[UNKNOWN]: Welcome back, Silasins at Large.
[UNKNOWN]: Season three of Silo is finally here, and Walshift Dust is back in Silo TV mode to dive into all of the details.
[UNKNOWN]: What happened?
[UNKNOWN]: What you might have missed, and what it means for the story so far, and what it might mean for the story going forward.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia, our resident reader of the Silo books and short stories.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm Luke Middett.
[UNKNOWN]: I am representing the show only fans.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to make sure that no future books spoil
[UNKNOWN]: The tin foil hat theories only stayed fresh if I remain unspoiled and I've so many tin foil hat theories breaks on this episode I had to go out and buy an entirely new sheet of tin foil.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't wait to hear them.
[UNKNOWN]: If you are new welcome, we're excited to have you along for our season 3 journey.
[UNKNOWN]: And just to, since it's a new season, just to briefly introduce ourselves again at my name's Alicia Brenner.
[UNKNOWN]: And I have a background in amongst other things psychology and the study of literature in film.
[UNKNOWN]: And I am based in Amsterdam.
[UNKNOWN]: and I'm based in Scotland.
[UNKNOWN]: At least she says I'm a professor.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish I was a professor.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll never get your title, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm going to associate lecturer in politics and international relations where the specialism in military history, at the University of Syvandrues.
[UNKNOWN]: And part of what I do is look at conflicts in the Middle East or the mostly from a British or American point of view.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't speak Arabic or Farsi.
[UNKNOWN]: But this tells you a bit about the parts of our backgrounds that will come into play in our discussion of what's going on in this show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not our only podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: So stick around until the end to hear about the other podcasts that each of us are engaged in.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is our,
[UNKNOWN]: The third season of full silo coverage here on the Walshift Dust feed, and so you'll find all of those past episodes in this feed, starting with in-depth analysis of the very first trailers for season one, sorry about the sound back then.
[UNKNOWN]: We've definitely improved a lot there, but basically all along the way, we've been dissecting every scene with lots of talks about the creators behind the scenes and the craft that goes into this plus interviews with
[UNKNOWN]: uh... key people like you how we uh... the writer of the novels and so chaos from the tb writers room so please go back and explore all of those episodes if you are if you have not yet in our interest
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and just to lay the ground rules of what will and won't be discussed, the discussion will be spoiler free beyond what's already aired because my innocence must be protected at the top costs, but there will be full spoilers for season 1 and 2, and now episode 1 of season 3, at least you can bring up anything in the books, it's already half and done screen, but nothing in the books that hasn't already happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're protecting the innocence of the non-book readers, but there is a separate book club that I will talk about more at the end of the episode that Abby and I do on the Patreon and Supercast feed.
[UNKNOWN]: So stay tuned if you are interested in that.
[UNKNOWN]: And there will be a season pass option again.
[UNKNOWN]: And we've also decided by the way that we did do two episodes so far reacting to the trailers that came out for this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And we talked about like the new cast members announced there and did our speculation based on the stuff there.
[UNKNOWN]: Some listeners requested last season so we'll keep that up this season that we not bring up anything from the trailers until that appears on screen.
[UNKNOWN]: So we will be avoiding that as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll just acknowledge that Luke, I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I sent you a really spoilery clip that I thought was from the first episode because you watched the first episode before I did.
[UNKNOWN]: We are not going to discuss that on this podcast until that clip airs.
[UNKNOWN]: And it because it turns out it was not this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It was our massive spoiler.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I had no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was just I'd assumed it was like the beginning of this episode But it looks like that the news outlet that that released it I think it was a mistake because I took it down after words.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay So yeah, it won't be this episode, but we'll tell you in a future episode when it does happen But Abby and I will be discussing it in the full spoiler book club
[UNKNOWN]: We do have screeners for this season, which is why we can get these episodes out as the embargo lifts midnight Pacific time on episode day, but we are not watching ahead of the episode that we're talking about right now, so any speculation we have is genuine.
[UNKNOWN]: And that includes any speculation that I have as the book reader.
[UNKNOWN]: The show is playing fast and loose with the book plot.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's lots of new characters that don't exist in the books and different characters have lived whereas others have died that are still alive in the books.
[UNKNOWN]: So if I am speculating on something, I promise it's genuine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not being fake.
[UNKNOWN]: I genuinely do not know most of the time where a certain plot line is going.
[UNKNOWN]: outline of this story.
[UNKNOWN]: So if there's something that comes up that I do know the answer to based on the books, then I will just say I can't answer that and we'll move on.
[UNKNOWN]: Just one extra piece of note keeping.
[UNKNOWN]: We are recording this during the week of the big European heat wave.
[UNKNOWN]: So my computer decided to do a fun thing where the graphics card stops working in the heat.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have a trained fan on it.
[UNKNOWN]: If you hear that humming in the background, sorry, it'll be a little bit quieter in future episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: But I then I'll try to edit out the gear.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe you don't hear it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, let's talk about episode one of season three.
[UNKNOWN]: Who are you?
[UNKNOWN]: 52 minutes long.
[UNKNOWN]: Who?
[UNKNOWN]: Who are you?
[UNKNOWN]: 52 minutes long, directed by Michael Dinner, who's one of the main directors of the series, he's past couple seasons, he also directed season two, episodes one, two, six and seven, and he's directing episodes one through three of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And this episode was written by Graham Yost, the showrunner of the show, who's otherwise best known for justified.
[UNKNOWN]: But of course, it's based on the silo series of books by Hugh Howie, namely the primary trilogy, wool, shift, and dust, hence the name of this podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is the penultimate season.
[UNKNOWN]: The show is going to end with season four, which is already been filmed.
[UNKNOWN]: And these two seasons are mostly mixing together stuff from the second book, Shift, and the, which is like the origin story that all the stuff that's happening in the Washington DC storyline.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um,
[UNKNOWN]: And eventually the third book dust, they're definitely going to be covering that in the season as well to keep going with the Juliette side of the storyline.
[UNKNOWN]: This one though, this first episode is picking up from the season two cliffhanger and includes elements from the very end of the first book.
[UNKNOWN]: Whoa.
[UNKNOWN]: So this first episode was released Friday, July 3rd, 2026 on Apple TV and just a quick summary.
[UNKNOWN]: Three months after the events of the season two finale Juliet has been made mayor of silo 18, but she's having trouble remembering her life before that.
[UNKNOWN]: both her friends in the down deep and the series of events that turned her into a hero for the silo at large.
[UNKNOWN]: Interlaced through these scenes, we catch glimpses of Junior Congressman Daniel and his sister Charlotte and Navy fighter jet pilot and the other inhabitants of Washington DC in a world that looks a lot like our own.
[UNKNOWN]: So Luke, what are your overall thoughts on this season premiere?
[UNKNOWN]: I thought they did a really good job of meshing and managing the two story lines because I was a bit, I was a bit worried about how they were going to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I thought the where we are with Juliette's.
[UNKNOWN]: is an interesting plane so though I kind of hope she gets her memory back relatively quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: We had like a whole season of her wondering around solving puzzles.
[UNKNOWN]: The last year I kind of don't want another another season of that and also just break my heart to see how upset she early is.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want the mechanical gang back together.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought the Washington D.C. part of the story, the present day part of the story set up a lot of really interesting questions, mostly what is that go?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they did say they it was sort of mentioned, it was sort of flagged in the trailers, but I'm going to take a slide in at that point because aliens,
[UNKNOWN]: or maybe aliens, kind of aliens.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't take an internet point until you're proven correct.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay, I got a ticket in that point, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I kinda wanna see where Walker is.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't pop up all this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We noticed, I mean, we said, we will talk about not, we won't talk about what's in the trailer, but what we noticed was not in the trailer was anything about characters who did not show up in this episode, like the other or Lucas.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a question.
[UNKNOWN]: um yeah and there was no also uh there was no silo 17 at all this week um which is where solo and the kids are.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have any thoughts about what might be going on over there?
[UNKNOWN]: Well I guess that kind of makes sense because Julia um was a monster memory so we don't know what's going on over there and obviously no one in silo 18.
[UNKNOWN]: knows that they're so, I kind of think that's choice by the writers to put us in the shoes of the stylisms of silo 18 for an episode, so I don't think it necessarily means anything bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I'm just a recap for anyone who's having a fuzzy memory about it last season,
[UNKNOWN]: and Rick and Audrey's baby.
[UNKNOWN]: So hopefully we'll find out more about them soon.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, my thoughts about this, I thought it was a good start to the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very intrigued, you know, as a book reader, some things are exciting to me where I'm like, oh, okay, so they are confirming that they're doing
[UNKNOWN]: it's going to be the same solution as the book it seems based on things that have been laid out but they're getting there in totally different ways and it's interesting to me the new characters introduce this episode the ones in the Washington DC timeline are all from the book and the new characters introduced in silo 18 are all new with one exception who I think is actually a
[UNKNOWN]: interesting and just yeah as far as book stuff just a morning up front that Daniel's name has been changed in the book from Donald.
[UNKNOWN]: So if I say Donald just know I mean Daniel every time I get the word Daniel to come out of my mouth for that character.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a minor wind.
[UNKNOWN]: But Joey get into the episode itself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's.
[UNKNOWN]: Your regularly scheduled breakdown will begin in three, two, one.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to be going plot by plot rather than seen by scene.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're going to focus first today on what's going on in silo 18.
[UNKNOWN]: And then on the new characters in Washington, D.C. in that world, where and whatever that takes place.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's start with, did you notice that they changed the intro?
[UNKNOWN]: They did, they made it sort of slightly darker.
[UNKNOWN]: They changed, I can't really point them in on how they changed the music, but they definitely changed.
[UNKNOWN]: the intro music as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like softer and thinner.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, different quality to it.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, indeed, it's like darker and like maybe it's greener or a later bluer, like I did a side-by-side comparison and the other ones and more oranges and reds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, is that because we started off in mechanical and we're now sort of moving to the the mids
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, because a lot of the elements are about death.
[UNKNOWN]: So if I run through quickly, the changes, so both of them start by zooming in on an entrance to the silo, but in the previous version, it was closed, and now that entrance to the silo is open, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: we don't get, there's a spiral stair clip that we had in the original that now instead, we just immediately zoomed down the center of the silo, which is a brighter light in there without the flex of light that we're floating through before.
[UNKNOWN]: And it seems like there's this thing where there's these sort of light ghosts of people going through the silo, now they are parser and dimmer, like there's fewer people.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then there's other things like there was always, there was the peach stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a peach that was decaying in the ground and then later falling.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't get that in the new version.
[UNKNOWN]: Instead, we go directly to the forest, which used to be lush and green in the intro.
[UNKNOWN]: But now it's dead and then this, this dim light, no leaves on the trees.
[UNKNOWN]: And instead of a ripe peach falling, we get a rotten, I first thought it was a pumpkin, but now I think it might be an apple.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's an apple.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: has a stem which is so peach we've already identified peach keeps being brought up in the show Helen made a reference in season two finale we've got a reference in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: The Georgia state is the peach state and now you know we've met like for of the new characters we've met most of them are from Georgia so there you go so that's the connection there.
[UNKNOWN]: The apple.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was looking it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, could it be also a state?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's that would be Washington state, but there's no book link there.
[UNKNOWN]: And just for any non-Americans Washington state is on the other side of the country from Washington, D.C.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, do you have any thoughts about the peach to apple change and hold to writing?
[UNKNOWN]: Now, except, yeah, that there's an implication that the silo is in trouble, is dying, is rotting.
[UNKNOWN]: Now is that kind of literal, or is it metaphorical for all the lois and
[UNKNOWN]: You know, perceptions that we know have been going on in season one and two, or are we just overthinking it quite possibly?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we do.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why you're listening to us.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'll say that a lot more people died in the revolt in the book than we saw happen in the TV show.
[UNKNOWN]: We really only had like pop a nickels and I guess Cooper died.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, and now we also, the new thing we get, instead of this prolonged sequence of the glowing people in like these silo outlines, now we get a tower of gears, the zooms out to reveal some sort of
[UNKNOWN]: steampunk orey, which is a model of the, like a mechanical model of the solar system, although you don't, we don't get a full view of it, but it almost looks like our Earth is at the center, but that's, I don't know, I tried looking through that a few times and I couldn't really tell how the orey was laid out.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, why is it, isn't that, isn't that, isn't that, didn't we see that model of the solar system in the vault?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in the vault and
[UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, there was before, like, it would just end with a glowing gear dissolving into the title, which we do come to eventually in this version, but first is a few new things, who's some kind of circular hatch, where a central aperture opens, like a camera.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, yeah, there's camera motifs.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe it's tied to that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we get a dome of the capital building in Washington, DC, which is in brittle stone in the darkness.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, that's obviously a location in the series now.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then we get a close up of the top of a light bulb zooming in on the filaments.
[UNKNOWN]: Not completely sure what that's about.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we get the glowing bitty people in the impressionistic silo levels in, in, in orange you now, um, but now we also have other silo's visible around it because obviously we know now that there are multiple silo's.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, it we we get the top down view with the silo with six more silos around it and then it ends the same way dissolving into the title through the gear.
[UNKNOWN]: Any any more thoughts on that opening and what it might mean.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, not really.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Should we get into the, yeah, let's get into the meat drinker.
[UNKNOWN]: So, so, okay, let's start with in silo 18, Julia's missing memories, Julia Nichols, Rebecca Ferguson, now mayor of silo 18 is recovering from her fiery re-entrance into the silo in season in the season two finale.
[UNKNOWN]: Only she's having trouble remembering what exactly she did to earn all this fame.
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't even seem to remember her old friends Nox, Shane McRae, Shirley, Remi, Milner, or Deputy Hank Murphy, Billy Puzzle-Thwaite.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she doesn't seem to remember her dad either, so I wonder what memory she doesn't remember anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, does she remember anything at all?
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't even remember that she doesn't like mushrooms, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But head of IT, Camille Sims, played by Alexandra Riley, hovers over every interaction with these people, the living ones anyway, making sure she focuses on their function in the silo while mostly forgetting their friendship.
[UNKNOWN]: But her nurse Amy, Jacqueline Berses, reminds Juliet that the silo is at peace because of you because you came back.
[UNKNOWN]: So, do you think that's true?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that silo is a more peaceful place because Juliette doesn't remember the other silo as to tell people?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, I think she, yes, and also, you know, the thing at season 10, where she piled up the sign to the camera for people not to go outside, although we'll come back to that in a bit, I imagine.
[UNKNOWN]: But, yeah, I think this is a lailed, this is a lailed, the Sims is,
[UNKNOWN]: as judge and head of IT to spin a story that can incorporate the rebellion and can say that the rebels were right and they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they were fine, they
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was wondering, like, are Knox and Shirley starting to regret working with Camille last season?
[UNKNOWN]: And it, cause it seems like, you know, as you said, Knox, Hank, and especially Shirley seem devastated that Julia doesn't know who they are.
[UNKNOWN]: And indeed, Julia doesn't know about her father's death.
[UNKNOWN]: Which, like, she had to be told about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, sort of this abstract way, like, oh, is that where you died, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen Abby's probably going to call out Hank looks devastated, but he doesn't mention that he's the one who dropped the timer that made him have to close up.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, come on, come on.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, I mean, we're not gonna mention that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you like what?
[UNKNOWN]: Why wouldn't you?
[UNKNOWN]: But it's interesting that with Knox and Shirley, it's almost like Knox seems to buy into what Camille saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's like, oh, we just have to wait.
[UNKNOWN]: She says so, and Shirley is like bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: We've been waiting two months.
[UNKNOWN]: How much longer do we have to wait?
[UNKNOWN]: I think the thing is with Knox.
[UNKNOWN]: He has still had a mechanical.
[UNKNOWN]: So to some extent, he is still part of the power structure, that runs the silent.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's a part of this new councillor that's set up, that's all come back to it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just think Knox has more on his plate than Shirley does, like he has more to distract himself.
[UNKNOWN]: then sure he goes, because it actually takes knocks a wire in season 2 to come over to the, to come over to the site of completely standing up, so I tell you, you know, he's the one who's in season 2 who's looking for a compromise, looking for a way out, because he's ahead of mechanical, he's got responsibilities, he's got, you know, maybe hundreds of
[UNKNOWN]: Nox is a good guy, he will do the right thing in the end, but I think he's very aware of his responsibilities and so if he can avoid, if he can avoid an argument he will, we're surely we'll cross the street to find an argument, that's just the nature of our first and our second.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think it's also important, you know, in terms of being the role follower, it's important to remember that in this version of the story, it's different in the book, but in this version of the story, Knox is the one who turned, sorry, turned Juliet in when she was on the run and hiding after, you know, when Bernard was looking for her at the end of the first season.
[UNKNOWN]: So he definitely is more following the role.
[UNKNOWN]: wanted one thing I wanted more to find out more about in this episode which we didn't it's our knocks and surely a couple was that they decided that they thought better off it you know it's been it's been three months
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, that's, yeah, that is a good question because I also wonder like, are there if they're feeling this way about things and we'll talk more about implications that surely might be involved in some other activities?
[UNKNOWN]: Are they still on the same side of things?
[UNKNOWN]: Are they still, you know, does nox think like overbellions done and surely things know it's not?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just, I just, I just bet that probably is the, I just bet that probably is the case.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, also, I, I, I, I want, I want trucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Sherlock's yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, no, I hope that they are still together But they might have to go through some stuff because yeah, show likes to put people through stuff Intern personally and for example, okay, so this here's a here's a bone thrown out for the people who believe that Surely sorry, yeah, that's surely in Juliette.
[UNKNOWN]: Surely yet might have been a coupling in the prior times before the show started
[UNKNOWN]: When they have their garden room talk later, she says, Camille told me we used to be good friends and she says, that's one way of putting it.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's that's a bone for the, I mean, I wouldn't be completely opposed to that.
[UNKNOWN]: But in my head, Canon, they've always been just like surrogates sisters too, because neither of them had much, well, Julia was estranged on her family and as far as we know, Shirley doesn't seem to have had much in the way of family.
[UNKNOWN]: badmoth yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well didn't um when they showed the flashbacks uh uh what's that last season or season before?
[UNKNOWN]: Anyone when they showed the flashbacks to their childhood didn't surely she offered Julia to come live with her and her family right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah but we never see them we never hear anything about them.
[UNKNOWN]: No we don't know if they're still around or why yeah yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think is going on with these quote unquote vitamins that I just took that straight away is that they're the memory suppressor drugs that that uh I'm soon as was telling Patrick Kennedy about last last season.
[UNKNOWN]: I do wonder, since they're pointing at it so hard, part of me always wonders in that case if it's a possible misdirect.
[UNKNOWN]: But let's say.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, probably possibly, but there's that better the end where the algorithm goes, double the dosage, and then you see, they put down a lot more pills than we're there at the beginning of the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we do see Julia looking in the mirror and I think we were speculating in the trailer stuff that she doesn't remember that about the cameras there and we find out later that they've all been told that most of the cameras have been removed.
[UNKNOWN]: I like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Define most, Robert.
[UNKNOWN]: We talk in 50% that we talk in 60% that we talk in 60% what are we talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he took down like two cameras and he's like, I did something.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but we see also the Juliet has a shoulder wound and that is of course from where Audrey shot her with an arrow, last season when they first met in the other silo, um, but she also has some looks like burn marks on her neck and hands.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess that's from where like the fire could reach under her helmet or her gloves.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would think so.
[UNKNOWN]: before I watched episode one, I went back and watched, we watched season two just again, just to remind myself.
[UNKNOWN]: And actually, if you watch episode 10, so we're Bernard and,
[UNKNOWN]: Julia, get burned.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't quiet.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, watch it carefully.
[UNKNOWN]: You can see that Bernard actually got falls on top of her to protect her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I had to protect her.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know whether it's to protect her or whether it's just he happens to fall for that way, but he definitely falls on top of her.
[UNKNOWN]: So it does make sense that she is much less A because of the suit, which we'll talk about, but B just because of the mechanics of it, it does make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: She is less badly burned
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say there's something similar in the books where it's it's different in the book she knows she's going to like be meant by fire when she comes back so she makes it's fire proof right blanket.
[UNKNOWN]: But when yeah when she comes in like Bernard kind of kicks out of the blanket and there's always question was he doing that to protect her or what's why did he.
[UNKNOWN]: you know leave the projection of the blanket and I always interpreted it as protecting her and I feel like in this show they made it more explicit because they had the talk beforehand and we'll come back to this scene when you know bit but they had the talk beforehand about where she has some information about the silo because she found out about this so-called safeguard procedure
[UNKNOWN]: So we don't know what all she knows about that, because they cut away from her and solo investigating.
[UNKNOWN]: But she knows something.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's the thing that's like, you know, eating at her brain.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, I know there's something important, but it's something important.
[UNKNOWN]: And but she told Bernard about this.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, oh, that's important.
[UNKNOWN]: We can use that info to save the silo.
[UNKNOWN]: And that would be a reason why he would save her.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't expect.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you recognize that the nurse, Amy, is the same nurse who was taking care of Gloria in season 1?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw that in the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: No, this is like, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So is that suspicious or coincidental?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm smelling judicial or I'm smelling judicial or all over that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just because especially it's interesting because Gloria was also on some sort of medication There wasn't it wasn't making her forget in the same way the Juliet is, but it was sort of detaching her from reality.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll just say that this is a book difference with Juliet losing her memory like this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not something that happens in the book, but it's probably, you know, and this is something I thought, I know where in the book lore this comes from, and it is the same thing I think they were teasing at with Gloria's story in the Flame Keepers in season one episode seven, but I think this bit about Juliet,
[UNKNOWN]: Losing her memories likely inspired by these lines at the end of the first book wool?
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't just that the burns were bad, it was that they were everywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: The days of recovery were spent sliding in and out of painkiller fogs.
[UNKNOWN]: Julia came out of what felt like a deep dream, weeks of haze, nightmares of drowning and burning, of being outside, of dozens of silos just like hers.
[UNKNOWN]: The drugs had kept the pain at bay, but her consciousness too.
[UNKNOWN]: she didn't mind the stings and aches if it meant winning back her mind it was an easy trade.
[UNKNOWN]: So I feel like that's probably describes where she's at by the end of this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Although, like you say, it's a bit different because these drugs are deliberately designed to sort of like you say dissociate.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: In this case, it seems to mostly have been like because she was on pink colors or, you know, just having medication knocking her out because she was burnt all over.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I was noticing she keeps ordering soup for dinner.
[UNKNOWN]: And I, at first I was like, is it to get the messages that she will talk about later, but no, she seems surprising.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets out at the end of the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was wondering, is she does she keep ordering soup because part of her remembers eating soup with solo in silo 17?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, possibly been Amy even mentioned it.
[UNKNOWN]: He will always order soup.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And um,
[UNKNOWN]: They said this episode does a couple of good lines, like the algorithm as well.
[UNKNOWN]: This isn't her remembering a dislike for Mushroom.
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't like the algorithm, the stuff that we javed it, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, like, Camille came in and said, she remembers she doesn't like mushrooms.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, chill.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not an important memory to surprise.
[UNKNOWN]: It's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: If she knows she doesn't like mushrooms, it's not okay if she remembers the other silos.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I say, I hope this memory loss thing doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: as a plot point doesn't drag on through the entire season, just because I think we've had a lot of, and we've had a lot of, really, since season one of, Juliette goes round solving problems, or Juliette goes round solving a mystery solving a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd like Juliette to, I'd like Juliette to get off the problem solving train a little bit and just develop a bit more as a character,
[UNKNOWN]: I would particularly put it into into the role of being Mayor because of the moment, yes, she is the Mayor, but she's obviously being manipulated by Camille and everybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd like to see a Julia with her memories back or at least partly back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm actually kind of growing into that role of it.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say here that a link, a blog post in the show notes to you how he's blog, it's an entry called Let's Not Forget and I will warn upfront, do not read it if you do not want book spoilers.
[UNKNOWN]: It does have book spoilers in it, but just generally he's like saying, okay, the season's coming up now, book readers brace yourself, they're going to be changes.
[UNKNOWN]: And he explains the thinking behind the changes, which is something we're going to be exploring all season.
[UNKNOWN]: So Abby and I were talking about it in the book spoiler section.
[UNKNOWN]: I will wait until these themes are spoken aloud in here.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I'll just echo what he says.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's just be patient because there's a reason that they're doing this plot and it's just kind of to show how special Juliet is in a way really, how she might react differently in certain scenarios than many other people would.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but where we are at the moment, it kind of reminds me of
[UNKNOWN]: not Bernard in in in Tyler but Bernard in Westworld.
[UNKNOWN]: If people have seen Westworld where his whole deck is a character for like a season and a half seemed to be wondering around with a slightly confused look on his face the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: And it got kind of wearing after a while.
[UNKNOWN]: and like a bit worried that we've got to be going down this, because actually I think I said this last season, but all that Julie yet is the main character in Sala.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't personally find it to be the most interesting character.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we brought up also, I think at our trailer talk about Damon and season two of House of the Dragon, where that was a book expansion that people were retired of, but I don't think that's what's happening here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we're, we already see her by the end of this fighting her way back where she's like, she just, you know, she's been defined first and foremost as a curious person, and that doesn't just,
[UNKNOWN]: you know, you can change a personality by changing.
[UNKNOWN]: You can change your way of person dresses by taking the memories and telling them, these are normal clothes you like to wear.
[UNKNOWN]: Surely just being really just can bump you like you do it the floor, but you really are wearing your dress.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, that's the same design dress that Mayor John the swore.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, and he's more.
[UNKNOWN]: So presumably it's something to do with the office of right there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not just
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, presumably she's just like taking out of Mary John's closet because what you see.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know Julia.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's a good deal to all of them Tell her you think I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Mary John's is still pretty tall.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't have to go back home.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have to go back and watch.
[UNKNOWN]: She's a one more cut.
[UNKNOWN]: No, probably it's a Chandler for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I just want to point out to other people that are seen in the scene.
[UNKNOWN]: One is a delivery person named Tony play by two-way in Barrett.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a feeling that he will be showing up more this season.
[UNKNOWN]: He seems lovely so far.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we will mention him again at the end of this section of the Salo 18 section.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the other one is the guarded her door who's later seen following her around the silo that he doesn't do much yet is deputy Jerry play by Leon Akpan and this is the same guy who A was afraid of Sims while holding him in jail in season one.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember that scene with like the peanut gallery of comments he's like, you should we get him coffee?
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone nods.
[UNKNOWN]: Should we let him call someone?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's also the scared deputy that Bernard made stay behind in the season two finale to help him put on his suit.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's pretty strongly liking a little bit of like Bonnie Gardening due to, you know, doesn't see anything too complicated.
[UNKNOWN]: Juliet is definitely less scary than Sims and Bernard.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's take a quick break here when we come back, we're going to ask some burning questions along with Juliet.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, snippets of Juliette's memories float back to her and her sleep, of her final confrontation with Bernard Holland, Tim Robbins, before they re-entered the silo and were burned.
[UNKNOWN]: When she tells Camille about this dream, saying there's something she has to do but can't remember what it is, Camille reminds her that she can't talk to Bernard and guides her through breathing exercises to calm down.
[UNKNOWN]: Robert Sims, common, who has been watching all of this from the janitor's closet control room, takes Julia to see the place where she and Bernard burn together.
[UNKNOWN]: He reminds her that Bernard was not wearing a fire suit, and thus he died in that fire, and he was incinerated.
[UNKNOWN]: But when he debriefs his wife, we see Sims smothering Bernard with a plastic sheet.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it's Sims further, like we have our Sims Narts scale.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's the Sims Narts scale for anyone who doesn't have anything to say.
[UNKNOWN]: So, the Sims Narts scale is we have, it's four month homes.
[UNKNOWN]: Sims and Bernard won't end as the body is the bad bodies, but we kind of, we kind of switch around a bit of who is the good, just the good, good goodies.
[UNKNOWN]: But Julia is normally like the placeholder.
[UNKNOWN]: But this would call it the Sims non-scale because the person at the good end tends to change it a little bit, but Sims no longer always the people at the bad end.
[UNKNOWN]: But who is now more sims than our sims or Bernard?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think I'm just going to be sims.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Bernard may or may not have deliberately sacrificed himself to say you've juliet.
[UNKNOWN]: Many of sims just stay out there being sims, dropping bodies.
[UNKNOWN]: So got to be sims, but dropping them in a fire, dropping them in again, dropping them in a similar way, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so like the port is the carrying that body down.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope they got a really good tip.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause that had to be heavy.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, that is a callback in a way to something that Abbey and I have long since accepted, we're not getting in the TV version, which is,
[UNKNOWN]: So shift, the book is, it does flash, you know, does do like the origin of the whole, whatever's going on in Washington DC, but it also flashed back within silos 17 and 18 to the background with solo and 17 and in 18 to the prior revolution.
[UNKNOWN]: So we got different versions of both of those already last season, which makes total sense to me.
[UNKNOWN]: So we've already actually kind of covered half of shift, which is why we can do shift in half of, like, dust or, you know, basically go back and forth like that for this season.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's, um, in the flashback to silo 18, there's this whole storyline with this character called Mission and another Mrs. Crow character that's like the better placed by the flame keepers concept.
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, there's a big scene in there where mission sneaking around the silo by hiding inside of a body bag.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we kind of got that with Papa Nichols last season when
[UNKNOWN]: more like it.
[UNKNOWN]: And you just get this prolonged description of how sweaty and uncomfortable it is to carry a body bag.
[UNKNOWN]: You think you can always start leaning from personal experience?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how many body bags is carried up spiral stairs.
[UNKNOWN]: Apparently it took six-pointers, six hours to carry him down.
[UNKNOWN]: So I feel like that's like a, okay, from the writer.
[UNKNOWN]: So ignore future inevitable silo jetpacking, because...
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I mean, so Sim says, but I can't help you because I watched him burn, which to be fair, he also watched him burn in that quote unquote box of fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I did have questions about the corpse wrapped in plastic because like you don't want a burn plastic.
[UNKNOWN]: That's toxic, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say that's going to put off really unpleasant smoke.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm probably thinking too hard about that.
[UNKNOWN]: But it looked like he was in a different bag when it was put in the, uh, in the incinerator.
[UNKNOWN]: In this explains where there's visuals of sim and a red, I guess, fire suit.
[UNKNOWN]: We saw in the trailer come from too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's interesting Sim says it flames eight holes in Bernard's non-insulated suits so the poison could get in so He was yeah, it's that a lie.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that was a bit weird because if it's a lie, why make it up like
[UNKNOWN]: And why don't you just have him kill by the fire?
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Why say that extra thing?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it would make sense that that would happen because Bernard didn't have an insulated suit.
[UNKNOWN]: So it seems like it should melt him and Let whatever get in, but then why if that's the case why would Sims need to smother him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it doesn't really make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we also hear that, yeah, basically what happened after the, you know, that abrupt cut off at the end of last season is that that burn lasted three minutes and then your friends, they said presumably, surely an ox could get you out.
[UNKNOWN]: So I do think it's interesting at this point and obviously this changes as it goes on, but at this point she does she doesn't even question who these friends are and obviously she's been told it's Camille, but you would think
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess I shouldn't criticize because by the end of the episode, she is seeking out Camille.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, hey, we were sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Why am I saying Camille?
[UNKNOWN]: Surely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm truly.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's saying, hey, we were friends, like, can you be a friend to me now?
[UNKNOWN]: I need a friend but it's basically what she's saying and Shirley walks away with from her, but we'll talk about that.
[UNKNOWN]: It does, do you think we had some discussion in our trailer breakdowns about the Sims and whether or not they're working together?
[UNKNOWN]: It seems like they are still working together.
[UNKNOWN]: They are, they are now.
[UNKNOWN]: I am not convinced they will be by the end of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, because we see Camilla looks up at the vents where she knows her husband's watching via the camera.
[UNKNOWN]: So they are kind of like the ultimate power a couple that they always hoped for.
[UNKNOWN]: They are, but I just don't think.
[UNKNOWN]: a guy as driven and the guy as focused as Robert Sims and the guy who has put a lot of work in to trying to become the IT shadow.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll just accept that it was just because like the the the the the dynamics of their marriage have always been that like Camille is the one on the background.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sims is the one on the foreground.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, they've been a part on the ship, but he's always been the senior more visible Partner in that and I just don't think Sims is going to react Well at the end of the day to the power dynamic shifting in the ways it is inevitably going to because she has access to the algorithm and he doesn't
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, yeah, that is the question is, I mean, I guess she, I'm sure she's been told.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Sims was kicked out of the algorithm room, so the presumably said that the algorithm could tell, Camille, the stuff we saw Bernard tell, Lucas last time, and presumably told her you may not share that's with your husband.
[UNKNOWN]: There wasn't a role for them in the episode and the hours child actors could do, but I thought it was telling we don't see Anthony that Simms the sun in this episode either because I like You know, I wonder I I wonder whether they've moved in to Bernard's over department Because I wonder whether I wonder whether the algorithm has its own cameras
[UNKNOWN]: in the apartment that aren't born into, they aren't born into the widest surveillance network.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, could be, could be.
[UNKNOWN]: There's like backup cameras that even sims as I know about.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: Because the algorithm is going to want to keep the head of IT on this some kind of device.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there is, we know there's a bed room in the that, you know, the vault basically in case it's needed in case, you know, the head of IT needs to seal themselves off.
[UNKNOWN]: but considering things are peaceful in the silo now, presumably, Camille does not have to stay there and would want to go home with her family, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you catch that Rick Omanson, he of the stapler for a hard drive, die unceremoniously off-screen, they said, oh, they only found Rick Omanson's body two weeks ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Did they find Rick Harland's as part of AI?
[UNKNOWN]: I have questions, I have questions about that.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, maybe he'll pop back up, but I did wonder if it's just like a thing you do if the actor was just not available to film, and they're like, okay, well, let's write him out in a line then.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it wasn't like Almondson was a big character.
[UNKNOWN]: But they were setting stuff up with his wife and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they were setting stuff up with his wife.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe it's just one of those things where you're in the rise room.
[UNKNOWN]: You think this looks really good, but actually, you know, we've got, we only got 20 more episodes or how many episodes left.
[UNKNOWN]: We just can't fit this in.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's all over.
[UNKNOWN]: It does have a lot going on at the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe it was just a plot line they had to lose, but I'm not 100% convinced the Robinson is dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I mean, yeah, if it was to save time and they did like there's a new character now.
[UNKNOWN]: We see standing behind Sims where Omenson used to stand so presumably second and command.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw in the credits her name is Emerson.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so she'll come back up again later, but
[UNKNOWN]: Do you get Diego obvious is there just chugging away, brushing his buttons, telling us what's going on, telling us what's going on, there you go, this.
[UNKNOWN]: These being ambitious last season, we'll see if you can get that.
[UNKNOWN]: We also get a shot of Camille telling, like, it would all fan shot of Camille telling an IT employee to remove a bunch of something.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, what are we censoring here?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this data?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this video?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this the video she later shows Julia?
[UNKNOWN]: Would she trust that to a random person on the floor in IT or they just random censorship?
[UNKNOWN]: Like we found it, like we heard with from Allison in episode one where her paper on how to restore deleted data
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: how much do you believe he almost he sounds sincere but when when since says I hope you get more of your memory back I really do that can't be true right now I can't be true but I do think the next bit is he means it particularly why you help my wife and child at gun point okay yes maybe he does want to know that and maybe this is something that can be a nose about the drugs the Julia's getting to forget and maybe
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, no, I said, yeah, Sims, AGBP always got to be petty.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know about being petty, you know, you're wife and Joe, we're kidnaps.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think he knows why.
[UNKNOWN]: He knows it was about the videos.
[UNKNOWN]: He does, but doesn't remember the only kind of makes it, but...
[UNKNOWN]: But like, Julia's still sassy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she's like, I may not remember anything, but do you know what I don't remember?
[UNKNOWN]: Would the fuck you are in why I should get?
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's interesting that I think it's, you know, we talked a lot about Martha and her gorephobia and I talked about having generalized anxiety disorder and that's something that, you know, you deal with the lifetime to come over, but it's an interesting, I felt represented in the way that Julie had has this sort of alarm bell going off in her head that's like something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong, something's wrong, and she's just like searching for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what's wrong?
[UNKNOWN]: What's wrong?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what the feeling of generalizing anxiety is.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I felt like that was well represented.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then, you know, I see her reach out to Shirley and then Shirley just freaking walks away from her.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think about?
[UNKNOWN]: I know we feel bad.
[UNKNOWN]: The Shirley feels bad.
[UNKNOWN]: But how do we feel about how Shirley's handling it?
[UNKNOWN]: With Juliet?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean,
[UNKNOWN]: She's not handling it well, but then again, who would, you know, this is a weird set of circumstances.
[UNKNOWN]: Even but I mean, it's literally an unprecedented set of circumstances.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm prepared to cook Shirley quite a lot of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, alright.
[UNKNOWN]: But let's check in with Madam Mayor, Juliette is now being trotted out as the figurehead for council meetings in weekly town halls, which are really being run by Judge Sims.
[UNKNOWN]: At the council meeting of the silos, level reps and department heads, Sims blames all the silos prior problems on Bernard, saying he claimed too much power, more than he says were granted by the pact.
[UNKNOWN]: He says when rebellion came, Sims and his wife decided it was time for change for transparency.
[UNKNOWN]: Sims introduces Mayor Juliette, who hesitantly declares the first silo council meeting open.
[UNKNOWN]: So we used to surprise, I guess we talked about this a bit before, but for the main episode, we surprised to see Juliette was Mayor, only Mayor swore in an hospital bed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, I think this is stretching credibility a little, but because surely like everybody else can see the same thing that surely can see that like she's not actually, it's obviously she's not running the meeting like, Camille takes over pretty much right away.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody's going with Judge Meadows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but just my those I think, just my those was, I think played the role much better than Julia, uh, uh, is okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it seems like when it comes to Julia at people at this council meeting or at the weekly town hall, whatever, um, people are blinded by her celebrity and I don't, I, I, I just emphasize, I urge people to never underestimate how oblivious people choose to be about things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, people just want the rebellion to be over and one things to be good and now the celebrity mayors and charge and everything's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course the judge runs the meetings.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Julia clearly not enjoying the council meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: She's giving me my own personal post-COVID vibes where she's like, oh, I can't like get me out of these crowds.
[UNKNOWN]: We can you imagine if real Julia,
[UNKNOWN]: Were there like how she would be kicking up a fuss about being forced to attend these meetings Oh, yes, she was she wouldn't she'd be she'd be right there with harwood He will talk about it and first like what's the point of that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we said of course the clothes are not her and Camille even says I know you don't like these appearances, but the people need to see you so it's really confirming that she's just there Visually as a symbol.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Where did you think about the fan girls at the weekly?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought that was a really good way of showing like, want you to get status in the silo isn't it?
[UNKNOWN]: Because they're like trading trinkets that allegedly belonged to, to Julia.
[UNKNOWN]: So she's like, this quasi-mythical, they go at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and we have Regina Jackson's play by so need to Henry is back and sorry in the second I listen back to our second trailer breakdown and I kept accidentally calling her Georgiana because I was conflating her with George and she's George's ex Regina the one with a big fluffy cat.
[UNKNOWN]: No, the big fluffy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So she's back and she is known for trading in relics.
[UNKNOWN]: So it makes sense that she would be there to, you know, she shows up with this sheriff's badge and trades the Fangirls for the stuffed dog.
[UNKNOWN]: The Juliet saved from recycling after her brother died.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we later saw on her father's shelf in his apartment that he kept it all those years.
[UNKNOWN]: and apparently someone looted his apartment after his death, took the dog.
[UNKNOWN]: And now I was, I even did like a side by side of what it looks like before.
[UNKNOWN]: And now, and they, these cruel people, they've like rubbed off all of the fuds on it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they just, it was in good shape on this shelf for years.
[UNKNOWN]: And now within weeks, people have just rubbed it bare bones.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, wouldn't that just be recycling going into everybody's apartment after they've died?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, maybe it's recycling, who took it?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's not deliberately looted.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the girls made a sound like somebody deliberately took it because of the link, but it could have been someone from a cycling to someone in between, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, okay, but question about Regina.
[UNKNOWN]: So we see she and Juliet see each other.
[UNKNOWN]: Juliet, of course, doesn't recognize her.
[UNKNOWN]: She does recognize Juliet.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably doesn't realize it.
[UNKNOWN]: Juliet doesn't recognize her, but so it makes sense that she's there doing this as a relics trader that she, it's known that that's, you know, what she is, especially since she was kind of forced into only doing illegal activity by.
[UNKNOWN]: George and the events that unfolded and we're talking about in season one.
[UNKNOWN]: But do you think there's any possibility that she intentionally went after this toy in the hopes that she could use as a joggerlead's memory or do you think it's just a coincidence?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that scene is this in Bleach's sort of underlying Juliette's status in the
[UNKNOWN]: not just me, but that's the sort of quasi-medical, almost quasi-religious figure.
[UNKNOWN]: But what do you think Regina was there?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think just just for the reasons you said, she's a trader, she's a trader in relics.
[UNKNOWN]: So, maybe, but I didn't take any more back from that scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so, um, yeah, and then we get later in the episode, the council meeting in the mids cafeteria.
[UNKNOWN]: We get some updates that, uh, one of the chair of Paul Billings, Chinoza Uche, is rewriting portions of the pact.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I was wondering, is trying to check like, I wonder, he's probably rewriting some things relating to the syndrome, but it seems like he was when sitting at that long table.
[UNKNOWN]: He was clutching his hands rather hard, like he was trying to stop it from shaking.
[UNKNOWN]: So we saw that in the end of last season when he was in the down deep,
[UNKNOWN]: The syndrome seemed to have gone away for a while or gone into remission or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And now you agree, you think it's back?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although it could just be habit because once you get into the habit of doing things like that, you do it unconsciously.
[UNKNOWN]: That makes sense too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I'd like to know what parts of the pack he's redraw thing apart from that.
[UNKNOWN]: And also, is it in the, I was thinking about this, did they choose the mids cafeteria because it means that people from the top of the side are on the bottom of the side, they have to travel on equal distance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do you think the show is trying to start one of the other updates we get is about the cameras is a show starting a CCTV debate Impossible, yeah, but no, I just I just thought you know making them into cafeteria I wonder whether there was like a debate you said about where these council meetings were going on.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean that makes sense Yeah, and this is the first meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and then we also hear Bernard claimed is authority not from the pact but from the order.
[UNKNOWN]: We know this
[UNKNOWN]: personally the general public doesn't know about the order yeah so yeah I don't know but no it seems doesn't mention the order he just says no no no yeah we know that he claimed his authority not from the pack before from the order and that's why he did the things that he did uh sims does probably does not know that but Camille does know know that
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and in terms of like which you're saying about tension maybe brewing between them.
[UNKNOWN]: I did notice her face when he called her out.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, you know, we, uh, we're going along with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then said, and my wife, too, and she's like, excuse me?
[UNKNOWN]: Why am I catching stress?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I wonder, yeah, and his whole thing about transparency and like,
[UNKNOWN]: we only need the we only left the cameras that are necessary for public safety and security like well that's flexible but I thought it was interesting that they didn't they didn't say we got rid of old cameras they admitted they kept so it's like in public in our real world yeah there are cameras that are deemed necessary for public safety and security but of course there's always debate about
[UNKNOWN]: how much is needed and what they should be able to do and whether AI recognition should be allowed and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I do again.
[UNKNOWN]: I said it in the trailer breakdown.
[UNKNOWN]: I do like he says truth does not come without costs, but what costs do you think Sims means here?
[UNKNOWN]: I just think he's putting on a show to be honest, and I think he does sort of feel, he does sort of feel bad for all the people he's killed.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying he's gonna, I'm not saying that's gonna stop him, but I do think he feels kind of badly about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right, so not completely immoral or immoral.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think Sims is completely immoral.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think of you made a reference to a new character Ed Harwood play by Ned Denahee?
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think of this new he's from the mines and we in meet him complaining that the mids is too far for a meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I thought that that was really interesting because he says that none of the mindshafts go out on 200 feet sideways from the side.
[UNKNOWN]: So they go up and down and they double back on each other.
[UNKNOWN]: But he never goes on to presumably.
[UNKNOWN]: That is to stop the tunnels from two silos have a meter in the men.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say that's a rule in the books too, but yeah, it does make you think though, if they can only go 200 yards out, and they've been doing this 300 years, or that's what Harwood says based on the number of times, it's quite embody, it makes you wonder where all these silos are in the world, because it's quite impressive that the minds haven't run dry, if they are that limited,
[UNKNOWN]: in terms of where they can go.
[UNKNOWN]: So are they all like sitting on all these silos sitting on a massive deposit of fire or copper or something?
[UNKNOWN]: Seems like it, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is one of the 10-4 hat.
[UNKNOWN]: I do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, not a theory, but this is one of the things I want answers to, the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Where are we?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Where are the silos in the world?
[UNKNOWN]: And are they the only service silos in the world?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I don't think they can be.
[UNKNOWN]: Unless it's a resource constraint that they haven't mentioned yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Given what we're going to see in the Washington timeline, my working hypothesis at this point is there might be thousands, if not tens of thousands of silos scattered all over the world.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So just just mark that one for...
[UNKNOWN]: Right, just like that one for later.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, two, two things about this, this at a hard with thing, one is indeed is you're saying like about the tunnels doubling on each other and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So we find out there was a collapse in the B92 spur off subs, so that shaft David, I wouldn't really call it an accident.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, you wouldn't call it an accident.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he basically says it's inevitable because of this whole thing about where they've been doubling back on each other and plus the instability from that blockbomb going off I'm not taking sides What do you mean taking sides now is to all what I'm not taking sides Yeah, taking sides, but just saying you blow stuff up and chase the earth that causes issues
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and he says yeah, so seven trapped but rescued yay for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so we do know yeah he says he says he can tell from the digging it's been at least 300 years just a reminder that Bernard explicitly said last season it's been 350 years since this whole silo thing started.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is something that Camille would know.
[UNKNOWN]: This is something that Lucas would know, because obviously we heard Bernard say that to Lucas, so wherever he is, but no one else in the silos should know this.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is, yeah, so it's interesting, the just because he knows his mining stuff, he's like, this is how long it would take.
[UNKNOWN]: He's probably had a lot of time to think about this and you know, do some back of the napkin calculations in his head and yeah, yeah,
[UNKNOWN]: and indeed like about the other silos again, Juliette knows but doesn't remember Lucas knows about it because he was the shadow to the head of IT.
[UNKNOWN]: Camille of course knows because she's a current head of IT and probably Sims does not and definitely no one else would know about the other silos.
[UNKNOWN]: But we see
[UNKNOWN]: also in this conversation that Juliette's curiosity can't be fully suppressed.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of the first times we see a bubbling back up where she's like, well, wait a minute, why does the pact limit digging?
[UNKNOWN]: That's weird.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, we'll look into that and even buildings.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, yeah, we'll look into that, but he doesn't look like he means it.
[UNKNOWN]: How do you think it's up with buildings right now?
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think he stands and things
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, because I'm with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he said, yeah, we can look into that.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't say it with any like in enthusiasm.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm like, when he's talking about like trying to find Patrick Kennedy's like, they wear a mask.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, no, yeah, obviously they wear a mask like you don't, you don't see me putting much effort into it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so this Edward character is the one character from the new character that I said, I think might be a renamed reworked version of a character from the books in the books, in the third book, um, particularly there is a character named Rafe, RAPH, uh, who is a minor.
[UNKNOWN]: He's described as Albino, and I wouldn't say Harwood is Albino, but he has no
[UNKNOWN]: very low in the melanin count so I feel like he is because he is obviously the person they put in the show to be the representative of the mining side of things yeah I mean I mean yeah
[UNKNOWN]: He said, I don't think he is our wine opener, but it makes sense that he says a little bit right on the mountain and given that, well, I mean, actually everybody in the silo should, they do have artificial sunlight, but everybody in the silo should be a little light on the mountain.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but he actually is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he actually is.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so I did have another reason in just because he's the representative of the mine.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the reason I think he's a stand-in for this rave character, but then I'm like, well, why do they change the name?
[UNKNOWN]: And, um, I think it's because the rave character in the books is he's like a real ally to Julia and obviously they have given this guy a different personality because nobody can have things easy.
[UNKNOWN]: There's always got to be difficult personalities in the way.
[UNKNOWN]: And also, we'll probably go into this in a minute, but it looks like he's under some sort of investigation for his daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, his daughter isn't he obviously is defensive of her, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then also I love Knox calls him out for complaining about having to walk too far.
[UNKNOWN]: And okay, but this so, you know, good for Knox for calling him out.
[UNKNOWN]: But now I'm confused about where are the entrances to the mind if not below mechanical.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they have to be.
[UNKNOWN]: But I guess like so in the books they do make it sound like they're just digging beneath the silo like ever deeper.
[UNKNOWN]: And here it sounds like they are digging up around the sides of the silo.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, science reason for that that maybe geologist can explain to us like maybe it's too deep in the earth to keep going under Yeah, we don't we don't actually know We know how many levels the soil it's a mild deep okay
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so yeah, I can't say where does the iron ore sit in the surface?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's what it's about.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, it's a mile.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, you know, you don't what you need to dig a silo on my date, Felicia.
[UNKNOWN]: A special drill.
[UNKNOWN]: You need a special drill.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get there.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so just a reminder, Matt Knox gives us a reminder here, and we see the construction around that later is that Papa Nichols bomb blew a gap in the stairs.
[UNKNOWN]: So now they have, they're using these elevator type things to cross this stair barrier, which is technology expressly forbidden by the pact.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they do like address that, it's like, hmm, because coming up basically says, yeah, you know, we need to most.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, even the algorithm is like, yeah, we, you know, we lightened up some rules so that you can get things under control there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, there's a few packed rules that have been suspended possibly permanently.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm curious what the other packed rules that have been suspended.
[UNKNOWN]: And also it's worth noting that surely is in charge of reconstruction.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll come back to that later.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, the knocks also, he's his update later.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very basic, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: We won't say much about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Generator still humming, but Julia doesn't remember fixing it, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: And he says something else interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: The digger void.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's where, you know, the digger is obviously the, and also where Lucas found the door, it is, he says word got out and people mostly young idiots are getting stuck in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Martha Walker, played by Harriet Walter, has taken it upon herself to seal off access.
[UNKNOWN]: So okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So no access down there.
[UNKNOWN]: Is this where Martha and Lucas and company are hiding and meeting or things like that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what I took it to be because like I wonder if she's gone down there.
[UNKNOWN]: Has that the algorithm that was speaking to Lucas?
[UNKNOWN]: Has it spoken?
[UNKNOWN]: I guess not because like there are a series of steps at Lucas and Maddox had to follow to get there.
[UNKNOWN]: But then again,
[UNKNOWN]: because it actually said in episode 10 of season 2 that George Wilkins found the door, but he didn't speak to Wilkins.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, because he didn't have the status.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He spoke into, he wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's not, I'm not sure, is it just status?
[UNKNOWN]: Or is there, because Mike Menos and yes, they were both the shadows to IT.
[UNKNOWN]: But they also went with a series of steps with the book
[UNKNOWN]: code show.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's just how they found it in the first place.
[UNKNOWN]: But the voice at that door, I guess we can also call that the algorithm, sounds the same to me.
[UNKNOWN]: The voice said we, yeah, said basically they were spoken.
[UNKNOWN]: The George was not spoken to because he was not the head of IT.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's because George also followed a series of clues, maybe you slightly different one.
[UNKNOWN]: He did, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, so we also get we get the related super short update from Billings crime is down and he was ready to stop there says another thing where I'm like, yeah, nothing the most cooperative why you being so shady Paul why you being so shady
[UNKNOWN]: And Inksa Camille presses him to continue and specifically asks about indeed the two fugitives.
[UNKNOWN]: She says Patrick Kennedy, Rick Gomez, who has been cited and Lucas Kyle played by Abhinash, who, quote unquote, may have died in the rebellion.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, they dropped the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think we just found his body two weeks ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm calling bullshit so much.
[UNKNOWN]: well this is a question is why are they fugitive so okay we saw Kennedy leading people outside uh you know trying to go outside before at the in the events of the season two finale before Bernard and Julia basically stopped them yeah so that's why Kennedy is a fugitive Lucas Kyle um i mean i guess they just said he's with the rebellion but i can't help but think he's he's being pursued because he knows too much yes
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, but I mean, I'm not saying not to sort of labor the point, but how hard can it be to find somebody in a silence?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's only a limited number of places they go.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, there's been a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: They live there.
[UNKNOWN]: I literally locked in.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of Heidi holds and you can move around when people are looking somewhere else.
[UNKNOWN]: It's been a few of you have helped.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, there was a whole, like, I'm Patrick Kennedy is very good at this, because there's a whole like.
[UNKNOWN]: section of season two, where they couldn't find any, rather than the bigger void.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, like Patrick Kennedy, yeah, because he's still think he is the leader of the faction, there's still things it's safe to go outside.
[UNKNOWN]: Although if that is the case, like how did they explain what I'm usually at, did it at the end of the last season?
[UNKNOWN]: Did they not see that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like this because the sign she held up, you know, says not safe, don't go out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so we're going to get to this group called the outsiders.
[UNKNOWN]: It's running around the apparently allegedly, at least, as followers of Patrick Kennedy.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll get back to them in a sec.
[UNKNOWN]: But let's talk about the other major new character introduced in this episode that we meet at this council meeting, Orla Kent,
[UNKNOWN]: I hope I said that correctly, and she is the new shadow to the head of supply, the head of supply again being Carla McLean, played by Claire Perkins, who is apparently planning to retire, so she orla said that Carla sent her because she's like, well, I'm going to be taking her place, so she wants me to be at these meetings, you know, which makes sense,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if we are mysteriously missing Walker would not Carla be up to whatever walkers up to at this point Yeah, did you think she's really not there because she wants to retire?
[UNKNOWN]: She's really not there because she's hatching plots.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Yeah, probably a little from Colomade let from Colomade you said be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure she would like to retire, but I don't think
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Orla completely new character.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember there must have been a shadow to the head of supply in the books, but I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember if that's like an especially important character, not as important as McLean.
[UNKNOWN]: But now we have this tension between Harvard and Orla.
[UNKNOWN]: If we're he's being a dick about her age, which is 26, he's like, I got boots older than that.
[UNKNOWN]: which I had to know, I was like, and Doreen, that sounds familiar.
[UNKNOWN]: I went back and looked.
[UNKNOWN]: Diego's aunt is named Doreen.
[UNKNOWN]: But, but Diego's aunt apparently worked in construction.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how she recognized the saw that they're using to like, go through the floors when they were trying to pass the barrier last season.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but I yeah, so and this one or less says work supply side 40 years as did her parents.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm guessing there are two different people, but it would kind of be fun if Orla and Diego were related.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we also find out that that Harwood's daughter, Glenda, which of course I'm thinking of the good witch.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway,
[UNKNOWN]: she's leaving supply be he said because she doesn't want to work for a teenager we find out later it sounds like she was fired and is being investigated as you said and so he hopes she'll come home to the mines where he says she's truly at home which sounds like projecting to me but whatever yeah and yeah or less says she that glenda was 26 when she became
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's, yeah, I like how Orla kind of introduces supplies important obviously in the silo system.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's important to the story.
[UNKNOWN]: It's important to this society.
[UNKNOWN]: So I like that they're exploring that more now, because that was something that was explored earlier in the books with other billion stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: But we find out Orla grew up in the base, which I guess is the
[UNKNOWN]: And then she calls Harwood out for not really mining himself anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's beyond us how would, you know, he's he must be in the 60s.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it's it's it's literally backbreaking work, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, people die in the mine.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, and and or less report is since the rebellion shut down, there were many shortages after that, of course, um, and also supplies pilfered probably by the rebels, but also maybe looters at large, um, and but they released a quote unquote prudent amount from reserves and critical supply and cut back usage and now they're back on track to pre-rebellion levels.
[UNKNOWN]: Because of course, they have very limited ability.
[UNKNOWN]: They have like the metal shops and stuff we saw, but last season, but they have very limited ability to create new things, like supply of the stock things up for centuries.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she says later on that stuff's gone missing as well, but for now in the public meeting she says we are good in supply, which triggers Juliet and then I'm like, what does she know is that a coincidence that she is those words or is like does she did Carla tell her to use those words or something we are Martha.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe because of course that's what Martha wrote on the note to tell Juliet we got to the good tape to go outside.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's take another quick pause here and when we come back, we're going to talk about these outsiders and what they are up to.
[UNKNOWN]: So we have people in hoodies and masks running up the stairs, hanging a banner over the side, painted with green trees in the words, this is the truth, the display is a lie.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they storm IT with pipes and other makeshift weapons.
[UNKNOWN]: They subdue the only raider they come across and break open the door to an office.
[UNKNOWN]: Orla comes to Juliet asking to speak to her privately.
[UNKNOWN]: She confesses that a lot of the critical supply stock has gone missing.
[UNKNOWN]: She suspected it's moving through construction.
[UNKNOWN]: But then, Billings interrupts to tell Juliet about the banner and IT break-in.
[UNKNOWN]: When Juliet sees the banner, it triggers more suppressed memories.
[UNKNOWN]: This time of being outside and seeing that green world, and then seeing it dissolve into a world that is,
[UNKNOWN]: Camille urges buildings to find Kennedy or at least one of his followers, in the Generators' closet, Diego ambitious Akikotabe, briefs the rest of the watchers.
[UNKNOWN]: The outsiders know how to avoid the cameras, so they're having trouble tracking them and figuring out who they are.
[UNKNOWN]: Later, we see Orilla oversee the rolling of barrels out of supply and locking the door behind her.
[UNKNOWN]: When her partner Chris Fulton asks what it was, she says IT said they're low on vitamin D and that they should ship two barrels of vitamin D plus to water filtration, a job that will apparently take three days to get done because it's so heavy basically.
[UNKNOWN]: I was wondering because Bernard says this says that this is what they did after the last revolt.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: I, um, you know, in putting the memory suppression drugs in the water.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: So the vitamin D first.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the vitamin D. Well, yeah, what the vitamin D plus I.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's the plus.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what's the plus here?
[UNKNOWN]: Because, actually, I think this is what's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, I think Camille and the algorithm are still following the order to the greatest extent they possibly can.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, in that flame keeper's episode in season one episode seven, Gloria was saying something about the water too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, but this whole thing with um, the outsiders is in new show only the element, so I'm not completely sure what the deal is with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so what's going on with it?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I've probably quite a few of them didn't survive the rebellion, but what's going on with the raiders like they got all the way into IT.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, where there was only one raider walking in them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I guess they weren't expecting it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But how did they get that?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I mean, yeah, there are still cameras on the stairs.
[UNKNOWN]: So, like, how did they get that?
[UNKNOWN]: And my question is also, what did they want at IT?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was one of the, one of the, I think we got one of the display units.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the, the helmet for cleaning yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a sort of take it apart and figure out how it works.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, during this break in, we see a women woman get hit in the arm, uh, so yeah, we need to look out for women with an injured arm in the next episode, but also Emerson, the new water woman by Florian Claire said she might have broken her wrist.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to be watching out for a broken wrist or other arm injury.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I get where they're coming from, but like
[UNKNOWN]: bump in stress.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, but how many, I mean, I guess she probably went to the doctor after that.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: How many people went to the doctor that day for an arm injury or had an arm injury who didn't the prior day?
[UNKNOWN]: That's got to be a finite number of people that...
[UNKNOWN]: I guess, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's not like, I don't think it's like you can play giveaway.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, but it's worth keeping an eye on.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it is like, it still is only about 10,000 people in this silo.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not much.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I keep forgetting that.
[UNKNOWN]: the the banner is obviously wrong about you know being outside and of course we get the flashback to Julie at remembering seeing that same the V of birds she saw it in the video that she found on that hard drive and then she saw it in the visor of her helmet and that's what made her realize like oh this is fake because that she learns from solo that they're called birds which is like those things wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing every single time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah that's.
[UNKNOWN]: So she realizes it's fake and then she steps beyond and sees like, oh no, it's a wasteland and there's more silos.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, my question here is as we already brought up why are these people not like paying attention to the fact she held up the sign that it was not safe outside.
[UNKNOWN]: And it also seems like if Julia can tell them it's not safe outside.
[UNKNOWN]: I know there's a pressing her memory because she knows about the other silos, but like,
[UNKNOWN]: you think that they would want her to remember that she said it's not safe outside so that she can use their celebrity status.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I'm guessing, I'm guessing for the reason for that is that the drugs aren't selective.
[UNKNOWN]: So when Sims is talking to Kennedy about this, he says that they can like measure out the dosage in terms of tying how much time you want to forget.
[UNKNOWN]: but he doesn't say that like you can raise, you can keep some memories and suppress others.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, it's kind of a blanket treatment.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would make sense, which is the way brains work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, would you think the implication we get is that this is Patrick Kennedy in his followers?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you believe that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: do you think Billings knows where Patrick Kennedy really is or knows more about all of this than he's letting on?
[UNKNOWN]: He knows more than he's letting on.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that that means he knows we're kind of where Kennedy is and the thing is even if even if they found Kennedy, even if they arrested Kennedy, it still wouldn't stop this because like there are at least like two dozen of
[UNKNOWN]: But what I don't get is did that like I said earlier, did they not see what Julia said on that sign?
[UNKNOWN]: And if they did, why are they discounting it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's the next one question, especially
[UNKNOWN]: If they made it sound like Patrick Kennedy and Lucas are together, I'm guessing they must not be because if Lucas were with Patrick Kennedy, you'd be like, bro, no, don't go outside.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't do that, that's genuinely bad news that there is out there.
[UNKNOWN]: I also have questions about what Orla does or doesn't know because we see her looking expectantly over the rail just before the outsiders run up and at first I thought like oh she knows they're coming and we also see Billings clock this but then I thought later like no because she says later that she thinks that the missing supplies might be going through construction so I'm like oh maybe that's what she's paying attention to and she stops and looks
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, actually, the two things might not.
[UNKNOWN]: They may be just two angles looking at the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And the sun said, there may be materials going missing, but there may be ending up with the outside this.
[UNKNOWN]: And it may be going through construction.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, the absolutely, this is what's happening but my question is what does Orla know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I know, but that's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we know whether this is common or garden corruption.
[UNKNOWN]: or whether this is actually, whether these two things are actually linked.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess I just made an assumption and so did Orla.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And she, it's interesting that she says we're all good and supplied the meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: And then she pulls Juliet aside later, which, first of all, how hard was it for Camille to let Juliet walk away as a secret conversation with someone?
[UNKNOWN]: But Oralith says there's a problem and I was told I could only talk about it with two people, head of supply, which is Carla and the mayor, which is Juliette, and Carla presumably knows whatever Martha knows.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess what I'm landing on as we're talking here is that, indeed, there's like two different groups, one led by Patrick Kennedy, perhaps, and a different one where it's like Lucas and Martha or whatever, maybe in the deep void trying to figure out what they can do with what they know.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And that means at some point, Lucas has got to try and get into it with Julia.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But it also, but it, but he, she doesn't know who he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But it also means it's so just Patrick Kennedy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because the, the, the, the, the common thread that's linking all of this, is she is the only person that's been outside and come back.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, loved getting the glimpse inside supply because there's also like about in the rebellion stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: There's these nice stories about like the dogs of supply.
[UNKNOWN]: I love the, it's nice to see.
[UNKNOWN]: Do they pull like to they pull slabs and stuff?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, maybe, but it's also, they're, they're in the books.
[UNKNOWN]: They're presumably, they're mostly talked about as guard dogs.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, because yeah, you don't want people to steal from supply.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now I just want to like with, you know, the light loads to sort of, you know, sort of keep the supplies moving and, you know, to make sure the pauses are used efficiently, I've just got this image of like them doing like a scent Bernard, like rescue dog style, like with the slide up and back.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think of, we got a new couple, Orilla, and this guy, his name's not in the credits.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, credited as a guest star.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it won't end well.
[UNKNOWN]: Never does.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, I said, new couple to kill him.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, new couple to kill or otherwise make miserable.
[UNKNOWN]: Just kidding.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no.
[UNKNOWN]: This show is definitely, but it's cards on the table.
[UNKNOWN]: Minogamous relationships.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'll say it does kind of work out that way in the books, but they're changing things up a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: So for example, I said before, you know, there are couples that would already be separated because one of them is dead and they are not at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: They are still alive.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe people will die, but hey, like people have died that didn't in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting that Oralus said seeing Juliet made her feel better about everything, is that like her celebrity status?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Or just she just comes across as competent even when she's hazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's mostly her celebrity status, because I don't think she does actually come across as competent when she's hazy.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, yeah, we learned the stuff about harwood's daughter being investigated.
[UNKNOWN]: So many questions there, we learned about that, yeah, or less like wondering about what's being taken and that maybe she said something in the gap, get you for an idea of how quote unquote she might be moving stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, is this she surely?
[UNKNOWN]: And then, and then she says to her partner, I'll tell you later if I'm right, and I'm like, well, that's like, I'm gonna retire in two weeks and then the character does.
[UNKNOWN]: And anytime, I'll tell you later if I'm right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, tell them now.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell them now.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think if Shirley is moving stuff to maybe to help the rebels or Kennedy or whatever,
[UNKNOWN]: I guess nox doesn't know without- Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't mean these two things hadn't necessarily have to do you think that it's it's so that they can get Supplies to these outsiders because we're the outsiders getting their supplies You know, honestly I hadn't told you you probably arrive honestly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I didn't like that I hadn't occurred to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I just yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I think no, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a good no I'm gonna have to chew on that now for a bit, but yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Well, in support of your, there's something shady going on with these vitamin D plus barrels.
[UNKNOWN]: I had to note that, yeah, they're talking about their very heavy barrels, which is why they have three teams switching off, and they'd have to use the sledge she thinks, so they have to work at night, and we'll take three days.
[UNKNOWN]: So first of all,
[UNKNOWN]: shady that there's different teams switching off so that there's like no one follow it with you completely following what happens with these barrels?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, they have to do it at night, also shady.
[UNKNOWN]: But why does this?
[UNKNOWN]: It will take three days, feel like some sort of ticking time bomb.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they do like to do this, though.
[UNKNOWN]: They do introduce a clock.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so keeping an eye on three days passing, we'll see how much happens in the next episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We also get some algorithmic questions where Juliette's curiosity is now back in full swing and she asked Camille how she got into the silo realizing she would have had a plan if she didn't know Bernard was going out.
[UNKNOWN]: Julia remembers she brought a crowbar, and the memory of her breaking her helmet vids are open after entering silo 17 flashes through her mind as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Camille tells her that she's misremembering there being another silo, and she actually just went to a shack, and hit out there until she returned, and that's where she found the fire suit.
[UNKNOWN]: and Camille shows her a video she says was taken by Julia's helmet camp to support this, a video Julia has been shown before.
[UNKNOWN]: Then Camille returns to debrief the algorithm, us assuring that Julia has accepted the false memory of the refuge hut, but the algorithm is still concerned, saying they're outside the order now.
[UNKNOWN]: He tells Camille to double the dosage of the memory suppression drugs.
[UNKNOWN]: So, okay, this whole hot thing.
[UNKNOWN]: First of all, what is that?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that just like a thing they made up?
[UNKNOWN]: Is there really a hot out there?
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe?
[UNKNOWN]: I just took it as they made it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Because the algorithm, you know, it's probably got the computing power to be able to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's beyond what we've seen so far, but obviously the algorithm looks more advanced.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the algorithm could do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would they think Julia would accept if they have to live in this underground silo?
[UNKNOWN]: Why would she be okay for however many days in an unprotected hut changing suits even?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, why would that even be there?
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like when Bernard was saying the whole thing about the tape, like we've discovered a new type of tape, and it's like, that's just a desperate stopgap of us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're just creating way more questions than I long term.
[UNKNOWN]: I know what we haven't talked about this yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it just me or does the algorithm now that we've sort of heard him speak more?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think so?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: How do you think that would work?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but it's just...
[UNKNOWN]: It's stuck in my head that they sound very similar.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Ashley Zuckerman.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so...
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that means anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know if I'm not barking on the wrong tree, but it's just stuck in my head.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it is interesting that they make sure that we see that door code again when Camille goes in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: They repeat it on a longer on a. Yeah, they repeat it twice in the finale and the number again is five five two zero three nine.
[UNKNOWN]: So any thoughts about that, but that's about no, but they didn't for a reason.
[UNKNOWN]: I just can't work out what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I mean it must, the number must have a meaning, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That's my, yeah, that's my assumption.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's some point, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, and then we hear, of course, that uh, yeah, Juliette has no memories for three months other than those you've given her, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's that, I, I, I, I, I take a shoe with that.
[UNKNOWN]: You've given a story, you've not given her memories.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So, this, the semantics you take a shoe.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not giving her memories, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not like they've injected memories.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're not like in, yeah, it's not like stir, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: you've given a story, you've no given a memory.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and then Camille says the order says the memory suppression drugs aren't perfect, and then this is when the algorithm is brought outside the order now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the algorithm gets a little bit sassy.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that why you think it's not a computer?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The hell is a very sassy computer, just saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's not saying.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying it's not a computer.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying the boy, it's voice and Daniel's voice seem very serious.
[UNKNOWN]: So you think if it's modeled off his voice, it's impossible.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get to that later, because it's the Washington D.C.
[UNKNOWN]: But where I get with the tin foil comes out.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm going to talk about the last part of this silo 18 and then we're going to get into the Washington D.C. stuff where there's there's less of it this episode, but it is obviously some of the most intriguing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'll go and get the 10 foil.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's do a little bedtime reading real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: So back in her apartment, Juliette takes more, quote-unquote, vitamins question mark from Nurse Amy, and takes her leave just as Tony brings Juliette her dinner soup again, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: This time, a special childer, special indeed, as it contains a message for Juliette.
[UNKNOWN]: Want to know the truth?
[UNKNOWN]: Leave your bowl upside down.
[UNKNOWN]: Go to the marketplace at two, burn this.
[UNKNOWN]: So Juliette sends the tray back with the bowl upside down, telling Tony, she turned the bowl upside down to tell them she didn't like the soup and burns the note.
[UNKNOWN]: And Tony's okay with this, like Tony does not question the logic of why would they think you didn't like it?
[UNKNOWN]: I'll tell her you didn't like it, it's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean I guess like a question for a moment is Tony know about the message but since he he had the response of why did you turn that upside down I'm like I guess he doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess he doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh show how big are those vitamins.
[UNKNOWN]: That was some big pill.
[UNKNOWN]: Are they?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I've taken some big pills.
[UNKNOWN]: I suppose.
[UNKNOWN]: I wondered though about the soup thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I was saying I wondered if she was having memories of eating soup with solo tickling her brain.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when he said if you don't like it, I'll get you the chicken noodle.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, get the chicken noodle because that's more similar to the soup she had with solo and food brings back memories.
[UNKNOWN]: But was it, was it soup, she's having a soda or was it soup?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was a chicken soup or stew potato potato.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, in terms of the smell triggering memories.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, also, if it's childhood, does that mean there are puns with fish somewhere in the side, though?
[UNKNOWN]: It does, I mean, yeah, there are at least I know from the books that there were fish farms in the, for sure, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because these salads are also kind of like arcs, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Although they don't have everything, clearly.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no evidence in there.
[UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, no elephants, no lions, no tigers, those flowers, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, no, I mean, obviously, yeah, everything that they eat there need for production at least is in there.
[UNKNOWN]: So I know, um, yeah, I can tell you this because it's just wasn't in the show, but, um, in the silos, like, there was a fish farm that, uh, when silo 17 broke down and flooded and stuff, the fish got out and were the swimming in the silo, so solo, was fishing them with a lease
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool, because like one of the things I kind of hope we see before the end of the series is, you know, we've seen construction, we've seen supply, we've seen mechanical, we've seen on T. I'd really like to just spend an episode on the farm.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that would be interesting, like, I want to, you know, the next council meeting I want my head of farming to give their report.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because so I mentioned that there's the flashback to the silo 18 rebellion in shift that we saw a very different version of last time where they had that Salvador twin character instead of as a Mr. Wick was head of IT in the book and anyway it's a whole different story but in that story this mission character did he was a porter who grew up on the farms so that actually was an insight into the farms more okay.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah um yeah i don't know did she really she really didn't like the taste of the soup was it because there's mushrooms in it again or is it because she tasted like the metal that can taste because she tasted the metal of that little okay yeah yeah that would make sense it would make sense yeah
[UNKNOWN]: And then we get the final song, and of course we're going to go to the other side, but the final song after this scene with the notes is come talk to me by Peter Gabriel, which I thought was a really interesting choice for this, because it's like a really upbeat song.
[UNKNOWN]: He noticed that his daughter struggled to express her grievances pertaining to their strained relationship and characterized the song as a cry from the heart.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think there's any meaning behind the selection of the song to end this episode?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, certainly, I think somebody in the production staff really likes being a Gabriel, because there was being a Gabriel song that solo was playing last semester, last season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's just one of the things in the vault.
[UNKNOWN]: They have a Peter Gabriel album for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's switch over to the other side of the story.
[UNKNOWN]: The before-dying question mark.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess I can just say that because it made a clear.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think we need the question mark.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's start with, so we start with Charlotte's paranoia.
[UNKNOWN]: We have fighter jet pilot Charlotte Keene, labeled I Jessica Brown Finley, stalking through the Washington DC streets in what looks a lot like our modern day into the Willard Intercontinental Hotel,
[UNKNOWN]: I was, I was Leo pointing me in with that, because I've been in that hotel, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Or I'm 90% sure I've been in that hotel.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't stay in that hotel, but I spent a day walking around Washington and really, really, really needed to pee.
[UNKNOWN]: So I just popped in, I'm pretty sure I just popped in that hotel to use the restroom, but I 90% sure that was the hotel.
[UNKNOWN]: So we see her go in and out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was my question is, and she has changed her clothes because when she walks in, she's in her, you know, maybe year and when she walks out, she's wearing plain clothes.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm like, did she just go in there and to use the bathroom or did she have a meeting or something in there?
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is a famous hotel that's known as like, it's called the hotel of presidents, but I don't understand because presidents live in Washington,
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm right about this, it used to be where the president would stay prior to being inaugurated.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I know he doesn't sure have been in that hotel or at least been in his bathroom.
[UNKNOWN]: That was bathroom to a very nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe that's where she changed or maybe something else happened.
[UNKNOWN]: But then we see, so we see her, there's this cool circle shots that goes around and we see Charlotte go in and then Charlotte go back out in different clothing and her hair down and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And then she boards the Metro, but she sees an older man looking at her and when he boards this same train as her, she jumps off at the last minute, seemingly afraid that he's following her.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'll say that the Reed Bernie is the guy who was following her.
[UNKNOWN]: He's uncredited, but I know who that is, so.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, just noting that.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll come back to it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, it's been, it's been a while since I've been into Washington, but it was what I was always staggered when I was there, just how cheap the Metro is.
[UNKNOWN]: You can go preying by like, you can buy like a day ticket, they'll get you pretty much anywhere for like $10.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you think he was following her at the guy?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think she was just being paranoid.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So we know from this this Charlotte character this is a new character obviously we know from the season two finale when Daniel was talking to Helen who's Jessica Henwick doesn't appear in this episode talked about in the episode so it's we'll talk about her more in a minute, but when talking about this alleged dirty bomb that from Iran that supposedly went off in DC but Helen doubts it, he
[UNKNOWN]: She asked him, do you know anyone who is affected?
[UNKNOWN]: And Danielle says to Helen, my sister's the only one who lives in DC and she was away at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I immediately, it was like, okay, he's talking about Charlotte clearly and then she was away because she was on a mission because she's in the military.
[UNKNOWN]: So, now I can say that lately.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, and this is basically this whole with Charlotte here is added into it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they're bringing her into the story a bit earlier, which I think is a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is all we hear about her from this point from this is from the second page of the first full chapter of the second book shift.
[UNKNOWN]: While Daniel's waiting for a meeting with Senator Thurman, who is a military man in the book, we read Donald Leendon closer to study the decorative coins, the number and slogan on each one represented a deployed group.
[UNKNOWN]: Or was it a battalion he couldn't remember, his sister Charlotte would know, she was over there somewhere out in the field.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's all we know about her at this point in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: But, okay, here's, I was already asking you about this in advance.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought, I know that the Navy, I'll say my older sister actually was an air traffic controller in the Navy for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: So I know obviously those these carriers that have these, so it makes sense that she would be, she could be a jet pilot in the Navy, you know, working from, we find out working from
[UNKNOWN]: But what did you think about you know more about the military than I do?
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think about like the triple logo ensemble she had going on?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like an Air Force sign.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it will be.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I tried to sort of pause it, but I couldn't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't get it paused in the right place.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think what it will be is each.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: For each aircraft carrier, they have their own aircraft.
[UNKNOWN]: In other words, there's dedicated set of pilots and engineers that are based permanently on my aircraft carrier and they will have their own, they will have their own logos.
[UNKNOWN]: so I think it's probably that.
[UNKNOWN]: And also if you go on like major exercises, they will often give you like a patch as a souvenir to say that you were there, particularly if there's sort of big multinational NATO or joint exercises with places like South Korea and Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So we we find out that this Nimitz ship is fresh off a refurb.
[UNKNOWN]: And she flies in F 35.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure playing heads.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, that I mean, we'll talk about this separately in just a moment, but that whole mission thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't wait.
[UNKNOWN]: We we watch these screeners.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched it on my computer and it's not always like the highest.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the highest resolution that they give us for screeners, but so I can't wait to watch that on my property because that looked gorgeous when they did get one important piece of continuity right, which is the F-35 does have a 50,000 feet servicely way.
[UNKNOWN]: In other words, that's the highest height it can come to fly.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Four things start to go wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Because yeah, like the amount of times you see stuff like this and I know why they do it because it looks cool, but you've got like jets with like really high service.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, service ceiling has got a lot of like 200 for the supposedly like 200 feet off the ground and it's like no, that's just why would you do that?
[UNKNOWN]: That's dangerous.
[UNKNOWN]: That's unnecessarily dangerous.
[UNKNOWN]: You only do that.
[UNKNOWN]: If you absolutely have to and you don't.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I'm glad they did that.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's a bit of a book, but the other thing is Charlotte and Daniel actually look like siblings.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're good casting.
[UNKNOWN]: Because one of my one of my big pet peeves, for TV is when they cast people as siblings, they don't look like siblings.
[UNKNOWN]: So, well done.
[UNKNOWN]: They get a gold star off of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They actually do look like siblings.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a, this is a change, though, by the way, that Charlotte flies this, this F-35, because in the book, she is a drone pilot, rather than a jet pilot.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm guessing it's like, I don't know if anyone who listened to my interview of South Cairo, so we talked about how some radio plot lines from the first book were cut.
[UNKNOWN]: And basically, it was deemed, that's not, you know, visual enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not cinematic enough.
[UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if it's the same thing with the drone pilots, you know, that it just looks a lot cooler to actually have her fly those cool jets, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: So also it might be, it might make more sense with the, with the injury and with the good that we're going to talk about in a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, yeah, that she would come into contact with the, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Although, the only thing, the only reason why I, you know, am like, oh, a little bummed about her being changed is just I thought it was really interesting and aspect of the book where she struggled with being a drone pilot just because she was removed, but then also, okay, so this is a quote from shift chapter seven.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think just thought it was interesting that sort of guilt that Charles is carrying with her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Not quite the same in this case, but it's finally, like I said, the jet-slurps call.
[UNKNOWN]: And you two get very similar testimony about to that from real life drone pilot.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm sure Hugh Haley went away and did this research for that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I've heard that story in almost those words
[UNKNOWN]: um but it was okay so when we'll get to the jet crash in a moment but um when the jet crash is happening it's made a made day drone controls are going yeah what are drone controls if she's fine like is there is it like an autopilot or what is that yeah I know I didn't I didn't get that okay I don't understand I don't understand that well all right unless we are talking about the
[UNKNOWN]: in there are also plans or you see this in a lot of sort of what the Air Force is going to look like in 10 years where you have a man there craft that's basically also piloting a swarm of drones around it behind it, under it, ahead of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't think that's what's going on here.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is a great place to take our last break and when we come back we're going to talk about a clandestine sibling meeting in the park.
[UNKNOWN]: So junior congressman of Georgia's 15th district, Daniel Keene, played by Ashley Zuckerman, is cold calling constituents to ask for their votes or funding, perhaps, then we cut to him meeting his sister on a park bench where she stresses the need for secrecy.
[UNKNOWN]: Before teasing him about thinking that meeting, we saw between him and reporter from the post telling Drew, played by Jessica Henwick, was a date last season.
[UNKNOWN]: Charlotte says Helen is working on a story and told her all about her meeting with Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: Charlotte is the one who told Helen to approach Daniel in the first place.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, she urges her brother to find a way to join Senator Thurman, play by Laura Innis, uh, on the Iran Committee, and tell Helen whatever he can.
[UNKNOWN]: She tells her brother that she can't tell him any mission she herself may or may not be assigned to, but she urges the importance of Daniel taking action.
[UNKNOWN]: So we already talked about this in the season finale a bit, but there's no 15th district in Georgia today, so as this is signifier population group, I suppose so.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about this actually more in the next thing, but he's Mr. Army Corps of Engineer that comes up in the next section.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about,
[UNKNOWN]: By love to this whole, this interaction, he is a brief scene that they included about him cold calling, a Mr. Jones, and we hear, don't call me again and I'll vote for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Call me again and I'll vote for anyone else.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this just kind of emphasizes a the political apathy of most citizens.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they, this guy, Mr. Jones does not care with Daniel or his opponent stands for.
[UNKNOWN]: He just wants to not be annoyed by thinking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: and also goes to show that campaign money is not coming from these average citizens.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, although I will say this, so the constituency I live in for the UK Parliament is northeast-fife and for a time it was the most marginal constituency in the country.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so I got constantly cold, I got constantly bombarded with literature, and that's somebody that I think is very politically engaged, you could try to be up the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, I wasn't the point that I would have voted for anybody who would just leave me alone.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, fair enough, fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: So with Daniel's meeting with his sister I had to look up of like where exactly are they and so I think they are next the bench threat is next to the World War one memorial
[UNKNOWN]: And it's because we can see it's next to some water, too.
[UNKNOWN]: And when Daniel's walking toward her, we see the Washington Monument and the tops of the World War II Memorial Visible and the fancy approaches.
[UNKNOWN]: Not that that's important, but I sure feel better now.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's a good idea.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you think about the sibling dynamics?
[UNKNOWN]: I thought the sibling dynamics was great.
[UNKNOWN]: Sila is not a great shovel one line is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a funny show, but I did like the line.
[UNKNOWN]: If our parents were like right now, they'd be friendly.
[UNKNOWN]: We spread to you.
[UNKNOWN]: The cuff is certainly out.
[UNKNOWN]: That genuinely made me laugh at it, it's why I'm be choked all the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we learned their parents are dead in that line, but also we learned the fact that like she, you know, he says if mom and Deborah live right now, and then like they complete the sentence together, this is clearly a back and forth that they have regularly, that he knows as soon as he starts saying, and he's like, I know how you're going to respond to this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I liked all the little things that they, they did make, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Charlotte a bit more you know they've added a lot more edge to people's personalities in that and definitely includes Charlotte as well like she definitely had a backbone in the book for sure um but here she's like a bit prickly or which seems to be a common thing about uh whether writing these characters and I mean the this is the thing we we've talked about about the paranoia and the changing clothes like what does she know what does she think she knows
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because this whole thing were like, uh, I said if you didn't do what I said, I'd punch you in the throat.
[UNKNOWN]: And she also says some other prickly thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Shouldn't you be on the phone talking dick for money?
[UNKNOWN]: And even if I was, I couldn't tell you civilian swine.
[UNKNOWN]: That last one's girly, a joke.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, about the paranoia, like she made him do two trains, two cabs, and circle back, but then I'm like, if so secretive, why such a central place to meet?
[UNKNOWN]: But okay, fine, it looks good on on screen, and I suppose there's a lot of tourists to blend in with.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, Daniel also says you're off post, but you're not on leave, shouldn't you be in uniform?
[UNKNOWN]: So clearly, all the paranoia as we keep seeing from her.
[UNKNOWN]: So indeed, you're asking the right questions.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So what does she think she knows?
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, something about this Iran mission.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because we'll get, we'll get to it in a bit, but this is where I go all ten-foyle half.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love also the whole thing, like I got you some sweet tea.
[UNKNOWN]: It's called iced tea here.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, well, we're from Georgia.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's not, it's not, it's the, obviously I'm a Brit.
[UNKNOWN]: So I didn't get the distinction.
[UNKNOWN]: It's an important distinction.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just to emphasize that they are from, it's to emphasize that they're from Georgia and then Senator Thurman and her daughter is will meet her also from Georgia.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're all from Georgia.
[UNKNOWN]: all right there's nothing the bother there's nothing worse than i stay i don't really what is the point of like no it's no what's not the point of i stay you just don't like the flavor no that's like it's just because it's cold you don't like cold coffee otherwise no i don't i like cold coffee but but no tea is tea is something that's a warm with milk
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, you don't put milk in I stay.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I know you put milk in your tea in Britain, but we don't put milk usually in hot tea in the U.S. either, but now the whole idea of ice tears.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for me, I prefer iced tea to iced coffee, but also I grew up with it, and it's definitely, it's especially a southern thing, although definitely drunken the north, but it's especially a hot weather thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's just perfect on the hot day.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, although I do have iced tea extra.
[UNKNOWN]: I have iced tea and lemonade and I have both of them in my fridge right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It has been a heat wave, so.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not, I'm not you're getting your own, but not that.
[UNKNOWN]: I suppose it's American for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this whole conversation, you know, digging into what you're saying about what does she know, just to revisit what we learned for this conversation that Helen and Daniel had in the season two finale,
[UNKNOWN]: Helen said to Daniel, I'm here because I think that the people you work for and by that I mean the citizens of this country, not the shadowy creeps who pay for campaigns, I think the people need to know if there are plans to strike back against Iran, whether or not there really was a radiological weapon attack on the United States.
[UNKNOWN]: So, first of all, just to acknowledge, and then we won't go into it, obviously, this whole Iran story line ended up being more relevant than I think the show writers intended.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it actually has no real relevance with what's going on here, except that it's... No, except I think it's a historic, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Except I think you have, we might be a time travel.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but you just think like that you how we is remembering, you know, like I remember in the 90s, the golf wars, these things that you, yourself are personally studying and I'm pretty sure that's where this idea came from, but it's also in the books they also mentioned like North Korean stuff too, so more than just the US and Iran, I don't know if they'll do that in the show too.
[UNKNOWN]: She said you gave her a pez, Charlotte brings up always comes back to the pez, which was again a duck for the University of Oregon because that is their mascot and he thought it was a date, and he said he thought it was funny.
[UNKNOWN]: That's quite cute.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then the whole, she, she, she, this comes up a few times as an Orleans thing.
[UNKNOWN]: She said you also managed to work New Orleans into the conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: So I had to look up how did that go again.
[UNKNOWN]: And basically, he, she was like recapping to him.
[UNKNOWN]: His, she's like, oh, you were in the Army Corps of Engineers because you can't run anyone these days, unless they served.
[UNKNOWN]: After you got your Masters in Engineering at the University of Georgia, you joined the army,
[UNKNOWN]: Army Corps of Engineers isn't exactly humping an M-16 through the sandbox, which, first of all, sounds a bit like Charlotte.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, then he says, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I better change the subject before I start bragging about what we did in New Orleans.
[UNKNOWN]: And she said, oh, look at you working that into the conversation so smoothly.
[UNKNOWN]: So he says here, she was dismissive of the core, I thought I'd set her straight, which I think is a fair representation of that conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, but then he's very defensive of it still to his sister.
[UNKNOWN]: We did things, no one else had thought of before.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, they did, didn't they?
[UNKNOWN]: What did they do?
[UNKNOWN]: This is where it gets interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: They invent the intent of your type of digger.
[UNKNOWN]: Which?
[UNKNOWN]: A drill.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, which, yes, so.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what was the silo is built with?
[UNKNOWN]: A drill.
[UNKNOWN]: See, where's that type?
[UNKNOWN]: See, can I, can I, can I, can I, I'm going to need to jump ahead a bit of because for 10 or a half purposes?
[UNKNOWN]: But okay, let's assume for the sake of argument that this
[UNKNOWN]: extraterrestrial in origin.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a fair assumption.
[UNKNOWN]: So what is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm going to go with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go with it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's the good resilience.
[UNKNOWN]: Governments in the world
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to question everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Just let me get to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But why don't you know the aliens are coming now?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know telescopes.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So they know the aliens are coming.
[UNKNOWN]: They know that they know they've got no chance of winning our fight.
[UNKNOWN]: So instead of resisting the alien invasion, what if you just hide from it?
[UNKNOWN]: and then for what if you dig a load of silo and the whole point at the whole point of the pack and the order is to make sure you don't come outside and what if the reason why the atmosphere is unburied the ball is that the earth is being terraformed okay so by the aliens by the aliens that's what makes it
[UNKNOWN]: What do you need, what do you need in order to build the silos?
[UNKNOWN]: You need engineers and you need people that designed drills.
[UNKNOWN]: So, what if this is rank emitting?
[UNKNOWN]: Isn't it an rank emitting?
[UNKNOWN]: At all, what if this is what it's really doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Is designing and building the, what if it's like the alien response committee?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I mean, I think they're also, yeah, I guess what I'm saying is what if Daniel is the the father of the agdeer of the silent?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what if you think of his idea?
[UNKNOWN]: or at least, I mean, I think the one thing we can definitely safely assume at this point is that his drill technology, which we find out later, is also special because it doesn't like disturb the soil at the surface.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's more gentle, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's safe for us to assume that this drill technology was used to construct this silo.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're going to find out this season how one connects to the
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, well, what if the silo was all Daniel's idea?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, well find out.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then, okay, so then we were going to get into this discussion about Thurmin, but for now, we, um, we hear from Charlotte that she's, like, had asked the Senator Thurmin to be on this committee and, and Charlotte says, doesn't she owe you and he's like, for what?
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, you said good things about her and he's like, I was running for Congress.
[UNKNOWN]: She's a senator.
[UNKNOWN]: We both represent the good people of the peach state.
[UNKNOWN]: So we find out,
[UNKNOWN]: that they, yeah, that basically German is a senator for Georgia where Donald is a, sorry, Daniel is a congressman, but they are from different parties and they don't know each other.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll say this is a two big changes from the book because A in the book, they're all old
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just another adding another wrinkle.
[UNKNOWN]: They have to get to know each other instead of just like Thurman automatically wanting to help them because they're old family friends, which is the case in the book.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but then the other thing is yeah, they've made them instead of being the same party, which is Democrat in the book, they are now of two different parties, which I am especially, you know, I'm interested to see how this first change plays out, the second part about being different parties.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm actually kind of relieved about because we've had so many debates on the book part of the discord and in the book club episodes in the feedback and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: about what does it mean that they're both Democrats and blah, blah, blah, so I think all of that gets swept away a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: If you just make them of different parties, it's not about what party they're in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the right is just didn't want to get into that mess.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is fair to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He says, yeah, they really don't know each other.
[UNKNOWN]: He says, I'd be surprised if she even knows my name.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I also love in the scene at the end of it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of those two minute meetings that are typical for TV to the extent I don't really question why people meet in the park and immediately go the other way.
[UNKNOWN]: But I am cut.
[UNKNOWN]: I was grateful the Daniel called it out.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, that he was like, wait, I didn't do cabs and two trains for two minutes, and she's like, gotta go, bye.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I love just also showing again the way the siblings know each other.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, you forgot something and he throws up a finger, but she doesn't even have to turn around to know that he's giving him the middle finger.
[UNKNOWN]: She gives him one in return.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so then he meets with the senator.
[UNKNOWN]: So we have Senator Thurman played by Laura Innis.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she agrees to take a meeting with Daniel, and with her is her daughter Anna, played by Morgan Christie.
[UNKNOWN]: And Daniel asks if there will be retaliation against Iran for the alleged dirty bomb they set off in DC.
[UNKNOWN]: An Anna says of course there will be.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel asks if he can jump ahead in the iRound committee line, due to his assumption that his sister is attached to the retaliation mission, and Thurman says she'll see what she can do.
[UNKNOWN]: As Anna escorts Daniel out, she reassures him that he didn't actually blow it despite her warning in the room not to push too hard.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a couple of things here.
[UNKNOWN]: Firstly, I think it's cute that the people right in this new hour in particular thinks the senator is going to have any influence whatsoever on the US military policy because like, if there's one, and so I've not to go off on a huge rant, but if there's one thing that last couple of months approved, it's that you can branch and do pretty much whatever the heck it likes, when it depends on the news.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the blow we've stuff up.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's yeah, that's what's going on in the U.S. right now.
[UNKNOWN]: But historically, there are, and even now, there are certainly, there are senators who are extremely powerful behind the wings and something about a senator is they can hold the office longer.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's definitely the case that there are senators who sometimes even more powerful than the president.
[UNKNOWN]: That was going to, that was going to be my second point.
[UNKNOWN]: When Daniel Lee
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I know what his sister's name was, even though he's only just said it, and maybe I'm reading too much into this, but do you think that was a bit of slight commentary on like how many geriatric sentences there are?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Thurman Sharpe, but I, you know, I can't comment on my, what I think about your Thurman at this point, yet, what do you think about the new characters in general?
[UNKNOWN]: In this case, what do you think about Thurman and her daughter am?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, I just, you just met them, but I just met the bro, so it's Laura and it's just dogs and we, how can I, how can I not, how can I not squeeze, right, Blake?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not an ER watcher, so I only just learned that she's in it, but I'm glad I'm excited to see what's like I was just like widows bay was one of my favorite shows of the year and I know Matthew recently from the wine show I've only never watched the Americans, but now after watching widows bay, I'm like, I see why people like him
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm looking forward to having that experience with Laura and us.
[UNKNOWN]: She's gender swapped versus the book, as I referred to earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: Some people think it's a big deal I do not, because it certainly works well for walker.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, I'm not going to make a big deal out of this because it's TV and it doesn't really matter, but she keeps going on about a friend from J-Sock, which is joint special operations command.
[UNKNOWN]: They would not be running this.
[UNKNOWN]: They would, I mean, I'm not saying they would, I'm not saying they wouldn't know what was going on, but they wouldn't be the people you'd call.
[UNKNOWN]: Who would be running it?
[UNKNOWN]: It'd be sent con.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's just a small thing,
[UNKNOWN]: Okay fair enough fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know I think yeah, so I know I had to look it up Laura and it says for Michigan, but I think she's doing a decent Georgia accent like I love to hear from people who are from there, but yeah it sounded and it was I thought it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: She has the accent but the younger generation does not.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing is it's a mild accent.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't lay on too thick.
[UNKNOWN]: because I think that when you when you got actors trying to do like an identifiable regional axe and I think that's often the mistake they make it's too much.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this was just quite subtle.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: She was laying it on thick when she greeted him as the hero of New Orleans.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And Anna's being very sassy.
[UNKNOWN]: A hero.
[UNKNOWN]: They weren't there 500 army engineers on the project
[UNKNOWN]: because he came up so we found out we talked about the invented some kind of drill that didn't disturb the soil of a above so we talked about that the other interesting thing that's dropped here is he came up with the idea of replacing levies with tunnels so the to control the water because just for anyone who doesn't know norlands has big flooding problems because it works.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, you know what a tunnel is, at least you're, it's just a horizontal side.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, but you know what I'm thinking of more is, and this is again, a change from the book, but that tunnel in the basement could have be related to that.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Could that be some sort of drainage thing or something, or yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and so we find out that Anna works with her mom basically writing legislation, um, and books, in the books, her specialty was different.
[UNKNOWN]: She was more tech-based communications.
[UNKNOWN]: So like I said, there's radio stuff in the books that hasn't been carried over to the show, so I guess it makes sense to move away from that.
[UNKNOWN]: But she was also the one like helping Daniel set up computers and stuff, because like I
[UNKNOWN]: So I get, yeah, so that's the reason she's in the office because she's working with her mom, I'm writing her legislation, but she has, what do you think of her relationship with, because like this is back and forth with her mom, where she's like about the writing the bills, her mom's like she tidies them up and she responds if they start accepting them and cry on, she won't need me, like me out.
[UNKNOWN]: me out.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting tension in the mother-daughter relationship here.
[UNKNOWN]: And I found it interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I found it weird that Donald Daniel, sorry, I'm trying.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel, when she's like, OK, pitch me about why you want to be in this Iran committee.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was like, because my sister might be involved.
[UNKNOWN]: And I would think that that would make him less attractive because it means that he would be biased and emotional.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, but I don't think this isn't a run committee.
[UNKNOWN]: No fair enough, fair enough, but I just from Daniel's side, the fact that he would be like, no, but I want to be on the committee so I can track my sister, and that would be like a hard no in most cases.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm also if it is legitimate, then you know, fate was asked for, fate was done, you know, one hand washes the other kind of thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he's a junior congressman, how much can he help her?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he won't be a junior congressman forever.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I thought it was funny her campaign slogan was apparently don't try do which is she's a Yoda appropriate I wonder I hope we find out like we see somewhere that she's actually a Star Wars fan has like the rebel insignia somewhere or the war the empire Yeah, this is something done done you yeah, you can see how done you want to lecture and he's quite sort of charming and a sort of Kennedy S kind of why
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, again, just great casting.
[UNKNOWN]: They're fantastic, a casting that's yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's get into the last section where I know your tinfoil hat, why, I've already got a tinfoil hat out a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay, okay, so last section, Charlotte goes down and later visits Donald, see, I can't stop doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: And a later visits Daniel in his office to confirm that his sister is indeed slated to fly in the Iran operation that night.
[UNKNOWN]: We cut to the operation and progress.
[UNKNOWN]: Four jets prepared a bomb.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not really sure exactly what.
[UNKNOWN]: When they run into a strange gritty cloud, when they fly through it, whatever is in the cloud starts coding their jets, leaking inside and coding their instrument panels, and Charlotte's fingers.
[UNKNOWN]: Anna and the senator later tell Daniel that Charlotte squadron didn't hit any of the targets being talked about on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: They were on a mission to the mountains when Charlotte's plane went down.
[UNKNOWN]: She was picked up by a rescue team out of Turkmenistan and the next day Anna tells him that Charlotte was taken from Lannstold Germany to Fairfax Virginia to be treated for a traumatic
[UNKNOWN]: So first of all, please, so much of the trailers that we talked about did come from this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's good.
[UNKNOWN]: As I said, I can't wait to see this big operation on my TV.
[UNKNOWN]: It was interesting, like, is this...
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't sure how to take what was going on.
[UNKNOWN]: So they were flying with some bombs that were launched from a ship called the McCain.
[UNKNOWN]: So they were like kind of escorting the bombs.
[UNKNOWN]: Cruise missiles and they need jets to escort?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a bit of, this is a bit of, this is a bit of heatwood.
[UNKNOWN]: You wouldn't you wouldn't do that or you they haven't done that in real life.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is either this is either what's called Sead or Dead So Sead is suppression of enemy air defenses Dead is destruction of enemy air defenses And you can see this without the US has actually gone about bombing and ran What you have in the first instance is tons and tons and tons
[UNKNOWN]: of cruise missiles, or what technically is called standoff leonitions, so that is stuff launched at range that's, that's, that's all economists, it doesn't have a human being inside of it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's job is to basically crack open.
[UNKNOWN]: and the air defense is by destroying both the launches, the radar systems, the communications nets, the electricity that's supplying radar stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't generally have that done now by actual Monday aircraft.
[UNKNOWN]: So this was just this was just Hollywood basically.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're a 35s will turn it, like I say, we got you have 35s in the real world didn't start turning up until day two, day three when the when sunk calm was pretty sure at destroyed or suppressed as much of the Iranian air defense now as it was going as it was going to be able to so they did this just because it looked at.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay, all right, so we find Charlotte is Raider 2 on this mission and then they said something I wasn't so 75 clicks to target find that's clear of the distance and then zoom back to Uncle Chester.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know what Uncle Chester is?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the um, the aircraft carrier.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, but it's live in the, it's the nimmits.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it's the, it's the Chester limit.
[UNKNOWN]: He was, he was the specific flake commander in World War II.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, see?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I didn't know that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: um yeah and so about that stuff one of the raiders says the substance looks like oil but when we get a good look at it on charlotte's fingers it's not it doesn't look like oil or something it's like a bit it's sticky yeah but there's something like a bit floaty about it and it's like not staying glued together like it's floating apart the
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so yeah, so okay, here's where I'm going to get 10 full hat again.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so we already know that there's some skepticism about the idea that a dirty bond was used in Washington, but we also see in the last episode of series two, when Daniel goes to the bar, he is checked by what we are led to believe is some kind of going account.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Before he goes in the boat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the guy says he never gets red.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, never gets red.
[UNKNOWN]: Show.
[UNKNOWN]: What if that's not a guggish answer?
[UNKNOWN]: What if this is not the first time that this gooey stuff has emerged somewhere?
[UNKNOWN]: And what if the whole pretext of the dirty bond was to allow them to scan people, to see whether or not they had been exposed?
[UNKNOWN]: Because like, Charlotte is exposed to a lot of the good, like there's quite a bit of good.
[UNKNOWN]: But what if they were worried about people in Washington being exposed to this good?
[UNKNOWN]: I think that goo is, if there are aliens, I think that goo is the aliens, I think it's like sentient goo.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Based on that?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure, is it maybe I'm overthinking this?
[UNKNOWN]: But what if it's not just suppressing Charlotte's memory?
[UNKNOWN]: What if this is like a possession type situation?
[UNKNOWN]: Because as far as we didn't see whether the other pilots actually touched the goon, we saw it all over their ships.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know if any of that we don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: They made it out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we don't know if they made it out.
[UNKNOWN]: So what if Charlotte is now like the host for this goon?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so what we hear we in so Daniel goes to the situation room outside of Senator Thurman's office and we see there's news on where it's like operation righteous vengeance as righteous vengeance strikes against Iranian nuclear facility, which I'm like a nuclear facility on the water.
[UNKNOWN]: Carrier group deployed to Mediterranean to second carrier group stationed emerging Gulf 30 I don't know what the 30 bombing is, but that was in the title to so I have in the note how much do we trust this news and obviously you're at no no no no no mission to a facility in the mountains my ass
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yes, I think I think the I think this is oh my god, Aliens, let's try and see if we can blow them up.
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously we can't.
[UNKNOWN]: And so Daniel, he was on his way to the airport thinking that Charlotte was just 10 minutes away from landing a joint-based Andrews just outside D.C. and that he was about to meet her at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center when Anna calls and tells him that she's instead
[UNKNOWN]: that the Senator pulled some strings and she's instead going to this Heidi Stencing Clinic.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll say most of these things like that I'm naming exists in our real world, the Heidi Stencing Clinic does not.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, we learned it's in Fairfax.
[UNKNOWN]: So also just outside D.C. And Senator Thurman says, or was it Anna says, this is this clinic is the best in the world for TBI.
[UNKNOWN]: The name should tell you why.
[UNKNOWN]: And so Heidi Stenson is a fictional character in universe, not from the books, not sure who this is.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but apparently this character had Alzheimer's and she has a famous son.
[UNKNOWN]: who set up this clinic at great expense to himself.
[UNKNOWN]: And so this name stents in, not from the books, but I wonder if the character is, I wonder if this is a situation where they change the name again, there's two characters.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's possible that this could be.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, Charlotte has memory problems, which is very interesting that so does Julia.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But like I say, I wonder if Charlotte's issues are all like more serious than that.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if we were like, you know, this is some sort of, you know, some sort of like, yeah, possession time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's invasion of the body's nature.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Any more overall thoughts on this episode?
[UNKNOWN]: like I say, I really don't want, I really don't want a season where Julia at one does ram with no memory, that's going to be kind of boring.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like the Washington stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't want to know what's going on, I want to know what's going on with Shirley and Knox.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, overall good solid, good solid
[UNKNOWN]: Let's round out this season from here with a quick pick three game.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to do the new characters, a game called best friend, reluctant ally, mortal enemy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll give you three names and you choose.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm just saying, I decided not to put hardwood in this game because he'd be the obvious enemy at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope he has a character or probably is a character or this point obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: So silo 18 characters best friend reluctant enemy.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry best friend reluctant ally mortal enemy orla orla's boyfriend and Tony the soup delivery guy Well Tony the soup guy is gonna be best friend because he can get me shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, all that is going to be reduction, ally, all those boyfriend's going to be more.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he, because I don't know anything about him.
[UNKNOWN]: So he could be quite an easy one, or whatever, he's just going to deal with.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to make him reluctant ally.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to make Tony best friend.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just going to get me the soup deals.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Orla, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not suspicious of her, but like,
[UNKNOWN]: I need to know more about her, so she's currently my mortal enemy, not because I associate a hardwood with a book character that I like, because it's clearly not that character, this guy's a dick.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, new characters from Washington, D.C., best friend, reluctant ally, mortal enemy, Charlotte, Anna, Senator Thurman.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm gonna go with, I'm gonna go with Charlotte's best friend, Senator Thurman for Reload to not lie.
[UNKNOWN]: And Anne, more friendly.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what'd she do?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just being really slick.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you being really sleepy about, well, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Being really sleepy about the legislation, the crayons.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's always her mom to be fair.
[UNKNOWN]: But she was snippy with Donald about, like, weren't there hundreds of,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I can't, I realize I can't answer that question because I'm too deeply biased.
[UNKNOWN]: The other ones who are new characters, this one, um, I'm too deeply biased by what I know about the characters too.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, we're not done spoilingly.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I will make a new season resolution to spend more time on the discord.
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[UNKNOWN]: So the last one we did was a preview of the ongoing woke cup, and I think we will do one next week to check in on how well our predictions are fairing, which in my case was not well at all, but yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's main.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And you can find me also on Blue Sky.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll find links to both of our Blue Sky profiles in the show notes as well as to it could be said and also the lower hounds podcast where in the main feed.
[UNKNOWN]: We are doing weekly the vampire list at coverage and weekly house of the dragon coverage and there are dedicated feeds.
[UNKNOWN]: If you just want those and related shows as well.
[UNKNOWN]: into this movie wanting to like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't seen it yet, but I promise, yeah, it's not going to be some of the negativity I'm seeing is like yikes, and I doubt I'm going to feel that way.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And do check out the other affiliate feeds in the network right now.
[UNKNOWN]: We just have dungeons and do rags just join the network.
[UNKNOWN]: And they are also covering house of the dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: There's more like their vibe is four guys hanging out in a barbershop.
[UNKNOWN]: So just like shooting the shit about the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's a nice compliment to our more structured deep dives in the
[UNKNOWN]: Also, my own The Star Wars Canon Timeline podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Check that out.
[UNKNOWN]: Never mind the music where music meets psychology.
[UNKNOWN]: You can find a preview episode for that in this feed, but definitely recommend checking them out.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's going to be a new feed coming up soon, Cosmere Corner, which is covering the brand in Sanderson books that are going to be turned into TV shows and movies.
[UNKNOWN]: So that will launch at the end of July.
[UNKNOWN]: Watch out if you're interested in Sanderson, watch out for more information to come about that as we're covering this show.
[UNKNOWN]: Any final thoughts, Luke?
[UNKNOWN]: Now, just looking forward to episode two, now.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: See you then.
[UNKNOWN]: Just wondering, is that some alien goo on your hands?
[UNKNOWN]: Or are you just happy to see me?
[UNKNOWN]: Ha ha ha ha.