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[SPEAKER_04]: Speak softly, love, and hold me warm against your heart.

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[SPEAKER_04]: I hear your words, the tender trembling moments die.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome, everybody.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's another episode of Hollywood Godfather podcast.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And my co-writer and friend, Pat Petrile is long.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and Megan Haran is with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hello, everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back again.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Back again, here we are.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we have some really interesting topics tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're gonna get right into it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And as usual, I got into wound in this early on in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's so surprising.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I'm shocked.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what's the topics, sir?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I was I was waiting for you to ask funny desk tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking trash But those Our our French listeners we have many subscribers at France that would be gobage Well, gobage you guys didn't know I spoke French right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no gobage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only word I know anyway the

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[SPEAKER_02]: garbage business, or as the mob likes to call it, and some other people, the carting industry is heavily infiltrated by the mafia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it came about in the 1950s in New York City anyway, in other areas of the country, the dates differ.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But in 1953, or up until 1953, anybody that wanted their garbage, just put their

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[SPEAKER_02]: on the street corner like everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then the city said, why should we be picking up the garbage from commercial businesses when they're making money, they should be paying to have their trash removed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the private carding industry was born.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the mafia is seeing an opening to get in legitimate business not so much by legitimate means

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... carding uh... just services opening their own and to be told at the beginning or uh... you know i try to make an on-stray into these businesses that they want to buy they didn't strong enough uh... strong anybody they just said we'd like to buy a business with a pay more than it's worth uh... what he is saying most of the businesses uh... said yeah perhaps maybe they knew that they were dealing with but they uh... they climbed on board and for those who didn't

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they got convinced by a six foot to late notice, you know, walking to the other thing that that's interesting about that too a lot because I One of my closest friends Angela Ponti and now they own Ponti Cording and they even they still want a big recycling Plant new Jersey cans and cardboard they become multi men as but a lot of the people who did sell

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[SPEAKER_03]: stayed on and operated under their banner as managers and owners and that's how they explained that so fast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those companies who would not sell out rather than force them out and get on the radar of one for usmen, they just started to undercut their prices.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like the business would do in competition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Only they knew that they weren't going to be losing money for long.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They brought up smaller companies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They combined them at the larger companies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But of course, like any organization or any industry, they needed somebody to run the garbage business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the gentleman we're going to be talking about tonight is a government-enabled squalante.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was born in 1917, and he was known as the world's shortest-made member of the mafia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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[SPEAKER_02]: The world's tallest midget.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what does that mean, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he admitted to being five foot two, but most everybody said he was under five feet tall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, uh, and uh, but he, he, he had a gang that he operated with, uh, probably getting into garbage so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, get a load of some of these names.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love these names.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess that's the, you know, part of me, but uh, I got the written down here just bear with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pashtavazula was one guy's name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you like Pashtavazula.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pashtavazula, Pashtavazula was one name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joey's surprise, Nanny the Geep, Shats, that's H.A.K.A.S.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Siege, Fungi, and Joe Stutz.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There must be brothers or singing group.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Squalante decided that, well, this is a right to organize and you can make a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, he was never going to be a violent guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was rumors around that he, I was involved in some hits, but they were just rumors, long for us, but doesn't have any information and all along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He probably passed the ball along.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, well, that's what he's hiding.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's fight for two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You wanted to blow him up?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who's going to be afraid of this guy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: a very good friend of Albert and Estasia and they they worked together so he approached and Estasia and basically he put the garbage business at his disposal and it takes me well to write this at least you can put those left a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway he was the absolute Zara of garbage I don't know if anybody would like to brag about that but this is a lot of money

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but millions then, I mean, you know, to this day, to correct me if I'm wrong and I usually am, Lauren Fosman doesn't really go near this garbage business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They know that the mob runs it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why haven't they in force, for instance, they put the Fish Market out of business, they were, you know, the king of fish on the East Coast, they had to go through the Fish Market, which the mob ran.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they got them out of there under Rudy Giuliani,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't they get them out of the garbage business?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think the problem was, I mean, it's so mass and they are so successful with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're really not breaking the law.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The few people in Giuliani, as I remember, when he was the district attorney, he cleaned it up pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, that's what brought Angela Ponti to his knees,

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[SPEAKER_03]: because they already had like 85 trucks on the road.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And what the, what, what, a missing, and letting our audiences know nobody really wanted to do the business and the city didn't want it anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But how they raised the prices basically was shaking down the restaurants and the businesses they would pick it up from.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So if you were not being picked up by them,

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[SPEAKER_03]: soon after that you were because certain people like you said a local brought to a show up and now you're going to be paying fine dollars more can and what's fine dollars she wasn't it wasn't such a big thing but fine dollars a can and you have 20 kids out there a night you know every other day it gets to be big bunny and plus the fact that she is size of the city oh I know

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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to have the $5,00 next year again, which translates to $1,000 a day, if not for.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, what's like the concrete business, still in New York, a lot of these people who organized the trash, are still in the concrete business, ready, mix.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And any other state or any other city in the world or in the United States,

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[SPEAKER_03]: concrete in New York City is $10 more a yard delivered.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody's ever touched it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the Gambino family has the majority of the carding companies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In addition to construction, the waterfront docks, business was the main stake outside of gambling and prostitution.

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[SPEAKER_02]: day before drugs came along.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But apparently, garbage is a very big business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, school auntie wasn't well-liked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was always getting on everybody's nerves, except Albert Anastasia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anastasia protected him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And on that famous October day, October 25th, 1957, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why I remember that because my father, I mean, I

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[SPEAKER_02]: My father came home and he was upset.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know who he knew, whether he was a friend of Anastasia's, I wasn't familiar with it, but I remember him talking to my mother about this and he was really upset.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what people don't know, well, anyway, Anastasia was shot while getting a shave and a haircut apparently, the shave was a little bit too close.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But how many bullets?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Tell him how many bullets were expelled.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, as Joey Gallo came in, they were armed with revolvers, and they came in and kept on shooting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the station got out of the chair and went for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a tough guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was weighted down by too much lead, but a lot of people didn't know it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know that Squalante was in the chair next to him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was getting a haircut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The famous last words, which I also wrote, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he wasn't shed number two, uh, and, uh, that's the accident.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll share it in, uh, pardon me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Albert wasn't shed number two.

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[SPEAKER_02]: School auntie wasn't shed number five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's three chases away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, people, uh, don't, don't, don't understand because the Boba business has changed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a lot of, Boba businesses, even smaller Boba businesses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had multiple chases.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And one pounded, and he went to the outside and

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[SPEAKER_02]: to handle the business.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now usually you get your hat cut.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's one person operating out of their home.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you live in small town in America or whatever, but New York, it's still the same way.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They, they lose you to chair.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like a 60 40 cut.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The owner gets 60 you get 40.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when they started to shoot the joint ups, it's going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was quoted as saying, I'm out here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Famous last words that he took off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they were looking for, anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For all they knew, Squalante was a civilian.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did just one after Albert, you know, and they did the job and they left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But now, Squalante has no protection anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Once Albert was gone, in fact, Joe Falat, Joe Vallacci, addressed this in 1964, and he testified for the... People of a commission.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, the key for the commissioner was in 1953.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was, they haven't ever so awful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, he brought up school auntie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's exactly what he said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Once Albert was gone, school aunties days were numbered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was the quote.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I remember hearing that back in the day and I said, what the hell is the sky school auntie?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he operated way under the radar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And why not?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could just do ungarbage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he would have been out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He would have been out anyway, squanty if he stayed there because Gambino took over everything that, well, understage you had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Gambino orchestrated the hit on the stage.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he did have a kick over everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just, you know, dressing up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, but squanty would have been gone anyway, no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How did he die?

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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_03]: How did he die?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No one really knows, all they know is that Gambino went after him because Anastasia was gone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as I said, no one liked this guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would think that there was several attempts on his life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he was so short that bullets were all over his head.

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[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anastasia was adamant about he.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He put their hands on my guy, Skolanti, and he was on touch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 1961 rolls around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He vanished and there are several theories just what happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One is Gambino Had him whacked another one was he had so many women on the side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This guy's going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was known as a ladies man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm not He was a ladies man

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I could think of some really good jokes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no, we can't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got a clean audience.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was thinking of the same thing, but it was a theory put out by the NYPD that some of these women got together, in fact, a lot of these women got together and they all stand up at that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: At the same time, one of the women lured him in and I would imagine to take very much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when he got to the women's house upon whatever, a whole bunch of crazed women with sharp knives can out of various rooms.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Cautama, that's such a bizarre story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know, but it sounds cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Doesn't it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it sounds like you wrote it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How did they supposedly get rid of the body?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it wasn't hard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They probably put them in an envelope.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a short guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They all took a piece.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They all took a piece.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They all took a piece home with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe they had school auntie burgers.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The bottom line is this.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Knowing women, not that of a womanizer, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: But knowing women in my past, it's very hard to get women together when they're in love

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[SPEAKER_03]: being romance by the same guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I can't see how you get six or seven when come out of my apartment tonight.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We're going to cut up squandering.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure if this is true, which I doubt, he got lured there by one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the rest of them just popped out and you know, but how would you get them now?

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's still saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they probably, they probably had something against him at that point, whether he screwed him over, did it wrong?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're a woman though.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_03]: If a lady called you and your board was cheating on you, would you help her or you get involved in it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm so personally wouldn't get involved in such a situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not you, but any women, no girls who have girls who could have been wronged by the same man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe there would be enough of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were angry enough.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's so was I know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, well, that's something to keep in mind when you're

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I think they were friends to begin with, why don't I, I don't know, what do I know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's, but anyway, I may be, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Vincent has gone down in mob history as a huge earner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody hated, but chewed him out of form.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They let the guy alone because he was bringing in a lot of money, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: True, they told him about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what it's all about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If he wasn't doing this and everybody hated, he would've been gone a long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If there's somebody off and they would've did him in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember my father's restaurant, I was on the corner of a bad and illicit with these sanitation guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Used to come into the, into the restaurant that were there to pick up trash.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What they ate first, they just parked the truck, they trucks a huge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they, the streets and little, little, little.

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[SPEAKER_02]: are very narrow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you're part behind a garbage truck, you're there until a garbage truck decides it's going to move.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, even in New York, yeah, you know, late at night, if you, like, I do, I walk around a lot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But late at night when these trucks are stopping to pick up peils and you'll be behind them, you'll wait until they get to the next red light to get past them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be there five or ten minutes as they empty the street out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: A half hours, I'm dead.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But days, when you're going to back down, you have to go back down a one-way street.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, these guys, you used to come in there and they, I mean, they didn't take anything to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They sit down and you get a horns hot and outside.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They would back traffic, you know, to the corner and people realize they couldn't turn into that block.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, as far as we know as arrested for a serious crime only once,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's sometime in the 1950s on a charged with extortion linked to garbage removal contracts at the Mitchell field, which is a USF was base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if you're going to extort anybody, you're trying to have to extort the federal government.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, hello.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was caught.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And another interesting thing that those of you who are into

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... spies he shared a cell with uh... root out able root out able was a rush and spy who will work with the rosinburgs he actually went to a federal prison and well it was you climb and but i know but she had to sell it i mean i had and these stories sounds so far fact well able no this is true because uh... able uh... was held in uh... in a federal prison and eventually he was traded

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[SPEAKER_02]: As they sometimes do, they transpires which traded for Francis Gary Powers, who piloted the U2 spycraft spy plan, I should say, over Russia during the Russia summit meeting with President Eisenhower.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Eisenhower swore that we're inspiring on Russia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He should have come sit for this historic summit and during this summit, Francis Gary Powers

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, how do you talk you way out of that one?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so I mean, the summit was a failure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A country was embarrassed because even when he was shot down, I just had to deny that we had any spies because he figured, you know, these spy planes, the U2 in particular, blew it about 90,000 feet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this was a small plane flying really high and what are the odds is going to get shot down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if it does, what are the odds that the Appiah is going to survive?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What did they use to shoot it down?

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[SPEAKER_02]: a missile.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But anyway, shut down at a very high height, I should have a thought that he can get away with lying, both face lie that we didn't have a spy plane above Russia.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was paraded before the world press and handcuffs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he wasn't present for about three or four years, and they worked the deal to trade powers for able.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he, uh, Quilanti was his, uh, was his Selmey.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How was eventually went, went on to fly a weather helicopter, or a new station.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that crashed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was killed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, so many months, they're going to be fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think South probably shot him down again, the shot him up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So who actually, where we're going with the story, who actually led the whole conviction of all these garbage collectors, was it Rujiliani?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was Robin of Kennedy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: When he wasn't a senator at the time, he was working in some kind of a committee before it became a senator.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... and he he wasn't he wasn't a boss he just worked there so he was part of a prosecution oh oh oh yeah because i was saying that i don't remember you know the canadies i mean robin canadies as an attorney general going after the rubbish business well like he said uh... after school auntie was arrested just this one extortion plot and he did time uh... he was uh... based on bail and uh... fifty thousand dollars is showed up

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he was convicted, but I don't know what kind of time he got.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The point is, as you said earlier, they don't want this golden goose cooked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, one guy goes to jail and they don't want any more people looking into this industry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they probably tightened it up to everybody.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shut up, do your job pick up garbage, and let's get on with our lives.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, this is a big guy I was talking about earlier.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They actually infiltrated his business.

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[SPEAKER_03]: his father, as you remember, Pat, well, if I could, or canal in West Side and the West High West, the West Side Highway was Ponti's restaurant.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's still there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's the God of Wood.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the grandfather created it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the grandfather was so wealthy with his business.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He started buying up all that area down there, tried back, in fact, Bobby De Nero's building, he bought from penned a bunch of equities.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he was buying buildings for $17,000 in the 20s and 30s.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now that you get in the pockets down there, a $2 million in the pocket.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But this family, why I'm bringing this up, this family was so wealthy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and one just one facet of the stone was that rubbish business and the courting business and they just opened this whole recycling plant and my memory serves me right it was Giuliani that cracked down on yeah I thank you yeah yeah and he they cracked down on because of the extortion and the ways they were getting their accounts

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this guy infiltrated Ponti's restaurant became a friend and then everybody liked them and if you know anything about Angela Ponti of any Ponti, these guys were just likeable guys and they had all the money in the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're father-made it for them, but they managed that their grandchildren today, they owned so many buildings today right now if anybody in the audience look upon the Ponti's equities, their holdings are in the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But why am I building this picture of this guy who needed nothing in his life?

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then Juliani picked on Angela Ponti.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, a pillar of the community, giving money away and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they made a deal where he wouldn't do any time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If he pleaded to the charges, he would do no time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All of the charges.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, extortion and how they, you know, muscle their way into, because this guy that they became friends with him, he said, I can get some accounts for you, say, well, guy to give you a piece of them, but he was the one who was the informant, where in a wire, and scaring people, and a lot of times, Vinnie Ponte or the other brothers, they'd

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[SPEAKER_02]: These guys weren't mobbed up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They weren't, they weren't associates.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were restaurant owners.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And they said that, you know, because of they were under the umbrella of the Gambino family, they were mobbed up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what they were trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was surely any, what happened was he takes the plea deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a lot of squangili.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and when they get in front of the judge, don't throw a warning when he said squangili because that's what the restaurant served for you not the times.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Squangili is a fish dish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,

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[SPEAKER_03]: I love, you got to have in red sauce, you got to have cold salad with all the body and clams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a little chewy, a little chewy, but it's really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, if you're owned by the whole kind, it's chewy, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like a bad snake.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But you get the monochid calamity for you to get the monochid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot of money.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this guy's promised, if he co-op rates, it's going to be no problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll call him to Julia.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the deal, I made.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But when they went in front of the judge, the judge didn't go along with it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He said, no, he's going to do time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I knew you accepted the deal, but I'm the judge.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He gave him five years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This guy was so close to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: As soon as he got that, I mean, he started to deteriorate, looked like by the minute, because he had his grandchildren, they didn't.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they knew nothing about this family, being tied to the Gambino's and all that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And the newspapers rang crazy with him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That this guy did three years before they took him out, he had a heart attack, and that because of his ill health.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But they destroyed him with his family.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He just felt so bad that his grandchildren, and after through a three generations of his own sons, I've been sons, that they got destroyed by Giuliani.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he was never the same, the whole family was never the same.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They got out of the trash business.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They stayed with their real estate, which nobody could touch.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I never seen an image of a bonafard respected a time family, go down the drain so fast because of Giuliani and it was treacherous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was known, I mean, he was looking for a high political office.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't care who he heard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he went after the attorney's first fellow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I told you he tried to lock me up, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was talking to, or as he put it, but it consorting with Italians and little Italy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God, who would do something like that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How'd you find any of the Italians and little Italy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a surprise thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's also a Chinese monster sitting at this table with us, okay?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So what we're doing is eating.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That place is replete with FBI agents, judges,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I get a consortium, talk to somebody, but anyway, arresting a police officer is it makes the news.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did they arrest you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Close to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to mention his name, but you can probably figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A well-known young television news reporter was having

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[SPEAKER_02]: lunch with Julianne because they were close, you know what I'm talking about?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Gianni says, we're going to get this cop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so my friend, the reporter, says, well, this could be a story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's his name?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He mentions my name and it's called a George rock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, he's squeaky clean.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know the guy with friends and all this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he said, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Giuliani likes this reporter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I always did because he was, he was always giving him a little bit of a ride about him.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Giuliani was, was a star because of this reporter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he tells the reporter, OK, I'm going to send one of my guys down an ADA with you to meet with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me, I'm talking about not Giuliani.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the, the three of you are going to talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm going to go on what my ADA says.

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[SPEAKER_02]: whether we're going to night in night this guy and that that's me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know anything about any I don't know what what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Have you knew nothing about this?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nothing about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: July 12th was the day I get a call.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How do I know that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's my birthday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I want to say that too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because you're six months after me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So to the day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, so this reporter said to me, uh, I want you to drop what you're

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[SPEAKER_02]: to a restaurant was owned by a big photographer on the east side, a fashion photographer, I forgot his name, was named after him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll come to me probably three o'clock in the morning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, it's my birthday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going out with my girlfriend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, no, you're not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He said, you're coming down here and you're coming down here yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, now, that scared me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So without even calling my date, I get it my car and I race down in, I go into the restaurant.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the reporter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I sit down now starting to get a little scared because the guy looks like an ADA cheap suit, you know, I mean, I don't know what's going to type of guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And this, you know what, you should let our audience know what an ADA is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just the district attorney.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because most people don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in it's case, it was for the Southern District.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it was a federal

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[SPEAKER_02]: ADA, it's an AUSA, a system state U.S. Attorney, or something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: AUSA, they call them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so I mean, now I'm saying, you know, for this reporter friend that might get me down there under the circumstances, I'm scared.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he, this reporter mediated, this, it was a set down, basically between the lawyer and me, lawyers asked me questions, and the reporter is moderating, so to speak.

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[SPEAKER_02]: he won't be this guy went back to Julia and said this guy was just hungry that night he said that was a friend of mine that said and I got away with it and I dedicated if you want to here's a way to sell books now think about this if the viewers listeners want to know who this reporter is buy bloodshot eyes because I dedicate the book to him

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to open my book and see who What?

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[SPEAKER_03]: The Maggie and Roger open your book and tell the audience who it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to see where it's up on my bookshelf right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was jelly jelly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got to see for themselves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As gone on to much bigger and better things than being a reporter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a household name now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just don't want to mention it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's in print anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I put it in the book.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, I mean, we've been friends and I did them a couple of favors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You did me a couple of times, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, very, very nice guy never forgets his friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't have to do that for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's great.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Never forgets us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So what is the moral of this story?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Have you your own garbage?

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[SPEAKER_02]: A pair of... Well, as I said before, I'm going to use it again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't have garbage as much as disposal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, my attitude is low-profile, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've conducted my life that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... got as close to that as you possibly could buy running a legitimate industry you know he had the protection of uh... of alborate well that's not blowing that's not a low-image well he was being just the fact that he was in the same bobby shop user out alborate a lot and uh... he was or he was he wasn't in the press i mean nobody did stories on them uh... he was not a call of a thinking yet

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and then it's a lot like CNN today and this this press and cameras everybody's got cameras and and filming and selling it to you by being that I was wondering why I never heard of the guy and not that I know everybody that was down there and it was, but it was to show you that you know this guy obviously had a smart business said he was running his own car in company plus a couple of car companies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: plus he actually was the son of Paul and whatever he was running everything in the city of New York and it it it takes oh i i i doubt that well yeah he was the guy that you went to but i'm saying he's not running everything in europe well the other families went to him i don't think so he was helped he was because he had Albert that's all yeah yeah well that did certainly help but after Albert went so to eight he went to visit him and that uh

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[SPEAKER_02]: gangland in the sky.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So sweet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if it never came back, if I can interject to go back to what we were talking about earlier, one of the theories of how school auntie was killed talking about those women who ganged up on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was supposedly a bunch of women who were girlfriends, wives, mothers, or sisters of men he had killed.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, there's there's the color now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you get up to band together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There had to be something.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and you just did that on your own now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Pat had sent me notes earlier when it's referencing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Pat, I mean, that was, I was going to say that's a great piece of, if it may be because to me, I'm sitting and say, why would all these women do it?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now we know why.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Somebody organized

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[SPEAKER_03]: these ladies who were taking down by the husbands or boyfriends and by this idiot, they got rid of them.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Makes a story of your more exciting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But when you get old, you can't even read your own notes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're welcome, Pat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why we have it here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we originally decided to have Megan, we needed somebody that's go her in 24 hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing nice about it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not in the wee hours of the morning, we start to begin who we were or are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, you know, how often did you have you and I talked and all of a sudden we stopped talking and say, the hell are we talking about?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's call Megan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's call Megan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Straighten us out.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's so crazy, it was just a request by somebody that wanted to notice about squall out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I've been, you know, we talk about famous gangsters and I've been doing a deep dive into people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody ever heard of, but had a presence within organizations that, you know, it's just part of what we do.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What, talking about a guy who does that as a writer also, and he's promised to be on our show, which I'm really excited about, is Mark Ciel.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have a lot of marks, but Mark Ciel, for the people who are big magazine writers and book writers, the readers rather, he's probably one of the most prominent writers, and he's had an application just with the Godfather film itself,

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[SPEAKER_03]: He wrote a big story in the 20, 25th anniversary.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Every time, I mean, he's very generous to me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We became friends.

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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, when he was doing the made-off story, he called me up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I said, if you want to meet him, come in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Because he was on the night, but he was out yet.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And he eats a restaurant right around the corner.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He should kidding me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I said, no, we see her every Sunday and I didn't know the guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I introduced him to Maydhoff and his wife.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He couldn't believe it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And two weeks later, obviously, the guy was indicted and convicted and that was the end of it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But he never forgot that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And why I'm bringing it up, he has been very close to me and includes

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[SPEAKER_03]: And now this new book just came out and it's on the market right now and some and getting great reviews and you'll know the line from a movie I happen to be in is Take the canolees and leave the gun Or take the way around right leave the gun take it to know whatever was I either way she wasn't my line, so I never learned

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, even before you when I spoke about this Johnny, a few hours ago, this book is all over the place and like he said, great reviews.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a best seller already.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's doing extremely well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you told me he's going to be a guest on the show, I said, gee, I think I'll drop around for that show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It is guy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to read this book.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's Mark Seale and it's he wrote the book and it's Tyronically Published by Simon and Shuster, which is owned by Viacom, who happens to own Paramount.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So this is the things we've been telling our audience that the next year of what's going on because of March 14th,

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[SPEAKER_03]: 1972, when the movie first came out, I mean, 71, when the first came out, they won the Oscars in 1972, that's what confused me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But it's amazing, everything like even the offer that's being made as a six-hour minis, I tend to have many series, and so many things, and just for all listeners, I think you're gonna be,

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[SPEAKER_03]: hearing and seeing so many people that have been a part of this whole 50 years segment if they're alive, we're going to have them and I'm excited about it and Mark is going to kick it off in the next week or two.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So tune in because there's a lot of great things happening for us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to shoot through the

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, I wonder if they're kicking themselves in the ass for turning down all the book when we were trying to sell it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know what's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They made up for it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I told you or agent told you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That's very board great Britain.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They bought it a little bit more than six countries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They also bought a Spend it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So they made money with us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Always nice to spread it around.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not doing please me more than, you know, our current.

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[SPEAKER_03]: publisher turns us down because I'd like to reunite with Viacom in many ways as I can.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They've been so good to me, generous, and I'm the ambassador to the Food Brand for the audience who don't know that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a food brand that's going skyrocketing now because of this film also, and it's quarterly owned fine Italian, and you go on a website it's up already, and you can order this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have Clemens's meat sauce in the jaw, Jen Goallavoyle, a fictitious company that was created by Mario Poozer in a book.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I now represent, which I think is amazing, but we've got so many great things going on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're going to begin with Megan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, Gianni, you were right when you first said about the movie, The Godfather, came out in 72.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you were right about that, the Oscars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We finished the make sure, yeah, I should have remembered that day because the other date that's etched in my brain was June 28, 1971, when the big rally where Joe Klumber was shot and I was supposed to be at it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then the movie came out that February 72.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But exactly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_03]: With these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's get into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First we have is from Laurie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Laurie says, hi, Gianni, but Frank Colotta and Joseph Ayon newsy have written cookbooks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When can we expect you to do a cookbook too?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Frank Colotta, boy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know, I'm laughing at all of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Frank a lot of her people who don't know who he is and he passed for COVID-19 last year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank God.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He was a menace to the world.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He tells what you really feel about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he was part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thomas just skipped my water up.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He said, thank God, I was a killer and a thief, he worked on the Tony Spalotro.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He's part of the whole world gang.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he's a chef.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you know what would be cool?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That he created one of his own recipes, ate it and died.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No one, you know, it's so crazy because I'm, you know, we all heard the name Sammy the bull.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now he has a television show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: These guys committed, and they coped a plea on a lot of murders.

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[SPEAKER_03]: This world is so crazy that we now find them entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, why was the question?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got a cookbook about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If John and I do a cookbookbookbookbook, that was a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I really got out of hand for a second.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, I mean, anybody else?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Frank, a lot of even though we had a stove.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's you get a name and you can't write you write a couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so what's your answer?

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[SPEAKER_03]: No Buy by our products.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Really good.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I want food in your life.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Don't you think stop cooking by our product.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, next one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is from Nathan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nathan says hi Pat, I'm so glad you're well after COVID.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I recently purchased bloodshot eyes and can't wait to read it after loving pop line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Best wishes to the big G in Miss Nagan as well.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Much.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was trying to do the big G in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Then I realized this is me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for purchasing the book.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, thank you, Nathan.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Please.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mariana says, Gianni, my grandmother grew up on Mulberry Street and little little little Italy Manhattan, and she used to go on about how special the area was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel it has changed?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it make you sad at all to visit the old neighborhood?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Said, I can cry.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, it's hip Chinese now.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's hip everything.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Again, I'm good friend Giuliani.

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[SPEAKER_03]: said, you can't just keep this a tie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And so they infiltrated.

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[SPEAKER_03]: China, Chinese, cross, canow street.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I mean, I love Chinese people, but talking about just what she was talking about.

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[SPEAKER_03]: The old neighborhood, and you can leave your doors open.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was controlled by the mob.

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[SPEAKER_03]: God forbid, you did something wrong in that neighborhood.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They didn't handle it, they didn't call it cop.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we'd say, if you believe, like I said, girls

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[SPEAKER_03]: mothers and sisters who worked the streets at night and had no problem.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Not anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think what do you think the square blocks are not a ton of Italian about two square blocks?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know no no no they keep making it smaller.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It still goes down to has to the street you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's it is a buy.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you want to include

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know you got grand can you that's a you got my name is that you got a six box square yet that's still Totally a time I'm not totally a time that 80% of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's Right Okay next is from Tyler Tyler says Gianni are you a sports fan at all if so which is your favorite?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I got into football only because uh my good friend and

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[SPEAKER_03]: Brother Laugh had Molen on the Denver Broncos, and I got involved in a script called any given Sunday, and he just won the Super Bowl that year.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Puccino and Oliver Stone and Shanna Hand and Oliver Scott together, and we created a great movie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You should see it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We had 38 movie stars and it drew me into sports and I mean I'm the guy that was very good friends to me during making that movie was Jerry Jones.

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[SPEAKER_03]: He allowed us to shoot in Dallas when the NFL said don't do anything with this movie.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They're making us look bad and he didn't care about too many things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we shot there for a month, and he was very gracious with us, and we had 38 movie stars Charleston, Heston, and Margaret, and for ever since then, you know, I watched the giant.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like watching football, but teams have something to do with, you know.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been following you know in so many guys for years, but it's all good, that's all I watch, I don't watch baseball's too slow for me.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like watching grass grow.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next one is from Gina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gina says, Pat, have you seen any good movies lately?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love hearing about your take on new films.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, you know, most of you know, a lot of streaming stuff as a movie, uh, now that I just finished watching called dope sick, uh, riveting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's about the, uh, sackler family, uh, who owns Purdue farmer, who almost destroyed this country with oxy cotton, uh, it's, uh, they release an episode a week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I, I've watched for it is riveting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, uh, it's, uh, it's very well acted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, it's just, it's a great movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I watch the newly released film on Netflix, Call of Fagatin Battle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a film that was made by people in the Netherlands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you think a saving private Ryan was phenomenal, you gotta see this picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: really that's one of my favorites.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the best expensive movie ever made in the in the Netherlands, but I'm thinking maybe they only made three movies.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What do I know?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to say, they're not, they're not know for their film.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a big world what's who buff and this was a very very expensive and right on the money movie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's called a forgotten battle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I highly recommend.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's your saying?

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got to have a segment of

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I, you know, a well-written, well-acted movie, I mean, I could lose myself, and it's not too many of those around, like.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we have time for one more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one is from Nick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick says, Gianni out of Al Pacino, Robert and Ero, Tallya Shire and Diane Keaton, who did you get along with the best?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I think in talking about shooting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's due you, I've read it in the past tense, but who do you get along with?

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, I mean, obviously it would be Petino and De Nero, I mean, the girls die in a key and I like and I used to see a lot when I lived in Beverly Hills, very friendly.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And Tia Shire is really an introvert when you get to know her, you know, she was married to David Shire, has children.

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[SPEAKER_03]: and you don't see her anymore because she's a dedicated grandmother and you know after she did the rocky series

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[SPEAKER_03]: She just didn't want to work anymore.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, I see Bob because he called me on a lot of things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: How we did any given Sunday, you know, but, you know, I mean, there are icons, I mean, just for me to say, I know them and I can call them on a phone, and they'll take the call, that's why I got along with.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I like dinner, but he's so strange now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll be happy to get that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What do you stop going along with God?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is all we have time for tonight, boys.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I think it was a great show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I was entertained.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully you were.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We got a lot of good things in.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And you got to keep the reviews.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We have some...

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[SPEAKER_03]: fantastic news that we may be expanding now our viewership you'll read about it there'll be more activity for you to interact with maybe even phone calls instead of mailbox and you'll be yourself on the radio or both.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But we do appreciate you staying with us we're in what's what season fifths what are they eight season eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: New one every 20 so we're at eight

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[SPEAKER_03]: And we thank you all for that, believe me, because there's so much out there for you to take the time and listen to us.

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[SPEAKER_03]: We appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: God bless you, stay safe.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And guys, I'll see you on the radio.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Has pan next week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good night, guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good night.

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[SPEAKER_04]: If you're feeling sad and lonely, there's a service I could rent at, I'm the one who loves you only I could be so unsatended, calm man, don't be afraid you can come, man Maybe it's late but just calm man, tell me and I'll be wrong I'm glad you're here

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