[UNKNOWN]: is the topic of today's episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello and welcome to Woolshift Dust podcast deep dive into silo season three episode four.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm Alicia your surprise hiding in the digger void.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm Luke your service buddy band mate who now has Pentagon access.
[UNKNOWN]: If anybody from the school of international relations, it snanders is listening.
[UNKNOWN]: I do not, in fact, have pedagogy on that exercise.
[UNKNOWN]: It's lies.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not lies.
[UNKNOWN]: It made you say them.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: At least you wrote that one there will happen to get access, but not yet.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is our weekly silo season coverage continuing with season three episode four Whatever you do don't go home.
[UNKNOWN]: We're surprising alliances are revealed and we finally get to talk about a leak We've been sitting on all season all the relief
[UNKNOWN]: Before we begin Luke, though, what is the full version of our spoiler policy for this part?
[UNKNOWN]: So the discussion will be spoiler-free beyond what's already happened on screen.
[UNKNOWN]: So that means that before spoilers, the seasons 1 and 2 and everything up to episode 4 of Season 3 of Silent, Alicia has read the books, but I'm keeping it show only.
[UNKNOWN]: At least you can bring up anything from the books that has already happened on screen, but to protect my and your spoiler in essence, there will be no future books boilers.
[UNKNOWN]: We won't discuss anything from the trailers or the marketing material if you want a discussion of the trailers we did with a couple of episodes, breaking them down before the season started.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, this still leaves me as the book reader plenty of room for for speculation.
[UNKNOWN]: Lots of book changes going on, so I promise if I'm speculating it's genuine, if I can't discuss something, I just simply won't.
[UNKNOWN]: But if you do want the full spoiler discussions and deep dives into the intricacies of the book version of the story and how it's interacting with the television version, then there is a separate book.
[UNKNOWN]: club podcast where fellow reader Abby and I talk about all of these things stick around until the end of the episode to learn more about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, before we get into the episode itself, we do have an important piece of business to discuss, and that is, of course, silo noir casting.
[UNKNOWN]: We've had a couple more pieces of feedback about potential casting for the 40s, 50s, noir version of silo, and pandemonium suggested, I'd cast Ingrid Bergman as Juliet, keeping the Swedish theme.
[UNKNOWN]: But I like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Or to be hatred would also work for that as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: My thought that I had is Hedy Lamar as Anna, and I have to say this is in honor, especially of the fact that Anna was, she was a radio technician in the books, not so in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But I still think Hedy Lamar, regardless of being a good casting, that's my thought.
[UNKNOWN]: I should just want to explain why that works for her to go more.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because she invented the wireless radio... She invented, I don't know, the technical detail.
[UNKNOWN]: She invented basically a new radar system.
[UNKNOWN]: So, an our system that made it much easier to find into tech earbuds.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know the technical ins and outs of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, that's what she invented.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and she's obviously a famous actress from that era for many, for anyone who happens to not know the name, um, and Paul K said all star fifties, noir, silent noir cast, brando as nox, yeah, my Marilyn Monroe is Juliette with her natural hair, so darker, yeah, maybe I still like my Katherine Hepburn, it's Juliette personally, but
[UNKNOWN]: James Stewart as Daniel, we all agreed that's got to be right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Oostanov as Thurman.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be to Oostanov, yes, I can see that.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, Omar Sharif as Lucas.
[UNKNOWN]: I could say, my problem with Omar Sharif is I can't picture him young enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, Omar Sharif for the 50s is too old to be playing with.
[UNKNOWN]: And Hepburn as Helen, I know I still like Hepburn as Juliet, maybe Marilyn Monroe as Helen, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Marilyn Monroe.
[UNKNOWN]: She is one of my favorite actresses from the era.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think she has a lot more depth than probably most people realize.
[UNKNOWN]: Great, great, great Kelly yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can absolutely see that for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be a good one.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: If anyone else has any more urgent cello noir fan castings, we are ready and waiting for your suggestions.
[UNKNOWN]: But for now, let's get into season three episode four.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever you do, don't go home.
[UNKNOWN]: 48 minutes long again, released Friday, July 24th, 2026 on Apple TV.
[UNKNOWN]: This one was directed by Eric Avillino, he was the writer of last week's episode and also wrote Season 1 Episode 6 in the Season 2 finale and also directed Season 2 Episode 3 and 4 and will direct not only this episode but the next episode and episode 7 of this season as well.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Eric Avillino all over the place on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: The writer this week is accredited as Jessica Blair who also was accredited co-writer of season one episode two and Also wrote season one episode seven and season two episode nine.
[UNKNOWN]: So honestly, these those are Three of the best episode series.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm actually they do have all they do kind of all other theme with this episode Which is they are they're all high energy episodes
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, you think this is a high energy?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that happens, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a lot of happens, a lot of chasing, it's a very kinetic.
[UNKNOWN]: So particularly in the silo 18, it's very, we should have, yeah, there's a lot going on.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess I was thinking, yeah, the through line is this sort of no-one investigation aspect.
[UNKNOWN]: That too, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All of this, of course, is based on the silo book series by Hugh Howie and the plot of this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I am DBE for saving me time on this one.
[UNKNOWN]: Camille escapes.
[UNKNOWN]: Juliette's.
[UNKNOWN]: Camille's escape.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Tell us the wrong way around.
[UNKNOWN]: Juliette's escape leads Camille to a shocking discovery.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel seeks help from a friend.
[UNKNOWN]: Luke, what did you think of this episode overall?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I've already sort of given the game well, that was really high and it's very edge of the seat.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I genuinely, there was one point where I genuinely thought Julia was in, was in proper multiple danger and given the Rebecca Ferguson is the biggest, uh, and the executive producer is quite impressive that the show was able to make me feel that because she's got the
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I like Daniel a lot more after this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Yay!
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I like Helen a little less after this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Um.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, uh, yeah, quick question, Alicia.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, friend, friend comes over to your house.
[UNKNOWN]: Shoes on, shoes off.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I mean, I always grew up in a shoes on household, but, um, I have to say,
[UNKNOWN]: I, okay, here in the Netherlands, it is like, it's like half half.
[UNKNOWN]: Like some people really shoes off, some people really shoes on.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was more like my friends from who originated in Asia who taught me shoes off and then I realized now that I clean my own house and like, wow, that's actually really helpful.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't make people take their shoes off, but it is kind of appreciated to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if you are going to make people take the shoes of you need to provide them, so I choose.
[UNKNOWN]: fair, which I don't have to give out to be.
[UNKNOWN]: But if people have come over, I've usually just vacuumed a mop or something.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, you're going to want to have like socks on or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I have to admit that I was holding on to false hopes when it came to Orla.
[UNKNOWN]: I did.
[UNKNOWN]: I went ahead and checked her pulse and it's not looking good.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe in your power as a refugee or the kind of rise again on the third day.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that rebar to the back of the head looks pretty decisive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they were really leading us on with that, weren't they?
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's amazing that the introduces character for a single episode and made, and I'm not the only one who felt this way because we've heard from others in our feedback episode and on Discord saying the same that, yeah, I got attached to her after a single episode.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm pretty sure his name is Mike, but now I'm also like, it looks too obvious, so maybe not.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're having the experience I had with Holston, and that was it, but yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about Luke.
[UNKNOWN]: What is the thing that we have been sitting on for all seasons so far?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Firstly, I need to apologize for too Alicia because I have made the editing of this show.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been it needed to be because I have nearly, I've let the cat out the bag at least twice.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so Alicia sent me a YouTube clip of an interview with you.
[UNKNOWN]: And in my defense, uh, you had watched the first episode of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I had not yet watched it.
[UNKNOWN]: This was obviously way back before.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And I assumed this was from the first episode, but sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I, in fantasy, wasn't interviewed with Tim Robbins and Rebecca Ferguson.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: in the interview itself was like, the cat of the back kind of, um, but yeah, bunny's alive.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so basically this news outlet, and I won't say which one, I don't even remember on the top of my head to be honest, I think they jumped the gun, and they probably meant to upload some other video that was, you know, for a preseason or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But they accidentally uploaded this interview that obviously should not be going out until after this episode came out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, so yeah, I am sorry, Lee, you've been nearly letting the cow out of the back on several occasions.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry for spoiling that in the first place, so we've been sitting on Abby and I did address it in the in the book club discussion, but we've been sitting here on the news that like,
[UNKNOWN]: But we couldn't speculate on it openly.
[UNKNOWN]: Well now we can't.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now we can.
[UNKNOWN]: Finally.
[UNKNOWN]: So how are you feeling about Juliet and Shirley's relationship after this episode?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they are.
[UNKNOWN]: They are like you're putting the notes.
[UNKNOWN]: They are on the same page.
[UNKNOWN]: They can kind of don't know each other, but they get well.
[UNKNOWN]: Shirley knows Juliet and she kind of know Shirley but kind of doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: she knows her in her gut and that's the important thing yeah and she knows like she knows her in her gut and she has uh she has some like unrelated memories you know like oh yeah she's the one who gave me the cookie tin with the note in it you know she knows enough like that she can really trust her even if she doesn't remember whatever late-night conversations they had as teenagers or whatever at this point you know yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Um, were you surprised that Kennedy, we were waiting for Lucas to tell Kennedy some truths.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he tells Kennedy some truths and Kennedy is like, Oh, shit.
[UNKNOWN]: But then it's not because his mind is glowed.
[UNKNOWN]: It's because he's like, they got to.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I did think like, obviously Patrick Kennedy doesn't believe him.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think the other outside is where he's willing to hear him out.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, and I think to be fair to Patrick Kennedy, he didn't completely dismiss Lucas or say you're on your own.
[UNKNOWN]: He went alone with the whole Let's Find Juliette Plan, so- Well, yeah, but I'll say there's two, we'll talk about this obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: Moreover, there's two reasons he did that A, Kathleen, who was a Lucas believer.
[UNKNOWN]: The whole, she was a Lucas Truth or like, she's like, I don't think he's dead.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we should let Juliette look for him because she might find him.
[UNKNOWN]: And now she's like, and I am inclined to believe the stuff he's saying now.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I think the thing is Lucas told them, Julie yet recognized me when she saw me.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's when Patrick was like, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, this this whole thing has me extra excited to watch episode five.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like a lot of it is really like set up and pointing toward a bunch of like we're left with Yeah, dangling mysteries that are obviously going to be the driving force of episode five, I assume.
[UNKNOWN]: I would I would hope so.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I am starting to get a little concern.
[UNKNOWN]: We haven't seen a dickie bird from silos 17 and we're almost halfway through the series.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess should I say with the title is of the next episode?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, fun by me.
[UNKNOWN]: Skip forward once if you don't want to hear it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's memory.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm hoping that means that everything comes flooding back.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, oh, wait a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: What about solo?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I just want to know solo and the kids are okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Me too.
[UNKNOWN]: Any other fresh shakes at the top?
[UNKNOWN]: Nope, let's get into the plot by plot.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You are regularly scheduled breakdown.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll begin in three, two, one.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, as usual, we're going to be going plot by plot rather than seen by seen today, focusing first on the before times, the Daniel part of the timeline, before moving on to what's going on in silo 17 and Juliet's era.
[UNKNOWN]: And let's start with the before times,
[UNKNOWN]: Exiting hacker Steve's hideout and Baltimore after finding him a ductive, Helen, Jessica Henwick, smashes Daniel, Ashley Zuckerman's phone, and tells him to make himself scarce, invoking the title of the episode, whatever you do, don't go home.
[UNKNOWN]: She writes an address on his hand and tells him to meet her there at 10 p.m.
[UNKNOWN]: The address turns out to be the swanky apartment of an award-winning photojournalist ex of Helen's.
[UNKNOWN]: Helen says she thinks going to the police would be useless given the level of people they seem to be up against.
[UNKNOWN]: Their only lead is that Hacker Steve told them the encrypted comms from Charlotte's mission were recorded by someone in Moldova.
[UNKNOWN]: They both recall something weird about the chess game Steve was playing during their visit.
[UNKNOWN]: And their new plan is to try to trace the player names to find another copy of the recording to leak to the public.
[UNKNOWN]: The next morning, Daniel brings Donuts back to the apartment and forms Helen.
[UNKNOWN]: He's made a phone call.
[UNKNOWN]: They have an appointment at the Pentagon in an hour.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's on this sequence.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think obviously, Daniel and Helen's relationship.
[UNKNOWN]: is sort of flowering is progressing.
[UNKNOWN]: They definitely have chemistry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go out on a limb and say, they may not be a couple by the end of the show, but I think they will have hooked up by the end of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: But I want to be a folks who have journalists because that is a nice apartment.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, I mean, he looked like, I mean, I'm making an assumption about him being a photojournalist and it seems like Daniel made the assumption too.
[UNKNOWN]: She said, so his name's Palmer.
[UNKNOWN]: She said he's on assignment in South Sudan and was supposed to be gone another week after that.
[UNKNOWN]: And Helen was continuing to hide out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And so he has like, he has that photo of Helen, obviously, which is a weird thing for your- Yeah, I'm gonna say, that's weird, right?
[UNKNOWN]: That is.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be odd if you were in a relationship if you were not in a relationship, that is just creepy as hell.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you're in a relationship, it makes sense and your photojournalist, you might have a portrait of your significant other, but it is an interesting thing to keep up on the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: But he also has, like, for example, he's got this serious gun on display and, like, this marble man style photo, I'm like, are, am I sure he's a photojournalist or did Daniel and I just assume that because he takes photographs apparently and puts them on as well.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, I have to ask as the, as the, um, non-American.
[UNKNOWN]: So I, I see this in, I see this in lots of American shows.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm assuming the bug data is like a corner show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, OK.
[UNKNOWN]: I think, I mean, I think it's, I guess, uh, I've spent a lot less time in, I do a family in DC, but I've spent a lot less time there in the than in New York, but normally the word bodega you associate with New York.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I just reminds me of, um, half-baked.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, say, with me, bodega.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, we'll, we'll come back to the bodega, but about Palmer.
[UNKNOWN]: He, this not only does he have a photo of Helen prominently on his wall, but he, Helen helped him pick out the furniture.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess that means they had a certain level of seriousness
[UNKNOWN]: And he left her with a key for her use.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I didn't, well, I used to have a key to an ex's house I was friends with for, you know, security reasons, but in general,
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean if he's often on assignment overseas, it might make sense to sort of have some body to, to like, sublet it to hell and rather than a stranger.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know that she's paying him for it, I think he's- No, I don't think she is, but I'm just trying to work out a scenario where that would be where it would make a bit more sense.
[UNKNOWN]: I like, and like, somebody's got to go in and collect the mail every so often.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: There's that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I feel like though whoever this Palmer is is not overhelmed and maybe no, she's got them nuts and foot.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a very nice photo by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if that's like one of Jessica had wicks, you know, uh, headshots, headshots, yeah, could be could be.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I do, yeah, I do love the chemistry that's picking up between Daniel and Helen.
[UNKNOWN]: I had to laugh out loud when it starts out Daniel comes out of out of Hacker Steve's place.
[UNKNOWN]: And he starts dialing his phone.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Helen and I said at the same time, what are you doing?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, we have to call someone.
[UNKNOWN]: And she like smacks it down and smashes it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's such a good.
[UNKNOWN]: character moment to, you know, in support of what I've been saying that Daniel's perhaps just a little too earnest for his own good at times, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: And to know Charlotte this week, because we also hear that, you know, Charlotte, Helen rightfully points out that they're probably monitoring calls to Charlotte, so if they're looking for them, that's obviously a place that they
[UNKNOWN]: On a witty think, Daniel says he walked around for two hours while he waited to get to that apartment.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess we should just take him at face value.
[UNKNOWN]: Until we get something else, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: What else is he going to do?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... but we hear that Helen in the meantime snuck back into her old office to do research so they took her laptop but forgot to take her keycard i'm surprised about that uh... and i'm also what i don't know i'm thinking of my plan the keycard no that's possible to although what about
[UNKNOWN]: cameras at the office.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess if they don't know to look for her, they wouldn't see it, but if they did look for her, they would find it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then they'd be able to see what she was looking up to on the computer.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We get confirmation that Hacker Steve is maybe not the best at personal security because his real name actually is Stephen Price?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so maybe not
[UNKNOWN]: And so, and that Helen found his cell number, God of Recording, that the phone was not used.
[UNKNOWN]: And she also tried to call James Alameda, the father of Charlotte Squadron Leader Juan, who won who we met last week at the few.
[UNKNOWN]: We met James at the funeral, obviously, Juan was the subject of the funeral.
[UNKNOWN]: But James, his phone's also not working, although Daniel used it to contact him two days ago.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll obviously get back to that when we talk about them meeting another character, but yeah, interesting, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I have to call out the soft slander, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: I used to drive two subs from the 90s.
[UNKNOWN]: And those were good cars.
[UNKNOWN]: Like afterwards, at some point, they started to turn into what we called sub-errors where they just use like a different, a different cheaper body model and stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: But before that, when they were fully Swedish cars, they were some of the safest cars in the road.
[UNKNOWN]: And I myself,
[UNKNOWN]: had once a a head on collision because someone pulled out of a parking lots when there was a bush blocking their way and they'd been drinking a little bit of dinner.
[UNKNOWN]: And I walked away with nothing but airbag burns.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you 30 year old sob.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 30 year old sob's like at the job done.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: So Helen, you keep driving that car.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Although we see no in a minivan.
[UNKNOWN]: I also was a little felt a little called out by the two-year-old pickles comment like I don't think I have two-year-old pickles, but I definitely have kept pickles a lot longer than I probably should have I now realized and I actually went looking up
[UNKNOWN]: do pickles not last as long as I think, and no, they are designed to last longer because they are in brine.
[UNKNOWN]: They are sealed with the lid and you keep them in a fridge, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: So they last well pass their cell by date.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe not to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want you to know, Alisha, I'm judging the heck out of you, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this I'm judging everyone with their food waste where people get obsessed with the sell by dates and instead of just using like when I was looking up do pickles last as long as I think they do and they're they were like, well, you'll you'll be able to tell right away when it's gone bad.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I am saying if they've been in the F2 years, they will have gone by.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But that is the question.
[UNKNOWN]: So apparently Palmer is gone for another week, but why does he have only two-year-old pickles in his fridge?
[UNKNOWN]: Has he even eating the two-year-old pickles or has he been gone longer than it seems?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So Helen, if you do have like access privileges, too, his apartment, the, the, the, the, the, the protocol there is definitely the, you should film his fridge.
[UNKNOWN]: Before he comes home, I if you're actually staying there then well at least clean up after yourself Yeah, or don't like she's like yeah, help yourself to whatever and I'm like well I don't know if that's like And at least you're gonna replace it I was like I saw wine bottles out there like that's yeah, yeah I don't know that fight is huge Yeah, it was a really nice really nice apart really nice for mm-hmm
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm jealous.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really nicely decorated too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely my kind of taste actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Except the gun on the wall.
[UNKNOWN]: I do not have any guns on my wall, I'll say.
[UNKNOWN]: But I understand, it was a badass looking gun.
[UNKNOWN]: And he had it like full-dapart and pieces.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, but it just, yeah, the whole thing like he's in South Sudan.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes it sound like he's there on, like, you know, a photo journalism mission, but I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see any of the most dangerous places in the world.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and sure you that you might want to take photos there, but I wonder if there's more to it to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And another thing that they are wondering if there's more to actually we wondered it last week and they wondered it on the show for us this week is that chess game.
[UNKNOWN]: They noticed that when Steve got a message about making a move in the chess game he got like.
[UNKNOWN]: really into it in a way that they're like, hmm, that was noteworthy.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was noteworthy enough.
[UNKNOWN]: They looked at his board and they each noticed something important.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel, who apparently is a chess player and wondering if that will turn up, he says he's a couple moves away from mate and just exposed his king.
[UNKNOWN]: Are you a chess player at all?
[UNKNOWN]: No, not really.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I kind of know how to play it, but only sort of.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not really a chess player because yeah, the whole thing about chess being a being a, you know, A.
[UNKNOWN]: A.
[UNKNOWN]: what's the word?
[UNKNOWN]: Being a thinks anonymous with war not really, not really, no it is, it's a strategy game, but no it isn't, but I didn't say that.
[UNKNOWN]: No, but it's just people ask me that a lot with what I do is do you play a lot of chess?
[UNKNOWN]: No, because it's not really another log to what I studied.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I just think that it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, no, I, when I think of chess, I think most of my father, he, um, he's really into chess and go and actually like teaches chess and go to, um, like near the on the reservation in Oklahoma.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but so you would think I might be good at it, but I used to obviously, I know all the rules as you said, and when I was young, I used to, you know, like to mess around with it on the computer and stuff, but then I don't know, I just went down different rabbit holes of interest.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was in the chess club at school, but that's where I was.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's further than I got.
[UNKNOWN]: I just ended home sometimes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I'm not like an expert at that either, but if anyone, I mean, I understand a couple moves away from mate and he just exposed his king that's clearly just not a logical thing to do.
[UNKNOWN]: And presumably, this is not this guy's first chess game.
[UNKNOWN]: So I get that.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems to be that they were communicating through the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And Helen brings up Edward Snowden when he leaked an essay documents in 2013.
[UNKNOWN]: They included information that government agents were using World of Warcraft to try to infiltrate terrorist organizations.
[UNKNOWN]: Who they hypothesized were might be using online games to communicate.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know any, first of all, I just want to call out the 2013.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, we're getting this mid 2010 times.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: so we keep we we thought it was like the near future but actually it's probably the near past.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah I mean we just think about one if he was a child when you and I were children and you and I are in our early mid-30s, 40s now.
[UNKNOWN]: 42 in my case.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay and he is
[UNKNOWN]: He looked like, I mean, we don't know his name, but he areas age, but he looked like 30.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like 20s early 30s.
[UNKNOWN]: It's feeling, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, and the stuff of the journalism and everything we talked about, it's feeling, like, it's like the late 2010s or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing with World Warcraft, I believe that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: But, um, I'd have to go away and check, but I believe that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel speculates what is he trying to say uh... the king the king has fallen if that were the case who would be the king i don't even know as a book reader you had no idea no idea to be honest i don't think that i think that was probably talking of the wrong trade it to be honest maybe maybe he's he's trying he's trying he's trying he's putting on his journalism brain
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and they noted, so I think I might have gotten the names switched last time because they're saying here I think that Steve's user name is Bigfoot Lives and the other one I said last week was like X file something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, Helen has a good visual memory because she clocked that right away.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess she was curious.
[UNKNOWN]: I've like, why did you react like that to that chess game while you're in the middle of something?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We also learn Helen Drew does not like to be called Nancy Drew.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you made that connection.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, the way she went, I will kill you.
[UNKNOWN]: I will kill you and hear you sleep.
[UNKNOWN]: And the way he gives her this, like, eye twinkle smirk that's adorable.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, now kiss.
[UNKNOWN]: Very, very Kennedy-esque.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure Zikaman is playing Daniel was very Kennedy-esque.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I can see that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: then also the next morning when he comes back with the donuts and she thought he ran and he's like so you missed me But she admonishes him for going out for food when there are black ops assholes after them and But Daniel he went around the corner to use the bodegas phone and had to make a purchase to use it and that's where he called his friend
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I mean, this is another question about the dating, but he said it was at the bodega.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was always using the the owner's phone.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'd devise something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, right.
[UNKNOWN]: I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, as far we haven't seen any pay phones in this show, that would also dated a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: The pay phones stuck around longer than people realized, but they just got less and less and people didn't use them.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they just were gone one day.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, any thoughts about this opening scene between this opening sequence between Helen and Daniel?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think I've driven one with all this, but yeah, they definitely have, they definitely have chemistry.
[UNKNOWN]: That they are going to get down at some point.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, well, let's take a quick pause here when we come back.
[UNKNOWN]: We will talk about them getting down to the Pentagon.
[UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, so Daniel has a friend with access, and the meeting he set up is with Sam Ramsey, play by Elijah Cook, and old friend and bandmate of Daniels from his time serving overseas.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel had told Sam the meeting was about something to do with cybersecurity, and now he fills him in on what they're actually looking for, Hacker Steve's chess match mate.
[UNKNOWN]: and his motive is helping his sister Charlotte who returned from the Iran operation with a TBI and memory loss.
[UNKNOWN]: Helen jumps in to cite Charlotte's concerns about the mission going in and the unencrypted comms recording they tracked down through Hacker Steve.
[UNKNOWN]: And that Steve and the recording then went missing.
[UNKNOWN]: Sam's not thrilled that the pair have shown up at his place of work, the courtyard of the mother-flipping pentagon to drag him into whatever mess this is.
[UNKNOWN]: He says he's open to jam sometime with his old friend, but he has to stay out of this.
[UNKNOWN]: So obviously we'll pick up with him later, but
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, does this mean do we have our answer about Daniel's musical taste that I hope no I hope he got a Kenny G fan or he's gonna go way down in my ester, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: He was being called Kenny G because he plays a second time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and yeah, he calls his friend Sam the ram.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh, that's some real American brochure.
[UNKNOWN]: But their band name was the Lost Boys, and they played 80's covers, like, don't, don't you want me and she's a rich girl.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we've got, we've got an answer about her done it, and again, this is all pointing towards it being more sort of 2010, because, yeah, like...
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you can still play 80's covers today.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess, but I'm so many of Daniel's age.
[UNKNOWN]: me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe, but not likely.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, it's like you'd be nostalgic for 90.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, how old do we think Daniel is though?
[UNKNOWN]: I'd say, I'd say he's like 40 to 45.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what I would think too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but then that would make it like, so if you and I are both between 40 and 45, that would make it like now ish, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'm going to start to board here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say it is definitely a different timeline for the book says for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I also thought it was for any of the Daniel introduces Helen as his assistant at first in that last about 10 seconds because Helen does not like to attend to be anyone other than she is.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: That's cute.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I've journalism going to.
[UNKNOWN]: But how much do you trust Sam at this point?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll talk about it, but he does come round in the end, so I don't know where the sun is going to be a recurring character or not to be honest But I mean, what Daniel and Helen were doing was like, what would be unreasonable from his point of view?
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't blame him from having the initial reaction that he did Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I mean, he seems, yeah, he seems worried.
[UNKNOWN]: And he does, he does, like, as soon as they say about the recording, he's immediately like, what did you hear?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, no, you shouldn't be able to hear anything.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, what did you hear?
[UNKNOWN]: Airplanes are no longer controlled by their pilots.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, that's a reaction you could have because you're like, oh, God, what do you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Or a reaction you have because you're like, what that shouldn't be possible, I'm curious.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I mean, I just, I just think what, I, I just took it as you're here.
[UNKNOWN]: You're asking me for this favor and like you say, you're doing it in the middle of the mother flipping Pentagon.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: What did you, what, what do you want me to do?
[UNKNOWN]: I am not about to throw away my entire career and live in jail for you just because we played in a band.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he says I signed so many secrecy documents you wouldn't believe and he's like well actually you would because you did too and that he has to take a lie detector test every six months, which sounds like that could generally be a thing to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: There isn't there is an interesting thing going on at the moment with that.
[UNKNOWN]: because I've read some accounts of people working in the Office of National Intelligence and the CIA and they are regularly polygraphed and they're also have meetings with their internal human resources quite regularly and they are like encouraged to speak very candidly about their lives in order that they are not blackmailed
[UNKNOWN]: And there are, there are accounts, there are strong rumours that the Trump administration is using the content of those meetings to target queer and trans employees and the intelligence agencies and then firing.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, there is a very real possibility that an entire system based on trust and openness.
[UNKNOWN]: And the idea that if you tell us things we won't judge you for them, we just want you to tell us because then the Russians and the Chinese can't use it to blackmail you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because work already knows.
[UNKNOWN]: might be breaking down.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean and it shouldn't have to be like there are things that okay tell us things about yourself and we won't judge you for it like that time you were arrested for shoplifting as a teenager.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas like that's that's a thing where I can
[UNKNOWN]: that's a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: People might judge you for, but whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: But just the fact of being queer trends that should just be like, like you shouldn't have to feel bad about having blonde hair, or, you know, about.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, having big feet or whatever, like these are just facts of life.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true, but like, it can still be used for the purposes of blackmail and some of the nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: No, and this is exactly why, you know, this is exactly how trust and governments are undermined.
[UNKNOWN]: Because, for instance, things like census data, it is so important for science and
[UNKNOWN]: that accurate senses data is taken.
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, there's a problem where maybe certain governments don't want to pay for that, and that's its own problem.
[UNKNOWN]: But then to add on that, the fear, and obviously there's been reason throughout history to have this fear of sharing that information because of things like this.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, oh, I just get so frustrated with the way humanity is constantly shooting itself in the foot.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: For it.
[UNKNOWN]: And you end up with a little bit selfishness of just- And you end up with a less effective intelligence community as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Just everybody's worse off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, speaking of intelligence, we would learn one more thing about Sam, which is he mentions he is a sister who's an insurance agent, and that he has a wife and kids, which was an interesting thing for me to read as a book reader, because I'll say of front that there is a character from this part of the timeline in the books that has not shown up on screen yet, Abby and I've been speculating about it a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, where is this character we've already
[UNKNOWN]: And so this character kind of fits this this having this background friendship with Daniel, plus having access does fit some things about this character but then him having a wife and kids definitely does not fit some things about this character.
[UNKNOWN]: So the topic of this week's book club this special deep dive topic is going to be about that version of the book character and now
[UNKNOWN]: Three potential characters they made to be dividing his story between in the book, including Sam.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: You know when Sam said I have a wife and kid, did that feel to you a little bit like and he was two weeks away from retirement?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh no, someone, I forgot who it was, sorry, but so when we're saying in the chat, I think said first, he's very hot, and then I hope nothing happens to him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's just when he said, I got wife kids, I felt very much, I'm like I used to, he was two weeks away from the time.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's like when Oral is said, I'll tell you when I get back.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I hope nothing happens to Sam.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, but let's switch to after Sam walks away.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I just, I don't know what you're doing here.
[UNKNOWN]: I got to go.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and after Sam walks away, Daniel looks up and sees Henry Reed Bernie, the same man he saw with the captain of the Nimitz at Wands funeral.
[UNKNOWN]: And Helen recognizes him as well as the mysterious man in the Zaws office when she was fired.
[UNKNOWN]: Little did they both know he's been following Charlotte too.
[UNKNOWN]: But now he finally walks right up to speak to them directly.
[UNKNOWN]: He invites them for a coffee where he tells them that hackers Steve is fine.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just been given a highly coveted position at a cyber security think tank.
[UNKNOWN]: And James, Alameda, he says received a very generous loan to bail out his brother's woodworking shop.
[UNKNOWN]: Henry tells Daniel and Helen that they are endangering something very important.
[UNKNOWN]: He dangles a job at the times in front of an employee journalist Helen's face, and, for Donald, he threatens him with withdrawing financial coverage of his sister Charlotte's ongoing treatment.
[UNKNOWN]: After the meeting, Helen emphasizes that they have nothing to go public with, and they know they will be blocked from obtaining any such evidence by the powerful forces lined up against them.
[UNKNOWN]: She seems to want to take Henry's deal.
[UNKNOWN]: So, what do you think about this exchange?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, just knowingly, if I ever get a huge research grunt with no strings attached, it probably means that aliens exist, because yeah, I'm taking the money.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, OK, so you're saying you'll take the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll take definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll take the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: I put in the way I want to talk to this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: And we will kidnap you, but we'll do it nicely.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, okay, so here's the thing, voverswell is interesting that Henry offers Helen a carrot and Daniel the stick.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, you were saying that your estimation of Daniel has gone up and Helen has gone down, and I think that's interesting that Henry looked at them both and said, Daniel will not take an incentive unless it's a threat to someone close to him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, like the hell and we'll respond to the Cara and Daniel will respond to the stick.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Although, yeah, if she's like, of course, I want to job at the times you sent Moni as fuck.
[UNKNOWN]: And she says, but I also want Charlotte to get the care she needs.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she's your sister, but she's also my source.
[UNKNOWN]: And here's my question about this.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so that comes across as a little bit selfish.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, but she's also my source.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Helen that the times is gonna let you continue this investigation that got you in trouble in the first place?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now that's not happening.
[UNKNOWN]: And like just because the times might be inclined to take you back, like I think you will be doing like human interest stories, like local New York politics.
[UNKNOWN]: They are not gonna let you near anything like juicy.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to know what Helen did to lose her job now, because it sounds like what she was making
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you know, it's some sort of breach of journalistic ethics.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it says something about Helen's reputation for journalistic fraud and Helen again and Monash's Daniel for not Googling her more thoroughly like why didn't she look me up more?
[UNKNOWN]: But Daniel does later when he's in the office, he looks it up and we see we can see the headline that she fell for a fictitious source it seems.
[UNKNOWN]: So it sounds more like she was being a dumbass rather than like a malicious fraud or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I missed a bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was just on the computer screen for a before.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, Sam called.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not very good at picking up on stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is a show where yeah, I'm definitely every time something's on the computer screen.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm pausing and reading.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's why you come to this podcast so that I can do that for you guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I'm assuming obviously we'll hear more about that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll say that the way it was it was blocking most of the screen,
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, like a pencil thing on the desk or whatever, I was blocking.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so Henry, we are calling him Henry because that's what he's called in the credits and it's just easier to have a name for him.
[UNKNOWN]: But he'd noticeably addresses them by name, but refuses to give his own.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, good, good, good, good, good.
[UNKNOWN]: Trankraft.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, I mean, and also Daniel even asks like, he's like, oh, you gave these things to these people in exchange for what?
[UNKNOWN]: And Henry does not answer he just says he is merely representing people who have the ability to offer these things.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's saying I am not the man with power.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm the man who does the dirty work for the people with the power.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you know what this reminded me of.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Mr. Kobayashi in the usual suspect.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Pete Possible, though, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, really?
[UNKNOWN]: OK, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, OK. Uh-huh.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And if anyone, why is that significant for this show, if anyone?
[UNKNOWN]: Because Billy Possible, Dwight, who plays down beat that beaty hank, is his son.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, Pete Pete.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I do.
[UNKNOWN]: I did think it was funny.
[UNKNOWN]: They refused to drink anything.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, how about you coffee and they're like, no, thanks.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: And I like, and this is a thing like Daniel has a subtle personality, but I quite like it.
[UNKNOWN]: He's this quiet sarcasm, like he's like, we're all set, appreciate it.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's got like he's he's also he's a nice Georgia boy, you know, and a politician But still like the way he delivers this.
[UNKNOWN]: He does it's like squint with his eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like almost like an eye roll It's like now we're good.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks buddy bless your heart
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but he, okay, here's the thing, do you believe what he said about Hacker Steve and James Alameda.
[UNKNOWN]: Alameda.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yes, on balance, I do, because you do tend to catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
[UNKNOWN]: and like certainly from a strata made out like he is not in this conspiracy theory well it could very much be we're sorry for your loss you know you're once of this country here is here is some it way here to help you help stay tacist even less so but like you said in the show notes
[UNKNOWN]: government agencies do hire hackers fairly regularly and my understanding is it pays fairly it pays very well well yeah no I do know people who have had that happen and yeah no so it's definitely a legit thing that happens I just I find it odd that their phones wouldn't work
[UNKNOWN]: like I can understand like they wouldn't want to give them information by the fact that they're phones.
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that like Steve seems to have been kidnapped.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like false.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, no, it was maybe wasn't a kidnapping.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it was just a meeting that he was falsely asked.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, fair.
[UNKNOWN]: I am going to remain a little suspicious until we actually see them.
[UNKNOWN]: They're, if they're going back to their lives, you know, like it's not like, um, uh, they've, you know, uh, James has to leave his wife or whatever, you know, he's going home.
[UNKNOWN]: Why wouldn't his phone still work?
[UNKNOWN]: well yeah okay okay but let's take it let's take it at face value what he says he offered them now I I'll say for James Elameda he said that he was bailing out his brother's woodworking shop and he says in uh to had choppy California sorry if I said that wrong the correct pronunciation of that town is to hatch a P
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, let's do.
[UNKNOWN]: I was not familiar with this name, per se, although I should have been once I looked it up.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a mountain town in California, obviously, and just a quote Wikipedia, Taya Chappie.
[UNKNOWN]: Taya Chappie has been host to productions by both Hollywood and independent filmmakers, as well as being frequently mentioned, particularly during the noir era,
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, it's been in a bunch of noir movies like, um, Maltese Falcon and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I should have recognized that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I suppose it's just like a, uh, Hollywood easter egg.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.
[UNKNOWN]: The other one, I wonder if it has plot significance.
[UNKNOWN]: So the Radford group is where they say Hacker Steve has his new job.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, I wonder if we'll hear more about this group.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems to be a fictional group, but I think I'm assuming it's named after someone named James Radford, who was inducted into the cryptological of honor in 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: Aaron's a bell but you've done we've done really extensive research for this show.
[UNKNOWN]: I like I don't think Alicia puts together the notes for the show but the quality of the research is top-notch, Ed.
[UNKNOWN]: Keep on a lot of time and effort into this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do go down a rabbit hole for better or worse for my own Benefit As you know and juggling it with other work sometimes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe I should do less, but this is where I just talk with
[UNKNOWN]: This is where I would want to spend most of my working time if I could, if I could afford to do so.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so I mean, I just was curious, like who is this James Radford?
[UNKNOWN]: And there's three big things from his background that were cited as reasons why he was inducted into this hall of honor.
[UNKNOWN]: And one is,
[UNKNOWN]: In the late 1970s, confronted with an analytic situation for which existing machine support was inadequate, Radford convinced NSA management that it would be possible to work with an outside contractor to solve this problem in a way that would protect NSA secrets.
[UNKNOWN]: So basically, he was
[UNKNOWN]: a breakthrough person in getting the NSA to cooperate with outside agencies so that they could get more expertise when needed on various things without compromising internal security.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that might be relevant to the plot?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, most certainly might be relevant from Henry's point of view or the people Henry work for Henry works for.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like is there is Radford group going to
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because, I mean, Henry, 10 restinks of three letter agents.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So could Brad for group B, one of these external agencies.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: And they want to say sort of thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The second thing that James Bradford, the real person is famous for, uh, who that really will, you'll understand why it immediately perked up my ears.
[UNKNOWN]: In the early 1990s, Bradford developed SPDs.
[UNKNOWN]: What are SPDs?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Bob.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, future editor Alicia says, I think it's surge protective devices.
[UNKNOWN]: That's my best guess.
[UNKNOWN]: The next question.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that enabled NSA's strong support of US forces participating in Operation Desert Storm.
[UNKNOWN]: Many in the agency's leadership credited this development with intelligence production that saved many lives.
[UNKNOWN]: So I say Operation Desert Storm like that because what we talked about it last episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about it last week.
[UNKNOWN]: So we know, yeah, James Alameda, he is, again, he's not, he was the one with the woodworking chop, not hack or Steve, but he participated in Operation Desert Storm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's all coming together.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, it comes together.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the final thing that seems interesting was, later that decade, Radford assembled an interdisciplinary team of personnel experts in crypt analysis, mathematics research, and micro-electronics research that produced devices and plans for devices that enhanced the performance of the most powerful supercomputers against specific analytic problems in emerging technologies.
[UNKNOWN]: So are we thinking something to do with the algorithm?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, so one interesting thing that...
[UNKNOWN]: So the technology, as we have noted, in the silo itself, in Julia's time, is behind what we're seeing as, you know, normal world technologies we know it today is we're seeing in the previous timeline of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And we learned in season one that one reason for that is the packed prohibits
[UNKNOWN]: The, you know, use of micro-technologies.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can't build new computers because you can't build computer trips because you can't use magnification devices and blah, blah, blah.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's interesting that this James Radford specialized and exactly that sort of thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think that's to stop any, but as a security measure to stop anybody potentially messing with the algorithm or interact with the algorithm?
[UNKNOWN]: If they're not ahead of it, it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but yeah, it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just interesting that I'm glad I went on that rabbit hole because I was like Maybe read for this somebody who's relevant and then I'm like actually surprising level of relevance, perhaps maybe we'll say
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I may have spoiled it.
[UNKNOWN]: I may have stumbled on a bit of an edge of books for a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: What would you think?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not a books, but I just said I won't talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But what do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: What is your assumption then?
[UNKNOWN]: I just make sense to me that if you've got a very powerful algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: Running long computers much more advanced than anything else in the cyber.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And my algorithm is there as...
[UNKNOWN]: the ultimate watchdog of the silent, you wouldn't want to run the risk of having anybody interact with the algorithm who wasn't authorized to do so, so wasn't the head of IT or their shadow, and you wouldn't want anybody to have to compete in power necessary to mess with the algorithm, either.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, even within the population's the algorithm is controlling.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, and I don't also, like I said last week, I do wonder if the algorithm has been running continuously for 352 years and we've no reason to suppose that it hasn't been.
[UNKNOWN]: Has it been able to evolve beyond the original parameters of its programming?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, good questions, good questions, and speaking of things to think about Helen says she wants to go think she's going to go back to her exes place for the next week he's away think about stuff and Daniel's like, well, I guess I'll go catch up on work then and that's that.
[UNKNOWN]: He howling in the writers have a very cynical view of what Congress people do because yes, they ask people for money But that's always seen Daniel do like he isn't read the single piece of legislation He's not responded to a single piece of constituency correspondents that we see.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, first of all, this is not like there's not like
[UNKNOWN]: parts of the novel where Daniel's making phone calls like this, but it does seem like a normal part of his job.
[UNKNOWN]: We do know that obviously legislation is a big thing in this world as always because Anna specifically works on that for her.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think we should not assume that whenever Daniel's offscreen he's not doing other things.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just for the TV side.
[UNKNOWN]: It's convenient to have him make the phone call so that probably mostly so that we can get this late night phone call that comes first.
[UNKNOWN]: So let me set that up.
[UNKNOWN]: Back at his office, empty at this late hour, Daniel receives a phone call from his friend Sam.
[UNKNOWN]: He says he's rooted the call through a burner so that it can't be tracked.
[UNKNOWN]: From Daniel's side, it will look like one of the many fundraising calls he makes, albeit at an unusually late hour.
[UNKNOWN]: He says Sam says he looked into what Daniel said about Charlotte's mission and found something.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Daniel shows up at Palmer's apartment to update Helen.
[UNKNOWN]: he asks her for her help and the two set off in Daniel's new shady mini van rental.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it could be stolen from long ago.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, look how badass I am with my mini van.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, didn't didn't didn't didn't didn't to y'all and buy off some guy who's advertising on what Lampos.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what he said cash.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he rented it even.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, we're going to give it back.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see if the van makes it back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But we also learned from the phone call with Sam that apparently a week has passed since their pentagon meeting.
[UNKNOWN]: So, that Helen was still just chilling in Palmer's place, but... Oh yeah, unlike...
[UNKNOWN]: He's, she said he'd be gone for another week, so he must be...
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna say Paul, Paul, turn up any minute.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, that's what it felt like.
[UNKNOWN]: If he'd be like, go be like, go be like, go be like, go be like, go be like, go.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess they're they're gone by like wishy planning to stick around until he got back I guess if they're on good terms I guess be yeah like who's been sleeping in my bed And where are my pickles?
[UNKNOWN]: Where are my pickles?
[UNKNOWN]: I was saving though.
[UNKNOWN]: It's for two years Oh, they didn't they did leave donuts and burccles pretty really like I mean I hope they're cleaned up a week later um
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, so we've used the Juliet to Sim's Nardscale.
[UNKNOWN]: We've said that it's about morality, but I realized I think what the Juliet to Sim's Nardscale really is is about trust.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't know that I always think Juliet is the most moral person, but I trust her to tell me the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Whereas I trust Sim's number Nard, the least, to tell me the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you agree with that assessment?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, oh, oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, and now I've always thought it was good versus body, but yeah, good, he's just body, he's been, yes, yeah, now that makes sense, I think trust is just a certainly one component, so it's not scale.
[UNKNOWN]: For me, I think it's the main component because I was struggling with having Juliet on the good end because I don't think she's always necessarily the most moral, but what does moral mean?
[UNKNOWN]: talent like it is be honest with me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So, okay, if we see it as a trust scale for this purpose, where do you place Sam on it at this point?
[UNKNOWN]: I place him towards the duty at end.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's an old friend of Daniels, I think he does have a sense of right and wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I say, I did have a horrible feeling at the wedding.
[UNKNOWN]: There's just something about the way that line about having a wife and kids was delivered the very minute for me a mind off and I was two weeks to retirement.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I do wonder if that line was for the book readers to be like no, it's not what you think because I told you like immediate it's like Oh Daniel's old friend who has special access to things.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh he's a wife kids.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's not who I think.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay Hmm yeah, I would I'm inclined to believe him until I have reason not to believe him
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, I mean, I think just this is the type of show that has me suspecting everyone.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm gonna put him in the middle now because like I was saying like his reactions to things, I was trying to read them both ways and seeing which made sense and I'm like honestly.
[UNKNOWN]: It could go either way like if you said it was all in the up and up and he meant every reaction as it seems then I'd be like Yeah, that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like actually he was playing a game the whole time trying to like get info from Daniel I'd be like, oh, yeah, that that also makes sense Do we think Henry Is now competition for sims and Bernard on the sims now let's go I mean
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it is Henry Moore competition for example for Amonson, you know, like the hunchman who does the deed rather than the one who decides the deed must be done.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's that's only what he told.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we haven't done it.
[UNKNOWN]: And like if I am the big bad pretending to be a hunchman, you know, it's not a bad
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but so maybe, but they might worry he's not the body, it's the bad bad things.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so I'll say, because this isn't a book spoiler, I'm Abby and I were talking about this character on the book club last week, and she did say before this episode came out.
[UNKNOWN]: So she hadn't seen this explanation he gave.
[UNKNOWN]: Her hypothesis was, she was like, well, honestly, I think he is like more of the henchmen type.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't forget which word she is, but basically along those lines, because the people who are really in charge,
[UNKNOWN]: Don't aren't the ones running around taking care of the details like this.
[UNKNOWN]: So when he said that I was like, oh, I think Abby's right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: It all remains to be seen.
[UNKNOWN]: I did find it interesting with Sam that he knew to find
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel at the office that late at night.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that means he's got well, actually presumably Daniel's office numbers publicly listed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but to know that he'd be there at night, but then he did make sure before he'd said anything.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, who am I speaking with?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's like, oh, I just Congressman then he's like, okay, shut up, it's me.
[UNKNOWN]: yeah interesting and then the question remains what did he find out what he said he told him something do you have any tinfoil hat theories before episode five about that no I don't actually
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just waiting to see what happens.
[UNKNOWN]: My supply of tin foil is running pretty low.
[UNKNOWN]: No, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is the thing, I think it's, I can't get off aliens now.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got tin foil, but I've got tin foil.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got the right of the world.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess, like, yeah, my answers would either be too specific or too general, but I suppose it's just, yeah, you found out something about maybe the Iran Committee, whatever that whole situation is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, we still don't know anything about that.
[UNKNOWN]: The Iran Committee that I don't think is in the Iran Committee.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, do you have any more thoughts about the Daniel part of the story this week?
[UNKNOWN]: Now only then, like I said before, I have re-evaluated my initial assessment of Daniel, so yeah, I am much more, I am much more up on Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: than I was.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel Stocks have risen and Helen's have, Helen's, they've fallen somewhat, they've dipped somewhat.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing is, I don't, I think whatever Daniel does, he is not going to stop until Charlotte is, definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He's driven by caring for his sister for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, as far as Helen, you say, okay, so it's dipped on that side, why exactly?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because she was at least tempted by the, I mean, she didn't take it in the end.
[UNKNOWN]: And we don't think, but she wasn't least tempted by the need to go to the offered to go to the New York Times.
[UNKNOWN]: And that would have sold out.
[UNKNOWN]: That would have sold Daniela.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's not what we're about.
[UNKNOWN]: The British would have.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not like, I'm not like way down on Helen.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, the fact that she was tempted is kind of, yeah, that's that block this way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, I mean, I'll say it is for me, the most telling thing is as Henry character who's been watching them both decided the best way to corrupt them is Helen to give her something she wants.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I guess
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he gave the others things they wanted to shut them up apparently if we take him at face value what he said, but then with Daniel, he's like the only way to get to him is to threaten someone he loves, and the well-being of someone he loves, which I think I guess says more about Daniel's a character than a neighbor of the other's.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, well, let's take a break here when we come back, we're going to switch to the silo
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, so we've got a death warrant out at the end of the last episode, the Algorithm Left Camille, Alexandria, Riley, with a new directive, according to the Algorithm, if Camille wants to save the silo, Juliet, Rebecca Ferguson, has got to go.
[UNKNOWN]: Since it's known the mayor is in the hospital in critical condition after her unmasked exploration of the mines while they were under fumigation, they are left with the opportunity to help her die a hero, her story, and inspiration to all.
[UNKNOWN]: Camille and the algorithm hope that it will bring the rest of the silo together, stepping them all back from the brink of a reset or worse.
[UNKNOWN]: As this is going on, Camille's husband, Judge Robert Sims common, shows up at the office allegedly to offer her moral support at this difficult moment.
[UNKNOWN]: Camille asks him to start the judicial process for installing an interim mayor saying Juliet is unlikely to survive the night, but stops short of telling her husband she plans to outright have her killed.
[UNKNOWN]: Robert, however, knows that the algorithm wanted Juliet dead three months ago, and so guesses that the gassing of the minds must be related to that.
[UNKNOWN]: The Camille tells him Lucas Kyle was the target there.
[UNKNOWN]: Sim says he understands that this could stop the need for a reset.
[UNKNOWN]: He offers to take care of Juliet for his wife, but she insists it has to be her.
[UNKNOWN]: And he insists she doesn't have to be alone.
[UNKNOWN]: By this point, Camille has already asked head of judicial security Emerson, Florian Claire, to tell Nurse Amy, Jacqueline Versus, to subdue Juliet for her arrival.
[UNKNOWN]: But instead of helping Emerson as commanded, Amy instead knocks Emerson out with a syringe and helps Juliet escape.
[UNKNOWN]: Nurse Amy helps Juliet flee, partway down the stairs, offering her oxygen to help with her rat poison damaged lungs.
[UNKNOWN]: So were you surprised by the, uh, about face from Nurse Amy here?
[UNKNOWN]: I was, yeah, I was surprised, but I think by the end of the episode I understood why it happened and what was going on.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, I think she is, I think she is, I think she, what I think she is following
[UNKNOWN]: Um, she figured out that she knew that Bernard was still alive.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you think Bernard's the one giving orders.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I do in this instance.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I have another theory.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because whatever happened to Bernard, he definitely was burned.
[UNKNOWN]: He was definitely not in a way at the end of season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So he wouldn't require some kind of medical care.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: No, say me could have provided that.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: We also know that obviously Bernard is the head of IT.
[UNKNOWN]: And we never know, say, me, does not have a problem, you know, does not have an ethical problem, mystery in her patients and in service to the greater good.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, but because of the whole business with Gloria.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Where is Gloria?
[UNKNOWN]: It's Gloria.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm thinking that, from Amy's point of view, Bernard is still alive.
[UNKNOWN]: Therefore, he is still the legitimate head of my team.
[UNKNOWN]: Therefore, she's going to be following orders from Bernard.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, who do we think the interim there would be?
[UNKNOWN]: Billings?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's see, yeah, it depends how much they still think they can control him.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess they think because Billings is just seemed to press lately They probably think yeah, probably.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, not possible.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have to be in the palm of the head.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I don't think they would make it the guy who led the revolution and is known for having a temper.
[UNKNOWN]: That's true, yeah, especially not after we'll get to his role.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, Scott Scott, that was a bit of a brain fart on my phone.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that there's any other prominent characters that would easily, as easily, they would just slide into that as Billings.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't so, you know, it's not often I say this, but props to, props to Robert Sims.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he was there for his wife when she needed them.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's strange given the context, but I thought that line you don't know, you know, I have to do it, I understand, but you don't have to do it alone.
[UNKNOWN]: That was oddly touching.
[UNKNOWN]: But we had given them the so-called, the what they were talking about is murder.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, well we'll talk about like we've got two more sections at least about the stuff between the sims is they played a big role this episode, but um, based on things that happened this episode, I
[UNKNOWN]: left this episode under the assumption that Robert Sims is the one who was giving orders to the to Narsamey as he had done in the past.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, how cool.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, okay, well, we'll talk about it as we keep going.
[UNKNOWN]: It's especially stuff that comes later, but so I
[UNKNOWN]: like I had a much more, particularly my rewatch of this first scene I had a much more cynical read on that like that, you know, Camille lied to him like his Robert proving to the algorithm, his wife's not the only one who can lie.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying that's why he's doing it, but I did wonder if he was there to distract her, actually, to help let Julia get away.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not having you in a cartoon.
[UNKNOWN]: And, and I also just wonder, I don't know, like if this
[UNKNOWN]: Camille with her, like, oh, I have to be the one to have Julia killed and not all that or do it myself or whatever, she wants to take personal responsibility.
[UNKNOWN]: Does she know or not that her husband had other people killed before?
[UNKNOWN]: She must, right?
[UNKNOWN]: She must, no, at least very strongly suspect.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Camille would have to be an idiot, not to put that together and she's not an idiot.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know that that's necessarily an assumption you jump to.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I don't know, I think she knows most of what Robert Sims has done.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing is, yeah, when we first met this couple, they're like, we are the power, strong couple who tells each other everything.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we see from Camille side at least.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not necessarily true.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm wondering from Robert's side.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that also still not necessarily true?
[UNKNOWN]: And also, and I don't know if I'm reading too much into this line delivery, but when Camille said, Lucas is in the minds.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, he's in the minds.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know if I think that he was genuinely surprised
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I think, I think this is like it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not criticizing common's performance.
[UNKNOWN]: It could be a line.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think sometimes he does have a tendency to like underplay lines.
[UNKNOWN]: I just just putting it out there.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let's move on to the next section with them.
[UNKNOWN]: We have our spies from mechanical.
[UNKNOWN]: As medics continue to help the poison miners, Knox, Shamic Ray, and Shirley, Remy Milner, try to visit Juliet in the hospital, but are turned away.
[UNKNOWN]: Knox distracts the guards, so that Shirley can sneak in to find out what's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: She overhears Robert Sims, debriefing the raiders.
[UNKNOWN]: By now, Camille and Robert have discovered that Emerson has been knocked out in Juliet and Amy are gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Sims tells the Raiders Juliet is somewhere on this level, but all the cameras and medical have been shut down.
[UNKNOWN]: He asks them to be discreet.
[UNKNOWN]: Then Camille comes to Robert privately, surely still listening in and hiding.
[UNKNOWN]: and asks him how they could have been so wrong about the nurse.
[UNKNOWN]: Robert insists that she was always loyal until now, he says he knows the nurse's file and has an idea where she might be trying to take Juliet to her family down below.
[UNKNOWN]: He says he will take care of it personally.
[UNKNOWN]: Shirley returns to Knox, who is being detained to whisper what she's learned before pretending to yell at him for being an asshole and stalking off in search of jewels.
[UNKNOWN]: like props to knocks for this whole scene because he was willing to take your beating just so surely could check in on Julia.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean I think well first of all I think he yeah it was definitely to help Shirley obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he also feels bad for letting Julia go off on her own into the minds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's true, but still, the guys willing to get beaten up for his girlfriend and his BFF, so.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, but I'm also like, it's, I think it was a pleasure for him in the end.
[UNKNOWN]: When, you know, I've got my eye on you.
[UNKNOWN]: Head Raider Johnny is this character's name played by Sean Carter Peterson.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: You're entitled to your opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: And this character is all my shit list.
[UNKNOWN]: You, but you don't think had Raider Johnny deserved to punch in the face.
[UNKNOWN]: After he said, you led the rebellion.
[UNKNOWN]: I was down in the generator room, saw all that gunpowder.
[UNKNOWN]: I said instead of marching you upstairs, we should put you all in there with the gunpowder, then light a match.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Smurmy smile.
[UNKNOWN]: I just love the way Shayne would cry, don't know that's that lied.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're a title to your opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, we're Shayne would cry, but they're on Thursday.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we're happy belated Tim.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, so for me, I was like, I'm amazed that Knox restrained himself for a moment.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, wow, he's having a very level head of response.
[UNKNOWN]: Nope, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether it's just a lucky, dovetailing of goals where punching this douche in the face also serve the purpose of distracting them all so that Shirley can sneak in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh, what I surely, I think that we hopefully cleared up her characterization for more people here too, where, you know, she's been people frustrated with her rejecting jewels as attempts to reach out because she was hurt about jewels, not recognizing her and all that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but now we see here she calls herself a total piece of shit because like she's feeling really bad about that behavior now and now like she and jules finally had it out last episode and And then suddenly like that threat that jules will be taken away from her again is is dangling in front of her once more and surely is desperate to see her.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, no, it's just getting her back.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know how you feeling about Shirley.
[UNKNOWN]: Is her stock up or down this week?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my, Shirley stock has always been quite high with me.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's, it's steady at the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I do like the fact that even though Julia's memory is still a bit scrambled, like... Dinge.
[UNKNOWN]: Their relationship is on the mend.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I of course surely has no reason at this point, not to think that Sims is not also on team killed Juliette, but I have my suspicions because
[UNKNOWN]: I will come to the last section in just a moment that's about this, but you know when he said nurse Amy's always been loyal until now, I'm like until and including now, is that what we mean by until now here?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh boy, you see, I read that definitely, I think she's still as loyal, she's loyal
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and also like sims shut down the cameras in medical, maybe, is because certainly he would be able to.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got, I've got to say that that kind of does make sense because people are outraged about the cameras.
[UNKNOWN]: One of the places they're going to be like most upset about the things that was being filmed, is when you're in the hospital.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, this is you being filmed in very personal and compromising positions.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, but it's also a place where security is extra important and you want to be monitoring patients if something goes wrong, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess, so I guess it even does.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm, but for me, the final thing is that like he, this whole thing where he says her family is down below and that's where he'll find her.
[UNKNOWN]: But then why was he waiting exactly in that pump room where nurse Amy told Julia to go?
[UNKNOWN]: We'll come to that part.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but yeah, that is a bit, yes, that's the main thing for me that I'm like,
[UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not where she keeps her family.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure her family does not live in that pump room.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: My question though is if he is working against his wife here and he's like, oh, let me take care of it because he's going to not take care of it.
[UNKNOWN]: How is he going to explain his continued failure to her?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I was the one that was really down on the Sims's marriage, but after this episode, I was having second thoughts and you've really doubled down on it now.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I wasted it so down on the end, I still think they'll end on the same side, and I think...
[UNKNOWN]: They, I think they, they have the same ultimate goals, which is like the safety of the silo in most of all they're done within it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Or without it, apparently Camille has her my son's going to walk outside delusions for no reason.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so I think they have the ultimate goal.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: Camille proved in past seasons that she thinks sometimes achieving that goal means lying to her husband and he knows that now, so maybe he's thinking along the same lines.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right, let's say that this last related section here about Jewel's protector nurse Amy and her patient hide in a linen closet until a reader discovers it's locked and goes looking for a key, but Amy, who, quote unquote, basically grew up in medical, knows that there is an old vertical tunnel leading out of this closet.
[UNKNOWN]: How many people have been digging tunnels in this soil?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's been around for 350 years.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, this has made a long time ago by someone who no longer wanted the inconvenience of going all the way around to use the stairs.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm upset.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to 100% believe that.
[UNKNOWN]: I absolutely get it.
[UNKNOWN]: I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Finding themselves cornered again, Amy gives Julie at the oxygen canister and tells her to go to the pump room on 76.
[UNKNOWN]: Then Amy runs out to distract the raiders away from Julie at this gives Julie at the chance to make her way to this pump room where she finds Sims waiting for her asking her to listen to him.
[UNKNOWN]: Juliet runs out and just then surely, also arrives looking for jewels and she and Juliet run off together, leaving a frustrated Sims behind in a room with the handle broken off.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, this is where I was yelling after Nurse Amy.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: But where is Gloria?
[UNKNOWN]: What happened to Gloria?
[UNKNOWN]: Also, like presumably that injection was designed to kill Juliet or like that was
[UNKNOWN]: So how is Emerson like just not from conscious?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think, I mean, Norsame is the one who prepared it, so I just assume she prepared something to knock her out and not kill her.
[UNKNOWN]: But here's the question.
[UNKNOWN]: So Amy goes running out and she gets taken and she's like, you know, like, where's the mayor?
[UNKNOWN]: And she's like, what?
[UNKNOWN]: She's passed out in medical.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where I left her.
[UNKNOWN]: And so, sure, the camera's in medical or off, so she could get away with the lie and she's like, yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll show you where she was, where I sat last summer.
[UNKNOWN]: But then the question is, Emerson, when she wakes up, would presumably remember differently
[UNKNOWN]: Unless there was also some sort of like extra drug in there to prevent her from forming that memory from right before she was knocked out.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like a blackout when you drink alcohol or something.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's my because also like if someone, if someone's like, oh, did little nurse Amy take big, you know, agent out, people would be like, probably not, probably not because she really like went full spider monkey on her to get her down.
[UNKNOWN]: She really did.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, no, I mean, maybe small, but she is monkey.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I'm wondering, because then that's also the thing, like, would she be worried about being interrogated from judicial obviously she has this story and no camera.
[UNKNOWN]: She obviously knew that the cameras were out.
[UNKNOWN]: But also, if Sims is a judge, she could run interference on her behalf as well, which could be an agreement if he is the one whispering in her ear what to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But like I said, I still think it's, I still think it's, I still think it's Bernard.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I will say that the pump room where they met this time is not the same one where Bernard met Walker last season.
[UNKNOWN]: So this was 76.
[UNKNOWN]: That was 90, which is closer to Martha's neck of the woods.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was a bigger walk for Bernard.
[UNKNOWN]: Just pointing it out for, I don't know, just in case it becomes relevant, but it's not that does, if it were the same pump room, I would be more inclined to think that Bernard and Sims are involved in the same plot.
[UNKNOWN]: But now I'm wondering at this point how
[UNKNOWN]: This is that great line in blackout.
[UNKNOWN]: What spy on our own spy is he searches for this?
[UNKNOWN]: Why not?
[UNKNOWN]: Sounds rather fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, very, I mean, to be honest, it's very like noir plotting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: These factions against each other secretly working together, and knowingly or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and we learn one more very interesting piece of information here.
[UNKNOWN]: Nurse Amy swapped out Juliet's pills before she started spitting them out.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not necessarily that Juliet is specially resistant to them, but nurse Amy was giving her a chance to recover her memories before the pills kicked in.
[UNKNOWN]: And she just says someone asked me to replace them.
[UNKNOWN]: Who?
[UNKNOWN]: Look, we don't have time for that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, no, there's always time to say a name.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't be or less.
[UNKNOWN]: She got her head bash too when she didn't say this.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very much in the mold off.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's split up.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't split the pipe.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I saw people also questioning like why would nurse Amy still report to Camille that Julia was spitting out her pills and I say just to keep up appearances and not get caught, like, I think she knows about the cameras and the apartments and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So no reason for her not to continue to go along with that rules, but just give her different pills.
[UNKNOWN]: What just like placebo's?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe like actual vitamins.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that would be a better topic.
[UNKNOWN]: Alright, any thoughts on this part of the plot?
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think you've had the one with those.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to take a quick break and when we come back, we'll check in on Billings and the other goings on in silo 18 this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Be right back.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, Paul's not found.
[UNKNOWN]: Sheriff Billings, Chenazut Uche, has unfortunately found missing shadow to the head of supply or a locent, quail in Sepulveda.
[UNKNOWN]: She was in the mines, dead.
[UNKNOWN]: The morgue tech, Eandriusdale, tells him and deputy Molly Carrons, Angelio, that Orla died from a head wound a couple of days earlier and her clean lungs indicate that it happened before she was brought into the mines.
[UNKNOWN]: Billings, radios, deputy Murphy, asking him to pass on a message to Carla McLean if possible.
[UNKNOWN]: That's Hank, by the way, to meet him and supply so that he can tell her about Orla.
[UNKNOWN]: But when he gets down there, he instead finds Mike Davidson, Chris Fulton, the man with the dog who used to not only be Orla's ex-boyfriend, but also her shadow to the head of supply predecessor,
[UNKNOWN]: Glenda Harwood, Gemma Acosta, meanwhile, is operating head of supply with Carla and Orla, both MIA.
[UNKNOWN]: She finds Paul billing searching through the shadow to the head of supply office, and he questions her for calling it hers.
[UNKNOWN]: She admits she doesn't like that Orla took her job, but says that Mike Davidson is not Orla's boyfriend.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just a narcissist.
[UNKNOWN]: So, that's on.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Billings and this whole scene.
[UNKNOWN]: He does a very good Colombo impression.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought kind of, you know, I'm just asking questions.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't really know what's going on, but I know exactly what's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I still like, now I'm at the point where I'm like, it's Mike looking too suspicious now.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I know Billings, he does end with questioning Linda because of her, because she's like to be honest, she's like to be honest, like I didn't mind her taking the job because it gave me a chance to go home and see my dad and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, right, you're dad, they asshole, who's the head of mines.
[UNKNOWN]: Tell me more about the last time you saw Orla like he's questioning her, but the fact that she just outright admits that she was not an orla can't fan to me makes her seem less suspicious.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I'd like, I tend to go with sort of Auckland's Razor on this.
[UNKNOWN]: I think with so much else going on,
[UNKNOWN]: The last thing this series needs is another twisty turning mystery.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think my own tool somebody tells me otherwise, I think might be did it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what matters is that this is not the interesting part of this is not a hood on it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a white on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I like, because I think
[UNKNOWN]: I think allers heard sort of tracking back on this, these missing supplies might sort of link back in some way, I don't know yet, to the outsideers and what's going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm less concerned with who killed all of them, why she was killed.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I just think from a story point of view, I think another really twisty-turning mystery might just be like the one-jenga block too many.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a noir fan, so I disagree.
[UNKNOWN]: But, well, and that's also this is like, the why done it as far as the whole Tyler system.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that one, this, no idea.
[UNKNOWN]: All this is new, all this, or a lot of stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Although I'll say Abby and I decided, so we were reviewing the minds, and I remember like we've been talking about this character, Rave, who I said that Ed Harwood might have been, but I forgot there's actually also another character who was actually the head of minds and had a daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's a name was Haila, but I think,
[UNKNOWN]: that rave and this other guy, Bobby, I think his name have been merged together into one character like the same way like Knox and Mark have, or Shirley and Courtney, and that, yeah, they made the daughter, Glenda, and they're giving her more of a role.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: It's like they took the outlines of characters from the book and they're giving us this whole new plot with it, and I am very intrigued.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think it will tie into where I think this silo 18 plot is going this season, but this is all new and fun for me.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I want to know why they're taking stuff, but I also definitely want to know who, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, I want, like, I'm always suspicious of someone looks too suspicious, but Mike weird.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't give Billings his name when Billings gave his name.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, he didn't look too pleased that Billings knew who he was, is like, oh, I got your name from her sister, like, oh, yeah, Sheila, of course, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, Billings lies about finding Orla, but Mike doesn't even look remotely worried, but he says, and this is fair enough, Orla's more independent than people think family included.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that last part is fair enough, but if Mike didn't do it, like he's doing a very good impression somebody but did do it, yeah, yeah, I'm like somebody take this dog from this man and give the dog a better name than Dandy, he said the dog's name.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what he said the dog's name is Dandy.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and then this is also the question.
[UNKNOWN]: We, yeah, McLean hasn't been up here for months.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess that means she has been down with Martha, presumably, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Presumably.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I hope we don't worry about her.
[UNKNOWN]: But no, I don't, I'm assuming she hasn't been up here for months.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she's been down presumably with Martha, presumably with this alleged
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The hide binard project.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll get to that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I do.
[UNKNOWN]: So going back to the the mortician.
[UNKNOWN]: He said there was a full house of people who died from the rat poison.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, how many?
[UNKNOWN]: And again, we brought this up last week.
[UNKNOWN]: What is the reckoning going to be for Camille about this?
[UNKNOWN]: um, and is also noticeable that Orla was apparently struck by a length of rebar, which he could tell because of the ribbed pattern in the wound.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, is this a plot to frame surely do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: No, because Shirley is waiting for Rebar.
[UNKNOWN]: She keeps bringing every bar that they don't have it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: She's waiting for it for the stare repair.
[UNKNOWN]: So this, so I think this means that, you know, whoever took the Rebar from critical supply is the one who killed Orla, which would make sense, considering that's what exactly what Orla was investigating.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because Billings also confirmed, said the mines use Rebar and reinforcing the ceiling.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, well, they're usually used wood for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, apparently they use rebar.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I don't like the way they're painting it as potentially Lucas suspicious that he was hiding out in the minds or yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: What's going on in the minds?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because now I don't think it was Glenda.
[UNKNOWN]: But why would Mike have anything to do with that?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, like you said, it comes back to the why done it then.
[UNKNOWN]: Why?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but in Molly said, deputy Molly said that she or love was found in a closed off side tunnel.
[UNKNOWN]: She was never supposed to be found, which leaves me the question, like, what were they just planning to let her rot there?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that was going to be noticeable at some point, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh.
[UNKNOWN]: or they were hoping the rats would do something?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hoping the rats would do something, and also like given the number of disused tunnels?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I mean, there's a limited number of places you could stash your body in the side though, so... We just wanna like bury it in the farm at night, so or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe, but like... Or put it in the incinerator.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the foams.
[UNKNOWN]: And the foams, and the mind is the one place you're pretty much guaranteed that there won't be cameras because presumably like the atmosphere is too unpleasant for them to work wrong to them.
[UNKNOWN]: And they beat you dog.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so that mystery is up in the air.
[UNKNOWN]: But meanwhile, the insider meets the outsiders.
[UNKNOWN]: So, okay, name dump incoming.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry to the person who complained about that.
[UNKNOWN]: We had a two-star review about it by the way from the same person.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandy, Chippo Chung, has brought Patrick Kennedy, Rick Gomez, to meet with Lucas Avianash,
[UNKNOWN]: Lucas tells them that the lie is the lie.
[UNKNOWN]: The green display cleaners see when they go outside is the falsehood, and the desolate view they see from the cafeteria screens is the reality.
[UNKNOWN]: Patrick, not understanding the level of insider knowledge Lucas would have gained from becoming the shadow to the head of IT, assumes someone has, quote unquote, gotten to Lucas.
[UNKNOWN]: But Kathleen, the one who most held on to hope Lucas was still alive in the first place,
[UNKNOWN]: Once Lucas tells them that Juliet actually went looking for him in the minds and recognized him when he carried her out last episode, suddenly they're all listening.
[UNKNOWN]: As they're talking, Danny Bly will Merrick burst in with the news that the raiders are out and looking for someone.
[UNKNOWN]: He prevents a two-lacks Lucas from just walking straight out into all that mess, but all quickly fall silent when they hear judicial security knocking on doors nearby.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I'll just say I did a lot of talk in season one about whether or not I thought their explanation in the show for why people clean to which they said in the show is like, I don't know, to help them see this green that they think is real.
[UNKNOWN]: That as an explanation didn't really work for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to stick more with the explanation from the book excerpt that I read last episode.
[UNKNOWN]: which is basically that cleaning is only for people inclined to fall for that trap or else someone like Bernard just has the threat eliminated as he did with Book George.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, what did you think?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess we tease this already and we'll get into this more in a sec.
[UNKNOWN]: But I need thought so far on Lucas and the outsiders' fateful meeting, finally.
[UNKNOWN]: Lucas is very definitely run out of fucks to give, like his dear's fucks have gone on the vacation, like that this guy has been through some stuff and he just doesn't care, like the the whole like Patrick Kennedy's biggest luck look.
[UNKNOWN]: You're wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Can we just move on and you don't find Julia okay?
[UNKNOWN]: There's also with Danny when he's like, he comes in and he's like, there's raiders out there and Lucas is like, Oh, I got to go and Danny's like in front of the door and like, stay, stop it.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, it felt like he was scolding a little child and made me laugh.
[UNKNOWN]: I just love avi-nashes.
[UNKNOWN]: Woo, where are you?
[UNKNOWN]: Don't have time for this.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, do you have time to get arrested?
[UNKNOWN]: Because they're outside the door.
[UNKNOWN]: You just don't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, they don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: The raiders are looking for Juliet.
[UNKNOWN]: Amy at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Then we get to our last section.
[UNKNOWN]: The digger not so void.
[UNKNOWN]: where Shirley warns Juliet that they are trying to kill her and Shirley wants to get her down to mechanical.
[UNKNOWN]: Juliet wants to find Lucas.
[UNKNOWN]: Shirley seems skeptical of Juliet's claims to have seen him still alive, but finally relance and agrees to take Juliet down to show her that the
[UNKNOWN]: The pair get help crossing the gap in the stairs from construction worker Alcy, Michael Eunice, who agrees to stall anyone, even Raiders, who show up over the next half hour.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandy, who has been following Juliet all night, witnesses this and goes to tell the outsiders and Lucas that Jules is on the move.
[UNKNOWN]: When she tells them Juliets was Shirley, Lucas realizes they must be headed toward the same place Shirley wants to Kim.
[UNKNOWN]: The digger void.
[UNKNOWN]: He needs to stop her before she talks to the voice in the door, potentially making everything worse.
[UNKNOWN]: Patrick agrees to help smuggle Lucas down there.
[UNKNOWN]: When Juliet and Shirley get down there with a distant head start, Juliet takes a closer look at the place where the entrance used to be and discovers what is revealed to be a false wall.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, first off before we even get into this great use of the word canoodle and to that point for the use of the word canoodle.
[UNKNOWN]: I will not let Old Fashion Words die.
[UNKNOWN]: Helen would make fun of me.
[UNKNOWN]: She doesn't even like the word date.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, so Shirley still thinks Lucas is dead.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, it was interesting to see this reaction where Julia, like, she's questioning her own memories for a moment.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, no, but I did just see him.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, she still has such a hazy enough memory that Shirley's saying like, no, he's dead with that certainty.
[UNKNOWN]: She's like, did I really see, no, no, I'm pretty sure that's who I saw.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm pretty sure that's who that guy was.
[UNKNOWN]: Because of course, she remembered their cafeteria meetings previously before that, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And Julia, it's nice they got to have a little talk where she explained to Shirley about the medicine that she still gets feelings about people like that knocks lowkey pisses her off even if she can't remember why and she says was surely she feels like she'd kill anyone who harmed her and I feel like that's the best thing she could have said to Shirley like that's a violence of loyalty that Shirley can get behind.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, definitely.
[UNKNOWN]: That's definitely show that you love language.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would kill for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I've been asking for.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I wanted to know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a little worried about construction worker Aussie.
[UNKNOWN]: Will he wind up being questioned by someone?
[UNKNOWN]: Just you, my play.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the rate is all going to get there pretty quick.
[UNKNOWN]: You would think.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, and then we're left with a couple more questions at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, first of all, Danny says, Lucas won't like how Patrick Kennedy gets him down there.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we don't find out what the plan is.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm wondering, could it be the trash shoots?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Juliet showed them at the end of season one?
[UNKNOWN]: It could be the trash shoots, or they could be digging more tunnels.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh man, I guess maybe we could see it in action, but it's like let's not turn the silo into Swiss cheese.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's let's not do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's at least, you know, be thoughtful and our digging up to us.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I had the trust sheet makes more sense, actually.
[UNKNOWN]: And then also the other question is, as Juliet goes into the digger void and discovers Bernard, they hear someone showing up at the top, so Shirley runs back up to see who it is.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess it could be either Lucas and Cole already, although I expect not.
[UNKNOWN]: My guess is that it's Walker and Carla, but we'll see, or someone else, do you have any questions?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my guess isn't this Walker.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because of that.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, like, what to say to say the least, Walker and Bernard did not end in season two on good terms.
[UNKNOWN]: He basically basically blackmailed what he didn't basically anything.
[UNKNOWN]: He blackmailed her.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And yet, she seems to be all right with him.
[UNKNOWN]: with hiding him and keeping him alive.
[UNKNOWN]: And like I said, he must have needed medical attention.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's where nurse Amy comes in.
[UNKNOWN]: So, but nurse Amy was up top.
[UNKNOWN]: Why would Walker doesn't know her?
[UNKNOWN]: So, I think I think Bernard was looking for somebody he could trust.
[UNKNOWN]: You would go with her, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he would go with those like me.
[UNKNOWN]: He sent for her, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, we'll see.
[UNKNOWN]: But then it is like, okay, so here's the question is what role does Sims play on all this?
[UNKNOWN]: Because the story he told is that he, like he didn't tell the part where he seems to have suffocated Bernard, but apparently not successfully, we'll see what that's about.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think that was, I think that was like made up of whole cloth.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he ever tried to suffocate him.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, he didn't tell anyone that we just saw a glimpse of it as if that was a true through meal.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, he was sort of, he didn't say that.
[UNKNOWN]: That was something that revealed for our silence.
[UNKNOWN]: But he was talking to Camille and saying that, uh, that seems dead.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he told Julia, he was telling Julia that said dead.
[UNKNOWN]: He died from burns, but he told him.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the poison got in, he said.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but the whole thing when we saw him smothering him that was like a glimpse of truth it was framed as amongst the lies he was telling Juliette about that he died because the fire burned holes in his suit and the bad air got in.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a hard time believing that you could get from the top of the silo to the bottom without Robinson's knowing.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, so that's a thing, as we know he was carried down and they cleared out the silo so that people wouldn't be able to see it because he said because of the contamination risk, that was his explanation.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that he was burned allegedly, obviously not, but we also know that they had the furnace on for days burning people because of all the people
[UNKNOWN]: was he discovered down there still alive when when sims thought he was dead or did sims bring him down there knowing he was alive and if so why?
[UNKNOWN]: I think sims wants to know what's going on with the algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: What it is, where it's what it is, what it wants.
[UNKNOWN]: and why it wouldn't make him head of IT.
[UNKNOWN]: And the only person that can answer those questions is Bernard.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that's why Sims wants to keep him alive.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think he wants to he wants to, he wants to know what Bernard knows more generally, just to like keep
[UNKNOWN]: I mean yeah, to but now all of the Bernard's awake and obviously can speak presumably if Sims is in on this if.
[UNKNOWN]: then presumably he would know that by now and thus have had a chance to speak to him.
[UNKNOWN]: So what is if that's the case, what is his game now?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is he trying to, you know, talk to Julia?
[UNKNOWN]: What is he want to talk to her about in the pump room?
[UNKNOWN]: Because you know, presumably they want to they want to finish, you want to finish the conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: They were having in the, in the
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, but no, yeah, but I'm saying with a Sims one out of this at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it what Sims wants out this at this point is insurance.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he can't be certain that he knows everything that Bernard knows.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: And you think he thinks he can get more out of Julia.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all of them might be like Sims, Sims wants to, Sims doesn't take chances
[UNKNOWN]: and like he note like the only the only other person the only two people that I've had experience dealing with the algorithm are Bernard and Lucas and Lucas has an ad very much experience so I think as soon as wants to keep in my life as insurance like if this crazy computer voice thing tries to kill us how do we switch it off kind of
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean certainly, Bernard is a font of knowledge that presumably not even Camille has at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, um, because how long was Bernard need the head of IT or shout out to that OIT?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean a really long time before, because it was decades earlier that Judge Meadows was his shadow, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's quite possible that he has the most experience dealing with the algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: Not sure, not just to the people alive in the solar right now, but I'm saying all the heads of I. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say even in the books like we never, you know, we don't we can't check in on my 50 silos.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm saying all the heads of I.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and though at the full 352 years of soil, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Presumably Salvador Quinn, the head during the last rebellion, well, he's to collaborated to do the reset.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's the end, that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it is funny, if Sims is working with Bernard and the down deepers, it would be funny if he was meeting Juliet in that back room to be like, I got to get you down to see Bernard and then they're like, no, and run away and then they go down and see Bernard anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't think it's with the down daiths, it would just be with Walker and Anne.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, because Shirley and Knox clearly didn't know about this, yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, any more overall thoughts about this episode before we get into our piece of feedback.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, just one more thought on that thought, but the other person we could know about, this is down deep that really hadn't, we've seen suspiciously live love this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true and what that was who that was who Billings reached out to and said because I forgot yet they said his last name is a Murphy in the show, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and that yeah, so that's who Billings reached out to do like tell them a claim to come up here.
[UNKNOWN]: So Billings knows.
[UNKNOWN]: He's with her or she's down there, or probably I suppose the cover story is just that like she and Martha have rekindled things.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And she already said she wants to retire.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Fair.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be interesting to see how badly Benaud is actually hurt.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we taught Burns on his face, but yeah, we didn't be on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, good question, good question.
[UNKNOWN]: Like will he be ambulatory by the end of the series, the end of the season?
[UNKNOWN]: Do we think and will it matter?
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because presumably he's bedbound at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was the impression I got.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's awake.
[UNKNOWN]: He's definitely awake in cognizant.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's awake.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a weird word.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, compusmentist.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, see, see, this thing, I think I also think that he's the one giving instructions to do to know what I mean because he wants to have a conversation with Julia and he wants Julia to be able to remember what happened in order to have that conversation.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's see, let's see, episode five is going to be, cause it's was one that Graham Yoast the show runner had said, like he's like, oh, the end of the episode four into episode five, he said it's like a real turning for it for the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And so far, yeah, seems to be.
[UNKNOWN]: So I can't wait to see where this all leads in the next one.
[UNKNOWN]: But for now, now opening the listener feedback channel.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I'm not we're not going to do we're only going to do one piece of feedback right now to be honest I am already collecting for the next male bag which I said previously we will do after episode six so do keep sending in your thoughts do will shift dust podcast at gmail.com you'll find that linked in the show notes and do also check in on the discord where we have a lively theorizing going on with discussions per episode.
[UNKNOWN]: less a book spoiler discussion which is hoppin with a lot of book reader theories right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, please join in on that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I happen to get a voicemail actually just a couple of hours ago that I gave it a listen.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, you know what this feels very relevant to especially what's happening right now in the show.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: Let's listen to, friend of the pod, listus, voicemail, and his thoughts about it's actually mostly responding to our discussion in the last mail bag, but very relevant to all of the pod right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello, Alicia and Luke.
[UNKNOWN]: So I've listened to the recent mail bag episode, and you guys were talking
[UNKNOWN]: by given the D plus, which I wonder if they're going to get the doctor who stuff or not, I don't know, uh, Dr. Who stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: So given the D plus, that's doesn't plus get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Given the D plus, it's the memory slowly decay, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So you may not remember what you had for breakfast yesterday or three days ago, but if someone comes along and tells you, you had scrambled eggs and
[UNKNOWN]: And so then that also translates into the big stuff, too, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So if you don't remember that Mayor John's is your mayor and then you go, oh, who's the mayor?
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody comes along and says, that's the mayor, you'll be like, yes, of course, Mayor John says the mayor.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no reason to doubt that because everything around me has been told.
[UNKNOWN]: It's being told to me that I am, that that is my that is my mayor.
[UNKNOWN]: So I believe this stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: What's interesting to me is when you put that up against fascism, it starts to sound very similar.
[UNKNOWN]: So if an loop correct me if I've gotten this definition wrong, and I apologize if I do.
[UNKNOWN]: What I find interesting is if you live in sort of a police state.
[UNKNOWN]: If you live in where things are controlled by the media, the information that you are being told is being filtered through someone else, not necessarily the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: That starts to become very believable.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you may not remember why you were in the silo.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't remember that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's bad outside.
[UNKNOWN]: You'll go, yeah, it's bad outside.
[UNKNOWN]: And that makes a lot of sense to me.
[UNKNOWN]: So that I think that's how the the drugs work, the memory of forget drugs work in conjunction with some, we'll say positive reinforcement, but positive is a really thin word for what's going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's the best psychology turn you would use because you're adding something.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's how they keep control.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I don't, I would like to think that people would naturally do what's right and tell the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think in the silo they can, because if they did, then why would we have the silo?
[UNKNOWN]: Right?
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that there's, I think that there's an unfairious thing going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, it is obviously aliens, of course it's aliens.
[UNKNOWN]: Why could it not be anything other than aliens, except that humans are by far worse than aliens, as good science fiction tells us.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's my, there's my tinfoil hat for you there, Luke.
[UNKNOWN]: I really appreciate what you guys do, and I love listening to you and listening to your theories and
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel Donald, my personal opinion on this is...
[UNKNOWN]: People react in different ways to different stimulus.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he is one of those I'm going to be very angry, but I'm going to keep it all in and we see that by him going and even talking to Hector Steve and trying to figure out what's going on there and then going back and be like, no, I've been exposed all this.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's how he's going to fight the power.
[UNKNOWN]: But I could, I understand why Lucas is suggesting that he gets really upset, but I think he holds it in because I think that's what he's been told to do for so long.
[UNKNOWN]: He's holding things in.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a public facing person.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got to hold it in and fight the power of some other way.
[UNKNOWN]: But we'll see how that goes because, you know, that went well for them because they were able to get back a set of tape.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wait.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, last thoughts, really appreciate you guys, and thanks for all you do.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, thank you, this do.
[UNKNOWN]: Luke, that's...
[UNKNOWN]: I would definitely say that yes, the the SILO is a police state.
[UNKNOWN]: It's definitely set up to be one.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what Steve was describing there is exactly what Victor was saying to Daniel in episode one of series three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I do have questions about how you do that for 10,000 people at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I think it's easier because you kind of set that up already.
[UNKNOWN]: You said, well, it'll be harder to re insert memories for 10,000 people at the same time, which is like, yeah, that's absolutely true.
[UNKNOWN]: Unless it's something like, this is your mare.
[UNKNOWN]: This is always been your mare, and you have no reason not to be like, yeah, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, I'm not going to retake all business with Daniels.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you said your stocks has gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he has.
[UNKNOWN]: He has.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, I I want to read like I have about, but I just thought that was a slightly, it wasn't a big deal, but it was just a slightly cleaner in the writing for me.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the right angle.
[UNKNOWN]: It's you.
[UNKNOWN]: Daniel's just being Daniel.
[UNKNOWN]: We are just going to have to agree to the degree of the spot.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, no, I, I have to say I completely agree with everything that's do said.
[UNKNOWN]: And I find it interesting that he, he was like, Oh, maybe positive is the wrong word at that one point.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and actually, I don't think he realizes that he was correctly using the word.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't remember, did Nicole say this in her recent voice mail, but certainly she would say the professor of psychology who left a voice mail during the feedback for anyone who didn't hear that.
[UNKNOWN]: But what she would say for sure is that, yeah, I guess she did in her voice mail.
[UNKNOWN]: That it's the, it's positive because you are reintroducing.
[UNKNOWN]: these ideas, you know, like you're adding, it's additive where you're saying you're implanting memories by saying, you don't remember things, well, actually this is what you don't remember and it is true that most people in that situation would, if you have no reason not to distrust this information, then you will just accept it and internalize it and it will
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it was an excellent email list.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: Or a voicemail even.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, thanks to you and we appreciate all the feedback we get.
[UNKNOWN]: So if anybody wants to send in email was voicemails and anything on the discord, please get in touch because we're building a nice little community.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, that's I think that's what makes it the most fun for us is is watching this and and discussing this with all of you.
[UNKNOWN]: At least you will confirm that so I have been a bit I'm still a bit of a loco, but I have been more active on the discol.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.
[UNKNOWN]: True story.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you want to join that discord you'll find the link in the show notes with the invite to it's the Laura Hound's discord but there is currently under currants.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're listening to this later it'll be under shows and worlds.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a forum for silo with chats per episode plus a separate book chat for the book readers.
[UNKNOWN]: We will of course continue our full weekly coverage here, including the weekly episodes in the sub-scriber feeds as well.
[UNKNOWN]: We want to hear your thoughts and theories for both as Luke said.
[UNKNOWN]: Send them to worship dustpodcast at gmail.com, leave them in the discord, do your thing,
[UNKNOWN]: and as far as these extra episodes that you will find in the book club, a an extra feed through supercast and or Patreon, it's basically the same thing right now the silos in level on supercast is the same as the Patreon feed I'm working on, uh, expanding the Patreon offerings also because I'm also, by the way, I'm
[UNKNOWN]: matted supercast right now to anyone who got an email about the supercast season pass glitch.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw your responses.
[UNKNOWN]: I am going back to them again to try to figure out what's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: So stay tuned for that.
[UNKNOWN]: But thank you so much to those of you who have
[UNKNOWN]: signed up for either the season pass option which is where you can just get the extra episodes for this season or for combinations of the prior seasons or all three seasons including our book breakdowns that Abby and I do and yeah so you'll you'll find yeah there's
[UNKNOWN]: If you just want to one time fee option, then that's what the season passes are.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to do the monthly subscription, then you get all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Plus, you get our other extras like Luke and I is holiday specials and other extra dives into how we stories and do stories and things like that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm at.
[UNKNOWN]: Before anybody's wondering, yes, we have both seen the
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it will be on, it will be on, it will be part of the 2020 subscription special when it will help.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it will help us.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm excited for it.
[UNKNOWN]: And people are like, it's a prequel.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, listen, you know how many Christmas carols we've watched?
[UNKNOWN]: Give us something new.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not even the prequel.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, thank you to our new stylisms that have joined since my last shout out.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Laura D. Clayby, Jenny R. Kevin B.
[UNKNOWN]: Pandemonium, Anapee, and Marisi, and welcome back returnies from prior seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: And Luke, where can everyone find you?
[UNKNOWN]: They want more Luke, Miss.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and we, I also record a podcast with two friends from university, Simon Alvin and Will Kooling.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't record anything like as regularly as Walsh if does.
[UNKNOWN]: We record about once a month, but Will has children and Simon has a social life.
[UNKNOWN]: I have neither, but you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so we, we, we record, we record a bit like that about months and months, we talk all things British politics into national politics, cultures, sport, whatever happens to take a fancy basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yes, so you'll find that link to the show notes as well as well as Luke's blue sky and I'm yeah, you can find me most on discord blue sky and I'm trying to dip my toe back into threads a bit more so I have that link to in the show notes as well.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm at least like posting our episodes there now and occasionally waiting in, but it's it's a big pool of people.
[UNKNOWN]: I like blue skies in my happy place when it comes to that stuff to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: Um,
[UNKNOWN]: And, of course, you can find me on the Lorhound's feed where there is currently, we just wrapped up our weekly the Vampire Listat coverage and actually like a day or so after this episode comes out, there will be a finale, the Vampire Listat wrap-up.
[UNKNOWN]: So we already did the finale episode, but we're doing an extra wrap-up where we had Mark from Nevermind the Music.
[UNKNOWN]: who came to discuss the music of this very musical season of television.
[UNKNOWN]: So we had a lot of fun with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Watch out for that.
[UNKNOWN]: There's also in the Laura Hound's feed house of the dragon weekly coverage with David and Jean.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's going to be a super girl episode to coincide with the digital release this coming week.
[UNKNOWN]: And Odyssey film coverage shortly after that led by John.
[UNKNOWN]: And check out GoToTheLoreHounds.com linked in the show notes you'll find all of those episodes plus the episodes for our affiliates.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I mentioned Mark from Nevermind the Music and also I mentioned Nicole the Professor of Psychology.
[UNKNOWN]: They have a Music and Psychology podcast together.
[UNKNOWN]: very regular weekly releases lots of fun.
[UNKNOWN]: We have new to the network, dungeons, and do rags.
[UNKNOWN]: They're also doing weekly coverage of House of the Dragon and a more barbershop style, where there's like one-and-a-half of them who know the lore and then they're like bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, wait, who is that?
[UNKNOWN]: And why should we care about her new ratchet haircut?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's sort of
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, and, and check out my own The Star Wars canon timeline podcast you'll find there as well and coming up end of this month a new feed from John and the radioactive rambling guys Cosmere corner.
[UNKNOWN]: So all the Brandon Sanderson stuff of your dreams.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to catch up.
[UNKNOWN]: Was it John that did the coverage of the pit?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, John David.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I am, because this is the thing, I can't watch that week by week.
[UNKNOWN]: I deliberately waited for the entire season to finish.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, because I am not waiting to see with, I'm not waiting an entire week to see whether that patient dies or not.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm just not doing that.
[UNKNOWN]: So I need to catch up on those.
[UNKNOWN]: I still haven't watched the pit, but when I do, I'm definitely going to listen to their coverage.
[UNKNOWN]: They were, yeah, they, they were first, they're like, oh, we're, we'll just like, see about checking in.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we're doing weekly, no, we're doing weekly, deep diers.
[UNKNOWN]: It is one of those shows that is every bit as good as people say it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe you, and I will get around to it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just so much.
[UNKNOWN]: Any final thoughts?
[UNKNOWN]: Nope, you once again, you have, and you keep all the silo thoughts out of my head.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so with the scoop.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, that's another Vampireless.reference.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, if you're looking for me before next week, you'll find me having a little chat with a little door in a big dark basement.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.
[UNKNOWN]: I should have said, you'll find me considering Henry's latest offer to improve my life.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.