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[SPEAKER_04]: Shake them ropes, Rob McHare, and here, Jeff Hawkins alongside me, as always, as we have been for the last 15 consecutive years without a break, we are ready to talk a little bit of WWE SummerSlam.
[SPEAKER_04]: We might get to some AEW.
[SPEAKER_04]: We will most likely do a full breakdown of this week's TNA impact, and much more.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I wanted to start with breaking news.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's
[SPEAKER_04]: CM Punk, Cody Rhodes segment added to WWE SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_04]: actually smack down Friday was pretty good with some of the segments on there I thought yeah I mean they're getting the summer slam I mean I always like when the shows have progression towards something because you're going to get most likely some type of news were the segment or if you're WWE Raw you're going to get the most cringe-worthy segment we've had in maybe years
[SPEAKER_02]: That raw half of that stuff had nothing to do with the show Saturday.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was almost like I was watching an AEW go home from time to time.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, why are we not building stuff for the weekend at a watching Joe Hendry and Dan Housing to possibly the most cringe segment I've seen.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, that segment did build to something on this weekend because it is down versus Dan.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, Joe Hendry went from, you know, feuding with the vision to where I guess that's over.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's just over with.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's no longer mad at Jake Paul or Logan Paul or any of the Paul brothers or Paul White or anyone else.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's no longer mad at the Paul's.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's no longer mad at the vision.
[SPEAKER_04]: The vision doesn't seem to care about him because they got their own things going on, which I guess they have Odison to Zawa.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, is that a feud per se is that going to end up in a tag team title match?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know, is that on the card for some or slam at all because I can't imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but I have to think that Chad Gable is going to go back to leading them after this spent to match in some way and maybe even bring back the Creed brothers or who knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, where are the Creed brothers going to be going in?
[SPEAKER_04]: I hope that kind of they get away from Chad Gable.
[SPEAKER_04]: Obviously, Chad Gable is a baby face now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chad Gable is going to do the singles thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll see how far that gets him because, I mean, the intercontinental title is basically
[SPEAKER_04]: his uh... his thing right now which is very funny it turned the guy baby face you know he has the losing match he respects the luchadors and his very first program is against baby faced luchador patented like i get it it's for the intercontinental championship but chat table has earned a chat tables lost i mean as algrondia americano chat table lost his most recent important match yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: He doesn't deserve the Intercontinental Championship.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know they've had matches here and there to get to this point, but he doesn't deserve the Intercontinental Championship push.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not like, oh, it's just, it's two-bit basis, yeah, but we've, we've done it so where they've both been on hot winning streaks and it's like a big clash.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's like Chad Gable got done fighting the luchadors.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now, and again, he can fight luchadors, like just because he lost and had to respect for luchadors, doesn't mean he doesn't have to fight any luchadors, there's a ton of them on the TV show, which is great.
[SPEAKER_04]: But his very first program is against the Ultimo Babyface luchador right now in WWE that isn't Ray Mysterio.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the one luchador they have that's over on WWE television other than which is so crazy I mean gash darn it because look how crazy over on draughty is right now after two months on a WTV or whatever it's been maybe it's been a little bit longer as he's the intercontinental continental National TV TBS champion over there on the a-w show yeah, which this We're not gonna spend too much time on dynamite right my note from dynamite
[SPEAKER_04]: is that to our show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Really overemphasize just how many gosh darn titles there are and how they're fricking overlapping and how they're annoying the shit out of at least me and most likely everybody because you got three championships in fighting with the Adon Callos family.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got Ocata versus Fletcher versus night night who just joined the unit.
[SPEAKER_04]: Talk to me on Full Edge on a UW Dynamite because I want to like these shows.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to watch Omega vs. Osprey.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want, I mean, hopefully Osprey is finally over this, you know, John Moxley stuff right now for at least the next month.
[SPEAKER_04]: But Jesus.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dynamite.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't because they gave title shots for three guys who lost another title on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_02]: And at least one of them in Commander got a promotion to go after a more prestigious title, I think, on that, which was a match that was a total waste of time because it didn't further anything about anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was just a match with a 34 minute overrun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't,
[SPEAKER_02]: I get your complaints, but if I was going to start a fight with the intended audience of AEW, which I've been now known to do, because I think I just did it about a half hour ago accidentally on the figure floor board.
[SPEAKER_02]: they just want good wrestling.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't care about this stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you're going to get shitty television shows and a few good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: Open the open north on dry day was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to get on mega willosper.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to get dream matches.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's for sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're going to get them.
[SPEAKER_04]: But you're going to get shitty TV in between.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let me do this one point on AEW Dynamite about the Osprey Omega match because my general vision of AEW from day one was all people wanted was to root for a baby face young bucks and a baby face Omega as your champions because they wanted the company to crown the best wrestlers as the champions.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now we're doing a quickly kind of semi-turned Kenny Omega with Will Osprey saying things like, I'm glad I joined the death of our haters.
[SPEAKER_04]: He had fun, he had a great, he actually had fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had fun, he had a great, he actually had fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: When all the sickos want, he like the training.
[SPEAKER_04]: He can't find any training partners, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: He liked them.
[SPEAKER_02]: But all the sickos ever wanted out of this feud was best versus best, and this is the one time to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is the one feud that doesn't need heat.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's let the crowd fight each other over who's the best, and this is awesome, and both these guys, and whatever, and this is their chance to finally get that part of their fandom out of the system, and we've decided to make both of them jerks in a way.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like a UW's on the trajectory and they have, you know, some time to do what WWE kind of did with Reigns and Punk leading into WrestleMania is there was so much time they're going to write some bullshit and just get people to not be as interested.
[SPEAKER_04]: in that match.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's a little bit about what's happening over the last three weeks, is because Omega has been doing the side thing with the death writers, or, well, Osprey has been doing the side thing with the death writers, you know, M.J. F has been involved.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's been all this, all this stuff going on on the side here that it's like, can we just kind of focus on the one thing?
[SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes, and not because like, I'm simple.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mind it, I can't handle all this side stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, because you're not focused.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, if you're trying to build up this match that people haven't seen, why is Osprey versus Moxley, the angle you're running?
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you, Rob.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like they got rid of the death of the writer thing finally.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then they had to keep it around a bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, no, they want Osprey.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing is, Dave Belzer, I'd wrestling Observer Radio Day, saying, this is complex story telling.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that some fans are like, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, no,
[SPEAKER_04]: When Walter White was selling meth, he was, his focus was cooking and selling the meth.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there were other characters involved, other characters interacting with each other, but you know who the main protagonist was worried about.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was worried about cooking and selling meth and his backstory was he had cancer and was going to die and needed money for his family.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, that never changed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Osprey is like, well, I want to find training partners.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm really bummed I can't train with my guys no more.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you training for Osprey?
[SPEAKER_02]: a fucking big title match you got coming up, but of course, and we just had the will Osprey can't win the big one story before when he was so afraid to use the Tiger Driver 91 and then he finally got over his fears of breaking somebody's neck with it and used it in a big match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, ah,
[SPEAKER_04]: What, what was the last time outside of during a match on a hear-off move where Osprey selling like one move because they mentioned it for a second than it's forgotten again?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well Osprey was out for months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: With a serious neck injury.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's climbed the mountain back to get this title shot.
[SPEAKER_04]: In London.
[SPEAKER_04]: No less.
[SPEAKER_04]: That part of the story seemingly isn't involved here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like this is just, death writers, Kenny Omega, being a tweener, Will Osprey kind of being a tweener?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: And no, this is Will Osprey, your big time star from last year and there are two years ago or whenever that finally is back at the top of the mountain.
[SPEAKER_04]: Can you imagine when Triple H came back from the quad if they just mentioned it one time and then he was just winning every match easily
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what the hell is going on here?
[SPEAKER_04]: Steve, this is the Roke is neck and this, you know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's no road back for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just going to win every single match and fight with fucking whoever my friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: This, this is the coronation build to your quote unquote next big star.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm, I'm baffled by this round.
[SPEAKER_04]: But the thing that is the current, he's supposed to be the current big star.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: because they already had that coordination.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's supposed to be the current big star and he's coming back from a big time neck injury and he's worried about whether he's got his brother's or not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, I digress because Raw was equally if not more shitty.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, probably more shitty because I don't draw a match at the tone pretty high.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's it's hard to come back from that top bar.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now it was a spot fest grant you, but it was a fun spot fest and one that Undrade fucking looked bad ass in.
[SPEAKER_04]: What was it?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Rob was a slog.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, Rob was stupid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dynamite had a great three way to start it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Undrade, well, where I came from all that talk was Penta.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, yeah, Pence is kind of getting over.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's taken, you know, a year and a half.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's gotten to the point he is.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then on Draw Day goes back to AEW.
[SPEAKER_04]: And every time he goes back to AEW, he's like this big star getting big crowd-swell reactions pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then goes to WWE.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's like, oh, charisma vacuum.
[SPEAKER_04]: And maybe there's a problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe there's a problem on the WWE side with creating stars who aren't John Cena, who aren't Gunther, who aren't,
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, insert, insert good looking white guy, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe the 20 minute expository promo isn't the path to all start them guys, have a that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, at least we don't have the 20 minute singular promos much anymore.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not just tripletion of the ring to start the show and talking straight.
[SPEAKER_04]: At least there's usually two or three people, sometimes five or six people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, now nobody can finish a promo.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's I want to tell you about and then somebody's music hits and they come out and they come out and just say, ah, finishing a promo is over.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't you should know that by now, but yeah, we all had one of the cringier segments of all time with the with the singing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I think it went on for a minute and a half.
[SPEAKER_04]: of just singing I believe that you are cursed with Joe Hendry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joe Hendry is now back involved with Dominic and JD McDonough, maybe we'll get, I mean, summer slams this weekend.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I don't know what else we're going to do with Joe Hendry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe you add a Joe Hendry, JD McDonough match at some point.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe this is a tag team match for a raw.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe we're not done with Dan Housing and Dom, even though we should be.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's summer slam now.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are going to wrestle in a human monies on a poll match.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jeff Hawkins, when you heard the words on a poll come out of Dan Housing's mouth and that appears with a little surprise.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dan Housing said, what?
[SPEAKER_04]: You haven't watched wrestling?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like Dan Housing, closeted late 2000 or early 2000s.
[SPEAKER_04]: WCW, you gay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Judy Bagwell, smiling.
[SPEAKER_02]: Although, I also thought of Easter famine in TNA because that is on a poll, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, Easter famine was on a poll too.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was a lot of poll matches.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, the Christmas era of wrestling, a lot of poll matches.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's, you know, 1999 to 2006, 2007, maybe a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Early stage, shake them ropes fan from your drop of how much you liked polls.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, yeah, no, I've grown and matured.
[SPEAKER_04]: I am no longer into polls that much.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could keep the polls out of my professional wrestling.
[SPEAKER_04]: Keep them off of my TV, but here we are.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're going to have one on summer slim, which is fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's not like they're going to the poll well every single month, so it's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I was going to save.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you're going to talk about the match, is the punchline here, like at some point, Dan has him's going to yell Joe Hendry and he's going to appear and distract for somebody climbing a pole or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joe Hendry is going to be involved and yeah, you better be a little bit more careful about what he does because you can really run these concerts in the day and housing.
[SPEAKER_04]: You asked me last week was day and housing over exposed and I said, no, he's been on TV.
[SPEAKER_04]: He did perfect amount for what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: And on wrong, time wise, he was on TV for the perfect amount of what he's doing at SummerSlam.
[SPEAKER_04]: The problem is what he was doing while he was on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it was almost like, oh, we'll take that bet Mr. Hawkins and Mr. McCaren.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it was.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the merger, it was a good idea in theory of like, okay, Joe Hendry concert Dan House and make it goofy.
[SPEAKER_04]: But the thing is Joe Hendry is crisp when he does these concerts.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's thrown off a little bit when you have awkward Dan House in like looking all to the side and then they had, you know, they had the different Dan House and dancers on the aisle seemingly just there, Dan House and looking at him and staring while the camera's not panning to him and he's like, are they coming now?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like they went one stands a too long because Dan has like, what do we do in here?
[SPEAKER_04]: Even that this is too awkward even for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Have you seen the Dan House in the van?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm supposed to have ESPN has a Dan House in van.
[SPEAKER_02]: A Dan van looks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's or a truck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it looks like it has his giant head almost like the the Lex Express kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is quickly turning into the space balls merchandising joke, Dan House is great because we have space for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have space ball to is coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I mean, if there's perfect time, I don't know, who does space balls, what the studio does space balls?
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is very important to the story, space ball, order of brothers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, then that probably isn't going to do, well, yeah, that's probably not going to have a WWE tie in then.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, it's distributed by MGM production company, MGM.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be Amazon then.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, well, yeah, the one service that doesn't have any WWE programming.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so we're probably not going to get some type of day in house and tie in with space balls, but of all the movies to come out, that could be one as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, let's, uh, any other notes from raw that you wanted to get into before we preview, W-W-E. Summer slam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I mean, I thought so low.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean,
[SPEAKER_04]: hey, it's a take that I had two years ago on this show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, Solosacoma had the potential and thankfully he's a little younger, you know, Solosacoma 35 yet, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so, but if you had told me that I had that much natural charisma when he was playing the strong silent type on NXT and when he was first brought up, I would have bet you human monies that you were wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you kidding?
[SPEAKER_04]: How?
[SPEAKER_04]: Solosicole was showing glimpses of it man when he would do the laughing at the you know he would break a little bit And then he would go back into Solosicole has been showing this since day one on at on WWE TV NXT run was a little weird for me because he was kind of the baby face.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was kind of up there He was the heel as she was doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was trying to be somebody
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but he showed glimpses, Solosicoa was born in what 1993.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So he's 33 years old.
[SPEAKER_04]: Perfect.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got another 15 years in him to be a top guy in WWE.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, this guy, uh, people are starting to turn around to the corner that I, uh, I paved, I paved.
[SPEAKER_04]: Basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: You paved the way for the bandwagon to drive on to.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was me Jeff Hawkins.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was Robert McEirin that said, you know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think Solosico has got some of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: That was all me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So bow down to your master.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's DX.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just a spade.
[SPEAKER_02]: Spade of wedge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see the fully segment from the paper of you this past Sunday at all?
[SPEAKER_02]: I doubt you did.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, it took clips of him barking like a dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the bow wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bow wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just more like a company.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you don't go to respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just glad you finally found some respect.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, and a company that respects his talents.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how much we're going to see of him.
[SPEAKER_04]: He seems like he's going to be like a paper view kind of backstage special attraction, but not on dynamite anymore, probably, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I would figure as much unless you're going to do that whole.
[SPEAKER_02]: thing like when he was GM on raw and doing the wacky hay, I've set my office here in the middle of the hall with a table and a gavel, aren't I wacky?
[SPEAKER_04]: Which also isn't that crazy?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not because that's that's well within the Bucks wheelhouse.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that was 25 years ago, more about 25, if not more years ago that he was the GM of, yeah, the commissioner.
[SPEAKER_04]: He was the commissioner.
[SPEAKER_04]: And now the GMs act like commissioners more than ever, but summer slam.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's get into summer slam.
[SPEAKER_04]: What night is the Dan House and match on?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, darn it.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's on night two.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we have to wait.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have to wait to talk about that one even more.
[SPEAKER_04]: Talk about the praise that that segment received.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, I asked you last week, what is going to be the main event right now, uh, something weird is happening, because I don't know if the first hour of the show is going to be on any ESPN main channel, ESPN one or ESPN too.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think this entire show is going to exclusively take place on ESPN unlimited, so there won't be.
[SPEAKER_04]: A first hour, we might actually have a traditional order of matches with a hell on a cell late and a CM punk match late, possibly on this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what would you say between the hell on the cell and the CM punk Cody Rhodes match?
[SPEAKER_04]: I assume it's going to be one of those two matches as the main event.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is the main event of night one of summer slam?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's punk Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Punk Rhodes because it's the title match, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because otherwise,
[SPEAKER_02]: I also think there's going to be an angle coming out of punk roads.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that's going to be more important.
[SPEAKER_04]: In angle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, we'll get to that one here in a second.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you can yell at me or maybe by the time this is done recording ESPN wall announced.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Summer slam ESPN first hour.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think it's happening.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... this year uh... sports industry came out with a story saying y s p n won't air the first hour of w we summer sling for free y w we is dropping free p l e content on the s p n okay so it does not look like this will be on the s p n it will only be on the s p n unlimited so you have to have the app or you have to have a v p n with netflix uh... to see this show i have good news on this front also Jeff breaking news if you will
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, ESPN unlimited is finally available for YouTube TV customers.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I will actually get this will be my first PLE as a regular subscriber, or at least to have access to ESPN unlimited.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I will watch SummerSlam on the actual ESPN app.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't have to get the VPN out in the Netflix and worry about buffering and all these different things.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm finally going to get to watch this show probably on a delay.
[SPEAKER_04]: on the actual service intended.
[SPEAKER_04]: So hooray for commercials, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited because there's only one night of this I want to watch and it's all and everything I want to watch on is on night one.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm really I mean I want to I think one of the better matches of the show at least with heat and whatnot is going to be reins and Seth even though they've done a really weird build up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I want to see reins and Seth.
[SPEAKER_04]: I wouldn't be shocked if Seth Rowan wins the title even though I think there's still a lot of juice on the bone and bloodline story, but we're not getting tonight too yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're getting tonight one.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if that is your main event, Cody Rhodes versus CM Punk, CM Punk going in as the champion.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is your opener?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are you opening with hell on the cell or something else on the card?
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no ESPN.
[SPEAKER_04]: No ESPN, it changes everything, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_04]: It changes at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think we open with live and eo.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, that's a good pick.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're if you're going back stage influence, I could also see opening with Brock so he can clean up and get the hell out of there.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is, yeah, because Brock loves to keep the plane running, he's not here for a good time or long time he's here for a good time, but I also, but I do think that match will play better.
[SPEAKER_04]: in a little bit of a darker app.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is an outdoors.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, starting off.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not outdoor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that's not outdoor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That stadium is indoor.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is indoor.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's a roof or a dome.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has a roof with like windows in it, because I went there for the NCAA tournament.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but that's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And either way, it's starting at like, I think the show actually starts at 6 p.m. Eastern.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's starting at 5 p.m. Central time, this show, I mean, it'll still be light when the main event goes off probably.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yes, I'm not worried about the ambience there, but I actually don't believe.
[SPEAKER_04]: that the opener is going to be the hell in the sell match, even though it would not shock me in the least to have that open up this show.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think our opener is going to be the six man tag.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's going to be LA night.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was my second one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going with this.
[SPEAKER_04]: If only for the fact that it also was on was that the opener opener of WrestleMania, I think it was pretty early on.
[SPEAKER_04]: The six man tag with LA night, and it was on ESPN at that moment, but
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I think it was actually the pre-show of quote unquote, it was on the free first hour.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, it was on the free first hour, and I think it might have been even the opener.
[SPEAKER_04]: If not, it was the next match with I show speed and whatnot, but it was on that first one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm going six-man opening this up.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you save live and EO for a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that one's going before the main event, especially if the hell on the cell opens the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do believe Liv and I was going to go a little bit later on there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Although it would be a hot opener.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you want to if you want to pick any of these matches and you want to go like really hot opener, live you probably is it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So let's let's do that Liv Morganeos guy for the world championship.
[SPEAKER_04]: You said there might be shenanigans in the main event on this show.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, there should be shenanigans in this one or potentially return coming afterwards.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think with with Raquel winning her title and with, you know, I mean, it's going to be the usual judgment not judgment night judgment day stuff and I think he overcomes I think he was winning this and I think you do get.
[SPEAKER_02]: Rear Ripley to help her and then you set that match up where they both have the titles and they're kind of looking at each other No, no, you can't because they're doing the interim the next night.
[SPEAKER_04]: So no ria no ria, but no ria But eo over comes and wins the title and no and ria wasn't even the one that I was thinking of on this show Oh, where do you think it's Stephanie Stephanie the care?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: Stephanie Vicarre has unfinished business with Liv Morgan.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Stephanie Vicarre shows up if Liv Morgan wins.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you know wins, I don't think Stephanie Vicarre is showing up afterwards because outside of the title, getting her title back would be a reason to go with you.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I still think there's a little meat on the bone with Liv and Stephanie.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I could see you guys winning this title.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe Stephanie coming back the next night on Raw and we have a number one contendership match.
[SPEAKER_04]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_04]: with live and Stephanie of a care to see who goes on with EOS sky.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, there's always the reapply thing hanging up over there too and reapply may even switch brands.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, there's right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no draft.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no signing contracts outside of free agents.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like if you want to be on the other show, you can be on the other show as long as you're just regularly on that other show.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's almost like I just I called my spot.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to be on SmackDown this week.
[SPEAKER_04]: That means I'm on SmackDown forever now.
[SPEAKER_04]: So live more than you sky, potential you're opener, your other potential opener, LA night, solo, sokoa, rice keys against the bloodline of Jacob Fattu, J.U.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, Jimu, so, six man tags on both nights of the show as we have a actually six man tags twice on this very show because there's a women's six man tag as well as the men's six man tag.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now,
[SPEAKER_04]: I wonder if one of those is going to open just so you can spread out these six man's a little bit more.
[SPEAKER_04]: Another reason why I think this LA night match might open the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: LA night's been getting really good solid crowd reaction, so let's go ahead and move up in that picture there, potentially a challenger for Roman Reigns coming up in the coming months.
[SPEAKER_04]: to kind of get you to Royal Rumble and WrestleMania, Royce Keys building him up.
[SPEAKER_04]: This will be the first real test on a main stage for Royce Keys as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because the Royal Rumble, it was his debut.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really see it as a test on the main stage.
[SPEAKER_04]: The test on the main stage will be this six man tag.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Royce Keys is going to come in for big power move, you know, big spurts.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, don't keep them into the ring.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't have them selling against the the heels.
[SPEAKER_04]: Royce key should be on the outside for 95% of the smash and come in.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do some big moves.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe even get the win, but what do you say here about the six man tag?
[SPEAKER_04]: L a night solo, Royce against the bloodline?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Royce gets the pin over Jimmy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So.
[SPEAKER_04]: Against Jimmy is Jimmy kind of he's the new Japan, you know, put me in a multi man and let me take the fall guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is basically Yeah, although although I didn't originally think that when I started talking I thought oh Royce gets the pin over Jacob fat two and that becomes a feud Yeah, but I think I think they're gonna go easy here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Royce versus Jimmy is so LA night gets a win so low those do You know get a little bit elevated into this feud and we continue to see what happens at war games
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because the bloodline has been different.
[SPEAKER_04]: This iteration of the bloodline is, again, even though they're supposed to be all even.
[SPEAKER_04]: This has been the Roman range show and the other three are kind of, not knuckleheads per se, but they're definitely on the backdrop and they are not, like this is not the super dominant bloodline.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is Roman range with his cousins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is Roman to red shirts and the u-sos in fact, too, being kind of held back because they see something.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly, and that adding to the story of Jacob being held back and going nuts eventually is yeah his family is going to lose this match You're gonna put the up on night solo and Royce.
[SPEAKER_04]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are going to get the win on this one and exciting match.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the WWE debut
[SPEAKER_04]: of Nick Aldis, Wikipedia having some fun putting Gunther vs. Magnus on the old card, but this is Gunther vs. Nick Aldis and Nick Aldis's WWE debut, one of the youngest superstars on this show, Nick Aldis coming in at a nice spry 39 years old.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gunther and Nick Aldis, is it any way possible, Nick Aldis wins his debut?
[SPEAKER_02]: 10% chance, but I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I think, again, I am here to hear the audience.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never seen him before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's see how he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of a WWE style wrestler.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think there's a chance he might get over.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's super WWE style.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gunther only has bangers.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's the new shameless where you put him with anybody and it's going to be really, really good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would like to see this kind of go on, you know, not in a death spot, not after a hell on the sale before the main event.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really hope they give this one one or two because Gunther versus Nick Aldous can be kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also don't see it going super long.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Gunther is going to get the win here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's going to be in six or seven minutes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think Nick Aldous is getting his come up at the end of the night.
[SPEAKER_04]: but he is going to get the first two minutes hot where he's just coming out as a house a fire and then Gunther, you know, does his thing and we'll see what happens.
[SPEAKER_04]: His Nick Aldis gonna return his GM is Nick Aldis potentially gonna be a wrestler.
[SPEAKER_04]: It does he have to go to NXT after this match to wrestle because he's not WWE ready.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what, what are we gonna see here postman?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well as part of the segment on SmackDown, he gave up being general manager.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that doesn't.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but then triple H decides the next night.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, but I need a GM.
[SPEAKER_04]: How about you?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and but that could also be for a second match that could be a stipulation possibly later.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if I if I win this match, I can go back to be GM or whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, no, there can be so you don't think this is one and done for Gunther versus no, I do and I'll tell you why when we win a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_04]: a little bit later, who it he's something else being involved here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think this is one and done for Nick Aldous and Gunther myself.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I don't see it as a one and done for Nick Aldous.
[SPEAKER_04]: Neither do I. Restler, you know, again, SmackDown's two hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like they have a ton of time for a bunch of talents.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do expect this to be fun, but it is probably going to be on the shorter side of the matches.
[SPEAKER_04]: on the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would hope they give the six man tags sometime just because of how many people are involved.
[SPEAKER_04]: But based on what happened at WrestleMania, I could be very wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think that L.A. night six man tag at WrestleMania was very quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think the women are going in the death spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the women in the death spot, the women being Nikki Bella Brebella and Paige,
[SPEAKER_04]: against the fatal influence, JC Fallen and Laney.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we have a six women tag team match here.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Bella's losing their tag team titles.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got page involved here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't really know who the war course of the women's team is going to be in this match.
[SPEAKER_04]: I guess like breeze probably the most sympathetic baby face to get in there and take like a beating for a few minutes.
[SPEAKER_04]: But if this goes more than six minutes, I actually will be a little
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, props to Laney Reed who is really just improved on this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, she was brought up quickly when this group that brought in.
[SPEAKER_04]: So quickly that she doesn't even have a Wikipedia page.
[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, everybody's been saying that the bell is going to turn on page eventually and that seems to be that, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Natural.
[SPEAKER_04]: I haven't seen that since page debuted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now it's kind of oddly situated because of the whole point of this Nikki and Bree being brought back so that they can win the tag team titles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, fatal influence could lose those titles as somebody else and then the bell is beaten, the baby faces form and screw them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see Paige becoming the manager for fatal influence here and the Bella's getting screwed and then eventually the Bella's win a ceremonial tag team title run from fatal influence.
[SPEAKER_04]: because the page baby face run so far since she's come back has not been anything now happened this happened when she came back uh... from her injury at the tail end of her run in WWE where she was baby face right away and then quickly heal uh... you could i could very well see page kind of turning on this and the and now you have the bell is going for the tag team titles yes i think that's a good call out
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, when's this match then?
[SPEAKER_02]: We assume it's a fatal influence and then page like, you know, page, you know, hits, breathe and she gets pinned or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Helmus Elmatch Oberfemi Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the rubber match.
[SPEAKER_04]: We are one and one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oberfemi is looking in.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh my god, 1998, WWE shape, like this guy has gotten chiseled in the last month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It has not been a long process for Roba Femme, it's really put the work in.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's going in there with Brock Lesnar, where it's just the two, this is your house match.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is your two big men slap and meet power bonding and throwing each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: In a cage.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're Paul Hammond can't be involved inside.
[SPEAKER_04]: How do you see Obo Femi versus Brock Lesnar going?
[SPEAKER_02]: You might get too hosed me for that night between Gunther and and and and and Aldous being like Gunther just killing him with chops and then this meat match.
[SPEAKER_04]: Me match and poles on the same weekend.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Obofemi is should win this and if there's any other ending other than that, it's stupid.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give this to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me the big spot where he drives Brock through the cage like Roman did at Saudi Arabia, please.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we're climbing to the top of the cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if we do, I'm going to be scared to death for somebody.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can see this one going outside the cell, but there's no thing that's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, no climbing this time itself.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless it's that Dolph Ziggler version where he goes up and then falls back through the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe Obo would do that, but I don't see Brock doing that.
[SPEAKER_04]: there's no need for either of these two guys, yes, who climb the cell.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do see them going outside, finding a way.
[SPEAKER_04]: Someone ripping a lock off the door, someone going through the door, Paul Hayman doing some fuckery outside to get that door open.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do see it going a lot of which way.
[SPEAKER_04]: To the point where 20% of this match might be outside the cage, maybe even by the
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, otherwise they can have a big, you know, just the two of them throw any each other around for a while.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think we're going to get kickouts of three to four F Fives?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we're going to get, we're going to get an Oba roar after like two F F Fives in a row or just a quick stand up.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to get a few non sell moves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think both guys know sell the other guys big move at one point.
[SPEAKER_04]: What I really hope happens to because this should be your Throaning of Oberfemi.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, laying the beast finally.
[SPEAKER_04]: What I don't want to happen is I don't want Brock Lesnar to have a post match moment like you did at WrestleMania because it wouldn't fit.
[SPEAKER_02]: No sympathy, please.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want him to be in the ring there in the crowd cheering for him and you know taking the boots off again.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to see, you know, I want Obafemi to be the last one in that ring before they go to commercial and we don't see anything else.
[SPEAKER_04]: The Brock Lesnar needs to be quote unquote dead here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: He needs to be down in the ring, slayed to the point where we don't maybe don't even see him get up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like literally undertaker at WrestleMania 20, where it's just Oberfemi celebrating around him and it's over.
[SPEAKER_04]: Maybe even the cage raises, Brock Lesnar sneaks out or the cameras on Ober.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to see a sympathetic moment.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to see a retirement.
[SPEAKER_04]: He had his moment at WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they went back on it, but don't give him the moment again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then your main event of the show is the empunk versus Cody Rhodes for the undisputed WWE Championship.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cody Rhodes is coming in as the challenger for this one, the challenger now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think there's a lot of story for Cody Rhodes to not have the championship here coming out of this match and still a lot of challengers.
[SPEAKER_04]: Whether it be Gunther, whether it be a potential returning superstar on our mind.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jeff Hawkins, how see you?
[SPEAKER_04]: going CM Punk Cody Rhodes rethinking the returning Superstar being drew no I mean that could happen to but I think this might be your place for I don't know anything about the health of Randy Orton but it's okay spot for Randy Orton to come back it would be this big show on Summer Slam to set up his next match with Cody Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hadn't considered that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I might have considered.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had not considered a Randy Orton.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, you should.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you should always be considering Randy Orton.
[SPEAKER_04]: When you go to the grocery store, Jeff, you should be considering Randy Orton.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the good bad archaic can come out of nowhere, even the cereal aisle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't know where.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was thinking, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, I don't know Randy's health.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Cody has a love of the old school.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was looking up and down this card.
[SPEAKER_04]: Almost to a fault.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but I know that one of those internal goals of Cody Rhodes is to have his Rick Flair run.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, all right, well, and somewhere, but okay, now we're getting somewhere going.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now on this card are two of Cody Rhodes's buddies, Roy Skies and Nick Aldis.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, but there may be faces right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, but both, well, Royce will have one in kind of quiet, quiet way and Magnus will have lost and gone away and we'll be going, well, what is he going to do?
[SPEAKER_02]: And you also have a certain Ricky Starks who is a Ricky Stance who's out there if you want.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I am thinking some combination of that and Rhodes, Cody Rhodes finally gives his horsemen in some way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't win this match, but there will be a post match beat down with some unusual
[SPEAKER_02]: bedfellows for CM Punk to have to align with possibly.
[SPEAKER_04]: But also Jeff Hawkins, there's a GD cage in this building this night.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: What about that cage lowering a little bit?
[SPEAKER_04]: As this beat down commences and now you're just leaving the bloody baby faces in a cage.
[SPEAKER_04]: As we head, we're just two months away from a little war games match here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I like that idea a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: I hate who you're putting with Cody Rhodes though.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can change the action of WWE in a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you can't put, you can't put Orton and Rhodes together.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just, oh, you could, you could, especially if Cody Rhodes is going to be going heel, like why not have the most deaths, Cody Rhodes and Randy Orton were friends before Randy turned.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Randy was talking, he was talking lessons to Cody Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cody Rhodes may have learned a lesson here, and you know what?
[SPEAKER_04]: We got a line.
[SPEAKER_04]: We got because you can also have Randy Orton go again see him punk for the title before Cody Rhodes gets the big cage match or the big match against see him punk again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you had ended, but you also have the potential of three guys who are kind of who have towed both sides of the line here in punk, Drew McIntyre, and Randy Orton where it's kind of like, yeah, and we all think Cody's kind of a jerk.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe we go after him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have guys within there, you know, you protect Royce as the heater.
[SPEAKER_02]: All this can take losses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Saints can take losses.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I just, I feel like a Cody heel turn.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time because he's been so coy about it the past couple years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, and now is the time where people are kind of turning on him is kind of a, all right, you know, the suit wearing jerk kind of, let's let's just go with this to the
[SPEAKER_04]: I do like the story of Nick Aldous losing his GM spot losing the match against Gunther being like I don't now I'm just I have nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have no job.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have nothing.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have to align with Cody Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can see some of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're you're thinking of four horsemen beat down.
[SPEAKER_04]: To end.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't worry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Summer slam night one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we'll roll into night two of WWE Summer Slam.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know we had.
[SPEAKER_04]: We had the big moment with CM Punk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Seth Rollins.
[SPEAKER_04]: and Roman Reigns at WrestleMania and the big Paul Hayman term, the big Seth Rollins angle, that did happen on night one.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not afraid to make the big weekend closing angle not the weekend closing angle correct have it on night one instead of night two so we could be in in store for a treat.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right well we know what the main event of night two is going to be it's going to be Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's no disputing that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think 25% there the odds are
[SPEAKER_04]: unlikely.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say unlikely.
[SPEAKER_04]: But also that will not open the show.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to open the show with goofiness like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: The opener of night two kind of an interesting pick.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot to choose from.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're all kind of just their matches.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I think I think I know what night two's opener would be whether it was on ESPN or not.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's going to be the Intercontinental Championship
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... no and that's interesting because i thought it might be the women's ladder or zane baller just to start off with kind of like that banger just a well penta and she had gables going to be a banger that too uh... and it's a title match
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, the crowd will be fresh and they they want to get that skull clap going for Chad, so maybe But they're it I was going to say it also takes a lot of time to set up all the ladders, but God, there's five minutes of commercials in between and they can easily set up the ladders for later on on the show But you're at a ladder match could potentially open it up like I've got to see things now You can you can you can convince me because I think I think it's one of those things to start the start at the night hot, so yeah Because you're not going to start it off hot with trick Williams bearing Corbin.
[SPEAKER_02]: No
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, so let's go with the opener of Penta versus Chad Gable singles match for the Intercontinental title.
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, Chad Gable coming off of a large run where he was bested by the Luchadors and respects the heritage and no longer is going to be a Dick against the Luchadors.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, of course, his first match back is a title match against Luchadors.
[SPEAKER_04]: Chad Gable, Penta.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's too early to beat Chad Gable.
[SPEAKER_04]: No one Penta said this run for a little bit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm thinking Chad Gable takes this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time for Gable to get at least a run with the Intercontinental Championship to see what you have on this after making him lose the thing that made him the most interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You could also potentially have Pentego work a little bit more in Triple A and then come back.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not like he has to be on TV on RAW every week as you establish Chad Gable as the Intercontinental Champion and there's always Ray Phenix going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, I would go Chad Gable to win this particular match and then we have the five-way
[SPEAKER_04]: WWE Women's Championship.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is the interim title to eventually go one-on-one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would thank with Rhea Ripley.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is there going to be a sixth?
[SPEAKER_04]: Are we going to see a sixth competitor added to this match?
[SPEAKER_04]: As the five right now, or Tiffany Stratton, who is your US champion, Jade Cargill, Chelsea Green, Charlotte Flair, and then either Julia or Lash legend, we are taping this before SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we have five right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Could we potentially see a sixth?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Naya Jax.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ooh, Naya Jax being added.
[SPEAKER_04]: And if that is the case, you're seeing lash legend out of the mix?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to put Julia in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: So out of these six, one we have to think a little bit about, could we have a double champion in Tiffany?
[SPEAKER_04]: who makes the most sense to go up against Rhea Ripley, potentially, or does Rhea just switch to the raw side to go one-on-one with E.O.
[SPEAKER_04]: and potentially the Liv Morgan's and the Stephanie Vicaris of the World.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are we, what do we see happening here with this match?
[SPEAKER_02]: You're gonna hate this ending.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm gonna hate a lot of this shit, probably, but that's okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not all written for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, do you remember the, the WrestleMania in Dallas, where they had the big ladder match for the intercontinental title, and then what they did on the Monday night, Raw the next night.
[SPEAKER_02]: where Zach Ryder won the title and then they immediately job them to the Miz because they were introducing Maurice to come pack with Miz and have them win.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, Maurice.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Chelsea Green is just for Maurice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Chelsea Green wins this ladder match for like a four-day title reign or something like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they'd be there on the next SmackDown or something.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they don't you don't think they're gonna want like or they do comedy say, but yeah, it's for comedy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's comedic effect.
[SPEAKER_04]: She could.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you have a lot of big monsters in this match.
[SPEAKER_04]: Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lash potentially.
[SPEAKER_04]: Naya jacks Tiffany Stratton the US champion.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got a lot of big names, big monsters in this match.
[SPEAKER_04]: and then just tiny Chelsea Green goes up there and squeaks out this championship does the biggest Chelsea celebration of all time has a segment on SmackDown, where it's just the Chelsea Coordination of the interim championship and Rhea Ripley comes back that night.
[SPEAKER_02]: And who's yeah, and who's Chelsea Green's tag team partner right now?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, how about you tell me?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's Tiffany Stratton.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been doing things where they've been doing things where it's like, hey, I'm watching her back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe I'll be a champion someday, too.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you can watch mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could always turn Stratton against green at some point for for that because I think I think Tiffany Stratton's better is a heel personally, but they have to make heels right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can do a Julia redemption story, but man, it just feels like because of all the crowd reaction she's been getting over and over and over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: they're gonna give Chelsea Green a ceremonial thanks for the gold watch title run with the big belt and maybe if if if Ria's ready to come back killing her or a Chelsea Green becomes paranoid as champion and becomes kind of like a foe you know she's the beatable champion so everybody's coming after her type of thing for a few weeks or months okay i'm gonna go Jade Cargill
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm not going to explain why, but I'm going to go Jade Cargill.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, but I bet the baddies show up here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I think you're going to have some baddies influence.
[SPEAKER_04]: I could see them going back to Jade Rear Ripley potentially as well, even if they don't right away, you have Jade winning this interim winemands championship, Tiffany Stratton as the US champion and wanting that world title again, you could do, you know, them one-on-one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see Charlotte winning this if the baddies come out and elects us scared them away or whatever and then Charlotte goes up and gets it and then it's- I can honestly see you've convinced me on possibility of Chelsea.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see Julia or Lash Legends so it doesn't matter who's in the match out of those two because I don't see them and if they add someone else I don't see the added person winning this match.
[SPEAKER_02]: No I think I think Naya's there for everybody to go, oh god no don't let Naya win this type of a thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah and what's the added person is re-ripply herself?
[SPEAKER_04]: and this becomes a WWE Women's Championship match.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had that thought because, boy, do they love bringing people back from injury and pulling them in a ladder match?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, they love it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Triple H is like, if I could wrestle a whole match with the torn quad, you can wrestle a ladder match when you're healthy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was their move.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, hey, you came back from a broken neck or torn sternum or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's throw you in that six person ladder match at Mania and see if you're really resilient.
[SPEAKER_04]: If a quarterback is healthy on Thursday and clear to play, they're playing the whole game and they're playing every snap.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you're ready to go, you're either ready to go or you're not ready to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Baseball is the only one where it's like, well, he's partially ready, he's good enough to be out there and stand in the outfield, just don't run too fast.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a baseball.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if you know this.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is pro-graps.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me write that down.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll write that down.
[SPEAKER_04]: You should write that down.
[SPEAKER_04]: You should write it.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Trick Williams bearing Corbin.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is a United States title match.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it is a match.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say, it's a match with two wrestlers.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is a match between trick Williams and Baron Corbin.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is coming from the SmackDown brand.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the storyline in this one is that there's two wrestlers who are going to have a match.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what do you think about trick Williams versus Baron Corbin?
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what we're doing with trick Williams.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like putting a match with Baron Corbin.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know this but is he supposed to be power guy or work rate guy because they can never decide on this and that work rate guy
[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't everything here scream that not necessarily for the title, but that Baron Corbin has to win the first one to get a rematch eventually, and I have trick chase, or do we just squash Baron, and we have this, this Carmelo Hayes thing, still hanging around, we have Ilya dragon off possibly in the wings, but I can't see trick losing this, but I can't see the logic of trick winning this, that's my problem, so I'm gonna go with trick Williams because it lacks explanation of any kind.
[SPEAKER_04]: Baronhausen was right there for them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes!
[SPEAKER_04]: Instead of what he's doing on these terrible set Baronhausen was right there.
[SPEAKER_03]: They looked the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously Baron Corbin could play the part.
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy is an actor.
[SPEAKER_03]: Why didn't they do this to me?
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead, they give me, I believe that you are cursed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why?
[SPEAKER_02]: Anthony.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm telling you, the depth of where they went from Saturday night's main event to two hours later.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's a drop because the cat thing was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cat, I mean, he put a stuffed cat in a cloning machine and out came Carl Anthony Towns Jeff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tell me that's not good writing.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, I love number one contender for the WWE title, if I asked you six months ago, who would be the two names in this match, you'd be like, what the fuck is this?
[SPEAKER_04]: Why, who are these, what, they're on different shows first of all.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're not going to be in the title picture anytime soon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Same as a versus Finn Bauer for the right to lose on the next Saturday night's main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you are incorrect because they are on the same show because they stealth moved fit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know they're on the same show now.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm saying six months ago they were not.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're correct.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Six months ago, if you were to said, these two names are wrestling for the number one contender ship to the WWE title, you'd be like, why?
[SPEAKER_04]: But no, it's Sami Zayn and Finn Baller.
[SPEAKER_04]: Finn Baller, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are on SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_04]: Finn Baller's had this on and off again thing with.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... with knock emura and the tongons and now i don't know if they're good doing a thing anymore uh... between them same isane is trying to fight to get back in this title picture he probably shouldn't have been in to begin with but there was a cool story for Saudi Arabia uh... is there a possibility that both of these men get pinned
[SPEAKER_04]: If I blame it, a debuting big bill comes in just to tell me, I know we're not getting them to the raw after, but I mean, it doesn't have to be a big bill, it could be the return of God.
[SPEAKER_04]: Drew turns here could be Drew killing them both and then we have a three way on some smack here's your Orton here's your Orton come back Sam and Finn But no, it's a Finn it certainly really has Orton really has worries for why not why wouldn't you just let them let one of them win and challenge the winner on smack down Why would Randy Orton come back during this match think about what you're saying Jeff Thank you before you speak
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's the problem is Sam is the interesting choice because his heel character is kind of cool and a face of babyface.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, I'm punk, the problem is Finn ballers and Uber babyface and so we'll get babyface baller in a matter of respect versus punk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did we pick a winner of the Baron Gordon match?
[SPEAKER_04]: Who's winning?
[SPEAKER_02]: Trick.
[SPEAKER_04]: Trick, okay, so we're going to get babyface trick.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're thinking we're going to get babyface Finn baller.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dan Housing is winning the human bag of monies.
[SPEAKER_04]: We know this, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're thinking, baby face Chelsea Green.
[SPEAKER_02]: tweener Chelsea Green, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, did you have Chad Gable or Penta?
[SPEAKER_04]: You had Chad Gable?
[SPEAKER_02]: I had Gable, I think this is a night of baby face wins, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK, but this is what I'm getting at here.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is what I'm getting at.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they don't always do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm, they usually do the opposite.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do all the hills.
[SPEAKER_04]: And yeah, I'm a little worried about your picks here.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think it came into this night a little unprepared.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, so now you're just flipping because of a little bit of peer pressure, huh?
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, these are my principles, and if you don't like them, I have others.
[SPEAKER_04]: I pretty, my principle was always building.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like, I really like building.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you're main event in the show, Jeff.
[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: Wrong.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know you wanted to hit that stop button right there, but it's not yet time.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not yet time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not have my hands on the, on the, on the stops, I know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had my hands on the human monies on a pole match.
[SPEAKER_04]: Roman Reigns is defending the world heavyweight championship.
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, Seth Rollins, the crowd is going to be anti Seth Rollins.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to be pro-Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: We have potentially Obafemi-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-Lu-
[SPEAKER_04]: whether it's Randy Orton, whether it's anybody, we have the bloodline, the bloodline possibly getting involved in this match.
[SPEAKER_04]: Does anyone come to the aid of Seth Rollins, you know, who's almost ready to return?
[SPEAKER_04]: Mr. Bronson Reed, a Bronson Reed who never really was involved too much with a demeaning and defaming Mr. Seth Rollins.
[SPEAKER_04]: So what says you, Jeff?
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you see happening in the main event of the two-night summer slam for Minneapolis?
[SPEAKER_04]: Roman Reigns, Seth, Frick and Rollins?
[SPEAKER_02]: Roman wins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Roman gets a couple more soldiers in Talatanga and Tango Loa, no, not Tango Loatama, Tango and Tala.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tango Loa, gone, bye-bye.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tonga loa.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Tonga loa is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, bro.
[SPEAKER_04]: You out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but Tonga, Tonga is still with us.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tonga Tonga is still here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you're getting all these Tongas confused.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, but you are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tonga, Tonga needs to show, but like, you know, like the like Dudley, the Tonga.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Zilot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Tonga fun too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I think the street profits
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, this is basic road stuff or maybe even LA night and in solo come out to help or so I think I mean yeah building this up is like okay these finally these two guys are finally getting in the ring again they have such a big history and then making this a match between 10 people might be a little rough for me to take
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not going to last long.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be one of those things where it's like cameos and then they're chased off type of.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that five minutes of the Cody Rhodes Roman Reigns match from WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: You just take turns getting interference.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then they leave it.
[SPEAKER_04]: The final five minutes are still them to themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I could, okay, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[SPEAKER_02]: But man, the way you built this up.
[SPEAKER_02]: It has that little nagging thing in my head where it's like, oh no, I know that the usows are heels, but Roman still a baby face.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we need to turn sets of how to be a heel.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, no, I know what he is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kind of yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, do you see what happened on the last three rods?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the throwing is a heel in this match.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's so weird.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's the film of this match.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, the next night, they could very well turn a baby face back again if he doesn't have anything to do with Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, it's not pill because, you know, you're talking about Roman Reigns is going to go to Raw Rumble and have this big match potentially with the rocket, WrestleMania.
[SPEAKER_04]: Potentially, even Jacob Vattu on the card again here, a lot of options, a lot of options for Roman reigns.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but there's nothing interesting about Seth winning this title, so Roman's winning it.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't think so, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, so you have Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_04]: I would say Roman Reigns.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, there's meat on the bone with the bloodline, no matter which direction they go.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's still a lot of story to tell there.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm also surprised, Rollins was in this match to begin with.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I just don't feel like it was, it was time for this and then with the cell job of selling it like it's been four years like these two have such a big history together.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you probably could have saved for a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the crowd, the crowd thought so too because they healed on this match and then they healed on Seth Rollins from the very moment.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was, it was a sign.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's a very interesting main event.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's going on last.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think the match itself will be fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I do think that there's going to be a large portion of the crowd that if it just ends with Roman Reigns' rent winning are going to be like, oh, there's no Seth Bullshit, huh?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because I think people by now expect in big matches, some Seth Bullshit too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some Seth Bullshit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: They expected.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we,
[SPEAKER_04]: We're just not going to get that great A-Seth bullshit.