[UNKNOWN]: The Survivor Specialists are back and once again, I am joined by Wes from Once Upon An Island and today we are going to be talking about more players winning Survivor, Nicaragua through Philippines today, that means Fabio, that means Boston Rob, that means Sophie, that means Kim and that means
[UNKNOWN]: Denise that is where we are going today a weird you know last time I was under the radar This is a weird stretch of winners too But I feel like it was kind of like an up and down.
[UNKNOWN]: There was an ebb and flow here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you have two incredibly dominant winners You have two very much under the radar winners Then you have Denise falling somewhere kind of in the middle of all of that so excited to talk about these five winners We just started our Survivor winner rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: We released our bottom ten winners of all time
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to be starting off right now with Fabio, and that is a player that we did have ranked in our bottom 10 probably to the surprise of nobody, although Will ranked him all the way up at like 27, Will absolutely loves Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting game from Fabio here on this Nicaragua season, but Wes, welcome back before we get into Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: How are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing pretty well.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking forward to this talk about this section of winners.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it definitely is good variety here.
[UNKNOWN]: I know there always is, but there can definitely be times.
[UNKNOWN]: There's like, yeah, the winners are similar.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I feel like that with Danny through, I guess I ain't got to agree with this.
[UNKNOWN]: Danny through Todd, I feel like
[UNKNOWN]: There wasn't as much variance as there is here.
[UNKNOWN]: Like from Bobbie to Boss Rob is a massive difference from Rob to Sophie's a massive bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it's almost like Sophie and I guess Sophie Denise probably was similar winners up with those and put that in quotes.
[UNKNOWN]: But even then, I mean, it's just like a wide variety of waiting games here.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it makes for an interesting section to talk about because the different ways they all won.
[UNKNOWN]: But Fabio is our first one.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that Fabio is not everybody's favorite, like he's not respected, but I like Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Nick Rogg was the first season Jeff Probst is an executive producer.
[UNKNOWN]: Take that for what you will, the beginning of the Dark Ages, but I like Fabio as a winner.
[UNKNOWN]: This season though, overall, not a big fan of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think that is what's so interesting about this group of five seasons and maybe Philippines doesn't fall into this, but these are some of the worst casts of all time, which I also think makes it hard to like properly discuss these winners because
[UNKNOWN]: Boston robbing can't have absolutely dominant wins, they played against people who didn't understand what survivor was.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you have somebody like Fabio who wins who's coming out there who's not the best survivor player by any means, definitely that's a cast that's put together in a little bit of a stunt casting way.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Fabio too.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Fabio winning Nicaragua is one of the only redeeming qualities of that season.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's how I feel about Bob.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob was my day one.
[UNKNOWN]: I love this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: But he still doesn't play a very good game and that's kind of where Fabio falls into.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember when you're watching this season unfold, you're like, oh my god, please let Fabio win.
[UNKNOWN]: Once Brenda's out, Chase is just so vanilla and then Sasha's such a, I don't even know.
[UNKNOWN]: And like you're not really rooting for Holly, you're not really rooting for Dan.
[UNKNOWN]: And so Fabio becomes a fan favorite, but Fabio becomes a fan favorite in a way where one you're not even all that excited that he's playing, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Or like nobody ever wants to see him play again.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess is what I should have said.
[UNKNOWN]: And and to it's like, is he actually a fan favorite in the grand scheme of survivors?
[UNKNOWN]: It's strictly because of the seasoning was playing on and how poor of a job they did casting what this season is.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know with with Fabio, it's it's so compelling because his game isn't great, but his game is intentional.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a fan favorite, but he's only a favorite on Nicaragua, not in the grand scheme of survivors.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's a weird place Fabio falls into.
[UNKNOWN]: The season kind of falls off a cliff once the double quit happens.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not because the air team and value just drops off the cliff this last three episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it kind of reflects on my thoughts and the feeling, you know, thoughts and feelings on the season is like, maybe the season is actually better than I think.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just that the last three episodes are so boring, even though Fabio wins.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of like, ugh, it's just not, it really feels good when it finishes, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it doesn't go down as well as other seasons
[UNKNOWN]: I really do kind of hate this season and one of my big things is Dayanka being one of the people that we focus on the whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: I truly think she's despicable and I don't think she's like entertaining despicable.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think she's despicable.
[UNKNOWN]: I just agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Naka is fantastic television.
[UNKNOWN]: She's such an ableist monster.
[UNKNOWN]: I really do, like the way she talks about Kelly Bruno, I think is so, so, so, so, so, so offensive.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and that really bothers me, now granted, I understand why they're putting her on TV, but I think in the society that we've grown into now, you know, people try to go back and be like, no, we love Neonca, it's like if anybody came on survivor now and acted the way Neonca, oh my god, she's with her son and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: because she's, I mean, she's truly evil to Kelly Bruno on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care what she says to Bobby, O'Con, I'm stupid doing any of that, but I really do think she's evil to Kelly Bruno.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing is like, when I'm watching this season, I agree with you about the double boop, but for me, it's like the people that we're focusing on are Marty and Brenda.
[UNKNOWN]: Marty and Brenda are gone by what?
[UNKNOWN]: Final nine.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, they don't get the double boot, the double twaddle.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's brutal.
[UNKNOWN]: The double quit.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I meant.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's really hard to watch once Marty goes out of the game because that's who we as an audience have been focusing on and Brenda as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're right about this season West.
[UNKNOWN]: I rank this as like one of the bottom three or four seasons in the history.
[UNKNOWN]: The fans ranked this season number 43, but Fabio is winner ranked 38 right above the answer.
[UNKNOWN]: So Fabio, that's about where he is every season is around the area last year's 34.
[UNKNOWN]: mid to low 30s for him.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course every season there's two more winners, two more seasons to beat again.
[UNKNOWN]: So the numbers, if you drop a little bit, just could be the new seasons are better than yours.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, I like Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the thing with Fabio though, is he starts the before the season.
[UNKNOWN]: This is again, the DVD's seasons one through 29 are invaluable in terms of the extra content from 30 through 41 a bit hit mess.
[UNKNOWN]: But through 29, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: And this
[UNKNOWN]: get all the ponderosa videos, you get the pre-season stuff, and the pre-season stuff Bobby was like, I know people are going to view me as dumb, and I'm going to play that up.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I may be a little dumb, but I'm going to play in the fact that I'm dumb, because that's what people expect of me, and it's like, I think that's fantastic, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Knowing how people perceive you as important, but also it's like, okay, do I need to up end to this perception of myself or should I play into it and Bobby on this case, like I'm going to play into it because he can only help me and it's one of those things that don't really say on the show they just start seeing off he's like he's done me's Bobby or dumb blonde, you know, out of Shannon's mouth and Shannon.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, voice of reason, Shannon, but he's, I mean, that's the perception of Fabio, he's a bit dumb, and it helps him a lot of times, and by the time people want to get him out, he just goes on and you win, winning straight.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he wins what four or five.
[UNKNOWN]: he doesn't win five I think he wins the last I think he wins the last three because he could go home when Benry goes home at seven six right yeah and then uh at no he's at seven he wins at six he wins at five he wins at four so he wins the final three immunity challenge because they always want to get rid of him during that stretch and like what I love about hurt one two with Jane but he didn't need it that's what a leaner does home he didn't need that one he didn't need that one but he got it
[UNKNOWN]: And what I love about Fabio though is towards the end of the game how he's almost like mocking the players that he's stuck playing with right like I love that he's just sitting there like laughing in their faces towards the end because they also obviously wanted him out of the game and as he starts winning these immunities now they have no way of getting rid of him look is him winning five four super impressive no not really
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, just overall what his, he knew how people were going to perceive him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's so important.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why I rank him higher than a lot of other players.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I do feel like his game was intentional.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't think it was that good.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't think this is a replicable game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that if you come out and you try to play like Fabio again, more often than not, you're going to end up in the Ben Katzman Zero, about finalist spot.
[UNKNOWN]: Then you are,
[UNKNOWN]: as the winner of your season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that this was just a very specific set of circumstances that really worked out in Fabio's favor.
[UNKNOWN]: However, like to know yourself in that way and to be okay coming across that way, to have other players saying you're the dumb blonde and you're dumb and this that whatever, but to be personable enough that it's like okay fine, we'll just let him hang around.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot to be said for that.
[UNKNOWN]: His social game is very good.
[UNKNOWN]: Neonko votes for
[UNKNOWN]: she comes around later by the end she's she's like talking to him on the volcano fire call wasn't yeah I'm pretty sure when she's about to quit Fabio's like getting mad at her and then she's getting mad back at Fabio and he can't wait but it's really nobody now I got along with all the time I seem like yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's brutal.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, yeah, I just I feel like Fabio's game.
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about this a lot and when we go through these winners, especially I think there's a lot to be said about what games you could win like again, and which ones you can't Fabio is the only person who can win his Fabio, it's not an overly strategic game.
[UNKNOWN]: It does rely on communities at the end and that is something that this community just does not really enjoy.
[UNKNOWN]: However,
[UNKNOWN]: You, like, I really believe that if he does it when this season, survivor goes into an even darker place than it already went.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, change wins.
[UNKNOWN]: This season's even worse.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Change wins.
[UNKNOWN]: Or it.
[UNKNOWN]: And if Holly wins, people can make the argument in retrospect.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody was rooting for Holly in 2010.
[UNKNOWN]: No, oh, yeah, it was 2010, fall 2010.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody was excited watching Holly win the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And it sounds like a good storyline of her comeback and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, Jane isn't that popular either, and I'm one of the, that's the one conspiracy I believe is that Jane got fan favorite because that was pretty much a hush money thing of like be quiet.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't announce that sash wasn't allowed to get boats at Final Tribal or Jane got fan favorite this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, really no shot, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like goodness, all right, let me look at this up.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm sure you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want to be like, did they show you?
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes they'll say who, like, second place was.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm curious of like second place was they don't even say it.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's how I, that's why I think that it's rigged.
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's this whole theory.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you know this or not.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's this little bit of a, I know about the sash mortgage thing of us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was gonna pay off her mortgage if she you go to for him the win.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, he says, okay, and then they do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Jane Winne's fan favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: Jen is absolutely not the fan favorite of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you look, for anyone wondering what Phil's talking about, if you look up the fan favorite of what I'm sorry for Wiki, you can see all the time somebody's won the fan favorite award.
[UNKNOWN]: And he'll tell you who the closest opponents were, second, third place, sometimes fourth.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's only three times they've never told you second place well, as one was in Panama, once three won it, which, I mean, fair, it was probably her Terry, let's be real.
[UNKNOWN]: Terry could have won that, so we won it, you know, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure Terry with second is one second if he didn't get first.
[UNKNOWN]: Jane, as you just said, they didn't disclose who second place was.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, why is that?
[UNKNOWN]: Because from seasons, from Cook Islands, through here's a surveillance, they all have revealed who second and third place was.
[UNKNOWN]: Panama is when they brought back the fan favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like maybe they didn't think to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're like, oh, we should do it for Cook Islands.
[UNKNOWN]: Then they just did it from there.
[UNKNOWN]: But you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: And then all of a sudden, they don't do for Nicaragua, but they do for a website island.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they keep, they just keep doing it all with your camera.
[UNKNOWN]: And then in the hands of the fans, they don't reveal it, but like again, massive gap.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think there was even after it wasn't even close to rewinding that thing on 50.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it does look a little suspicious when you look at that chart and you're like, huh, like, it's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they forgot to do on Panama, but no, they definitely chose not to a Nicaragua.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they chose not to, and that's something that I also kind of put in there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Sash would have gotten any I don't think Sash would have gotten any votes anyway at the end because I think he was so sleazy I think everybody saw right through him this entire season But it's definitely something to consider when you talk about the final three of this season Like what it was it always going to be Chase versus Fabio or did Sash have a little bit more of a chance with some people
[UNKNOWN]: I guess not.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I will never know.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just find it to be crazy that that is a conspiracy theory that's out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's one that I kind of buy into a little bit because of the weird circumstances you don't announce second place.
[UNKNOWN]: You have much more popular people on that season.
[UNKNOWN]: Jane never comes back to survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Jane, I don't believe is ever asked to back.
[UNKNOWN]: to survivor, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't think they ever say, hey, we need to have Jane back on survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Marty's always been in the mix.
[UNKNOWN]: Brenda does come back for fans versus favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, Fabio wins the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Chase Rice goes on to become a mega superstar musician and Jane wins fan favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't add up really at all to me.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's the last year.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're not even if they were going to, they were not.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now you know that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I'm looking
[UNKNOWN]: I want to mention there was one person who commented a little while ago, Brendan, um, about maybe six, seven minutes ago.
[UNKNOWN]: 6, 7, saying the contrast from HVV to this season is crazy, just to color so much dollar, you can see it when you watch back to back, various students, something I've said in a lot of my Nicaragua videos, I don't like this location, and I don't think it's the location, I think it's the time of the year they go there, I bet I don't think this is a good time of year for this location in Nicaragua, so it surprises me that they go there for 21, 22, 29, to 30, and I think all four seasons
[UNKNOWN]: you're enjoyment of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there are visual changes in survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: When we go from all stars of Anowatu, like all of a sudden, there's like digital noise reduction, it's almost like what happened to the grain that was in the first eight seasons, which I know some people are like grain, but like when it's there, it's like that's the true image.
[UNKNOWN]: When they were moving, they were moving detail.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Microdesia of course is super, they cranked saturation up after China for some reason.
[UNKNOWN]: And then book a bone is a jump up because it's HD, but from a bone through HVV, like visually, it always looks good.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though token chains doesn't have much color, like, in terms of, you know, versus like a beast location or even good bone, it looks good, but then Nick or August, like, yeah, and then when it goes out, Pacific looks better.
[UNKNOWN]: One world.
[UNKNOWN]: is good except for the credits for some reason on the credits they decide to go like the sepia tone.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't want to call like, and it's like, why?
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't look good.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Philippines, I think looks better.
[UNKNOWN]: Even though it's rainy there, almost all season, it looks better.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just very interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it does affect people's enjoyment of season, like when you're visually looking at a visually dollar season.
[UNKNOWN]: It does not help.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if it looked better, it could help the new era, you know, they're always cranking that saturation up as much as they can get away with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but not here.
[UNKNOWN]: Not here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they were not going to get credit credit and color correcting.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that it's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: You say that though because it is a very gray season.
[UNKNOWN]: And I always wonder, I'm like, is it just because they're on that weird beach where they really couldn't go in the water and like all that and it's like, no, it really is a gray season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's that's a that's an interesting point there brought up by Brennan, uh, even Fabio's bright yellow shirt doesn't quite pop.
[UNKNOWN]: And as much as you feel like it would on other seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's like they were going for a, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, they're doing what the Hollywood producers are doing nowadays or they just drain the color out of every big movie and like blue doesn't exist anymore, everything's just gray.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, so let's, let's talk about Fabio and how he kind of navigates this season and how people kind of try to use him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's never in control, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He's never, I don't think he's ever in control of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think there's ever a time where he's really the one who's driving anything that's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: He is much more of a passenger, which I think is important though to his story does can Fabio win with a different cast or is this specifically the cast he needs?
[UNKNOWN]: Man, I think there are other seasons Fabio Coolyne.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a shame he was an aspect for 40 or 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he posted that online.
[UNKNOWN]: He was an aspect for 40.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't know 40 was happening.
[UNKNOWN]: I was in the room when he found out.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, were you?
[UNKNOWN]: I was at a Johnny Fair Play event.
[UNKNOWN]: Rhino was there.
[UNKNOWN]: Bob Dog was there.
[UNKNOWN]: J.P. from Vanuatu was there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And Wardog was there.
[UNKNOWN]: And Fabio showed up.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was the night Fabio found out they were doing winners at Wardog.
[UNKNOWN]: That's so crazy, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm president just ask every winner and be like, hey, like we're not promising, I think we're just asking.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you got, why would they ask for audio?
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: So...
[UNKNOWN]: It's so crazy because he would be such a different winner than all the other winners they have, especially that season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Fabio winner seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it really comes down to who he's saying next to.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that's almost every winner ever.
[UNKNOWN]: Though I think some winners are immune to whoever they say next to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio is definitely one where I think there's other seasons he would win.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you replaced him in the final three.
[UNKNOWN]: Like let's say you just swapped him.
[UNKNOWN]: into another final three and putting it against two other people.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you win.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you want a new era season though, and if they do, if he does, they put a lot more stock into making him look better.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the story goes out of its way to make a look better if you somehow.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't think a new era of season he would win.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think there are other seasons around this timeframe, older seasons than this one.
[UNKNOWN]: newer I'm struggling I thought my head to think because I think once Tony wins it kind of shifts the game again I think a body of post Tony winning caggan on top my head
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that's, and that's the thing like when I start thinking about who the winners are in the 30s and you start saying to yourself like Troy's ends is zero of a final is because people viewed him as more of a character than a strategist like he is more of an old school player than a strategist can make nickel get zero votes Hannah get zero votes like You know, I'm just pulling out names off the top of my head.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's, you know, tie doesn't do well at his final Tribal Council because he's seen more as a character and I think that's what's really hard for Fabio is that Fabio
[UNKNOWN]: It all depends on how a cast views him.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this being an old-verse young season is perfect for Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think by being an old-verse young season, you're getting that young blood that is saying, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: It's okay to come out here and have a good time and have your hair flow in the wind and we're gonna go do all these different things.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if this was a regular,
[UNKNOWN]: season of survivor where everybody's on an even playing field in the tribes don't actually have names.
[UNKNOWN]: I or they're not they're not broken up by like age or anything gender whatever it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Fabio has a harder time winning and I do think that this cast was willing to take things a little bit more seriously.
[UNKNOWN]: First of all, massively recruited cast.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Jimmy T and Jimmy Johnson were the only two who actually applied for the show.
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm not mistaken,
[UNKNOWN]: did.
[UNKNOWN]: I see.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why you guys come to us.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a Sears competition where he made a video and it was posted on CBS's website and he got the most votes and was cast on the season based off of that.
[UNKNOWN]: This was before they did Cambodia.
[UNKNOWN]: So before there was actually a fan vote to get people on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's uh,
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting that they were willing to still give it the Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Fabio could ever win another season because I don't think people would take it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost like Michelle when she comes back for winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: People are almost annoyed that Michelle knew what was going on so much, that they don't want to reward her and it's like, okay, they're not going to reward her over Tony anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: But if she sits next to Natalie and Sarah, she probably still doesn't get rewarded.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's where Fabio falls in a little bit more.
[UNKNOWN]: And even if it was his first time playing,
[UNKNOWN]: There's not a lot of casts who want to go for kind of the goofy 21, 22, however old he was, kind of guy who's just like the skateboard surfer, bro.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Spobio, so if you go back to past seasons, I think Bobio Winskebone, which isn't saying a lot, I think Bobio Winskebone, if you replace any of the final three of them, I think he wins Samoa, if you replace Mick with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if you replace Natalie with him, he wins, like he's against Mick and Russell, he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think he wins if he replaces Mick.
[UNKNOWN]: I could be wrong on that because again, I did like how did he get to the final three?
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like was he the Brett of that season?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's not Mike Tyson, he's Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure how Fabio gets there.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let's say Fabio is in mixed spot.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think Fabio wins.
[UNKNOWN]: Put, all right, so that I think back, keep going back.
[UNKNOWN]: Micronesia, I don't think he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he wins token chains.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's not being seen, he's not being JT.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Micronesia, he's not winning China.
[UNKNOWN]: He could win 14 Fiji If you replace the like you replace if you replace Earl with him.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins like but he just played the Earl game to get to the final three I think that's the other thing like can no no
[UNKNOWN]: That's my book.
[UNKNOWN]: Bobby was the same person.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just on a different season.
[UNKNOWN]: He got to file free doing the exact same thing he did, which of course is ridiculous because like the different season with different rules.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm saying that I think there's older season's Bobby okay when final freeze.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm trying to think beyond 21 like I don't think he wins a boss or ops season unless boss or ob just isn't there.
[UNKNOWN]: You know and like okay like what a crap cast that is?
[UNKNOWN]: That's not saying a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: And then South Pacific does
[UNKNOWN]: Does he beat Sophie, uh, so if he Clark, like, let's say he's saying next to the winners.
[UNKNOWN]: Is he beat boss Rob now?
[UNKNOWN]: Does he still if he Clark now?
[UNKNOWN]: But if I go back, I'm like, I think he beats Bob Crowley.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he could beat Natalie White.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, beyond the Rockwell, I don't know if he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: But before in a Rockwell, I think he could win.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this older season.
[UNKNOWN]: I maybe beat Sophie Clark, uh, like he replaces Albert.
[UNKNOWN]: And because he wouldn't be scummy.
[UNKNOWN]: Look out, Earth.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to come across as more goofy.
[UNKNOWN]: So what's your best, what's your best Fabio move?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Fabio, his best move was, it's going to sound, I guess, not let's not like a move individual move, but I think really, he, of course, winning immunity is a move, so he needed the win to got at the time he got them, but he's in terms of social game, it's the fact that he like,
[UNKNOWN]: He made it like a fended, but like Fabio never held grudges.
[UNKNOWN]: People in season held grudges.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a lot of villains cast on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio was not a villain.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a hero amongst villains.
[UNKNOWN]: They clearly from China, in my opinion, from China until through this season, they were trying to cast villains.
[UNKNOWN]: You could tell, like more villains than heroes.
[UNKNOWN]: And Fabio was a hero amongst villains.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that helped him a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: People were like, they didn't view him as a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: And he played into that.
[UNKNOWN]: He was never like, hey guys, I'm actually smarter than you think I am.
[UNKNOWN]: Bobby wasn't out there trying to prop himself up and it made people feel okay about him but eventually people were like well we can't let Bobby or he'd go and that's what he wanted me to do so I think he was always like willing to just I mean he's like oh what the heck guys but same time like Bobby wasn't you never felt like oh I hate Bobby oh
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's such a game just that we like him.
[UNKNOWN]: Even if you think he's dumb or even if you don't think he's the best, you're just like him.
[UNKNOWN]: You like the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: He's hard not to like.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that that is fair and especially with the type of game that Fabio played.
[UNKNOWN]: But if I'm going for like a move, a tribal council move, something like that, when he decides to stick and get rid of Kelly B over Marty.
[UNKNOWN]: When they all make that decision, him, purple Kelly, Brenda, they decide, okay, we're actually going to take out Kelly B. I think that was a good move for him because it gave him options and kept the threat in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, Kelly B was going to be somewhat threatening later in the game because people are going to be worried about her rigidity votes, but like Marty, such a gamer, of course they're going to be looking at Marty.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a shield too, because Marty had to end.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're looking at now you have more inroads with some of the older people.
[UNKNOWN]: So not keeping it as young versus old was a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Because even though this season ends as three young people sitting at final three, three esfadas are there at final six.
[UNKNOWN]: And Fabio gets Dan's vote.
[UNKNOWN]: And Fabio also gets Marty's vote.
[UNKNOWN]: So like being willing to kind of cross that boundary with some of the older people, him and Chase get the same amount of old people votes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Fabio, I think he wasn't impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if you're looking for like an impressive winner, this is not it, but if you're looking for a likable winner, Fabio's very likable as a winner.
[UNKNOWN]: What's his worst move is the fact that he didn't really, like he was almost never in on the majority of votes showing that he was usually at the loop on who was going.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like, oh, I'm not going to vote for this person because they're my friend.
[UNKNOWN]: It was more, most of the time, like, Fabio didn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, how you just didn't know how key tried voting off Marty by the way on the Jill vote, but Jill and it's sad
[UNKNOWN]: I need to remember that.
[UNKNOWN]: Three, two, two.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, Nicaragua can go in one ear and out the other.
[UNKNOWN]: He was not in on the Shannon vote, votes for Brenda.
[UNKNOWN]: He was not in on the Jill vote, votes for Marty.
[UNKNOWN]: He was not in on the Marty vote, votes for Jane.
[UNKNOWN]: He was not in on the Benry vote, votes for Holly.
[UNKNOWN]: He was, so I see a half the time he was in on the majority.
[UNKNOWN]: votes for Holly, votes for Dan, votes for Jane, votes for Brenda, votes for Alina, votes for Kelly Vee.
[UNKNOWN]: three four votes which sound I guess I thought it was more than that, but my thing is he also only goes to one two three four five six seven eight nine ten tribal councils so he only votes correctly 60% of the time.
[UNKNOWN]: that's not very good.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing is like if you're asking what's his worst move, it's probably just what takes place at Final Thirteen because Fabio has literally no control Dan and Benry both vote for Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: They really think Fabio is going home.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio doesn't even vote for Benry who ends up going home.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio has no idea what's happening.
[UNKNOWN]: He loses total control there.
[UNKNOWN]: He ends up surviving it.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for him, but he has no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to survive it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio like him as a winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that his games won to replicate.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's I think there's some games you could take as a blueprint.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio definitely not one of those blueprint games.
[UNKNOWN]: And how do we make problems?
[UNKNOWN]: I think Jeremy Calls Cambodia is the blueprint.
[UNKNOWN]: Like build off of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Do that and build off of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But don't.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not that's.
[UNKNOWN]: This is just not one of them.
[UNKNOWN]: What's uh, how far was he from a perfect game before I move on.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh gosh, great question.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio was Six votes off a perfect game for those who did not listen to prior podcast we've done.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect game is how many votes you are off from having zero votes against you, but then getting every single jury vote.
[UNKNOWN]: The only statistical definition we have to define what a perfect game is and Bobby was six votes off.
[UNKNOWN]: He missed four votes, of course, Chase got those at Final Tribal, and then he got two votes again, Subner in the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking to see who did that.
[UNKNOWN]: He only did it at the factory.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was only when Dan and Bennery voted for him at final seven.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the only time he got votes because then when they wanted to go back, he kept winning immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: So they could vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was just the Bennery vote.
[UNKNOWN]: That's only time he got votes against him.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, yeah, he had he had at the right time, but he almost lost a chase.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank goodness that Quidders could stay on the jury because without without the Quidders, he loses four to three to chase and the season's worse for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Chase, Chase promising things than two seconds later turning around not doing them.
[UNKNOWN]: He did not get there.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you want to reward, because the reward doesn't take the person.
[UNKNOWN]: Does like twice, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's not promising things.
[UNKNOWN]: He's brutal.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's move on to Boston Robb.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: So Boston Robb, winner of Survivor Redemption Island.
[UNKNOWN]: this is the always when we do these rankings and we haven't talked about him yet so I'm not going to say where I have him ranked in my winter rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know we're ranking all 50 and we're ranking both Tony games individually we're ranking both Sandra games individually.
[UNKNOWN]: When I talk about Boston Robbs to me, this is the hardest one to rank.
[UNKNOWN]: Because statistically this is the most dominant game there is like there's no denying that.
[UNKNOWN]: He takes his tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: He votes out every single person he wants to vote out.
[UNKNOWN]: There's never any opposition to him at all.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins however many immunity he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't even need him because nobody's ever going to try to vote up Austin Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: He sits at the end and he just doesn't get one vote because Ralph is there.
[UNKNOWN]: However, it's his fourth time playing.
[UNKNOWN]: and he's playing against a bunch of recruits who have absolutely zero idea what survivor is.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a part you got JT played an equally dominant game this first time because every vote went his way, every vote on JT's way, and that's to work with boss rob hat power.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying you say it's most specifically dominant.
[UNKNOWN]: I think JT first game is just as dominant.
[UNKNOWN]: As ball and that's fair I think for me it's like when you watch this season it's like hey Rob says it's going to happen and so he spoils every single episode because whatever he's going to happen ends up happening.
[UNKNOWN]: The move against Matt is absolutely brilliant.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the best move of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no denying it in my opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the move of that's Boston Rob's best winning move on his winning season when they vote out Matt when he comes back from redemption island.
[UNKNOWN]: And he just eliminates him so that there's no avenue for Andrea or anybody to make anything happen.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, what do you do with Boston Rob?
[UNKNOWN]: He's playing, this is like, okay, damn marino in his prime, or
[UNKNOWN]: six years into his career is going to go play against a bunch of middle schoolers.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's what this felt like and whatever quarterback you want to use, it doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what this felt like.
[UNKNOWN]: And you can say, well, that's positive enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Look how early Russell goes out.
[UNKNOWN]: nobody liked Russell right Russell had had done so much damage to his reputation so early on nobody liked Russell at all and so I can't even be like oh man Russell did such a bad job it's like no Russell really didn't have a chance stepping on to that island especially since he immediately goes back to his shenanigans Boston Rob just plays the hey I'm your buddy and
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like, of course he was going to win when you look at the players who are on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no competition here.
[UNKNOWN]: There's zero.
[UNKNOWN]: Something interesting to note for those who, you know, survivor repeats this location.
[UNKNOWN]: This is Nicaragua again, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: So they do reuse that beach.
[UNKNOWN]: We're like in last season, like the massive river ends up playing through when it floods late on season, they reuse that beach.
[UNKNOWN]: But no, most, something I didn't realize when I was watching San Juan del Ceres that the merge beach of redemption island were Matt immensely talks to boss and robin that rock and says,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was gonna blow you off, but I decided not to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like boss robbs like this dude made a big mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: When they were on that rock, that's the exile, that's exile island from San Juan del Sur.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's the exile.
[UNKNOWN]: The exact same rock, because it's so visually distinct.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I watched San Juan del Sur, I'm like, why do I recognize this location?
[UNKNOWN]: And it took going back to redemption island.
[UNKNOWN]: And like that's the rock boss robbing Matt sat on, and Matt's like,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was going to vote you off Rob and Andrew's like they're like, what is he doing?
[UNKNOWN]: And so Rob obviously he in many people's I should have won all stars.
[UNKNOWN]: I think all stars what redeems this to me and makes it like, okay, boss Rob only won because a bunch of like morons like true.
[UNKNOWN]: There were a ton of morons this season.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think watching him dominate all stars reassured me that like he's not a one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was like a one season wonder doing this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I saw him dominate all stars against people who while that was not asked to teach clearly advanced it was people who all played an equal number of times and he did the exact same thing of controlling the game.
[UNKNOWN]: He only works from this position that we cannot be behind the numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's very limited in his tool set, but the tools he has, he's very good at, but he's not flexible at all.
[UNKNOWN]: So if he doesn't get his way, then he doesn't work.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not very, he's not very good player.
[UNKNOWN]: But when he does, when we're going the path that you want, then we're fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost like he's a football team and the only thing you do is run.
[UNKNOWN]: He can't pass.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all of you knew he was running.
[UNKNOWN]: If he can't run, he can't, like he cannot pass.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have a quarterback, nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: He has a running game and an offensive line and that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: If that doesn't work, robbed it, you know, that's almost like how he plays.
[UNKNOWN]: And we see the leaders at work.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he comes out and wants to do the buddy system.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're all like, yeah, we're not going to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's a pretty awesome, I think he was just goofing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think he was really trying.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he did it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he thought it was going to work.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was trying to make T.E.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I really think was happening with the buddy stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when you watch him on the traitors, it felt like he had a plan to go in there and just get rid of the survivor winners.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all he really seemed to care about was getting rid of the survivors and being the last survivor standing.
[UNKNOWN]: So, it did not feel like he wanted to win that either.
[UNKNOWN]: Felic, he just wanted to make tea good TV.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying survivor, he didn't go in with the intention of winning, where's the war?
[UNKNOWN]: I think he did.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think when the buddy system happened, I think he was like, okay, already know I'm going.
[UNKNOWN]: Might as well make good TV.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying that wasn't a strategic move either.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't think.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think boss Rob was thinking he was winning.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what's Amber of Odoff?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, does that tell the season is going?
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, I'm sure he built it up in his mindering island of the idols when he didn't tell Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: That was going on.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's like, oh yeah, when is a war, I'm going to play a great game now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this Ethan, he dominates Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: He does.
[UNKNOWN]: He like statistically is not close to perfect game, but goodness gracious.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no point where you question if Rob's winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's not worth the perfect game just because the Zapatera is vote for him every chance they get.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's never a shot that anybody is ever going to flip.
[UNKNOWN]: to vote out Rob like so this apateras are voting for him, but it's like me voting for a third party president who's not even on the ballot.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like I can write in West's name and say West wants upon an island congrats.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to get four votes, but you have no shot of ever winning.
[UNKNOWN]: That was so just really the only time that very first episode when they gave them like one confessional that you had no idea it was gonna dominate the season just watching the first episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Like sure tribal council goes away to spulps, you know kind of crazy and all that, but it like the episode like made you felt you led you to believe that boss Rob could have gone.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the only time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Was that for your first one?
[UNKNOWN]: When the Christina had the idol.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like they could have idle to them out, but they were more ons, but they could have.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they didn't know Phil was going to blow anything up, but they could have.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know that Phil up was actually like one of the worst players of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, Rob wins four immunities on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: The character's family on his back fell literally on his back that Jeff just like, well, you were talking about the glazing last time.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's the phrase you used when we
[UNKNOWN]: It's so hard.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a short tree.
[UNKNOWN]: Did he?
[UNKNOWN]: No, we did.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, I mean, I really had a short tree.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but that's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: The glazing here of Boston Rob by Jeff is just a snap.
[UNKNOWN]: He's literally carrying his face.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like no, he's actually not literally doing that, Jeff.
[UNKNOWN]: If you don't know what the word literally means, if you think he's literally carrying his family in his back, when there's pictures of his family on a t-shirt.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what are we talking about here?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I just
[UNKNOWN]: My thing is with Boston Rob on this season, I do rank him really high.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't put it in the top 10, but I put him close.
[UNKNOWN]: And my thing with Boston Rob is like, would it have been more impressive?
[UNKNOWN]: It was a full all-star season, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, would I have appreciated this more?
[UNKNOWN]: This was here as versus villains, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Would I have appreciated this more if this was the original all-star's, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm always going to knock him a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: It's his fourth time plane.
[UNKNOWN]: He's playing with amateurs and he is a Hall of Famer.
[UNKNOWN]: So that is going to be a knock against him for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: But this was also this pretty much laid the groundwork for if you're on a half and a half season, this is how you should play it.
[UNKNOWN]: And Coach comes out the next season, having seen this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And he plays almost the exact same game as Boston Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: Coach just doesn't know how to finish at Final Travel Council.
[UNKNOWN]: Any mistake can only take somebody who can beat him to the end, he should have taken Rick.
[UNKNOWN]: Or should have put more of an effort in to get Rick there than Sophie.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like
[UNKNOWN]: you know, this is the way you're supposed to play if you're in this captain type position and we don't see anybody else be able to replicate this moving forward whether it's Philippines, whether it's, it's, you know, as I said.
[UNKNOWN]: edge of extensions and other one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, this is something, but again, this cast is they were this cast in South Pacific they're they're they're getting layups to their returning players.
[UNKNOWN]: They want a lot of stuff as the first, you know, captain season.
[UNKNOWN]: Stephanie, we're just following to doesn't have a chance of winning because she's seeing next to apparently.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know who we talked about that season already.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, we're proud to have been.
[UNKNOWN]: So there should be only one with where it's, if it's half and half or whatever, or they'll be too scoop and make smile for you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm saying, like, administration, nation, the only season where it doesn't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they're like, screw these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, good for them.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I would say too, if I was there.
[UNKNOWN]: Screw these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: It's truly not going to win against them.
[UNKNOWN]: Or if I do, it's not, there's there's going to dominate the edit all season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that's green time to share.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what that's what I'd be thinking on the island.
[UNKNOWN]: So what do you think boss Rob's worst move is worse to move?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, can I say it's best move first because my in my opinion is best move.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm I love learning things I love.
[UNKNOWN]: being taught things.
[UNKNOWN]: I do love teaching, but it sounds like, oh, I love telling our people to do.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I really love learning.
[UNKNOWN]: Therefore, I also love teaching as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think one thing, a boss don't really taught me this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Something that I think other people did not.
[UNKNOWN]: taking account in other seasons is when somebody comes back into the game, you vote them out.
[UNKNOWN]: Immediately, you don't let them today.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when South Pacific rolls around like Aussie gets voted off, sure, but it wasn't because they were like, he came back in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: There's like, it's because it's Aussie.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it wasn't, it was his name that got him out.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, okay, blood versus water, who comes back into the game, Laura Moreth, Laura Moreth,
[UNKNOWN]: Not really a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: So they keep her around, but she eventually, and she goes out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, because did you know, Sierra votes out her own mom.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if everybody knows that.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the next week, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: It just seemed like, and then, of course, infamously edge of extinction or Chris comes back and they just let him go to file for a.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he also has it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he, he plays two idols and makes fires.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he does trick what's her name?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was Lauren and giving him an out for him.
[UNKNOWN]: but they weren't gonna blow them off anyways at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember, he didn't have the votes at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Just poor gameplay.
[UNKNOWN]: I think boss Rob taught us like, if somebody comes back into the game, you just get rid of them right away.
[UNKNOWN]: Just get rid of them, there's a story there.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want that story.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a story you don't have.
[UNKNOWN]: And they've already been burned.
[UNKNOWN]: So why are they gonna trust you fully, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And we see it with Rick Devon.
[UNKNOWN]: Rick Devon's makes it all the way to final four of Edge of Extinction.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's even a better example than the others.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he keeps going.
[UNKNOWN]: because yeah, he plays a lot of one in the communities.
[UNKNOWN]: But like he's almost going to win the game and you look at this season with Matt, Matt comes in, Matt says what he says to Rob, it's so stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: But like if they don't get rid of Matt there, Matt and Andrea were considering after this vote, then we'll get rid of Rob or then we'll start getting rid of the Omatepays, but we have to get rid of one person from that side so everybody feels comfortable.
[UNKNOWN]: But Rob gets rid of him and then from there on it's six five and he has his little minions like they're never going to flip Andrey has no return and by getting rid of Matt he puts the fear of God into all of them.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all terrified to do anything and because they don't truly understand the game.
[UNKNOWN]: They can't do anything.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't do anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think Matt, I think Matt would have been likable enough to win if Rob's not there.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's say that works.
[UNKNOWN]: You just said a Valkin Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Matt has a good chance of winning in a file for it in this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Andrea comes back in later, gets voted off again.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if Andrea at that point wins.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's say Andrea wants to have red.
[UNKNOWN]: Ashley was the only candidate chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Rob hated Ashley.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Just hated scoring.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, please the biggest threat.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not sure if Andrew comes back and she wins, but Ozzie comes back in and Ozzie's removed because Ozzie's a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like, it doesn't help that he came back in.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to think like, Laura Morek comes back in, they get rid of her.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's always like, okay, first came back in, we can't let them stay until Edge of extinction.
[UNKNOWN]: And so like that's as best move my opinion as worst move though.
[UNKNOWN]: don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the show screwed up by not actually having any challenges where Robin Russell faced off in the first two episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they did not plan on any face off.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there should have been the sumo at sea or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I hear a hero challenge like they do in Cambodia, which I know they had, I don't think they done that yet.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm recalling correctly.
[UNKNOWN]: But if you start South Pacific too, they have Aussie go against code.
[UNKNOWN]: A hero challenge, right, because they actually plan for it, where I felt like this season they kind of like, we're like, oh, shoot, we don't really have a hook to this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get bought.
[UNKNOWN]: Or Jeff's like, I'm executive producer, what can I do?
[UNKNOWN]: I can bring back Boston Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's probably more realistically what happened because that is the plan to have these attorneys.
[UNKNOWN]: That was the whole point.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get Boston Robin Russell won't that be so much uninterreplicated interesting story line from Heroes vs. Villains with the worst cast ever assembled.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, I mean, it definitely was set up in that reunion and it had promise at the reunion, but yeah, they just did not think they could have done another all I don't they couldn't have done all our fantasies and I guess I just don't know how survivors not really built for the raw versus Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not built for that format.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like an amazing race thing and even then you got all like 11 teams at least.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I will bring amazing race every podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: And the other problem with the format is like they're never going to be on the same tribe like you were relying on them by making the merge which like obviously challenges where they had they had but yeah we're going to be each other but they don't have any approach both make the merge but as you encode like there's no rivalry there it's not coach versus JT or whatever it's as he versus coach so we're not like excited that they're going to get there together and then same thing with Philippines like yeah pattern scoop and both make it who cares they
[UNKNOWN]: is the only thing they have in common at that point.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, yeah, it's funny that this was the one that was really set up as a rivalry.
[UNKNOWN]: And the whole point of the season is over by the end of episode four.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when Russell gets voted off, and then the twist of the season just ends up being like they had better ideas apparently people I know we're talking about Rob, but like I find talking about seasons interesting as well, because it all plays into why things play out the way they did like they had great buffs playing for those in redemption, I don't know like that's a cool idea why didn't they do it because they chance not to but like that's a cool idea why didn't why didn't they do that like you're without a color you thought about I don't know I mean you have a buff, but it's a redemption on buff.
[UNKNOWN]: It just seems like, I don't know, it just seems like they just have hardly any of this idea.
[UNKNOWN]: The problem is this was Jeff, so this is Jeff's second season as executive producer.
[UNKNOWN]: And the first one of the first decisions he makes is to change the entire format that has worked perfectly for 21 seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, to be fair, the al-Kast was the season seven.
[UNKNOWN]: And he hated that idea and he talks about how I did repair it.
[UNKNOWN]: He still bashes it at least through when there's a war.
[UNKNOWN]: It's lost on my herd of talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's still like, Mark Bernatt had this outcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like Jeff, that's just the edge of extinction.
[UNKNOWN]: You ended up doing that idea, Jeff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You stepped on an injury.
[UNKNOWN]: I did, Jeff, why can't you get to say it?
[UNKNOWN]: It's so crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I, yeah, it drives me nuts, Jeff, I mean, that was one of his first decisions being the guy, and it's like Jeff, how is this what you decided to do right away?
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if the season could have been better.
[UNKNOWN]: So I really boss are just dominating season.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets the numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: He just dominates people, follow over backwards for him, and the people who go against them don't have numbers to anything.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really boss Rob's game.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder how the season would have been, had they done the edge of extinction, not edge of extinction, but the edge of extinction, like being two captains on each season?
[UNKNOWN]: Like what if it was Rob and someone else?
[UNKNOWN]: So Rob in a lady and Russell in a lady.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe Russell and Parvity, if you really want to get, and Rob in a game.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's Rob with though what ladies with Rob Sandro?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I think that's going right down.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandro always says yes by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she would have done this.
[UNKNOWN]: She would have.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm going to say that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So like Rob and Sandro versus Russell and Harvey like, like, wow, like that would have been more interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And then if a returny goes out, at least there's more.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what a flop of a scene.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I think that makes it more interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: How much credit can you give Rob, he dominate, he dominate, he dominates.
[UNKNOWN]: But if this was him in Marquesis and he dominated against the others 15 people like this, it's different story.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one all stars.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have ranked them higher than Amber of course.
[UNKNOWN]: But he wins all stars.
[UNKNOWN]: That's that's a top five win based on how dominant he was in the strategy that he enforced.
[UNKNOWN]: But Amber winning puts it like bottom.
[UNKNOWN]: She's I think we just ranked Amber at number 42, which I think is too high for Amber.
[UNKNOWN]: I had a 48.
[UNKNOWN]: So Phil, do you think Boston so boss Rob said no to 50 because Rob yeah because Jeff always asked Rob any season that you could come back on Rob you want to come back says no to 50 do you think he comes back if Jeff's like Rob we wanted you blood versus water three will you do this with your oldest kid yes he will I think so too I think Rob will do this at
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think you would.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Rob would look for the hero moment of falling on the sword to get his daughter for his daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And he'll, but in confessional, he'll tell us that he's going to vote off his daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't care.
[UNKNOWN]: But in reality, he's he's going to fall and let his daughter knock him out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And good for him, by the way, that's what a good dad would do.
[UNKNOWN]: You wouldn't want to, you don't go in to be an a hold of your daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: 18.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's great.
[UNKNOWN]: What would I thought?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets knocked.
[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people just have.
[UNKNOWN]: the thought it's it's this season that he won or I agree with you if you want all stars I think he would be top 10 of he ranks it would rank in the top 10 but this season ranks 46th so it says a lot that the winners 18 but the season's 46th or the season's below it if we talked about we've talked about Thailand we're gonna talk about one world soon and 41 and island of the adults are all below it I think fair fair fair
[UNKNOWN]: So far on our rewatch and I just finished 33 and I'm into 34.
[UNKNOWN]: To me, redemption island is so much worse than anything else we have seen in the first 34 seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not close.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there is such a massive gap between one world which I would say is the next word season and redemption island.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate 41 because I think 41 literally ended survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: As we knew it, although now that I'm watching game changers back, oh my god is every decision that they make on that season a terrible one.
[UNKNOWN]: And you tell the seeds of 41 were there for quite a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was the jump.
[UNKNOWN]: The shark was game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think Redemption Island is the worst season they ever put together.
[UNKNOWN]: There is nothing exciting to watch from episode three.
[UNKNOWN]: The first two episodes are great.
[UNKNOWN]: And then as soon as Rod's logo gets voted out, there is nothing left to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: The only other good episode is the merge episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Mac goes home and you're like, oh god, now I have to watch seven or eight more episodes of this.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no drama.
[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing to cling on to.
[UNKNOWN]: So we didn't talk about it, but Rob was eight votes off a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we talked about the fact that you said a lot of people voted from along the way, and that's really what it was.
[UNKNOWN]: People just throw on votes on him because they're like, maybe the morons on Rob in Rob's Alliance will see the light, and the morons in Rob's Alliance did not see the light, or they were too gunshot to do anything about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, no, if I turn on Rob who vote for me, the point is that Rob's not there, he can't vote for you, dummies.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's like riso on 49.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we can't vote for riso because he has a goal.
[UNKNOWN]: That you know what it is though.
[UNKNOWN]: This is also where redemption island really helped Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they were scared that he'd get back into the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And in the shape he was, the season is possible.
[UNKNOWN]: He does.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not fat dad, Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's he's, he's, he's in shape here.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the he's fantastic at puzzles.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's phenomenal and that's what a lot of the stuff was.
[UNKNOWN]: And they all saw now you're seeing in the post merge.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, it's just you have to be top three at a forward to advance.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: He can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I feel the very last show he doesn't win that it's the stupid stand what you're foot up on the thing that a woman wins every single time because women have stronger hips than men, which is just a fact.
[UNKNOWN]: And so they win that every time that's the worst challenge to do as your last challenge, because it's wow, didn't do that for this envelope versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a Tina gets back in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, I forgot.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's one that I think the most recent version was D winning it.
[UNKNOWN]: A woman wins that challenge every single time.
[UNKNOWN]: Aussie gets back in on South Pacific on holding onto the pole.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the pole, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is the one I think you should do as the last one every time.
[UNKNOWN]: Because that's one that like you really can anybody can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And you might say, well, bigger bodies, they can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Anybody can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think honestly, if we have to do endurance, challenge the one where you hold the arm above your head with the bucket of water.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's the most fair.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the most fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's not like size or weight dependent or anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Where I feel like even the pole is size and weight dependent, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, Rob dominant winner was on a bad season, but hey, as he says on winners award Michelle, you win you win and that's a Tom said you'll win you win, you know, and I agree a wins a win, you know, we can knock the million dollars cached all the same cached all the things everyone else is everybody's spending their money.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, everyone's going to million bucks.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet Robin Russell got a nice check from just being on the season before.
[UNKNOWN]: Supposedly, they don't, they weren't doing appearance fees.
[UNKNOWN]: Supposedly, survivor doesn't do appearance fees.
[UNKNOWN]: And I kind of believe that.
[UNKNOWN]: I know winners of war, they all got 40 K to be on that season.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that was different though.
[UNKNOWN]: That was, that was different because it was getting the winners back.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was the extra incentive to come back.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, like I'm talking about, like, when you do these,
[UNKNOWN]: at the season makes the season's fan favorite seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I believe that, especially this time because Rob while he was a he's survivor royalty He's definitely not he's not who he is today where it's like people are trying to get him on their shows You know today Rob you put Rob on your show to give people to watch your show in 206 as we talk the traders dealer no deal island I figure what else when he was on the amazing race that's why I mean I watched the amazing I sure already, but when he was on the season like I was looking forward to watching Rob
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, Rob's a crazy, big poll.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, well, time to move on, time to move on to the follow-up to that season, which was South Pacific, which is, hey, how are we going to get Jeff's favorite to another win?
[UNKNOWN]: That's the era of survivor, we're in, that is truly what people were thinking at this time.
[UNKNOWN]: No women, attorneys, Bill, just men.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, hey, and it takes a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we had Stephanie as the first female returning, and it takes until Edge of Extension to get another female returning, and that was because they did two and two on each tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the only reason I think we get to women.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, I don't think we get to women at all.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: Sophie wins.
[UNKNOWN]: And we were just talking about the blueprint to win a season as the mixed person, like as the returning favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: That was the blueprint Boston Rob set it.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that poverty had already won it, but I truly think that this was a bigger deal.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that this that Rob did it and that was a bigger deal.
[UNKNOWN]: So now we go and we look at Sophie and she gives the blueprint for how to win.
[UNKNOWN]: as the non-returning favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: She gives the blueprint of how to win as the person who's coming in and having to deal with the egos.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard to rank Sophie's game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a very invisible game from the editor perspective, but Sophie plays the exact style of survivor that you need to play.
[UNKNOWN]: in order to win this kind of season and she does it and she does a masterful job of it and she beats coach at the end and like she doesn't get the flower she probably deserves because she's not the most interesting she's not the most compelling right but she gives the blueprint for how to win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: her bearing coach a file travel though was just like chef's kiss.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm so glad.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that was any a difference maker at all, but I sure hope it was because her revealing that that idol find was just a bunch of like they were praying and but he already had his pocket and I'm like, just gold, just yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know, again, who knows of it made difference, but like, narratively, it very satisfying to see that huge situation happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Get, you know, in a way, like you see Brandon shocked face the season in the finale, I don't like again.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Brandon was being legit.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he hides can hide his emotions.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he can bake his emotions.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's Brandon this season.
[UNKNOWN]: His emotions are very real.
[UNKNOWN]: No matter what emotion you're getting from him.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Just narratively it's narratively they did not care for Sophie, but narratively satisfying this.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's such a shame.
[UNKNOWN]: To me, I actually think that her win is one of the most important and survivor history.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know when I said that on the Patreon podcast, Will and Blake were both like, Yeah, but I think most survivor fans would have been more satisfied with a coach winner with an Aussie.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, but Aussie.
[UNKNOWN]: I think most casual fans would have liked that more, but I think that this was so important to the show to prove that you could come out and play survivor against these kinds of like legends and still win.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know Danny had beaten Stephanie.
[UNKNOWN]: That kind of felt like it was set up for Stephanie to win as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it ended up being...
[UNKNOWN]: Danny who beats her in the end.
[UNKNOWN]: But now we're into this era where all of a sudden like you've said numerous times Jeff takes over as the executive producer that is a big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: And so if Jeff is taking over as executive producer and the second season he takes over Boston Rob gets his win.
[UNKNOWN]: And the third season he takes over now coach or Aussie, you're going to get theirs.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not what people want to watch survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: They want to watch everybody who's on an even playing field.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't want to just watch these people take victory lives.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not what it's about.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think so these win is honestly so unbelievably important.
[UNKNOWN]: It just showed you that Jeff, from the timing to go over, just didn't get what Sarah fans were wanting from the show, the family sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I really, I don't think Jeff,
[UNKNOWN]: This is just my thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Based on all the preseason press, so again, the extras on the DVDs are invaluable, they're edited of course, but they're invaluable because it's so much stuff that like most fans don't know and it gives you more insight like Jeff.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Jeff chose what they did in Nicaragua with that make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he had decisions, but I don't think Nicaragua was his season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was a Mark Burnett season.
[UNKNOWN]: Redemption on it was his season.
[UNKNOWN]: South Pacific was his season.
[UNKNOWN]: a one-world is probably his season, Philippines was his season, you know like you can tell when Jeff like kind of takes over and like that was his first season with Nicaragua.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he made his main decision says he did with redemption.
[UNKNOWN]: I almost feel like him and Mark were like trading seasons there and then Mark finally just handed in the rain.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, all right, it looks like you can handle this.
[UNKNOWN]: Go for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, I'm running doing Shark Tank and whatever other shows I'm doing now.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not a big fan of the coach is cult.
[UNKNOWN]: So for me, it's it's satisfying the coach doesn't win, but I think Aussie winning would have been satisfying as well.
[UNKNOWN]: He was arrogant this season again, but it worked because he was the underdog.
[UNKNOWN]: Aussie, the arrogant works when he's the underdog.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: What's why?
[UNKNOWN]: Any arrogant you got to have them cook rounds at work because like, oh, they need to allow to be arrogant now.
[UNKNOWN]: you know, they mutant.
[UNKNOWN]: So as you can be the way he is, but it doesn't work on Micronesia when he's never the underdog.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just that he's like he's just he's making out the Amber.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was Rob's job.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's making out with him.
[UNKNOWN]: make it out of Amanda, you know, and it's like, he's just nice like your school.
[UNKNOWN]: Except for when he doesn't make idle.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's something to be said for that, though, because I think that's a very good observation that when people who are in power, confidence is arrogance, when people aren't in power, confidence becomes the underdog story, right, arrogance becomes confidence, like it goes the opposite way.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think that's interesting with Ozzy because,
[UNKNOWN]: at the beginning of the season he comes across as such baby.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so hard to watch at the beginning of South Pacific.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm not going to do this then, I'm not going to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, okay, Aussie, go through your tantrum.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: And what's so funny is that,
[UNKNOWN]: you turn it around and by the end of the season, most people are rooting for him to pull it out because they want this cult to get taken down because this is annoying to watch and it's boring to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: So Azzy does almost the 180 and it's true too in Cook Island.
[UNKNOWN]: He does the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: When Azzy starts that season, he's throwing challenges to get rid of Billy and he's, oh, he's throwing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's acting like such an ass.
[UNKNOWN]: You're kind of rolling your eyes going, oh, I don't like this guy But then by the end when the I-2-4 are the I-2-4 you're saying, oh, yeah, come on baby Get it done win another one as he win another one and so it is this like this this back and forth with Ozzy and I felt that on 50 and I I was lucky enough to talk to Ozzy a couple times during season 50
[UNKNOWN]: And like I did I literally told them that I'm like you come off game changers I'm like why they're putting you on and now I was on your on this season I'm like oh my god, please play your idol like what are you doing like like because Ozzy just has that personality we're depending on the day you either absolutely love him or you're like Oh, I hope he gets his and I think that this is a season where you actually start rooting for him But I do think it's much better that Sophie wins the season because
[UNKNOWN]: for Aussie to win this season, that would mean Aussie and coach are both sitting at final three and after watching Boston Lobb steam roll and then we get Aussie and coach at final three on another season that was an absolute steam roll.
[UNKNOWN]: Survivor goes even darker than it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Truly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the season is better received if Aussie wins, but I'm with you on like okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So now Jeff really can
[UNKNOWN]: quote unquote script a season to end the way he wants not maybe the whole season go the way he wants but it ends the way he wants he wanted Rob to win of course he wanted Rob to win and this season of course he wants Aussie to win we you just mentioned that on Redemption Island the last challenge was the balancing foot thing and it doesn't bled vs water but this season's the the poll the thing Aussie's
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like, more to the odds and then edge extinction people suspected he wanted Joe to win it and Joe was like two seconds for being Chris underwood in that last challenge, you know, it's like
[UNKNOWN]: When Jeff puts his finger on the on the scale, you can tell but I won't say Sophie so Sophie I think she's interesting as a character.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think the show's interested in telling her story.
[UNKNOWN]: They're interested in telling cauldron story, which by the way is even more parent fill in the secret scenes on the DVDs and in the recap episode which everyone can watch.
[UNKNOWN]: I think a parallel plus.
[UNKNOWN]: there's like so many cut cauldron scenes because they have so much cauldron they want to show us on top of what they already did brand in their incident and then coach nazi of course interesting coach nazi i think brand in stories the season's very interesting i know that nowadays like he's he's in jail or he's going to jail not i think it's interesting if i'm not mistaken yeah yeah brand in unfortunately his story is real-life story isn't
[UNKNOWN]: at this point is not what you would hope, but this season, I feel like Brandon was such an interesting character and cochrane, of course, is cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I've really, no, they weren't really folks on any women this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And so if he was like, she's interesting, but she's not upbeat.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's like kind of this era, like they're casting villains.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like the almost like a teenager, she's kind of like over it, but being sarcastic, also like whatever you guys do whatever you want.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, it's Courtney, almost from Cook Triana, a little bit, that's fine, but it's got that Courtney vibes.
[UNKNOWN]: They're so cute.
[UNKNOWN]: They're just not interested in telling your story.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's something that isn't able to connect with a general audience from Sophie.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what the problem was.
[UNKNOWN]: It's almost like Sophie was a little ahead of her time.
[UNKNOWN]: I think people reacted more positively to Sophie on winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: I think especially when you're bringing back coach and you're bringing back Aussie, you're saying we want honor and integrity.
[UNKNOWN]: We want your big bad athletes.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't want to sassy New York 21 year old.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's not what we want.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't ask them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if you don't ask them that if
[UNKNOWN]: They have to open to be a wallflower to be background fodder and she accidentally won the game and now they had a tell her story and like you said they weren't interested in telling Like Natalie White she was not cast to in that season.
[UNKNOWN]: She was actually one of the dumb blonds quote unquote is Russell called them
[UNKNOWN]: exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that that is a problem, but I think that's also why it was important because it's said to the producers, you can't just keep casting morons and hope that the morons are going to be as moronic as you think they are and you're going to base your story around these two.
[UNKNOWN]: And you see it again in one world, even though there's no returning players out in one world, you see in one world they cast a lot of people who have no idea what the hell is going on.
[UNKNOWN]: then in Philippines, the casting changes again, because the casting was so bad in this era.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you go and you look at Philippines, Malcolm is a legitimate threat to win.
[UNKNOWN]: R.C.
[UNKNOWN]: is a legitimate threat to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Pete is a legitimate threat to win.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the niece, obviously, is a legitimate threat to win.
[UNKNOWN]: She does win.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's so many more legitimate threats.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff Kent was a legitimate threat to win that season.
[UNKNOWN]: there's so many more legitimate threats, which you don't have in season 22 and season 23, and Sophie was not put on there to be a legitimate threat.
[UNKNOWN]: She was put on there because she wasn't going to eat up a lot of screen time and she wasn't going to be too confrontational and it actually worked so hard against production because Sophie was so non-confrontational and kept it all in for so long that she was able to appeal to a jury that then ultimately gives her the million
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I feel like we're, I could spend all day talking about the poor production decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: But I will say that the cast, I, so Phil, you might know more than I do, but Lynn Spillman's casting here.
[UNKNOWN]: But I never, at any point, I think Lynn Spillman's completely in charge of casting.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's given direction, and she fulfills the direction she's given because she cast 38 seasons, and it doesn't feel like every season is the same cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there are archetypes sure.
[UNKNOWN]: But I almost feel like she's being directed.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when I watched interviews of Jesse Tannenbaum and I hear, because he does multiple shows, including Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, I hear him talk about how he casts.
[UNKNOWN]: And I will mention this show every time, amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: But he casts other seasons as well as shows well.
[UNKNOWN]: And he talks about Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: And every time he talks about Survivor, he talks about hands-on Jeff is, which he doesn't really talk about the other shows.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like interesting, you know, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: And like it gets good or bad, Jeff having his hands,
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know how much his hands were dirty this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like how I don't know how much more he was getting.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it elevated as he was executive producer.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I was almost wondering, it was lintful and fired because they wanted to he wanted more control.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I might not be what they said, but yes, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: And what's really funny is the first season Jeff ever cast is the first time a player was ever kicked off the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, people will say, oh, he was going to be on different season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he wasn't on that.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't on the other season.
[UNKNOWN]: They just considered him.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what's so interesting here, like, I think you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Lynne Spillman was always in charge of casting, but obviously survivors not rigged, and it's never been rigged.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, survivor is one of those things where you can start to say, hey, what story do we want to tell in this era?
[UNKNOWN]: When we do cook islands, we're going to put an incredibly intelligent Asian man on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And maybe that's the story we want to tell that we don't want a bunch of cowboys on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: We want more duels.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's why you get you will and you get Brad on that season and you get Becky on that season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're showing them as the more intelligent, more sophisticated version of what like Asian culture can be.
[UNKNOWN]: Cowboy is not where you want to go.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to throw a cowboy in, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Same thing with what are you doing with the Caucasian tribe?
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to have Jonathan who's the writer.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to have Adam who's the good looking young guy.
[UNKNOWN]: We've got the medical student.
[UNKNOWN]: We got the female boxer.
[UNKNOWN]: And we got this weird, and we got this weird chick named Flicka.
[UNKNOWN]: And so you think about what story they want to tell.
[UNKNOWN]: They actually want to tell the story of the best version of each of those cultures.
[UNKNOWN]: They're trying to find the best person.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when they're casting this season,
[UNKNOWN]: But they're saying to themselves, well, what story do we want to tell?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we want to tell the story most likely of how coach one, how as he won, or we want to tell the story of how coach lost and how as he lost.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're not worrying as much about the people you're putting around in the background.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very interesting because when you see it, of course, copper is going to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to have a massive fan to sit there on a tribe with either as he or coach.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, Brandon Hans is going to be there because he's related to Russell.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody else they could give in two shits.
[UNKNOWN]: They did not care.
[UNKNOWN]: They passed the least interesting version of almost every single archetype on South Pacific and Redemption Island, which is crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: And I will say this.
[UNKNOWN]: I've met Albert quite a few times.
[UNKNOWN]: He actually played baseball at the school I used to work at.
[UNKNOWN]: So like it was funny to see his name pop up and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And when I was living in Miami, I saw him a couple times.
[UNKNOWN]: Albert really is like a strategic guy, but they wanted the Albert that was 23 years old who was more cocky than strategic because they knew that he's not beating Coach Ross.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's what they wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I feel like that's what we got a lot of on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm so happy Sophie won that season.
[UNKNOWN]: I really am and I love Coach.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's an all timer, but I'm very happy that it's ultimately Sophie who wins.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think she does a master class of just dealing with bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: How can you use it there?
[UNKNOWN]: Can you shut up for 39 days to win a million dollars?
[UNKNOWN]: That is the question that Sophie was asked.
[UNKNOWN]: And she said, yes, I can.
[UNKNOWN]: and unlike Kenzie Petty in 46, she didn't get help at that immunity challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: She asked Albert, oh, I don't see it really.
[UNKNOWN]: She told Albert to come over and help her and just like, no, if you want to beat Ozzy, you got to beat Ozzy, but that way, which by the way, when it's time to beat who, Maria, oh, that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll be honest with you, if it was like Coach yelling at Ozzy, hey, come pick up my stuff so we can beat Sophie, Jeff would've been like, they're working together, who was thought, yes, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man.
[UNKNOWN]: So Sophie won in spite of all the things that were there to make her lose such as Ozzy on Redemption Island.
[UNKNOWN]: So Redemption Island period was designed, I mean, the Ozzy was dominating her challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: The dominant.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say though, I will give credit to the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that Redemption Island itself was structured better this time.
[UNKNOWN]: Then it was last time like it didn't eat as much unnecessary time They didn't keep so many people in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think like they would build up to three people and then Ozzy would eliminate two of them It was never every single episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's let me know the three like they did on season 22 like they get so I think it was the narratively was better for it
[UNKNOWN]: But that was like production decisions.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, they're back in Simella and it's a more beautiful location than Nicaragua.
[UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately, they'll never go out to Simella after one world.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think Simella is like a legit location.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Australians and Ryerson will use it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's definitely
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's why they don't go to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, Fiji probably isn't better benefits, but yeah, it's a good location.
[UNKNOWN]: It's nothing special, but it's prettier than Nicaragua.
[UNKNOWN]: The location in Nicaragua that they go to during the time of year they go to.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that Nicaragua is beautiful, just not the part of it, they've actually ordered the time of year.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see this about her best move.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna say best move worse move because last last time I tried to like push back a little bit when we talked about like Fabio What was his best move and you're like being this being that and I tried to be like well, here's a move like an actual tribal council move I think so best move is just going along for the ride.
[UNKNOWN]: I really do and I I push back a little bit with Fabio, but like I do think that Sophie being willing to take a back seat
[UNKNOWN]: and just align yourself with coach, align yourself with Albert, align yourself with Rick, like do what she had to do.
[UNKNOWN]: I think being willing to kind of just like put your entire belief system on the back burner so that you are in this alliance, it's the best move she could have made and it works out brilliantly for her because it gets her to the end and nobody ever sees her as a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: She just sits there and sticks to the plan and just keeps on going and I seriously do
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a beautiful thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's an all season kind of move, but she has to sit back and say, sure, I'll let you guys be weird towards Michaela.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll let you guys bark out orders about this.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just going to go along with it and she does a great job of that.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to say too, for those who can watch the Ponderosa videos that did a good season for Ponderosa videos, like there is interesting stuff, especially the Keith Whitney relationship is more developed on Ponderosa where, I mean, I've talked about my videos, so I don't want to get too much of that.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're here to talk with Sophie, but the Ponderosa videos here are one of the seasons where, like, you actively can see the jury who they're rooting for, and at one point it is coach, and how, and their minds being changed, you see that on
[UNKNOWN]: You see it a little bit on Simoat.
[UNKNOWN]: So I want to say good like there are good seasons for pandrose videos and then there are dull seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to talk about Philippines.
[UNKNOWN]: Super dull pandrose is easy season.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: poor ring, but one world, all the entertainment was in the Pondorosa apparently.
[UNKNOWN]: The season itself didn't have it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the Pondorosa.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all entertaining on Pondorosa, but that was alphasific a good season for Pondorosa videos.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just it's so weird.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't depend on the quality season.
[UNKNOWN]: It depends on the drama.
[UNKNOWN]: Pondorosa.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I know the good season for Pondorosa for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, that's good to know.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, so what do you, so I hope
[UNKNOWN]: First move, a Sophie.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you know Albert gave what he got immunity from Brandon.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Albert supposed to go there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that helps Sophie's game.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, worst move is attempting out Albert where she did Albert was a goat to be dragged and she was ready to get rid of Albert.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I didn't, I don't know what Brandon wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I know like, Jim said it.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, I, I don't put too much stock into Jim's perception.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's put that way.
[UNKNOWN]: I've heard Jim talk when he was like trying to get on Cambodia and I listen to Jim and I thought, does he watch Survivor?
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, this guy was on Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's my thoughts on Jim.
[UNKNOWN]: He says Brandon, what a one, but like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't buy that Brandon wins that season.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I'll try to say that all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't buy that at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I think nothing brand doesn't have a shop.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't put too much stock with Jim says.
[UNKNOWN]: So I hear Jim said that, I'm like, okay, okay, can I have the rest of the jury because I don't know if I believe this.
[UNKNOWN]: I think trying to get out, she failed to do it because Albert was Brandon, but trying to get out of her was, that was a mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Albert was always meant to go to the final three and be a goat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think it's also what's interesting in this entire stretch because we have Simitone or Slimitone saying this right here.
[UNKNOWN]: 19 Adelaide, 20 Sandra, 21 Fabio, 23 Sophie, huge run of just going along for the ride.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard to have like all of those players we've had a hard time saying this was their worst move because they're not really making many moves.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Sophie kind of falls into that same boat like I agree with you trying to get her to Valbert is a bad move because you're getting down to it and it's like Brandon Rick Coach and Ozzy all of more win equity than Albert, but like it's also one of those things where when Sophie's not in control and she's not making an abundance of moves, how do you really know what her worst move is?
[UNKNOWN]: And so that's where it's like very interesting to me when we try to name their worst move on some of these players when you're going along for the riding you're being agreeable you're not really making moves it's other people who are doing it so he votes correctly if I'm not mistaken at every single tribal council except for when Michaela goes because I think she was pretty much taking a stand saying I don't like Brandon as a person.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, she doesn't vote for Christine when Christine goes.
[UNKNOWN]: She votes for Stacey, by the way, Stacey, thanks for the casting, every secret scene of Stacey, their secret scene is Stacey that are fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, this should have been on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I mean, like, that's what you're saying too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they're just not interested in telling other people stories aren't there main for Stacey.
[UNKNOWN]: This fantastic four episode, she was there and I'm Ponderosa.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's our and on, um, and she doesn't, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So listen, she votes for Stacey when Christine goes.
[UNKNOWN]: But you both know that.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a split vote.
[UNKNOWN]: It was 431-1.
[UNKNOWN]: She was the end in Stacey, but that was purposeful of the almost interesting and had an idol.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what she was Rick Edna and her all voting for Stacey purposefully there in case.
[UNKNOWN]: I hear you, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: It's been a little while since I've watched season.
[UNKNOWN]: Hopefully, Michaela, she votes for Edna on the Michaela Vos.
[UNKNOWN]: That what you said was the one vote she was out of.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's wrong on that one.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that was what I think she's wrong there.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's just it's just for three.
[UNKNOWN]: She's just wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: But then after that, she votes her kids.
[UNKNOWN]: You votes her Aussie votes her gym, Dawn, Whitney, Cochran, Edna, Brandon, Rick Aussie.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, the only vote she's not in on is the Michaela vote.
[UNKNOWN]: And winning that challenge over Ozzie, a final four, when it's like not for Ozzie to win, like just incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the game winning half court shot man, like just incredible game play by Sophie there.
[UNKNOWN]: Once you won that, I, I remember why I watched this first time.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Coach could win, but then the moment Coach opens his mouth, I'll try what you're like, he can't win ever.
[UNKNOWN]: not saying anything the right the correct way and nothing changed through 50 in my opinion by the way, the coach still did not learn what he did wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think, maybe his worst game ever on 50, honestly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I just feel like coach never got better ever.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but it was very encouraging
[UNKNOWN]: be better than he was.
[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna be still Ozzy as a person.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you can only do so much.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I can only be so good as myself on survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, no matter how much I learned, I'm still myself.
[UNKNOWN]: It was an icy Ozzy make that progression.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you again, I think she was, I don't think she was better on winners at war, but she was definitely more confident in it showed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think she was better on winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: And she gets voted out with the idol because she honestly was a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and what she was never viewed as a threat to season.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why she wins.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was the era of people.
[UNKNOWN]: Really, this was the era of putting a lot of men on the show who didn't think that women had any chance of beating them.
[UNKNOWN]: And then a bunch of men on the show who never thought a man like Fabio could beat them.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's really what this was the era.
[UNKNOWN]: This was the era of a lot of like aggressive male testosterone energy who thought like Alpha beat my chest stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's what they thought.
[UNKNOWN]: And with the exception of Boston Robb, it's just like time after time proven, that's not the way to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I would, you know, we got all the way through what?
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson, yeah, I was telling you through Tyson.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson was not beat my chest, I'm a man.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony, but Tony was, I don't, that wasn't a gender thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony just nuts.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk what Tony next time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tony just has to Tony was beating his chest because everybody in that season wanted to beat their chest and he wanted to be the loudest real-a-do.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's all it was.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't fall down.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Sophie, so I was a few stats we haven't talked about yet.
[UNKNOWN]: How far was she from a perfect game?
[UNKNOWN]: Sophie was eight votes off a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: Miss three votes off on a tribal that coach got.
[UNKNOWN]: Also got five votes against her during the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, which we're so like Rick voted for her on his way out the door, Brandon votes for her on his way out the door though also Albert votes for her when Brandon goes out the door because Albert I think he promised I wasn't like he promised Brandon so that like technically and then he pretended that he didn't know Brandon was going home.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: So just nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, so for you eight votes off a perfect game, I, it sounds about right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, like, again, I don't, I can see there be like perfect games the only way to define it, but I think it's oppressive when you get it or if you're like a vote off.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I actually give you more credit, but I'll never be like, oh,
[UNKNOWN]: Ben Dreeberg and it has is the worst with 14 like I'm not going to see her and be like he's the worst because he has 14 But I will say that like I think it's impressive to have that stat be close or just nail it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so nobody that we're talking about in this section is going to be close Just yeah, we're going to get to next.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not close because again
[UNKNOWN]: People just start being like, well, I don't need to just vote for Kim, but even Kim's not that far off, but anyway, the one thing I have to say about Sophie before I move on because we talk about Ken Fabio win again, no, I don't think so.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't think a Fabio type can win, especially in the new era because I think that they give you to the character.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Ben Katzman falls into that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Boston Rob can Boston Rob win again, that's the blueprint for on this mixed type season.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Boston Rob can ever win again, and I think if you come out to aggressive on a mixed type season now, they're probably trying to put you out Aubrey just won by playing Sophie's game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I think a lot of people have won playing the Sophie game that we've talked about so far and we'll talk about in the future.
[UNKNOWN]: There is a lot of value to just kind of just chilling and letting people just outplay themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: Outplay how it last.
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes you just got to let other people outplay themselves and then just outlast them.
[UNKNOWN]: This season, Phil, where do you think
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, like 40, 34, it is right above 42 and right below Guatemala.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's better than Guatemala.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know about that.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't know about that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it fans agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Guatemala is great.
[UNKNOWN]: I think South Pacific is better.
[UNKNOWN]: I think South Pacific is far in a way the best of this stretch.
[UNKNOWN]: I think South Pacific is lumped in with these four seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's much better than one world of damn
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think Sophie is a winner falls out of 50?
[UNKNOWN]: 37.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's actually higher.
[UNKNOWN]: She's number 30.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, number 30.
[UNKNOWN]: He never, he won't be right.
[UNKNOWN]: Where your girl, Michelle Fitzgerald.
[UNKNOWN]: I will tell you what, man.
[UNKNOWN]: We are not far off from that exact same scenario.
[UNKNOWN]: The exact same scenario, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're listening now, you're getting a little tease for maybe a couple episodes from that.
[UNKNOWN]: We are not far off from that exact same scenario in our rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you ready to do one world in Kim Spraylin?
[UNKNOWN]: Let me, let me say again, one last thing here.
[UNKNOWN]: If you are
[UNKNOWN]: a woman going to play new era survivor and Jeff is going to throw as much bullshit at you as he's going to.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the game to emulate and I just want to I want to end on that note.
[UNKNOWN]: So the game is the one to emulate.
[UNKNOWN]: Big brother has the same problem where they throw so much put people people just play it safe instead.
[UNKNOWN]: I know because I watched four or five big brother seasons like live and all I thought when they were from crap them I'm like they're just going to play it safe because
[UNKNOWN]: why would I want to interact with the nonsense?
[UNKNOWN]: And I know survivor gets to edit it to make it look like people want to interact with the nonsense and maybe they do.
[UNKNOWN]: But I feel like there's a lot of people saying, I don't want to interact with the nonsense that isn't being shown the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And Jeff just puts his fingers in his ears and ignores that, you know, Aubrey just won the season by being incredibly passive and doing that on purpose.
[UNKNOWN]: Ignoring the nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: Tommy wins by ignoring the nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: Just ignore a northern on-sense, play basic fundamental survivor, ignore to the best of your ability, stay out of the, say out of the nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't go on a journey because either you're going to lose your vote or you're going to pick something up and people are going to view you as a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Very rarely does the journey actually help you.
[UNKNOWN]: Very rarely for something happens four times a season.
[UNKNOWN]: You think they would have figured that out by now, but yeah, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Nope.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we're on to one more.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah,
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, generally revered as the top five winner and there's really no arguing, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I want to say that this season, the twist is 10 out of 10 fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: I love this twist.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a shame it's this season the way it plays out because I think it's why they never bring it back.
[UNKNOWN]: Unlike blood versus water, unlike fans or favorites, something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a fantastic twist.
[UNKNOWN]: 1,000% they should bring this twist back and do it again.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is prime for blood versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you've talked, you know I've talked so much.
[UNKNOWN]: Have you seen this?
[UNKNOWN]: what?
[UNKNOWN]: That people think it's happening on survivor 51 because the rumor is it's a 21 person cast.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if it's like you and I said the other week where if they do on a 51 it's just going to be for like a day or two before they pick their tribes or they drop buffs or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's going to be a season long twist or a pre-mird long twist.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think this is a fantastic twist and I think the four episodes that they do this twist the season are the best four episodes of the season and it's not even close.
[UNKNOWN]: People hate Colton because he's in those episodes, but Colton's a fantastic villain because he's a villain that has power and does something you don't like, namely Bill.
[UNKNOWN]: But he loses, so it works, like it worked.
[UNKNOWN]: Colton, I don't like Colton, but I think Colton, plus one world, the twist was fantastic TV.
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that he ended the one world twist right after the men's set himself to drive like, why?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, plan B, keep one world going.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: The men just sent themselves a tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you shooting yourselves in the foot?
[UNKNOWN]: I know it's because they're like, well, we need to separate them so the merge feels special.
[UNKNOWN]: No!
[UNKNOWN]: No, and especially on this season with 18 people keep them as two tribes all the way down to 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Keep them as two tribes all the way down to eight.
[UNKNOWN]: Who cares?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, don't be wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Fifty one is and I don't want to date this podcast too much because I want to be evergreen.
[UNKNOWN]: But if if do one is does do one world like legit, I'm all for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't heard this film.
[UNKNOWN]: I see why people will suspect that, but I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I just haven't even heard survivor be interested in this idea again, yeah, where I feel like blood versus water gets casually thrown around, like it's going to happen, even though it only happened twice in a matter of one year and it was like over 10 years ago, but one world isn't casually thrown around the same way, so
[UNKNOWN]: I would love for one world of acting in.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think the season though, what it does, what it does cast the men specifically.
[UNKNOWN]: But the thing is, I like Sabrina.
[UNKNOWN]: I like, I mean, I don't think Kim's super interesting as a character.
[UNKNOWN]: She's presented as she's a divorce woman, finding her way in this world in the pre-season press.
[UNKNOWN]: I think on the season as well, I forget that I was in the season proper.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a secret scene where her and her,
[UNKNOWN]: I forget the lady she's good friends with, even to this day, Chelsea, Chelsea, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: She is third place.
[UNKNOWN]: I just remember Sabrina Morlick, Sabrina Morlick, and her and Chelsea, like, decide before a final try, but let's go take a swim or go take a bath in the water well because if we look prettier, people want to vote for us, and I'm like, it's actually not a bad idea.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gross that you're doing the water well, but I guess it is the last day, and it's your water.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, it's clean water.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's clean water.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think I don't think Kim's very interesting, but I think strategically holy crap did she own this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm more impressed because it's our first time.
[UNKNOWN]: So here's here's the deal, uh, Troy's an massive survivor fan.
[UNKNOWN]: Mass it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, colon massive survivor fan.
[UNKNOWN]: for better answers.
[UNKNOWN]: Cam is a pretty big survivor fan from what I understand.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sabrina was a pretty big survivor fan from what I understand.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I believe that is the extent of it for these 18 people.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Sabrina got cast because they were actually trying to recruit a different Sabrina and then they found her instead.
[UNKNOWN]: So actually, he was recruited, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: Not that she wasn't there.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, so there was a not working with him but she was definitely recruited.
[UNKNOWN]: My point is there's like nobody who actually understand survivor on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Kim's best move was voting out choice and when she did no granted everybody's ready to get rid of choice and right I mean this is at final eight whatever Well, he's known Samoa.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why they don't go back build.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't want to get into it.
[UNKNOWN]: So he owned the island.
[UNKNOWN]: He owns this island and he rented out to Australia and survivor over here now.
[UNKNOWN]: But like the thing is, Sabrina votes for Christina at that tribal council.
[UNKNOWN]: That choice and goes.
[UNKNOWN]: But getting rid of Troy's hand there, that's the last threat to Kim's game.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know people might laugh at it, especially after game changers, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Troy's hand has a lot of win equity on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Troy's hand actually does have a very good mind for survivor as the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was her biggest adversary.
[UNKNOWN]: The reason why it sucks in why the season sucks is he goes home at final eight.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're like, oh, okay, well, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, you could also say her best move is voting out J at in episode nine.
[UNKNOWN]: What a boring episode that was.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like watching episode nine to only have to be a problem.
[UNKNOWN]: The only episode of almost ever fall asleep of watching survivors in J's episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and the problem with that is it's like, it's not really Kim's move because JJ's runs over and tells her when Troy's aunt said everything direct and said, hey, don't go tell Kim I'm going to play an idol for myself since they're trying to vote me out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Jay is like, what if I go blab and Jay gets put out like, it is the dumbest group of men to ever play survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually a game.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when I rank him, who I do reveal Kim's game.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, I'm not going to reveal what place I have or at, but I will say this every single one of us.
[UNKNOWN]: We did four different lists to combine to make our one list.
[UNKNOWN]: We all rank through in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And nobody had her at 10.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm giving that much away at least.
[UNKNOWN]: But when you look at it, it's like, is it the best game if her competition is the one world cast?
[UNKNOWN]: And that is something that I do hold against her a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I do believe that Todd beating a cast like China's cast is is more impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Tony beating a cast like he
[UNKNOWN]: that is loaded with people who have no idea what's going on in any way, shape or form.
[UNKNOWN]: They follow him to the slaughter one after the other and yes, some of it is good gameplay by him, but some of it is just people being horrible at survive.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's what you're saying earlier, of course, there's all suspicions, but if you look at the cast posts here as much as villains, they were recruiting, obviously, like Courtney had never seen Survivor, which you want to try and understand.
[UNKNOWN]: They were recruiting, they've always been recruiting.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if they recruited season, well, of course, they did season one.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, like, I don't, I'm sure they've recruited every season, but it became more obvious.
[UNKNOWN]: from 21 onwards when they were recruiting and who they were recruiting.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is almost like Jeff's like writing out the archetypes he wants.
[UNKNOWN]: And the people he wants, I don't know who Jeff was wanting to win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it was Troy's Ann.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to figure out, was it a Michael?
[UNKNOWN]: Is it a Matt?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you, I just try to like imagine like, what was he telling Lynn Spillman to cast?
[UNKNOWN]: Because also Lynn Spillman goes from making
[UNKNOWN]: like Fiji was a miss, but I think Cook Islands was a huge hit.
[UNKNOWN]: Panama was like half that cast was gold.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like she was from 12 through 20 was just banging out good cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Guatemala had some good people, like Palau had a good, like she was just making Vanuatu.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Lynne Spillman knew what she was doing and all of a sudden magically doesn't look like she knows what she's doing with 21 and it's like,
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I wonder what changed.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, yeah, well, and this felt like they passed when she's been doing it so well for so long.
[UNKNOWN]: To me, this was a hookup season, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like that was the point.
[UNKNOWN]: You have one world that's men versus women, but they're gonna start on the same island.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, you have Tarzan and yes, you have Nina.
[UNKNOWN]: But then you have Monica who's an older woman who's gorgeous.
[UNKNOWN]: You have Troy's Anne who's the older guy who is good looking as anything.
[UNKNOWN]: So those are two of your roles.
[UNKNOWN]: You have your cookie older people
[UNKNOWN]: And then you're going to have Colton who's going to be the shit stirring game, man.
[UNKNOWN]: That's whatever you do that, they knew that.
[UNKNOWN]: There was no.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And every and then you have leave where they they wanted to cast the first little person.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's leave he's on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And everything else, they're pretty much like, hey, what if we get like people who are like good looking, like, look at the women on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: You have cat, you have Alicia, you have Christina, you have Chelsea, you have Kim, you have Sabrina, that is a very, very, very good looking group of women and I'm not even getting into Monica or Courtney who's kind of like your quirky edge of your person, you have Matt, you have Michael, you have Jay, these are literal models, that is what they are doing.
[UNKNOWN]: And so even Bill is a really good looking guy, if felt like they wanted to make
[UNKNOWN]: or hook up season.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why you're getting the divorced woman who owns a bridal shop or whatever it was that came on at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: And she just happens to be a lot smarter than everybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was the, that's what they were going for.
[UNKNOWN]: I think when they were casting this season, they were trying to do it as, you know, not saying it's the TV show, but they wanted it to be love island.
[UNKNOWN]: It was one world, but they wanted it to be everybody hooking up.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, what happens if there's a showman's across tribes?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not what they got.
[UNKNOWN]: But that is I think what they were going for and that's why most of this cast it was like good your good looking come on out like Michael Jefferson Jay.
[UNKNOWN]: What planet were they on when they stepped on to the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a great question.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to figure out where Jeff was as a person at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he was married yet.
[UNKNOWN]: because I think that changes him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think when he gets his when he gets married and has his stepchildren, I think it's correct because they're not his children, but there is wife children.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that changes like how he runs the show a little bit up till this day.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, we all do as we grow over time.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I would have done things 10 years ago, I do today or vice versa, whatever, but just trying out, I was sorry, I was looking real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, because I think this is about time he just is talk show, but actually this season, this season is filmed before his talk show.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it gets better with Phil Pines for sure, but it does feel like four seasons in a row.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, what were they thinking?
[UNKNOWN]: They clearly thinking something.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder what that was.
[UNKNOWN]: What was the approach here?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, how much waslin's film and being told to do things differently than before?
[UNKNOWN]: or was there was there someone there who was saying no to things that is no longer there?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm kind of wondering.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'm not saying I see a bit just the fault of everything because that's not true.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time it's like something changed.
[UNKNOWN]: Is Mark no longer as involved in Mark was the one saying he wants certain things and that was what was working and now he's gone doing other things.
[UNKNOWN]: Something's missing and I don't know what it is but it affects our perception these seasons and it affects, I know we're here to talk
[UNKNOWN]: Kim would be more impressive, as you said against like, like, Catholic China, it's like, okay, why didn't they cast a Catholic China?
[UNKNOWN]: What, what changed?
[UNKNOWN]: What's different?
[UNKNOWN]: Because it seems like they kind of tried to reverse that with Philippines, but there's a, at this time also filled, this is around the time, the budget cuts certain happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I know they've always been there.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I started doing back to back with Simone, here's what she knows.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you know that.
[UNKNOWN]: But Jeff openly said, I have, and I have this as well.
[UNKNOWN]: This is actually on the internet.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have the DVDs for this.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff said around the time of Karimo and he's like, we keep...
[UNKNOWN]: having less money, things are more expensive, and we have less money, eventually, we're asking me to buy an island to call it survivor island to do the show on there, because it's not sustainable to keep to going through all these new locations all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff said that, and I'm paraphrasing, but he said that around the time of Caramelan, and this is right before that, I don't know, it just makes me curious.
[UNKNOWN]: And also they lose their main composer, after 27, I forgot to start a full-on-a-part manual.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I'll start it all apart.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, streaming services start taking off around the time.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just a lot of things are changing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, why did he season suck?
[UNKNOWN]: It's not budget.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you that.
[UNKNOWN]: So we can talk about budget, but it's not budget.
[UNKNOWN]: Kim, though, what's your worst move?
[UNKNOWN]: What's your best move?
[UNKNOWN]: Her worst move is hard to, for me, to pinpoint.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember making her video.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, Kim doesn't really screw up anywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she angers some people, I guess, that go on the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: Two people do vote for Sabrina at the end of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: You know?
[UNKNOWN]: It's, uh, I'm telling, like, it's Troy's in and leave vote for Sabrina.
[UNKNOWN]: She definitely angers Troy's in.
[UNKNOWN]: That was very apparent on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she's supposed to do not vote him out.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the only thing that would have made him happy.
[UNKNOWN]: Troy's in was incorrigible to Kim and vice versa.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, when I look at it, like, what is her worst move?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she goes to one tribal council in the pre-murge and then she hits the post merge and votes out Jonas votes out Michael votes out Jay votes out Lee votes out Troy's Anne like he plays a perfectly she plays it perfectly and I would say her worst move is what happens during the Jay episode where word gets around and she actually is in danger of going home potentially there because
[UNKNOWN]: The dumbest group to ever play.
[UNKNOWN]: She ends up probably going home there because Troy's and plays the idol.
[UNKNOWN]: He plays the idol anyway, only negates one vote though, because Jay goes and spills the beans to get himself a better game.
[UNKNOWN]: But they weren't ready to go and vote for Troy's and and word got to Troy's end.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's probably her worst move, but her social game was good enough.
[UNKNOWN]: But she was able to get the information back to her that this is what was gonna happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so Kim is five votes off a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: This is those two for Sabrina and along the way gets three rogue votes here and there for her, uh, looks like one was at that J vote that you mentioned and then the other two are at the leaf vote, but like Kim was never in danger.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is a major place perfectly is against an all-newbie cast her best move is almost every move she makes I don't a definitive best move of Kim.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Troy's and what Troy's and goes It's just knock out them and in any order.
[UNKNOWN]: Tarzan was not getting the respect of the jury if you reach foul for you There's no way the men are going for Tarzan.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they still vote Kim over Tarzan Oh a hundred percent nobody cared that Tarzan was even there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean Tarzan was a weird guy
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tarzan didn't have the respect to the man.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like like Troy's in had immunity his way to the end Troy's in wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if he wins like, I don't know not sharing saying he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't say he like what's the jury at that point?
[UNKNOWN]: Troy's in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's say Troy's in a place of Sabrina.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what it is though, it was so close to Chelsea.
[UNKNOWN]: She went to her on Chelsea.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're all so pissed at that point that they all got voted out and then they got back stabbed and that they were out there that even if Troy's and but Kim would have been gone by then and clearly the jury didn't respect Sabrina's game enough.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Troy's and wins that pretty much hands down.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying if Christina goes inside of Troy's hand at his boat because it's 431 it was close.
[UNKNOWN]: Who who who is the off-boat there?
[UNKNOWN]: 431.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, really great for Chelsea.
[UNKNOWN]: No, wasn't, no, somebody votes for Chelsea instead of Christina.
[UNKNOWN]: Who was that?
[UNKNOWN]: It was Christina.
[UNKNOWN]: Christina votes for Chelsea.
[UNKNOWN]: Christina.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I could, no, because Christina would never have voted for us all.
[UNKNOWN]: She would have voted for Troy's answer.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been five, three, and seven, four, three, one, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, so let's take Christina go somehow instead of Troy's hand.
[UNKNOWN]: If Troy's hand could have immunity is way through the capote, the Tarzan vote, the Alicia vote.
[UNKNOWN]: And instead of Christina going, because she's already gone, Troy's hand ends up being Chelsea, Sabrina, probably Sabrina.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I mean, I don't, it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fire at four.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, because I don't think Chelsea flips in Sabrina, flips on Kim.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Troy's in wants Kim gone, but I think Kim ends up making fire at four is the worst to happen or does she win fire, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing that's crazy about when Troy San goes, he makes the pitch to cat that they're going to vote her out next and that she's done with him in Vodau Christina and it ends up being 100% accurate and it was one vote because he found out that Sabrina that they were going to try to split the votes just in case Troy's aunt had a night old and he tries to convince cat and cat doesn't go along with it and had cat gone along with it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Christina goes home there and now all of a sudden the women's alliance starts to go down a little bit and yes, Troy's and is still just there and Tarzan still isn't going to you know baby Tarzan plays with him, but now Troy's in has some legs and he can get something going, but Troy's
[UNKNOWN]: Final 18 on where it was only tries.
[UNKNOWN]: I just can't see cat Tarsan Alicia or Christina winning at the Everman's family.
[UNKNOWN]: Everwinds, Jane Everwinds, Michael Neverwinds, Jonas Neverwinds, Colton Everwinds, Monica Neverwinds, Bill Neverwinds, Matt Neverwinds, Nina Neverwinds, Courtney Neverwinds.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it is Kim.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it really is, it really is Kim, Kim just dominates.
[UNKNOWN]: In very impressive, best move is almost every move she makes.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there a fit, I mean, I guess Troy's in, yeah, as we just said, all right, sorry, we said that Troy's in best move.
[UNKNOWN]: just a very impressive Kim's win.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not super entertaining as a character for me personally, but I cannot deny her strategic game is just like top notch.
[UNKNOWN]: I aspire to play survivors as well as Kim played survivor here.
[UNKNOWN]: I aspire for people to follow her backwards to do dumb things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well actually I guess JT because people fell backwards to want him to win I just such an anomaly.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see it happening again.
[UNKNOWN]: Kim winning is seems possible I don't know if Kim herself can win again, but I feel like her game can be replicated We've seen bad casts in the new era who just don't seem competent overall at the game in the post merge
[UNKNOWN]: For example, 49.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think the 49 cast was very good at the game survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: 48 as well.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, why is those seasons were not as good.
[UNKNOWN]: It didn't seem like the cast knew, like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's been seen that they wanted to play survivor, and you know, please, I don't know what the word is for that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I think Kim style, come on again, I don't think Kim or South could win.
[UNKNOWN]: Kim kind of marker, thank you so much for all the attorney season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Kim hurt her, like you see a little bit during winners at war and my thing is if you ask me like who's the best like what's like the best winning game I rank him higher than I do Kim as a player at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, I want to mention, I said the ponderosa videos for season were good, um, that's only what Troy's ant shows up.
[UNKNOWN]: John is not interesting upon Dorosa, and he there's Michael Jair Leaf, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: It's really, from Troy's end through Christina, our good ponderosa videos for those wondering, it gets really good when cat gets there, but it starts good at Troy's ant, just for those looking, if you can watch them somewhere.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and what other thing is?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, one of my favorites from that is when Troy's Aunt Wayne cat gets there and he's just like, remember when I told you this was going and he's just like, it's so it's like kind of brutal, but it's also not really.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the second half of the ponderosa ponderosa is almost like its own separate season slash show.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I said like it almost like it doesn't it's not as dependent on it's not whether the season's good for Ponderosa because next season Philippines is a great season, but Ponderosa so boring yeah yeah, but this season Ponderosa's good stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I Kim definitely top 10 winner for me, but for the fans, where do you think she ranks?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I would hope she's like five.
[UNKNOWN]: 16.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't agree with that, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Last year, she's more crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I really feel, I think a lot of people say they don't like her as a character, because how I do the form is, do you like them as a character, do you like their strategy or do you like both, or do you not like anything about them, and a lot of people put that they like her strategy, but they don't like her character, if that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: like they don't find her interesting as a character because I think there's value and I find some interesting as a character.
[UNKNOWN]: The season though, number 48, I know I said that earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so her being sort of better than her season again, there's that gap, like the winner is way better than the season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like
[UNKNOWN]: If the season was better, I think it would elevate Kim too.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that drags down her and Rob is that the seasons were just boring to watch.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, had she played the same game in one, some, but, oh, which I think is a better season than I think her wins better if that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying, I guess Russell, I'm just saying, on a season that we generally view better.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Kim's win is elevated in the rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: Same with boss and Rob.
[UNKNOWN]: But, yeah, the boss and Rob wins all stars.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you said, not a great season, but a better season, especially for Rob wins it.
[UNKNOWN]: every player that I have ranked ahead of Kim, I like their season infinitely more than I like.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's hard not to.
[UNKNOWN]: One world just sucks after episode four.
[UNKNOWN]: So and honestly, that can be a that can be a tiebreaker.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's totally fair.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm always satisfied watching Todd Lynn.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and a big thing too is people can put who their favorite winner is, the least favorite and that's bonus points or if it's least favorite, it's takes points away.
[UNKNOWN]: Kim doesn't get a lot of worse winners.
[UNKNOWN]: She does get, she does get some good winners, like favorite winners, but I think when people say favorite winners are looking for people to entertain them, so we get people like to tell me parvity, people to entertain Todd, you will.
[UNKNOWN]: People that they connect with as a viewer and Kim, I don't think people a lot people connect with Kim, the character, the season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be a long time before we talk about Kim on our winter ranking podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'll say about Kim.
[UNKNOWN]: dangerically top 10 for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: No question top five, very possible.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, when you drag, it's like, I don't really connect with Kim.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think Kim's game is a very impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so are you ready to move on to Philippines?
[UNKNOWN]: We are ready to move on to Philippines, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: That means Denise time, all right, Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Denise truly is one of the most underrated winners in the history of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I think people sleep on how good her game was.
[UNKNOWN]: She goes to every single tribal council and wins the game.
[UNKNOWN]: She's on the disaster, Matt Singh tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: And then when she her and Malcolm get like pushed off the different tribes, she goes onto the tribe that keeps losing.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's cut Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the huge Malcolm and that that's the best move of the game Malcolm not committing to her and her being like will screw you Malcolm yeah I can't beat you anyway doesn't matter to me Best move of the game by far it's actually funny when people talk about Malcolm in the knees there are alliances so much stronger in the premerge once they get into the post merge they actually aren't as in lockstep as you would think they would be.
[UNKNOWN]: They vote the same pretty much every time, but they're not as it's there's a lot more going on on that season than you might think there is, but yeah, Denise's game I think is masterful and it is pure pure pure social game.
[UNKNOWN]: It is I am going to come out there and I'm going to just yes, yes, that sounds good.
[UNKNOWN]: I know so many people and winners that were getting so annoyed with their head nod and the smile.
[UNKNOWN]: It won her the million dollars and I think that her went on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Sophie showed the blueprint and Denise showed how you could take that even a step further to win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Denise is a very unique winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Her therapist approach, as you said, on when she's work kind of got mocked, but I mean, that's just how they're, honestly, she just enters therapist mode that you're thinking about, but it helps her with some people.
[UNKNOWN]: You see, it was Zane, I know Zane goes out first, but I feel like Zane, she was connecting with Zane because of the way she is and the way Zane is.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that's what just helps Denise connect with people, and it's very approachable.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, if you really want to get, you're like, oh, I don't like Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll find that as a reason to not like her.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, she seemed an authentic, because she's talking to me like a therapist does.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just think that's how Denise talks.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that Denise is being an authentic.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, who Denise is?
[UNKNOWN]: Though she wasn't, I mean, her cutting Malcolm is by far the best move.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it had to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: It was not like, well, Malcolm and I we have a connection.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't not take no, cut Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: Screw Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he wasn't planning on taking you file three either.
[UNKNOWN]: Cut him.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, if Malcolm had told her, I'm going to take you to file three, which is obviously what he should have said.
[UNKNOWN]: Risk it for the best get like, okay, if things work out Malcolm and you need to decide and you cut her, maybe she doesn't vote for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe, you know, I think Denise might respect that move still.
[UNKNOWN]: She might respect moving like I see Malcolm that I was the early competition.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, cutting Malcolm fantastic move.
[UNKNOWN]: Worst move.
[UNKNOWN]: Worst move for Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a hard one It's it's tough because she votes correctly almost every time now.
[UNKNOWN]: She votes for Paner R. C. Go's home
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's like, well, Pender was going.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't Pender's going.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think the play Pender was gone.
[UNKNOWN]: And you get rid of Pender's idols.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's a good thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, seeing Pender was going.
[UNKNOWN]: She wasn't even on the wrong side.
[UNKNOWN]: Pender had the votes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was him when he got home.
[UNKNOWN]: Same thing, Abby Maria.
[UNKNOWN]: She does that.
[UNKNOWN]: What's interesting is Denise ends up in the position of being able to go home at final seven.
[UNKNOWN]: And
[UNKNOWN]: It turns into will Lisa or Scoopin go with Denise and Malcolm or go with everybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that was a bit of a misstep, but I actually think you could argue that the best move Denise and Malcolm make is going to Lisa and Scoopin be four
[UNKNOWN]: And then in Lisa's like, well, I already made promises to them and he's like, we've made promises to me too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't think I had to come have this conversation with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but Denise and Malcolm got on that immediately.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't almost say that's a better move for Denise because that is why she survives final seven.
[UNKNOWN]: If she does not go to Lisa and go to scoop in before Penner gets there, yeah, she does not survive the final seven vote and she goes home.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so close to because Penner screwed this up too when he gets voted off of that vote by just not telling, um, of course, Penner's being honest when he says I'm not sure yet when he's telling scoop in a Lisa, but the rule thumb is you just say yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they say they offer a file three or whatever or an alliance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that sounds like a good plan, but Pender, that's not Pender's ML, that's on how he plays.
[UNKNOWN]: And in this case for worse, I would say for better or worse than this case was, it was for worse, because Scoobin and Lisa rightfully were like, well, he's not going to commit to us.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we should find something else to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the right move for them as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that was the correct move.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think that, and this is what Halvades Denise's win is that I know Lisa and Scoopner kind of viewed as a joke in the palm tree, but they played together as a combo, played a solid game, like I don't think individually they played great games, but I think as a combo they played a great game, and I think it makes Denise look better because she beat that combo.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: And here's the thing, like Scoopin's obviously a horrible person.
[UNKNOWN]: Scoopin plays a better game on this season than people give him credit for Scoopin's stuff's off for the season.
[UNKNOWN]: So the show didn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this show didn't know.
[UNKNOWN]: And he kind of is made to look like a fool.
[UNKNOWN]: And oh, of course he fell in the fire.
[UNKNOWN]: He's so stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: But like Scoopin actually makes a lot of good decisions on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's really thinking about the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the Jeff Kent vote is pretty incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Be artists vote.
[UNKNOWN]: is pretty incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he was doing a really good job of thinking through the artist's vote is the one that really stands out to me for Scooping, because that's the one where Lisa does vote for Penner in the world, and Scooping says, no, no, I'm voting out artists because that's not better for my game.
[UNKNOWN]: Scooping was playing a pretty solid game, and I know now obviously everything that happened after the game, that's a different story.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think that based on what we watch.
[UNKNOWN]: on this season, Skook and Play is a pretty good game, and I agree that I think Denise's game is elevated by the fact, I don't know if she beats Malcolm, I think Malcolm probably wins, but she beats everybody else in that final six.
[UNKNOWN]: Panner probably beats her, but at the same time it's like Panner and Malcolm had a couple people who really liked them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it didn't have everybody who really liked.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I think Panner's too divisive, I think she beats Panner.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't be wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a huge pender fan.
[UNKNOWN]: The moment Pender said on the show this season, I think it's survivor like a story, like change my mind completely.
[UNKNOWN]: So as I said, I missed this one of those seasons I missed and I'd go back and revenge when I came back from the Navy.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is the season that hit me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh my gosh, I've always, I've always known, I guess the back of my mind, that's told like a narrative like a movie like a story when Pender said it, because I'm a moron, if I didn't need Pender to tell me, but apparently I did, Pender says it.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like a story.
[UNKNOWN]: There are heroes and villains or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, you know, the good guys and bad guys, you know, which side do you want to be on Lisa?
[UNKNOWN]: Who do you think the show people are going to want to root for because he's like leaning into what he thinks Lisa?
[UNKNOWN]: And in a way, Lisa is thinking this what people's perception of her is she's always caring about it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of her storyline.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, man, wow, I opening when he said that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, maybe think beyond, maybe think about the show on a deeper level.
[UNKNOWN]: So I give credit to Panner.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that, I think Denise beats Panner.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Panner's device that we see at every season in place, he's not well-liked by a lot of people.
[UNKNOWN]: He's device of a cook-own, he's device of a micro-easher, and he's device of here.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not well-liked by everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: Even if we're fans of him on the show, you know, watching the show, I feel like the editors like Panner,
[UNKNOWN]: And so anything that the show could do to dunk on him, they don't do as hard as they could.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because he's like, one of the best confessional givers they've ever, they've ever had my far.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, you want to, you want to reward that.
[UNKNOWN]: Pender should amount of 50 shame, shame.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't shame that they cut him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, because he was, he was in there until the very end, and he is one of the best confessional givers in the history of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing with Pena is Pena is able to adapt to whatever the show's throwing at him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's on the race divided season.
[UNKNOWN]: Then he's on fans versus favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: Then he's on this type of season where there's captains and all that.
[UNKNOWN]: He's able to lean in and give them everything that they want all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, yeah, imagine Pena had gotten the Jimmy Fallon twist.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'd been great.
[UNKNOWN]: He would have known exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: And the thing with panoramic.
[UNKNOWN]: My ass.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know a lot of people got annoyed with Christian towards the end of the season because they felt like he was playing a role.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not playing a role.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Panoramic being panoramic.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just in the New York writer.
[UNKNOWN]: That's that's how he is all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a pattern fit you wouldn't go.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was Denise though, Denise plays a very solid game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not, to me, it's not super flashy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just solid.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very solid.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a game you can replicate.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like it's very replicate.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a game people could be like, oh, I identify with Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: I should play like Denise by really survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: And I say, I guess my version of that is Jeremy Collins.
[UNKNOWN]: I see Jeremy Collins and I think,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I could do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that I want to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure if I was Jeremy Collins skill set by any means, but I want to do Jeremy Collins game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I could do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I would like to try that.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas Denise, I can see people seeing Denise be like, I think I could do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that game I could do.
[UNKNOWN]: I think some games are hard to replicate, like my call way, which we'll get to.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard to replicate that game, but I think their game's to replicate and Denise is one of them, and I think Denise is a good one to replicate, because I think Denise, I don't have Denise herself going again, but I think Denise's game could win again.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that Denise actually played a pretty good game on winners at war to start and then she just got so passive and was like afraid to do anything and I think part of that comes from how she played on her first season because like when you're saying could Denise win again, I look at her winners at war game and I say to myself.
[UNKNOWN]: Where did the niece go wrong and I think that you have to take into account how did people play their first season to get their win and are they trying to change that what are they doing Yeah, I think we just talked about Kim can play such a dominant game that when she's not a dominant role, she almost doesn't know how to act like boss and Rob and I think the same is with Denise, but Denise is almost.
[UNKNOWN]: Denise is almost going the opposite, where once Denise gets into a dominant role, she feels uncomfortable and wants to be more passive.
[UNKNOWN]: And ultimately, Denise, I think, was a little disappointing in the second half of winners at war, but when you look at it on this season,
[UNKNOWN]: Every vote that she goes to in the pre-murge, which she goes to all six tribal councils in the pre-murge, is a blank to one vote.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're all unanimous votes.
[UNKNOWN]: And when she gets sent to call about, she should be on the apps.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's no reason for her to immediately fit in, but she does a good job of their social game.
[UNKNOWN]: And when it comes down to her Russell and Malcolm, I'm at seeing, she has herself positioned in the middle.
[UNKNOWN]: where she's the one making the decision of am I keeping Russell or am I keeping Malcolm because Malcolm and Russell, they don't have a relationship going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's funny like the deases when a player who plays better from the bottom.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if you watch the World Cup all summer and I know we're saying this is evergreen, but if you watch the World Cup, the 2026 World Cup or any World Cup,
[UNKNOWN]: There's some teams that love to be on offense and there's a lot of teams that like to be on defense and look for the counter.
[UNKNOWN]: Denise is somebody who likes the counter.
[UNKNOWN]: She's somebody who likes to take her moments, but she doesn't always want to have possession.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm winners at worst.
[UNKNOWN]: She kind of got the track.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because she gets out Sandra with that idle play, which is like, what a great play.
[UNKNOWN]: They got Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, I want to speak on Sandra for a second because you're talking about the way people play.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra works best when they're back to the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra doesn't work from power position.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra works their back to the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: It's why her first two times is so successful and game changers fell apart because all said she's in the position of power.
[UNKNOWN]: Where's the worst of a flu play, like a bad trusting Denise to do that move?
[UNKNOWN]: Again, it's Sandra trying to be a power.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra fails when she's in power, but she's great when her backs to the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: She likes to be a scrappy dog.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like going at the big dog, you know, Sandra, where's boss Rob likes to be the big dog?
[UNKNOWN]: Like you're saying, yeah, Kim is better from.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know if there's any player who can do both, Tony,
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, I'm sure there are others, but like I'm like Tony, I'm like you'll work both ways, power position, and from behind we saw that in Cook Islands, which maybe it's why we respect these winners so much, because I could see them doing, I have seen them do both, or I could see them do both.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, there are some winners who is like this is the, this is a position they like to be in a Denise, it's underdog, Denise likes to be underdog or be in the middle.
[UNKNOWN]: whether they definitely not in charge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because Denise's whole personality is to be like, oh, I'm on assuming I'm just a little lady.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't worry about me and that's, you know, Boston Rob wants to be the alpha male every room he walks into.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the case here.
[UNKNOWN]: Bossor Almonce control everything, the jokes can only be out of his mouth.
[UNKNOWN]: Stradden can only be a strategy he came up with.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't go talk to anybody, but Denise is like, okay, I'll go with the flow.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, you think about it.
[UNKNOWN]: They've over Paner, Penderplace, the idol RC goes home.
[UNKNOWN]: The next vote, she votes for Pete.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff Kenko's home.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: They immediately adapt after that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you're talking, you're at final nine.
[UNKNOWN]: you and Malcolm are already the only two people for matching.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of people from these other tribes and they immediately adapt and say, okay, where can we go?
[UNKNOWN]: to get things back on our side.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's now working with Penner, who she had just tried to vote out two episodes earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: And now is that was her willingness to really play with anybody.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And keep every door open, which was Malcolm's fatal flaw.
[UNKNOWN]: And he slammed the door on her.
[UNKNOWN]: She was willing to keep the door open with everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Denise is one of those players where I don't know if she herself could win again, but like you said, her style could win again.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think we've seen this style of survivor player win
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't, when I say a winner coming back, it's like, I just don't think they're even asked and he's back, let alone her come back and wait and unfortunately it's really based on winners of war, not because of she'd only played Philippines, I can see them bring her back, but afterwards awards like I don't know if Denise is high on there.
[UNKNOWN]: list to bring back.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially when there's our players who we haven't seen that we definitely we love to see back.
[UNKNOWN]: Earl, Amanda Kimmel, you know, I love to see those players back forward Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: So I do really like Denise's game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that it's important to note that I don't think there's a single person in this section of our discussion from Fabio to Denise who has a bad final tribal council.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he doesn't, so if he doesn't have a bad one, Kim doesn't have a bad one, Denise doesn't have one.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Fabio, I don't remember him having a bad one.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember Fabio, it's pretty good because he convinces people to move for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Chase is more bad than Fabio's as good, but Chase is going into that final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: Fabio was not a lot to win by any means.
[UNKNOWN]: I, that's what I'm saying, like so we've talked about, I know Prius, we talked about how like a bone, you know, infamously all three of them are terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: People perceive a man to be worse in my opinion that she really is a final tribal, but like, there's a string, or I know that she's a man, sorry, but like, part of what he wins, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's like partially because of me and it's so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, I'm mean, it's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, like, here's a string of like, I don't think any of these people had a bad final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: Because here's a wide variety of winners.
[UNKNOWN]: not the method that final tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, could be editing.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, could always could be editing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Could be decided to we're not making any of our winners look back on tribal, which I, I kind of things as smart move.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, be honest, let's say, that same time, like, I should never be coming up on tribal thinking, oh, they don't deserve it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like the one chance the show has to make them look better, or yeah, so well, and that's where I think Savannah was so interesting because Savannah's final tribal made it seem like she was absolutely going to lose.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if we thought she was going to lose, but it didn't really like you're coming out of that going so few final tribal is just a lot better than Savannah's home.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about that eventually.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, they're already nine one day.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so for today, I just want to mention all five of these winners, good final tribal councils, Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody else has ever done with Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to every single tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: She only has immunity at one tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying that she wasn't on the table, but did seem like the RC Abbey Maria storyline.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, Jonathan Pennerpso's got that vote, too.
[UNKNOWN]: There was bigger targets set up.
[UNKNOWN]: The Denise was not going at the RC vote, because it was going to be Penner, an end of being RC, but it wasn't like Penner or Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, Denise wanted immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I totally, and they're almost happy for her, because I was like, oh, good.
[UNKNOWN]: It was her.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because she's been gone every tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: She kind of, like, everyone kind of felt like she earned it, like she deserved it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the only vote she didn't have to do is Dana, because Dana gets well, basically evacuated slash quits, depending on how.
[UNKNOWN]: It's depending on what, if it's just favorite from 44 and you quit, it's not a quit, but if you're Dana, it's a quit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to throw up this diabetic survivor on Denise's best move to me was when she got Russell to spill his guts and believe she was on his side only convinced something not play as possible.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he didn't have the idol.
[UNKNOWN]: But that is crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Swan was not a good player.
[UNKNOWN]: I love them as a character.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a great character.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, his, his Philippines character is all time classic, you know, you can hear the curb your enthusiasm music playing in the background.
[UNKNOWN]: I really do, I really enjoy Russell Swan, the character on both seasons and I think he's a huge reason why Galoo falls apart because he's not there.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Aren't on demo.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I enjoy Russell Swan this season again.
[UNKNOWN]: I know he has this flaws as a fantastic character.
[UNKNOWN]: completely terrible strategy, he was never going to win survivor, but fantastic character like what a great find as a character on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I see we have an end of show question, Phil, do you want to answer this one?
[UNKNOWN]: I can't answer it, but I'll throw it up, swim a ton.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, either of you have any guesses on which survivor will be cast on the upcoming Big Brother season line that he heard for it being true.
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny because it was a, that was our casting video that we did yesterday on our Patreon and Blake was all fired up about it because he pays attention to Big Brother.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't watch Big Brother so I don't
[UNKNOWN]: Who's supposed to be filled, do you know?
[UNKNOWN]: I've no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I haven't watched Big Brothers since Surrecies in which was 25 and this was 28th about the air, so I've been watched in three years.
[UNKNOWN]: If I had to guess who they would pull.
[UNKNOWN]: They have to, is this, can someone on it, who is the suspicious, who are we suspecting?
[UNKNOWN]: I want to know about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe Russell hands, but it's 100% not enough.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not happening.
[UNKNOWN]: It's only Jesse Tanabam likes, and that's not less.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to, okay, so if it is a prior player, I'm almost, I would bet money.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be somebody from the Jesse Tanabama era, which means it's going to be somebody 39 to now, but more likely new era, if that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if it's CVS to saying, we need to cast somebody.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very likely to be somebody from pre Jesse Tanabama, meaning old school.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody that's going to spark excitement.
[UNKNOWN]: So, somebody, okay, so I see a comment saying, I heard D. Um, I think it would be D. You were the deer Tyson, I could, by the way, Tyson, fantastic choice for big brother.
[UNKNOWN]: What, I would watch if Tyson was on there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's not going to be hands.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no way, no chance.
[UNKNOWN]: D is a possibility, it doesn't excite me personally.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see that though, but Tyson, I would probably watch if Tyson went on.
[UNKNOWN]: So, like, if that's what they're looking for, I don't like big brother.
[UNKNOWN]: If I'll watch if Tyson's on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking D makes the most sense.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's going to be a woman.
[UNKNOWN]: That's magic.
[UNKNOWN]: I think D makes sense as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that that's like, this D seems we will like, and she's generally, I think generally, by the way, she's shocked.
[UNKNOWN]: We haven't talked about yet.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: Phil, get this.
[UNKNOWN]: She last year in the winter rankings, D was, and she's been like this ever since her win, or was she, or was she last year, D was 32 out of 50, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: And that was around the spot she's been since her win.
[UNKNOWN]: All of a sudden after 50 shoots up to 13.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is hilarious, because she didn't do anything impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing changed.
[UNKNOWN]: Her win on 45 did not change.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't go back and read it at the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just because she was on 15 people like her in 50.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we have her in between those numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think she's a solid winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't put her a 13.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she just shot up because 50 by us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I completely agree.
[UNKNOWN]: People, once they watch a season, it immediately becomes great.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you wait two years.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, I never mind.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't really care anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I know thoughts underneath.
[UNKNOWN]: How far away was she from a perfect game?
[UNKNOWN]: I had a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: Denise was, oh, I don't think we talked about eight boats off the perfect game too.
[UNKNOWN]: Of those red final tribal, she didn't get that.
[UNKNOWN]: Scoop harder and RTA.
[UNKNOWN]: Scoop harder.
[UNKNOWN]: I want saw him at a grocery store fell.
[UNKNOWN]: And he knows about this?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: If you don't know what we're talking about, look up Carter at the Carter from Sennia Philippines at the grocery store, fantastic greed.
[UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, so she also got six votes against her during the game, surprising because it never seemed like she was going.
[UNKNOWN]: So she got Abby Maria Thruvo on her in her way out the door.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the Penervo, when Penergos and Denise gets three, there's three of her six votes against her.
[UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, Dawson Dawson.
[UNKNOWN]: Dawson throws one on her out on her way out the door.
[UNKNOWN]: and who else, I think I'm overlooking another book.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets six votes against her during the season, prior to that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, oh, Malcolm Thurl's one on her.
[UNKNOWN]: Alley Maria Thurl's one, okay, there it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: People are throwing one on her.
[UNKNOWN]: The only chance she could have gone was with Peter Boat.
[UNKNOWN]: Dawson.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because it's not all towards the end of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: That makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Could you imagine Dawson doing what she did to Jeff, but like in the new era?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it will never be allowed.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no shot.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just wild that that happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff, by the way, Kudos to Jeff.
[UNKNOWN]: He played it off so cool and smooth at the reunion.
[UNKNOWN]: He could have reacted differently, but he just took it in strides.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, well, a good thing I have a wife when she kisses them at the reunion, because she kisses him twice when she comes.
[UNKNOWN]: She charges down the stands and gets them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just like wild television that I forget who's sitting next to her, but they literally like high fiber because they like definitely Egged her on to go do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, just kudos.
[UNKNOWN]: That's like one was like fantastic host Jeff Fantastic host.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, plays it so cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff the host fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff the executive producer and I wish somebody would tell me, no, yeah,
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, hey, I think that's it for the same man, so yeah, we got a we're going to have seasons 26 through 30 next week going from here.
[UNKNOWN]: And all the way to the park.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, crazy group here.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're not falling along our winter rankings, make sure you go check them out.
[UNKNOWN]: We put out our bottom 10 last week.
[UNKNOWN]: We said that this week's was going to be on Monday, however,
[UNKNOWN]: Really, it's actually going to be on Wednesday because Monday is the USA advanced and is playing in the round of 16 for the World Cup.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to be watching that I'm not going to do a podcast that can be done at any time.
[UNKNOWN]: So our podcast will actually be Wednesday night at 7 30 PM Pacific time 10 30 PM Eastern time where we'll go through 40 to 31, which I'm really happy and really excited to be doing that when a ranking is fun while we are doing this podcast somebody commented on our Instagram video about it and said,
[UNKNOWN]: This whatever list just lost my following.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, Oh, no, please no, don't go, don't You door hits ass.
[UNKNOWN]: Get out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so anyway, I love doing this kind of stuff because it always brings up those kinds of conversations and I find ranking winners to be so unbelievably arbitrary But hey, I'm gonna put my foot best foot forward.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll be back again next Thursday Talking about all of them west.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you're doing your thing over on your channels or anything you want to plug before we get out
[UNKNOWN]: Fantastic question every week, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, I don't feel like I have to ask, but I feel like I never have an answer.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, yeah, I probably should prepare an answer every time, but I honestly, again, I have my videos listed out from what I'm releasing through.
[UNKNOWN]: Shoot dude, I can probably tell you I'm releasing December.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's all right, but I couldn't tell you I'm releasing tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, not tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you what's safe Thursday.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the next video.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm releasing some Monday.
[UNKNOWN]: What is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Find out on Monday.
[UNKNOWN]: Find out next time on the channel.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I've made it.
[UNKNOWN]: I worked on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you ever watch the movie?
[UNKNOWN]: Turn on the sun.
[UNKNOWN]: Turn on the spotlight.
[UNKNOWN]: I have.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, in that movie when Elijah Wood is essentially stealing Jim Carries identity.
[UNKNOWN]: And he gives her the present.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, what is it?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, he's like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: That's you with your stuff you know what I remember the video I'm posting on Monday It's what if what what twist and advantages should they bring back and what should they not bring back in the new air are So you open the era that's a video.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really somebody that when I remember and that one I'll get into so I can steal all your ideas when we eventually do that video and like August to be fair A lot of them were fan ideas like I was like, what do you guys all think so they all commented them and I was like, okay And then I had a couple ideas on my own
[UNKNOWN]: But I was trying to get a idea of like, what do people want?
[UNKNOWN]: People by the way, Phil, did you know that when you do it positive both like, what do you want back?
[UNKNOWN]: There's way less comments than what, what do, what don't you want back?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a crippled tripled.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I know what I don't want back.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very funny.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was just saying you get the person who says you just lost my follow I don't get all the people who are like thanks for this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is wonderful.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody ever says positive.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just you know People love negativity.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why they really do it shows the views in the comments.
[UNKNOWN]: It's such a shame But that's how it works.
[UNKNOWN]: It's crazy, but all right everybody Well, thank you all so much for listening like this video and subscribe to the channel and we will see you next week Bye