[SPEAKER_01]: I got stuff for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Holy moly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to get some snakes and release them around my house.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I love eat people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love eat kids.
[SPEAKER_04]: These guys are the scientists of the supernatural.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lecturers leaving lessons for inquiring laymen.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are applying the scientific myth that do a world that baffle signs.
[SPEAKER_04]: They are the cryptids of the corn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every day, the European mouth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm more convinced you're a bunch of aliens.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it just stood up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it just kept going.
[SPEAKER_03]: And go on.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she goes, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_01]: These are idiots.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was laughing reading this, because I already knew how you would feel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Idiot.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the story?
[SPEAKER_01]: Fits your balloon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this isn't a UFO.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he also has big black wings and red eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Batman.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, mock man.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, mock man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, everyone, I think we know it's definitely what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So say it all with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a sandville crane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you try it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: You wouldn't need it?
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're probably toxic.
[SPEAKER_02]: There'd be a lot of poop in my face.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a six-foot alligator go swimming through the air and slam into a tree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back and crimson board in my guest.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am the great and powerful mystery.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm a J clone, one 91.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, is that a special number?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's on that locker right behind you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though we're in the bear den, I won't be talking about big cats.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before that, we have a lot by your big Ohio big foot jambory tickets big foot jambory three third year all of the speakers on Saturday will be free so all that's easy you don't need to take it to get into right but for Friday night will be doing games giveaways trivia dinner get to hang out with all the speakers with a we put on a special presentation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Jay does a hand stand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will I will do a hand stand.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know you can.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do a handstand contest?
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever can beat me in a handstand gets a special prize.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Friday night only.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need to take it to be either lover, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Whoever can beat me in a handstand contest gets nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if you're enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can even do a walking distance handstand.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can actually do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even when I was thin, I couldn't do a handstand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I went from being really, really weak and tiny to be in really bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I can do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it takes me a couple tries to get up once I get up on my hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: I get the good, you know, balance point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good for a minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then me and Jeb's second children's book is almost ready.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I will say this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is it has more information in it because that was a request from last time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but it's the interdimensional monsters book.
[SPEAKER_02]: The kids guy to interdimensional monsters.
[SPEAKER_02]: So some of them are a little scarier the first kids book, but we did everything very gently.
[SPEAKER_01]: good.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, there's black at kids and those kind of thing, you know, so it's still kid friendly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they are scary or entities.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, some of this stuff is scary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so it's just is what it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's good to be aware that kid, your kid should not trust any other kid with like giant black eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should instill that and then like this is something you should be aware of.
[SPEAKER_02]: The fear of the government.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not a fear of the government more.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, uh, a non-trusting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, an understanding of the government.
[SPEAKER_02]: What was it, Ronald Reagan said?
[SPEAKER_02]: We're saying you're never here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're saying you're never here as I'm from the government.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm here to help.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was that Reagan that said that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Could be something he said.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows?
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think he said we're going to get a death star.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you ever watch, why is kids, you know, they did a skit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, with a Reagan, where he's like, you remember that MTV pop up videos with a little, they'd have like little bubbles that would pop up on the screen, like little facts about the video.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm talking about?
[SPEAKER_01]: The wise kids, you know, did a skit with that, but it was Ron Reagan in a secret service carrying him down the sidewalk and like everyone's like gathering around and interview news.
[SPEAKER_01]: People are trying to interview the president and they're like, no, no, and they're just saying he's like, but he's like stumbling, they're literally carrying him, like, we can at Bernie's style down the sidewalk.
[SPEAKER_01]: and like little things facts are popping up and that they're all real facts which makes it funny and the funny thing was like he's like you know I really like those Star Wars movies and they're like oh really he's like are we gonna get a Death Star Mr. President and he pauses and looks over over getting a Death Star and like everyone's like oh yeah going nuts and crazy but it's real he really said that yeah oh good at least he's honest yeah we're getting a Death Star but just to watch over all of you
[SPEAKER_02]: ah, you've been getting a little ranny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Are you okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I'm been told.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe no.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I think you're just getting fed up with things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am getting fed up with things.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have been rather a season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's been a lot of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've just been rather busy lately, though, with everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of moving parts has put it that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it can be unsettling for normal life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then let's see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh oh, so the kids book will be available on Amazon just because of the printing is just I know good bad and different.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just much more affordable for us to do it on Amazon for now.
[SPEAKER_01]: For now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, it is just because any other get our own press.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like keeping the kids books around like the 15.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like keeping all my books under 20 bucks affordable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And with some of the other printing companies, that's just impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Especially for full-color kids books.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like they want it unless I buy like 4,000 of them it's like 17 bucks a book to get printed Well, we can get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, call our we get enough pre-orders for this book.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get you a nice one person puts in an order for 3500 actually if we do do like Excuse me, I'm sorry if we do do a
[SPEAKER_01]: pre-order or somethings of the store, we can at least get at least a batch because Amazon, if anyone don't know, a new print color on Amazon or anything in general, definitely more muted.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, muted and but it is much more affordable and yeah, chips internationally.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the other big thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like a drop shipper right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, not drop shipping.
[SPEAKER_01]: Amazon and kind of is right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they print in your home country.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that kind of what is that what dropping is I don't just kind of idea I got I saw a lot of books on Australia for this first kids book.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they print in Australia I see where they print in Australia.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a company right outside a Sydney Which I enjoy like if you're because we get the kick back, but then you're also spending some money locally to like if you're in Australia I know there most of the UK ones come from
[SPEAKER_02]: printing shop in Ireland, I believe, can I see kind of where they're coming from?
[SPEAKER_02]: Then most of the U.S. ones come from South Carolina.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just the printing shops they use.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, so be on look out for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then the first place at the debut is the Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have it ready for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo!
[SPEAKER_01]: That's literally like three weeks from recording time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe I won't, but I'll try.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't realize it was that close until
[SPEAKER_01]: We have the biggest big foot festival in the country coming up very soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: That.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hock and Hills Bigfoot Festival.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's you should come out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a very fun time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Extremely.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's tons and tons and tons and probably the most vendors out of any.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a whole fairground.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Giant fairer on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can camp there.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's hang out with Gary.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can watch you say shower.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can watch Jake's shower in the ditch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to try to catch the Hock and Hills pooper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we should set up traps this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like a big net, like bring a big butterfly net.
[SPEAKER_01]: My big saying that or just like a what's it what's the little like traps flick your Paul like a Paul trapper with a dog proof is what they're called.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I get one of them for the pooper.
[SPEAKER_01]: The mad pooper is like just foot stuck always hands stuck in like a region for toilet paper roll.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's getting ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's get to the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So my mom and dad seen a cryptid.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is true.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a cryptid sighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You called me idiot.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was last now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just as a recording this.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was less than a week ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that Friday?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was either Friday or Sunday Sunday actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's Friday Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had to be Friday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Had to be Friday because I would.
[SPEAKER_01]: We found the go and we went kayaking Saturday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Friday night, yeah, my mom had over the new property.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, me and Jay's new place and they were just, we're just hanging out.
[SPEAKER_02]: They come to see the kids, you know, every other night as grandparents do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially when they live 300 yards away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as the crow flies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so there's a there's a four wheeler trail that crosses a couple properties that they have permission to use.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she'll get to their house basically right along the creek.
[SPEAKER_01]: We we live on the same square block mile country mile as
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, your mom and dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a creek separating our properties like drive straight to their property right up and around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and they live on one road and we live on the other side of the square like a perpendicular to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not parallel road one of the perpendicular roads.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically they have to go out on to the road.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go down past the creek then turn up that trail.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right by the creek.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they leave in about 15 minutes later.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get a call.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's your scene something your dad's pretty measured or I mean calm He thought it was a guy When he shot at the big foot Well, he had to really.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's been well Dad twice these died twice He was in witness protection.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in a shootout So your dad don't run 11.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was in a shootout at 11 years old.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty young That's pretty young me as it in a shootout for your life
[SPEAKER_02]: And then what is protection at a tree farm in Oklahoma?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be cool though.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would enjoy.
[SPEAKER_02]: They did not care for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're dad?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they got to take it out of the swamp and put into a friggin desert.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean me as an individual I think that would be neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I enjoy There's a man hunting you to murder you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, not that part that part I wouldn't like but that just to pick me up drop me in a new place and like all right Figure it out you work in a tree farm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I would like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's from I think that's why I like Survival man less drought because I just dropped him in like wherever when he's blindfolded and
[SPEAKER_01]: He knew which way he had to go and how far he had to go, but he was built.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think I think for the most part.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got lost.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, maybe remember I was like a flash flood.
[SPEAKER_02]: They thought he was dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really, it may be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember if it was specifically believe that was less struck.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he called from a Canadian town, like there was in the middle of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, come pick me up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I made it here.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was like four or five weeks overdue.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because some kind of weather event, it's spontaneously happened to like, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like living in an elk carcass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like less strad so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, we got to get him on this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: They called, oh, yeah, back to your mom and dad, and they said they seen something coming out of the creek and running into the woods in front of them, uh, how many yards in front of them, you'd say?
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably 50.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, not very far.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, it's just short grass.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like it's blocked by anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when he called me, he said it was like a foot and a half, it's like two and a half feet tall.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was probably about six foot long.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you could see what he said underneath it's belly, you could see the space behind it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was tall, like legs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it had long legs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because people immediately said it was an honor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I will we'll come back to that because when he then the tail my mom was talking about the tail because that's what she focused on the most.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that extent it was extremely muscular.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was that tan it was a dark tan not quite black but almost like a dark tan to brown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And mom said the tail was easily just as long as the body.
[SPEAKER_02]: I should have one big swoop and it's thick as a baseball bat at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so they, they knew what didn't order.
[SPEAKER_02]: They knew what in the Bobcat first of anybody didn't know Bobcats have a stub tail and are spotted and striped.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was one solid color.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, big muscular long.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have seen outlines before up in Michigan where they also are no mount lines supposedly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been within 15 feet of one in Michigan according to
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we'll get to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Believe me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so they called me freaking out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So me and Jay go over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And uh, we're, we're just kind of walking just seeing if we can find the path where it got out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because basically I think you did say it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they, they didn't see it coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: out of the water, but they saw it walking up the bank base.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it was in a deep bank.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the creek.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all creek.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that runs between our property.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all in all in creek that they dug out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's flat on the bottom, and it's really steep.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mankside.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you used to have Neil team's pool, basically the old style cargo ships to St. Mary's.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's where the interchange was.
[SPEAKER_02]: So crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it is man manufactured.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's current shape.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, because all those rocks would have not been like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I always wondered that as a kid, like I always thought like,
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks weird like this is weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is the ground beneath us.
[SPEAKER_01]: The rocks are all shaped like this they in my head.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, no, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's from them cutting into them and they kind of because people say they look like bricks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's from what we did to like that type of rock breaks.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's cleavage point is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because there's a lot of it's like Flint and not Flint.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, granite ush.
[SPEAKER_00]: See it slate slate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's mostly slate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why do I say I don't know why I said that slate Is it obviously blue slate in a little bit of granite and it flakes at big good skipping stones really nice flat almost always breaks it too Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the layers like you can make nice Nice skipping stones.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would just make houses houses.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah We used to make little bridges across hog Creek
[SPEAKER_01]: That's illegal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, like foot bridges.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we backed it up once.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to present.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was 12.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we got arrested me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we find a flash flood was actively happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what, when we weren't looking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, uh, because all the, no, it just had happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just poured down poured like an hour or two before.
[SPEAKER_02]: So right after they'd seen it, right before they'd seen it is when the flash flood was happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I got water in the back of bowling alley.
[SPEAKER_02]: We found, when I was walking around, I found tests, dozens of deer walking around and brought day light because they were just all displaced in a bunch of bunch of bunch of baby raccoons.
[SPEAKER_02]: whatever little holes and nooks they were hiding for the day you know is flooded out so they were scrambling yeah so we found i believe it's trail and the problem was is it's all stone and grass so there's no tracks and yeah but you could see something big i'd been going up and down the water and coming back into the woods we look for tracks but yeah there's no money still stone and but grab like he's a lot of grass yeah um so i'm holding something that nobody knew was there
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I have asked around it by dad, asked around a giant like four foot wide Colvert like hole that doesn't go anywhere anymore, so it's basically a cave Yeah, I wonder if it was just an old like the drain that field.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was probably and to that end But yeah, it's illegal, so they blocked it probably, you know It's because you can't pull it out again So you just block the end bury it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's buried.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they all one sides open.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's basically a cave.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah So I'm like 30 feet from where it crossed
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and to it's like I wouldn't stick my head in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's right right in the tree line, but it goes down the hill a little bit so it's in our 15 feet like it's a big drop like right there you stepped into the bushes didn't know it was there you just fall and probably break your neck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you what you wouldn't know is there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, unless you have a flashlight like we did because there's some very high powered flash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very much a little burn you super super thick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't walk into those woods unless you have a path.
[SPEAKER_02]: The only thing I don't like about that flashlight is it gets really hot or a little shut off if you use it too much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unfold beam.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was used it on the full.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't want to explode in your hand like so dad is dad was like kept looking and looking and looking and looking because he was he was very sure it wasn't a bobcat what an amount or what an a bobcat what an honor yeah because we had seen honors before in that creek me Luke and Harper so my brother in the wheelchair and my niece were out there and Luke thought it was a panther
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a big log falling and it's big black head peaked up over the log Like a three foot tall log.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, peaked up over it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look at us and pick it down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow and Luke's like And the world is that because it's massive.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and we go like Like I mean, it is a panther.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know a big black cat and it does it again is a giant otter Giant yeah, a high river otter or giant otter.
[SPEAKER_01]: How big are those?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's six and a half feet long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't know about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Remember that's the one that killed the lady in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I remember that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know uh they get big.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Amazonian river otters are the biggest otters in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the day leave they get eight feet long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, that's a big one.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean keep mine the tail is a giant chunk of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's included.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the tail is normally about half the body length.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it's how they swim.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so yeah, so mama never very Adam, that does research and he's like, he's starting to feel crazy again, like when we seen the big foot all those years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I will not say what agency I reported it to, but for my father, I reported it because I'm like, you know, I'm trying to be as a biologist or an expiologist, whatever, you know, it's important to have this data and yeah, trying to be forth, you know, forthright with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, immediately within a half hour, I got an email back saying that my father just seen a bobcat and it's a common mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: But my dad's been around bobcats for his whole life.
[SPEAKER_02]: My dad had the first bobcat sighting in hardened county back in the 80s and his name's still on the sheet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that knows what bobcats look like.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They go in on Illinois.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's bobcats everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we have bobcats back down.
[SPEAKER_02]: We get on our trail cameras.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not uncommon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like in the 80s and even in the early 2000s, people would not have believed you if you said you seen a bobcat around us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they were here.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They never, but
[SPEAKER_02]: So immediately got an email back that my father, I just mistakenly seen a Bobcat and it's common Boba, I'm like, don't think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: I won't say which three letters it was But it's one I have history with and I do not agree with a lot of how they manage Ohio's wild life resources D I didn't say that And no Try keep going no
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but are you scared?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, you got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I knew I know because I'm the one that dealt with them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so we wanted to do an episode all about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so I have a couple articles.
[SPEAKER_02]: First about mountain line slash Cougars, which everybody doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Pumas, cougars, mountain lines are all the same animal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't think that is
[SPEAKER_02]: Disgusting off our their regional variants uh-huh a pooma is a little different but it's it's not even classified as a subspecies okay it's a it's a it's a regional variants yes meaning it just is a different color but if you took a bobcat or sorry if you took a outline from Colorado and a pooma from Florida
[SPEAKER_02]: And they liked each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could make viable offspring very easily.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're the same animal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Pumas are the word for them in South America.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a a few mungus range, one of the biggest ranges of any any large cap species in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mountlands are one of the most adaptable large cat in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so they're really incredible animals then there are stories of Dabbility we're talking they live in load deserts high deserts.
[SPEAKER_02]: They all way up into like Alaska Northern Canada They live in the Andes Mountains.
[SPEAKER_02]: They live in swamp deserts.
[SPEAKER_02]: They live in the jungles in South America deciduous forests
[SPEAKER_02]: They do not compete well with Jaguars, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're generally, when you start seeing Jaguars start showing up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mountains or mountains or pumas or cougars start beat receding.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so like in South America, they're much more common in when you start getting higher in elevation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because Jaguars do not normally care for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the name mountain line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this first article is by the Ohio Statewide staff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, before you get into, are we, are, I don't think you confirmed yet what you believe it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a mountain line, might have seen a mountain line.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: when make sure that stated first because I did not pro I did not how do you say that lead my mom to answering the questions by asked her to tell me about it she's like a tail of crazy yeah like what's telling me describing the tail she had one big swoop it was just long as the body and it was the biggest of baseball bat about that's a mountain line so for anybody that know like
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see in a second with house cats gets the other thing that agencies here in Ohio say that you see as a house cat right now there's optical illusions we talked about that a lot on the show where So I put the big foot in our back of our property my eight foot tall big foot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, and I just had people over for each kids over two weekends ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was asking them how big is that big foot back there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had everything from 12 feet to six feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's an eight foot tall big foot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's one sheet of eight foot tall metal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know exactly how tall it is, but it's 300 yards away.
[SPEAKER_01]: And under trees.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the trees make it look small.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or a big.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess just depends on, because the one kid is like, I have to be like 13 or 14 feet tall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so it's just it's showing you that obstacle, like humans can are really bad guests that are normally of size.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so I a cat can look like a mountain lion with like optical illusions.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's actually much closer than you think it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it looks bigger, but the big thing with mount lines and ideaing them is the tail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So a house cat has a thin, very, very flexible tail and they'll go up and down.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mount lines have a thick rigid or tail that normally has the one swoop in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: one big swoop, then it's pointing up and then it's thick as a baseball bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's almost muscular powerful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because he used it for balance and trees and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I would never describe a house cat's tail as muscular and powerful ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is Mount Lianciting's reporting on how despite state extinction by the Ohio statewide staff and this just came out this year.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like literally three weeks ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fresh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just think it's funny because it's just like, they're like, no, no, Bobcat reports Mountline saying she just surfaced across Ohio each year despite wildlife officers maintaining the species is extinct in Ohio for more than a century and there are no Mountlines in Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mountlands, also known as Cougars and Pulbons, once Rome, Ohio, were expated in the state during the 1800s due to habitat loss, prejudice hunting and human settlement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Today, the Ohio Department of Natural Resources says there is no known breed population of Mountlands in Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even so, residents' regular report seeing various parts of the state having to encounter with Mountlands.
[SPEAKER_02]: Many people described seeing tan colored cats crossing their road.
[SPEAKER_02]: Moving through fields in a period on trail cameras.
[SPEAKER_02]: Social media groups have also been dedicated to a high amount line settings.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if a touch or track the thousands of members who share photos, videos and firsthand accounts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to that Facebook group.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did for this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are pictures of mountains on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say 80% of them are house cats.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there are pictures of mountains on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we talked about locally here a lot of farmers and people often had a one Kyle seen one we had friends that have seen them and I'm wondering I mean those are just outmines, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no those are different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, those are probably jaguires in my opinion
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay, interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: The reason being is a millenistic or a black mountain line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's extremely like one in a hundred million or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's a numbers game.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at Jaguars, it's like one in three.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's much, it's much easier to get a black Jaguars.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, it was a one random thing one time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody used to be a black cougar.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: But for it to be as regular as it's happening, it is a different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Black cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, but another one that shares many, many similarities.
[SPEAKER_02]: is that Jaguar yeah got you okay you can say covertly evolution like they're very very similar cats but they are different they are different Jaguires mountain landscape of the water they're not great swimmer though but Jaguires really like they love the water so Jaguires will normally appear like we're talking when they co-occur it much heavily forced in wet areas and mountain lions will start appearing
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're co-occurring in the same region, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's called niche partitioning.
[SPEAKER_02]: So for everybody at home, niche partitioning means that they occupy the same niche to the same job in the environment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Big cat apex predator.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what they do is they split the job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that way, they're not competing with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: A lot of animals do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: For example, like rhinos, will-to-beast, buffalo and goats in Africa, all eat grass.
[SPEAKER_02]: They eat the different pieces of grass.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's like there's ones eat the tops when he's the middle and eat the bottom.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like candy corn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it is a way to think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like their certain parts.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, so like cows and goats in captivity and farming, that's why you got to mow the grass to keep it in a certain length.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because they only like that part.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're so now they've evolved to specialize in that part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if a cow can't wrap it's tongue around the grass to pull it, they can't get it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if you're cutting your grass to short your cows can't do anything with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Invites versa.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it's goats, goats are, look, eat anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will try.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they can start choking and stuff like that,
[SPEAKER_02]: I have watched a go eat a 12-year-old elementary, but uh, what are you, I'm sorry, I was talking a lot, but what were you saying about Puma's and our in drag wire started to answer it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, kind of yeah, I guess I was just checking to make sure uh, those sightings and accounts weren't just more of these, uh, mountain mines that supposedly don't exist here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, there's a lot of history of it here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, uh, but I guess if they're different animals, it's a little different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which, uh, we can, we, we'll talk about range maps here in a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we can talk about both animals range maps too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, um,
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, anyways, experts say most reports sightings are ultimately identified as bobcats.
[SPEAKER_01]: go figure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Experts say if I remember I never remember to post anything with these episodes yeah they come out like two weeks after we do them but if I ever do I'm going to try to post a picture of a bobcat next to a mountain lion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Make it a cover photo like if you're a city person and you've never seen either animal yeah and you just see a big cat because keep my bobcats are not heavy but they are very tall yeah so if you see in a three-foot tall cat
[SPEAKER_02]: that was freak out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very scared of Bobcats.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they've made it me, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: If you I've seen them a lot in the wild and like that, and you just go the other way.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Bobcats are really good at killing dogs.
[SPEAKER_02]: If a dog gets after him, they don't normally go out of their way to kill a dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if a dog gets after him, when a mountain lane's mostly going to run away, yeah, a Bobcats can turn and fight back and get that dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bobcats can be scary.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've seen those videos where they're stalking people like,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if any, if there's been any unprovoked kills, yeah, buy a vodka on a human.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I know they have killed people and they're very underrated because they are they smallest of the big North American cats.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but they can jump like 14 feet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, cats are just even a house cat, not the thing that's going to kill you, but when they go mad, mancunes kill people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, those can, that's not a house cat, though.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not normal because they come up later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, because I mean, house cats, though, I don't want to be around when it's like aggressive or trying to attack me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Screw that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I know I could just kick it, but I don't want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I also don't want to be bit and scratched up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It hurts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Bobcats are now found much across the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: How can appear larger than expected, especially when viewed from a distance?
[SPEAKER_02]: The ODNR has documented thousands of commemorative bobcat sightings over the years as a species as expanded its range.
[SPEAKER_02]: So when my dad first called in the bobcat, they told me he was wrong and he'd see a house cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like the same thing over and over again.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we can talk about why here in a little bit, but Odeno officers revealed that our repeated states that they are not aware of any confirmed while cougar populations in Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: In 2018 and Odeno while life management supervisor said the agency had no confirmed cougar citing in the state and noted that many reports are likely mistaken.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know we can involve in broadcasting house cats even though like we have a confirmed
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't go out and investigate and find a box or a mountain line and that's the thing is I reported it and they said it was a bobcat
[SPEAKER_01]: So no investigation.
[SPEAKER_01]: So therefore it doesn't exist never done live here.
[SPEAKER_02]: People, yep, however, the possibility of an occasional mountain line passing through Ohio cannot be ruled out while if it means he's a neighboring Midwestern states, including Indiana, Michigan have documented rare instances of transient coogers bleed of traveled hundreds of miles to establish Western or from a established Western populations.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so this past year, there was a mountain line outside of Detroit in a park.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: In this lady is like, film me, you, everybody at home, you can find this.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I remember I'll put the video in the link, I won't remember, but you can find it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and she's like, video, I take in pictures.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like in a bush, it's a big old mountain.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody believes her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, uh, finally somebody comes down like, oh,
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a career in that book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's wild.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so we'll lady walking and talking just like hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a mountain line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what are you doing in there?
[SPEAKER_01]: My uh, oh, I just remember this.
[SPEAKER_01]: My uh, grandpa, while my grandma and grandpa's house when I was a little kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: This story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they had a mountain line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not they had.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were cloning a mountain line for the neighbor mark that lived across the street.
[SPEAKER_01]: He bought a mountain line and stored it in my grandpa's barn in a big cage while, and when we were little, I only saw it once, but we weren't allowed to go in the barn when the mountain line was in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was a mountain line in a cage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know why he, I honestly don't know why he even had that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know why or how, but he, a hundred percent had one in the cage and he just let it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the I don't know what ever happened with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was only there for a couple weeks like at my grandma and grandpa's but probably let it go.
[SPEAKER_02]: I tell you that could have that a lot of people did that I just like the second they get too big and we talked about with hyenas and everything like yeah they're just like all right leave
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not good in recent years Ohio residents have continued reporting suspected Mount Landing counters and it increases every year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything from Southern Ohio to Eastern Ohio, Central Ohio and even North Western Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some sightings have prompt investigation by wildlife officers, though no breeding population has been confirmed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have curious, I
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, bringing populous.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm looking for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're when I start reading more Oden in our articles.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is the key terminology.
[SPEAKER_01]: no breeding population so basically you know mother and cub yeah i've been found correct or even just a cub like you if you have a cub then you know there's a bring population and let's what's that thing called like we're chickens uh... lay fertilized eggs even though not chickens or is it chickens chickens late unfertilized eggs well there's no mail nearby but what's the ones with the animals that can leave fertilized eggs even though there's no
[SPEAKER_02]: Turkey's do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Partho Genesis.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's called Partho Genesis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's like big cat out there with what in rare instances For it's I mean, I've never heard of it in a mammal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so but I know what actually you have Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, Partho Genesis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's why they name the first chapter of Genesis because Mary give birth to a boi
[SPEAKER_01]: What, a part of the injustice, it's always a girl.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a cloning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's only one side to get A's.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let Mary's telling us something.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know that sounds glass from this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Where's the lightning going through the window?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just went and see like a tornado start forming.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Final cloud.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's funny where we're all joking here.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not I am Jay does not speak for the crews are going podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll sit in my cross up here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm just a I've been a guest host this whole time just a guest
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... where was i uh... some uh... no confirmed reading population they say that constant you already caught that they say at all the time no breeding population and they will not they will not answer anymore like since 2017 they've said no breeding populations of gougars exist no how and just keep it that way
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, because it's what I believe that the transient males and occasional females are entering a while are we are are we going to get into why they don't want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you can for okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll hold on to that and no DNR.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hold on to that question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me finish this order because I've got two more paragraphs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know when DNR, why I left us reported observing what appeared to be mountain lion in Jefferson County near Fernwood State Park.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, an OD and our wildlife officer saw a game warden saw one in front of wood state park Highlighting weather topic continues to generate interest among Ohio residents So the DNR says mountain lines do not exist in Ohio a DNR officers like saw one that's a mountain line And as boss said no bobcat
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, ah, a long-tailed, plain colored Bob kept.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe it got, uh, it's tail stuck in something and train or run away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It stretched it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why the officers encourage anyone who believes they've seen a mountain line, the document they animal with a photograph or a video.
[SPEAKER_01]: She need both.
[SPEAKER_02]: And report the sighting to the Ohio Wildlife Reporting System.
[SPEAKER_02]: Verified evidence is needed though before the sighting can be officially confirmed and or researched.
[SPEAKER_01]: It should or research.
[SPEAKER_02]: They will not come out normally unless there's credible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: photo videos like what they're asking for helps.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do believe like if you had livestock killings they would have come out for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bobcat or sorry, Mountlands far as I'm aware very very rarely target like smaller smaller farm animals like birds and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not saying they don't because there's plenty of cats like there's videos out in Colorado of them eating people's house cats on their front porch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: So wow, there was that one guy that came to his garage to feed his house cat and in a garage in an enclosed garage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and there's a mountain line sitting there eating his cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's like jumping at him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So cats eat cats.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's every.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, some stories about lines in Ohio presents, while I've experienced, say the evidence continues to show that Bob cats are the only established wild cat species in Ohio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, what I just say, only established wild life to be established.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's important words.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have more, but go ahead.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why does it, well, I doesn't, yeah, the DNR.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was my question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Or Ohio State, when we can go past the DNR because I don't, I just state of Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because I don't speak for the DNR or the Ohio EPA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: How you pay has very little to do with this at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not their forte.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they got to, if they got documented as being here, they may get involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my question is, why did they make it seem like they don't want there to be confirmed sighting?
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's several things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Life stock insurance will change with a large predator.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, even though we're mountain lions are common and they're extremely rare that they
[SPEAKER_02]: But let's just say, for example, we have 80 billion deer here in the state of Ohio that they can feed on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's just say, for example, is it because like, uh, someone's whatever their livestock ends up dead, and they're like, well, it was my sensors amount.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mine over here is probably that mountain line.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they collect their insurance money.
[SPEAKER_01]: that can be.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what but then what if two with the same thing like the double set of coin is if a farm or a, you know, our farmer knows there's a mountain line out there and they end up wiped out.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that happens a lot with wolves out west.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that so they'll kill their own they won't I've never said I've never seen somebody kill their own cow But let's say their cow drops dead and they will like they will make it look like a wolf kill That's just so they can collect yeah because of the cow drop that in your own years.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's, I mean, that's still ensured, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something to agree, but it's different.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, well, disease is different than like attack attack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not believe most insurances will.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm speaking out of turn here, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I believe that it is more valuable if you, if the livestock is killed by something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're rather them drop set of natural causes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they're not going to ensure a natural cause death.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least not as much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like an old, a 30 year old cow.
[SPEAKER_01]: exploded.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need my comment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, literally you blow to my retainer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I ensued him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just died.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: So immediately.
[SPEAKER_02]: Other people from three letter of government agencies in our no-high have said to me and I've seen them say it in other public spaces that we do not have the funding for their to be Mount Lions in Ohio Interesting okay saying that the amount of it once their document is being back and that's why none of the Midwest is said they're back Like when we talk about the range map out here in minute their sightings all through the Midwest, but they're not back Yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: and all the three Appalachia, and they're not back, but.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no that they have claimed there is no money.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are no scientists.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are no research like for people here that don't understand the state of Ohio has like two fishery biologists.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're like, they had to have everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ted and Gary.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know them are names.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when I.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, one's named Brian.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: How's close?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian and Dave actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: goodman for their off.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do not even know we have.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know we have a bad expert.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't even have a mollusk.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's no there's no mollusk or grapefish expert at all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no crustacean expert.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's an niche out there for any of you crustacean lovers or mollusk lovers.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're listening.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Ohio and many other states are extremely lacking on that and the public outright, it's going to come from a new A price predator, even though in my opinion, they're not new, but it's the same thing with big foot, like the second, the DNR or the House at government or the EPA, whoever says, yes, mountains are back to Ohio, it's going to be panic and hell.
[SPEAKER_02]: Even though we just had one scene here and I've changed nothing of my daily habits.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because they've always been here.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like my opinion on the big foot, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was scared when I seen one as a kid.
[SPEAKER_02]: As an adult now, if it wanted to get me, it was going to get me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had every opportunity we play in that woods.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like,
[SPEAKER_01]: you were out there with.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, it was just screwing with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In a fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's version of a fun way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's, I mean, I mean, if it wanted to kill us or get eat us or whatever, it could have very easily many of types before the same with mountain lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: People hike where we have a collared cat hundreds of collared cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's so rare to get an attack on a human right where there's hundreds of individuals where humans and mountain lions were people are walking beside mountain lions constantly and you don't know it right Like that news lady.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where she thought was a dog was it a mountain lion or was that a bobcat mountain lion?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I don't remember.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought you were going to say cougar like same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it was a mountain lion She thought was a dog because they had just had one like a big sighting and that trail Yeah, and she wanted to show how dark it's trail is so they turn it off and the camera the bush
[SPEAKER_02]: Like walk beside her and it looked up at her and they kept walking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just kept walking like she looked down at it But she couldn't see she like I thought it was somebody's lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, someone like something brushed against her But she didn't care cuz she had seen dogs or yeah, so she assumed it was somebody's dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was calm and they didn't care didn't care at all Why all do you guys should look that news clip up so there that's one thing is that the pandemonium
[SPEAKER_02]: that will the I believe has no credibility, but for what we've talked about with bigfoot, especially the camping and hunting and forestry industries here in the Ohio and the Midwest is I'm billions of dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And nobody wants to fluctuate those like for the Ohio State, the tax revenue, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: For fishing and hunting licenses and camping permits in the state parks and stuff like a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It adds up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you go to salt
[SPEAKER_02]: giant lodges, which are awesome.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and I love staying out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, Salt for State Park Ohio.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Hocking Hills one that they just build.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, then brand new like lodges thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was gorgeous, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I'm all for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you start saying that Mount Lyons are back in Ohio, that's going to affect things.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it'll be as extreme as some people predict, yeah, but it's going to the towns people, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And we talk about how the natural resource agencies, not natural resource, how do I say this?
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the the lodges and the trails and all that they make their money off a weekend hours, 99% of the time, the camping industries weekend hours, yeah, this that, you know, it's weekend hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: So your people are much less likely.
[SPEAKER_02]: to go out and leave Columbus to go camping hockey hills and a tent.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they think there's a mountain lion, it's going to rip their 10-0 by the heat of people that's never going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can have dozens of mountain lions.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just look, it's like just look back at the history and all the mountain lion attacks.
[SPEAKER_01]: and stretch that out over that many years of how it's how many it happened versus how many has never happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: And just see that it's very rare.
[SPEAKER_02]: Most time the mountain line is sick or damaged or extremely young.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like the one that guy choked it at the beat to death of the rock.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like it was only like a 60-pound mountain line.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very thin.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was starving.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like this thought I can think of it this way like all of our state parks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say there's one sighting like we have one that's confirmed and now they have to put up like safety precautions for people and they don't and they don't want to have the money.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right same thing they'll never admit big foot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right but I guess I guess I was just saying like uh they don't have the money they wouldn't have the money port so they're going to not
[SPEAKER_02]: uh, it's easier to say they don't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's easier to tell.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's easier to tell somebody to build a farmer that you did not see a mountain, you see a bobcat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though he seen bobcats his whole life rather than building all this new infrastructure for a tax that just simply don't happen, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they are there, it's like, uh, it's like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I can come for a big one right now for because they're expanding ranges again, and
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not scared of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I've been around wolves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've been around wild wolves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've seen wild wolves.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not scared of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, every time I've seen a wolf, you know, in Michigan and other states, they have gone the opposite way of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have nothing to do with me animals most of time are not dumb enough to matter the human right like I said It's extremely rare conditions in events animal starving.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hurt Or you accidentally threaten the animal Whether you've chasing on a trail or you like mountain lions there's some people walk beside them out west Yeah, because they sit and they hide and if you if they don't think you see them They're not gonna move right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna let you go right past them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He still is a stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: It just shows to me like it's on the parent obvious disconnect.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have with nature where we have to now it is modern day.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to protect everybody put everyone in a safe little bubble.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they can just be with in nature now because there might be a threat out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas whereas there might maybe a threat exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's just say there is like they are more people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say let's say they're not saying there's a threat.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say there is confirmed population out there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they we know they're back and
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think what we should be doing as a change rather than trying to protect everyone with all this safety, for your safety people, everything now is just for your safety.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it was never that way before and somehow humanity managed to make it to this point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get in really ranty.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm just saying, we don't need, I don't, it's highlighting basically this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You don't need to protect the debris second of you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, and it all comes down to money, like you said.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what drives everything more about money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that drives everything in the world, especially as country, if you boil it down, it does come back to just money.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think that should be the foundation in which we live our lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this is a highlight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, the last thing is they are fairly protected.
[SPEAKER_01]: mountain lands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then if they amount like in the whole country, I know it's better all but like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, even in areas where they're not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they may be getting close to flipping off on some of those areas.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, there's there is a couple of places you can hunt mountain line.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Where there are populations are stable enough that they're allowing hunting and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're controlled very controlled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but in most of their ranges, they are endangered.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, some of the areas are endangered.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then some of their areas are critically endangered, the last step before extinction.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like the Puma and Florida, which is a mountain lion, is they think there's like six to a month.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's more than that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But so they are like right there of not being around anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have exchromated from the earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: When you bring a new endangered species into a state,
[SPEAKER_02]: As far as business, money, and decisions go, is pandemonium on that side, because it stops a lot of construction.
[SPEAKER_02]: You have to reevaluate habitat as a determined what is protected, what's not protected, and then the federal government gets involved.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wonderful, which for an endangered like a population like this is probably better I do not like file government for anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't don't get me wrong But when you're dealing like with a population of animal that is so widespread You have to look at it big picture not state lines right yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you can't say you can't look at it like that Because that's how the species disappears fair in my opinion So They don't want that
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I do think in some of our agencies, if there is a lot of problems, I think there's a lot of corruption, I think there's a lot of favoritism, and I think that a mountain lion would maybe shine a light on some of those things.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... because there has been some of the agencies have gotten a trouble in recent years for these things that's okay so i think bringing in a new large predatory endangered species would be all hell like that's why they say there's no wolves in the lower peninsula michigan even though we've seen them we heard them yeah i i could take you to where there's a wolf right there right yeah and they say there's no wolf's in the lower peninsula
[SPEAKER_02]: There's that imaginary line that they don't cross.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same with those are an Arkansas and Oklahoma like I've been on that very edge like I'm walnut by you in Arkansas within a mile of Oklahoma with a game warden and he said there's no oh there's no wolf in Arkansas as we can hear them all in Oklahoma.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was doing as the joke, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very nice man, but he was kind of highlighting the As an I nature of that comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like he was like, yeah, there's no wolf, so even though you can hear him there a mile that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not basically howling.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do not cross.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty far more scared of the pigs in the wolves and he warned us.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like people get hurt by the pigs because nobody takes him seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they will come up and they will go for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: They kill cows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the pigs are wild pigs are very scared of pigs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not my pigs.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, if you're just cared of those, you got other problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Atlas takes his hand in the one pig's mouth and they keep money.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could just sever this fingers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just like, Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know there's like, God, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you done yet?
[SPEAKER_02]: Can you go get some dog food?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give me some of that dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching the one little pig figured out the dog food.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: When he was done eating, the dog's done eating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Flipping it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll jump up there and hit it with his nose and flip it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it pours out and he'll go eat it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: as pretty fine seem to twice things are too smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're pretty smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that these are my opinions on the big problems if outlines get proven to exist and how besides the DNR I'm what does not have the people I'll tell you that right now I've worked a lot with and not I have not been hired by the DNR but I worked a lot yeah sister groups with the like in DNR and in
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't have a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: The NR doesn't have a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: How you pay doesn't have a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the Ohio EPA permanent staff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like for counting like everybody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe like 50 people I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's their offices like tiny.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's not a lot of people.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they hire seasonal workers, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we did temporary.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like the same with the ODNR.
[SPEAKER_02]: Each office probably has.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not counting game burdens.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we have a severe lack of game where it's here in Ohio because we're supposed to have one to two per county and we have several counties that one game one is running several counties.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's why poaching is getting to be such an issue here in Ohio because they can't cover all the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: And.
[SPEAKER_02]: everybody has a negative story about a game warden right because you remember the bad ones uh I do we have a lot of good game wardens to uh my the two states I've loved the most is Michigan and Arkansas uh running into the game wardes there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Michigan's been my favorite for a game warden's just because they they're state realizes how much of their money comes from comes from tourists.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Outro theaters.
[SPEAKER_02]: The warning like they there's warnings.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, every time I've done something wrong with accident, I've been politely told, but I've been doing wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can correct it, I'll correct it and that kind of, you know, can't fish there, you know, it's gotten, like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're nice, is what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just people.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not, uh, uh, authority figures, just flexing their authority because they can.
[SPEAKER_01]: That I don't like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember, we're all humans at the end of the day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this next article, I'm just gonna, we've talked a lot about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is by Sidney from 2000 in 25, but Bobcat's Mount Lions, Bobcat's been back, Bob, you know, coogers and Mount Lions.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's talk about their historic range.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, pretty much all of North America up until not quite to Alaska, but most away through Canada, um, uh, down through South America, everywhere, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All east of west coast, yeah, there was no spot, and all of the United States, there is no spot Mountlands are not native to okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now currently, probably the closest pipe quote unquote by our closest confirmed population we have to Ohio is probably Florida.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: And because the rest of them are out west.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it just because I 75 runs from Ohio to Florida?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's it's how it got here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and so you can see it's way out west What a red the red is where they are now and the yellow or the oranges where they use it used to be historically which base okay, so I'm going to describe that to all The rest side of the United States is all red basically anything Rocky mountains and west Yeah, I let it rest everything here some isolated populations in Canada now and like I won stuff now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will I know okay, and then Florida You know, I just want to go to Montana.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to go to Montana so bad
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone out, Lady Lister's out, Montana one, and Vital Sal.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm game.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and then here's another comment about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mountlands are not known to have any thriving populations in Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, I agree with that comment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, they're either extinct or severely reduced population.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, how are excavated?
[SPEAKER_02]: Extrupated.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, the orange is also considered severely reduced.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So borderline, like non-existent, but they could so be there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was in 2014, Western Mount Lyon was absolutely identified in Shawnee State Park, South Central, Ohio, near the Ohio River in Kentucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: While they've officer spotted the animal and took a photo of the animal and the cat disappeared in the tree line, here's the photo.
[SPEAKER_02]: But no, it is a hundred percent amount of that you are wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you're looking at.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're mistaken.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would poopy myself if I seen that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if I just looked up in a tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: But man, they have really pretty eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but that's yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are really pretty animals.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the end not going to lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was a photo taken by a wildlife officer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he see a bobcat?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: His boss after he probably posted that or whatever's like delete.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be fired.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're so fired.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why I hope you really enjoyed your last day here.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to miss you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Clay Park sand in 2015 on an April, the Ohio Department of Natural Resources Investigators Fisher set a Paul Prince.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were about five to six inches in size each.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty big.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what they what they said is it was either a large dog or it was a hoax a large dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's very different paw prints between a dog and a big cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, the prints look very cat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have the pictures of the print right there?
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a picture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what I'm seeing there that I don't see is claws.
[SPEAKER_01]: are not claws but up close nails nails what what do you call dogs nails just nails okay yeah there's no nails in what if you guys didn't pick that up dogs can't retract their nails like cats do when they're just normally walking around and and that culprit there's no nails
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, and just so everybody knows bobcats have been confirmed in 86 out of the 88 counties in Ohio.
[SPEAKER_02]: neat.
[SPEAKER_01]: So bobcats are for sure a thing here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they're 10 years, they've had 5,000 reported sightings wasn't there within the past like five years or so I remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, people talk about big tracks and big prints out and fields like farmers, but I don't remember if it was big like coyotes that we had one here in was it a big cat track yeah, it was just out here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, I'm free at the town.
[SPEAKER_01]: Newstark.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was Bob or Mount land tracks in Arlington.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was literally naming Arlington's tiny, but I wasn't even all the tiny ones around it.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's, by the way, and then another one is the Black Cat stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: In 1877, a Panther terrorized sheep in livestock in St. Dusk, Yohaio, the animal was confirmed to be hunted down and killed by locals.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, we don't do that anymore.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, well, this is why they were scared of us.
[SPEAKER_01]: It should we should have done that with that mount mine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We did.
[SPEAKER_02]: We tried.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, got a just rallied group surrounded that square block with people and we all start closing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So local sheriffs and while it's managed to the time confirmed that there was a large black cat that was killing sheep and other lives like instant dusky and it was hunted and killed.
[SPEAKER_02]: In 2011, there were verified setting an extremely large black cat in the
[SPEAKER_02]: So they said that they did the people there was pictures of it, they seen it and there was another one another large black cat 10 16 and portage county Ohio portage that's over by is that by the lake no no you side okay I believe I don't remember
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, no, so that's that those articles, so they were here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do have, so how do, how does a mountain line get here then, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you know, how does, you know, because if their populations are so low in places and how do they end up all the way over here in Ohio or Indiana or Michigan or Pennsylvania, right, how does that happen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have imagined you might tell me, do you want me to tell you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd prefer it on one second.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll see.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to tell me.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: My imagine is this talk for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they get on top of mountains.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they jump and like spread out and glide like little gliders.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they hit a thermal vent, you know, they might they might rise up and then get a little further than laying on a higher or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's probably most likely what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I'm talking like a It's ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine they just were always here and they never.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they traveled back here with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just always been.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a little bit of both.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that
[SPEAKER_02]: They were pretty much wiped out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were pushed very, very hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Deb and Jaguar's were pushed very, very hard towards extinction.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe enough of them hunting on and we're little pockets here there in Appalachia and like, Ozarks and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then when more started coming back in, it saved them genetically.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gotcha.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, there just a matter of sight is like, I just showed you a picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: A DNR officer took.
[SPEAKER_02]: of all by mountain lion for no aisle right and they say there are no mountain lions in a aisle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I guess you did not ask tonight that's astronaut it is but and unless you're just sorry the only way I can make sense of them actually saying that is just because of the fact that.
[SPEAKER_02]: there is no like they didn't see a male female in a club reading population is one thing that's what they say that right yeah so i i mean but just tell people that they're there you're wrong and you did not see a mountain lion even though when you one of your officers yeah took a picture one of i'm out line in a tree that from point blank that is clearly it's got a blurry photo no it's not hard it is a big mountain a big meal mountains in a tree with blue eyes looking at you
[SPEAKER_02]: and you're like, well, they don't exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I can see it because we discussed the money issue and all the issues that go into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can see why they're just saying it because they can say that because there's no like you said.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't breathe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no breeding populations so you can't argue it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so basically they are just padded.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only argument you could make at that point just seeing one is that it's just passing through.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it's just passing through, it's not technically living here.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can see, but I can justify that.
[SPEAKER_02]: How are they just passing through when they're not native?
[SPEAKER_02]: Ordinary.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, when there's none of them supposedly for 2,000 miles in one direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, they're 1500 the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: They got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just got lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're just on their way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you even be.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what, speaking to that, we're going to talk about Walker.
[SPEAKER_01]: the manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: In the corn shirt, Spencer showed me this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so on a crisp June day in 2011, a young mountain lion left his birthplace and black hills south Dakota, and embarked on one of the, it would become one of the most extraordinary wildlife journeys ever documented in the world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Over the next two years, the Intrepid Cat later
[SPEAKER_02]: across multiple states navigating highways suburbs towns and natural barriers okay so he worked his way of passing locked through towns in suburbs yeah had to have like know he had a color oh they've tried to know where he went they know his path and everything yeah we'd we know before meeting his fate in Connecticut uh oh so i told you black hills south Dakota
[SPEAKER_01]: Connecticut, Connecticut.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, if anyone, that this one's over here and the oven's all over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: His remarkable Odyssey not only broke the world records for the longest document journey of any land mammal, but also captured public imagination proved scientists that with under predictable insights into large predator movements and modern landscapes.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a story of Mount Lyon who rewrote the boundaries of what is thought to be possible for wildlife migrations into cities or into expedited areas.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the rugged terrain of South Dakota's Black Hills, a male Mount Lyon cub, was born in Proximene Tales of Nine, and in the world increasingly constructed by human development.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why are they biologists estimated he is around two years old when he began his journey?
[SPEAKER_02]: The typical age, a young Mount Lyon, disperses from their natal range into search of the new territory.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stretching out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, now spread this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Connect testing with later confirmed his Black Hills origin, proving scientists with a clear starting point and tracking of his impressive track.
[SPEAKER_02]: The region he experienced a population recovery of Mount Lines, creating more competitive pressures, which are unlikely influence, young cast decision to travel so far beyond his typical dispersal distance.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like we said, Mount Lines normally when they leave their moms at first year at map mails,
[SPEAKER_02]: So, but this area is experiencing a population recovery, so there's more competition.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, this probably encourages this cat to go way, way further than they would normally do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not sure at all, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Makes sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: These are my own approaches to set the stage for what would become a journey of unprecedented modern wildlife research.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mountlands also known as Cougar's Boons follow, which appears to be predictable patterns of dispersal that are critical for the species survival engineering diversity.
[SPEAKER_02]: Young males typically leave their birth territories between 18 months, two years of age, driven away by competition of dominant males and biological imperative to avoid inbreeding with their mothers and sisters.
[SPEAKER_02]: female jet mountain lines generally established territories touching their mother's territory.
[SPEAKER_02]: While male mountains often travel extremely considerable distances to find un, uh, sorry, unoccupied territories with adequate prey and potential mates.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is personal mechanism helps them maintain genetic diversity across large areas and prevent resource competition with family group members.
[SPEAKER_02]: For a red record-breaking travel, the natural dispersal behavior was amplified by extreme degrees, suggesting both extraordinary individual resilience and potential concerning habitat fragmentation across his path.
[SPEAKER_02]: So basically, they're saying that there's a little bit of mix that he was an extraordinary individual, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And that he never found anywhere suitable for he, yes, every place he was in miles, every place he ended up just like this saying going to work, to keep going, to keep going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which yeah, I wonder if that
[SPEAKER_01]: is what just nationally drove in the keep his journey he could all day yeah like this is terrible he probably stopped in the anano and realized like oh no I got to get away from here and just get going
[SPEAKER_02]: So his path took him through Minnesota, Wisconsin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lane came down, dominated by farms, roads and human settlements.
[SPEAKER_02]: My Mr. ain't really considered hostile to large putters.
[SPEAKER_02]: While the officers confirmed his present in the state, the physical evidence including tracks, camera images, and DNA samples.
[SPEAKER_02]: This segment of his journey required navigation of the extremely complex mix of hazardous from busy highways to rivers, to areas with minimal forest coverage for against settlement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Researchers believe he likely traveled primarily at night and used riparian corridors, which are vegetated areas along streams and rivers.
[SPEAKER_02]: As natural highways that many other large animals use.
[SPEAKER_02]: right here in zones, or appear in corridors.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, his successful crossing of the Midwest challenge conventional wisdoms that primarily of agricultural landscapes of large carnivores.
[SPEAKER_02]: So basically, before he did this, it was used to like, there's in a lot of wildlife biology.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's this thought that these giant swaths apart from land like the Midwest, for example.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it is basically in itself a giant fence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, because of its lack of habitat, natural resources and prey options for large predators, I can see that there's just less, but but there's not that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's thing is there's plenty of.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's plenty of for Ohio has like, I think, six or seven hundred thousand deer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I may be more than that now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably more.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think I see that many on my drive home
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it's not it's just where it's like dogmen any so any science that some people get the main voices get these ideas stuck that that or they're they're kind of forced like with it with the things we talked about earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: So why aren't mountain lions coming you know, well, this is why you know, these these giant these giant biological dead zones.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was an excuse someone's used before and they just keep it going like San Hill crane swamp gas.
[SPEAKER_02]: you guys at home get it you get those references one of the much astonishing aspects of his journey though was the navigating the Great Lakes a significant geological barrier evidence is that the traveled the southern edge of Lake Michigan through heavily populated Chicago region wow
[SPEAKER_01]: This mountain lane went through the Chicago area, so he literally went to hell and back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Before continuing eastwards, this route required traversing America's most densely developed landscape, including suburb areas where mountain lines would face numerous hazards, and very, very, very few natural refuges.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what happened then he got to Chicago like I got to get out of here It never stopped running actively dying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and just kept running away from the longward I'll just for practically surprise with his ability to remain largely undetected through these areas No, it's just because the DNR told them everybody know you did not see him outline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they they're right that
[SPEAKER_01]: it's kind of wild at a giant cat and I'm calling giant computer house cat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, they're large cats.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a giant cat traversed Chicago and
[SPEAKER_01]: Wait a minute, where's the horrible attack and people dying?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got swept into the rug.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you mean humans are more dangerous than wild large humans?
[SPEAKER_01]: In Chicago, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: The great leads across and demonstrate the even seemingly impenetrable urban barriers may be navigable by a very determined wildlife.
[SPEAKER_02]: Raising important questions about the connectivity between distant wildlife populations.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the mid-2011, the Mount Line had accomplished what many biologists would have considered impossible.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had reached the eastern United States.
[SPEAKER_02]: an area with quote unquote no supporting a breeding part with no supported breeding population of mountain lions for over a century.
[SPEAKER_02]: His presence was confirmed in New York state through multiple evidence sources, making him the first very light verified while mountain lion in the region in many decades.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Eastern leg of his journey took him through landscapes that became completely unfamiliar to his species.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yet, he demonstrated remarkable depth of availability of finding adequate food sources and shelters.
[SPEAKER_02]: His arrival in the East challenge, along held assumptions that large predators could not naturally recolonize their former Eastern ranges due to habitat fragmentation and human development.
[SPEAKER_02]: For a wildlife manager's across the Northeast, his president prompt renewed discussion about potential natural recolonization by Western Mountain Island populations.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're just forgetting the natural fact that life is away.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're skipping it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It isn't many as things that he went from South Dakota to Connecticut, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: All the stuff in between.
[SPEAKER_02]: He could have just stopped anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: he went through Ohio he went to see the ocean right he went through Ohio it was like angel the angler fish oh yeah well that's just wanted to see the the end I think the other ocean of an easier maybe but I don't know I don't know in South Dakota if the Atlantic or the Pacific is closer but see the thing is he'd have to fight through other mountain mines going west if he's like I'm gonna go
[SPEAKER_02]: The Mountlands epic journey came to an abrupt end on June 11, 2011, on Wilbur's Crossing Parkway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow, in Milford, Connecticut.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a place to meet your fate.
[SPEAKER_02]: After traveling nearly two, our, sorry, well over two thousand miles, he was struck and killed by an SUV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dang it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't want to see that.
[SPEAKER_02]: They swerve to hit him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tonight kid Department of Energy Environmental Protection Officers recovered his body.
[SPEAKER_02]: What you're prepared to be in a extremely good visible condition, despite using extremely extensive journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: The crops you revealed that he was approximately three years old, weighing 140 pounds and showed no signs of having or having been in captivity, were being in any poor health.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was adequately surviving his whole journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what that means.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wasn't struggling.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was not struggling.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: his death location placed him just 70 miles from Newark City in a suburb landscape that hadn't seen a wild mountain land over 200 years.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was on his way to the big city.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Connecticut site represented the most eastern confirmed presence of wild western mountain lions in modern history.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was probably on the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in my just for everybody at home.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a heck of a lot in between where he left than where he got and where he ended up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So any mountain lion can end up anywhere in between there and then.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He couldn't physically.
[SPEAKER_02]: He could only go to 70 more miles and then it's ocean.
[SPEAKER_01]: horse and our New York city.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's ocean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just going to see the Lion King one Broadway.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was going to try out and someone just ran him over jerks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you imagine you're the lady or guy they hit him in an SUV.
[SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, I just hit somebody's dog.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I was going to say a big dog.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great name.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get out and you're like,
[SPEAKER_02]: It's, I mean, it's cat, uh, I hit a zoo animal, violent, Connecticut collision, extended to testing proved the jealous scientific community, but definitive proof that he was the mountain lion that left South Dakota.
[SPEAKER_02]: DNA analysis concluded that multiple wildlife agencies matched tissue samples and pieced together his remarkable journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay, so he wasn't actually colored and tracked, but he or he was being seen people are collecting his DNA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they mapped him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did this giant journey.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's called Walker the Connecticut cap.
[SPEAKER_02]: The traveling lion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, now I get the name.
[SPEAKER_01]: What Walker as he walks so far.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a Texas Ranger.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, good again, detects us if you didn't get by the car, maybe that was his next stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: So all this to say is that all of these wildlife agencies that are saying that it is impossible for mountain lions and a Piero Heil or Indiana or Michigan, your dad definitely did not see one hand on me 30, it was like 30 minutes before they confirmed that it was a Bobcat.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, yeah, quick is what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: And a decade and a half ago,
[SPEAKER_02]: We had the most the biggest journey ever documented by a land mammal was here in North America by a mountain lion that left a decade and a half ago
[SPEAKER_02]: From an area in South Dakota where they are becoming so populated that they are traveling very vast distances.
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably came through this area and he had a hundred percent came through, at least went through Toledo.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, our county probably went through.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could have, I think you stuck along in the Great Lakes, could have, because it's I flipped back up to New York and Friday, but that's my opinion, but he definitely traveled through Ohio.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's see, swing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm through Lake Erie to miss it, which I doubt.
[SPEAKER_02]: But uh...
[SPEAKER_02]: It shows that these animals can and have made these journeys back in the last decade and a half.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so were we just assuming that in the areas where the populations are still increasing, that this has never been done again or maybe a half of it or a quarter of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the science says it should be in post.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me look at how far we are right now from the black hills.
[SPEAKER_01]: of, uh, uh, South Dakota, the rolling hills of the badlands is what they refer to the mass.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been in this, uh, the Mount Rushmore and North Dakota.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, one, one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been west of or the northern states.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I've been west.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been like Nevada.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's as far west as I've been.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Reno is further west than Las Vegas.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've never been north.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many miles have I been up to Minnesota?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've never been west of Minnesota up north.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a 22 hour drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's pretty far drive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's 1100 miles.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just to hear from here from where you have to get way point.
[SPEAKER_02]: So if any new mountain line had done half the journey, or even slow down, talking more time, and he was healthy when he was killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He showed no signs of malnutrition, no signs of struggling.
[SPEAKER_02]: He adapted to every challenge and handled it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't attack and kill anybody along the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he found deer and raccoons.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, think of, I mean, on just our property,
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... he'd be able to live for a while i have uh... you're living off of him i have removed enough ruckus
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, to probably have fed, if I want to eat them for a summer, um, because they keep killing my birds.
[SPEAKER_01]: We need like a big rat-coon pit trapmen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I haven't actually had an issue in an over a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, uh, they've got to hint maybe or there's no survivors.
[SPEAKER_01]: You should, we should build, you know, there's big, like, uh, I see him on TV, like the mouse, uh, bucket traps were going up like a 50 gallon drum.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they fall.
[SPEAKER_02]: They get stuck in dumpsters all the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, like that one where they opened up the dumpster and he was sitting there in the doorway like that and like there was one of where we're at in Chicago Where they had to every morning they had to go out and put a log in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we could climb it by four.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, there's like 50 of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so they can get out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they just stuck
[SPEAKER_02]: But so mountain lines in Ohio there's agencies like the DNR and other agencies that say they do not exist here in Ohio and Indiana West Virginia Pennsylvania Michigan the same things they say they do not exist.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we have documented that this animal, this species, has done the largest documented land mammal crossing traversing, yeah, and it went through Chicago, it probably went through Toledo and went through what was considered this natural, natural, but this giant wildlife barrier of the Midwest, this quote unquote, you know, biological dead zone.
[SPEAKER_01]: and i'm not saying it's grid habitat but there's enough food he lived fine right yeah wouldn't issue healthy till he met that truck yeah and he's crossed dozens of highways dozens of highways before you got there so i'm getting at is
[SPEAKER_02]: that if you think you've seen a mountain lion and you're familiar with the other big cats like a bobcat or even like a man kooner and housecat because I never we weren't a time but I had man koon's too is people don't get how big a man koon gets they get 30 and 35 pounds and they stand pretty tall
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we can do a freaky fauna friday on the man-cune cat which I thought we had don't think we have yet Okay, I don't think but if you guys have seen a mountain line send it in We'll if we if we get enough of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll do a whole another follow-up episode of mountain line sightings Yeah, because I do think in the continental United States There is no state That doesn't that doesn't have a chance of having mountain lines I'm not saying Rhode Island has a mountain line in it right now But I'm saying if you think you seen a mountain line in Rhode Island there's a chance you probably did yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Whether you stay there as passing through, and that's the other thing we talk about with Bigfoot here, at least the Midwest, the actual corn belt.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we have very many residential Bigfoot's.
[SPEAKER_01]: Permanence.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think we have migratory Bigfoot's.
[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think like Ada has a population of big foot that hangs around northwest of Ohio.
[SPEAKER_01]: They might now think I don't know the big foot jamboree buzz they're getting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But October 3rd, first Saturday of October.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think like they're and I could see the same amount lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could see us like like mom and dad, they're mountain line.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if it was I don't know if he's going to be air in three more weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably already gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was I think we heard him a couple like that week before because we have here and something whistle in weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then we see them and I think he'll be gone probably by next week.
[SPEAKER_02]: At least he may be way gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: He may hang out for the summer.
[SPEAKER_02]: The drought.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's you know may have kept him longer in this area because he has confirmed water source.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's hard to leave that right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in drought.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I have been the great and powerful mystery and I've been J. Clone 191 and if you see about one, tell us about report it to us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to report the state.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are plenty of people that work in the DNR that are trying to do good work.
[SPEAKER_02]: I work with a lot of them and I think one day when it comes out that they are here in Ohio, I think they'll look back at these reports and take them more seriously.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, so it does matter, report it, but when you did an email back, it says, you know, you're probably seeing a bobcat, take that with a grain of salt because they have to whoever is answering that email probably has to say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What, what's that old saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: See something, say something.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, bye.
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