because it's better for your Christian life. 01:48.207 --> 01:52.250 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this also is just a podcast about us sitting down and talking about Rando stuff. 01:52.690 --> 01:57.013 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is a formation of, you know, our hope is that this would be a formation of tool for your fatherhood. 01:57.073 --> 01:59.415 [SPEAKER_00]: So it isn't just a casual situation. 01:59.435 --> 02:06.579 [SPEAKER_00]: So this, even though you're receiving it to the medium that you might receive comedy, it's actually a deeper, hopefully different thing. 02:07.760 --> 02:27.711 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, please do that and then also if you have any questions, please send those you can email hello at intentional fatherhood our work and you can send a voice memo if you'd like one minute 60 seconds would be great Your name where you're from let us know and we have a lot of things happening in the intentional fatherhood world So go to intentional fatherhood.org check out all that's happening different events. 02:27.731 --> 02:30.953 [SPEAKER_00]: We have going on around the country different things that are happening events where 02:31.793 --> 02:39.040 [SPEAKER_01]: you could come hanging out with us other in other dads and also get one of these stickers that I have on my airpress mug. 02:39.300 --> 02:40.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at those. 02:40.661 --> 02:45.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe by the time we'll have our own engraved cup by that time. 02:46.066 --> 02:50.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, do you think when people see us in November and Austin? 02:51.211 --> 02:52.072 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll have the 24, 15 tattoo yet. 02:54.015 --> 03:11.965 [SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be up to you because I've gotten it six months ago, but right now right if you're not even so if you don't know this at our last conference some dudes now epicly known as the thai guys they was tattooed 24 15 on their thighs in the hotel room with a 03:13.045 --> 03:14.226 [SPEAKER_01]: could Amazon bought. 03:14.446 --> 03:15.226 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know too, gun. 03:15.266 --> 03:17.327 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the story keeps on that ever done this. 03:17.787 --> 03:21.408 [SPEAKER_00]: The story keeps getting more legend in one let me let it be, but I'll be legend. 03:21.488 --> 03:25.010 [SPEAKER_00]: I will say this 24 15 is from Joshua 24 15 as for me in my house. 03:25.750 --> 03:28.591 [SPEAKER_00]: And so yes, it's a meaningful number. 03:29.711 --> 03:30.552 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm still glad they did it. 03:30.572 --> 03:34.953 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was their way to kind of bond over and have a covenant in friendship and say, here's our our mark. 03:35.173 --> 03:37.414 [SPEAKER_01]: And you think I'm just having fun talking about our 03:41.856 --> 03:52.504 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to see 24 15 intentional fatherhood the wolf and around the wolf they're going to see four words Legacy begins at home. 03:53.565 --> 03:56.287 [SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about legacy because 03:57.608 --> 04:02.371 [SPEAKER_01]: our great hope for you in being an intentional father is that you leave a legacy. 04:03.612 --> 04:05.413 [SPEAKER_01]: Changing generations to come. 04:05.493 --> 04:06.054 [SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, I love it. 04:06.074 --> 04:10.897 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever heard Ray Orton and his wife talk about generational change? 04:11.858 --> 04:12.518 [SPEAKER_01]: They have this one. 04:12.658 --> 04:15.060 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not specifically, but they got a book on this. 04:15.200 --> 04:16.661 [SPEAKER_01]: They have I've heard their talk on it. 04:17.181 --> 04:22.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this beautiful idea of not just thinking about your kids and the impact you're having on them? 04:22.605 --> 04:25.167 [SPEAKER_01]: But thinking out to the tenth generation and how many 04:26.868 --> 04:28.229 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we do that with intentional actually. 04:28.249 --> 04:28.790 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good. 04:28.950 --> 04:29.671 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so good. 04:29.691 --> 04:35.496 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you add the numbers of if you're a family multiply it even just half Yeah, faith like how many people to reach it. 04:35.656 --> 04:39.100 [SPEAKER_01]: It's yeah, it quickly becomes hundreds and thousands and millions. 04:39.440 --> 04:42.102 [SPEAKER_01]: We by ten Ten generations. 04:42.463 --> 04:43.424 [SPEAKER_00]: Things 12 generations. 04:43.464 --> 04:44.244 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the millions. 04:44.465 --> 04:45.105 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's what it is. 04:45.305 --> 04:45.806 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh. 04:45.826 --> 04:46.527 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of kids. 04:46.647 --> 04:46.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 04:47.127 --> 04:47.468 [SPEAKER_01]: I love it. 04:48.349 --> 04:51.333 [SPEAKER_01]: Who we can't think about our work in our silo of our life. 04:51.493 --> 04:52.735 [SPEAKER_01]: This is for God as for neighbor. 04:52.755 --> 04:53.476 [SPEAKER_01]: It's for our family. 04:53.496 --> 04:55.359 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to think generation. 04:55.419 --> 04:56.761 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to think about leaving legacy. 04:57.742 --> 04:59.785 [SPEAKER_01]: Or as our friend, Jean-To puts it, legacy. 05:00.266 --> 05:01.167 [SPEAKER_00]: Jean-To, we love you. 05:01.187 --> 05:01.868 [SPEAKER_00]: Love you, Jean-To. 05:03.710 --> 05:05.511 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's set this up and we'll start this in. 05:05.571 --> 05:09.933 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a couple of things to just highlight, this is biblical, like we all know this. 05:10.033 --> 05:19.318 [SPEAKER_00]: But as we are kind of winding down, not kind of as we're winding down this particular season around this concept of vocation work, passion calling all that stuff. 05:20.558 --> 05:33.683 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a bigger thing to just focus on as we step into other topics, and that is that this isn't just for you, and in many ways it's never was for you, which is a good, good thing to remember. 05:41.625 --> 05:53.534 [SPEAKER_00]: of what it looks like to actually practically, when you lie down, when you wake up, when you walk along the way, basically just passing on your faith, the idea like legacies of very daily situation, you're passing on who you are through your kids. 05:54.054 --> 05:59.918 [SPEAKER_00]: You have Psalm 78, which I love Psalm 78 for, we'll tell the next generation of the goodness of God. 05:59.938 --> 06:03.181 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a handful of different translations, but that's that idea that you are job. 06:03.841 --> 06:13.003 [SPEAKER_00]: is to actually inform the next generation and show them and help them and equip them and build them up to be able to do it. 06:13.064 --> 06:13.944 [SPEAKER_00]: You have a responsibility. 06:14.624 --> 06:25.687 [SPEAKER_00]: And then just another verse, but again, I think this is, I'll spend a little bit more time here, is Proverbs 13, 22, a good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. 06:27.588 --> 06:32.473 [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to highlight, we hear that word inheritance and in our modern culture obviously we think money. 06:32.914 --> 06:36.637 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course actually that is a part of it, but it is only one of a few things. 06:36.697 --> 06:37.438 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not just money. 06:37.938 --> 06:39.980 [SPEAKER_00]: You also want to leave the inheritance of wisdom. 06:40.601 --> 06:43.463 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to leave the inheritance of faith, reputation. 06:43.484 --> 06:45.085 [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say patterns. 06:45.345 --> 06:47.788 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you want to leave the inheritance of a good life. 06:47.828 --> 06:49.509 [SPEAKER_00]: What does it look like to give a good life? 06:50.730 --> 06:58.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Back in season two we talked about this concept two different episodes of giving your death away This is a part of that and if you're noting or kind of noticing like oh 07:00.171 --> 07:06.135 [SPEAKER_00]: They're ending most of their conversations with this idea of how does this not just stay with us. 07:06.976 --> 07:08.677 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's very intentional. 07:08.897 --> 07:13.940 [SPEAKER_00]: And that is because it doesn't just ever stay with you and it should never stay with you. 07:14.360 --> 07:18.963 [SPEAKER_00]: And so what we want to talk about how legacy isn't later, it's actually right now, it starts right now. 07:19.424 --> 07:21.545 [SPEAKER_00]: Your legacy and how you're doing this is today. 07:21.585 --> 07:26.789 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, and it starts in the, I love that you called this the ordinary stuff of legacy due to around 26. 07:27.329 --> 07:49.023 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, legacy begins at home, again, that's on our sticker, that's on our tagline, legacy is not for later and it's also not for the extraordinary decisions legacy is left now in ordinary stuff that you're doing to build something that is beyond you, which only God and the people of God can help you build. 07:50.464 --> 07:52.785 [SPEAKER_00]: can't do it alone, cannot do it alone. 07:52.805 --> 08:00.609 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is what we want to just focus on today because there are so many different things that you could focus on. 08:00.709 --> 08:06.812 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you take your eyes off of yourself and you start to recognize that this is a part of a bigger thing. 08:07.852 --> 08:08.633 [SPEAKER_00]: And not just your work. 08:08.673 --> 08:10.874 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's your whole life you're wanting to pass on. 08:10.894 --> 08:12.716 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we're going to highlight today. 08:12.736 --> 08:14.957 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to talk about that idea. 08:14.977 --> 08:18.320 [SPEAKER_00]: We want to talk about unfinished symphonies, Justin. 08:19.480 --> 08:20.181 [SPEAKER_00]: Take this next part. 08:21.102 --> 08:23.303 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about this in the form of three questions. 08:23.784 --> 08:23.944 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 08:23.964 --> 08:28.187 [SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of kind of rotate and move between them for the rest of this episode. 08:28.287 --> 08:30.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Question number one, what are you building? 08:38.660 --> 08:44.683 [SPEAKER_01]: Question number three, what does it feel like to live with you while you're building this? 08:45.263 --> 08:47.564 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so let me just draw this out a little bit and then we can't have it. 08:47.744 --> 08:48.524 [SPEAKER_01]: I like these questions. 08:48.604 --> 08:49.865 [SPEAKER_01]: I love these questions too. 08:49.925 --> 08:50.665 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you building? 08:50.965 --> 08:53.106 [SPEAKER_01]: Institutionally, what are you doing? 08:53.146 --> 08:54.007 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you creating? 08:54.027 --> 08:54.687 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you hoping for? 08:54.707 --> 08:55.487 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you leaving behind? 08:55.527 --> 08:57.048 [SPEAKER_01]: This is going to explore the idea of, 08:58.189 --> 09:04.793 [SPEAKER_01]: Dreaming about things that last longer than you, building things that are bigger than your time horizon. 09:05.673 --> 09:11.297 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're only doing something that can be accomplished right now in this lifetime, your dreams probably are not big enough. 09:12.398 --> 09:14.319 [SPEAKER_01]: But number two, what can you never build? 09:14.979 --> 09:15.640 [SPEAKER_01]: All of life. 09:16.260 --> 09:19.041 [SPEAKER_01]: when you zoom out is an unfinished symphony. 09:19.101 --> 09:24.042 [SPEAKER_01]: We got to get comfortable with the humility that we actually can't achieve our dreams. 09:24.243 --> 09:27.103 [SPEAKER_01]: But with God and the people of God, his dreams can be achieved. 09:27.564 --> 09:32.025 [SPEAKER_01]: And then third, what does it feel like to live with you while you're doing these things? 09:33.005 --> 09:36.846 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to try to get you to think from your wife's perspective, from your kids' perspective, from your friends' perspective. 09:38.267 --> 09:41.328 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want you to live a life of success. 09:43.102 --> 09:44.523 [SPEAKER_01]: when you are miserable to be around. 09:44.903 --> 09:47.404 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want you to live a life of success that is not sanctified. 09:47.624 --> 09:48.705 [SPEAKER_00]: In terms of no one else to see this. 09:48.765 --> 09:50.886 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're, in terms of no one else does no one cares. 09:51.486 --> 10:01.971 [SPEAKER_01]: What we want you to do is have a great hope in what you're building with a great humility, what you never can build, that makes you a Jesus-like presence to be around while you go about doing it. 10:02.031 --> 10:03.672 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's start with the first one. 10:04.232 --> 10:04.953 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you building? 10:05.393 --> 10:05.593 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 10:06.154 --> 10:08.155 [SPEAKER_01]: Can I dive into a session here, please? 10:08.175 --> 10:08.875 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you should. 10:09.216 --> 10:19.522 [SPEAKER_01]: One of my great friends drew, I don't know where he got it from, but he often says this that if your goals can be accomplished in this generation, they're probably too small. 10:19.542 --> 10:21.904 [SPEAKER_01]: I really like the idea. 10:23.184 --> 10:28.066 [SPEAKER_01]: of thinking about your vocation and your great hope for life, what you're building. 10:28.106 --> 10:34.168 [SPEAKER_01]: And this might be the church your building, this might be for me, it's a Vodalegal, the law from I'm building for me, it is the books I'm writing. 10:35.448 --> 10:39.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I often think not, how is this book going to launch? 10:41.252 --> 10:44.313 [SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely asked myself, is this book going to be read 50 years for now? 10:44.353 --> 10:46.273 [SPEAKER_01]: Is this going to be read 100 years for now? 10:46.913 --> 10:49.333 [SPEAKER_01]: And you might, like, you hear that, you're like, how arrogant? 10:49.353 --> 10:53.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, maybe not, but, but this is the framework I'm thinking about. 10:53.734 --> 10:55.895 [SPEAKER_01]: And I do am I creating a legacy of writing? 10:56.315 --> 10:58.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Am I creating a legacy of legal work that can outlast me? 10:59.435 --> 11:03.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of this is the idea of building institutions. 11:03.416 --> 11:07.557 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is worth you all thinking about following up on. 11:08.297 --> 11:09.537 [SPEAKER_01]: There's more here than we can unpack. 11:10.897 --> 11:21.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Two books that have been very, very helpful for me are you've all the beans a time to build and I actually don't know if I pronounce it his name right now. 11:22.006 --> 11:23.347 [SPEAKER_01]: Recent writer is a great book. 11:23.387 --> 11:26.490 [SPEAKER_01]: It's about institutional collapse in our generation. 11:27.431 --> 11:50.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Why everybody is losing faith in government institutions and cultural institutions, why everyone is distrusting the establishment and he talks from a Christian perspective on how tragic that is because institutions outlast us, they do a lot more than we can and he talks about the inversion right now of how people unfortunately now use institutions as their personal platform. 11:51.232 --> 11:51.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 11:52.013 --> 11:57.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Instead of using institutions to build things that serve other people. 11:58.439 --> 12:10.509 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, they say many of the great things that have caps, American culture, but also Western culture, culture at large together are institutions that become norms for people. 12:11.230 --> 12:12.031 [SPEAKER_01]: These are powerful. 12:12.071 --> 12:13.071 [SPEAKER_01]: These are worth building. 12:13.111 --> 12:14.032 [SPEAKER_01]: These are bigger than you. 12:14.812 --> 12:18.315 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is the antithesis of building your personal brand and platform in your life. 12:18.395 --> 12:20.556 [SPEAKER_01]: It means building something out out last you. 12:20.796 --> 12:23.098 [SPEAKER_01]: Second book that is worth checking out here. 12:24.399 --> 12:25.800 [SPEAKER_01]: I have disagreements with it. 12:25.900 --> 12:30.423 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't accept it wholesale, but James Davidson hunters to change the world. 12:31.155 --> 12:31.876 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes, I've seen this. 12:31.916 --> 12:35.318 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, this came out about it was about 10 17 years ago. 12:35.338 --> 12:37.279 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like 10,000 nine 10. 12:38.400 --> 12:39.120 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like a cool. 12:39.260 --> 12:39.881 [SPEAKER_00]: I know exactly. 12:40.061 --> 12:40.781 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I have. 12:40.841 --> 12:42.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's really interesting. 12:42.202 --> 12:48.726 [SPEAKER_01]: It is the one I'm thinking so he does battle against the idea of the culture wars. 12:48.826 --> 12:58.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, I have some bones to pick with his way of thinking, but he, but he basically says a defensive posture against culture is not enough. 12:59.012 --> 13:01.773 [SPEAKER_01]: a relevant posture to culture is not enough. 13:02.553 --> 13:05.973 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to be doing things that actually build and shape culture. 13:05.993 --> 13:22.556 [SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of like indie crouches culture making but he takes it to a level of how does culture actually work and I'm saying all this because his big claim is that the way that Christianity will actually quote unquote change the world is when Christians 13:27.937 --> 13:30.420 [SPEAKER_01]: and become influencers within those institutions. 13:30.480 --> 13:39.371 [SPEAKER_01]: So we tend to think either grass roots like create a burning grass root movement, or we tend to think like celebrity culture, like get really popular. 13:39.431 --> 13:44.157 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's saying, you know, both of these things do shape amendments, but what shapes culture in the long term? 13:46.044 --> 13:52.526 [SPEAKER_01]: is institutions, and so Christians should be deeply embedded in them, doing redemptive work, and then he calls this faithful presence. 13:52.566 --> 14:01.829 [SPEAKER_01]: If you heard a couple of episodes on giving, couple of episodes are going giving, Lauren, I have a giving category called faithful presence, where we think about how we're helping shape culture through our giving. 14:01.929 --> 14:04.630 [SPEAKER_01]: So I know that's a little bit upstream, but 14:05.842 --> 14:16.874 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really important for you to think, it's really important for you to think, and you should be thinking, if you want to think about how your vocation affects the world, you need to be thinking about it institutionally, what are you building? 14:17.235 --> 14:17.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 14:17.715 --> 14:19.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, before we go on the question too, just really quick. 14:21.563 --> 14:23.385 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope you think about this for intentional, right? 14:23.445 --> 14:31.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what just intentional become as a family ministry, you know, focus on the families and institution that shaped the generation before us. 14:32.192 --> 14:32.873 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, absolutely. 14:32.913 --> 14:34.114 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're, and I'm so grateful for it. 14:34.274 --> 14:34.894 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 14:35.795 --> 14:38.978 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though I've got, you guys have some pack of pillows, you know, that might be like, wow, this and that. 14:39.218 --> 14:47.725 [SPEAKER_01]: But like I would hope, you know, that you all are thinking and frankly, I love partnering with you guys on one of the part of it of creating another institution that shapes the generation of families. 14:47.945 --> 14:55.434 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that as you're talking, it's of no probably surprised that that is a very much a part of our heart. 14:55.734 --> 15:00.260 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I say our heart, I mean, like, we have to ask a different question as well. 15:00.320 --> 15:04.685 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is God wanting to do through your institution? 15:05.005 --> 15:10.830 [SPEAKER_00]: what has God wanted to do through intentional as an institution for his kingdom and glory. 15:10.850 --> 15:30.325 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a voter could be something that's completely servicing those in this generation financially and then done as soon as it's done, if it's not set up the right way, if it's not led the right way, if it's not actually you think about that now, way before you ever even have to give up authority, you're already thinking about how is it going to outlast me. 15:31.186 --> 15:32.286 [SPEAKER_00]: So for us similarly, 15:33.187 --> 15:35.589 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's important to think that way. 15:35.609 --> 15:38.372 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say something before I actually talk about a couple of details on that. 15:39.152 --> 15:44.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Certain things are not supposed to live beyond certain times cycles. 15:44.557 --> 15:51.062 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's important to also say the reverse of this although I don't want it to in any way like counter our point because it's not a counter. 15:51.783 --> 15:54.906 [SPEAKER_00]: There are certain things that are supposed to be for that generation, and then be done. 15:55.086 --> 16:07.599 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's certain things that are supposed to live on, and I think sometimes there is a real, real, real tension when certain things that you want it to live beyond you, but it's actually meant for that moment. 16:07.899 --> 16:08.520 [SPEAKER_00]: And now again, 16:09.060 --> 16:10.101 [SPEAKER_00]: This is really tricky to say. 16:10.181 --> 16:13.324 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you actually build it to be able to have that. 16:13.364 --> 16:18.208 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, sometimes I'm saying that you're a forecast in question to what about our unfinished symphony. 16:18.268 --> 16:19.429 [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, well, yeah. 16:19.449 --> 16:19.990 [SPEAKER_00]: So exactly. 16:20.010 --> 16:21.671 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, I don't want to mess with that too much. 16:21.711 --> 16:24.013 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's it is to say like for us, we are thinking about that. 16:24.033 --> 16:24.774 [SPEAKER_00]: We're praying about that. 16:25.194 --> 16:25.694 [SPEAKER_00]: How can 16:26.515 --> 16:32.956 [SPEAKER_00]: intentional think through how to help marriages and fathers and mothers and parents for this generation. 16:33.296 --> 16:36.177 [SPEAKER_00]: But really actually my kids and their kids and their kids. 16:36.737 --> 16:38.878 [SPEAKER_00]: And if we think this right, we pray this right. 16:38.898 --> 16:39.878 [SPEAKER_00]: We set it up right. 16:39.918 --> 16:42.278 [SPEAKER_00]: There's very real possibility for that to happen. 16:42.938 --> 16:45.839 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll also say, I think it is really interesting. 16:46.479 --> 16:49.060 [SPEAKER_00]: David is spoken about in Acts 1336. 16:52.100 --> 16:55.942 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love this phrase, it's said about David. 16:55.962 --> 17:03.786 [SPEAKER_00]: It says, David of Bill, to God's purposes in his generation, and then he fell asleep. 17:05.867 --> 17:08.528 [SPEAKER_00]: And I love this fall asleep as Bible for dead. 17:08.728 --> 17:09.049 [SPEAKER_00]: He died. 17:09.749 --> 17:11.090 [SPEAKER_00]: It's Bible for dead. 17:11.190 --> 17:11.690 [SPEAKER_00]: Bible for dead. 17:12.567 --> 17:14.869 [SPEAKER_00]: tell you just in case you're like, whoa, he took a nap, no, he died. 17:15.909 --> 17:16.990 [SPEAKER_00]: But here was my favorite phrase. 17:17.650 --> 17:20.953 [SPEAKER_00]: David fulfilled God's purposes in his generation. 17:22.061 --> 17:27.443 [SPEAKER_00]: Ironically, God's purposes in His generation lived way beyond David's generation, if that makes sense. 17:28.244 --> 17:36.067 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think a safe thing to think through as you are processing this is God, what are you and this is just falling perfectly into what we've been talking about this whole time. 17:36.568 --> 17:43.190 [SPEAKER_00]: God, what have you put me on this planet for for the time belt that I exist for your purposes? 17:43.471 --> 17:45.752 [SPEAKER_00]: What are God's purposes for you in your generation? 17:46.792 --> 17:53.155 [SPEAKER_00]: When we start thinking that way, praying that way, there is a natural generational impact. 17:53.376 --> 17:57.998 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if the institution you start doesn't live beyond you, your life lives beyond you. 17:58.018 --> 17:58.558 [SPEAKER_00]: That's sense. 17:58.598 --> 18:00.439 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, I think about writing as well. 18:00.459 --> 18:01.060 [SPEAKER_00]: Last thing I'll say is, 18:01.980 --> 18:03.201 [SPEAKER_00]: writing is one of those things. 18:03.501 --> 18:06.382 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to write because I want people, it's the same thing. 18:06.422 --> 18:11.565 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I want people to be blessed beyond the time that I have on this earth. 18:11.585 --> 18:17.648 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I can bless people and reach into decades into the future and help them, I want to do that. 18:17.688 --> 18:18.149 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 18:18.169 --> 18:19.109 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to just help people now. 18:19.129 --> 18:20.050 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to help people in the future. 18:20.090 --> 18:26.253 [SPEAKER_00]: Not out of ego, but out of like, please, if there's anything that I can help you with, like, you want to help people. 18:26.293 --> 18:26.533 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, 18:26.753 --> 18:34.712 [SPEAKER_01]: And just to encourage you, call back to episode three of this season, ego. 18:36.919 --> 18:40.601 [SPEAKER_01]: In ambition, don't have to be the same thing. 18:41.202 --> 18:45.524 [SPEAKER_01]: You can have a great hope that your writings will be read 50 hundred years from now, that interesting. 18:45.564 --> 18:50.988 [SPEAKER_01]: We come the next focus on the families, and I think that is, it's ego when it's about you, right? 18:51.008 --> 18:52.168 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that works. 18:52.208 --> 18:52.528 [SPEAKER_01]: You go. 18:52.588 --> 18:54.710 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Latin for self, right? 18:55.410 --> 18:59.032 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the, the, the, the, the, the the difference between 19:00.253 --> 19:09.101 [SPEAKER_01]: Godly ambition and selfish ambition is just that is it for you or is it for the love of God a neighbor and I love your reference to David. 19:09.161 --> 19:10.182 [SPEAKER_01]: I love the humility here. 19:10.262 --> 19:23.053 [SPEAKER_01]: It got just perfectly into the next point, which is our our dreams big and holy as they may be may not be God streams and and we have to comfortable with the idea of it not working. 19:23.173 --> 19:29.158 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, some of us are never being able to do it, so before we leave this first question, you know, what are you building? 19:29.658 --> 19:31.320 [SPEAKER_01]: No, this word hope, right? 19:31.340 --> 19:37.284 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to have a great hope for what you're building that is different than an anxiety over what you're building. 19:37.304 --> 19:38.205 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to write you of hope. 19:38.285 --> 19:40.427 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but then the second question, let's flush this one out. 19:41.168 --> 19:42.068 [SPEAKER_01]: What can you never build? 19:44.350 --> 19:47.633 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you a couple images here, but the first image you brought 19:52.911 --> 19:55.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Are you asking me to talk about the temple? 19:55.052 --> 19:56.213 [SPEAKER_00]: He never got to the temple, right? 19:56.413 --> 19:57.853 [SPEAKER_00]: His name is how you got it right. 19:57.953 --> 19:59.074 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's just a good question. 19:59.094 --> 20:00.334 [SPEAKER_00]: Distressible. 20:00.475 --> 20:02.035 [SPEAKER_00]: I think temple, I'm pretty confident. 20:02.055 --> 20:03.296 [SPEAKER_01]: But now I'm questioning David. 20:03.336 --> 20:05.917 [SPEAKER_01]: The field God's purpose is David gets named in the line. 20:05.937 --> 20:07.898 [SPEAKER_01]: David is all obviously incredible in so many ways. 20:07.938 --> 20:10.579 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's also super problematic in so many ways. 20:11.400 --> 20:13.981 [SPEAKER_01]: And he never got to build the thing that he did want to build. 20:14.801 --> 20:29.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Some other glimpses of this, one of my favorite stories about Leonardo Da Vinci is apparently in the side of one of his journals he had many is just written a scroll of is anything ever finished. 20:30.575 --> 20:40.385 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that because like a genius mind, someone filled with so much hope and ideas, you also live with the crippling frustration of like, I have more than I can ever finish. 20:40.746 --> 20:42.348 [SPEAKER_01]: I have more ideas than I can ever finish. 20:43.329 --> 20:48.614 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the best stories that you'll ever read on this, probably many of you have heard it, so if you haven't, it's told often. 20:50.296 --> 20:50.816 [SPEAKER_01]: Tolkien. 20:52.038 --> 20:52.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Tolkien or Tolkien. 20:54.393 --> 20:56.556 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a it's hot to all key. 20:56.576 --> 20:57.257 [SPEAKER_00]: The Lord of the Rings. 20:57.277 --> 21:04.988 [SPEAKER_01]: He also wrote a famous little short story called Nichols leaf and Iggy L. E. Nichols leaf. 21:05.008 --> 21:05.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Go look it up. 21:06.290 --> 21:06.931 [SPEAKER_01]: He's an artist. 21:07.492 --> 21:08.092 [SPEAKER_01]: This little guy. 21:10.175 --> 21:11.135 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he is in the store. 21:11.155 --> 21:12.696 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's the name that makes him sound. 21:12.716 --> 21:14.556 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you say he's a little little. 21:14.756 --> 21:16.477 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, let's not get distracted. 21:16.617 --> 21:22.618 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's an artist, dreams of painting this mural of a tree in his whole life. 21:22.638 --> 21:24.879 [SPEAKER_01]: You only accomplishes ever painting a leaf. 21:24.919 --> 21:28.439 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very embarrassing to him and everybody walks by and says, you know, how's your painting going? 21:28.459 --> 21:30.140 [SPEAKER_01]: The only ever finishes a leaf. 21:30.887 --> 21:32.628 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he has a kind of a laughing stock. 21:32.928 --> 21:33.189 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 21:33.649 --> 21:36.831 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember the story exactly, but he dies. 21:37.091 --> 21:41.514 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's walking in the new heavens and the new earth and the kingdom and the sweet hair after and heaven. 21:42.195 --> 21:43.375 [SPEAKER_01]: And he crests a hill. 21:43.395 --> 21:44.716 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he might actually be writing his bike. 21:44.756 --> 21:45.197 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember. 21:45.617 --> 21:49.039 [SPEAKER_01]: And he sees this gorgeous tree. 21:50.000 --> 21:53.662 [SPEAKER_01]: And he stops in his tracks and he's like, oh my gosh, what a beautiful tree. 21:53.682 --> 21:57.545 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think as he's gazing at it, he slowly realizes, this was his tree. 21:58.227 --> 22:00.867 [SPEAKER_01]: This was what he was trying to paint his whole life. 22:00.907 --> 22:10.829 [SPEAKER_01]: He could only ever get out of leaf, but in the new heavens and the new earth, in the city of God, all that he had hoped for was brought to fruition. 22:11.369 --> 22:11.649 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 22:11.729 --> 22:14.050 [SPEAKER_01]: And I live with that story. 22:14.130 --> 22:21.611 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Tolkien wrote it probably in the midst of working on Lord of the Rings and thinking, I think a lot of his friends were worried that he would never finish this story. 22:21.631 --> 22:22.691 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it took him a long time. 22:22.931 --> 22:23.832 [SPEAKER_01]: You all can backcheck me. 22:23.852 --> 22:25.472 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's, if you know way more about Lord of the Rings than it. 22:27.052 --> 22:29.713 [SPEAKER_01]: I choose Dimitri's journal. 22:29.793 --> 22:30.273 [SPEAKER_00]: I said nerd. 22:30.313 --> 22:30.754 [SPEAKER_00]: I apologize. 22:30.814 --> 22:31.954 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, you're not nerds. 22:31.974 --> 22:33.555 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my wife loves Lord Mary. 22:33.635 --> 22:33.895 [SPEAKER_00]: I know. 22:34.495 --> 22:35.275 [SPEAKER_01]: Super into it. 22:36.175 --> 22:37.036 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got a nerdy. 22:37.316 --> 22:39.337 [SPEAKER_00]: It's great. 22:39.417 --> 22:46.759 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, great artists, great builders, great, you know, people people of great vocations. 22:46.859 --> 22:47.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 22:47.560 --> 22:49.940 [SPEAKER_01]: No, that there is a huge limit to what they can do. 22:50.061 --> 22:51.421 [SPEAKER_01]: And so they have a huge hope. 22:52.601 --> 22:53.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Next to a huge humility. 22:54.522 --> 22:59.045 [SPEAKER_01]: They know I want to go to law firm, but a vote is still like 20 people. 22:59.225 --> 23:00.146 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like not that big. 23:00.286 --> 23:01.087 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so dumb. 23:01.187 --> 23:10.553 [SPEAKER_00]: I just It's not well, I mean actually just gonna encourage you though, but think about even last year when we started this versus where it is now Yeah, it's been massive growth. 23:10.593 --> 23:23.182 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it growing and but but I think that's the exact point like You're saying oh it's only this now, but like I think about how much it was from what it was before and how much it can become Yeah, I'm excited for you and it's not done. 23:23.222 --> 23:23.742 [SPEAKER_00]: I love for a lot 23:23.922 --> 23:30.132 [SPEAKER_01]: But you you have a wrong perspective if you think you can accomplish everything you want to do in your life. 23:30.253 --> 23:30.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 23:30.794 --> 23:32.777 [SPEAKER_01]: So the opposite here is like 23:34.357 --> 23:35.958 [SPEAKER_01]: it's humility rather than pride. 23:36.619 --> 23:47.908 [SPEAKER_01]: When you realize that all of life is unfinished, symphonies, you get comfortable with the nameless of your legacy, as you might not be able to build what you intend to build. 23:48.569 --> 23:49.830 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can paint a leaf. 23:50.190 --> 23:50.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 23:50.731 --> 23:52.693 [SPEAKER_01]: You can write the first eight bars at the symphony. 23:52.733 --> 23:54.734 [SPEAKER_01]: You can create the small company, you can 23:55.895 --> 24:07.767 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, actually, I mentioned this on the last episode of Old Kirk Christians and the founder of what became Legos he never had any idea of what it was going to be. 24:08.467 --> 24:13.633 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he would probably be shocked that it's now like a global toilet land. 24:14.153 --> 24:15.274 [SPEAKER_01]: His company. 24:16.747 --> 24:18.790 [SPEAKER_01]: touches every family in the world. 24:18.810 --> 24:21.554 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what kid has not touched a leg or heard of it? 24:21.654 --> 24:22.735 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what kid is not played with it? 24:22.775 --> 24:23.536 [SPEAKER_01]: He had no idea. 24:23.697 --> 24:24.858 [SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't when he died. 24:25.639 --> 24:32.969 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just beginning to, you know, ship plastic bricks, I think globally, but I don't think they had American manufacturing yet. 24:33.050 --> 24:33.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, 24:34.347 --> 24:49.698 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to say that on that, this really interesting, because I'm thinking of, you know, filling my hand, my in-laws, they started intentional, but it was very, it was a Friday night and Saturday, like, helping parents situation, they never had any. 24:50.258 --> 24:53.979 [SPEAKER_00]: thoughts or even ideas that would become even what it's become already in their time. 24:54.299 --> 24:58.600 [SPEAKER_00]: And think about, you know, they're they're at the giving their death away stages. 24:58.660 --> 25:00.041 [SPEAKER_00]: They're in the older stages of their life. 25:00.061 --> 25:04.882 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a chance, you know, they won't be here to see what it's even becoming fully. 25:04.962 --> 25:09.723 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's actually a beautiful that that's actually a part of their legacy in a big way too. 25:10.323 --> 25:11.744 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's a lot of that. 25:12.484 --> 25:16.326 [SPEAKER_00]: those types of things where you realize like, did they start it for them? 25:16.847 --> 25:18.548 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, did they start it for the future? 25:18.568 --> 25:20.469 [SPEAKER_00]: It turns out yes. 25:20.949 --> 25:26.012 [SPEAKER_00]: They also though, I think this is another detail that they thought of, is like they had to have a succession plan. 25:26.632 --> 25:27.473 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh good. 25:27.593 --> 25:28.293 [SPEAKER_00]: So let me say this. 25:28.333 --> 25:29.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about that for a second. 25:29.394 --> 25:31.235 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but because here's an example. 25:31.715 --> 25:34.877 [SPEAKER_00]: How many of many of you listening are involved with churches? 25:35.877 --> 25:38.178 [SPEAKER_00]: a person a personality starts a church. 25:38.718 --> 25:41.099 [SPEAKER_00]: They've done molder and older and older. 25:41.179 --> 25:45.580 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been built around that personality and that personality has no succession plan. 25:45.781 --> 25:48.682 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and why that is Listen up, y'all. 25:48.722 --> 25:49.462 [SPEAKER_01]: This is bad. 25:49.482 --> 25:50.642 [SPEAKER_01]: This is bad. 25:50.862 --> 25:54.764 [SPEAKER_01]: Turn over the reins, mentor people and fight them in. 25:54.924 --> 25:56.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't be scared of the young. 25:56.184 --> 25:56.464 [SPEAKER_00]: Sorry. 25:56.524 --> 25:58.165 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm changing and go ahead. 25:59.045 --> 25:59.726 [SPEAKER_00]: This is important. 25:59.826 --> 26:01.988 [SPEAKER_00]: I know I can tell you're passionate. 26:02.589 --> 26:08.755 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's it's to say like it is it is so it's not just sad. 26:09.496 --> 26:21.648 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels wrong when you see that because it is such a deep selfishness to not think about how this can be not about you and you haven't taken enough time to not make this about you. 26:22.228 --> 26:30.130 [SPEAKER_00]: that you literally, because it's built on you, you literally haven't taken the time to think about what it gives this could be if you could just step out of it. 26:30.570 --> 26:32.210 [SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be a time in your life, friend. 26:32.690 --> 26:41.552 [SPEAKER_00]: And I say this because I have this wonderful, I have a handful of older people that I get to be around and do life with, not just for one day, others that I try to bring in my life. 26:41.912 --> 26:43.693 [SPEAKER_00]: And somebody told me I'm into or the other day. 26:44.733 --> 26:59.361 [SPEAKER_00]: It said, there's going to be a time when you're going to be really tempted to think everyone in the room wants your opinion and no one's going to want it anymore and you'll still be alive to see this and you'll be tempted to be like, oh, everyone wants to know what I think and they will not care. 26:59.422 --> 27:01.203 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he said, get ready for that right now. 27:01.843 --> 27:04.364 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of us and a lot of our leaders. 27:05.685 --> 27:14.409 [SPEAKER_01]: I think no, at least technically, and they say, and we'll talk in terms of, that they can't do what they long to do without God's help. 27:15.009 --> 27:15.489 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is true. 27:15.990 --> 27:17.871 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's, it's obviously correct. 27:18.711 --> 27:25.034 [SPEAKER_01]: I think many of them don't know that they can't do what they long to do without the people of God's help. 27:25.314 --> 27:25.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 27:25.974 --> 27:27.615 [SPEAKER_01]: So here's, I'm trying to draw a distinction. 27:27.955 --> 27:39.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, any great institution, any great vision, any great vocation should understand that it can't be accomplished outside of communal work. 27:39.764 --> 27:40.004 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 27:40.185 --> 27:49.772 [SPEAKER_01]: This is so, so deeply antithetical to our cultural mood of celebrity right now, where people really do get convinced that it's 27:56.348 --> 28:02.231 [SPEAKER_01]: author's name or that this pastor, this name is why this works. 28:02.911 --> 28:04.932 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, no, I couldn't do this without God. 28:04.952 --> 28:06.752 [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you can't do, we know that. 28:07.073 --> 28:11.334 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you also can't do, you can't do this without the people of God, which means you can't do this without the next generation. 28:11.695 --> 28:12.915 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't do this without health. 28:13.235 --> 28:14.436 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't do this without un... 28:15.036 --> 28:30.861 [SPEAKER_01]: Tangling your greedy fingers from the reins and giving them over to the next people who are going to help you do this and you're breaking everything that you made by not knowing how to hand it over not not understand that you won't finish the symphony never you need of the next writer. 28:31.141 --> 28:32.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is a relay race. 28:33.563 --> 28:34.584 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not running it alone. 28:34.964 --> 28:38.547 [SPEAKER_01]: David couldn't build the temple Solomon came. 28:40.269 --> 28:42.811 [SPEAKER_01]: God has a plan that is bigger than you. 28:42.871 --> 28:58.525 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is where I think it both I think helps us to think about our vocation now, is how are we setting it up so that we are integrated with other people in institutions that will go on longer than us, that are collectively trusting in the spirit of this spirit of ours work. 28:59.085 --> 29:12.769 [SPEAKER_01]: and not just doing our thing, like, no one cares about your platform when you're telling you, and by the way, there will be a moment when people, when you hear your name for the last time, and then you'll die. 29:13.603 --> 29:17.424 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there will be a moment in history where someone says your name for the last time. 29:17.724 --> 29:19.344 [SPEAKER_01]: That is in your buried in the rubble. 29:20.065 --> 29:21.685 [SPEAKER_01]: Like no one will know your name anymore. 29:21.705 --> 29:26.766 [SPEAKER_01]: No one will even say it that the generations will be too long for people to even uncover your name. 29:27.546 --> 29:29.727 [SPEAKER_01]: And your hope has to be in the kingdom of heaven. 29:29.867 --> 29:33.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Like finding the tree, because otherwise this is so depressing. 29:33.308 --> 29:35.488 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm thinking of our conversation. 29:36.088 --> 29:40.910 [SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of an intimate thing, but it's the conversation that we have a role-hizer after we 29:43.391 --> 29:44.472 [SPEAKER_00]: If you remember, no, let me say this. 29:44.492 --> 30:05.194 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do that, you're just, you're just, when you get amped up, he's like, he's like, he's like an exercise, but vocally, it's, he said to us, I remember, we, we think them, just as two men that are in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're in a different stage of life where they're 30:05.394 --> 30:05.534 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 30:05.674 --> 30:06.455 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 30:06.475 --> 30:11.938 [SPEAKER_00]: And we basically were just thanking him and saying, you know, we just so appreciate your work. 30:11.978 --> 30:13.960 [SPEAKER_00]: It has been such a gift to both of us in different ways. 30:13.980 --> 30:15.160 [SPEAKER_00]: It's shaped us in different ways. 30:15.200 --> 30:18.343 [SPEAKER_00]: And we before we ever knew each other were being influenced by his work. 30:18.543 --> 30:22.525 [SPEAKER_00]: And and he's just simply said, it's yours now to take guys. 30:22.885 --> 30:23.986 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to take it. 30:24.046 --> 30:24.787 [SPEAKER_00]: Take all of this. 30:25.027 --> 30:26.168 [SPEAKER_00]: Make it yours a client. 30:26.208 --> 30:27.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Give it to the other people. 30:27.208 --> 30:27.749 [SPEAKER_00]: It's for it. 30:27.949 --> 30:30.671 [SPEAKER_00]: He literally was like, I was like, Brian's like, 30:33.972 --> 30:35.533 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. 30:35.793 --> 30:36.853 [SPEAKER_00]: It was exactly what it felt like. 30:37.013 --> 30:43.195 [SPEAKER_00]: And I won't even say that it felt like hyper-prefetic or spiritual as much as it felt like kind. 30:43.495 --> 30:46.756 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, yeah, it is actually yours to take now. 30:46.816 --> 30:47.636 [SPEAKER_00]: Take all this stuff. 30:48.056 --> 30:48.796 [SPEAKER_00]: Don't waste it. 30:48.916 --> 30:50.277 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was almost like, don't waste all this. 30:50.377 --> 30:51.337 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done a lot of work. 30:51.397 --> 30:52.117 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a blessing. 30:52.197 --> 30:52.778 [SPEAKER_00]: It was a blessing. 30:52.938 --> 30:57.659 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was going to say that it felt like him blessing us to say, take that stuff. 30:57.839 --> 31:00.000 [SPEAKER_00]: It's yours now to take your generation needs. 31:00.020 --> 31:00.260 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 31:00.440 --> 31:01.180 [SPEAKER_00]: It's what he was saying. 31:01.740 --> 31:09.729 [SPEAKER_00]: And I felt like if I never talked with him again, I feel like there was almost this commissioning of like, do the work. 31:10.270 --> 31:20.501 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is what, like, Ronald in that moment and that we got that quote, by the way, it's a carnal, carnal barth quote that he quotes in one of his books, that Ron, Roll Heiser reclows in his book. 31:20.521 --> 31:21.682 [SPEAKER_00]: That's where I first came across it. 31:21.802 --> 31:22.163 [SPEAKER_00]: Cross it. 31:22.904 --> 31:31.814 [SPEAKER_00]: is, it's him talk, like, roll hizer talks about that, and in that moment, I want to share that story because that is the exact thing that we're talking about. 31:32.195 --> 31:35.339 [SPEAKER_00]: He knows that he cannot complete the work that God's given him to do. 31:35.759 --> 31:37.642 [SPEAKER_00]: He's actually in a cancer journey right now, he's... 31:38.322 --> 31:49.065 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know how much time he has left and he is literally saying my symphonies not going to be finished, but here's one of the ways I'm going to help it by giving and commissioning guys like you to take it and to move on. 31:49.085 --> 31:52.427 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that's a hyper important detail. 31:52.767 --> 31:56.848 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I want to say that this is a big, big, big part of this. 31:57.168 --> 32:02.830 [SPEAKER_00]: I have one more thing, I want you to say whatever you're thought to this, I've one more thought on unfinished symphonies as it relates to family. 32:02.850 --> 32:02.950 [SPEAKER_00]: But 32:03.510 --> 32:04.131 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, we're going to share. 32:04.291 --> 32:06.653 [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually going to intertwine it with family a little bit. 32:06.673 --> 32:09.496 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's both, because this moves us into our third question. 32:09.836 --> 32:18.465 [SPEAKER_01]: But I was just thinking about how, you know, our favorite moment of every story, every movie, um, is that moment when? 32:20.165 --> 32:24.847 [SPEAKER_01]: a parent often a father looks at a child and says, I'm dying. 32:24.967 --> 32:25.967 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do this anymore. 32:26.228 --> 32:29.389 [SPEAKER_01]: It's up to you now and they're like, I can't do it. 32:29.509 --> 32:35.311 [SPEAKER_01]: I need you and there's this beautiful concept of handing it over, passing it off. 32:35.412 --> 32:35.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 32:36.732 --> 32:44.275 [SPEAKER_01]: And it is neither, neither side is ever prepared for it, which is why we need to be thinking about it now and always. 32:44.795 --> 32:45.876 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the succession plan? 32:46.400 --> 32:47.841 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the, that's the handoff plan? 32:47.881 --> 32:49.422 [SPEAKER_01]: How is what I'm doing bigger than me? 32:50.543 --> 32:52.584 [SPEAKER_01]: So big that only God in the people of God. 32:52.724 --> 32:54.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, good care to us forward. 32:54.605 --> 32:59.469 [SPEAKER_00]: What's what feeling to am we're doing with intentional when they first asked us to come on we're like, no, I don't want to do this. 32:59.509 --> 33:01.130 [SPEAKER_00]: It was all that makes up for me. 33:01.850 --> 33:07.131 [SPEAKER_00]: and they knew like this will not go anywhere unless we hand it to the generation that needs to do it. 33:07.551 --> 33:08.872 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's only going to really work well. 33:08.892 --> 33:12.333 [SPEAKER_00]: I were still present in a live and full of our all of our wits to be able to help. 33:12.513 --> 33:14.133 [SPEAKER_01]: You do it earlier than you think you need to do. 33:14.173 --> 33:14.413 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 33:14.613 --> 33:21.395 [SPEAKER_00]: And when I when I hear of leaders and there's upper 60s or even 70s when they have different health complications and they have no plan. 33:22.195 --> 33:23.876 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you men, please hear me. 33:24.356 --> 33:30.918 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not okay if you are working in a team and there's no succession plan and you are working on that team. 33:31.358 --> 33:37.760 [SPEAKER_00]: That is a ship that's going down because when that personality flops, could you recover potentially? 33:38.281 --> 33:41.802 [SPEAKER_00]: But you are taking a risk and I think you don't even understand how big of a deal it is. 33:41.842 --> 33:44.903 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you call this a couple episodes back like negative learning? 33:45.543 --> 33:46.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Native development. 33:46.324 --> 33:46.644 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 33:46.824 --> 33:59.632 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, probably a lot of you hearing this and like, yeah, see, I, that's what I know tell my boss when my boss listen to this and you're like, uh, yeah, I mean, most of them won't because they are the kind of personally type that doesn't think that need to learn properly. 33:59.652 --> 34:00.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but you can learn from it. 34:01.032 --> 34:01.353 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 34:01.573 --> 34:02.213 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 34:02.233 --> 34:11.539 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's wrap these two and and close with our third, um, you need to have a hope in what you're building, not an anxiety over the future. 34:12.079 --> 34:19.009 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you need to have a humility in what you can't build, not a pride in everything that you can, okay? 34:19.490 --> 34:26.500 [SPEAKER_01]: So many of us dads are defined by our anxious pride rather than our humble hope. 34:27.421 --> 34:37.971 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you have that humble hope over what you're building but what you can't build, that's when we come to this third question and say it's comfortable to live with you. 34:39.011 --> 34:46.578 [SPEAKER_01]: So the question for your father is, what does it feel like to live with you while you're trying to build what you're building? 34:46.778 --> 34:47.318 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm. 34:47.898 --> 35:02.144 [SPEAKER_01]: This is really important like what's normal, like what how would your family describe you and don't you know some of your film guilt shame Chuck whatever Some of you want to avoid the question, but that that's that's what it feels like when Grace starts to work in your life. 35:02.184 --> 35:02.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:02.524 --> 35:03.925 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, I need to change 35:04.325 --> 35:15.534 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but because some of you, like me, have made excuses for a long time of like, well, this is the start-up phase or that I need to learn this or this is what it takes for me to provide or this is my manager or my boss is fault. 35:15.554 --> 35:16.835 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this firm, small, whatever. 35:16.855 --> 35:26.564 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear like most of my last decade has been characterized by thinking it probably doesn't feel great to live with me right now. 35:33.863 --> 35:37.865 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I think Lauren would confirm like, yeah, I was not just that you, it's not just internal. 35:37.905 --> 35:38.566 [SPEAKER_00]: It's external. 35:39.006 --> 35:39.866 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 35:39.906 --> 35:52.253 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think probably Lauren knows that, you know, my going too hard and parts of our vacation has caused a lot of pain for her and our family. 35:52.393 --> 35:52.653 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 35:52.773 --> 36:00.217 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I've started to do well enough that my kids are starting to be shielded from the pain, but I carry the constant tension of like, 36:01.317 --> 36:05.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I can't just take my frustration out on the family. 36:05.758 --> 36:07.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this went wrong at work. 36:07.919 --> 36:09.059 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm frustrated over this. 36:09.219 --> 36:10.379 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not living up to eggs. 36:10.419 --> 36:11.920 [SPEAKER_01]: My unfunner's 70 sucks. 36:12.420 --> 36:15.221 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you come home and you kick the dog and yell at the kids. 36:15.261 --> 36:19.422 [SPEAKER_01]: You're like, no, it's your job that to act like Jesus. 36:19.462 --> 36:20.622 [SPEAKER_01]: That is you take the pain. 36:20.862 --> 36:23.583 [SPEAKER_01]: You hold the stress so that your kids can have life for the fall. 36:24.183 --> 36:25.683 [SPEAKER_01]: And this question explores that. 36:25.703 --> 36:27.204 [SPEAKER_01]: It's what does it feel like to live with you? 36:27.224 --> 36:27.784 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 36:28.544 --> 36:28.804 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 36:29.245 --> 36:31.866 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think, you know, what are the answers for that? 36:31.906 --> 36:32.726 [SPEAKER_01]: How do we work on this? 36:33.007 --> 36:34.127 [SPEAKER_00]: I have a couple things. 36:34.167 --> 36:40.091 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the unfinished symphony can also play into this because it's an angst thing. 36:40.331 --> 36:43.893 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what you just said, the unfinished symphony sucks. 36:44.473 --> 36:46.054 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're the part that I finished. 36:46.094 --> 36:53.416 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I think it's also just sometimes naming and accepting the fact that that certain things are just never going to be what you want. 36:53.936 --> 36:59.778 [SPEAKER_00]: It's actually one of the things that helps living with you be a more palpable, pleasant experience. 37:00.118 --> 37:01.319 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me just give you a for instance. 37:01.739 --> 37:06.681 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of disappointments you are going to collect in adulthood, especially fatherhood. 37:07.321 --> 37:10.562 [SPEAKER_00]: And these could be disappointments like my marriages and what I thought it was going to be. 37:11.162 --> 37:12.703 [SPEAKER_00]: My job is not what I'd hoped it to be. 37:13.224 --> 37:14.765 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not doing the things I'd love to do. 37:15.005 --> 37:16.446 [SPEAKER_00]: My hobby is suck. 37:16.606 --> 37:17.527 [SPEAKER_00]: My friend group is hard. 37:17.567 --> 37:18.467 [SPEAKER_00]: I live in a hard place. 37:18.487 --> 37:19.268 [SPEAKER_00]: My church isn't great. 37:19.588 --> 37:23.351 [SPEAKER_00]: These are things that are going to come up over and over and over again. 37:23.451 --> 37:26.673 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a small menu of a very large one that you could make. 37:27.254 --> 37:29.855 [SPEAKER_00]: And insert your own disappointment. 37:30.416 --> 37:38.982 [SPEAKER_00]: But I also think why it's important to highlight that there are unfinished symphonies in the world when it comes to even your vocation and handing on what you're doing. 37:39.602 --> 37:54.394 [SPEAKER_00]: There's unfinished symphonies in your family that are just things that need to be named and noted Hmm, and what I'm gonna say about that because this is my story versus maybe this isn't the the general one But there's been a lot of times where I've been like man my kids health 37:55.752 --> 37:56.773 [SPEAKER_00]: is not what I want it. 37:57.033 --> 38:00.335 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a very hard, like it's really disappointing. 38:00.375 --> 38:02.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, my wife is sick all the time. 38:02.417 --> 38:04.258 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know how much I was going to be a caretaker. 38:04.999 --> 38:07.841 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that feels like a very unfinished symphony. 38:07.881 --> 38:13.245 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I just like get really angry that these things are not the way that I hope them to be. 38:13.345 --> 38:13.645 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. 38:13.885 --> 38:15.947 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking for them to be a finished symphony. 38:15.987 --> 38:23.172 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to be angry at everybody and everything all the time, which, by the way, FYI does happen at times because I'm human and it's hard to hold all of it. 38:23.692 --> 38:27.675 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm saying the unfinished symphony when it comes to living with you, it's not just your vocation. 38:27.755 --> 38:33.379 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also you naming how has the family that I actually have and the person who I actually am? 38:33.859 --> 38:36.581 [SPEAKER_00]: How is that like impacting me? 38:36.802 --> 38:38.162 [SPEAKER_00]: Am I like harboring resentment? 38:38.223 --> 38:41.965 [SPEAKER_00]: Bitterness have I not accepted that this is the wife I have, these are the kids I have. 38:42.185 --> 38:46.308 [SPEAKER_00]: And that doesn't mean that that you need to have like some sort of pity party or their terrible and you're the best. 38:46.368 --> 38:47.709 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying any of that. 38:47.809 --> 38:48.250 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, 38:48.890 --> 39:13.377 [SPEAKER_00]: you in every relationship are going to have a level of both blessing and pain and it's being able to say this is who God's given me and this is my stewardship thing and my issue, my issue to stewardship and I think that makes you a much more pleasant person to be around when you're not constantly angry or critical about the people that are in your world and you're accepting that 39:16.618 --> 39:27.985 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's and it's simply to say I think even asking that this question should hopefully raise in you in my personal opinion on awareness that you might be actually hard to live around and if you are at all curious if you are. 39:28.666 --> 39:34.149 [SPEAKER_00]: I bet you if you were humble enough to ask that question the people that love you most would give you some pretty honest feedback. 39:34.470 --> 39:38.212 [SPEAKER_00]: And it might be better than you think it might be worse than you think I'm just saying it's a pretty easy thing to find out. 39:39.314 --> 39:42.035 [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is connected to a verse. 39:43.296 --> 39:45.656 [SPEAKER_01]: We read in the last episode I believe on hobby. 39:46.957 --> 39:47.277 [SPEAKER_01]: Which one? 39:47.337 --> 39:52.979 [SPEAKER_01]: Ecclesiastes to 24 and 25, and then I'm gonna pair it with Ecclesiastes 9. 39:54.180 --> 40:00.082 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Ecclesiastes to person can do nothing better than to eat and drink and find satisfaction. 40:00.362 --> 40:00.782 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. 40:00.862 --> 40:02.143 [SPEAKER_01]: In their own toil. 40:02.383 --> 40:04.243 [SPEAKER_01]: This I see is from the hand of God. 40:04.263 --> 40:08.385 [SPEAKER_01]: For without God, who can find or eat enjoyment? 40:08.585 --> 40:12.888 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, Ecclesiasis 9, the author expounding on the same idea. 40:12.928 --> 40:22.355 [SPEAKER_01]: Go eat your food with gladness and drink your wine with a joyful heart for God has already approved what you do enjoy life with your wife. 40:24.236 --> 40:24.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, love. 40:25.237 --> 40:31.281 [SPEAKER_01]: All the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun, all your meaningless days. 40:31.341 --> 40:33.162 [SPEAKER_01]: For this is your life, you're a lot in life. 40:33.202 --> 40:33.703 [SPEAKER_01]: I could go on. 40:34.303 --> 40:36.004 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's an ecclesiasties. 40:36.044 --> 40:37.485 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so powerful and powerful. 40:37.726 --> 40:49.814 [SPEAKER_01]: Powerfully brilliant is because it merges these two ideas of saying even in this vapor, the hebel, I think is the Hebrew word, the vanity of this like confusing cloud that it is to be you. 40:50.414 --> 40:59.958 [SPEAKER_01]: With all your image of God, brokenness, like all your potential and all your wasted potential, all your ambition and all your failure and pride. 41:00.478 --> 41:10.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Nonetheless, the call of the Christian life is to joy, to enjoy life with your wife, to find, 41:14.723 --> 41:16.326 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually a lot of it is meaningless. 41:16.346 --> 41:17.247 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it is frustrating. 41:17.307 --> 41:19.009 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I suck at most of this. 41:19.971 --> 41:27.301 [SPEAKER_01]: But you but that knowledge of what you cannot do and what only God can do. 41:27.481 --> 41:27.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 41:27.982 --> 41:30.605 [SPEAKER_01]: Leeds you not to anxious pride. 41:31.226 --> 41:36.629 [SPEAKER_01]: but rather to humble hope, which makes you a soft, glad, gracious, and joyful person. 41:37.070 --> 41:40.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that's men who we want to become. 41:41.012 --> 41:42.593 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a broken eye, we want to become this. 41:42.773 --> 41:54.660 [SPEAKER_01]: We want you to become this, a man who as they grow older grows more approachable by his wife and children, more soft, more joyful, more prone to merriment and he laughs a lot. 41:55.921 --> 41:57.042 [SPEAKER_01]: He probably cries a lot. 41:57.122 --> 41:58.043 [SPEAKER_01]: He's softer. 41:58.344 --> 41:59.044 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not bitter. 41:59.084 --> 42:00.166 [SPEAKER_01]: He's less controlling. 42:00.186 --> 42:00.886 [SPEAKER_01]: He's more open. 42:01.347 --> 42:09.335 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the idea that, yes, you're leaving a legacy of what it feels like to be you, where yeah, gosh, you're working on that incredible company. 42:09.355 --> 42:13.359 [SPEAKER_01]: But your kids will never remember what the bottom line was. 42:13.579 --> 42:14.840 [SPEAKER_01]: Like they will never remember. 42:14.900 --> 42:16.081 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, she hit this metric. 42:16.542 --> 42:17.383 [SPEAKER_01]: They will remember. 42:18.564 --> 42:21.645 [SPEAKER_01]: whether you laugh at the dinner table or whether you resound out. 42:21.766 --> 42:26.188 [SPEAKER_01]: They will remember the trips you took them on because you were willing to take time off. 42:26.649 --> 42:28.350 [SPEAKER_01]: They will remember the joy you took and work. 42:29.610 --> 42:31.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Not because of all that you were accomplishing, but just because 42:32.975 --> 42:34.536 [SPEAKER_01]: It's good to take joy in your type of toy. 42:34.556 --> 42:35.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes. 42:35.757 --> 42:37.218 [SPEAKER_01]: What does it feel like to live with you? 42:37.338 --> 42:39.900 [SPEAKER_01]: And so thanks through, it actually would be great for you to name right now. 42:40.721 --> 42:42.602 [SPEAKER_01]: Where are the places in your life? 42:42.882 --> 42:46.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Where it's not feeling good to live with you in your vocation? 42:46.705 --> 42:46.985 [SPEAKER_01]: Ooh. 42:47.606 --> 42:50.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think like if you connect them, bro, I mean, 42:52.023 --> 42:53.524 [SPEAKER_01]: probably the answers are going to lie. 42:53.584 --> 42:57.505 [SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, if we did a good job somewhere in the former episodes that we already recorded. 42:57.565 --> 42:58.085 [SPEAKER_00]: There you go. 42:58.486 --> 43:02.887 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that hopefully, if you're wondering how does all this play out? 43:02.947 --> 43:10.551 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was one of our hopes with going through this extensively is to try to name identify and work through and honestly, there's more. 43:10.591 --> 43:13.532 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is at least a comprehensive idea. 43:13.552 --> 43:16.053 [SPEAKER_00]: This is almost 10 hours of content. 43:16.633 --> 43:22.795 [SPEAKER_00]: that would hopefully give you a very clear idea of calling vocation, a passion, ambition. 43:22.875 --> 43:30.396 [SPEAKER_00]: All, and where it plays out, not all that, but to just say this, if you are missing at home, you've missed it at work. 43:31.917 --> 43:44.420 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like you wanna sum up this whole thing, if you miss being a husband that's present and loving to your spouse, if you miss being the kind of dad that can not pass on more pain, but less. 43:46.378 --> 43:53.625 [SPEAKER_00]: your job, your work that makes you money, you've honestly, if you've missed the family thing, you've missed the work there. 43:53.765 --> 43:56.388 [SPEAKER_00]: And so you have to get these priorities right. 43:56.468 --> 44:03.996 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying like have to like, German, you got like, it's just saying like, you want that, that's the good life, that's the full life. 44:04.376 --> 44:07.800 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's important as we even end this season to just simply say, 44:08.360 --> 44:11.342 [SPEAKER_00]: Justin and I are two dads who are trying. 44:11.582 --> 44:13.763 [SPEAKER_00]: We are not two dads who have got this figured out. 44:14.384 --> 44:16.305 [SPEAKER_00]: Who are excellent experts on this? 44:16.325 --> 44:21.308 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you just listen everything we do and say you will be just fine, we are in this messy for us, dude. 44:21.388 --> 44:22.588 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm about to fly home. 44:23.028 --> 44:25.530 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been gone for eight days in total with two different trips. 44:26.594 --> 44:44.179 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm already getting texts like my family is gonna need a lot and I'm really tired and re-entry is hard and I mean like I'm doing the ministry for family and I'm gonna go back and my first my my first needs your reaction is gonna be just like rooting grumpy to my family. 44:44.819 --> 44:48.140 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you like that's what I'm actually in my body prepping for. 44:49.040 --> 44:51.522 [SPEAKER_00]: not because I want to be that way, but because I know that's my tendency. 44:51.562 --> 44:52.342 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying. 44:52.383 --> 44:55.665 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just telling you like this is the reality of what it looks like. 44:55.705 --> 44:56.606 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not clean. 44:56.646 --> 44:58.687 [SPEAKER_00]: It is not like prescriptive. 44:58.727 --> 45:00.628 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a journey that you have to go on. 45:01.329 --> 45:08.894 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the more that we name these unfinished symphonies and the more we actually ask the question, what is it like to be around me? 45:09.975 --> 45:14.778 [SPEAKER_00]: That is probably one of the most humbling, hard, and beautiful questions for you to ask. 45:15.319 --> 45:21.683 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you end all of this with, hey, work folks that I lead or even the team that you're on, what's it like to work with me? 45:22.324 --> 45:23.845 [SPEAKER_00]: Family, what's it like to experience me? 45:24.725 --> 45:31.150 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you take that feedback with humility and pray it in, you will become such a wonderful human. 45:31.210 --> 45:35.773 [SPEAKER_00]: If you can go through that process over and over and over again, because that shows humility, kindness, 45:38.515 --> 45:45.384 [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot that we could say, there's a lot that we could try to add to this, if you are a person who is hearing this, I just want to encourage you. 45:46.465 --> 45:48.608 [SPEAKER_00]: Do not try to bite off more than you can chew. 45:48.708 --> 45:49.890 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a process. 45:50.210 --> 45:52.954 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of you hearing are going to be like, yes, I don't even have kids. 45:53.114 --> 45:53.515 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm amped. 45:53.555 --> 45:53.915 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready. 45:53.935 --> 45:55.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, dude, take a breath. 45:55.597 --> 46:01.320 [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, it takes time, just in I like, you're 41 right now, I'm 41 this year. 46:01.680 --> 46:14.025 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is taken so much of our, of our last 20 years really to get to a spot to where we're like, okay, I kind of feel like I might be not failing all the time. 46:14.445 --> 46:16.246 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's kind of what it feels like if I'm being honest. 46:16.266 --> 46:17.307 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if you're good description. 46:17.447 --> 46:17.747 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 46:18.208 --> 46:23.752 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you kind of feel like you're completely failing or like just still failing just not as much good company. 46:24.192 --> 46:24.752 [SPEAKER_01]: Same place. 46:25.493 --> 46:32.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I think I remember there was some passage in my first book, The Common Rule, where I was talking about how frustrating everything feels. 46:33.358 --> 46:34.239 [SPEAKER_01]: I was writing it at 33 or 34. 46:34.319 --> 46:34.959 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember. 46:35.920 --> 46:36.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 46:36.120 --> 46:38.462 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the editor actually wrote a note in the margin. 46:39.562 --> 46:40.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a personal. 46:40.223 --> 46:41.383 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, don't worry, this gets better. 46:41.403 --> 46:43.404 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was in his 40s. 46:44.225 --> 46:47.707 [SPEAKER_01]: And I would actually say to all you guys listening, I don't know where you are at. 46:48.087 --> 46:51.009 [SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of you are probably, you know, like 20s or like 30s, mid 30s. 46:51.029 --> 46:51.469 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great. 46:52.110 --> 46:54.151 [SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, we're just maybe a couple years ahead of you. 46:54.211 --> 46:54.331 [SPEAKER_01]: But 46:56.423 --> 47:06.357 [SPEAKER_01]: our whole like stick since season one has been if it feels like fatherhood is the hardest thing that you've ever done. 47:06.377 --> 47:08.560 [SPEAKER_01]: It's because it is. 47:09.341 --> 47:13.127 [SPEAKER_01]: It's full of tension because it's full of such great possibility. 47:13.987 --> 47:19.208 [SPEAKER_01]: It's full of difficulty because it is such a high-calling, and your work is like this. 47:20.168 --> 47:28.690 [SPEAKER_01]: If you understand the theology we laid out that work is good, that you have a calling, you need to form it that ambition is good, but you're going to be upset by sins. 47:29.290 --> 47:31.090 [SPEAKER_01]: That's hard work. 47:31.510 --> 47:33.270 [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to feel like, oh, how do you do this? 47:33.310 --> 47:37.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Go back and listen to those three episodes and think through dream, cultivate a big hope. 47:37.831 --> 47:41.572 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're hearing us talk and say, what does it feel like to live with you and you're 47:43.032 --> 47:49.978 [SPEAKER_01]: I care so much about money or I my time, like I'm so unproductive or lazy or like I'm not a good leader in the workplace. 47:50.018 --> 47:51.119 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't have spiritual disciplines. 47:51.760 --> 47:53.241 [SPEAKER_01]: I have horrible boundaries with my family. 47:53.261 --> 48:07.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it is, I just literally listed our episodes four or five six seven and eight and we tried to make them practical so that you can go think about them and say which area do I need to work on why because we want you to live a legacy of good work around your family. 48:08.074 --> 48:22.772 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, being a worker is going to be one of the most important things that your family ever sees you do and being a dad who is present despite being a worker who is ambitious is going to be the most important feeling that you ever create in your family. 48:23.453 --> 48:25.515 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want you to separate and we want you to do them together. 48:25.635 --> 48:26.216 [SPEAKER_01]: It is hard. 48:26.276 --> 48:33.062 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do think, hopefully we stand here and saying, we've fumbled around a lot in the last decade of being parents. 48:33.222 --> 48:34.843 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're still fumbling. 48:34.863 --> 48:36.344 [SPEAKER_01]: Still fumbling quite a bit. 48:36.845 --> 48:39.887 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do see growth growth. 48:40.088 --> 48:42.930 [SPEAKER_01]: I do sanctification is real. 48:43.471 --> 48:48.095 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so grateful that God and the people of God are surrounding me because yes. 48:48.675 --> 48:53.598 [SPEAKER_01]: I, not only would I be an awful, awful worker and an awful father without God and the people of God. 48:53.618 --> 48:55.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I'd be here to do it. 48:55.879 --> 49:01.922 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I, I, you know, there's serious questions of what would be true of my life without the church and without God. 49:01.982 --> 49:07.325 [SPEAKER_01]: But with, with your, your guys, like, go find them, go listen to this together, go talk to your friends. 49:08.385 --> 49:15.635 [SPEAKER_01]: pray like get in the word and think about this because with God and with the people of God, sanctification is real, praise God, grace exists. 49:15.655 --> 49:19.640 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to be the way you are today tomorrow. 49:19.760 --> 49:22.584 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you can change and that is really, really good news. 49:23.105 --> 49:46.463 [SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if we end this season with a short of brief each of us short prayer blessing over everybody that's listening to this episode, but also through this season and basically praying it in I know this I'm throwing us I'm throwing this out there right now, but I think we should do that and if you want to start, I can close this, but it doesn't have to be long, but just prayer blessing and so many of your listening just. 49:47.243 --> 49:48.945 [SPEAKER_00]: Men and women listening please this is for you. 49:48.965 --> 49:52.707 [SPEAKER_00]: We just want to take this and pray this in because it's only by the power of the Spirit that we can fully live this out. 49:52.947 --> 49:53.768 [SPEAKER_00]: Amen. 49:53.948 --> 49:55.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Here is your benediction. 49:56.790 --> 50:01.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Lord God, Jesus Spirit of God, would you be with these men in their work? 50:02.354 --> 50:02.534 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hm. 50:02.814 --> 50:06.137 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you give them big, godly ambitions? 50:06.177 --> 50:08.338 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you save them from their besetting sense? 50:08.358 --> 50:12.281 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you help them to steward their time, steward their money? 50:13.688 --> 50:16.371 [SPEAKER_01]: intertwined spiritual disciplines in their work. 50:16.511 --> 50:28.322 [SPEAKER_01]: Would you call them to great things and let them live with great humility as they do it with you and with others, bless them, bless the work of their hands. 50:34.564 --> 50:42.268 [SPEAKER_00]: heal what needs healing, bring hope or then needs to be hope, humility or then needs to be humility, help or then needs to be help. 50:43.069 --> 50:54.695 [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus, we ask for all of this because these men and these sisters listening, these wives, we all need it and God, we just ask for now's fresh billing of your Holy Spirit. 50:55.275 --> 51:20.741 [SPEAKER_00]: I just asked that anyone that is even listening to this right now would just have a new fresh filling of you Holy Spirit, a new help, a new focus, a new perspective, and that anyone that would even be hearing this prayer, whether they're in a car, or on a walk, or just even at the gym, that they would just hear your spirit washing over them, feel your help, feel the change happening in their body, in their mind, in their soul, and God, which you just blessed the works of their hands. 51:25.002 --> 51:27.124 [SPEAKER_00]: that come from the men and women listening right now. 51:27.545 --> 51:29.467 [SPEAKER_00]: That would change the world for your glory. 51:29.967 --> 51:30.768 [SPEAKER_00]: We pray this for it. 51:30.828 --> 51:32.209 [SPEAKER_00]: Not only your glory, but our good. 51:32.229 --> 51:35.413 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, man.