WEBVTT 00:00.151 --> 00:09.634 [SPEAKER_03]: Speak softly, love, and hold me warm against your heart. 00:11.415 --> 00:15.436 [SPEAKER_02]: I hear your words, the tender dread. 00:15.476 --> 00:18.577 [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome, everyone, to Hollywood, Godfather podcast. 00:19.498 --> 00:21.858 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's great having you with us again. 00:22.579 --> 00:25.760 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm with my co-writer and friend, Pat Pichorelli. 00:30.775 --> 00:59.095 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, I'm practicing and when it took me eight seasons, I'm Lenny, I'm the who is the beauty amongst the two beasts here and we've been kicking around some old mob stories and history of the mob with some new stuff that's coming up and Pat brought my 01:00.264 --> 01:03.266 [SPEAKER_02]: to a post-auticle this week. 01:04.207 --> 01:07.990 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'll let him introduce him because it's really very funny. 01:09.932 --> 01:15.416 [SPEAKER_01]: For those of you who are familiar with the post, this is the New York Post famous for their headlines. 01:17.338 --> 01:19.880 [SPEAKER_01]: My favorite post-Headline was that there was a guy. 01:20.460 --> 01:28.086 [SPEAKER_01]: This was years ago, he was holding hostages in a bar in a topless bar after he attacked the owner, 01:30.015 --> 01:35.780 [SPEAKER_01]: So the headliner post was headless co-ops and topless bar. 01:38.423 --> 01:44.288 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, the just of this story was a post article came out a few days ago. 01:45.009 --> 01:55.378 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems that the elders of the five families is very concerned about passing the reins down to the new generation of monsters. 01:56.134 --> 02:02.756 [SPEAKER_01]: because they say that they're too attached to their technology and they don't come from the streets. 02:02.796 --> 02:14.678 [SPEAKER_01]: All these people come from Long Island or bedroom communities in New Jersey and they care about as their phones and technology and they're not street-toffin. 02:15.419 --> 02:20.920 [SPEAKER_01]: So the reporter who wrote this article was on to give two examples, 02:26.397 --> 02:30.501 [SPEAKER_01]: I think at what family he's in, I really doesn't make a difference. 02:31.101 --> 02:36.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, an alleged columnbow, particularly Ralph Demadio, 66 years old. 02:36.546 --> 02:51.640 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been on the lamb for a while and he's been staying hidden until his son and his infinite wisdom takes a picture of him relaxing poolside and Florida and posted on social media. 02:53.925 --> 02:56.986 [SPEAKER_01]: They used to say that he was in custody within 24 hours. 02:57.226 --> 02:58.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh. 02:58.406 --> 02:59.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Aw, where are this? 02:59.346 --> 03:08.688 [SPEAKER_01]: But any picture that appears on Facebook, Instagram, any social media, is time stamped and location stamp. 03:08.768 --> 03:10.188 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't see it on the picture. 03:10.248 --> 03:10.908 [SPEAKER_01]: It's embedded. 03:11.468 --> 03:12.909 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's very easy to pull up. 03:12.969 --> 03:15.209 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if I can do it, I mean, I kids can do this. 03:15.329 --> 03:17.149 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're a detective, though. 03:17.229 --> 03:18.149 [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't have to do that. 03:18.710 --> 03:19.330 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm sorry. 03:19.470 --> 03:21.110 [SPEAKER_01]: This is why I always tell my friends. 03:22.229 --> 03:48.780 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... not the post pictures of the kids on uh... on social media uh... because uh... anybody uh... and any uh... pedophile that's of the description knows how to pull this information up unfortunately so do the fed so they lack uh... rough uh... the material up and a couple days later uh... some other idiot uh... is involved in an extortion scheme 03:49.863 --> 03:58.827 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was threatening the guy who was going to extort cash from the person, but the guy didn't come up with the money. 03:58.907 --> 04:04.990 [SPEAKER_01]: So he taxed him and threatens his life if he doesn't come up with the extortion money. 04:07.251 --> 04:09.533 [SPEAKER_00]: On account of the young, this is a young kid who did this. 04:09.793 --> 04:18.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the new regime, the new generation of mobsters and this is like robbing a bank. 04:19.075 --> 04:22.057 [SPEAKER_01]: and then taking a picture of the money and posting it on Facebook with you. 04:22.117 --> 04:27.120 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, wouldn't they get some sort of advice from their elders not to do such a thing? 04:27.140 --> 04:29.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they probably wouldn't. 04:30.002 --> 04:32.184 [SPEAKER_01]: And they don't want to know anything about electronics. 04:32.204 --> 04:33.444 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't talk on phones. 04:33.985 --> 04:34.345 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 04:34.745 --> 04:36.867 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there'd be cell phones, landlines. 04:37.746 --> 04:41.609 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they don't want anything to do with technology because technology gets you in trouble. 04:42.029 --> 04:44.651 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're correct in saying they should have passed the word down. 04:45.231 --> 04:48.794 [SPEAKER_01]: Stay off your phones, but the point of the article is, these guys can't do it. 04:48.914 --> 04:50.355 [SPEAKER_01]: They just like anybody else. 04:50.415 --> 04:50.896 [SPEAKER_01]: That's similar. 04:50.916 --> 04:52.036 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just second nature. 04:52.056 --> 04:55.018 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like any sort of meeting car respondents. 04:55.439 --> 04:59.302 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything is all done over technology, which is all traceable. 04:59.602 --> 05:01.223 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know how it's going to be. 05:02.568 --> 05:05.409 [SPEAKER_00]: last or how people aren't going to get caught more often. 05:05.869 --> 05:07.190 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, the word is out. 05:07.210 --> 05:13.453 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's going to happen is it's going to be sanctions with these guys using the phone at all. 05:13.753 --> 05:16.434 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like they knew you can't deal in drugs. 05:17.574 --> 05:19.215 [SPEAKER_01]: Dict them by the mob. 05:19.695 --> 05:23.997 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't deal in drugs and now you can't talk on social media, period. 05:24.457 --> 05:26.018 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about, you know, when you're 05:32.103 --> 05:58.282 [SPEAKER_02]: It's got out, it's, it's, well that's why I mean, unfortunately I'm old enough to know when they, you know, used to walk and talk, come in and go to talk to you and then when you got to the club or any restaurant, you go take a walk with the guy and the Baltimore walking with their hands over their own mouths like they were picking their teeth with a toothpick which they used to simulate that anyway. 05:58.715 --> 06:01.736 [SPEAKER_02]: just so that the feds who were following them got no redillips. 06:02.156 --> 06:05.777 [SPEAKER_02]: Now these guys are giving them road maps to where they are. 06:05.797 --> 06:07.037 [SPEAKER_02]: That's so stupid. 06:07.097 --> 06:09.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Every eye has lip-readers. 06:09.698 --> 06:09.958 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 06:10.618 --> 06:16.740 [SPEAKER_01]: How many pictures have you seen with semi-the-bulb walking around the block on mobberry street with John Gotti? 06:17.140 --> 06:17.480 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah. 06:18.160 --> 06:24.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Either these guys are really into exercise or they just don't want to be picked up and you never see them with the hands away from the mouths. 06:25.002 --> 06:25.342 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 06:26.303 --> 06:27.603 [SPEAKER_01]: just to disguise what they're doing. 06:27.623 --> 06:31.824 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, this one's saying that that's a great example of the old regime. 06:32.484 --> 06:39.906 [SPEAKER_02]: And now, you imagine telling the kid leave the car and the phone and the car and shut it off and come and talk to me. 06:40.526 --> 06:41.286 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't talk. 06:41.486 --> 06:43.027 [SPEAKER_02]: They're on the phone to their texting. 06:43.107 --> 06:45.127 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know what's going to happen. 06:45.167 --> 06:45.787 [SPEAKER_01]: It's only two. 06:45.867 --> 06:49.008 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's going to get whack before they take it seriously. 06:50.128 --> 06:54.669 [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, but, you know, everything is filmed nowadays. 06:55.213 --> 07:01.197 [SPEAKER_00]: people are constantly videos, pictures, and everything's always posted to the public. 07:01.237 --> 07:04.399 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you think about TikTok, people post any video they've ever taken. 07:04.939 --> 07:09.502 [SPEAKER_00]: And somebody could just be in the background and not even know that they're on camera. 07:09.542 --> 07:11.243 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even like just the FBI's on. 07:11.303 --> 07:14.725 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like every camera out there could be pointed out. 07:14.745 --> 07:15.446 [SPEAKER_00]: And they don't even know. 07:15.466 --> 07:16.226 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 07:16.246 --> 07:18.207 [SPEAKER_01]: I know FBI agents. 07:19.445 --> 07:27.791 [SPEAKER_01]: who watch championship fights on the paper view for the sole purpose of not watching the fight, but watching who's watching the fight, ringside. 07:29.573 --> 07:35.497 [SPEAKER_01]: You get a lot of gangsters there, and some of them are fugitives, and there's plenty of people caught that way. 07:36.438 --> 07:36.738 [SPEAKER_02]: Funny. 07:37.359 --> 07:45.005 [SPEAKER_02]: But the topic of tonight's show is really interesting to me because when we get into it, 07:45.675 --> 07:52.938 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll add to it in the Labrador and the conversations I had by some of the players that we're gonna be talking about tonight. 07:53.338 --> 08:15.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I really, this was a big part of my grow up as a kid and with the same situation, getting the rules from the old God, like a Frank Costello or my Alanski or Tonya Cotto, these guys were so cautious. 08:16.287 --> 08:21.309 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why most people only knew me by the kid because there's no way even the final who the guy was. 08:22.530 --> 08:27.612 [SPEAKER_02]: But why don't you introduce what we're talking about tonight as our main topic? 08:28.433 --> 08:31.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're going to talk about Vino Genivese. 08:31.214 --> 08:39.278 [SPEAKER_01]: And since we've had a podcast, this name comes up every now and then we're going to be focusing on him because there's a lot of things people don't know except what they see in the movies. 08:40.218 --> 08:44.060 [SPEAKER_01]: And why he was such a force to be reckoned with. 08:45.258 --> 09:01.646 [SPEAKER_01]: It basically thought it was a guy named Harry Ann Slinger who was the boss of the Federal Bureau of Mechanics and Dangerous drugs, which was the precursor to the DEA, and after the Appalachian mob meeting, and we'll get into that in a second, because we don't know what that is. 09:02.447 --> 09:10.351 [SPEAKER_01]: He made it his crusade to talk at Vito Genovice, because Genovice didn't have any 09:14.990 --> 09:32.262 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Appalachian mob meeting, which took place in Appalachia, New York, 1957, which was a concave of the most high-ranking gangsters in the United States, meeting a Joseph Barberis house, which was off the beaten path of a main road. 09:33.243 --> 09:34.984 [SPEAKER_01]: And they all decided to meet together. 09:35.405 --> 09:37.306 [SPEAKER_01]: And the genavise was one of them at the meeting. 09:37.897 --> 09:41.920 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've just been plenty of movies made with this highlighted. 09:42.300 --> 09:50.145 [SPEAKER_01]: To see these gangsters in $5,000 suits and pointing the alligator shoes, running through cow pastures, getting hung up by Bob Wire. 09:50.525 --> 09:51.386 [SPEAKER_01]: It was embarrassing. 09:51.666 --> 09:57.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the thing that was most embarrassing to, when you see it, just our audience who didn't see the footage, 09:59.315 --> 10:17.563 [SPEAKER_02]: the state police who was very much aware of all these limousines all of a sudden coming up to this farmhouse with these, you know, elaborate cars and you know, it was just a measure just put up a flare and say, here we are, we're coming up here. 10:18.224 --> 10:22.806 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, they also back then you couldn't drive far and caused the amount of 10:28.965 --> 10:46.500 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, a hundred black Cadillacs tool into this town of 300 people and it got the state police's attention and they just followed one of the cars down to this two mile drive way to get the barbarous house and they knew they had somebody but they didn't know what they had. 10:46.861 --> 10:51.565 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, they really didn't have anything except the mobs that were out on parole. 10:52.553 --> 10:55.554 [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't consort with other mobsters and that's all they had. 10:55.834 --> 10:57.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody went to jail out of this, by the way, you know. 10:57.735 --> 10:59.475 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they just, they dressed in a barrage. 11:00.535 --> 11:04.837 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's, you know, the funny thing about that, that's when those meetings stopped. 11:05.657 --> 11:14.740 [SPEAKER_02]: And then what they did do, and I know that's for a fact because Custella was there and a lot of people that were there, they set up hotels. 11:16.020 --> 11:19.461 [SPEAKER_02]: And so in New York City, they met at the World off. 11:20.598 --> 11:23.660 [SPEAKER_02]: in Chicago, they met at the Palma House. 11:24.580 --> 11:28.803 [SPEAKER_02]: And in LA, they met at the Wilshire Hotel, Beverly Wilshire Hotel. 11:29.163 --> 11:31.504 [SPEAKER_02]: It's still there on Sun, Sun, Sun, Sun, Bonnebonne. 11:32.024 --> 11:32.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is smart. 11:32.965 --> 11:33.865 [SPEAKER_01]: First of all, they are not usual. 11:33.885 --> 11:36.107 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they aren't on the ground. 11:36.407 --> 11:37.948 [SPEAKER_01]: So anybody doing any types of vows? 11:37.968 --> 11:39.609 [SPEAKER_01]: That's to go up, whatever flow they're on. 11:40.229 --> 11:44.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, try to take pictures through windows, which of course, are covered. 11:44.891 --> 11:47.873 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's at least that's an extra-edit layer of security. 11:49.867 --> 12:16.236 [SPEAKER_01]: and they they all went there because they said the jobba bear was sick and they wanted to see how he was doing and what kind of it's jobba bear was sick he had a cold so you got a hundred of the most influential mobs in the country there running up there with clean x you know just to see how he's doing and i mean it was it was embarrassed these people are covered in mud uh... ripped up suits and they were running through the fields 12:21.437 --> 12:22.577 [SPEAKER_01]: Castellano didn't get away. 12:22.597 --> 12:44.315 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a young boss, and he was a captain, but anyway Enslinga didn't like Genevieve's attitude Genevieve's was known to be extremely ruthless in fact as a story About him having his eye on a chorus girl in a in a club in Brooklyn She was married which 12:46.471 --> 12:48.732 [SPEAKER_01]: I put a damp run on him asking that it go out. 12:49.112 --> 12:51.433 [SPEAKER_01]: So he threw a husband off a roof or had it done. 12:52.073 --> 12:53.013 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 12:53.313 --> 12:54.374 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the kind of guy he was. 12:55.334 --> 13:00.256 [SPEAKER_01]: But there was also myths about his famous drug arrest. 13:01.296 --> 13:14.021 [SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, answering a got him, but he didn't get him the way you read about some of the rumors and it was a movie about Jofalachi, where they had a scene where 13:15.355 --> 13:44.189 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... janivases in his house and the feds kicked down the door and they go to a closet and they open it up and it's like four kilos of heroin this closet not stupid can that be used a boss he's not gonna have anything to do with drugs uh... the way it really happened and i think it's a research over the weekend but you know what's up when we're about to say to me was so shocking what i heard it because i knew two of the main players was custella and my landscape 13:44.873 --> 13:50.435 [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, yeah, they were, I talked to them about it years later. 13:50.535 --> 13:56.318 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's, it's, I, well, tell them the story out of where it's crazy. 13:56.578 --> 14:01.560 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were looking for a snitch and you say, well, that's easy. 14:01.600 --> 14:08.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it might be easy these days when you have a recoil hanging over your head, but not back then, no one flipped. 14:09.443 --> 14:09.903 [SPEAKER_01]: This is 1957. 14:09.923 --> 14:10.103 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 14:15.445 --> 14:29.895 [SPEAKER_01]: But before John Volage, he testified before a congressional committee in 1964, where he exposed the fact that there really is a mafia and they call it like was an orchestra and the initiation rights and this guy had a photographic memory. 14:30.436 --> 14:34.699 [SPEAKER_01]: Prior to him flipping, no one ever turned. 14:35.359 --> 14:39.142 [SPEAKER_01]: No, when you took the oath, it meant something. 14:39.682 --> 14:42.644 [SPEAKER_01]: So to try to find somebody that can work their way in 14:46.005 --> 14:57.090 [SPEAKER_01]: They focused in on this one guy as his name is listed in my notes, but it would make a difference. 14:57.370 --> 15:02.632 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a low level mob guy, wasn't even an associate. 15:03.213 --> 15:05.994 [SPEAKER_01]: He was in and out of prisons for forgery. 15:06.614 --> 15:08.775 [SPEAKER_01]: He actually did six months from marijuana possession. 15:09.035 --> 15:09.816 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's it. 15:09.836 --> 15:10.916 [SPEAKER_01]: Talk about a long time ago. 15:10.976 --> 15:13.957 [SPEAKER_01]: Now no one gets locked up from marijuana one. 15:16.292 --> 15:22.597 [SPEAKER_01]: So at this point, he became a caught shop, a con man, and finally a drug trafficker. 15:23.078 --> 15:25.680 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a low-level street mutt. 15:25.800 --> 15:26.540 [SPEAKER_01]: That's all he was. 15:27.181 --> 15:28.702 [SPEAKER_01]: But he had big dreams. 15:30.303 --> 15:34.747 [SPEAKER_01]: And he gets, he's in and out of jails. 15:35.187 --> 15:36.729 [SPEAKER_01]: He was found guilty numerous times. 15:37.649 --> 15:39.451 [SPEAKER_01]: He went to sing sing for four years. 15:40.752 --> 15:44.895 [SPEAKER_01]: And the informant moves into the narcotics business 15:46.691 --> 15:55.018 [SPEAKER_01]: as a way of paying off a loan shark, a man on the tiny guy, known to his peers as Charlie the Walk, one of how they figured out that name. 15:55.378 --> 15:59.001 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, it was a member of the Crime Family run by Albert and Estasia. 15:59.021 --> 16:00.903 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're roping in Albert and Estasia. 16:01.643 --> 16:09.990 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy, Charlie the Walk, whose real name was Charles Barcelona, to Guy and Jackie Balls. 16:10.110 --> 16:11.391 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get these names, man. 16:15.448 --> 16:42.266 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, the interesting thing where you're going with this, it's funny because in 1957 just to let our audience know, that was the same time, Theodore Jenovase put a hit on Costello and that was the first time that, you know, without going to the commission, because when what people don't know in our audience, Frank Costello was running the Jenovase family while he was in prison. 16:43.790 --> 16:49.452 [SPEAKER_02]: and nobody realized that Costello was looking to get out of this. 16:49.492 --> 16:51.432 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't want to be a day-to-day boy. 16:51.452 --> 16:52.893 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a lot smarter than that. 16:54.093 --> 17:01.155 [SPEAKER_02]: But what really pissed him off, and it should have, they got chin who was just trying to get make his bones. 17:01.215 --> 17:02.695 [SPEAKER_02]: They gave him the contract. 17:03.215 --> 17:10.417 [SPEAKER_02]: And I still, yeah, I still don't understand how, in an elevator, at close range, 17:14.387 --> 17:20.992 [SPEAKER_01]: But it supposedly, according to the research, I did, you know, Genevieve's section that hit he organized. 17:21.012 --> 17:21.592 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 17:21.933 --> 17:24.775 [SPEAKER_02]: But he didn't get, he could sanction it. 17:24.895 --> 17:27.817 [SPEAKER_02]: He still has to go to the commission at a guy at a level. 17:28.398 --> 17:32.200 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the same thing with John Gotti did by Killer Ball Costalano. 17:32.260 --> 17:33.221 [SPEAKER_02]: He didn't get permission. 17:34.282 --> 17:35.203 [SPEAKER_02]: You all know that. 17:36.804 --> 17:39.926 [SPEAKER_01]: But Genevieve didn't get permission, either to go after Costalano. 17:40.286 --> 17:40.827 [SPEAKER_02]: How could you? 17:42.198 --> 17:43.859 [SPEAKER_02]: There was no way you're going to give it up. 17:44.559 --> 17:50.242 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going to go this follow the commission at that time was just starting first of all. 17:50.722 --> 18:04.629 [SPEAKER_02]: My was the organizer of it, but the sitting guys was Call of Gambeen, although you're not going to have Call of Gambeen because they were attached by the hip and that's how they're 18:11.738 --> 18:13.379 [SPEAKER_02]: best fishing on the weekends. 18:13.419 --> 18:19.363 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, these were close allies, and they weren't going to do for veto because they knew like you pointed out. 18:19.823 --> 18:23.225 [SPEAKER_02]: veto was a main, many, I kill if you wanted to me. 18:23.786 --> 18:25.026 [SPEAKER_02]: This guy was treacherous. 18:25.567 --> 18:35.393 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, 18:36.230 --> 18:42.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, but I mean, this was at a time, and it's hard for people who were realized what's going on now, everybody's father and heroin. 18:42.512 --> 18:48.334 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they turned a blind eye, making a money, unless you get caught out of it, then you're screwed. 18:48.734 --> 18:51.655 [SPEAKER_01]: But back then, I mean, there was serious about this. 18:51.675 --> 18:56.357 [SPEAKER_01]: You do not get involved with drugs, and nobody did till Genevieve comes along. 18:56.397 --> 18:57.057 [SPEAKER_01]: Who's the boss? 18:57.417 --> 18:58.437 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to change all that. 18:58.457 --> 19:03.699 [SPEAKER_01]: So people had to go, and Custella was one of them, but like you say, how do you miss 19:07.372 --> 19:19.781 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Chen, you know, wanted to make his balls, he was attached to Genevase as a soldier and as history knows it now, chin took over the Genevase family until he died. 19:20.062 --> 19:28.408 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was a major boss, but I think he saw that as an opportunity and he took the contract. 19:29.268 --> 19:35.293 [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't, you know, I think he, maybe a wink wink between Castello and I mean, you miss me, don't worry about this guy. 19:35.333 --> 19:36.474 [SPEAKER_02]: We're getting rid of him anyway. 19:37.032 --> 19:39.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that was the hell of a miss because he did shoot him in the head. 19:39.333 --> 19:40.873 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he agrees to move on. 19:40.953 --> 19:41.153 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:41.293 --> 19:41.653 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 19:41.973 --> 19:46.974 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if I was going to still, I would say, OK, let's work together on this. 19:47.314 --> 19:50.355 [SPEAKER_01]: You can shoot me in the head, but make sure it's off to the right of it. 19:50.575 --> 19:54.136 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I think it's just, well, let me say something to you about that. 19:54.296 --> 20:00.678 [SPEAKER_02]: I know what went on if you'd be in a cop and familiar with firearms. 20:01.118 --> 20:04.579 [SPEAKER_02]: If I drew my gun and took my gun and laid it in the air, 20:06.609 --> 20:09.790 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm burning your head, being part of your skin, and that's it. 20:11.050 --> 20:11.990 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's the way it happened. 20:12.010 --> 20:13.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it was like the three or four feet away. 20:13.611 --> 20:14.411 [SPEAKER_01]: That's taken a chance. 20:14.851 --> 20:15.211 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't. 20:15.231 --> 20:16.652 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that's the way it happened. 20:17.512 --> 20:19.352 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 20:19.452 --> 20:21.393 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's from Costello's mouth. 20:21.513 --> 20:22.533 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how it happened. 20:23.013 --> 20:25.714 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, then you could see that there was collusion there. 20:25.734 --> 20:26.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. 20:26.954 --> 20:29.195 [SPEAKER_01]: Getting back to veto. 20:29.735 --> 20:34.596 [SPEAKER_01]: The informative agrees to transport narcotics. 20:36.015 --> 20:48.610 [SPEAKER_01]: from Charlie, Barcelona, $1,000 from Tampa, through Cleveland, into York. 20:49.251 --> 20:52.134 [SPEAKER_01]: This is Jagatty, was a big pro-hero one guy. 20:54.865 --> 20:58.868 [SPEAKER_01]: He agreed with the genavise on that point only. 20:58.988 --> 21:02.930 [SPEAKER_01]: They were each fighting for power, but heroin was the way to go. 21:03.150 --> 21:04.471 [SPEAKER_01]: Even in the movie, the Godfather. 21:04.571 --> 21:07.572 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's that's the only solo that was the whole premise. 21:07.592 --> 21:10.194 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how everything changes because there's a lot of trouble. 21:11.134 --> 21:12.875 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 21:12.995 --> 21:20.820 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, Genevase attended some of these meetings because their passing 21:22.652 --> 21:50.457 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... from the informant to uh... jaganti and every anybody else was there and there was some names uh... john mento uh... you did these are big names uh... uh... now uh... and it did look like they had a uh... uh... fairly much of a uh... for rent they were organizing a pipeline from morsay france which was the point of uh... in blockation of heroin united states so janivates makes them a state 21:50.941 --> 21:53.222 [SPEAKER_01]: allegedly of attending some of these meetings. 21:53.982 --> 21:55.722 [SPEAKER_01]: So there was no heroin in his closet. 21:56.222 --> 21:58.203 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't that overt about it. 21:58.523 --> 22:02.644 [SPEAKER_01]: But the point here is, did Genevase really attend these meetings? 22:04.804 --> 22:10.466 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what's a point of conjecture here. 22:10.506 --> 22:11.746 [SPEAKER_01]: People say he was framed. 22:11.966 --> 22:13.566 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tend to go along with that. 22:13.906 --> 22:15.067 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he definitely was framed. 22:15.107 --> 22:16.567 [SPEAKER_02]: He was framed by a dummy, a biorew. 22:21.555 --> 22:29.581 [SPEAKER_02]: and they got rid of him, but they needed a witness, and this informant, of course, and he testified in great detail. 22:30.142 --> 22:32.684 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, there's people on the pro and con of this. 22:32.724 --> 22:39.669 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this guy was in a form, wasn't a bright guy, but this is what I saw, and he testified, and he was believed. 22:40.210 --> 22:49.537 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but the only thing he had to do, first of all, his debt was eradicated, and it all he had to do as every meeting he went to, that he saw, 22:51.654 --> 22:53.454 [SPEAKER_02]: There was no thing that totally had to say. 22:54.655 --> 23:00.156 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said that I saw him there six different times and gave him the dates and the meetings because he was at those meetings. 23:00.976 --> 23:03.257 [SPEAKER_01]: They guys are more on this informant. 23:03.937 --> 23:05.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Apparently, he skated. 23:06.277 --> 23:09.038 [SPEAKER_01]: There was no witness protection program back then, but they hit him somewhere. 23:09.698 --> 23:16.880 [SPEAKER_02]: But the interesting thing about all that, it was a great score for the federal government to give you the genavace of the streets. 23:18.252 --> 23:19.813 [SPEAKER_02]: He was a menace to society. 23:20.373 --> 23:43.647 [SPEAKER_02]: He's going into the big heroin business and supposedly organized crime as they mentioned, you mentioned in the Godfather that they made a deal that they will not be dealing a drug soliciting, lose all their connections with the law, all the judges they had in their pockets or the politicians in their pockets. 23:44.287 --> 23:45.508 [SPEAKER_02]: They didn't want to lose that. 23:46.270 --> 24:04.740 [SPEAKER_02]: But then it was all like you're saying these gypsy on the bosses that the lead is like a John Gardy Or somebody would turn the ball and die and they were doing big money Well, what also went against janivase prior to him getting trapped in this sting He was away for a long time. 24:04.760 --> 24:10.963 [SPEAKER_01]: He was supposed to be indicted for a homicide And in the early 40s. 24:11.003 --> 24:11.563 [SPEAKER_01]: He skipped. 24:11.683 --> 24:12.764 [SPEAKER_01]: He went to he went to Italy. 24:12.964 --> 24:13.184 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah 24:14.712 --> 24:30.281 [SPEAKER_01]: many years and you know slowly the witnesses die that seems to be added where this is by where this is moved what this is decided to see what they actually saw and he came back so one of the things that they used the trial was while he was in Italy he set up this pipeline. 24:31.022 --> 24:34.203 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah that's where we're selling. 24:34.584 --> 24:40.707 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah you know he he could have done that but that was nail in his coffin in addition to the 24:43.356 --> 24:44.477 [SPEAKER_01]: a testimony against them. 24:45.217 --> 24:56.362 [SPEAKER_01]: But this was the start of the downfall of the mob, because when Genevase was convicted, he got 15 years, it wasn't a young guy, it was technically a life sentence. 24:56.863 --> 25:05.567 [SPEAKER_01]: He goes to one of the toughest prisons in the United States, which was the land of federal penitentiary, and who's there, but Joe Volacci, on a different bit. 25:06.607 --> 25:11.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Genevase thought he had something to do with him being in prison and put out a head on him, 25:13.455 --> 25:19.498 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Velacie had a choice, die or talk, so he talked. 25:20.118 --> 25:31.783 [SPEAKER_01]: Velacie was not an informant, he never even thought about it, but he was marked, because the janivate said, you had to be one of the guys who turned me in, either that he was happy and be, you know, in the same prison. 25:33.044 --> 25:39.007 [SPEAKER_01]: Velacie talks, and that was the turning point in the American mafia, Velacie talk. 25:39.067 --> 25:40.027 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, when he talked. 25:40.799 --> 25:42.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Jay had go over how to admit that there was a mafia. 25:43.162 --> 25:46.806 [SPEAKER_01]: He could no longer say there is no such thing because he'd been saying that for years. 25:47.226 --> 25:48.548 [SPEAKER_01]: But now he couldn't say that anymore. 25:49.329 --> 25:53.313 [SPEAKER_01]: And that was the start of the downhill slide for the American mafia. 25:53.648 --> 25:59.933 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're because that's when, as you said, they started using the Riko Act, which was in the books, but nobody really used it. 26:00.273 --> 26:05.557 [SPEAKER_02]: And the guy who really applied it was Bobby Kennedy then when he became attorney general. 26:06.098 --> 26:07.999 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he would have never used it. 26:08.139 --> 26:12.063 [SPEAKER_01]: And think about if Genevieve was never sent the presence of this. 26:12.923 --> 26:16.186 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot she would have done his time, never testified. 26:17.087 --> 26:22.571 [SPEAKER_01]: And who knows what would happen in subsequent years, but the marble would have been much stronger. 26:23.227 --> 26:31.710 [SPEAKER_01]: for many years, if a lot she didn't test the fire and it was all because of the you know, Genevase, it was paranoid or just pissed off and wanted to kill the large. 26:32.111 --> 26:48.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but the power was lost and those years were the 50s I was on a day-to-day basis just listening and overhearing as a young kid, but all, all, all those day to mentioning, that's when they knew they had to get rid of. 26:49.240 --> 26:52.562 [SPEAKER_02]: Pofachii, they had to get rid of Almananistasia. 26:52.963 --> 27:01.529 [SPEAKER_02]: These guys were getting too strong and going to try to take over the five families themselves in the oil and assassinate Cologamino. 27:02.349 --> 27:04.171 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's how Colombo made that move. 27:04.671 --> 27:07.433 [SPEAKER_02]: But it was an interesting time. 27:07.473 --> 27:14.939 [SPEAKER_02]: It was like nobody wanted to do drugs, but everybody realized they had to get some kind of control. 27:15.539 --> 27:16.780 [SPEAKER_02]: And the while had her, 27:17.928 --> 27:27.570 [SPEAKER_02]: being Albert, Albert was the most feared guy out of all of them, and the China right under them. 27:27.730 --> 27:30.170 [SPEAKER_02]: They killed themselves. 27:30.250 --> 27:30.810 [SPEAKER_02]: They were there. 27:32.731 --> 27:34.991 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Frank Estella killed anybody. 27:35.611 --> 27:36.852 [SPEAKER_02]: He was too smart. 27:36.872 --> 27:37.792 [SPEAKER_02]: He had people do it. 27:38.292 --> 27:42.213 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like Tony Acaro, a caro in Chicago. 27:42.273 --> 27:43.973 [SPEAKER_02]: He did all his work early on. 27:44.788 --> 28:06.380 [SPEAKER_02]: as a bodyguard for, um, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh 28:07.281 --> 28:15.527 [SPEAKER_02]: but these new kids, that the 50s was an interesting time as far as destroying major players. 28:16.227 --> 28:17.848 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the transition. 28:17.868 --> 28:20.950 [SPEAKER_01]: You had to cycle bosses with the killings themselves. 28:21.030 --> 28:22.351 [SPEAKER_01]: Because they're so much power. 28:22.391 --> 28:23.532 [SPEAKER_01]: They can do anything they want to do. 28:23.572 --> 28:25.633 [SPEAKER_01]: The FBI said there is no mafia. 28:26.034 --> 28:27.234 [SPEAKER_01]: Politicians were paid off. 28:27.655 --> 28:30.116 [SPEAKER_01]: They had a president entering the White House. 28:30.156 --> 28:31.237 [SPEAKER_01]: They thought, well, 28:32.708 --> 28:34.570 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that they could control. 28:34.590 --> 28:37.152 [SPEAKER_01]: They had joke Kennedy that they were controlling. 28:37.372 --> 28:38.713 [SPEAKER_01]: They could do anything they wanted to do. 28:38.833 --> 28:40.295 [SPEAKER_02]: Could you imagine the feeling of power? 28:41.158 --> 28:41.658 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God. 28:41.918 --> 28:45.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, when Chicago elected Harry Truman, that was their guy. 28:45.780 --> 29:00.666 [SPEAKER_02]: So they knew what that was and that's why they were going to try to control the White House for the next 16 years as you bring out with John Kennedy and that they had Lyndon Main Johnson lined up for the next eight years. 29:01.327 --> 29:04.468 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's it and they could have did whatever they wanted to do. 29:05.086 --> 29:05.727 [SPEAKER_01]: days are over. 29:06.027 --> 29:07.268 [SPEAKER_02]: No, not at all. 29:07.868 --> 29:12.332 [SPEAKER_02]: But I had it over and any better position than we are now but who's in the White House now. 29:14.274 --> 29:23.121 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, at least organized crime is a well talking about the Italians is a hell of a lot weaker, but the other Red think groups are a lot stronger. 29:23.382 --> 29:24.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, yeah. 29:24.963 --> 29:26.084 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you couldn't get away. 29:26.424 --> 29:29.847 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I was growing up, I mean, I was a kid, 29:32.745 --> 29:39.989 [SPEAKER_01]: every so often, and you know, I'd be a couple of weeks that there was a dead body that the police had find in the middle of the street in the trunk of a car. 29:40.569 --> 29:54.257 [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I tell the story when this podcast just began, almost three years ago, there was, uh, uh, uh, uh, I lived right by Kennedy, uh, the Guadi-ept, what, you know, the Aerical Jackson Heights Queens. 29:54.957 --> 30:00.480 [SPEAKER_01]: And I heard there was a guy shot in a parking lot of, uh, one of the hotels by, 30:00.985 --> 30:10.928 [SPEAKER_01]: The Guadi-App was right, jumped on my bike, my friends and I went down there, and in a Cadillac, it was a Cadillac, was a little Auguste Prasano. 30:11.348 --> 30:18.650 [SPEAKER_01]: And his girlfriend, his girlfriend, was the wife of a comedian named Alan Drake. 30:20.137 --> 30:23.019 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a pretty famous comedian, but anyway, they had something going there. 30:23.419 --> 30:25.180 [SPEAKER_01]: She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. 30:25.840 --> 30:30.143 [SPEAKER_01]: There were witnesses, nobody saw anything, though, and they'd pick up blown away in the car. 30:30.323 --> 30:31.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, guys, people around them. 30:33.324 --> 30:35.445 [SPEAKER_01]: And I saw this, I must have been about 10 years old. 30:36.446 --> 30:37.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe 11. 30:37.947 --> 30:38.327 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 30:39.067 --> 30:41.649 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that must have been a bad impression. 30:41.689 --> 30:43.830 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a crime scene. 30:43.850 --> 30:45.751 [SPEAKER_01]: They think they keep the bodies there for as long as needed. 30:46.173 --> 31:09.308 [SPEAKER_01]: out of that time yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know for for uh I can't just see it's still burnt into my head what they look like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah 31:10.266 --> 31:21.112 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, I mean, there's an attitude like that going on right now in major cities because there's certain groups just killing each other every night, I know the weekends. 31:21.813 --> 31:23.114 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to stay up to straight on weekends. 31:23.154 --> 31:23.814 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the answer. 31:23.834 --> 31:25.375 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello, that's why I'm home all the time. 31:25.995 --> 31:33.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, to wrap this up, after a lot, she testifies and it was no witness protection. 31:33.520 --> 31:35.821 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, Ashley is called the witness security program. 31:36.061 --> 31:36.922 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not the witness protection. 31:37.402 --> 31:38.763 [SPEAKER_01]: But it didn't exist back then. 31:39.318 --> 31:43.301 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was kept on an army base for the rest of his life. 31:43.321 --> 31:48.844 [SPEAKER_01]: But all he wanted to do was to outlive Vinojana base. 31:49.244 --> 31:50.385 [SPEAKER_01]: Jenovese ruined his life. 31:50.885 --> 31:53.847 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a testifying, basically, a prisoner for the rest of his life. 31:54.608 --> 31:59.991 [SPEAKER_01]: And Jenovese died about a year before Velashia did. 32:00.071 --> 32:02.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Jenovese died in prison in the land of Benavich. 32:02.913 --> 32:05.575 [SPEAKER_02]: Then Velashia died and whatever army base he was on. 32:05.635 --> 32:06.936 [SPEAKER_01]: But that was his goal. 32:09.012 --> 32:11.073 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought, Joe's in the Bronx. 32:11.813 --> 32:13.294 [SPEAKER_01]: Joe, a lot to you on the restaurant. 32:13.314 --> 32:13.674 [SPEAKER_01]: You do? 32:14.594 --> 32:19.696 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, off the Bronx River, not not the Bronx River, but I forgot. 32:20.157 --> 32:26.039 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, you can see it from this park where I remember going there was a huge side, Joe's, and I was his place. 32:27.100 --> 32:27.980 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot you had a few years. 32:29.020 --> 32:30.301 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, you know, just, how much does he do? 32:30.361 --> 32:31.561 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I don't know. 32:31.781 --> 32:33.162 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know. 32:33.882 --> 32:34.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this three. 32:35.023 --> 32:35.443 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 32:36.089 --> 32:40.994 [SPEAKER_00]: So Pat, whatever happened to with this informant, what what happens to him after this all goes down. 32:41.915 --> 32:42.015 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh. 32:42.836 --> 32:44.137 [SPEAKER_00]: The informant. 32:44.177 --> 32:44.838 [SPEAKER_02]: The young. 32:44.938 --> 32:46.359 [SPEAKER_02]: I think we don't know. 32:46.739 --> 32:46.819 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 32:46.839 --> 32:46.900 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 32:46.920 --> 32:49.242 [SPEAKER_02]: He just they changes identity. 32:49.282 --> 32:50.263 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of the junior. 32:51.204 --> 32:52.845 [SPEAKER_02]: Or some sort of space. 32:53.226 --> 32:55.027 [SPEAKER_01]: I understand he's your next old name. 32:55.608 --> 32:58.391 [SPEAKER_01]: By the way, his name is Cantalope's. 32:59.071 --> 32:59.612 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't know. 33:00.284 --> 33:06.848 [SPEAKER_02]: That's just real name or he's really like him's candlesticks L.O.P.S. 33:06.868 --> 33:08.328 [SPEAKER_02]: So it could be candlesticks. 33:08.729 --> 33:10.529 [SPEAKER_02]: No, because I mean that's how they get these names. 33:10.890 --> 33:13.451 [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, we have burgers, meatballs, it's better. 33:13.471 --> 33:15.012 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they got a lot of crazy names. 33:15.032 --> 33:18.233 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't you can't go up. 33:18.253 --> 33:18.734 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 33:18.874 --> 33:19.294 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 33:19.374 --> 33:20.235 [SPEAKER_02]: All this stuff. 33:21.775 --> 33:22.015 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 33:22.035 --> 33:23.216 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're R.I.P. 33:23.256 --> 33:25.977 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, Genevase and Joe Malachi. 33:26.238 --> 33:26.838 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hello. 33:28.482 --> 33:31.464 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I'm starting to think budget of the show kept going on. 33:31.484 --> 33:32.905 [SPEAKER_02]: There's to me nobody to talk about. 33:34.786 --> 33:36.367 [SPEAKER_02]: You're a radicating everybody. 33:36.407 --> 33:36.827 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes. 33:37.347 --> 33:37.788 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 33:38.288 --> 33:39.709 [SPEAKER_02]: Money against this to go around. 33:40.769 --> 33:43.071 [SPEAKER_02]: Not not colorful ones though. 33:43.111 --> 33:43.791 [SPEAKER_01]: Not anymore. 33:43.871 --> 33:45.512 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 33:45.532 --> 33:46.913 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's work. 33:46.973 --> 33:48.334 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's make some money. 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first question is from Al, Al says Johnny's calling line. 34:52.200 --> 34:54.562 [SPEAKER_00]: I said in the question a while back about where to find it. 34:54.902 --> 34:57.364 [SPEAKER_00]: You actually did read the question on the podcast recently. 34:57.544 --> 34:59.806 [SPEAKER_00]: I continue trying to Google it with no success. 35:00.586 --> 35:02.007 [SPEAKER_00]: Any updates on that? 35:02.828 --> 35:05.330 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm told we're going to be up in two weeks. 35:05.570 --> 35:08.652 [SPEAKER_02]: What the world and august have been saying we're going to be up in two weeks. 35:09.713 --> 35:15.738 [SPEAKER_02]: They as you've seen even all the news, bring in merchandise from 35:16.610 --> 35:19.353 [SPEAKER_02]: around the world is becoming more and more difficult. 35:20.173 --> 35:22.415 [SPEAKER_02]: And we thought we had it convinced. 35:22.976 --> 35:26.539 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we thought we had it solved. 35:27.360 --> 35:31.183 [SPEAKER_02]: And we found out we had another hiccup that we had to go through. 35:32.064 --> 35:36.728 [SPEAKER_02]: Because customs is back a lot now. 35:37.229 --> 35:39.370 [SPEAKER_02]: So now you got it here. 35:40.532 --> 35:41.212 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 35:41.492 --> 35:42.513 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, what a nightmare. 35:42.613 --> 35:43.054 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 35:43.733 --> 35:45.635 [SPEAKER_01]: You see the picture Gianni of New York Auburn? 35:46.195 --> 35:47.676 [SPEAKER_01]: There are tankers out there. 35:48.037 --> 35:49.978 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the D-Day invasion. 35:50.138 --> 35:52.020 [SPEAKER_01]: There's water that can't come in. 35:52.520 --> 35:55.103 [SPEAKER_02]: There's 500 tankers over LA, Auburn. 35:55.763 --> 36:01.948 [SPEAKER_02]: And that two different crews abandoned the tanker got on a boat and came in. 36:02.028 --> 36:03.409 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what we are in on staying on here. 36:03.790 --> 36:04.270 [SPEAKER_02]: And they love it. 36:04.310 --> 36:04.931 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh. 36:05.211 --> 36:07.333 [SPEAKER_02]: So now they don't have no crew. 36:07.613 --> 36:09.094 [SPEAKER_02]: It's anchored and it's sitting there. 36:09.455 --> 36:11.176 [SPEAKER_01]: That is such a nightmare. 36:11.802 --> 36:28.787 [SPEAKER_02]: It all comes down to truckers, you don't have enough truckers to unload and they don't have any or long Sherman that want to work over time to unload the trucks to get them to get them on the pierce, first of all the containers, and they have no trucks to take them to where they have to go to the destination. 36:29.427 --> 36:32.288 [SPEAKER_02]: So you may be buying Christmas gifts for Easter this year. 36:33.188 --> 36:34.168 [SPEAKER_02]: Is your website up yet? 36:34.949 --> 36:38.570 [SPEAKER_02]: The site I don't want to put up the site because the site is when you could stop buying. 36:38.590 --> 36:40.010 [SPEAKER_02]: That's so funny. 36:40.625 --> 36:43.707 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, by the other, my food site, we've solved that. 36:43.807 --> 36:49.510 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got, fortunately, uh, quarterly on fine attire and that will be up in one week. 36:49.590 --> 37:03.718 [SPEAKER_02]: And we have over 7,000 gift boxes ready to ship so that that's going to be very look good of, but, so, I mean, uh, Megan, I'm sure, uh, your gift box and my gift box are in the mail. 37:04.319 --> 37:05.119 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it will be. 37:05.499 --> 37:05.980 [SPEAKER_02]: It will be. 37:06.200 --> 37:07.661 [SPEAKER_02]: If you like the products, that's easy. 37:10.544 --> 37:11.824 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you're family. 37:12.025 --> 37:13.905 [SPEAKER_02]: You're family supported all the time, Megan. 37:14.185 --> 37:17.066 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the son, I was just home this past weekend at my parents' house. 37:17.086 --> 37:18.707 [SPEAKER_00]: The sauces were in the fridge. 37:18.767 --> 37:19.567 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I love it. 37:19.587 --> 37:23.808 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'd tell you right now, not because they were our sources, but they are really good. 37:24.589 --> 37:25.149 [SPEAKER_02]: They are. 37:25.829 --> 37:34.832 [SPEAKER_02]: I would not get behind the brand, and that was one of the things I was infatient about, because I'm the spokesperson for Quarterly Own Point of Time. 37:35.505 --> 37:40.689 [SPEAKER_02]: and I'm proud to be it because everything the samurai around the domain is the olive oil everything is perfect. 37:41.390 --> 37:43.111 [SPEAKER_00]: My parents love the arrabia tassels. 37:43.391 --> 37:44.152 [SPEAKER_02]: That's my favorite. 37:44.172 --> 37:46.414 [SPEAKER_00]: It was fun. 37:47.274 --> 37:47.594 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:48.555 --> 37:51.558 [SPEAKER_02]: Next we did two commercials now just in the mail bag. 37:52.778 --> 37:53.399 [SPEAKER_00]: I love it. 37:54.280 --> 37:54.740 [SPEAKER_02]: That's awesome. 37:54.760 --> 37:55.140 [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome. 37:55.220 --> 37:55.761 [SPEAKER_00]: All we can. 37:56.782 --> 37:57.022 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 37:57.042 --> 37:58.243 [SPEAKER_00]: Next is from George. 37:58.383 --> 38:01.525 [SPEAKER_00]: George says singer Mort Downey performed in Vegas at the 38:05.978 --> 38:08.359 [SPEAKER_02]: He was the singer, Morton Downey, I thought he was a comedian. 38:08.919 --> 38:12.440 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's one Downey Jr. talking about, we had his own show. 38:12.640 --> 38:16.882 [SPEAKER_01]: His father, Morton Downey, senior, was a performer. 38:17.722 --> 38:19.723 [SPEAKER_02]: In what capacity I thought I was a comedian. 38:19.763 --> 38:20.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Bigger, singer. 38:21.123 --> 38:22.063 [SPEAKER_01]: Singer, really? 38:22.644 --> 38:24.884 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was on the Morton Downey Jr. show four times. 38:25.144 --> 38:25.485 [SPEAKER_01]: You were? 38:25.745 --> 38:26.265 [SPEAKER_00]: Really? 38:26.645 --> 38:34.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this guy, he was the same way off camera that he was on, it costed, you know, 38:36.718 --> 38:38.399 [SPEAKER_01]: This had a cigarette out of his mind. 38:38.419 --> 38:39.419 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd like one with the other. 38:40.360 --> 38:42.541 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, that was a good thing. 38:42.841 --> 38:44.822 [SPEAKER_02]: That was being in Frank on stage. 38:44.882 --> 38:48.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Sammy Davis, they had a strange on the stage, while there was doing his shows. 38:48.724 --> 38:51.345 [SPEAKER_02]: No, but let's get back to how you got on that show. 38:51.365 --> 38:52.686 [SPEAKER_02]: What were you doing, tap dancing? 38:54.046 --> 38:55.047 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the show. 38:55.407 --> 38:57.908 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 38:58.468 --> 39:00.369 [SPEAKER_01]: There was one kid napping. 39:00.910 --> 39:01.470 [SPEAKER_01]: I was on. 39:02.705 --> 39:15.272 [SPEAKER_01]: uh... and let my expertise notice something to do with some kind of crime but that doesn't sound like it's a singer showed to bring it up to bring you on a talk about it a father was the singer not wanting down each unit one down each unit had a talk show 39:16.304 --> 39:17.265 [SPEAKER_02]: That's what I was thinking. 39:17.345 --> 39:18.106 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd tell me, okay. 39:18.246 --> 39:23.270 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, no, no, there's the father was long dead by the time one down he, Jr., had his show up. 39:23.470 --> 39:24.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay. 39:24.351 --> 39:25.852 [SPEAKER_02]: But he was just in the view. 39:25.872 --> 39:28.695 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like, so many other shows. 39:28.875 --> 39:29.556 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was nasty. 39:29.576 --> 39:32.879 [SPEAKER_01]: He was scream at everybody, including us, viewers, guests. 39:33.359 --> 39:35.601 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that was, and I wasn't on by myself. 39:35.621 --> 39:38.284 [SPEAKER_01]: It was always a panel, it was on the like two or three other people. 39:39.344 --> 39:42.187 [SPEAKER_01]: It always makes sure, I was just produces, it always makes sure. 39:42.410 --> 39:44.652 [SPEAKER_01]: that everybody had a different opinion. 39:44.992 --> 39:46.313 [SPEAKER_01]: So it always be arguing. 39:46.994 --> 39:48.395 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I used to go to that show. 39:48.435 --> 39:51.417 [SPEAKER_01]: I was supposed to look like five pounds each episode. 39:51.837 --> 39:54.239 [SPEAKER_02]: But the controversy, you even back then. 39:54.279 --> 39:58.002 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, they wanted to be that totally, they stimulated it. 39:58.843 --> 40:02.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this guy, I said, yeah, he's got a dial on cancer. 40:02.185 --> 40:02.806 [SPEAKER_01]: That's sure enough. 40:03.867 --> 40:04.787 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 40:04.968 --> 40:06.168 [SPEAKER_01]: He was bad with the cigarettes. 40:07.670 --> 40:07.910 [SPEAKER_02]: Man. 40:08.330 --> 40:09.291 [SPEAKER_02]: Move it right along. 40:10.052 --> 40:10.492 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 40:11.251 --> 40:38.717 [SPEAKER_02]: next is from Meredith made it says I love hearing about the behind the scenes of the movie's Johnny talks about is there a movie that he feels has the most inaccurate depiction of the mafia not not any that we did but i think the the soprano is i think it's the joke of all the mobbies i've had anything i've ever seen about the mafia uh uh uh gallophini runs his club in a strip joint that's really 40:39.452 --> 40:41.153 [SPEAKER_02]: not bring any attention to the mob. 40:41.253 --> 40:43.194 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's all not, anyway. 40:43.674 --> 40:45.175 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing I've ever seen. 40:45.215 --> 40:48.296 [SPEAKER_02]: Most of the good movies do their research. 40:49.077 --> 40:50.398 [SPEAKER_02]: And they're well done. 40:52.679 --> 40:53.179 [SPEAKER_01]: Main Street. 40:53.199 --> 40:54.059 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a saw Main Street. 40:54.119 --> 40:54.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you know? 40:55.180 --> 40:55.340 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 40:56.060 --> 40:57.141 [SPEAKER_01]: At the nearest first movie. 40:57.221 --> 41:00.523 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very accurate of the guys from mobile industry. 41:00.563 --> 41:01.643 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what the movie was about. 41:01.723 --> 41:07.366 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, only wanted to become mobbed up in any way they could. 41:08.026 --> 41:09.908 [SPEAKER_02]: Robert DeNiro looked like he was 16. 41:10.288 --> 41:13.350 [SPEAKER_02]: This isn't all a movie. 41:13.831 --> 41:15.212 [SPEAKER_02]: Was that before taxi tours? 41:16.233 --> 41:16.693 [SPEAKER_02]: Pardon me? 41:16.953 --> 41:18.535 [SPEAKER_02]: Was that before the movie taxi? 41:18.615 --> 41:20.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Way, way before taxi. 41:20.316 --> 41:20.756 [SPEAKER_02]: Really? 41:21.137 --> 41:23.839 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it actually rolled around. 41:23.879 --> 41:24.640 [SPEAKER_01]: This was his first movie. 41:24.840 --> 41:27.081 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, go to Netflix. 41:27.162 --> 41:31.305 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on, it's got to be on YouTube because it's in the public domain now, I think. 41:32.417 --> 41:33.458 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's everywhere. 41:34.138 --> 41:37.180 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think any, when do you just said there about motion pictures? 41:37.300 --> 41:38.780 [SPEAKER_02]: They don't become public domain. 41:38.860 --> 41:39.521 [SPEAKER_02]: They do that well. 41:39.781 --> 41:41.962 [SPEAKER_02]: They keep a relationship in the licensees. 41:42.042 --> 41:46.084 [SPEAKER_02]: I have some, well, one being the godfather's 50 years old. 41:47.005 --> 41:51.427 [SPEAKER_01]: We, I watch really old gangster movies and old crime movies. 41:51.447 --> 41:53.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, if nobody wants to lie to him. 41:53.548 --> 41:54.969 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go. 41:55.409 --> 42:00.972 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, if you have a chance to see it, because it's a classic, the budget for that picture 42:02.856 --> 42:06.618 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the street, handheld cameras, I mean, it was just great. 42:06.658 --> 42:08.239 [SPEAKER_02]: I was couldn't even buy a film. 42:08.259 --> 42:08.379 [SPEAKER_02]: $200. 42:08.419 --> 42:10.801 [SPEAKER_02]: Even though it was just as it's first movie. 42:10.901 --> 42:11.361 [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. 42:11.822 --> 42:12.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Very well done. 42:12.762 --> 42:13.923 [SPEAKER_02]: And it may grow better than you are. 42:15.044 --> 42:16.504 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably may just go crazy also. 42:16.965 --> 42:17.345 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably. 42:18.626 --> 42:19.506 [SPEAKER_02]: Movie quite a long. 42:20.527 --> 42:21.888 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, next is from James. 42:22.448 --> 42:24.529 [SPEAKER_00]: James says, great show. 42:24.549 --> 42:26.691 [SPEAKER_00]: The wealth of knowledge from everyone is appreciated. 42:27.151 --> 42:30.333 [SPEAKER_00]: I was curious what is known about the numbers rocket and Harlem. 42:30.747 --> 42:35.710 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like Hollywood is obsessed with this number of rocket story from a racial revisionist perspective. 42:36.130 --> 42:43.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Where Frank loose Lucas is lionized and Italians are vilified, even though I'm guessing the only color they all cared about was green. 42:44.654 --> 42:47.556 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, there's a TV show now called the Harlem godfather. 42:48.456 --> 42:57.141 [SPEAKER_02]: That's never going away because and especially what's going on with black lives matter, all of this revenge from white 43:00.294 --> 43:06.499 [SPEAKER_02]: or the blacks up there, they were taking from them by power. 43:07.340 --> 43:12.825 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd say at the real power up there, Gianni, who kept the really low profile and Spanish Raymond Marquez. 43:14.506 --> 43:15.287 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know. 43:15.927 --> 43:17.789 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the C, low profile. 43:18.289 --> 43:25.175 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was the king of numbers and what was known as Spanish Harlem back then. 43:26.476 --> 43:27.297 [SPEAKER_01]: He contacted me. 43:29.517 --> 43:31.898 [SPEAKER_01]: contacted me about 20 years ago. 43:32.858 --> 43:35.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Spanish Raymond was long retired at tough guy. 43:35.779 --> 43:37.060 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a really tough guy. 43:37.380 --> 43:42.001 [SPEAKER_01]: He ran Spanish while in numbers with an iron fist buddy. 43:42.021 --> 43:43.042 [SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to do a book. 43:44.022 --> 43:48.884 [SPEAKER_01]: So I get summoned to Florida and the Spanish Raymond is in his 80s, then he's sick. 43:48.904 --> 43:49.664 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got cancer. 43:50.284 --> 43:51.925 [SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about, I saw him, 43:52.574 --> 43:56.416 [SPEAKER_01]: in a place called Mrs. J. Sacred Cow was a steakhouse on the west side. 43:56.636 --> 43:58.157 [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't get seated quick enough. 43:58.617 --> 44:00.999 [SPEAKER_01]: He ripped the payphone off the wall and threw it through a window. 44:01.699 --> 44:02.579 [SPEAKER_01]: That's Spanish Raymond. 44:03.140 --> 44:04.540 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 44:04.621 --> 44:07.982 [SPEAKER_01]: 85 and he can get arrested for that. 44:08.443 --> 44:12.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody arrested Spanish Raymond Marquez except he had to get locked up like every two years. 44:13.005 --> 44:14.326 [SPEAKER_01]: They call him up instead of your turn. 44:14.626 --> 44:15.306 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a gambler. 44:15.867 --> 44:16.707 [SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't hurting anybody. 44:16.727 --> 44:18.388 [SPEAKER_01]: No, let me ask you a question about that. 44:18.727 --> 44:19.307 [SPEAKER_02]: That was good money. 44:19.648 --> 44:21.389 [SPEAKER_02]: He had to be paying somebody off. 44:21.949 --> 44:22.590 [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody. 44:22.970 --> 44:23.891 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm sorry. 44:24.731 --> 44:31.576 [SPEAKER_02]: You have to wait that kind of a numbers operation, not in Hollywood, but I've somebody getting their end 30 40 years. 44:31.596 --> 44:35.438 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, me Spanish Raymond and his son's sit down is this son's a lawyer. 44:35.458 --> 44:36.239 [SPEAKER_01]: There's all the talking. 44:36.619 --> 44:37.560 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, wow, what a story. 44:37.580 --> 44:38.360 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy is guy. 44:39.101 --> 44:42.323 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, OK, and he said, what's the standard cut? 44:48.680 --> 44:49.981 [SPEAKER_01]: We want ninety ten. 44:51.381 --> 44:53.322 [SPEAKER_01]: I said ninety ten percent. 44:53.983 --> 44:54.883 [SPEAKER_01]: I said I'm not doing it. 44:55.444 --> 44:57.084 [SPEAKER_02]: It's all for you through the window. 44:58.725 --> 45:01.327 [SPEAKER_01]: At that point he had trouble standing up as well as to his edge. 45:01.367 --> 45:06.529 [SPEAKER_01]: But he remembered the incident where he threw the phone, the ripped off the phone off the wall through the window. 45:06.549 --> 45:07.050 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a few at that. 45:07.270 --> 45:08.150 [SPEAKER_01]: I said yes, I was there. 45:08.390 --> 45:10.672 [SPEAKER_01]: And he asked about how is Mrs. Jane and people loan the place. 45:10.952 --> 45:14.774 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I thought he did it when you were waiting for dinner that day. 45:15.294 --> 45:17.455 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to say, I could just sit down and have to do this. 45:17.555 --> 45:19.317 [SPEAKER_01]: I stood around there in the early 70s. 45:19.397 --> 45:22.719 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a jazz during high-end steak house. 45:22.759 --> 45:24.360 [SPEAKER_01]: I got lots of stories about the St. 45:24.380 --> 45:26.441 [SPEAKER_01]: But that said it was there the night he did that. 45:26.781 --> 45:27.982 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just walked away from him. 45:28.042 --> 45:29.403 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I'm not that good. 45:29.483 --> 45:30.383 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm about to 10% alone. 45:31.164 --> 45:37.708 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he tried so many writers after me and they all turned them down and spent a stream and never got his book. 45:38.888 --> 45:39.769 [SPEAKER_01]: And he just passed away. 45:39.789 --> 45:42.631 [SPEAKER_01]: But he was the numbers king of all of them. 45:42.731 --> 45:43.531 [SPEAKER_01]: And no, no, it. 45:46.080 --> 45:50.562 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, nobody in the, his name was in the press every now and then, but he, he was the man. 45:51.362 --> 45:51.843 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 45:52.723 --> 45:52.983 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 45:53.243 --> 45:54.484 [SPEAKER_00]: Next one is from Chey. 45:54.984 --> 45:58.546 [SPEAKER_00]: Chey says, hello, I was wondering if you knew Frankie Smug from Little Italy. 45:58.746 --> 46:00.667 [SPEAKER_00]: If so, could you share some stories about him? 46:01.567 --> 46:03.368 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't know him can't tell you a story. 46:03.788 --> 46:04.728 [SPEAKER_02]: Frankie Smugs. 46:05.869 --> 46:07.169 [SPEAKER_02]: What year you talking about? 46:08.070 --> 46:09.230 [SPEAKER_00]: Frankie Smug, I don't know. 46:09.630 --> 46:10.851 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, see, that's the whole thing. 46:10.871 --> 46:12.912 [SPEAKER_02]: See, most people don't realize it. 46:13.534 --> 46:32.729 [SPEAKER_02]: When I went to the hospital and got out, it's in my book, I never really went back down to a little earlier than that pasta, you know, I saw a call on the club and the Frankie Smuggs was sitting on his lap probably, I wouldn't have met him, but I don't know, Frankie Smuggs. 46:34.951 --> 46:35.672 [SPEAKER_02]: Moving on. 46:36.112 --> 46:37.413 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, next is from Mike. 46:38.371 --> 46:44.296 [SPEAKER_00]: Mike says hi, Mr. Russo, not sure if you remember me, but we sat next to each other on a flight coming back from San Diego in June. 46:45.017 --> 46:47.740 [SPEAKER_00]: You are a great company and we're telling these stories the entire flight. 46:48.000 --> 46:52.524 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have any good stories about Greg De Palma and the Westchester Premier Theater? 46:53.265 --> 46:53.625 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man. 46:53.685 --> 46:54.446 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my God. 46:54.666 --> 46:56.908 [SPEAKER_02]: We could talk, that's an episode. 46:57.248 --> 47:03.514 [SPEAKER_02]: Greg De Palma took a major major hit to protect St. Aatro and a couple other people. 47:04.280 --> 47:06.641 [SPEAKER_02]: because of that pay-all on those tickets. 47:07.202 --> 47:17.467 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's, I mean, Greg DiPama was an action guy with the Gambino's and they had the Westchester premiere there, and they were scalping tickets. 47:17.487 --> 47:22.730 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really not a qualifying story, but they got caught. 47:23.310 --> 47:27.452 [SPEAKER_02]: And to protect Sanatra, they took all the heat. 47:33.997 --> 47:35.578 [SPEAKER_01]: and the iconic picture. 47:36.138 --> 47:36.338 [SPEAKER_02]: Yep. 47:38.598 --> 47:39.499 [SPEAKER_02]: Moving on along. 47:40.999 --> 47:42.440 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, next is from Lewis. 47:42.540 --> 47:47.781 [SPEAKER_00]: Lewis's Johnny, who do you think has been the most powerful respected mob boss of all time? 47:49.942 --> 47:52.223 [SPEAKER_02]: Pick one. 47:52.443 --> 47:59.065 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say, I could pick three rados at the top of my head a card of Gambino and Castella. 48:01.368 --> 48:04.589 [SPEAKER_02]: and very respected to their dad to lay died. 48:04.609 --> 48:08.331 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, but I know what have been up there, right? 48:08.971 --> 48:13.553 [SPEAKER_01]: Screwed up on career at the end, got himself kidnapped in an idiot out of himself. 48:13.773 --> 48:14.874 [SPEAKER_02]: No, you mean, I mean, yeah. 48:15.574 --> 48:23.918 [SPEAKER_02]: That they're the only three I could, I could relate to that I know anything about, and I would have to say to lay died that we're respected. 48:26.579 --> 48:27.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Good answer. 48:27.599 --> 48:29.480 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, next one is from Joseph. 48:30.047 --> 48:36.193 [SPEAKER_00]: Joseph asks, how many episodes do you guys think you will do until you will be done with the podcast? 48:36.233 --> 48:38.014 [SPEAKER_02]: What makes you think we're going to stop? 48:40.336 --> 48:42.658 [SPEAKER_02]: We enjoy this as long as you keep tuning in. 48:43.699 --> 48:46.402 [SPEAKER_01]: As long as they're our gangsters, we will be here. 48:47.082 --> 48:48.364 [SPEAKER_02]: Or people trying to be with them. 48:48.844 --> 48:50.125 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 48:50.325 --> 48:51.226 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fun. 48:51.446 --> 48:53.088 [SPEAKER_02]: They make our lives colorful. 48:54.109 --> 48:55.170 [SPEAKER_02]: And give us material. 48:55.948 --> 49:01.812 [SPEAKER_02]: And your ladders and cards, everybody is listening, really contribute to the show as you could tell. 49:02.633 --> 49:05.975 [SPEAKER_01]: And if there's ever a slow moment, we can always sing with dance. 49:05.995 --> 49:06.475 [SPEAKER_01]: So whatever. 49:06.935 --> 49:08.016 [SPEAKER_02]: No, that ain't gonna happen. 49:08.036 --> 49:08.977 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, do that. 49:09.497 --> 49:10.158 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll let you do it. 49:10.178 --> 49:11.398 [SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't fly well on a podcast. 49:11.418 --> 49:13.420 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll let you sing in dance with this watch. 49:13.740 --> 49:14.300 [UNKNOWN]: Oh, my God. 49:14.320 --> 49:19.284 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, I think we will wrap it up on that note. 49:19.424 --> 49:20.024 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys think? 49:20.364 --> 49:22.306 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think, as long as we've got the time in, 49:26.398 --> 49:29.740 [SPEAKER_02]: to stay goodbye to you all, unfortunately. 49:30.200 --> 49:36.844 [SPEAKER_02]: Until next week, but please, the reviews make the difference with seeing our audiences grow. 49:37.744 --> 49:40.686 [SPEAKER_02]: Spread the word, we love you all, stay safe. 49:41.466 --> 49:42.187 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I pack? 49:42.667 --> 49:43.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Can I make it? 49:44.448 --> 49:45.188 [SPEAKER_02]: Until next week. 49:45.208 --> 49:46.369 [SPEAKER_01]: See you next week. 49:46.389 --> 49:46.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. 49:46.929 --> 49:48.050 [SPEAKER_02]: Good night. 49:48.530 --> 49:49.991 [SPEAKER_03]: If you're feeling sad 49:51.421 --> 50:12.910 [SPEAKER_03]: There's a service I could rent at I'm the one who loves you only I could be so unsatended Call me Don't be afraid you can call me Maybe it's late but just call me Tell me and I'll be around Oh man Thank you for tuning in to the Hollywood Godfather podcast 50:13.510 --> 50:27.374 [SPEAKER_00]: You can contact Gianni Russo, Patrick Pichorelli, or myself, Megan Haran, with your questions and comments to the contact section of our website, HollywoodGodfatherpodcast.com, which is where you can also subscribe to our weekly newsletter. 50:27.754 --> 50:30.615 [SPEAKER_00]: You can also call and leave us a message at 646-776-3038. 50:34.236 --> 50:40.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Remember to follow us on Instagram at Hollywood Godfather and on Facebook, as well as leave us a review on Apple podcasts. 50:41.058 --> 50:48.280 [SPEAKER_00]: We'd like to know what you'd like about what we're doing, what you'd like to hear in the future, and anything else you might suggest to improve our podcast. 50:48.820 --> 50:51.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Most importantly, hit the subscribe button. 50:51.541 --> 50:56.002 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week with stories of the mob and Hollywood, as well as answers to your messages. 50:56.442 --> 50:56.802 [SPEAKER_00]: Good night. 51:10.140 --> 51:11.024 [SPEAKER_03]: Give me your call.