[SPEAKER_00]: The Survivor Specialists are back and for one last time, I am joined by Wes from once upon an island.
[SPEAKER_00]: Episode number 10 of winning Survivor are final episode of this series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today we're gonna be talking about the winners of 46 through 50, the most recent winners at least up to this date of Survivor and, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, I said it last night, we did 41 to 45, just less than 12 hours ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, I feel like today is going to be more of the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do feel like today is going to be a lot more of the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we have a lot of under the radar, quiet games.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for as much as Jeff wants us to be about big moves and all that, you can look through as much as you want, a big move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Rachel playing the idol correctly, you could consider a big move, but also like that's the only time in the rest of the game she's playing out of the radar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited to discuss these five winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there are five solid winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there are five winners who tried like who came in with their own distinct personalities, their own distinct mindset of what survivors should be, but the end of the day all played pretty similarly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They all got funneled into the same kind of gameplay due to the repetitive nature of the same twists and stuff of the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: Something else worth mentioning that we didn't mention in the previous five seasons as that themes are gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing three tribes a season.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very predictable.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only difference is maybe a tribeswap, maybe, depends on season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the first thing we did that was 45.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but it's just been like the same thing basically every single season, and they'll, you know, though, the other fake, fake merge, whether the merge story, you got to earn the merge, whatever variant of that they're doing, followed by a normal episode, which is usually the best episode of the, of the merge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the episode after that is, oh, let's let up everyone into two tribes so we can have two true different tribal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you could have just done that before the merge.
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't have to wait till after the merge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're in the momentum of what
[SPEAKER_01]: single season, but it's still an extra nonsense, and especially like it was so hilarious when we get to 50 and it's like the blood moon, this is a new twist.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's the same twist, it's the 10th birthday, it's the 10th time we've done this twist, it's just different version of it, you know, it's just a different version.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just honestly the worst version.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it is, because they just took the control out of all the player's hands as quickly as possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes Jeff like five minutes to explain it, but like yeah, we got it within the first 20 seconds, Jeff.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to keep explaining it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, five minutes of the edited show to explain this blood moon twist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're splitting everybody up got a general brutal brutal episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: yeah so so here we are we're gonna be starting off with Kenzie tonight from season 46 somebody who we rank pretty low in our winter ranking she has said that she wouldn't play survivor again I believe her I mean since the so ended she went and played or she went ahead two kids and she is now
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a mom who has her own business, who has the million dollars, who honestly is tired of hearing the shit about everything that went on with her in Charlie and Maria and all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't blame her for kind of being like, this is enough for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of Kenty's game, this is a social social social social social game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And 46 is such a crazy season because 46 has all these blind sides with idols and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenzie's a part of some of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not a part of all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm curious where you're going to land on Kenzie in terms of, is this a game that you want to try to emulate or is this a game that you think was flukey?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that there's an answer to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious where you stand on it because I feel like people are split.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Kenzie's game doesn't stand out amongst so many other games.
[SPEAKER_01]: She played a solid game.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was on a disaster tribe in the beginning.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think surviving a disaster tribe is...
[SPEAKER_01]: is something we don't always see with winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: We normally see winners only go to like one tribal in the pre-emerge or at worst too, but like so being on a disaster tribe and have to go to multiple tribes like three or four or whatever is something different so she did survive the disaster tribe and cue the cue loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somehow cue was not one of the bottom three players on their own childhood tribe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy enough to go on the first you vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, she survived Jolinsky I can't say she survived Jess.
[SPEAKER_01]: She bullied Jess.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's really, I don't know that's a worse move But definitely worse character moment was her and Tiffany bullying Jess and you know how dumb is this girl?
[SPEAKER_01]: That she won't even find her fake idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know like all that's like, oh, man That's absolutely the two-hour disaster.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's on raise my hand?
[SPEAKER_00]: The Jess should have never been on survivor man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I give her, you're gonna run with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like Kenzie and Tiffany had every right to be absolutely aggravated by Jess.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's my take.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I said that when I watched Season 46 too.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just, I think Jess, the game was too much for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kenzie and...
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany, like, I understood their frustration.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of like, you know, people don't like the word bully, but I kind of like when we see people actually going at it and being aggravated by people, but that's just my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with people being aggravated.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it was because of the episode so long, it felt like it just kept going on and on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like a one little, one minute segment of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it just kept going.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just kept going so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it just felt, it got to the point, it's like, okay, it feels like bullying out to this gone for so long in the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas had a better 42 minute episode, it would have been a one minute segment just as annoying us, oh, I can't believe her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would have been fine, but I think it's got going going.
[SPEAKER_01]: But my point is that Jess was recruited, which was ironic because she revealed that information.
[SPEAKER_01]: During 46, I think after she got booted and Jeff was on his podcast saying we don't recruit anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says we don't recruit anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Literally, Jess then says I was recruited.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm inclined to believe a person has no financial incentive to lie to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jess isn't total outlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't a fan of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: She had no idea what she was signing up for.
[SPEAKER_00]: The game, like I said, it was way too big for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could tell that she wasn't a massive, you know, I'm going to keep applying, I'm going to keep applying, I'm going to keep applying, I'm going to keep applying kind of person.
[SPEAKER_00]: It came through in the edit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was, it was, especially after she's in 45 with how bad some of the pre-merged
[SPEAKER_00]: I think 46 to have Jess go there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, okay, why are we doing with the casting choice?
[SPEAKER_00]: And with Banu being so one note, never having a chance to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the show was feeling a little bit like a head scratcher at this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though I actually enjoy 45 and 46 a lot, they were starting to put a little bit of, I don't want to be mean, but like they're put a little fat on the show of like, why are we not trimming this?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of people applying.
[SPEAKER_00]: How is this happening?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why are we, why are we recruiting anybody?
[SPEAKER_01]: And why are we still not cast from four different states at this point?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the 46 seasons of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: They finally have us Virginia player in 51.
[SPEAKER_01]: Took them long enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Still waiting on Alaska and New Mexico and North Dakota, just insane.
[SPEAKER_01]: And say, but yeah, in fact, and that's both casting directors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna like, is he gonna be like, that's just just, you can't imagine, mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's everybody, yeah, that's both, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Randon goes, and episode three, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I heard,
[SPEAKER_01]: rumors behind I heard rumors that he was actually pulled from the show and they framed it as a medical evacuation that makes sense Why was he pulled?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know he broke a rule or something That this is kind of like the Jake being bit by a snake and they're like, well, they just found excuse to pull him from the game It was a cool medical thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might be a little online
[SPEAKER_00]: mumbo jumbo conspiracy theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Brandon actually did like get severely injured and I was pulled from the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why it's just where I'm not going to see him be like, Oh, I know this happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just heard a rumor about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I asked the follow question of how do you know this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or what do you mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, no response, which makes me, oh, okay, so just saying stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, always believe everything you read on the internet people.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one place you can trust every single person's the internet.
[SPEAKER_01]: We stand with you all things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, we watch Kenzie's game very early on here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we see her with Tiffany and we see Q saying that she's dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see Bono calling her the mermaid drag and all of those things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she never, I don't think she gets any votes in those episodes, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: She goes through the entire premerge also because people are able to play shot the dark and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not getting any votes and then she gets into the merge and still not getting any votes as far as I remember I don't know if she gets a vote the entire she got a vote the entire I am looking right now close.
[SPEAKER_01]: She does I think when she Venus She is she's four votes off a perfect game.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one during the game
[SPEAKER_01]: and then throw the address that was being asked to go for her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, yeah, my whole, my whole point is, yeah, being as unobend voted for Kenzie, remember?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the, oh, we were voting, or what were you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: So his was kind of like a read a vote for Earl accidentally.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Ben came on our podcast and actually confirmed that he had no idea why he voted for Kenzie that night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he really didn't have like a crowd of art.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the thing is,
[SPEAKER_00]: On my point with this is Kenzie Social Game is very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also don't think that she was seen as a threat by most players who were playing the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And which is why she's not getting the votes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like some people aren't getting votes because they're winning immunities or because they're just in the right alliance or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenzie, I don't feel like was ever seen as the threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany was seen as a threat, Maria was seen as a threat, Charlie was seen as a threat, like Hunter was seen as a threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenzie kind of flew under the radar, which is a good strategy, but it also comes back to kind of who Kenzie is a person.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of the, you know, she's got all the tattoos.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the hair stylist.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's smaller than everybody else out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Those two minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does win the moon of these, but those are things that work to her benefit for her to be able to stay under the radar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas like Tiffany walks in a room and you're like, oh shit, like this is the strongest woman on this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was fascinating to watch how Kenzie used meat shields, but I don't think she purposefully used meat shields.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that just kind of happened for her and it wasn't a, I'm making this happen in the same way that Jeremy made it happen in second chance, or we've seen Tony even winners at war.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she was looking for me chills.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think she ended up with me chills.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her tribe was just full of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her tribe was full of people that needed to go before her and put a target on their back from Jolensky to Bonu.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say Jess.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a cute and Tiffany.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like four out of the five people she was with.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we're asking to be go before her.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just bigger targets for one reason or another.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, uh, this season, we got to talk about Liz, uh, Liz helping, wasn't Liz helping Kenzie when immunity over Maria.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like Jeff's just like, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: No other time is this ever been fine, but this time it's fine, because I guess it wasn't a game to not mistake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, that's literally what I was just going to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch South Pacific, you see Jeff Yel.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to beat Ozzy, you're going to do it yourself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not must protect Ozzy at all costs.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like Maria older woman, Yucky, get her out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff has no interest in the younger woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have it are the older woman having any shot at winning survivor that would be boring.
[SPEAKER_00]: or we don't have time for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Liz helped Kenzie be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, please, please, please, while you're at it, go find Q and bring them back into the game too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please bring them back, bring them back.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, I hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: My thing was people try to say Kenzie and Liz cheated.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Jeff's not going to call it, it's not cheating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only cheating if it's actually against the rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff and production and all the people who work in standards and practices and stuff, they're all standing there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody called it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not cheating.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we see Tiffany get called for cheating air quotes in season 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll call it if they see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This wasn't cheating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and even that in 50, that was bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just those bad on production.
[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't even Tiffany's fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, to production screw that up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so Kenzie gets the file free face off against Charlie beats him five to three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, notoriously Maria votes for Kenzie because of the glint and Kenzie's eye during firemaking because it definitely wasn't file tribal because at the reunion or whatever, Maria that Jeff asks, who changed their vote during or what file tribal decided your vote?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like who who who who had found trial outside of the vote?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maria didn't raise their hand.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was supposedly the fire making.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if this is true, if Charlie makes fire and wins instead of Kenzie, just Charlie gets Maria's vote.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does the glint hit Charlie's eye just right as he's making fire?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Maria's is lying.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has a good ego to hold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maria was never voting for Charlie to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was always going to be Kenzie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was going to be always whatever reason she wanted to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maria can do what she wanted.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know Maria has taken a lot of shit for that vote in recent, you know, since it happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's what happens when you go on survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you make a decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like the internet's going to be ruthless if the internet wants to be ruthless.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now for me, that,
[SPEAKER_00]: Maria vote doesn't necessarily take away from Kenzie's win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben would have voted for Charlie though, like Charlie winning the game if it's a tie at four to four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but it doesn't mean that Kenzie's win is now suddenly worse to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just means.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenzie's Kenzie did what she had to do at the right moment, but I'm not going to say the firemaking was her best move because I think the Hunter boot is actually the moment that is her best move on the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: When they vote Hunter out and he looks back and it's like, should I play the idol and she's like, no, you're good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she votes him out on the revote and it's like she sets him up so damn well and just blinds him and to me, that's her best
[SPEAKER_01]: really just surviving her tribe in the post merge as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Q was just unpredictable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they were like, we got a year or two Q.
[SPEAKER_01]: She worked with a while with Tiffany.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiffany gets cut earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: All these people going to row with idols.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we talked about every season.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's luck for the winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: D had luck as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about the issue with two one one one one one vote or whatever with Katura.
[SPEAKER_01]: The luck here is definitely that these people weren't playing the idol in their pocket four times in a row.
[SPEAKER_01]: in St. St.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was five total on season four times in a row.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kenzie's best move.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really was that she like we saw it and I know the emphasized it with her and Ben because Ben would have his night time.
[SPEAKER_01]: tears, I forget exactly what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has been the night of the show and Kenzie being empathetic towards them, which gave me the impression.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, bend the deciding vote for Kenzie to win if Kenzie wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just seemed like the way they're leaning to it and they've been ended up being a non vote and Ben had he voted what he voted for Charlie.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was just showing Kenzie's empathetic side.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess in a way those easily understandable on Survivor on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think she was just making good relationships.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was very obviously clear the entire season, which was, it felt different than D in that aspect, because we had more time to actually show relationships and Kenzie is not D. The East, ruthless, Kenzie is not ruthless in the same way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Ben had said numerous times that almost everybody would get up and like comfort him when he was having his night terrors.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just Kenzie, but because she's going on to be the winner of this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's who they're gonna show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he would have voted for Charlie for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, him and Charlie are like best buddies right now in real life.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's gonna turn around.
[SPEAKER_00]: and vote for Kenzie there at Final 3.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her worst move is when Tiffany goes, because she had been talking about blindsiding Tiffany and having the understanding that Tiffany needed to go, but the fact that she votes for Q and votes with Tiffany and allows Charlie and Maria to make the move and claim the move, the voting out Tiffany, that was her worst move, and that was the one time in the game that she really, really, really let her guard down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know yesterday,
[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about a lot of these winners and it's hard to pinpoint their worst move because we don't necessarily see a lot of their games So we don't like I'm and then when we do we're releasing the good moments or they don't go to a lot of tribals Or they're not really controlling things or not making bad moves This is a bad move from Kenzie and it's actually immediately after her best move, which was getting rid of Hunter Right, yeah, it's nice to see a winner have ups and downs because it does feel like at times that they sand away all the edges and make the downs almost
[SPEAKER_01]: At imperceptibles at the word, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just makes like almost like the downs are like the gloss over them really quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we're gonna talk about Savannah today.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Savannah is a case of when she had downs.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were like quick, very quick to like, you know, don't worry, Savannah's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like don't worry, Savannah's just fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're feeling down there for a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Savannah's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I felt walking Savannah's, but like Kenzie, I didn't get the same sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kenzie and Charlie Boatka, a sob story
[SPEAKER_01]: the letters and this was the last season where you need this officer to be the winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Rachel doesn't get one Rachel doesn't get one I don't think Kyle got one I don't think Savannah got one unless Savannah got one it's when she got fire from her job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that would be like with pictures, soft stories like with pictures and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the classic, how they established soft stories since 41, Kenzie Charlie, both get it at the letters and it really felt like at that moment, if you had an already figured it out, it's like these two are the front runners to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the things to it has to be one of these.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just how the story was painted.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the letters was, next last episode anyways, like I think most people have figured out it's one of these two has to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: certainly wasn't cute, wasn't Liz, like Liz's a meme, especially after the whole burger incident and Applebee's and all that, especially.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now I mean Liz, Liz, I would have loved to see Liz at a final travel because I'd love to make her make that pitch of like I actually have no money.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just telling you guys that to get me here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to see if how many votes that could actually get her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maria, if she gets to the end, maybe had a chance to win, but she never really had a chance to get to the end, and I feel I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember talking to people throughout the entire season, people felt like Charlie was an obvious winner, and I was like, I think it's Kenzie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Kenzie is, you know, not to, again, not to be like knocking on Kenzie, but it's like she's less compelling of a narrator than Charlie is.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the type of person who generally gets overshadowed, and that's like what I always said with Michelle Fitzgerald.
[SPEAKER_00]: and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're seeing a winner, Gable or fits into this, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're seeing a player who doesn't need to be getting professionals, get them all the time, they're probably going to win the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kenzie was somebody that they kept checking in with and they kept checking in for very often.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're thinking about they have Tiff and Q on that tribe,
[SPEAKER_00]: And Bono, who had the record.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gordon-Pauli narrators.
[SPEAKER_00]: Confessionals in the pre-merge until, say, came along.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you think about having a tribe of those three people, plus Jillinsky doing this whole several thing, and they're still managing to give us plenty of Kenzie, they're telling us something with that story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I felt like it was going to be Kenzie, but then at the final tribal, you sit there and you start counting the numbers and you're heading, you're like, well, maybe it is going to be Charlie, because, you know, Maria's going to vote this way, Maria's vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're talking like what is one of the biggest backstabs in survivor history, like if you're doing top top five that is a top five survivor backstab is voting for Kenzie over Charlie like that is at the same level as you know Jesse getting rid of Cody Russell Hans getting rid of Danielle like however far back you want to go this isn't a oh I'm flipping the numbers like we see in our cases like there's really no betrayal there but in terms of like an actual backstab slash betrayal of an ally this is the biggest one in the history of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to throw out there too since Bonnie has been mentioned multiple times.
[SPEAKER_01]: One is that our phrase in the podcast is number two on the charts and number one in your hearts.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that Bonnie inspired that because he's trying to win a million hearts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think we joked about it enough we just made like the phrase on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the other one is is that this was back during the on fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like the first season of on fire fill with Jeff.
[SPEAKER_01]: was actually his most honest if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: His most revealing of his thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then 45, he like, just rails on Adam for casting people, 345, I mean, 245, just rails on Adam for helping them cast people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then 46, he goes on a huge like monologue about how Bonu is an amazing character.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you don't see it, that's a personal problem that you need to look at yourself in the mirror and figure out what's wrong with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm paraphrasing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even possible podcast, I remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I listened to the podcast after the season's done.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like binge the whole thing because I don't want to be tainted during the season because Jeff and company does talk about the winner by the way, if you were wondering, for 43 through 44 through 49, the person they bring up on podcast the most is always the future winner, but they won't say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they'll they talked about Kyle more than Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: they talked about rage you get the idea they always talk about the winner more than anyone else and it kind of gives it away on the podcast even though um... from what i heard is that the on fire co-host doesn't know the winner is if they didn't already know through the fire community
[SPEAKER_01]: But Jeff obviously knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he knows and the producer of the podcast sort of Jay Wolf or I really like I'm sure He knows I don't know if he knows for sure, but Jeff knows that's so the winner gets brought more than anyone else It was 46 they got he has a huge long monologue about Bonnie and how amazing Bonnie is now They're gonna they're gonna bring him back look for more boys than we all see any more Bonnie's and Bonnie doesn't come back and it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of that might have been trying to offset some of the hate Bono was getting online because it was absurd and I think Jeff was just trying to simmer that a little but yeah, Jeff had said something online to think if you don't like Bono you don't like casting or something like that and I was like dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, like just stop with this type of stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, it's very interesting how like when the community doesn't like something, it's we are wrong and it's like, you know, I'll give the community shit sometimes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're talking about 43 yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the community is crazy for not liking that season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then at the same time, it's like somebody like Bono and Jess being on the same tribe.
[SPEAKER_00]: You put two people who can never win forever, honestly, which Alinsky too, at the age that Alinsky was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jolinsky learned a lot playing Survivor, but like you have three people on the same tribe who can't win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you go look at the orange tribe and it's like Venus and Tevin and soda probably aren't winning either.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go look at the green tribe and you're like, okay, maybe that's the most balance.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like I don't know if Ben Katzman is ever going to win Survivor, like Ben is more
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, like let's hang out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's have a good time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that he's somebody's going to come out and just start stabbing people in the back and doing what needs to be done to win a new era season of survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like I feel like the casting, you know, we're passing a whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's evolving over the new era.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're allowed to complain.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but no, I, yeah, I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's evolving, because we talk about this in one's film and error, how she would cast five heroes or whatever, and then 15 filler for the five heroes to come out on top and one of them to be the winner and the fillers just there to be cannon fodder.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what you're saying is that half of each tribe is cannon fodder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not how 41 was cast in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was and then we just couldn't tell because it was so short, the episodes, you know, with so much crap going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But here at the 90 minute, you're very easily able to tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: More time you can spend, you can more time you tell.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, some of these people here just be cannon fodder.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, they're not here to win the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or like yeah, so Kenzie though Kenzie I think she earned her win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just shame that it'll always be attached to like Well Charlie should have gotten Maria so which I agree Charlie should have gotten Maria's vote Maria doesn't have vote for Charlie I think the really biggest the worst part is that Maria just won't admit why she voted for Kenzie And I think that's really like if it Maria came up and be like yeah was salty about Charlie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be like that sucks
[SPEAKER_01]: But it makes look like that's literally on us.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not even on us with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't feel owned.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree, Kenzie, I ranked her at 44.
[SPEAKER_00]: She came in at 43 in our overall rankings.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people are like, how can you rate Kenzie that low?
[SPEAKER_01]: You rated her 43, you said?
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I ranked there 40, I personally ranked there 44 are think came in at 43.
[SPEAKER_00]: I am people will say how can you rank her so low then rank somebody like Michelle in like the 20s.
[SPEAKER_00]: One 39 day game over 26 day game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two I think the competition on Cobra was infinitely stronger than here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean we watch four people get voted out with idols in their pockets.
[SPEAKER_00]: co-wrong, I think that the game play was really clicking.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think everybody had a good feel for things.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Aubrey is one of the most impressive runner-ups in the history of the show and for Michelle to be able to beat Aubrey anyway, which Aubrey will be coming out at the end of this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think makes her win more impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I also think that Michelle is a lot more impactful on a lot of the votes than people think, and she does a great job of talking to everybody at the end when they're about to get voted out.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no real controversy around Michelle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why she got people's votes in a way, like obviously with Kenzie's, it's like, okay, what did Kenzie actually do here or was it maybe more of sour grapes or something along those lines?
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas I feel like Michelle is a very obvious why she's getting votes from people over Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my take and that's why ranked like somebody like Michelle significantly higher.
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody like the Sapia who's overcoming a really big deficit playing a social game significantly higher than Kenzie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll feel differently on a second watch, but that's how I feel after the first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, where do you think the fans ranked Kenzie since we're rankings?
[SPEAKER_01]: 34.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly correct, Bill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling like I was talking to the video and memorized it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I wrote down which numbers you already have told me because then I would actually be able to really deduce, but I feel like 34 makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like people were mad that we ranked her so low, but then nobody was ranking her in their top 30.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, how can you rank her 43, but also we wouldn't really rank her higher than 35?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like an eight person gap in a ranking that's 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's 50 it's we've got it's so it's such a large number that's not like we're ranking the first like 12 winners and like yeah, it's a massive gap.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's yeah 50 winners and a lot of them do kind of fall into the same category in the middle there of like kind of under the radar good games but kind of under the radar not super flashy so then the season itself is ranked higher where do you think it ranks 16.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is very close 13 right above Borneo right below blood versus water.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I forgot to mention Kenzie is right below Adam Klein and right above a winner will talk about later today.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I got to remember that 35 35 35 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think it's one of the winners will talk about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got to assume that's either Aubrey or Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how your audience feels about Rachel, but if that's Kyler Savannah, I'm like, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we had to find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiffany did help Kenzie and Final Tribal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's always nice to have an ally who she's like, they're like timing people or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiffany is, I know she's not everyone's cup of tea, but her personality, it would, I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I would like to see it on amazing race as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or if she, she, I know she didn't cast some big brother like they put D in Rick Devons on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think she would fit in that show as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's good, and that's a shame.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't focus on her more.
[SPEAKER_01]: They focus on her.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a fair amount in this season, but less zone 50, which is a shame, because things good, both times.
[SPEAKER_01]: She did not let down either time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like Tiffany came back and was just not funny, like Angelina or whatever, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, please let it curse the fifth place and the other thing I'll say about Tiffany as a player Tiffany needs to never ever ever sit on a jury again because I can't stand here on Oh, don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, her jury shenanigans are total bullshit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love how aggressive she is not jury No, she ruins she ruins for a viewer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to watch the players explain their game
[SPEAKER_00]: and Tiffany is making it about herself and then being in season 50 her and career so insanely hypocritical sitting on that jury so retake in the shot at Joe is so unnecessary but then Tiffany is just being so hypocritical and like who can ask questions and who can't and who are supposed to listen to I think she's obnoxious on the jury but I think as a survivor player she's a ton of fun and I hope we see her play again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just hope she either needs to make the final three
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, go out before the merge.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think she should make the file three.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to go to pre merge.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's too good to go out that early.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely make the file three.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like her jewelry shining hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I said, it's not everyone's cup of tea.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely a, it's a matter of taste.
[SPEAKER_01]: And my taste is definitely somebody doing something different on the jury, especially in an era where the show can just cut you out if they feel like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the jury, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't, we don't like what you said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, that question in the answers portion of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, who have anything else for Kenzie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fantastic season, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my favorite new era season is this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other people say 47 other people say 45 for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would have to, we're almost there in the rewatch and I'll really be able to determine then.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I think 47, I probably rank higher just because the pre-merge of this season, I don't really like.
[SPEAKER_00]: But some of the best seasons have some of the were lower ranked winners and Amazon for me,
[SPEAKER_01]: It happens like you can be an okay winner with a great season and I think it's a good career the bottom the second episode of jess is slow, but then it's really back to back Bonnie lapisos are brilliant the fact that ran and gets medically evacuated and keeps Bonnie in the game and other episode does drag down the cream or it's like two three and four episodes ended up being
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he know I was going, Bonnie goes?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, it's been, it's been a while so I've seen episode three apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did, I have made videos on Q and Kenzie though.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hasn't been that long, but I guess I blanked that out and like, Bonnie's gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's happy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I also I didn't have the comments going this whole time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So sorry guys brown Charlie saying by that criteria Aubrey should be higher than Michelle or closer Michelle and ranking so I mean I think Aubrey's game will probably go better, but I also think Aubrey's game is random is hell compared to Michelle's Michelle's like playing a season of survivor that actually plays out like a season of survival.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I am going to rank winners lower if if lock feels like 95% of their game and the blood moon and other twists like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Aubrey is playing Mario Party, which is not her fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Michelle is playing survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's different not Aubrey's fault that the season played out like Mario Hardy for half the episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: What random thing can we throw in now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's run the let's run the little thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on to Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's move on to Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel, Rachel, Rachel, the rice thief herself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for her for trying by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's still the rice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rachel is so fascinating to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: as a podcaster in this community because Rachel, everybody either wants to put her top 10 or bottom 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: When they start talking about her games, some people think it's the best new era game, one of the best games they've ever seen, she was so masterful, and other people think she didn't do shit and that she doesn't deserve to be ranked anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to have this one of the
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and the thing is though, but then there's other people who are like, she got lucky because she got saved at the one car and it's also like, yeah, but then her bad luck was that she would have been screwed there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is nobody who feels nothing for Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a good place to be a Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's a good place to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel almost got ripped into the ocean on that journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: The better version of the stupid Christian journey was going to reach over it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And almost got ripped into the ocean with the ball thing that not that she was on the verge of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that they would allow that to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the thought that her hand could have got stuck in there doing the ball thing and then over the edge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rachel, so you mentioned like she plays a shot in the dark just to see where everybody's at, you know, she's, she plays the idol correctly.
[SPEAKER_00]: She wins for immunities.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you knock, do you feel like with the four immunity wins though?
[SPEAKER_00]: And eating to play the idol correctly, could she have won this game without that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that is a big knock that people have on people like my colleagues and other things like that doesn't matter to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Operation Italy was to get her out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was for Rachel to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how much of a threat Rachel was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Operation Italy was designed to be at Rachel, not Caroline.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was to get out Rachel, then she wins immunity, I believe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Jeff Tollies, so no, she needed the immunity, but I will never not anyone for winning immunity, like we talked about my call away.
[SPEAKER_01]: or really a lot of winners who win like three of Munis, Tony won four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't know if you needed all four, but like I'm sure it helps at the same time, somebody can't be on your lips to be talk about being voted off, they got immunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: So less time to talk about voting them off.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you have idols, I feel like Phil is that there's a difference between Ben and Mike or Ben and Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it, well, Ben had idols.
[SPEAKER_01]: People thought he was available to be voted off, so they kept talking about voting him off.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you have net necklace around, it's like, why are we wasting your time talking about this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what's so why I think Rachel's game is so, so, so, so polarizing.
[SPEAKER_00]: is because some people are like, no, what she's able to do with the information she has and what she's able to do just like with what survivor was at this time is really, really impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then there's other people who feel, well, this is a challenge beast ending where she didn't have that she loses.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brown Charlie says to me, Frank, she had an extra vote that would have saved her from Operation Italy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we see her win four of the five final
[SPEAKER_00]: immunity challenges and the one she doesn't win, she has to play in idols.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's where some people are like Mike, Mike, how is this different from Mike Holloway's and I agree with you, I think if you can win it, I always say this, if you can hit the three pointer at the buzzer, you needed a buzzer beat or three pointer to hit to win, but you were still in a position to hit the buzzer beat or three pointer and good enough to hit it and call out to hit it to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I ranked Rachel's game a little bit lower because she wasn't in the time last minute or Chris Dority role where she didn't need to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rachel needed a lot of these immunities in order to get further in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was consistently a target.
[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't have the really unlucky slash lucky moment at the merge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Martiana ultimately goes home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Rachel plays a solid game, but I do have a hard time with like where exactly do I rank Rachel?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she was one of the hardest ones for me to rank because I think she plays a really good game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would actually argue she plays the closest thing to an aggressive game out of maybe any winner in the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Rachel, what hurts her in the story because every winter has like a storyline story, like Kenzie especially had that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We just talked about where Rachel was kind of almost absent from the story in terms of major storylines from episodes two through five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the premiere, she was a main character.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, episode two through five feel like it's the Sam and Sidney, is that right name?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sam and Sierra show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: For on that tribe, it was like Sam, Sierra, Sam, Sierra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, when we come over the red tribe rooms causing chaos, they really love that and I loved it, not everybody loved it, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's really felt like the yellow tribe is about Sam and Sierra, and while she didn't go, John goes in that first vote, and he's a mess, and he's a main character as well, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has a very big story from a game to end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel was kind of just an afterthought, and so she didn't really become a main character again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like until the merge.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, okay, Rachel is somebody to care about again, but it felt like, absolutely
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's Rachel?
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's Rachel?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Andy Sam and Sierra to focus on Yeah, so I really do like Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she stole the rice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that was a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad she tried it cuz it's always like one of those what if scenarios like what if I stole rice?
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Rachel's game was pretty obvious early.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like Rachel, as somebody would be paying attention to as a potential winner, felt pretty obvious early on because they were showing her a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And after the onica blind side, they don't make Rachel look bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like guys, you're okay, you're good, Rachel, you're still in with us, whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: That onica blind side though, that's her worst move.
[SPEAKER_00]: She totally lost sense of where she stood in that tribe.
[SPEAKER_00]: She felt like she was good to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were all going to vote out Andy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was no problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the way she handled Andy early on in the game, when Andy was talking about like the issues he was having, that probably is her worst move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think once she hits the merge, she starts playing really excellent survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think in my opinion,
[SPEAKER_00]: there's really no doubt that her best move is what she does to Andy at final six where she convinces him to just build up what a great player he is and all these different things he's doing jury management that she gets up and plays her idol and votes him out and like also she's able to pretty much say like this is why I'm pretty good at the game too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that is by far her best move, but she does have a lot of good moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Rachel's game is just like, what do you appreciate about survivor?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you appreciate the things that Rachel is delivering, you're going to love her.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't appreciate the things that Rachel is delivering, you're going to hate her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why she is one of the most polarizing winners in the history of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like legitimately, through all 50 seasons, I think she's one of the most polarizing winners out of any of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel, I don't wonder how many times she actually elderly be voted off because the John and Monica vote, she could have been voted off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rome, that's three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiana, she could not have been, she played safety without power.
[SPEAKER_01]: She could have gone Sierra, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay, there was enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: It, like, got serious four, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Tiana's three, it's serious four.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sol goes, when did she start winning immunities?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's all five Gabe is six and then she wins the immunity where Kyle goes, she wins the immunity where Caroline goes, plays and I don't want an angel of even teeny yep so I think she's what is it so that's one two three four five six times she's eligible that's enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I think that's like she was shella Tom situation, but not like.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, not quite, but yeah, that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about Sage with a power with Fiona Boe because she was Saul.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's lucky that Mario Party had Saul sending it to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, good on her to build a relation with Saul where he felt like he wanted to send it to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but at the same time, there's definitely a little Mario party there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the, that's the game, the over the over design game.
[SPEAKER_01]: was saving her, but then again, they should not have split the tribes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because both ways, we shouldn't have split the tribes, and there shouldn't have been a safety of that power sent for this one tribal by Saul.
[SPEAKER_01]: None of your things should have happened this episode, but they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the stupid split tribal, always the stupid split tribal is just like the big.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is one of the most egregious things in entire New Era.
[SPEAKER_00]: That this what dribbles are so stupid and they really do like ruin everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a double try the pre-merge like just get it over with cut the rip the band it off and let them play survive or post-merge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we're going to survive that that's the amount of thing like she should have gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: She should have gone on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walk the time, but she wanted immunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good for her, but Tiana was like, it didn't feel like Rachel did that, if that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was very obvious, no matter who finds that is going to give it to Rachel, because the other people there are all from the blue tribe, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, the entire group was Kyle, Gabe, Caroline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armored Ward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like all five of that people who were with Rachel were from the same tribe So you're always gonna give it to Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was Sue Caroline Kyle Gabe and Tiana So like you're always gonna give it to Rachel because you want one of the people from blue to vote them out Everybody's gonna vote for Rachel all right, so yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, luck, it comes into play for every winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's her one lucky, definitely her one lucky moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her rivalry with Genevieve, I think it's been determined.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you get in a rivalry with Genevieve, and you win, you won the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her an Aubrey, both at the same, the same path there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like getting a rivalry with Genevieve, being Genevieve win the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Money money money money money money money.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like, so,
[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you stand on Rachel's camera?
[SPEAKER_00]: You hi on it or you love on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as I said, I don't knock her for any immunity when it's the only time I think that she got truly like, okay, but at the same time it's hard to for me to knock Rachel on the piano thing and it's like, okay, but we should have never, I mean, we do in the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess that should get over the fact they do it because they did 10 times splitting up the tries, but it's like, I don't know, I almost feel like I can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna knock her for meeting, safety of the power, but at the same time it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that Rachel's fault that she was on a group with all blues and herself?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's not Rachel's fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's survivor's Mario Party stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I am higher on Rachel than I'm on Kenzie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm higher than other than I'm sure other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's she's definitely not like top turn top 15, but she's amongst the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe, oh, I do have a new era rankings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll shoot that for a quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have her ranked decently well, but let me pull up, I actually did definitively rank all the new era winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to like, when I rewatch the new era, I feel like my winter rankings are going to change significantly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have Rachel at 36 right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Overall, she ended up coming in at 33 on our winter rankings at, you know, so I feel like we were kind of in the middle on her, but that was also with, you know, where does will have her will have her really high will have Rachel all the way at 18 and then Blake had Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: at 41.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you have, again, this is probably like, you know, people don't feel nothing towards Rachel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, I feel like I was more middle on Rachel, because I feel like there's some great things, but then I don't rate it as highly as I do, a Tom or a Chris, because Tom and Chris both,
[SPEAKER_00]: didn't need the immunities that they got to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I ranked there a couple spots behind Mike Holloway because, you know, even though 47 has some great game plan all of those things, I just think that Mike's game is better than people give you credit for because he's saying the right things the whole time he's just playing with a bunch of people that know freaking clue what the hell they're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, to answer your question, I, so we did a podcast with all my co-hosts where we ranked the new era winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ranked Rachel number six out of 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I ranked Marianne 1, Gableard 2.
[SPEAKER_01]: People who talk about Safari, Kenzie 7, D8.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jam Jam 9, Erica 10, the people we talked about so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the D thing though is just, I have D at one.
[SPEAKER_01]: D's personality is like not my cup of tea.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really what that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if we're ranking based on a game play, D had more impressive gameplay than others, but then it's like, okay, I don't really care for D's personality on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I had Rachel like seven and Jam Jam at six.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, jam jams.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think jam jams, it was low, just based on the fact that I was bored watching his camera.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love him as a character as a bored.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, as always, winner rankings are a subjective overall, though, on the podcast, we ranked your number one, Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Despite fact, fact 1.6, she'll won overall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting, of the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now the fans who voted the thousands of thousands of them fill, where do you think they ranked her?
[SPEAKER_01]: 32, 22, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not even close, 22.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's right above Tina West and right below Denise Staplet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have your fan base is higher on her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm curious if Rachel will grow or falter.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a tie.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because last year she was 19 and then she moved down 22.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's probably about the right spot that she'll show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't unless she comes back and does something else and people re-evaluate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see why she would move too much if the open area, which is not going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Once the 39 days again, I think the new era winners are starting moving down.
[SPEAKER_01]: But since we're not going back to 39 days, it's not going to affect them too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's these in itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think you're ranks 16?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is 21, that's lower than I would have thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Below Millennials versus Gen X, but above Australian Outback, isn't it ironic that Rachel's above Tina and her season's also right about Tina season?
[SPEAKER_01]: How do that work out like that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that Tina gets some love on yours too.
[SPEAKER_00]: We ranked Tina at like 12 or something and people were like, what the hell and I'm like, Tina's great guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't even have to explain, just be like, how do you rank all 50?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, I think I'll get 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know that one guy you asked that question
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know, I know he, yeah, for those wondering, there's some guy ripping some of our specials on Instagram, something I said, how do you rank off 50?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he replied to something that wasn't ranking off 50, and it's like, okay, I asked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So in terms of closest to perfect game, Kenzie's off by four, how far is Rachel off?
[SPEAKER_00]: Rachel doesn't get one vote at final tribal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know she gets three votes negated by Idol, so I don't know if we count that, but I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she four votes off four votes off.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, three votes negated by idols puts her puts her items.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the Jeremy situation where it's like Jeremy actually is perfect game if.
[SPEAKER_01]: the idle negating votes, you know, don't count.
[SPEAKER_01]: They do count, but for some people, they don't count.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like Jeremy has perfect game with an asterisk in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rachel's one vote off a perfect game with an asterisk, but it's really for votes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, because she plays and she would have gotten a lot more votes probably wouldn't win the season if she didn't win as many immunity so it's it's interesting when it's like She got a lot more yeah, she was if she was eligible to be voted for she's getting votes very often right it's kind of my call way would have had more votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would be gone, but he would have had more votes if he hadn't had all the movies as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's funny because Rachel and Mike's personalities are not the same at all, but somehow looking at a stat sheet or how the boot order went and everything is like, man, these two people are very similar games, but they're not similar people at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that they had to do similar things to win the game and good for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it made for a better show, honestly, having somebody who people won gone, winning a muties and upsetting that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think of the day, she ends up winning over the jury, 7-1-0.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had saw that what four times in a row, and then didn't happen on 45-46, but then it made a triumphant return on 47, the 7-1-0.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's battling on that last Tribal, because Sam came to play, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just then Rachel ultimately best Sam at that final Tribal.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Sam had good arguments and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was Rachel's game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sam was a solid runner-up, it's like what you said about Austin being a solid runner-up and making kind of props up the winner, having a solid runner-up, Charlie's a solid runner-up, but I feel like I wonder how much of that is because the show likes to tell the story of men more than the story of women, so therefore they've brought up the runner-up, the man runner-up, as we'll see coming up with 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, and obviously this is an hour and a half episodes, but if I'm not mistaken, Rachel set the record for most confessional by a woman and survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe looking, I'm looking at it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Rachel had 86 confessionals, which is two more than Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it broke the record that Kelly Wigglesworth had set.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the way back in season one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now Grant, that season one had so many more confessionals.
[SPEAKER_01]: What about Aubrey?
[SPEAKER_01]: Did Aubrey on 50 get more?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's more time.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you ready to hear this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Michelle Fitzgerald on season 32 had 57 confessionals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Parvity shallow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, this isn't the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where is the person I'm looking for?
[SPEAKER_00]: D. No, it wasn't D. I'm looking for somebody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Marianne on 42 and 60 minute episodes had 48 confessionals.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is my point of Marianne Michelle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Aubrey had.
[SPEAKER_00]: in hour and a half, some three hours, some two hour episodes, 47 confessionals, the whole season.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were not interested in our story, that season.
[SPEAKER_00]: She has six more confessionals than Danny Boat Wright.
[SPEAKER_00]: She only has nine more confessionals than Vesepia.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Six more than Danny Boare is a number.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy and I get that there's there's 24 people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an all-star cast so there's like more to spread it around.
[SPEAKER_00]: But still 47 Aubrey has the 41st worst percentage out of anyone in the history of the church.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's a good narrator.
[SPEAKER_01]: So wasn't like, it was like, no, it was a good narrator.
[SPEAKER_01]: We still couldn't figure it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good interesting study.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think Rachel has the most.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to be like Rachel's my favorite winner because she's not, but I do like Rachel.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's a solid winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I while I have her at six on that one list,
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she easily could have moved up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the only one that I knew for sure, ranking wise was Erica last and Marion and Gable are top two.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything else, I was like, alright, how do I work out the middle here?
[SPEAKER_00]: As always, it's always easy to put what you think's the worst in the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: The middle.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always the hardest part.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's always the worst part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Easily could have moved out a couple spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's a solid winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I like, and I don't know, I think her personality was not, it wasn't like a bigger personality.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think D had a bigger personality, which leads to more divisiveness, Rachel didn't have that, so she's less divisive, I think Savannah has a bigger personality, so she's more divisive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Savannah, I rank tire, I believe in both Rachel and D, because I like Savannah's personality more than I like these, for example, despite the both being big personalities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and Rachel, like, just to close this one out, I'd watch Rachel play survivor again tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm all in on Rachel playing survivor again.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Rachel has another deep run in her if they put her back on Rachel would go deep again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm down to watch Rachel play survivor again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the nine human episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where it goes bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: This where it goes raw.
[SPEAKER_01]: This where it goes wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where Kyle's win is so fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this season sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate season 48.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think most people hate season 48.
[SPEAKER_00]: Season 48 is an absolute slog to get far and start soft strong and then it absolutely collapses in the middle and by the end of the season,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, okay, it's either Kyler Camilla, but who cares because at this point we watch that star Mary back to back episode is one of the worst two episode stretches in survivor history.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is Kyle's game and we see this so often.
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst seasons tend to have the most dominant winters, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Reposs and Rob on heremption island came on one world and I think Kyle on 48 falls into that, because I know that Camilla was working side by side with him for a lot of the season, but this is Kyle's season and Kyle has such command over his alliances.
[SPEAKER_00]: That he just makes a very, very boring season because he convinces people to not make moves when it would be best for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as Shawnee wakes up and says, oh, I should do something Kyle's like, right now I'm going to use this again, Shawnee he does such a great job of being
[SPEAKER_00]: physical, good looking, smart guy who still able to keep his threat level low and it kind of falls into what Tommy did on island of the idols, except I think Kyle might be even more dominant than Tommy was.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I rank Kyle personally at 22, he ended up at 18 in our ranking, which was the highest out of any of the new era winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand the why it would be hard for people to rank him high, because the season is so bad, but I think so much of the reason why this season is terrible is because Kyle was just so damn good from start finish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will say, Phil, that I ran a poll before the finale of who do you think is going to win between Joe Kyle and Eva and I think Camilla was a file five by far out of the image.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they are okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I ran a poll between those four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because YouTube doesn't allow five and you know Mitch Mitch had no chances at it was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way Mitch Yeah, no, we thought Mitch was winning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mitch is big move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just it'll happen one day Anyways, I ran the poll Joe got the most votes fill going into finale Joe had the most votes fall by Kyle So there was definitely an I in fell into that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm like they broke the zero professional episode didn't matter
[SPEAKER_01]: for Joe, because the zero professional episode was the one where Joe and Eva had their heads are touching, oh, what's replayed the episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get an Emmy, that was that episode, was your professionals.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out that I should not have ignored the idea which was zero professionals is the deathnell to your edit, winner at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I ignored it, and I fell into that, and I thought, Joe has to have this.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was even an episode, episode 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to go, Joe, Joe was gonna win.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the entire episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then,
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe kind of just like blew it like you said like uh the shaheen was the turning a turning point by the shaheen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remembered him being like a bigger threat and then I went back and rewatch the season shaheen did nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole in the show shaheen did nothing the whole season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah shaheen's sitting on his hands for a lot of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys make us move at the very end to make sure that he's yeah he's he's not as uh
[SPEAKER_00]: he's not as all over the place as you would think he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the whole problem with this season, the season's very straightforward.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only one who was willing to cause any shit there are two of them, it was Thomas and David and they're both gone by final night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Eva is just loaded up with every advantage that she could possibly get.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what she gets in all just power, it's like a joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe we're watching her do this challenge, you get all the power, which herity has all of the power.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, remember that she did went on journey and got all of the power, but she already had all the power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pairs.
[SPEAKER_01]: How come I'll have to remind us, like five times an episode that they're in a secret alliance.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was literally 36 times that I counted, that they remind us and most of those were in the post bar.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's only a couple times in the pre-march.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was most in the postcards like all my gosh has to be a joke by the editors.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way this is real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like how many times can they tell us, by the way, yeah, like we're to see your lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hard watch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and again, though, I think another reason why some people were a little disappointed in Kyle's win other than the fact of the season is because they were blinded by Joe winning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that you just said like most people voted picked Joe on yours.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what a lot of people were saying on our channel during the season was
[SPEAKER_00]: I like stop saying Kyle and Camilla are good players.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're letting Joe stay in and he's obviously going to win, but then when the end result happens, and Joe doesn't win, then you actually say, well, no, Kyle and Camilla were brilliant the entire time, because they didn't take the easy way out when people go to show them about because they knew they could beat them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But people, you have to rewatch the season in that lens of knowing that they're actually making the right move, because throughout the whole time, everybody was saying, no, I mean, we had Blake on the podcast, who I think said 98.7% or 96.7% chance that Joe's going to win the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I always like rip him for that, because it's like dude, I'm telling you the whole time, Joe's not going to win the season, Joe's not going to win the season, because they weren't showing Joe other than the relationship with Eva, they weren't showing a positive light otherwise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even though people were saying we got to get him out,
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't getting them out and it wasn't because Joe was in control.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was because they didn't seem as a threat.
[SPEAKER_00]: He finishes third place twice, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets to final tribal twice and loses both times and gets one total vote in those two travel councils.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Kyle had a good read on that and Camilla had a good read on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, honestly, people aren't going to give him credit because he didn't speak on the show, but I think Mitch had a good read on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Shawnee might have had a good read on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think people knew that Joe wasn't going to win this season
[SPEAKER_01]: But the show, the story telling us so in love with Joe, that they would go out of their way to folks on Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember there's one tribal where literally Kyle's talking,
[SPEAKER_01]: and then they drown out Kyle to get Joe's thoughts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like literally that was the editing was to drown out Kyle talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: The future winner of the season so that we can hear Joe's thoughts on what's happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: And folks are like, what's silent?
[SPEAKER_01]: As we start, Sarah, Joe's face.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's what it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: It went really quiet and everything got muted and we're just watching Joe think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like, what is Joe up to?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is Joe thinking?
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe, Joe, Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eva, her only storyline shows that she's,
[SPEAKER_01]: has autism and a successful life and I'm sure there's way more in her than that but that was their entire thing and then Joe was like her father figure and so they knew you were emotionally, probably emotionally vested in Joe because of that reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also Joe and his sister, his sister was deceased, there's a big thing for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe has had a lot of character stuff and I add on to that like literally episode 11 was the we got a guy out of Joe episode and then they failed to do it
[SPEAKER_01]: May on one hand, I think that was one of the cracks start to show Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe that was the episode where Joe, like, what's shiny like what are you, what are you doing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Shining like the way he was ball aggressive to shining.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but at the time like it was an entire episode dedicated to Joe has to go as he wins and then he doesn't go and then Mary goes six one and it's like the most boring.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the star Mary back to back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, this is so boring.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because then in the star episode, they're splitting between star and Mary and I get what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what was people really rip on Joe.
[SPEAKER_00]: as a survivor character.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there needs to be a joe on every season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just want them on their turnies season though.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm on 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think a joe type player, this older, you know, honor and integrity kind of guy who's going to go out and play the physical game and do the right thing, but doesn't really necessarily understand survivor fully.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that person needs to be there because that is who most of the audience connected with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was at the 48 premiere.
[SPEAKER_00]: I sat right behind Joe and Eva.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea what was about to come and like when that moment happened in the premiere it was like, oh man, this is great and everybody instantly connects with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now by the end of the season when Joe's frustrated in the hell everybody because it's like, what is his game?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: His game is to be a rock and not to move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you turn on him a little bit, but I do think that there needs to be that and I think like having these kinds of people who are playing for different reasons that story line between Joe and Eva is going to go down is one of the most iconic story lines, especially for casuals even though we don't like that season a lot of casuals are going to remember that Joe and Eva story line and that's what they'll talk about long after they forget about operation Italy long after they forget about all the idols not being played in 46 they will still talk about Joe and Eva.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a good thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is good casting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though they might not work out as the greatest players, it works when you get these people on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing is though, you then need to edit them properly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You need to give them a Keith Nail type edit where we never actually are like, oh, this is the winner of our season.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a great story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad I'm watching this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because when we watch show, do all these heroic things, and we watch Eva and Joe have this bond, and then we watch Kyle win, we go,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, wait a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, I thought the Kyle at it was there the entire time, but I do think that that was the big mistake that they need there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if a thing is Kyle, like, I'm thinking like Rachel at it, crap tonic of professionals, but like how many of these professionals were?
[SPEAKER_01]: Camilla and I are in a secret alliance.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was told to us 36 times on the show that their secret alliance, some of that was to her face like to Tom Camilla or Camilla telling him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then there was definitely a chunk of those professionals, we're just straight up reminding us that they're in secret alliance.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm with you, like, I think there's, that they gave Joan even too much time, but I think it's because nothing else is going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love David, by the way, as a character on the season, but like the gameplay was just not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like these kind of anything to focus on besides character moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been on 50 over Joe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say, oh, nonstop.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Eva.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Eva should about 50 over Camilla.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a hot take.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, based on I think the everything they were doing, like Joe and Eva should have come back over Kyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like Kyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should have been no winners of 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle had lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring back Kyle with his Kyle at one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should have been no winners.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, there's a bit of nowhere's period.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, so they, but they do what they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to see all these people in 48 back.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's too many.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pick your best to pick a, pick a man, pick a woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to be coyled and pick a pick a, pick a lady, pick a, and it was, it was too close after 48 and 48 just wasn't that popular.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know that, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: production like it, but us fans didn't and date production in like 47.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, we should have seen Genevieve.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have seen maybe Sam, maybe we see Andy, we should have seen them, even teeny you could throw in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We should have seen those for over.
[SPEAKER_01]: three people from forty-eight like it almost like forty-nine should have been new airs all stars I know we say it all the time yeah what's Kyle's best movie I think he has like three that are in Contention yeah all he is best move honestly at the end of the day now only retrospect It was not taking out Joe it was working with Joe
[SPEAKER_01]: lying to no tricky tricking Joe and once I'm the like tree branch almost falls and it's Camilla like they're just tricking Joe they're just taking advantage of the guy because he did go and he's a big target and people talk about him but at same time like he doesn't go so I you know in the show it's like presented as Joe is a container to win but turns out Joe's a go like you said I think best move for me is just
[SPEAKER_01]: letting Joe be the goat, letting Eva and Joe stay together so that Kyle gets all the votes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle can be a both new and acknowledge that one of us can't, we keep both can't be in the final three.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, only one of us can be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, unlike Marie and Charlie, they were like, this is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of us goes to final three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if we go both go there, we could split votes and then Eva or Joe wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hypothetically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and here's here's so I agree on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the other two are when he votes up Shawning at Final 6, Shawning's feeling good in the way he's able to master that and maneuver that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they told Joe for being just to try him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, the plan that him and Camilla come up with there is brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other one is when they vote out Thomas when him and Camilla first have their secret alliance that the other three, the the California girls don't realize is happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they, and he's able to get enough information to blindside Thomas and play his idle and still come out of that looking great and actually aligning with the remaining people from that tribe until the very end of the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, I think that those are all really great moves and again, that's why I ran Kyle so high because that would be the best move of Rachel's game.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would like do any of those three in my opinion would be the best move of Kenzie's game be the best move of probably Jam Jam's game of Gabriel's game of of Marianne's game in America's game D. I do think that the Julie move is probably better and maybe with Rachel you could argue the Andy move is better, but we are talking three moves that you could say.
[SPEAKER_00]: are better than any other winning move of any other player.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's not better than their best one, it's definitely better than their second and third easily.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I rank Kyle so highly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think, you know, maybe it's a little reasons he buys, but then watching him come out on 50 and immediately start putting things together.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, man, this guy's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: His Achilles is the reason 50 sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: His Achilles heel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the really heel.
[SPEAKER_00]: Survivors Achilles heel is Kyle's Achilles heel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why 50 stings.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe Kyle seeing him on 50 was kind of like, oh, this guy's, he wasn't a fluke.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it didn't feel like it all like he was a fluke.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if they ever do another season, that has anything that involves winners, Kyle should be brought to be on it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is another big character, a deep run in him.
[SPEAKER_01]: waiting to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't feel that about all the other winners of the new era.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only other winner, I'm like, oh, they should definitely bring this winner back as Marianne.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other ones, if you either, I'm okay with or I get why they were not going to Marianne to me is like, you've got to bring Marianne back.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you not brought Marianne back?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle showed potential in 50 to be a great returning character.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just got cut short.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, Kyle, Kyle, great winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: He overall
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he overall just is on a crappy season, but filled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to guess where you got ranked?
[SPEAKER_00]: God, I hope he's not the 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you set your guess?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, Nama says 27.
[SPEAKER_00]: 10th.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm glad to hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like to hear that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good job, bless his fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, we're going to meet teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was 13th last year, he moved up to 10th.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's showing up 50 helped him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as much as it shouldn't matter, the returning seasons for some reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not everybody can keep his mind, man, fresh.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm part of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not perfect either.
[SPEAKER_01]: I probably would factor in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I try not to.
[SPEAKER_01]: The season itself, though, is not ranked as high as 10th, believe it or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: 40, 46.
[SPEAKER_01]: Close, it's 44th.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's right above Ghost Island, right below Nicaragua.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which it really is like go silent.
[SPEAKER_01]: So being ranked next to go silent is a, see, if Kyle's right above Earl and Ripple or JT.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's totally fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, will ranked him at third.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the world greater than put in my third.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like the will go rhythm, whatever put him at third, he ended up in 18.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he would have been higher if Blake wasn't doing his 37 to 46 as all new era people because Blake ended up ranking Kyle as his third best new era winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if he had actually like put those people around a little bit, Kyle was only two points behind 17th, only four points behind 16th, only five points behind 14.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he could have easily been top 13 in our ranking,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, where's Blake at?
[SPEAKER_00]: And Blake put in a little effort, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just I don't really like a 40's is so boring to me, I really like some of the characters, but they're that everyone's so determined just to play a straightforward game and then instead of like I'm 50 with a way to move around Joe everyone's like I guess we got a here to what Joe wants.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know in a way and that's it's it's crazy that in two just some seasons Joe is such a dominant you have to like like we can't get rid of Joe for some reason we have to do it Joe wants to work around you just get rid of Joe if he's that much of a like a hindrance to everybody wants to work around him because he's not as annoying or as over the top is one of like your final three go to super villainous or super obnoxious or whatever but he's also bad enough a player that you know you're always going to beat them so everybody has to work around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not an obnoxious goat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's a pleasant to be around goat.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just frustrating to work with gameplay wise.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it says a lot though that the discussion around 48 really is a lot about Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that poor the story's head was because it's like Kyle's not dramatic and Kyle's not like out of your doing stupid things that make for good TV Kyle's just playing a really good game that would have translated to 39 days as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing with Kyle is Kyle has a very wreck replic replic replic replic replic replic replic
[SPEAKER_00]: Replicable.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can replicate Kyle's game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a thing though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle plays the perfect version of what you're supposed to do in the air survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can avoid the shit when shit hits the fan, have a backup plan, be able to maneuver, do it all with relationships.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the game you should try to emulate.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is none of you have the personality Kyle has so you're not pulled it off.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's the truth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Kyle, yeah, there is something to be said about how smooth Kyle is.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why he's able to do what he's able to do because he's that smooth.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a real thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a put on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is legitimate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why he's as good as he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some people have that just have more natural smoothness, charisma, whatever it is than then others and Kyle definitely is up there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So how's that guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle definitely would like to see him back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Rachel, as we've talked about, like could make a deep run.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle could make a deep
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let's move on to Savannah here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Savannah, winner of Survivor 49, the most spoiled winner in the history of Survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Survivor themselves, spoiled the winner.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get that CBS never revealed who the two players coming back from 49 War, but they knew that we were all going to find out and they knew that we were all going to find out the tribes and they knew that we were all going to find out that if D's on one tribe and Kyle's on the other, then whoever from 49 is on the other tribe is probably a winner and they was Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Savannah's game yes though that's production.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not let's show that work did not decide to Savannah's drive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah and and so for me it's like I thought Sophie Belarity was getting an edit that she could have won and perhaps Savannah was gonna come in and be second.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like just watching the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like Sophie had a legitimate chance to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day it was also in the back of my mind watching the whole season going okay but she's on the third tribe okay but she's on the third tribe okay but she's on the third tribe and sure enough she wins it
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like it really is a detriment to Savannah because I think Savannah plays a better game than we all give her credit for and I'm a victim of it too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Savannah probably plays a better game than people give credit for because we all felt like we knew she was going to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, what do you do with a winner when you feel like you know that they're going to win?
[SPEAKER_00]: I ranked her at 29.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shand up all the way down at 37 in our winter rankings and I feel like it's it's a lot to do it the fact of we all news you feel like you're watching I don't know like I always use this as the example but you're watching the usual suspects knowing the twist.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you know the twist and you're watching it for the first time you don't understand why people love that movie or why that twist is seen as great and I do feel like that's kind of what happens with Savannah or watching the sixth sense knowing the big twist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, big twist is kind of part of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a good movie on a rewatch still, but knowing the twist kind of, it's supposed to be watched two different times almost, but it's right for a nine, it's like they made us all watch it the second time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, it's almost like we were all experiencing watching the second time versus, well, we should have been experiencing what was the first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't put Riz God Antivate on the same tribe.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have spoiled the one of them wins though, but they could have put them on the same tribe on 50 and at least it would have like, okay, it's one of these two, but instead we just knew it had to be Savannah of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like it was so obvious that it was going to be Savannah and and and like.
[SPEAKER_00]: you're talking about like spoiling and it's like we're watching it for the second time you forget that Sophie Savannah and riso are outnumbered what's seven to three at one point or something like that and they come back because it never feels satisfying because we already know it's going to happen and we never got to experience it authentically for the first time and so I think that's what makes it hurt more than anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I do, I think Savannah's game is going to age really, really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I say this, I've said this over and over, Evelyn Savannah came out and, and, and, you know, did was not appreciative, I don't believe of our survivor winner rankings, which is fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I said immediately, like, her game is going to age like fine wine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said that on the podcast and I said it there because it is, people are going to view her more positively in the future than they do right now because on a rewatch, you're going
[SPEAKER_00]: in a way that we really weren't able to see it the first time because we're already sitting they're going, okay, she's going to get out of this, who cares?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like watching a crappy James Bond movie or a crappy superhero movie where it's like, okay, I'm not even invested in how they're going to get out of this situation because I just know they're going to get out of this situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I felt though when they were down 7 to 3 and it wasn't just because we already knew Savannah risk got a returning.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was also because it's like that 7 to 3 happens right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Nate goes to the other 9 to 7 to 3 is what you're referring to.
[SPEAKER_01]: That next episode is Savannah talking to Stephen and being like, well, here's my sad backstory.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it was like the show is reaffirming us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Savannah will survive being down 7 to 3 and they took almost no time to rush to the getting that Sydney is like oh no this sucks but don't worry she's okay and I always felt like this this season there are always reaffirming that's don't worry Savannah's fine I know things look bad right now but it's okay almost like you're reading a children's novel and they have to reaffirmed you at the bat that the good guys gonna pull through somehow don't worry it'll happen
[SPEAKER_01]: and it was, I don't know, on top of our evening spoiled like, I don't know, maybe feel like there's actually hope is lost, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: If hope is lost, let me feel the hope is lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that the least there's some semblance of doubt because you're right, otherwise it's like, it's like, oh no, the James Bond's in danger.
[SPEAKER_01]: but also there's like 10 more James Bond movies after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Typhlet watching Savannah like, oh no, but I know she comes back for 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, it's like when watching end game or whatever, infinity war, Spider-Man ties, but also like there's a Spider-Man movie coming out next summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it was already announced publicly, you know, like, okay, Survivor, it says, Survivor End doesn't really die because there's no Spider-Man movie coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next summer.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and another thing that like hurts, I think Savannah's win is when they're down seven, three, the next episode is when they split the tribes, only one tribe goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the one who wins the communities.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now she gets to go cast a vote at the other tribe.
[SPEAKER_00]: She does a brilliant job with her lie and everything like that and getting to make her vote and not having to vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like when you watch Sage Sophie Joann and MC not even go after Rizzo not even make Rizzo play as I was there just because of an is there it's like what in the world just happened like this and that's where you know the the mario party as you keep calling it elements really do determine from ranking these new era winner super high.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle, I feel like dealt with the least amount of the stuff and even though that season is very boring, it also kind of feels like he plays the closest thing to what real survivor is.
[SPEAKER_00]: On this season, it's like if that doesn't happen right there in Savannah, it's not the winner of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: who knows how this season plays out differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so is that a great move?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, for her, it's a great move, but it's also so insanely overpowered.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like the Jonathan thing being able to go back and forth at the double boot tribal council on season 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, she's able to do, she makes the most of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: She banks her vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: And ultimately, it's the both that's used to vote out to Juan at final eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like how much credit do you give and I'm somebody who does give a little bit less credit when it's the production mechanisms that are really making for your best move.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll respect an immunity when more than I'll expect respect an advantage correct play at this point just because of at least immunity when it's feel like something anybody can do advantage correct plays when you get them how they're given out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also random it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what we talked about before, too, where it feels like the show seeds of what they're going to do in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Savannah, Winnie and Unity, and then going to join the other tribe to vote with them, is the seeds of Jonathan in 50, Winnie and Unity.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then being able to go with both tribes, but both tribes, you know, it's almost like the precursor of that idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as we watch 51, everyone, which up, not today, it's too much, but when you watch 51, I watch for things that you're like, this is new.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a precursor or something that they're going to do next season?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, or next time, like, are they going to expand upon this next time and do it again?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because
[SPEAKER_01]: That's usually how survivor works, is the idea is out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, next time we're going to do it, and it will probably be bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not better, always, but bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do this bigger next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next time, draw things go to both tribes.
[SPEAKER_01]: In this case, demand just got to go to the air tribe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the storytelling suffers by, I think Savannah is a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: is is is is is good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Savannah's character.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think her gameplay is fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the gameplay is fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Riz got as a character Savannah's character, but it really did feel like at times they were running circles around everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe because Riz got as literally doing the Fortnite L dance while talking about his moves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he's watching the six six when there's only six of them left.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not six six.
[SPEAKER_01]: So 33 is supposed to be, but
[SPEAKER_01]: steal the boat or block a boat or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like should be a three-two boat easy VZ event doesn't happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, what are we even doing here?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what are we even doing here?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how the people being stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one for me is when it's Sophie Sigretty goes home instead of Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like when when sage goes like personal vendetta again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're even doing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was that was the biggest mistake of the game and that's where everything ended.
[SPEAKER_00]: For me and again, it's like is Savannah really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, do I agree with you like I like that Savannah's a villain?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Savannah wants to be called a villain or not, but I enjoy the fact that she is we are desperate for villains We're desperate for villains and that's why Savannah's coming back to play right away I mean the rumor is that she replaced Mary Ann
[SPEAKER_00]: Marianne's not a villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Savannah is and Savannah is going to fit in better with the other cast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've heard tribe doesn't go to tribal council twice in the first two Tribals of 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she probably does go a lot for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every other member of that tribe went really far in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all made the merge.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like Savannah, it's so hard because it's what is Savannah's doing and what is production's doing and then what is Savannah also
[SPEAKER_00]: what production is giving her because that's another thing like when we do winter rankings will always ranks you will really low because you'll have the super idol you'll execute the super idol in such a perfect way that you can't take for granted that other people ever would have done that like you will might be the only person who would have ever executed that the way that he did and Savannah might be the only person who ever executed these things but it just never felt as satisfying as it should have and I think that's because of the
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a shame, I'm with you survivor production should have known this would get out there and be public knowledge because inside survivor since season 32 at least has been putting out who's on each tribe who's in the cast and who's on each tribe and that's not like that's the only spoiler they do and this is the only time that their spoiler has spoiled a winner of a season but it's like that's not their spoiler that was production production messed up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Production should have had no winners or had both results of an insane tribe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they ideally know winners would have been perfect, but they decided to do it for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they, yeah, it just kind of like suck the air out of watching the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it reflected in the views as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: As the season war on, the reviews just, like the views were never there for 49, but they went down, but as soon as 50 hype started, it's almost like survivor through 49.
[SPEAKER_01]: In a way kind of like thing to have some on here is which doesn't accept some moa
[SPEAKER_01]: was a compelling season all the way through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it did feel like Russell and Natalie and them actually had odds they were up against.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's no spoilers at Russell wins, obviously being on here's where's Philan's.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it really felt like they had odds were against them when they were down against Galu.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Galu collapses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was compelling TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Watching them be down seven to three.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then just everyone else was kind of like bumble their way.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was not the same amount of Galu.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though they were trying to bend,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you have the split and then it's the 621 vote on Alex where everybody agrees to vote on Alex and it's the 531 on Jowan where you're like, why is Jowan who they're targeting and then sage getting personal and voting out Sophie and then the totally butchered play by Sophie Bilarity at final five or final six whatever it is with with the knowledge is power where she just butchers it and then Steven used to block a vote Christina goes and
[SPEAKER_00]: Savannah sits there again and it's like, yeah, I played the best game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Savannah's game isn't able to be replicated.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that people would have a hard time replicating Savannah's game because I also think similar to with Kyle's game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's based on your personality if you can play the type of game Savannah played.
[SPEAKER_00]: Savannah does make some enemies on this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: She makes an enemy of Jowan.
[SPEAKER_00]: She makes an enemy of sage at times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she makes some enemies, but she makes an enemy of Christina, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: She also is good enough with other people that she's able to win anyway.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she kind of falls into that Tony category of, she's a villain, but she's a likable villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a villain that you'd go have a pair with.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's not a villain that you want to go away from your family.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what's super interesting about Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that a lot of people can go out and tow that line and play the same game that she played.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my take her worst move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, Rady Garcia says what's her best and where's my worst move is when Nate goes home.
[SPEAKER_00]: She had no idea that that was coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's totally blindsided there and her best move is the Joann Boot in my opinion because once Joann went, she's a part of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: She plays the extra vote what she didn't need to but she ensures that he goes home.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was supposed to be the backup vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: She makes sure it happens, she puts it into motion, she creates this like many alliance going for one episode and it ultimately is able to get her through the rest of the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think it's the Joanne booth.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would do my pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honor Rule mentioned her best unintentional move was bringing Sophie B on reward and then Sophie B hearing from God that she should just leave Savannah in the game and not so we're suicidal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, God would be assist apparently on that one when Savannah brings her on the Mexican reward or whatever they eat.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, also I got to mention that Sophie be misplayed that knowledge power so hard that I feel like I had to help Savannah in the end in terms of the final votes like it's harder to respect Sophie be when she could It's don't really the ideal move and I caught in this as well like I have proof I called it from the very beginning and like why is she still in Christina's idol?
[SPEAKER_01]: She knows she has it everyone new Christina had the idol is like said at one point in the episode Also, there's a secret scene of her looking through she is back and finding it
[SPEAKER_01]: Christine is not on your side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Still, Christine is out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't steal her idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: She could still own Rizzo's.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, but like, why would you steal your allies idol?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know she's playing her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, God for the assist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Apparently.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Joe.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If so, if you could have stolen Steven's, she could have stolen Steven's advantage at the prior tribal.
[SPEAKER_01]: She knew he had it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, chose, I'm going to wait till next time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you waited too long.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if she plays her knowledge as power, correct, I think so, the polarity went to season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that she went for season, but I think she garners more respect in the whole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the thing, though, if she plays it at final six, which is where Stephen goes home.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she does take an idol.
[SPEAKER_00]: She now has an idol at five.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you mean, Rizzo's idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: She takes Rizzo's idol.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, yeah, I said, then she's at five.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's also made this baller move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rizzo's gonna respect that because Rizzo's a fan of the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: She makes this baller move.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's gonna get the final four, which is gonna be fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: And either she's gonna win immunity, she's gonna get taken or she's gonna go in a fire, or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she has a chance, she gets up on a three there.
[SPEAKER_00]: She beats Savannah.
[SPEAKER_00]: She just didn't have enough of an argument when she got the best.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, all three people get votes here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't happen very often.
[SPEAKER_01]: The best move for her absolutely was stealing Rizzo's idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just seemed like they'll also the least likely move for it to make based on what we had seen her do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I say this because I think that boost Savannah in file tribal because we saw Christina, like basically asked the perfect question to Savannah to reveal her weakness in this game.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then Savannah still wins five or two to one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also Kyle won five or two to one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Close to the perfect game.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many votes off for Kyle and Savannah?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, six, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, six, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven, seven
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're both off by the same number on the perfect game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really, it's just in the Sophie B thing, like week after week watching her basically sit in her hands, was more fuel to the fire of like, it really feels like Savannah and Rizzo ready in the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, even though Sophie B's in their alliance, and she gets second place, and I still feel like did she though?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like she did, but the show will like never really made me feel like Sophie B earned second place, more like she stumbled into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I felt watching it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's what I was saying was like, when you look at Sophie B, the whole time, I felt like there was a legitimate chance that she could win the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I do feel like she could win the season, but it was more because of the edit telling me that she felt like she could win the season rather than like what I'm actually watching take place on the island.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, Sophie B could win the season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if you break down national game moves and you think about it, you're like, okay, but like what is Sophie?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like she's like, what is Sophie B actually done around here?
[SPEAKER_00]: And so if he gets a really strong headache because she's able to survive the disaster tribe, which generally happens with the person who's the last remaining person from the disaster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because Alex goes pretty quick after the merge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Alex never got back with Sophie be at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Alex just on his own little weird journey of trying to just break the margarita curse.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I do like Savannah's a character, I think her game, it did seem like she was, but then at the same time, you know, Christina asked that question about travel, which apparently Christina had planned on asking just that question anyways, but it really worked out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it could have been an ideal final three where nobody gets stumped by that question, but you know, like, no, I'm deaf.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then even Savannah like during the fall travel is like Christina I'm ever saying do it for your kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forget their name.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like what she said.
[SPEAKER_01]: She said do it for your effing mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what she said at the challenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just do it for mom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's all believed out on the screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's I don't just kind of exposed as soon as we can.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I doesn't make me like Savannah last.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just made me like Christina more because I didn't really care much for Christina.
[SPEAKER_01]: as a player.
[SPEAKER_01]: She finds a person, but like, I don't know, she just wasn't there to play.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very iceman of her, you know, where it's just, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't, like that's not important to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's why you're here because you think we're gonna be besties after this, like you're playing the wrong game.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a man obviously is very close with riso and very close with Sophie.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, that wasn't why she came out there to play, and it's like, if that's what's most important to you, that's what's most important to you, I don't really care.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she knew that she still had other votes on that jury, and it really didn't matter, and it's very ice-man, because that's the exact question Penny Ramsey asked Brian, and Brian's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what, he wins anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, though, it does, it shows, I do like when different jurors have different reasons for why they want to vote for somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, whoever got to know me the best is home to vote for a very valid reason as long as you own it, I think it's always as long as you own, that's the reason you're voting for somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Christina, I think held her a word, she didn't vote for, she didn't vote for somebody, did she?
[SPEAKER_01]: How many of them?
[SPEAKER_01]: She voted.
[SPEAKER_00]: She voted for Sophie B. Sophie B.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's Sophie B. I think like, I just want to go to the next stage with
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right, where do your people have her ranked?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, good question.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think she fell?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is she the 35?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, 24.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so it's going to be Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think 24 is a good spot for her.
[SPEAKER_00]: We ended up with her at 37, but I ranked her at 29.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like the rest of my people were a little lower on Savannah than I thought they were going to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a ranked at 29 and I truly do believe that if I rewatch 49, I'm probably ranking her closer to 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it was bad timing of this ranking for Savannah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you think the season itself is ranked?
[SPEAKER_01]: 38.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is not too far off 32.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe there's reasons to be biased because now we're talking about the most recent seasons the two most recent There's always a few reasons to be biased 49.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to move down as a season.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where Savannah will move up or down after 51 or 52 and we do these rankings again next year, but I do believe 49 itself will move down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's inflated a little bit It's interesting for me as
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I was lower on 49 because I felt like I already knew it was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like when I rewatch it, I'm actually going to go up on it because I'm going to feel like, okay, I actually know, I know what's happening and I'm supposed to know so now I can enjoy the show rather than feeling frustrated that survivors spoil it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you always want to build experience every season, the first time, you only get to experience every season the first time on spoiled ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, well, you know, unless people post spoilers, even then.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, it's a, it's the one season survivor itself set.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's decided to screw it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing this in favor of 50 and it's like, this didn't even favor 50, 70, and it's even make it that deep on 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they tanked all season for what ended up being like
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Second, yeah, because Kyle gets met of act right before her, but yeah, I've watched a fan of play again.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she would say yes, too, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, again, would prefer seeing Mary and before Samana but and like for picking one male one female from the new era for Marion over any other winner to come back to see again, Mary and we've heard for like a blood versus water.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has that like she has to have some said, she has to have a family family member for she has to have a fun family member right and she's already kind of a goof and blood versus water you need.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need that you need like a relationship or somebody's people are just goofy to each other and then you need like a girlfriend's niece where he's just like, I just need you here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can be here upon in my game of survival of my knees.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's move on to the controversial.
[SPEAKER_01]: The controversial winner.
[SPEAKER_01]: for some reason, Aubrey on Survivor 50, Aubrey, man, I feel like it's when we did the poll and did the rankings, everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very split, like the lot of people put Aubrey is their favorite, but a lot of people put Aubrey as their least favorite, which is 1,000% a resency bias.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm ready to have this conversation that other people aren't ready to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Blake and I kind of had this conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did a little retrospective on season 50 and all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we can take out our personal bias for the fact that we don't like what survivor has become.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, which we don't, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't like where the show has gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we can take out that personal bias, is Aubrey should Aubrey be being considered a top five or at least top 10 player in the history of survivor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you placements alone, she got what, first, second, fifth, and then edge of extinction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know, top 20, for sure, top 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, here's what I don't want to play top 10, top 20.
[SPEAKER_00]: She comes out her first time.
[SPEAKER_00]: She gets second place and she plays a really great strategic game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second time she comes out she gets fifth and if you binge watch game changers her game is significantly better than it is when you're watching it week to week she's a lot more part of the season than I remembered she still never feels like she can really win but she's coming off of just playing co-wrong she's a massive threat and everybody's mind and now she's
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got to walk two weeks before going through the changes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she comes out on edge of extinction.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's on a tribe with Joe Englum.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's always going to be targeted first, because that group didn't want a returning player to win and Joe Englum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now granted, she has an idol.
[SPEAKER_00]: She gets duped, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So rehab's a game like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Parvity has a game like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony has a game like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the great still.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then she comes back and she wins on her fourth try.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she has a second on her first try, a fifth and a first.
[SPEAKER_00]: Her second might be the best runner-up game in the history of the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have
[SPEAKER_00]: a bad showing on a season that was always designed for her to pretty much do bad when you think about edge of extinction.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's on their with Joe Englum.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're never going to vote off Joe Englum.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they want to, if she's on the Kelly Wentworth spot, they're probably voting off David before they're voting off her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I don't think people are willing to give her the credit because
[SPEAKER_00]: This win feels very unsatisfying, but I think there is a, I think that if I was ranking the top players of all time, I think Aubrey has to be top 10.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, I think there's an argument that she has to be ahead of Seree because she beats Seree twice in her first game, pretty much just as good as Seree's first game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I think it's hard to say that you know what it is with Syrie?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Syrie has a really, so it's almost like you're playing a video game and you'll get the stats trying to figure out what's the player?
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's my skill set the most, the one I want to play with the most.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like there's like bars, Syrie's like social game bars, like max, like max.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like 100% no room to improve it at all, but then her other areas of like physical, like little, little, little bar, you know, little filled in, where's Aubrey, I think has a bit more and all those and her social games a little bit less and it's like, man, I'm comparing, you know, two people with me with equal skills, but Aubrey's a little more balanced than Suri.
[SPEAKER_01]: Suri's a really amazing, a one thing and it's why she won the traitors that first season of the traitors because it was more about that than anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but then with Aubrey, it's like, yeah, but she's a little more balanced in other areas of Surrey, isn't it's heart man, I mean Aubrey's one, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: She's one and she went on a season with Surrey and then you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: She got fifth place on a season where Surrey got sixth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to knock Surrey though for that sixth place.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's hard to me to say on advantage, get it and that Aubrey was better than her.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Surrey just didn't find a trinket out in the forest or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all at the time, places for Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for me, it's just again, it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: People, I get wanting to diminish this win.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not rank this win very high.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, because it is so random.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's benefits significantly from the blood moon, Kyle tears as a killies.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have all these other moments throughout the season that are just like random luck.
[SPEAKER_00]: She pairs up with devins and coach and Chris here the ones who were gonna go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
[SPEAKER_00]: there's so much randomness to this game and we really don't get a well-edited version of Aubrey at all on this season.
[SPEAKER_00]: The editors do a pretty poor job of telling us her through line from the beginning to the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: They start doing a better job at the end of, it's all about timing, it's all about timing, it's all about timing, Michelle Fitzgerald taught me that and this is what I'm gonna do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what Francois here says, Look has always been a part of Survivor, but 50 is just crazy and that's what bothers me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like
[SPEAKER_00]: She swaps at the blood moon to a tribe with her biggest enemy, who everybody's just obviously gonna be willing to vote out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, how is this what's happening here at this, you know, in season 50, it's so random and there's so much randomness and Aubrey benefits a lot from the randomness.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Aubrey also does a very good job of understanding.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to just lay low.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to just let the game play out.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's 20 or people.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long as season there's going to be a lot of random stuff that gets thrown at the wall and I need to just suffer through it and I need to just sit here and like when I'm watching the world cup, you know soccer they always say you now they have to suffer now they have to suffer like when you're up one nothing but you get a red card.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now for 25 minutes, you're just playing defense with a team just taking shot after shot after shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you suffer long enough to get through?
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that's what Aubrey was doing here.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was just suffering.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was just sitting there and realizing what she had to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And her end game is perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: She knows who she can be.
[SPEAKER_00]: She knows who she can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she gets to the end against the right people and wins the game very easily.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think though,
[SPEAKER_00]: Ranking Aubrey's win, I ranked it at, and this is, I promise, is the last bit of my points, and this has been a long speech here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I ranked Aubrey's win at 34, but I consider her a top 10 player, and that's where the difference between what's your winning game and how are you as a player?
[SPEAKER_00]: You are vastly, vastly different, because Aubrey, her win solidifies her for me as a top 10 player, but her win is also a bottom tier win in my eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you went to 34 and then we already know the fans are into 35.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you guys are pretty close together.
[SPEAKER_01]: I I wonder if Aubrey with the years of separation, next year, if she'll move up or down this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like the most because there's so many strong feelings.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I don't blame Aubrey though for.
[SPEAKER_01]: for the nonsense of 50.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the Christian vote was such a straightforward vote because of the show, the show screwed Christian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not Jimmy Fallon, the show screwed Christian.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would've been whoever went.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ozzy lost that or won that rocker versus Ozzy would've been screwed, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Ozzy had the idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he could have saved himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ozzy would've been screwed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like people were like, we're gonna vote Ozzy, but he has the idol, so we can't let him know about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been like that would've been the, it's the number who went on that journey.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were screwed.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was that they were cooked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless they could just do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: puzzle, super fast or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aubrey, man, it's like she's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: She really just feels like he might head down, avoid the nonsense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Her really, her worst play was
[SPEAKER_01]: Her worst play, but yeah, it kind of helped at the same time was I forgot to play my idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like everyone's come on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's made it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she just wasted it right after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she uses the next tribal, and she just, yeah, and then the tribal after that, so when we're devins has to find the fake idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, obviously, I really could use my real idol.
[SPEAKER_01]: This would have been an actual time, he used my real idol.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a big misplay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, her best move, though, is when she convinces Ozzy not to play the idol because she's going home there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's able to convince Ozzy comes over and tells her all the information and everything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's just like, I got to go make sure Ozzy goes home now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she does a great job of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ozzy had the dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: He should have played his idol and he doesn't play it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, is there luck to that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: The way that that tribe is split up at final nine, Jonathan winning instead of
[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany winning like these are all big moments, but it's the way the game played out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Aubrey makes the most of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hate to say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if the new area doesn't change, I'll replace the perfect version of survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that's not what production and Jeff want, they need to change up the way that survivor is structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there is no reason to do what Rick Devon does or what Christian does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or when any of these players do, Genevieve, anybody who's trying to make a bigger move, anybody who's trying to play more aggressive, there's no benefit to it, because you've put your head up too early, there's too much game left and there's too much randomness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Colby played in Tarsis with him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't voted since 2009.
[SPEAKER_00]: John and for Camilla gets punished for blindsiding Charlie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she makes a move immediately as punished the next day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Genevieve is punished for finding idols.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was such BS.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole season.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all do appeal to celebrities who don't like
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of them do care.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really do believe Jimmy Fallon and Zach Browner fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe Mr. Beasts is more of a fan than most people if that makes it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Mr. Beasts is a fan of Survivor, but like that's the loose term.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas like Billy Alex clearly was not.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like we're doing all of this in service of these celebrities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why even call the season and this is a discussion?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can you call it in the hands of the fans?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's to cast on it, which is a gesture to do on this podcast, trying to gaslight us in the thing in the way he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just stop lying to us, just stop lying.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I ask, just stop the lying.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much lying.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the fans of the fans was a lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lie.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really bad theme and it's the first theme we have since season 40 and it's just a fan that is it's it's not in our hands There's so many random twists and whatever some of them work like I honestly don't mind the Paris twist as much Right, and that's not even really being results face the coin flip is stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: It only was great because it worked if that doesn't work That's the biggest want want want of all time
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the coin flip fill would have been fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that could have done was been like no matter what, it's $2 million.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is for your safety and an idol or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know, I'm not saying that makes it better, but at least like, I feel like $2 million should have been on the table for that flip.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Mr. B's here, it's $2 million.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Mr. B's like, that's, there's your pro.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's your giving.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as a result, because we've up the prize, somebody has to do X, and X, they took the coin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could have been at could have been at the auction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's so many extra people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could have done it at the auction still had an oral vote.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get frustrated when I think about all the twists here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they ruined the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's so much bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and Aubrey benefits from it, though, and Aubrey manages her threat level, the exact way you're supposed to manage your threat level.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think it's really smartly done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we ended up ranking her in our actual rankings.
[SPEAKER_00]: She came in at 40.
[SPEAKER_00]: I again had her at 34.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys had her at 35.
[SPEAKER_00]: Will ranked her at 48.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was really low on her, because he just said it was too random.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if this is what survivor is, this is what you have to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Hyrule keeps asking, can we compare it to Christy Bennett?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of why I don't love Australian survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: especially some of the earlier seasons, Australian survivor because there's so many players, the people who stick their head up to early, they go so early and it's the people who just kind of let it go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the first winner ever who he started out as Christie Bennett, Christie doesn't do anything the entire season until she has to at the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she doesn't do anything for the longest part because it's all about just getting there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeff, you know, in season 31, 32, 33, 34.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you got to make big moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to want to play this game.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't make big moves, you're going to go home.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't win unless you do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in reality, we have now talked about 10 new era winners.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who made big moves?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think any of them ever made big moves in the way that Jeff wants them for TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's playing a Russell game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's playing a Tony game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's playing a summary game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody is playing an under the radar social game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Aubrey, I think, this is where the game was at.
[SPEAKER_00]: She came in and knew that she had to adapt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she had to play in this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she doesn't perfectly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to knock Aubrey, but at the same time, like, the pre-me, pre-merged story for her is Herbert's Genie V. And then it concludes with a four-of-o for Genie V. And like, that's like, but that's the story that gave her.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was Herbert's Genie V. And it wasn't even really hard to go Genie V. But Genie V can do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Genie V can do it to save herself.
[SPEAKER_01]: Genie V does give her the jacket.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give her that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but there's no way for Genevieve to save herself in that moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I'm fine with Aubrey getting the better of Genevieve.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, you sit here and you watch this and it's built up as this head to head competition.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then instead it's just, hey, we did this really dumb twist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody who's here doesn't want to work with Genevieve.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now Aubrey's going to get to survive this and win this battle.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, so you know, you're watching a war movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're setting up the two size and it's like, oh, one just dropped the new on the other and that was your climax.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's not exactly what we meant here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we wanted to actually watch the battle take place and I don't actually get to watch the battle take place.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does suck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Aubrey though, what's your definitive worst move?
[SPEAKER_00]: Her worst move, you know, I do think it's the way she, it's either the idle thing, but I actually think it is the way she handles Genie Vee Verley.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they go to one travel council, she goes home.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's very lucky that he can go to a travel council.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then best move was Aussie.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's definitive.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such an unfountryable and then don't try to take credit, but good people like this is Aubrey's move.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, it's a phenomenal move.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and that's again where, you know, it's hard to see Aubrey's game throughout, but when she made her couple moves, they're brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's a.
[SPEAKER_00]: freaking phenomenal move.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you'd remember, she's playing on past history there with Ozzy, they played together on game changers, they played, you know, she played with Surrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's leaning into all this past history and she's like, but I'm not going home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not really in sacrifice myself for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think her learning and really the show acknowledging finally like why Michelle Fitzgerald was able to win, I think was beneficial.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yet, 50s of disappointing season,
[SPEAKER_00]: on Aubrey and why we fell in love with her at the beginning of her time on the show like my wife hadn't watched 32 or 34 and had a and watch 50 so we just watched 32 and 34 she's like I love Aubrey she's like where was this on 50 yeah like exactly like it doesn't make sense and you know some people say well maybe Aubrey just wasn't delivering you got story producers out there you got it you got a pull the story out of Aubrey that you need to pull and and it wasn't there in the early portion of
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like the, and I know it was talked about by a couple players specifically Angelina and Chrissy were like, they're not interested in telling women stories this season, they're interested in telling the men stories and then Angelina made a post talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: how she was in college.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a paraphrasing.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was in college and like a college professor and she talked about how he was calling on men over women and she called them out and something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And all you get from the people who do publications about survivor, post-sust survivor, not the name names, but you know them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The names that you always talk about survivor for their job were like,
[SPEAKER_01]: joking about the college professor instead of addressing what Angelina was saying, which is survivor is not interested in women's stories and they care more about the man.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, this is the, but that's the people that get to do stuff for survivor.
[SPEAKER_01]: People that just, you know, fluff pieces suck up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what else to call it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, you know, I can't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just can't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's, you just gotta be straightforward.
[SPEAKER_01]: And,
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really love me the wrong way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw these people who supposedly care about survivor, just joke on this professor and avoid the whole issue that she's talking about and she's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at the confessional, it's very reflective.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why is Serrigan as your professional episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I knew Devon's also got one, but like it was definitely the women were being shut out more than the men the season and Aubrey's a woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a winner, why are we more impressed by her on 50 with all this screen time they had available?
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are people talking about Jonathan being robbed?
[SPEAKER_01]: When it really should have been more like a Kenzie Charlie situation like, man, either one could have won.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were both so close, but it doesn't feel like that's the discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like Jonathan should have won.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't agree, Jonathan should have won by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I made a video,
[SPEAKER_01]: breaking down why the jury did not vote for Jonathan.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have won, but he should not have won against Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, I don't know, it's such a shame.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I really hope that while the show, I think the did a parade article or something, something saying like, we're not changing our editing at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Screw you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I need that brown thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get by the girl listening.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get where you're coming from, why, because obviously, like, your channel is massive.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know, like, you know, without their ones like, pretty, I'm an idle doubt and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, I mean, our channel, we do well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for a podcast, for a channel that is strictly podcasts, like, you know, what, it's just, it's,
[SPEAKER_00]: We're only behind Rob and now Tyson has a YouTube channel, like just for strictly podcast stop for obviously doing short-form content and stuff too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we do as well as we can, but like, I don't get exit interviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I did it for a couple of finalies, but that was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, I don't get all this other stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, I have to give my own opinions, otherwise, what is the point of this podcast?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I say every time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We get all the comments, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: We post our winner rankings on Instagram whatever you know we're doing that so that we can get the conversation I don't really care if people don't agree with us But it's all these people are like this is why I never listen to this podcast and I don't get a bunch of likes And I'm like, I don't really care why you don't listen to us like I like I have to do the podcast the way that I know how to do the podcast And I have to do the podcast in a way that feels authentic to me
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm always going to give my real opinions on what's happening with the show, on what's happening with the players, because that's who I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like, if it's coming down to, oh, I have to give these like fake opinions, so I can get more clicks and more likes and more of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be doing it then.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be my friends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bring me back to Fiji so I can do stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I have I have you know, I have on my personal accounts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've like 600 followers on stuff because I don't post on that I think I've posted two Instagram posts in four years on my personal Instagram account like I don't care about that stuff I don't want to be an influencer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just love talking about survivor And I do like talking about other reality TV shows and kind of seeing the differences and stuff And I'll tell you like when Angelina's making those points if I agree with it I'm gonna tell you I agree with it if I don't agree with it I'm not I'm gonna tell you I don't agree with it because at the end of the day like
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not getting like if I'm getting invited to stuff like I love that and I appreciate it I'm not trying to be like, oh man, you know, I'm better than this.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I appreciate when that happens, but I'm not going to change up my approach just because I do get into something or because of any of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not worth it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like as cool as those experiences are and I hope I get to keep doing them such as going to premieres or franalities or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not putting food on my plate and it's also not like it's not making me feel great in the same way that like doing this podcast on a week-to-week basis I love this thing and I have sex with this thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if I start selling out I'm not enjoying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just yeah, it feels like people are selling out ignoring the actual issues And I think that just feeds into the fire of Jeff being like, well, it's just a vocal minority It's like, yeah, because you should because if anyone actually did speak up you
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, gas like them or poke at them or everyone with word is like you just make them feel like they're dumb right under for opinion you don't like Bonnie will you're dumb you know is that is the opinion not oh you know that's a different point of view so it's just it when the host is out outwardly aggressive at people who disagree with them it just encouraged people to agree with them you know they don't really agree with them yeah and and again it like you know I always say group think you know the whole 1984 word but it's like
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the internet community has so much group think a lot of the time and people always say I don't think insulting half of your fan base is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like my fan base at this point knows what I mean right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They know what I mean.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the people who go on x and just parrot each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: People go on instagram and just parrot each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: People go on blue sky and just parrot each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: and start taking these parative things as fat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, yeah, in my opinion, Chris Dorty's the second best winner of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can argue with me to your blue and the face.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my opinion, and that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have your opinion, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just have your opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the one thing that I think is going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And falling off a little bit is you're allowed to have your opinion you're allowed to be critical and that doesn't mean that you hate to show it doesn't mean that you hate survivor doesn't mean that you're being overly negative just to be overly negative.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody's been critical about stuff all the time I mean that is how things go like people grow because people are critical over the things that they do and that's where like you know you go to Aubrey's win here I love Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_00]: like I really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love Aubrey as a survivor player.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like Aubrey a lot as a person.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I sit here and I look at this and I rank her at 34th or whatever I did, I feel bad about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, her 50 game, it's not there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't get to experience it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not as impressive as her co-wrong game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or even as her game changers game, because those games, we actually get to watch her play survivor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here we just watch her dodgemines.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just not a saddest spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's playing defense and Jeff wants to ever play offense.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, how many votes do you think she's off from perfect game?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is she not get three at the end?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she is at five.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is ten totals.
[SPEAKER_01]: She has sent it into her during the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's how much I was paying attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she doesn't get three votes because Chris C Stephanie and Coach all votes were tauffin, but then during the season, yeah, she still gets seven votes against her interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is a fun series man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really get where does the hands of the fans rank from your people.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only thing we didn't get to shoot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just closed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the last thing we need.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I can say this is a fun series higher it's higher than a higher than Aubrey.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm shell finished at 29th.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to say I moved my everything pulls back up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aubrey finished, so Aubrey finished the 35 Michelle the 29th.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you always have to watch color wrong to fully enjoy 50 agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like almost an excess necessary to watch because Tiffany's like, Pete Aubrey got robbed and everybody knows it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, oh well, how did she get robbed?
[SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't watch 32, you have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knew she didn't get robbed, Wes?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Tiffany was telling me, I know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that she didn't get robbed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to keep repeating that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the, that was what Timmy was telling Joe and Joseph.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I didn't know there was a season before 48.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what is that?
[SPEAKER_01]: So okay, let's take a look here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're to 50 land 50 was ranked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Scrolls, scrolls, scrolls, scrolls, scrolls, scrolls, scrolls, 50 was ranked season number.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll take a guess first, I guess, like 24, 19th.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's way too high.
[SPEAKER_00]: This seems to be in the 40s, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right above, Millennial versus Jack's right below go about, I think that's in our season where it's going to drop.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see, yeah, let's see how people feel in the year.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Aubrey was dogged on harder right after when I think 50 was probably propped up a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a fine season, but
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think also it's impossible not to mention this to Aubrey sings to two people who don't have, I'm sorry, Joe does have a family, but Joe is not considered Joe is not going to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aubrey's unique to Jonathan who doesn't have kids or a family and Aubrey does.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a difference between Aubrey, her prior time playing and this time playing is now she's no longer single woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now she's a married woman at the child.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: people on the jury, generally, we're married and we're had children.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, again, the winner you want to see reflected, though she plays an in the middle game, I played an in the middle game, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I want to see the winner reflect me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well this is a fun series.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is very good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really enjoyed doing this over the last eight weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did 10 episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought this was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, always fun to do something to in the dog days of July when there's really nothing going on on our front, especially we don't cover big brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wes, what do you have coming up now as we had an August?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you're doing all winners all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: So drop us one last time.
[SPEAKER_01]: All winners next month in the month of August, all videos related to winners, including an Aubrey story video, including Wyjoth and Lost 50, so many more 13 videos in total, dropping in the month of August.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a rapid pace as we lead into 51, which will be starting in September.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so we're going to actually have so this weekend on Sunday if you're listening to this on Friday on Sunday John and McKenna and I think Alex trios are I'm going to cover the challenge for us this season so they are going to be doing a cast discussion on Sunday August second and then they're going to be covering the challenge moving forward and Blake and I are going to be covering surviving bar stool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we are going to be doing that that premieres on August 9th and on August 9th we won't have an episode for the premier because I'm on a plane that night I'm not getting into LA until about midnight I'm coming from the east coast I'm certainly not going to be podcasting after that but we'll be live on the 10th after the second episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Blake and I will be covering both of the first two episodes and then we're going to do a recap episode for every episode, moving forward from there.
[SPEAKER_00]: John and McKenna finishing out bitter or better next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they're on their final episode, 46 through 50 of the first jurors and how they impact the end game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we still have a lot going on in August.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that the traders, the traders comes on in September.
[SPEAKER_00]: Survivor comes on in September.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Kyle and McKenna will be covering amazing race at the end of September.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have plenty of stuff going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, just,
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not really going to hear from me over the next week, but you'll hear from me starting on August 10th again when we get back the surviving bar stool.
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