WEBVTT 00:01.877 --> 00:09.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the intentional fatherhood podcast where we explore what it means to live on purpose as a father and how legacy starts at home. 00:09.924 --> 00:16.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm Justin Whitmorely, and I'm Brooke Moser, we'll be your hosts, and we desire to bring biblical hope and practical hope. 00:17.171 --> 00:17.992 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for listening. 00:20.638 --> 00:23.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, welcome back to the intentional fatherhood podcast. 00:24.000 --> 00:39.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Today, a voice that's different, but no less amazing, we have fatherhood in the wild are second guests ever, dear friend of mine, and somebody who I am so excited to introduce you to is not Justin, although he is legit. 00:39.131 --> 00:42.594 [SPEAKER_01]: Fred Odom, welcome to the intentional fatherhood podcast. 00:43.431 --> 00:45.593 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, bro, man, thank you for having me. 00:45.913 --> 00:49.755 [SPEAKER_00]: It, I told you before we started recording, man, it's surreal to be here. 00:49.976 --> 00:53.118 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, it was what a year and a half ago you all launched this. 00:53.218 --> 00:58.081 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was listening to you in Justin's voice in my ear, which isn't as weird as that sounds while I was running. 00:58.601 --> 01:02.324 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we were all together whispering in your ears while you were running. 01:02.344 --> 01:02.764 [SPEAKER_01]: That's it. 01:02.804 --> 01:03.905 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I was on the run. 01:04.365 --> 01:06.267 [SPEAKER_00]: It meant to like, to listen to that. 01:06.987 --> 01:15.994 [SPEAKER_00]: think in my head, man, I feel like I could be friends with them, like in real life, and then now be sitting with you a year and a half later, bro, it's just, this is a real man, it's a honor to be here. 01:17.159 --> 01:19.360 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny because that's the truth, man. 01:19.400 --> 01:39.854 [SPEAKER_01]: You have become a real friend, and that's just, you know, I think I'm the blessed one by that in many ways, and, you know, I think it's a fun, one of the reasons I love talking about getting into what you feel passionate about and jumping into the world is because you just never know who you get to link arms with and lock in with and who got well bringing to your life and 01:40.714 --> 01:42.616 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Fred, you're no exception to that. 01:42.676 --> 01:43.736 [SPEAKER_01]: So what a gift it is. 01:43.877 --> 01:56.646 [SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, uh, today is a fun conversation because I think you, I said this already, but you very much fit the stage of life that I think a lot of guys, the families in general are fall into. 01:56.666 --> 01:58.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, that are. 01:59.248 --> 02:10.912 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, whether it's our events or the podcasts that are kind of overlapping with a lot of this content and as you and I've been processing through two minutes or minute and now eight minute long voice memos, which is a new feet for us. 02:11.072 --> 02:12.053 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a new record for me. 02:12.273 --> 02:13.013 [SPEAKER_00]: You started there. 02:13.053 --> 02:14.433 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, just now catching up. 02:21.996 --> 02:29.199 [SPEAKER_01]: family a little bit of what you do so people can have some context to the the legend of Fred that they don't even know they they're gonna meet right now. 02:29.699 --> 02:40.183 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh man legend is an overstatement but I will give you the the like kind of big bucket so Fred Odom married to my wife Becca Odom. 02:40.363 --> 02:43.124 [SPEAKER_00]: She took my last name thankfully so I'm gonna spit out him. 02:43.504 --> 02:44.625 [SPEAKER_00]: We've been married for 02:45.445 --> 02:48.846 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, we just celebrated 10 years on May 14th. 02:49.567 --> 03:10.415 [SPEAKER_00]: We're in interracial marriage, which maybe we'll touch on some of that later, and God's given us three daughters, so we have Charlie, Chapel, and Chloe, a fun fact about them, Charlie, five years old, so my last name, Odom, her first name, Charlie, so her middle name is Elizabeth, so her initials are CEO, and then for Chapel, her name is Chapel, Fayodom, so CFO, and then 03:10.815 --> 03:12.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Chloe C. J.O. 03:12.117 --> 03:17.023 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like our chief joy officer chief judicial officer depending on like how she's healing that day. 03:17.343 --> 03:18.545 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's our dynamic man. 03:18.565 --> 03:26.816 [SPEAKER_00]: That's our C. Sweet and fatherhood is the past five years of becoming a dad of been hard, a gift. 03:28.237 --> 03:34.282 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, encouraging, challenging all the stuff we're probably going to talk about, but that's the home front. 03:34.442 --> 03:44.491 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, man, a fun fact we live in the same neighborhood as my in laws, which they asked us before they moved in the neighborhood like would y'all be okay with this and I think society would have told me to say no, I'm not good with it, but 03:44.811 --> 03:45.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Praise God. 03:45.772 --> 03:47.133 [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, you know, I think you should say yes. 03:47.273 --> 03:47.854 [SPEAKER_00]: I said yes. 03:47.914 --> 03:48.794 [SPEAKER_00]: It's been such a gift. 03:49.375 --> 03:51.537 [SPEAKER_00]: And then man for the work side of things. 03:51.657 --> 04:00.184 [SPEAKER_00]: I work for Chick-fil-A and our support center office in Atlanta, Georgia, hopefully people who were listening or fans of Chick-fil-A love to go visit their local restaurants. 04:00.504 --> 04:04.648 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and man, I've been at Chick-fil-A for eight years now and my job. 04:04.708 --> 04:07.310 [SPEAKER_00]: So I work on these two annual conferences. 04:07.350 --> 04:11.133 [SPEAKER_00]: Our company puts on one of them is more leadership base, which you an intentional 04:12.354 --> 04:29.205 [SPEAKER_00]: the other ones a little more business-based that happens in the fall and me and my role is everything like getting to work on the theme for it, the content strategy for it, figuring out what the messaging is going to be, working with speakers to get their talks together and yeah my job is a lot of words, a lot of words and helping people show up on stages and stuff like that. 04:29.325 --> 04:30.186 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a lot of fun. 04:31.227 --> 04:35.629 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, truth be told that is where we first overlapped and what a gift it was to 04:39.811 --> 04:44.776 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at the moment, and I mean, you'll see, you'll hear this throughout this episode. 04:45.157 --> 04:54.226 [SPEAKER_01]: But the moment I remember we jumped on the call because we were covering content which you're so helpful with like threading the needle of what the hope and the content of the 04:54.867 --> 04:57.608 [SPEAKER_01]: these, you're kind of understanding what you do. 04:57.769 --> 05:10.055 [SPEAKER_01]: These events are massive, and these speakers are massive, and the people that do these are like, just top world leaders of, and so you're not just talking about like, trying to craft what trick-flaced, hoping to message. 05:10.095 --> 05:15.858 [SPEAKER_01]: You're doing that with people who are really gifted in that space, and also probably have strong opinions about what they wanna say. 05:16.158 --> 05:22.962 [SPEAKER_01]: And so new on seeing those two, and trying to be like, here's what we're trying to hit, and here's what you're trying, here's your message, and here's how they overlap. 05:23.422 --> 05:31.307 [SPEAKER_01]: it is no small feat and I know that's where we had that overlap and man that moment I remember I was like something different about Fred man. 05:31.447 --> 05:47.478 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just like there's something in his life and on and on in his life and ever since it's been fun to get to know you and overlap and just see all that you get to do and so just to say I got to experience the work side of you at first and man so gifted like in the level of communication. 05:48.058 --> 06:12.527 [SPEAKER_01]: understanding of words I think that that's something that you are so good at and something that you've obviously learned a time but I think obviously you're still learning and still growing and wanting to help people and man I just love that you're getting to do this in this space and so yeah I love that overlap it was a fun it was a fun time when we had that call and what what I think was how did we how did it move from like 06:15.888 --> 06:16.408 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, bro. 06:16.428 --> 06:18.769 [SPEAKER_00]: It was like man, I just didn't remember this. 06:18.809 --> 06:19.449 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like man. 06:19.489 --> 06:28.331 [SPEAKER_00]: This has nothing to do with Chick-fil-A, but I just, I just feel like a connection to you as a person and feel like man, the Lord may have like laid something on your heart to share with me. 06:28.411 --> 06:31.632 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I reached out and you were like, no, don't have anything specific for you. 06:31.672 --> 06:36.413 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, that's all right, which I appreciate the honest. 06:37.493 --> 06:39.234 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, I didn't know as that much of a diva. 06:39.254 --> 06:40.074 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry dude. 06:40.134 --> 06:43.276 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know man, but like we want a lot of many places. 06:43.576 --> 06:50.519 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think the real gift of it though, Barack and man, I go back to like first listening to the episode of The Tissional Father at season one episode one. 06:51.100 --> 06:51.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 06:51.380 --> 06:56.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, what you and Justin gave me the gift of is feeling like I'm not crazy. 06:57.843 --> 07:01.285 [SPEAKER_00]: Like like the stuff, the hard stuff that I was processing of 07:01.945 --> 07:24.826 [SPEAKER_00]: work and fatherhood and being a husband and managing all of this and following Jesus like it can be easy to think you're alone in that or like I really understand as well I'm caring and you all give voice to that and gave voice to that and so yeah man I think that's part of why we became fast friends is I felt like even from a year and a half ago oh shoot he gets me and he gets what's going on 07:25.727 --> 07:26.167 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude. 07:26.288 --> 07:27.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's very kind. 07:27.148 --> 07:27.548 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 07:27.888 --> 07:28.489 [SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't remember. 07:28.529 --> 07:29.549 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember you started saying that. 07:29.569 --> 07:31.271 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't remember that detail. 07:31.291 --> 07:33.712 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, I got to know he was real clear. 07:33.732 --> 07:35.433 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not going to give me none specific. 07:35.473 --> 07:36.173 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, clarity. 07:36.193 --> 07:36.994 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kindness Fred. 07:37.014 --> 07:40.276 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to remember that is clarity is kindness to your people. 07:40.336 --> 07:41.477 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're one of the kindest people. 07:45.499 --> 07:46.761 [SPEAKER_01]: to shake, to shake. 07:46.901 --> 07:48.584 [SPEAKER_01]: I take it, I receive it. 07:48.964 --> 07:51.688 [SPEAKER_01]: But Fred, you are in the middle of your 33. 07:51.728 --> 07:54.593 [SPEAKER_01]: I drew, I've reminded you before the call. 07:54.633 --> 07:57.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Jesus didn't make it past 33, so I do hope for a strong year for you. 07:57.537 --> 08:00.141 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying? 08:00.922 --> 08:01.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, thanks for that. 08:02.043 --> 08:03.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're welcome. 08:03.244 --> 08:07.748 [SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I love I haven't heard you refer to the girls to see sweet, but that is brilliant. 08:07.828 --> 08:08.449 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 08:09.150 --> 08:15.556 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, dude, walk me a little bit on the journey of what, what fatherhood looks like right now for you. 08:15.736 --> 08:20.921 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I'm trying to get at isn't anything specific other than what's on your heart because 08:22.182 --> 08:31.504 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the natural struggle of where you're at, and I know where I'm at, even right now, in the different complexities of, my kids are just a little bit older. 08:32.404 --> 08:39.085 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's complexities on all those levels, but I would love to just hear from you as someone that's in the same boat. 08:39.125 --> 08:45.906 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in the same boat, and I think it's important to highlight that Justin and I, Fred, others, we're in the same boat phenomenon. 08:46.026 --> 08:50.627 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have it all figured out, but there are some things that we've tried and have been helpful and hope to pass those along, 08:51.744 --> 08:57.946 [SPEAKER_01]: As we're in the same boat, what are some of the things you're experiencing and even learning that's brought on purpose as a father right now? 08:59.367 --> 09:15.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, I feel like the last episode you all did around like work life balance and the myth of that, but just such a helpful covering over the season that I'm in where man on the work side of things, 09:16.092 --> 09:28.564 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, I'm being entrusted to lead at a higher level than I've ever led before to like in some ways lead individuals that are above me and the organization and like help equip them and help them grow and figure out the message they need to communicate. 09:40.114 --> 09:43.916 [SPEAKER_00]: is a different level of pressure, which I don't think is bad. 09:44.136 --> 09:50.878 [SPEAKER_00]: I was talking with the buddy recently and we were like, man, I think everybody wants the title of leadership and not the weight of stewardship. 09:51.459 --> 10:02.363 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, I got like the title side of it now, like I'm doing a little bit more, but man, the weight came with it, like the bars are real heavier, and so it's requiring me to like, 10:02.983 --> 10:04.124 [SPEAKER_00]: show up in a different way of work. 10:04.164 --> 10:05.585 [SPEAKER_00]: Be more prepared all those things. 10:06.225 --> 10:12.309 [SPEAKER_00]: But man with that at home, we've got a five-year-old, a three-year-old, and an almost one-year-old. 10:13.070 --> 10:23.997 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, part of my background is like my parents divorced when I was three years old and, um, you know, I definitely have really good relationships with both of them, but that created a lot of back and forth and obviously, 10:24.978 --> 10:28.820 [SPEAKER_00]: me and Becca thriving and having a marriage that lasts is really, really important to me. 10:29.800 --> 10:37.844 [SPEAKER_00]: Be being a father who's present for my daughters and and shows them what it looks like to be a man and what I hope they find in a husband one day is really important to me. 10:38.604 --> 10:39.765 [SPEAKER_00]: And Brooke, I've become 10:41.646 --> 10:47.551 [SPEAKER_00]: So aware of my desperate need for Jesus to bring both of those in. 10:48.292 --> 10:57.780 [SPEAKER_00]: Like on the work front, man, I'm praying more than I ever have because I see like, oh, I actually can't carry this apart from you, even if I could, I wouldn't want to. 10:57.800 --> 11:01.703 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, then on the home side, it's not even just that I could without you. 11:01.723 --> 11:04.065 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, no, Jesus, I literally can't do this without you. 11:04.086 --> 11:07.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I can't show up as the husband I want to show up as without you. 11:08.269 --> 11:09.269 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't show up as the father. 11:09.289 --> 11:10.690 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to show up as without you. 11:11.190 --> 11:12.791 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, man, there's, there's that stuff. 11:13.131 --> 11:16.772 [SPEAKER_00]: But then Brooke, there's also this dynamic of what I spoke with you about on the father's day. 11:17.413 --> 11:23.335 [SPEAKER_00]: Where we ended the night, I'm laying next to Becca before bed and she looks at me and she's like, thank you for being a great dad. 11:23.355 --> 11:27.137 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, I just couldn't receive it. 11:28.177 --> 11:37.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Because what I know of me is that night putting our middle daughter to bed, I'm angry, I'm frustrated, I probably snapped at her a little bit too hard. 11:38.139 --> 11:43.621 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, okay, God, how do I hold this tension of my wife saying this about me? 11:44.201 --> 11:49.722 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I'm thinking about me, but maybe what she's saying about me is closer to how you see me. 11:50.682 --> 11:57.764 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, like, Brook sends me a voice message the next morning this, like, man, I just want to tell you you're a wonderful dad, and it's like, oh shoot. 11:57.804 --> 12:01.225 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, like, what if my opinion about me isn't actually the most important. 12:01.605 --> 12:05.486 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, like, even that started in form my fatherhood and my work life and all that. 12:05.526 --> 12:11.307 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know if this is answering your question directly, but this is some of the stuff that's like actively top of my for me. 12:11.787 --> 12:31.537 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean, I, this exactly what I'm asking, I think it's the tension that you just highlighted, I think, is so felt that and we don't usually have a framework for this that we can both be in process and not perfect and still working through all the stuff. 12:32.697 --> 12:44.584 [SPEAKER_01]: and at the same time, you know, messy, and at the same time actually be good and helpful and loving and creating connection and being a safe place for our kids. 12:45.045 --> 12:45.905 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm with you. 12:45.965 --> 12:51.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that tension is always something I can't fully understand because I see it and hold it just like you do. 12:52.149 --> 12:53.089 [SPEAKER_01]: I see all my failures. 12:53.129 --> 12:55.111 [SPEAKER_01]: I see all the things I want to grow and I see all the moments 12:58.043 --> 13:08.065 [SPEAKER_01]: And man, I cannot agree with you more that that tension and just naming it and going like, I think every father, especially listening, is going like, yeah, okay, me too. 13:08.245 --> 13:10.705 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm in that space of like feeling it. 13:10.725 --> 13:24.688 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think maybe the, to sum up even that little part of what you just said, the tension of not being arrived or having arrived yet is a totally safe and normal thing to feel and it doesn't mean you're failing. 13:28.279 --> 13:37.590 [SPEAKER_01]: He was like a father, especially when you're trying to change, you know, Fred, I want to, I don't want to cut you up, but I want to say you're waving your finger at me. 13:37.630 --> 13:38.812 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited. 13:38.832 --> 13:39.693 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say anything. 13:39.713 --> 13:42.817 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say anything. 13:42.877 --> 13:43.357 [SPEAKER_00]: That's good. 13:44.158 --> 13:49.740 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I want to ask you about your story, meaning like, give me, give me the Fred Odom story. 13:49.840 --> 14:04.724 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to, before you go there, you said something that I think is really important that I kind of, it's not a detour, but just like say something about this in the story, you said, you know, we often want the title of leadership, but we don't want the, say, that second part, the weight of stewardship, the weight of stewardship. 14:05.385 --> 14:08.586 [SPEAKER_01]: That, that's, those are some bars that will preach all day long. 14:09.286 --> 14:11.206 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me a little bit more about that. 14:11.766 --> 14:12.787 [SPEAKER_01]: And why I'm asking, 14:13.627 --> 14:17.828 [SPEAKER_01]: is because I sense so many men do want the leadership. 14:18.288 --> 14:28.191 [SPEAKER_01]: We all, like, were made to excel, you know, most guys that will listen to this podcast are the types of people that are like, I wanna grow, I wanna know more, I wanna excel in what I'm doing. 14:28.771 --> 14:35.932 [SPEAKER_01]: But again, I think what you painted with those with that phrase very brilliantly is it's not as easy and as linear as we always think. 14:36.513 --> 14:41.734 [SPEAKER_01]: So from your perspective, give me a little bit more on that, the leadership and stewardship piece. 14:42.465 --> 14:43.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man. 14:43.125 --> 14:52.207 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think working in a corporate environment, there's a very natural, like, okay, you can see titles of leadership and how you progress and grow and things like that. 14:52.267 --> 15:05.851 [SPEAKER_00]: And, man, I recently, like, have the opportunity to experience a promotion in my job and, like, so got a new title, and if I'm honest, Brooke, like, and I told my boss this, like, man, on paper, I thought I would be doing kind of similar things. 15:05.871 --> 15:07.711 [SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't think it would feel all that different. 15:08.251 --> 15:10.972 [SPEAKER_00]: And now a few months in, it feels very different. 15:11.472 --> 15:21.919 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think it aligns with the biblical structure of leadership and stewardship too, which is like, if you get a greater title, that actually means more people are probably interested to you. 15:22.659 --> 15:26.902 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, like, you have the weight of more people when responsibility, like, shouldering that. 15:27.582 --> 15:30.985 [SPEAKER_00]: And, um, yeah, it's just, it's not easy. 15:32.125 --> 15:45.269 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think you get like the immediate adrenaline spike of like, oh, I got this new thing, but now you have to live in the reality of, oh, like, God, you've called me to now carry this and to take the care of this, like you've entrusted this to me. 15:45.289 --> 15:47.950 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not all on me, which is another part of Fatherhood. 15:47.970 --> 15:51.931 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm learning like I can't do this by myself, but there is a weight to that that 15:52.691 --> 15:56.074 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I guess maybe from the outside looking and we don't always take into consideration. 15:56.895 --> 16:04.361 [SPEAKER_00]: Frankly, bro, I think guys can probably look at the platform you have in desire, the title, and desire, the accolades that come with that. 16:05.142 --> 16:19.655 [SPEAKER_00]: So I've got the opportunity to see is like the behind the scenes, struggles, and like the preparation and leading the team, and like all the other stuff that comes with it, that people may not know what they're actually asking for. 16:22.137 --> 16:25.340 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a really great, it's a really great perspective. 16:25.720 --> 16:36.751 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really glad you said that because again, most of the things in the most true thing that you just said, in my opinion, at least my experience, opinion, but through lived experience is 16:37.692 --> 16:41.836 [SPEAKER_01]: that more leadership just simply means more stewardship because I'm not an owner. 16:41.856 --> 16:47.682 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not an owner of my life, of my kids, of an organization, of a title. 16:47.942 --> 16:51.446 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm not an owner of content. 16:51.526 --> 16:56.351 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a steward of my life and therefore I'm a steward of absolutely everything. 16:56.591 --> 16:58.353 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't actually own any of it. 16:58.953 --> 17:10.556 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I know that like Biblically we say that we know that, but when you get to a spot when you maybe you've climbed some mountains and you start to look down a little bit or you're like, when I was looking up this mountain, it looked very different. 17:10.576 --> 17:14.657 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I'm a little bit higher on the mountain, not even arrived that doesn't even ever happen. 17:15.117 --> 17:21.718 [SPEAKER_01]: When I have a different perspective of when I'm looking in a different area, you start to realize like the whole thing is stewardship. 17:21.918 --> 17:23.939 [SPEAKER_01]: It's stewardship of your life and marriage. 17:24.019 --> 17:26.039 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's a stewardship of a team. 17:29.280 --> 17:50.478 [SPEAKER_00]: get paid and are loved and cared for and hopefully don't hate the experience they have working with you know It's just like and let me go on that real quick because like yeah I think even what you all said in the last episode specifically what you called out about your daughter who like lead to worship Was such an unlock for me that that more stewardship might not even be just about you 17:51.439 --> 17:57.584 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, God could have been positioning you in the work you're doing right now for what is going to set up your daughter to do on that. 17:57.744 --> 17:58.685 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a good point. 17:59.125 --> 18:02.588 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember saying that that's good that you're reminding me was really profound, man. 18:02.948 --> 18:04.329 [SPEAKER_00]: That just means it was spirit lead. 18:04.649 --> 18:06.991 [SPEAKER_00]: That's me, yep, it's true, it's true. 18:08.092 --> 18:08.653 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, keep going. 18:08.673 --> 18:09.013 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry. 18:09.694 --> 18:09.954 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. 18:10.035 --> 18:20.027 [SPEAKER_00]: That was just like the stewardship is like what we contangibly see like the people around us, but it's also like, oh, god, there's a legacy you're probably building, but I don't even have the foresight to see. 18:20.327 --> 18:25.013 [SPEAKER_00]: But me taking care of what you've entrusted to me today, like that's what sets the stage for that to happen. 18:25.744 --> 18:27.886 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, dude, I couldn't agree more. 18:27.906 --> 18:30.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, thank you for saying that. 18:30.889 --> 18:36.654 [SPEAKER_01]: I just think if anyone in leadership, if anyone wanted to aspire to it, I mean, that is, that's the case. 18:36.714 --> 18:38.355 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like your faithful little. 18:38.375 --> 18:47.524 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember that phrase being told to me over and over and I couldn't always relate with it, which is like, hey, if your faithful over little, he'll make you faithful over much. 18:47.584 --> 18:51.367 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm always like, just feels like it's mostly little all the time. 18:52.568 --> 18:58.512 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, when's the much, like, still don't feel like the much has happened, you know, like, that's how it feels. 18:58.532 --> 19:02.874 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a long process of being interested with thing after thing. 19:02.914 --> 19:07.717 [SPEAKER_01]: I think being interested with the spouse, with kids, with opportunities and business. 19:07.777 --> 19:13.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, God is looking for people that are full of integrity and actually want to serve him and want to honor him. 19:13.641 --> 19:19.305 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm also kind of shocked at times at the level of people that you would assume actually really do follow Jesus, but when you 19:20.075 --> 19:27.222 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, either experience their life or look in their life, there's like a level there that, um, because we're all human, there's just like still really dark. 19:27.282 --> 19:38.853 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's such a great reminder in, you know, second chronicles, I think it is like God's going to and fro, looking, you know, throughout the land, looking for those who's mind and hearts are set on him. 19:39.874 --> 19:40.995 [SPEAKER_01]: And, and that's it. 19:41.035 --> 19:41.896 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I think about, 19:42.866 --> 19:43.707 [SPEAKER_01]: men like you Fred. 19:43.727 --> 19:46.349 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, God's like looking throughout the world. 19:46.389 --> 19:49.872 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, where's where's people that really, you know, they don't have it figured out. 19:49.932 --> 19:50.953 [SPEAKER_01]: They have hard stories. 19:50.973 --> 19:52.214 [SPEAKER_01]: They have hard situations. 19:52.634 --> 19:54.175 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't got it perfect, not even close. 19:54.195 --> 19:55.076 [SPEAKER_01]: But they're hard in mind. 19:55.096 --> 19:55.977 [SPEAKER_01]: They're set towards me. 19:56.077 --> 19:59.320 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to be bent for the remainder of their life to serve and follow me. 20:00.601 --> 20:10.514 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're doing that, I think that's and it's not easy and doesn't mean again perfection, but you're doing that and I think there's a whole army of people hopefully even listening right now that are saying, I want to do that. 20:10.694 --> 20:13.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to I want to serve Jesus in my generation. 20:14.078 --> 20:16.161 [SPEAKER_01]: So anyway, um, thank you. 20:16.201 --> 20:16.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man. 20:17.142 --> 20:18.343 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, absolutely. 20:18.643 --> 20:22.445 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear give us some of the the history of Fred Odom. 20:22.485 --> 20:30.570 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, obviously I'd love to hear some childhood if you want, go there and then obviously to to present give me some give me some history. 20:31.010 --> 20:35.472 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, I'll give you some of the big beats and then feel free to like interrupt, rude or happy life. 20:35.613 --> 20:36.313 [SPEAKER_01]: That's not it always. 20:36.333 --> 20:37.334 [SPEAKER_01]: I was hoping you would do. 20:37.354 --> 20:39.535 [SPEAKER_00]: So bro, jump in whenever you feel come to hell. 20:40.175 --> 20:40.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you got it. 20:40.655 --> 20:41.796 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I started it. 20:41.916 --> 20:47.958 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say if I do childhood, I'll hit on like two of the most significant things that impacted me growing up. 20:48.879 --> 20:51.200 [SPEAKER_00]: One of those was, as I mentioned, my parents divorced. 20:51.440 --> 21:00.964 [SPEAKER_00]: So that meant the position where I spent a lot of time back and forth, like thankfully, experience most people don't have to come from that background is like good relationship with mom and dad. 21:01.284 --> 21:01.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for that. 21:01.724 --> 21:02.624 [SPEAKER_00]: I did have that. 21:03.345 --> 21:05.926 [SPEAKER_00]: And underneath it left this sense of like, 21:06.766 --> 21:07.986 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, where do I belong? 21:08.587 --> 21:12.288 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, three, I could ask that up to 14, 15. 21:12.308 --> 21:13.108 [SPEAKER_00]: I could ask that. 21:13.128 --> 21:26.492 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have the words for it, but that was the lived experience and then you couple that with like Monday through Friday at my school was predominantly light Christian school and so I'm usually one of if not the only person at the table that looks like me. 21:27.032 --> 21:29.453 [SPEAKER_00]: But then on Sundays, I'm at a predominantly black church. 21:29.874 --> 21:35.997 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm surrounded by more people who I have this in common, but day-to-day experiences are very different. 21:36.537 --> 21:41.400 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it put me in the spot of saying, I don't actually know where I belong. 21:42.340 --> 21:58.958 [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have again the language for it at that age, but from growing up, I can look back now and see, oh, so much of what I was chasing in pursuit of relationships with women or in athletics or things like that was me searching for this place of belonging. 21:59.738 --> 22:06.281 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, from a faith standpoint, things came to a head when I went to college. 22:06.901 --> 22:08.841 [SPEAKER_00]: I met this guy, my freshman year. 22:08.881 --> 22:12.623 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember, I mean, we had this like intermereal basketball thing we were doing. 22:12.643 --> 22:15.624 [SPEAKER_00]: And I like offered to pray for the team, but before we went out to go play. 22:15.664 --> 22:17.725 [SPEAKER_00]: And this guy was a senior and he pulled me aside. 22:17.745 --> 22:19.725 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, man, let me just get dinner with you and get to know you. 22:20.145 --> 22:22.706 [SPEAKER_00]: So you go out to dinner and maybe we're sitting there. 22:22.726 --> 22:24.687 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was, it was, it was, it was Brooke. 22:24.867 --> 22:26.728 [SPEAKER_00]: All he wanted to talk about was Jesus. 22:27.228 --> 22:37.052 [SPEAKER_00]: and all I wanted to talk about was how to date a godly girl, and it became very, very clear that like Jesus was His end, and Jesus was just a means to an end for me. 22:37.532 --> 22:46.076 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was like, okay, I go through Jesus to get this thing that I actually want, but I'm listening to him, and I'm like, oh, he's found something that I really long for. 22:46.216 --> 22:48.757 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, didn't have the word for it, but it was belonging. 22:49.197 --> 22:51.840 [SPEAKER_00]: like that's what he's found and I want that. 22:52.200 --> 22:59.208 [SPEAKER_00]: And so man that was my first experience of like actually being discipled by somebody and man that year absolutely changed my life. 22:59.689 --> 23:07.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Like man I believe that's when I became a Christian like when Jesus started to begin sanctifying me and maturing me and him and um 23:08.118 --> 23:15.008 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, where I'll go from there, so I met Becca in college, so this is like starting to bring some of the marriage stuff. 23:15.348 --> 23:25.382 [SPEAKER_00]: So her and I met her freshman year, my sophomore year, and man, and I remember like the same moment meeting her and be like, oh, there's some different about you. 23:25.802 --> 23:28.845 [SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't have the words for it, and I didn't know, oh shoot, that's going to be my wife one day. 23:28.865 --> 23:34.951 [SPEAKER_00]: But then just meeting her like, she, um, you know, she was just solid, she loved her friend, she loved the Lord. 23:34.991 --> 23:38.154 [SPEAKER_00]: And we had an up and down dating relationship. 23:38.194 --> 23:41.236 [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of stuff that maybe we'll get into in a little bit in the podcast. 23:41.256 --> 23:41.557 [SPEAKER_00]: But um, 23:42.161 --> 23:49.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, by God's grace, we've been married for 10 years now, but man, I was shift over to work stuff because that started to come to fruition and college as well. 23:49.547 --> 23:55.471 [SPEAKER_00]: So I joined this fraternity, my junior year again, this idea belonging, oh, I think I found this group of guys that I belong to. 23:55.832 --> 24:02.757 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember every year we had new people who wanted to join, we did this round robin, where you kind of come around each fraternity, and you hear their sales pitch. 24:03.097 --> 24:04.258 [SPEAKER_00]: Like why should be a part of it? 24:04.598 --> 24:07.200 [SPEAKER_00]: And for that year, I was tapped to do it for our group. 24:07.861 --> 24:08.882 [SPEAKER_00]: And Brooke, I did it. 24:09.582 --> 24:14.695 [SPEAKER_00]: emanate the end of it, like, got like a standing ovation from the guys in the room. 24:15.852 --> 24:26.537 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, it was this moment of like, oh shoot, like God, what if part of how you designed me is to like speak and share about things that I love and mean a lot to me. 24:27.978 --> 24:34.741 [SPEAKER_00]: And what I was really inviting those guys into Brooke again, like, is this word that I didn't know is so woven into my story, but belonging. 24:35.241 --> 24:40.864 [SPEAKER_00]: Like I was inviting them into a space where they could find belonging, and man, you fast forward to today. 24:41.664 --> 24:51.946 [SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite parts about my job is that every year, specifically for next, I get to tell these speakers we bring in, you'll be doing this for 50 years as a company. 24:52.227 --> 24:54.167 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a huge deal for us. 24:54.707 --> 24:56.167 [SPEAKER_00]: This is the theme for this year. 24:56.788 --> 25:02.629 [SPEAKER_00]: This is why we chose you and why you're the perfect person to help us accomplish what we want to accomplish. 25:03.209 --> 25:09.611 [SPEAKER_00]: And Brookman, I'm just recently the Lord shown me like, the reason I love that part of my job so much is because I'm actively 25:11.751 --> 25:15.015 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm showing them that in this bigger picture, this is where you fit. 25:15.856 --> 25:22.043 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this thing that like, Jesus is beginning to heal in me and meet in me, I now get to offer to those around me through my work. 25:22.604 --> 25:24.486 [SPEAKER_00]: Which is super dope. 25:25.347 --> 25:25.848 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that. 25:25.948 --> 25:26.629 [SPEAKER_01]: That story is... 25:27.710 --> 25:30.754 [SPEAKER_01]: that so I love that connection in so many deep ways. 25:31.194 --> 25:44.991 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to kind of go back for a second because I think something that you said that just stuck out to me that is such an important experience and it sounds like very formative in one sense but also very impactful to you. 25:45.852 --> 26:14.048 [SPEAKER_01]: is you said, you know, throughout the week, you're to predominantly white school, then you're at a black church on Sunday, the cultural difference, the, you know, kind of almost like the knee-jerk reaction of differences and that you like you said, the felt need throughout the week or what the experiences were week over week were different and my question to you is like, that that seems like not nothing and I'd be curious because the belonging piece obviously as a connection. 26:15.192 --> 26:27.045 [SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, I'm going like, Oh, you are, I wonder how much you've been given that gift of even that desire because there was so long that you didn't feel like you belong, right, you belong to the talk to me about that. 26:27.065 --> 26:34.152 [SPEAKER_01]: What was that like and more some of the things during that time or even looking back that were helpful to you to belong. 26:34.172 --> 26:36.274 [SPEAKER_01]: Was it like, Hey, I'm going to just embrace. 26:37.215 --> 26:43.579 [SPEAKER_01]: Like my friend group at school or man, I'm going to just fully embrace that my friend group at church. 26:43.940 --> 26:45.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Like how did you navigate that? 26:45.181 --> 26:45.621 [SPEAKER_01]: What was that? 26:45.641 --> 26:46.802 [SPEAKER_01]: What was that like for you? 26:47.462 --> 26:48.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man. 26:48.143 --> 26:48.483 [SPEAKER_00]: It was. 26:50.610 --> 26:51.471 [SPEAKER_00]: It was both. 26:51.551 --> 27:06.949 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the answer was yes, it was like when I'm at school, like, man, I can fully engage here and there's aspects that I can pull from that are still true of me, then can connect with this group of people and then when I'm at church, like there's other aspects I can pull from me that can connect with this group of people. 27:08.290 --> 27:12.711 [SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting Brooke is like, so this is another kind of side that gets into this. 27:13.171 --> 27:19.113 [SPEAKER_00]: So my mom growing up, grew up in an environment where like because she was a black woman, she wasn't allowed to rent library books. 27:19.513 --> 27:25.734 [SPEAKER_00]: And so she would be friends, some of the white individuals in her community who would then go rent library books and bring them to her. 27:26.434 --> 27:28.915 [SPEAKER_00]: And, man, when you grow up in that type of an environment, 27:29.375 --> 27:29.675 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 27:29.735 --> 27:34.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it can be easy to buy as towards bitterness, but my mom did the exact opposite. 27:35.439 --> 27:39.582 [SPEAKER_00]: She held on to verses like me and my eight, ten like the joy of the Lord is my strength. 27:39.642 --> 27:42.804 [SPEAKER_00]: And like whatever man says about me, that's not going to define me. 27:43.324 --> 27:49.048 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, I'm so grateful for that and the gift that that was from me growing up that she spoke those things over me. 27:50.428 --> 27:52.650 [SPEAKER_00]: And where it, how do I say this? 27:54.746 --> 28:00.108 [SPEAKER_00]: where stuff underdeveloped in me was a belief that God wanted to hear about my hard days too. 28:01.208 --> 28:05.290 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what I took from her saying that is, there's never anything wrong. 28:05.810 --> 28:09.111 [SPEAKER_00]: You should never voice any frustrations or any complaints or any anger. 28:09.191 --> 28:12.192 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I didn't have the vocabulary for that. 28:12.632 --> 28:20.155 [SPEAKER_00]: So growing up it was just like, oh, I just have to be joyful in all these different places and I never really had a space where I could process like, 28:21.246 --> 28:24.707 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I'm angry, and I can feel that in that be okay. 28:25.367 --> 28:41.911 [SPEAKER_00]: And then it wasn't until four years ago, I was on a retreat through this organization called Wellspring, and the entire premise behind the retreat is like that people would walk away and actually believe that God loves them. 28:42.840 --> 28:47.144 [SPEAKER_00]: which is such a fundamental thing to our Christian faith. 28:47.805 --> 28:54.231 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I found at least for me, I had a really clear head knowledge of that, but very low experiential knowledge of that. 28:54.972 --> 28:59.916 [SPEAKER_00]: And so man, I went on this retreat and it was the first place I actually processed. 29:00.477 --> 29:03.179 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, anger, I felt about my parents' divorce. 29:04.020 --> 29:12.471 [SPEAKER_00]: like the isolation I felt from having to like morph myself to fit in in this culture and then in this culture and I'd ever feeling like I really belonged. 29:12.972 --> 29:21.443 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was the first time I got to voice that while simultaneously having guys around me who said, man, I just love you for who you are. 29:22.823 --> 29:43.570 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, I think, and Brooke, the purpose of this isn't for me to gas you up, but man, I think one of the reasons I connect with you so much is like, I felt that for you, like the value ring of like who I am, not just what I look like or what I can bring to the table, which has been such a gift, man. 29:43.890 --> 29:45.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Like more of a gift than you know, um, 29:47.111 --> 29:47.351 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 29:48.131 --> 29:49.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's very kind. 29:49.732 --> 29:52.872 [SPEAKER_01]: I do, I just love you, bro. 29:52.912 --> 30:03.775 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, it's not actually, you know, I mean, it's not an effort to get to know people and get to know you and care for your, your legit wonderful human. 30:03.935 --> 30:05.595 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's, that's just that. 30:05.715 --> 30:13.337 [SPEAKER_01]: Those are facts and anybody that gets to know you were even listening to this will go like, yeah, I want to know Fred and he's address specifically if you want to visit him at his home is. 30:14.477 --> 30:15.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead and fill up that. 30:16.198 --> 30:23.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, his number is no, I mean, but I think, you know, thank you for sharing that and going along that way. 30:23.422 --> 30:31.066 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, that detail that you just said of getting to a point where you're, and I don't always do this perfectly by any means. 30:31.086 --> 30:43.153 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess I want to highlight this for anybody recognizing that we live in a culture right now that it, it almost breathes this idea of using people not knowing people. 30:44.087 --> 30:58.479 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's really bizarre, especially in the line of work that we do, but also in some of what you do for sure is no doubt that it comes up where it's like, how can I position myself with this person so there's a maybe a connection or another meeting or maybe a potential for that. 30:58.640 --> 31:09.209 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's it's the world we we live in and if there's anything I'm like even right now actively trying to teach my son who's almost an adult and my kids in general, it's like, 31:10.212 --> 31:15.216 [SPEAKER_01]: We don't have a, we do have a loneliness problem, but I think it's bigger. 31:15.256 --> 31:17.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we actually have a knowing problem. 31:17.238 --> 31:20.000 [SPEAKER_01]: People don't know how to know other people anymore. 31:20.621 --> 31:24.264 [SPEAKER_01]: And so everyone's lonely, because no one knows how to get to know anyone. 31:24.324 --> 31:26.305 [SPEAKER_01]: No one feels known and no one knows how to know. 31:27.290 --> 31:41.655 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's really weird, like even actively, I can't remember what the story was exactly, but a situation recently where it was this situation where someone was just talking about their loneliness, but they were very connected. 31:41.675 --> 31:49.598 [SPEAKER_01]: They had a lot of people, even physical community, what they weren't even isolated into their room with their phone, whatever the image that you get with loneliness. 31:50.458 --> 31:54.362 [SPEAKER_01]: they just didn't feel known and the truth is most people don't know how to ask questions. 31:54.482 --> 31:59.368 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't know how to get to know people and I think, you know, even to your point Fred, you do that with other people. 32:00.028 --> 32:01.590 [SPEAKER_01]: You ask good questions. 32:01.610 --> 32:03.552 [SPEAKER_01]: You get to know people. 32:04.093 --> 32:05.955 [SPEAKER_01]: And when people feel known, they don't feel lonely. 32:05.975 --> 32:06.615 [SPEAKER_01]: They feel seen. 32:06.636 --> 32:07.476 [SPEAKER_01]: They feel accepted. 32:08.117 --> 32:09.178 [SPEAKER_01]: and they feel loved. 32:09.578 --> 32:15.941 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's that detail that you give people, but if anyone listening, stop trying to use people, just start getting to know people. 32:16.041 --> 32:23.405 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I've learned is man, the more you get to know people, the more God uses people in your story to open what doors he wants to open. 32:23.746 --> 32:25.386 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 32:25.466 --> 32:26.187 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's the truth. 32:26.367 --> 32:27.988 [SPEAKER_00]: Is the truth, and bro, like, I... 32:28.468 --> 32:34.415 [SPEAKER_00]: I think because of the work that you do, you see a lot of the behind the scenes, the off camera stuff because of the work that I do. 32:34.455 --> 32:36.937 [SPEAKER_00]: I see a lot of the like backstage stuff. 32:37.438 --> 32:48.570 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you're around people who have like an incredible tall and following a really high leadership or really high influence, and you see them backstage, I mean, you have this profound realization that like, 32:49.663 --> 33:06.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you need Jesus too, like, like, you don't have it to, like, we're all learning, and we all are like, man, trying to grow and develop, and like, you have the same deep desires that I have to feel seeing and know and loved and valued. 33:06.808 --> 33:13.850 [SPEAKER_00]: And so if we can then take that knowledge and actually engage with someone and ask the question, but what a gift that is to them. 33:14.710 --> 33:15.110 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:15.610 --> 33:15.810 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:15.870 --> 33:18.031 [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, like, a lot of people, 33:19.157 --> 33:19.477 [SPEAKER_01]: a lot. 33:19.678 --> 33:20.578 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's a lot. 33:20.638 --> 33:20.818 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 33:20.839 --> 33:22.260 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a consistent amount of people. 33:22.500 --> 33:28.145 [SPEAKER_01]: I think asked that type of quite a similar question of, hey, I'm wanting to start something. 33:28.185 --> 33:29.046 [SPEAKER_01]: How do I do it? 33:29.906 --> 33:31.047 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to do this thing. 33:31.067 --> 33:32.328 [SPEAKER_01]: I have this vision for this idea. 33:32.348 --> 33:33.169 [SPEAKER_01]: How do I get into it? 33:33.189 --> 33:36.172 [SPEAKER_01]: And they'll they'll want to have that conversation with myself or others. 33:36.212 --> 33:41.856 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's always an interesting detail to scale back and just ask the deeper question of like, 33:42.905 --> 33:47.109 [SPEAKER_01]: What is this like a thing that you are envisioning and forcing to happen? 33:47.209 --> 33:52.854 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is this an extension of what you're made to do want to do the thing right now. 33:52.874 --> 33:54.676 [SPEAKER_00]: This is actually a story on that book. 33:54.836 --> 33:57.238 [SPEAKER_00]: Please, please, please. 33:57.278 --> 33:57.598 [SPEAKER_00]: Man. 33:57.838 --> 34:00.280 [SPEAKER_00]: So our annual conversation to Chick-fil-A, we call it next. 34:00.341 --> 34:05.585 [SPEAKER_00]: And before I was working on the team that helped produce it, I was attending it like all of our operator staff do. 34:06.126 --> 34:09.449 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember sitting in the audience at one point. 34:10.209 --> 34:16.090 [SPEAKER_00]: And there is this guy who came out on the stage, his name was Ryan Lee, maybe some of the listeners like are familiar with him, no, he is. 34:16.671 --> 34:19.331 [SPEAKER_00]: And that was the first time for me. 34:20.051 --> 34:34.315 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd ever seen somebody on a stage like that who looked like me and had like the kind of the functional titles of things I would hope one day of like he was a teaching pastor, but also worked in business and like had written books and like it was like, oh man. 34:35.342 --> 34:53.240 [SPEAKER_00]: and like oh god like I think there's actually something in me that came alive seeing that and I had a few friends in the audience text me simultaneously like yo you kind of reminds me you like I could see you do something like that first thing I told you when I met you this first thing but broke here's the like here's the danger of it is man and maybe this gets into some of the fatherhood stuff 34:54.101 --> 34:59.225 [SPEAKER_00]: I took that moment and said, okay, God, now it's on me to go create it. 35:00.045 --> 35:03.968 [SPEAKER_00]: Like now it's on me to start to figure out, okay, how do I go do this and how do I maneuver this? 35:04.028 --> 35:06.550 [SPEAKER_00]: And do I need to start up a website, do I need to do all this stuff? 35:06.610 --> 35:14.395 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, what God has shown me over this past year and a half is like a lot of that has been laid down in many ways. 35:14.415 --> 35:17.937 [SPEAKER_00]: Like my role has put me even more behind the scenes in my company. 35:18.838 --> 35:22.103 [SPEAKER_00]: that like, man, he sees me when other people don't. 35:22.884 --> 35:27.311 [SPEAKER_00]: And like, he provides the opportunities in ways that you can never imagine. 35:28.062 --> 35:51.788 [SPEAKER_00]: And bro, there has been a like for someone who is to be for myself who like enjoys getting to communicate and share and formulate ideas, the gift that it has been for me to lay that down in service of helping somebody else shine on that platform has like, add a friend one time who told me, God cares more about who you're becoming than what you're achieving. 35:51.808 --> 35:55.529 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who I'm becoming because of that work 35:59.357 --> 36:00.398 [SPEAKER_01]: far more impactful. 36:01.118 --> 36:03.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, do could not agree more. 36:03.619 --> 36:04.099 [SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't agree it. 36:04.459 --> 36:05.600 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think you just said it. 36:05.700 --> 36:08.501 [SPEAKER_01]: You said the secret like, what was the secret? 36:09.522 --> 36:10.242 [SPEAKER_01]: What Fred just said? 36:10.282 --> 36:12.323 [SPEAKER_01]: Just reverse a minute and a half. 36:12.903 --> 36:14.104 [SPEAKER_01]: And listen to that again. 36:14.144 --> 36:18.026 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, greatness in the kingdom of God isn't the stage. 36:18.046 --> 36:18.806 [SPEAKER_01]: It isn't the moment. 36:18.886 --> 36:24.048 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the life that leads to the opportunity to serve others in that venue or that space. 36:27.870 --> 36:42.534 [SPEAKER_01]: you're not serving, you know, right now, you're not going to ever want to serve other people when if you have a platform of any sort because it's all going to be about you no matter what the thing is, it's about how you can get what you want and take. 36:42.634 --> 36:52.577 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, the giving posture of what you just said, the character, I mean, how many people do we know that just burn out because they have the charisma to get on a stage, but their character can't hold them up. 36:53.539 --> 37:01.466 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that's what I found on the fatherhood side of it is like, that's probably what God uses the most to form character. 37:01.486 --> 37:04.950 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I'm sure, I mean, you can speak to it from like the stage of life. 37:04.970 --> 37:05.750 [SPEAKER_00]: You're in the stage. 37:05.790 --> 37:10.435 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, with my kids is like, like, bed times were still a process. 37:10.595 --> 37:14.198 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm still, like, they will be for a while changing the loop. 37:14.338 --> 37:16.840 [SPEAKER_00]: And all like, it's like a, like, 37:17.661 --> 37:18.681 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:19.261 --> 37:20.562 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really humbling thing. 37:20.642 --> 37:21.362 [SPEAKER_00]: It's gritty. 37:21.442 --> 37:24.443 [SPEAKER_00]: It's messy and literally and figuratively it's messy. 37:24.463 --> 37:24.623 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:25.083 --> 37:25.483 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 37:25.663 --> 37:32.384 [SPEAKER_00]: Man, it's, and Brooke, I'll tell you, most people who know me would probably never think I struggle with anger. 37:32.925 --> 37:36.886 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think I would have thought I struggled with anger until I became a dad. 37:38.926 --> 37:43.927 [SPEAKER_00]: Like until I started putting kids to bed, I didn't realize I struggled 37:47.928 --> 37:59.337 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to feel like I'm in control and when one of my daughters bucks against the bedtime routine that's established for me to finally have some time to myself or time for me and back it and they buck against that 38:00.275 --> 38:02.916 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel an anger because I'm not in control. 38:03.516 --> 38:10.658 [SPEAKER_00]: And what's underneath the control is like, I don't actually trust that you're giving me what I need through these girls and through my current life. 38:10.958 --> 38:18.081 [SPEAKER_00]: I think what's going to give me what I need is like on the other side of like getting them down, getting some freedom, and it's just not true. 38:20.201 --> 38:22.882 [SPEAKER_01]: That is so good. 38:22.902 --> 38:23.943 [SPEAKER_01]: The control piece, 38:25.203 --> 38:30.965 [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I find when when my kids aren't regulated that dysregulates me and I don't like the chaos, right? 38:31.025 --> 38:34.746 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even know this regulated was a word in the lag kids. 38:35.066 --> 38:38.647 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, that's what's happening to me right now. 38:39.008 --> 38:42.629 [SPEAKER_00]: In my wife's an occupational therapist, so she had a lot of that language coming in to me. 38:42.669 --> 38:44.849 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, boy, this is very different. 38:48.558 --> 38:49.798 [SPEAKER_01]: your face is amazing. 38:50.238 --> 38:51.319 [SPEAKER_01]: Why did not expect? 38:51.739 --> 38:52.919 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was pretty good. 38:52.979 --> 38:54.320 [SPEAKER_01]: And you are pretty good. 38:54.780 --> 38:58.000 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the second, it's the invitation to the deeper forming. 38:58.020 --> 39:00.681 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're all great when we have no pressure. 39:00.761 --> 39:02.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, when I'm by myself, pretty good dude. 39:02.722 --> 39:03.322 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest. 39:03.662 --> 39:04.462 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm a great human. 39:04.622 --> 39:05.782 [SPEAKER_01]: You put humans in the mix. 39:06.182 --> 39:07.743 [SPEAKER_01]: That's when all the stuff comes out from me. 39:08.795 --> 39:14.180 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that's the truth for most people, but yeah, or let me ask you a question about it. 39:14.200 --> 39:26.351 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's like what is so again, I see this very actively and like the current season of father, and I'm in which is very, very young kids, does it get easier as they get older? 39:27.071 --> 39:33.517 [SPEAKER_00]: Is it like, no, it's still just as hard as just a different hard, like, like cast vision for guys who are in my stage alive. 39:34.201 --> 39:36.083 [SPEAKER_00]: He's talking about the control piece. 39:36.503 --> 39:41.447 [SPEAKER_00]: The control piece, the like, man, I get home and it feels like I'm just an active service. 39:42.007 --> 39:43.669 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that, like just that. 39:44.917 --> 39:57.099 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I mean, our situation is a little unique in the sense that we have four kids, so quantity is just a one dynamic to note, like the more kids you have, when people say, just have one more, it's just one more. 39:57.159 --> 39:59.660 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not, it's a whole human, it's a whole other soul. 40:00.080 --> 40:05.221 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not gonna say that doesn't mean you shouldn't have more kids, I just mean like don't sell this. 40:05.721 --> 40:08.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't sell people and more kids on the idea that it's not that big of a thing. 40:08.882 --> 40:13.043 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge thing every time, because that kid will have their own soul 40:15.143 --> 40:15.503 [SPEAKER_01]: It's huge. 40:15.944 --> 40:17.965 [SPEAKER_01]: That said, I'm glad we have four kids. 40:17.985 --> 40:18.726 [SPEAKER_01]: So we have quantity. 40:19.546 --> 40:20.947 [SPEAKER_01]: One of our little girls has special needs. 40:21.007 --> 40:22.849 [SPEAKER_01]: That's another dynamic. 40:23.569 --> 40:26.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And then our youngest to our 10 and 8. 40:26.491 --> 40:28.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Now that's a whole different stage than you're at Fred, right? 40:28.713 --> 40:32.456 [SPEAKER_01]: Like my youngest or older than your oldest right now. 40:32.516 --> 40:32.756 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 40:33.336 --> 40:35.377 [SPEAKER_00]: but let me just give you an example. 40:36.237 --> 40:37.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Last night I walked into the door. 40:38.919 --> 40:45.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the time now, because my son's 17, he is a girlfriend, very sweet, my daughter's very social. 40:46.142 --> 40:59.188 [SPEAKER_01]: There's other people hanging at our house because we've opened our home to be like, hey, we want to be the house that always basically pretty much outside of, you know, sickness or something else says yes to their friends being over because it's something that we value and 40:59.868 --> 41:04.196 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot, you know, strategically, you can pour into your kids and know who they're hanging out with. 41:04.376 --> 41:07.322 [SPEAKER_01]: So we make it available, which means stuff breaks and 41:08.455 --> 41:31.287 [SPEAKER_01]: There's an excessive amount of food around, I mean, it's just, this is what it is and we value it, but I walk in the door and there's stuff everywhere because the kids were playing something Duke and his girlfriend were talking in the kitchen and Scarlet and her friend were there and they're all having a joke, Elizabeth's making dinner, birdies outside with a friend, Sloan's laying on the couch. 41:32.027 --> 41:33.568 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's stuff everywhere. 41:33.668 --> 41:36.789 [SPEAKER_01]: And so my job is to walk in and greet everybody. 41:36.809 --> 41:39.150 [SPEAKER_01]: So everyone gets a hug and a kiss as a appropriate. 41:39.870 --> 41:42.931 [SPEAKER_01]: And even my son, I give him one big wet one on the cheek. 41:42.951 --> 41:43.451 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, I'm dead. 41:43.511 --> 41:44.432 [SPEAKER_00]: And he loves that. 41:44.532 --> 41:46.212 [SPEAKER_00]: And he loves, he's like, front of his girlfriend. 41:46.492 --> 41:46.753 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. 41:46.773 --> 41:48.133 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not pretty. 41:48.413 --> 41:48.713 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dude. 41:48.733 --> 41:50.734 [SPEAKER_01]: He loves, I mean, we have that kind of relationship. 41:50.754 --> 41:51.154 [SPEAKER_01]: He just laughs. 41:51.174 --> 41:51.934 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, give it to me. 41:51.954 --> 41:53.895 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, all right, all right, all right. 41:54.095 --> 41:54.655 [SPEAKER_01]: He's so funny. 41:55.156 --> 41:57.937 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, then, you know, we move around. 41:58.437 --> 42:01.158 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just immediately start picking stuff up. 42:02.534 --> 42:11.526 [SPEAKER_01]: Now it's not because I'm so noble it's because I know that my wife has been wanting to pick that stuff up and that the kids have been playing and 42:13.369 --> 42:14.449 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't ask questions. 42:14.469 --> 42:25.031 [SPEAKER_01]: I start asking questions about the day, but I start doing that as I'm wiping the counters down and I'm picking the stuff up and it's not even something that I'm noting that it's so noble to do. 42:25.071 --> 42:34.453 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like you walk in and you just meet whatever need is there, not because it's so noble, but because I think it's what's necessary for the family. 42:34.973 --> 42:37.694 [SPEAKER_01]: So to answer your question, I think it looks different. 42:37.874 --> 42:38.954 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know, the only 42:39.714 --> 42:48.056 [SPEAKER_01]: poop and pee that I mess with any more would be that of a dog and I don't mess with it because that's like kids that's your dog and if that dog has a problem is your problem. 42:48.076 --> 42:50.496 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I'm not in that gritty of a state. 42:50.516 --> 42:52.437 [SPEAKER_00]: We share our love of our dogs together. 42:52.457 --> 42:52.817 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 42:53.637 --> 42:54.977 [SPEAKER_00]: We, we, we really don't know. 42:54.997 --> 42:56.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Just a lot of dogs at the same time. 42:57.098 --> 42:58.418 [SPEAKER_01]: He takes me the other day complaining. 42:58.438 --> 42:59.858 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, bro, this is your bed. 42:59.978 --> 43:01.519 [SPEAKER_01]: You get to sleep in it. 43:01.819 --> 43:04.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so he specifically, like, they specifically 43:07.460 --> 43:28.280 [SPEAKER_01]: Like a big fat for instance would be like I'm not my kids went to bed pretty easy last night But my older but my son needed to process some stuff and talk through some stuff and what and these things are not like things that are minor anymore these are like major life principle wisdom topics that that need like sharpness of mind 43:29.161 --> 43:32.865 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're accurate to say, yes, it shifts, it's different. 43:33.245 --> 43:40.712 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the heart of service for your family, especially, is that of what is necessary as a father. 43:40.772 --> 43:44.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think you get the option to just check out of that. 43:45.437 --> 43:50.822 [SPEAKER_01]: What you do will look different, but if you keep that posture of heart, I think that's what keeps. 43:51.838 --> 43:53.560 [SPEAKER_01]: relationship strong and healthy. 43:53.720 --> 43:59.144 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, if I start coming in to work or coming home and going, I've had a hard day. 43:59.465 --> 44:08.412 [SPEAKER_01]: I am owed as the person who has provided the day I am owed emotional disconnection and no responsibility of any task. 44:09.113 --> 44:14.538 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, all I'm doing is ruining my own future by not having close relationships with those around me. 44:15.153 --> 44:18.614 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, that doesn't mean you're not like a break is valid. 44:18.634 --> 44:22.596 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I need 20 minutes or hey, I need to work out like figure out your thing. 44:22.736 --> 44:26.957 [SPEAKER_01]: But walking in and thinking that your owed something is always a recipe for pain. 44:27.837 --> 44:32.679 [SPEAKER_01]: And it does change, but it just, it doesn't go away. 44:32.699 --> 44:33.519 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think it's sure. 44:33.539 --> 44:35.080 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's the rule of being a father. 44:35.100 --> 44:37.841 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's supposed to be, it's a part of the experience. 44:38.637 --> 44:56.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, bro, I think the like, the gold that you just gave us is that I think maybe you had posted about this on Instagram at some point recently, it was like, people say I'll die for my family, but will you blink for your family in which you're struggling the blank with is like, will you wipe the counter for your family? 44:57.053 --> 45:02.335 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, you go out and push your kids on the swing after your tires from a long day, work for your family. 45:02.595 --> 45:06.776 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you break it and they can swing themselves to, which is a whole other thing. 45:06.816 --> 45:14.959 [SPEAKER_00]: But like, it brings this lofty, like, you how die for you down to like, Oh, that dying for you actually looks like just dying to myself daily. 45:15.659 --> 45:17.160 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's actually what it looks like. 45:17.841 --> 45:18.842 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, dude. 45:18.922 --> 45:20.404 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how you just connected that. 45:20.424 --> 45:27.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because That is what the invitation of fatherhood, but marriages too, you know, and cuz marriage is pretty easy I don't know about your situation Fred. 45:27.315 --> 45:28.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Mine is it's super easy. 45:28.416 --> 45:28.997 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's a breach. 45:29.017 --> 45:29.578 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah 45:32.485 --> 45:35.107 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm glad our wise won't listen to this and, and, and, and, no, no. 45:35.147 --> 45:49.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, 45:50.101 --> 45:57.410 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually, you know, and this, that's no actually, that's no shade on Beckett, who I know, who I got to meet at the mother of her treat, so sweet to find the meet her in person. 45:57.991 --> 46:05.841 [SPEAKER_01]: But that's actually a gift to you, like the fact that your wife can see all the good, and be that regulator of like, 46:06.983 --> 46:15.308 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you are, I can be impressed and proud of you where you're doing great, but also like, nobody's battenethousin all the time. 46:15.448 --> 46:23.453 [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's, having a spouse at times that is like not overly impressed is actually for a certain personality is really good. 46:23.893 --> 46:24.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, bro. 46:24.894 --> 46:34.960 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, because it can like, given my wiring background, any a gram number of being a three, like achievement is so hard-wired in me, 46:35.680 --> 46:45.988 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's not the thing my wife values most for me in man that like that's actually it can be frustrating at times because it can feel like a code that I can't unlock. 46:46.689 --> 46:50.172 [SPEAKER_00]: But in my healthiest state, it's like, oh God, what a gift. 46:50.592 --> 46:52.574 [SPEAKER_00]: The like my wife actually just wants me. 46:54.845 --> 46:56.087 [SPEAKER_01]: Not what you can do. 46:56.707 --> 46:57.188 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 46:57.628 --> 46:59.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, because you also do, you do need that. 46:59.991 --> 47:07.799 [SPEAKER_01]: We all need that, like, obviously, we need a certain level of affirmation, which I know doubt, know that your wife gives you my wife gives me. 47:07.899 --> 47:15.508 [SPEAKER_01]: But, yeah, being overly like impressed or like disconnected from reality with who you are is, yeah, that's not always helpful. 47:16.008 --> 47:37.191 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the, you know, so many angles we can go here, but when it comes to when it comes to things like I'm just thinking, you know, with what you do, you're doing a lot of beautiful things in the world, I love the, the lane that you're in of helping people communicating using words to help people. 47:38.252 --> 47:51.786 [SPEAKER_01]: Man, what it what it gives you doing that right now just even by processing how this experience of just living right now in this moment is going I would love to know just briefly what are some of the life things 47:52.713 --> 47:55.957 [SPEAKER_01]: and this can be as broad or as specific as you want. 47:56.498 --> 47:59.122 [SPEAKER_01]: But what is Fred Odom learning right now? 47:59.362 --> 48:02.386 [SPEAKER_01]: What's something, what's a little piece of goal? 48:02.406 --> 48:06.011 [SPEAKER_01]: That didn't prep you on this at all, but like something that's just been like, hey, this has hit me recently. 48:06.031 --> 48:10.017 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is some of tune on this been super, super helpful. 48:10.637 --> 48:11.297 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man. 48:11.437 --> 48:12.898 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, man. 48:13.078 --> 48:13.518 [SPEAKER_00]: I am. 48:14.639 --> 48:24.063 [SPEAKER_00]: So every year, usually in November, I'll start praying through like, God, what's a word or a theme or something you have for me for the year to come? 48:24.743 --> 48:27.084 [SPEAKER_00]: And this past November, it was a word devotion. 48:27.910 --> 48:42.579 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, in my mind, I'm like, boy, I'm about to be reading about David and Samuel and Joseph and like these dudes who were dialed in, and me, I just love where he's going. 48:42.619 --> 48:52.225 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys, and brook, like, he was, um, in January, my wife and our family, we go to a passion city church in Atlanta and Pastor Ben Surah was speaking that Sunday. 48:52.965 --> 49:00.869 [SPEAKER_00]: And as he was sharing, and it was like a New Year's time to message, but man, as I was sitting there, it was this moment of like, oh, shoot. 49:01.630 --> 49:08.934 [SPEAKER_00]: God, I thought this year was going to be about my devotion to you, but this year is actually much more about your devotion to me. 49:10.214 --> 49:14.857 [SPEAKER_00]: In man, what God has had me in over the past six months, 49:16.462 --> 49:29.533 [SPEAKER_00]: is actually starting to believe like, I am a beloved son, because so much of my desire for belonging and achievement stems from like, God am I really seen as enough? 49:30.273 --> 49:31.654 [SPEAKER_00]: Like am I really okay? 49:32.195 --> 49:33.836 [SPEAKER_00]: And so him meeting me in that. 49:34.397 --> 49:44.224 [SPEAKER_00]: And then someone sent a prayer for me recently that they said the statement, Fred, I pray that in this next season your surrender would be greater than your sacrifice. 49:45.185 --> 49:47.847 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, I process some of that with you. 49:47.907 --> 49:55.172 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I think what, I think if I had to sum it up, bro, God's teaching me to surrender to His love for me. 49:56.173 --> 50:04.559 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think from that posture of surrender, I'll actually be able to love my wife and my girls in the way that I long to. 50:05.379 --> 50:08.442 [SPEAKER_00]: But if I just go white knuckling it towards them, 50:09.885 --> 50:14.988 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be exhausted, they're going to feel my exhaustion and there's going to be zero joy in it. 50:19.570 --> 50:26.614 [SPEAKER_01]: That is so incredibly helpful that your surrender would be greater than your sacrifice. 50:26.794 --> 50:29.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, for all of us, Lord, yes. 50:31.417 --> 50:34.458 [SPEAKER_01]: What you're saying, different personalities are going to hear what you just said differently. 50:35.819 --> 51:04.527 [SPEAKER_01]: But the thing that I think is a through line, no matter what personality type you are, is that the greatest thing for most men that I experienced myself, especially and included, is surrendering, whether that's control, it's the dream, it's the vision, what you thought you were, your family was going to be, the kind of marriage you were going to have, kind of kids you were going to have, how easy you were going to be able to handle that, I mean, like the worst surrender applies to, I can't, you know, 51:05.547 --> 51:12.233 [SPEAKER_01]: Every area, every area, the career path you're on versus what you expect it, what you're doing right now versus what you feel like you're called to do. 51:12.253 --> 51:15.936 [SPEAKER_01]: Like that position of surrender isn't of giving up. 51:16.076 --> 51:19.800 [SPEAKER_01]: It's actually a place where strength comes, where peace comes, where help comes. 51:20.460 --> 51:23.283 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think surrender has like this bad rap a lot of the time. 51:23.303 --> 51:25.685 [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, surrender's like, surrender. 51:25.805 --> 51:29.968 [SPEAKER_00]: And where we actually start to like, to really trust God. 51:30.689 --> 51:53.399 [SPEAKER_00]: Because like a lot of my Christian life has been like, I'm actually trusting in myself to like solve this come through for myself, create this opportunity like that situation where I felt like the, oh, I feel connected to what Ryan Lee just said, I'm going to go start doing some stuff as opposed to like, oh, God, that was like a special moment, what do you want to do with this like can I trust that like your pace is the right pace and I'm not behind. 51:54.136 --> 51:54.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 51:55.077 --> 51:55.838 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, too. 51:55.898 --> 51:56.398 [SPEAKER_01]: There you go. 51:56.938 --> 51:57.819 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that you're not behind. 51:58.059 --> 52:09.669 [SPEAKER_01]: That is, that's a lie in the enemy that he's used just to stop many men like, hey, dude, you're, you haven't done it yet or you put yourself on someone else's timeline who's just a completely different human with a whole different set of backgrounds and circumstances. 52:10.869 --> 52:17.992 [SPEAKER_01]: and we compare in an unfair way to other people when they have things or situations or opportunities that we never had. 52:18.173 --> 52:20.794 [SPEAKER_01]: And yet we still pull ourselves to that standard. 52:21.194 --> 52:23.375 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, be kind, you know, it's hard to get. 52:23.615 --> 52:24.355 [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to do that. 52:25.236 --> 52:26.296 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot of likes. 52:26.416 --> 52:27.437 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, seriously. 52:27.657 --> 52:29.978 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I have a question, but I wanted you to finish what you're going to say. 52:30.198 --> 52:40.781 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've also, like, I think God's been showing me on the fatherhood stuff specifically, mean it really is in the little things we do that our kids start to catch it. 52:41.161 --> 52:46.683 [SPEAKER_00]: So like every week day morning when I'm driving into work and I have like Charlie and Chaplin our tool to send the car with me. 52:47.143 --> 52:53.865 [SPEAKER_00]: We call it back as she's home with Chloe and we just like say a family prayer together, but like the girls have started to argue over like who can pray that day. 52:54.305 --> 52:56.947 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh, bet, like, they want to pray. 52:57.367 --> 53:08.833 [SPEAKER_00]: They know what prayer is or like every Monday, we have like family core value time, where we have like four core values as a family and we just pick one randomly and we're like, all right, girls, like, what do you think it means to be intentional? 53:09.173 --> 53:10.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Or how could we have courage today? 53:10.394 --> 53:11.635 [SPEAKER_00]: What does it mean to be authentic? 53:11.695 --> 53:21.300 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, most times, I don't know if they're fully catching it, but every now and then Charlie will be like, hey, Dad, there's this girl who's in by herself at the lunch table today and I like went to sit with her. 53:21.800 --> 53:32.144 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like Charlie that was intentional like you're like you're living out the stuff that we want God to pass through you and put in you and so but man it's bro broke it's messy. 53:32.644 --> 53:43.687 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't always work but it like it was it's been a reminder to me that man it doesn't take the grand gestures like you take it like it's faithfulness and just trying to show up each day. 53:43.707 --> 53:44.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes that daily stuff. 53:44.988 --> 53:46.408 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean yeah you're saying it like 53:52.766 --> 53:57.409 [SPEAKER_01]: little things that we thought that we just like, gosh, we failed in this area of this area. 53:58.569 --> 54:01.911 [SPEAKER_01]: Or we just put little effort compared to what we thought we needed to to move the needle. 54:01.971 --> 54:08.935 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's been amazing to see how just very small things consistently have major impact over time. 54:09.739 --> 54:14.142 [SPEAKER_01]: And those little moments of core values, like, you know, that's why you're doing it. 54:14.162 --> 54:27.130 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's impactful, but what's bizarre is you'll start to see in years, a couple years even from now, how they start to embrace it and use it in their own framework of thinking and even, you know, your voice as a father becomes 54:27.870 --> 54:29.492 [SPEAKER_01]: the voice of the Father in their head. 54:29.713 --> 54:43.891 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's so important to think about how you talked to your kids because they're going to be going back and forth like when they're an adult that's going to be what shapes how they hear God and that's both should be daunting and terrifying. 54:44.553 --> 54:45.193 [SPEAKER_01]: to all of us. 54:45.273 --> 54:50.156 [SPEAKER_01]: And it should also be just to remind her that, hey, God can cover your worst moments, and he does. 54:51.177 --> 54:53.278 [SPEAKER_01]: And he is all about the attempts. 54:53.398 --> 54:54.179 [SPEAKER_01]: He loves our attempts. 54:54.219 --> 54:55.740 [SPEAKER_01]: He's not asking for perfection. 54:55.880 --> 54:58.161 [SPEAKER_01]: He's just saying, will you attempt godliness? 54:58.201 --> 54:58.741 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll help you. 54:59.002 --> 55:00.042 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 55:00.062 --> 55:01.683 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we want to, he loves our attempts. 55:01.963 --> 55:04.305 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're doing that. 55:04.325 --> 55:04.885 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's beautiful. 55:04.925 --> 55:08.067 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what you just said is doing more than boast by a long shot. 55:08.367 --> 55:12.289 [SPEAKER_01]: And having those little moments throughout the week to pick even a word, 55:13.250 --> 55:35.172 [SPEAKER_01]: you're teaching your kids that and do keep I mean anyone listening just take that idea and begin to do we did copyright intentional so you can't use it anymore so you have to pick a different word for your family yeah we needed a different word value there no maybe it was just prominent actually it was like gone already knew this was happening yeah absolutely let me just ask you one more question as we as we kind of end our time 55:36.200 --> 55:46.489 [SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it was actually a year ago, Father's Day, when we before in June right now, when we launched intentional Fatherhood, which is a bizarre thing to think. 55:46.509 --> 55:47.710 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels much longer than that. 55:48.451 --> 55:54.416 [SPEAKER_01]: But I know that it, you know, you had told me in a different way, one or another, that it stirred some stuff in your heart. 55:55.317 --> 56:08.805 [SPEAKER_01]: And it has been cool to see how you have taken what is in your hand to do and in your kind of stirring of, you know, and you're calling to Fatherhood and have just brought it into your workplace. 56:09.185 --> 56:22.213 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that story and I just would love for you to even take a second to, you know, highlight what you're doing and the reason I'm wanting to highlight that is because I want to hopefully for people to see how simple it is to start to bring impact. 56:23.047 --> 56:26.568 [SPEAKER_01]: through your life to wherever God has placed you right now. 56:27.048 --> 56:39.753 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanna highlight that because I think you've done a great job of just setting a table, especially Chick-fil-A in that ecosystem for people to grow and to be helped in certain ways. 56:39.813 --> 56:46.095 [SPEAKER_01]: So, it gives like the, you know, how long you want on that particular end because I think it's really helpful to a lot of people. 56:46.515 --> 56:59.171 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Brooke, thank you for teeing that up, and man it, it'll also be an opportunity to get to honor you because what I'm all I don't do, I'm going to, you're going to receive it because this is recorded and you can't argue with it. 56:59.492 --> 57:00.974 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to honor you. 57:01.595 --> 57:02.556 [SPEAKER_00]: It's real friendship stuff. 57:04.378 --> 57:05.619 [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, bro, do you know you're an author? 57:06.219 --> 57:06.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Stop it. 57:06.980 --> 57:07.520 [SPEAKER_01]: Shut up. 57:07.780 --> 57:08.521 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a debrick. 57:08.861 --> 57:09.902 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how Fred. 57:10.002 --> 57:11.063 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, all right. 57:11.123 --> 57:11.603 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 57:11.663 --> 57:12.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll keep going. 57:12.664 --> 57:14.385 [SPEAKER_00]: That's a backstory. 57:14.645 --> 57:19.848 [SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't exist without, like, you're prompting it and how the Lord used you. 57:19.888 --> 57:21.369 [SPEAKER_00]: Because man, you were coming in town. 57:22.370 --> 57:26.913 [SPEAKER_00]: It was probably, I guess, March of this year, you were going to be in a land of some other stuff. 57:26.933 --> 57:28.294 [SPEAKER_00]: We were going to get lunch on my office. 57:28.674 --> 57:33.177 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you just kind of threw out the idea, like, hey, would there be some other guys you want to like, invite it? 57:33.217 --> 57:36.039 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's just talk about manhood and fatherhood and things like that. 57:36.820 --> 57:41.683 [SPEAKER_00]: And at first I was like, I don't know, maybe, when kind of we're back and forth and I was like, you know what, why not? 57:42.129 --> 57:48.071 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just like blasted an email group out to some guys that I know at the company who are in the same stage of life processing similar things. 57:48.811 --> 57:53.012 [SPEAKER_00]: And man, we had like a very low resolution lunch time. 57:53.412 --> 57:54.913 [SPEAKER_00]: Me and you sat up on a stage. 57:55.093 --> 57:58.674 [SPEAKER_00]: We've moderated a conversation, like 30 guys showed up. 57:59.154 --> 58:05.436 [SPEAKER_00]: They like ask some questions back and forth and I'm, man, I didn't have a vision for it when you and I did. 58:05.456 --> 58:07.997 [SPEAKER_00]: That I legit thought it was gonna be just on one and done. 58:08.597 --> 58:11.498 [SPEAKER_00]: But as I started to like pray and process it more. 58:11.858 --> 58:18.874 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was this moment at the very end, where a guy who was in the room, he said, how do I build intentional friendships with other men? 58:20.017 --> 58:21.220 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, huh. 58:22.680 --> 58:24.440 [SPEAKER_00]: God, I think I know people who could help with that. 58:25.000 --> 58:31.262 [SPEAKER_00]: And so there's like three guys that are company who are really respected leaders, but I know that they've had this 25-year friendship. 58:31.682 --> 58:34.822 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I reached out to them and I was like, hey, we just kind of started this thing. 58:34.862 --> 58:39.803 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I was gonna call it intentional men, but broke told me I can't use intentional, so I'm calling it a great man. 58:40.104 --> 58:43.724 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we haven't this thing, I didn't say that. 58:43.764 --> 58:46.825 [SPEAKER_00]: So like, would y'all come and just like talk about your friendship? 58:47.425 --> 58:49.306 [SPEAKER_00]: What's like, how it's been a blessing to you? 58:49.806 --> 58:50.787 [SPEAKER_00]: What's been hard about it? 58:50.807 --> 58:52.648 [SPEAKER_00]: How have you fought against comparison? 58:52.668 --> 58:54.109 [SPEAKER_00]: How do you build male friendship? 58:54.589 --> 58:59.372 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we just had that last week and like probably 40 guys showed up to that. 58:59.912 --> 59:02.514 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've already started to think about like, 59:03.074 --> 59:10.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh god, I think this next thing in September could be this and maybe there's an end of your thing that gets to like, could this become a quarterly gathering? 59:11.020 --> 59:20.707 [SPEAKER_00]: That's man really just trying to take what you and Justin tee up for us in intentional fatherhood and like man bring it down to like boots on the ground. 59:20.987 --> 59:23.709 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm in community with these men at our office. 59:24.270 --> 59:26.111 [SPEAKER_00]: How can we start to live this out together? 59:27.145 --> 59:27.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 59:28.407 --> 59:35.796 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, I want to be so honest, I was not bringing it up to have any sort of like intentional fatherhood pat on the back, although I appreciate it. 59:36.476 --> 59:41.322 [SPEAKER_01]: It is actually to highlight the initiative that you have. 59:41.463 --> 59:45.227 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, you know, I think I love seeing this army of men, 59:46.088 --> 01:00:08.567 [SPEAKER_01]: kind of arise whether that's through voice memos or emails or you know social media communication or DMs like this army of men being like I want to continue to grow in my faith with the people around me in my community and all the different ways that it looks and and I and I just want to say man I wanted to highlight what you have been pouring into 01:00:09.268 --> 01:00:12.793 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think it's just another example of what it can look like. 01:00:12.853 --> 01:00:16.218 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, for you, it was like, hey, I, this is pretty simple. 01:00:16.238 --> 01:00:23.088 [SPEAKER_01]: I got these connections with these friends and let's just sit in a room and have an excuse to talk about the deeper things. 01:00:23.349 --> 01:00:23.469 [SPEAKER_01]: And 01:00:24.190 --> 01:00:26.751 [SPEAKER_01]: people wanted to come and then again and again they want to come. 01:00:27.191 --> 01:00:30.692 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's a cool example of the initiative. 01:00:30.712 --> 01:00:31.872 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't take much. 01:00:31.992 --> 01:00:33.192 [SPEAKER_01]: You said you blasted an email. 01:00:33.212 --> 01:00:34.413 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't take much. 01:00:34.533 --> 01:00:40.174 [SPEAKER_01]: It starts creating that community and I want to say that to give anybody hope that you know, take it from Fred's vantage point. 01:00:40.334 --> 01:00:42.175 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not much more than initiative. 01:00:42.195 --> 01:00:44.935 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, most leadership looks like initiative. 01:00:44.955 --> 01:00:47.176 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't look like having all the answers. 01:00:47.636 --> 01:00:48.816 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be able to have those. 01:00:48.856 --> 01:00:50.977 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to solve all the problems because you don't know everything. 01:00:51.557 --> 01:00:53.238 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's your job to initiate. 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:55.060 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you did. 01:00:55.340 --> 01:00:58.742 [SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just to say great job, Brad, for doing that. 01:00:58.982 --> 01:01:01.844 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's creating a culture within a very strong culture. 01:01:01.864 --> 01:01:03.706 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, anybody that understands Chick-fil-A is a culture. 01:01:04.266 --> 01:01:09.150 [SPEAKER_01]: What I loved about it was like the identity and the culture piece you feel it in the space and the family. 01:01:09.230 --> 01:01:12.252 [SPEAKER_01]: Even with the Kathy family, it's an extension of them and getting to know them. 01:01:12.312 --> 01:01:14.814 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, man, that is who they are. 01:01:15.314 --> 01:01:28.200 [SPEAKER_01]: But even for you to say, let's go even, let's take that beautiful gift that has been already that table has been set and let's even take it to another level because, you know, you wouldn't be able to even do that if that foundation wasn't set, which is beautiful. 01:01:28.600 --> 01:01:32.802 [SPEAKER_01]: But then to have the kind of atmosphere within your work, which, again, I know that's not everyone's situation. 01:01:33.142 --> 01:01:39.565 [SPEAKER_01]: But that would honor that and be like, yeah, take this space, like get people together, go deeper as a huge gift. 01:01:39.625 --> 01:01:41.626 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, it's a blessing, man. 01:01:41.886 --> 01:01:44.687 [SPEAKER_00]: It's super grateful, super, super grateful. 01:01:45.766 --> 01:01:47.528 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, well, just note this. 01:01:47.668 --> 01:01:53.694 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening to this and you work at Chick-fil-A or Chick-fil-A corporate, check out Fred Odom and the gatherings he's putting on. 01:01:54.235 --> 01:01:55.016 [SPEAKER_00]: Because they're fun. 01:01:55.076 --> 01:01:55.596 [SPEAKER_00]: No, now I got it. 01:01:55.616 --> 01:01:57.178 [SPEAKER_00]: Now I actually got to put more on. 01:01:57.438 --> 01:01:58.339 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for that, bro. 01:01:59.040 --> 01:02:00.982 [SPEAKER_00]: If I wasn't done, I'd have done any more. 01:02:02.132 --> 01:02:17.020 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think there's ever going to be a moment where people don't need to be with other people and being honest about the pains and the blessings of life and working through those things together in community. 01:02:17.060 --> 01:02:18.141 [SPEAKER_01]: That's never going away. 01:02:18.381 --> 01:02:22.783 [SPEAKER_01]: And so creating spaces for that to happen is what you're doing. 01:02:22.903 --> 01:02:24.784 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, you don't have to have all the answers. 01:02:24.804 --> 01:02:25.805 [SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to have the content. 01:02:31.448 --> 01:02:35.731 [SPEAKER_01]: and get some conversations going, and you'll be surprised how many people go. 01:02:36.872 --> 01:02:39.674 [SPEAKER_01]: Me too, like I feel that too, and I'd love to talk about that. 01:02:39.734 --> 01:02:46.919 [SPEAKER_01]: And so, friend, it has been a gift just having a fun conversation with you as a friend, but also, 01:02:47.579 --> 01:03:00.913 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, somebody who's in it, and I just respect so much of your life, what you're doing, respect how you're living it, honest about, you know, the moments of pain and weakness, which is very important to note that we all have that. 01:03:01.154 --> 01:03:02.976 [SPEAKER_01]: But man, you're doing a wonderful job. 01:03:03.817 --> 01:03:06.359 [SPEAKER_01]: And thanks for just jumping into this conversation today. 01:03:07.140 --> 01:03:21.518 [SPEAKER_01]: of, you know, what fatherhood in the trenches really does feel like as we're trying to both navigate Jesus and marriage and kids and business and hopes and dreams and like all of it makes thanks for just giving us a window into. 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:29.645 [SPEAKER_01]: what it's like because man that you named it really well that that is exactly what I think most of us feel is what you're looking for. 01:03:29.665 --> 01:03:45.479 [SPEAKER_00]: And if I can just like if I can have the final word on your podcast that you invite me on it would just be a man a man truly a heartfelt thank you to you in Justin like it's someone who is a frequent listener of what you all put out man it 01:03:46.620 --> 01:04:02.738 [SPEAKER_00]: You all have, I think part of why this is like blown up in a good way over the past year, like even more than you and Justin could have imagined, is because like God has positioned you all to speak to a felt need that so many men had and didn't have the words to express. 01:04:03.699 --> 01:04:21.195 [SPEAKER_00]: and like you all are expressing that and I just pray that like the Lord continues to use it and bless you all and cover you all because man you're doing a good word and books specifically to you bro like your friendship means more to me than you know and I'm so grateful for you. 01:04:21.796 --> 01:04:22.497 [SPEAKER_00]: I love you man. 01:04:22.517 --> 01:04:26.981 [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you and um and you're an author so just let's think again. 01:04:28.240 --> 01:04:30.461 [SPEAKER_01]: Fred's freaking just keeps going on inside jokes. 01:04:30.581 --> 01:04:33.362 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even gonna explain the why behind that. 01:04:33.602 --> 01:04:34.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Fred. 01:04:34.522 --> 01:04:36.082 [SPEAKER_01]: I love you and respect you deeply as well. 01:04:36.263 --> 01:04:39.484 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not gonna, I'm gonna mention what you just said. 01:04:39.984 --> 01:04:40.604 [SPEAKER_01]: But here's the deal. 01:04:41.784 --> 01:04:44.505 [SPEAKER_01]: Come out to everyone listening. 01:04:45.105 --> 01:04:46.406 [SPEAKER_01]: Come hang out with us in Austin. 01:04:46.746 --> 01:04:47.486 [SPEAKER_01]: Fred's gonna be there. 01:04:48.266 --> 01:04:49.627 [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know it yet, but he's gonna be there. 01:04:50.767 --> 01:04:52.510 [SPEAKER_01]: Second, I'll explain how to see it. 01:04:52.770 --> 01:04:55.453 [SPEAKER_01]: Hold on, Becca, can Fred come, please let me know. 01:04:55.894 --> 01:04:57.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd love for Fred to come. 01:04:57.696 --> 01:04:58.357 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel asleep at this. 01:04:58.397 --> 01:05:01.601 [SPEAKER_01]: If you've listened this far, Becca, please, would you think about letting Fred come? 01:05:01.661 --> 01:05:02.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause we need a bear. 01:05:03.343 --> 01:05:04.745 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but we've come to the dates, bro. 01:05:05.646 --> 01:05:07.168 [SPEAKER_01]: November 12th to 14th. 01:05:07.228 --> 01:05:07.688 [SPEAKER_01]: They're coming. 01:05:07.768 --> 01:05:08.329 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go. 01:05:08.489 --> 01:05:08.789 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 01:05:08.930 --> 01:05:10.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Keep me November 12th to 14. 01:05:10.391 --> 01:05:11.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Austin Texas come out. 01:05:12.193 --> 01:05:14.635 [SPEAKER_01]: Say hi to Fred Knight and Justin will all be there. 01:05:14.815 --> 01:05:16.918 [SPEAKER_01]: But dude, thank you again for your time. 01:05:17.338 --> 01:05:18.059 [SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy the game. 01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:18.799 [SPEAKER_01]: You're on East Coast time. 01:05:18.820 --> 01:05:22.043 [SPEAKER_01]: So you go to the finish of your day, but do bless you and thanks for the combo.