[SPEAKER_02]: Jol Kim Booster is making his grand return to that's a gay ass podcast after doing the show in June of 2021, which was the like fifth month of this podcast.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now it's more than five years in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jol, last time you did this podcast, you said you had just met a boy in part of Iardau who had become your PV boyfriend.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were about to go to SFPry to see him and you said quote,
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fully prepared to get my ass kicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: What ended up happening with him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we just got married about six months ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: And don't get into it for the best.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will have to say though that podcast that I did with you was one of many that he had friends who listened to it who ratted me out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because for him, I was giving him all this lip service of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I'm coming to that surprise to see my friends like it would be great to see you while I'm there and then meanwhile I'm going on your podcast being like, I'm fully in love with his man And I've tricked him into thinking that I'm coming to San Francisco to see my friends with an ostensibly I love sensibly there to see my friends, but I'm there to see him and of course all his friends were added him me out And he didn't say anything he let it slide for a long time and then
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of once we were deep into the relationship revealed that he knew everything because apparently this podcast is for public consumption.
[SPEAKER_02]: Allegedly people outside of you and I listen to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that it is a really good move that J.M.
[SPEAKER_02]: buried that lead for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that was like a very emotionally intelligent move of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also read the New York Times a piece on your wedding and mention how many podcasts you've had gone on and talked about.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm truly honored to be one of the podcasts that you sort of love bombed your you exactly that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was a lot of the it was covert love.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had no idea until he did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I had to pretty cool off podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the secret I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll, and look at you now, married and gay as husband.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, obviously we're going to be getting into the wedding, the marriage, once we begin to sub-stack, I'll ask you really in face of questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I want to ask you a gay, asternalist question.
[SPEAKER_02]: Since I had you on the podcast five years ago, what would you say outside of getting married?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is the biggest thing that has changed for you?
[SPEAKER_02]: For me, I've gained about 20 or 25 pounds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I'll stop it and being married, um, I guess like
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest, I guess the biggest thing that's changed for me is, it's Fire Island.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, it's now four or four years beyond that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still sort of running off of the fumes, every pride from the Goodwill that that movie engenders.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to get my second movie made right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully that's happening soon and working on a lot of other stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that movie really sort of opened a lot of doors for me and solidified me in a lot of ways as a writer, creator, and not just a stand-up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it I think it radically changed I think a lot of the ways in which people view me and you know what I'm capable of and what I'm not capable of I think for a while I was just that stand up comedian who would have been talked about common farts and I was able to at least show a slightly different side myself and I think that
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, it is TikTok becoming farther and farther away from that moment when that movie was released, but I'm still able to, you know, ride those fumes on into my next gig, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's going to say it's not like you've done nothing since then.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've been a part of so many amazing things.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you a huge miles of top on loot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let me give you a mosa-talk on the two prime-tem eminominations that fire island garnered you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we talk about your amazing podcast intimacy coordinator, which just had a time-square billboard shout out.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think though the fire island of it all,
[SPEAKER_02]: It is so cool to see someone like you break through dare I call it the common fart ceiling of sort of gay comedian turn into really legitimate creator writer, producer, star.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think that you've inspired a lot of people and it's definitely I'm one of them.
[SPEAKER_02]: And fact, I want to get into something kind of deep since we are talking about the reality of being a gay creator and comedian.
[SPEAKER_02]: You talked about on the podcast to me, something that I've never stopped thinking about, which is, I asked you, how do you break free of like the expectations or feelings of your family when it comes to putting out work?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was very worried when I first put this podcast out about what my family would think, because I'm talking about common, whatever the fuck over here, and you said to me that you really did not
[SPEAKER_02]: allow yourself to consider disappointing your family because you just didn't think they were watching it and you sort of did your work in a way of not worrying about their thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would you say is something that us gaze, us queers can do to start accepting ourselves without waiting for our nuclear families to understand our gay lives?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think a big part of it for me was really coming to understand what I could reasonably expect from my family in terms of emotional support.
[SPEAKER_01]: I realized the long time ago that I was never going to receive certain things from my family, certain needs, emotionally and otherwise we're never going to be met.
[SPEAKER_01]: by my family.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't mean that they love me any less than I love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just when you adjust your expectations and stop expecting certain things from them, then you're free a little bit from chasing something that you'll never achieve.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, that was really freeing because
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it happened quite early for me like I figured out pretty early that my family wasn't going to be loving or Vibing with any of the things that I was interested in doing artistically and I think like there was resentment at first I think there's always going to be resentment at first of like, oh, I can't they just support me like other parents and it's just you know my parents aren't other parents and I think like trying to compare them to some of the more supportive
[SPEAKER_01]: parents that I've witnessed my friends who are very involved in their work.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not who they are, and you know, there's, you can mourn that, you can be, you know, you sort of shake your fist at the sky and demand and try to fix change that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for me, I was really about just sort of understanding where they were, and they loved me.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we close the, we bridge the gap about as far as we were going to bridge it at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, there are just certain things they don't expect from my family anymore and I'm happy or for it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, very, very good advice.
[SPEAKER_02]: I am went through something similar where it wasn't that my family wasn't supportive.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was actually I was setting up an impossible bar of I need my family to understand everything about me in order for that love to be like real or true and of course because I now live in LA.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to reference what mushrooms.
[SPEAKER_02]: which is when I did a hero dosage, and during the mushroom trip, I started, of course, weeping, and the phrase came into my mind meet them where they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can, of course, grieve the reality of whatever the situation is, but also you cannot set an impossible bar and then constantly disappoint yourself.
[SPEAKER_02]: If
[SPEAKER_02]: There's an understanding that will never happen, which again does not mean they love us any less.
[SPEAKER_02]: But since we're getting into your lore a little bit, I'm going to ask you a podcast question that is a different podcast question from whose fault is it that you're gay since you answered that in 2021.
[SPEAKER_02]: The question for your second appearance is Joel Kim Booster.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was your first gay?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a class made?
[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody on the television, maybe even somebody who worked at the neighborhood quiz knows.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who was your first?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would have to say it was my, uh, quote unquote, Aunt Tam.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was a lesbian that was not blood related to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: She went, she was in the military with my uncle who knocked her up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I'm not exactly sure, unfortunately, on the logistics of what she
[SPEAKER_01]: By then, was she out then, was she drunk then, like, what she, the implication that I've received from my family is that she really wanted a baby and sort of just did the thing in order to get the baby, and then she at one point moved in with us when she was down her luck with my fake cousin who was her daughter, but you know, for us, there were so
[SPEAKER_01]: extended family members and people that weren't blood related to us that we just considered we called aunt or uncle and um as far as I was concerned growing up she was my aunt but yeah I didn't realize that the time they never told us like oh Tammy is a lesbian but at one point I remember well first of all I would spend hours watching her play Laura Croft Tomb Raider on her computer
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's not sign enough, um, she also at one point I was like snooping in her room and found an entire box of playboy magazines, um, and penthouse magazines, um, and, um, immediately told my mom, I don't think I would have told my parents if they were meant by the way, I think I was like, get these naked ladies out of my house, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt, I feel really bad in hindsight because I mean, this woman just wanted to trick off in peace and here's this eight-year-old like rummaging around in her stuff, was she, you know, she'd taken over our family room, so I felt I think beholden to anything that was in there still, but I was just curious little boy, and I knew she had comic books, she had given me some early comic books, and I think I was just searching for more comic books, and I found this thing quite different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think we can forgive the eight-year-old Joel Kimbooster who outed your lads being non-ammed.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very, it's very social-run in an atonement.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I didn't know what I didn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was too young to understand the repercussions.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Tam still lived with us for a year or two after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was just like, you know, hide your porn better.
[SPEAKER_02]: was did the conceiving of your cousin happened while they were serving our country or was it post okay so that I mean that's like misguided on to the lesbian who once a baby so bad while she's serving
[SPEAKER_02]: this United States of America.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's really incredible.
[SPEAKER_02]: Usually the first gay is like, oh, yeah, there was like my theater teacher, but no, you had a literal lesbian and I think you've always been destined for greatness to a combustor.
[SPEAKER_02]: That story is absolutely delicious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, since we only have some time before we cross over to Substack, I want to make sure
[SPEAKER_02]: to get into the marriage of it all.
[SPEAKER_02]: You and your husband, Jam, are super, super hot, and I just want to again congratulate you on finding such amazing love.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to take away from that, but I'm also a realist who is also gay married.
[SPEAKER_02]: So let's get into the real questions.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is one thing about your husband that actually annoys you, that you did not expect it to?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think that he is keynaps a lot a lot more than I do and he, um, and it's just one of those things that like I've never been a rapper.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I find it very difficult to nap.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't sleep for 20 minutes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm either in bed or like, getting, you know, my three or four hours and then, or, um, I'm up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's,
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard because it doesn't like annoy me, but like there are moments throughout the day where I am sort of like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I did, I just marvel at his ability to sleep throughout the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whitney, but, and let's be clear, he has a job, you know, he has, he works from home.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has meant like breaks between meetings, etc.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's getting a shit done.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's helping me around the house.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm somebody who before before 6 p.m. and between 10 and 6 basically, I have to be working on something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to either be doing something.
[SPEAKER_01]: professional like bit work wise or around the house.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're working on a project.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just cannot be like static in the day and he's much more of a relaxed person where he's sort of like, you know, let's take a second like we don't have to clean the kitchen right this minute for what reason there's no one coming over.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not playing a cooking tonight like it can wait an hour.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in my head, I'm like, no, this was something to do with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to do it now before I can't move on to the next item.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like to do this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you say you're running from something by the people that seem to be constantly touched on?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that there is a restlessness that comes with, I think my standard for like,
[SPEAKER_01]: What I get accomplished in a day is a little bit different than other people's because I think in part that's you know for the last 10 years I've been without a day job everything that I do work wise unless I'm on set is self-structured like I have to wait up And I have to make sure that I plan up my day and the work that I'm going to do and you know what I can get accomplished and so I get very stressed out very easily when I'm just like sitting
[SPEAKER_01]: on the couch, you know, like that rest at any point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll say that being married to him has chilled me out a little bit, like I think we've both met each other a little bit in the middle, like he's definitely more aware of like what he needs to do to contribute and I'm definitely less
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, for us, like, it is just like a big difference in sort of, sort of neurodivergencies.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's very much ADHD and I've had to learn a lot of different ways of handling things and learning to not look at things from my perspective, because for me, like, if I see
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, um, that he's like, you're not doing something that he should be that I've asked him to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you know, I first I think there was an, uh, an idea that like, oh, he's being lazy, but it is much more like I've learned how to like, I just need to communicate to him something different.
[SPEAKER_01]: So instead of being like, hey, please go do the dishes.
[SPEAKER_01]: What I do now is, hey,
[SPEAKER_01]: Before you do the next game that you're playing on whatever game he's playing will you do the dishes and and like giving him a time frame like that and giving him sort of an objective But that is like tied into not tied into like
[SPEAKER_01]: sort of nebulous timeframes of like oh do I do it now do I do it later he just gets distracted really easily and he you know I I think like he's had to live with me for the last five years learning how to handle bipolar mood swings and I've lived with him for the last five years trying to figure out how to you know work with someone who's brain works completely differently than mine when it comes to work and
[SPEAKER_02]: this is sort of weird to hear you say all of this because and I really hope my husband is watching or listening because we mirror a lot of what you just said.
[SPEAKER_02]: He rolls his eyes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, he rolls his eyes when I say I ADHD because I haven't been formally diagnosed but I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do and our couple therapists who I've seen individually sometimes too.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says I'm neurodivergent and he is a smart gay guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so I have absolutely had to have been asked a few times to do the dishes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two hours ago I did take a 20 minute nap and Matt has had to learn.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think how to like.
[SPEAKER_02]: We both had to learn how to like ask each other to do things either around the house and for to not get into a fight because it's like not kind of from a place of like, oh, you're can you do this instead of not doing it and being a worthless piece of shit who's not doing it on purpose to make me mad instead of like that being the question is more like instead of, you know, before you play the game,
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a really smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's a really smart and I think we can all learn from that and I hope Matt again you understand that I'm not not doing the dishes because I don't want to it's because I don't know how
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and he and I have gotten really good at sort of negotiating, like, how much does he want me to get on him about certain stuff and how does he want me to communicate this stuff to him and like, where's the line?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, there's a couple of things like, hey, I just have a much higher threshold for how I want things done and when I want them done and how, you know, and so I part of it has had to be like, for me, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, like his standard of like how the house can look in order for him to feel comfortable in it is lightly lower than mine and yes, he's like sort of doing the best you can to like come meet me up here, but at the same time that's not always fair like if I like if the
[SPEAKER_01]: if the kitchen is clean by and large but like I want to deep clean it that doesn't that's sort of on me that's not right and I've had to learn a little bit of adjustment around that and I think that he's had to like we both had to figure out like
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I, I, I always am worried that he's going to see me as a nag and he's always sort of like, no, I actually need you to, you know, make me that to do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we have a, a little bored on our fridge now and instead of saying do these things, X, Y, Z, I say like before Friday, please do this before Ramadan.
[SPEAKER_01]: and giving him a deadline like that, that's achievable and sort of foreign in the future.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's so much easier for him than just looking at a list and saying like, oh, I have to get all these done and helping him sort of structure when he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then I think has been a really big help for us.
[SPEAKER_02]: And look at this gorgeous coupling of neuro-typical and neuro-typical and neuro-typical kinds of things together and keeping it gorgeous home.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of my journalistic questions that I think is the most important is I found that your husband did the drowsy shop around at one point.
[SPEAKER_02]: is that true research yes he did yes he did at USC on he did jazzy chaffron it was the first probably show he ever saw it's a show that changed my life I interviewed Beth level the drossie chaffron on this for a podcast and I got to show her a photo that I took with her at the stage store at 17 years old at my first probably show do you know who J.M.
[SPEAKER_02]: played
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like a reporter or slash ensemble.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was his freshman year, I believe, so it wasn't like a big part.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's funny, the guy who played the man in the chair for him was on survivor two seasons ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a jump scare for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the woman who played,
[SPEAKER_01]: Was it Janet?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the Janet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Janet?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Janet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Vanagraph.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe is now Christine and Fanta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or was Christine and Fanta for a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, and now he's married to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, big things came for the people in that production.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would say every cast member really sort of went on to booking big rolls or holes or poles.
[SPEAKER_02]: When we do talk about theater, I think it's also important to get into Mateo Lane just did Chicago on Broadway and you.
[SPEAKER_02]: study musical theater at Milliken.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think a bunch of people I know actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm from everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very small world.
[SPEAKER_02]: Since you saute a lane on Broadway in Chicago, I want to ask if Joel Kim Booster would ever consider doing a musical on Broadway.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, the goal has always been to get famous enough doing other shit so I can get stunt cast in the musical.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that's the same forward.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm never going to get there on talent alone, but I think that if I were, you know, a big enough star would be interesting to cast me in some, you know, bit part on Broadway.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be the bullet in Hamilton for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I can see
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you prefer a revival?
[SPEAKER_02]: Would you prefer a brand new musical or a current running like a Chicago moment?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'd want to do, gosh, it really depends on the part, you know, like I think I would actually love to play Amos in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I could do that more so than Billy, especially watching the town where he has to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Amos is a more attainable goal for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, my dream has always been to be in a little shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope that that production of little shot runs forever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that, oh my god, my time will be up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I, what, that was the last musical I did in high school was I was seen more in the little shot before, and Shay Kulei famously was my Audrey too, and so, you know, and it says I don't know if you remember, but briefly last a year ago, January, Shay and I, Alex Null were all going
[SPEAKER_01]: a sit-down production of Little Shop, a staged reading of Little Shop, and it was going to be amazing, and I was going to be a Seymour, and Shakeulei was going to be Audrey too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex was going to be Audrey.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had some amazing Zevan, who just directed,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I remember what happened, the LA fires, uh, sort of put an end to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just one of those things where, of course, we, we still want to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the next time that Shay and I schedules and availabilitys will line up is who knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, TBD, but hopefully we get to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not someday to online.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, I'd also love to be an o-married.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, again, similar, the little shop is going to be a show that will run forever and ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's some exciting casting news coming around the bet and not about me, but about a few people that I'm very close to who I think the world is going to gag when they see this announcement.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so Joel, what a great, what a great little tease.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're now my brain is sort of going into like, I'll tell you I know you're not recording.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, okay, agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sign sealed, delivered, and to all the people listening, drop in the comments.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who do we think Joel is vague posting about?
[SPEAKER_02]: There aren't, there's already been, there's already been gags, every time they announce a new,
[SPEAKER_02]: I trust.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I just did name that tune, which is famously hosted by J. J. Grickowski, and weirdly films in Ireland.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, tack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great to see you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was, she's lovely.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was talking to her about Omeri.
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to see her in Omeri when she was in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were chatting about that experience.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, Joel, it's just like, I don't know a single woman who's done that park who wants to leave.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it is like, it's just such a high demand.
[SPEAKER_01]: thing right now everybody wants to go in and in rural ride that ride for a couple of weeks and then go visit that being so fucking cool yeah no and and and call no one deserves it more than call I've known call for over a decade I've seen so many different iterations of what they do and what they've accomplished and what they've tried to accomplish and this is just the perfect
[SPEAKER_01]: piece of theater.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that the what's so special about it is that it's the gift that keeps on giving.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that Janker Cowsky herself can say no one wants to leave the role.
[SPEAKER_02]: How many of these like I like I know the word icon is over use these days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like actual iconic actors performers who will who want to do a role that Cole has written who also Cole got to perform it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's just it's so perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: The brilliance of cold script, too, is that it is such a great platform for anyone to do well.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, as specific as cold writing is, there's still so much room for these women and men and everyone in between to sort of make it their own.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's still a lot of space to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, I don't know, I've seen a couple of Mary's now and none of them have been the same, you know, even though they're saying the same lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a fun, I think the combinations are endless and I am really excited to see what they have in store for us next.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm too, and I am friends with the gorgeous casting director Henry Russell Bergstein.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I'm so sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to shout out Henry.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have to shout out Henry had gone to New York.
[SPEAKER_02]: So do the auditions for Oh, Mary, he had come back.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he told me that my college friend Hannah Solo had booked Coles under study.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she's continued to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's actually about to do this podcast soon.
[SPEAKER_02]: So everybody will go.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is, I just, yeah, it's just so cool to see people that like, Cole and like Hannah and like Henry, who like, we've known for years, just continuing to like, and you continue to do things in the industry that are shown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shout out to Hannah too, because what, it's just really scary job.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, every understudy who's understudying a star knows the feeling and devastating.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hannah, you know, I've seen her and I've known people who've seen her and you have, you're starting at a deficit.
[SPEAKER_01]: because everyone's going to be a little bit crestfallen that they're not seeing Jankr Kowsky or Janks or whoever the fuck they came.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Staltor just got super sick and she just had to do the same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and the thing is is like, no one walks away from seeing Hannah disappointed.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they're like, oh, I, you know, um, I guess I have to come back now to see whoever whoever, but no one leaves being like, oh, that's sucked because I got the understudy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think Hannah is like one of the most pleasant surprises that people and audiences who get to see her, um, well, we'll get watching an understudy on Broadway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, I even got chills when you just said that because I when I was I was we were freshmen That freshmen's we were freshmen's is at NYU and I was like newly out and she was just as like character Actress who all the professors would have her you know do the old lady roles and and and now here She is Fucking killing it in this starring role on Broadway
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's great too because you, you know, a lot of actresses who are, you know, so talented like Hannah, I do think it's that thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have to wait a lot longer than local news to age into their type, you know, to start getting these juicy roles.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so glad Hannah didn't have to wait that long to find something to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: completely agree, and then things very well said.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's do a few quick fire questions before we cross over to the sub-stackside simply because we're talking about creative journeys and careers and we've touched on Fire Island.
[SPEAKER_02]: As Fire Island was as like massive breakthrough for you, what would you say is the biggest misconception that people have about what happens after
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say that like, people, I think a lot of, you know, artists and entertainment entertainers and people who work in this industry will understand this acutely, but I think that a lot of people probably think there's a sense of satisfaction or completeness that comes with accomplishing something that you've drawn to about your entire life.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's sort of like you've crossed the finish line and now you can take a breather and that is not been that's not how I felt after Fire Island and that is you know it's it's you know how can I use this momentum to get on to the next thing and then the unbelievable stress that comes when the next thing doesn't immediately happen and you don't you aren't able to immediately see the fruits necessarily of the success of whatever project you're just coming off of and there is no like
[SPEAKER_01]: I barely gave myself time to enjoy the release of Fire Island because I had already moved the cold posts and was focused on getting the second movie made and I think that you know there's a lot of I think a lot of people think that like I'm satisfied with just that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, whatever notoriety came from that and certainly people think I have a much bigger ego about it than I think I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's just, there is no satisfaction and I wonder quite honestly what I'd have to achieve or what bar I'd have to clear for that to come.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it's I feel like every time I talk to you, it I learn important lessons and I hope I aspire to have a breakthrough moment like that and I'm absolutely going to probably feel the exact same way the goal post because I felt it in little ways already.
[SPEAKER_02]: Another question that I have that I think is very important is your Instagram bio has set for a long time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I regret being horny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Same more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, no, I mean, is never or rarely ever brought anything good into my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like, I think that it is such a distraction.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm constantly, you know, my, you know, my, you know, my bit is that, um, on any given weekend night, especially when I'm on the road in a hotel room, it's late.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's after this show and I could either jerk off immediately and go to bed satisfied and and happy or I could scroll grinder for four hours and, uh, jerk off angrily at the end
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm frustration and my theory is, is it's always good get the poison out immediately as soon as you check into that hotel get the poison out and you'll be free Because being horny has only led to You know a momentary momentary euphoria and then usually a much longer period of a strife in drama and and complication
[SPEAKER_02]: Or if you're me, it gives you a strap throw once a month, three months in a row.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have to go to an ENT and then find the ENT was bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then get strap throw it again and then go to a new ENT and then she is a lesbian thing God and then you schedule your time select to me and then you have to record a million podcasts episodes because you won't be able to speak for two weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is what I'm currently in the middle of.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting mine out in like three weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, and that is why I regret being horny for all of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Final podcast question before we cross over to the horny side and the close friends, questions, Jill Kimbooster, I asked you this question five years ago, but it can change every day.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm asking again, if the world was ending, and you could only save one character actress.
[SPEAKER_02]: Who would you save?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was singing about this on my drive home just now, and you're right, I think that it could change on a whim, it could change tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was really, I was having a discussion on the other night about this actress and the range, and I think it's Regina Hall right now for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I had to save someone, poop, I think.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because if we're only, you know, in this post-apocalyptic hellscape, get one amazing actress, character actress, then I think it should be someone who can do it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we just saw her in Credwell-Turning one battle after another.
[SPEAKER_01]: And on the heels of that, she does scary movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think support the girls is one of the most underrated films of the last decade.
[SPEAKER_01]: She should have been nominated.
[SPEAKER_01]: She should have won.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that her.
[SPEAKER_01]: her presenting I believe that the us Emmys or the Golden Globes when Kevin Kossner didn't show up and her she was sheltering in place in sheltering in place and a year ago, so you need to just like the the reaction to that if her just laughing through that excuse is one of the funniest award show moments that has happened in recent memory if you're not sure what I'm talking about go look up she is infinitely charming um
[SPEAKER_01]: and incredible talent, a chameleon.
[SPEAKER_01]: She and I had dinner together on that Chrissy Ticken show I was on.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was such a down to earth like delightful person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't say enough good things about Regina Hall.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she is definitely somebody who deserves so much more than what she's been given, I think.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know why we can prove why your ego is smaller than people would think from Fire Island is that he just gave us a gorgeous monologue about how incredible Regina Hall is and he waited until the end to say that you have worked with her and been in a room with her and that is on.
[SPEAKER_02]: A gay guy who knows what's important which is that she roasted Kevin Costner on a network award show and that she's given us such a gorgeous range I literally two days ago said out loud without being prompted Cindy the TV's leaking simply because her line reading
[SPEAKER_02]: And anything creates Mark on our gay brains, and I think Regina Hall has always been someone that I have wanted to save, and today we save you Regina Hall, and we thank you for your service, and Joel Kimbooster, a perfect answer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Joel Kimbooster, we're going to head over to Substack, but before we do so, will you tell these stunning listeners where to follow you, and there's anything you would like for them to know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, you can follow me at I hate Joe Kim on Instagram, which is the only one that I'm even semi engaged with these days.
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually just pop on once a day to accept whatever collaboration posts I've been forced into, um, but, um, yeah, I am.
[SPEAKER_01]: Technically on TikTok, although whatever happens there is none of my business, um, and, um, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, check me out there, um, and, uh, listen to intubacy coordinator podcast.
[SPEAKER_01]: It comes out on Mondays.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, lots of cool guys, lots of fun combos.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, please check it out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all linked in the description.
[SPEAKER_02]: Y'all go follow Jolken Booster, go listen to intimacy coordinator, and cross over to Substack for this last chunk.
[SPEAKER_02]: This last half where we're going to, I'm going to ask about open relationship stuff and bush and sex parties and all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Jolken Booster, as we get into the Substack side of this, I would like to ask,
[SPEAKER_02]: a general question first, if there are any memorable hookups that come to mind that were either super formative or maybe exciting or embarrassing or hot, something that really sticks out in your brain, either a really delicious way or not.
[SPEAKER_01]: one of the first times, it's very difficult, my husband and I, you know, are non-monogamous, we will play together and sometimes separately, depending on the context, but it's difficult because he's, and I look very differently.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you don't know what my husband looks like he's 62, he's white, he's Twunky, he's got a beard, he's hairy,
[SPEAKER_01]: start featured like it we are not you know in the same lane physically and I think that for a lot of a lot of times like finding a threesome is very difficult because neither one of us wants to be the toll that has to be paid to get to the person that they actually want to hook up with and in any couple who's open who does this knows exactly what I'm talking about and you always know immediately when that it's the case and so we find the um
[SPEAKER_01]: We found that wife swap is a much more pat like an easier setup for us is we'll just meet a couple that we vibe with and we'll sort of swap and you know many variations of incombinations but it's just like there's just more to do for everybody and I would say like our first for some was still probably one of our best for somes because
[SPEAKER_02]: For the rest of the interview, head to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Patterson Ross, so Tyler Varvel, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibly, Sam Altizer, and more.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's at sub-stack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Hornie time.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love you, bye!