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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, welcome back to another episode of Friends From Work, podcast about all things in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, hosted by me, Robbie Earl, and by my longtime friend, From Work, Kyle Scone will, who is coming to us from San Diego, California.
[SPEAKER_00]: where it is probably what like 65 degrees is at 73 degrees, 9.50 in the morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: The high is 81 today.
[SPEAKER_01]: which I looked up us, us Nashville and Austin people are jealous of, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you're 96, higher or whatever, in my 94-high.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I had to get up at 6.45 this morning to mow the lawn so that I could get through the lawn without losing consciousness.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, well, okay, so here's the deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roughly 15 hours after the Marvel HLH panel has concluded, I followed along through the discord breaking new stuff and I think I've seen a good chunk of of what's come out of San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have not talked to you about it and I have also not heard about
[SPEAKER_00]: your experience as someone who is currently in San Diego and who was at the convention.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my first question is, you get into San Diego yesterday, Saturday.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked a lot about how when we were both there last year, it was unique in that
[SPEAKER_00]: certainly after, or in comparison to the big Arty J. Doom reveal, from what I think was the year prior.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you are getting there in a very different situation where a lot of other studios are not going as big this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that there are a lot of reasons for that in terms of what's going on with some of these consolidations and studio politics and stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Marvel,
[SPEAKER_00]: was set to have a pretty big year.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a lot of buzz about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what was it like in the convention center?
[SPEAKER_00]: How did the energy this year compare to last year in light of that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, good morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's the morning after.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would, the overall trip so far has been very fun and challenging.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you know, it can be a little bit of a whirlwind.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got up at four o'clock with my alarm, flew at five, thirty, two Los Angeles, drove down here to San Diego two hours.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got to figure out the parking situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right away when you get out, you can tell it's a little bit different than last year from our perspective, because all through downtown are signs of Avengers
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas I would say last year there was an overall energy because it was our first time doing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was an energy because I think other studios were taking advantage of that gap that Marvel Studios wasn't going to be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say this year has kind of been the inverse in that Marvel Studios is dominating the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually there hasn't
[SPEAKER_01]: in my short time being here as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, Comic Con is actually still going on on Sunday right now while I'm talking to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of studios built, they kind of cleared the runway.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's a little bit of a different energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd say it's more or less.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting to walk through, there's so many people, by the way, so many people.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm always underselling how big it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that from last year, but I forgot until you get here, I went live on Instagram, just from my walk, post the haulage announcement to my car, and even just that live
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a spillover after an event like Hall H, that goes into downtown.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now that was kind of the last event that a lot of these people were looking forward to, maybe for the weekend, but especially for the night.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they all spill into the restaurants, and all the roads are closed, and it's really quite fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say it is a different energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to walk through the, what do you call that?
[SPEAKER_01]: The open hall, where the, I'm blank out in the word, we're all the comic providers have a shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, walking through artisallion, then that's just a one portion of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then all the other retailers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, like for there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You like the exhibitors and
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really interesting, like a lot of obviously there's a huge congregation of people around the Marvel pop up with all the costumes, so people are stopping and they're playing the music, they're playing movies, clips from the movies in the background.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing is set up, and I know it's a lot of people are stopping more than other places.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to hear some of the dialogue as you walk through that, like some people being like, I haven't caught up on anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I heard someone say, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody said, who's the character?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Cyclops isn't this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there is a little bit of maybe like an awareness shift that they're having to do, that they did maybe have to do in 2019, that now as, oh no, Cyclops is gonna be in this end.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's why Toby McGuire might show up or whatever, or whatever, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which one?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, makes sense also for,
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember there was confusion ahead of some confusion ahead of Infinity Ward endgame like, oh, Deadpool began this movie and the people that, you know, the people that are like, well, they're both Marvel movies, you know, like Spider-Man's an end and
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a little bit of that, but not really, but we used to have to, we used to have to clarify, we'd be like, well, that's a Marvel character, but it's not a Marvel studios film right now during this short era, it all kind of is, you know, so did you notice.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the Marvel pop up.
[SPEAKER_01]: were they playing clips of like the brine singer X men stuff in addition to MC used stuff you'll appreciate this when I was there it was the shadow realm battle in Thor love and thunder the black and white scene that was playing um they were playing some Avengers themes but they were also playing jikino scores um fantastic for was playing a lot there was a
[SPEAKER_01]: like a giant head replica of a Sentinel and then there were six costumes in one area and then a Dr. Doom costume in another area.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Dr. Doom thing was kind of separate.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the six costumes, I took pictures of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was Gambit and Sam Wilson, Captain America, like a Vanessa Kirby, Sue Storm costume,
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what was there, was there an am ago, or there was a cyclops?
[SPEAKER_01]: Thor and a cyclops.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe I'm missing one.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a, well, I was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They also had a cosplay meet-up, like competition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I saw like, and I earn man or whatever, but that was not the actual official costume.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I have to say, why I have one common and one question on the costumes before you move on.
[SPEAKER_00]: seeing the photo of the Cyclops costume.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just after the panel, I rewatched the Doomsday trailer last night for the first time since earlier this week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And man, James Morrison, in that Cyclops costume is so perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's wild, like, it's like a better fit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's as good of a fit as I can imagine,
[SPEAKER_00]: I may be without any intention of ever having him look that part like it looks like you pulled Scott Summers out of Xman 97.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's low key, one of the things I'm most excited about.
[SPEAKER_01]: He actually did some interviews after the Hall H panel yesterday.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you just hearing him talk, go back listeners.
[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, subscribe to Friends from Work Plus and go back through our coverage of the original X-Men movies because it was my first time watching a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of our takeaways was that I'm ever you, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, oh man, it's too bad James Marsen kind of gets sideline for a lot of the original trilogy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas like X-Men 97 is largely centered around characters like Cyclops, the original X-Men movies, he's not as much a part of as you think for all these different reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he can come back by the way, he still looks great.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he can come back and looks just like a Scott Summers and hopefully get some redemption with that is really fun to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: the other question I had that I I had no idea this was a thing at all maybe nobody did until a popped up in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: what is the deal with these a lot variant which costumes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was the last thing I was going to say I named five costumes, but there was six total.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on, but it is important to know that they changed them each day.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there was a green one that was there, but then the next day it was a slightly different color or a different look.
[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously intentional.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my only takeaway.
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't doing this willingly, nearly none of the other costumes were changing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were definitely doing it as an easter egg, hoping people would pick up on the fact that I was changing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so is this some you would know more from the comics, is this some kind of which council behind Dr. Doom?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my my immediate thought, I think we talked a little bit about the
[SPEAKER_00]: Doom's mother is supposed to have been a witch in his origin, again, who knows what the origin looks like in the MCU context.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he also has a separate, a past with, with
[SPEAKER_00]: lover that that he kind of screwed over and that could be something.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it also feels it I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: It certainly calls to mind some Scarlet Witch type things.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I just don't know what that means.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: I've said this so many times, you know, I just, I stand on the fact that I think she's going to be a large part of it, even though she's not announced and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever reason, like just because of her character's tie, also to the X-Men.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, which stuff with Dr. Doom, I just, and then you have Elizabeth Olson, I just don't think you go, well, whatever, with that kind of thing to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's interesting, I've heard very, very good reports about vision quest.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that to me would be a perfect place to drop an absolute bombshell of imagine vision finding one at the end of that show or something or like just if there was something like that that would be a good thing to save to really bolster the TV side of things and then explain why she hasn't been talked about for secret wars yet or whatever theoretically.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think
[SPEAKER_00]: I still I just don't I don't know what to make of a lot of things and I like that like I like being in the dark here because I think that's a lot of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just think about this a lot this this weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: early on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the period when I was so invested in Marvel initially before the podcast and what kind of created a lot of the MCU passion for me personally, I knew very little about what was actually coming.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I think I knew about Thor Ragnarok not long before the trailer dropped.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's harder and harder for them to do these days, so I think they do have to get creative with Mr. X and things like that that they have done historically.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because of all that, I love that there are still so many question marks around this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this weekend kind of reiterate that for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like
[SPEAKER_01]: being a part of the news breaking stuff from stuff that they are giving me or telling me or showing me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get real ramped up about going through the weeds of
[SPEAKER_01]: who's supposed to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So even the leaker accounts who are trying to leak things before the panel, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't, it doesn't do an ink for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, I think there's actually a little bit of harm that is done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I think that no matter what, Marvel's gonna be secretive, it's a huge multi-billion dollar industry to make sense to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But don't you think they're probably even more cautious and they probably can't film on location as much as they would like Because they know stuff gets spoiled and I know it's going to anyways if you're filming in New York you can't keep everyone from seeing it But you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Christopher Nolan almost has like a weird
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... loophole where he can go to grease and you're not getting set pictures every day uh... right this i don't know and maybe that's just where they're filming it technically by point is if anything trying to know too much almost hurts our case because now they're forced to go into a backlot that's totally not off you have to say i don't know just well and and i mean you know i i think it's just a strange like
[SPEAKER_01]: Why, right, it leads to disappointment for you as well as a viewer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I, every now and then, you know, it's like, I don't know if this is a setting I should turn off, but it's like I pull up a Chrome on my phone to Google something and it automatically will populate like articles right underneath it that it knows I would be interested in based on
[SPEAKER_00]: Marvel thing from one of these kind of scooper outlet type things, and there will always be like new set photos of like so-and-so for Daredevil born again season three.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here, your Google search to see is all just pictures of different costumes from the from all the different outfits.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's all just like Captain America of
[SPEAKER_01]: But I here's an article you would like.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see those things and I'm like, man, I didn't even actively seek this out and also Who wants this really like I just we've talked about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't want to go with this but with this I do think Like I I was thinking about that for my own sake and then I was thinking about that Just to kind of transition into the whole age stuff
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw some of the stuff going around like the like the Eric Voss video, you know, like I think the other harm that can be done with this is
[SPEAKER_00]: As we will talk about it in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were some huge, really fun announcements.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm, we're going to talk about those in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But everybody had gotten in their head that they're announcing a whole new X-Men team and that it's going to be this whole thing and that everybody was in San Diego and that's fine to get excited and speculate.
[SPEAKER_00]: But
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say I'm even a little bit guilty of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that the night met my expectations, but didn't exceed them.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd heard so much about maybe Denzel or maybe a secret movie that's coming out actually in eight months or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And right, all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, OK, when they don't do it now, now I feel like down, even though they didn't tell me any of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was only leekers online trying to
[SPEAKER_01]: get me to think that or feel that or Denzel's in LA right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's headed to San Diego.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my guys, he spotted in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he might even, maybe he is in Black Panther 3 still.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what they're supposed to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what they chose to announce the other night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Before we talk about Hallates, the last little tidbit of information is it feels you know, last year, Marvel Studios wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it was really cool, but it was a little more geared toward some of your interests.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of comic writers.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the comic writers, Super Bowl and a lot of ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some fun panels of an animated show that we went to, et cetera, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: This year was kind of the inverse in that everything that I walked, when I walked around, you know, outside by the train tracks, I did the full loop through all the hotel stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything was either Marvel Studios, like Avengers, some Disney stuff like Percy Jackson, maybe they have knives into, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Apple TV had a presence.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, if you saw, if you saw our Instagram stories, it was either Marvel Studio stuff, or there was like a Widow's Bay pop-up, where I took a picture of that school.
[SPEAKER_01]: I took a picture of the sign that says cannibalism in the church or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that's in the background?
[SPEAKER_01]: I zoomed in on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a silo pop-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: They built a silo in the middle of a parking lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: that you could go outside the thing that's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then the cast of silo was there for there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the big panel rib of four hallates, the last one before Marvel Studios in Hollywood was Apple TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the cast of silo was there.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the cast of Widow's Bay was their Matthew Reese, phoned in, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't there, but Wick, Steven Root, Katie Dippold, who made the show anyways.
[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, it was kind of fun for me just because I was like, oh, by chance, it's kind of Apple TV and Marvel Studios here this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I also saw it wasn't green day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Green Day apparently played at Petco Park, which is right across the street, the baseball stadium, the night before I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a green lantern thing somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a little bit odd too, is like the other studio stuff like Sony DC, like I didn't see much of anything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember last year went to nobody.
[SPEAKER_01]: to was being reviewed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see much of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see much of.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I don't know if that's like what you said, the merging of studios or studios going, hey, you know what Marvel Studios is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll just take it off.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, off years and out or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, let's talk about Marvel Studios announcements at Hall H. Why don't I go through these linearly here and you can react?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of a tiny bit of behind the scenes here, as that Eric Voss video alluded to, this was a very, very limited seating thing, especially for press, because there were going to be so many cast members here.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a whole section reserved for cast members, friends and family, husbands, wives.
[SPEAKER_01]: um, managers, etc.
[SPEAKER_01]: So between that and all the fans there, which it's bigger than I thought, you know, 7,000 people or so, there was maybe rumored only 10 to 20 seats for people like me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, once I heard that, I mean, I love the support we give in this podcast, but I knew I am not on the level of discussing film and empire and
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Hollywood Reporter and New Rock stars, you know, like, so I kind of went down there thinking maybe I could get in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm disappointed.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get in the actual holiday, which is a bummer.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's a little bit interesting though is that the press room as you know is sitting on top of
[SPEAKER_01]: enough like I could actually hear stuff that was happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was a weird thing where I was following online live streaming, but also I go, okay, you know what, hold on, they're playing another clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I could kind of make out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So afterwards, I did see something like, for example, the very first announcement, we heard a actual motorcycle get revved up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like before the panel started, you could hear a motorcycle inside.
[SPEAKER_01]: like revving up and I was like what in the world are they actually so then of course the first analysis which is maybe the coolest one for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing goes black and they just show on the screen ghost rider, place goes crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They turn the lights on and Ryan Gosling standing there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So ghost rider played by Ryan Gosling, directed by Sean Levy is coming out in 2028, which is actually pretty soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the first movies after this whole multiverse saga.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I don't know anything about ghost rider.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm mixed on Sean Levy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's to the two things that I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a huge, you know, this Ryan Gosling fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it matters to have a little bit of star power.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it matters.
[SPEAKER_01]: When you can get a get like that with him coming off project Hail Mary Barbie, Lala land like all these big movies just for him to and he wanted to be involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been manifesting this for years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a me as a big deal just from the sheer star power of it when they made that announcement.
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember thinking, I know we had talked about that on the podcast years ago, not as a rumored thing that was happening, but it's something, I think he's like set it off hand at one point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we thought, oh, that would actually be really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a fun thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think now, even since then, I mean, if you look at what Gosling was doing,
[SPEAKER_00]: five years ago, like I would say he was a huge star.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was the lead and like Blade Runner.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was 2049.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the notebook.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember the time?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, and you know, like in law land, like first man, he was certainly a leading man, but I would say in the time since then.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of what you're talking about with Barbie, with Project Hellmeree.
[SPEAKER_00]: He isn't in a list superstar at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that it's a different thing than if they had cast Ryan Gosling, you know, even Lala Landera or it was a B plus superstar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not in quality, but in terms of recognition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a huge, I mean, I have to imagine that because I had read something where Gosling was obviously excited about that character,
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that you make a ghost writer movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't have Ryan Gosling, wanting to be a ghost writer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's the other thing I'll say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Star Wars fans pay attention here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't help but interpret this as amazingly good signs for this new Starfighter movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know why Kevin Faggy said that he saw it and it's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Disney and or Kevin Faggy apparently believed in this team enough to go, I would like Sean leave you direct, I would like Ryan Gosling do it, and the same
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, take that with a grain of salt, but I don't think you do that if that movie's not looking very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: So good news for Noah's fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would also say, when it comes to Sean Levy, I am, I am a stranger, the last season of Stranger Things, but you and I haven't really talked about a lot on the podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was encouraged when I saw his name attached to it, because I thought he did a great job with Deadpool Wolverine.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he did a great job with free guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did not think that a lot of stranger things turned out super well the last season.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure how much of that I will tie him to, but I think that if I'm looking at stuff like this,
[SPEAKER_00]: the Star Wars project Ghost Riders seem like they would be much more akin to the film projects that I just mentioned than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like he has shown himself to be pretty deaf to handling that kind of subject matter, like light-hearted sci-fi superhero thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to me,
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, like a little bit of like that Wolverine has the edge to it that you know, I think it goes right or movie would need to have he's clearly a fan of this stuff if you can't tell so that's a win and I'm also on board with pairings like if you say right right this is really working well in this movie this lead actor once this director then I'm going to go okay, let's like I'm a trust your word.
[SPEAKER_01]: on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, well, one more thing before if you're transitioning, uh, on on on on Goats writer, I just want to say again talking about the kind of buzz around the stuff and what people are looking towards.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually find it.
[SPEAKER_00]: refreshing that we can be so surprised by something, not just in that they were able to keep this under wraps.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure there are some people out there that we're talking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, surprised more in that there is nothing, there's nothing like pointing us towards this or anything that's like, okay, well, obviously now they're doing ghost writer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the thing about an exponent announcement.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, I still think that leaning into that right now is a strange thing to do when you're on the eve of this massive team up with the original X-Men characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: But also, I just think it's kind of nice that we're not, like in some ways, I feel like the time since that 2019 haulage that was so massive and set up almost every project we've had since then.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that long road map.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good point.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm not sure that that was so great, like in retrospect, because we've talked about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like the now it's all like missed expectations when a movie's pushed back or they didn't make this one or whatever from when he bounced it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like we, it's kind of like Kevin Faggy said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin Faggy said mile markers or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kevin Faggy says that the Marvel Studios has content planned out mapped out the storyline till 2042.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The next thing they did is they showed a trailer for the Avengers endgame on-court's call.
[SPEAKER_01]: The rerelease of the movie with some new scenes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Confirm.
[SPEAKER_01]: And apparently the trailer really put a focus on
[SPEAKER_01]: that line that we've talked about Tony saying, if you push, mess with time, it tends to push back or mess back and really focus on Steve's journey taking the stones back.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't fully know, did they, did they shoot like full blown new scenes of him or, or I don't know, I don't know, but that's because there's on September 25.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll have to make some kind of deal with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to do something for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, there are,
[SPEAKER_00]: They've said that there are things leading directly in the doomsday, which makes me think they would have to do something new, unless it's just something that the Rusos and Markos and Philly always kind of had some some idea like, you know, because obviously there were scenes that were cut like the scene of like Morgan
[SPEAKER_00]: older, you know, like in and Tony scenes after using the stones and stuff like that that that didn't show up in the final film, but yeah, I am curious to see that I was also thinking yesterday, I wonder what this release looks like in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like do you think that they'll have like screeners for this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like is this going to be something where it's released in a question?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know like like will they put that kind of focus on it?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they maybe should it maybe we all just have to go would be kind of fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, I am really you know, I'm always looking for an excuse to rewatch that movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know if it is if it's footage inserted directly into the film or is it like an extended credit?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Admittedly, I haven't seen that on court trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would assume that that is something that will release publicly very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some people even think tomorrow, Monday, or maybe the day you're listening to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I didn't see it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, I mean, I think it would be so interesting to make the call to go, because in game and infinity were specifically,
[SPEAKER_00]: we've talked about how well-paced and well-balanced they are.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to mess with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but then again, if you're just doing it for the purpose of people know the original and maybe you want to have fun with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's like almost more of like a, not an advertisement, but yeah, I think heavy emphasis on the post credit scene probably would be my guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, as I said, vision quest comes out October 14.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we didn't talk a lot about the TV shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's mainly because D23 is in two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, they usually handles the TV side of things more.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to imagine that's what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've heard nothing but great things.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did confirm Kevin confirmed that it comes out October 14.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of the two two big ones here.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, there was another scene of Spider-Man brand new day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to get into it done because as you're listening to this, I'm probably watching Spider-Man brand new day already.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've kind of already begun the process of shutting down all other clips.
[SPEAKER_01]: They showed another clip.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're close enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just wait and watch the movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: John Barrenth all interrupted his press conference.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like a funny bit to be like, hey, but there's another movie coming out first.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they showed a thing with Spider-Man brand new day.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... to kind of last big bombshells though they did show a new trailer or more footage for doomsday of injuries doomsday did you see the leak online at all eyes saw one of the quotes i think that
[SPEAKER_00]: that had been played.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I don't mind that stuff leaking so much, you know, because it's like, if because they're showing it, right, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's officially a presentation from Marvel.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the difference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so why don't you talk about what what you know about that new tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I heard it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I did see it afterward.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that you sell is their video that still hasn't been purged yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It got Persian immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I saw it when I was there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's, you know, somebody probably, right, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I could justify it because like you said, they were putting it out and I was there in spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was on top of the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I felt like I kind of want to see what I was hearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But who ever posted that video is currently like tied up in the back of a van.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's somewhere and waiting for Kevin Feige to come in interrogate them.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just say because I haven't seen it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I won't go shop by shop, but I think if you
[SPEAKER_01]: were a little bit left wanting more from the last trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was a much better look at Dr. Doom's powers and it looks incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say the big takeaway is that he clearly has a past relationship with Reed.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the big takeaway from the trailer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that there's a dialogue where he says, did you do this, Victor?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this you?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, like, repeats the line exacerbated.
[SPEAKER_01]: Victor, tell me this, you didn't do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's almost like he's pleading with a colleague of like, hey, come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the right though, that's the right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I like that dynamic.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because we had debated that, you know, hopefully he knew this read Richards, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Pedro Pascal and Robert Dungeon talked about that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Someone asked them what their relationship is like in the movie and they kind of joked were besties.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's a joke.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the way to skirt the question, but their clue is a relationship and that matters to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It means something, it means something to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, especially, I think that,
[SPEAKER_00]: If you, we said this years ago, but if you're going to do secret wars in any way that resembles the Hickman stuff and I know that they have said that they are attempting to adapt that to some degree, I mean, that secret wars is is really like you have the whole
[SPEAKER_00]: and that leads to the kind of destruction of the universes and all that, but secret wars itself is so much a read and doom thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's a very doom-focused thing and doom is such a fantastic for villain and the rivalry between him and Reed Richards and who's actually the smartest
[SPEAKER_00]: is the thing that like Hickman seeds in his fantastic forerun, and that's why people say that secret wars is really the, it's the finale of his fantastic forerun more than it really is the Avengers run.
[SPEAKER_00]: The one that I, yes, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what's the what's the chapter in that where he talks about the unsolvable problem?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the thing?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's always chasing member and that's all about everything solve everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I love that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Was there anything else from the from the wasn't there a there's a Thor another kind of Thor doom.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's action there's another little thorn Thor doom interaction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw just on the phone, you know, the thing that I think was that they were having that dialogue and having that relationship, but there were other clips for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: The line that, uh, I can't very much because it got taken down to the, the line that I saw Greg quote, uh, was something about Doom saying you've all been living on borrowed time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, or something to that effect.
[SPEAKER_00]: interesting because if you look, let me see if I can find the exact quote, because I thought it was Greg gets credit for flagging this, but
[SPEAKER_01]: While you're looking it up, I'll say, a fun little reveal was they set up three different stages that were behind curtains.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just kind of a fun little like some of the Avengers cast came out at the front and they're like, oh, but look in the back and then there was like the thunder bolts and then they're like, look over there and then like a third crew was blind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Florence P was not there Chris Hemzworth was not there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but dead pool Ryan Reddels was there in the crowd into the thing as like a fun bed of like, hey, are you guys going to call me can I, you know, and he was wearing the like great dead right suit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I think almost everyone else, you know, the Thunderbolts besides Well, and that's Sebastian Sandy there
[SPEAKER_01]: But Rudd and Maddie and David Harbor, Novonesa Kirby, yes Pedro, yes Robert died junior, yes Chris Evans.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I mean, most of most people in Baku Shuri, yeah, yeah, it's it's also like you can see at some point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really give all of those people, like, it's just a sudden huge cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably not worth the extra money to make sure they're all there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we've already, we've got you for the movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one thing when you have six Avengers, you know, but yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the line was all of you have lived stolen lives and now you must give them back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's, it's going to be based off this idea that they cheated time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and I'm so fast to see what Loki and the TVA's role is in this because that was their whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the whole TV thing was like, well, who dictates what is supposed to happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the timekeeper as well?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's actually Kang and blah, blah, blah, now he's gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the whole thing was, what were opening up the multiverse?
[SPEAKER_01]: And this could be a casualty.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like if this person wants to go left and let them go left.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this person goes right and this person takes this job and it creates all these different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so fundamentally, I think Loki, where we left him, would be against what Dr. Doom is saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Dew is kind of saying, no, you were supposed to die and not bring the stones back.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how it goes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, and you have to like, if if Loki had not or Sylvie had not intervened in any way, they, you know, they talk about in the first episode of Loki,
[SPEAKER_00]: that what the Avengers did and game was supposed to happen as part of the sacred timeline.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the understanding would be that in that version, when you've just had that timeline, as determined by Kang, right, who came from, I think the future of that timeline.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he, that I think is own universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I guess as long as that was the situation,
[SPEAKER_00]: It was fine, maybe, but then I'm, yeah, I'm curious now.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then does Dr. Doom disagree with that and kill Kang or something?
[SPEAKER_00]: And is there, you know, I, I've always wondered and I don't know what they're going to do here, but one, yeah, I mean, that would, that would be such a cool way to like pick up what got dropped with Kang, but also, you know, that scene where
[SPEAKER_00]: the source of supreme is explaining to Bruce and then game what will happen if the stones aren't returned to their exact place.
[SPEAKER_00]: I always think as like I have to watch and rewatch that sometimes when I'm going through it because
[SPEAKER_00]: You can imagine one, does that mean that he literally has to down to the nanosecond, put the stone right back where it was to prevent a branching reality?
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause otherwise, how do you totally prevent a branch?
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, do we actually know that Steve succeeded in doing that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he says, I'll clip all the branches.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's also what's also interesting is doesn't the ancient one then also say that we wouldn't have the stones to protect against the dark forces, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So she seems to put more of an emphasis on not that it has to be there at the nanosecond, but that we're going to need them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so it's maybe it's less the new branch opening up even though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although that would be kind of counter to somebody other projects not counter but the other projects put a more a more of a focus on what's supposed to happen she seems to put a little focus on we need them as tools a little bit yeah well and and you know it's also like is that even like Is that even possible to
[SPEAKER_00]: open a branch reality like if there is like within the context of the sacred timeline like is that all even like when she talks about well now there's this branch where we don't have the stones in this happens like I guess if the TVA is going that wouldn't even be allowed to happen at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like we talked about in Loki's season two, I feel like they've kind of approached the whole thing very nebulous.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've said just enough to tease it all, but they need to, I guess not land the plane, but set the record straight in doomsday.
[SPEAKER_01]: And once they do, then I think you'll be able to go back and go, oh, that's what they're referencing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they don't, then it's all just kind of nebulous, like different terms, nexus beings, and nexus, we can't end events from Spider-Verse and anchor beings, and there's all these different interpretations of a timeline versus a universe, versus a parallel reality, versus a time travel versus, and so it's all kind of out there and something needs to rain it all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where I think the reason I like that line,
[SPEAKER_00]: It does seem to really hook it into in-game in ways where, like, you could see it happening from a couple of different angles based on what goes on in-game.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you could see it being like what something that Chris Evans does, something about them
[SPEAKER_00]: bringing stones from other parts of the timeline, period, and being engaged in all of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that the fact that they're rooting it in that and the fact that you have the same creative team coming back to Doomsday, that gives me confidence.
[SPEAKER_00]: because I have read enough about Marceign with Philly's process.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about that for Infinity War and game, and how much thought they put into the mechanics, and how much they clearly enjoy making sure that everything prior to that made sense in the larger tapestry at the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there has been a lot more to reconcile in the last couple of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: disconnected enough to where maybe in some ways it's not as convoluted of a thing to have to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like they are well suited to approach a task like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I feel a lot better knowing that they're the people that did it in the first place, rather than somebody else that might be coming in, kind of wanting to flip the table and do a whole new thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because of what you're saying, I do think, I'm all for flipping the table and doing a whole new thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: after this, but I think that to make all of the last five years into a coherent narrative, you do need a through line to be established.
[SPEAKER_01]: Agreed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, lastly, and I'll get us out on this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Black Panther 3.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's going to be the name of it or if they're going to still change the title.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Black Panther 3 comes out December 15, 2028.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's there's still some rumors.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to get into the exact timeline of all these releases.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's rumors that maybe they push secret wars even further back, which would be a bummer.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then if that happens
[SPEAKER_01]: Ghostwriter and Black Panther 3.
[SPEAKER_01]: So TBD, I hope they don't do that because it would be hard to go, you know, 18 months with a podcast, not having a new film to talk about.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the bigger the bigger deal is that it's a actor named David Johnson, who's going to be playing a grown-up to Challa the to Challa that we saw.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know David Johnson.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is for sure that he is.
[SPEAKER_00]: the the son of Chadwick's to Chala, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's funny?
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I wasn't there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I read a lot of people like right away a couple accounts said this is the new black Panther or this is to Chala.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then fan said wait, so they're recasting and then a couple people clear if I know they're saying this is to talk to Chala Jr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, by the way, make so much more sense than just restarting and saying hey
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, obviously what's a little bit interesting is that kid in that Wakanda forever post-cred scene is probably ten Yeah, and this act younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this actor is yeah, probably eight This actor is no six.
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't even talk that unbelievably well this actor is actually 32 Although he looks he looks he looks eight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know how to explain it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just does
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... but does that mean he age naturally or could there be some kind of messing with time after secret wars like maybe whatever happens in secret wars we come back whatever a year gap or something yeah i mean it was that i think it's probably just a cast a guy who's a good actor that you look younger probably but it yeah i mean i i've i've
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Chadwick himself, I remember, I was surprised when I learned how old he was when he was in civil war because he just looked so much younger than he then the character he was supposed to be playing like I think he was like 40 or something and he was not like he was clearly not playing a 40 year old.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like, I think that end to your point about like Tom Holland, like they have Dave Dunne, Tom Holland was what 25 playing 16.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 22.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, Tom, yeah, and Tom Holland's now 30 and I guess 30 playing 22 year old.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I guess he was he was he was 20 or he was 21.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was 2017, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was actually one of the way was he was 30, 40 or something where you when he passed.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was a 39 and civil working.
[SPEAKER_01]: 30, yeah, yeah, something like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think I was just shocked because it seemed like they're introducing then like, oh, this is like the young new guy that's playing Black Panther.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like they historically have been OK casting older folks if they look younger to your point with Tom Allen.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I know I'm getting old because we're now like, oh 32, man, they're casting already.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've already missed his prime.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a little bit, you know, now when I actually see an 18 year old, I'm like, dang, they look young.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think like, they're could also be like, like, I might have, if, if Sadie sink is actually jingray, let's say.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a part of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I've never seen Jane Gray look that young.
[SPEAKER_01]: All the iterations.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's I always have this picture of like a old girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: In the fight, she was probably 35, you know, the original actress forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, it is like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It, with stuff like that, it is nice to see them actually, maybe be like students on the X-Men side, speaking on the, on the, to Charlie casting.
[SPEAKER_00]: One, I know a lot of people pointed out that David Johnson, I think his name was, was recently in The Long Walk, which can kind of saw the Stephen King adaptation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he does play, I think, kind of a high school age,
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe at the latest early 20s character there and like I had no idea he was 32.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that that guy was like 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's what I thought I looked him up a picture of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could totally, I mean, that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's just, it just doesn't really matter.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then also, I don't know, it is interesting if like what secret wars will mean and
[SPEAKER_00]: Like one of the things, one of the quotes that we saw come out of some of the stuff around San Diego and you may have some more thoughts on other things that you've seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I saw something from Kevin Feige about how after secret wars there was going to be a much more simplified, kind of easy to follow MCU moving forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm curious what that means.
[SPEAKER_00]: Practically, if that just means, okay, we're going to clean up all of the residual Sony, but not Marvel Fox, but not Marvel like deal with all of that once and for all satisfyingly that's almost certainly what it means it means like
[SPEAKER_01]: an explanation for why there's not two cyclops anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's going to be whoever is cyclops.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to say goodbye to Toby McGuire, a spiderman.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be spiderman, but it's a Marvel studio spiderman.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I'm saying and every way and every character.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like if we're going to tell a story about Gingray, it's going to be the Gingray we pick now.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is Gingray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not there is no more, I mean, unless like Sony goes rogue, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is no more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Marvel affiliated thing is Marvel Studios or it is well that's it and that's a huge question and problem they're going to have to figure out because you're right if Sony decides to make another Craven movie or Craven 2 that immediately makes it confusing for not or casual fans again because they're like, well, I thought that's a Spider-Man villain and so don't we have a my point is hopefully they've worked something out like, hey guys chill
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I do wonder because of that, like that gives me the impression that like we've talked about before, we're going to wind up on the other side of secret wars with the fantastic four in the 616 with, I don't maybe none of the X-Men I guess and just our new X-Men, but at least the fantastic four would be coming over if nobody else.
[SPEAKER_00]: You look at who is going to be left in the main MCU, because we don't know what their plans are with.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thunderbolt to everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I don't know how long with Isharite wants to stay in the franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you could see where you could do kind of a little time jump or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that would be easy enough to,
[SPEAKER_00]: to pull off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking you could do something like interstellar where anyone who's involved in battle world or secret wars, time doesn't happen there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there may be battling for a year, but it's actually 20.
[SPEAKER_01]: year or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm saying theoretically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you're not there, you've aged up, but that's why I like Florence Pue is still the same age when she comes back or whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it'll be you almost.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be really fun to see how they do all that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You almost wonder if they have to sit down with every actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Every single one in games or their interest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do they have to stand out with a T-shirt?
[SPEAKER_01]: I can go, look, I mean, do you want to do this for another 10 years?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause we'll keep you as sure, even with a new Black Panther.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want out, then this is your chance to, this is your chance to write you into a corner, you know, that you die or you go to this other world or whatever, you know, I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But do they have to do with everybody?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and yeah, cause I, I feel it with someone like Latisha Wright, I would imagine.
[SPEAKER_00]: that Wakanda forever was was maybe the last or next to last, you know, in like a multi-picture deal that she probably made back with the first Black Panther, like a lot of those folks did, but I, you know, like, I don't, yeah, I'm curious what kind of structure
[SPEAKER_00]: someone like Wyatt Russell signed up for, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, he's good when they were just kind of appearing in limited capacities.
[SPEAKER_01]: But James Marston, like he may be wants to stay around his cyclops, but then can you keep him as the main cyclops if all the other X-Men are
[SPEAKER_01]: city syncs age, but that's a relationship that doesn't work, but how do you keep Logan then if you don't keep Cyclops?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you do want Hugh Jackman Logan still, because that's like the rumor is that he's still going to keep going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then how does that work with Well, I mean, city syncs as Jean Grey?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, however, I will say that's one thing that there
[SPEAKER_00]: Think it was actually after secret wars.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were two, I think it was Miles Morales Spider-Man comes over and I think it's supposed to be, I haven't read this for ever, but I think it's supposed to be the old man Logan, like the comic old man Logan is like a alternate reality, and he comes over as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think during that period, like 616 Logan has died and has not end the mainline continuity.
[SPEAKER_00]: for a while, they were placed him with the older Wolverine from the Southern universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's all the the younger X-Men, but the older Wolverine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they could, you know, they could do that in part because Wolverine is one of those characters that it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: he works pretty well as an older, like, yeah, for sure, like, disgruntled.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, yeah, like, gruff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, I've seen so much old Wolverine that a young Wolverine would actually be kind of weird at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, I mean, I think the old, the old films, Hugh Jackman's pretty young, and it works there, but I think that it,
[SPEAKER_00]: It works a lot of the famous stuff in the comics that I feel like they're leaning into him having this this shadowy past and having been through so much and I think that that is enhanced by an older actor.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we got to get out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I desperately want to be in Hall, H if I'm here next year.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of one of my takeaways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want to experience the energy of sitting in there and sharing and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost, it's a different thing to see it live than it is to watch the replay of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where I say it met my expectations, but maybe didn't exceed them was just that yeah, we didn't get any other news we didn't get any Xman news, et cetera, which as you said, I'm okay with them playing it this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we don't know Sadie Sinkia.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll know tomorrow, literally.
[SPEAKER_01]: But depending on what that character is, if she's not Jean Gray, then I think it's really easy to say, look, they're just clearing the runway first and then we'll talk about it, all this stuff next year's Comic Con could be all these X-Men announcements, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_01]: If she is Jean Gray, then I still maybe feel that way, except that you're hinting at it early, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, and the more I think about it, I think if they handle it the right way,
[SPEAKER_00]: I am more okay with it than I would have been originally if they are saying, I mean, if they're following up on what they've already kind of been hinting at with Miss Marvel and what kind of forever about their being.
[SPEAKER_00]: mutants.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just kind of building towards something that's going to like planning seeds for something that will take off down the line.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm cool with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't want it to be like they're suddenly introducing this in a huge way right before doomsday.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was going to be like my my final word there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Man, I think this is such a huge deal this movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been talking about it forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw some of the quotes coming out from Evans talking about what made him finally come back and how he got like a dozen pitches over the last eight years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And finally, it was whatever came together with RDJ coming back in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, you look at the number of people involved.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it has the makings of being this massive event.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that if they had, if they had focused,
[SPEAKER_00]: much more on another big event on the horizon like the new X-Men, rather than like we have one new character that is really exciting with Ryan Gosling, and then we have the continuation which folks largely expected of the Black Panther trilogy with Couglar who is like at the top of his game right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that those are great projects to announce and to highlight
[SPEAKER_00]: that kind of work in tandem with and this is the big tent pole thing that's coming with doomsday.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they had put all the focus on something else, it almost would have made me uneasy that they're trying to already skip past doomsday.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm like, well, I don't now worried you're thinking that this is not going to be the thing and that you need to
[SPEAKER_01]: and that's a mention just plot wise.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the end of a story and so I don't want to know who makes it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I kind of think they're not announcing a Thor 5 just because he might die.
[SPEAKER_01]: There might not be a Hulk in this because maybe he doesn't make it in brand new day or he's on the table or something whatever my point is the more you announce the more I start going away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if there's going to be all these X-Men and we know the casting already, what does that mean for the old X-Men and like you started with the math and I don't like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather just let's let's get to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: let me get to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is a big week.
[SPEAKER_01]: As you know, I think we're going to have some version of content almost every day this week, essentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this, if you're listening to this, our San Diego Comic Con rap on Monday tomorrow on Friendsport Plus, a comic corner episode that you did with Greg and Tanner highlighting some spider-man stuff that will feature in brand new day,
[SPEAKER_01]: Wednesdays, my hope, again, this is all TBD, Wednesdays, my hope, I hope to have a spoiler free reaction video on our YouTube channel of just me giving you my seven minutes, six minutes, five minutes of how I felt like the movie worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Thursday night, our initial reactions episode should be available for anyone who's walking out of the theaters.
[SPEAKER_01]: TBD on Friday, I have a couple of bonus things I could put out, but I might just let us sit with that for the week and then figure it out next week or whatever.
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