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[SPEAKER_02]: I go, where's Quinn?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, why isn't she on?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to text her and see where she is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you saw that you'd never had sent me to the link.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I did as I put it in a text and then I got another text and I thought I sent it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how you see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been here always in your heart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You be in the heart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You last night you did me a solid, my friend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I got it lasted and I thank you so much and I did something that I haven't done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I've been in New York almost 15 years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost, it's like a week out of my 15 year anniversary of living in New York.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And last night, I was getting on the train from,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uptown and I had to transfer and On the side of my track.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the F train and I was like great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got in all the sudden I'm over the bridge And I was like, this isn't the F train.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am not on the F train.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got on the fucking M train.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What does it even do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the thing is it's kind of a bullshit train.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're broken.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're like where are we going?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I got out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, so I could reverse, but then it was one of those train stations where you have to clock out

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just, instead, I walked, he'd be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I walked like 15 minutes to another train and took that home, but I was like, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was distracted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know why I was distracted, but I was distracted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why were you distracted?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I was like, am I going to run into an axe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That little distracted, all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll get you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll get you in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll get you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, what a time to be alive, huh?

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[UNKNOWN]: Don't leave me, I can't leave you, I can't leave you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you'll get a kick out of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when we went to France, I was reviewing our first, the Airbnb that I sat in with the Rogers, which was like in this cool place called LSEOTAT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like amazing beach vibes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very, very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking over there being B manual, they sent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, this is where this is, this is where this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a beautiful place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How to pull very nice in the midst of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get to a section in the manual that's like cats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it says, our cats are named ice and smoky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they just need water each day fresh water and if you could just refill the food in the morning and I was like, wait, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh!

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot have an Airbnb that asks people to pet fit as part of their stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a pretty fun and tricky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Privacy for someone to stay in your home and then be like in here's your responsibilities, toward an animal that lives there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was borderline because they were like, they don't come in the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are like outside cats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're outdoor cats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the food is outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just thought it was like interesting because Yeah, what was not going to be there with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I he felt the same way I did actually and which was like you can't Have somebody pay this amount of money to stay in your home and then

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[SPEAKER_01]: when you send a manual, have this information in it because you don't know, they might not be there for a couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They might be, it's like the idea of being what if I wanted to like rent that place, but I was a really rich, crazy person that was like in two of those nights, I'm going to go like sleep on a yacht, but all like they're almost there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just assumes like you're in control of my life in some way when I'm there and you can tell me that I need to do a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay to tell people like, here's where the trash goes and then if they can't get to it, they have to take it with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like the idea that I was responsible for these animals was truly bizarre.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to me it's like you just have to put it in the listing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if this is something you need people to do when you're listing the property,

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[SPEAKER_01]: on Airbnb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to have a section that you're looking by the way we do have cats and by the way they're outside animals but we are hoping that in renting this property you'll take on the responsibility of giving them fresh water and food each day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just don't think like not mentioning that and then like burying it after like where the dishwasher pods are is appropriate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm on your team on this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is okay, I was curious because I was like, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's very strange.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think also my heart, the hard part for me is I would feel such a level of responsibility.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you don't want to feel that on vacation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not like kind of why you're going on the vacation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, we were with kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the kids were very into like taking care of the cats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which I would that out of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was like, great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys, neither of these kids have their own pets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like they were excited at the novelty of feeding them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, what the fuck?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was probably like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to like rose thorn buffalo my trips since I can't tell you every story that happens in Buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be the buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rose thorn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Rose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This thorn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would say like rose thorn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But buffalo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But is like something beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be water color.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be like me trying to do water color.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The buffalo is like what is like a mitts the like what is the craziest thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the leg to decide?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you call it the buffalo because of the man that was just thrown into the air by a buffalo recently?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see that way?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I don't know about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was, I think it was in Yosemite, I don't know where it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's like Buffalo Jace was like, it's so scary.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like a cartoon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was an older man, which feels scary too, like Eek.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like that Buffalo charged at him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was paying for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was so scary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no answer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You would get for an answer because I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, do like try to climb a tree and like, no, then they're like Buffalo could ram into you and a tree like I don't know what I would do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he was just trying to run away And that's all you could do once a buffalo decides that's gonna fucking get ya.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're got and I got to tell you I've I've seen a buffalo

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[SPEAKER_01]: not big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are so fucking big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like, we have a narrative of big animals like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel that way like when we're in Rekka, we're doing what we would see like a moose and Matt would try to get close to take a picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be like, no way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that animal is, it's like the ocean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this thing that you're like, you think you know what this is and you don't and all it takes is for it to like turn on a dime and then you're a predator.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy because I was in, um, I'm trying to say in South Dakota where was I?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Where was I?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Billings Montana.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's where I was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was in Montana.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, or next to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was on Wheel of Fortune and I went with my friend Tess and we went to theater Roosevelt, which I could look up where that is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it in North Dakota?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it in South Dakota?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I being South Dakota guys?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we went and we were like looking for prairie dogs looking for the buffalo and like you're on a bike just like next to a fucking buffalo kind of just Non and you're like it's really unsettling and you're like don't get too close and you're like but also be prepared to like

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bike the fastest you've ever biked away from this thing, even though that thing would out survive me for sure, the amount of muscle that guy has, but you're like really close and you're like, I hope you don't attack me and then cars are driving, it's different if you're in a car because you can just be beat, scoot away, I was on a BC Clayton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great, yeah, that's really scary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other story I wanted to tell you that was a true crime story that happened was the fraud that was perpetrated while we were in niece, which was that we were walking around and we saw this guy by the beach that had was creating a sand sculpture of a dog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, wow, it's really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I had like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Blade almost, he was using to make this dog line down the sand sculpture, and Matt was like, oh my god, so cool and gave the kids some change to give to him, because he had the hat out or cut out or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we went about our day and then later on in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I say later on, I mean like eight hours later, we walk by.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he really was working on it still that hadn't made any progress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I don't understand what this guy's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he make a sculpture really early in the morning and then just push sand around?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was like, I just have a weird feeling map.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel weird feeling about that guy and he's like, what do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, it's not adding up for me that it's been all day and that nothing happened with the sculpture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, no, the dog had a bowl of food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, yeah, I saw that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not enough of a change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm getting weirded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to look it up when we get home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we go home and I looked up like dog, sand dog, like hoax or fraud or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was this, it's a trending in Europe thing where people are posted pictures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the same dog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in Copenhagen, I saw this dog and then I saw the same dog in Austria and then I saw the same dog in France and then I saw the same dog in Switzerland and you're like, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're basically buying this plastic mold of a dog and spraying it with something that looks like sand and then pretending that they'll sculpture of it but it was all the same dog like the picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's like this is not this one guy has the dog, you can get

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I should have known that because it was a rock-scammed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, it's a rocky beach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did he have these heads a lot of rocks?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's he getting sand to build this dog sculpture?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We, what did Matt say when he saw this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he just laughed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we gave the guy some change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not as far as travel, uh, frauds go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was a pretty wild.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's really wild.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to be an Edinburgh and see that and be like, fraud!

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you'll see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's your name, I just didn't fucking fucking get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was kind of like, huh, it doesn't really bother you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this guy is going to make some change sitting with this dog sculpture that he bought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought he made more, if he, listen, if he, if he, if he, if he, if he, if he, if he, if he, if he, but it's pretty quick, but if Matt put money in there, if you got Matt to put money in there, it's how I feel.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like you probably got a lot more money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Does Matt always give change to people?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just imagine him not, oh, see, I would imagine he's like, no, he's been very tight and he is, but he loves giving my need of people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually had to stop him for doing it because when he first moved to New York,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was giving money to everybody and he was giving money to the people that do the like I just need this amount of money to get a bus ticket to get home And he would let them do the whole long story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know how most New Yorkers are like sorry and just like walk on

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like not the identity, but not with like, let these people tell these fake, really long-sob stories that are kind of like the dog's culture, like trending.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like some of them are, you've heard them before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like some template, basically, and Matt would let them do the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he would give the person five dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This wouldn't for first not him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I would say to him, you know where the bus is, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where's that guy walking?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, into the park and I'm like, yeah, why do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You gave him enough to get on the bus?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think is going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to walk him babysat through this scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, are you getting it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to go ask that other lady for money to get on the bus now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you are you picking up when I'm laying down?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but I'll tell you, I've been nicest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God, we met this woman in France.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We bought a set, Adam and I went Sandwich shopping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Went to a place that's our fun way to show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That Maggie Kat stole us to go to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had been in our town, and this was so funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She'd been in our town.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, whatever you do in St. Remi get this sandwich and go to this other place for lunch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we go get the sandwiches and the sandwich lady was like, where are you going?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, we're going to a lake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a picnic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, how will you keep the sandwiches cool?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, oh, it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be in the car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she was like, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she starts looking in the back and she comes up with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: cooler backpack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, are you staying in the area?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, yeah, she's like, okay, just bring it back when you're done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she's like, oh, hang on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she started digging around in the back again, comes out with a blanket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, do you want to borrow this blanket for your picnic?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, yeah, there was the nicest lady in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we went to the restaurant that Maggie recommended.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I told the guy, I was like, my

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[SPEAKER_01]: anything to eat at your restaurant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, you spit this old graph to you French man, and he goes, who said that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I go, Maggie cats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, hmm, he looked really suspicious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why would you think you know my legs so bizarre?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was so angry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of, what was the food?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Totally delicious.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What would you get?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got everything you would picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a beef tartar and some kind of weird keysh thing that came with salad, steak and fries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, we got all the classics.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what was your favorite meal while you were in Europa?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_02]: France specifically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a lunch with Razi at a place and auntie, yeah, it was an auntie and the waitress was so nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of our kids broke a glass and she was super nice about it so that already was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the food was just like every single thing we ordered was beyond and it was all French people eating there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was off the beat and half and you were like, this is the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had like one meal like that and then I had one really good dinner in France that was um

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[SPEAKER_01]: also like small plates and every single thing was just so keen fabulous except actually we ordered three deserts which was a little crazy because it was just us and they had one desert but it was we were like this is not it like it was um it sounded like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like homemade chocolate gelato with olive oil and salt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is delicious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they need to be vinegar like was not to be I think they added literally no sugar like no sugar at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it really you were your taste buds were just confused you were like this is not dessert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do know it's far in the savory direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which I can't say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't say a lot of a place that had tomato basil as a flavor and beer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The lotto.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My favorite gelato in Italy to get is rice gelato.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, that sounds really good, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really rice gelato.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really, really, rice gelato.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Louis has mango sticky rice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In freezer section, or just in the store.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it has to be in the store.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they sell it in the money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am going to Edinburgh and there is a famous ice cream place there that has like very good gelato that it with funky flavors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to go visit that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I always get overwhelmed because I'm like, I just need you to know that he's next to me going,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't hear him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's happening literally next to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: While I'm recording, do you mind bringing those little funny guys in your room?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's, um, Have you ever seen the cutest man alive?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need just a loose guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you grab these?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring them in your room, okay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone, go in there, go in your house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just gonna take care of you while I record.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's so cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Greb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, sir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now do you wanna talk about murder?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you're listening to truly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Darkly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lovely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Quinlan Paznar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Carrie Ippumum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, and she gets to go first after we hear from these sponsors question mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I just want to tell you a little bit about some nuns that I read.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I read this really funny recent story funny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it's funny, but wait, I do want to say, do you know that there's a difference between sisters and nuns?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I didn't know this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was raised Catholic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not know this, and I'm probably wrong, but I want to say Sisters are the numbers of the church that we see, and they're usually doing outreach and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the sisters We see in their wearing habits all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nons Take a vow of prayer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I believe in our Our cloistered so Nons

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[SPEAKER_02]: are in and there's a convince actively praying for you and me right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nuns take of out pair and they go and they just pray for everyone in the world.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we don't see nuns, they exist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We see sisters, but the nuns are out there

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[SPEAKER_01]: nuns, I mean, there are these Austrian nuns, I don't know, tell me what you think, if they sound like none here enough for you, they were supposed to, they were living at a castle named Shlosh Goldenstein and it used to be private school that started in 1877 and then actually interestingly enough, they did start accepting boys like 10 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it became a convent and sister Bernadette started going to the school in 1948, sister Regina came in 1958 and then sister Rita a few years after that and all three of them worked at the school as teachers and even sister Regina she was headmistress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Slowly less and less nuns started attending the school and then in 2022 the Archdiocese of Salzburg takes it over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somehow it all falls apart and in 2024 they're like we're going to dissolve this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you already lived here in your nun you have a lifelong right to stay in the castle as long as your healthy enough to stay in the castle and then in December of 2023

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[SPEAKER_01]: These nuns get forcibly removed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're basically like, you're old, you're in your 80s now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're 8886 and 82.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's time for you to get moved into some kind of old folks home, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these three Austrian nuns are like, we don't want to go to a retirement when we want to stay in our house, which is this convent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, nope, you got to move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they take them out and put them in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so these nuns are like really, really sad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they start writing their old students and they tell them about how bummed they are and the students are like, let's fucking get you this will not stand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just one of that stand I love how sister Regina or whoever certainly let's get them in there and they get a locksmith.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They break back into their home and just are living here and Sister Rita says, I'm so pleased to be home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was always homesick at the care home and I'm just so happy and thankful to be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, look, we were not asked and we had a right to stay here until the end of our lives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That right was broken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've been, and it was so funny because people are like, you guys are nons and you broke into this church and sister burned it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like, yeah, I've been obedient my whole life, but this was too much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just... Go sister Bernie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: when they showed up in the church, there was no electricity or water anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they had to get help getting everything turned back on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The people are coming out and be like, no, these old women can't say here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the rooms are not usable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have what you need to live here and be safe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is very precarious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're worried about health conditions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the nuns are like, sorry, we're staying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to leave electricity and water.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten turned back on people that know about the nuns, brought them groceries, sent doctors to visit them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, the whole town and all these people that the nuns who lives the nuns have touched throughout their lives are making sure that these nuns can stay in this convent because that's their wish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this woman that was helping them said gold scene without the nuns is just not possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we basically like we need them to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's their home and we need to fill it there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we all, if they need us, we will help them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll make sure they have what they need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're used to be an elevator for them and the elevators in disrepair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're like, we're gonna use the fucking stairs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're staying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the nuns said, before I die in that old people's home, I would rather go to a metto and enter eternity that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, I hear you, that makes perfect sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just wanted to tell you that they're getting what they need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to tell you that story because I started reading about nuns when I read this thing about how in the Middle Ages,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really traumatizing to be a nun, because a lot of the time it was not your decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your parents were like, we're going to put you get thee to a convent to borrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for you to turn to a convent, it was about celibacy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was about control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They only being really poor and not being able to support their kid and be like, I guess you should become a nun so that somebody else will feed in house you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to tell you about two cases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're very short of mass hysteria that took place, that they think might have taken place because of how stressful those conditions were.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the first one is that there was, it happened in France in a convent, and one of the nuns that was there just started mowing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One day, so it's Griffin, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, Oh, we're there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's so cute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know if he was there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The reveal of a little shirtless griff next to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you have to censor the stories too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God this story isn't insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a good one in tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I realize I had to switch stories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna tell the much more upsetting one after I get combed for the Patreon episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the nun starts meowing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fairy tale, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a bunch of other nuns hear her and their reaction is to start meowing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they said the noise got really structured where everyone was in unison just nowing together and they would do this for hours at a time at maybe the same time of day and people that lived nearby could hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine living near a convent where you just hear this collective Nowing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't know what to do so these soldiers come in there like, hey, we're gonna whip you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you- What?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nowing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No!

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's what I love.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right now Quinn is telling the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just need to know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Quinn is telling the story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Griffin is behind her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just Griffin is spunk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can do it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Playing with this, making his animals swim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she's casually mentioning these nuns getting whipped.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a comedy to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When they were like, hey, we're going to whip you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, and they did stop me out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it gave everybody a creeped feeling because

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[SPEAKER_01]: in medieval Europe, they linked cats to witchcraft and demonic practices.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it people were really anxious about this meowing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other story is in Germany in the 15th century where a nun started biting the other nuns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's not like a little bit of time elapses in the other nuns again, just like the meowing are like, this is what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and they all start biting a bunch of biting nuns, biting each other and it's like the thought was, is it rabies or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they infected with something that has led them to this behavior?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it seems like it might have just been vampires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It got like, and when you try to find out like how do it stop?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every article that you can find is like they got tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got tired, like they stopped because they got tired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got tired.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Quinn, it's a reasonable answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sop is our um...

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know a lot of details about either of these stories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not clear to me if they're lower or real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was reading that often the source for the meowing nuns is from the epidemics of the Middle Ages, which was a book published in London in 1844.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that it was in German.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll read you a little piece of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have read in a good medical work that a nun in a very large convent in France began to mue like a cat shortly afterwards under nuns also mueed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At last all the nuns mueed together every day at a certain time for several hours, the whole surrounding Christian neighborhood heard, with equal chagrin and astonishment this daily cat concert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which did not cease until all the nuns were informed that a company of soldiers were placed by the police before the entrance of the convent and that they were provided with rods and would continue whipping them until they promised not to mu anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is like, there's documentation of it, but no one ever says what the convent was and there's no date on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like wiggly, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thought that I just kept reading that everybody's like, you know what, I think that what happened here was mass hysteria because so many of these women felt like they were socially isolated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were also not eating a lot, they were being deprived, they were frustrated, they were angry, they were sick of praying, it was a situation where they needed some kind of outlet for anger and frustration and whether that took

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the form of meowing or biting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was this need to have kind of a breakdown, so it was

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[SPEAKER_01]: This happens a lot, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like somebody does something, and it's almost like, I would say speaking angel tongues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think speaking in tongues is probably a similar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, phenomenon where I think like if you see these mega churches and stuff for people that are like or they've revivalists and people speaking in tongues and you're like, what is happening?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because that's not, I mean, I, I maybe, I'm gonna be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that to be able to buy it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't buy it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, and I hope this isn't controversial for some of our listeners.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe speaking in tongues.

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[SPEAKER_02]: is actually the Lord your Savior.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it is, Fwalada, I think it's like, it's like shared psychosis.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like power of suggestion, which I think again, like

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've talked about how maybe ghost stories can be that, how like, in the in the story of um, the tsunami in Japan where like a bunch of people started seeing things and it's like that trauma does yield some of those results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to also just tell you now that I've reached the end here that this came from how StephWorks.com, curious archive and BBC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take it away, Kerry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got this from the New York Times Wikipedia and the Smithsonian go off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to talk about Emma August hemp-stead and she grew up in the early—I think she's born on the teen, so let's just place in where—what she's wearing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's bustles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's puffed sleeves, you know, but she's pretty hot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's hot to trot, and in 1835 she's 17 or 19 years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I don't know is because two articles said two different ages.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did the math.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was 17, but in another article it said she was 19.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't be trusted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So either way, she's a teenager in the 1800s and she marries a guy 20 years older than her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Could that be my future?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I can tell you is I can't go past an age, but maybe I'll be date marrying someone older.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But she marries

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then George dies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing about marrying an older man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They may be die before you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And his life insurance policy is $10,000, which is a decent amount as they call an article a tidy sum, which a tidy sum I like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A tidy sum I like, but what do you mean it mean?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a modest amount of money, a tidy sum, but it's not enough to support her family forever, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she can't, that's, or the way she wants to live, is the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she ends up meeting this dentist, Dr. Harvey Burdell, and he's a well-to-do, a prosperous dentist, as one is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he owns a mansion on 31 bond street in New York and apparently before the Civil War,

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a rich man, la-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, she moved in, I think she wanted to get married, but I think he didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's unclear, but what we do know is she moved in and she was not his wife and there were rumors of a sexual relationship with Dr. Harvey Burdell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, but Dr. Harvey Burdell, not a great guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had a reputation which wasn't good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were rumors of embezzlement.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had unpaid debts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At previously he was going to get married and on the day of the wedding he was like, hey, my fiance's father.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want $20,000 or I walk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the debt was like fuck that and canceled the wedding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's stories of him sleeping with patients and he preferred teenagers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just not good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a pedophile, a rapist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's stories of him and Emma traveling to Saratoga Springs together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She got pregnant and she was expecting him to propose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, he was like, you need to get an abortion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she did get an abortion at his bidding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And

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[SPEAKER_02]: In this story they were like, it wasn't just one, a lot of these procedures were done in his dentists chair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was also performing them on her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Still she behaved like they were together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when she was a tenant of his, she was ordering food, hiring maids, dining at the table with him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They at one point,

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a breach of promise suit that she brought in 1856, which was the final attempt she had of getting him to legitimize their relationship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she started noticing that he was paying attention to other women and it was making her really anxious and she was like, he's going to leave me and I have nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they fought constantly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Neighbors report that they heard them shouting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He kept refusing her request to get married and he said to a friend that he would not marry the best woman living.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This man was a declared bachelor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's January 31, 1957, and every morning there's a young boy, servant boy, who goes and tidies up the office and lights a fire for that day for the dentist.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he goes in and he finds Dr. Harvey's body.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is dead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He has been stabbed 15 times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's been signs of a struggle, so this whoever attacked Dr. Harvey Burdell,

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[SPEAKER_02]: is also injured and also probably the size of the man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When he was discovered, servants had recalled hearing two people fight the night before, but they didn't pay any mind, but they were like, yeah, there was a fight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a kerfuffle last night, if I remember correctly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So based on what they see, he was stabbed 15 times, and they determined that the assailant was left-handed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: On the night of the murder, that night when the coroner starts like looking through everything, Emma comes up and she's like, hey, look, I'm married to this man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she reveals a marriage certificate from October 28th, 1956.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, so I've been three months married to this man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm entitled to some of his, to some of his estate as his widow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, another thing about Emma is she is left-handed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she becomes an immediate suspect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, okay, we have motive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, she has access to his fortune.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They also were fighting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Things like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His estate was worth $100,000.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that also included a lot of the townhouse and a lot of properties.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, just want to clarify, at the scene of the crime, there is evidence of a struggle, and Emma is a petite woman, and she has a rheumatoid author.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's not like a fully physically capable person to have done this on her own if that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what is customary at the time in the corner, investigates is everybody's put on a house arrest, which is fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there is like sequester everyone, and then like you can't leave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At his funeral, people are allowed to leave and go and apparently eight thousand people try to get into the church at the service and Emma was so distraught that she threw herself on Dr. Harvey's casket, which people were like, this feels like a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This feels like a little bit of a showing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So 14 days after his body is discovered, they bring all this information to a grand jury and Emma is indicted for the murder of Dr. Harvey Perdale.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's put in jail, she's put in jail, to await her trial, and this trial becomes an insane media circus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So much later, people will compare, like people say she's the OJ Simpson of her time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, people are writing about her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's all these rumors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She does not testify at the trial, but one of Harvey's maids will testify that she had a conversation soon before his death where she, where Emma had like seen him walking around with the woman.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she asks this maid, she says, who is that woman Hannah, you are showing the house today?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes, that was the lady who is going to take the house.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then the doctor is going to leave it, is he?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, ma'am.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When does she take the possession, the first of me?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He better be careful, he may not live to sign the papers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So people think this is pretty damning that this is putting her in another position where she wanted to kill him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the other borders, it's worth noting, I think his name is John Eccles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, he might have been an accessory, and I think he was actually labeled as such and was indicted for such the case didn't go any further, but there's also rumors that he and Emma were having an affair, but the jury didn't hear all of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: While this trial is happening, looking in another court of the legitimacy of this marriage license, they wonder if she went, even with this border who was wearing a beard, and faked this marriage license to have her have access, and then they plotted to kill him together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the working theory.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the trial, she did not testify, and on trial was a lot of Harvey's

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[SPEAKER_02]: dealings, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So obviously we have this made saying that he may not live to sign the papers, but we're also hearing that Harvey was not a good guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had debts, investment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was assaulting patients.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So...

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a hard case to try because he was not a sympathetic victim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they came back with a not guilty verdict for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she was able to walk free.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, again, we don't know if she did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know what happened there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't a good guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she was able to walk free, but the media painted her as the ultimate villain and that a guilty person walked free.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so she was ostracized in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So while she's waiting to see if the marriage license would hold up, what you need to know is that marriages were conducted by clergymen and front-of-witnesses, but they were not registered to any office to make it legal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like there's no way to really prove it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like you had to be there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The marriage certificate that she had was signed by both clergymen, both Emma and Harvey and then two witnesses, and the clergymen there recalled the event, but the only way to invalidate it was to prove that it was not Harvey Burdell who was at the ceremony or at the wedding himself.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The surrogate's decision was going to come later, but before that, and it was like, I need a little bit more legitimacy to make this work in my favor, and she's like, oh my god, you guys, I'm pregnant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm pregnant and she's getting bigger and people are like, is she stuffing her dresses with pillows and shit?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, no, I am a with child.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like, we'd love to have a doctor check you out, girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, I will only see my doctor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what happens is she suddenly goes into labor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: she is given medication.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she appears with a baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, it seems like she did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had a baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She had the air.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what happens is soon after the lead prosecutor along with the chief of police show up with the baby's mother.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Before this, they had marked the baby under the arms the little acid to give it a little marking and the mom's like, that's my baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, wait, what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And apparently what happened was the doctor she contacted, which is Dr. Dalam Montagna, she was like, I need a baby, I need a thousand, I'll give you a thousand dollars for a baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what she didn't know is the doctor that she asked, is the godfather of the district attorney prosecutors daughter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he's like, sick, let's make this a trap for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he starts being like, okay, what's the deal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they have all this evidence.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the time they get the baby away from her, give it back to the mother, Emma is arrested, taken to the tombs, but her attorney comes and is like, this is entrapment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't do this, and so she's let off Scott Free.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not tried for this, because they don't have enough evidence, and it's like all of it is entrapment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the baby scam, even though it was fabricated in the engineer, it was even though she totally participated in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was fabricated in an engineer and by the DA, so she couldn't be tried, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The judge who's determining this marriage license is like, here's the baby scam, so he's obviously prejudiced against her in this way and influence, and he rules that although she might be married, and she was acquitted of any wrongdoing, she will not inherit any money or property from Harvey Perthel's estate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What you need to know is PT Barnum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Here's about this and it's like, I can make some money off of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's a bigger, more and every minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On from Barnum, the musical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pretty showman, the Barnum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've not seen it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know more musicals than I do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let it be known.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was in Barnum in high school.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're in Barnum?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I bet that was really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to see a video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know that, I would love to see a video.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The PT Barnum ended up reaching out to the mom and the baby that was gonna be used as Harvey's heir.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he ended up putting the kid on display, on display, on display, each and every day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The day of the day, the day of the day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he got a little cash-o-luff from that and then went on to live as a free woman But again, she was never really free because she was always suspected of being involved in the murder and years later Scholars will say, no, she was pretty much involved But she was broke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't just broke as a joke by the end of the year, and so she's like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go on to greener pastures.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She moves at West

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[SPEAKER_02]: She goes out there, she remarries some guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She sets her kids up in marriages.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then by the time it's 1887, she's like, I want to go back home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she comes back to New York.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she dies at the home of her cousin at the right page of 69, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The murder of Dr. Harvey Burdell was never solved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People believe she did have involvement in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, she did have an accomplice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's so much information too that you're like all of this is first-hand information from a lot of media reports which I know were deep in sensationalism and so like how much of this is true?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we really believe all of us?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like my story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's the theme today is how much can we even believe?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, do we believe the shit that's coming out of our mouth?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know where she's buried?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope

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[SPEAKER_00]: greenwood cemetery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, she's married.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's buried in greenwood cemeteries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can visit her gravestone on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It says 1818 to 1887, may God rest her troubled soul, which feels like a slight, and then there's a tree.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's funny is Dr. Harvey Burdell's grave?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a hundred yards

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's etched with the tree, and it says, we humbly besieged the of Father to raise us from the life of righteousness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That when we shall depart this life, we may rest in Him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the two of them are in neighbors for all of eternity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And did she kill Him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did she have to have a hand in killing Him?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What we do know is she did not have a baby by Him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is what we do know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When this article was like, yeah, they dropped a couple ass jobs of acid on the underarms of the mother and the baby.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think to match them to make it like, this is my baby, but I'm like, can't you use a marker?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you use some ink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, y'all didn't have a sharpie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did a job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did a quick face tattoo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seems unnecessary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saved the best for last reach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gonna sing a song.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have a we have patrons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Denise and Maddie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you did it, you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you at least be my wife, Denise?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very romantic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is very romantic and a little of a theme.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't say that because we're going to put this in the beginning of episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we're going to keep it at the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I think we should put this in the beginning because then they can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to add it that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Too lazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Too lazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think it's a nice way to end?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a wrong thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But also I feel like they're gonna want it, listen to it and be like, oh, you think that they're not gonna tune in for the whole episode?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think that they became patrons of subscribers and they're gonna get bored during this and turn it off in the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That seems like pretty insane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maddie, you're a baddie and you love to daddy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maddie, you're cool and you're a fool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're not a fool, you are so freaking cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maddie, you're a baddie and we're here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You are so cool and we like to drill over you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maddie, you are just a baddie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: great you did it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hey you know it did you know what that did change my spirits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it lifted them right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It lifted them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Praise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I praise be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice to go out on a on a different kind of note sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quite literally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice to keep people on their toes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nice to never do the same thing the same way twice

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was wondering how you gonna end it.

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