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[UNKNOWN]: You are listening to the flagship podcast with your host, Joe Lanza, and a grab on, grab on!
[UNKNOWN]: And that gave it to you all, not rich, rich, every single time comes out, because I was there to help you.
[UNKNOWN]: I was trying to help you.
[UNKNOWN]: Because again, you have to be a simple kid to join this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a dumb and statistically poor.
[UNKNOWN]: We should point that out.
[UNKNOWN]: And we are live on the flagship podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I am Rich.
[UNKNOWN]: He is Joe Joe.
[UNKNOWN]: What's happened?
[UNKNOWN]: How are you?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, I did one of those shows where I just don't get up to take a shit at some point, so I tried to just sneak off to take a fat, but I knew it wouldn't have been fast enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a thumbs up view.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not here on the edge here.
[UNKNOWN]: You're a little pig.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to take a minute?
[UNKNOWN]: I can figure something out if you want.
[UNKNOWN]: A minute.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what you do in there, but that's not good.
[UNKNOWN]: That ain't gonna suffice.
[UNKNOWN]: I just had some buffalo wings for dinner and they went through me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: These weren't these weren't store bots, so no, no review.
[UNKNOWN]: These weren't reviewable wings.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not not reviewable wings.
[UNKNOWN]: Not monetize monetize monetize when I try to say.
[UNKNOWN]: monetizable.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just made a word.
[UNKNOWN]: Just create a word.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't monetize the these wings, but monetize monetize okay monetizable.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, monetizable monetizable.
[UNKNOWN]: What does Mr.
[UNKNOWN]: Beast he probably knows?
[UNKNOWN]: He's probably said it in a interview or something.
[UNKNOWN]: probably.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's monetized lots of things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, somehow.
[UNKNOWN]: This weird face is weird.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember I'm sure you have, because obviously you have children, so I'm sure you've consumed.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand how that guy became like the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, it blows my mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for him, but I just don't get it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of things.
[UNKNOWN]: But what does he do that makes the kids go nuts?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get it either.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he does.
[UNKNOWN]: There are cool things happen.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's like once he made enough money to be like, yeah, then I bought like 8,000 ice cream sandwiches.
[UNKNOWN]: And now these 800 people are gonna eat 8,000 ice cream sandwiches.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, all right, well that's, I get it because like he made enough, but like how did he get to the point where he made enough money to spend on buying 80,000 ice cream sandwiches for 800 people that you eat or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of things I don't get.
[UNKNOWN]: Why do women want to bone Timothy Shabalay?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, doesn't look attractive to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like, I don't, there's a lot of things I don't want to.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget if the nurse is into the shell of me.
[UNKNOWN]: What's the TLB thought on the shell, is perplexed.
[UNKNOWN]: OK. Every, I have, well, let me, I'll be right back.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to find out.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll talk to the listeners here.
[UNKNOWN]: Every time that man boy or whatever comes on the screen, I have to listen to the same rant from TLB because she cannot understand why women want to bone this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: And she wants answers for me and I'm like, well, I don't know why you asking me, you gotta like ask your friends or the women you work with.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get it either.
[UNKNOWN]: He just looks like they're a little wreck boy to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not very masculine.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he has a very handsome face.
[UNKNOWN]: His hair is always a mess.
[UNKNOWN]: Dress is like shit, I don't know, you're asking the wrong guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand things.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't understand Mr.
[UNKNOWN]: Beast's appeal, and I don't understand why women want a bone Timothy Shamalay, whatever a fuck his name is.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll see what the nurse has to say.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think she's gonna like him either.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think the nurse is gonna be into the Shamalay.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get that sense from what I know about her.
[UNKNOWN]: So, here, oh, I get here, rich coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: With the verdict, here's the verdict.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I said, would you fuck Timothy Sheldon, and she said, who?
[UNKNOWN]: She said, who is that?
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't even know who would it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I said, you know why?
[UNKNOWN]: He's the tweaky-looking guy that's I date in the general, and she went, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, and then, gave, without prompted, she said, if I had to bone a tweaky-looking guy would be Tom Holland, the, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: That guy is boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a guy's boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a guy's
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, like, I also don't want to upset with him.
[UNKNOWN]: So I can't tell you.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what do you want from me?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he doesn't look like the kind of male that women that I've dated or been with would be into, but I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I like, I think I could see why young girls would be in the ham.
[UNKNOWN]: Like teens, maybe girls up to like, they're early 20s, because a lot of times,
[UNKNOWN]: Listen to us breaking down what women like.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me tell you what the tweens are into, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no time women, you're not really into like Uber, masculine men yet.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: At that age.
[UNKNOWN]: Just with the podcast, we're all needs as two middle-aged white guys explaining what women like.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what, though, we joke about that, but why can't we have a fucking opinion, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, it's like, uh, I think that's kind of the psychology behind it, you know, because
[UNKNOWN]: Um, T.L.B.
[UNKNOWN]: one time, I, she, we, I, I took, I got pictures of all the NFL coaches and had her rank them by hotness, you know, because she's more into the coaches than the players because she's a weirdo, and, um, she was really into Dan Campbell.
[UNKNOWN]: Dan Campbell.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that.
[UNKNOWN]: How does that take you feel?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, Matthew, you're a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just he didn't have number one, but he was up there, you know, and, and she's like, I don't know, it looks like, you know, he, he looks like he drives a or a Ford F350 and doesn't take any shit and he, you know, I'll feel safe.
[UNKNOWN]: He feels very Texas coded in a way that I think she's probably comfortable with.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and it's like, she's like, I'll feel safe and all those things.
[UNKNOWN]: So I kind of get it, you know, like, but so if someone who's like attracted the Dan Campbell is not gonna be attracted to the Timothy.
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're just, so it's totally, just a giant man with a go-tie and a fucking shoe in.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not gonna be a dick, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It reminds me of the time I asked her about hook because hook was on the screen.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, what do you think of this guy?
[UNKNOWN]: Would you bone this guy?
[UNKNOWN]: And she sized them up, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: I saw her really thinking over the answer.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: He's kind of boyish.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd make out with him in the back of a cab, but then I'd give him a fake number.
[UNKNOWN]: What's her answer?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is.
[UNKNOWN]: So, and the kind of same energy is chamoleo, although a little more masculine.
[UNKNOWN]: Hooks a little more masculine.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, little little.
[UNKNOWN]: I think hook would fuck chamoleo up.
[UNKNOWN]: I would hope so.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would certainly hope so.
[UNKNOWN]: So that would make them more, you know, similar though in like I think like if you're attracted to one you're probably attracted to both.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that fair to say hook and shell a me.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I guess kind of like to shovel skinny New Yorker kind of yeah, yeah, I guess so yeah, I can sort of very zoomer coded.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: New York.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think one would go.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it it'd defend diagram.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, like very different than I think I'm attracted to Dan Campbell venn diagram, which would not touch the, I'm also addicted to shallamae.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right, right, but like her top NFL coach choices were like,
[UNKNOWN]: uh, Matt LaFlor, Sean McVeigh, like, okay, conventionally attractive man.
[UNKNOWN]: Conventionally attractive guys that are her age.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that before.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, yeah, he's a very, yeah, like those were all her, like, well, of course, like bang these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, but like that, Dan Campbell came out a lot of field, and then I had to have her explain that one.
[UNKNOWN]: And when she did, it made sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh yeah, he's a bitch.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I'd always feel safe.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, if somebody fucked with you, he'd step up to it right away and shut it down.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So he came in like ninth in her ranking or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I say, it wasn't like at the tip of your tongue.
[UNKNOWN]: Who was dead last?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you recall who was dead last?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: It was, this was like two years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: That's some old guy here, something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like old guys and the fact guys, obviously, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: like Andy Reed was like, yeah, I'm just like Andy Reed's probably the last time.
[UNKNOWN]: No, if I'd say Andy, but yeah, it's like, it was, it was nobody, like, all this sexual attractiveness is pretty low right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, I don't even know if we bothered with some of the things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just going to skip this one.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like, yeah, chiefs, all right, we don't need to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, you know, it's like, you just, Yeah, would you bang Andy Reed?
[UNKNOWN]: I might have got, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: It's maybe worth an ask, you know, because you never know what you're going to get.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we always say you got to ask Paul of act of questions, even if he doesn't answer.
[UNKNOWN]: You might get a non-answer might be an answer from her on her Andy Reeves thoughts.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that would be, yeah, I mean, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I really doubt it, but I mean, at least it's worth a try.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't, I can't fucking imagine.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's probably that, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She watches these baseball games, don't she's always like, who's that manager?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, did you tell her back in our games?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, here's the thing, back in our day, and this bullshit, back in our day, every manager was like, this old grumpy, kind of big, bellied guy, and now these dudes get hired and they're like 37 years old, like fucking greedy size more was like the white socks in a manager last year and I was like, I'll come on, he's like 41 years old, we can't have that or like, you know, we'll venibles the white socks manager this year
[UNKNOWN]: got to be in his early 40s if not late 30s and I'm like not fuck off we need like we need to have looping now out there we need to have freaking not Larry Rothschild like I want those guys these are just a haggard gray hair the belly hanging over the the belts like that I don't I don't want to slim trim well fitted jerseys I might I might
[UNKNOWN]: Manage you're no you want Bobby Cox.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a nice case of stangles I can barely walk right right Waddle out there to make a I say this and then the white socks are totally loose and I wanted to die But it was a comfort it was comforting to know well at least one team still has a dodging old man that might fall asleep on the bench at any time And that's good Who was the uh, who's the Marlins guy that won the Jacky and Jacky and right he was like
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he was like 80, 90 years old when they hired him and then fucking worked.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, Trader Jack, yeah, Jack McKean, who's the smoker guy from Ogim Leeland, Jim Leeland.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like that that's what managers are.
[UNKNOWN]: So now he didn't he wasn't fat because he just he didn't eat.
[UNKNOWN]: He just wants cigarettes and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he just ripped more burrows between his.
[UNKNOWN]: He was doing.
[UNKNOWN]: But like that's how I grew up with managers and now they're all like, hi, this guy retired two years ago and now he's like, you know, and they're all good looking and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, yeah, these idiots.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it is true that at the NFL too, they hire all these young head coaches now that would never have gotten jobs previously.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's, and they're all like writing her age zone.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like it works out perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, these guy late 30s early for it, plus she likes him a little older, just it works out perfect for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry Oats, or was it was it Jerry Oats?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's the Orioles guy in the 90s?
[UNKNOWN]: Something Oats?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, oh, what was his first name, Jerry was a Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think Jerry, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was a Jerry, it was a Jerry, oh, it's something oats.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you Google Jerry oats, and it's like a literal plant.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, Johnny Oats.
[UNKNOWN]: Johnny Oats.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you're thinking of.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a stash.
[UNKNOWN]: Old Tommy LaSorta.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what the fuck Tommy LaSorta?
[UNKNOWN]: No, buddy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, look at the phone here.
[UNKNOWN]: These guys were better because they had to spend like 25 years in the minors and then it'd be like, all right, fine.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll hire you.
[UNKNOWN]: Or like,
[UNKNOWN]: or they played forever in the league, and then they just, yeah, you'd play forever in the league, you'd be a catcher that would play until you were 38 years old, and then you had to spend 15 years in the frickin' miners, coaching Tacoma in the AAA or whatever, and then finally you'd get hired to the major leagues, but then you got hired, and you were 61 years old by that point, and you were old as hell, and grizzled, and he hated everything, and that's when managers were managers, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it was a, it was a fun way to get out of here and looking at your fucking analytics man.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what your ass with you?
[UNKNOWN]: You're spreadsheet's get out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're time to the order.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: He's he's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's looking good out there.
[UNKNOWN]: He's dealing.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry Oates is a wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I was mixing up.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for a favor.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, Jerry Oates was a wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry Oats was a wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: I think so.
[UNKNOWN]: Oats.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I have a couple of Johnny Oats cards.
[UNKNOWN]: I used to get a lot of manager cards back in the day.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's probably why some of these guys are so vivid in my head and they just old grizzled smokey.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember Ted Oats?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess they were brothers, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Ted Oats and Jerry Oats?
[UNKNOWN]: or where they worked brothers on a what they were for Gerry Oats and Tettos worked.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember Tettos, it's very weird, but I don't remember much about Gerry Oats.
[UNKNOWN]: That's find out here.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see that much.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they have a Wikipedia page.
[UNKNOWN]: Primarily known as one half of the Oats Brothers along with Gerry Oats, but yeah, I don't know Tettos' shoot names, so I can't, uh, yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: These guys don't look like their brothers.
[UNKNOWN]: can't just eyeball them.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Someone's listening and they can answer that.
[UNKNOWN]: So maybe it's Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember not 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember the one of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like Georgia guys, like 70's Georgia guys, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that era of Georgia championship wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: He'd up by the Anderson.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: We just give it a to all of you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's that.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have a pack to open today?
[UNKNOWN]: Are we just going to get right into the wrestling?
[UNKNOWN]: I moved the box.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't go for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, how far the house far is the box?
[UNKNOWN]: I got stairs.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not going for that.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: What if I had a pack?
[UNKNOWN]: What if I had a pack in 1978, Top's basketball up there?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Welcome, there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And get the pack?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, if you have any basketball credits, I kind of want you to go up there and get them.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the old year we do, we got to do baseball this time.
[UNKNOWN]: We did a couple of basketball ones last time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I have an open baseball right now.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we had a lot to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if you show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to you, show it to
[UNKNOWN]: But he was like drunken manager getting fired by George Steinbrenner.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, but I think it's just banging.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's banging a lot though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, probably like a lot lizard.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I meant, but it's all right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's still getting it done.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was pulling like anything decent.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, he was closing down bars and whoever was there.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, ah, you would be like, you know, you're with me, leather, you know, the classic.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Christopher has been lying through that person.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, just mean you again, Lorraine, you know, and that was, as she puts out her cigarette, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Deep sigh.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Brush it off.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, Billy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, don't come near my ass, like you tried last time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then he gets his cards in only.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Does the deed get to this car, and then I make it home.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, on Christmas night, 1989, he did not make it home.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he did not make it home.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Billy Martin.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, nobody from the Martin family listens to the, oh, come on, come on.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you want us to say about Billy Martin?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's you know we kind of said it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to rewatch boxes burning one of these days I have the DVDs, but here's the thing about owning DVDs like you know like everyone's like I'm a physical media guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never given my physical media.
[UNKNOWN]: I own a lot of this clip Do you think I would ever consider putting boxes burning the DVDs into my late PlayStation watch?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think I looked and I couldn't find it streaming anywhere and I was like I had to help it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I own it.
[UNKNOWN]: They're right there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at the entertainment center where they are, but the thought of me getting up, opening it, walking to the PlayStation, does my PlayStation play DVDs?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think probably, I'm not even sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not even sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I do.
[UNKNOWN]: So I, I know what plays Blue Race does it play DVDs?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll never know because I'm not going to plop in my fucking Bronx's burning set.
[UNKNOWN]: And watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, all right, forget it then.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I honestly, literally I have no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: Does there's a place station for play DVDs?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it does.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it does.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But the five does the five play DVDs.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wait.
[UNKNOWN]: I have the five.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Why am I asking about the four?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We asked about the four.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh.
[UNKNOWN]: Play station five play DVDs.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It does.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: They play station five to play DVDs.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know that.
[UNKNOWN]: But only if it has a district, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, what a dumb response.
[UNKNOWN]: You just killed at least one small tree.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just for it to tell me that you must have a district where they just can do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I got real mad like six months ago because I was like, where the hell is my season two of Oz of my Oz DVD set?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I couldn't find a season two of my Oz DVD set.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I stopped and I was like, why am I mad?
[UNKNOWN]: This is like all on,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is easily accessible on Macs, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like why am I even mad about this?
[UNKNOWN]: And why do I even still have season one and then season three and five?
[UNKNOWN]: Like why?
[UNKNOWN]: Who ever borrowed season two and didn't give it back?
[UNKNOWN]: Like it doesn't matter at this point, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: But I was mad at the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm then like you, I realized I'm never playing these.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm gonna get better picture quality if I just watch it on Macs anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: So that helps the difference.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think that but that's the issue
[UNKNOWN]: unlimited for some reason.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why.
[UNKNOWN]: So it is like kind of not lost media, but it's not it's not streaming anywhere right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So if I want to watch it, which I did, I had like this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what I was.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I watched there was another documentary on peacock or something about some the 80, 1980, something the Yankees I forget which one I was, but yeah, really, really badly want to do
[UNKNOWN]: watch prices burning and I was like, Oh, I'll just, you know, pop up up.
[UNKNOWN]: He has been eliminated.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going through and I cannot find it.
[UNKNOWN]: Cannot find it and I find it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then yeah, I could have gotten up, open to a drawer and grab this.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, oh, man, forget it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't guys want something else.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm just watching, you know, record them for the big East again or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Why do you want to watch Oz?
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I'm like, Tobias Beachers been through a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: You just don't tell me what I want to watch, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, were you actually trying to watch it or were you just mad that you couldn't find it?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, were you?
[UNKNOWN]: Jonesing for Oz Season 2, or you were just like, where the fuck is Oz Season 2?
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I was just looking through my stuff and noticed season two wasn't there and I'm like, where's my season two?
[UNKNOWN]: My fucking ass DVD set that I bought 22 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Where is it?
[UNKNOWN]: So you're texting friends like, yeah, I'm like, I'm trying to think.
[UNKNOWN]: Who did I give this to?
[UNKNOWN]: World my season two of odds.
[UNKNOWN]: Who borrowed this and never gave it back?
[UNKNOWN]: Cause that's some bullshit right there.
[UNKNOWN]: Barrel something you should give back absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: I was cleaning something out the other day And I found a DVD set of something I borrowed from one of my friends probably 2011 or whatever so I texted that friend.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, what oh no I don't care like you can keep it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was it's like I don't even it was like a wrestling set It was like the best ladder matches the whole time or something.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I don't know Yeah, yeah, oh my you want this back and he's like no, I don't want
[UNKNOWN]: The best of latter matches, you can keep it, it's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: I got piles of wrestling DVDs still that I'm never going to play.
[UNKNOWN]: Never.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe the Noah ones if they still work.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't they work.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got some still in the cellophane that I never even cracked open Because I would go to these ROH shows and just buy me a bunch.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have a bunch of those too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like ooh three for 20 You got me.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you got to get three for 20 because it was no I forget what they were a piece, but it was like So close to 20 that you were like I have to get three.
[UNKNOWN]: It'd be silly not to buy three of these But then I never even opened a lot of them
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so I've got like these tons of wrestling dead that haven't even been crap.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe they're I should really look up and see if they're.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to see if there's anything that you have out there that's not readily available.
[UNKNOWN]: I should probably try to help the, help the world.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but what do you do?
[UNKNOWN]: You're just fucking sit there.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm never watching these.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the idea of playing a DVD, like you just said, like I can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: And it wouldn't take any more time than then searching endlessly through ESPN and through whatever app or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: It wouldn't take that much more time to just get up.
[UNKNOWN]: Crack open the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Drink, yeah, put it in the frickin' disk drive.
[UNKNOWN]: Walk back to your couch, grab the controller, whatever, but I'm not doing that, kidding me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's ridiculous, but I keep them.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get rid of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,
[UNKNOWN]: My mom's always like, can I get me that?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, you can't get me.
[UNKNOWN]: What if I need survivors in 1990?
[UNKNOWN]: You would never know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would never be never going away.
[UNKNOWN]: And it not being replaced like, look.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Well.
[UNKNOWN]: I was hoping my brother would bring my tapes with my baseball cards, but he couldn't fit him in the card.
[UNKNOWN]: No, come on.
[UNKNOWN]: But see, I'm thinking they don't work, and they can't possibly work.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, if they haven't been played or watched or anything, climate control, like nah, here you go.
[UNKNOWN]: No, sitting in a new jersey addict with, you know, yeah, yeah, with the humidity and the cold in the hot summer and then freezing winter.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, things can't possibly work, but I mean, there's a lot of, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: Japanese tape trading day shit, the territory stuff that might not be all over the place.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I've got some weird war tapes, you know, the Japanese promotion, not like World War Two Retrosites, not the band war, it's not a bunch of concerts, it's a war.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I know there's not a lot of war stuff floating around so I don't know, but I'm afraid none of them are going to work anymore, you know, so I don't know, and now it'll be another 10 years before someone offers to drive them up here.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not something I'm bringing home on a plane.
[UNKNOWN]: Crates of VHS.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Especially not to see war play low rider live, like you don't need to do that at, you know, stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: I have some weird trio's matches on those war tapes though, so maybe they are worth being the weirdo at the airport.
[UNKNOWN]: You ever see the weirdo at the airport like hauling something very strange?
[UNKNOWN]: Like why?
[UNKNOWN]: Come on, just nail it.
[UNKNOWN]: What happened to me?
[UNKNOWN]: The last time we came back from a international flight, where the hell are we going?
[UNKNOWN]: I forget.
[UNKNOWN]: Or come back from Canada.
[UNKNOWN]: I just got put in like I don't know what I I didn't answer something right so they put me in the like you need to get double checked line And I don't even know what I said.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know what I did or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I it's all blur.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was in like the special room with all these people that all had like contraband that they were bringing in and had to get checked or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: The guy in front of me had Just 7 different like of the biggest luggage as you can ever imagine filled with meat
[UNKNOWN]: And they were like, raw meat.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it looked like fucking half of a cow, just stuffed into this.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like,
[UNKNOWN]: guys like I think that I have like an apple or whatever my I think I had like an apple and I was like I have an apple and I forgot to throw it away Like what do you guys want me to know like ah you gotta go to the line I was like fuck all right fine, and I was like can I like I was like I've an apple can we just throw my apple like and like I was bringing in a Call from Senegal can we like can maybe that guy get extra attention and my my apple from Quebec City Can they be just like we can let that slide?
[UNKNOWN]: From Calgary, I brought in a freaking orange that I bought at a grocery store in Calgary can I maybe just toss it and we can move out with our day or whatever But they kept open their things and they're like so sir what's in this one?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like I don't know if they could open it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just fucking massive.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a blood.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like bloody meat and it was I was like, oh Yeah, it's like what has happened human meat like I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know They they called an extra though.
[UNKNOWN]: After they opened like the fourth thing a luggage and they had a big hunk of meat in it
[UNKNOWN]: And the guy was like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he didn't really speak any English at all.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was a bad, and they were like, are we going to call somebody else in here?
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
[UNKNOWN]: I lied and told you I didn't bring this orange in or whatever, so I think I was a bad liar because they're like did you have anything?
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, oh, if I don't tell them and they find out I brought in orange from Calgary.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't mean to get in trouble.
[UNKNOWN]: So Can't you just can't you just house the orange right in front of them like Like a wise guy just house that fuck I think you're still going to line I think you're going to line then yeah, or the room the special room
[UNKNOWN]: then they're gonna know you're being a wise guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right, right, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they prefer you just lie.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they would prefer, the guy you even told me is like, next time if it's just literally an apple from fucking Quebec City or whatever, we don't need to know that.
[UNKNOWN]: You could just keep going.
[UNKNOWN]: He kind of pointed, he's like, that's the stuff we need to know about.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't care about your apple and I was like, I don't know, why isn't your goody two shoes?
[UNKNOWN]: Why'd you call yourself out?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: One time I brought like seven apples back from Italy and I probably shouldn't have done that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I felt bad about that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it was like,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're probably bringing some virus over here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: So I always felt terrible about that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think this time I was like, I can't buy.
[UNKNOWN]: There is a single orange in my backpack.
[UNKNOWN]: So I should have ate on the plane, but anyways.
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows what kind of insects came in on those Italian apples?
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Introducing into the ecosystem.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I possibly started COVID.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Me and it was definitely Dave.
[UNKNOWN]: Never date when Meltzer came back for that trip.
[UNKNOWN]: And he just coughed for too much, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And Brian's like, Dave, what is going on over there?
[UNKNOWN]: He's gone, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And then go to Bush.
[UNKNOWN]: He had like lung bleeding and we're all like, what's going on over there in Japan?
[UNKNOWN]: And then I go with games.
[UNKNOWN]: But between that and his smoke alarm, we're even saying battery.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that was the battery back up there.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it was a computer battery back there.
[UNKNOWN]: What about that six-month period, where the alarm on his watch would go off at the same time during every episode.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was a weird time, too, like, one forty-seven.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right, because that one Broadway bride looked out.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, Dave, why is your alarm set for one forty-seven A.M. And he's like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, go away, maybe turn it off.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, yeah, I'll do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, literally.
[UNKNOWN]: For months.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, walking to the rest of the games are ready, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep
[UNKNOWN]: That's just a random ass time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so fantastic that you can't make that up.
[UNKNOWN]: When we lose Dave we're losing that like the one that the Casio watch goes off at 147 a.m. every And he just doesn't care like oh there goes that again.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll get it tomorrow for threats and then it goes off again.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the battery back of was so loud Because it'd be like yes, so raw did a point.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, oh, I don't want to be another minute or so, and I was like, okay, another minute.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I have to change the batteries, and he's like, well, change the fucking batteries, Dave.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He can's all a soul of an air and get it done.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Did you see the clip from a couple days ago where, um, there's a, there's a Ryan and Vinnie show.
[UNKNOWN]: and Brian's daughter came in the room and she was looking around at the screen and saw the people yeah running with yeah can you imagine what a little yeah get your shit together Brian I'm running from a kid on your show come on how dare you but she comes at it she's still pretty young I forgot how old she is or whatever but she's like you know looking at and Brian's like what are you looking at she's like I'm just looking at all the people and I go okay cool and she goes where's the guy with all the papers?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, kids don't know, they just talk.
[UNKNOWN]: I got my father in trouble once because he complains.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so we're at a family reunion.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was talking to his cousin George, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And he's sitting there talking to him and I'm a kid.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like eight or nine at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm thinking to myself, cousin George, how do I know what that name?
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, oh, I know, cause, and I was like, dad, I'm tugging on like his sleeve as he's talking to the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, dad, this is the guy that stole your baseball cards when you were kids, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like,
[UNKNOWN]: Russian my hand away and trying to say finally the conversation ends with the guy and he turns the man he's talking through his teeth he's like shut up he's like shut up you're embarrassed and me you're not supposed to say things like that like you've been telling me this story my whole life but as a kid I don't know that that's embarrassing like that he's accusing the guy of stealing his baby.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah right right right.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: So he's he's hanging around with you.
[UNKNOWN]: It'd be like, Oh, George, he's still my baseball car is me like, that's the first one for my baseball cars.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: It's jerk off a cousin George stole all my baseball cards.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's telling me that all the time, but he didn't want me to say that in that moment because now his cousin knows that he talks shit about him.
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's still a baseball car.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, so kids don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: You definitely read that in a fight between the two and they, they didn't talk for the game.
[UNKNOWN]: They probably never talked about the game, because because his cousin was probably mortified that my dad knows that he stole his baseball cards now.
[UNKNOWN]: You see what I'm saying right right right right right right.
[UNKNOWN]: I set off this whole chain of events.
[UNKNOWN]: Because just because I'm a dopey eight year old, you know, so you let that be a lesson to you.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta be careful when you tell your kids.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't talk shit about people because they're going to be like, I talk shit about people.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, is this the fat one, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: You never know what they're going to repeat because they don't know any better.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I hear you saying it and I think it's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to get trouble for that for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I like to talk a lot of shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Secretly, sadly.
[UNKNOWN]: Secretly, sadly indeed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I might have to be less sassy in front of the child.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I have you had you just opened the pack.
[UNKNOWN]: We probably wouldn't have done.
[UNKNOWN]: But instead we spent 33 minutes fucking around.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's what we do.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we do.
[UNKNOWN]: Not like we have a lot to talk about here.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, we are.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Paul, we're a global brand.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what we do.
[UNKNOWN]: It would, we'll talk about night of champ.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a little bit later.
[UNKNOWN]: Because if that's what they do, wow.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so I mean, night of champ.
[UNKNOWN]: I really hated that night of champ.
[UNKNOWN]: I did not like it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: No, did not like it at all.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll talk about it though, a little bit later.
[UNKNOWN]: So review that, we'll also review NXT the great American Bash.
[UNKNOWN]: great American bash a TNA slam a versery I'll talk about some recent TNA departures more people departing the company we will also do a little bit of fallout from forbidden door we're not going to review forbidden door though because we did all that on Sunday night immediately following the show on instagram action live voice the wrestling dot com slash patreon patreon dot com slash voice wrestling flexion patreon dot com however you want to get there that is how it's all done but i tend to learn to your
[UNKNOWN]: It's an irrational life for bin door, about two hours, maybe little over two hours, recapping review in the entire show, Big Picture Thoughts about everything coming in and out of the show, again, like thoughts, deep thoughts on every single match.
[UNKNOWN]: We always say we're the best in the business because a lot of other people will review a paper review and be done in 40 minutes and 30 minutes or whatever not us.
[UNKNOWN]: We go two hours, extensively breaking down the paper review and really just
[UNKNOWN]: digging into the the the big picture stuff as well.
[UNKNOWN]: So that is instantly action live four for bendors.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to hear us recap and review for bendor a great show a very, very good show.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to we do that exclusively on the 10 out here at flagship patreon.com.
[UNKNOWN]: We will talk about the beach break beach break.
[UNKNOWN]: I keep saying beach blast in my head.
[UNKNOWN]: I think is the old W seven.
[UNKNOWN]: I said that today on the review.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Last and first I wrote beach blast in the notes like six times and at a
[UNKNOWN]: Catch myself every single time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's beach break beach break That's coming up next week on dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a loaded show basically a paper view level dynamite So I will recap or or get you ready for that coming up this Wednesday But before we do any of that that we should probably talk about this this news came out right day
[UNKNOWN]: and it was right after we had done our show on Thursday night and we didn't obviously know that this felt inevitable whenever it was going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: We just didn't know exactly when it was going to happen and that is Joe Doring passing away.
[UNKNOWN]: All Japan, Triple Crown Champion two time, Triple Crown Champion.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe Joe Doring passed away at the age of 44, Belling his third bout with a with a brain tumor.
[UNKNOWN]: And early in the week, I think it was a sister-in-law that announced that he was entering hospice care.
[UNKNOWN]: And that, yeah, this was, we knew this news was going to come.
[UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately, soon, and came very quickly that, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: He died at the age of 44, but we covered, I mean, most of his career, right here on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we watched all the, I mean, all the old pants stuff for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, at least that second half of his old Japan run after his daughter to be developmental tenure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, most of that stuff was covered in real time on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: So we obviously have tons of thoughts and have done tons of reviews of Joe doing matches throughout the years, but yeah, would you, would you make of the news they passed away at 44?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, he's been fighting that brain cancer for what's seemingly 10 years.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: His first one was February of 2016.
[UNKNOWN]: He came back from that, returned to the ring just a year later.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That again in August of 2022.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that he never came back to the ring after that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this one where it took his life finally.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he had the long run in all of Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, actually,
[UNKNOWN]: he was in all Japan and then he got signed by WWE for a while there.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was an F.C.
[UNKNOWN]: W. He was a Drake brewer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I never made it to the main roster and then went back to all Japan for the long all Japan run, which,
[UNKNOWN]: Where that was really that's the peak run of his career that second older pan run of his after He was like oh from from FC W and and of course the you know iconic Come on mother fucker show me power to Zeus.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean just to just a legendary clip and
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that was a clip that went around Twitter for years and years after that and with that match against Zeus.
[UNKNOWN]: And just to just look, just a cool as fuck, no nonsense, meat and potatoes, big hoss of a pro wrestler who was perfect for that era of all Japan too.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, wrestling guys like Zeus.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and, um,
[UNKNOWN]: and Suama and all the big hoses they have in all Japan at that time and really a dying breed kind of progress.
[UNKNOWN]: So you don't have a lot of Joe Dorings around anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: It's something that we lament a lot on this show and he did win the triple crown a couple of times during that run.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I think you want it twice.
[UNKNOWN]: Twice.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Giddo was a top guy in all Japan, and then finally later on, got his first real break in North American wrestling when he ended up with impact in 2021 and 2022, and that was post the first battle with the brain cancer, and probably isn't the kind of run that he could have had if he would have been
[UNKNOWN]: If you would have been healthy all that time, but still had a chance to excel and have a nice little run on American TV after all of those years just killing it in Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll definitely remember, I mean, the algebra pan run in particular just because we watched it live as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it was a little tougher to watch algebra pan at that time, and it was a little bit more difficult, but that was a fun time, because you did not have the streaming service.
[UNKNOWN]: So a lot of it was, you know, different Facebook groups, the real hero, Google Drive that would get updated with these guys who had a
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was, you know, Eric, real hero, Eric who had some sort of satellite hook up or something like that and he would get the same right TV feeds and record it and then there was Chamol who we'll talk we'll talk about in a little bit that he unfortunately passed away very young as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget how old he was.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a weird he passed away and like nobody had any clue what happened and it was very, very strange.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if this
[UNKNOWN]: that news broke while we were doing this right that's right yeah and I didn't believe it when I read it because he was only like 20 I mean he was in his mid 20s when it happened and it was like nobody was quite sure
[UNKNOWN]: like he left his house and then he was just dead and there's still I think a lot of mystery on what happened there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I paid me.
[UNKNOWN]: I was there.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard some talk, but nothing I'm going to say on.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So terrible is super young guy and and someone who if you don't know if you've been watching to mail it's to mail not I said tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: I think earlier to mail.
[UNKNOWN]: If you've been watching Japanese wrestling on the internet for years and years, chances are that you watch the ton of shit that he is responsible for uploading and getting out there to the people in the West, that's the bottom line.
[UNKNOWN]: And as you noted last week, he had a relationship with Joe Doreng through some of those Facebook groups and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, Joe Doreng was one of those wrestlers who had open lines of communication with fans and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that era of all Japan where it was, you know, big guy slapping meat.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think he'd be Suhama for the belt in both of those rains.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, wrestled guys like Zousin and Daki Bono was a big part of all Japan at that time, Go Shilzaki, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: And he lost his title, Doring, to the second time, to Kendall, Meahara, because it was kind of like a transition between those two errors.
[UNKNOWN]: Kendall was on the come up.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was really Aki Bono, who was one of the instrumental guys in getting Meahara over, but then also, you know, Joe Doring as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Was that Bihara's first rain?
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see if I could find that out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let me try to, um, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: A couple by them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it was.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, it wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: He, uh, he beats Zeus for it in 2016.
[UNKNOWN]: That was his first one.
[UNKNOWN]: So the, when he's this, what a band is.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think it's third rain, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I would have been like 2018.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, third rain.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, that was his third rain by now.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so yeah, yeah, third rain, but that's kind of era we're talking about for Joe Doreen, kind of that bridging the gap between sort of that big man era and then kind of the initial Kento Miyahara era where they then started to introduce some people.
[UNKNOWN]: like Jake Lee and Ayoyagi and people like that who came a little later and kind of the shape of the promotion, the tone and the shape of the promotion changed a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: As they, in that decade, in the early 2020s as opposed to the late 2010s, when Doring was really one of the top guys there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because that Joe Doring run.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's one that for people that weren't around and watching it in real time, that is like you said, it's Go Shiozaki, it's Sujiya Shikawa, it's Suama, it's the bodyguard, it's Zeus, it's you know, bigger, yeah, Akibono, you know, Okobayashi, like those, it's like that, it's like, you know, you watch these main events and it was big dude, you know, going in there and fucking Hama, you always used to be there too, and we were able to Hama would be in there all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I was a big man's game at that point for sure,
[UNKNOWN]: transition to Kento that kind of happened in 2018.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it started a little bit early with 2016.
[UNKNOWN]: It was Kento was already in there.
[UNKNOWN]: But by, you know, by 2018, that's when most of those guys were already starting to really age out.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, Doring was starting to be on the back half of his career.
[UNKNOWN]: Suama was starting to slow down a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, like bodyguard zoos, those other guys were starting to really, and then like you said, it gave way to a smaller, you know, faster paste, you know, the kind of the Kento me or Haris style man events that we see these days.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it was a time where these all Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you, you, you,
[UNKNOWN]: Hit play and it was like two guys is fucking grunting and chop in each other for 25 minutes and it was Fucking great.
[UNKNOWN]: It was fucking great.
[UNKNOWN]: And Kento.
[UNKNOWN]: We really bridge the gap because he had great matches with the suji ishicacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacacac
[UNKNOWN]: Love was guys moved on, you know, Joe Doring had his health problems and Zeus eventually left the promotion and then took over Osaka Pro, which is a promotion that he still runs today.
[UNKNOWN]: And Suama kind of just got older and aged out of the main event, Suji is Shikawa same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He got older, he stuck around longer than a lot of those guys, but he's just was not the same worker anymore and then stopped working in the promotion, the bodyguard, I mean, he was Zeus's buddy and he took off and the colleague of thing, that canceled 40 times and now he's just kind of, and he was always an older guy.
[UNKNOWN]: The bodyguard was well into his 40s during the period when he
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, and now he's still, you know, he'll pop up on the occasional soccer pro show now that he's like 60 years like 60 years, something like that too.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, he's like, oh, he's older now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he's still juicing up, but he's still stuff what he's still got that dump her on him too, but he's yeah, but he was so yeah, it's kind of the the whole fabric of the promotion changed over from Doring's heyday.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and Kento was kind of the bridge and then you had you Jake Lee's and your aoyagi's and people like that and now of course into this era with your uma on size and and your say those they're kind of bringing
[UNKNOWN]: bigger guys back again, you know, and especially, you know, you look the titans of calamity and the say those and you may, oh, y'all, you just like a classic six foot three chisel from it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that guy would have been someone that, you know, a promotion would have pushed in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s were today.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's kind of like the, and then who's the constant?
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of me a horror, but yeah, that Joe Doring era, which was so much fun, especially in the early days of this show, where we reviewed so much of that old Japan stuff, because it was just a different kind of pro wrestling than other places we're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: It was almost like,
[UNKNOWN]: one of the last promotions or territories that we're featuring, you know, big guys slapping me, just beating a shit out of each other.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, it's, and as I said, with Doring, he's kind of like, there's not a lot of Joe Doring's floating around out there anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's, that whole, yeah, that whole Algebraan era, like those guys, you know, when, when they're done, we talk about this was like a motor all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: When, when, when dice case soccer motor retires, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no,
[UNKNOWN]: that, you know, no one's replacing a jodoring, no one's replacing a oak obaiashi, no one's replacing a lot of these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: They're just that body type that wrestler style is, it's, you just really don't see it at all anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: So once these guys go, it's over, it's kind of done.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's sad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's not, there's not many guys do, you know, with that size working that, you know, clobber and style, it's just, it's not, it's not something that's
[UNKNOWN]: in favor right now, which is that of you just I don't know whether wrestling just isn't drawing those kinds of athletes or drawing those kinds of like manly men, we just had this Timothy Shambalay conversation, they're not drawing the Dan Campbells anymore, you know, for wrestling used to draw those guys and they just don't, really, in any in any pro wrestling culture either, it's like it's why it's why Jake Doyle and
[UNKNOWN]: and Mark Davis stand out so much in a W because it's just not, you know, outside of like Lance Archer, who Tony never lets wrestle, he kind of just stands behind Don Callis and makes weird faces.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, there's no big men in UltraPan in a W right now and of real prominence, you know, the powerhouse Hobbs for a while and, you know, he moved on and,
[UNKNOWN]: Even WWE, which probably, if you scaled it out, would have larger wrestlers than a, w, it's not like they're pushing, you know, a King Kong Bundy or anything right now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, it's, that's, and the Joe Doring style of wrestler, which comes from the line of like your standhands and people like that, your big ugly cowboys who are gonna,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, hit you with a lariat and punch you in the face and it just doesn't, it just, they don't exist anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And even if they do have, I mean, Guntler was kind of that and now look at where he's becoming skinny, lost all of his weight and his styles completely different than what it once was.
[UNKNOWN]: So he was a guy who 10 years ago was in that mold, but now look at where he's at.
[UNKNOWN]: Now to get to where he got to in WWE, he had a completely transform his, his body and his, his working style and now he doesn't even resemble what that guy was 10 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, he was a big guy who worked the rugged style, but it's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: I never really think of him when I think of these other guy, like a Joe Dorg.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think of a good third.
[UNKNOWN]: It's weird.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like he didn't work.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, chop the shit out of people, obviously, and all of that, you know, when it wasn't his rugged.
[UNKNOWN]: The good thing there's stuff was more.
[UNKNOWN]: He was going to, I mean, look, when he wrestled someone, you, you, you, you, you look like that person went through it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Not like he wrestled soft.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, but there's still some kind of dis, it's still not the same to me and there's still kind of a disconnect there and I don't really know what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: you bring up a good point though we do need to do is have a tonic on firejacked oil and then he can go to Alchipan as I think the only option we need to firemark damage and he needs to go to know uh like these guys have to but they you know that that's the only solution that we have those are only two ways that we can get those guys back on I don't think tonic on as any interest in pushing big guys uh no no he never does yeah he's never shown any interest in it you know it's uh for whatever reason
[UNKNOWN]: you know, it's maybe, and I don't know if that's the lack of them, but even the ones he gets his hands on, which is why I was really excited for, from Davis and Doyle, because he was pushing them, and it was very clear they were going to win the tag belts if Doyle hadn't gotten injured.
[UNKNOWN]: But, and to be fair, he kept pushing Davis and he's pushing Doyle now, so that's good.
[UNKNOWN]: But, and any time he's given Lance Archer a chance, I mean, think of those Texas death matches against Hangman and, and, and, and, you know, Archer as kind of a heel gatekeeper type.
[UNKNOWN]: always delivered but like he never wrestles anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: He never lets him wrestle.
[UNKNOWN]: That's probably the biggest guy on the roster.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Satan I'm saying, but he he's there's the Joe 800 more dark magic of the Kolkaban and then he'll finally be ready for television.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that's that's a freak show giant.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a different genre than classic big guy.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's an even different.
[UNKNOWN]: That's you know, that's a different genre entirely, but
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, Joe Doring, it's like you don't, there's not a lot of Joe Doring's floating around anywhere in Pro Wrestling right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's something that Pro Wrestling's missing.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I think that you want to have a little bit of everything, you know, and that's one kind of genre of wrestler that is in short supply right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, his passing way at 44, it just absolutely brutal.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, he had that impact run and I don't know if they did the TNA YouTube channel did put the best of Joe Doring, you know, in TNA, they put a video up there, a lot of the stuff that used to be up on YouTube, where you can be able to find of Joe Doring.
[UNKNOWN]: There's not that much.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a couple of matches to up there.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you try and if you listen to this and you never watch Joe Doring and you're trying to figure out what we're talking about, a lot of that is not available as much as it used to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: There's some stuff up there.
[UNKNOWN]: If you go on YouTube and if you go to flash to patreon.com, I wrote a little article.
[UNKNOWN]: about Joe Doring, and I linked to a playlist that had some of the best-freely available Joe Doring matches on YouTube.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's nice, but yeah, a lot of this stuff is kind of lost at time, unfortunately, and I don't, cause all Japan's Archbishop and TV, I've never even, did they even have Archbishop's to that level?
[UNKNOWN]: They do, yeah, I can, let me check it real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, because I feel like I've always only, I only watch like new stuff on there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't recall ever going back into the archives.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it's tricky because with all the ownership changes, they only own certain shit.
[UNKNOWN]: It's right, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's weird because sometimes you'll, I don't know if even English churches, well, I guess we're going to find out right now live.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, let me translate him into Japanese and then search it.
[UNKNOWN]: See if it goes that way.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, sort of a second.
[UNKNOWN]: Japan world, are they launched with the ability to?
[UNKNOWN]: I think, um, search by English names, but it had to be like the weird translated English names.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a kanji in there, hold on.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, here's the Katakana kanji, whatever the fuck it is, people are going to correct it, hold on.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, all right, let me put it in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, it's Katakana, it's my kanji in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Our listeners know it.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to slide their fuck pillow aside and press me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, see.
[UNKNOWN]: Why won't it paste into the box?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, this is a failure.
[UNKNOWN]: I can copy it, it won't let me paste it into the box on the old Japan team.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I'll just have to type it.
[UNKNOWN]: What the heck?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how, but excuse me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, to switch your keyboard to Japanese, the Japanese keyboard, then, don't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when I search it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, if I search his name in the Japanese characters, he comes up on Google, it just won't let me paste it into the AJPW.tv search box.
[UNKNOWN]: Won't let me paste anything.
[UNKNOWN]: So it doesn't look like this is gonna work.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, but we tried.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's some, oh wait, here we go, right here.
[UNKNOWN]: Check, no, wait, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: There's one right here, a triple crown, October 21, 2017, swam a jodoring.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a tail change.
[UNKNOWN]: That's up to, oh, they just put it up, probably, because he passed.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's one right there.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, well, then, how come nothing comes up when you search in English, when it, well, all OK, because the page is the Google Translate of the page.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and they put up one match.
[UNKNOWN]: They put up his title win over Suama from 2017.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be the second title win.
[UNKNOWN]: So that means they've got stuff from that era.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and they're potential archive.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you could figure out how to search the site somehow.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe you could find some more Joe during stuff, but they did put up that match and it's it's best I could tell.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see if it's in full.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe nice that they had a collection up there like a here, you know, click this and here, but I'll just pay a TV's not as great at they're good at finding the show you need like if you want to watch a live show on the day that it comes out It's a good place to find it, but
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, 35 minute upload.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: It's got the VTR video at the start and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, good.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's weird because it they have such weird like, okay, the suggested videos on that there's like a trip a triple crown match with a lot of our Steve Williams that they have up, which definitely is not from the same ownership.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, here we go, Suama and Joe Doring versus Masakatsu, Motherfucking Funaki and Akobono.
[UNKNOWN]: The highest tons of Joe Doring.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so it's just a mess.
[UNKNOWN]: You just have to find a way to search by- Russler.
[UNKNOWN]: There's gotta be like a by-ressler search on there.
[UNKNOWN]: You would think right, but I guess that all Japan TV is weird.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's it's very easy to find what you want to find like on if you're trying to watch a show from like a week ago or this week or show that happened yesterday, whatever, very easy to find it, but yeah, trying to find anything else past that is is always been pretty difficult for me.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no English search works at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's tough.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... let me try an obvious one can't do me a hara in english no contents yeah capture so yeah you know english search works at all so uh... you want to type in japanese somehow because it won't let you paste so that's a big problem yeah that's how you get around it on like do you pan world's right right well yeah switch that keyboard to japanese and then go after it's
[UNKNOWN]: have had it, but yeah, but a lot of he's popping up and a lot of suggested video.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's there's stuff there.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can dig in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all the way back to like, oh, eight and a nine.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Good.
[UNKNOWN]: That's so yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I said, there's there's a bunch on YouTube if you want to watch it, not as much as there probably should be.
[UNKNOWN]: And apparently there's a lot on Alchpan world or Alchpan TV.
[UNKNOWN]: You just got to fucking find it somewhere.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever it is.
[UNKNOWN]: YouTube used to be loaded, but now, as each of these YouTube accounts gets flagged and taken down over time, you just lose shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that playlist came out and I was like, who great, all these Joe Dorg matches and there's like six videos on there.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, oh, shit, like, there was so many more happy Jesus Christ.
[UNKNOWN]: He's probably was 40 and that's like, one of the big issues with, you know, we've long talked about doing a deep dive on Kojima in his algebra and title run.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's been several times where I've got, I've gone through and trying to pick the list and get it all together.
[UNKNOWN]: And every time it's like a week later, I'll go back and half the videos are gone.
[UNKNOWN]: or two of the videos are going through the videos are going but it's just like God dammit.
[UNKNOWN]: It's impotently, unless we just do it on this one day right now and then it's even then, it's like, okay, watch the video guys and it's like, oh, they're all gone because the user name we used has been suspended from YouTube.
[UNKNOWN]: So now that's all, they're all gone.
[UNKNOWN]: And that sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to, I don't like to do content and tell people to try to watch stuff and then it's not available and then it's impossible to find because then we're just talking about magic that nobody can watch, which hasn't seen real.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, there's the Zeus match.
[UNKNOWN]: There's the Kento title change, a match that we spent a lot of time on.
[UNKNOWN]: I think on this show was the New Year's show in 2015 against Go Shilzaki, which was a great I think that's considered his best match of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's one that instantly comes to mind, if it's not as best match, it has to be one of his best matches.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was, yeah, January 3rd, 2015, Go Shilzaki versus Joe Doring.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just remember,
[UNKNOWN]: like that was quite literally with like spit coming out of their mouths as they're hitting each other with laryates and just you want to talk about sweat flying spit flying guys beat each other up to the point of exhaustion I mean that match was fantastic that I think that was in my top 10 matches of the year that year is a matter of fact so that's one that people can try to run down if they if it's available anywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: And really any time he worked at her near the top and ultra pan during those mid to late teen 20 teens, you really can't go wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is a style of wrestling that is slowly being phased out.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no doubt about it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just there's not a lot of people working that style of wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: So even watching it now at 20 26 eyes, it's going to come off a lot different than a lot of the shit seeing around the world.
[UNKNOWN]: So might even enhance it to some degree because of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Trying to see where that one finished in 2015 and our match the year because I remember voting for a pretty highly as well.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's see if I can find that match.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a giant archive ball of art.
[UNKNOWN]: I might not have done that great because all Japan 2015, who's really not exactly a sizzling hot promote.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you had to be pretty.
[UNKNOWN]: But our voter base at that time was probably pretty blocked into it, but let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: Show Doran goes Shiozaki.
[UNKNOWN]: I finished 58, 58.
[UNKNOWN]: 58.
[UNKNOWN]: It's respectable.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's respectable.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right between, smash between, I Dr. Seribro and Seribro and Virus and Ketsur Shibata and Sakuraba, Sakuraba, Sakuraba match.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: 8.72 on Cage match.
[UNKNOWN]: OK. With 10 first plays votes at a 59 votes.
[UNKNOWN]: 10, 10, 10, 10 point votes at a 59 votes.
[UNKNOWN]: at a 59 total votes, 10, 10, 10s and 32 nines.
[UNKNOWN]: It's great match.
[UNKNOWN]: It really is a great match.
[UNKNOWN]: A physical match, and probably is best match, yeah, I would say.
[UNKNOWN]: at least off the top of my head, that swam a match that they've got, uh, let me see if I could find that on Cage match.
[UNKNOWN]: So the other problem is a lot of matches this era didn't get enough votes.
[UNKNOWN]: What low was the date that I said on that?
[UNKNOWN]: That was 28, uh, let me see.
[UNKNOWN]: That would have been,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that was the date on the swam.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, the swam title when I think that was 2018, but let me double check.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but the actual date itself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's see here.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, good for your hair real fast.
[UNKNOWN]: That was, uh, shit, it might not even, uh, no, 2017, right?
[UNKNOWN]: The title win over swam was October 21st, 2017.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I said, it only has one vote, so that it's not a sizzling hot era of the old Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: So the one person who rated it gave it an eight.
[UNKNOWN]: And thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be honest with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember that match.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm watching it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm sure we talked to you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure we reviewed it and talked about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'll watch it now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's right there on older pan TV.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, why not?
[UNKNOWN]: You know front page under battle library.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the battle library.
[UNKNOWN]: Dig in that battle library.
[UNKNOWN]: Clearly, that's why they put it up because of the man passed, you know, and then you've got they do they have a lot of really sneaky.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool uploads.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to dig a lot of our Steve Williams triple crown match from 2000.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I'm a Joe Doreng vs. Funaki and Aquabono from 2013.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not going to get anything from like 1997 or 1991.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not going to get any like that era of all Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: But you're going to get stuff from.
[UNKNOWN]: whenever the bobbas widow sold the company and onward basically from what I could tell from what I'm looking through here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so like 2,000 on is pretty.
[UNKNOWN]: From 2,000 onward is what I see.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see anything from the 19th of from the 20th century.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing from the 20th century
[UNKNOWN]: Every year since 2000 as I scan through this, you know, so the whole mooto era and all of that, right up through today.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 2001, 2000.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm sure somewhere in here, if you could figure out how to navigate the fucking thing, you know, it's probably just probably a ton of jewelry, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: whatever they've bothered uploading at least since this thing is existed last how long it has been around like 10 years it's been a while now yeah it has been a while since I'll spend two of these popped up yeah probably about 10 years I'd say I'm looking at all-time match of the year he appeared three times it looks like under match of the year list uh 2018 uh him versus Zeus and uh January 2nd of 2018 that got uh two votes finished 133 but you know
[UNKNOWN]: That's the show that's to come on motherfuckers show me power Matt.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, shitman higher.
[UNKNOWN]: You retroactively that match would be way higher now.
[UNKNOWN]: 2018 violent giants versus Joe Doring and Dylan James like that.
[UNKNOWN]: That is that air never coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: That's violent giant.
[UNKNOWN]: No versus Joe Doring and Dylan James.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That that that that no match better represents that era that is never coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: Dylan James
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, violent giants were Joe Doring and Dylan James that's finished 177th and then like I said 58th Joe Doring and go she was Acce so that one did that one did pretty well in 2015.
[UNKNOWN]: So I did finish 58th.
[UNKNOWN]: So just a bad ass wrestler Yeah, it's fucking Joe Doring.
[UNKNOWN]: It just rocked.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah
[UNKNOWN]: where that right here uh... uh... uh... dory came to embody the modern standhands in uh... guys in an ultra-pant for us in a nasty loud grunting snarling moustache out badass that would take your fucking head off of the larry hundreds of business zero percent bullshit that was so during he ruled uh... uh... come to the ring spitting in snarling ready to kick some ass
[UNKNOWN]: no no flowers no poisonous flowers oh god no calls underneath the ring then that shit so that's a dead what a week what a weekend of professional wrestling we ended up in a lot so that's why that's why I'm wondering why you're sitting on a night of champions when you end the watch poison flowers and demons underneath the ring people think we're gonna be making this shit up and we're not nope no no that was real all that's really happened so spin the
[UNKNOWN]: You know what, let's let's let TNA you want to you want to get TNA their time in the sun.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure, we could see a DNA.
[UNKNOWN]: DNA, slap it over.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how much longer we're reviewing DNA shows when it's all doing now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a shame we have so much to do because what we could have done and we don't have time for this, we could have slapped play on this Joe Doring vs. Suama match.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just do a live watch along, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Did a live watch, but we don't have 35 minutes to kill on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Nick never beat Mike Santana, Moose B. Daddy, I was like, Brooks, I had to delete.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we got it, we're fine, we're fine.
[UNKNOWN]: That poisoned flowers, broken hearties, brother Neuro, delete, delete, delete, not hearty.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we got it.
[UNKNOWN]: So, there.
[UNKNOWN]: I did slavery.
[UNKNOWN]: We're good.
[UNKNOWN]: But, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, well.
[UNKNOWN]: Slam of Ursary.
[UNKNOWN]: First pay-per-view minus Tom Dream.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, you don't want to make sweeping judgements or anything because, of course, the entire bill to this show and much of this show itself was in fact booked by Tom Dream, maybe even many of the finishes, right, who knows what change didn't change or anything else.
[UNKNOWN]: What I would say as an overview, and they drew just under 3,000 fans to we don't want to disrespect Mr. Reganis.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we found from the northeasterners.
[UNKNOWN]: They were quite upset.
[UNKNOWN]: he's bossed in people.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you would have think you would have thought Jalen Brown got traded on something that we thought Maddie wore.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just about about a gainous, but, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so just under 3000 people and like, you know, look, TNA is in a place now where their paper views are basically going to draw what a mediocre or down AEW TV is going to draw right and then AEW pay per view is going to draw with like with basically what like WWE TV draws like that's kind of like that's the hierarchy right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so just under 3000 I don't know if this is just
[UNKNOWN]: in my head, or if you may be noticed this, maybe when I bring it up, I could be crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like the production was better on this show than it usually is for TNA, and maybe that's just a me thing, maybe I was in a good mood or something, but I'm like, you know, the production seems better.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Tom Dream has nothing to do with that at all, like, you know, so that wouldn't be a factor, but the show didn't come off, maybe it was the building they were in, maybe it was the way it was shot.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but it didn't come off like
[UNKNOWN]: You know how T&A comes out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, very low rent and just disgusting.
[UNKNOWN]: Like their their television is just gross like it is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like yellow and red and it's just like it's just an off-putting.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very off-putting.
[UNKNOWN]: They're television.
[UNKNOWN]: Disgusting promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they weren't that disgusting tonight though for for aren't tonight or whenever when I I watch Remember for you today, so I might say to not An hour ago, so you know, you know lack of work ethic on you by the way I probably finished a 10 minutes before you did because I too Squeezed it in I thought when you went to the discord posted poison flower or whatever Yeah, that was that was about 20 minutes after I watched the poison flowers.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we were on the same wavelength I think all day today
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well of course it was the last one I watched you think I want to watch Yeah, this was the one where I woke up today and when I got damn it All right, yeah, because I'm and I was hoping I would get busy so I didn't have to end I'd be like, oh, I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't watch it But you know what I did I even looked on the run sheet to see if you had the Noah show on there because I was like
[UNKNOWN]: If he's got the Noah show on there, I'm going to watch that and stand there and just tell him I didn't get to tell you that, but you didn't have it on there or something like, I can't get away with that, that scheme by watching the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm glad I watched the show though, because I think it was an interesting take on modern TNA and I actually don't think it was that bad.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't good, like I didn't like the show.
[UNKNOWN]: But considering some of the other shit that I had to watch this week, I didn't think it was that bad.
[UNKNOWN]: There was one match I really, really liked on a couple of perplexing booking decisions that I'm sure we're going to talk about here.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that was going to be my next point.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought the production for whatever reason.
[UNKNOWN]: This show came across more professional than TNA usually does.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't even know that they did anything different.
[UNKNOWN]: And I didn't ask anybody if they did.
[UNKNOWN]: Because again, I just finished watching it 10 minutes ago.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was going to be my next point, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't think the show was bad.
[UNKNOWN]: It was fine.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like...
[UNKNOWN]: replacement level, pro wrestling, and maybe even a tad better than replacement level, pro wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: There was stuff on the show that I didn't like that I thought didn't work at all.
[UNKNOWN]: But there was nothing on this show that is gonna make me come on here and do our usual, let's riff on TNA for a half hour.
[UNKNOWN]: There really wasn't much of anything like that and a couple of the matches were just, you know, straight up fine.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I mean, look, I think putting the title
[UNKNOWN]: because now we know Mike Santana's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: And why don't we just start with all of this then?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Santana, look, you've got to look at this TNA run for him as a big success for him and a pretty good success for TNA too.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was mutually beneficial for both parties.
[UNKNOWN]: He obviously is coming off this TNA run in a much better position than he was coming off of the AEW run.
[UNKNOWN]: So from that standpoint,
[UNKNOWN]: He did the old proverbial betting on himself.
[UNKNOWN]: It worked.
[UNKNOWN]: And now, presumably, he's on his way to WWE.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't seen anything like that reported, but you just get the feel that he's the next Joe Hendry during grace, where he's worked a couple shots there when they were working more closely together.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if he doesn't end up there, he was told months ago that they would be more than happy to have them if, you know, at the end of his deal.
[UNKNOWN]: As well, those deals were TNA just, this is their place in the ecosystem and if they're going to be in bed with WWE.
[UNKNOWN]: WWE is going to come in and pluck Joe Hendry and Jordan Grayson Mike Santana and, you know, whoever else they want to get their hands on and there's nothing TNA can do about it.
[UNKNOWN]: And really, you know, if you're TNA, that's not necessarily always the worst thing either.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that Santana comes out of this in a much better position than he was previously and his little gambit worked He wanted out of a w he was post in our glasses and everything else and he pouted his way out and It worked out to his benefit, you know, and and you know, we'll see now where it goes from here if he does end up in w w I don't think they're ever going to give him a serious push
[UNKNOWN]: But he can't think that way, you know, he's, his head is hitting the pillow, thinking he's main event and wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, everyone does.
[UNKNOWN]: As well as should.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't think that's ever going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he'll just be a guy on the roster who gets the phone call two years from now.
[UNKNOWN]: Just based on my feel for what they're going to see in him.
[UNKNOWN]: But I thought it was good for TNA and listen, we've beaten up and everyone else is beaten up Tommy Dreamer a lot over the last couple of weeks.
[UNKNOWN]: is in the big picture pushing Mike Santana.
[UNKNOWN]: And now he waited too long to put the title on him and we don't need to re-litigate that.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody knows he fucked that up by a month or whatever the gap was between those two shows.
[UNKNOWN]: But in the grand scheme,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the push worked.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a legitimate top guy in this promotion and he was he was hot for a little while by TNA standards.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's one area where if you know you're going to have to, you know, hand it to ISIS.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think Tommy Dreamer made a good decision in pushing the guy when they brought him in.
[UNKNOWN]: So he puts over Nick Nemeth on the way out, Nick Nemeth.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if I'm taking over as a booker, I'm talking a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll hand it to you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm taking over as a booker and my baby face world champion who the promotion has been built around for the last year is leaving.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Nick Nemeth is a pretty good choice to just plant the title on for now and then decide where you're going to go from there.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a really good worker.
[UNKNOWN]: The fans see him as a star.
[UNKNOWN]: He's reliable, he's professional.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a perfectly fine police holder for this top belt.
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm a new booker taking over, and I inherited a paper view that was booked by somebody else, and now it's my turn to put my stamp on things, you can do a lot worse on this roster.
[UNKNOWN]: Then anchoring around Nick Nemeth at the start, especially as a heel, because now you can identify a baby face that you want to chase him and eventually take him down as your Mike Santana, as the person you're going to push now, as the baby face you're going to build a promotion around.
[UNKNOWN]: So, rich crates on all of this Mike Santana title change, Santana out the door or the floor yours.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would say Santana the thing that that he did well, you know, by betting on himself and and I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is the type of thing that it's good to have a TNA in the marketplace.
[UNKNOWN]: And why we were so disappointed when TNA got so much in bed with WWE because I think TNA as a truly independent company of WWE is so important for stuff like this where a guy can bet on themselves and go to this place and get pushed and and for Mike Santana think about this.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike Santana, we don't, we don't say Mike Santana of LAX.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike Santana and of Santana and Ortiz.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody does a fuck about Ortiz anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody talks about Ortiz anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a non-factor and that was Santana's entire goal was to I don't want to just be one-half of Santana and Ortiz anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to be Mike Santana, my own guy, my own thing, my own single's wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: He's done that in a couple of years.
[UNKNOWN]: He has become, I mean, you would never think of this guy as a tag work anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: You now think of him as a single's wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what to do with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you said, I don't think they're going to push them very hard.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's probably going to be in that sort of mid card level.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, fuck, I don't think he's going to go to NXT at imagine he's going to go to the main roster, but who knows I'm not trying to be cynical, but he's got main events written all over the country.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, and that's what he'll be in due time he'll be on main event even goes to the main roster.
[UNKNOWN]: right right right yeah they might just stuff them in NXT for it for all we know but um... yeah it's not going to go great for him and in and over to be i don't think they're going to push him to the moon or whatever but at the very least what he did was was basically say i don't want to be seen as just a tag team wrestler anymore i want to be seen as a singles wrestler and he did he got there and and and the tn is credit
[UNKNOWN]: they pushed them and I think that's one of the things that really always made me enjoy TNA even in the hate day even even in the days when maybe the rest of it wasn't very good but like the the the the the mid 2000s when they would grab a guy from WWE and not an old guy not like sometimes they were grab old guys from WWE and push them too much and that kind of sucked or whatever but when they would grab guys that were like underutilized by WWE like the the the perfect example is always Christian
[UNKNOWN]: they brought Christian in and I pushed him as a world champion and it was really cool because it was like oh this is a guy who a lot of the smarts identified as this is a guy who's a good wrestler that's just not getting a push because for whatever reason now we later knew that if it's a man just thought that I was ugly and not a question because he was too ugly or whatever so he comes into TNA and they push him and they push Christian cage for a number of years as like a tippy tippy top guy and Christian cage bed on himself too.
[UNKNOWN]: Christian cage like Mike Santana was thinking
[UNKNOWN]: If I stay here, I'm just like the lesser of me in edge.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we're broken up and he's the guy that's ascended into the main event.
[UNKNOWN]: See, and I'm just this icy champion level guy that they don't see.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need certain levels.
[UNKNOWN]: See, no one fucked this.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm leaving, and I'm going to bet on myself.
[UNKNOWN]: And he does.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes to TNA.
[UNKNOWN]: They push him as a tippy top star, which was, they're, well, should've done it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it definitely worked out quite well for TNA.
[UNKNOWN]: After Christian Cage, and then he became an admirable, and then done rebroadem back.
[UNKNOWN]: And then bring him back as an icy champion.
[UNKNOWN]: They brought him back as a world champion.
[UNKNOWN]: So he bet on himself, and he won.
[UNKNOWN]: And Mike Santana did that to an extent again.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's not going to do to me to become champion.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not going to push him as a wall champion or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not quite a one to one with Christian Cage, but I always think TNA when they do that, when they bring a guy that everybody kind of identifies as having a lot of potential, and they bring him in and they push him really high, and they push a lot, and there's a guy that debuted on the show that I would like to see them do that with.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, will they or won't they, I don't know will see, but like, ooh, our nation would be really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a guy to say, hey, look, you know, that company didn't know what they had in this guy, but we're going to push him and do something with him.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a lot different than bringing in fucking Valviness and pushing him a bunch.
[UNKNOWN]: Or bringing in a Requisci for the one show, having to disappear, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that should nobody wanted to see.
[UNKNOWN]: But people, the younger and hungry wrestlers that are betting on themselves, that's always been worth DNA.
[UNKNOWN]: It could really fit in and do well.
[UNKNOWN]: So, the Santana Rums was really good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was a lot of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it got a little
[UNKNOWN]: Santana went from a guy that was underrated to overrated to probably underrated now again because there was a while there were people pretending that he was like this breakout star and I was like, okay, he's not quite.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's let's really in a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Now they should have put the title on him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, he did get pretty hot and his peak by TNA standards.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, that's where Tommy dreamer blew it because he waited too long.
[UNKNOWN]: And we don't know like we talked about when
[UNKNOWN]: If Dreamer would have timed that properly and done the title change when he should have, at Slam of Versailles last year, maybe he even gets hotter from there because, or who knows.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, my gut tells me, no.
[UNKNOWN]: My gut tells me that would have been the peak of Mike Santana either way, because the follow-up, there's just not a lot of other star power on the roster.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't trust Tommy Dreamer's booking in any way, shape or form.
[UNKNOWN]: Tommy Dreamer,
[UNKNOWN]: blew the television roll out, all of those other factors, right?
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, he, he, he, about a year ago when Santana was peaking, it looked like TNA might have been on the something, if handled properly and all the stars aligned in all of that, but now we'll never know.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, and that's why I always think we stress this a lot in this show like there's always this idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, they'll be oh, he's not ready yet, but they'll be next time.
[UNKNOWN]: But next time next time next time there might not be a next time you got a pounds you never know what you're going to get when you pounce at the time and and sometimes they don't always work sometimes you pounce and you're too early, but a lot of times it we all know like a lot of it.
[UNKNOWN]: If you've watched wrestling for a number of years, you kind of know when someone's ready like the classic example that we always bring up is Tyler Black in ring of honor like he was everybody was everybody was ready for the Tyler Black ring of honor rain.
[UNKNOWN]: and they waited like a year to late and it just didn't matter at that point and it's just he was just gone and just left and it was like okay we don't know what he was ever going to be in ring of honor because he had this ascension and we got to the point where I was like okay everybody knows that he's ready now and then they didn't pull it off and that's why there's a lot of guys in today's wrestling that I think get pretty close to that point and then bookers are just so scared to take that leap with them and it's like oh there'll be another chance and it's like
[UNKNOWN]: We don't really know that there will be another chance.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you can't say that, and with Mike Santana, like sure he did win the title, but they missed the peak.
[UNKNOWN]: They absolutely missed the peak with him, and God only knows what could have happened if they hit the peak with him.
[UNKNOWN]: But, I mean, yeah, I think this could have gone better for him.
[UNKNOWN]: you know regardless of them missing the peak or whatever him betting on himself breaking free of Ortiz becoming a singles wrestler TNA getting as much as they could possibly get out of this guy like it it doesn't get much better than what what this entire run was and and now he goes to WWE to like you said probably beyond man event rate and him and Ray Phoenix can rest on event every week or whatever
[UNKNOWN]: But listen, he might make, he's probably going to make more money.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there a man's life?
[UNKNOWN]: No, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: If he signs there, I mean, I don't know what he was getting paid in a W, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: And obviously, he came in there as part of Jericho's group and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that was not Trump change, but this will potentially be, you know, the end of course, the upside is.
[UNKNOWN]: is, you know, sky's the limit where you can make there if you actually do get over.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I don't know, he leaves here in much better position than he entered.
[UNKNOWN]: And now he moves on and I presume that's where he's headed.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we'll see how it goes from him.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't have a ton of confidence.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gonna, I think this will end up ultimately being the biggest push of his career.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I don't think he's going to be pushing the World Champion anywhere else.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's what we are.
[UNKNOWN]: So now, you know, we got he'll nicknames at this champion.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought the match was pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they did the story where the Mike Sands ten a blood loss wore him down at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: He just he he lost too much blood and nicknames hitting him with the trophy.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, first it was his brother getting involved in the referee throwing the brother out, which opened the door for Nemeth to hit him in the head with the trophy and then he busted
[UNKNOWN]: They did a, you know, the hot closing stretch with all the near falls and everything and Nemeth couldn't put them away and we had a one count kick out and Nemeth getting frustrated, but eventually the story that Facebook Phillips was trying to put over was that Santana just
[UNKNOWN]: the loss of blood was too much and eventually he couldn't overcome that and I was at he got hit by the danger zone you get it dc to get it to the danger zone got it but yeah it was just it was clean it was clean at the end I mean that there obviously was the trophy shot and stuff but it was it was a pretty clean victory at the end but I think it's fine like you didn't you didn't have to protect Mike Santana on the way out it was like Nick got I mean yeah I did
[UNKNOWN]: Good on the way out.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't look like he was in just like he only lost because he lost too much blood and ran out of energy like The other side.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's protected to some extent from that standpoint because the idea was if Nemeth didn't hit him with that trophy and bust him open and if it didn't bleed out he probably wouldn't have lost
[UNKNOWN]: So it wasn't like Nemeth pulled brass and ducks out of his tights and punched him in the face and then pinned them immediately, but to the same, but he was still protected to some extent, you know, by the story they told.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I thought it was the isn't enough match there for the main event.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, Nick Nemeth gets the win and we don't know who the next.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, actually I think we do know the next challenger.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like TV challenger.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we'll know the next paperview challenger Whatever, but you do an angle that I missed at the end of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's I forget who's getting the next title shot someone crummy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's but it's it doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like
[UNKNOWN]: That's not what it's going to be.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, it's not like that.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't set it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to think it was it's just airing today.
[UNKNOWN]: Tanny.
[UNKNOWN]: It was some dumb like it died for you.
[UNKNOWN]: It was something we were like really that's the first guy that gets the title shot or whatever and it was it was it was poorly booked because it's like a guy that lost or something like that, but it's it's just quite you know if you're thinking that everything's going to be on the up and up post timey dreamer it might not be
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Hunter Johnston would really like you to know that he had nothing to do with the Christmas.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course not.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you notice that this week?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Hunter Johnston really would really like everyone to know that he was not in fact involved in the creative.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was reached out to many new sites to make sure that they knew that, to let them know, to separate himself from Tom Dream's creative, which I thought was very funny.
[UNKNOWN]: But yet at the end of the show, when those credits pop up,
[UNKNOWN]: He's still top producer with that with the new guy that you named what the hell's that guy's name?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I don't even remember.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, some Jimmy Jimson or something for those.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't see the Vara was that there was the the championship defense.
[UNKNOWN]: OK. Or that's the upcoming today.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess he faced Ryan Nemeth as a warm-up to get ready for the.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, okay, so he's got to go through Ryan.
[UNKNOWN]: You guy, I'm Brian Lee, and then he can maybe get his shot at Nick, but you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: He, Nick's a good, like, gatekeeper right now until you identify that next baby face.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think you actually have it on the show, and we'll, we'll, we'll talk about it when we, uh, it's not Casey Navarro.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, let you know it's not it's also not leans later Ricky Solcer any of those guys, but I did you watch I did not watch count down to slam a version.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you watch count down to slam a versery?
[UNKNOWN]: Are you out of your goddamn mind?
[UNKNOWN]: Of course I didn't watch count down to slam a versery.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would I watch that?
[UNKNOWN]: So you didn't see a lane of black indie heartwell in Marisa Day I'd nor did you watch Ricky Solcer defeat the imparting era young as well.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: No, and I don't know what's up with Eric Young.
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about this all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: No where does he come across as a bigger star than he does in TNA?
[UNKNOWN]: When he goes anywhere else, he doesn't come across as a star at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he was a big Tommy Dreamer guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I really don't know the story there as to why he wanted out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he's going to Dota V. He asked for his release.
[UNKNOWN]: He said on Twitter quote, the internet is effin wild.
[UNKNOWN]: Three things I know about the news today.
[UNKNOWN]: One, I asked my release.
[UNKNOWN]: They granted it.
[UNKNOWN]: Two, I was never on a handshake deal.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a binding contract the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: And number three, I will work where I want how I want for whom I want my track record resume accolades and reputation or proof of that.
[UNKNOWN]: See you soon.
[UNKNOWN]: And apparently he's going to go to
[UNKNOWN]: and NXT he'll be like well then that makes sense then he wants to be a player coach that he maybe he'll have health insurance and benefits and a 401k and everything else with that position so now that makes sense why he would want out so Eric Young moves on and he like you said the Sean Spears position which will presumably work out well for him
[UNKNOWN]: And as far as, look, maybe the new booker, whose name I still can't find.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe the new booker will do something with Sosa.
[UNKNOWN]: which Dreamer didn't seem to want to.
[UNKNOWN]: Dreamer did nothing of real consequence with Leon Slater after he felt hot when he first came in.
[UNKNOWN]: Now they're just waiting out the clock for Leon Slater to leave and really got almost nothing out of him.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope the same doesn't happen with Sosa.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe new regime, new set of eyes will understand that, hey, when we get these.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, hot indie talents that come in that people really want to get behind that we should give it a fair shake and and just fucking push them before they end up, this is exactly how we saw the Leon Slater thing playing out.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not going to stay there forever.
[UNKNOWN]: We just thought his eventual destination would be WWE and now it might end up being AEW.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see, but the point is he was going to end up in one of those two places.
[UNKNOWN]: But how long has he been there now?
[UNKNOWN]: Can we check that?
[UNKNOWN]: How long has Leon Slater been with TNF?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh geez.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when he officially signed there, but it's been, yeah, they've had, they've had plenty of time to tell the actual story with Leon Slater and they've just, it's one of these classic things that happened in wrestling companies now, guys signed and it's like, oh, well, they're going to leave and it's, well, who cares?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you've had the guy for a year fucking do something with them.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been working there regularly since early 2024.
[UNKNOWN]: So they had him for most of 2024, all of 2025, and now half of 2022.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he signed a contract in October of 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: He signed a contract with the company.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, so there you got a pre-cut, probably a three-year deal.
[UNKNOWN]: He's probably done in October, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Or somewhere around there.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's probably a three-year deal that's up in three months.
[UNKNOWN]: And they peaked them at the exhibition title.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was definitely someone who had a lot of buzz at one point there last year.
[UNKNOWN]: And it doesn't make any sense and now he's going to be gone in three months and now it really is too late to do any.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now it is not now it's too late, but the last year and a half wasn't too late.
[UNKNOWN]: right they they had a lot of time to do something with him and turn him into the next great TNA success story you know and they chose not to do it and that's on Tommy Dreamer he was in charge during that time of you know so um now this new regime whoever's uh not hunter hunter Johnson wants you to know it's not him so not hunter Johnson Eric Tomkins Eric Tomkins
[UNKNOWN]: Philosophy, more of our philosophy, if we had the pencil, higher-rich and I to book T&A.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't want to book T&A.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to book T&A?
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's a fun challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what, me, I give you T&A, give you T&A, give you T&A book.
[UNKNOWN]: You know why I wouldn't want to book T&A because as we discussed a couple of weeks ago, it is a no-win proposition.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you can be successful this job.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, probably not.
[UNKNOWN]: I really don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you can be successful at this job.
[UNKNOWN]: There's just too much work in against you.
[UNKNOWN]: And what really is the ceiling?
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like what?
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not look and when we know the road dogs coming, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're still talking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess they're still working the deal out, which is like what?
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: It's not quite hard, but they're like, you know, I got a lot of offers out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, no, you don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I don't know who Eric Tompkin is.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know the first thing about Eric Tompkins in the first time I heard Eric Tompkins name was last week When you said it, but I am more willing to give someone like that a shot who's never done this before and might actually be good at it That another retread who we know stinks.
[UNKNOWN]: We know that road dog is not good at this We know he's not good at it.
[UNKNOWN]: We know that he's not good at any stench in about it
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And we know that he has publicly said wins and losses don't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want someone booking my wrestling company that truly believes that wins and losses don't matter because that guy just doesn't get it because he doesn't what he doesn't understand and what he's not going to understand, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that maybe in WWE when the machine is already rolling to some extent wins and losses don't matter because it's all because there, you know, it's
[UNKNOWN]: it's already, but when you're trying to build people and build stars, wins and losses matter a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't want someone coming into my company with that philosophy, when our biggest problem is we don't have any stars.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this guy thinks he's just gonna, if he thinks he's gonna moonwalk in here until WWE style stories and get people over, that's not gonna work.
[UNKNOWN]: How many years of that not working in these kinds of companies do we have to see before we realize that that doesn't work?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you got to get meat potatoes, basic, pro wrestling ways of getting people over and make some stars before you can start, you know, fucking around and doing shit like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, but look, I don't know what he's saying in these job interviews.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he's saying exactly what I'm saying is they look, I know it has to be a different flip, but do you buy that?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he's going in there
[UNKNOWN]: It's they're impressed that he worked in WDU in that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, they're impressed that he booked SmackDown.
[UNKNOWN]: I booked SmackDown for a year and a half.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's enough to, yeah, get him hired.
[UNKNOWN]: It's that Eric Bischoff shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, they need to hire Road Dog.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got the experience.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that's all that this is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: It's stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would anyone listen to Eric Bischoff on anything?
[UNKNOWN]: Anything.
[UNKNOWN]: He told Tony Khan the higher book bully Ray.
[UNKNOWN]: Did he really do it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Booker story of LaGreca stories yes, you know what yeah, it's he's so right because they W got it just if they just had some stories on their show they just stopped being Tony Conjury matches and they had some fucking stories got it would be a much better show but unfortunately
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a tell North stories even though they're constantly telling stories too much of their detriment And I wish things with everybody who watched the show agrees that they tell too many stories And if you dice it, they had more matches and everybody that doesn't watch the show thinks that they tell no stories and that's like we say it's like we always say
[UNKNOWN]: Where are all these dream matches happening?
[UNKNOWN]: Let's just show me point me in that direction of that show because I want to watch that show He's still on or something because I wear the dream Where is the nothing but dream matches thing happening because I would enjoy yeah I would love to watch the show that these guys say that where there's no promos There's no stories and it's just guys wrestling Just dream matches Yeah Where's point in that direction, please one five star match after another what what show is that I don't know what show that love that it be a nice little diversion
[UNKNOWN]: What the hell were we talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so that was that was nice that they did that and then we opened up with a ultimate x match x division title Center cows and it gets the win in the lay I hate.
[UNKNOWN]: I Watch this and honestly said, oh fuck off when that happened because they've done this finish a bunch and I hate it And it's stupid and it's all these dumb wrestling things that we shouldn't accept and company shouldn't accept and if this thing if people still cared about wrestling
[UNKNOWN]: And these companies cared about the wrestling, like, this finished what happened, and then like the leader of the championship committee would come out and be like, nah, it's not gonna happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Like JJ dealing would come out or some fucking crusty NWA president would come out and be like, nah, Bob Geigo would come out and be like, nah, it's not our win this title.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause Liancillator has the belt.
[UNKNOWN]: So amazing red and Liancillator on top of the X, they take the title down, but they're both holding it.
[UNKNOWN]: while perched on top of the X.
[UNKNOWN]: So the Leons later starts to kind of fall down, and it may as a red starts to fall down, and then they both drop the title and set her to Alexander grabs it.
[UNKNOWN]: And since he's holding the title, and he's on the mat, he is the winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fuck off.
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck you.
[UNKNOWN]: Makes me feel like you're wasting your time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then you know, Facebook Phillips and drama King Maddo.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the rules.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you have to hold the title and touch the mat.
[UNKNOWN]: So he did, technically, win and I'm like, fuck off, fuck you.
[UNKNOWN]: But, but Stanley Blackburn did come down and make a rule.
[UNKNOWN]: And strip head of your calendar.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's what I want.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to go weird old guy at a suit to come down.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a side of your Alexander.
[UNKNOWN]: That is not how the title's going to change.
[UNKNOWN]: And here tonight while the crowd goes, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And they would always, yeah, the title is now held up.
[UNKNOWN]: Name hold up the title.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: I went this title up.
[UNKNOWN]: This is ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: We can't accept this.
[UNKNOWN]: The company cannot, this is not the nature of the rule.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a poor interpretation of the nature of the rule and I, for one, cannot stand it.
[UNKNOWN]: There was nothing, it was kind of a nothing match.
[UNKNOWN]: No, nothing happened.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there was a very ex-division team.
[UNKNOWN]: Our ultimate ex-smatch, you know, not much happened.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, you're bringing a Fabian Ackner, I say, push the man, give him some kind of push.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying you got to look if he gets over, you keep on pushing him and you push him even harder.
[UNKNOWN]: But, you know, give it an honest go.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's too late with Leon slater.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, but it's,
[UNKNOWN]: the point of this, I feel like though, which just so they could announce amazing red going into the DNA Hall of Fame.
[UNKNOWN]: Correct.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because after the match, amazing reds in the ring and Frankie Cazarian says, ah, you've met more to the DNA than anybody ever, whatever, and here you go, and nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Has he met more to DNA?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: There was no.
[UNKNOWN]: There were that too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there was a drama king Matt said, there's no one more deserving of the DNA Hall of Fame.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that's no one more deserving I don't know about this no like I have no problem with the amazing red in this thing pioneer of of the exhibition.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah I mean I mean I know he's already in but like he's probably I sure there's no one for deserving an amazing red.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's it let's see let's he's in the TNA Hall of Fame let's see Eric Youngen it because he's more deserving.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah let's see okay because we got a we got a figure out who
[UNKNOWN]: T3 team member the team.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he did a great segment about that because that's when they had The bound for glory and fucking cork and holler would ever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he did it in Japan with Russell one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they did this They did a a Hall of Fame, but there's clearly nobody there no one there So they had like Mike today, but I can't add like a podium or whatever No, you forgot the best part about it
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think you're going there.
[UNKNOWN]: The best part about it was bully shot his own angle.
[UNKNOWN]: He used it to burn a bullet club shirt because he wanted to get bullet club shirts.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that is like the peak of the bullet club at that time too.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like really.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like 2013.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And this fucking idiot.
[UNKNOWN]: 2014, 2014.
[UNKNOWN]: He thought he was going to, he, first of all, if our TNA or wrestle one, I'd be fucking living.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but he used the silly little Hall of Fame banquet that they had, nobody was at, except for Dixie Carter or whatever, in, in Japan, and then they lit a bullet club t-shirt on fire and tried to shoot their own angle, which, of course, knew Japan completely no soul.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: They just completely no sold it.
[UNKNOWN]: Didn't acknowledge it.
[UNKNOWN]: No one even like like Finn, nothing about Prince Defittal.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't bother.
[UNKNOWN]: No one cut a back-handed promo.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing, nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: That they just completely ignored it.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's bully.
[UNKNOWN]: Bullie thought he could shoot his own angle because he was in Japan and get and weasel his way into a new Japan job.
[UNKNOWN]: on TNA's dime that's how much he respect he respected the place he was working and the Hall of Fame they were putting him into he shot his own angle trying to get booked in New Japan that that is the person bish off wants Tony Khan the hired a book his company who by the way just tried to shoot his own angle last week when he said he could beat up John Moxley and he got no sold again but this guy's a brain change he has tried to rest
[UNKNOWN]: Does anyone shoot more angles on their own and then not and then it doesn't go anywhere then this guy no one ever cares They all in nothing to do with them, but he's constantly trying to shoot his own angles Well, here's what I'm going to do I'm going to say That I can peel up mocks and I know Get you enough gonna like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for cracker.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not gonna like it and then you're gonna book me
[UNKNOWN]: to come to all in the Wembley and everyone's gonna think it's just you.
[UNKNOWN]: Heat, that's heat, that's gonna be a cracker, that's gonna think it's a shoot.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it boy, that's great, he boy.
[UNKNOWN]: Not your right bully, that's, you know, Tony, we don't have that kind of heat and wrestling anymore, Bowley.
[UNKNOWN]: You're right, Bowley.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony, he doesn't think outside the box, like you, Bowley, yeah, that, you know, I can hear the conversation right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So bad, you know, he swore that was gonna get him booked against my ox.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well.
[UNKNOWN]: He's calling up Gary, bitch, I get you, he says it ain't fast.
[UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be ACEs in ACEs in ACEs.
[UNKNOWN]: Versus.
[UNKNOWN]: The death riders, Wimbley, Pete, you watch, point in his temple.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the care bitch, that's the first call.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the call.
[UNKNOWN]: Was brisco won't answer the call.
[UNKNOWN]: The master of the figure four is an answer in the call.
[UNKNOWN]: Garret, Garret, bitch, y'all fans.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Garret's got time.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got nothing going on.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: you know, he takes a deep breath first, he's like, I'm back here now has like a wife and kids or whatever, but he still think he just had a kid because Aaron just talked about okay, but you know he's still got that best in a closet.
[UNKNOWN]: You know every a couple times a year, he'll open that closet and he sees that ACEs and AIDS best and he's like,
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still soldier.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm still an ace in a soldier deep down.
[UNKNOWN]: I can do this his his phone lights up.
[UNKNOWN]: It has a Mark L. He takes a deep breath It's time Man, what's he?
[UNKNOWN]: What's he gonna?
[UNKNOWN]: It's pitch this time?
[UNKNOWN]: Any any humor is let me pick up.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, what's up, boy?
[UNKNOWN]: He's gonna, he has to listen.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You know I pitched this to Dave Lucreca, I watched you listen, and I just think that's how he operates.
[UNKNOWN]: He thinks he's getting an ace as an ace for his death rioters fucking death store match at all in.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what he thinks.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so late for that call.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, who's answering that call?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm trying to find the answer Devon's for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I didn't even think yeah, he didn't even have to call David.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So bully Devon for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Because what are we going to do?
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to make what we have five on five here.
[UNKNOWN]: Aces and aates versus deathwriters Gary Good care bitch.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's a bully.
[UNKNOWN]: Teeth on gear fish off nucks Broken Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, Brooks going to shop it up with a sheffier.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: So a broken cup of the ring with them.
[UNKNOWN]: So we need to, we need one more Tito, we're bringing Tito Ortiz in.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't in, was he Ace?
[UNKNOWN]: Now, yeah, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he wants to be bothered.
[UNKNOWN]: No, probably not.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, who's the less,
[UNKNOWN]: because gallows, I think gallows would turn that down.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Doc would be like, no, I'm doing that shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Sun Tan, Biker Man, can read the room.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He wants to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to kick the tires on West Briscoe.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you have to, because it gets light.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to think who was Mr. Can I guess, Mr. Anderson?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, Ken Kennedy will probably pick up that call.
[UNKNOWN]: He, yeah, I mean, you know, he'll pay absolutely one more run, one more run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run, run
[UNKNOWN]: close that box up again, but yeah, it can probably has it in a closet that he opens up every day and looks at he's ready to go, so there it is, okay, so it's nucks
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember who's all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: And Anderson, you know, when his phone lights up, he's praying that it either says Mark L. We're Billy C. One of the other.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just, and it never does, unfortunately.
[UNKNOWN]: At least, I see it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, little ringtone for that one tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh god.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So, uh, oh, today Hall of Fame.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's discover if amazing Red is the most deserving man in the 10, uh, left to put in.
[UNKNOWN]: Sting is in the TNA Hall of Fame, Kurt Angle, Jeff Jarrett, Earl Habner, Gail Kim, Abyss, Ken Shamrock, Awesome Kong, Raven, Tracy Brooks, Rhino, Bob Rider, Mickey James, ODB, Amazing Red and Conan are both going in.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'd put him in before amazing red Christian Cage that put him before amazing red What he except it now now Never he had two bookings available to you.
[UNKNOWN]: He did the one it was like because they did the exchange for like Rick Flair to show up at some shit or whatever Yeah, he didn't want to show up to that one, but he did go back when Tony Consentum That's she'll go back show he did.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he definitely didn't want to go back that when WWE broke her dead deal.
[UNKNOWN]: That he was, did not want to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: He did the one appearance and then both TNA and Christian decided it was probably best that he'd not do his second appearance.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you imagine his, his attitude that could have been both a good.
[UNKNOWN]: For TNA to say, you know what, I know we could actually got a second date on you, but you know what, I think we're good on that.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll just, we'll just
[UNKNOWN]: I would say Christian is probably more deserving, but he's not showing up, um, you want to, you want to.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why we're shitting on amazing red though, like, guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: That was great.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Traumicking.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Traumicking.
[UNKNOWN]: There's another one earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: There's another one later in the night that he says that I was like, oh, stop.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: But we'll get there.
[UNKNOWN]: Elijah defeated AJ Francis with expressions.
[UNKNOWN]: What's with the 1950s storyline of AJ Francis owns the rights to his songwriting credits or whatever?
[UNKNOWN]: It's such a weird storyline, right?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I own the rights to his to your songwriting credits.
[UNKNOWN]: And the match was for the rights of his songwriting credits back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: It was because AJ Francis somehow, with his partner expressions, the dirty business man expressions, secured the rights to all of Elijah's big hits all of this.
[UNKNOWN]: for Elijah to get the right back.
[UNKNOWN]: They had to, he had to win them back in this match.
[UNKNOWN]: They had to professionally wrestle in Elijah one and then Elijah got a guitar out of a box and then lifted above his head and never went, whoa.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, so he owns all of his songs again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: AJ Francis will no longer be profiting all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: All of Elijah's music.
[UNKNOWN]: All of Elijah's big hits, so silly little storyline, silly little match, it's whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: demon and bunny, Elliot Rosemary defeat the elegance brand, to win the TNA knockouts world tag team titles in a horrible match, you know, this match sucked, but at least it wasn't supernatural or anything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, if I have one positive thing to say, I thought this would take place and like the undead realm and be like a pretentious.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the match where you thought somebody would send somebody underneath the ring and to demon with a hunt somebody.
[UNKNOWN]: But now that they just wrestled.
[UNKNOWN]: They professionally wrestled in one.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It was bad.
[UNKNOWN]: It was good.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it sucked out.
[UNKNOWN]: It was still.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And never forget, Ali is actually dead.
[UNKNOWN]: She was murdered in TNA.
[UNKNOWN]: And they actually acknowledged that she was murdered when she came back to TNA.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not like they're even retconning that.
[UNKNOWN]: She's dead.
[UNKNOWN]: She's literally like literally dead.
[UNKNOWN]: But now she's one half of the women's tag team champions.
[UNKNOWN]: Demon and bunny.
[UNKNOWN]: TNA International title three way match now this became a three way because for some fucking Read well, then we know why like in in in real booking reason why this was but in cavefade Can you even a try to explain what happened your Santino is backstage and we had another great Edition of Santino and a fucking Daria whatever the fuck Sua What's your name in what's your actual name in TNA?
[UNKNOWN]: Is she just Daria?
[UNKNOWN]: No, Daria.
[UNKNOWN]: No, um, the fuck's her name?
[UNKNOWN]: Care, the suat.
[UNKNOWN]: The suat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: FKA, Sonya DeVille.
[UNKNOWN]: Shut up, I'm talking.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a suat.
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually suat.
[UNKNOWN]: Shut up, I'm talking like, but it looks like suat.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't be a big seller that you can't imagine this though.
[UNKNOWN]: No one even can get the letter straight like, you know, over under
[UNKNOWN]: 50.5 t-shirt sold under way under you think under fifth.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's definitely some perverts that bought it just because TNA perverts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like like not literally literal women's wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, yes, yeah I'm a world literal women's wrestling perverts that that bought the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you'll wrestling fan.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes Like I don't Instagram like yeah, you look beautiful
[UNKNOWN]: So hot pop in the logo on the t-shirt like like like they just won the an IT tournament pop in the jersey Yes, absolutely there are people you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it might be over 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd love to rub your legs It's like oh god.
[UNKNOWN]: You ever seen these comments are so creepy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Who are these people among us like yeah?
[UNKNOWN]: I know They think about that like these people might have like families and daughters and stuff and it's like
[UNKNOWN]: Daria, you look beautiful.
[UNKNOWN]: What love to take you out?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I don't think she's going to respond to that, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: But given some guy in Bangalore, they're bank accountant for me, they can take it to her bank.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the one thing guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of sad when you think about that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, we have a lot of people in our, a lot of fake, Diva's accounts, join our, our discord.
[UNKNOWN]: We had a fake Eoski, a fake live morgue in the other day.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the you guys said hi.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm the genius of the skies.
[UNKNOWN]: Can I come in?
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, yeah, I mean, she had a ring.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course.
[UNKNOWN]: I sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't wait genius of the sky's is here, you know, I'm doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if she's like, oh, hey, welcome, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's why I got a DM saying she was stranded at the airport in the $300 gift card to get home.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Got it.
[UNKNOWN]: She needs an American Express gift card to get home.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, to get on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, stranded.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi.
[UNKNOWN]: I am the Jesus of the sky.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello.
[UNKNOWN]: I just got to get home.
[UNKNOWN]: Need this very specific gift card to get home.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to take the bus now.
[UNKNOWN]: The only way they will let me buy a bus ticket is through a gift card.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Amazon gift card.
[UNKNOWN]: So for $300 American dollars, please send me the serial number.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to choose this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you got a queen of the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: No problem queen of the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, so they're like backstage in St. Tinos, like taking a call and then he's just standing there.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Suez just comes in and it just starts and just being an asshole, though, for no reason.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's just like, you don't know what to hell you're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: And so this next match is going to be a triple threat match.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, oh, triple threat match.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it sounds good to be.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, what does happen?
[UNKNOWN]: What is this?
[UNKNOWN]: What, why did we need, what, who gives a fuck about St. Tino and Darious?
[UNKNOWN]: Sweet, sweet time they appeared on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: for to make a haphazard three-way match out of nowhere because how much do you think how much you think they pay sent you know, per year, oh God, $2,000,000, oh I think more than that I think $300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
[UNKNOWN]: all of that money by just having philips and drama king Matt say we're getting word from the t and a championship committee that this is now a three-way blackburn is made this a why are you employing these people they're not drawing a single dollar your promotion no one cares who's who's turning on AMC on Thursday with that bowl of popcorn that you talk about and say geez I can't wait to see what's in you know it's too hot do this week
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, there's just no point in following this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you gotta have general managers.
[UNKNOWN]: And you have to have to have two drivers.
[UNKNOWN]: And what has to be a bad face in West big deal.
[UNKNOWN]: How do you struggle?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Gotta have the power struggle.
[UNKNOWN]: because you've got to tell stories.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, the story here was like, said, you know, being like, I have a special person for this match and her being like, I have special person too.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're gonna make it a three way match.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: So ended up being, Mustafa Ali defending the international title against Rich Swan and Ula Nation, the debuting Ula Nation, FK Apollo Crews is in TNN.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a good signing for them and a good place for him as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Rich swan and you on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like I was an e-bore city Florida.
[UNKNOWN]: I know they wanted to say it.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I whoever made the notes for Facebook Phillips was like, he's better if extensive history in Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, come on, say it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, say it.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on in here.
[UNKNOWN]: I say drag it, give us some drag it, but they didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No e-bore city Florida references.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately, because that's immediately what I thought of.
[UNKNOWN]: My god.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a vault, it's a vault time, a vault wall for match.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, match was pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought they could put the title on them right away, they didn't do that, kept it on.
[UNKNOWN]: Mustafa Ali and yeah you on nation can you believe that he was part of WWE system for like 12 years something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I know it's insane how time flies and they just how did he evade being released for like over a decade when they did nothing with him except for that one six month period where he was like the Nigerian king.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they had the two things.
[UNKNOWN]: They had the Nigerian king with a random, when Vince woke up one day and was like, god damn, he's got to be a Nigerian king and they made him wear King gear.
[UNKNOWN]: And then there was the two months where he did the eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember?
[UNKNOWN]: like something would happen and they was zooming on his eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, in NXT.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, with the eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and in the main roster, he was the Nigerian king and his heavy was a Bob Bopatoon day, was his heavy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, right, Bob, it's an old W superstar.
[UNKNOWN]: But he might have had a different name on end of main roster as the Nigerian, like he was like the,
[UNKNOWN]: military bodyguard gimmick for for yeah, I don't think it was about what the fuck was yeah, I forget I know exactly yeah, but he didn't call him Bob a two-day He now of course Bob a thunder.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Bob a thunder.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah He has a better MLW for like he came he he won that one match You know, I don't I don't I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: He's come down right now and that's about it And that's the end of Bob a thunder, but he wrestles for that Polish promotion
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Commander Aziz, Commander Aziz.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: What a weird.
[UNKNOWN]: So in 12 years, that's all they had for him.
[UNKNOWN]: A six month run is a guy doing a fake Nigerian accent, but yet still called Apollo Crews, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Why didn't they give it up his name?
[UNKNOWN]: Like they did for Commander Aziz.
[UNKNOWN]: Aziz even a Nigerian name.
[UNKNOWN]: I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was probably in the mind of Nigeria.
[UNKNOWN]: I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was from the mind of
[UNKNOWN]: I'm.
[UNKNOWN]: They should have made him who had nation again, if he was going to be, they should have gimmicked up his image, he was still up all over the cruise, like the all-american name that he came in with.
[UNKNOWN]: He was very strange, but he had the spear, it was very Vince McMahon.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like basically updated Saba Symba, yes, that's exactly what it was, there was this.
[UNKNOWN]: God damn it.
[UNKNOWN]: Where's the thing?
[UNKNOWN]: What we wanted to type her was so impact, do you remember Saba Symba's TV debut?
[UNKNOWN]: You call him Tony Atlas all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's a conglomerate.
[UNKNOWN]: That is Tony Atlas Vince McMahon.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Tony Atlas, that's Tony Atlas, that's Tony Atlas.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Tony Atlas.
[UNKNOWN]: They're viewing Saba Simba.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Tony Atlas.
[UNKNOWN]: He's breathable every year.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, man, that's Tony Atlas.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been dumping down the roads with Tony Atlas.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he wouldn't even, he wouldn't even, he would sell a team champion.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I remember that's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: It's from the Serengeti.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, he's one of the serenades.
[UNKNOWN]: No, your man is from the jungles of the deepest Africa.
[UNKNOWN]: The paper was like, no, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he didn't, he
[UNKNOWN]: because you ain't getting, you're not getting a, Paul's not gonna wake up one day and just say, God damn it, a Paul Cruz has to be a Nigerian king now.
[UNKNOWN]: And this guy commander is he's, let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, all right, whatever, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it, it's not good, neither one is good, but one of them is boring, and one of them is unpredictable.
[UNKNOWN]: And I will take the unpredictable.
[UNKNOWN]: There it come, but yeah, God damn it.
[UNKNOWN]: You can do well here, I mean, if they look new booker, I'll know how they're gonna handle anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, he's not a young guy, but though he talk about this all the time, it's not about age anymore, it's about exposure.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was in WWE for over a decade and is just still feels totally unsposed.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not like you're bringing in a guy who suffers from overexposure.
[UNKNOWN]: So you could do something with him.
[UNKNOWN]: And he looked physically, he looked fine in this match.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, he doesn't have a lot of tread on the tires.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, I'm very much.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he barely ever worked.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, God, how many matches does he actually have in his career at this point?
[UNKNOWN]: I'd be very curious how many actual WWE matches he ran because they didn't do, most of his career was, I mean, a lot of it was, I mean, that was doing much on the house shows, right?
[UNKNOWN]: and they haven't even done how shows over the last couple of years lately he was just losing on main of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, none of these are hard matches the ones he's done.
[UNKNOWN]: So he had a 728 dirty matches.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but like 11 years.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Since 2015.
[UNKNOWN]: And probably didn't work.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, my god.
[UNKNOWN]: His first televised.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's how long he was there.
[UNKNOWN]: His first televised WWE match
[UNKNOWN]: That's how long it goes back.
[UNKNOWN]: And the hacker, the hacker, the internet man.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was that long ago, unbelievable.
[UNKNOWN]: But, no, yeah, he's 38 years old.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't look at though.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if you wanted to pretend this guy was in his early 30s, you absolutely could.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, there's not much trying on the tires.
[UNKNOWN]: So you could do a lot with him.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's exactly the type of guy when I mentioned Christian Cage earlier, that's a dude where I would be like, if I'm TNA, I try to find a way to sort of say, hey, look, that other company, they didn't maximize this guy as much as they did.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't see this as a bad thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't see them.
[UNKNOWN]: if they pushed this guy to the moon and had him as like a tippy top star in their company I wouldn't see that as some people see it as oh they're just pushing a guy because he was from the fed but that's not I'm not this is a guy who was very underutilized by them that that's a big difference versus like yeah it's it's all about that exposure if they brought in
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like Elijah, I don't want them to put a lot and push Elijah to the moon because nobody thinks Elijah was like an underrated talons or whatever a guy that was underutilized or whatever he was fucking Elijah like he'd probably got the most of them they possibly could but who a nation I think there is something there there there there's something you can do so I would have I mean I would have had some balls here and I know why they did the three of them actually because they didn't want who I nation to win this title and they didn't want Mustafa Ali to lose this title, but I would have showed some balls and just had them fucking win here right
[UNKNOWN]: Who cares, we'll see what the new booking regime does.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so drummer King Matt during this, all right, maybe I've been Facebook Phillips.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget.
[UNKNOWN]: They said because I was not finally came out and they had all of the nation's flags out there because this is a TNA international title.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if they had all the nation's.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't put me on that.
[UNKNOWN]: They had several nations, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: was power glide represented.
[UNKNOWN]: I sure, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: How about Rwanda?
[UNKNOWN]: How about, you know what, I bet Rwanda wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet Paraguay was, they only had like 30 flags.
[UNKNOWN]: So all of the nations were not represented.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet I would bet money that Paraguay was and that Rwanda was not.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet Turkey A.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what, I wouldn't be surprised if the Turkey A flag found a way out there.
[UNKNOWN]: you know the uh... well what's though what's the weird uh... there's one country that's the left in the world cup that's strange or they were there friday i was watching them i uh... cape or what was the cape uh... whatever the fuck cape veriday yeah yeah i don't think the cape veriday flag was out there either so
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't know what that looks like though.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: I would know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's blue.
[UNKNOWN]: It's blue and red, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Facebook Phillips says During his time as TNA International Champion, Mustafa Lee has Well represented what that title is meant to be a truly international title.
[UNKNOWN]: Joe, I want you to tell me all of the countries That Mustafa Lee has defended the TNA International Championship in Some guessing it's one
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually two.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he went to Canada.
[UNKNOWN]: He went to Canada.
[UNKNOWN]: He went to Quebec City in Toronto to find the most titles to it.
[UNKNOWN]: So otherwise Cleveland, Syracuse, Marquette, Michigan, Sacramento, Ashkosh, Wisconsin, Denver, Colorado, Quebec City at the Guy Lufu, Pavilion, Logan Square on a Tory, Machicago, a city in Illinois that I can't even for now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, I don't know where the fuck that is, probably near Missouri, Toronto, and then Boston Mass here.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he defended in Quebec City against Yvonne Robare underneath a Tino Bravo text yesterday.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that what it was?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then the match quickly because they had a booking in the Maritime later that day, so they had to take it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was an early morning show so they could get to the Maritime's in time.
[UNKNOWN]: And catch a double propeller plane over to the Maritime.
[UNKNOWN]: We're no class, Bobby Bass, a weighted him as an opponent.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we were.
[UNKNOWN]: I remember that little swim.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But he has embodied what this title's meant to be is mostly just, that's an America, but anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, now we have the no surrender match, Moose with the retired JDC, you know, forget he is retired.
[UNKNOWN]: It is Johnny Curtis who retired this year versus Eddie Edwards and Alicia Edwards.
[UNKNOWN]: So as Eddie and Alicia, I don't know, who cares, Eddie and his wife were on their way to the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: through all of the evolutions that TNA has gone through over all these years, there's been one constant the entire time, aty Edwards.
[UNKNOWN]: What about the decade there he wasn't there?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I guess, been there a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, for there a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, like, 10, 12 years where he wasn't there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's another one who belongs in the T&A Hall of Fame.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you can't do it while he's, you know, active, but... Or a shield or a hated shield, but...
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, he's been there consistently since what, like 2013 or so.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to find out exactly when.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they're a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know either, but it was like the one constant through all the changes in this company's history is at the end, whereas I'm like, no, it's not 15 years.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: 2014, 2014 the wolves, dayd view.
[UNKNOWN]: old John K. Hill or was he had it did they call matters I think he was always any Edwards in in T and at least what was his name what were the when the wolves had their NXT try out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh Jesus.
[UNKNOWN]: What was it?
[UNKNOWN]: It was John K. Hill.
[UNKNOWN]: What the hell was I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: Hold on.
[UNKNOWN]: It was yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What's John K. Hill.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we're back on.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we were back on Joe.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, had I power out of it?
[UNKNOWN]: Head away for the internet, get back, but we're back.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, so I then we cut off at John K. Holt's tag partner, and it was an incredible name.
[UNKNOWN]: The most deviant Richards name that has ever deviant Richards.
[UNKNOWN]: But was it?
[UNKNOWN]: Derek Billings.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: My full dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: That's great.
[UNKNOWN]: You just know as Davey, you know, Eddie's really thinking about it and Davey's like Derek Billings.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, Eddie has a station at all, you know, Eddie didn't think at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Eddie just used his name.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess he just used his shoot name, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Eddie, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But Eddie, Davey's taping his wrist and they go, hey, Davey, what do you want?
[UNKNOWN]: Jerk Billington.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Fair enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Millings in.
[UNKNOWN]: Gotta go with the Billings in the right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I love them so much.
[UNKNOWN]: Where is he?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no surrender match here.
[UNKNOWN]: So this was a I had to you had to win via like giving up or what I, you know, I mean, it was fucking, yeah, it's surrender.
[UNKNOWN]: You had to surrender, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: The problem with this match, oh, it's fucking playing on here.
[UNKNOWN]: No, okay, there we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, we're back.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: We're good now.
[UNKNOWN]: They played a good the we're good we're good now we're for sure good.
[UNKNOWN]: We were now we're very good.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we were and we're only kind of good before now.
[UNKNOWN]: We're definitely good.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, the no surrender match the one issue that I have with this match, but but I actually ended up loving this match when it was all over at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like that was a hell that was pro wrestling right there in all of its if there's a certain level of of that goofiness, but there's a certain level of of
[UNKNOWN]: schmaz that I enjoy in a wrestling and this one actually worked for me at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: We were teasing the throw in the towel thing way too early here.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait to it's a 13 minute match six minutes in.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like don't do it, JDC don't throw in the towel and like at least that was like throw in the towel and it's like he's just like moose is just getting like normally like offense is just normally being done to him by any other words and it's like, JDC is going to throw in the towel and I'm like, I hope not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's six minutes in the match.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I'd be a way too early time to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So they did fuck up that part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But the end was, God, it was just so, it was like very Memphis, what happened here.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Moose is here, Eddie Edwards and Alicia Edwards who's just being total assholes.
[UNKNOWN]: JDC's got the towel, he's gonna throw him, but he doesn't wanna do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Moose is like, don't throw it, don't throw it, don't throw it, please, don't throw it.
[UNKNOWN]: Then like, Moose's wife shows up.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Eddie Edwards teases that he's gonna like knock around, that he throws her to the ground or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, holy shit, that's pretty aggressive.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Moose's son runs into the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: And Eddie's like, oh, I got the idea and he throws a moose son of the ring and then he's got moose tied up with zip ties onto the ropes and he's going to like pile drive his son and right in front of him, but then it's on low blows him, low blows any Edwards rolls out of the ring mooses wife turns around and just dexalisha Edwards and then moose goes ah, he breaks
[UNKNOWN]: free of the zip ties, then just spears Eddie Edwards three times like a fucking looked a great looking spears and then finally he's about to spear and again through a table and then leash Edwards runs in and she throws in the towel for Eddie Edwards and it's over and the match is done but then JDC gets in the ring and he's like oh we could still fuck these people up if you want he's like out let's do it so then moose spears both Eddie Edwards and leash Edwards through the table as the crowd just goes absolutely fucking nuts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, put them both through the table.
[UNKNOWN]: This is awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: I had the end of this match rocked.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, little too much Gaga for me, but if you have very Memphis like is a good way to describe it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the right amount of Gaga.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't want all my wrestling to be Gaga, but there are certain times.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was like the heels finally got theirs.
[UNKNOWN]: They've turned on moves, this was a great pull off.
[UNKNOWN]: They need to never do anything with these guys ever again.
[UNKNOWN]: Moose is the system is in his rear view.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the guy that I've pushed.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the guy that I almost maybe pushed up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's that twirl tile mix with Nick Nemeth.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think he's a decent enough baby face that you can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not he's got to be don't this was a perfect blood if this is a blow off All credit to Eric talking But this is Hold on this had to be up.
[UNKNOWN]: I would hope And to be fair so that's a ball of back, man everything takes a blow off or ball of back He just runs it fucking back It's now to be fair They kicked moves out of their little The system
[UNKNOWN]: Alicia quit the system to go with Moose.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, it was a long day, it was a double cross at the end of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: You probably, remember when we questioned it, I was like, wait, she turned on her husband and turned on her husband.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Because, well, the idea was she didn't like how her husband and the rest of the system were treating this long time like pal of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that was kind of the idea behind it.
[UNKNOWN]: But you could probably, if you went back
[UNKNOWN]: Please don't do this.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're back and watched all the TV, you could probably poke a million holes in it.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a dopey wrestling storyline written by Tom Dream, but she does eventually double cross moves because he catches her.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember you caught her on the video, talk into the ad-airway.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like just typical pro wrestling shlock.
[UNKNOWN]: But to their credit, you know, at least was a semi coherent story from start to finish that TNA told here.
[UNKNOWN]: the heels each shit at the end they've got put through the table in the end by the baby face who got to celebrate with his family right like so this better be the blowoff is my point yeah because they told a story with the beginning of middle and now a very clear end the last thing you want is to come on tv this week
[UNKNOWN]: And Eddie and Alicia have some, you know, the fariest plan to get back in boost.
[UNKNOWN]: No, this should be over now, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And I like that he's finally put him through the table, too, because that you, I almost thought when they did, there were Alicia jumps in and throws in the towel.
[UNKNOWN]: So Eddie doesn't have to go through the table.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking, Oh, God, now, boost is going to be like,
[UNKNOWN]: No, I have an official I haven't done all I wanted to do to you to get my revenge.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to put you through a table or when I because then you could you could stretch that out for another month But I liked that JDC got in the ring and he was like I just do it right now if you want It's just goes.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, first you see they had like a terrible a stone cold stunner to
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it was Eddie, I wasn't at anywhere to do it, it's not what it was, we should, I don't even know, but regardless, it got them both in front of the table and then Bush just fucking speared them out of their shoes and the table exploded and the family jumped into the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: It was awesome, it was great Gaga, great Russ and Gaga.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, TNA can just not stop being like WWE or trying to be like WWE.
[UNKNOWN]: They saw a WWE rush John Cena back in their after his retirement and they couldn't wait to get JDC back on camera after his Yeah, emotional retirement.
[UNKNOWN]: We all remember we all remember sell it a little JDC you're back way too soon But listen when you have a star the caliber of JDC you got to get him right back after the 30 when you get dirty courty out there you got it
[UNKNOWN]: That's right, so yeah, he has so many little matches, but and we should know that it was a corner table spot not like a dive off the top No, no, yeah, it's not a table.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like put them through the table in the pool.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hit it and he had any other words with three spears than the fourth through a table I mean, that's pretty definitive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my mind.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was cool, but that I enjoyed that that was fun Did not enjoy Ziya Brookside and Lee Ying Lee
[UNKNOWN]: It's just very boring.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just very bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they gave them so boring.
[UNKNOWN]: 11 minutes and they could have they should have made it like a four minute match.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this should have been for the speed title instead of the knockouts title.
[UNKNOWN]: That would have moved things along a lot more, but yeah, and Ziya Brooks, I turned on Lee English.
[UNKNOWN]: So she would like do a move and then grab it or hair and be like, yeah, she's cause I knew.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, just like classic bullshit like.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we've seen this a million times and put the problem the biggest problem was the match was just dreadfully fucking boring Yeah, that was the product very boring match new champion bad ways Yeah, it's great great great great.
[UNKNOWN]: Is this where they announced the the brackets for the TNA knockouts TV Oh god, it's like
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a 64-person tournament too.
[UNKNOWN]: Jesus, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you take these brackets and I was like, whoa, that's a lot of bracket.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we need that much bracket?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, can we do a neat and tidy?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just one of the harshest deals versus Marisade and then Heather Byalligan's versus, you know, Alicia Edwards and then just move it on from there.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, do we really need to say the first round here?
[UNKNOWN]: Here's what you're talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so big.
[UNKNOWN]: Fuck, I mean, drama king man.
[UNKNOWN]: And in the Midwest region, we have it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just, it's tournament is huge.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm waiting for Greg Gumball to give me the fucking, you know, first out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're the first, first, first.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's for God's sake.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, any heartwell versus Vicki Venuto are really going to go.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm going to go take my shit now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a good time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a good time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like 64 people in this tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: Harley Hudson, they'll don't face the winner of either Harley Hudson or Thiel.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, you have Elena Black versus Wendy Chew, that's a main event in any building.
[UNKNOWN]: And by elegance versus Rosemary, they'll face that's the bracket there.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we move on to the next bracket here.
[UNKNOWN]: Jada Stone versus Alicia Edwards, they will face the winner of Jodi Threat and Gabby Forza.
[UNKNOWN]: And this actually happened on impact, so spoiler alert.
[UNKNOWN]: Spoil, learn, I hate to joke over your ears.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you're gonna be watching T&A later today, so I don't want you to be spoiled, but Marissa Day defeated Tasha Steels tonight to move on to the quarter finals of the T&A knockout selfish and championship, and Heather Byeligan's got a big win over Alley to move on.
[UNKNOWN]: So the big Marissa Day, Heather Byeligan's matchup, I happen to end the quarter finals, but who you got, who you're looking at here, you got the a hail,
[UNKNOWN]: when it's when it's true of a valve of the evolved brand when it's true
[UNKNOWN]: How does Wendy Chu keep on jumping along?
[UNKNOWN]: Don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Wendy Chu can't even get on NXT.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, she's awful.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, she's like, she's like, she's like 35 or is all that she's on evolve?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, what are they doing?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, did they really think they're stuck?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, if, okay, if they really think something's there, isn't it time to try at this point?
[UNKNOWN]: She can't even get to develop mental.
[UNKNOWN]: She's always in, like, sub-develop mental.
[UNKNOWN]: The only time she was actually in NXT as when she was doing the gimmick
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, you remember that was her highest push was that the and then she became a demon who was in her pajamas and slept all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: It used to be better sir.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't mean when she was a pajama wearing no baby face.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's the attena knockouts TV champion chip turn it.
[UNKNOWN]: Then we had the T a world tag team title four way ladder match.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not going to believe it.
[UNKNOWN]: The heart is came out as the broken heart.
[UNKNOWN]: He's brother Nero and the delete guy unbelievable.
[UNKNOWN]: They faced the system, bare bronze and Brian Myers, the righteous of Dutch invinsit, and the great hands of Jason Hatchen, John Skyler.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was kind of boring.
[UNKNOWN]: very bad match and it featured a special light the right just went to the so they're having this this perfunctory boring ass ladder match.
[UNKNOWN]: Dutch invents that have an idea they're going to go to the back they come back with a ladder that's filled with flowers and trying to keep that's like
[UNKNOWN]: That's a letter from the wicked guard.
[UNKNOWN]: It must be like, okay, this is yet.
[UNKNOWN]: What the fuck is happening?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a word that must be like a wicked guard.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the wicked guard.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't these guys like, I know they need to make a living.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen to yourselves, but listen to yourselves.
[UNKNOWN]: I could never have some pride.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's no way I could say that line.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do it, Rich.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no way I'd be able to do it and I know they're not paying them enough Like I understand look, I don't want to be in another man's pockets, but to say that in Twitter And so it's a ladder from the wicked car
[UNKNOWN]: and some of how he got worse.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause I know where the latter would get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Fucking ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: It's still not the dumbest thing this week that I watched.
[UNKNOWN]: So at one point, like WDUCH, Vincent, or climbing up the ladder, Brian's Mars.
[UNKNOWN]: And plus, yes, that's covered in plastic flowers.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause it's from the WDUCH as it's from the WDUCH in the WDUCH in the garden, of course, as we all know.
[UNKNOWN]: from the Rob Zombie knockoff guy and WWE dodge.
[UNKNOWN]: So Brian Myers is climbing up the ladder.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they grab one of the flowers, one of these fake plastic flowers, some of the wicked garden platter, and they shove it in Brian Mayer's mouth, and Facebook films like, oh God, oh God, that's one of the poisonous flowers in the wicked garden, and they start like, fake coffee and stuff, and I'm like, what is that?
[UNKNOWN]: Brian Mayer's is being murdered on the paperview because he plays in this flower, and I'm like, come on, man, we almost made it through this whole show without being his dumb shit.
[UNKNOWN]: And we're doing poisonous flowers from a ladder from the wicked guard and he sells it Right on the top of the circle I'll have to be false in the top and they're like, oh my god, oh my god, right on my ears.
[UNKNOWN]: But poison It's a poison.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's like choking Make it faces wicked guard
[UNKNOWN]: Let's actually watch that joke right so I'm a mess.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's fire it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go up.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to run through your wake and go in.
[UNKNOWN]: Who doesn't please to find you?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'm alive so alive now.
[UNKNOWN]: I know the dogs, but you.
[UNKNOWN]: Brother Nero and Dalyke I won.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Dalyke.
[UNKNOWN]: The tag team champions.
[UNKNOWN]: Five times.
[UNKNOWN]: They've been there.
[UNKNOWN]: I was going to sing some truly madly deeply, but that's savage garden.
[UNKNOWN]: That's savage garden.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I gave you a wicked garden from STP instead.
[UNKNOWN]: See when I did that.
[UNKNOWN]: I had a pre-shadowed garden.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody, I wouldn't want to make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's a wicked garden.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not savage.
[UNKNOWN]: Savage garden.
[UNKNOWN]: Cherry, cherry, cola, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Savage garden?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the whole show we've done.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: I need a break.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about beach break.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, I guess that we are not going to review for Bindor on this show because we did that on Instinct action live Sunday night, two hours plus covering the entire show.
[UNKNOWN]: That is available exclusively on the $10 tier at flagshippatreon.com.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you want to hear us review for Bindor, Big Fisher thoughts about Mercedes and my world.
[UNKNOWN]: much talked about match throughout the week.
[UNKNOWN]: We also talked about the obviously talk about the whole show.
[UNKNOWN]: We went in the detail about the entire show like we'd said.
[UNKNOWN]: We always do a really, really great job of breaking down every single thing on the show, not really just glossing over any match, really breaking it all down.
[UNKNOWN]: Two plus hours, like I said, big picture thoughts, thoughts about the booking.
[UNKNOWN]: We actually won, I think we won the war.
[UNKNOWN]: We bitched and moaned about the show being too long and Tony listened to us.
[UNKNOWN]: He moved us to show the next show of redemption is going to be an
[UNKNOWN]: Now, we have to find out if that means he's just going to make an hour longer, but at least it's an hour earlier now.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: Listen, it's something, and that he's recognizing that it was a problem.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that it reaches, it reaches the end of the year last week.
[UNKNOWN]: Good, for Bindor, there's been a lot of shows where you and I thought we're a little too long, but other people are like, no, it's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I want one to month, it's pretty cool to just have great wrestling or whatever, and like, Lashers all in was fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I thought that show was an internally long, but people are like, it's all in.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the biggest show of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: This one, I didn't see anybody defend this.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw every pretty much everybody just be like, yeah,
[UNKNOWN]: Like, do we didn't need this to be out?
[UNKNOWN]: The prevailing thought was, look Tony, it was a good show and we let put, come on man, it's Monday morning and it's 147 AM and we have to people have to work.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and it's like, that's a little ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know, it's just it's the Sunday show just like we said on the instant reaction We we pitched three or four different ideas and one of them was very simply just move it up an hour Move it up an hour or two in fact Maybe move it up a you know two or three hours would even be better, but look He recognizes there's an issue and it's like I said on the instant reaction
[UNKNOWN]: if he if this continued on it was gonna cost them some buys because and then we actually got a lot of feedback from people who were on some people reach out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, who are like, look, I don't buy the Sunday shows.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't buy the shows until they're on toe football season when they're on Saturdays again because I cannot stay up until midnight.
[UNKNOWN]: I just can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not it's a non-zero number.
[UNKNOWN]: Now look, you can never make everyone happy and look, I understand that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think
[UNKNOWN]: a wrestling pay-per-view when you're in total control.
[UNKNOWN]: This isn't like boxing or shoot fighting where you cannot control if every fight goes the maximum amount of rounds or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: You're in full control of this.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to run a show until one or two in the morning on a work night.
[UNKNOWN]: And you don't have to put yourself in a position where you're potentially losing some buys because of it.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, just move to fucking thing up an hour.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm glad he did that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: So we talked about that a little bit and we won that war and then yeah, just went to detail about the entire show.
[UNKNOWN]: So that is available on the 10 dollar tier flagship patron dot com.
[UNKNOWN]: So we had the dynamite this week obviously Thursday dynamite review is up right now at flagship patron dot com as well $5 tier and one of the big things coming out of this week's dynamite was what's coming up next week on dynamite dynamite beach break.
[UNKNOWN]: This line of a stat.
[UNKNOWN]: This is an unbelievable lineup.
[UNKNOWN]: So you got Jericho versus Smastrochapa, which has been a few in the making for now, a couple of months.
[UNKNOWN]: Kano's Gate to Gashino versus Kyle Fletcher for the International title on Dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, that's a few that's been years in the making for God's sake.
[UNKNOWN]: So to Gashino versus Kyle Fletcher for the International title, AW Women's World Title, number one contendership casino, Gallet match.
[UNKNOWN]: We know Athena, Rina, Sky Blue, Maya World will be in there and then a whole bunch of other people will be in it because obviously it's a casino, Gallet match.
[UNKNOWN]: And the big news though, is the main event, AW World title,
[UNKNOWN]: MJ after spending the title against Kenny Omega and we're doing the the Cody step the hangman step whatever you want to do where if Kenny does not win, he can no longer challenge for this title ever again.
[UNKNOWN]: This is where Kenny wins it obviously, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's not not challenging for the title ever again.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think I don't know if they might maybe they find a way around it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: The question then becomes, what do you do with the world title at this TNA redemption show coming up in July?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you do a Kenny M.J.F.
[UNKNOWN]: Rematch of some sort?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you do a three way with M.J.F.
[UNKNOWN]: on Draw Day and Kenny?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you, can it do you somehow?
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's no one else really on the horizon for Kenny.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of times Tony will have a lot of balls in the air and have, you know, you'll have different,
[UNKNOWN]: programs running concurrently can he's programs right now or mjf and will and we know will isn't until Wembley.
[UNKNOWN]: So if Kenny does when the title you would assume he's going to defend it in July.
[UNKNOWN]: So unless they start a new program because what they could do with mjf is if mjf loses to Kenny, he can move right into a program with Andrade and get him out of the title picture for a little while.
[UNKNOWN]: He just mess around with Andrade.
[UNKNOWN]: But then what do you do with Kenny?
[UNKNOWN]: So I think the bigger question I think
[UNKNOWN]: I would be stunned if Kenny doesn't win the title on Wednesday.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: The question then becomes though what direction do Kenny and MJF go from there?
[UNKNOWN]: That's my dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's dad's
[UNKNOWN]: figure that out and do you really want MJF losing again in a match yet, you know, a month later.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: This is another one of these fun things in AEW booking where I don't really know, and I don't really have a clear path.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I enjoy that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it'll be, I'm with you that I'm almost positive Kenny's going to win this.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say the only way that Kenny does it win it is like MJF, fucks him out of this or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: And then redemption is like Kenny putting his career on the line or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But if you're M.J.F.
[UNKNOWN]: like, why would you, I don't know if you would really take it out.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, if Kenny doesn't win, he can then he can't challenge for.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: But then you could break that step immediately if you want.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we saw with Hangman, you could break that step immediately and say, Kenny, be like, all right, fucking, I'll never wrestle again.
[UNKNOWN]: If I let me have another World title shot and if you beat me this time, I'll never wrestle again.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, is that enough to break that step?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would hate that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like it either.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't like that either.
[UNKNOWN]: But you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: They could do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get the sense that that's something Tony would do.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we're trying to be too, look, Kenny's winning the title on Wednesday.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think there's any reason to overthink this.
[UNKNOWN]: The question then becomes what do you do in the main event in July?
[UNKNOWN]: Three way, get on, draw the end of mix, you do a rematch.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, you know, will Osprey has to have his time occupied for another two months too.
[UNKNOWN]: until the main event of Wembley.
[UNKNOWN]: So do you do the Mox turn before Wembley do you wait till after Will wins the title to do the Mox turn?
[UNKNOWN]: I think after.
[UNKNOWN]: I think after we talked about it a little bit on the forbidden door, instant reaction live.
[UNKNOWN]: I think for Moxley, it's all about getting this guy to the title and then once he has the title, then that's what Moxley wants on.
[UNKNOWN]: Now he can take his hat off and beat him up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and in his own mind, justify, jump in him and beat him up and turn it on him.
[UNKNOWN]: But to the fans, he looks like a piece of shit, but he'll have some slow talk in promo, which makes sense to him and him only as to why it was okay for him to turn out well.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's what we're going with this.
[UNKNOWN]: and that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, what I talked about on the dynamite review was how, over the last really since last year's all in, we've had this long winding road that we all kind of figured, we all figured out eventually, was leading to Will versus Kenny at all in and Wembley.
[UNKNOWN]: But the way that they got there was totally unpredictable every step of the way.
[UNKNOWN]: But now that we're kind of hitting the home stretch, all of these different throughlines and storylines are converging all the different kids.
[UNKNOWN]: Because at one point, there was like 10 different world title contenders.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we've paired it down to like three or four.
[UNKNOWN]: And eventually, we're going to get down to just Will and Kenny.
[UNKNOWN]: when it's time for Wembley, and everything is starting to come into clean focus now, we just have this one more month, this one more paper view cycle of, all right, what's going to happen at the Made of End of July paper view?
[UNKNOWN]: It's really been to me a great example of Tony having a plan booking backwards and executing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's great and you could see that that plan being executed backwards and that's always I mean, yeah, you might get some roadblocks and some things might not work out or whatever, but you want to I think you want to try to always do this if you're a booker and you're going to want to be a good booker.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you want to have a big show circle the match that you want.
[UNKNOWN]: that to headline that big show what you want to happen on that have happened on that big show and then work backwards from there I think that's any good book or should probably try to do that and yeah it's easier said than done and injuries happen and things happen or whatever but that's I think it's always a and yes some guy might get hot you might say it's undeniable that this guy has to do it but I mean ultimately you want to try to get back to whatever your plan is if you've been booking backwards but one thing that I've loved about the last year of eight I'll be booking has been
[UNKNOWN]: how important the title is to everybody and and that's really how it should be like I there there's existed for far too long a and and WWE is is probably the most guilty of this and now everybody everybody just follows WWE so that's it is that if you're not like directly in the world title picture you don't give a fuck you don't care about the world title you don't care about the champion you don't want to be the world champion you're just yeah that's you're done you know you never talk about you never talk about it you never say hey I want to get
[UNKNOWN]: like that that could when I get my chance at Cody like in you might be going for the fucking US title but you say hey this is stepping stone because the biggest goal is to go to WrestleMania face Cody road to that world title whatever they don't do it it's like you only have your soul focus at that exact time I must get the US chairman I must defeat this guy or whatever and I love that
[UNKNOWN]: throughout, especially this year, I think in 2026, we've seen it a ton, where, hell, we've seen it a ton.
[UNKNOWN]: There's like three guys in the Donkhouse family that are like, well, wait, I want the title shot.
[UNKNOWN]: I want the title, I want the title, I want to win the title.
[UNKNOWN]: And Don has to kind of manage that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, everybody should want to win the world title.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody that's, that's, should feel like, you know, the top, top guys in the company, the guys that win a lot of matches and are the, you know, push commodities, they should all present an idea that they want to win the fucking title, because then what else are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Why are you here if you don't want to win that world title?
[UNKNOWN]: AWS kind of brought that back and that's a big deal to try to get that world title and it's a big deal to to to make sure that you're in the mix and and you're trying to stay in that mixed the entire time and you're you're calling out the champion and you're confronting the champion and that's been really fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we saw it with Derby where he was getting hit from all sides and we've seen it with MJF as well and it's really, really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: So I've I appreciate that and it's a nice bit of booking and yeah, it's going to ultimately end up.
[UNKNOWN]: wherever we go at Wembley and now I assume it's going to be Kenny and Will, but I still don't rule out the possibility that somehow MJF finds his way in there, I don't fucking know how, but maybe, and it's possible you have MJF as Will, and there's also possible that I all hate this too, but it's possible you do a three way.
[UNKNOWN]: at Wembley now I would despise that oh god no stop I agree that would take I look I don't want it not telling you I'm telling you I don't want it but I don't think it's impossible that it is I hope not to I hope not to really hope not I hope not Tony has not really done that you know he hasn't really shown that sort of cowardness with his booking so I hope that's not what happens but I wouldn't rule out the possibility unfortunately
[UNKNOWN]: But that's not good.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a bad possibility.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony, don't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't even speak that into existence.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be horrible.
[UNKNOWN]: Disgusting.
[UNKNOWN]: It's disgusting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's gross.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sickening.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you think of that.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's beach break.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a dynamite beach break.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody asked if Instruction live for a beach break next week.
[UNKNOWN]: No, because you were going to be in the lovely state of Ohio.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'll be out of town.
[UNKNOWN]: So I will.
[UNKNOWN]: I will be doing wrestling stuff right up until about Tuesday and then I'm gone for a week and then I'll miss one flagship, I'll miss one dynamite review, the beach break review, so ritual do that and then yeah, then I'll be right back next week to normal.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I'll be doing stuff all this weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, I'll probably
[UNKNOWN]: review that know a show.
[UNKNOWN]: What was the date on that know a show?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, the big one where the haste title defense, the haste title defense.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Tag title match coming off of the tag tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see if I can pull it up.
[UNKNOWN]: That was, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: uh, like a sea rise.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like a sea rise 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: 2025.
[UNKNOWN]: 25th.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: From cork and haul.
[UNKNOWN]: So that has sheen haste first hit.
[UNKNOWN]: So you endo and it had bushy and nighto defending against the tag league winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Soya and, and uh, uh, you passionate ratels.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And now our food giver, Suji condo for the national title.
[UNKNOWN]: I will have that watch to review at some point this week.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll do all the shit that I usually do over the weekend plus that.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't have time for that in the flagship.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a packed show and then so I'll have some flagship pluses and shit like that right up until I leave on.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't leave till Tuesday so there's no reason not to keep working.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but yeah, but I won't be around for dynamite.
[UNKNOWN]: Rich will do that and then I don't know what the fuck that you're doing in flagship.
[UNKNOWN]: No idea yet, I'll figure it up.
[UNKNOWN]: None of my business.
[UNKNOWN]: I won't be around.
[UNKNOWN]: So actually it's a lot of my business, but I won't be around for that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's most of your business.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very much my business, but I literally my bit, but I won't have any say.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're just going to do what he wants with that, but he will be doing the dynamite review.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: So that'll be that'll be next week.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe do it Wednesday night.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe do it Thursday.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll figure it out.
[UNKNOWN]: But peach break.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I'm going to make sure I'm watching that one live for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's why I might be able to do it immediately after the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Because that's not usually I watch time at like the next day.
[UNKNOWN]: The staff kind of want to watch this time my life.
[UNKNOWN]: This is and a Tony, a one, you'll one the war.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm watching this shit life.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not watching this on demand.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not watching the next morning.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not getting spoiled in vain.
[UNKNOWN]: Ow.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a huge show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm watching it.
[UNKNOWN]: So fucking live.
[UNKNOWN]: This is Wednesday night is is locked in.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a cashier to flat your Jericho Ciampa and then the the women's deal.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's so far.
[UNKNOWN]: That seems like a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: So that might all that that might be all they have in terms of matches for two hour show.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, those two those two title matches alone or the man at least 20 25 minutes segments.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, massive show.
[UNKNOWN]: You join.
[UNKNOWN]: So, then we'll cover it next week for sure here in flagship Patreon and the flagship, but all right, let's get to these final two reviews here.
[UNKNOWN]: We have Knight of Champions or the great American bashment XT flip your coin Joe, what do you want to do?
[UNKNOWN]: For God's sake.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do Knight of Champions first.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll do Knight of Champions first.
[UNKNOWN]: WWE Night of Champions.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you see the report that ESPN told Paul?
[UNKNOWN]: Can we get another match up to on these things?
[UNKNOWN]: Like what are we doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, look, that's funny because it's something that we always talk about and it's also telling because that tells you that is a flashing neon sign that they're not thrilled with the numbers because you don't ask for changes if it's something is doing, you know, amazing gangbuster business.
[UNKNOWN]: We've had all these other
[UNKNOWN]: they never, you know, the PR never puts anything out.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we have this report.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we didn't do they put anything off for night at champions.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to go through the Twitter comic we usually do.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Just what you know, they didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: And now there's this report, but they're like, hey, you know, we appreciate, you know, the free match or two on ESPN before these things, but
[UNKNOWN]: Can we get a little more meat on the bone on the actual pay-walled content here because no one's fucking watching is what that tells me That absolutely has to tell you that has to tell you that yeah, because why why would they ask for more matches on the show if they were like you said if they were completely happy with everything They wouldn't miss and why don't change this is going great Paul whatever you're doing keep doing it's great no great Jeff's call
[UNKNOWN]: And more shit to this stuff like it so they they must be watching these shows They must be getting complaints from people that it's just like I'm watching this shit nothing happens It's all commercials There's four matches and and just a ton of downtime or yeah No one's watching these things and they're like we need to get a little bit more going on these shows So I don't think they're getting complaints I think they're looking at the numbers and saying all right, what's going wrong here?
[UNKNOWN]: Where's the return on our investment now on?
[UNKNOWN]: And they're looking and they're saying oh there's three matches like like that doesn't seem like maybe people don't Maybe logically they're saying oh maybe people don't feel like this is much of a value So how about load these things up a little more And then you know all of that cast to say that we'll see we have this bucket system So let me explain to you how this works Right and And they're probably just perplexed all of them But yeah, this just tells me that they're not happy with the performance You don't complain if you're happy with the performance
[UNKNOWN]: They can't be.
[UNKNOWN]: So, throughout this show, there is, we have to, we talked about in the forbidden order.
[UNKNOWN]: There is a wrestler that you said, you're not sure if this man is supposed to be a baby face or a heel or what the hell he's supposed to be, and I was supposed to guess who it was.
[UNKNOWN]: I have the name, and I will announce it when we get to their match, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's not the person people think it is.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of people that they, but I know you.
[UNKNOWN]: I know your sensibilities.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a person on this show that I know when you were done, you were like, what the fuck is this?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you?
[UNKNOWN]: What is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I'll get to, I think I got it, but there might be several you.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you even?
[UNKNOWN]: What is this?
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So we open the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot they already bungled this in the time.
[UNKNOWN]: This happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, night of champions in the lovely kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
[UNKNOWN]: We are the king of the ring final,
[UNKNOWN]: uh... defeated jay was so in seven minutes and fifty six seconds he just kind of ran through him he just kind of destroyed him main event jay didn't get any offence in really an oba just be the shed of him and the crowd loved it and oba was your king of the ring look he told jay before the match i'm not even concerned with you you are not the bloodline member i am concerned with cared about or think about and i'm just gonna run through you and he just ran through them yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, and then I don't know if you saw the follow up on Rott is war.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you see this?
[UNKNOWN]: He's so bad at this.
[UNKNOWN]: And Rott is war.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, but for me, so he wins the king of the ring, which guarantees him a title opportunity, a championship opportunity at Summerslam, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He sees that in Pierce and he goes, not fuck that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to change my chipmatch.
[UNKNOWN]: Can I have Brock Lesnar instead?
[UNKNOWN]: So we had a whole tournament, whole tournament for nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: So what does this say to you as an analyst as to what you think might be going on?
[UNKNOWN]: They don't trust him to win the title yet.
[UNKNOWN]: They have pushed him and he has gotten over faster than they would like and they and they're like oh shit Whoa, we're not ready yet.
[UNKNOWN]: We've booked ourselves in the aquarium here.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been with you this So you're so bad at this, Paul.
[UNKNOWN]: What does your soul bad at this because first of all just go with it He's right over to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, he's over
[UNKNOWN]: Secondly, you did this, it's a work, you booked it.
[UNKNOWN]: You literally did this.
[UNKNOWN]: You didn't have to put him in the King of the Ring.
[UNKNOWN]: You could've booked yourself out of that.
[UNKNOWN]: You could've had him do something else.
[UNKNOWN]: You could've just kept his feud going with Brock.
[UNKNOWN]: You didn't have to do this, and then upset half of your audience who's now going, what the fuck did we invest in the King of the Ring for if now he's not even getting a title shot?
[UNKNOWN]: Now, the other half of your audience, they're just doodiful fucking puppies who don't care what you do.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're all saying, oh, I'll hug at a chance.
[UNKNOWN]: He's young.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he gets the rest of the, well, fine.
[UNKNOWN]: But the other half of the audience is like, what the fuck is this?
[UNKNOWN]: Why did, why did we do this?
[UNKNOWN]: Why did he win this tournament?
[UNKNOWN]: Why did I invest in this?
[UNKNOWN]: If he's just still feuding with Brock and he's not going to go for a title.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just also like, why would he, what, in K-Fade, why would this idiot not want the, I understand he wants a face Brock Leser.
[UNKNOWN]: I like, I, I, I, I bad at Brock, I, I bad at Brock.
[UNKNOWN]: He's an idiot and take your fucking title shot and then face Brock Lesnar another time But he's like no, I want to face Brock Lesnar in hell in a cell and it adds summer slam or whatever And I'll give up my title to do it and it's like why would you do that?
[UNKNOWN]: It's so dumb it makes him look dumb the company looks dumb the people watching it are dumb like it's just yeah It's fucking ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never said how do you how do you fuck this up this band?
[UNKNOWN]: could have found a way to announce him for King of the Ring.
[UNKNOWN]: But then have Brock do something else to him and then have him say, you know what, I'm skipping King of the Rings.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to get my hands on Brock.
[UNKNOWN]: I said, I mean, I know Brock probably wasn't going to get on that plane, but you could have had if you wanted to find a way to finangle out of this.
[UNKNOWN]: You could have had Brock cost over the match here.
[UNKNOWN]: and then I'll go to Adam Pearce and be like, nah, he fucking he cost me my chance at we just talked about a w the most important thing in this company for seven to ten different people is the world championship match.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where you can have a family pretend that he really cares about the world title and be like fuck that.
[UNKNOWN]: That guy cost me a chance at summer slam to win this world title.
[UNKNOWN]: I want him.
[UNKNOWN]: I want him to hell in the cell at summer slam instead.
[UNKNOWN]: And Adam Pearce being like, I want this one sin for all.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to end this one.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's it, put us in the cell.
[UNKNOWN]: And then sure you could change so Roman raids again, but who fucking cares?
[UNKNOWN]: They're probably gonna.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know we might get that again anyway Who the fuck knows let's get we could sit here and pitch a half a dozen different ways to get to that
[UNKNOWN]: The worst one is, let's put him in King of the Ring, have him win it, and then say he doesn't want to settle if you like.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the worst of the worst of the world.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we've been together for a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: And Summer's life is too nice as well, so it's not like he could have said, hey, you know what, on night one, give me Brock, and then night two, or what, like that hell, you wanna crown a guy?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Brock Lesard night water comes in with the world title night, too.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crown.
[UNKNOWN]: But here's the key.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't want it.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: They're afraid the crown a guy.
[UNKNOWN]: He's over and they've pushed him and they're scared and they don't know what to do and now they're doing this instead because they're not ready for this
[UNKNOWN]: They either want to stretch it out until WrestleMania, which, all right, I can't kind of understand that.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, you did this.
[UNKNOWN]: You're the one who did it this quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: You're the one who put together this push and structured it this way.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're the one that booked yourself into this corner.
[UNKNOWN]: You're the one that's upsetting half of your audience because he won King of the Ring and he's blowing off the stipulation.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: There are many other options to get to the hell in the cell without having to do it this way.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just live extinctions.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really not going to do this at all.
[UNKNOWN]: He's bad.
[UNKNOWN]: This is pretty, this is one of the more agree just once.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not getting, I mean, I know it's never, of course, these things never get enough play.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not getting enough play for how bad this is.
[UNKNOWN]: The book in the entire tournament, the guy wins the tournament and the guy goes, yeah, I don't want to settle shut, never mind.
[UNKNOWN]: And not even like, hey, delay that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll take my title shot at frickin' great balls of fire or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: No, just be like, I don't care about the title.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, get the title.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, remember Roman that one time came up.
[UNKNOWN]: He lost the title and came on Raw the next night and said titles come and go and it's like, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys have lost the fucking plan.
[UNKNOWN]: You idiots.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so stupid, but how does MJF behave when he loses the title?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like his life is over, like he can't live with them.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's treating a title with importance.
[UNKNOWN]: And he never is, well, you know, what it's, you know, I lost the BBB or whatever you got.
[UNKNOWN]: It comes and goes, no, the guy is obsessed with getting it back.
[UNKNOWN]: you see these red like can you make a grappling with this decision do I put is this it do I want to put all my eggs in this basket he decides yes because it's worth it's so much to go after this title you know same thing with hangman when he did that same thing where you know mark brisco he didn't want to wait until July he's like I want my title shot I want it I want it for days I want to take you on this what you know they make it feel like it's the most important thing in the world that's a big theme I hit on with the
[UNKNOWN]: This guy's like he wins a tournament to earn this world title shot should be the pinnacle of his career He's like, you know what, never mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm good.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: How it is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just not how it should be.
[UNKNOWN]: That's ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: Queen of the ring, Eoskiy defeats Liv Morgan in a dreadfully boring match, boring and bad live is awful.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what any one says she does not get enough play for how horrible she is.
[UNKNOWN]: People think she's good.
[UNKNOWN]: She can't run.
[UNKNOWN]: She can't move.
[UNKNOWN]: She can't do anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you see Mike Johnson last week?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: So, remember when a soul ru-god nearly put out a little bit of an amazing end?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So Mike Johnson, because he has to be a fucking smart me prick.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember when at first, people thought live was hurt because you was selling the botch, like, limping around?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you watched the footage of the botch.
[UNKNOWN]: I did, I did, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You see how she was like selling afterwards, like after the botch and she was like limping around and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So people thought,
[UNKNOWN]: rightfully that soul fucking took out her legs right but the next day Mike Johnson comes on he goes well for those of you who think Liv Morgan was injured and she was fine after the show what you have to remember is that she's one of the best in the business What the best at what best in the business are you can't live more gone best in a bit The business is large if you want to say one of the best women in WWE No, you're still wrong
[UNKNOWN]: The business when I read that line.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like Jim Mora when the reporter brought up making the play off business.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like Best in the business.
[UNKNOWN]: What best in what been what are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: You know play off what play off?
[UNKNOWN]: We're not even gonna.
[UNKNOWN]: We can't even win a game I'm like, you know, she's one of the best in the business with the fuck are you talking people think she's good Rich just people who think she's good Explain this to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I would love yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's dreadful.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just really really really bad
[UNKNOWN]: I see nothing in her and belt of nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never seen anything in her belt of belt.
[UNKNOWN]: She's never once impressed me between the belts.
[UNKNOWN]: She's a WWE PC factory women's worker is what she is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all she is.
[UNKNOWN]: She couldn't even have a great match video sky who, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: And she looks great at it all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: And he is also like, especially in this match, she was going like 45% to do the little finger thing.
[UNKNOWN]: We're in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't really matter.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody cares.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody's a building gave a shit about anything on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: They cared about Oba.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So she did the little finger thing and had her bad 15 minute match in one.
[UNKNOWN]: And then another great chef's ball of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're wins the screen in the ring and fuck it whoever comes out.
[UNKNOWN]: I forget what a would dopey interview guy comes up It's like you know, Scott, congratulations.
[UNKNOWN]: You're the queen of the ring and she's like, I want to face live more Yeah, all right, that's the title she wants.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I want to face that woman.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like right back Yeah, so are two k one king of the ring was I want a title so I want to title shot and the other one is Yeah, just the person I just beat all the things here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: That will back, he is.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Modern day Sam Mushnik over here with the brilliant booking schemes.
[UNKNOWN]: He's unbelievable.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, well he's making a great booking.
[UNKNOWN]: We have a steel cage match here.
[UNKNOWN]: Seth Rowland versus Braun Breaker.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're not going to believe this.
[UNKNOWN]: If I could say the rouges beats Ron Baker, clean as a sheet in the way.
[UNKNOWN]: What bizarre?
[UNKNOWN]: Very bizarre.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, they're just terrified to push anyone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: They're just, we've been here in the bruh.
[UNKNOWN]: The brunnel have his time now.
[UNKNOWN]: We've been hearing that for a year.
[UNKNOWN]: It was last summer's slam, remember?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, brunnel have his time.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody had time to brush.
[UNKNOWN]: Not ready.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been on TV for six years.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Once the fucking time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, color splash NXT, it's on in poppin'.
[UNKNOWN]: It was built around him.
[UNKNOWN]: It's on in poppin' off the hook, era of NXT, was Brahm Breakers rollout.
[UNKNOWN]: That had to be at least five years ago, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Five or six years ago, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Twenty-two million.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe twenty-two.
[UNKNOWN]: The vision, you know, you know, this whole thing, like, I don't know, I don't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Does he even get to go 50, 50?
[UNKNOWN]: What's that?
[UNKNOWN]: Or does Seth just beat him like a drum?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that what are we doing here?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They beat him like clean I beat him like I mean Brian like fought valiantly and I couldn't I couldn't not believe this when it was when this match was over Michael Cole says Brian breaker proves he belongs tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my what?
[UNKNOWN]: He lost.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, he lost.
[UNKNOWN]: He lost.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the gauge magic.
[UNKNOWN]: Clean.
[UNKNOWN]: Proceed.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he threw people longs.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Brian breaker.
[UNKNOWN]: He shouldn't be proving he belongs.
[UNKNOWN]: He should be winning titles by now.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Levec has learned from Vince to just be terrified to push people.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's almost like Vince used to do this thing where he wasn't ready for someone to be over.
[UNKNOWN]: And he had this arrogance about him that, no, well, you know, he's not saying he's ready to be over.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a little different.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know if that's what Levec is doing.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Levec just feels like he's just terrified to try something new.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he has a lot of bosses.
[UNKNOWN]: Vince didn't have any bosses.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?
[UNKNOWN]: Like Paul has to keep the machine moving and has to exhibit year over year, quarterly growth, or his asses on the line.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's where the fear probably comes from.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, listen.
[UNKNOWN]: I was going to make this point, and I forgot to make it when we were talking about TNA.
[UNKNOWN]: I always talk when we talk about TNA, push Leon Slater, push Ricky Sosa, push, you know, bring in Fabian Akner, just fucking give it a try, push him, push Apollo Crews, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: There's less danger.
[UNKNOWN]: You, look, look, I think there's this thing in wrestling where fans go a little overboard sometimes with, oh, you just have to keep pushing the new guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Just get rid of the old guys and push the new guys.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's a little overtalked sometimes, where it's like, oh, hold on now.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of these people still have value at the top, their draws.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't just constantly pick every new flavor of the month and put them over.
[UNKNOWN]: But if you're TNA,
[UNKNOWN]: you're not really risking much by doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: The up the upside exceeds the downsides.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: The upside is you might make a guy and people will watch your show again.
[UNKNOWN]: And the downside is you're in the same spot you're in.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly it.
[UNKNOWN]: The upside is growth.
[UNKNOWN]: The downside is, we're in the same spot we were in, you know, when the other guy was on top.
[UNKNOWN]: I understand there's more of a risk when your WWE or your AEW to turn over what you have at the top.
[UNKNOWN]: right and I think Tony Con does a pretty good job of sort of slowly rolling people into the top with AEW you turn around and you don't realize that there's like a new batch of people in the main event picture and a new batch of people on the precipice of being in the main event picture and you go oh yeah these guys weren't there a year ago like you know I mean
[UNKNOWN]: 40 to 50 year old guys in the main event.
[UNKNOWN]: And this same glass ceiling shit that we've been talking about for decades in this company, we're only like John Cena or Roman Reigns have broken through.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love that, but I think Lovec is his reasons, like man's, we're arrogance.
[UNKNOWN]: and wanting to control people and let them know, I'm the puppet master.
[UNKNOWN]: Just because these fans want you, I'll let you know when you're getting to push if you ever get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Love that, I think it's fear.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, if I go with Oberfemmy and Braun Breaker, and we go through, and Blavek also understands wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: If I go with Oberfemmy and Braun Breaker and all these new faces, and we go through this thing, that's natural and wrestling, where the business declines a little, because people might not be fully ready,
[UNKNOWN]: But if you give it a year or three, they'll be just as hot as Cody and Roman.
[UNKNOWN]: T.K.O don't want to hear that shit.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Levec knows that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Levec knows that he can't go to T.K.O when they have three straight quarters of negative growth.
[UNKNOWN]: And say, hey, this is how wrestling works.
[UNKNOWN]: You gotta give me time to get these now.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't give a fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: They care about the bottom line number.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's what drives his fear.
[UNKNOWN]: of pushing some of these new people all the way.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's got them simmering.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got them simmering right below that level.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's gonna keep Cody and Roman and fucking Seth Rollins.
[UNKNOWN]: And these people at that level and he's afraid to try Brahm Breaker on top.
[UNKNOWN]: because man, if the attendance numbers drop 8%.
[UNKNOWN]: And if they have negative 2% growth one quarter, his ass is gonna be on the list.
[UNKNOWN]: But isn't the business slipping right now with what they're doing with these guys?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's like, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's not working.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it is time to try something a little different.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think he's not very good at that booking and I think he's not.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not one of the benefits that he had.
[UNKNOWN]: We always talk about this with NXT was he couldn't really use guys, the guys would move on like in the early days of NXT at the peak of NXT
[UNKNOWN]: He couldn't use guys forever because Kevin Owens was going to go to the main roster and Sammy Sam was going to go to the main roster.
[UNKNOWN]: So he told them stories with them and he wiped his hands and he moved on.
[UNKNOWN]: When they stopped taking those guys and he just had his little roster, what do we have?
[UNKNOWN]: We had two years straight of chopper versus Gargano and Gargano versus Cole and there's the same shit over and over and over and over again.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know if it's I see what you're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: I absolutely do, but I would say right now, you don't want to do like in
[UNKNOWN]: two years ago or a year or so ago, you're not doing any of this.
[UNKNOWN]: You're saying we're going to status quo is working great for us.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not going to change the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: But right now, when things are slumping, when when business is looking down, this is the best time to say, okay, let's try to do something with somebody and see if it catches on.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's hard to, it's hard to justify, hey, we're down anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm just going to keep doing the same thing and hopefully it's going to switch, the flip will switch at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think, I see where you're saying
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you're presenting evidence that he will repeat something forever if he has the opportunity to do it because he's done it before.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he had that and we talked about it in real time.
[UNKNOWN]: He had this built in advantage in NXT where Vince would want to call guys up.
[UNKNOWN]: So he had to refresh the top.
[UNKNOWN]: So he would just repeat.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: But somebody's gonna lose up and then graduate and then I'm gonna slot in my next indie or international signing, and then like you're saying when Vince stopped calling people up, he just had the same programs on for Pete, which is scarily similar to what he's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Until Vince said, okay, you're fucking this thing up, taking the book now, me and Bruce are right in this thing now.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all these guys are gone and me and Bruce are doing this and we're going to push you on guys and new guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, kind of works.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was rough at first, but it kind of worked.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, that's a different business that Vince was operating on and then then Paul's operating on, but yeah, it's there's enough evidence there that he's just scared to do anything new and and elevate new people.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why I don't I can't explain that he'd have to explain it, but yeah, it's it's it's
[UNKNOWN]: Preplexing that Brian lost this match and it was a definitive loss, too, because when it was done like, you know I said Michael Cole was like, oh, Brian proved he belonged, but then he said like Seth has put Brian in the vision and there is rear view and it's like, oh, that's it like he beat this guy and it's over now Like Seth won the war.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like really okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right now when I would have done but sure Yeah, ultimately bronze should be going over in that view.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and Seth isn't even a tipping top guy.
[UNKNOWN]: No
[UNKNOWN]: sets the kind of guy where if he retired tomorrow, nothing would change.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we're going to, I think at summer, so I'm going to do shield nostalgia again, which is insane because I was like 14 years ago at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, you have people in the audience, and we're even alive with the shield to us, like, broken up.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what do we do in here?
[UNKNOWN]: It's fucking sub, but yeah, all right, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: WWE United States title match Joe.
[UNKNOWN]: Trick Williams is the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Trick Liam's isn't for the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I knew it.
[UNKNOWN]: I know your sensibility's a lot of people thought you met Sammy Zane.
[UNKNOWN]: I knew yeah, I watched this trick match It's like
[UNKNOWN]: This man is an asshole with his cheating friend right at the crowd is going nuts and the announcers are like trick as one the match and beat Ricky says and I'm like, yeah, but his friend cheated and he cheated Yeah, this man's a heel but he's not a heel and then they beat him up afterwards and gave him a fucking people's elbow
[UNKNOWN]: He's the baby face.
[UNKNOWN]: So the two on one they beat up the deal the two baby faces beat up the heel after cheating the entire match.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah I did it is so it all fucking messed up like what is like a bull Character he's not likable and all like he has a heat
[UNKNOWN]: And that as we know is the most important thing, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So he's got his little eat, um, this little yati.
[UNKNOWN]: This man of a top 40 hit, what's his deal?
[UNKNOWN]: Little yati, top 40 hits.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me, do you want me to look up little yati?
[UNKNOWN]: Little, little, little yati, let me see little yati's top 40.
[UNKNOWN]: He have a top, this he, what is his claim to fame here?
[UNKNOWN]: Music, let's see, Miles Park's McCallum is his real name.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, no, his name is a little yachts.
[UNKNOWN]: A little yachty.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's see, let's go.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't know any of his hits.
[UNKNOWN]: I know nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a young man's game, but that's yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I know nothing of little yachty, unfortunately.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go to his singles.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see, let's singles, tap 40.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, well, Jesus is a lead artist, OK.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
[UNKNOWN]: Tap 40 hits.
[UNKNOWN]: That is not 40.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not 40.
[UNKNOWN]: That.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, hold on.
[UNKNOWN]: No one for his melodic bubble gum trap sound and distinctive upbeat persona.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you feeling a bubble gum trap?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, believe it or not?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Not really.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: So my man does not actually have a U.S. top 40 hit.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so he's like a nobody.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice, can sell.
[UNKNOWN]: So he appeared on a couple of top 40 songs as a featured artist.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a number five song in, I don't know what year it was, broccoli by Dram, D-R-A-M, Dram, featuring Little Yachty.
[UNKNOWN]: Broccoli was fifth on the charts.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, 2016, 2016, number four on the charts in 2016.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that was.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you, it was a called melodic bubble gum rep?
[UNKNOWN]: He's known for his melodic quote, bubble gum trap.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, bubble trap.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a genre of music, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Bubble gum trap.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all we got.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, he was in that much of a cinematography for a little yaddy.
[UNKNOWN]: People who search for Lil Yati also search for Lil Uzi Virt, familiar with him.
[UNKNOWN]: I give a little Luzi Virt, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I know of the name, yeah, not to be confused with Savage Garden.
[UNKNOWN]: When do you want the Savage?
[UNKNOWN]: Aw, it could be a very similar sounds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when you hear 21 Savage and Savage Garden, it'll be remarkable how close they are in tone, but no, different people.
[UNKNOWN]: Wavo.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Wavo.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: When you mean, I know, you accept matter of factly.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, quite well.
[UNKNOWN]: And trippy red.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, trippy red.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I know these names.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't tell you that song for many of these people, and I don't want to listen to them either.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, OK.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what my genre is today.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I turned the card in and I'm out.
[UNKNOWN]: You're done.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm done.
[UNKNOWN]: You've, yeah, you've.
[UNKNOWN]: I listen to Savage Guard now.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't listen to any of this stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't listen to 217.
[UNKNOWN]: I listen to Savage Guard and it's that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I see trippy red has siblings who also rap.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're like the clowns that monster clown in a monster monster clad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, the red I like that Well, you did a little unit.
[UNKNOWN]: They cloud wrap email rat.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, this trippy red looks like a sound cloud wrapper.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got face tattoos Yeah, definitely looks like he'd be found on a tour bus in an unfortunate predicament
[UNKNOWN]: Influenced by artists like teapain Gucci main and little Wayne.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right influences from punk and metal citing slipknot and Marilyn Manson.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, those are all the combinations you do not want.
[UNKNOWN]: Slipknot Marilyn Manson and teapain because it always ends badly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it always ends badly.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so Lil Yaddy, we don't know much about him, but I know that he's
[UNKNOWN]: It's, look, I was confused as to the heel face alignment throughout this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: The way that it was layered and laid out, it's like the sympathy was on Ricky Saints.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, you know, he's being cheated here, then they're beating him up afterwards.
[UNKNOWN]: And if I didn't know any better, I would have thought that this was a Ricky Saints right off.
[UNKNOWN]: I would think that he'd be released by the end of the weekend, the way that he was given that people's elbow.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, because people don't, people didn't watch this match.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, trick beat the shit out of Ricky Saints the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: Anytime Ricky got even a slight advantage, little yaddy would interfere.
[UNKNOWN]: I think then he got sent to the back but then he came back anyway or something, I don't know whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: But like trick just beat this guy from pillow to pose and any time that he could cheat or use an unheard of tactic he did and then they got the 1, 2, 3 on Ricky and then they just put the boots to him and he just did a people's elbow and they just left they just were like alright get this piece of shit out of our rig and I was like what is happening this is so weird why did they do the people's elbow and why did they beat him up after the match?
[UNKNOWN]: The baby faces.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: The 211 baby faces beat up.
[UNKNOWN]: Get revenge or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Why do they prove they prove their point?
[UNKNOWN]: They prove their point.
[UNKNOWN]: just a bizarre, I don't know, the match was weird to me, it didn't, it trickle games did not come across as likable in, uh, in the match.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: It was, uh, and, uh, one thing I'm always going to note and people get mad about this, uh, the whip that trickchant, uh, noticed that when the ring announcer starts their announcement,
[UNKNOWN]: everybody in the arena stops chanting whip that trick and then when the ringing out to her ends his announcement, uh, everybody in the arena starts chanting whip that trick again.
[UNKNOWN]: Just just want to point that out.
[UNKNOWN]: I know, uh, I were the only people that ever point to shout out every other reviewers like, ah, the crowd went nuts and they didn't want that trick the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I would just note the absent flows of the chant and how they begin and they end at, uh, various points.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: You mean, just start, yeah, loud immediately without a slow rumbling or a build and then just stop dead when they want it to stop like, yeah, I mean, it's stopping at the exact same amount of obos thing too.
[UNKNOWN]: And what's weird is there are people in the audience that are doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't doubt, like people are like, oh, you're saying they don't get reactions.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm saying they do get reactions.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm saying I don't think the reactions that you're hearing are the actual reactions.
[UNKNOWN]: and the way to note that is how they begin and how they end and when they pause and they always pause.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, but and we're up that trick and uh, they go, they go zero when they're picking out their starts.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I talked about that on a pause.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't taper down.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's not like the ringing answer starts this chance and a couple of people are still doing with that trick and then they slow enough.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's zero.
[UNKNOWN]: It goes to zero.
[UNKNOWN]: It goes from 100 and goes from zero to 100 when it starts and it goes from 100 to 0 when it ends.
[UNKNOWN]: Highly suspicious.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very suspicious.
[UNKNOWN]: It's yeah, a well-trained audience and I was up shut up Greg Hamilton is talking wherever the fuck is the crazy is that correct?
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's a god forever, but I don't know Mike bro, no, Mike correct Hamilton.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not great.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what's it?
[UNKNOWN]: Remember him he's like the chubby little white guy.
[UNKNOWN]: So once Mel Phillips starts talking these people is not
[UNKNOWN]: Mike Rome is on NXT now.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the guy who's like, yeah, look at my hair.
[UNKNOWN]: It's goofy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like all the fuck up dude.
[UNKNOWN]: They have some other goofball now.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the main roster stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I forget who was.
[UNKNOWN]: They had Louis and Garcia for a while there and then they hired just some.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're talking about Gavin loudspeaker.
[UNKNOWN]: So I love Gavin loudspeaker.
[UNKNOWN]: That'd be great.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm no longer with that outfit, so I have to come up with a new gimmick name.
[UNKNOWN]: What are these up to these days?
[UNKNOWN]: What we still don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably nothing good.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you mean?
[UNKNOWN]: I shouldn't have said that.
[UNKNOWN]: He's I'm sure he's doing great.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know idea.
[UNKNOWN]: No longer hosting Chikara podcast a go-go with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he's doing that anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Why did he call that a podcast?
[UNKNOWN]: It was like an eight minute YouTube's eight minutes and it was you, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a YouTube podcast a go-go.
[UNKNOWN]: Did he not understand what a podcast was at the time or what was Quack's deal?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: If you could ask, what is Quack's deal to a lot of things that I have no answer to that, so.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess, but that was, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I don't know what else to say about this match.
[UNKNOWN]: Trick, beat the shit on Ricky Saints, and then they match ended, and then they beat the shit out of him some more.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And they are the baby faces.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess, presumably.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't ever be women's United States title.
[UNKNOWN]: It's definitely Stratten vs. Jade Carkeel in one of, I mean, just, you're not gonna see many matches that are clunkier or worse than this one.
[UNKNOWN]: Well why don't we keep booking them against each other over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in over in
[UNKNOWN]: We got our two minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, then what do we do now?
[UNKNOWN]: And then they had no idea what to do for the rest of the match and then just fucking fell apart for the last five minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: And Jade is awful.
[UNKNOWN]: Tiffany is regressed and she was even very good before, but she's really regressed.
[UNKNOWN]: I think in recent years and it's just like I, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and if you just fucking beat her straight up, just fucking hit the moon salt and beater.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know what to have with Jade.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what the hell they have planned for Jade, but Jade didn't look happy either.
[UNKNOWN]: Not in the rain coming out of the rain, so.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they have a lot of confidence in Jade.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they have a little buyers remorse.
[UNKNOWN]: They've tried.
[UNKNOWN]: She isn't very good.
[UNKNOWN]: We knew she wasn't very good and we knew she wasn't going to get much better.
[UNKNOWN]: And she hasn't exactly been this massive breakout stall.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but Joe, she had aura.
[UNKNOWN]: She was her.
[UNKNOWN]: I was watching.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched the videos of her getting out of the limo.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony did as perfect as a job as you could have done.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's one of the best he's handled her.
[UNKNOWN]: That's one of his booking, you know, wins the way he handled.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, because imagine if he signed her to that deal, like, what would you do, what would she be doing in 2026?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what'd you be doing right now?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I know, yeah, just the way he used her when he had her, just, he nailed it.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, he knew there wasn't much more you could do.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it's,
[UNKNOWN]: And they've tried a lot of different things in this.
[UNKNOWN]: They tried her in a tag team.
[UNKNOWN]: They did the breakup of the tag.
[UNKNOWN]: They all the little Vek favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: They attempted with her.
[UNKNOWN]: And they just can't.
[UNKNOWN]: And now, it's just the same bad match with Tiffy over and over.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: You just said a lot of times.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know why they stole.
[UNKNOWN]: It's still rustle each other all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not surprised by this at all.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, this is what we all.
[UNKNOWN]: We've told you been talking about this for years at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's get to this main event, because we have a world title change.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not doing it until like four hours into the podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be at a little point.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the point is like, there would have been a time where Sami Zayn went into this thing would have been the lead off topic.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's not the case because this feels just so weird in whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: you missed this by like two and a half years you should have done this in Montreal in 2022 or whatever year that was when he was red hot and we listen and people can't say that this is just you know revisionists we laid out the scenario where you could have had Sammy win that match in Montreal and taking advantage of that and then still done everything to what you did in the WrestleMania and everything still you still could have made it work.
[UNKNOWN]: They chose not to strike while the iron was hot with him.
[UNKNOWN]: They put the title on him now and this doesn't feel significant or impactful or important.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like a gold watch and it feels like it was just something they shrugged their shoulders and decided to do that doesn't feel like it's gonna have any long-term impact for him or the company.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what it feels like to me.
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels like some random title changed that Vince would have done during that era where he was putting world titles on Jack Swagger and Shamison, whatever other random person when the world title never meant less.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the kind of title change this feels like.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't feel like it's particularly well earned.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't feel like it means anything.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't feel like it's leading to anything bigger.
[UNKNOWN]: It just felt random and let's shake it up and let's surprise people.
[UNKNOWN]: And those are the worst kinds of, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And sometimes you'll see like this outpouring of support or people being like, wow, that's really cool.
[UNKNOWN]: They did, it's been kind of weird.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of people are just like, I don't understand.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is really weird, like the tender, even among their fans, it's just like,
[UNKNOWN]: fucking stand up right I forget that there's that whole yeah yeah they don't like just what which is part of the reason I think Levec did it I think he's trying to leverage that like for heat or whatever but the but they he has go away he would have to finish it's not like yeah look the whole thing is weird I definitely didn't resonate in our corner of the fandom where people still
[UNKNOWN]: you know, hold, zane up to some degree as someone who they really like as a wrestler and it hasn't resonated in WWE circles, he's just kind of this whole thing is just a big shoulder shrug.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really weird.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is a total, no, and this is a total, they protect these, I mean, the Paul of that is very protective about his titles and very protective about title switches, so for this, I agree, title to be just switched in a random three way at night at champions was really weird.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I, we all kind of suspected Samu is in that match to probably take a pinfall so that going through it and have to take a clean pinfall and wrote a code you could just continue to beat him or
[UNKNOWN]: Hell, if you were going to have Goenther win the title here, he pins Sammy and then Cody can, you know, face him at summer slam until you never pin me for that title or whatever, and then just started to go with that, it's fucking have Sammy win the title.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, and well, great.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool.
[UNKNOWN]: It just, yeah, does not feel earned.
[UNKNOWN]: It didn't feel well-built.
[UNKNOWN]: It just, yeah, it's very.
[UNKNOWN]: No impact, not that full.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Not important, not like there's no burst of energy you feel from it like, oh, this is a jolt of energy into a stagnating promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: None of that.
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels like this weird.
[UNKNOWN]: like something they did for shock and it didn't really shock anyone because no one cares.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what it feels like to me.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, and and I think it's very telling that, yes, even though it's WWE and this is the flagship, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Look how deep we buried this, like we weren't even, we never considered opening up to show with this.
[UNKNOWN]: No, God don't.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it just doesn't mean all.
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels like it doesn't mean anything.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like he can lose this now at any time, like I'm robbed the fucking next Monday or how it would look like, like, you know, you know, well, that's what Vince would do with those title reigns.
[UNKNOWN]: He would put the title on those guys and he would show up at TV the next week and be like, all right, how are we going to get the title off Jack Swagger?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I don't know, Vince, you just put the title on him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, put it right.
[UNKNOWN]: You do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, yeah, you got to get the title off Jack Swagger.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, well, yeah, we agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, why did you put the title on him?
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing next to the fuck knows?
[UNKNOWN]: Go through a beat,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: You're right, though.
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny that he's not even getting the, hey, good for Sammy's.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's not.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought they were going to get that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he deserves it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's worked really hard for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's nice.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, it's a gold watch that no one cares about.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, like,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, compared to when like a rookie go toe one it out of nowhere, and like fans felt good about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, holy shit.
[UNKNOWN]: That's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: A rookie go to finally, and then they had nice little feel good title reign.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't feel like that's where this is going
[UNKNOWN]: at all.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like people are just like, yeah, this is fucking weird.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, they did that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like in real time on Twitter, like when he won it, people were just like, oh, say me saying one that's I like.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the reaction.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like really, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't, oh, great.
[UNKNOWN]: Say me saying holy shit, finally.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, they finally didn't know, because they missed it by four years, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Or three years, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that was 2022.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember, it might have been 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever, the current Sammy is not compelling in any way.
[UNKNOWN]: That, anybody would give a shit about it?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: And the match was every WWE triple threat match you've ever seen.
[UNKNOWN]: Two guys in the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: Totally non-memorable match.
[UNKNOWN]: One guy waiting outside the ring the entire time, waiting for a pinfall to happen so we could run in and break up the pinfall, or yank the referee out of the ring, and then the guy pinning the guy who can look and go, what did you do that for?
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, well, why do you think he did it to not have you win the title?
[UNKNOWN]: There's just, yeah, unremarkable, very boring match that I will never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never think about it, never
[UNKNOWN]: They do it here.
[UNKNOWN]: Could there be political reasons winning it Saudi Arabia?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe somebody requested it.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody requested it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I wasn't even going to go that far.
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, that's possible, too.
[UNKNOWN]: But maybe just, you know, throwing the very important business partners alone.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they expect to, there's, they do try to give them a little bit because there was this, when they announced WrestleMania there, I saw a lot of people be like, oh, you just do WrestleMania and Saudi Arabia, and then you do a WrestleMania here in America, and it's like, they know, they're not idiots.
[UNKNOWN]: Because the first couple of shows they did there, it was just kind of like, yeah, I was just given whatever, and then whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Like non-cannon, right.
[UNKNOWN]: But now they like, no, we want the king of the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: We want the queen of the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: We want the fucking crown jewel title.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they, they've tried to get like,
[UNKNOWN]: title switches and important things.
[UNKNOWN]: They want, they want Canon in Canon like big, so I don't know, yeah, maybe it was sort of a, we kind of want to keep this thing alive and I know you guys are running out of money and you might want to figure out what you're going to invest in moving forward.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, maybe a, how about a world title match that your fans will remember forever?
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, and honestly with the money they spend, you can't blame them for wanting things of consequence and not just,
[UNKNOWN]: You know, token shows, yeah, but this, yeah, it just feels like a weird kind of, I don't know, I don't even know.
[UNKNOWN]: No one's fired up about it.
[UNKNOWN]: No, if they were hoping this would give them a spark or something, I don't think that's the case either.
[UNKNOWN]: And I probably doesn't help that it's.
[UNKNOWN]: on one p.m. on a Saturday or whatever the fuck in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia on espion unlimited.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like what they've done to the like visibility of their product over the last couple years.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like because there's such money hungry, you can just capitalists.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Sami Zayn wins the world title on espion unlimited at one p.m. in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like what have you guys done to your product?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what is this?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and they've, you know, it's just, they've made a billion dollars with what they've done.
[UNKNOWN]: That show, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: If you combined the Saudi money of the ESPN money, what happened was that they made a billion dollars on that show, so fuck you, that's what they did.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but overall night of champions just solace, yeah, right down to what's supposed to be this great title world title change like just everything on the show is just solace and boring.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like it was a bad show with no, it was our poorly booked like poorly booked solace and boring.
[UNKNOWN]: How's that for the public biography, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Which brings us to great American Bank.
[UNKNOWN]: Speaking of Seoul isn't boring.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: The stars of NXT, we've got a, I think I kind of have to be done with NXT for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I considered pitching that after this one.
[UNKNOWN]: Should we, should we towel toss this shit?
[UNKNOWN]: I think we should towel toss the NXT for a little while.
[UNKNOWN]: But all that really means is I'm going to be doing it behind the table.
[UNKNOWN]: No, just don't, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Just don't, just don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like I have to.
[UNKNOWN]: But why?
[UNKNOWN]: It's NXT.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a big time for wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's really not though.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really not.
[UNKNOWN]: We will not lose one subscriber or one listener.
[UNKNOWN]: If you don't talk about Kendall Graham, low-law advice.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, I'm sure.
[UNKNOWN]: If it would feel weird not to cover it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll think about it you just don't want to watch this anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's what this comes down Well, I could tell you that my DVR did not pick this up It looks like a lot of people still You didn't pick it up.
[UNKNOWN]: You see the reading of this thing No one's teeny picked this up either.
[UNKNOWN]: Well listen
[UNKNOWN]: They got fucking, the rating was terrible, but here's the thing, they don't give a fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: I want people to understand this.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, people were treating that bad rating as some kind of own.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's what you get for running against AEW, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No, listen, they don't give a shit.
[UNKNOWN]: What rating this does, they knew it wasn't gonna do well.
[UNKNOWN]: All they care about is that a non-zero number of people chose this overpaying for the AEW show.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all they care about.
[UNKNOWN]: Mission accomplished, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: All they care about is that.
[UNKNOWN]: and taking any amount of headlines over the weekend away from forbidden door and AEW by splitting social media feeds.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure accounts like fight full and some of these other ones were live tweeting results and gifts and everything from both shows as opposed to just forbidden door.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure that on all the new sites and everything, the results were of both shows as opposed to just forbidden door.
[UNKNOWN]: away from AEW ensuring that AEW doesn't have full run of the headlines for that day and for the weekend and taking any amount of potential pay-per-view purchases away from AEW by presenting something for free that you don't have to pay for to wear a casual wrestling family to ask you know what
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to plunk down the 50 bucks.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got this on the CW for free.
[UNKNOWN]: And even if it was only 500 people who made that decision, which isn't going to mean anything to Tony Kahn's bottom line, it means something to them.
[UNKNOWN]: They, because it means that they're a thorn in the side and they're hurting Tony Kahn's business in some small way, both monetarily and also in the battle for public,
[UNKNOWN]: Attention and the battle for public perception and everything.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I care about.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't give a shit that 300,000 people watch this and it did a terrible number in the demo.
[UNKNOWN]: CW might care.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure CW does care.
[UNKNOWN]: But you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: They don't give a fuck with CW thinks either.
[UNKNOWN]: Because if CW doesn't like it, they'll just find some other networks from full money.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't mess that work.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll pay them a bunch of money.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't give a shit.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can sit there and mock the rating if you want, and it was a bad rating, but they don't care, because what they wanted to accomplish this weekend, they accomplished.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, anti-competition, that's all they're trying to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is why they're running two shows that they have all in.
[UNKNOWN]: They know those shows aren't going to do great.
[UNKNOWN]: The fucking eight triplet, what, triplet and NXT, you've never done it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just to take some of the attention and to ensure that when the wrestling news sites and everybody else are previewing the weekend, they have to devote two thirds of their time to those two shows as opposed to all in.
[UNKNOWN]: And it doesn't look like all in is owning the weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: And that some people might choose those two shows overpaying for all in.
[UNKNOWN]: And that'll work too.
[UNKNOWN]: To whatever degree, larger, small.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's the goal here, not to pull a number.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody in fucking Connecticut is pounded in their fist on the table saying we only did 320,000 viewers.
[UNKNOWN]: They're all high-fiving, that they were able to do this and be a thorn in Tony's side.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's what really matters in terms of the rating.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we'll see WB happy, I don't know, but they don't give a fuck anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: Someone else is gonna give them a lot of money if CW doesn't want to give it to them.
[UNKNOWN]: or at least they think so, at least they hope.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, they hope, and they think.
[UNKNOWN]: And so far, they've been right every single time that someone's wanted to give them more money every time.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is how every deal goes.
[UNKNOWN]: They sign this deal, they disappoint the rating, and then they just, you know, move on to another.
[UNKNOWN]: network pays them a shit ton of money.
[UNKNOWN]: So whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and yeah, and people need to realize that it's just it's a Santa competition.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all they're trying to do here.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not they don't give a fuck that it didn't they didn't think it was going to have a million people were going to watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: They just, yeah, they wanted a few people last, you know, a few fewer people to watch for Bindor and all the wrestling news sites to cover them throughout the weekend, and they did and they probably got exactly that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah,
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they're going to for, and they get, and you know, that's why they do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, um,
[UNKNOWN]: My DVR did not pick it up, and I downloaded the CW app.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, so I was gonna tell you, it was free on YouTube.
[UNKNOWN]: The CW uploader, yeah, I was really, so I was looking, I said CW, great American bash, and I look in its on YouTube and I'm like, what the fuck is can't be a real uploader?
[UNKNOWN]: And it was, and someone, the first comment was like, why'd you guys upload this so fast YouTube?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, why don't you want us to get your app or something like that?
[UNKNOWN]: But no, it was like commercial free on the,
[UNKNOWN]: CW's YouTube channel.
[UNKNOWN]: They've caught all the commercials.
[UNKNOWN]: I caught everything out and the whole show was there.
[UNKNOWN]: So I wish I would have known that because on the CW app, every 15 minutes on the dot, you get two minutes and 30 seconds of ads scruciating.
[UNKNOWN]: It's also the same to add.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, for an older watch, what'd you say?
[UNKNOWN]: For a VISTA print or something like that, and then the other one is like some kind of pet box steel that you order once a month or whatever, not.
[UNKNOWN]: Not uh, what's the fate?
[UNKNOWN]: Not uh, the farmer's dog or some shit like the shoey, but one of yeah, one deal like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Over and over 30 second ads repeating every 15 minutes, two minutes and 30 seconds worth.
[UNKNOWN]: Even if it's like the middle of a match, they cut in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And you get, and it's like, oh my god, this is fucking brutal.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even want to be watching this to begin with.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Tony D. Verse Nakhaku.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: for the NXT title to open up the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Is this your first taste of Morocco working in NXT House style?
[UNKNOWN]: It is, it is, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you enjoy the gimmick bump through the fucking fake set that they did though?
[UNKNOWN]: Two seconds in the match, yep.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's supposed to be impactful.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, Naraku was going, Elio and a high school football team runs through a fucking ribbon that the fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's what we're like, yeah, that's what it looks like.
[UNKNOWN]: It just makes that sound.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he breaks it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, that's what's a hurt him.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he fell into.
[UNKNOWN]: He just like fell through.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like six fans that holy shit.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a couple of people saying holy shit.
[UNKNOWN]: And it looked bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So Tony's working with his eye, I all patched up for the Nadaku fighter ball.
[UNKNOWN]: Fireball.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember the Keith Lee fireball when he opened up the killer cross book?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He opens up the book in the fire and he like, oh, he sells it all cartoonishly.
[UNKNOWN]: They went back into that bag for the Nadaku fireball.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, and it's so stupid because when Naraku Promosi goes, it's going to be evil.
[UNKNOWN]: Then just call it evil, just be evil then.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, like, what are we doing?
[UNKNOWN]: What if he's going to say evil all the time and he's going to look like evil and he's going to act like evil, just make a evil.
[UNKNOWN]: We all know he's evil.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the stupid puns and everything from Vic Joseph been like talking like like he's elbowing us in the ribs while you're this man's very evil, some say.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like,
[UNKNOWN]: He's got a very torturous style, this evil fellow here, and it's like, yeah, it's like, why are we bothering at that point?
[UNKNOWN]: We're like, we're just, this column evil, it's so stupid, like, like, like, evil is going to become the next stone cold Steve Austin, right?
[UNKNOWN]: To where you have to have that IP, yeah, like you have to have it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like...
[UNKNOWN]: Let's be honest, he's gonna call him up in four years and he's gonna work main event for another year And you're gonna cut him and he's gonna go back to New Japan and the IP for Naraku is gonna be fucking worthless anyway So what are we really doing here?
[UNKNOWN]: What are we really doing all at Naraku merch?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all that The Naraku 316 shirts.
[UNKNOWN]: They're gonna fly off the shelves.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's utterly absurd.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: So there's a total nothing match and they're working around the Angela's fucking burnt eye and He just beat some with his own sland just wins just wins at this move.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that he calls the goomad or whatever you fucking call the goomad But see he's not a fake Italian any, no, I know he's just yeah Look at individual now from Chicago
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now he's just a guy with a beard.
[UNKNOWN]: Now he's Bram.
[UNKNOWN]: Congratulations.
[UNKNOWN]: I've gone backwards from Bram, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you've gone from fake Italian.
[UNKNOWN]: You've gone from SNL, fake, and fucking mafia skit to now you have Bram.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what he is now.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we all knew he needed to repackage, but like they didn't repackage him into anything.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's like a TNA roster member from 2016.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember they had like 16 of these guys that were just white guys would be.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's rammed there was that.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, that was the one guy.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a I can't think of it.
[UNKNOWN]: There was a bunch of them.
[UNKNOWN]: There was like four or five of them on the roster at the same time Yeah a bunch of white guys would be ears like they were at least four or five They all look like bram.
[UNKNOWN]: They were all just bram.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was just bram You know clone over and over and that's what Tony D'Angelo is so this isn't working either And this is a guy who's been in developmental for like I don't know six years now at this point
[UNKNOWN]: Why don't they just go and Joey Ariola?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think that might be the play Yeah, I think just an Italian guy from Chicago in a joy area.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that might work Is name is Joey Ariola for fuck sake.
[UNKNOWN]: How is that not gonna work?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna go under Conor was who the guy I was thinking of Connor I was thinking about that my idea Yeah, there's so many That's what Tony D is now.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know the match was nothing and That's it for Naraaku.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess and I don't know where you go with him
[UNKNOWN]: the feeds take some packsley to successfully defend her North American title.
[UNKNOWN]: This was the community theater match of the night.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, they're cutting promos on each other in the ring and you were never my friend and zooming in on their faces and... Yeah, Zara.
[UNKNOWN]: Take them out, but you wanna win the title, take as you can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not strong enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody likes you and Tatum grabs her face and looks around, hopefully he likes you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, like puts her hands on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her cheeks on her
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the X-T North American, and the time with its North American title, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I dreamed of this as a child, the X-T North American women's child.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, she kind of promo, maybe it was, I forget if it was before after the match, and she, you know, said, uh, whatever interview robot was interviewing her, and she's like, I have so much loneliness and so much pain in my heart, but
[UNKNOWN]: The thing that does make me feel better every time I wake up is the NXT North American Women's Championship and the NXT Universe and I hope that one day I can win the NXT Women's North American title because I will feel whole again.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like, yeah, it's this garbage.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Tatum Taxi.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: It's our beaters and Tatum Shiver didn't whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So grab your cheeks and grab your hair and what I'm so anxious if you like this you fucking suck I want you know you're on a list.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm put you on a list and you're an idiot and you suck you like a match like this.
[UNKNOWN]: You're I can't be around you I don't want you near my kids So next up we had a Robert stone Robert stone the general center of NXT yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was this guy employed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's because for a while he looked like Tony, remember they like he clearly was just like a Tony con cosplayer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess they're still doing I maybe that's what it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's still happening, but um yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So he uh he booked the tag champs to face Wagner 3 and Galileo.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's gonna happen at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's just so happened that the the the tag champs were were there and they're talking shit and Robert songs like I don't have time for this.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a meeting and wait a minute They may have just arrived.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah, yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly who I was supposed to meet with at the exact same time You guys walked in like this is why when I went when I when I my last Thursday Dynamite review I implored and ex annexed ADW and I'm gonna keep bullying them about it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's my new thing now We got to cut the backstage segments.
[UNKNOWN]: They're just terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: They're awful.
[UNKNOWN]: They're they're
[UNKNOWN]: Inorganic, and stupid, and dumb, and worthless, and overwrought, and they've been done to death, AW doesn't need to do these anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: But they do the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi, I'm, my guess at this time, is this person who enters from the right, person from the right says, yeah, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, and then, oh my god, you're not going to believe it.
[UNKNOWN]: The person they're talking about enters from the left, and the camera's zoom's in on the person who enters from the left, and it's just like, the fucking stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: What are we doing with these anymore?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, the opening segment of Dynamite this week started off with Renee interviewing Will Osprey after he won his match at forbidden door and then it spiraled into a soap opera scene where Mox came out of a door, Renee just skiddaddled off and then Will and Mox have a little exchange.
[UNKNOWN]: then will turns and the camera turns with him and Kenny standing there and then Kenny and Will have this exchange and you could see MJF lurking inside of another doorway and then he comes out and they have an exchange and it's like this little fucking one act play
[UNKNOWN]: And they could have accomplished all that in a pro wrestling way where it was just in the context of Will's interview with Renee right you could have done all of the same things and it was a good segment that got a lot of things over But it was done in this soap opera community theater style doing the fucking ring doing the fucking ring right there.
[UNKNOWN]: Fucking hate to put on the ramp and let these people come out we don't need to have oh my god it just so happens that Kenny Omega is in this well lit hallway that we have our cameras in
[UNKNOWN]: Oh wait, here's John Moxie, who is also in this well-lit hallway that we have all of our cameras that no one's noticed in the background.
[UNKNOWN]: And nobody noticed, and nobody noticed Kenny standing there and everybody's field division pretty brightly.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fucking stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate it.
[UNKNOWN]: We just accepted it and I'm not going to accept it anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to mention more about it until people, I'm going to bully them out of it because I can't stand it anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So uh, but this NXT stuff is like straight out of a 2007 SmackDown, where like either Stephanie, whoever the fucking authority figure happens to be at that moment, whether it's Stephanie McMahon or Mr. McMahon or fucking William Regal or fucking any long, whoever it happens to be or they're talking to their backstage in the hammering out into themselves or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: And then person enters from the right.
[UNKNOWN]: We zoom in on the person who enters from the right.
[UNKNOWN]: They hit the fake sheer button.
[UNKNOWN]: But I gotta hit the bitch here, but yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you doing here?
[UNKNOWN]: It's a person's name.
[UNKNOWN]: You know why I'm here, William Riegel.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm here because I want a world title shot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, we just, this is it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, it's been that way for so long.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's decepted.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, Robert Stone booked a tag team title match.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can't wait.
[UNKNOWN]: And this week's, oh, it's already happened, but I'm not gonna ask it though.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, oh, I don't, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Tuesday.
[UNKNOWN]: Happy to know Tuesday.
[UNKNOWN]: So you tuned in, what happened?
[UNKNOWN]: I missed, I missed this week's.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you missed it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my DVR didn't pick it up.
[UNKNOWN]: So we go outside to the Great American Bash, what they call it, something but the control center, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: The party where they're in a party outside.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, because they can take her growing, right?
[UNKNOWN]: With Le Greco and Kevin Owens.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what that one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's so good.
[UNKNOWN]: So Le Greco goes, I don't know about you, Kevin, but that last match with Zaria and Taneham Paxley was one of the matches of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you see Kevin's face, Kevin?
[UNKNOWN]: It was just like, yeah, he wanted to say something.
[UNKNOWN]: But, but he couldn't like he, he's like, I can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You're right, Dave.
[UNKNOWN]: That was one of the greatest match of that.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, uh, and then just nodded.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, and sure that was one of the matches of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I'm going to stay on record right now here on July 2nd, 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: I would be starting to sorry on Tatum Paxley.
[UNKNOWN]: Makes our match theor list.
[UNKNOWN]: Top 250 or whatever the fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's make it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's getting a vote, but maybe if David Grecker gets a ballot, he'll vote for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I would like someone to challenge him at the end of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: David Grecker, in July or June, you said a match was one of the best matches of the year, which match did you say?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he did watch Zario, all those years in Australia.
[UNKNOWN]: I literally demonstrated that was.
[UNKNOWN]: We had another, so a Nicky Blackheart debut on NXT this week.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't watch, I saw a gift or a video of it.
[UNKNOWN]: She debuted and it's the thing that they did with Ricky Starks, where they don't, for some reason, they need debut people, but they don't have their names.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Victor Joseph's got to be like, oh, that's we all know that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the other.
[UNKNOWN]: Forget the other announcer was like, it's her.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, she's one of the biggest stars at wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: We all know who that is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you all know who it is Nikki Blackheart who the fuck's Nikki Blackheart?
[UNKNOWN]: You don't know who is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just some woman.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, okay But they put her over like she was the best.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and like with Zario where like the bully did you see her?
[UNKNOWN]: I saw her all I saw it Dave you know who that was Dave.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I did bully
[UNKNOWN]: They're having the barbecue bash outside.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a great American bash.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Got a hint, can take on the grill.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But they're perfectly, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I think Zarya and Tatan packs right there with Funk and Flare for 89.
[UNKNOWN]: I just watched.
[UNKNOWN]: I bet it's there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, did you?
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I am going to rate.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know what?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to, I'll have a new red-white and bruised out very soon.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll have to find out on that show, if I think Rick Flare and Terry Funk from Great Omega.
[UNKNOWN]: 89, or Zarya, Tatan.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Refreshing my phone, seriously.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on vacation.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so, all right, we got to do this now.
[UNKNOWN]: Shile over Tristan Angels.
[UNKNOWN]: My least favorite wrestler in the world is Shile over Hell.
[UNKNOWN]: I promise the audience we're not making up a word of this.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: No, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything that we're going to say is 100% truthful.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I have threatened in the past to do NXT reviews where we make something up just to see if anyone notices.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not made up.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to just tell you that right off the top.
[UNKNOWN]: Shilohill goes underneath the ring at one point in this match.
[UNKNOWN]: He just slithers under the ring because he's a weird guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Tristan Angel goes outside the ring looking for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Gonna follow him, yeah, get him.
[UNKNOWN]: So Shiloh or somebody grabs him by the legs.
[UNKNOWN]: Horn swaggle style and drags them under the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: Tristan Angel is like digging his nails into the bag.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm being dragged under the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: So this man gets dragged under the ring and wouldn't she know it there's a camera underneath.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and they cut to it, they luckily the director's like, wait, that's why that camera's here perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we've been putting this camera under the ring for years.
[UNKNOWN]: We've made a lot of fun to camera, it's 27.
[UNKNOWN]: But hi, I can't believe it.
[UNKNOWN]: Camera's 27, you're on.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a gold mic.
[UNKNOWN]: Not only did we cut to the camera, there was like mood lighting.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just blue mood lighting under there.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's also very weird that they would light the under the ring and put a camera there.
[UNKNOWN]: It was lit up like, like, so much trunk in 1996 who had like a system that only played bass, like when you put the lights in there with it.
[UNKNOWN]: You're too happy with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's under the same age as him a friend that had one of those and he would get in a car and you couldn't even hear the song like what song is it?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is annoying.
[UNKNOWN]: Could be what?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: Just the bass.
[UNKNOWN]: Just shaking the whole car.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what song are we listening to right now?
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone in the neighborhood hates you because like, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You just the whole car shaking.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a whole car.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we need this?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this necessary?
[UNKNOWN]: You can't hear each other.
[UNKNOWN]: You're inviting theft.
[UNKNOWN]: You're just begging someone to break into your car and steal your stupid speakers.
[UNKNOWN]: And that friend always wants to tell you all about, oh, I got these subwoofers now, and I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: Not only do I not care, I don't know what any of these words mean.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know about your 16 inch subwoofer.
[UNKNOWN]: It means nothing to me is well, you may as well speak to you in foreign language.
[UNKNOWN]: Just so uninteresting and also annoying.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, under the ring with the blue mood lighting, there is no bass playing though.
[UNKNOWN]: That would have really set the scene if there was some obnoxious bass playing.
[UNKNOWN]: But then he phone rings.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a cell phone under the ring as well.
[UNKNOWN]: It's strange.
[UNKNOWN]: And I had like, uh, what was the ring tone?
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot the ring tone, but it was very loud.
[UNKNOWN]: I, yeah, I was just a standard ring tone, I guess, but the phone starts ringing underneath this, he's under the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: So of course, Tristan Angels answers the phone, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Because why wouldn't you answer the phone?
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, you're under the ring and they're blue, mood lighting on camera.
[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna answer that phone, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: So he answers the phone and he's talking about the phone and then a mast demon appears behind him and drags him away further underneath the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the next shot is Tristan Angels back out from underneath the ring and then Shilohill is hiding behind him and I guess the idea is we don't we're not supposed to know how Shilohill got out from under the ring because we never saw him come out from under the ring.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: what was with the mast demon and then a constant.
[UNKNOWN]: What the fuck am I watching?
[UNKNOWN]: And the guy, he answered the phone and the guy said something.
[UNKNOWN]: Luckily we had a microphone hooked up to the random phone that was underneath the ring with the blue lighting that has the camera under it.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was like, uh, uh, uh, darkness was coming, or the character's tears.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the demon came and took them away.
[UNKNOWN]: But he didn't really take them away because then he was just outside the ring and shallow hill was standing behind him.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: What the fuck is this garbage?
[UNKNOWN]: We can't watch this anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: This has been ethos We can't this is can't be watched anymore We're too good at this to be watching this shit There's too many too much other wrestling to watch is there there's Q-shoe pro There's there's not much else, but it has to be something else
[UNKNOWN]: We could have watched Joe Dorrigan swam again.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to just not do these NXT shows.
[UNKNOWN]: This is garbage.
[UNKNOWN]: This is terrible television.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, you said there's grown men that watch the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And they're like, oh man, that's just an angel.
[UNKNOWN]: It's really an article.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, we can't be on the same wavelength as those people.
[UNKNOWN]: We can't watch the same things as those people.
[UNKNOWN]: It's insulting to me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's beneath us.
[UNKNOWN]: is a phone under the ringing a demon.
[UNKNOWN]: What is he supposed to be?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I run out of ways to come on here and talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Shilohill is supposed to be like, we're supposed to think he's a demon.
[UNKNOWN]: Because then like he does, he cuts his promos afterwards.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just like, oh, college, he will occurs.
[UNKNOWN]: I just am so happy to be in NXT.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they were supposed to think that he's got a dark side to him.
[UNKNOWN]: because him and Tatum, Paxley, you know, they're best buds, spooky, yeah, and she's a spooky woman.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not going to believe it.
[UNKNOWN]: In wrestling, they said, all right, what are we going to do with this woman?
[UNKNOWN]: I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: Spooky woman.
[UNKNOWN]: Make her gotth.
[UNKNOWN]: It really bold strategy here in this world of wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's have a spooky woman.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't know what the fuck that was, but I hated it.
[UNKNOWN]: Women's speed title rents and clear defeats are on a grace and I'm watching this thinking to myself I wish NXT was just a speed promoted Yeah, and all these matches.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's all they all be speed matches Tips are with 15 seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, love it in and out.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish they were all speed matches just do all speed matches up and down the card We get a history of great American bash highlight package again
[UNKNOWN]: little flare funk, maybe war games, no.
[UNKNOWN]: What we got were a great American Bash NXT style highlights of matches that nobody fucking remembers, but they have completely solid and destroyed the name of the Great American Bash.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a disgusting, yeah, it's absolutely disgusting what they've done to the Great American Bash.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm just hating my life and existence at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: and there's three matches left.
[UNKNOWN]: But thankfully it was the three best matches and they were at least decent.
[UNKNOWN]: Shea, shea, Quan, sugars, defeats Dion Lenox.
[UNKNOWN]: Well worked.
[UNKNOWN]: The problem with Dion Lenox as he has no charisma.
[UNKNOWN]: No, God, yeah, he's a zilch.
[UNKNOWN]: A complete zilch in the charisma department.
[UNKNOWN]: Sugar's, he's got a little bit of charisma and crowd connection.
[UNKNOWN]: Lenox has none.
[UNKNOWN]: I think sugar's as an actual worker.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that, because that wasn't that the old impetus for the dark state.
[UNKNOWN]: Break up is that one of these guys were like an indie worker.
[UNKNOWN]: There's this lucky alley from yeah, oh, that's Yeah, he's lucky alley.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so he's got like actual wrestling in sticks.
[UNKNOWN]: D on Linux does not because he's just an NIL Athlete or whatever that they're trying to make a WW super star, but he doesn't have the he's playing for wrestler He's playing for wrestler and he has no charisma whatsoever Sugar's came from the Indies.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot he was lucky alley.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and he was a high level indie guy so That all tracks
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then they did the finish was a disaster.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even know what they were going for, but they screwed it up and, uh, sugar is one.
[UNKNOWN]: It was so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what they were going for.
[UNKNOWN]: and then they just did a post-match attack and this feud must continue.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, great.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, they forgot that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, sick one sugar's pins down lyrics, one, two, three, and, in fact, Joseph's like, say, well, it gets his revenge and then right as he does that, the dark state just beats the fuck out of him.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they just beat the fuck out of him, beat the fuck out of him, and then that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm just like, yep, that's great.
[UNKNOWN]: So why did he have to win this match?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's like, we talk about this all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: We're nobody in rest, they're so determined to get everybody over that nobody ever gets over.
[UNKNOWN]: It gets over.
[UNKNOWN]: And also Bay of Faces, we have terrible Bay of Faces today's wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: This guy wins the match, and within five seconds he's beaten down by the heels, and nobody comes out.
[UNKNOWN]: No other Bay of Faces come out.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got no friends.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just a lonely loser that just gets his ass kicked by five heels.
[UNKNOWN]: Miles Born defeats Tavion Heights, NXT North American title.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, like this match.
[UNKNOWN]: It was good.
[UNKNOWN]: It was fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Cage match hated it.
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't believe I went to Cage match.
[UNKNOWN]: And they were like, yeah, it was like 5.6 or something.
[UNKNOWN]: That was like, really?
[UNKNOWN]: It's just really, they just must not like the people that rate and they don't want to see like grappling or wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: That was at like high level grappling.
[UNKNOWN]: No, was it high level wrestling?
[UNKNOWN]: No, but God damn it compared to some of this other stuff on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: is good.
[UNKNOWN]: It is all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Miles Boren doesn't do the Randy Orton Cosplay anymore, which is good.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm thankful.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not around when Vincent's in control.
[UNKNOWN]: Could you imagine what Vincent would do with a deaf guy who talks like a deaf guy?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Jesus, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't even imagine what that would be like.
[UNKNOWN]: He's what?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, scooot's up in his chair when somebody imagines it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No way.
[UNKNOWN]: Although the boy watched this show with me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I explained to him that Miles Born is deaf.
[UNKNOWN]: And he inadvertently came up with a great gimmick.
[UNKNOWN]: He, because he's not smartened up, he doesn't know that it's a work.
[UNKNOWN]: So he asked me a question I couldn't answer.
[UNKNOWN]: He said, Daddy, if this guy's deaf, how does he understand the referees instructions or when the referees tell them something?
[UNKNOWN]: I said it's a really good question.
[UNKNOWN]: who uses the fact that he's deaf to play dumb.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, I didn't hear the rep, like you should cheat.
[UNKNOWN]: And the rep, like he can't, the rep can't come.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's got the guy in the warps and the ruffles like one, two, three, four, five, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff, ruff,
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, no, what are you trying to say?
[UNKNOWN]: That's great, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, as I cringe at the possibility of Vince getting his hands on this guy, I propose a guy, which is pretty much of Vince would do, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Really walking the line of what Vince would do, yes, correct.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's good heat.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, wrestling was still wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: See, that's what they would do.
[UNKNOWN]: Because what I'm proposing is, born knows what he's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, you see what I'm saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, born is taking advantage of the fact that people think he can't hear the rough.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: So, um, but I couldn't answer the analysis could be like, Oh, come on.
[UNKNOWN]: He knows what five.
[UNKNOWN]: They exactly said five.
[UNKNOWN]: He's solely up to five.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, Yeah, the healing out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, he's he's definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Come on.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to show them some grace here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the refreshing, those sign language, if he's going to communicate with an NXT North American champion miles born.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm in born born is like, you know, he knows what he's doing.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's being a shithead.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Kendall Gray, Lola vice.
[UNKNOWN]: thought it might be the best match on the show, might have been, I don't know, I, I think, see, I didn't really think anything on the show was very good and I didn't think this was very good, either.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, if I was going to tell somebody, you've got to see this Kendall Gray, I don't think this is the match at point.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I didn't think.
[UNKNOWN]: No, they try to work this in a very deliberate WWE main event style and I think that actually was the detriment of both these women.
[UNKNOWN]: who are who are I think both them have a lot of talent are both pretty good but they're they're good at doing like dynamic stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: This was a very slow methodical and then got a little too like kick out heavy at the end or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I would not have done that.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have just had because Kendall's really good in small bursts, but maybe she's not there yet for these 15 minute main event tile matches.
[UNKNOWN]: I, yeah, this, I didn't think she was that impressive in this match.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, I'm watching these two wrestled on thinking low devices way ahead of her and better right now, but the match underwhelmed to me.
[UNKNOWN]: So I didn't think it was a bad match.
[UNKNOWN]: I just thought it underwhelmed.
[UNKNOWN]: What's kind of boring?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's kind of boring?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what's kind of boring.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, Kendall Gray, it's great American bash, which is cosplay and Kurt Angle.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, he's wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is so funny.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I can't.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you see a couple days prior that she did an interview when she goes, I don't want people to think of Kurt Angle and they think of me and then comes out two days later.
[UNKNOWN]: They dress as like Kurt Angle, I great American bash, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, they can't help themselves.
[UNKNOWN]: These wrestlers, it's just,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a guess it's that generation's culture.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what else to chalk it up to anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: But it goes all the way back to like Ray Mysterio Jr. was doing it fucking 15 years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, underwhelming.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you've heard all kinds of overwhelming praise for Kendall Gray, this is not the one to parachute into, I don't think, because I don't, I think you would watch this and come away thinking, ah,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, she didn't look that special to me.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't seem that like, she's really good at the in-ring like the charisma in the ring too of, you know, take it and put the straps down and scream in and really interact with the fans throughout.
[UNKNOWN]: She just kind of wrestled here.
[UNKNOWN]: She's kind of wrestled very methodically throughout this.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I agree, this would probably not be the one.
[UNKNOWN]: that I would recommend anybody in a little disappointing because yeah, I thought this was, you know, I knew that I knew the result and I was like, all right, cool, you know, I've seen a couple of revolve matches.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen a couple of the other matches and I obviously I'm like, most people that have watched it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, yeah, there's a lot of talent here and there's definitely a future something here, but it just wasn't it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you said, Lola Vite, you come away saying, Lola Vite is like, you know, pretty far ahead of where Kelly is right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you know what, she's the one working all over the world.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, you know what, you can definitely see the benefit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: for a little advice.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she's not working with, you know, super workers there in the AAA.
[UNKNOWN]: We've been through this, but yeah, but different crowds and she's getting reps, reps, reps, reps, all about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Working different styles and then you learn and you incorporate things and and yeah, you get the reps and it becomes second nature and all of those things.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think they're both going to be stars on the main roster.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Kendall Gray is kind of undeniable.
[UNKNOWN]: I just didn't, wasn't wildly impressed to know.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is not yet.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not going to put her on the, I mean, she's the NXT champion at age 22 or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Look.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She's going to be pushed a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the start of the mega push and they're doing other things with low device now rage.
[UNKNOWN]: You and your did promise low device defend in this title in Mexico.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know what's going to happen there.
[UNKNOWN]: Those reporters better get on his case next week on AAA on Fox parentheses Latin America.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a that's triple a general manager rames theory talk about right that's right of course Yeah every brand got a high level because he was in high level meetings with the GMs of the other brands You see So I don't know who the oh, I did Robert stone Robert stone I guess he was in negotiation because galino and fucking Wagner three showed up Yeah, right right so
[UNKNOWN]: But what's what's Reagan added this now.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not getting the NXT women's champion anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he didn't get dates on her.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't get dates on her.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got to talk to Stanley Blackburn and get some dates.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he better go to the end of UA president and complain about this because he's getting the wrong to the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: It's getting really Dennis Carluso here for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt about it.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was NXT.
[UNKNOWN]: I hated the first half of this show so much.
[UNKNOWN]: It's everything I hate about wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: The Rock Hood going through the paper wall.
[UNKNOWN]: Zaria and Tate and Paxley doing the community theater match, which was honestly my least favorite match on the whole show.
[UNKNOWN]: Because the the whole thing with the phone under the ring into demon is just so over the top loony to serve.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that like Zaria and Paxley upset me more because
[UNKNOWN]: That's like my least favorite kind of match in all the pro wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you do a move and then you yell at your opponent like you're never gonna be the NXT or the American women's champion ever again.
[UNKNOWN]: Just this fake emotion bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: This whole I'm sorry I love you guard that that is the most damaging pro wrestling match in modern wrestling history.
[UNKNOWN]: The I'm sorry I love you.
[UNKNOWN]: Shawn Michaels Rick Flair match and that finish because it has inspired all of the fucking shit like this that has come after it.
[UNKNOWN]: Seriously, many people would step into a time machine and maybe kill a brutal dictator, go meet their great-grandparent.
[UNKNOWN]: I would stop that match from happening.
[UNKNOWN]: You'd be in the room.
[UNKNOWN]: I would do.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sean would pitch that and you go, yeah, I don't think that's going to work.
[UNKNOWN]: I would somehow stop that match from happening.
[UNKNOWN]: And it would have eliminated so many awful matches and wrestling history.
[UNKNOWN]: They could take, well, I was going to say, you could take flare-out for drinks the night before that's not going to stop him.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: You could take Sean out for drinks the night before.
[UNKNOWN]: At that point is career.
[UNKNOWN]: There'd be some way to figure it out, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: I convinced Tommy Dreamer to go through with his plan or something.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't even know if that's the right mania, it doesn't matter if it's not at all.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's like, let the joke hang.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let the joke hang.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, there'd be something I would do to make sure that that match never happens.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I would do with the power of a time machine.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, that's NXT.
[UNKNOWN]: I hated the first half.
[UNKNOWN]: Second half was just, I don't know, fine, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: The last three matches were okay.
[UNKNOWN]: if that's what NXT was, it would be a lot less annoying, might not be much more interesting, but it'd be a lot less annoying if the second half of this show was what it was.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that's it, I think we're out of topics.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we're out of topics, and we're out of time here on the flagship.
[UNKNOWN]: So Joe is off next week, he'll be off to Cincinnati to watch his beloved red.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have fun with that, enjoy.
[UNKNOWN]: your trip to Cincinnati and I will be back on the flagship next week in some former fashion.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I'm going to do a solo show if I'll have some special guests.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll figure it out back next week with the flagship and also the Thursday Dynamite Review.
[UNKNOWN]: I will be covering.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, do not think since show is gone that that's going to end the content.
[UNKNOWN]: It will not.
[UNKNOWN]: He is a Saturday is going to be doing stuff up until Tuesday.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that is it for us.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm Rich.
[UNKNOWN]: That is Joe.
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