[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Wes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you know that bourbon has a minimum age requirement of two years?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I don't think that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I didn't think it was right either until I talked to a brand rep that was Adamant that it was true.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to find out the truth about bourbon age requirements, then stick around.
[SPEAKER_01]: out on a date with your wife and then there's somebody who's talking and you and your wife can both hear them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the person says something that your wife knows that you know is wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: And your wife looks at you like, do not make a click this person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not correct this person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: OK. Well, usually about Bible stuff or religion.
[SPEAKER_02]: What's the service?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for me, it's about whiskey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's where we had gone into a liquor store.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this woman, who she was a good kind,
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, she had enough passion to go out and try to research.
[SPEAKER_01]: She knew about her product and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't just somebody that they hired that doesn't care about whiskey.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was trying to promote the brand and she's trying to get us to taste, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember the name of the brand and even if I did, I wouldn't tell you, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I said to her how old is this whiskey?
[SPEAKER_01]: because it tasted youthful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, oh, it's three and a half years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I picked up the bottle, and I started looking at the bottle, and I said, well, where's the age statement?
[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, oh, it doesn't need one.
[SPEAKER_01]: because it's age two years and I was like, well, if it's age for less than four years it has to have an age state, and then she was like, the only rule is that bourbon has to be age for two years and I'm like, no, no, bourbon doesn't have to be age for any particular amount of time, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'm like now straight, Marvin has BH for at least two years, but Marvin doesn't have any HP requirements, and if it's, you know, if it's under four years, then it's got to have an H statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so she starts arguing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, the other day, I think the last episode we released was the one where you were like, well, you were the expert, and I looked at the camera and I was like, I am not an expert, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, so it turns out that if you call me an expert or in this environment, I will argue with you, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I get into a situation where I'm arguing over TTV regulations and standards of identity and color requirements, all of a sudden I expect everybody to respect my authority and I'm literally in this, I'm locked in this ridiculous in my wife so I was like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: God, I'm locked in this ridiculous argument and I'm like, I have started two brands of whiskey I should make color purples and I have a bourbon podcast and blah, blah, blah, blah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, yeah, that's, you just wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, fine, Google it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I Google it and I pull it up and I show it to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, you can't trust AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh man, the only thing on Google is AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm a nerd and I keep a copy of the standards of identity, say, of course you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my Google Drive, so I pull up the standards of identity and I showed her in the code where it says that I was right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she still said, well, I still think you're wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe she's tuned in and I hope she is.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you are, she did look at the channel.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, maybe she's just watching right now and we can further educate a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's get into some of the details then.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the minimum age?
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, does that label the age statement or not?
[SPEAKER_02]: All these questions, let's jump right in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before, obviously, we have to have disclaimers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you in a attorney?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, neither am I.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're not going to legal advise.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're just simply reading the federal rules as they clearly state online, where it's not AI's people that made them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will warn you that the federal rules do not clearly state.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of the issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you have to, you have to kind of read between the lines, but the biggest misunderstanding the lot of people have.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that bourbon has to be aged for two years is that they don't understand that there's two different categories Right, there's that the bourbon category and there's the straight bourbon category.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and the bourbon category Doesn't have a minimum age statement and the straight bourbon category does have a two-year minimum age
[SPEAKER_01]: but they're not the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's talk about what makes bourbon bourbon, and this is according to 27 CFR 5.143C2.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to look it up, you can go look it up, but what makes a bourbon a bourbon?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be made in a fermented mash containing at least 51%.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least 51%.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the mash will have to have at least 51% corn.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be distilled at like 160 or less.
[SPEAKER_01]: 160 or less, you can't go up to like 180 if you get to 190 of Faka.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be in a new...
[SPEAKER_02]: charred oak container.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's a important word to our container container.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when it goes into that container, it's got to be at 125 proof for less or less.
[SPEAKER_02]: And let's see what else can't be bottled in less than 80 proof can't be less than 80 proof.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and
[SPEAKER_01]: What's not in the definition though?
[SPEAKER_01]: A bourbon?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is a shame.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you saving it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you know the beer, perhaps, blue ribbon?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: They one time as a joke made a bourbon that was aged for 10 seconds or something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they just,
[SPEAKER_01]: poured the distillate into a new chart of Merrill and then dumped it out and bottled it as a joke as the joke and John's Bourbon and Lee Lee Lee it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it does say anything about you know two years blah blah blah right
[SPEAKER_01]: So, very important distinction, bourbon could be very super young.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason why you don't see bourbons that are that young is because they don't taste great and barrels are expensive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so typically you're going to see people age for a little bit longer, but if you're in an environment where the whisky's interacting with the wood,
[SPEAKER_01]: And in a different way, you may have lower HDDs by necessity like we do here in Texas.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you may not like a 10 or 12 year old age-stated whiskey that was aged the entire time in Texas because it would be very Oki.
[SPEAKER_01]: A whiskey troll is a person who seeks negative attention and uses contrary and attitudes to derail civil discussion and online forums.
[SPEAKER_01]: They communicate in ways they never would face to face because they're keyboard warriors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their only goal is to make other people feel inferior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got my first blatant.
[SPEAKER_01]: And trust me, you probably paid way too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care much about the blans, but nice f**k. There's no way that she didn't buy that at secondary f**k idiot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I know how you got that bottle.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so what makes, like I guess the difference for clarification, that was bourbon, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just straight bourbon straight bourbon.
[SPEAKER_02]: What makes it turn from bourbon to straight bourbon?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so this is from the 27 CFR 5.22 B1 3.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and so whisky that meets the bourbon standard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so all the stuff we already said plus plus it must be stored for a period of two plus years and then new chart of container Age at least two years and and then it could be a straight bourbon whiskey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so there's nothing about no age statements on labels yet
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, that's the important thing and that's what causes people confusion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, is all bourbon whiskey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's all whiskey bourbon.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, there's where the confusion comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, because the age statement requirements They actually apply to a more Jim bro category that whiskey's a part of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, gotcha.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and so this is from section 27 CFR 5.40 A
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is for domestic and foreign whiskey right domestic and foreign whiskey that's being sold in the United States It says if all of the whiskey is four years old or more Okay, okay, the statement of age is optional.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, okay, and so you're not gonna go to bourbon and it says It doesn't need to be a certain amount of age or it does need to be a certain amount of age or
[SPEAKER_01]: at this age it has to stand on the label where it doesn't because it's in this section of the code that deals more generally with the higher level category.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, and that's where the confusion comes.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's where it comes because if it's a straight bourbon it had to have been aged at least two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so you have that less than four, but over two, that period of time, that's where you have to stay on the label.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's a straight bourbon,
[SPEAKER_01]: So it says, as to all other whiskeys, the age of the youngest parent must be stated on the label.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if it's over four, you don't have to say anything, but for all whiskeys, under four, the age must be stated on the label.
[SPEAKER_01]: All whiskeys, all whiskeys, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it becomes a little bit confusing, but you end up with these different categories, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a simple breakdown.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's zero to four years old, and it is a bourbon, it has to have an aid statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's bourbon, it's straight bourbon, it doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has to have an aid statement if it's zero to four because of the whiskey standard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it could be bourbon, it could be straight bourbon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but if it is between zero and two years old,
[SPEAKER_01]: it can only be permanent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It can't be straight permanent.
[SPEAKER_01]: If it's too to four years old, it could be straight permanent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I don't know if that is as clear as mud or not.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're, we're giving you this information, not so that you can go around to be a know it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And and get just a stupid argument like that and make the wife mad at dinner.
[SPEAKER_02]: although sometimes that can be fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: But because we want you to understand when you're reading labels and when you're buying verb and as a verb and connoisseur, that you know what you need to be looking for.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know when you look at a label and it doesn't have an A statement on there, it's probably older than four years old or fits into those other categories that we just described.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is to help you as a consumer, not as a debater.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and to her credit, I did find the A statement
[SPEAKER_01]: It can be a little bit fun to be nerdy and to get into those nerd areas of understanding the spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it makes it more fun when you're drinking it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: So next time when someone says to you, hey, Burman's got to be aged for
[SPEAKER_02]: more than two years you can politely say you're incorrect and now you have some information to show them that maybe we'll help them to be educated as well but all that and good fun not to create arguments because that's what we're kind of anti here at Bourbon Real Talk is we want troll free abrasive free environment over here where people can just
[SPEAKER_02]: talk about what they're at or they're at their journey and not feel like they're going to get corrected and yelled at and made fun of for not knowing some things that they should.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, of course whiskey's great and it's fun to learn about it and all that stuff, but really whiskey doesn't matter people matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I lost the love on the suicide and I saw how he was missing some of the social connections in his life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not really about whiskey, but it's about that connection and that's a beautiful stuff that we see in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: We learned something else about seeing that negativity online, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only did we need a good forum, but we figure, if those people can hate strangers online, there's nothing that keeps us from loving them, and that's why we end every episode of the same way in that's this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see you next time on Bourbon Real Talk.
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