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nice message and wants to talk to you, and how worry you Josh? 09:09.831 --> 09:11.913 [SPEAKER_02]: dude, I'm a little winded right now. 09:11.933 --> 09:15.035 [SPEAKER_02]: There's a long climb down from a mountain Olympus, you know, a lot of steps. 09:15.495 --> 09:17.697 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, well, dude, I mean, I'm not surprised. 09:17.737 --> 09:19.758 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, dude, listen to me. 09:20.399 --> 09:23.881 [SPEAKER_01]: You have to admit, you have to be when we first met on all of them years ago. 09:24.422 --> 09:25.963 [SPEAKER_01]: I said you're the future, and I was right. 09:26.323 --> 09:26.924 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, great. 09:27.284 --> 09:28.625 [SPEAKER_02]: It's totally accidental, though. 09:29.203 --> 09:29.763 [SPEAKER_01]: Fuck you. 09:29.783 --> 09:31.244 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not specfilly. 09:31.384 --> 09:33.105 [SPEAKER_01]: It was specfilly, it was specfilly, it was specfilly. 09:33.125 --> 09:33.885 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't call you the matter. 09:33.905 --> 09:35.046 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a little bit of a slating of fuckers. 09:35.386 --> 09:43.109 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was seriously, I mean, you really did put yourself in a position of, you know, great trust in yourself. 09:43.149 --> 09:46.651 [SPEAKER_01]: You like a bet on yourself in regards to how you were perceived. 09:46.671 --> 09:49.932 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the old heads were just like, what the hell is this guy doing? 09:50.112 --> 09:51.533 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just doing some stuff that ain't right. 09:51.853 --> 09:55.455 [SPEAKER_01]: But now, I mean, I see pictures of you with Steve Schwarz, he calls you his son. 09:56.055 --> 10:07.958 [SPEAKER_01]: You got a David Lish and you got John, you got Jason, now you got all these heavy duty guys They're putting arms around you and welcome you with open arms and it's definitely great It's been really great. 10:08.138 --> 10:08.998 [SPEAKER_02]: It's been really great. 10:09.058 --> 10:10.018 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's nice. 10:10.398 --> 10:19.421 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm continuing to try to do Whatever I want to do, I guess in some of its out of laziness to be honest with you It's like why should I you know why should I clean that bolster up? 10:19.481 --> 10:21.221 [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of like it the way it is I like 10:21.972 --> 10:29.514 [SPEAKER_02]: I like I love like fire marks and you know fire edge textures and like why should I erase the stuff that I love the most? 10:30.054 --> 10:32.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I love I love the stuff before it's done. 10:32.734 --> 10:34.375 [SPEAKER_02]: When it's done I don't love it so much. 10:34.535 --> 10:36.395 [SPEAKER_02]: In the process is where the love is. 10:36.615 --> 10:37.355 [SPEAKER_01]: That's here. 10:37.375 --> 10:38.675 [SPEAKER_01]: You're sculptor. 10:38.695 --> 10:40.436 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hard. 10:40.516 --> 10:41.836 [SPEAKER_01]: We talked about it a million times. 10:42.296 --> 10:44.477 [SPEAKER_01]: I was funny because this weekend I was with my sister. 10:44.517 --> 10:45.437 [SPEAKER_01]: My sister is one of the. 10:46.197 --> 10:51.080 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not just because she's my sister, she's a very, very sophisticated curator and she invited me. 10:51.160 --> 10:58.183 [SPEAKER_01]: We went to, there's this kind of famous historical landmark organization in the Hudson Valley. 10:58.223 --> 10:59.604 [SPEAKER_01]: It's called the Thomas Cole House. 11:00.124 --> 11:05.507 [SPEAKER_01]: And Thomas Cole was one of the real pioneers of the Hudson River School of Painting. 11:06.127 --> 11:11.114 [SPEAKER_01]: where it was very a part of the early days of an American painting. 11:12.055 --> 11:16.160 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's been on the board since it started, and she's been on a board for a long time. 11:16.901 --> 11:22.287 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's really interested in the historic lack here, but she's also a very knowledgeable art. 11:23.068 --> 11:31.592 [SPEAKER_01]: and it was so much fun talking art with her because, you know, a lot of art, a lot of just talking about art isn't always just the things you see. 11:31.672 --> 11:33.112 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just trying to make connections. 11:33.853 --> 11:37.394 [SPEAKER_01]: And when you said that, you get lazy. 11:37.434 --> 11:38.675 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're being nausea about it. 11:39.055 --> 11:49.859 [SPEAKER_01]: But I understand because a lot of times when you're in an artist or your sculptor, you have to get to a degree of maturity where you're just like, I'm doing this because this is the way I want to do it as opposed to, 11:52.218 --> 11:52.998 [SPEAKER_02]: a, exactly. 11:53.839 --> 11:59.201 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, as you're going, it's like, it's not going to get better than what happens, right? 11:59.221 --> 12:06.405 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, what happens is interesting and you have to appreciate that and decide how much of it you want to keep or if you want to keep all of it. 12:06.465 --> 12:07.785 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where I'm coming from. 12:07.805 --> 12:16.649 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like stuff happens, accidents happen, things surprising things happen and when I'm surprised, it's like, I want other people to be surprised when they see it 12:21.187 --> 12:22.988 [SPEAKER_02]: bit the way I feel like it should be done. 12:24.550 --> 12:47.626 [SPEAKER_01]: You feel as though now you've had even a sculptor for a long time just to give the quick back story as your father was he immigrated to the United States and became a very high-level professor at the Rhode Island School of Design, which is as far as I'm concerned as the top of the food chain of art schools and not just these co-st United States, and to be a professional art professor at 12:49.027 --> 13:02.157 [SPEAKER_01]: at the most, the great, I mean, the Harvard of art schools and for you to live in a house where, as we've said a million times, as you know, there was a table saw on the kitchen and you were constantly, your mom was carving on the bed and you were, there was fun. 13:02.557 --> 13:04.979 [SPEAKER_01]: All the time, there was art making all the time. 13:05.419 --> 13:10.503 [SPEAKER_01]: You were like, you were like the Jalen Brunson of Art because I mean, it's like, you grew up around it. 13:10.603 --> 13:16.027 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you were able to like, you know, Jalen Brunson's dad was a Nick and he showed he gave him the key to the keys to the, 13:16.407 --> 13:28.336 [SPEAKER_01]: He showed how to get to there, and I feel as though you almost had like a better start as being an artist because you got, you got to be able to kind of create with great teachers early on. 13:28.917 --> 13:34.381 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder, now that you're at a certain age, and we're at a similar age, I think. 13:35.062 --> 13:35.642 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you 508? 13:36.663 --> 13:37.744 [SPEAKER_01]: You're only 508? 13:37.824 --> 13:38.004 [SPEAKER_01]: 508? 13:39.305 --> 13:42.107 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you look, you look five years younger than me. 13:42.299 --> 13:45.821 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I got a beard now, I'm on board with a neck beard club. 13:45.901 --> 13:47.401 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got a cup of those. 13:47.942 --> 13:48.682 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a cup of those. 13:48.722 --> 13:49.342 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a cup of those. 13:49.442 --> 13:50.603 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to try that. 13:51.063 --> 13:55.825 [SPEAKER_01]: I will without you with the exception of getting ozepic or face work done or both Botox. 13:56.226 --> 14:01.088 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I can do to keep myself looking decent is get a haircut once in a while and not grow a beard. 14:01.128 --> 14:02.529 [SPEAKER_02]: You grow a beard in probably two weeks. 14:02.549 --> 14:04.350 [SPEAKER_02]: You probably will be too much long. 14:05.590 --> 14:06.430 [SPEAKER_01]: I look terrible. 14:06.731 --> 14:08.011 [SPEAKER_01]: I look at your old man. 14:08.071 --> 14:08.691 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it. 14:09.172 --> 14:16.915 [SPEAKER_01]: I have to, my, my, my days of vanity are, are around, are the simplest and, you know, the most natural possible. 14:16.955 --> 14:18.256 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't, I can do all of that. 14:18.476 --> 14:19.216 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about that. 14:19.616 --> 14:20.197 [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting. 14:20.217 --> 14:21.337 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're 58. 14:22.197 --> 14:34.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you feel as though as you have progresses an artist, do you feel like you're happy with the evolution of your work or how do you feel about how you've evolved as an artist looking back at all your work? 14:35.259 --> 14:38.601 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I still make a lot of things I hate all the time. 14:38.941 --> 14:39.261 [SPEAKER_01]: Really? 14:39.361 --> 14:39.702 [SPEAKER_02]: Hate it. 14:40.102 --> 14:40.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hate it. 14:41.483 --> 14:43.083 [SPEAKER_02]: Somebody else might love it, but I hate it. 14:43.364 --> 14:45.285 [SPEAKER_02]: So it'll never be seen if I hate it. 14:46.205 --> 14:48.046 [SPEAKER_02]: And it happens all the time. 14:48.086 --> 14:53.369 [SPEAKER_02]: You get the inspiration, you get the idea, and you go through the process, and sometimes the outcome is not. 14:54.290 --> 14:57.311 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of its expectation versus outcome, which is a tough thing. 14:57.512 --> 15:02.915 [SPEAKER_02]: And I fight that all the time, because as I said before, sometimes the outcome is better than the expectation. 15:03.235 --> 15:03.475 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 15:03.741 --> 15:10.346 [SPEAKER_02]: But it really depends on the specific thing that I'm talking about, which I could give you examples. 15:10.366 --> 15:13.148 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I recently went after a tree of life design. 15:13.188 --> 15:18.872 [SPEAKER_02]: And I decided to go more literal in Damascus, you know, for a knife or whatever, pizza wheel. 15:20.294 --> 15:25.017 [SPEAKER_02]: And it just was, it was pushing the literal little further than I normally do. 15:25.097 --> 15:29.741 [SPEAKER_02]: I like to keep it really abstract so that it's just an interpretation of an idea. 15:29.761 --> 15:30.161 [SPEAKER_02]: But I went, 15:30.558 --> 15:57.992 [SPEAKER_02]: I decided let me do this literally because it's an idea I played with for years and I really didn't like it I didn't really like it and I couldn't learn to love it and I've got a lot of steel some of it I've shared and some of it I've finished but it's not something I'm really proud of and it but along the way I learned how I could do it better and literal like even more literal like pushing that even further to the extreme 15:58.857 --> 16:03.523 [SPEAKER_02]: of of a drawing and steel and now I haven't gone through that process. 16:03.563 --> 16:08.349 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I know how I can actually do that and iterate on it and make it really exciting. 16:09.003 --> 16:10.644 [SPEAKER_02]: So that'll be in the future. 16:11.265 --> 16:13.266 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really glad you, I'm really sorry for everything. 16:13.286 --> 16:16.028 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really glad that you said that in terms of some things that you don't like. 16:16.668 --> 16:23.553 [SPEAKER_01]: It's taken me a long time to make very, very tough opinions about the way my work went. 16:24.373 --> 16:29.437 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that I wouldn't have done these giant lures if I felt 16:29.997 --> 16:42.063 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you, you know, so if, you know, no, I mean, when I was in a hot, hot, hot one is in college, I was mostly a welder, but we had to do a class where we had to take something small and make a big, so I was doing a lot of fishing so I made a giant or a polar. 16:42.663 --> 16:53.989 [SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, friends of my family were like, oh, I love one of those, and all of them, those next thing you know, it became like something that people wanted, and I was encouraged to make them. 16:54.489 --> 17:00.554 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, it was like almost like a receipt to show my father who was very disapproving and me being an artist. 17:01.275 --> 17:06.219 [SPEAKER_01]: And I used as people showed interest and wanted to buy them and was commissioning me. 17:06.679 --> 17:10.523 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd constantly tell my father, I sold two lures today, I sold them in the lower last week. 17:10.563 --> 17:12.144 [SPEAKER_01]: And they weren't expensive. 17:12.164 --> 17:17.649 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they were like sub 500 bucks, you know, some of them were small and they were like 100 bucks, some of them were big and they were like 300 bucks. 17:18.388 --> 17:24.331 [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw the lures, and I like doing them, and I just didn't do the same one over and over again. 17:24.351 --> 17:25.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I was constantly kind of evolving. 17:26.232 --> 17:38.377 [SPEAKER_01]: But when it took me about like 30 years to realize that the only reason why I went down that road was to prove to my father that I could be a working artist. 17:38.978 --> 17:40.518 [SPEAKER_01]: And that the fact that I could sell them, 17:42.179 --> 17:47.683 [SPEAKER_01]: became the proof that I didn't make a bad decision. 17:48.304 --> 17:50.726 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting now because I still have lures in the house. 17:50.746 --> 17:55.990 [SPEAKER_01]: I have one luer in the house that I love and probably that's the one I'll probably never get rid of. 17:56.430 --> 18:01.194 [SPEAKER_01]: I actually have a galerist coming down to look at my works soon to look at some of the old work. 18:01.534 --> 18:05.478 [SPEAKER_01]: But the interesting thing is is like I know that if I had the support of my father, 18:06.358 --> 18:12.160 [SPEAKER_01]: I would definitely not have continued the giant fishing lure sculpture round. 18:12.500 --> 18:14.280 [SPEAKER_01]: I would have gone in a much more free direction. 18:14.420 --> 18:22.402 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's the road not taken and as you get older and you reflect, you think about the road not taken, which is on rip it off, rather frost on that. 18:22.902 --> 18:23.923 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's true. 18:23.983 --> 18:24.543 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a truth. 18:24.683 --> 18:26.923 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's what could have been. 18:27.364 --> 18:32.665 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what leads people to amazing results is not necessarily completely under the control. 18:33.355 --> 19:00.836 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the road you take is the road, you know, there's this idea about Do you has choice real and I don't know the this is sort of philosophical, but it's choice really real like Always get to make choices where you think you made the choice but maybe you didn't and that's true now more than ever Because choices are being made for you by AI and by technology and you think you're making a choice and you're being bamboozled all the time But still the outcome can be amazing 19:01.567 --> 19:11.633 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, why did a, you know, a Georgio Keefe paint these things or why did Picasso do this particular style and kind of almost gets stuck in it to some extent. 19:12.113 --> 19:13.814 [SPEAKER_02]: It became their thing, right? 19:15.275 --> 19:17.136 [SPEAKER_02]: These artists were an Andy Warhol. 19:17.437 --> 19:26.502 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not really deep with, you know, art history and you could name any any artists from any time in the past and you look at their work and it's very consistently 19:30.417 --> 19:33.279 [SPEAKER_02]: which is redundant, but it's the same thing. 19:33.359 --> 19:37.243 [SPEAKER_02]: It's their style and you recognize it and are they stuck in that as the question. 19:37.783 --> 19:38.924 [SPEAKER_01]: And can you depart from that? 19:39.064 --> 19:41.646 [SPEAKER_02]: You see, you see artists trying to depart from their style. 19:42.187 --> 19:44.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, for example, music is a good example. 19:44.028 --> 19:47.711 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, your favorite band does something like, you know, they do like it. 19:47.991 --> 19:50.073 [SPEAKER_02]: That your favorite metal band does a rap. 19:50.605 --> 19:54.387 [SPEAKER_02]: rap song or they collaborate with some rap artists is like what the fuck is this? 19:56.649 --> 20:12.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that brings us to an interesting topic too because you know the funny thing is is like I haven't decided to I you know I feel as though art you know as an artist is a weren't long working artists I think it's important for there to be a degree of consistency of where things came from 20:13.498 --> 20:22.702 [SPEAKER_01]: And I even saw some of my old work from the 90s, my sister's place, one of my first few bluers I hadn't even, I didn't even realize I had done them, they were just so kind of wacko. 20:23.242 --> 20:30.585 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I've always felt as though it's really important to kind of have receipts in regards to where you come from. 20:30.745 --> 20:35.007 [SPEAKER_01]: And the funny thing is when I talk about being at Fader Nives in the Knife making, 20:35.627 --> 20:40.312 [SPEAKER_01]: I look at the knives and I don't really see a huge difference between the lures and the knives. 20:40.332 --> 20:44.436 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's this contrast between the color and the material. 20:44.917 --> 20:50.403 [SPEAKER_01]: You have these hooks which represent the steel versus the body of the wood, the handle versus the knife. 20:50.783 --> 20:58.913 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this kind of connection, and they're all both directional, and they're both they're too a degree craveable by the customer. 20:59.213 --> 21:02.938 [SPEAKER_01]: I always thought the lures were one of those things where the fish don't give a shit. 21:03.258 --> 21:10.727 [SPEAKER_01]: It's when you're in, if you when you're in the Walmart or you're in the fishing store, and you go to the repolis section, they have these great names, and they have these great. 21:11.167 --> 21:29.218 [SPEAKER_01]: They have these great shapes and colors and they make these awesome noises and just like that things going to kill that things going to kill and I used to really the name is really important me because I always felt like it was really more for the buyer than anything else and then to me the sculpture and the knives I don't really see a huge difference in regards to it's just a different variation. 21:29.436 --> 21:33.737 [SPEAKER_02]: What's funny you see that because within the context of lures, the lures are actually to catch the people. 21:33.997 --> 21:34.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right. 21:35.397 --> 21:35.837 [SPEAKER_01]: That's right. 21:35.857 --> 21:47.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I had to come up with some, I had to come up because I got rejected from a number of galleries who thought it was like, who referred to it as like two naive, naive work and little too commercial. 21:47.540 --> 21:52.541 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I would talk about fishing, I would say, well, you know, the thing about fishing is this is half bullshit, half real excited. 21:53.161 --> 21:55.283 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like defend the word for a certain degree. 21:55.683 --> 22:04.530 [SPEAKER_01]: I say, you know, when you go fishing, the whole thing is there's this the morning of or the day before the morning of, there's this real optimism because you don't necessarily know it's going to happen. 22:04.590 --> 22:16.680 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're loading up your tackle box and you're looking at all the lures and you're getting ready and there's this incredible degree of optimism because you could do really well or you could do, you can be terrible and it's this like there's this sense of optimism about it. 22:17.320 --> 22:26.924 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's interesting, I think it's interesting, because I think about, like, especially this week, and I think about, like, Pat Quinn, I talked to Pat Quinn all the time, we'll have Macon on soon rather later. 22:27.444 --> 22:29.365 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think about Thomas Cole, who I just saw. 22:29.845 --> 22:37.768 [SPEAKER_01]: And the, what, it's interesting thing is talking about Thomas Cole and him moving to, to, he was originally, he was all over the place. 22:37.788 --> 22:43.210 [SPEAKER_01]: He was painting in the early days in Europe and now he came to the Hudson Valley. 22:43.710 --> 22:51.294 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting how the place really kind of made a real connection to the work. 22:51.354 --> 22:54.916 [SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden the work of the work evolves based on the place that they are. 22:55.236 --> 22:58.358 [SPEAKER_01]: And Pat, I've been saying this forever that it's been like such a remarkable thing. 22:58.378 --> 23:03.620 [SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to talk to my sister about it, saying, you know, I've been falling Pat for like, you know, I'd say 12 years or something. 23:03.660 --> 23:10.604 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I've seen how his work has changed based on the places that you've been from Carbondale to Florida, New York to John's Town and how. 23:11.024 --> 23:32.702 [SPEAKER_01]: the environment has changed his work, and I think that's one of the great things about Instagram is you're able to kind of follow the evolution of an artist, same thing with John Arionney, same thing with Cliff Doughton, and for you, for sure, seeing your work evolve from I remember, I'll never forget the whale knife, and then the B-52 bomber knife. 23:33.382 --> 23:35.183 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember, I tell you what I remember. 23:35.203 --> 23:39.104 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember you were on with Toby Morrell on his podcast. 23:39.144 --> 23:41.265 [SPEAKER_02]: That was my very first actually podcast. 23:41.305 --> 23:46.747 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was trying to talk to you about that, figure out what the hell's going on here. 23:47.227 --> 23:49.668 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like swimming for his life. 23:49.708 --> 23:51.329 [SPEAKER_01]: His nose is just above the water. 23:51.729 --> 23:53.810 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just shred and water on that one. 23:53.830 --> 23:57.031 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was really, really funny, but at the same time he did a good job. 23:57.531 --> 23:59.492 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember that from that moment to now, 24:03.275 --> 24:11.882 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's been great, it's kept the fire lit and I always say if I wasn't doing that, I'd be doing something else because I'm always doing something. 24:12.823 --> 24:14.064 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to, I'm compelled. 24:15.845 --> 24:21.009 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's one of you were saying about the, I've lost my train of thoughts suddenly. 24:21.810 --> 24:21.970 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. 24:21.990 --> 24:23.531 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 24:23.892 --> 24:25.853 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's call Pat Quinn. 24:26.093 --> 24:26.874 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, the place. 24:26.934 --> 24:30.257 [SPEAKER_02]: So you were saying it's hearing about Pat Quinn being in John's town, 24:32.372 --> 24:57.071 [SPEAKER_02]: really an amazing place and I I said it and I I want I thought it was a compliment, but I don't think it came off that way But John's town reminds me of the place I grew up in Vermont Which was a had been a sawmill Town you know basically the whole town was there because there was a sawmill and that's where everybody worked and the guy that ran the sawmill was a friend of my father's Because artists are like that they made runs with the people that have construction guys 24:58.384 --> 25:25.586 [SPEAKER_02]: And he had the biggest house and my dad did a couple of lions on his driveway like full-sized full-scale concrete lions up on a pedestal, but you know that that industry died so I'm no burnt down and it just had become like this place like a lot of America frankly if you travel around a lot of the industry's gone and the people just still there and I said it in a way I thought was complimentary because to pat into a couple of guys that came to interview me 25:26.641 --> 25:48.890 [SPEAKER_02]: That were from a local newspaper down there and I said it reminds me of like America But from 40 years ago from my childhood because it's like a lot of cricket roofs and Purchas that are falling down, but I've seen a lot of work not only pads influenced by the industry and the landscape there But I've seen other people who spent a lot of time In John's town at CMA who's work. 25:49.190 --> 25:53.472 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm also seeing like little hints of of that 25:57.753 --> 25:58.392 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just love it. 25:58.953 --> 26:09.299 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, for sure, I mean, the most, to me, the simplest way is to see, you know, his hammer design, his house hammer design changed from New York to John's tower. 26:09.820 --> 26:14.342 [SPEAKER_01]: It was originally in Carbondale to New York. 26:15.043 --> 26:20.766 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like very cheeky, you know, like very long, very long drawn out forged peens. 26:21.427 --> 26:27.870 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there was, you know, you had the access to the, you know, the pooch, which is the material moving from the inside and moving out in, 26:29.011 --> 26:48.227 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you set you then you had the the cheeks that were clearly you know forged heavy cheeks and you know It was almost it almost looked like and don't nobody kill me It almost looked more like a Swedish hammer to me than you know an American style hammer and then when you move down to John's town I have one of you I have both from each I have from both places 26:48.827 --> 27:10.612 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, he did all this research based on the place and it informed how he makes, and he makes this more American-style German-style industrial hammer where it's very, very slick and no, there's no frills and it's very like meant to be used and it's not really like, you know, it's not about what I can do and I think that I think it's, it's very direct. 27:11.232 --> 27:19.474 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's an elegance to it, but it really is cool to see how artists are informed by their place, you know. 27:19.494 --> 27:21.294 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a beautiful place. 27:21.854 --> 27:25.335 [SPEAKER_02]: I love going down there because like I said, it gives me an nostalgia. 27:26.095 --> 27:31.136 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, you still see kids running around, no cell phones, on bikes, little gangs, a kids. 27:32.376 --> 27:32.816 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 27:32.856 --> 27:34.256 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just very charming. 27:34.496 --> 27:38.637 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how I think pets got in the costume tour because he's from the big city and it's like, 27:39.518 --> 27:46.063 [SPEAKER_02]: What a change to move to a place like that, for somebody with his mindset and experience. 27:46.323 --> 27:49.345 [SPEAKER_02]: But he's made an amazing place there. 27:49.445 --> 27:54.849 [SPEAKER_02]: Anybody who should see or knows about CMA, you should definitely take a class. 27:55.390 --> 28:03.916 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the Cambria iron conferences coming up, I think, September, September, recommend you go down there, whether you're participating or not. 28:05.558 --> 28:26.510 [SPEAKER_01]: and just experience it because it's it's really fantastic and I always have links in all the show notes there they're standard links to CMA so if you're listening to this podcast and you want to know more about CMA there's always a link to Center for Menlarts and which is a you know dear place to me and Josh we were both for fortunate enough to be instructors there which is 28:27.871 --> 28:47.417 [SPEAKER_01]: really really cool but interesting talking about place you know Japan just got back from Japan you were gracious enough to know that you know how's the jet lag and I'm just I think I've just coming over the problem is as it comes out I'm taking I'm going up Spain work it up at a quarantine kitchen I've 28:48.297 --> 28:50.078 [SPEAKER_01]: You kind of have to ask him about the jet lag. 28:50.138 --> 28:54.619 [SPEAKER_01]: Jet lag is for real 13 hours is no joke. 28:54.679 --> 28:55.199 [SPEAKER_01]: It's mad. 28:55.719 --> 29:00.081 [SPEAKER_01]: It's mad and it's like your guts are fucked up for a while and everything's all kind of fucked up. 29:00.401 --> 29:03.602 [SPEAKER_02]: I went two years ago when the impression on me was so strong. 29:05.162 --> 29:05.642 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me more. 29:06.002 --> 29:07.143 [SPEAKER_02]: It was just an amazing trip. 29:07.163 --> 29:10.624 [SPEAKER_02]: My son's been over there for, I think he's going on six years and wow. 29:11.324 --> 29:13.825 [SPEAKER_02]: He's come back a couple of times and we were planning the trip. 29:15.257 --> 29:25.506 [SPEAKER_02]: different to have them come again, but we're like, why don't we go there and just like see how you live and how you, you know, what's your apartment like and what's your life like and we went over there and we flew JAL. 29:26.146 --> 29:30.330 [SPEAKER_02]: So the Japanese Airlines, which if you go to Japan, I recommend it. 29:30.350 --> 29:34.213 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that's how you flew, but just the best early. 29:34.473 --> 29:34.754 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:34.994 --> 29:43.201 [SPEAKER_02]: And everything you've talked about and I've heard you talking about Japan a little bit, the cleanliness, the food, the the culture. 29:45.663 --> 29:59.854 [SPEAKER_02]: how different everything is, but one of my first impressions of Japan actually when I got off, you know, got to the airport, took the train into the area where my son lives, which is themed after Monchichi, which is crazy. 29:59.874 --> 30:02.696 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I saw a couple Monchichi's, that's at old 80s. 30:03.296 --> 30:04.957 [SPEAKER_01]: My wife was looking for Monchichi's. 30:05.157 --> 30:07.199 [SPEAKER_02]: But the whole town is themed after Monchichi's. 30:07.802 --> 30:12.905 [SPEAKER_02]: But everything, the sewer caps, the railings, the arcs, it's the strangest thing. 30:12.925 --> 30:19.168 [SPEAKER_02]: And every little area of Japan has this whimsy about it, it's themed after some Japanese cultural icon. 30:19.188 --> 30:22.971 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not even necessarily that serious, because Monchichi were not that serious. 30:22.991 --> 30:26.172 [SPEAKER_02]: They were kids toyed from maybe the 80s and they were cute. 30:26.212 --> 30:28.754 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a boy on a girl, I think. 30:29.294 --> 30:35.798 [SPEAKER_02]: But in the case, my first impression was a four-story building in Japan is like a two-story building here. 30:36.763 --> 30:38.864 [SPEAKER_02]: Godzilla was only like a hundred feet tall. 30:39.704 --> 30:41.184 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't even thought about it. 30:41.464 --> 30:42.745 [SPEAKER_02]: I was looking at these buildings. 30:43.125 --> 30:46.546 [SPEAKER_02]: The stories are like maybe nine feet per story. 30:46.966 --> 30:52.848 [SPEAKER_02]: So you've got like a six story building where you'd have like a here you'd have like a you know in the US you'd have like a three story building. 30:53.568 --> 30:56.409 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the scale of the place was just weird. 30:56.469 --> 30:59.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the modern part obviously is more standardized. 30:59.650 --> 31:02.190 [SPEAKER_02]: You know the skyscrapers and the towers and whatnot. 31:03.271 --> 31:04.571 [SPEAKER_02]: Just the immensity of the place. 31:05.292 --> 31:15.980 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I felt like Tokyo was like New York City times four, but not just times four in terms of the footprint, but it's like four high and four deep. 31:16.900 --> 31:34.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the subway, there's like four different levels of the subway and they have like Gucci and Prada in the subway and like fancy places to eat and things to do and then you could then you go up and it's the same thing and I felt like people could live their whole lives on levels. 31:35.262 --> 31:41.507 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's interesting you say that because my daughter is a my daughter's studying there Yeah, she's coming home soon. 31:41.527 --> 31:45.351 [SPEAKER_01]: We're really happy about especially with all the earthquakes and though She want to come to us. 31:45.371 --> 31:46.051 [SPEAKER_01]: She want to get out. 31:46.071 --> 31:46.872 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's ready. 31:46.992 --> 31:47.492 [SPEAKER_01]: She's ready. 31:47.633 --> 31:48.253 [SPEAKER_01]: She's ready. 31:48.693 --> 31:54.298 [SPEAKER_01]: She's going to have a she's going to only have like five weeks before she has to start her senior year anyway So she's just ready, you know, but she'll go back. 31:54.318 --> 31:55.059 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about 31:56.300 --> 31:58.121 [SPEAKER_01]: We're all going to go back to, and I'll be for sure. 31:58.141 --> 32:20.880 [SPEAKER_01]: But what was interesting, because she's a urban environmental studies major, she was just talking about how they really design the train system to be efficient as possible, but there's also grocery stores and really clean grocery stores in the subway station to give people the convenience of being able to kind of take the train home and then stop 32:21.801 --> 32:31.606 [SPEAKER_01]: get some groceries and then jump back on the train and they're really very thoughtful in regards to how they navigate the, how people navigate there. 32:32.306 --> 32:47.734 [SPEAKER_01]: Where, so back to Monchiches for the listeners, Monchiches were like a plush toy with, I remember it like a plastic face and it looks mixed a mix between a monkey and like fox or something like that. 32:47.754 --> 32:48.254 [SPEAKER_01]: So the 32:48.694 --> 33:09.667 [SPEAKER_01]: The nose is very pointed and they had songs and then cartoons and it was pretty hot for like a couple of years and in United States, but it was like a it was like a plush toy with a plastic face and It is hilarious how there are these there was this section of I was called I forgot the name of it, but we went to this area where they're known for 33:10.848 --> 33:27.502 [SPEAKER_01]: the cat shrines and it were like stores selling cats with one paw up and they'll hope the paw that's up is waving in the good luck and stuff like that and everything is every yeah it's totally iconic it's everything is cat themed and so where's your son in Japan now? 33:28.603 --> 33:31.245 [SPEAKER_02]: He's in Tokyo he's it's and I think it's called Farakawa 33:32.059 --> 33:32.759 [SPEAKER_02]: is where he was. 33:32.799 --> 33:36.201 [SPEAKER_02]: We stayed in the sacroside, which I think is where you stayed. 33:36.221 --> 33:36.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:36.521 --> 33:37.822 [SPEAKER_01]: No, we weren't, we weren't codo. 33:37.982 --> 33:40.824 [SPEAKER_01]: We were in codo city, but we were in a sacroside lot. 33:41.044 --> 33:44.026 [SPEAKER_01]: We were in a sacroside, probably the most. 33:44.186 --> 33:44.906 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great place. 33:44.946 --> 33:48.888 [SPEAKER_02]: My son recommended it because there's a lot of shrines and you could walk and there's lots of restaurants. 33:49.188 --> 33:49.408 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:49.589 --> 33:52.570 [SPEAKER_02]: And like you said, the subway system was just amazing. 33:52.610 --> 33:54.691 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just used Google Maps the whole time. 33:54.731 --> 33:55.892 [SPEAKER_02]: It says, you know, start walking. 33:56.192 --> 33:58.214 [SPEAKER_02]: go down into this subway, get on this train. 33:58.714 --> 34:01.276 [SPEAKER_01]: What platform is coming when you're on the train? 34:01.316 --> 34:02.017 [SPEAKER_02]: It's still worked. 34:02.477 --> 34:04.219 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a get off here and you got off. 34:04.279 --> 34:06.221 [SPEAKER_02]: Go up here, go over this way and you get up. 34:06.421 --> 34:07.782 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it was so easy. 34:07.822 --> 34:08.923 [SPEAKER_02]: We rode the high speed train. 34:08.943 --> 34:10.244 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you had a chance to do that. 34:10.284 --> 34:11.345 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you didn't have a chance to do that. 34:11.365 --> 34:12.246 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you didn't have a chance to do that. 34:12.266 --> 34:14.448 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those things are freaking crazy. 34:14.668 --> 34:16.730 [SPEAKER_02]: I was in Tokyo. 34:16.770 --> 34:17.790 [SPEAKER_02]: We went to Kyoto. 34:18.871 --> 34:21.554 [SPEAKER_02]: We went to Osaka and we went to Misaasa. 34:22.795 --> 34:25.117 [SPEAKER_02]: In the south, east or west, I can't remember, 34:25.922 --> 34:30.363 [SPEAKER_02]: We were the only foreigners there and everybody was looking at us like, why are you guys here? 34:32.063 --> 34:43.045 [SPEAKER_02]: And we went there for the, just to see a little bit of kind of real Japan, I guess, old Japan, and they had the onsen, you know, you got to get naked for that. 34:43.425 --> 34:44.245 [SPEAKER_02]: That was a loud. 34:44.385 --> 34:45.886 [SPEAKER_02]: That was an interesting experience. 34:46.666 --> 34:47.106 [SPEAKER_02]: Really? 34:47.366 --> 34:52.287 [SPEAKER_02]: Me and my grown-ass son, taking our clothes off, 34:55.543 --> 34:58.984 [SPEAKER_02]: It was weird, but not weird. 34:59.004 --> 34:59.645 [SPEAKER_02]: It was natural. 34:59.665 --> 35:03.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Then he gave me a bunch of marital advice inside the hot water. 35:03.466 --> 35:06.187 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, you know, we all need marital advice here and there. 35:06.685 --> 35:25.851 [SPEAKER_01]: I tell you what, there was a one-on-son opportunity, my wife was, she went, we got a real con, which is a hotel, and in the bottom of these, a real con is like a kind of classic Japanese hotel experience, or life experience, you take your shoes off and you're on to Tommy Mats as soon as you walk in the lobby, you put your shoes in, you know, in this area. 35:25.871 --> 35:28.792 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, it was about the shoe thing, man, you got to fuck around with the shoes. 35:28.952 --> 35:41.542 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like it at all so so but so they didn't answer in the bottom and the answer It's supposed to be a hot spring and there's a section for men and section for women And there's a sign saying no tattoos in my wife was just like well, you know You know you can cover them up. 35:41.562 --> 35:49.008 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like I don't know how I'm gonna cover mom I mean, I don't have to wear like I mean, I might as well be wearing clothes I mean, both my arms are covered. 35:49.028 --> 35:50.510 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna be in there like a mummy 35:51.370 --> 36:08.427 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I said, well, let me just go check out the, I'll just go check out the area before and I look, I walk into the, into the changing room and there was this like kind of hazy glass door and there was this Japanese guy sitting with his legs in the onsen and he had his hands on his hips. 36:09.168 --> 36:10.509 [SPEAKER_01]: and he was staring at me. 36:10.709 --> 36:12.170 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just through a glass door. 36:12.190 --> 36:17.833 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like through a glass door with his dick halfway in the water. 36:18.073 --> 36:28.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he like, like a fucking, I'm like, this dude was like, he was staring a hole in me, and I'm like, and there was this dirt, it was not a dirty look, it was a very like matter-fact look. 36:28.880 --> 36:33.022 [SPEAKER_01]: But I felt like, I felt like he spoke so much. 36:35.043 --> 36:38.046 [SPEAKER_01]: with one look and I think it was just like, oh, you're not getting it here. 36:38.206 --> 36:39.767 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I hope he's not coming over here. 36:39.947 --> 36:40.908 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, wasn't it? 36:40.948 --> 36:41.649 [SPEAKER_01]: You didn't want to say it. 36:41.689 --> 36:44.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Hope he was like, you're not coming to hear big dog. 36:45.251 --> 36:49.175 [SPEAKER_01]: He had his fucking, he had his dog halfway out of the water. 36:49.615 --> 36:51.456 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah, it's all right. 36:51.797 --> 36:52.197 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm good. 36:52.377 --> 36:53.178 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not covering up. 36:53.698 --> 36:58.584 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so that we missed that and then all of a sudden, you know, Hillary's just going, you know, we couldn't do it. 36:58.884 --> 37:02.929 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, it's, they don't want you to, they don't want the tattoo, because it's because it's the accusation thing. 37:03.210 --> 37:11.840 [SPEAKER_01]: I just found out that they don't like something the reason why they don't wear sunglasses is because people who wear sunglasses are attributed to being accuser. 37:12.020 --> 37:16.023 [SPEAKER_02]: If you ever walk around Japan, no one's wearing sunglasses, they don't want to think people think they're mithugs. 37:16.243 --> 37:17.183 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not different here. 37:17.243 --> 37:20.365 [SPEAKER_02]: You see somebody inside sunglasses, you're like, what does that guy? 37:20.846 --> 37:21.666 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like there. 37:21.966 --> 37:22.987 [SPEAKER_02]: Not like there. 37:23.007 --> 37:23.848 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like there. 37:24.848 --> 37:31.312 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, it's hard to describe all this stuff like to have not experienced it to people that are listening. 37:31.353 --> 37:32.914 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's very different. 37:32.954 --> 37:36.436 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, we stayed at a real con, a traditional. 37:36.636 --> 37:37.476 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, they would, 37:38.833 --> 37:43.355 [SPEAKER_02]: attention to us was incredible, you know, they would come in and they would turn the beds down. 37:43.395 --> 37:48.578 [SPEAKER_02]: They would come in and set everything up and the meals were the food experience. 37:48.598 --> 37:49.458 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd ear a foodie. 37:49.498 --> 37:52.259 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe I've heard you talk about it. 37:52.279 --> 37:53.060 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you loved it. 37:53.340 --> 37:58.002 [SPEAKER_02]: And for me it was like, if I don't eat, I'm not going to make it the next to the next day. 37:58.222 --> 37:59.463 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to make it to tomorrow. 37:59.483 --> 38:01.343 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to eat whatever gets put in front of me. 38:02.104 --> 38:04.885 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was breakfast lunch and dinner was basically for me. 38:05.365 --> 38:06.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Was the the same thing. 38:07.522 --> 38:17.866 [SPEAKER_02]: There's like some dehydrated fish and some pickled this and some pickled that and just it was so different for me I couldn't say I loved it But I would do it again. 38:17.906 --> 38:19.747 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have have an aversion to it. 38:19.787 --> 38:25.109 [SPEAKER_02]: I even tried the What's that fermented soybean and they put notto as notto? 38:25.469 --> 38:30.471 [SPEAKER_02]: I tried notto terrible on a challenge from my Sun's friend who thought I would be 38:37.147 --> 38:42.451 [SPEAKER_01]: One of my closest friends from college, my old roommate Miles, some damn I get him on here. 38:42.471 --> 38:47.435 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a guy like... No, he used to say to me, he used to call me fades. 38:47.875 --> 38:51.778 [SPEAKER_01]: Because when I was in college, I was cooking for everybody all the time. 38:51.798 --> 38:55.021 [SPEAKER_01]: I was making food in our kitchen for people. 38:55.561 --> 38:58.043 [SPEAKER_01]: I love cooking for people at the time, and he's his fades. 38:58.363 --> 39:00.545 [SPEAKER_01]: Some people live to eat, and some people eat to live. 39:00.925 --> 39:01.886 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I eat to live. 39:01.986 --> 39:03.207 [SPEAKER_01]: You're you're an eat to live guy. 39:03.327 --> 39:04.728 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming to eat to leave. 39:04.928 --> 39:10.771 [SPEAKER_01]: I've become an eat to live guy I don't really consider myself a food anymore because it's too exhausting It's rare. 39:10.811 --> 39:13.253 [SPEAKER_02]: I find something that I actually like it mostly. 39:13.293 --> 39:15.815 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just all that you actually like that. 39:15.855 --> 39:20.918 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually like it's rare I you know you get this and it's always disappointing especially when you eat out 39:21.548 --> 39:23.789 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I do this shit better, this is fucking terrible. 39:25.090 --> 39:31.893 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, is my opinion of Japan, and all the travel we've done, it was hard to find a bad meal in Japan. 39:32.033 --> 39:50.502 [SPEAKER_02]: There were no bad meals, nothing was revolting, it was very much, again, I went to very ethnically, you know, like specific places that were very Japanese, and believe me, we found a burger joint within two days, being in the Sakusa, and then we went to Osaka, we found a pizza 39:51.303 --> 39:52.624 [SPEAKER_02]: because we stay there for a few days. 39:52.664 --> 39:53.664 [SPEAKER_02]: We found some comfort. 39:53.704 --> 39:54.885 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you gotta have your comfort. 39:55.065 --> 39:55.625 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. 39:55.686 --> 40:00.628 [SPEAKER_02]: People come to this country and they set up their own restaurants because people want, what's from home? 40:00.708 --> 40:02.529 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, I grew up in a Portuguese neighborhood. 40:02.569 --> 40:06.872 [SPEAKER_02]: And they had the Portuguese bakery, that the Portuguese market, they had the Portuguese restaurants. 40:07.532 --> 40:11.134 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like that, you know, because they wanted to have that comfort. 40:11.234 --> 40:17.578 [SPEAKER_02]: And even though I was there for two weeks myself, you know, the adventure was great, but I was kind of like over it. 40:17.618 --> 40:18.539 [SPEAKER_02]: I just want like a burger. 40:21.086 --> 40:50.127 [SPEAKER_01]: and like my American stuff like uh... give me some pasta is fried eggs like i want breakfast to be like fried eggs and bacon nut dehydrated fish over like a bonson burner well yeah then that was we did have a few meals like that and and i liked the i liked the uh... i liked the novelty of it because the food the this type of japanese food you're not going to get united states i mean all the sushi places all the sushi places around us now 40:50.727 --> 40:52.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Or all nobody's even Japanese there. 40:52.948 --> 40:55.370 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, you know, just doesn't taste the same. 40:55.510 --> 41:01.193 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, so we're so, and I'm really excited because my daughter comes home with there's an Asian market now. 41:01.273 --> 41:09.477 [SPEAKER_01]: We went there before she left and we were kind of like, we stood, we stood forever in the soy sauce sauce, because we didn't know what the hell to do is a awful soy sauce. 41:09.937 --> 41:23.847 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm excited because she's like, you know, she's, I don't know about she referred herself as fluent, but she can get a lot and she's been practicing Japanese for like three years and now she's been doing like, you know, very extensive and when she took us around, it was really cool. 41:38.238 --> 41:38.638 [SPEAKER_02]: We need it. 41:38.718 --> 41:43.179 [SPEAKER_02]: We were totally dependent on him to explain things and to tell us how to behave. 41:43.720 --> 41:48.261 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the quietness on the train, not crossing your legs on the train. 41:48.721 --> 41:49.561 [SPEAKER_02]: There's all these rules. 41:49.581 --> 41:50.101 [SPEAKER_02]: We had no idea. 41:50.241 --> 41:51.862 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't stop in the middle of the sidewalk. 41:51.882 --> 41:58.263 [SPEAKER_02]: How to say, excuse me when you bump into somebody because it does happen because you're a tourist and you're looking at your phone and you're distracted. 41:58.764 --> 42:03.565 [SPEAKER_02]: So we had a lot of support from him to tell us how to act. 42:04.500 --> 42:11.582 [SPEAKER_01]: but it isn't that amazing as a parent to see your child kind of blossom someplace and then show you their world. 42:11.902 --> 42:12.522 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely. 42:12.702 --> 42:24.005 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the, I mean, that's to me is like it's like that it's Nirvana to me that my daughter now is of the age where she's can create her own world and then she gets to be the tour guide for me to show her how she lives. 42:24.025 --> 42:26.986 [SPEAKER_02]: Because to tell you how it is, like do that. 42:27.126 --> 42:27.726 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go here. 42:27.786 --> 42:29.347 [SPEAKER_02]: This is how we're going to get to train tickets. 42:29.967 --> 42:31.587 [SPEAKER_02]: Your parent has a lot of really cool stuff 42:34.302 --> 42:40.729 [SPEAKER_02]: You go to take the subway, you can't just go down there and put your credit card machine like they're protecting cash, which I think is really phenomenal. 42:42.231 --> 42:47.637 [SPEAKER_02]: Very peculiar because here, like a lot of places, it's all just plastic. 42:48.632 --> 42:52.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, everybody is paying, I mean, it's been two years since you've been there. 42:52.634 --> 42:55.536 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everything now is you're paying with that with the eye wallet. 42:55.956 --> 42:56.616 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you everything? 42:56.636 --> 42:57.197 [SPEAKER_01]: You're using apps. 42:57.437 --> 42:58.397 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, we were using it. 42:58.417 --> 43:06.561 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was the easiest way to get on the train, because all you have to do is hold your phone up to the phone up to the, uh, to turn style and it would, like, monitor where you are. 43:06.581 --> 43:09.483 [SPEAKER_02]: What the purchase, the ticket, could you, could you purchase it with a credit card? 43:09.683 --> 43:18.270 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just, I was just loading up on the I-Wall at the, I had the, the sweet card, the sweet card is the card that uses like the Metro card for Japan. 43:18.690 --> 43:21.773 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you, all loaded up directly from, you know, the I-Wall. 43:21.793 --> 43:24.455 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a pretty, that was a pretty comfortable situation. 43:24.475 --> 43:26.657 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was paying for everything with my phone. 43:26.957 --> 43:30.400 [SPEAKER_01]: However, we did bring a lot of cash and the cash was definitely worth, I'm glad we did. 43:30.420 --> 43:30.840 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 43:31.341 --> 43:34.903 [SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised at how, how, how strong the dollar was. 43:34.943 --> 43:36.084 [SPEAKER_01]: That was pretty surprising. 43:36.445 --> 43:37.185 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely. 43:37.666 --> 43:38.066 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, 43:38.430 --> 43:58.962 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm ready to talk shit, you talk shit already on your, you talk shit on the, so we've got to talk about Japanese toilets, man, dude, this is my favorite subject, and I'm not a shit talker, but after my trip to Japan, I'm a total shit talker, I like talking about shit all the time, he's Japanese toilets, start with the airplane. 43:59.242 --> 44:02.604 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's roll it back a couple of years before I went to Japan. 44:09.132 --> 44:15.593 [SPEAKER_02]: And you walk into the room and the toilet knows that you're in the room because it starts doing shit and I would like what the fuck is going on in here. 44:16.453 --> 44:24.515 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, then you sit down and it starts doing more shit like gurgling and priming for whatever you're going to do and I did not touch any buttons. 44:25.015 --> 44:26.155 [SPEAKER_02]: I did more normal thing. 44:26.795 --> 44:35.516 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think over a couple of days of being there and I started pushing some of the buttons and what happened, you know, I knew where the stop what button was, that's important with these things. 44:35.997 --> 44:37.977 [SPEAKER_02]: So whatever's happened and you can always hit stop. 44:39.362 --> 44:50.788 [SPEAKER_02]: This started on my trip to Japan, it was on the airplane, Japanese Airlines, and so clean, no dribble on the floor, you know, wet tissues stuck to the wall, right? 44:50.808 --> 44:53.950 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you go into these airlines in it, so like it's filthy. 44:53.970 --> 44:55.371 [SPEAKER_01]: Disaster, yes, I would. 44:55.751 --> 45:01.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we took American Airlines and then by the end of the end of the flight, the one bathroom got tore up. 45:02.095 --> 45:02.855 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, tore up. 45:02.935 --> 45:04.456 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, what are people doing in here? 45:04.616 --> 45:08.338 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you just act like a fucking chimpanzee. 45:08.798 --> 45:23.595 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't even think that's an insult to chimpanzees, but uh, so Japan had that they had that and on the airplane, you go to a public restroom, same thing, and to describe it, if you don't know what it is, well you know what it is, but generally people don't know what it is. 45:23.935 --> 45:27.379 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a bidet, but it's more than that, you got 45:27.729 --> 45:47.471 [SPEAKER_02]: three levels of he didn't want at least the one I bought because when I got back from japan oh you bought one off of course ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 45:50.017 --> 45:55.485 [SPEAKER_01]: If I had a second, if we had another bathroom, I would do it, it would already have been done. 45:56.987 --> 45:57.828 [SPEAKER_02]: You've got to do it. 45:58.128 --> 46:04.917 [SPEAKER_01]: So for those wondering, so it's, there's a water spout that's hooked to the bottom of the seat. 46:05.798 --> 46:21.281 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are, first things first, as soon as you show up to Japan, if you don't have Google Transsel in your phone, you're kind of screwed in the bathroom because you have to hit, you have to kind of do, you, the cool thing about Google Transsel, you take a picture of the, of the symbols, and then it's going to tell you what it is. 46:22.022 --> 46:27.963 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's, there's, there's one for your ass, and then there's one for your, under his carriage, right? 46:28.663 --> 46:46.475 [SPEAKER_01]: But they don't what they don't tell you is there you have there is a stop too So if you press the one for your at your but hole you got to be able to turn you had to hit stop at some point because I don't eat what you'd think like everything else like it would just slowly just stop at you know after a while You have to press the stop button. 46:46.495 --> 46:47.896 [SPEAKER_01]: You know know which is the stop button. 46:47.956 --> 46:50.118 [SPEAKER_02]: I like water jet will carve you a new one 46:50.581 --> 46:59.523 [SPEAKER_01]: What I was amazed at is, yeah, and then there's the pressure, how much to, how much to, how much to shoot, what I was amazed at is how accurate it was. 47:00.063 --> 47:05.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I didn't, I was trying to move it around and see it a few times. 47:05.785 --> 47:07.905 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like directed every single time. 47:07.925 --> 47:13.327 [SPEAKER_01]: That was, that was what was the most, like is there some sort of like cameras, or some sort of, 47:14.067 --> 47:25.635 [SPEAKER_01]: How do I know how they figure their targeting system out because because it was like directed every time and then there's different pressures There's different heats of water It was a pretty amazing. 47:25.675 --> 47:26.756 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a amazing situation. 47:26.776 --> 47:28.537 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't forget pulsating oscillate. 47:29.097 --> 47:31.779 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I didn't get it at pulsating oscillate Into the erotic here. 47:31.819 --> 47:37.403 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't want to go there, but look and then there's the dryer Oh, I didn't get the dryer. 47:37.423 --> 47:38.384 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get the dryer one. 47:38.444 --> 47:39.544 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I just got a dryer. 47:39.744 --> 47:41.305 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's the home version 47:44.028 --> 47:45.409 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's tucked up under there, man. 47:45.429 --> 47:47.610 [SPEAKER_02]: You hit drier, if I can drive you out. 47:47.890 --> 47:50.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you have to, how did you, what did you have to hook, when you hooked it up? 47:50.892 --> 47:52.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you have to hook it up to like a compressor or something? 47:52.793 --> 47:55.054 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it's got its own built-in system. 47:55.134 --> 47:56.014 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like a fan? 47:56.115 --> 47:58.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you just TN for the water connection. 47:58.036 --> 47:58.956 [SPEAKER_02]: This is plumbing talk. 47:59.356 --> 48:00.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, TN. 48:00.237 --> 48:01.337 [SPEAKER_02]: Just TN to the water feed. 48:01.377 --> 48:03.038 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just a T, very simple. 48:03.098 --> 48:08.641 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you need a ground fault circuit interrupt, which is standard electrical stuff for the bathroom. 48:08.661 --> 48:09.862 [SPEAKER_02]: So if it's too far away, 48:10.350 --> 48:12.631 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to run an extension cord because that's absurd. 48:12.651 --> 48:14.171 [SPEAKER_02]: So you might have to add yourself a plug. 48:14.651 --> 48:16.512 [SPEAKER_02]: But I thought about selling this shit door to door. 48:16.552 --> 48:17.112 [SPEAKER_02]: That's how I felt. 48:17.492 --> 48:20.813 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I live in a, I have the worst. 48:20.953 --> 48:24.774 [SPEAKER_02]: I have the Sanford and Sun's house in Barrington, Rhode Island. 48:25.115 --> 48:27.355 [SPEAKER_02]: With Barrington, Rhode Island is like Newport, Rhode Island. 48:27.395 --> 48:29.156 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a lot of people with a lot of money. 48:29.576 --> 48:35.138 [SPEAKER_02]: And I got a house that's just fucking Sanford and Sun's because of the way I operate my life. 48:35.478 --> 48:36.798 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I, you know, I'm working. 48:36.938 --> 48:37.798 [SPEAKER_02]: I got shit everywhere. 48:38.039 --> 48:39.159 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get shit. 48:40.228 --> 48:43.970 [SPEAKER_02]: So, what, I was thinking these people need to know about this. 48:44.070 --> 48:46.032 [SPEAKER_02]: And I could probably take this thing around. 48:46.052 --> 48:47.713 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I could do a live demo. 48:47.853 --> 48:48.934 [SPEAKER_02]: That would be spectacular. 48:49.674 --> 48:51.535 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like a whole system. 48:51.895 --> 48:54.317 [SPEAKER_02]: But you sit here, push these buttons, fool. 48:55.017 --> 49:00.121 [SPEAKER_02]: But I was like, this could be a total sales thing. 49:00.341 --> 49:01.281 [SPEAKER_02]: I got other things to do. 49:01.321 --> 49:04.103 [SPEAKER_02]: But I told some young kid about he was all excited. 49:04.223 --> 49:06.445 [SPEAKER_02]: One of my sons ran, he was like, I could do that. 49:06.585 --> 49:07.085 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's do it. 49:08.613 --> 49:33.510 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, there's a few cleanliness things that I want to kind of talk about only because, you know, when I was, you know, I talked about it in the last episode, I kind of mentioned a knife talk to is one of the reasons why everything's so clean is because there's no garbage cans and the reason why there's no garbage cans is because in 1994, the death cult Armstrong Rikio, I think you say that, I remember this, you probably remember I do remember the, it was the, um, Ryzen. 49:34.010 --> 49:55.726 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was like rice and are saringass and they put these bombs and they've garbage cans until you killed 19 people You know the and the old motherfuckers got send it to death Peace and then the and then the government just we just like all right no garbage cans So there's not a garbage can site and I was thinking of that was the reason but then I was I was kind of watching some other Reels and regards to cleanliness 49:56.507 --> 49:59.449 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were talking about the difference between a temple and a shrine. 49:59.489 --> 50:02.151 [SPEAKER_01]: A temple is Buddhist, a shrine is Shinto. 50:02.631 --> 50:06.014 [SPEAKER_01]: You're talking about the Shinto religion, and one of the Shinto religion things is there. 50:06.494 --> 50:12.718 [SPEAKER_01]: You see, it's more like a philosophy than a religion, but there's hundreds of gods in their gods everywhere. 50:13.119 --> 50:17.842 [SPEAKER_01]: And the natural world is filled with gods, and everything they see could be a god, a rock. 50:18.122 --> 50:41.030 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, and you think it'd be a God and they're kind of always watching you and you how you pit how you kind of respect them is that you just kind of clean up after yourself and keep things clean like even I was even looking between the sidewalk and the buildings usually where it's like shit out you know like if you're walking the city look the connection between the building and the sidewalk it is disgusting. 50:41.090 --> 50:42.811 [SPEAKER_02]: You could hide over there and you could do whatever. 50:43.261 --> 50:44.862 [SPEAKER_01]: It's clean, everything's clean. 50:45.022 --> 50:54.449 [SPEAKER_01]: It's immaculate, you know, everything is immaculate, but a lot of it's more cultural than just the fact that they, you know, will know, but more bombs. 50:54.829 --> 51:00.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Your garbage, I didn't know until you said that that it had something to do with some connection to that rice and attack. 51:01.293 --> 51:08.478 [SPEAKER_02]: But my conclusion before I, you said that was that it was strategic in that your garbage is your garbage. 51:09.310 --> 51:09.530 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 51:09.570 --> 51:16.655 [SPEAKER_02]: If you make garbage, you're going to carry that shit all all day until you can dispose of it in a appropriate place. 51:17.095 --> 51:18.236 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if there's no garbage. 51:18.256 --> 51:19.677 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how Tokyo functions. 51:20.257 --> 51:23.440 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the population is, I'm my millions. 51:23.460 --> 51:24.700 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's 30 million people. 51:25.181 --> 51:25.381 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 51:25.681 --> 51:27.542 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's no, you don't see a dumpster. 51:28.263 --> 51:29.564 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how this thing works. 51:29.724 --> 51:31.685 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you don't see a dumpster. 51:31.745 --> 51:33.266 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't smell a dumpster. 51:35.888 --> 51:38.650 [SPEAKER_02]: The way of trash removal is imperceptible. 51:39.180 --> 51:54.870 [SPEAKER_01]: in perceptible that you don't see people we were there for ten days we didn't see a day or people putting garbage in the street well you know garbage bags in the street you know what happens when you see a trash can't hear all due to it's not in the garbage it's not in the garbage it's next to the garbage 51:59.148 --> 52:12.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Craig Lockwood has a famous street in Wales where everyone gets bombed and there is a garbage can that once is filled over, they make a like a basically like a sand dune of garbage on top of it. 52:12.903 --> 52:18.169 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's the most garbage you've ever seen in your life and it's like disgusting. 52:19.229 --> 52:21.690 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I was saying the same thing, Hillary. 52:21.750 --> 52:28.111 [SPEAKER_01]: There was one point where we were walking through one of the street vendors in Asakusa. 52:28.131 --> 52:42.755 [SPEAKER_01]: And this woman, this guy was closing his, closing his shop and he obviously had his garbage bags kind of tied up and everything that, this woman tried to slip her garbage like a banana peel or who know, it's something small into the bag. 52:43.675 --> 52:47.596 [SPEAKER_01]: She, he fucking grabbed her and told her to pick it, get it out. 52:48.776 --> 52:53.597 [SPEAKER_01]: Get it out and she can grab her, but he like, oh, and he pulling it back at the guy. 52:53.617 --> 52:55.817 [SPEAKER_01]: She already put it into the garbage bag. 52:55.977 --> 52:56.217 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 52:56.717 --> 53:04.699 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as she's walking like, oh, and then she pulling it, she came back dug but into the garbage and took her shit back. 53:04.839 --> 53:07.059 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, they don't fuck around. 53:07.079 --> 53:09.600 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they don't fuck around. 53:09.640 --> 53:09.760 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 53:09.780 --> 53:11.360 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I did the thing that you do. 53:11.440 --> 53:12.280 [SPEAKER_02]: You go to Starbucks. 53:12.300 --> 53:14.760 [SPEAKER_02]: You get your coffee and then you're like drinking it. 53:14.780 --> 53:16.521 [SPEAKER_02]: You're walking around, which nobody else is doing. 53:16.541 --> 53:16.661 [SPEAKER_02]: Just 53:18.381 --> 53:24.846 [SPEAKER_02]: your people and everybody's looking at you and then you finish it and you're like, okay, let me I'll throw this in the next trash can. 53:25.186 --> 53:25.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Now here's the. 53:26.047 --> 53:30.270 [SPEAKER_02]: I carried Starbucks coffee and a bunch of other shit I garbage I made. 53:30.730 --> 53:35.794 [SPEAKER_02]: I carried it around for seven or eight hours until I got back to the hotel and then I got ready there. 53:36.755 --> 53:37.575 [SPEAKER_02]: So pretty amazing. 53:37.615 --> 53:39.477 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually had a had a funny experience. 53:39.497 --> 53:43.460 [SPEAKER_02]: I was standing late night with my wife and a friend of ours because we have friends in Japan. 53:43.480 --> 53:44.921 [SPEAKER_02]: They were students here in the 53:47.131 --> 53:50.773 [SPEAKER_02]: And we hadn't seen him for 30 years until I went to Japan. 53:50.813 --> 53:55.276 [SPEAKER_02]: We met up with her two friends, ones from Tokyo, the other ones from Osaka. 53:55.796 --> 53:56.476 [SPEAKER_02]: We met with them. 53:56.997 --> 54:02.980 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the four of us actually were standing out just having a conversation in a piece of paper blue by. 54:03.000 --> 54:06.202 [SPEAKER_02]: And we all looked at each other like, we all disowned it. 54:06.282 --> 54:07.623 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that was awesome. 54:07.703 --> 54:08.003 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi. 54:08.864 --> 54:10.124 [SPEAKER_02]: We all just looked at, it was a moment. 54:10.545 --> 54:14.487 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a strange moment because we all just looked at each other like, that's not my piece of paper. 54:14.941 --> 54:15.481 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that yours? 54:15.821 --> 54:21.723 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody disowned this piece of paper that just kind of floated by it in the wind because that's how clean it was. 54:21.743 --> 54:25.644 [SPEAKER_02]: You just don't see that and it's wheat phenomenal. 54:26.224 --> 54:27.465 [SPEAKER_01]: We brought dark shit bags. 54:27.485 --> 54:31.266 [SPEAKER_01]: We have always have rolls of dark shit bags all over the place for our dogs. 54:31.386 --> 54:32.646 [SPEAKER_01]: We brought a roll of them with us. 54:33.326 --> 54:41.328 [SPEAKER_01]: We got some use at it, but as funny enough is I remember when we were buying stuff or when we were getting something to eat. 54:41.508 --> 54:43.129 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember saying I don't want to carry that. 54:43.669 --> 54:44.830 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care that garbage. 54:44.850 --> 54:45.851 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a change in your situation. 54:45.931 --> 54:47.313 [SPEAKER_01]: My wife is like, do you want something? 54:47.333 --> 54:50.396 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, no, I only carry the garbage with me to rest today. 54:50.816 --> 54:51.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be good. 54:51.577 --> 54:52.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be good. 54:52.818 --> 54:56.501 [SPEAKER_01]: So, all of a sudden, my backpack is like filled with all the garbage from the guy. 54:57.062 --> 54:59.744 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the point is that you're burdened. 54:59.805 --> 55:00.525 [SPEAKER_02]: It's your garbage. 55:00.545 --> 55:01.546 [SPEAKER_01]: You made it, you own it. 55:02.067 --> 55:03.628 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were no garbage cans. 55:03.828 --> 55:04.809 [SPEAKER_01]: Like even the parks. 55:05.811 --> 55:06.292 [SPEAKER_01]: anywhere. 55:07.174 --> 55:08.497 [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't even put. 55:08.979 --> 55:13.891 [SPEAKER_01]: The other thing was I was trying to explain to Ben, was when you go to a restaurant, they didn't give you an app can. 55:14.942 --> 55:15.482 [SPEAKER_01]: You notice that? 55:15.502 --> 55:16.583 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I didn't notice. 55:16.703 --> 55:17.624 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't get an app. 55:17.704 --> 55:23.707 [SPEAKER_01]: When you sit at any restaurant in the United States, they'll give you a fork and a knife, a spoon, maybe, and then there's an app. 55:24.128 --> 55:25.629 [SPEAKER_01]: In Japan, they don't give you an app. 55:25.649 --> 55:28.010 [SPEAKER_01]: They're no napkins, and they're not giving you an app. 55:28.050 --> 55:29.231 [SPEAKER_01]: They're giving you that little white. 55:29.571 --> 55:30.432 [SPEAKER_01]: They're the little wet. 55:30.612 --> 55:31.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, they're wet. 55:31.292 --> 55:32.833 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, they're wet. 55:32.873 --> 55:42.159 [SPEAKER_01]: You're supposed to put on your face, you're not supposed to, you're supposed to kind of wash your hands, and then you keep a bio to kind of constantly dip your fingers and kind of like clean your fingers off on this wet ass rag. 55:42.579 --> 55:43.719 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're not getting any garb. 55:43.759 --> 55:46.661 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not, you're like, I'm thinking of myself, dude, I haven't been a big slob. 55:47.001 --> 55:54.744 [SPEAKER_01]: The big joke in the fader family is if you were to take, if you were to take our shirts and put them in a big pot of some big pot, you don't have the greatest soup of all time. 55:54.924 --> 55:58.285 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, we're such slobs and thinking, what am I going to do here? 55:58.305 --> 56:00.386 [SPEAKER_01]: I get you expecting to eat rice with chopsticks. 56:00.686 --> 56:02.607 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're not going to be in napkin, I am bone. 56:03.307 --> 56:06.768 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you're supposed to eat the rice, you eat the bowl of rice under your chin. 56:07.128 --> 56:11.110 [SPEAKER_01]: And then you kind of like, you try not to make a disaster 56:12.093 --> 56:15.816 [SPEAKER_02]: We had we had a chance we went to a traditional Japanese restaurant. 56:15.996 --> 56:21.419 [SPEAKER_02]: Sokusa I didn't know how traditional it was until I was told that whale was their specialty. 56:21.479 --> 56:37.330 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like oh my god that was past I was that was like I couldn't go there but and none of us did but a lot of other people did and I was like I don't know if I could do that and I feel bad about it culturally like whale is off the venue in America because although 56:41.387 --> 57:08.480 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... it you know industrial revolution where loyal right but that was taboo so i went there and it's still on the menu and i was like yeah and i was i that i once went to we once went to Montreal and my family is convinced that i'd had a i try i wanted to try horse and i just don't remember and i was like i don't what the fuck about and try horse for i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to eat horse and then she's there were like there were convinced i had horse and i was like 57:09.300 --> 57:14.103 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I was making it up because I just don't see myself wanting to have the desire to eat horse either. 57:14.123 --> 57:14.683 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the same thing. 57:14.723 --> 57:15.264 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the story. 57:15.304 --> 57:16.484 [SPEAKER_02]: But I would. 57:17.645 --> 57:24.109 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like a specialty and I was just like, let's see what it's like and when they were looking at me like it was scumb but they say I did I don't particularly remember. 57:24.129 --> 57:32.133 [SPEAKER_01]: But there wasn't anything that was too, too really gross that we had opportunity. 57:32.234 --> 57:37.877 [SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, I wouldn't say there was anything gross or offensive, it just was different to the point where. 57:38.417 --> 57:42.358 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't satiating in the way that things you were used to. 57:42.418 --> 57:44.499 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, who doesn't love a chicken nugget? 57:45.079 --> 57:47.080 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean... Do you know the chicken caragi? 57:47.300 --> 57:49.261 [SPEAKER_01]: The Japanese fried chicken isn't sad. 57:49.381 --> 57:51.061 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, I saw that. 57:51.081 --> 57:52.602 [SPEAKER_02]: That was like a 7-11 deal, right? 57:52.642 --> 57:54.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a fast... All of them. 57:54.342 --> 57:57.003 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, the fried chicken, Japan is crazy. 57:57.423 --> 57:58.284 [SPEAKER_01]: We did the bachi. 57:58.924 --> 57:59.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's funny. 57:59.444 --> 58:00.704 [SPEAKER_02]: They were like, what's her bachi? 58:00.824 --> 58:03.185 [SPEAKER_02]: I said to my Japanese friends, we want to go to her bachi. 58:03.205 --> 58:05.326 [SPEAKER_02]: They had no idea what I was even talking about. 58:05.596 --> 58:07.840 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like I went to Mexico and asked for a Chimichanga. 58:07.860 --> 58:08.601 [SPEAKER_02]: They looked at Rick. 58:08.922 --> 58:09.182 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 58:09.222 --> 58:09.603 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you want? 58:09.944 --> 58:10.324 [SPEAKER_01]: Bauranga. 58:10.344 --> 58:10.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 58:10.465 --> 58:10.825 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:10.845 --> 58:11.166 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:11.186 --> 58:11.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:11.486 --> 58:11.827 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:11.847 --> 58:12.108 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:12.128 --> 58:12.388 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:12.408 --> 58:12.709 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:12.729 --> 58:13.250 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:13.270 --> 58:13.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:13.670 --> 58:13.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:14.011 --> 58:14.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:14.291 --> 58:14.612 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:14.632 --> 58:14.912 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:14.953 --> 58:15.273 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:15.293 --> 58:15.894 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:15.914 --> 58:16.175 [SPEAKER_01]: Give me that. 58:16.195 --> 58:16.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:16.776 --> 58:17.096 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:17.116 --> 58:17.537 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:17.557 --> 58:17.838 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:17.918 --> 58:18.238 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:18.258 --> 58:18.579 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:18.599 --> 58:18.900 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:18.920 --> 58:19.180 [SPEAKER_02]: Give me that. 58:19.587 --> 58:42.062 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like complete babble to them and the same thing in Japan they were like we don't we don't know what that is I was like that's when they cook in front of you and they do the thing with the eggs and they throw the food at you So you know, they throw the food into your mouth and all that and it was it was not that it was very serious It was it was a it was performance, but it wasn't interactive and that's just we don't really know 58:43.935 --> 58:55.038 [SPEAKER_02]: a culture until we go there, even Italy, I think, I feel like you go to Italy and you think, I'm going to have some good Italian food and you order the chicken parm and I like what the fuck is that chicken parm in the menu. 58:55.138 --> 58:56.038 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I did what that is. 58:56.618 --> 58:59.979 [SPEAKER_02]: And you go there and you really experience the food the way it's supposed to be. 59:00.039 --> 59:01.400 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a beard of travel. 59:01.620 --> 59:12.883 [SPEAKER_02]: You just find out that you're kind of living in this illusion of, like you said about earlier about Japanese food, I was like, I went to recently went to a local Japanese 59:14.037 --> 59:22.739 [SPEAKER_02]: said, you know, I'd like sashimi because we had had sushi and I'd like sashimi which is I thought was where you put the fish on top of the rice. 59:22.779 --> 59:24.019 [SPEAKER_02]: He said, no, that's sushi. 59:25.039 --> 59:29.700 [SPEAKER_02]: So what the hell is the role? 59:30.000 --> 59:30.860 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea. 59:30.940 --> 59:34.301 [SPEAKER_02]: Now I'm completely of a tailspin on what sashimi is. 59:34.341 --> 59:35.401 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no clue now. 59:35.821 --> 59:38.581 [SPEAKER_02]: I have to study this thing so I can be informed. 59:43.062 --> 59:55.969 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the biggest problem, I think the biggest problem, I think that as a parent, I think the ability, it's not about getting your kid's stuff. 59:56.449 --> 01:00:01.572 [SPEAKER_01]: It's giving, I think travel is an underrated part of it, any education, it doesn't have to be school. 01:00:02.332 --> 01:00:11.557 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that giving kids the opportunity to see other places other than where you're used to gives them a real sense of adventure. 01:00:12.678 --> 01:00:18.281 [SPEAKER_01]: When I got married, we didn't have a lot of money. 01:00:18.301 --> 01:00:23.864 [SPEAKER_01]: She was a nursing student and I was going from welding jobs and welding jobs and stuff like that. 01:00:24.284 --> 01:00:26.105 [SPEAKER_01]: we didn't have my father just inherited me. 01:00:26.145 --> 01:00:26.925 [SPEAKER_01]: That's for another day. 01:00:26.945 --> 01:00:49.591 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we didn't there was no there wasn't like there wasn't any safety nets but when Lilo is on the way we really We really prioritized travel and we really felt that It was our duty to show her more parts of the world to the point where we were going to go to we're going to take her out of school to go to San Francisco for a what family wedding and we're going to go to early to see it 01:00:50.251 --> 01:00:56.399 [SPEAKER_01]: And a teacher said, that's not an acceptable excuse for excuse absence. 01:00:57.180 --> 01:01:07.652 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had to go to the principal and say, we invest in travel for our child, because we feel that that's an important part of her education. 01:01:08.192 --> 01:01:20.656 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the principal ended up talking to teacher and it was just like it was I can't even believe that I had to even say that and then she had another teacher and Wait, you know, so we go to we go to if we go we took her went to Europe. 01:01:20.676 --> 01:01:23.017 [SPEAKER_01]: We took her to Mexico We took her a few places in Europe. 01:01:23.037 --> 01:01:24.258 [SPEAKER_01]: We were standing in front houses. 01:01:24.298 --> 01:01:26.979 [SPEAKER_01]: We were doing it on the sheet We were we were in the back of the plane. 01:01:27.299 --> 01:01:32.681 [SPEAKER_01]: We were like, you know, we weren't this was we were doing everything we could to This was our one year thing. 01:01:32.701 --> 01:01:35.141 [SPEAKER_01]: We were not no birthday presents, no Christmas presents. 01:01:35.161 --> 01:01:36.322 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna go to you know 01:01:37.062 --> 01:01:44.308 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember we went to, where we go, we went to, we went to, we went to Stereo, the friends in England, and then we went to France for a couple of days and came back. 01:01:44.969 --> 01:01:53.515 [SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't for long, we never went on any trips longer than 10 days, just because Hillary's going to work, and I got to work, and we don't really just have the ability to just stop for a long period of time. 01:01:54.036 --> 01:01:57.599 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll never forget, we came back from the summer in Lila, was in the, 01:01:59.260 --> 01:02:06.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Guess she was in the fourth grade and they were asking all the students what they did for the summer in Lila's a fourth grade. 01:02:06.506 --> 01:02:07.406 [SPEAKER_01]: What was the fourth grade? 01:02:07.427 --> 01:02:08.748 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know what age is. 01:02:08.808 --> 01:02:09.268 [SPEAKER_01]: It was young. 01:02:09.348 --> 01:02:13.731 [SPEAKER_01]: So young kid and she said we just got back from from from from Europe. 01:02:13.772 --> 01:02:14.552 [SPEAKER_01]: We went to a France. 01:02:15.253 --> 01:02:20.977 [SPEAKER_01]: The teacher didn't believe her and called her said or she was lying. 01:02:22.198 --> 01:02:44.365 [SPEAKER_01]: Then when we, and when it was very upset when we came home and then there was a teacher meeting and I I take after my own my own man was he hated authority and he and I didn't get along But the one thing we did get was like when the teacher said something you didn't like You know you were just like defend your child to the you know bitter end whether or not right or wrong 01:02:44.905 --> 01:02:51.371 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember just being so furious, and then the woman said, you know, your daughter said, you went to Europe this summer. 01:02:51.431 --> 01:02:53.773 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just immediately said, yes, we did. 01:02:54.113 --> 01:02:57.836 [SPEAKER_01]: We prioritized travel as part of her upbringing and education. 01:02:57.877 --> 01:03:02.661 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was really, and she got taken aback because she just assumed that Lila had been lying. 01:03:03.301 --> 01:03:04.141 [SPEAKER_01]: which was crazy. 01:03:04.542 --> 01:03:13.705 [SPEAKER_01]: But that is something to be said about these little provincial places in in and around, you know, the United States where they don't prioritize travel. 01:03:13.765 --> 01:03:18.927 [SPEAKER_01]: It understands that it gives this sense of confidence. 01:03:19.407 --> 01:03:26.391 [SPEAKER_01]: our daughter would never have wanted to go to California if she didn't travel and see different places and want to be part of different places. 01:03:26.531 --> 01:03:32.575 [SPEAKER_01]: This decided to do a semester abroad in a very foreign place, and none of us had been to. 01:03:32.655 --> 01:03:33.916 [SPEAKER_01]: None of us had been Asia before. 01:03:34.516 --> 01:03:38.959 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that if you had those experiences that they've heard of, like you said, that you'll survive. 01:03:39.179 --> 01:03:40.420 [SPEAKER_02]: It will be awkward, 01:03:41.182 --> 01:03:42.423 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't have to be exotic. 01:03:42.443 --> 01:03:45.906 [SPEAKER_02]: I know we're talking about foreign travel, but you could go to the state next to you and have. 01:03:45.926 --> 01:03:46.486 [SPEAKER_02]: No, of course. 01:03:46.946 --> 01:03:48.127 [SPEAKER_01]: I think travel in general. 01:03:48.167 --> 01:03:51.510 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm not saying see other cultures that have travels. 01:03:51.670 --> 01:03:52.671 [SPEAKER_01]: It's important. 01:03:52.751 --> 01:03:56.874 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I work for a guy who had a welding company in our town. 01:03:57.494 --> 01:04:02.520 [SPEAKER_01]: and he was came from generations of living in this tower living. 01:04:02.861 --> 01:04:11.391 [SPEAKER_01]: And he had brothers and sisters who were older than me and were a 40-minute train ride from the city, straight shot. 01:04:11.952 --> 01:04:14.254 [SPEAKER_01]: We're 22 miles from New York City. 01:04:15.015 --> 01:04:18.596 [SPEAKER_01]: The thought of them, their thought of going into New York was like going to China. 01:04:18.897 --> 01:04:19.097 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:04:19.117 --> 01:04:25.179 [SPEAKER_01]: And there are a lot of people in this area who the thought of going into the big city is like going to a foreign country. 01:04:25.539 --> 01:04:29.361 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you don't fair, like your clothes don't look like other people's clothes. 01:04:29.381 --> 01:04:36.744 [SPEAKER_02]: Like culture changes so radically for one town to another, like your haircuts different, your your your styles different. 01:04:36.764 --> 01:04:38.044 [SPEAKER_02]: The way you behave is different. 01:04:38.444 --> 01:04:40.245 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just like inside of America. 01:04:41.104 --> 01:04:46.951 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's so important to have those experiences when you're young, especially, it's not, it's never too late. 01:04:47.591 --> 01:04:49.694 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to butcher a Mark Twain. 01:04:50.234 --> 01:04:50.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. 01:04:50.795 --> 01:04:51.956 [SPEAKER_01]: A tribute to the Mark Twain. 01:04:51.996 --> 01:04:52.997 [SPEAKER_01]: My listeners don't know. 01:04:53.077 --> 01:04:54.018 [SPEAKER_01]: My listeners don't know. 01:04:54.038 --> 01:04:54.999 [SPEAKER_02]: The way of that. 01:04:56.080 --> 01:05:01.927 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, what is the prejudice and bigotry of our, 01:05:03.562 --> 01:05:07.445 [SPEAKER_02]: A travel is fatal to prejudice and bigotry, something like that is a long term. 01:05:07.465 --> 01:05:08.226 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes a lot of sense. 01:05:08.466 --> 01:05:09.106 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's true. 01:05:09.226 --> 01:05:12.249 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you see how other people are, you're like, well, these people are not like us. 01:05:12.469 --> 01:05:19.954 [SPEAKER_02]: But they're people too, and they're having their lives and their families, and they're doing the same shit we're doing, ultimately, we're all the same. 01:05:19.994 --> 01:05:26.299 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's my conclusion about Japan, it's like, they're just doing what they do within the context of their culture, and it works for them. 01:05:26.819 --> 01:05:32.984 [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't work for us necessarily, you know, or work for Europeans or Indians or wherever. 01:05:33.532 --> 01:05:36.414 [SPEAKER_02]: But we have a lot of borrowed Japanese culture in this country. 01:05:36.574 --> 01:05:37.495 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't even know it. 01:05:37.995 --> 01:05:40.257 [SPEAKER_02]: Like 7-11 I found out was Japanese. 01:05:40.417 --> 01:05:40.998 [SPEAKER_02]: So what? 01:05:41.318 --> 01:05:42.539 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a Japanese company. 01:05:42.919 --> 01:05:46.942 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, I thought that was like the most American thing there was, right? 01:05:47.543 --> 01:05:48.123 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:05:48.183 --> 01:05:49.104 [SPEAKER_02]: 7-Electrics doors. 01:05:49.244 --> 01:05:50.425 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, this is American. 01:05:50.685 --> 01:05:53.067 [SPEAKER_02]: And my son was like, no, it's a Japanese franchise. 01:05:53.107 --> 01:05:54.168 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Japanese business. 01:05:55.228 --> 01:05:58.111 [SPEAKER_02]: Same way, he probably thinks Starbucks is Japanese. 01:05:58.131 --> 01:05:58.731 [SPEAKER_02]: They're everywhere. 01:06:00.881 --> 01:06:15.926 [SPEAKER_01]: One thing I'll say is what's interesting and I think a lot of people don't even realize this and you know I was I remember in 1976 when it was the was it the the by centennial of the United States I remember in 1976 so I was like three-ish or something like that. 01:06:15.966 --> 01:06:22.307 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember I remember the the the big deal that it was This is the 200th anniversary of the United States. 01:06:22.347 --> 01:06:22.968 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 01:06:22.988 --> 01:06:23.988 [SPEAKER_02]: We're coming up on one now 01:06:24.879 --> 01:06:39.568 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, what it's interesting is is like, because you talk about like how the Japanese culture deals with their thing, I mean the United States is still in its infancy as a country. 01:06:39.588 --> 01:06:46.472 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the currency, but it has more stability not for everyone, but for the people that matter. 01:06:47.517 --> 01:07:08.229 [SPEAKER_01]: No, of course, but in terms of the funny thing is is like, if you look at United States compared to Japan, is you have centuries and centuries and centuries of, of cultural, you know, building up culture and having, you know, what's expected of you kind of ingrained. 01:07:08.749 --> 01:07:08.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:07:09.490 --> 01:07:10.430 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked at a sword. 01:07:11.130 --> 01:07:33.543 [SPEAKER_01]: I looked at the sword the knife and sword that was the sword museum and there were knives that were 300 years older than the United States, you know, and it's just like the or the United States as it was, you know, as it was turned into, you know, not it wasn't it wasn't older than the landmass it was older than when the declaration of independence of sight. 01:07:33.843 --> 01:07:34.463 [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair. 01:07:34.863 --> 01:07:38.624 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though America is new, we have the cultural legacy that's just as old as everything else. 01:07:38.684 --> 01:07:52.968 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the people that are here, whether they're immigrants from Italy or Europe or Asia, they have the cultural legacy that's thousands to years old, but the country as a recognized independent nation is new. 01:07:53.865 --> 01:08:16.431 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll just, I don't know if I'm disagreeing with you or not, but I remember when I went to culinary school and we were going through all, and it was a very intensive, the cooking class and we were very intensive, and we would have very intense, you know, we didn't French cooking this time, and then Italian cooking, and then we went to the Asian Chinese and then the different, and when we came to American cuisine, and we were going to 01:08:16.631 --> 01:08:43.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Our professor said the interesting thing about American cuisine is there's only one type of cuisine that's considered indigenous to United States and that's Cajun food and he says in the crazy part is his Cajun food is from Spanish and Caribbean and you know, you know, our Cajun, you know, but it's, you know, it's all the food that is in the United States is not indigenous to United States. 01:08:44.806 --> 01:08:46.326 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, or it's indigenous. 01:08:46.427 --> 01:08:48.947 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's considered in terms of indigenous food. 01:08:50.468 --> 01:08:56.049 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's like it's such a, it's such an asterisk saying that it's not really. 01:08:56.309 --> 01:09:04.112 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's no really like, and if you go to, and so what's interesting is, like, especially when you talk about Japan, you're talking about like, 01:09:04.952 --> 01:09:09.978 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, they could, they can do the no garbage, like wherever you're going Japan. 01:09:10.018 --> 01:09:13.222 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like there's, there's only one area where there was a lot of garbage. 01:09:13.242 --> 01:09:17.206 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the Shinjuku area, which was kind of the time to explain it to. 01:09:17.306 --> 01:09:21.411 [SPEAKER_02]: In Japan, that were kind of a mess, but not that to that level, but there was. 01:09:21.451 --> 01:09:22.192 [SPEAKER_01]: But in general, 01:09:23.133 --> 01:09:42.953 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, there was an expectance, you know, even the subways, if you noticed that the subways and the trains, the seats were, I mean, they weren't wipeable, they were plush, like they wouldn't exist, that wouldn't exist in the United States, there would be like, in New York, I mean, there's always some sort of foreign liquid on the subway, you know, it's going to be like, bomb it on that, or. 01:09:43.153 --> 01:09:48.738 [SPEAKER_01]: vomit, yeah garbage, diarrhea, you know, whatever, you know, they made it. 01:09:48.778 --> 01:09:52.061 [SPEAKER_01]: So they don't they don't trust the New York commuter. 01:09:52.441 --> 01:09:57.386 [SPEAKER_01]: So there couldn't be a plush furry seat like there is in Japan. 01:09:58.086 --> 01:10:03.110 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but you also have an, you know, cultural expectations of behavior that's expected. 01:10:03.151 --> 01:10:05.713 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was talking to Marekko about it and he was wondering if it, 01:10:06.313 --> 01:10:16.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Breeds too much scrutiny like is it is it make is it make a greater culture But like for independent thinking or for independent behavior. 01:10:17.019 --> 01:10:33.149 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it is there is there is there too much scrutiny for being It stifles it it's type of it and we know that that's the that's the nail that sticks up gets hammered down That's a Japanese cultural reference and I believe it's something I've heard was said Japan You know 01:10:33.846 --> 01:10:39.210 [SPEAKER_02]: If you diverge or diverge from whatever the normal path is, you get hammered down. 01:10:39.910 --> 01:10:53.000 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, yeah, it would certainly stifle, but I guess it, you know, for an ant colony, which we are, we don't want to recognize that we're basically just ants, ultimately, as a culture, as a society, right? 01:10:53.500 --> 01:10:55.381 [SPEAKER_02]: It's for the good of the society. 01:10:56.122 --> 01:10:59.324 [SPEAKER_02]: We have a strong sense of independence and independent thinking, 01:11:01.110 --> 01:11:06.272 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna do this for my family and everything, but ultimately you're at a city full of people. 01:11:06.773 --> 01:11:09.834 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't just go off and do whatever the fuck you want. 01:11:10.194 --> 01:11:11.575 [SPEAKER_02]: Like I could go live in the woods. 01:11:11.795 --> 01:11:12.295 [SPEAKER_02]: So could you? 01:11:12.995 --> 01:11:13.856 [SPEAKER_02]: That's no good for me. 01:11:16.017 --> 01:11:17.237 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanna have health care. 01:11:17.277 --> 01:11:20.139 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanna have like the benefits of being a modern human being. 01:11:20.719 --> 01:11:23.000 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's conformity as real, whether 01:11:23.715 --> 01:11:26.436 [SPEAKER_02]: we acknowledge it, culturally or not. 01:11:27.316 --> 01:11:37.899 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, conformity is one thing, but the idea of being the good conformity is one thing, but in Japan, they have this philosophy of not being a burden to others. 01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:47.122 [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost more like, it's more like freedom, but taking responsibility for actions in here that's certainly not the case. 01:11:50.303 --> 01:11:54.505 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, high school kids take bottles and just throw them in the street by my house. 01:11:54.766 --> 01:11:55.566 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm serious though. 01:11:55.606 --> 01:12:06.812 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, and my wife yelled at one of them and he just kind of like laugh, but the thought of that that's just one of those things where it's like, that's just not, that's not going to happen to you. 01:12:06.832 --> 01:12:10.114 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you see some fucking high school kids from a glass bottles or a treat. 01:12:10.134 --> 01:12:11.515 [SPEAKER_02]: They'd probably get assaulted. 01:12:11.953 --> 01:12:14.754 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude, they would be like, I mean, it would be shame on your family. 01:12:14.994 --> 01:12:16.995 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we gotta do some about this. 01:12:17.695 --> 01:12:28.679 [SPEAKER_01]: But however, however, there's, like I said, there's like it's, but it's also, it's also, you have freedom, but there is a degree of responsibility for your actions. 01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:31.680 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, that's like the broken windows, the rear rear. 01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:32.020 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:12:32.801 --> 01:12:35.142 [SPEAKER_02]: You don't sure you've heard like, oh, yeah. 01:12:35.662 --> 01:12:37.182 [SPEAKER_01]: I live in New York, George Giuliani time. 01:12:37.202 --> 01:12:38.383 [SPEAKER_01]: You love broken windows. 01:12:38.403 --> 01:12:39.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Broken windows. 01:12:39.423 --> 01:13:07.306 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the town I live in is very much like the Japanese, I mean there's garbage people do throw bottles like I live on a corner so it's I got all these like nips I got to clean up everybody's nips and right right check out a cult 45 12 pack with empties in it I got to deal with all that stuff but largely it's if I go if I go like a mile into East Providence which is right next door it's totally different like everything changes the people 01:13:07.962 --> 01:13:33.560 [SPEAKER_02]: people go to the supermarket sweatpants you wouldn't see that barring to so it's a totally different like the culture shift just from one little town to the next so those things do exist here in pockets can you explain the what the broken windows there is broken windows is basically if you see broken windows like well only we chuck a brick through this other window yeah let me just like chuck this coat bottle you know you go to a place that's run down and beat up and you're like 01:13:35.222 --> 01:13:36.562 [SPEAKER_02]: McDonald's me a lot the window. 01:13:36.983 --> 01:13:38.003 [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody else gives a fuck. 01:13:38.603 --> 01:13:42.965 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you clean up basically if you clean these things up there's less likely to be more. 01:13:43.025 --> 01:13:47.226 [SPEAKER_02]: When you see clean you're not likely to do the wrong thing. 01:13:48.066 --> 01:13:49.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 01:13:49.447 --> 01:13:50.287 [SPEAKER_02]: Which I think is true. 01:13:51.647 --> 01:13:55.570 [SPEAKER_01]: It, that was big, that was big in New York, back in the 90s. 01:13:55.670 --> 01:13:57.992 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the whole, the whole Giuliani time. 01:13:58.032 --> 01:14:01.234 [SPEAKER_01]: They were trying to kind of clean up the small things. 01:14:01.534 --> 01:14:03.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And then that was the idea to make things safer. 01:14:03.816 --> 01:14:11.642 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's how they kind of turned 40-second street into this kind of cesspool, this beautiful, as far as I'm concerned. 01:14:11.662 --> 01:14:13.243 [SPEAKER_02]: Look, maybe it's a real thing. 01:14:13.883 --> 01:14:14.924 [SPEAKER_02]: Take these a real thing. 01:14:14.944 --> 01:14:19.027 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, sometimes, it's, you know, sometimes sleas is underrated. 01:14:19.527 --> 01:14:22.550 [SPEAKER_01]: I hear you on that, Sleeze is under 80. 01:14:22.570 --> 01:14:23.231 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why you got to run. 01:14:23.251 --> 01:14:24.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you got to have an appetite for Sleeze. 01:14:24.913 --> 01:14:26.694 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's why you got to run. 01:14:26.975 --> 01:14:28.476 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want Sleeze, you got to run. 01:14:28.516 --> 01:14:31.519 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want dignity, you got your community. 01:14:32.019 --> 01:14:34.542 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they really push the dignity in New York too. 01:14:34.562 --> 01:14:35.863 [SPEAKER_02]: You can't have dignity everywhere. 01:14:35.923 --> 01:14:36.464 [SPEAKER_02]: That's no good. 01:14:36.724 --> 01:14:39.086 [SPEAKER_02]: People don't give you Sleeze. 01:14:39.106 --> 01:14:39.907 [SPEAKER_01]: They need all Sleeze. 01:14:40.087 --> 01:14:40.908 [SPEAKER_02]: People are Sleeze. 01:14:41.188 --> 01:14:42.570 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, ultimately, let's face it. 01:14:42.910 --> 01:15:06.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was one of the things in Japan, that was one of the biggest things they were aware of that they're aware of in the biggest crime in Japan has is that when you're on the subway you're so far down, you're on escalators and then when you're on escalator usually you take that you're on the left side to just walk or to just chill and you take the right side if you can walk up the escalator and these dudes are 01:15:07.318 --> 01:15:27.504 [SPEAKER_01]: They're taking books in a fake looking phone, and they're, and then they have a regular phone in their other hand, and they're looking at the regular home, meanwhile, they're photographing upskirts of young women or young girls in the subway, and that's a huge problem in the Japan thing. 01:15:27.844 --> 01:15:33.266 [SPEAKER_01]: They have signs all over the place, and if you see some other fucker with the phone, because everyone's gone on their phone in the subway. 01:15:33.706 --> 01:15:45.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in Japan, people are, everyone's on their phone, but if you see somebody trying to get some, you know, upskirt shots, these guys get beat the fuck up and then arrested the fuck up. 01:15:45.574 --> 01:15:47.015 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen that they get annihilated. 01:15:47.836 --> 01:15:48.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, annihilated. 01:15:49.177 --> 01:15:56.762 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's not even, like dudes are fucking chasing these guys and holding them down, then the cops show up and then it's, I don't see us on video of it. 01:15:57.282 --> 01:15:58.823 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is, it is super problem. 01:16:01.930 --> 01:16:07.352 [SPEAKER_02]: That's part of conformity is like if you step out other people are gonna be there It's like what's it? 01:16:07.412 --> 01:16:08.492 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a dumb show. 01:16:08.612 --> 01:16:09.232 [SPEAKER_02]: What would you do? 01:16:09.252 --> 01:16:10.172 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like bullshit. 01:16:10.272 --> 01:16:14.954 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I'd probably cowering not to say shit, but they'd have these people on camera. 01:16:15.014 --> 01:16:29.658 [SPEAKER_02]: Most people, I'm sure 90% of the people wouldn't say anything, but then they'd have these, they'd fill these, they'd set up this fake situation where if some guys yelling at his wife or kids and then they'd have these people who intervened and then they would let him know. 01:16:30.682 --> 01:16:32.043 [SPEAKER_02]: bogus and they would interview. 01:16:32.323 --> 01:16:34.224 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like this is bullshit because I hate that. 01:16:34.245 --> 01:16:36.486 [SPEAKER_02]: We all know what really goes down in public. 01:16:36.506 --> 01:16:41.750 [SPEAKER_02]: I just I mean honestly myself, I'm like I'm not trying to deal with other people. 01:16:42.330 --> 01:16:45.172 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna probably get my shit get up and leave. 01:16:45.192 --> 01:16:48.815 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm quick to help somebody. 01:16:49.535 --> 01:16:57.861 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm quick to help somebody who's in distress and that is right in one sense, but like interactions between people I've been in that situation many times. 01:16:57.901 --> 01:16:59.462 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not getting involved because I don't know who's 01:16:59.933 --> 01:17:07.178 [SPEAKER_02]: who's the antagonist, who's the protagonist, I don't know what the situation is, and I don't choose sides in public settings. 01:17:07.898 --> 01:17:16.124 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I think that I think these sometimes these things are a little bit too speculative as well, I think another year, I know you, I know you, I do the right thing. 01:17:16.824 --> 01:17:19.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Had, had, did the trip to Japan influence any of your work? 01:17:21.167 --> 01:17:22.288 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't say that it did. 01:17:23.349 --> 01:17:28.392 [SPEAKER_02]: I've tried a few, I heard you talking about your Japanese knives, and I really want to see those, I'm excited to see that. 01:17:29.032 --> 01:17:29.872 [SPEAKER_02]: what you've come up with. 01:17:30.132 --> 01:17:31.973 [SPEAKER_02]: I've made some asymmetrical grinds. 01:17:32.193 --> 01:17:40.215 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say probably the closest things to and I bought a couple of knives from somebody who was fallen on Instagram. 01:17:40.235 --> 01:17:41.175 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to their store. 01:17:43.015 --> 01:17:49.817 [SPEAKER_02]: A Japanese manufacturer, I went to their store and I bought a couple of knives and I brought those back and I really do cherish them. 01:17:50.117 --> 01:17:51.957 [SPEAKER_02]: They're pretty rudimentary to be 01:17:55.248 --> 01:18:00.910 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want, I didn't, I didn't, I won't rudimentary too, I wanted to judge the classic like a classic sushi knife. 01:18:00.930 --> 01:18:11.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's got exactly what you said, it's like it's got a stuffed on epoxy handle, I think there might even be a gap in between the handle and the blade, like this is how they do. 01:18:11.474 --> 01:18:15.035 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, do you have you, we don't, we figure that all out on knife talk, the gap. 01:18:16.348 --> 01:18:32.955 [SPEAKER_01]: So we, Mereko and I were pondering that, you know, sometimes when you look at these some of these Japanese knives, and it's interesting to just talk to kind of talk about tools in general, is sometimes you'll see, and I saw this years ago, I had a professional chef coming with his knife for all, and he had this Japanese knife. 01:18:33.535 --> 01:18:41.777 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was, there was, so if it's a hidden tang knife, it's, and then the, the stick tang is embedded into the handle. 01:18:42.557 --> 01:18:54.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Usually, you'd think the thing to do would be to bed it up, so the shoulder, but the shoulder would be flush with the bolster of the knife, so you would see this thing. 01:18:54.580 --> 01:19:02.022 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember looking at his knife, I was seeing this fucking gap between the shoulder and the bolster or the feral, whatever. 01:19:03.362 --> 01:19:06.144 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember telling him, he was like, I said to him, I can't sharpen this knife. 01:19:06.164 --> 01:19:08.826 [SPEAKER_01]: Go take it to court and have them fucking tighten the shit up. 01:19:09.546 --> 01:19:10.887 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's obviously some stake. 01:19:11.948 --> 01:19:15.090 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the more and more I saw it, when I was in Japan I saw a lot. 01:19:15.270 --> 01:19:20.314 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw a lot of knives where the shoulder was flush and mounted into a nice handle. 01:19:20.874 --> 01:19:24.576 [SPEAKER_01]: And then somewhere there was this, you know, eighth of an inch gap, you know. 01:19:25.077 --> 01:19:28.239 [SPEAKER_01]: So when we were talking about a knife talk, you know, I was like, I think it's some bullshit. 01:19:28.399 --> 01:19:29.520 [SPEAKER_01]: And he would be honest with you. 01:19:29.880 --> 01:19:30.581 [SPEAKER_01]: Be honest with me. 01:19:30.601 --> 01:19:31.162 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, be honest. 01:19:31.702 --> 01:19:33.124 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we got a lot of messages. 01:19:33.144 --> 01:19:34.846 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm in there and knives. 01:19:34.886 --> 01:19:35.908 [SPEAKER_01]: You probably, you know, I'm there. 01:19:35.928 --> 01:19:36.448 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't care. 01:19:36.469 --> 01:19:37.590 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm up by you. 01:19:37.710 --> 01:19:39.132 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a couple of guys. 01:19:39.693 --> 01:19:44.759 [SPEAKER_01]: And they said that it's it's meant it's called it's called the Machi Gap M. A. C. H. I. 01:19:44.799 --> 01:19:45.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Gap. 01:19:45.520 --> 01:20:02.172 [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole thing is it's not all knives have, but I guess the handles, some of the handles are meant to, I mean, some of the handles just, you know, crummy pine, there's not stabilized, it's just very rudimentary and, you know, not clearly something that's not going to last for a long time. 01:20:02.712 --> 01:20:05.834 [SPEAKER_01]: And what happens is they're friction fit, some of them are friction fit. 01:20:06.415 --> 01:20:08.336 [SPEAKER_01]: So what they do is they'll leave that last. 01:20:09.837 --> 01:20:10.558 [SPEAKER_01]: eighth of an inch. 01:20:11.178 --> 01:20:17.984 [SPEAKER_01]: So over time, when the handle starts to swell, you have room to kind of give it a couple extra taps to tighten it up a little bit. 01:20:18.485 --> 01:20:29.815 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a little bit more, I think there's probably a little bit more room in the whole of where you probably have like the same amount of space as you have in the Machi gap in the handle. 01:20:30.155 --> 01:20:33.158 [SPEAKER_01]: So you give a couple more taps if things are getting all up on the loose side. 01:20:34.198 --> 01:20:35.379 [SPEAKER_01]: I still don't like the answer. 01:20:35.579 --> 01:20:36.500 [SPEAKER_01]: I still don't like the answer. 01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:37.580 [SPEAKER_02]: A lot of stuff is like that. 01:20:37.920 --> 01:20:40.602 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like some bullshit that happened and you don't know how to resolve it. 01:20:40.622 --> 01:20:42.143 [SPEAKER_02]: So you just name it the Machie gap. 01:20:42.683 --> 01:20:43.383 [SPEAKER_01]: I still hate it. 01:20:43.863 --> 01:20:50.087 [SPEAKER_01]: I still like, you know, like, I have such a high regard for the Japanese culture and then the way they do things that everything is so. 01:20:50.827 --> 01:21:00.193 [SPEAKER_01]: thought out, but yeah, it's like, it's like a flatter hammer where it's not meant to be, you know, you have to tighten up every five minutes. 01:21:00.413 --> 01:21:00.993 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that. 01:21:01.094 --> 01:21:01.854 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't love it either. 01:21:02.574 --> 01:21:03.635 [SPEAKER_02]: I know exactly what you're saying. 01:21:03.655 --> 01:21:05.536 [SPEAKER_02]: And I've done a few like that. 01:21:05.596 --> 01:21:06.497 [SPEAKER_02]: I brought them to the blade show. 01:21:06.517 --> 01:21:10.119 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually brought one to the blade show and they were like, why is that gap there? 01:21:10.479 --> 01:21:11.180 [SPEAKER_02]: Is that intentional? 01:21:11.200 --> 01:21:12.641 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, well, yeah, absolutely. 01:21:12.741 --> 01:21:13.401 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what they do. 01:21:13.801 --> 01:21:15.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Much gap, it's a much gap. 01:21:16.986 --> 01:21:26.969 [SPEAKER_02]: Even like traditional Japanese swords, I think I saw somebody doing one on YouTube and they were explaining these fittings and I was like, some of the fittings are nonsensical. 01:21:27.429 --> 01:21:29.270 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of them are functional, but some of them just don't. 01:21:29.670 --> 01:21:35.372 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just embellishments or they're almost like, it seems like they're, I can't name the parts, which is a part in front of the 01:21:36.340 --> 01:21:37.841 [SPEAKER_02]: sort of like the guard if you will. 01:21:38.541 --> 01:21:40.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the, yeah, we're, uh, Habaki. 01:21:40.883 --> 01:21:41.743 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what Bakki is. 01:21:41.783 --> 01:21:43.564 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Mereko is talking about Bakki. 01:21:43.604 --> 01:21:46.606 [SPEAKER_02]: But Bakki is probably the hide some gapage or something. 01:21:46.706 --> 01:21:50.348 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the, I always thought that the Habaki was to kind of lock into the sheath. 01:21:51.228 --> 01:21:54.130 [SPEAKER_02]: That, actually, actually, you're right. 01:21:54.861 --> 01:22:03.367 [SPEAKER_01]: Because if they if they if they were to if they were to kind of carve out a little bit for that Habaki, it won't be rattler out of that. 01:22:03.427 --> 01:22:04.007 [SPEAKER_01]: Sheath. 01:22:04.027 --> 01:22:14.434 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, we say now, but I mean, I'm I'm what I'm saying is maybe the stuff happened because they didn't have a better way to resolve it and it just became the way it's done, which is why I was. 01:22:14.454 --> 01:22:15.615 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the way I did a job. 01:22:15.675 --> 01:22:21.658 [SPEAKER_02]: I did my knife that was meant to be a Japanese style knife, and I left the gap there because I was like, well, that's the way they do. 01:22:21.739 --> 01:22:22.419 [SPEAKER_02]: I have no reason. 01:22:23.048 --> 01:22:30.272 [SPEAKER_02]: Other than it's supposed to look like that and I think a lot of what we do in general, you know, like take buoy knives. 01:22:30.312 --> 01:22:32.053 [SPEAKER_02]: This is a told knife talk thing. 01:22:32.113 --> 01:22:32.493 [SPEAKER_02]: Go ahead. 01:22:32.513 --> 01:22:35.934 [SPEAKER_02]: We knife is like the I've seen buoy number one, right. 01:22:36.735 --> 01:22:44.159 [SPEAKER_02]: Boat number one, Jim buoy is brother res, buoy or something like reason, buoy or raisin. 01:22:44.519 --> 01:22:46.420 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I think that's what I saw the law on it. 01:22:46.860 --> 01:22:47.360 [SPEAKER_02]: He made it. 01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:51.002 [SPEAKER_02]: He probably was not that skilled and he made it and the other guy. 01:22:51.750 --> 01:22:55.773 [SPEAKER_02]: chopped a bunch of people up with it, stabbed a bunch of people, and it became legend. 01:22:56.274 --> 01:23:02.759 [SPEAKER_02]: But the booby knives that are made today have nothing to do with that booby number one, which is like puzzling to me. 01:23:03.019 --> 01:23:05.861 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, why are we making booby knives? 01:23:05.881 --> 01:23:08.604 [SPEAKER_02]: We're calling this a booby knife or that a booby knife or whatever. 01:23:09.104 --> 01:23:12.467 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you go back to booby number one, there's no connection. 01:23:13.588 --> 01:23:15.809 [SPEAKER_02]: Add a coffin handle, add no guard. 01:23:20.862 --> 01:23:34.670 [SPEAKER_02]: It looked like a machete for like stabbing or for like clinging for probably for up thrust like situation like I thought they were meant for like to protect you from a bear or something like that maybe like the original. 01:23:35.231 --> 01:23:42.515 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you must have spent some time with Lin Ray I mean he's like the guy who's like he's like the he holds the using like the dungeon master for that fentanyl place. 01:23:42.996 --> 01:23:47.140 [SPEAKER_02]: for all for the, for the boy, uh, Arkansas, is it Arkansas? 01:23:47.300 --> 01:23:48.000 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Arkansas. 01:23:48.181 --> 01:23:48.681 [SPEAKER_01]: Arkansas. 01:23:48.781 --> 01:23:50.242 [SPEAKER_01]: I almost called it the Booie Hall of Fame. 01:23:50.603 --> 01:24:05.556 [SPEAKER_02]: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 01:24:06.148 --> 01:24:07.969 [SPEAKER_02]: He was making Flintlock rifles and whatnot. 01:24:08.129 --> 01:24:09.429 [SPEAKER_02]: He did the booing number one. 01:24:09.449 --> 01:24:10.350 [SPEAKER_02]: He went to the museum. 01:24:10.910 --> 01:24:15.932 [SPEAKER_02]: Got the booing number one, was able to handle it and then just rebuilt it exact. 01:24:15.952 --> 01:24:17.893 [SPEAKER_02]: And they got into the details of how it was. 01:24:18.013 --> 01:24:22.894 [SPEAKER_02]: How when it was used, who carried it and how it was designed and how it was designed to use. 01:24:22.914 --> 01:24:29.437 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like, kind of, whether it was true or not, I don't know, but it contradicted everything I understood about the booing night. 01:24:30.925 --> 01:24:33.066 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember the last people. 01:24:33.186 --> 01:24:34.447 [SPEAKER_01]: People are crazy. 01:24:34.607 --> 01:24:36.807 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all made believe what I'm saying. 01:24:37.168 --> 01:24:45.071 [SPEAKER_02]: There are functional things that do exist that server purpose and there are a lot of it is just we do what we think we're supposed to do. 01:24:47.070 --> 01:24:49.312 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guilty of that as well of course. 01:24:50.412 --> 01:25:13.965 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh dude knife makers you I mean five years ago Ten years ago, I mean it was literally you you were criticized for any little thing you did It was outside of the norm and then thank God for you and your work to kind of like push the boundaries in regards to I think that you Nikon Jay and Nick does whatever he wants when he told me 01:25:14.505 --> 01:25:16.345 [SPEAKER_02]: Listen to no one and I've said that before. 01:25:16.545 --> 01:25:17.446 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what? 01:25:17.666 --> 01:25:18.426 [SPEAKER_01]: I have love Nick. 01:25:18.566 --> 01:25:20.326 [SPEAKER_01]: I call him the big monster I love Nick. 01:25:20.686 --> 01:25:22.267 [SPEAKER_01]: I you know, I see he it calls. 01:25:22.387 --> 01:25:36.110 [SPEAKER_01]: I take the call But the people who say do what you want Sometimes sometimes you got to pay the bills to I kind of hate I kind of hate the do what you want don't listen to anybody people because these are not business people. 01:25:36.150 --> 01:25:42.891 [SPEAKER_02]: It's contest if you're one of the business You do what's expected because you expect to sell and you'd be a fool to do otherwise 01:25:43.465 --> 01:26:01.771 [SPEAKER_02]: If you're just doing art, or you're just doing, you know, fooling around or doing hobby stuff, even if you're passionate about it and you do sell, which is probably closer to where I am than running a business than you tend to do what you want within certain parameters and try to push it, get away with it, if you will. 01:26:02.171 --> 01:26:08.834 [SPEAKER_02]: I get away with it in a negative way, but like I like this, anyone else should like it, like I don't, why do I need a punchline? 01:26:09.194 --> 01:26:09.834 [SPEAKER_02]: No punchline. 01:26:10.554 --> 01:26:11.154 [SPEAKER_02]: What's that for? 01:26:11.334 --> 01:26:12.055 [SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't do anything. 01:26:15.558 --> 01:26:19.541 [SPEAKER_01]: I will say this and kind of wrap it up to bring back to what I was originally talking about. 01:26:19.581 --> 01:26:41.119 [SPEAKER_01]: The reason why I say, you know, don't listen to do whatever you want, guys, it's probably because I felt as an artist in order to kind of, you know, be, you know, a degree successful as I kind of had to, uh, bend to what the market wanted and that was my, that was my interpretation of my own, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, 01:26:42.300 --> 01:26:46.724 [SPEAKER_01]: My degree of what I refer to a success in some validation regards to my decision. 01:26:46.824 --> 01:26:55.171 [SPEAKER_01]: So what I say it It comes from a lot of years of hurt You know, it's just like if people want it give them a mother fuckers what they want. 01:26:55.331 --> 01:26:55.832 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fair. 01:26:55.892 --> 01:27:01.617 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but I mean at the same time It's just like you know, I love the people who say just do what you want. 01:27:01.917 --> 01:27:02.237 [SPEAKER_01]: However. 01:27:02.257 --> 01:27:05.620 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean when people say you have to be a non-conformist and homeless 01:27:06.694 --> 01:27:06.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:27:07.335 --> 01:27:07.595 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:27:07.875 --> 01:27:08.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 01:27:08.295 --> 01:27:09.116 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't want that. 01:27:09.896 --> 01:27:10.477 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't want that. 01:27:12.178 --> 01:27:13.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Prince. 01:27:13.538 --> 01:27:14.439 [SPEAKER_01]: Joshua Prince. 01:27:15.339 --> 01:27:17.080 [SPEAKER_01]: Prince forage works. 01:27:18.141 --> 01:27:19.041 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always great. 01:27:19.362 --> 01:27:20.642 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so glad you reached out to me. 01:27:20.662 --> 01:27:21.803 [SPEAKER_01]: So let's compare notes. 01:27:22.043 --> 01:27:22.904 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who's awesome. 01:27:22.944 --> 01:27:23.364 [SPEAKER_01]: That's fine. 01:27:23.404 --> 01:27:24.365 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always awesome. 01:27:25.866 --> 01:27:48.302 [SPEAKER_01]: any time you're always walk you send me a message any time you want to come on you have a open book you know book done all these other guys are for you know that might give you the real you know I'm gonna do the real good job of you all these other guys are playing games I could have gone further on the shit talk well we can listen there's so that you know what leave the people wanting more that's right always always leave the people wanting more guys 01:27:49.423 --> 01:27:56.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh is the man you already know this and his information will be on the show notes of the full blast podcast. 01:27:56.946 --> 01:28:01.408 [SPEAKER_01]: If you go follow the full blast podcast on Instagram, you can kind of interact with the show a little bit too. 01:28:02.108 --> 01:28:05.849 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you like this show, put share it in your stories. 01:28:06.410 --> 01:28:12.292 [SPEAKER_01]: I have always loved the messages we get in regards to people of the story, people of the show. 01:28:13.172 --> 01:28:14.133 [SPEAKER_01]: Let other people know. 01:28:14.273 --> 01:28:15.054 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's good. 01:28:15.314 --> 01:28:15.974 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I'm with you. 01:28:16.054 --> 01:28:17.615 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's good, but I'll tell you one thing. 01:28:17.655 --> 01:28:19.316 [SPEAKER_01]: It's one many thanks to my listeners. 01:28:19.937 --> 01:28:28.883 [SPEAKER_01]: I know I know I know I will a few friends Send us a message in regards to last week's audio is a little bit fucked up for a day, so 01:28:29.583 --> 01:28:30.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for reaching out to me. 01:28:30.985 --> 01:28:48.901 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a hold of Craig when he was on he was on a he was on board On board his boat when I told him that there was a wrong idea We took care of many thanks to Craig many thanks to the listeners many thanks to my man Josh Prince many thanks to the sponsors And we will see you next week. 01:28:49.002 --> 01:28:49.822 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks again Josh