[SPEAKER_01]: Dino Man!
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey everybody, it's Dino Mike show Paul Fontaine Jeff Hawkins here on the Fiky Media YouTube channel checking in Just after Dino Mike ended, 35 minute overrun today, I believe.
[SPEAKER_00]: think that's a record.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, and this is after a five hour pay for the on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and I've ring of honor special that they just sprung on everybody at the last minute yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know about it till today.
[SPEAKER_00]: You sent me that message about the island on match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I figured it was on Thursday.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, it was yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ha, like, this guy's a maniac.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't Brian Alvarez says this all the time, but like, I mean, okay, I just, I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The show was good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wish they could run dynamite there every week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's a great crowd that they had there today.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd was really into what they were doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, I mean, that women's title match, that would have died at death just about anywhere else.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that crowd just gave them all the flowers that I've not even positive were deserves.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a part of me that they say they knew they had to play a role so that they'd get back there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a wrong with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's absolutely nothing wrong with kind of being artificial as a crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: I and I also saw people saying, Oh, I wish they could run a bigger building.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if I want that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Mel is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: John Muses was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure any of our other friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not even sure they're all our friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I like John, I'm not sure that I'm not sure that I'm not sure the feeling is mutual.
[SPEAKER_01]: this is not the time it could just be your miss reading things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the time replace for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: So before we get into tonight's show we should probably talk a little bit about Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I watched this show yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was I was talking with this with Garrett about this yet last night.
[SPEAKER_00]: I started watching the show around 1230 on my lunch break.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I finished the show around 833.
[SPEAKER_00]: to be a a a a a a a a a a a a a
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely not can see it in the theater.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Paul's a reader.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really know anything about it other than, oh, you go to see the Odyssey.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's all I know about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, but you read the Odyssey up there in Canada?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, joint, no, I mean, I'm talking about the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I would only know about the movie because of people in our Discord talking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I've never seen a commercial for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, but regardless, I'm not going to see a three hour movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: like I'm just not like I can't sit in a theater for three hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll fall asleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: I absolutely will fall asleep.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would propose that AEW put an intermission in its paper.
[SPEAKER_00]: Many of you used to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like, that's a good comparison.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, okay, the paper is really long.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, I mean, we say this every time, but it was never, ever, ever more prevalent than this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you cut two hours off that show,
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been up to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you told me you told me to skip everything after the call Fletcher match for the next two hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think is what's better.
[SPEAKER_01]: These are the match after the call Fletcher match might have been might have been the match after that and then I go for you go away for two hours come back and you'll be Yeah, you just said or fast forward two hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Problem is on my W. It's really hard to fast forward two hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it really is like that
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've experienced it, but the interface is not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I watched the whole show and I mean, there was a couple, I mean, okay, everyone's saying there's like two really bad matches, I didn't even really think they were all that bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the the chain match was a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did the best they could with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think the match itself was all that bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I didn't think the sheet of mattress all that bad, um, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think the sheet of mattress was bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought, I thought juice at least was trying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, get that audience into that match.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was just was going nowhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was just a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the other problem is, okay, they're in Montreal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think those two matches aired back to back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I, okay, so dynamite airs on an English station.
[SPEAKER_00]: 90% of the people in Montreal only speak French.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if they're watching dynamite.
[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, those people wrestle mostly on collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Collision airs on a network that not a lot of people have, and honestly, I'm not even positive it's available in Tibet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's on USA Network, which airs mainly scripted network dramas, repeats of scripted network dramas, like five-year-old episodes of 911, and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's like our USA.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with Calu, it's randomly thrown in there on a Saturday night, you know, like so I don't think wrestling, it's not like a destination point for people.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they're looking for wrestling, so I don't think people are finding it by accident.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think most people I even have that network don't even know they have it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my point being, I don't think those people knew juice Robinson or Clark Conner's or whoever else was in them had to jay white David Finley.
[SPEAKER_00]: or my world, I bless our soul.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those matches, they were going to have to work a different match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jericho and Champa, to their credit, realized, hey, we can't work a typical AW match because these fans are not AW fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to do a universal match that every wrestling fan would get into.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Omega, on the other hand, these people, New Kenny Omega,
[SPEAKER_00]: And they he conducted them like a like a conductor would and they hated Kevin night because they knew I guess because of Mike Bailey they knew that Kevin night had turned up Mike Bailey at some point and they hated them they just hated him they were chatting speed balls better and Kevin night to his credit was eating it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they did not work their typical 50, 50, A, W, made event.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Omega kicked his ass and Kevin Knight got his spots in, but for the most part was there to be beaten.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was, you know, I love the main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was my favorite match on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got the Kyle Fletcher match was the best match in the show, but the main event was my favorite.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first few minutes of that main event, I was loving it because I was like, because I said on here, I'd rather have a heated match than a good match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was loving the heel work that night was doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say, okay, he's come out here to try and work this crowd, which I thought was ingenious.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they just stopped him like, can he do his match?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because Kenny was like, like I said, he, his idea was, I originally thought, okay, his idea is going to be, I'm just going to try to have the best match possible with Kenny and, or with Kevin and prove to the world that Kevin night isn't made of venture.
[SPEAKER_00]: That wasn't what he was there to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was there to be the dominant world champion, and he did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I like.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I I did not like the post match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't need it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't need it because I did like Kenny's part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like the death riders and will really okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't like the Kenny part of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really well, especially after tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it made a lot more sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: What Kenny.
[SPEAKER_01]: I okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do we want to have this debate now or what we can have this debate.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have part now and part when we get to the main event segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have long said the biggest mistake that AEW ever made was upon inception, not making Kenny Omega and the Bucks and possibly Cody or Hangman, the secondary champ, making them all your champions so that you can get that facet of the fan base.
[SPEAKER_01]: to be able to see our company that we love pushes the best wrestlers.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they fought against that by turning the elite heel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the one match that is the exception to the rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: We, the big problem now that the,
[SPEAKER_01]: AEW fanbase was having with this build was the deathwriters involvement in the main event angle going into all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the will save gets rid of the deathwriters allegedly, okay, great.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can have the match that the sickos want.
[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't even match the Jeff Hawkins ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although Jeff is into this as a theory.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jeff kind of wants this, even though Jeff is speaking in the third person.
[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't do it that anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nevertheless, the match that the sick goes want is giant, baby-faced superstar, Kenny Omega, the legend, the New Japan legend, the best-bout machine against Will Osprey,
[SPEAKER_01]: The guy who's been there as well for 10 years, the fan favorite, the best worker blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, they want alpha versus alpha, this match does not need heat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this match just needs both guys to say we're the best now.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't they don't need to do the Shawn not Shawn Michaels, but there are other people who would do those promos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's steal the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want that meta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go for five stars for Dave.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get it anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, just by showing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I want is the two separated for the most part, just saying how what a thrill it is that I'm going to be main eventing for the title against this great guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's great too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave the audience a little conflicted or rooting for both.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let's just go at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just go at it and see this great.
[SPEAKER_01]: six, 12 stars in Japan, whatever Dave's gonna rank this, match that everybody's been dying for, and hopefully it lives up to the expectations.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think the sickos wanted.
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead, Kenny does the one we get angel at the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: The deathbriders were correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moxley was correct about Kenny.
[SPEAKER_01]: everybody was right about will.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay, and and I will say like I as much as I like the Kenny angle at the end of the thing, everything I liked about it was undone by the segment that they showed on Dynamite today with the deathwriters watching the segment and saying, oh yeah, see will we were right, blah, blah, blah, I didn't want that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want that.
[SPEAKER_01]: because in our discord and they're not going to, yeah, they're going to be well, this makes sense because see, when we'll join the death of writers, he had, you know, he had burned some bridges and so it would be one of those things where he should still be mad at him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm also kind of a bit upset at the Kenny thing because in the main event segment, Kenny's correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Will was actually a good guy, he would have thrown the bag away instead of holding it there for a clip and ripping it, doing whatever,
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Kenny's the jerk with a point, Will's kind of a wuss again, and it's like, I can show you I could do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't what we want Paul.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Will was offered to hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Will was offered help by people other than John Moxley, and he either ignored them or turned them down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so everybody's in the mirror.
[SPEAKER_00]: The more Joe offered his help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and Will goes to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm being driven a little bit nuts, but like this is where everybody goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, why do you watch AEW since you hate it so much?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I want it to be so great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will tell you that I can't poke these holes in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you say, why do you watch AEW because you hate it so much?
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say, I watch AEW because I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate a two and a half hour plus show when it's supposed to be two hours and I don't know like I'm not saying I'm going to quit or I'm not getting it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how long like I can't take this like too often like I just can't I got a life man.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand that and so I and but you know a lot of the sickers don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a lot of them don't and the thing is if and if that was the guy's at the chat, but I'm thinking about I know I need for double if that was the case Like I would just watch it at my own pace like air like WWE You know like I watched raw this morning, you know, and I don't feel like I missed much by not watching it on Monday night and yeah, whatever
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do I can't do an AEW paper real life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did I did that double nothing in Vegas And I said I am done.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do this because because it's it's great for people who can sit there for the six hours and don't want to miss anything
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to miss stuff by going to like a concession standing, getting stuff, and they don't give you the like, no, I just need to see video packages and blah, blah, blah, it's like so I can no pee and get some popcorn that's why I just decide ahead of time which match can I skip and and I and I do that I do the thing where I see if they hit the three I run out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was that revolution.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've done that too, but I was that revolution in San Francisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a particularly long show because I had the one hour Brian Danielson M. J. F. Match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was I think it was Wardlow and Brian Cage.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, yeah, I can miss this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I went and had a beer with Garrett.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think he had a whiskey.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to circle back, yeah, I think it's almost like when we build to that point where all the sickos will be happy and get what they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: They decide you know what would be interesting here is if I went heal as a as a as a champion and Kenny when he got the belt and this is why I'm also being driven nuts by this He did the oh I'm a good guy and I have this title belt I could use against mjf right now I'm so conflicted and he threw it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like yes, you're straight ahead good guy and then like three weeks later.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing one-way get angels
[SPEAKER_01]: You Pearl Harboring will ask for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, no, don't I don't want gollum.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't what can he turning into Leo Rush over the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and here's the thing I thought to and I will also say like when I said I liked it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's because I wrongly I will admit assumed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we're going to get Kenny Omega versus Andradi at grandson Mexico and and it'll be Kenny saying, okay, I'm going to be I'm going to beat on drati and his own country and then I'm going to go to England and I'm going to beat Will and his own country and he's going to do it as a quasi heel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love that instead on drati's wrestling some random match.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even know who it's against next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: mystical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it mystical?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, did they?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I'm just guessing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm just guessing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, so yeah, so we got like four matches, although we only know one of the participants in one of them and, you know, and that's fine, you know, whatever, but, you know, and I guess Kenny's not going to defend the title before Wembley, so that's fine too, I guess he just has a one title defense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... yeah on drawy's hometown of mexico out of mexico well it is it is mexico city no i i i don't think that's a drawy's hometown i just want to start about that because just so and and i don't have to take my own no shavani feels terrible about it too because you know he's just like i've had ripped for the world because he i had as soon as the words left his mouth he knew it
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was supposed to say it's home country.
[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, as we found out, I, you know what, I didn't think this was actually happening, but there was that one episode of collision from the golf course, where they were having audio issues all night, and we could hear Tony Con, screaming things in Tony Shabani's ear, and so like we know it happens, like, and so I'm sure that's what was happening here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to, all these key lines he wanted to get out, and you know, he's an old man,
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, interesting question.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to ask someone and I know who I can ask about this is Tony in everybody's ear, not abusive like Vince.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, but like micro managing a bit on commentary and things together.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I my suspicion and and you could definitely ask, but my suspicion would be it's not like constant, but there is things that he wants to get out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: and so when they when they pop into his head, they pop out of his mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he is, he is telling these guys, get this in, get this in, get this in, get that in, get this in, you know, like, oh, remind them that, you know, Willow is the first ever grand sign of champion or, you know, whatever, like, you know, all these different facts he wants out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Funny thing is, they said she was the first ever triple crown.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's actually a grand sign of
[SPEAKER_00]: But they don't count that for some reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did she let me know?
[SPEAKER_00]: She did.
[SPEAKER_00]: She won the same year Ricky Stark's did.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh god.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no title shot in line that year.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I can't remember who she beat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't Brit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It might have been stat.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it was in Calgary too.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm recalling correctly, I think it was on collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm not mistaken, I don't even think it was on a paper view.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so yeah, so the pay for you was, I mean, okay, it was a good show, but it was easily their worst pay for view in a couple of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just, you know, that's just the testament to how good their shows usually are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you gotta go back to like, World's End 20, 23, maybe?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is that the 23 or 24?
[SPEAKER_00]: The year was M.J. Aftingett's Somoa Joe in the main event where they had the devil revealed the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was kind of a bad show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I found this mediocre.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, okay, pacing the pacing was bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It made for a longer night than it probably was, although it was a long night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, it was one of those things where it's just like, you know what, man?
[SPEAKER_01]: We know this is a B paper, you don't have to give us
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we don't have six matches could it on six matches and it would have been an outstanding show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I love the idea that, you know, Brian and Vinnie accidentally hit on there, like, if they would have done that, like, flash finish in the, in the Mark Davis on.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been great.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it would have been like a memorable moment, instead it was just another banger on an AW paper view, you know, but it got, you know, nobody's going to remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it would have been, and it would have shortened the show by, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's good, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in Tony's mind, hey, no, we get in five hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that was the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you know, the show was over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and we'll see the other thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I said, I compared it to a five hour episode of collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not to say, that's not to say it was a bad show at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I normally like collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it felt like collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of those
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the car seat is randomly defending the title every week on collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: The bang bang gang are out there having matches on collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like on your audit and and Mark Davis, you tell me that's on a collision.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the reason I really liked the UPS spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that how you say that the the the the the name of the mantra.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's yeah, I think UPS.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked the UPS spot because it was the one spot in a match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than the main event where Kevin night was really working the crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: they were listening to a crowd in doing, even though it was highly planned.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love the breakup at two for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's that disconnect to me with AEW matches, where it's like, we're doing this, hoping for a response rather than listen to the audience, and then doing something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that is,
[SPEAKER_01]: not talked about enough when when critiquing cards for AEW.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to do these things because
[SPEAKER_01]: will get a claim for them, et cetera, as opposed to, hey, what does this piece need?
[SPEAKER_01]: What does this card need?
[SPEAKER_01]: What does this match need right now to service it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are times where I think you need a little bit more heat in some of these matches that are very well worked to get the audience into it as opposed to
[SPEAKER_01]: what the de facto is is usually a high spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing a high spot to get the audience into it as opposed to say a heat spot type of a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, you know what's the point, one thing is the tag title match is a good example of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you made a comment to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You said that the problem with the match was they overstayed their welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was the exact opposite.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, I think the problem was, I say that about that one or, no, I thought that was about the chain match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and let's, okay, maybe I just misunderstood which match you were talking about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed the tag match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that first, you know what, I think maybe you said the tag match and I just assumed you were talking about the tag.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but the thing is with that match was Christian, that was another spot where they listened to the crowd because Christian realized this match is dying.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to change something and he just decided I'm going to be the baby face on fire.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is not a typical Christian thing to do in here, correct?
[SPEAKER_01]: Looking at it, I thought it did over stay as welcome a little bit, because I think pack and so forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was the other way around.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the beginning that was the part that didn't need to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The last half of the match was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's like that beginning made it over stay as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting far too much spots here as opposed to actual.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that they could have anticipated ahead of time that it was going to be like that, but those guys are pros and once they figured it out, they figured out, okay, this is how we can have a good match and they did, they had a good match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't a great match, but it was a good match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that shows over.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're on the road to all in and you know that we're starting to get the semblance of a card.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still know idea what the hell John Moxie was talking about and we'll get to that and I'm not sure he did either.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: although props to john moxley for doing full on boating from point break finally and just get to me in that thing about writing the wave so yeah yeah i i it's been a while since i saw point break so i definitely didn't pick up on that it is a solid movie the the original i i
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't watch movies over again, generally, occasionally, like, I'll wait 10 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I may do a rewatch.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I see point breakers, I can watch a lot of media anyway, so I can see that for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if I have an hour and a half, I could go, well, I can watch classic wrestling, or I can watch point break, or Robocop, or Predator, and I'll watch one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been trying to watch more movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I've watched 77 this year, but most of them are old.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I heard they ever watch any current movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, let's get into this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Show tonight was Excalibur, Kaz, and Tony Shavani.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were at the Messianic Temple in Detroit or something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: No surprises on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: People were expecting some free agents, definitely the Motor City Machine Guns, and they're going to be on collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they were going to make this, I thought they were going to make the save in that main event segment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it would have been perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: But no.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they opened the show with highlights of the post-match angle from Sunday, mixed in that we talked about earlier with footage of the death writers watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Mox is like watching like a fan and he's like, come on, we'll take him out, take him out, get him before he gets you.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then he got him and then mocks says he's the shark at the top of the food chain.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not your friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're trying to eradicate him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I gave you everything I could give you and to get it before it got you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not over yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: You may he may be the best rest on the world and now he's got nothing to lose and will obviously is truly on death's ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: So at this point, I was confused.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know what this, you know, all this needed was them just kind of giving knowing looks to each other like see told you, yeah, hmm, yeah, no Claudio either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think right.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he was.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of gave way that this actually wasn't filmed on Monday, but whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then they cut to Renee, she's outside and Will walks in and they're talking and you can barely hear them because the wind's blowing and the sound's not that good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he said I did catch that he said he wasn't going to answer any questions and then as he's walking in he runs into the deathwriters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mox gets face to face with them and before either one of them could say anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tanya Garcia jumps in his face it's a young boy hilly and will just freaking levels in with a hidden blade I need this to be a bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, this is my favorite thing since since Max Caster got punch here's where I want the flash finish on because they're wrestling on collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we lost my Danny Garcia that this has got to be a hidden plate matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I need this to be a mislike squash.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think people know what I mean by that, but I need Garcia to go give me the mic
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, oh yeah, and then and then Pock on in his face and Pock just look like a maniac to He's grown his hair out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and then he says are you and then and then boxes are you sure you want to do that and then
[SPEAKER_00]: and then will says you don't get to pull the trigger for me gives him back his patch and he says I'm out and Wheeler takes the patch and then hey, what box says is that so when it looks like you got it all figured out then he lives Garcia up will staring a hole through Pock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess they're going to have a match in probably and then and then we'll walk away and he runs in the hangman of all people and and the crowd Pock.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's possible quick before we get to
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and you can give knowing looks in whatever, but boy wouldn't have been so if Pack is just staring that same fire through moxley And moxley is just look I know you told me I know or what okay Garcia starts talking somebody just tells him to shut up immediately Yeah, and we get that same kind of dynamic in this before we get to that man and get to that that segment I don't know if that would work but I do like I would have liked fewer words from moxley Let's put it that way so let's get to hang man.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is interesting
[SPEAKER_00]: So hangman says, I was gonna give you heat for working with those guys, but you know, really, I just wanna catch up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what it's like to be in your shoes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was there last year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it was impossible to do it alone, but you wouldn't let me feel like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't wanna let you feel like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I won't stick my nose in your business.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that the world title isn't set my focus done, but if you need anything, let me know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Will says, well, I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The United Empire mad at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Death writers are breathing down my neck.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't trust Kenny and quite honestly, I can't trust you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate it, but I got to do this on my own.
[SPEAKER_00]: and hangments says, I know the look on your face.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're one of the best I've ever been the ring with.
[SPEAKER_00]: The deciding factor isn't whether or not they believe in you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's whether you believe it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to walk into Wembley and you're going to be the best you've ever been.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Wilson, thanks mate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he walks away and hangman, hangman's got this look like he is just
[SPEAKER_00]: it's like the way to the world has been lifted off his shoulders and I almost feel like like the whole like thing about not being able to challenge for the world title is like a rock that's been lifted from the way baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can just go out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can just do and I wouldn't mind that as a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But boy.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he came in, all happy and stuff, I'm just like, oh, please let this be disingenuous in a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it might be eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's one of those things where I think given where he's positioned in the card, he's going to be
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be that guy to help elevate midcard a little bit in terms of multi-person tax because I think we're working at on a six man with him and Brudito versus yeah, yeah, the band which is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're going to probably squash lethal twist on collision and then maybe get a title match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is the most interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've found Hangman and something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you caught on the like you caught on the thing where he just looks like a different guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he looks free.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gotten his hair cut.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't look like he's tired.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like he's dropped a few pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looks.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he looks great and I was just saying, Oh, what this be funny if this is the pre-cursion of him and Swerve coming in and killing and it's not just his look, but his like voice and his demeanor is confident doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a it's not the
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it the uns, when they used to call them the Millennial Cowboys?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the Millennial Cowboys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but they sent to them before that, which may have seemed like he was manically depressed or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, the by polar.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's by polar Millennial Cowboys or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like, yeah, I don't want to, yes, I don't want to see your weakness.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see you being happy and thriving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's do that here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's just going to be the guy that goes in there and helps out all the baby phases when they need help and, you know, and then yeah eventually.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's, uh, if we get hangmen and swear of as the killers, we thought we're getting the release, you know, I mean, that would be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we're going to get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be an interesting swear.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just keep on doing this as long as you don't give in that he's playing it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing now because it's like, that was realistic and I loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like if he starts being too happy, you're just going to up, he'll turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, this was very realistic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's not a good enough actor to pull that off, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we opened with Andrade Ali to load defending is nearly one national title against, now get ready for these names, Jack Perry and Nick Wayne.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now credit to, I actually I thought of Hangman is the new sting side swipe.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was thinking about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now credit to side swipe, because he pointed this out in the discord.
[SPEAKER_00]: Both these guys just lost matches, I matched to qualify for a title shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And here they are getting a title shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: in addition to lower title though is it are is one of these titles lower than the other one and only that but commander got a title shot later and he was in that match and that is definitely a higher title yes so yeah I don't know it makes no sense no but they had a banger
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, I wrote down a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not much to say I saw I think either the third or fourth Eddie grow tribute spot that got one of the bigger pops of the night like 20 years after he died Eddie Guerrero is like the most overguy in either company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Mexican wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to say Ray or Eddie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't draw it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did all his signature spots.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did the trend key along the ropes.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does selfie pose.
[SPEAKER_00]: They announced during this match that they're going to be doing the casino gauntlet at all in and the winner will get a world title match.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that that's pertinent for later.
[SPEAKER_00]: they went through a break when they came back from the break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Take your pants off was being chanted by the crowd.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our friend, Mel from the Harbombshells, may or may not have started that chance.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is taking credit for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was doing that pre-show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: and that was just to a husband.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they did a cool spot where Perry hit on Droughty with a Rana outside the ring and then Wayne took up Perry with the DDT from the apron.
[SPEAKER_00]: They chanted holy shit and then this is awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wayne hit a prodigy plex for two parry and Wayne were beaten a crap out of each other with four arms and a drawty comes in and just slap them both out close on them down Wayne catapulted into parry who did a DDT on a drawty so just doing a bunch of like double and triple team spots like all through the thing and eventually Wayne hit a Phoenix splash on a drawty but parry broke up the pin he was acting like he might have tweaked his knee on drawty hit his spinning elbow for two to take out parry
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it's good match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul, I'll add to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember a couple of weeks ago in Jack Perry Said he wanted open challenge for collision.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember who answered that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, open check.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Wayne.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes These guys don't need reps Nick Nick Wayne and Jack Perry need personality to become bigger stars I get it
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Tony's method of, hey, go out there and have a banger and the crowd will like you and then they'll go, he's a really good wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm just like, I want stars.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is my theme of the night, because they're not even, it's not even the biggest culprit.
[SPEAKER_00]: What, and I mean, somebody asks this in the discord today too is, where's mama Wayne?
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's mama Wayne?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and then it was like, so somebody else answered and said, oh, he's moved on from her.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, to what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but I mean, they didn't address it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the funny thing is, remember a couple weeks ago when TSN aired a promo for CanoMega challenging for the World Title at Redemption, you know, and it was quickly taken down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, today, I was on the TSN page in reading the Dynamite Preview and they had on Draw Day, defending his national title against Jack Perry and Nick Wayne with Mother Wayne.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and in the preview it talked about mother Wayne and everything and he recently returned from Japan and you know, and they have a stable their uncaged and like the to write her the same clearly follows a w just not close enough to know that mama Wayne hasn't been in with Nick's corner for a while, which I can't play them because he's hardly ever on dynamite.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this was first time in my matches, wasn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe so, I think you're correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and dynamite is the only a W show that airs on TSN.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if this guy is only watching dynamite, how would he know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Nick Wayne.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like Jack Perry, but this is the point in their careers where they should be doing more to show that they can.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and even if they just wanted Perry to have a do a promo and say, hey, you know what, and they've been doing promos with Jack Perry occasionally, it's just I like I hate that on collision road road trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Lucha and stuff and I think it's going to end up with Wayne and Perry probably be in the tag team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're wrong with that if they're doing a good team.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they can get a manager and a double team move.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So after the match, Tony Shabani's in the ring to interview on Draw Day, he asked him how he feels.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, how I feel?
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel Trent Kilo, the crowd popped for that and he says, you know why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I just screwed M.J.F.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just screwed Don Callis.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I can't find anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will be the best national champion anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Shabani Asim about becoming a W. World Champion and he tells him at all in London, we're going to have a casino gauntlet match at all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next week, there's going to be a qualifying match in your hometown of Mexico for the number one position and is that something you would like?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he smiles and he says, Tony, I have one question.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course he pauses and lets the fans chant it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he says, how you know, it's it's, you know, it's becoming a parody of itself, but it's over.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is, and it's overplayed, but it's nice that he's found something to get him over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I like, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's found a lot of things to get him over.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he makes sure to get all the shit in.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's his WWE training, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you get, and you get merch.
[SPEAKER_01]: to get your catchphrase over to.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is one thing he picked up from his training in NXT in WWE is how to get yourself over and it's working so good for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he gets the most out of the least from anybody that gets pushed in a W in my case.
[SPEAKER_00]: Other than maybe Orange Cassidy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a different story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got a brawling bird's interview and I think they were confused about whatever match they're going to be having on collision because they challenged two of any two of three members of the MIT, which again, you know, I don't think a lot of people know even who the MIT are, but it is Athena's crew and then she said an ass from Megan and Lena buckle up your ball up your knuckles because it's time to brawl or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't catch everything they said.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need some titles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's might have been change when they found out that the Japanese wrestler was available like the show and that's why they announced a six-point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it took a little heat online because they said, this isn't all elite talking and I go at, yeah, I know, who's working on that right now, by the way, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: it was fine that their promo last week was better.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we all know this match is coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got Renee with the cows family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Fletcher said, you know, she asked them, you know, about all the tough losses they suffered and cows.
[SPEAKER_00]: First one taught me, he says, well, I didn't lose my matches last Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I retained without anyone else's help.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm well on my way to becoming the greatest international champion of all time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don Calis says, yeah, if we took some losses, but that's part of the wrestling business.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, Mark Davis is angry than I've ever seen him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Knight, sometimes we all need family, sky's limit for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, Don, I appreciate that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't feel good to lose, but it feels great that I went toe to toe with the greatest in the main event and proved that I'm a future paper-view main eventer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm gonna take a step back and appreciate the little things.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, this was terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to come in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hated hate hate hate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want him to be mad be upset number one You didn't go toe to toe with Kenny.
[SPEAKER_01]: He built your ass and I think I think I think I think Fletcher should have said it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Fletcher says it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what he beat your ass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stop it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, this was, this was, how do I put this?
[SPEAKER_01]: This was ring of honor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ask real bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I like I'm honoring the code of honor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a great fight and good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a heal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be angry, be frustrated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Say, I'm on my way back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do what it takes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll kill you next time, Kenny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, just, yeah, this was two
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you recall back to if you recall back to a year ago when Carl Fletcher was in the same position as hangman He was pissed that he lost and he vowed to become the world champion at some point in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: I learned a valuable lesson about friendship by fighting Kiddy Omega shut up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to get it wrestling
[SPEAKER_00]: So then he says, at least I'm still the TNT champion and he looks at Kyle and he says next week, I hope you can say the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: You and speedball are tied in singles action.
[SPEAKER_00]: We both know one step and there's going to be some trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Kyle's pissed at him and he says focus on keeping your own title.
[SPEAKER_00]: This championship will never leave the family as he's saying that alcada just wanders in and he says, yeah, Kyle's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: The international title will stay in the family.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you haven't figured it out yet, there's going to be a three way at the paper view, and it's Ocata, Fletcher, and Takeshita when he gets there.
[SPEAKER_01]: All for Don, Calis's love on a pole.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that, and that, and a screwdriver.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and a screwdriver, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... then we got a match that apparently might have been a standby match and actually given the thirty-five minute overrun we had probably wasn't needed but we got it anyways uh... it was call fletcher brine cage and jake doil against brodito the standby kings
[SPEAKER_00]: And actually our friend A.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rocks I think is is is a YouTube handle called this they he's renamed the team they're now called standito Stand by team
[SPEAKER_00]: And they team with Mike Bailey.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, it was good that they put this match on here because we're getting Kyle Fletcher and Bandito next week in Mexico.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you kind of figured Bandito was going to pin one of the Kyle's family members.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of figured it probably shouldn't be Kyle Fletcher again this week because he just got pinned last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't so good for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they had,
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, like it was a really good match, but I think they probably could have had a better match in them, but they weren't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were all like Fletcher and Bandito in particular.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're probably still a little banged up from Sunday, and Bailey was, you know, maybe as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrestled on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had that lot of match, but they, I mean, they had a great match.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did a lot of cool stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, there was another tribute to Eddie in this one when, uh, Bandito did the Eddie frog splash and deal the shimmy thing that Eddie used to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and, uh, Brody, Brody did some spots with Mark Doyle and Brian Cage where the fans were chanting meat.
[SPEAKER_00]: and i thought they should have kept going with that because the crowd loved it and i mean it's easy but the brodi at his match now he was gonna do and that was that uh there so near the end of the match bandita was going for his 21 plaques and he's brought it to run into it and Doyle just shows up on a nowhere hit someone that elbow and mid strike
[SPEAKER_00]: then Bailey did a blind tag, did the jumping, double-need thing in the corner, and then he rolled up Doyle and stacked them for the win.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a million other spots.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wrote a lot of it down, but I just don't really feel the need to repeat it all here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was more angry at the commentary about this because it was, it was Tony, Tony, when
[SPEAKER_01]: TNT Tony from Nitro when Mike Bailey beat Jake Doyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is on a hot streak.
[SPEAKER_01]: He beat Jake Doyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know who else beats Jake Doyle?
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the gatekeeper of the Don Calsfeldt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I will get you on that because if you recall a couple of weeks ago, he had to beat Jake Doyle to get a national title shot and he lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he get on his way back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, God, that makes it even worse, dude.
[SPEAKER_00]: And and you know what makes that even worse?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't Jake Doyle on the match last week when the pin.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just Sarah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it was it was Doyle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Caged at Chaserro and they decided to pin it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What can't break, Caged take these losses.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the last few weeks, they've kind of had Chaserro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the CMLL Heavyweight Champion?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They pin Persephone tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the CMLL Women's Champion?
[SPEAKER_00]: And wasn't there another champion they beat last week too?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they beat the the the the the the the the startup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the startup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the startup six woman tags.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, honey is a great partner.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, you know, just this is little details.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got, okay, I'm really interested to see what you thought about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a silly you hated it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the sit down with Renee with Kate with Coke cage in the box.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd be correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just didn't seem like you're, you're, uh, kettle of fish.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was this was.
[SPEAKER_01]: So God, just go through it and then I'll do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Renee says we throw around the term dream match a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does this mean to you?
[SPEAKER_00]: And Matt did most of the talking here.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, well, I'm kind of anxious thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're bringing our kids, our wives are coming with us.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think this match would ever happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an honor to be in this match with you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: You revolutionize tag team wrestling and, you know, I kind of feel like we did the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: and then Edge says, no, you didn't kind of.
[SPEAKER_00]: You did.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're looking forward to it too.
[SPEAKER_00]: We never thought it would happen either.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's mutual respect.
[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate everything you guys did to keep tag team wrestling for a live for a long time tag wrestling has been shoved to the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then teams like you, FTR us.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... made sure that wasn't the case so it'll be a pleasure and an honor to go to get in there with you and christian says hold on a second you asked what it means to us we didn't come back here to do a greatest hits tour now that we're the a w champions uh... we want to prove that we're the great greatest tag team of not just our generation but your generation as well oh and by the way it's good to know your wives are coming yet do you just have to get that in
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Bucks are back talking and he says, well, for us, this is the legacy.
[SPEAKER_00]: YouTube guys are made men.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is two separate careers for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: But our legacies are still being worked on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if we win those titles again, we become the most decorated tag team in AWS history.
[SPEAKER_00]: We spent two years trying to get them back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We got all the way to rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: We lost our VP status and we climbed all the way back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we failed in front of our family in LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: You guys know, you were there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And and it says, yeah, well, you talk about loss between the two of us, we lost our careers for 17 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't won a tag team title in 25 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a quarter century.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand what you guys are saying, but please, let's not play the comparison game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then bucks are back because it's, I love you guys, your legends, you've done it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: enough, but nothing's going to come in the way of winning those titles for the fourth time.
[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't going to be Kobe scoring 60 points in one of his last games.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're coming at you faster and harder and stronger than in any match in our whole career.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Edge says, sounds to me like you're trying to talk yourself into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be different when you're in Wembley, staring across the ring from your heroes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Are you going to be able to lift your games to another level like we've always done?
[SPEAKER_00]: To be the greatest, we've got to beat you, and that's what we've always done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Renee says, why does it mean more to retain against the books?
[SPEAKER_00]: And they say, and she says, well, we're doubted at this stage.
[SPEAKER_00]: Despite all the work we put in, the paper used we created, we're still doubted, but not by us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the buck said, our entire career has been us with a chip on your shoulder.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're too small, you're too tiny, too many superkicks.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have a machine behind you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're bigger, you're taller and you're more experienced.
[SPEAKER_00]: But damn it, we're the young bucks, and we've been doing this a long time too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Renee just kind of wrapped it up, and that was that.
[SPEAKER_00]: it was just very polite and I probably put more motion into it than they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Christian being passive aggressive saved this a little bit in terms of any entertainment value but this this was not the way to build this match to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just it's too meta.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's too soon like the sit down between these two teams needs to be late.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can do like, here's what I would have done if we're going to do it this style.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shoulda Renee does a sit down with a box.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we get that side of it one week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next week, we get the Christian and Cope side of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to sit down so that they're not interacting with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what this match means to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they could personalize it a little bit better, I think there's too much of the legacy and here's our, this was a resume promo.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just didn't think.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, are there people here watching not aware of the resumes of these two teams?
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is a lot like Kenny and Osprey.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need the resumes and I don't need heat necessarily.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just their presence going up against each other is enough anticipation.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we decide to add FTR and daybreak, which I think is going to be the name of that team.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're going to be disappointed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like, yeah, I was like, okay, this is this is stilted and it's dumb and it reminds us that Christian and Copa are old That was also something that it's like, hey, we were out on injury a total of 25 years or whatever you're just like my god
[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't won tag team titles in 25 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, no, with it, though, they had 17 years of injury.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and 25 years between tag team titles, which on one hand is impressive.
[SPEAKER_00]: But on the other hand, it's like, OK.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking like, if we're, if we're watching wrestling in 1986, you're talking about a tag team from 1961.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like the sharp brothers, not Iron Mike, but like his dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just keeping the K-Faib world and this wasn't in the K-Faib world.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was literally like Adam Copeland looking at Edge and Christian and talking about their resume and stuff as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're old dogs, but we have new tricks or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it did nothing for me this segment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and and and and you're right, it is too soon, just like, you know, as great as the will segment was and we'll get to it and it's great as the main event segment was and we'll get to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these were segments that man would I love to see on the last on the last show before Wemley and not this one because we know what the last show before Wemley is going to be a bunch of bangers.
[SPEAKER_00]: because there are a lot of promos with half of them not even being on the couch.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how do you how do you increase from this you know like from the where they got this week on the on the two world title things how do you add to that like I feel like you can ever do if we're doing Kenny turning Hill we're turning the buck see you with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but they sure didn't act like that tonight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did they?
[SPEAKER_00]: They are more the baby's face.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the slow build.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they didn't even hint at being a be a hero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whereas I mean, if anything, Edgend Christian did or Christian anyways, which is why you need the two teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are good notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got Persephone in my world and God bless them, but I mean, the crowd, I mean, they will this match into being whatever it ended up being.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were, this is the first time anybody's been into my essence, like, I think that San Jose show when she beat Athena and or, you know, I guess once we almost beat Mercedes, like they were kind of into her in that show, do you like the paper view?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and Persephone was kind of acting like a dick through a lot of it and by the end, I think she's a heel now.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's been a heel.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was heeling that four way when there was, Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, because remember when she turned, she turned on Statlander and her partner in that match clearly I don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it was her.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was Persephone, stat, sheeta, and the Australian with the guitar and the puppet, and I can't remember her name all of a sudden.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hardly.
[SPEAKER_00]: and she turned on Harley put the big ale eventually flipped on and she was doing the out tonight too okay yeah good call good call well anyways they they had a match and you know they did a bunch of stuff for Stephanie hit a German for two then she started arguing with the rough and they actually had to cut out the sounds I just must have swarder and and she was threatening her and then Maya did the
[SPEAKER_00]: RVD moonsault, but um, kind of mister hit her in the head.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then like again, I'll credit to I think it was Jason mentioned in the in the discord, like is she supposed to do it that way and or is this just she keeps fucking it up?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure which, but uh, the way she lands, she like lands right on the person's face.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then how far she just showed up, tossed the candlestick into the ring,
[SPEAKER_00]: And Persephany was about to use it and then Chris Stattlander showed up, pulled a stick away, then Maya used the distraction and hit her superex, got the win, and then Statt got in the ring and raised Maya's hand and she's just acting like a goof.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's like sticking her tongue out at Persephany.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was waiting for the turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I think Stattlander is a
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like she's just in, I don't give a fuck mode at this.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's been in there for six months.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want me to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: OK. All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony's trying to get up by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't just keep on throwing her out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that the Willow segment was there and the celebration thing that could have waited.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maya didn't need a match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maya needs to be built as a personality as a champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: She needed the celebration in some way.
[SPEAKER_01]: She needed a promo.
[SPEAKER_01]: She needs, she didn't need a match because she is, it's not that she's a bad wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's a sporadically spotty wrestler.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Tony thinks the way to get her over to go out there and have a banger, I'm here to tell you, that's not exactly how Willow got over here.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Willow got over on her personality.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, get over on their personalities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Show my as personality and see what you have with her as your secondary champ because all this is screaming to me is transitional midcard champ to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because by
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there's too many people involved in this story when the focus needs to be on Maya and see what you have even if you don't think you have that much right and and I don't you made her the champion on Sunday for the day did they make her the champion because her brother died and because it was her birthday on Sunday like No, they made her the chip because everybody expected her to beat Athena for the ring of honor title and I still think that might happen actually they got a paper view in a couple weeks
[SPEAKER_00]: And I watch Ring of Honor.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no other match for Athena right now, but hey, instead of like look, I liked the video segments going into both the Mercedes match and the sheet of match.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were edited.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do something a little bit more long form with Maya.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get to know Maya a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even have high-end cut-up promo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why she likes teaming with her friend Maya?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what we have with her as your midcard champion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's something here, and even if we're not giving her a heavy push on this one, and we're beating her at Wembley.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't say if something for later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if there you are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it would be on Wembley.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not sure either.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think she'll keep the title, but I'm not sure she'll be defending it when Wembley is one of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, look, if somebody's getting one of those, I know they're doing a casino gauntlet for the men, but if you're going to have like a six person cluster, it's going to be for that secondary women's style to get people on this card.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's your field like we're building a four-way, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels like we're building a four way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hell, let's make a six way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get any soccer on there because you always want to play a Wembley.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've met that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got Mark Davis promo.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said this last Sunday, I suffered a public and personal embarrassment.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm now 10 pounds later.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he's referring to the belt that he lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm furious.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that brings me to you, Mr. number one contender.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll all spray.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're one in one this year, but you know as well as I do your victory over Over me comes by way of death writer interference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well now you got no cool kids to sit with So I'm gonna leave the Don Cow's family at home You and I are gonna meet next week at Grandside Mexico and I'll leave you broken in Mexico And it was a good promo and you know, they've had two matches that were both great.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the fine match for next week
[SPEAKER_01]: Two things about three things one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love trucker mark Davis.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am enjoying this look in this gimmick
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little embarrassed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here he goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 10 pounds lighter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go, yeah, you look really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because of the belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's not Yeah I'm 10 pounds right and third Okay, congrats.
[SPEAKER_00]: I lost my belt, dude You push pal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are you leaving the dog and cows family at home?
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a heal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bring him because they don't have passports
[SPEAKER_01]: We're having these issues with colonel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do all the doctors?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're a unit.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we can't stand each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't stand when they're out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't stand help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we like the loose affiliation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have a great dental plan or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, then we got, uh, oh, before the next segment, we got Chompi showing up behind the commentators because it's Shark Week and they did a promo.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, as opposed to like, when they used to do like matches dedicated to Shark Week, now it was just some goofy mascot standing beside the announcers for 10 seconds.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think I forgot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Shark Boy was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was waiting for something.
[SPEAKER_01]: every year we're waiting for Sharkway and I don't know but but they had them on their social media he was really oh well yes so I'm thinking they're doing some of them for collision but I'm just like maybe oh cool I think I think the jokes probably gonna be that Sharkway is under choppy but they must sell yeah uh
[SPEAKER_00]: So Renee's in the ring and she calls out Willow and she comes down and all the streamers hit and they got a lot of streamers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And before she can get anything going the fans chant you deserve it and Willow is legit choked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Renee calls her the first women's triple crown winner in a w what does this mean to you and she again she's having a hard time holding back the tears like she says you guys are all far too kind really the crowd is just going nuts they give it her standing ovation and she is overwhelmed she says really thank you she says this this is this is really surreal
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's the type of thing that people dream about, but I'm not just living age dream, I'm living my dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so grateful for you guys being with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's been doubters all along the way, crowd booze that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, not everyone has looked at a girl like me, you know, make it out what you will, enthusiastic, weird, chubby.
[SPEAKER_00]: They'll look at a girl like me and think it's never going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this past year, I made you guys apparently very happy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and they start cheering again and she starts crying.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's guys guys are makeup artists.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're really hard on my makeup.
[SPEAKER_00]: Please She's in this past year.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've become half of our first ever tag team champions I went on to beat Mercedes Monai for the TBS title and then I got hurt Crowd booze and she says yeah boo But it all came crashing down.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was tough and it took me to a pretty dark place, but you know who pulled me out of that?
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was going to say the fans, but no, my good old mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to do that way when we thought that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: You people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good old mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, mom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give it up for Jill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good old Jill.
[SPEAKER_00]: She looks at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: She calls me warrior princess.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, well, you got two options.
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay down or fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the crowds chanting warrior princess and willow feeds off that shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I did what the warrior princess will do and I fought to get in Lexino, gauntlet.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I fought a dangerous toxic champion in Tecla.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I could win this bad boy right here.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I love all the love you guys are giving me.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is all for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: If life has been kicking you around, don't you dare give up, don't do it, keep fighting, keep pushing through because sometimes a comeback is even better than the dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God, what a proble.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mercedes music interrupts the crowd booser.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's getting nuclear heat, and she's carrying a contractor, something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's wearing her TBS belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she walks in the ring.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like tripping over these steamers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, Willow, I didn't come out here to ruin your celebration.
[SPEAKER_00]: I came out for business.
[SPEAKER_00]: So sign this damn contract for all in right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Willow grabs it, puts it on Mercedes chess signs it right away, Mercedes threw it back in her face.
[SPEAKER_00]: They start yelling each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mercedes says it's official for that AW World Championship.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Willow Nightingale versus Mercedes Monet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, ladies, and Willow's not done.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says Mercedes, what's your problem?
[SPEAKER_00]: For five seconds, people didn't give you all the attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: or your angry because you remember that I beat you after your 584 day rain is TBS champion.
[SPEAKER_00]: It could be that but I think it's because I have the one championship that you just can't get.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Mercedes, she sinks at all inches.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it is?
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate about you Willow.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just your stupid smile or it's not the fact that all these people love and adore you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fact that
[SPEAKER_00]: Every milestone I got somehow, somehow your name is written all over my story.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I got hurt, my career stopped, these people celebrated you.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I fought my way back and I chose A.W.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had to go through you.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I mean Mercedes became the greatest TBS champion, guess who took that away for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, Willow.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now here you are holding the one thing that I'm destined to hold that AW women's title.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know how that makes me feel?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fans are chatting shut the fuck up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, every defining moment of my career, you're smiling and I got to pick up the pieces.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know how that feels?
[SPEAKER_00]: And she actually stops and tells the fans, I'm not going to shut the hell up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she says, at all in, I'm going to finally end your little fairy tale because will
[SPEAKER_00]: you would be nothing without me.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only reason these people cheer you is because you're standing across from Mercedes money.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want you to admit something admit, I made you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I gave you the greatest moment of your entire career.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what all in Willow, I'm not just going to take that title.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take that damn smile off your face, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Willis, as I made history, honey, you want to talk about destiny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I became the first ever triple crown champion Mercedes, like at my expense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Divide the Minutes shows up.
[SPEAKER_00]: As Giatak, or Willis, starts to fight them all off.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Mercedes took out her knee.
[SPEAKER_00]: They gave her a double choke slime or Sadie's pose with the belt, and the brawling birds made the save and Mercedes in her crew bailed.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was great as Jason pointed out earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was maybe a little bit too early, but it was awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Willow has a few weeks ago through each of divine dominion, true, true, but I'm just saying like if this promo had been like a week before Wembley like oh my god, but yeah, but then one would be a celebration of her title either true true and also she'd have to win if that was the promo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's winning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's winning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk about this because I think I think when Mercedes finally wins the title, it's going to be as a baby face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too, but I don't see how you get her to be a baby face, because there aren't strong enough heels to match her.
[SPEAKER_01]: She is the strongest personality in this division, other than Willow, Tecla, Tecla's great, but Tecla's smaller than Mercedes, which is saying something, because Mercedes is tiny.
[SPEAKER_00]: In-salt Mercedes and smaller than Willow?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she's also a heal in this program.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a baby face.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what I'm tech low would be a heal against Mercedes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but she'd be the smaller heel against Mercedes is, okay, it's the same, it's the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think eventually she could be a baby face and she, I do too, I have it, but you know, I have my, maybe it would be Megan Bane, like I don't know, you know, like, well, see, that's what I was saying is I was thinking Mercedes wins the title here and then they do the kill story over again, but this time with Megan and Megan, someone who,
[SPEAKER_00]: eventually like six months or so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still have that crazy feeling that this is Alexander saying there's no more.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no more things to conquer and that she loses it all in and she leaves the company.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's it's why no and and that's part of what's going into my thinking too, because everyone just is assuming Bailey has gone from WWE and show up at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were mentioned to watch this week on Raw.
[SPEAKER_01]: She just showed up on a house show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that that doesn't mean anything because that was San Jose, but they mentioned her on Raw a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I, I think she may every sign.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, they don't have 90 day non-competes, but I think you can negotiate a 90 day non-competent survivor series as 90 days after all and that's you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know when her contract is up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't either and she had an injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think deals can be made, but it's one of those things where it's like, hey, Tony, I've been here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to every other company as a champion for you guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've done this.
[SPEAKER_01]: My last act will be putting over Willow as your big star because it's one of those things where it's like her competitiveness and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: She can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Elevate AEW's women's division to the points where it's the most important draw on the thing because of Circumstances beyond or control, so if Tony hadn't got pregnant, they might have gotten there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I'm assuming, I don't know this for sure, but everyone knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was assuming that that was a plan, but it's like one of those things where it's like, well, you can rebuild me as the baby face and finally crown me.
[SPEAKER_01]: but does she have competition there and to other than Tecla in terms of, hey, I'm gonna put on these bangers with Mercedes as the baby face.
[SPEAKER_00]: There could be people coming in, might get out of the fire coming in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Albo would be great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Albo so good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Kyrie would be good, but I don't think Kyrie could play heal against her necessarily, but she could.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's actually not a, she's not a great heal, but Kyrie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's just interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just snowball spitballing here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just one of those things where I'm going, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Mercedes needs to win the world women's world title and this is what the second time she's gone after it and lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, it's one of those things where I'm like, yeah, third time's a charm, but can you get the energy back where people want it like badly as her as a baby face?
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's such a big star.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's weird to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love Mercedes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's my favorite wrestler in AEW to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, I'll vamp for a while because Paul would frozen and I thought it was me that had lost Paul, all right, the clock is still running, we'll see if Paul will come back, he has the rundown unfortunately and he has left
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at the comments.
[SPEAKER_01]: Am I wrong on that, guys, do you think that we could eventually repackage Mercedes as the baby face?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it would be a heck of a run.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know if there's a strong enough heel lineup other than Bane necessarily to go up against Mercedes, to get to that point where we desperately want her to win that oral title.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, you know, I don't know what her motivations are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that chief love to work with Bailey again,
[SPEAKER_01]: knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to end this show, but I don't have a line up in front of me, so I'm kind of kind of mixed right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to talk to me in the chat here while I vamp.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, I mean, the the books.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's so many dream matches going on in this all end.
[SPEAKER_01]: That the, yeah, being in Lena where to turn on her to that might work and then she'll have giant store against, at least so you can bring Camille in for a one shot as someone from her past.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you have the main team this for like a year because I think it has to be a big card where she wins and I would think it would be all in again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can maintain that for a year necessarily.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could do it at, you know, other things, but it feels like the big card.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... well it's interesting because i was thinking that hangman would be doing the six man but it might be too late to i mean not too late but too early to run back hangman and mjf to get him you know to get his quote unquote stipulation broken i i know and also just depends on what mjf and how bad that injury is uh... i think mjf is gonna be on the card
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, on draw to NMGF would be fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the place to blow it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why they're playing up the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: That That makes outstanding sense to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I mean, that's where it should go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: On draw to NMGF.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to see if Paul was coming back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did, did, did, did, did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Paul's power went out.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, and again, so lights are flickering.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go to the F4W site, get a run down, and go through the rest of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go through the rest of this card.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so let's get the dynamite report up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do-do-do-do.
[SPEAKER_01]: A-w dynamite results, do-do-do.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is phenomenal audio, but I'm doing my best.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, so Mercedes cuts off.
[SPEAKER_01]: both ladies getting each other's face, divine dominion appears.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, brawn birds hit the bring and they make the save.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, for some reason, we have to do this now.
[SPEAKER_01]: John Moxley versus Commander for the A-W-Cutton little championship and...
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to be honest, I was angry at this match, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was live it because the character work that they're doing is that Moxley should be incensed at what happened after redemption.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should be on a rampage beyond us with you, if not pun, not intended.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going around.
[SPEAKER_01]: And instead of this just being a murder death,
[SPEAKER_01]: which is what it should have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go a good 10 minutes, this match with Commander, who is fine, but there's someone you can sacrifice here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sacrifice someone and do character work in this place, it's having,
[SPEAKER_01]: Moxley do a banger, and yeah, far slower pace to start than you'd expect is what FW says.
[SPEAKER_01]: Command and try to show their tackle bounces off Moxley, like a brick wall, Moxley ducks a springboard, took a Kezadora small package for a near fall,
[SPEAKER_01]: Diving arm drag off the top connects and Moxley is up and just chops him.
[SPEAKER_01]: This spot was ridiculous because he's kind of doing the weird wobbly thing, as opposed to, hey, just no soda and beat the crap out of Commander.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, we can go through a commercial and Moxley regains control, Commander tries to get the battle back, but Moxley continues to pick him apart.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a slow methodical deconstruction of Commander when what we did was a moxley squash right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, Commander doesn't waste much time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He hits a 450, hits this rope walk spaceman dive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Commander does all the hits and then moxley beats him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That that's what happens here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, and I know mox likes to do this for people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just like this is not the time nor place right now to do this and plus it goes into Paul and I is complaining about the length of this show because after this matches when we get the six bat for the trio's titles this starts at 656 on my clock it's like hell one is we still have the Kenny segment after this which they're pushing throughout this and this is okay
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's what we expect, you know, the conglomeration come out, they get the moves in, I did like Orange Cassidy stuff with the hands and the pockets and things like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go move from move because I really wasn't paying attention to this match, because I fully expected a title change here.
[SPEAKER_01]: one o' eye cuz cuz cuz cuz it was time for them to lose the titles and we couldn't do another title loss over on over on the paper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although on the paper, I did not talk about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd become more of a Blake Christian fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I adored that thing he did with Orange Cassidy's jacket and pretending to be him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's showing some personality.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, personality more important than work rate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So by the Hawkins rules,
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, I don't even think this should have been a run-in to be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this should have just been, they lose clean, but who knows, you know, take a shot on the outside and do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I did like the Blake Christian belt shot here, I think that demand would be interesting with six members in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's probably far too large of a stable.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know that they're setting up the lethal twist to be the sacrificial lambs to this new
[SPEAKER_01]: I like to the beat down afterwards and be honest with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I miss old school stomping, punch beat down.
[SPEAKER_01]: I much prefer that than doing moves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want this to be more for lack of air term realistic old school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you want to call it, cranky old guy screams at cloud that, you know, he just wants tougher wrestlers as most of the guys who do moves, but yeah, I like this beat down a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like the hangman brudito team.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that can be a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if if you, I like my comedy midcard at time to times.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, like, hangman and bandito taking Brody King cowboy outfit shopping would be a fun little vignette to bring in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know people, you know what I do that with guys like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, look, the time to, time to elevate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brody King was during the height of the F ice chance in southern California, and you didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're keeping him in the mid card, make him entertaining, you know, and the way to do that is have two cowboys go shopping with Brody King.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, I'm turning the corner on Blake Christian.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like them to show more of his personality because he obviously has some chops in that area.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do that, and I'm happy with the demand being six man tag team champs, even though I do think it's a transitional title to get them onto the baby faces eventually.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the demand is are fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I could do without all of them coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: and joining like a four-man commentary booth and looking like that scene from the original naked gun movie with all the baseball announcers uh... cutters ridiculous but the demand it's it's almost time four uh... it's almost time for con and and the gates agony to break off from ricochet and show what they can do it's a fun act ricochet is done
[SPEAKER_01]: Yoman's work on his personality and getting over as a main event heal, but it's almost time to break up that act, I think, naturally in some ways, and then, because Paul has left yet, I have to go through this main event segment and I took no notes, but I don't want to read that this is long from what they said, okay, so Kenny comes out wearing the suit, which is my first sign.
[SPEAKER_01]: that he's a heel champ.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Kenny starts doing the correct things about how to portray yourself as a world champion, I get worried because he's fought against that for so long with flip flops and towels and looking like he just got out of a shower when he was a baby face.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he comes out of the slick white suit, I go, oh god he's a heel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was a heal.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's complaining about the time when, I mean, he's complaining about when he's getting his neck put into the chair and he didn't have the energy to take off the chair and so he is accepting his fate and then he heard the people cheer and I was like, okay, at that moment, what I wanted was I wanted to say and then I heard your music hit.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I was waiting and I was waiting and I was waiting and I still have that chair over my neck will.
[SPEAKER_01]: What were you doing will?
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're beating off the death writers, but hey, how about you get this chair off my neck will?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I finally had the strength to take it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I liked that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I saw you with my belt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted him to say I saw you with that plastic bag.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sure you had ripped it in half, but that meant you held it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted you to get rid of it, yeah, freezing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I knew as soon as I said it, Jason, you don't need to get me on it for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna, it's like me getting on Shivani for your hometown of Mexico.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't dwell on it for too long because it was meant to good faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I'm I'm I'm on a tight rope without a net here and I'm struggling because I hate doing play by play I'm a color guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what I'm doing when I'm doing that and then then then will get angry Just like
[SPEAKER_01]: And I get that, but I'm just like, Kenny's kind of right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, Kenny was right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're holding the belt and you're holding the remnants of this plastic bag whereas you should have thrown this away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been conflicted and that was actually the point that Kevin Ely made in our discord, former host of shows on here.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things where it's like, well yeah, if you see well holding the plastic bag, you're gonna be mad at that and then you're gonna one-wing it angel him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, well if we're turning Kenny heel,
[SPEAKER_01]: you kind of don't want him to have a point you want to be a rational and I think that's where they got the whole uh it was a trap all along I was like that was a bridge too far for me in this explanation where he thought it was you set this whole thing up I was like well he saved you from the from the chair Kenny if it was a plan
[SPEAKER_01]: they would let you go through with a chair and then he would've choked you out with the plastic bag, you know, and that's where it got to Kenny Omega is an irrational, is an irrational conspiracy theorist about this whole will-osprey thing and you're just like, okay, no, I can't get that far into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Will's anger, it was, it was righteous, but it was also
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need we'll ask for you to be the underdog in a Kenny Omega match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the story of I can never pull the trigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can never I can never do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing as when he couldn't use the tiger driver 91.
[SPEAKER_01]: move because he was afraid of hurting someone's neck now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that might be the ending of this match where he find it but didn't he already pull that out chat didn't he already pull out the tiger driver in some way to win a match so he could prove he could win the big one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I've been confirmed.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're just replaying the story of Will Osprey.
[SPEAKER_01]: fighting against Will Osprey to see if he has killer instincts and win the big one again when we've already done that story again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just- this is one of those things and I think I'll probably- I'm gonna end the show after this right now because I don't think Paul's coming back and the power's gonna take a little bit of time, you know, third world country
[SPEAKER_01]: has made them both into jerks in their own ways, where it's like, well, okay, will you're feeling bad about yourself?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the other part that I was, again, I wasn't taking notes and if Paul had brought it up in the play by play, I would have gone over this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will say, why he liked being a deathwriter?
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll say I kind of liked it and they taught me so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like you just turned on them You don't why aren't you saying this to be a jerk to the guy who you're also accusing a being a jerk Just like it's no good guys here and we're turning them we're kind of like okay audience We know you want a root for both of them
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we also want to take sides on who was the most wrong here, as opposed to just let them cheer for guys who have entertained them with great matches for this long.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was almost baffled by this ending segment and look, the intensity from Will was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this, I enjoyed being a death writer, but
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I draw the light at Moxley's opinion, you know, it's, it's that, hey, I joined the gang to commit crime, but murder, murder, that was too far.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could rob the bank with this gang, but, and I saw that they were all buddy, buddy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, murder, that was a bridge too far.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, just like, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: like it kind of ruined it for me a little bit because I really want to and I'll admit there's some fantasy in booking in my head.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted Will to take a part of the death writers from within and say, you know, becoming more moral again, Kenny kind of, you know, slinks off heelish way, you know, giving him those knowing looks in the white suit and you're just like, okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, to me, the weakness of this match was that,
[SPEAKER_01]: wait I can't stop the show can I don't have control if that's going to be hard here I don't know what to do right now guys do I wait for Paul but yeah the weakness is both guys are jerks and i didn't know uh... what to do with that oh my god he's he came to his notes in in in in the in the chat and he's watching so i'm gonna say how do i stop the show Paul he can't be a piece of his notes
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but yeah, no, the problem with this build right now is that both guys are a little bit of a jerk.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sure, both can get redemption in some way and hug it out for the go home, but I don't know if that's going to make for interesting television or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be one of those things where if that's the plan and I don't think it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to go full on Kenny and the elite or kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're the day one guys who were here building this where we're you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to get that metastory again, from from the elite as, as knit mat and knick and Kenny both go in their full final form going in this match, but I think would just be better to say, hey, we're not going to make the audience choose, let's root for wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: And while I hate that normally, this would be the exception to the rule.
[SPEAKER_01]: and Paul is not seeing my mail.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna let the chat go, and I'm going to take a risk here and see if, and see if I can end the show this way, but yes, my name is Jeff Hawkins.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be doing a shake them ropes this week with Rob McCarran.
[SPEAKER_01]: This week will be,
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... previewing the two nights of summer slam i will not be watching at live i don't think i don't there are a few compelling stories in that i think uh... aldist and going through is compelling i think the main event of codey and punk is compelling but i think that's about it to be honest with you
[SPEAKER_01]: And then also just to give a quick plug to our side hustle here, Paul and I are part of a for some with a couple other friends, Dan LaQ, and Seb, we do a show called Music Nerds, live on the Music Nerds YouTube channel, formerly the Grandpa Dead's channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just for guys talking music this week.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... our homework was to listen to the fougies or or the miseducation of lorn hill and we're gonna discuss that that's going to be interesting john for you i took the uh... late seventies funk in addition to my rap i did uh... u t f o and i did the gap band and i did a uh... i did my i listen to the gap bands entire catalog so i think you'd be proud of me on that one i had some strong opinions i do like the gap band but
[SPEAKER_01]: They sometimes oversee their welcome, but that'll be Sunday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe at three Pacific six Eastern, probably during your summer slam viewing, if you're wrestling fan and watching this, if not, that's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for now, I am Jeff Hawkins, without Paul Fontaine, who is without power, good night.