[SPEAKER_01]: We are back on takedown and Paul Fontaine, just recently finished watching Redemption, so we can talk about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're also gonna talk about Summerslam.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem, the problem with doing shows like this when it comes to previews, I essentially have to have the same conversation three different times, so I'll do it here, on takedown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you and I are coming back on the fighting podcast on the F4W online YouTube channel.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll do another version of a preview.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm going to talk about it with Dave again on Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll do this one a little bit different from the norm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had an idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to basically look at the entire card and go from least interested to most interested with the matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paul and I will have our own different list.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'll get to hear what both of us are interested in.
[SPEAKER_01]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's that's that's that's the hard part little little bit of like a, you know, when you're thinking about running down, you're thinking about ideas like you, I do not want to do the same like I can imagine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Alvarez, how he's got to cover like the same show essentially two times, you know, pretty much every night actually just listen to both of his recaps of the show redemption, just like just now, literally.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anybody does it differently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, he's the alpha lead on one of the shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is kind of like the person who leads Dave into having his thoughts on the other one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get your thoughts on redemption.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy and I, we covered it on the fight game podcast Sunday nights.
[SPEAKER_01]: If anyone wants to listen to my thoughts, who hasn't heard my thoughts, you can go ahead and do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go just, uh, you can check that out.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's for free on the Afford W Online YouTube channel, uh, but give me your thoughts on the five hour paper view, which became the lame duck paper view of the year,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I mean, you just, the last, like, five hour paper view, that's my main takeaway.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, very few shows need to be five hours long.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I would argue maybe none, but I mean, if there was going to be one maybe the biggest show of the year, so like all in could be five hours, this show, which was, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: the other than, you know, the one show-long angle that was pretty important for all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: But even then, it was for all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't for this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, the matches themselves were like, they were like really long TV matches, but they were like basically almost like TV matches, a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say like half the matches on the show could have been on any random episode of collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't think you're going to get that sweatshirt, uh, but in a bad detail match on many TV shows, but we have seen TV matches that good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we just, you know, see them with commercials.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the bucks and the bucks one was the one I was most looking forward to going in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they did an interview in the middle of the show where Osprey said, ah, that match didn't mean anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: It, you know, it had no stakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't lying, but he, you don't have to tell you the fans that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then, Moxley says, ah, doesn't matter that we lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll win next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, and then somebody else say, oh, he's just, you know, that's a company athlete, just trying to shrug off a loss.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're telling your fans what you just saw doesn't matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's really important is the match work to show we're going to have next month.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee you, most AEW fans did not take it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but that's how I took it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I know you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that Will also said, you know, oh, the match doesn't mean anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he literally said those words.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but if you look at it from his perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is a rut.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a wrestling match between two teams that was an encounter.
[SPEAKER_01]: because, right, one of them is a great tag team and Will Osprey and Moxley needed a match on this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he would he saying is John Moxley, you're insane, right, for caring this much about hurting this guy when this match was not life or death.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right, I agree with them, like I don't think that this match was life or death.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not getting up, but then what it did was
[SPEAKER_00]: a big match that we wouldn't normally get on TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting like the best tag team of all time against the top two singles guys in a W possibly right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, certainly the best wrestler currently going and then, you know, in Moxley, who is going to win the title is right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they could have put some stakes on this match.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, had it be a number one contenders match.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know and then at least it's got stakes and then you know and but then we're will to tell us to remind us there's other things he could have said like you know he's a man he's got a family you know like stuff like that we're friends you know whatever but to for him to say oh the match to had no stakes it's like so just kind of let me off like I was invested in this and now you just kind of took that all the way from me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the point was to show how insane Moxley was not to take away the importance of the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the end of it, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: will may have not been the smartest guy by the end of the show, but he was absolutely right by the end of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: The death writers completely overreacted and he was there to say like cool it guys like like this we do not have to take it this far.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is ridiculous like and I think as the fans like if you are a fan of the baby faces, you probably think of it through Will's eyes
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, then Omega comes in and he kind of takes advantage of a whills kindness or whatever in that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't like I didn't mind the Kenny part.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually liked that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you, I'll explain why.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the will part like to me, it just kind of like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did it take this guy four months to figure out what we all knew the second that the death writer's kidnapped him tried to put him out of action gave him a a brainbuster on the ramp Get piled piled pulmenizes neck, you know, did all this stuff to him and then he goes to them for help and we all said the whole time why are you doing this it's stupid you know, you're why do you trust these guys and then at the end of the day he doesn't
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but that's supposed to be part of the story, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a dumb story, then.
[SPEAKER_01]: To me, like I was like, well, he was, he was trusting them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was learning their trust.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he had, he had a battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: He needed to overcome something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he turned to somebody he didn't trust, but who could help him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's a dichotomy of human there.
[SPEAKER_01]: The good and the bad are very clear distinctions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes, I think if you watch a movie, often, the best movies are when the pro-tagotists has a decision to make.
[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes, maybe leans a little bit in the wrong direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, as part of that journey, overcomes and admits his failures and then that helps him rise to the occasion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's what this story is.
[SPEAKER_01]: The part about the moxie thing, I think, and I would agree with you, that's a little hard to swallow is how hard they went after him and took him out of action originally.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm not sure if that was originally supposed to be part of the story, but will had a neck injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to go away anyways, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the part of where he did trust them a little bit in the beginning, like he was skeptical, but they earned it, earned it, earned it,
[SPEAKER_01]: And now what they showed him was their true colors, and he was like, okay, I trust you up to this level, I got out it, but here's the other part, I got out of it, everything I needed to get out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't need you guys anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: So from the death writers perspective, they might look at this guy as, oh, you're not somebody I can trust, like we thought you were with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are two perspectives here, but I think we see it through the perspective of
[SPEAKER_01]: will aspirate and a lot of times we see it through the perspective of are you a smart baby face or a stupid baby face?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think by the end of it will will look like a smart baby face, but this is just another hurdle in that story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess, I mean, and then the other part of this two is this whole redemption storyline of John Moxley that took us through the continental classic and into the beginning of this year when the death riders were like baby phases,
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, I mean, the last six months has been them, you know, literally segment to segment going back and forth between baby faces and heels and me as a viewer, like not having a clue, you know, and yeah, I get what you're saying like shades of gray or, you know, like the baby, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Baby face is going to the bad side and you're having to make a decision on all that and I just to me it's just too much like this is this is pro wrestling and it's not supposed to be that complicated and if people liked that great you know what then this story is for you it just it to me it didn't work I in I'll tell you what yeah and you know I I don't fall in love with these stories in general I'm just trying to see it through the vision that it is being told and
[SPEAKER_01]: When I was watching the Kenny Omega match, and I was watching how much of this match he was taking from Kevin Knight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, like he is just destroying this dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was also looking through the prism of what I told Dave on Friday, which is I think Omega is gonna try and have the greatest match of all time because he's going to prove that Kevin Knight is a worthy competitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was 180 degrees wrong
[SPEAKER_01]: he's showing that killer Kenny is here and that he's no pushover and that those of you who think well Oscar is going to come in and win this title while you're seeing the best version of Kenny Omega so we got to put that doubt in your in your right and this is yeah I totally agree
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I love that part of it, but it wasn't obvious to me because I was looking through it through my own sort of not a fantasy-booking perspective, but kind of like a where I thought things were going perspective and they flipped the script.
[SPEAKER_01]: So at the end of that match, I was like, wow, I can't believe that Kevin Knight got so little.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's one of those things where you go home and you think about it, you talk about it, you go, okay, like it now I get it, because I'm out of my own head and I'm just letting the story sit in the way that it was told.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and that's where like I maybe don't have the same advantage as you do two days later, having just watched it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I'm, you know, doing this as if as if it had just taken place.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I actually looked at it going in differently than you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not necessarily like I obviously thought it would be a more competitive match, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't complaining about that, by the way, especially the way the crowd was and I thought both those guys played that crowd perfectly where almost nobody else on the card other than Jericho and Champa really did because that Kevin night sense right away this crowd hates me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to play that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: and Kenny realized right away, this crowd loves me and I'm gonna play them like a fiddle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was practically conducting them.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch them, there's a point in the match where he like stops and they stopped.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he did this and he was masterful.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he did the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I went in there looking at okay, where are we going from here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we got grand slam in a couple of weeks, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: What's gonna happen at grand slam?
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably Kenny's gonna be defending his title.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, do you remember, uh, about three months ago, on Draude Pin, Kenny Omega on Dynamite?
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I think Kenny is going to get a want that win back.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is going to want to face somebody in their home territory to prepare himself for filling facing Will Osprey and his home territory.
[SPEAKER_00]: And having him have that bit of a heel edge that he has come in off of the Kenny, you know, the Will Osprey attacking him, you know, from behind.
[SPEAKER_00]: he's going to be the heel in Mexico, too, or, you know, he's going to be playing the heel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that gets him ready.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it also gets the viewer ready to have Kenny being that aggressive quasi-heal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think at the end of the Wembley match, he's going to end up being a babyface.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be like Swirv against Danielson, kind of, probably like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: where at the end of the match, they'll probably hug, and maybe even the butts will come out and they'll pose with the belts or whatever, and they'll all be happy friends again, but yeah, so I do think like this, that thing also set up what will probably be the main event to grandson Mexico.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that, but can we go back to the moxley thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So have you ever seen these books, and I'm thinking of a Star Wars version of this book.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the retelling of, they would do these in comics.
[SPEAKER_00]: The retelling of Return of the Jedi, but through the eyes of Darth Vader rather than through the eyes of Luke Skywalker, I haven't read them, but I remember them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I had friends that had them and told me about them and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So from the Moxley perspective,
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what did Moxley actually do that was so heinous?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what he was doing was he was testing will Osprey to see how far he would go in getting, you know, in putting Omega in a bad way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he gives him the plus begs.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm going to do it or are you going to do it and will takes the bag from him and, you know, he's kind of circling Omega and he's thinking about it before he rips it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you're looking at it from Moxie's perspective, he's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually didn't do anything like I came into the ring and this brother immediately hit me like I had to calm him down and I was testing him to see how far he was going to go to take it to the next level so that he would put himself in the best position to win this title.
[SPEAKER_01]: So from that perspective like because you were saying you know I don't know whether
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I gave Will a choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Will chose.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I didn't really do anything to force his hand or to turn heal on anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just giving him options.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you could look at it from that perspective.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if that's going to be the perspective of his promo, whatever the next time they they tell part of the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm sure I'm sure Charles Manson has a take on the shared tape murders that makes him look like a baby face to you know, um, but no, I, I have just saying like no, it's so funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned that because I'm listening to this, I listen to this podcast, I would suggest to everybody that it's it's worth your time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Telling the story one narrator tells the story from the beginning and one narrator tells the story from the back and then they kind of meet at the apex in the middle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the the one that I'm on right now is called young Charlie because they're talking about Charlie Manson.
[SPEAKER_01]: a childhood and how he got to where he is, which is, it's, it's awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other narrator talks of the story from Sharon Tate's murder, from that moment and then they're going back to the court.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching the Dommar mini series on Netflix right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of, I didn't want to say Dommar because Dommar actually knew what he did was wrong and kind of wanted to be put to death.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, whereas Charles Manson, he was completely justified in everything he did in his mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: In his mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because he didn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was the other people I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just the ringleader.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, he got people to do what they wanted to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: He got them to fulfill their potential.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whether that was good or bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and yeah, and I guess, you know, but I mean, from obviously my perspective, well, he was trying to get him to, you know, to perform attempted murder on somebody that he considered a good friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we don't, we don't know that, though, if, yeah, Osprey goes too far, does Moxical, hey, dude, that's, that's too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to see where your head was at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is that Moxical, that's what he could say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or is Moxical going to say, you know, what, in order for me to win the world title, I have to do that to my best friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I was just trying to get you to that same place that I was at, or maybe will is like, that's why I'm better than you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that could this, all of the things that are happening is for a story down the line.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me, like I would have just, I think I would have just rather seen will fight back from injury and just go in as the heroic baby face.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, I don't think you needed all this storytelling to sell me on Omega Osprey.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but let's now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's look at the business aspect of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think that the business is going to be any better because I'm saying is it working is I don't know how to be key out of ratings are ratings are up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've been covering this closer to anybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, paper views are up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying it's because of this angle, but just business in general.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like if you wanted to throw water on the storyline.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'd have to, you know, I mean, I would say, I don't say, I would say the paper view in particular and probably a lot of the TV ratings has to do with M.J.F.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it has to, I would probably give him at least through
[SPEAKER_01]: May time frame or whatever, you know, may June like, yeah, I think he was he was a huge driver of getting them here, but as happens because they wrestle such a physical style.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, he's out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we'll see now do they go down or are they up or do they stay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, you saw that collision number is collision number is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it was, I mean, it's a little up from last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't you 427,000 for a Saturday lame duck collision before the paper?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they did 3 99 last week.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was only up like just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, it's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the best
[SPEAKER_00]: But did you see the impact number like I think there's something going on with these numbers The ratings again, or yeah, I think like I that's that was my first and Smack down to like they were all They're all up and impacted a record and I watch impact and see the area me all start game Yeah, yeah, that was number one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know the impact might have been up because they did the right Just eletion and that to impact fans that's that's actually a big deal got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah What did you think of the
[SPEAKER_01]: the Willow and Tecla match and kind of where they're going with that story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I mean, I thought Willow was going to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although I wasn't 100% positive.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Tecla could have won.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, the match was fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I actually thought it was like the second worst match on the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was, you know, right there with the Hakarshi to match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I didn't see you actually liked that chain match.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, that was the worst match on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I saw.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but so I have you like the she the in my a world match slightly better than the type of match I didn't like the finish and and I didn't like sky blue coming down so that kind of took the match down a little bit for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it would be their close like don't get me wrong and they weren't bad like there's nothing bad on the show other than the other than the chain match in my opinion and some people thought that she'd imagine is really bad I didn't I didn't think it was bad to his way too long I just thought she just performance was pretty.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they told a good story, and I thought my world is fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, although I will say, there was one thing on the show that kind of bugged me, well, there's a few things, but they told the story of one person being quote unquote out of it, and they used that term.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like four times on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was being...
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like groggy and not responding the way they should.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I just didn't like that doing that once is fine twice, maybe a story of the the young books of edge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know, and that's the thing and that was an important match.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think you should have repeated in the edge match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you should have repeated it in the car sheet of match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was the Kevin night match.
[SPEAKER_00]: They did they said at one point he was how how many.
[SPEAKER_00]: mid-rope or top rope moonsaults that we see in that match that that we're defended well and then the other one was the foot on the ropes thing you know where you know like constantly grabbing the ropes or whatever and you could see it because yeah because they were not in the right spot and they'd have to shoot their butts over closer to the rope before the pin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but no, and so I thought, you know, it was weird that Mercedes, like, she was just there, but she, you know, she didn't even come down and get in a face to face or any more like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like they flirt a bunch of all for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, I think Mercedes and Willow is going to be a good match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I mean, it's going to be a big match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they should have a really good match.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm looking forward to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: In hindsight, if they knew the Rujos thing was going to be the Rujos.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I watched that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should have had Mercedes interrupt shock.
[SPEAKER_01]: and just clowned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would've been good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they understood that that job was going to be so hated in Montreal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when when I first saw that booking, I asked Dave literally on there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Jaka.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and this was an issue with the whole show.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think with them not understanding their market because like, you know, people complained about the crowd and you know, it really hurt a lot of the matches.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, and I listened to both those recaps.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if something has been said since Sunday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, like, the fact is with AW and Montreal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they have a French language outlet.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they should not be running, if they want to run TV, they're fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even collision, they preview their collision, which a lot of these matches feature guys that mostly rest on collision, or I should say a lot, but a few of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like that dog's one in particular.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they, like, collision is available, but it's on the USA network, which airs like reruns of things like 9-1-1 and oh, uh, like these car chase shows and everything like it's and then collision is just like they're on a Saturday night, you know, randomly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think most people know it exists clearly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't watch it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one thing that really hit me because that that made event was really good and the crowd got good reactions to most everything they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's one point when Kevin Knight goes up to do the UFO, and if it's a normal AW audience, they're reacting just to him climbing because they know it's coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: That crowd was dead because they had no idea what he was about to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: also though I don't think anyone's ever watched a Kevin night match before where they'd been sitting down for four and a half straight hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But but that wasn't it because I mean they reacted to other things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think like they didn't and it wasn't just that but that's when he hit me and then I started thinking back to other things and this crowd was reacting to what they were seeing but they weren't anticipating what was coming because they didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and if you're only going to get 7,000 for a paper view, you might as well do it in a sicko market, because then you'll at least get the sicko.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you were going to do it there, you might as well just don't win a pig.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, and I'm not saying they should have because there's probably better markets than winning a pig, but you would have had Kenny Omega, you know, as a hometown hero, defending his title, you would have Jericho, you know, would have got the superstar reaction, probably, and you would have also had people that actually watch the shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what would have been the mask got that, that just, we got up any, that's what's chill would have been beaten up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a little bany.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, and any would have worn, uh, Edmonton Oilers, you know, Wayne Gratsky Jersey, you know, yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would have been good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the, we'll get to the Summer Slam stuff here in a second, but where do, where, what's the next step?
[SPEAKER_01]: Based on what you saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: because they're gonna open this show more than likely with some sort of backstage thing like they've done the past pay for views.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it gonna be moxley going to Will and sing what the F?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it gonna be Will walking in on Omega and saying, you got me?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like AJ Styles and you becoming the head of the bullet club.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like what is gonna be that moment that kicks off dynamite on Wednesday?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe it's going to be Kenny Omega arriving with the box and they're super stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: There, you know, Kenny's a champion.
[SPEAKER_00]: The box are about to become champion and Kenny's going to say something like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, everyone assumes that Will Osprey is going to come in going to Wembley and take this belt for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be his crowning moment.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not going to happen because I'm Kenny, I'm the god of professional wrestling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm the client, you know, I'm a writer and we're running this place.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're the founding fathers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is our place and we're not stepping down anytime soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like something like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to do the Rocky for promo.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that's one of your favorite movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So which which one the promo that I'm thinking of.
[SPEAKER_01]: is Rocky comes back from the presser where they announced the droggle fight.
[SPEAKER_01]: They announced that it's happening on Christmas.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no person involved for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he comes home and it's dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Adrian is standing at the top of the staircase and he's at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's asking him why, and he's telling her why, and she screams, she goes, you can't win!
[SPEAKER_01]: And he goes, Adrian, oh, he's tells the truth.
[SPEAKER_01]: You actually really need subtitles for some of this provokes, it's like really inaudible inside some places.
[SPEAKER_01]: But basically Rocky says, you know, if Drogo is going to beat him, he's going to have to be able to look
[SPEAKER_01]: Across the ring and look at him in the eyes and be willing to kill him like that's the problem that I want to see from Omega because like what you're saying is
[SPEAKER_01]: There is, like, he's kind of overlooked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of this is because he overlooked himself, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He did not, that's a story in him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now he's like challenging himself, every level since then, and he's passing all these challenges.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now he feels like,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the best that I've ever been.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if will can beat this version of me, he absolutely deserves this title.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he is not the best that he ever has been, I'm running through him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the promo that I was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he could even say something like, you know what, you should have took the chance to take me out when when you had it because I won't miss that chance to take you out.
[SPEAKER_01]: As he showed,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He pulled the trigger when Will was sitting on that on that top row.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say as I was watching the angle because I didn't know what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I knew there was an angle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew I had to stay tuned after the main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't just shut the show up.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't know what the angle was.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the whole time I was wondering, is he just going to hit this dude with a hidden blade?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I don't know, you know, either one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could hit moxley, he could hit Kenny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know what was going to happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I will say they had me, you know, but then when it happened, I just I was kind of underwhelmed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I think I felt similar after that shows over because I remember Dave, you know, every time we go to Dave's house and watch show before we leave Dave always asks us for feedback, best match, worst match, and then
[SPEAKER_01]: I was thumbs up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the, you know, actually, my favorite match wasn't the, uh, the Kyle Fletcher and Bandito match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was actually the tag match because I thought I was like, this tag match told a much different story than I expected for one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And secondly,
[SPEAKER_01]: The entire angle carried to the main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was actually very meaningful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like everything was like sort of magnified in that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I liked Fletcher and Bandito, but my problem with almost all these matches is there was a peak at about three to five minutes prior to when they went home that I thought, if they would have went home at that point and I'd been like damn, that was one of the best matches I ever saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they just kept going.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, come on guys, like you don't have to,
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you don't, you can, you can end it at a specific point.
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to, you know, try and steal the show on match number three or whatever, like, yeah, I don't, you know, I get it why they do that because it is their time to shine and is their opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like, man, sometimes that style works where,
[SPEAKER_01]: The fans think we're getting close and then they go like three or four more minutes longer and sometimes they can actually get the fans up again and get them even more fired up and sometimes they can't and I didn't think they did and yeah in that match I was still so it's so really good my favorite match was the main event but I you know the best match was the the call flat your match I thought but but if I had to pick a favorite like when I would want to watch again it would be that it would be the main event.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think I'd see things in the second time watch that I missed the first time if I watch it again where I don't think that's an interesting thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it takes too much time to watch the shows over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I had that thought because and I know you haven't seen it yet and you're probably I think you I don't think you're going to see it in the theater, but
[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you going to see are you going to see the Odyssey in the theater?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't even know if I'll see it period, but I definitely won't see it in the theater because it's three hours and I can't do three hours and then we'll be theater.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you just did five hours of AW?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know how long it took me?
[SPEAKER_00]: I started watching at one and I finished at eight 30 because I got other things to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't watch it one sitting.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I I could I could tell you the scenes that you can go take a P-brake on to the other thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, I had to I Jeff but Jeff
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably, it's probably not a bad idea, but so I watch you ought to see a couple days after it come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then on Thursday night, I went to San Francisco because the, the, the metry on has a 70 millimeter, I'm ex-screen.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's like 40 of them in, in, in the world, and San Francisco has the, I think the second biggest one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I rew I watched it, you know, five days I watched it the second time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as I'm watching it, like there's stuff that I am anticipating.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have to worry about what's happening next.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know what's happening next.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can look for other things and I wonder.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I would do that on matchery watches, but I'm just not as interested to, to, to read that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think with Kenny matches, it's, it's the one that I think you pick up things on the second time, because he thinks about what he's doing so much, that, you know, that there's things, it's very easy to miss.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wouldn't do that for everyone, but I, but I think with Kenny, I, I might, but I, I won't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I better just do it for, uh, my end Mercedes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, no, no, but I did find it funny that I, because I was just listening to him and he talked about, he talked about a match that always it was the young bucks against Uh, no, it's Danielson and Swerve.
[SPEAKER_01]: He talked about seeing that one live and he rated it five stars, but he said everyone was telling him how much better it was not only everyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Khan the big boss that he W was telling him and yet Mercedes, he can't watch out he can't it's not that he can't watch it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just give your rating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just give the right that you had he didn't rewatch Daniels and it's worth.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but he's still lived up for that life.
[SPEAKER_01]: But and but you know why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because it's because it's because
[SPEAKER_01]: he knew it was good live.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he wasn't going to be second guest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he did not think Mercedes and in Maya was, I guess great.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought it was solid, but he didn't think it was great.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you might think we're both settled.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably given it three and a half, maybe three and three quarters.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's, you know, it's in that range.
[SPEAKER_01]: And nobody's going to be happy with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think his life rating is probably even less than three and a half.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think he might go with the TV version.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he might say frading.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he I think his like I think if he gave a number now without watching it again, I think he might say three and a half just because he'd given them the benefit of the doubt that maybe he missed something and he would add maybe like a quarter star or something to what he really thought on the day watched it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know man, the people that he's replying to making him like, yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like want to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see somebody said, oh, you're just going to give it three and a quarter stars and he said you're so wrong about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what he quote tweeted them and said that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, what do you mean by that two and a half or like, you know, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's, but he said, like three and a half will not please anybody because some people will think it's too high and a lot of people think it's too low.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I see just give the rating or don't, you know, if you're not going to do it now, don't ever do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the just never give that I think we'll get it this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll bury it under the summer slam under Baron Corbin getting a four-and-a-half-star mat.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So summer slam.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these are the messages that we're going to choose for or that we're going to sort in our own way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So night one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Livinio, Gunther, and Nick Aldis, the Usos, and Jacob Fattu, versus Royce, Ellie Knight, Solosca, Fadel Influence, versus the Bella Twins, and Page.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wait, this is a six person?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, six person.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they added Nicky to the match on Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see who her trainer is?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I, okay, so I saw a headline that said Nicky Bella trained for comeback by former AEW slash
[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron solo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, you know what, that headline just made me think it was like clickbait to get me to say it was Danielson and solo good Lord.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in the in the thing she said, you know, my sister has Brian to help her.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I needed someone to help me and she was putting over Aaron solo.
[SPEAKER_00]: So is she going to be feeding with Bailey next?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she should.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Brock Lesnar, Obofemi, CM Punk Cody Rhodes, that's night one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, night, night two, Penta, Chad Gable, trick against Baron Corbin, Dan Housing versus Dominic in a human money is on a pole match, Finn Baller versus Sami Zane.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even see that the build for that one.
[SPEAKER_01]: That must have happened on SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Tiffany versus Jade versus Chelsea versus Charlotte versus Julia versus Lash legend Latterman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but did you not know one of those people?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I I thought it was a singles match between Jayden Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just got to change my list a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll double check that by the way, no you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just I blank because I didn't look it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and then Roman and Seth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so those are the matches that we're choosing from so my bottom my bottom my bottom three are all in the same night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's tell you that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe I'll skip that night was that Sunday the lot the second one day's night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is because of one of the teams and not the other team, but fatal influence versus the bellotones and page.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no interest in seeing page Russell.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that intrigued with the bellows because I thought there was an opportunity for them to really do something special and they just kind of went back to their old
[SPEAKER_01]: ways, I guess, they're even if they're better than they were.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're still not anywhere close to the best in women's wrestlers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that, I don't, you know, that one's just kind of like, uh, not that I get, I get the audience that it's for, but for me, it's like a, so for me, it's, it's near the bottom, but it's not quite at the bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason that I don't have it at the bottom is because number one, I'm,
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if there's going to be a churn, so I'm kind of interested in that, and then I'm also interested in fatal influence going forward, like to see, you know, because I think that that group has potential to be, you know, like, you know, upper mid-carters, and this is like the first step to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have it one to the fourth from the bottom, but okay, what is your number 12?
[SPEAKER_00]: Dominic and Dan Housing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, I mean, because I don't really like, I'm not interested at all in the storyline.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was somewhat interested in this, you know, cloning thing or, you know, who's in the box or whatever and they feel like they've dropped that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, Dominic has a lot, I'm way more interested in what he's doing in AAA.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this just feels like it's an excuse to get downhousing on the card and it's going to be a comedy match and it's probably isn't going to be any good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just not interested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think there's someone in the back?
[SPEAKER_00]: who's actively trying to make Dan housing fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I actually think they're giving him every opportunity to succeed and he's succeeding.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, I'm not even going to say I don't like it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's parts of it I like, I like it, put it this way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it way more than I thought I would, although they're doing way too much of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I saw him on NXT, I'm like, okay, no, that, I mean, it's too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what about the raw angle from?
[SPEAKER_01]: The with the Joe Hendry stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was that last night?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to hate it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You may even know they were doing a concert.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let me change.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me change your your answer to my question.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have it at the bottom of my list.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying, if someone is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because that's number 11 on my list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I'm surprised that my second from the bottom wasn't your bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, my second from the bottom is trick and Corbin it's it's close.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not quite you know that there I I it's next for me, but yeah it's because it's because I like trick more than so we almost have the same bottom three then yeah pretty close yeah because I have so my my actual third from the bottom is that six woman ladder match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is it's just because like I would rather actually see Tiffany or I mean, Jade and Charlotte in a singles match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is just an excuse to get Tiffany a belt in their hometown.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she's just going to lose your Maria comes back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like I don't really care about it at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's just a fake belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like in term titles.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get that in UFC.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it there either.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was my number nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: So okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're so our bottom four of the same bottom four just in different order.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, yeah, because you had fatal influence in the palace at your number nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have the same bottom four just just a little bit shaking up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't even seen any of the creative with trick and barren Corbin, my rating is simply because they just don't want to see him in the mix.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I am not anti-barren Corbin at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a role for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't want to see him messing with my guy because the way to get trick over and see this is the opposite of what I think they think.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the way to get trick over is to put him in with a killer wrestler, like I think we mentioned Ilya.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get, you know, maybe they don't see Carmelo at that level, but if you, to give Carmelo that opportunity, maybe he puts on the best for us in dollar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Finn Baller would have been good as well, but it's just Baron Corbin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel is that guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's no I think they think it's like the big guy and he's gonna get heat and he's gonna you know put trick and peril and then when trick finally beats him is beating somebody I don't think he's beating anybody by beating Baron Corbin no no and and and it's funny You said that you hadn't seen the creative because I mean I've watched SmackDown and and I finished watching SmackDown and I I thought that show was awful
[SPEAKER_00]: and the main event was a mess.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I made a comment.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only thing that this main event is missing, you know, being like the only way it could have got worse is to have a barren Corbin run in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we didn't get a barren Corbin run in on TV.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently he ran in after the match after the cameras were off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they announced this match after SmackDown went off the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like a W thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I watched SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea this match was happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because remember, I posted that graphic in the discord, saying I'm not sure if this is real or not, because I just watched SmackDown.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see anything about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then someone said, oh, they did nang on social media.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, if they don't care about it, why should I?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's, let's, so let's reset.
[SPEAKER_01]: So mine, fatal influence, Bella and Paige is 12 for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dan Housing, Dom is 11 for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Trick and Baron Corbin is 10.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the six women ladder match is nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, I've got Dom and Dan Housing at 12.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trick and Corbin at 11.
[SPEAKER_00]: The ladder match at 10 and the six women tag at nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what's the rate?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is where we're we're starting to differ now, which is yeah, and for me, and for me, it's just because I, well, number one, I did not like that main event on smack down, which is the big thing that set it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just feels like these guys are being positioned as mid-carters when I don't like them being positioned as mid-carters.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think these guys should be better than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you've got them interacting with, like, Otis and, uh, you know, on raw and, uh, yeah, and it's just like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I, I, I, I, every one of these guys I want more for and I would rather, I think this, I would like this more if it was just fat two versus keys, you know, and, and tell me which of them you see in a better place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give me a singles match between those two and let me know which guys should be getting behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but by the same thing, I think after you watch raw, you might be a little bit more interested.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope your segment on raw was pretty decent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It showcased each guy in, in a, in a way, um, even though it's kind of funny because,
[SPEAKER_01]: out of all of the people who it seemed like they were trying to put the spotlight on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like solo was kind of the one who was getting the live mic to kind of do his solo comedy stick.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I started to see on social media, a lot of people just being so into the solo thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like solo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like, I like, I like them too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got tremendous presence, but the
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not pushed like a main guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's put your right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a midcarder.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when you do the comedy stuff He loses his matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now you got a comedy guy who's losing matches rather than a comedy guy who's a main event guy and And so it just tells you like, oh, yeah, this guy's funny, but he's funny in a loser way not in a winner way
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think he's got great personality.
[SPEAKER_00]: He seems like he's probably a cool dude to hang out with too, just crack and jokes and and you can like if he is positioned as a baby face, you can sympathize with him with his story.
[SPEAKER_00]: The only problem with that is is it also positions that you'll sow the seals if you're looking at solo as a baby face and I'm not sure that they want him to be those guys to be heals so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, Fernando wanted to take his own life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was me listening to a 1991 countdown show this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I music, I case it case them.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was David's level, but I liked David, but I did not like 1991 music.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: that was 1991 was probably the most I ever watched MTV in my whole life.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you probably would like to show them, but I, I mean, Jesus Jones right here right now, I, I want to blow my head off when that's on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, is a, so 91 would have been,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's our senior host, yeah, the VMAs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was, they had things that make you go, was on the countdown and unbelievable with, you know, dice clay in there and, yeah, is rock the cradle of love.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a little earlier, or is that the restaurant that time?
[SPEAKER_00]: With Billy Hidal?
[SPEAKER_00]: Billy Hidal, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: think, maybe a little bit earlier, maybe 99.1 is probably also new kids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, they started like 88.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just thinking when they broke out, they weren't on this countdown.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, color colored me bad, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, oh, oh, they're freaking Jesus Jones song.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and everything I do, I do it for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Makes me want to throw up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Brandon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was just a given week in it was like 35 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So David is just reading the chart from that week and doing a count down and playing the songs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, although he mixes UK and US.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he gets a little bit from both.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, I mean, he picked the best of a bad lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will just say that because I went back and looked at the list and it's like, oh, my God.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm doing I think where I'm listening to all the number one albums and I said, I hope I die before I get to 1991 that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what made me think of that count down.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't about David's count.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, nothing about David.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, but yeah, when he made that comment about the segment being so bad he wants to take his life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was me with 1991 music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my number eight is actually Finn baller and Sami Zayn and it's because I haven't watched their stuff on SmackDown and I just it feels to me like These guys are kind of on similar parallels in a sense like two guys who I think the fans wish would be booked a little bit better than they are Finn
[SPEAKER_01]: The very first, we'll see the very first Universal Champion or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, yep, be Roman and Sammy, everyone really had been wanting him to win that title.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like they're the two guys where it's almost like, like if Vince McMahon was still booking.
[SPEAKER_01]: they would be the two Charlie Brown guys because it's the whole thing of Lucy pull in the football when Charlie Brown wants to kick it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I feel when I watch these guys and I get into them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like up, something's going to happen and they're not going to give me what I want, so why get into them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have that, you know, fairly close to the same position as you, but not quite at that low.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what's your number seven?
[SPEAKER_00]: My number seven is, oh, actually, well, Sammy's ain't in, okay, okay, I got a seven, yeah, I got a close.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my seven is a Gunther and Aldous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, say, okay, I had that one way higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: From what I understand, the promo's have been good, smack down stuff was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still do not care.
[SPEAKER_01]: if Gunther beats this GM who hasn't wrestled in seven years or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say all this whole special place in my heart because he's him, that feud with him and Cody really revitalized my interest in pro wrestling outside of WWE.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have always, he should literally say, I may have invented the first ever all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why not?
[SPEAKER_00]: and it's never been the same since.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though, I think the actual main event was the young bucks and Ray Mysterio, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they got cut time because Phoenix had gone long earlier, I think, or right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it Phoenix or no, no, it was, no, yeah, it was Ocata and
[SPEAKER_00]: It was at Ocata and because they had a tight window and they literally like they barely got the credits in before before the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's it here?
[SPEAKER_00]: I got it here all in 2018.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh God, please tell me it wasn't flip Gordon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh it's Ocata and Marty squirrel.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's who it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: 26 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's when Jericho shows up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: At the end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right, so you, you're, you're more, you're into this more name, but yeah, this has more to do with like, again, now I get it and you're also been very disappointed with the book and go there all of you told me.
[SPEAKER_01]: when he choked out John Cena in December that the big match for him at SummerSlam is against all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would my first guess would be like, oh, all this came back and actually became a main event or himself.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now Gunther's retiring him back to GM dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll bet if you asked Triple H, what the match was going to be the night he retired Cena.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would have said Brock Lesnar.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was the plan at that time, and they changed based on the reaction that Obo was getting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your number seven?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my guess was it six where I know I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're at six.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was what was your your seven was my family.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've finished having.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my six is Penta and Gabel.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is my six as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, there you go.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it's middle of the car, middle of the interest, you know, like it'll be fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Gable's probably going to win.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to get a title and it's hometown and Penta's probably going to go to AAA.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I expect the Luchibros are going to reunite against all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be, you know, that's what I would do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if I believed in the product right now,
[SPEAKER_01]: this would probably be a top three match for me, but I just don't believe in the product.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe that they're going to give us this great Chad Gable redemption match, you know, that, well, there isn't a redemption.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just going to be a good match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he comes all the way back from El Grande.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Hanta even says in the interview that
[SPEAKER_01]: You still disrespect Lucha.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I forgive you, but you still disrespect it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like so there's still there's still a little bit of that story there, but to me it is, you know, fans want to see Chad Gable at a certain level.
[SPEAKER_01]: but in WWE booking he can never get there so then they just give up on him and that's what they do with almost everybody who's kind of in that midcard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well the funny thing is when you say fans want to see I'm not even sure about that like I know there are some fans that want to see it but I'm not sure if the vocal majority that go to the shows actually is all that into Chad Gable.
[SPEAKER_00]: The internet fans certainly the AW fans you know want to see more out of him I certainly want to
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll see, because they'll get a little bit of time, you know, I think they'll probably get 12 to 15 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your number five?
[SPEAKER_01]: Roman and Seth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have it lower than I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I struggled a little bit with with Roman and Seth and were to place it because
[SPEAKER_01]: I would be completely fine if I never saw these guys roughly each other ever again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
[SPEAKER_01]: There is something for probably more for Seth than for Roman, I think, at the end of this, like there is going to be something there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Seth had a little bit of a rough year, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he hasn't had the smoothest smile injuries and yeah, and I think he's going to try and really deliver and he's his whole character has been like this like real whiny guy who hasn't been able.
[SPEAKER_01]: to get everything given to him like Roman, but still he's got Roman's number.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got I think he's got to, I think that for one, the creative is going to be probably a little bit too over dramatic, but I do think that we're going to get a really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever that great Seth Rollins performance is, I think we're going to get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what it is in 2026 though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope you're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my number five is the Usos and Jacob and Royce in early night in Solzacoa, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is your four?
[SPEAKER_01]: Livinio.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my four as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're I'm looking forward to this and yeah, you know, for me it's most mostly just about match quality like I'm, you know, I don't know who's going to win and I'm not even sure I care, but I'm looking for a good match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will say
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so tired of all the run ends and that is my worry here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't have Raquel or Roxanne booked on the card.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got to be something Because yeah, and so you didn't even see raw yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is this is this is this is where my head is going and I have a feeling that
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's come up and says is going to happen here and it's not going to be just a straight eomatch where it's like rocks and rocks and I'm probably going to turn on live.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not a turn necessarily but I don't even want to spoil it for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to do that if you haven't watched raw yet but I will.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to watch tomorrow morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just something that happens on raw.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is all about this house of torture interference and I think maybe they'll get
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, what is your number three?
[SPEAKER_01]: Go and turn all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: My number three is punk and Cody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm guessing that makes your number two going through all this.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Gunter knows my number three, Punk and Cody are my number two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Punk and Cody's your number two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I assume that your number two is Roman set them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we have same number one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Broke elbow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, that's that should be the main event to the whole weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it will be because it's on Saturday, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, in fact, do they open the show with them?
[SPEAKER_00]: They might.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's rock, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to get back to Saskatchewan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, you know, he could beat that border rush.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I will tell you, like I, I really originally announced this show and WWE was super hot at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, okay, I'm definitely going to that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then about to not that far for me, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Six hours, which is how it got far.
[SPEAKER_00]: It, you know, for me, like because, you know, like there's nothing close to here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But six months ago,
[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't as hot and I was like, yeah, there's no way I'm going to that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, and then about a month ago, like, I was even considering it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then when they announced this $25 ticket, I was like, man, I should go to that show.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not, but I thought about it and I kind of want to, but I just can't now it's too late.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm uh, when I saw them split the nights like they did, I think it actually makes the card look worse because the Sunday show looks a little lacking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, yeah, that's Sunday shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want to say it's bad, but I'm not terribly interested in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we just talked about how some of those redemption matches could have been dynamite or collision matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: some of these matches and maybe that's why they added the few of the stipulations, but like trick Williams and Baron Corbin, like that's a smack down main event, like that's not a paper view man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, because this is Baron Corbin's first match back, I think they think of him as a bigger star than he is, or that the fans see him as, or maybe we're looking at it as he is bigger than we think he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I guess the reaction I'll tell you about.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he'll
[SPEAKER_01]: the audience, the 30,000 or how much it ever turns to be 35,000, whatever, I'm sure they'll see him as somebody who they've been, because they missed, you know, he hasn't been around for a few years, so I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is a good guy to put in there to make sure that trick gets cheered, which is a clearly their goal this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I think it was at WrestleMania 2, but I'm not positive
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so you now will be back on Thursday to get there on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you the answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll write the F4W online and we'll do a, we'll do more of a traditional preview of that show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And plus you'll have watched Raw so we could talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and maybe we'll even have a better idea of what's happening for all in and, and Grant Simon, you know, I've watched off the Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because you and Jeff will be back tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, Wednesday night after dynamite, which I don't I think there's literally two things announced or maybe three things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I saw the only thing I would definitely and match that got announced.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, because the only thing I knew about was the the on draw was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, not on Trotty, the match they set up on at the paper view and then a willow celebration.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so it's Maya against Persephone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that one I do know about the willow title match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the willow celebration.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a three way on Trotty, Jack Perry and Nick Wayne.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's new.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know the conglomeration mass.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the one they set up on the paper view against the demand.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then the title change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So check it out tomorrow, Paul and Jeff go live after 20 minutes after Dynamite's over 10 minutes after Dynamite's over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then Paul and I will be up Thursday night Friday morning with the fight game podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is it from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: For Paul, I am WG, we will see you when we see you peace out.