WEBVTT 00:00.455 --> 00:04.105 [SPEAKER_04]: time, I'm Professor Beckstra, and I'm Professor Bronson and this. 00:04.506 --> 00:06.792 [SPEAKER_04]: Finally, it's prison news. 00:19.818 --> 00:22.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's wrote on your new shoes? 00:22.500 --> 00:33.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's time to get up off your chair And hear the news without a kiss It's the news Who are you where you're of news? 00:33.387 --> 00:36.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's the breeze of news 00:49.639 --> 00:52.261 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I said, how was that harmonizing it? 00:52.281 --> 00:53.282 [SPEAKER_03]: We're like the BGs. 00:53.522 --> 00:55.344 [SPEAKER_03]: It's harmonizing on that tune there. 00:55.784 --> 00:58.766 [SPEAKER_04]: I very much appreciated by my ears over here. 00:58.806 --> 01:03.270 [SPEAKER_04]: I noticed that I stayed the hell out of it because I know my limits, but good work. 01:03.869 --> 01:04.609 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, thank you. 01:04.790 --> 01:05.150 [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you. 01:07.011 --> 01:08.092 [SPEAKER_03]: The strawberries are added again. 01:08.992 --> 01:10.353 [SPEAKER_03]: Welcome Eric Bronson. 01:10.793 --> 01:13.775 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great to see Eric Bronson is reporting live. 01:14.116 --> 01:14.516 [SPEAKER_03]: Five. 01:15.616 --> 01:15.837 [SPEAKER_03]: Five. 01:15.857 --> 01:17.238 [SPEAKER_03]: From campus. 01:18.258 --> 01:19.119 [SPEAKER_03]: How do we need campus? 01:19.919 --> 01:24.862 [SPEAKER_04]: From the gorgeous gorgeous campus on the water. 01:25.423 --> 01:26.563 [SPEAKER_04]: Roger Williams University. 01:27.364 --> 01:30.146 [SPEAKER_04]: And I happen to be sitting in the School of Justice Studies. 01:31.387 --> 01:31.687 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes. 01:33.957 --> 01:37.618 [SPEAKER_03]: This it's a great place to be while we're talking about them. 01:37.758 --> 01:39.259 [SPEAKER_03]: Why don't we just take our sponsor? 01:40.259 --> 01:56.005 [SPEAKER_02]: We should upfront top of the pod baby Roger Williams University school of 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foodies. 03:42.429 --> 03:42.669 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. 03:43.249 --> 03:44.090 [SPEAKER_03]: And foodies. 03:49.490 --> 03:49.710 [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm. 03:50.611 --> 03:50.871 [SPEAKER_03]: What? 03:51.972 --> 03:52.353 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 03:53.013 --> 03:53.694 [SPEAKER_03]: Just roll with it. 03:54.054 --> 03:56.236 [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, so this comes from prison legal news. 03:56.557 --> 04:01.481 [SPEAKER_03]: The article titled Like Prisoners Most Jail The Tainies Are Now Banned from receiving physical mail. 04:03.163 --> 04:12.972 [SPEAKER_03]: And prison legal news in February 26, they did a review of these mail policies at 250 of the largest US jail systems. 04:14.178 --> 04:29.017 [SPEAKER_03]: together they hold over half of the country's detainees and they found that these jail systems like almost 62% of them at this point have instituted policies banning physical mail except for legal mail and books from like certain specific book sellers. 04:30.538 --> 04:44.349 [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a path already pretty well-trod by state and federal prison systems where 78% of state systems at this point have banned direct delivery of non-legal general mail. 04:45.770 --> 04:50.955 [SPEAKER_03]: And having worked in prison systems, Eric, did you ever have to do the mail? 04:51.515 --> 04:54.357 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, no, I never had to do anything 04:56.390 --> 04:57.792 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, no, no mail duty. 04:58.352 --> 04:59.013 [SPEAKER_04]: Nothing like that. 04:59.033 --> 05:00.094 [SPEAKER_04]: Never had to open. 05:00.114 --> 05:00.895 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to remember. 05:00.935 --> 05:03.037 [SPEAKER_04]: I was I wasn't custody. 05:03.077 --> 05:05.139 [SPEAKER_04]: I was admin side the whole time I was there. 05:05.600 --> 05:16.951 [SPEAKER_04]: So I never had to review any opening of the, but I didn't see officers going through the mail and the process for which or what it takes. 05:17.051 --> 05:17.612 [SPEAKER_04]: But, uh, 05:18.668 --> 05:22.029 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, I never had, I never had the good fortune about you. 05:22.049 --> 05:23.850 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it was awesome. 05:24.050 --> 05:29.552 [SPEAKER_03]: Working on graveyard shift mail would come in, middle of the night, we're sorting through mail, baby. 05:29.993 --> 05:32.954 [SPEAKER_03]: Going through, no, oh, they can't have this card. 05:32.974 --> 05:36.435 [SPEAKER_03]: There's glitter on this card or a child through this with crann. 05:36.755 --> 05:38.716 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, no, no, no, they are not getting that instead. 05:38.736 --> 05:41.457 [SPEAKER_03]: We are making a photo copy and given them that. 05:42.438 --> 05:45.119 [SPEAKER_03]: We had a lot of standards in terms of what they could and could not have. 05:46.400 --> 05:55.269 [SPEAKER_03]: And this kicks it up a notch to the next level and this this development in jails and and in prisons to an even larger degree. 05:55.990 --> 06:00.794 [SPEAKER_03]: It's a giant change in how people are interacting with the outside world while they're incarcerated. 06:01.595 --> 06:08.522 [SPEAKER_03]: And there's also this rush of private firms into the space of digitization of mail. 06:11.024 --> 06:17.986 [SPEAKER_03]: And they're getting licensed out by sheriffs to perform nothing more than this mail delivery function. 06:18.006 --> 06:25.248 [SPEAKER_03]: They were already paying for it with our tax-apported United States Postal Service shout out to the U.S. B.S. 06:25.769 --> 06:26.869 [SPEAKER_02]: Hill Yee. 06:30.250 --> 06:34.632 [SPEAKER_03]: Another problem that we're seeing with this is that the new services are a lot slower. 06:35.672 --> 06:38.133 [SPEAKER_03]: So at a typical jail that bands any kind of physical mail, 06:39.182 --> 06:51.056 [SPEAKER_03]: The letters and other items get forwarded to a service center in another state where they get scanned into a digital file that's emailed for delivery or the electronic tablets that it may have or for paper printouts. 06:51.870 --> 06:52.951 [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's a delay there. 06:53.472 --> 06:57.655 [SPEAKER_03]: The copy is often often of like this poor quality. 06:58.816 --> 07:09.846 [SPEAKER_03]: And the article goes on to argue, there's a certain emotional benefit that we get from physically touching a card or a letter made by a loved one. 07:10.447 --> 07:11.688 [SPEAKER_03]: And it helps people as well being. 07:12.789 --> 07:16.452 [SPEAKER_03]: I can't speak to that, but it's pointed out here in the article. 07:17.738 --> 07:21.281 [SPEAKER_03]: And so COs still have to review the mail. 07:21.401 --> 07:23.203 [SPEAKER_03]: They have to make sure that it meets content rules. 07:23.223 --> 07:27.406 [SPEAKER_03]: Like you can't put pornography in the mail and expect someone in jail to get it. 07:27.666 --> 07:34.692 [SPEAKER_03]: That's going to be blocked by the COs stopped and they'll put it in your property for winner eventually, released, but you're not getting it. 07:36.017 --> 07:42.423 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just adding more duties for everyone. 07:42.483 --> 07:51.851 [SPEAKER_03]: The CO's also have to make time to ensure that the digital files are emailed to the correct person, or that this physical copy is printed and delivered to them. 07:52.892 --> 07:57.814 [SPEAKER_03]: and they don't, what it's saving us from is making sure no drugs are entering the facility. 07:58.314 --> 08:14.979 [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I was working there was there was one woman who had received a card that was somebody had made taken drugs put drugs in water, soaked paper in that water, the woman had these strips of paper and got high. 08:16.519 --> 08:18.380 [SPEAKER_03]: This solution makes it so they can't. 08:20.630 --> 08:24.866 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I remember back when I was 08:26.186 --> 08:36.072 [SPEAKER_04]: When I was an undergrad, one of the things that was very clear whenever we were touring prisons, and the officers were speaking to us about the mail. 08:36.492 --> 08:48.899 [SPEAKER_04]: This was when somebody had figured out that the inmates were sticking LSD underneath the stamp in between the stamp and the envelope, and so 08:51.215 --> 08:58.502 [SPEAKER_04]: what they ended up doing was just simply cutting out the you know cutting off the stamp whenever it would arrive. 08:58.542 --> 08:59.983 [SPEAKER_04]: And so there was an officer who was there. 09:00.023 --> 09:03.627 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, just cutting, cutting, nothing but stamps off of the envelopes. 09:04.968 --> 09:11.274 [SPEAKER_04]: But then it then was reported that you know, they just started soaking all kinds of stuff and find another way to get it in. 09:11.314 --> 09:14.497 [SPEAKER_04]: But it was, you know, this was at the forefront of, hey, we can hide this here. 09:14.517 --> 09:14.577 [SPEAKER_04]: So, 09:16.239 --> 09:21.631 [SPEAKER_04]: But so much of this is part of the battle to keep contraband out of the institution. 09:22.558 --> 09:22.838 [SPEAKER_03]: Right. 09:22.958 --> 09:35.601 [SPEAKER_03]: And it's such an uphill battle where once we figure out one way of stopping things, another way will another medium for importing contraband is going to happen. 09:36.941 --> 09:44.403 [SPEAKER_03]: And a review of contraband and how it's been smuggled in, it finds that CO is smuggling 09:52.025 --> 10:10.209 [SPEAKER_03]: you incentivize someone enough to say they're unhappy with their job and there's they're not afraid of getting caught and we've seen it time and time again people bring in drugs like I went to a academy with who will go unnamed here was allegedly fired for doing exactly that. 10:13.809 --> 10:16.390 [SPEAKER_03]: Now some some of these jail systems so 10:17.500 --> 10:23.346 [SPEAKER_03]: like in Arizona's Pima County, Georgia's Gwyneth County and Florida's fantasy county. 10:23.767 --> 10:31.074 [SPEAKER_03]: They have a postcard only policy for detainee general mail even after they switch to this mail scanning service. 10:31.474 --> 10:36.159 [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're in one of these lockups, you can only get mail that's postcards. 10:37.180 --> 10:39.462 [SPEAKER_03]: and they don't even give you the actual postcard. 10:39.502 --> 10:47.988 [SPEAKER_03]: They went through all this effort just to make it postcards only and now they're digitizing all the postcards and you're like, what is the point of all this? 10:49.556 --> 11:06.592 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's, again, I know that they're what they're trying to say, but that, you know, in terms of keeping the contraband out, but it's this movement towards digitizing everything and then putting it, you know, having it send to the inmates on their devices, you know, the issue with that is, 11:07.473 --> 11:13.237 [SPEAKER_04]: We know that not all inmates have access to those devices because they won't rent them or they're taken away. 11:13.337 --> 11:20.502 [SPEAKER_04]: So, if an inmate gets written up or something along those, you know, get some kind of institutional, you know, write up or discipline. 11:20.582 --> 11:34.232 [SPEAKER_04]: One of the first things I like to do is take those tablets or, you know, keep a, you know, put them over in the hole and restrict, you know, any type of, you know, 11:34.733 --> 11:39.677 [SPEAKER_04]: benefits with their tablets nowadays, and so they bigger it out. 11:39.717 --> 11:41.699 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, this is a good way to control them. 11:42.279 --> 11:45.822 [SPEAKER_04]: So if that's the only way they're getting their mail, it's to digitize through their tablets. 11:46.182 --> 11:48.044 [SPEAKER_04]: They're, you know, it's easier for them. 11:49.005 --> 11:50.666 [SPEAKER_04]: The prison system to turn it off. 11:51.166 --> 11:51.347 [SPEAKER_04]: Sure. 11:51.727 --> 11:55.750 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're cut off from your tablet, you're cut off from your mail, you're cut off from the outside world, that much more. 11:56.831 --> 12:00.294 [SPEAKER_03]: Which is not necessarily a good thing for somebody trying to rehabilitate. 12:02.715 --> 12:11.939 [SPEAKER_03]: So, in terms of contraband, you can't receive through the mail, there's drugs, there's cell phone, cell phone accessories, batteries, chargers, anything that might be used as a weapon, even like a paper clip. 12:12.899 --> 12:24.504 [SPEAKER_03]: Images or texts that might be considered pornographic, some devices, anything that can be used to threaten staff, including staff images, personal identifying information for staff, like their full name, address, and stuff like that. 12:25.684 --> 12:27.885 [SPEAKER_03]: And staff still have to do the 12:33.511 --> 12:35.792 [SPEAKER_03]: Um, a lot of places will prohibit items. 12:36.212 --> 12:41.895 [SPEAKER_03]: They include like food, combs, jewelry, bookmarks, cigarettes, stickers, greeting cards, ribbons, glitters, drink beads. 12:43.316 --> 12:46.617 [SPEAKER_03]: Because all these things are, they can be hiding drugs. 12:48.416 --> 12:49.837 [SPEAKER_03]: Musical greeting cards are banned. 12:49.917 --> 12:53.661 [SPEAKER_03]: You can't bring, you can't mail somebody like hard plastic or cardboard items. 12:53.681 --> 13:10.435 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no art supplies and you can receive books if they are sent by Barnes and Noble books a million or Amazon but Amazon books have to be delivered by like UPS FedEx or USPS if they're not coming in through one of those services that they don't allow them to receive it. 13:11.897 --> 13:15.539 [SPEAKER_03]: So it limits options more and more and more. 13:16.260 --> 13:20.303 [SPEAKER_03]: And if you look at like Chicago's Cook County, 13:21.529 --> 13:25.111 [SPEAKER_03]: There's no vendor that's providing mail digitization services there. 13:25.131 --> 13:26.612 [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the biggest jails in the country. 13:27.553 --> 13:34.878 [SPEAKER_03]: And detainee mail can still be digitized and emailed by centers using this approved third party service called Liam Safe. 13:35.659 --> 13:39.301 [SPEAKER_03]: And they charge 60 cents for a letter in 99 cents for a photo. 13:39.321 --> 13:42.803 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just another way of nickel and diamond inmates. 13:43.344 --> 13:46.746 [SPEAKER_04]: Right, right, I mean, that's all it's happening. 13:52.108 --> 13:55.892 [SPEAKER_04]: families to move to any of the email services like J. 13:55.932 --> 14:09.247 [SPEAKER_04]: Pay or any of those to get to send letters to, but the fact that they're doing this kind of stuff with to the inmates when their families are trying to send in pictures of family members. 14:11.647 --> 14:16.470 [SPEAKER_04]: And it's just, it's an overreach, I think, by the state and department of corrections where they're doing this. 14:16.850 --> 14:23.393 [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, saying, okay, we have to digitize it for our safety of the security of the institution. 14:23.553 --> 14:30.477 [SPEAKER_04]: And we're going to overcharge you 60 cents or our dollar per picture that's coming in. 14:30.497 --> 14:34.339 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's almost like, oh, where is the grift? 14:34.379 --> 14:36.760 [SPEAKER_04]: Where can we find a way to make a quick buck? 14:38.033 --> 14:42.977 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's exactly it is like, how do we kick people while they're down more? 14:43.017 --> 14:45.960 [SPEAKER_03]: Some states are moving to make phone calls cheaper, for example. 14:46.060 --> 15:04.355 [SPEAKER_03]: And this has historically been one of those things that it's been predatory on inmates where they're charging them like 50 cents a minute or so just these absolutely outrageous prices to make phone calls and with states on the up and up and massachusetts, some sheriff's offices, like maybe we don't do that anymore. 15:04.455 --> 15:06.696 [SPEAKER_03]: Because this is predatory or kicking people while they're down, 15:07.477 --> 15:09.057 [SPEAKER_03]: They're trying to stay in contact with their families. 15:09.898 --> 15:12.699 [SPEAKER_03]: People in jail aren't known for coming from rich areas. 15:13.479 --> 15:23.722 [SPEAKER_03]: And so this is like stretching people thin from the inside where you've already lost a money earner, a wage earner in the family, and then their family's on the outside. 15:23.762 --> 15:25.782 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's tough, right? 15:25.882 --> 15:34.225 [SPEAKER_03]: But some of these firms, they found that in the male digitization market, Florida-based smart communications incorporated, 15:34.909 --> 15:47.445 [SPEAKER_03]: They have contracts to serve like nearly 50,000 detainees, representing nearly 15% of people held large jails, and the revenues last year were estimated at around 50, or sorry, not $50 million, $70 million. 15:47.886 --> 15:51.971 [SPEAKER_03]: So we see people making money hand or fist when it comes to this market. 15:53.032 --> 16:02.637 [SPEAKER_03]: And this needs further review, it's more of an up-and-coming area that needs more oversight. 16:02.957 --> 16:20.427 [SPEAKER_03]: It needs maybe some regulation and maybe we cap the prices, maybe we figure out a way for inmates to receive these things, but without having to pay just a stupid amount of money to get their mail that somebody's already paid to put a stamp on there and get it there the regular way. 16:21.247 --> 16:23.749 [SPEAKER_03]: So, how do we regulate this further? 16:23.769 --> 16:27.012 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know. 16:27.152 --> 16:31.735 [SPEAKER_04]: This is just, I don't know. 16:31.795 --> 16:40.522 [SPEAKER_04]: We got people that, you know, they're paying, you know, they're doing their time and we're, it's almost like, let's find a way to just screw with them a little bit more. 16:40.702 --> 16:42.144 [SPEAKER_04]: Make their lives even more miserable. 16:42.224 --> 16:43.705 [SPEAKER_04]: Take us more money off of them. 16:45.230 --> 16:46.171 [SPEAKER_04]: make things more difficult. 16:46.291 --> 16:55.014 [SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know, maybe we look at it from the correctional officer side where they're sitting there saying, hey, I don't have to go through envelopes anymore. 16:55.494 --> 16:57.055 [SPEAKER_03]: So, Brett, yeah. 16:57.835 --> 17:02.897 [SPEAKER_03]: With your love of the United States mail system, what do you think is the solution here? 17:02.997 --> 17:03.757 [SPEAKER_02]: How do we handle this? 17:03.877 --> 17:09.299 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, is someone who goes through a lot of people's mail and opens it up and looks what's inside for a living. 17:12.399 --> 17:14.220 [SPEAKER_02]: It takes all the good stuff and the drug's in there. 17:14.240 --> 17:15.360 [SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday to me. 17:15.620 --> 17:16.740 [SPEAKER_02]: Send more cash. 17:16.820 --> 17:19.081 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, hey, you shouldn't be sending this in the mail. 17:19.201 --> 17:22.082 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it goes in my pocket, you know, this one's for later. 17:24.262 --> 17:28.565 [SPEAKER_02]: But is someone who does that and steals mail at the USP? 17:29.065 --> 17:29.566 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't. 17:31.187 --> 17:34.909 [SPEAKER_02]: This office of Inspector General's listen to this, just taking notes. 17:36.875 --> 17:37.736 [SPEAKER_03]: They're building their case. 17:39.597 --> 17:43.338 [SPEAKER_02]: No, um, so as a male person, I have feelings about this. 17:43.619 --> 17:50.602 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like male is a right that you pay for as a U.S. citizen, and I don't know. 17:50.702 --> 17:52.183 [SPEAKER_02]: I think everyone should have that right. 17:52.203 --> 18:01.548 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, furthermore, like, if you can figure out how to make drugs, make a letter and drugs, you should be allowed to do those drugs. 18:03.928 --> 18:29.816 [SPEAKER_02]: If we can get it through, get high boys, there's no way it can be that powerful, you know, like I think people should be allowed to do drugs in prison, especially like, you know, psychedelics that they might learn something from, you know, I think everyone should experience in an acid ego death in prison, maybe, but except for, you know, people with, you know, psychosis problems and things like that, of course. 18:30.897 --> 18:45.316 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's interesting because, you know, my, my new little news piece is going to take us down south a little bit, but I did see a sign up in Florida that says do not feed mushrooms to alligators. 18:47.091 --> 18:53.497 [SPEAKER_04]: So people are feeding psychedelic mushrooms to alligators and the alligators are not behaving properly afterwards. 18:53.677 --> 18:59.223 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that that's one of those things for like oh yeah people are like a given drugs to kids on Halloween. 18:59.243 --> 19:08.452 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like no they're not no one's giving away fraud drugs drugs expensive drugs are a business for a reason no one's giving them away right right 19:09.225 --> 19:34.453 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, that sounds right to me, but I don't know people should be allowed to do drugs and prison, especially if they make it into a letter This is just like it's just mail with extra steps and also like it creates like a stratification and people unable to afford their own mail That as you said back like that you know people have already paid to send 19:35.033 --> 19:40.715 [SPEAKER_02]: they've already paid for that right to get their letter to someone and know that person has to pay to receive it as well. 19:40.915 --> 19:41.496 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, come on. 19:41.576 --> 19:58.843 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, the other thing here is that, I mean, essentially we're removing, you know, we're shrinking the government, but some people might say, yeah, small government's good, but we're privatizing something and it's going to raise the price and, yeah, clearly it's not going to be more efficient in for taking all these out extra steps. 20:00.255 --> 20:02.120 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's not like, hey, we privatize things. 20:02.160 --> 20:03.564 [SPEAKER_04]: It always becomes more efficient. 20:03.584 --> 20:05.188 [SPEAKER_04]: That's not always the case. 20:06.505 --> 20:07.985 [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's exactly that. 20:08.365 --> 20:12.867 [SPEAKER_03]: It's just the neoliberalism sticking its ugly hand into more shit. 20:13.027 --> 20:16.107 [SPEAKER_02]: I have another solution that would have create jobs too. 20:16.847 --> 20:18.128 [SPEAKER_02]: So here's the idea. 20:18.748 --> 20:30.531 [SPEAKER_02]: Instead of having all of the CEOs go through the mail and whatever, you have one designated mail person who goes through the mail and gets to eat a little bit of every piece of mail. 20:31.051 --> 20:35.212 [SPEAKER_02]: And if they get high, then they have to check and see what it is, you know. 20:36.694 --> 20:39.897 [SPEAKER_02]: And I, I for one volunteer for this job. 20:40.097 --> 20:41.238 [SPEAKER_02]: I will be the male eater. 20:43.180 --> 20:47.084 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, give me like any grand year signing bonus. 20:47.124 --> 20:48.525 [SPEAKER_02]: Like they do for C.O.s now. 20:49.045 --> 20:52.148 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy to eat male every nail eater. 20:52.368 --> 20:52.729 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 20:53.690 --> 20:55.992 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not even food's males. 20:56.012 --> 20:58.054 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, just a little bit of each later. 20:58.234 --> 20:59.615 [SPEAKER_03]: I do it for free at my job. 21:01.816 --> 21:02.937 [SPEAKER_03]: You do it on your right. 21:02.957 --> 21:13.942 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just do it for free by job all day anyway, so it's like I'm not getting paid for well, I'm technically getting paid for it, but you know, this is just bonus time boss. 21:14.323 --> 21:16.063 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, snack tab. 21:17.004 --> 21:17.724 [SPEAKER_03]: Inspector General. 21:17.744 --> 21:18.605 [SPEAKER_03]: This is satire. 21:20.666 --> 21:20.966 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes. 21:21.286 --> 21:22.667 [SPEAKER_03]: We do not look into it more than that. 21:25.834 --> 21:28.635 [SPEAKER_03]: So Eric, hit us here in your new story. 21:28.655 --> 21:29.815 [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about down south. 21:29.835 --> 21:31.315 [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about theaters, mushrooms. 21:31.695 --> 21:34.256 [SPEAKER_04]: Mushroom, well, yeah, we're not going to finish right there. 21:34.276 --> 21:38.377 [SPEAKER_04]: What we're going to talk about is something kind of rather, you know, rather depressing. 21:38.397 --> 21:42.797 [SPEAKER_04]: But it goes along with part of our obsession in the United States that just killed people. 21:44.138 --> 21:50.319 [SPEAKER_04]: And so there's a little bit of history to this. 21:56.988 --> 22:11.732 [SPEAKER_04]: kind of remember or discussed real quick, Ron DeSantis, the governor signed legislation back in 2025, and in 2025, that he was saying, this is a protect children against sexual crimes. 22:12.032 --> 22:12.513 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, great. 22:12.553 --> 22:14.653 [SPEAKER_04]: We don't want children to be victims of sexual crimes. 22:15.413 --> 22:20.275 [SPEAKER_04]: What he was doing was this new law allowed for the death penalty. 22:21.847 --> 22:31.195 [SPEAKER_04]: to be used in cases of child sexual abuse where the child their victim was under 12 years of age. 22:31.475 --> 22:31.716 [SPEAKER_04]: All right. 22:32.316 --> 22:37.961 [SPEAKER_04]: So first state to have this where we're looking at anything other than murder, 22:41.275 --> 23:04.561 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, where could be considered a capital case in the United States, this law directly contradicts and defies the current US Supreme Court precedent that was established in Kennedy versus Louisiana, which prohibits capital punishment for non homicide crimes. 23:07.431 --> 23:11.652 [SPEAKER_04]: This will be a deliberate challenge to that, to that, really. 23:12.812 --> 23:31.837 [SPEAKER_04]: And so the reason why I bring this up is because currently in Florida, we have two cases where the state attorney general are as moved forward with the individuals being charged with sexual assault. 23:33.430 --> 23:33.750 [SPEAKER_04]: crimes. 23:34.310 --> 23:42.792 [SPEAKER_04]: And you know, I try to, for whatever, you know, whatever these are, these are the clearly horrible act. 23:42.832 --> 23:53.615 [SPEAKER_04]: So like the, currently in Seminal County, grand jury has indicted an individual, continual Rodriguez. 23:55.974 --> 24:17.140 [SPEAKER_04]: on 69 counts, including sexual battery, six counts of gluten, molestation of a child, five counts of loot exhibition, 50 counts of possession of material, depicting sexual conduct by a child, and promoting our six counts of promoting sexual performance by a child. 24:17.160 --> 24:17.540 [SPEAKER_03]: So how's that? 24:18.300 --> 24:36.452 [SPEAKER_04]: The reason why this is important is we have this case, for example, in Seminole County, where the assistant state attorney has brought charges against Indian Rodriguez and plans to seek the death penalty. 24:36.772 --> 24:40.695 [SPEAKER_04]: And there are a whole lot of indictments against Rodriguez here. 24:43.524 --> 24:44.225 [SPEAKER_04]: 69 counts. 24:44.245 --> 24:59.229 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's two counts of sexual battery on a child under 12, 6 counts of lood molestation of a child under 12, 5 counts of exhibition, 6 counts of promoting sexual performance and 50 counts of possession of material. 24:59.269 --> 25:05.771 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot here against, um, rhetoric is obviously a horrible situation. 25:07.451 --> 25:08.872 [SPEAKER_04]: But what's what's interesting 25:11.014 --> 25:19.341 [SPEAKER_04]: when the Santas went ahead and created this law. 25:19.701 --> 25:29.149 [SPEAKER_04]: He did something that was very interesting and this has been worked on for a long time in Florida and I'm trying to get this past. 25:30.410 --> 25:33.312 [SPEAKER_04]: So the initial house bill, 1297 in Florida, 25:35.986 --> 25:41.311 [SPEAKER_04]: allowed prosecutors to seek the death penalty, or life in prison, right? 25:41.371 --> 25:45.275 [SPEAKER_04]: So there's an option for the sexual abuse of a child under 12. 25:45.395 --> 25:57.286 [SPEAKER_04]: However, unlike murder cases where a unanimous jury is required, this law requires only an eighth of four recommendation for a death sentence. 25:58.686 --> 26:12.032 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's, you know, they're trying really hard to find ways to make it easier to execute people for an expanded range of crimes. 26:12.152 --> 26:13.432 [SPEAKER_04]: So it's like we're going. 26:15.173 --> 26:19.517 [SPEAKER_04]: backwards and terms of the way the way we're punishing people. 26:19.757 --> 26:31.448 [SPEAKER_04]: We're expanding the ease at which it is to give a death penalty for us to no longer supposedly need unanimous decision from the jury is very different for only eight to four. 26:32.029 --> 26:35.292 [SPEAKER_04]: They're making it very easy for for folks to execute one another. 26:35.865 --> 26:37.386 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm, uh, I'm just bananas. 26:37.466 --> 26:38.427 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm afraid of this. 26:39.728 --> 26:40.789 [SPEAKER_02]: I fear this. 26:40.909 --> 26:45.733 [SPEAKER_02]: I fear that like this Supreme Court will rule on this and say, hey, this is okay. 26:46.574 --> 26:48.695 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and it's like a state's rights thing. 26:48.735 --> 27:01.866 [SPEAKER_02]: They can choose their own crimes to execute people for and, you know, states especially, uh, more Republican lead ones will expand those crimes to make it impossible to 27:03.308 --> 27:12.667 [SPEAKER_02]: to make it, you know, impossible to fight back against, you know, corrupt law enforcement, like a whole bunch of things. 27:13.982 --> 27:14.442 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah. 27:14.582 --> 27:28.246 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the same people who are all about maintaining the second amendment and second amendment and having the, oh yeah, what about the tyrannical government argument, they won't be able to even protest the tyrannical government coming after them. 27:28.406 --> 27:30.547 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they never protest the tyrannical government. 27:30.567 --> 27:32.347 [SPEAKER_03]: They love the tyrannical government. 27:32.788 --> 27:37.009 [SPEAKER_03]: They, yes, they hold the flag and the tyrannical government will come after me. 27:37.289 --> 27:37.849 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 27:38.809 --> 27:39.049 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 27:39.630 --> 27:39.850 [SPEAKER_04]: So. 27:40.950 --> 27:42.392 [SPEAKER_04]: So that's that's the news out of Florida. 27:42.412 --> 27:52.867 [SPEAKER_04]: We're obviously going to do white crap because this as these go as these two cases move forward with these individuals that have been charged with. 27:56.052 --> 28:22.990 [SPEAKER_04]: with, you know, all of these different crimes related to, you know, sex abuse against children under the age of 12, we're going to need to see what the outcome is and in terms of, obviously, if they get convicted and then if they get the death penalty, if it's recommended, and obviously it will, those will be appealed and it will make its way up to the Supreme Court. 28:24.448 --> 28:45.611 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like because it bucks the Kennedy decision from years ago, yeah, it's like they're trying to get it to go up to the Supreme Court because it's like they're trying to absolutely are trying to get it to the Supreme Court like this is a case of baiting, especially with like the eight to four jury recommendation that's absurd. 28:46.332 --> 29:14.787 [SPEAKER_03]: right like yeah um yeah is that used for anything ever the eight to four jerry because I never heard of that no it's a unanimous jury well so we should wrap one a little quick thing I have one other quick piece of news I want to be able to who Eric we lost your mic again we should wrap it up here nothing changed 29:16.870 --> 29:17.831 [SPEAKER_04]: All right, go ahead and wrap it up. 29:18.911 --> 29:19.151 [SPEAKER_02]: Huh. 29:21.313 --> 29:23.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think we should probably 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