WEBVTT 00:01.545 --> 00:03.546 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, how recently did you wake up? 00:05.006 --> 00:07.987 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I got up at an hour, I got up. 00:08.808 --> 00:12.929 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, I think mine was 15 minutes. 00:13.689 --> 00:14.750 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I feel so, I'm not even... 00:14.770 --> 00:16.010 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even holding my microphone. 00:16.330 --> 00:16.771 [SPEAKER_00]: Look at me. 00:16.791 --> 00:17.871 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not in you. 00:18.871 --> 00:19.312 [SPEAKER_00]: I got it. 00:19.832 --> 00:20.852 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how tired I am. 00:22.013 --> 00:22.513 [UNKNOWN]: You're on it. 00:23.313 --> 00:23.833 [UNKNOWN]: You're on it. 00:23.893 --> 00:25.294 [UNKNOWN]: You're on it. 00:25.614 --> 00:26.474 [UNKNOWN]: You're on it. 00:26.654 --> 00:27.555 [UNKNOWN]: You're on it. 00:27.895 --> 00:28.555 [UNKNOWN]: You're on it. 00:42.716 --> 00:48.900 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I got up an hour ago because I had to make, uh, I had to make Koa lunch. 00:49.020 --> 00:52.902 [SPEAKER_00]: I kind of like making her lunch, you know, it's like a, um, so trad-way feeling. 00:52.922 --> 00:56.844 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much to go back there. 00:57.524 --> 01:02.027 [SPEAKER_02]: There's actually so much to go back. 01:02.647 --> 01:05.929 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it, um, tell me, tell me more. 01:07.788 --> 01:14.012 [SPEAKER_00]: She has a bento box that has little compartments and so it's fun to make it colorful and be like 01:15.168 --> 01:39.901 [SPEAKER_00]: carrots and cucumbers and a blue wrapper that's on a chocolate I give her and try to have it be really rainbowy looking but I like that and I'm like yeah looks really inviting and I like filling all the different size compartments so I just I do feel I just want to rebuke the tradwife part of that because what it sounds to me like the reality is is you love her so much 01:44.878 --> 01:46.940 [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, no, just fun. 01:46.980 --> 01:49.243 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, lit in or something. 01:51.165 --> 01:56.731 [SPEAKER_02]: The orderly, the like, the challenge and the, I'm trying to think if I have, that makes sense to me, that actually totally makes sense. 01:56.751 --> 01:58.292 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're getting a desk drawer. 01:58.352 --> 02:00.575 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like gives you like a feeling when you're done. 02:00.615 --> 02:04.959 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, ooh, that looked pretty, like, that's nice orderer, you know? 02:05.220 --> 02:06.621 [SPEAKER_00]: What is the fear of, 02:11.395 --> 02:18.702 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't people, okay, there's like, I don't know if it's a fear or it's like an ASMR of like things fitting perfectly into things. 02:19.022 --> 02:20.724 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's so true. 02:20.884 --> 02:31.754 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's like the opposite of those Instagram things that you see that are like off Kelter somehow that are supposed to make you uncomfortable or something like needs to get straight and didn't have it. 02:31.974 --> 02:36.178 [SPEAKER_02]: There was like send this to someone you hate or like, so this is someone you want to ruin their day. 02:36.518 --> 02:39.521 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which I'm like sounds like a fragile person. 02:40.041 --> 02:51.672 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish my day could be ruined by like looking at the picture on Instagram of something that needed to get straightened or like you get to the end of a task and also you just like fuck it all up. 02:52.104 --> 02:52.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:52.845 --> 02:53.085 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 02:53.805 --> 03:02.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you guys, I haven't seen Quinn since last night, but before that, it was a month. 03:02.691 --> 03:03.552 [SPEAKER_02]: It was a month. 03:03.832 --> 03:05.393 [SPEAKER_02]: And it did feel like a long time. 03:05.413 --> 03:06.033 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 03:06.053 --> 03:07.534 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a long time for me too. 03:07.654 --> 03:13.178 [SPEAKER_00]: I think also just because like travel and like going to many places and feeling so was it. 03:13.558 --> 03:14.058 [SPEAKER_00]: It was great. 03:14.098 --> 03:25.642 [SPEAKER_00]: My opener today is going to be just telling you about landing in Paris, and yes, trying to figure out the subway system to get to the train station. 03:26.002 --> 03:29.283 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I got there and I'm like, OK, I've got solidly. 03:31.292 --> 03:37.134 [SPEAKER_00]: five hours until I'm supposed to get on the train here and it has no air conditioning and nowhere to sit. 03:38.235 --> 03:52.040 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, okay, know that a couple of few blocks away, there is a hotel that lets you pay hourly basically or maybe not hourly, but some reduced rate to just buy a room for like the morning. 03:53.877 --> 03:54.537 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, great. 03:54.657 --> 03:58.878 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna go shower after this travel day, and I'm gonna take a nap. 03:59.838 --> 04:03.459 [SPEAKER_00]: And I got there and she was like, we're totally booked, we're totally full. 04:04.019 --> 04:05.439 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, why am I back? 04:05.499 --> 04:10.900 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just so tired that I just like, cause you know, I pulled an all nighter cause of the time change. 04:11.060 --> 04:12.240 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just stared at her. 04:12.620 --> 04:14.581 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, what do I, what do I do? 04:15.721 --> 04:21.982 [SPEAKER_00]: And she was like, well, and then she talked to her boss and French, and then she was like, 04:23.463 --> 04:32.751 [SPEAKER_00]: If you give me 35 euro, I'll let you shower in the basement and you can nap on that couch and she pointed to like a couch in the lobby and I was like, I'll do it. 04:33.592 --> 04:37.735 [SPEAKER_00]: So I gave her 35 euro and I went into this basement that, you know, 04:38.676 --> 04:45.358 [SPEAKER_00]: cramps is like experiencing the craziest, longest, most intense heat wave they have in 23 years. 04:45.518 --> 04:51.539 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like 105 degrees, and then I go into the space, but that has no air conditioning, so it's like 110 degrees. 04:52.119 --> 04:54.920 [SPEAKER_00]: So I go down there, and I'm just like, I'm going to boil to death. 04:55.020 --> 04:59.981 [SPEAKER_00]: And she opens this room, and there's this nice room that has towels and a shower. 05:00.081 --> 05:06.403 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to turn it into something like spa-ish, because it had like a steam room in it and a shower 05:09.364 --> 05:12.286 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you would think this has a door that locks. 05:12.487 --> 05:13.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Should I just sleep on this couch? 05:13.988 --> 05:17.391 [SPEAKER_00]: But literally, she didn't even suggest it because that's how hot the room is. 05:17.471 --> 05:19.032 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I would probably die. 05:19.172 --> 05:22.215 [SPEAKER_00]: If I took an app on the couch, I would just die. 05:22.916 --> 05:28.661 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, I'll take a very cold shower down here and then I'll go upstairs and sleep on them couch. 05:29.081 --> 05:31.924 [SPEAKER_00]: So here's this, here's this, here's the towel. 05:32.664 --> 05:35.207 [SPEAKER_00]: And then she points and she goes, and that camera doesn't work. 05:35.787 --> 05:40.852 [SPEAKER_00]: And I realized there's a camera like in the ceiling that's like pointed to the glass shower. 05:43.594 --> 05:44.835 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, great. 05:44.855 --> 05:46.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I ask if it did work? 05:46.617 --> 05:47.758 [SPEAKER_00]: Would you have cared at that point? 05:47.778 --> 05:48.619 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's the truth. 05:49.019 --> 05:50.380 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I know whether it worked? 05:50.861 --> 05:51.041 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 05:52.262 --> 05:53.023 [SPEAKER_00]: And what did I say? 05:55.132 --> 05:57.734 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying, okay, yeah, so tired. 05:57.774 --> 05:59.596 [SPEAKER_02]: You said, I give up, you said, I'm all over. 05:59.636 --> 06:00.016 [SPEAKER_00]: I quit. 06:00.196 --> 06:00.596 [SPEAKER_00]: I quit. 06:00.636 --> 06:01.137 [SPEAKER_00]: I quit. 06:01.157 --> 06:01.597 [SPEAKER_00]: I quit. 06:01.617 --> 06:01.998 [SPEAKER_00]: I quit. 06:02.018 --> 06:02.238 [SPEAKER_00]: I quit. 06:02.278 --> 06:05.420 [SPEAKER_00]: Let me just fucking take the time. 06:05.841 --> 06:10.705 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just how you like staring in the middle distance in a cold shower. 06:10.745 --> 06:12.866 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like very, very, very, very, very, that's video. 06:13.307 --> 06:15.669 [SPEAKER_00]: If that's a rally lady, you should be a bigger problem. 06:15.769 --> 06:16.349 [SPEAKER_00]: My God. 06:16.489 --> 06:18.751 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's like depression born. 06:18.791 --> 06:19.712 [SPEAKER_00]: I think we call that. 06:21.393 --> 06:23.854 [SPEAKER_00]: So, um, desperation porn. 06:24.234 --> 06:26.295 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I was like no problem. 06:26.495 --> 06:37.138 [SPEAKER_00]: So, that was what I did and then I tried to sleep on this couch that was next to the lobby door and because it's like an hourly hotel, people are in and out, in and out, in and out, right next to me. 06:37.478 --> 06:40.059 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm trying to sleep in a way where I'm like holding my bags. 06:40.299 --> 06:43.280 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm, it just do you're like spooning your backpack. 06:43.500 --> 06:45.001 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was not nice. 06:45.102 --> 07:10.283 [SPEAKER_00]: It was not a nice experience, but I got through it and then I finally got reunited with the closest and slept on a train and got to Saint Remy in this beautiful villa that we stayed in and it was so lovely and Spencer and I water-colored and we were very bad at it, but also very good, you know, it mixed. 07:10.323 --> 07:10.744 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 07:11.464 --> 07:18.589 [SPEAKER_00]: And I've been playing, I've been playing Spencer on this crossword, this New York Times crossword game. 07:18.689 --> 07:19.870 [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, oh, you play that. 07:19.950 --> 07:20.530 [SPEAKER_00]: I do too. 07:20.550 --> 07:21.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to play each other? 07:21.651 --> 07:24.433 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yeah, but I have to warn you, I'm really good. 07:24.733 --> 07:27.134 [SPEAKER_00]: I play the computer on the hard setting and I win. 07:27.314 --> 07:29.596 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, okay, I'm really bad. 07:29.676 --> 07:30.176 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 07:30.336 --> 07:31.377 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay. 07:32.037 --> 07:35.680 [SPEAKER_00]: So then the first time we played, I beat him by a lot, really easily. 07:36.340 --> 08:03.013 [SPEAKER_00]: And then the second time we played he's like beating me and he's beating me and it's so surprising like the difference was so stark and I said to him, I wrote, you know, a message each other in the game and I wrote, I think you're cheating but I can't figure out how and he was like, ha ha, I'm just being more careful about where I put things like I learned that if you cover those spaces that say two or three or whatever like I'm just being more careful about that after having 08:06.014 --> 08:29.784 [SPEAKER_00]: Really good, and then we start playing and we play like for an no-no month and he's doing really well like he's natural and I told him I'm like you should play the computer you would win if you're into playing you just you're really good like the growth is amazing and then we're on this trip and one night we're at dinner in Jamila's like tell her tell her and Spencer's like 08:31.663 --> 08:37.167 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's make you me tell you, don't be mad, but I have been cheating. 08:37.748 --> 08:44.113 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you've been cheating at playing me on a New York Times crossword game that you asked that we could play. 08:44.793 --> 08:45.794 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so weird. 08:46.835 --> 08:48.516 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, and I knew you were cheating. 08:48.896 --> 08:59.825 [SPEAKER_00]: I just couldn't figure out how when he's like, I found this app where I can like screenshot the game and send it and then it will show me all the moves I could possibly make and what the points would be. 09:00.545 --> 09:01.266 [SPEAKER_02]: incredible. 09:01.566 --> 09:06.450 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I don't understand why. 09:07.571 --> 09:11.014 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, you know, I want to win. 09:11.034 --> 09:12.915 [SPEAKER_02]: There's something as we don't have answers to. 09:13.195 --> 09:16.278 [SPEAKER_00]: And when he was fighting, what you mean about it, I guess he was like, it's good for her. 09:18.039 --> 09:20.161 [SPEAKER_00]: She's being challenged. 09:20.341 --> 09:21.542 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm having fun winning. 09:21.943 --> 09:23.424 [SPEAKER_00]: It's fine that I'm doing this. 09:23.444 --> 09:23.604 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 09:25.285 --> 09:32.467 [SPEAKER_00]: But the weirdest part about it is that he was like knowing that I'm cheating will you keep playing with me? 09:33.148 --> 09:36.029 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, sure, I won. 09:36.049 --> 09:37.369 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're still playing. 09:37.589 --> 09:41.791 [SPEAKER_00]: We're still playing games every week, he's still winning every time. 09:43.131 --> 09:46.132 [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sometimes I'm closer to winning. 09:47.908 --> 09:50.030 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, now you're like, you win against the computer. 09:50.070 --> 09:55.357 [SPEAKER_02]: Now you have your playing hands tube things, which I think, you know, for your brain, when you win, it's gonna feel really sweet. 09:55.457 --> 10:00.783 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, I don't think I ever will win, but it's still, he's right. 10:01.824 --> 10:05.288 [SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely, I think it's a faultless crime. 10:07.034 --> 10:08.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do actually. 10:08.176 --> 10:13.866 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that he told me, I think before it was a little more, um, there's a little something that Ferris, because you're lying. 10:14.387 --> 10:17.492 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, but if you're saying the truth you're like, okay, well, here it is. 10:17.933 --> 10:18.393 [SPEAKER_02]: Here it is. 10:18.854 --> 10:19.055 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 10:19.515 --> 10:19.856 [SPEAKER_01]: For sure. 10:19.876 --> 10:20.197 [SPEAKER_02]: Wow. 10:20.618 --> 10:21.418 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait to hear. 10:21.538 --> 10:23.118 [SPEAKER_02]: We hung out last night. 10:23.198 --> 10:23.999 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I got a job. 10:26.879 --> 10:28.159 [SPEAKER_02]: So Quinn and I hung out last night. 10:28.239 --> 10:34.640 [SPEAKER_02]: So there were things that were said, and it was really stressful to be like, Oh, I have to tell you, but I'm also going to tell you tomorrow. 10:34.660 --> 10:35.901 [SPEAKER_02]: But I guess I'm not telling you. 10:35.941 --> 10:37.321 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling the readers. 10:37.641 --> 10:38.161 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, tell them. 10:38.541 --> 10:41.842 [SPEAKER_02]: So extra extra extra extra extra extra read all about it. 10:42.122 --> 10:45.942 [SPEAKER_02]: When Quinn left the last time we talked was I was going to freeze my eggs. 10:46.462 --> 10:46.923 [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. 10:47.083 --> 10:49.063 [SPEAKER_02]: In the month that Quinn left, 10:49.763 --> 10:51.264 [SPEAKER_02]: I did just that. 10:52.005 --> 10:52.585 [SPEAKER_02]: Boom. 10:52.925 --> 10:53.526 [SPEAKER_02]: I froze them. 10:54.166 --> 10:55.787 [SPEAKER_02]: I got eggs in the freezer. 10:55.807 --> 10:58.949 [SPEAKER_02]: I got, you know, here we are. 10:59.310 --> 11:01.311 [SPEAKER_02]: It was an experience. 11:01.611 --> 11:03.633 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel really proud of myself that I did it. 11:04.934 --> 11:08.156 [SPEAKER_02]: There were certain things that your body goes through that was really interesting. 11:08.296 --> 11:13.700 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there are people out there that have done it, whether it was the beginning of IVF or preventative, whatever it is. 11:14.220 --> 11:15.221 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel really lucky. 11:15.901 --> 11:23.509 [SPEAKER_02]: that I had access to do this preventively because it's a very expensive endeavor, but I feel very, very lucky that I could. 11:25.371 --> 11:31.417 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you have any questions right in, but I gave myself injections, hello, women in STEM. 11:32.297 --> 11:37.783 [SPEAKER_02]: I was, you know, it's pretty wild that, you know, 11:38.243 --> 11:54.329 [SPEAKER_02]: They just give you a bunch of medication to start injecting yourself with that's wild And then I felt like a pin cushion for 10 days because you're going to get monitored like every day or every other day So like they're constantly drawing blood Scope and you out, you know, giving y'all true sounds 11:56.413 --> 11:59.395 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I got some eggs out. 12:00.255 --> 12:03.457 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody becomes obsessed with the number, which was stressful. 12:03.477 --> 12:10.681 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it becomes, I don't know what the goal is, but everybody becomes obsessed with this idea of how many eggs do that, how many eggs you got. 12:14.943 --> 12:17.865 [SPEAKER_02]: So I have a baker's dozen in the freezer, in a deep freeze. 12:17.965 --> 12:23.309 [SPEAKER_02]: And then yesterday I saw Cohen and Griffin, and I was telling Matt, because Quinn wasn't there. 12:23.349 --> 12:27.592 [SPEAKER_02]: We were at the fish share, and I was telling Matt, 12:31.197 --> 12:36.926 [SPEAKER_02]: I was telling Matt and friends about how I froze my eggs, and Coach can't but she was like, what does that mean? 12:37.086 --> 12:39.630 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh, mom's not here. 12:40.191 --> 12:41.192 [SPEAKER_02]: How do I explain this? 12:41.453 --> 12:46.240 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, I froze my eggs, and she was like, what does that mean? 12:46.320 --> 12:46.881 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, 12:47.867 --> 12:50.889 [SPEAKER_02]: How far do I go down this rabbit hole? 12:50.909 --> 12:53.871 [SPEAKER_02]: And I tried to do a preliminary explanation. 12:53.891 --> 12:54.932 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, does that make sense? 12:54.972 --> 12:59.655 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was like, no, it's like, yeah, it doesn't make sense. 12:59.975 --> 13:01.656 [SPEAKER_02]: It really doesn't, none of it makes sense. 13:01.716 --> 13:03.137 [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm glad I did it. 13:03.257 --> 13:04.158 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad it's over. 13:04.178 --> 13:07.580 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say the side effects of bloating are so real. 13:08.700 --> 13:14.342 [SPEAKER_02]: Because you feel, as my friend said, she was like, you feel like there's water balloons in you. 13:14.442 --> 13:15.822 [SPEAKER_02]: Like you just feel so full. 13:16.262 --> 13:20.703 [SPEAKER_02]: And then they retrieve them and afterwards your body is like, why did you stop with all this hormones? 13:21.203 --> 13:23.544 [SPEAKER_02]: And so you just feel like you're watering around. 13:24.084 --> 13:29.985 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can't really do much because they're afraid you're gonna rotate your ovary and lose it. 13:30.065 --> 13:31.646 [SPEAKER_02]: So you gotta be really careful. 13:32.226 --> 13:36.307 [SPEAKER_02]: But fortunately, I think I talked to my doctor and she's like, you're back to normal. 13:38.508 --> 13:38.848 [SPEAKER_02]: Am I? 13:39.168 --> 13:40.450 [SPEAKER_02]: But apparently I'm normal now. 13:41.451 --> 13:42.512 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm that I'm back to baseline. 13:42.732 --> 13:45.635 [SPEAKER_02]: You feel the jury is out in my mind, but here we are. 13:46.196 --> 13:50.120 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't You know, you're you're injecting yourself with a lot of hormones. 13:50.440 --> 13:56.887 [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't feel as crazy as I thought I might Which makes me believe is my baseline crazy? 13:59.044 --> 14:02.087 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe, indefinitely. 14:02.167 --> 14:05.390 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is actually the answer is definitely definitely definitely. 14:06.771 --> 14:08.293 [SPEAKER_02]: But if you're going through it, you're not alone. 14:08.993 --> 14:10.154 [SPEAKER_02]: If you have questions, write it. 14:11.776 --> 14:18.062 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the other thing, as I'm like, well, at this point, if I did it, now people can ask me how it goes, and I have more information. 14:18.442 --> 14:18.682 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 14:19.483 --> 14:19.643 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:21.216 --> 14:22.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm glad you did it. 14:22.857 --> 14:23.237 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks. 14:24.078 --> 14:24.998 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a mother now. 14:25.278 --> 14:28.300 [SPEAKER_02]: So I keep, wow, what did you wrap me like? 14:29.561 --> 14:33.343 [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, as you know, from mom to mom. 14:34.504 --> 14:36.105 [SPEAKER_02]: And everybody's like, no, they're not fertilized. 14:36.145 --> 14:37.005 [SPEAKER_02]: I go relax. 14:37.746 --> 14:39.727 [SPEAKER_02]: I go, I have 13, how many you have, too? 14:40.567 --> 14:41.127 [SPEAKER_02]: You know nothing. 14:41.948 --> 14:42.448 [SPEAKER_02]: You know nothing. 14:42.468 --> 14:43.089 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 14:43.549 --> 14:44.209 [SPEAKER_01]: You know nothing. 14:46.130 --> 14:47.431 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I do want to start being like, 14:52.087 --> 14:55.190 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, disclaimer, they're not in my freezer. 14:55.390 --> 14:57.092 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I just want people to know that. 14:57.112 --> 14:57.953 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not how that works. 14:57.973 --> 14:58.874 [SPEAKER_00]: That's not how that works. 14:59.014 --> 15:01.016 [SPEAKER_00]: But she doesn't put them in her own freezer. 15:01.036 --> 15:02.898 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be so stressful, by the way. 15:03.418 --> 15:06.582 [SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, what stressful is like, what if they mislabel them? 15:06.682 --> 15:07.523 [SPEAKER_02]: That's the only thing. 15:07.563 --> 15:12.868 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not, that's not an act of worry in my mind, but like we talk about this all the time of like, 15:14.176 --> 15:21.924 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what if they've mixed me up with somebody else and who the person is, you know, maybe it's better, maybe their genes are better. 15:22.084 --> 15:25.047 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, maybe it wouldn't happen. 15:25.728 --> 15:26.348 [SPEAKER_00]: You hope. 15:27.089 --> 15:28.531 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, you never know. 15:28.911 --> 15:31.654 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, so that's really what's happening over. 15:31.974 --> 15:34.697 [SPEAKER_02]: And then the other thing that was stressful is I had a meeting and they were like, 15:36.161 --> 15:41.484 [SPEAKER_02]: Here are the percentages of how many eggs you have and what the percentages of a live birth and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. 15:41.984 --> 15:50.909 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think I spoke about this on the podcast when I initially talked about it was the control group or the test group is actually 15:51.610 --> 15:52.270 [SPEAKER_02]: not large. 15:52.430 --> 15:57.473 [SPEAKER_02]: Like full in, it's like less than 500 people are in the test group. 15:57.493 --> 16:01.054 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, that's not an effective study. 16:02.175 --> 16:06.877 [SPEAKER_02]: That's actually not a large enough amount of people to determine 16:07.417 --> 16:09.538 [SPEAKER_02]: the actual percentage of efficacy. 16:09.978 --> 16:10.538 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I mean? 16:10.558 --> 16:14.799 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, in my age group, they were like out of a hundred and thirty. 16:14.979 --> 16:16.999 [SPEAKER_02]: And you're like, that's a party. 16:17.699 --> 16:26.241 [SPEAKER_02]: Like no one, no one at, like in no other scientific experiment is that an appropriate amount to basis statistic on? 16:26.462 --> 16:32.703 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, maybe I'm wrong in that, but I'm like, that is too little of a group of people. 16:32.763 --> 16:34.963 [SPEAKER_02]: And to get like, they're like one time. 16:34.984 --> 16:35.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 16:37.645 --> 16:44.513 [SPEAKER_02]: It's basically a great story one time we did this and you're like no, I don't that's actually not I did it was very funny. 16:44.533 --> 16:48.377 [SPEAKER_02]: I was talking to some friends about but it was like I You what 16:51.528 --> 16:52.589 [SPEAKER_00]: I can't hear you, would you say? 16:53.129 --> 16:54.290 [SPEAKER_00]: I said I hate the doctor. 16:54.630 --> 16:56.871 [SPEAKER_00]: I would just think, you know, how I don't trust any of them. 16:57.551 --> 17:02.474 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think those things were the frustrating thing is they're giving you, and here's the thing. 17:02.494 --> 17:03.475 [SPEAKER_02]: This is all the information. 17:03.935 --> 17:05.576 [SPEAKER_02]: I come at it from like, top of brainware. 17:05.596 --> 17:07.117 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is all the information they have. 17:07.617 --> 17:09.718 [SPEAKER_02]: They're sharing it from the doctor. 17:09.738 --> 17:10.739 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm working with perspective. 17:10.859 --> 17:13.440 [SPEAKER_02]: She wants to make sure I have the best possibility. 17:13.481 --> 17:17.143 [SPEAKER_02]: I have the best chance, just for what you do as soon. 17:18.683 --> 17:25.208 [SPEAKER_02]: But also, there's a reality of like, oh, it's a very expensive endeavor, and it does, you know, they make money every time you do it. 17:26.249 --> 17:29.432 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, but again, like, I kept pushing back. 17:29.472 --> 17:32.094 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, like, yes, but what's the control group of this study? 17:32.234 --> 17:34.736 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is the, like, what is the control group? 17:34.756 --> 17:43.944 [SPEAKER_02]: Because again, like, there's so much you don't know and as my dear friend Jordan said, our dear friend Jordan issues like Carrie, you just need one or two. 17:44.546 --> 17:45.047 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 17:45.487 --> 17:45.948 [SPEAKER_02]: That's it. 17:46.649 --> 17:51.514 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and she's holding her a little IVF baby, and she's like, look, I didn't have that many. 17:51.534 --> 17:52.676 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, look, there she is. 17:53.036 --> 17:53.417 [SPEAKER_02]: I got her. 17:53.857 --> 17:54.218 [SPEAKER_02]: Totally. 17:54.438 --> 17:58.343 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, there's so much, and also, like, as much as we can control, 18:00.007 --> 18:05.892 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, this process is about control, which I think is the other thing that's frustrating. 18:06.032 --> 18:16.560 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like this process is hopefully about regaining control of my future and feeling less anxious about making decisions or meeting the right person, things that are out of my control. 18:16.660 --> 18:24.326 [SPEAKER_02]: And so this is just like this, it's an attempt at getting some control back, especially as a woman, as a single woman of a certain age. 18:32.427 --> 18:52.182 [SPEAKER_02]: when then your doctor is like so here's again here's some lack of control of the outcome of this process you're like I actually can't process the lack of control the next step is you know what I mean like there's just a little bit like I thought I was reclaiming power and I was like well 18:53.243 --> 19:07.986 [SPEAKER_02]: So she was like give me a 50 to stick whatever a 50 to 60% chance of a life birth based on my eggs and in my mind Also, I was like well actually That's actually 50% more if there's an issue Like there's another way to look at it. 19:08.006 --> 19:14.468 [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway, so yeah, so that's the update over here Would you like to tell me a story? 19:16.048 --> 19:19.869 [SPEAKER_02]: I would love to tell you a story by the way You're listening to truly darkly 19:22.382 --> 19:24.143 [SPEAKER_02]: I see Griffin is in the room. 19:24.524 --> 19:25.064 [SPEAKER_02]: Hi, Griffin. 19:25.104 --> 19:25.965 [SPEAKER_02]: Quick. 19:26.105 --> 19:26.866 [SPEAKER_02]: Quit your not alone. 19:27.166 --> 19:28.327 [SPEAKER_00]: What's the chain of picture? 19:28.767 --> 19:32.590 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like something that you could put a liquid in. 19:33.251 --> 19:41.258 [SPEAKER_00]: Like you could put milk in it or water in it and then pour it into a glass. 19:41.338 --> 19:42.719 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you reading tech to be peg? 19:43.680 --> 19:46.162 [SPEAKER_02]: I wish you could see Quinn's face when she's talking to her son. 19:46.202 --> 19:47.223 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very funny. 19:48.112 --> 19:49.493 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, it's not made of glass. 19:49.633 --> 19:52.114 [SPEAKER_00]: It's made of China, so I guess like ceramics. 19:52.375 --> 19:53.215 [SPEAKER_00]: What's China? 19:53.815 --> 20:00.679 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I actually have a China picture if he wants to see if you want to look at a China picture Carrie has when she can show you. 20:00.699 --> 20:01.680 [SPEAKER_00]: Hold on, I'm gonna go grab it. 20:02.120 --> 20:02.580 [SPEAKER_00]: All right here. 20:02.921 --> 20:04.001 [SPEAKER_02]: I got it from my grandma. 20:04.021 --> 20:05.642 [SPEAKER_02]: It was my grandma's and I just brought it home. 20:07.023 --> 20:09.064 [SPEAKER_01]: What is China? 20:09.084 --> 20:09.704 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see it? 20:10.545 --> 20:12.786 [SPEAKER_01]: A China picture. 20:15.237 --> 20:15.878 [SPEAKER_02]: Do you see it? 20:16.158 --> 20:21.242 [SPEAKER_02]: And so inside you can put water or you can use it as a vase or I need liquid. 20:21.262 --> 20:22.383 [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think? 20:22.403 --> 20:22.923 [UNKNOWN]: Merck. 20:23.004 --> 20:23.104 [SPEAKER_01]: Milk. 20:23.124 --> 20:23.224 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 20:23.244 --> 20:24.525 [SPEAKER_02]: You want to put milk in it? 20:24.545 --> 20:24.625 [SPEAKER_02]: No. 20:24.645 --> 20:24.765 [SPEAKER_02]: There. 20:24.805 --> 20:38.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on 20:42.541 --> 20:44.563 [SPEAKER_02]: I ended up getting this information from Wikipedia. 20:44.643 --> 20:53.668 [SPEAKER_02]: I found some other documentation, but honestly Wikipedia was the most comprehensive research that I used because it was most descriptive. 20:54.429 --> 21:00.973 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm telling the story of Franca viola, and I say it because we're going to Al-Gamosee Sully. 21:02.393 --> 21:10.078 [SPEAKER_02]: So, Franca is born to her parents, Bernardo and Vida, Sarah. 21:10.838 --> 21:14.440 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that feels really Italian, which is just fun. 21:15.541 --> 21:16.722 [SPEAKER_02]: Bernardo is a pharma. 21:17.422 --> 21:19.683 [SPEAKER_02]: Bernardo, that is hard to say. 21:19.763 --> 21:21.544 [SPEAKER_00]: Bernardo is a pharma. 21:26.823 --> 21:28.164 [SPEAKER_00]: Bernardo is a farmer. 21:29.124 --> 21:31.726 [SPEAKER_00]: I have to say it only in that voice is the problem. 21:32.086 --> 21:33.447 [SPEAKER_00]: Bernardo is a farmer. 21:33.807 --> 21:35.528 [SPEAKER_02]: Now say it in Italian accent. 21:35.588 --> 21:41.191 [SPEAKER_02]: Bernardo is a farmer. 21:45.417 --> 21:51.641 [SPEAKER_02]: I think every episode I should make when do something in an accent that is not her own because it is the same every time. 21:53.022 --> 21:57.304 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so we're in Alcomo, Sicily, Bernardo is a farmer. 21:57.905 --> 22:01.727 [SPEAKER_02]: And Franca, when she's 15 years old, it's 1963. 22:02.367 --> 22:06.830 [SPEAKER_02]: And she gets engaged to this local guy, Philippe Melodia. 22:07.750 --> 22:09.632 [SPEAKER_02]: And Philippe 23. 22:12.234 --> 22:12.914 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it. 22:13.114 --> 22:13.955 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not good. 22:14.175 --> 22:15.415 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not sitting well with me. 22:15.535 --> 22:16.335 [SPEAKER_02]: She's 15. 22:16.435 --> 22:17.316 [SPEAKER_02]: He's 23. 22:18.076 --> 22:18.896 [SPEAKER_02]: That ain't cool. 22:18.956 --> 22:21.097 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is back in the 60s, not that long ago. 22:21.797 --> 22:25.619 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and Felibo is not the pillar of like good morals. 22:25.719 --> 22:28.740 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, he's the nephew of Mafia member. 22:29.520 --> 22:31.180 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the nephew. 22:31.300 --> 22:31.801 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my good. 22:32.141 --> 22:34.161 [SPEAKER_02]: He's the nephew of Mafia member. 22:34.481 --> 22:35.522 [SPEAKER_02]: Vincenzo Rimey. 22:36.142 --> 22:46.927 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, I don't know what the Genzo's doing, but he's a mafia guy, and Filippo is related to him, and I'm not saying like guilty by association, but if you look at Filippo, like he's coming in crimes, okay? 22:47.528 --> 22:49.829 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets arrested for theft at one point. 22:50.049 --> 22:56.932 [SPEAKER_02]: Also, he's trying to marry a 15-year-old, and so he gets arrested for theft, and they're narrow, they're farmer. 22:57.473 --> 23:02.875 [SPEAKER_02]: He finds out, and he's like, Vila, I'm not cool with you marrying this guy. 23:03.035 --> 23:04.316 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this is a good look. 23:05.217 --> 23:06.698 [SPEAKER_02]: I break off the engagement. 23:07.039 --> 23:07.519 [SPEAKER_02]: So she does. 23:08.419 --> 23:10.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Felipo then moves to Germany. 23:11.461 --> 23:21.628 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess people are getting married young in Sicily because two years later, it's 1965, viola is 17 years old, and she's engaged to another guy. 23:21.748 --> 23:24.610 [SPEAKER_02]: So it seems like viola, she's gotta go and on. 23:24.970 --> 23:27.912 [SPEAKER_02]: People are wanting to date or they're wanting to marry her. 23:27.972 --> 23:31.094 [SPEAKER_02]: It's 1965, and Felipo ends up coming back to Alcomo. 23:31.794 --> 23:33.476 [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess he hasn't forgotten. 23:34.796 --> 23:38.499 [SPEAKER_02]: how he feels about Viola and he wants to get back with Viola. 23:39.600 --> 23:48.526 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, she's engaged to another guy and I guess maybe this new guy is a better guy or something, but she's like, I'm not interested in marrying you, Filippo. 23:48.546 --> 23:50.587 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't want this. 23:50.627 --> 23:51.328 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not engaged. 23:51.368 --> 23:51.968 [SPEAKER_02]: We broke it off. 23:52.008 --> 23:52.448 [SPEAKER_02]: It's done. 23:52.909 --> 23:53.229 [SPEAKER_02]: Bye. 23:53.889 --> 23:55.951 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was not having that. 23:56.571 --> 23:58.492 [SPEAKER_02]: So he starts stalking her. 23:58.933 --> 24:00.714 [SPEAKER_02]: He starts threatening her life. 24:01.194 --> 24:03.356 [SPEAKER_02]: He starts threatening her dad's life. 24:03.916 --> 24:08.337 [SPEAKER_02]: He threatens her new fiancee's life, not a good vibe that we're encountering. 24:08.997 --> 24:09.897 [SPEAKER_02]: And that doesn't work. 24:09.977 --> 24:12.058 [SPEAKER_02]: She still maintains her engagement with this guy. 24:13.138 --> 24:24.840 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's December 26th, the day after Christmas, 1965, and Felipo goes to Franco's home, along with 12 armed companions. 24:25.821 --> 24:27.141 [SPEAKER_02]: He breaks into her home. 24:28.561 --> 24:29.782 [SPEAKER_02]: Her mom sees them. 24:30.422 --> 24:33.844 [SPEAKER_02]: She starts trying to fight them off to stop them. 24:33.924 --> 24:35.965 [SPEAKER_02]: It's their mother against twelve men. 24:36.986 --> 24:38.647 [SPEAKER_02]: They end up beating up her mom. 24:40.211 --> 24:47.297 [SPEAKER_02]: Then they go and try to grab Franca and take her out of the house, but her eight-year-old brother is there. 24:48.618 --> 24:51.501 [SPEAKER_02]: He starts trying to defend his older sister. 24:52.982 --> 25:03.451 [SPEAKER_02]: And they start to take Franca and her little eight-year-old brother, Mariano, refuses to let go of his sister, and so they end up taking him as well. 25:08.730 --> 25:13.618 [SPEAKER_02]: He's just holding on to his big sister for fear and to protect her this little eight year old. 25:13.718 --> 25:15.140 [SPEAKER_02]: That's, yeah. 25:16.830 --> 25:17.931 [SPEAKER_02]: They take both of them. 25:18.691 --> 25:24.896 [SPEAKER_02]: He is released a few hours later and Franca is with her kidnappers. 25:25.536 --> 25:27.218 [SPEAKER_02]: And she is being held against her will. 25:28.178 --> 25:32.762 [SPEAKER_02]: She is actually staying in the home, in a home on the outside of town. 25:32.842 --> 25:34.663 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a farm on the outside of town. 25:35.784 --> 25:40.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's owned by Felipe's sister and her husband. 25:41.328 --> 25:41.568 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, 25:44.813 --> 25:47.974 [SPEAKER_02]: Franca is held for eight days in the farmhouse. 25:48.455 --> 25:49.995 [SPEAKER_02]: She is abused. 25:50.836 --> 25:51.816 [SPEAKER_02]: She is assaulted. 25:52.656 --> 25:53.477 [SPEAKER_02]: She is raped. 25:54.257 --> 25:55.858 [SPEAKER_02]: She is held against her will. 25:56.618 --> 25:56.838 [SPEAKER_00]: No. 25:57.939 --> 26:03.241 [SPEAKER_02]: The reason this is happening is Felipo knows the culture of this. 26:03.761 --> 26:06.702 [SPEAKER_02]: At this area, at this time, the culture. 26:06.722 --> 26:08.823 [SPEAKER_02]: Hold on, how do I wanna say this? 26:09.683 --> 26:10.864 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm pulling my legs, excuse me. 26:13.905 --> 26:16.727 [SPEAKER_02]: Filippo is doing this to get what he wants, right? 26:17.027 --> 26:21.850 [SPEAKER_02]: And there is an end goal for him, which he wants to marry Franca. 26:22.591 --> 26:28.934 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, in Italy, in Sicily, in rural areas, and I'll get into Italy a large, what I say that word. 26:28.954 --> 26:31.656 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll get to Italy a large, said it's so weird. 26:31.676 --> 26:33.837 [SPEAKER_02]: Italy, Italy a large, 26:36.290 --> 26:39.792 [SPEAKER_02]: At this time, and I'm going to reiterate, this is 1965. 26:40.272 --> 26:48.937 [SPEAKER_02]: At this time, if a woman was raped, she was obviously no longer a virgin, and her honor was at stake. 26:49.698 --> 26:50.098 [SPEAKER_02]: And so, 26:51.887 --> 26:59.113 [SPEAKER_02]: The woman would be the one punished for the assault she endured because that was the culture at the time. 27:00.034 --> 27:15.107 [SPEAKER_02]: And so he, his goal was to kidnap her and rape her so that she was a ruined woman and that she would be forced to marry her attacker, which is something that happened commonly in Italy in the 1960s. 27:17.313 --> 27:27.456 [SPEAKER_02]: So while she's being held against her will, she knows the implications of this and he's like, well, now you're going to have to marry me and she's like, I refuse. 27:28.136 --> 27:28.736 [SPEAKER_02]: I refuse. 27:29.777 --> 27:31.097 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, she takes it a step further. 27:31.117 --> 27:35.499 [SPEAKER_02]: She's like, no, I'm actually going to sue your ass for kidnapping and trapping me and rain. 27:35.779 --> 27:36.899 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm going to sue your ass. 27:38.833 --> 27:41.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Her family, obviously, knows who kidnapped her. 27:41.574 --> 27:42.694 [SPEAKER_02]: They're working with the police. 27:42.874 --> 27:43.974 [SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to get her back. 27:44.914 --> 27:47.615 [SPEAKER_02]: He's also connected to the mafia in Sicily. 27:48.715 --> 27:59.738 [SPEAKER_02]: And so on December 31st, Felipo contacts Franca's dad Bernardo for the, what it's called, is the Pasiata, which is Sicilian for appeasement. 28:00.718 --> 28:07.705 [SPEAKER_02]: This means that if a couple were to leave in a loop, you contact the family to sort of make it right. 28:08.386 --> 28:13.491 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a way to strike the deal after someone is like run away with the family. 28:13.711 --> 28:15.113 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously that's not what happened. 28:15.733 --> 28:19.057 [SPEAKER_02]: Bernardo knows that his daughter was taken and kidnapped and so 28:19.677 --> 28:27.604 [SPEAKER_02]: In order to get his daughter back to safety, he plays along and he starts negotiating with Filippo and he's like, hey, I can sent to the marriage. 28:28.524 --> 28:37.572 [SPEAKER_02]: And so he's doing this while the police is in the background trying to figure out a drag and operation, a way to rescue Franca. 28:38.152 --> 28:44.417 [SPEAKER_02]: But fortunately, it doesn't go as far because once Bernardo agrees that he consents to the marriage, 28:47.763 --> 28:52.807 [SPEAKER_02]: Philipo releases Franca on January 2nd, 1966. 28:53.227 --> 28:58.610 [SPEAKER_02]: She was held for eight days and her release was just seven days before she turns 18 years old. 28:59.920 --> 29:00.240 [SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm. 29:01.041 --> 29:01.741 [SPEAKER_02]: She is released. 29:01.861 --> 29:05.003 [SPEAKER_02]: She goes back to her family home or her dad talks to her. 29:05.063 --> 29:07.744 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, hey, do you want to marry Felipo? 29:08.165 --> 29:11.987 [SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, no, I don't want to fucking marry that guy he's a monster. 29:12.587 --> 29:15.309 [SPEAKER_02]: And her dad did something incredible and rare at the time. 29:15.429 --> 29:19.851 [SPEAKER_02]: And he tells his daughter, I will do everything in my power to help you. 29:20.652 --> 29:22.853 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, this is not common at the time. 29:24.504 --> 29:37.390 [SPEAKER_02]: What Felipo is trying to do is trap her in a rehabilitation marriage, which is a matrimonial Reparatory, and this is a barretto, or a barretto, which was a common practice. 29:37.610 --> 29:53.138 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, like I said, man, a man would want a marry a woman, and as long as they would kidnap them rape them, these women were called Dona, Spargoniata, I think is how you say it or a woman without honor or a shameless woman, because she lost her virginity before marriage. 29:53.738 --> 30:00.664 [SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, this was happening in Sicily, this is happening in rural places, but also the Italian penal code supported this. 30:01.265 --> 30:07.510 [SPEAKER_02]: So the Italian penal code is that it's a crime against public morality and not a personal offense. 30:08.190 --> 30:09.892 [SPEAKER_02]: So it basically was 30:12.530 --> 30:17.973 [SPEAKER_02]: It basically was being like, yeah, no, raping someone is actually hurting the moral code of our country. 30:17.993 --> 30:21.736 [SPEAKER_02]: So it does make sense to marry your rapist, to make everything right. 30:21.756 --> 30:24.037 [SPEAKER_02]: So this was happening for a long time. 30:24.457 --> 30:32.202 [SPEAKER_02]: And if a rapist had his victim, marry him, his crime would automatically be expunged. 30:34.545 --> 30:48.899 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, 1965, 1965, so when Franca refused to marry her rapist, community was shocked because this really wasn't done and it hadn't been done before. 30:49.460 --> 30:53.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Her family was ostracized, they were criticized by the town. 30:54.044 --> 30:56.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Her family's barn and vineyard were burned. 30:58.015 --> 31:05.641 [SPEAKER_02]: And not only did she refuse to marry him to make it right, she also did go forth and sue him for kidnapping and rape, and she takes him to trial. 31:05.961 --> 31:08.903 [SPEAKER_02]: And this is huge, like I said, this is not commonplace. 31:09.924 --> 31:12.585 [SPEAKER_02]: And we've talked about this in other cultures on this podcast. 31:13.026 --> 31:17.009 [SPEAKER_02]: But the Italian media picks it up and it becomes a huge spectacle. 31:17.449 --> 31:21.572 [SPEAKER_02]: Parliament then gets involved because they realize the laws need to be changed. 31:22.675 --> 31:30.197 [SPEAKER_02]: At the trial, Filippo's lawyers will claim that she consented to the quote, Alotment, and that she flee voluntarily to get married. 31:30.297 --> 31:32.038 [SPEAKER_02]: And she was not, in fact, kidnapped. 31:33.398 --> 31:37.700 [SPEAKER_02]: Miraculously, this defense does not work and Filippo is found guilty. 31:38.740 --> 31:48.663 [SPEAKER_02]: He is sentenced to 11 years in prison, and it was later reduced to 10 years, with a two-year compulsory residence in Modena of the Balsamic Vinaigraphane. 31:49.243 --> 31:50.564 [SPEAKER_02]: but he didn't work alone. 31:50.624 --> 31:51.846 [SPEAKER_02]: He did not can nap her alone. 31:51.866 --> 31:56.810 [SPEAKER_02]: He worked with 12 arm and men who went into her house, which I just so fucking terrifying. 31:57.291 --> 32:02.916 [SPEAKER_02]: These 12 men were tried, but many of them got mild sentences. 32:03.136 --> 32:13.345 [SPEAKER_02]: Five of them were, I mean, like, out of the 12 men, I think five were acquitted and then the rest of them got mild sentences. 32:13.365 --> 32:13.425 [SPEAKER_02]: So, 32:15.227 --> 32:15.987 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not good. 32:16.127 --> 32:17.348 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not good at all. 32:17.828 --> 32:19.188 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's actually not good. 32:19.409 --> 32:22.930 [SPEAKER_02]: Filippo was a released, Filippo was a, a released. 32:23.410 --> 32:35.134 [SPEAKER_02]: He was released in 1976 and then he spent his two years in Modena of the Balsamic Vinegar fame and he was executed by the mafia before he could return to Sicily. 32:35.454 --> 32:42.597 [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what insider baseball was happening there, but I'm wondering if the viola's had a little connection. 32:43.077 --> 32:55.144 [SPEAKER_02]: or something, um, Franca after this ordeal in 1966, she would go on to marry her husband, uh, Giuseppe Ruizu in 1968. 32:55.764 --> 32:56.985 [SPEAKER_02]: She was 21 years old. 32:57.285 --> 32:58.225 [SPEAKER_02]: He was an accountant. 32:58.706 --> 33:01.207 [SPEAKER_02]: The two of them knew each other from childhood. 33:01.767 --> 33:09.492 [SPEAKER_02]: And Giuseppe said that he insisted he would have married her, no matter what, as he loved her despite the threats and rumors. 33:10.392 --> 33:17.056 [SPEAKER_02]: But after they got the marriage license, he also then filed for a firearms license to protect both him and his wife. 33:19.018 --> 33:22.720 [SPEAKER_02]: When she got married to her what I'm gonna call childhood sweetheart. 33:24.548 --> 33:46.710 [SPEAKER_02]: the Italian president and Pope Paul the fourth spoke about her, um, they applauded her courage and they supported this new marriage, which is just from my perspective, these like big men are supporting her, but also like they are really in the same culture that made this happen. 33:46.730 --> 33:47.171 [SPEAKER_00]: They just weren't. 33:47.211 --> 33:47.811 [SPEAKER_00]: They just weren't. 33:48.492 --> 34:14.506 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like there are biblical, well, it's like, there are political, it's political, it's, you look at these like, um, these laws of women's sexuality and so much of this, you know, moral code comes from the Bible and how like a non-virgin is a ruined woman, you know, and that's something that's perpetuated in many documents that both of these men grew up benefiting from. 34:14.666 --> 34:15.146 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, 34:15.746 --> 34:26.522 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but again, she became such a cultural icon in this moment that I think these men definitely like wanted to get there, you know, I think it was good politics for them to support her publicly. 34:27.022 --> 34:32.110 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, the President sent her a gift, I hope it was a big one, and the Pope ended up receiving them. 34:32.830 --> 34:39.933 [SPEAKER_02]: in a private audience, which as I assume their Catholic, because they're in Italy, but again, that's crazy. 34:40.353 --> 34:44.334 [SPEAKER_02]: That's wild, to be like the Pope like come over for tea, crazy. 34:45.694 --> 34:50.136 [SPEAKER_02]: The couple, the happy couple, would go on to have two sons and a daughter. 34:50.976 --> 35:01.500 [SPEAKER_02]: She is considered to be the first Italian woman who had been raped to publicly refuse marriage, and then she and her family, instead successfully prosecuted the rapist. 35:02.460 --> 35:14.071 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, I'm going to reiterate, 1965, the first Italian woman to have publicly refused marriage for her rapist, 1965. 35:15.051 --> 35:21.958 [SPEAKER_02]: She became a symbol of cultural progress and emancipation of women in post-war Italy, so she became a feminist icon. 35:22.738 --> 35:24.340 [SPEAKER_02]: She is still alive today. 35:25.100 --> 35:25.441 [SPEAKER_02]: In fact, 35:29.044 --> 35:41.130 [SPEAKER_02]: Her story has been an inspiration for many, and there have been a lot of movies and documentaries made about her case, and so if you're interested, they're an Italian go-watch. 35:42.371 --> 35:51.836 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the other thing that fascinated me about this case was that I think we often will look at other cultures and see this story unfold, right, of 35:53.357 --> 36:00.488 [SPEAKER_02]: The burden of punishment is on the victim of these crimes in cultures that are far from our own or different. 36:00.648 --> 36:04.113 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what makes this case compelling to me is that 36:06.517 --> 36:23.182 [SPEAKER_02]: this happened in Italy a place there's a place that you know we don't think of as antiquated in their laws and I got to say in 1966 this is crazy that this was the norm yeah and like it took one brave person and a supportive family to change it. 36:23.819 --> 36:24.079 [SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm. 36:24.700 --> 36:29.082 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes me think of Juzelle Pellicoca's her case updated the rape laws. 36:29.522 --> 36:32.704 [SPEAKER_02]: They're still They're still long way to go out. 36:33.624 --> 36:47.011 [SPEAKER_02]: We're still figuring it out and there's antiquated laws happening all over the world and it takes a Brave person to say no, this isn't right to change them And yeah, again, it's happening today. 36:48.051 --> 36:51.593 [SPEAKER_02]: It's happening today That's a story of Frank of Yola 36:55.868 --> 36:57.150 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hey! 36:58.072 --> 37:02.438 [SPEAKER_00]: Read an article in the Atlantic by Douglas Preston about the monster of Florence. 37:03.099 --> 37:03.700 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you. 37:04.682 --> 37:05.943 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it an Italy J? 37:06.745 --> 37:07.426 [SPEAKER_00]: It's an Italy J. 37:08.735 --> 37:10.676 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, we don't know. 37:10.696 --> 37:12.316 [SPEAKER_00]: We always do find a theme, don't we? 37:13.036 --> 37:13.676 [SPEAKER_00]: We do. 37:13.997 --> 37:14.657 [SPEAKER_02]: We do. 37:14.837 --> 37:19.978 [SPEAKER_00]: So this happened between a 1974 and 1985. 37:20.198 --> 37:25.700 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the longest and most expensive investigation in Italian history. 37:27.841 --> 37:28.502 [SPEAKER_00]: It was in Florence. 37:28.562 --> 37:30.063 [SPEAKER_00]: It's never solved you guys. 37:30.143 --> 37:33.206 [SPEAKER_00]: So spoiler alert on my god. 37:33.226 --> 37:39.893 [SPEAKER_00]: Did I try griff doesn't know how like Riff will say I'm going to give you a spoiler alert and then give you a spoiler. 37:41.815 --> 37:43.156 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think that's actually right. 37:43.176 --> 37:45.659 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's actually I'm going to give you a spoiler alert. 37:47.540 --> 37:48.622 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he gets a spoiler. 37:48.682 --> 37:49.883 [SPEAKER_00]: It's so cute. 37:50.684 --> 37:50.924 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. 37:51.024 --> 37:51.644 [SPEAKER_02]: I do love him. 37:51.885 --> 37:52.125 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. 37:52.572 --> 37:59.933 [SPEAKER_00]: One of the main characters in the story is a journalist named Mario Spezzi, and he's one of the main characters because he becomes what they call a monstrologer. 38:00.273 --> 38:01.834 [SPEAKER_00]: He gets really into this case. 38:01.954 --> 38:03.534 [SPEAKER_00]: He wants to figure it out. 38:04.414 --> 38:05.754 [SPEAKER_02]: And a monstrologer? 38:06.234 --> 38:08.435 [SPEAKER_00]: They call him, yeah, because he's like an expert. 38:08.515 --> 38:14.256 [SPEAKER_00]: He was a crime correspondent for La Nazion, and just an expert in the case. 38:14.476 --> 38:15.416 [SPEAKER_00]: That's incredible. 38:15.516 --> 38:17.156 [SPEAKER_00]: Because when June 7th, 1981, 38:22.192 --> 38:45.924 [SPEAKER_00]: get murdered on a very quiet road in Florence, it's south of town, and Mario lives really close to where they got killed, and he hears about it and gets there before the cops do, and he's looking at this crime scene before it's been touched by anybody which sounds so scary. 38:47.145 --> 38:51.949 [SPEAKER_00]: to show up there and again he's a journalist. 38:52.429 --> 39:02.817 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's showing up there and he sees this young boy in the car who has been shot in the head and that there is a naked woman who maybe was fleeing must have been. 39:02.837 --> 39:10.342 [SPEAKER_00]: She's been shot in the back and she's a few feet away from the car and oh okay 39:17.415 --> 39:19.355 [SPEAKER_00]: cut off her vagina, whoever did this. 39:20.976 --> 39:36.079 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was a mutilation done with such precision that their police are saying this must be a doctor or maybe a butcher, but somebody that 39:42.760 --> 39:49.384 [SPEAKER_00]: It could have been a scuba knife, it was like the way that they could tell how the knife curved and they were like maybe it was a scuba knife. 39:49.424 --> 39:50.344 [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to figure it out. 39:50.825 --> 40:00.430 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very similar this case to a homicide that had happened in 1974, seven years earlier. 40:01.550 --> 40:04.632 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're looking at this homicide. 40:06.662 --> 40:09.805 [SPEAKER_00]: They still have shells from these two kids getting killed. 40:09.925 --> 40:21.195 [SPEAKER_00]: I say kids, they're like young people that are obviously going into an Italy, part of the culture is that you often live with your family until marriage for that reason. 40:21.295 --> 40:26.520 [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to make out with somebody or have sex with somebody, you would do it on like a make out hill is the vibe. 40:26.540 --> 40:27.661 [SPEAKER_00]: You drive somewhere pretty. 40:28.101 --> 40:29.742 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd have sex there in the car maybe. 40:30.503 --> 40:32.565 [SPEAKER_00]: So because you don't have your own place. 40:33.978 --> 40:38.199 [SPEAKER_00]: That is who this killer, this monster of Lawrence, is targeting. 40:39.120 --> 40:42.241 [SPEAKER_00]: And they go back to this earlier case in 1974. 40:42.281 --> 40:48.403 [SPEAKER_00]: They pull out the shells and they're like, yep, this was fired from the same gun. 40:51.423 --> 41:02.287 [SPEAKER_00]: So Spezzi, Mario writes about the killings and he's actually the one that coins that name the monster of Florence in his writing. 41:03.982 --> 41:24.792 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going in deep, he's studying this, he's trying to figure it out, he's thinking about who could have done this constantly, and I think because he saw the crime scene, it's haunting him in a way where his wife is like, you need to seek help, and he's a Catholic, so he instead of just seeing if therapists, he sees, um, uh, 41:26.473 --> 41:37.156 [SPEAKER_00]: a monk that runs a mental health practice named Brother Galileo, and he's somebody that is like, I will do psychoanalysis combined with Christianity, and I'll help you with this trauma. 41:37.356 --> 41:42.137 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's doing that while he's writing about this, he's writing about it constantly. 41:42.917 --> 41:53.379 [SPEAKER_00]: Just some background is he will end up meeting the man that wrote this article, Douglas Preston, who also becomes obsessed and they become pals and are like, we're going to write a book about this. 41:53.459 --> 41:54.860 [SPEAKER_00]: We're so interested in this 41:56.960 --> 41:58.601 [SPEAKER_00]: More killings like this take place. 41:58.701 --> 42:13.207 [SPEAKER_00]: One of them happens in June 1982, and then 12 days after that, the police in Florence get a letter sent to them, not signed anonymous, and it is a clipping from Linassian on the newspaper. 42:14.470 --> 42:33.766 [SPEAKER_00]: about a 1968 double homicide of people that have been having sex in a parked car and it just says like it's the article and then and handwriting on it says take another look at this crime and they're like oh my god that was him too and they're figuring out that this is 42:34.386 --> 42:40.248 [SPEAKER_00]: because imagine that it feels like it starts in 1981 and then they're like nope, it starts in 1974. 42:40.528 --> 42:42.848 [SPEAKER_00]: Nope, it starts in 1968. 42:43.169 --> 42:58.313 [SPEAKER_00]: Like they keep realizing it's so much bigger than they imagine and even just for like profiling, it's the idea that you might have an age in your head of who it could be and then you're like, oh, actually this has been going on so much longer than we could imagine. 42:59.193 --> 43:08.139 [SPEAKER_00]: What's really interesting, though, about the linking it to this 1968 murder is that that murder had been solved. 43:08.320 --> 43:09.480 [SPEAKER_00]: It was an open-in-check case. 43:10.181 --> 43:15.545 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a woman named Barbara Loki who was having sex with. 43:15.685 --> 43:18.907 [SPEAKER_00]: She was married and she was had a lover and they went to a movie. 43:18.987 --> 43:24.231 [SPEAKER_00]: They went and drove their car somewhere to have sex after and they were shot to death. 43:24.671 --> 43:34.842 [SPEAKER_00]: her husband, Stefano, got arrested the next day and they did a test and they were like, yes, he recently fired a gun and then he just confessed he's like, I did it. 43:35.062 --> 43:35.823 [SPEAKER_00]: I was jealous. 43:35.983 --> 43:36.684 [SPEAKER_00]: I killed them. 43:37.445 --> 43:44.072 [SPEAKER_00]: But he can't be the monster based on being in prison for some of the crimes like they're like this doesn't make any sense. 43:44.892 --> 43:53.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, I see is looking at the interviews that he gave and he keeps saying things like they need to figure out where that pistol is. 43:53.534 --> 43:55.334 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise there will be more murders. 43:55.955 --> 43:57.155 [SPEAKER_00]: They will continue to kill. 43:58.075 --> 44:03.096 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Spezzi is like, why is Stefano saying that? 44:03.696 --> 44:06.977 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's because the gun, he said he used. 44:07.297 --> 44:11.518 [SPEAKER_00]: Two kill his wife is definitely the gun that's being used. 44:13.067 --> 44:17.234 [SPEAKER_00]: And then again, like it's the gun as a consistency. 44:17.815 --> 44:24.266 [SPEAKER_02]: And the person who admitted, and just to clarify, the person who admitted to this crime of killing his wife and her. 44:26.010 --> 44:30.254 [SPEAKER_02]: It can't be, even though he admitted to it, but he was like, he admitted to killing his wife. 44:30.394 --> 44:43.445 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not that we think that that was a false confession, necessarily, but what we do understand is that there's a consistency in the gun, but not the killer. 44:43.885 --> 44:45.187 [SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, what? 44:45.747 --> 44:48.329 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how the gun, and then you're like, okay. 44:49.630 --> 44:51.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he wasn't alone that night. 44:51.191 --> 44:59.556 [SPEAKER_00]: There are these things called clan killings, and he could have been with this height-knit group of sardinians that were... 44:59.576 --> 45:03.298 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's like mafia. 45:03.358 --> 45:15.044 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't use that word just because the article didn't, and I don't have an understanding of that, but It's the idea that there's this height-knit group of guys, and it feels like gang-ish, and 45:16.524 --> 45:19.926 [SPEAKER_00]: They went, like, imagine he's like, my wife is cheating on me. 45:20.307 --> 45:22.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go get her and the guy. 45:22.168 --> 45:24.990 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, I go, like, under cover, like, man. 45:25.010 --> 45:28.612 [SPEAKER_02]: And then imagine that one guy that's there, let's say it's a group of them. 45:29.353 --> 45:34.296 [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine one guy's there and he's like, ooh, I really liked doing this. 45:35.197 --> 45:42.042 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he takes the gun or has the gun at some point and is like, this is my new hobby. 45:44.040 --> 45:47.143 [SPEAKER_00]: So this part of the investigation is known. 45:47.263 --> 45:54.391 [SPEAKER_00]: If you research this, the monster of Florence, there's a piece of the investigation that they call the Sardinian connection. 45:55.131 --> 46:05.982 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is like a line of inquiry they're pursuing aggressively and it's focusing on three Sardinian brothers, Francesco Salvador and Giovanni Vinci. 46:06.803 --> 46:14.248 [SPEAKER_00]: all of them had been lovers of the woman that was killed in 1968, which I'm already like. 46:14.308 --> 46:15.469 [SPEAKER_00]: What is this crazy story? 46:15.489 --> 46:16.069 [SPEAKER_00]: What is happening? 46:16.089 --> 46:16.750 [SPEAKER_00]: What is happening? 46:16.770 --> 46:17.390 [SPEAKER_00]: What is happening? 46:17.410 --> 46:19.211 [SPEAKER_00]: What is this whole family? 46:19.231 --> 46:20.112 [SPEAKER_02]: Good for her. 46:20.172 --> 46:21.633 [SPEAKER_00]: But also, she ends up dying. 46:21.753 --> 46:22.693 [SPEAKER_00]: What is happening? 46:22.713 --> 46:27.336 [SPEAKER_00]: But they say one or more of them was probably there when she was killed. 46:28.477 --> 46:33.060 [SPEAKER_00]: So they arrest Francesco because I think they're 46:37.099 --> 46:38.220 [SPEAKER_00]: there's a fifth murder. 46:39.561 --> 46:43.363 [SPEAKER_00]: So they're like, okay, do we cross him out or or? 46:44.264 --> 46:47.205 [SPEAKER_02]: Say that again, you peaked in the volume, that was crazy. 46:47.726 --> 46:57.072 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so while Francesco has been arrested, there's another murder that is profiled as fitting 46:57.912 --> 47:24.477 [SPEAKER_00]: The bill the other the fact well other than the fact that he always kills straight couples and always mutilates the women's vagina And this was a gay couple, but one of the guys had long hair and they think that the monster was like oops Because then he rips up a gay magazine That they had in the car and it's the feeling of like I couldn't mutilate a body because it didn't fit the bill 47:25.597 --> 47:34.486 [SPEAKER_00]: but they still think it's him, but Francesco's released when it happened so they're like, do we release him or are these people? 47:36.789 --> 47:45.437 [SPEAKER_00]: Are there multiple people that are perpetrating this and are they deliberately being like, while he's in jail, let's kill somebody to get him off the hook? 47:46.257 --> 47:48.439 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter, he didn't do other murders. 47:49.420 --> 47:58.168 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, they don't know what to do, so it's been four months, they release him, they arrest two other guys they say did it together and while they're imprisoned, a six-killing happens. 47:58.848 --> 47:59.869 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the spy above, 48:01.211 --> 48:10.207 [SPEAKER_00]: Over and over again, they're putting different people away for this crime and over and over again somebody is in prison and another murder happens and this murder is 48:12.108 --> 48:23.277 [SPEAKER_00]: has like an added fucking horror, which is that the murderer also cuts off the woman's left breast and takes it from the crime scene. 48:24.598 --> 48:26.400 [SPEAKER_00]: So the government is freaking out. 48:26.840 --> 48:38.250 [SPEAKER_00]: They're offering almost a $300,000 reward for any information that leads to the capture of the monster, which is the highest reward that's ever been offered in Italian history. 48:40.272 --> 48:58.463 [SPEAKER_00]: Summer of 1985, two young French tourists are camping and this is so scary they do the reconstruction of the crime I can't help but play it in my head like a movie where the killer approached their tent while they were sleeping. 48:59.658 --> 49:12.221 [SPEAKER_00]: and used a knife to cut the tent and they think that they woke up and heard the noise and when they unziped the flap, the killer was there and got them. 49:13.561 --> 49:27.885 [SPEAKER_00]: What happened is the killer shot the woman in the face, shot the man but missed and just got his wrist and so the woman is dead but the man runs and the killer gives chase and 49:30.465 --> 49:37.088 [SPEAKER_00]: And then does all the mutilation stuff he typically does adding the new, taking the left breast. 49:39.949 --> 49:55.214 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, one of the prosecutors in this case named Sylvia Delamonica gets a piece of mail that is a classic cartoon style ransom note where you cut out the letters and inside is a 50:01.990 --> 50:02.910 [SPEAKER_00]: so insane. 50:04.871 --> 50:06.431 [SPEAKER_02]: It's giving a little zodiac. 50:06.691 --> 50:10.313 [SPEAKER_00]: It totally gives zodiac completely. 50:11.593 --> 50:17.835 [SPEAKER_00]: The chief prosecutor in the cases, this guy Luigi Vigna and 50:20.107 --> 50:23.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Mario Rotella is the examining magistrate. 50:23.650 --> 50:27.093 [SPEAKER_00]: What you need to know is that in Italy, those two people are supposed to work together. 50:27.473 --> 50:40.144 [SPEAKER_00]: And part of what goes wrong, I think in this case, is that they hate each other and they have different ideas about what should be done and they spend a ton of time fighting on how to proceed and it's not good for anybody. 50:40.585 --> 50:43.567 [SPEAKER_00]: But there's two people that had been in jail, 50:44.428 --> 50:48.089 [SPEAKER_00]: for this crime, but then those French people got murdered in that tent. 50:48.589 --> 50:53.290 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, Vigna is like, we need to release them and Rotella's like, no way. 50:53.910 --> 50:55.351 [SPEAKER_00]: I think one of them really did it. 50:56.291 --> 51:02.552 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think one of them is like, and somehow responsible for these other crimes. 51:02.752 --> 51:06.053 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, I don't know why I'm even telling you this except that 51:07.926 --> 51:14.370 [SPEAKER_00]: This is such a saga of people being in and out of prison and them not figuring out who the person is. 51:15.310 --> 51:16.251 [SPEAKER_02]: This is so crazy. 51:16.591 --> 51:18.192 [SPEAKER_00]: How can I even explain this? 51:18.412 --> 51:21.173 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the drama's, okay. 51:24.015 --> 51:28.477 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a guy that is named Salvador. 51:29.858 --> 51:31.239 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a 19-year-old wife. 51:32.583 --> 51:33.244 [SPEAKER_00]: Barbarina. 51:33.924 --> 51:40.970 [SPEAKER_00]: She was killed with gas in their house, but their kid, this happened in 1961, way before any of this stuff. 51:42.391 --> 51:43.693 [SPEAKER_00]: They said it was a suicide. 51:43.873 --> 51:45.134 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it was a murder. 51:45.194 --> 51:55.803 [SPEAKER_00]: Their one-year-old son somehow magically got rescued, and the idea is that this Judge Rotella is like I hate this guy, so I'm going to try to get him for being the monster. 51:58.110 --> 52:07.594 [SPEAKER_00]: and has him arrested, and he's going to use the murder of you killed your wife, Barbarina. 52:08.635 --> 52:16.078 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll convict you for that, and I will leverage this against you to help try to figure out if you're the monster. 52:16.778 --> 52:18.239 [SPEAKER_00]: Vigna was like, don't do that. 52:18.619 --> 52:24.782 [SPEAKER_00]: Rotel is like, no, I think this guy's it, and I'm going to get him for the wife's murder, and it's going to help me pin the monster on him. 52:25.142 --> 52:26.463 [SPEAKER_00]: the trial went crazy. 52:26.503 --> 52:31.026 [SPEAKER_00]: The evidence is too old that people that they thought would talk are not talking. 52:31.146 --> 52:32.867 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just a fucking mess. 52:33.308 --> 52:36.029 [SPEAKER_00]: And then when it's all over, they're nowhere closer. 52:36.109 --> 52:40.352 [SPEAKER_00]: They have to, this guy gets acquitted in like leaves town. 52:40.713 --> 52:42.194 [SPEAKER_00]: And now you have vineyard being like, 52:42.874 --> 52:49.880 [SPEAKER_00]: We have to start this investigation all over from scratch, and Rottel is like, no, and then they have to close the whole thing. 52:49.940 --> 52:53.002 [SPEAKER_00]: So this is where the Sardinian connection just gets closed. 52:53.603 --> 52:55.304 [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to go after these brothers. 52:56.125 --> 52:57.245 [SPEAKER_00]: Salvador was one of them. 52:57.646 --> 53:00.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Basically, this is like them going after those three brothers. 53:00.748 --> 53:04.971 [SPEAKER_00]: And this whole period of time where they're trying to pin it on one of them, and it doesn't go well. 53:05.672 --> 53:07.994 [SPEAKER_00]: And it just ends. 53:10.262 --> 53:10.783 [SPEAKER_00]: it sucks. 53:12.104 --> 53:14.886 [SPEAKER_00]: Whoa, so now Vignus still trying to solve it. 53:15.727 --> 53:18.709 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, what we know is that 53:20.758 --> 53:21.198 [SPEAKER_00]: is the gun. 53:21.518 --> 53:22.639 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go back to the gun. 53:23.299 --> 53:35.143 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that somehow it was in the hands of these sardinians, we know that the monster was somehow connected to this clan killing. 53:35.784 --> 53:39.985 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that the evidence was handled really, really poorly and contaminated. 53:40.545 --> 53:41.466 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think, 53:42.566 --> 53:43.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Forget the evidence. 53:43.966 --> 53:46.467 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to computers and try to solve this. 53:46.547 --> 53:48.428 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to profiling. 53:48.468 --> 53:51.508 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at folks who are around at that time and fit the bill. 53:52.069 --> 54:01.991 [SPEAKER_00]: To me, this is a really backward way to solve the case because they start just doing things like looking at people that were around them and seemed violent and be like, are they the monster? 54:02.131 --> 54:03.692 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a really bad idea. 54:04.232 --> 54:04.692 [SPEAKER_00]: I think. 54:05.432 --> 54:13.040 [SPEAKER_00]: And they look at this guy forever named Hachiani, who was just a violent drunk, he raped his daughters. 54:13.180 --> 54:17.986 [SPEAKER_00]: And so everybody hates him to begin with, he's a bad guy, and they're like, you raped your daughters. 54:18.386 --> 54:20.789 [SPEAKER_00]: You are a monster, maybe, or the monster. 54:21.389 --> 54:32.941 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think what happens as Vignette gets a little obsessed with him because he's reading all these police reports and he hears some story about Pachiani telling the police that he saw. 54:33.482 --> 54:40.749 [SPEAKER_00]: He came upon his fiance having sex with someone and he went totally nuts when she uncovered her left breast and he's like there you go. 54:41.310 --> 54:43.172 [SPEAKER_00]: The killer cut off to left breast. 54:43.512 --> 54:45.173 [SPEAKER_00]: he's definitely the killer. 54:45.653 --> 54:46.813 [SPEAKER_00]: We got to go after him. 54:47.133 --> 54:48.654 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a search of his property. 54:48.934 --> 55:00.298 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't find anything and then they find a 22 bullet that hadn't been fired and they're like what if it matches the gun and they find a rag in his garage and 55:01.418 --> 55:10.889 [SPEAKER_00]: they later receive a piece of a 22-Boretta wrapped in a torn rag with an anonymous note that says this was found under a tree where Pachiano hangs out. 55:11.569 --> 55:16.014 [SPEAKER_00]: It's then they compare the two rags and they're like, yes, this is happening. 55:17.715 --> 55:23.576 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to talk about it because later on we find out that these rags and these gun pieces were manufactured. 55:24.156 --> 55:26.397 [SPEAKER_00]: This was falsified evidence. 55:26.997 --> 55:38.199 [SPEAKER_00]: Hachiano does get arrested in 1993, and he does seem like a drunk ragey guy, not a guy that had a clumsy drunk. 55:38.319 --> 55:42.200 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a meticulous zodiac style killer. 55:44.660 --> 55:45.801 [SPEAKER_00]: not the guy. 55:46.441 --> 55:50.224 [SPEAKER_00]: And Spezzi's watching all this, the journalist we started with at the beginning. 55:50.644 --> 55:58.369 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, you guys closed this Sardinian connection because there were two guys that were just fighting constantly about how to run the game. 55:58.389 --> 56:02.291 [SPEAKER_00]: And as a result, they had these sloppy trials. 56:02.972 --> 56:04.292 [SPEAKER_00]: They were accusing these brothers. 56:04.332 --> 56:05.253 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't go well. 56:05.393 --> 56:07.595 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think you closed it prematurely. 56:08.415 --> 56:10.337 [SPEAKER_00]: This idiot couldn't have been your killer. 56:10.377 --> 56:19.064 [SPEAKER_00]: He was drunk at home, bothering his daughters, even they're coming forward to be like, when you say he was killing people, he was at home, like yelling at us, drunk. 56:19.804 --> 56:31.294 [SPEAKER_00]: But Pachiani gets convicted and sentenced to life in prison, and then they have this mandatory appeal process, and the prosecutor that is supposed to go 56:34.200 --> 56:37.988 [SPEAKER_00]: does something nobody ever has done, which is, he's too late. 56:38.749 --> 56:40.693 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not going to do it. 56:41.507 --> 56:50.992 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's like, there's no evidence that this guy to this, this is embarrassing, this is a joke that you guys are trying to get this guy on this. 56:51.092 --> 56:52.212 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a prosecutor. 56:52.413 --> 56:53.853 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not a defense attorney. 56:53.873 --> 56:57.095 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, so he's gets acquitted. 56:57.255 --> 56:59.136 [SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be retried, but then he dies. 56:59.436 --> 57:02.498 [SPEAKER_00]: So there goes the Pachiani line of inquiry. 57:03.058 --> 57:08.581 [SPEAKER_00]: A guy comes forward and he says, I just want to say, hi, you haven't heard for me yet. 57:09.521 --> 57:10.341 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm the monster. 57:11.221 --> 57:22.404 [SPEAKER_00]: And actually, I was hired to do these killings by rich people, like a very, very wealthy, florentine doctor hired me to do it. 57:22.704 --> 57:31.707 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can tell you that a big reason why was that I was meant to get a lot of these body parts for black masses, like just devil offerings. 57:32.947 --> 57:36.010 [SPEAKER_00]: If this guy seems off to you, seems pretty off to me. 57:36.030 --> 57:44.699 [SPEAKER_00]: He implicates another guy, and the other guy, a couple other people, they get convicted. 57:46.061 --> 57:49.664 [SPEAKER_00]: And one is sentenced to life in prison in the other to 26 years. 57:49.865 --> 57:51.867 [SPEAKER_00]: This is so sloppy and crazy. 57:52.367 --> 58:10.693 [SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, I'm going through it fast so like maybe it's the idealist that I didn't unpack each case because who could But reading this article I was blown away by how much they just want to put somebody away desperately They want this monster known and as a result. 58:10.713 --> 58:19.356 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like oh, really You have no fruit and you can you did it great awesome and who did it with you great? 58:19.436 --> 58:21.377 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's put them in jail amazing 58:22.612 --> 58:32.498 [SPEAKER_00]: But then there's this secret club of officers that are sneaky, silly secret clubs in this story. 58:32.798 --> 58:34.419 [SPEAKER_02]: There's so many sneaky clubs. 58:34.439 --> 58:38.461 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there were definitely a bunch of cops that were like, you're not doing this, right? 58:38.501 --> 58:40.142 [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna keep investigating it. 58:41.643 --> 58:55.150 [SPEAKER_00]: And they find a possible suspect, a man who had been arrested and released, and there had been a report prepared for, there had been a report prepared. 58:55.550 --> 58:56.010 [SPEAKER_00]: Bye. 58:57.476 --> 58:59.797 [SPEAKER_00]: the Behavioral Science Unit in Quantico. 59:00.337 --> 59:14.582 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was commissioned in the secret, and then they hit it, and they hit it, because it didn't match that drunk guy, Pachiani, because the report that the FBI makes is like, okay, we know who we can profile this. 59:14.802 --> 59:16.863 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's exactly what you would think it would be. 59:16.903 --> 59:17.984 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's alone. 59:19.104 --> 59:27.030 [SPEAKER_00]: man who doesn't have a lot of friends who sexually like probably impotent has a hatred of women. 59:27.110 --> 59:30.413 [SPEAKER_00]: It's all these things and that's not patchy on me at all. 59:30.933 --> 59:41.201 [SPEAKER_00]: So that report got buried and now these guys are bringing it to light because they're like, we are the secret group that's studying it. 59:42.923 --> 59:45.685 [SPEAKER_00]: And we think we know the guy that did it and he matches this. 59:47.865 --> 01:00:11.624 [SPEAKER_00]: The article, the guy that wrote this article never tells you that person's name because I think it's like a legal thing because he's like, I think I think that guy did it too, but I don't got to like say his name Mario Speckfield juice So this this particular suspect that really seems like it could be him Speckzy goes and like maps his I feel like he like does like one of those boards on the wall and like here's his life 01:00:11.944 --> 01:00:17.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's like, oh my god, there are so many overlaps that make perfect sense for this guy being the guy. 01:00:18.107 --> 01:00:31.474 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's totally either him or I think it could be that brother that we stopped investigating one of the brothers, Salvador Vinci, or somebody close to those sardinians. 01:00:31.514 --> 01:00:38.778 [SPEAKER_00]: Like the sardinian reaction was real and that's a very good guess because as we know, somebody had to fucking get that gun is the whole thing. 01:00:41.200 --> 01:00:51.411 [SPEAKER_00]: The suspect that they think it was is the son of one of these original sardinians. 01:00:53.373 --> 01:00:54.514 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay. 01:00:56.496 --> 01:01:02.482 [SPEAKER_00]: The author of this article in Mario Spezzi, who are buddies writing a book on this, trying to solve it together. 01:01:03.876 --> 01:01:22.625 [SPEAKER_00]: are like, let's go talk to him, the sky that they think did it, and they do, they go, and they talk to him, and they're like, hey, we're just like journalists, we're doing interviews about the monster of Lawrence or whatever, and so we just want to chat with you, and we're just like curious. 01:01:23.225 --> 01:01:29.288 [SPEAKER_00]: So if your father owned that 22-Boretta, it just seems like you could have been the guy, 01:01:30.428 --> 01:01:56.159 [SPEAKER_00]: That took it because we also know your father said you there was a breaking and entering thing on his property that he blamed you for in the spring of 1974 And that would have been like a great time for you to still his gun and like become the monster of Lawrence just sane and what they don't bring up with him that they know Is that he had a marriage that was an old for non-consumation which totally fits that profile of like totally right. 01:01:57.060 --> 01:01:57.240 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 01:01:59.523 --> 01:02:12.331 [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, it just feels like also you left the area from 1975 to 1980 and that was when there was no killings, so and then like you came back and they started again. 01:02:12.731 --> 01:02:16.454 [SPEAKER_00]: It just seems kind of weird and he's like, well, it wasn't me. 01:02:16.474 --> 01:02:21.677 [SPEAKER_00]: I was in like Cuomo's, totally living it up and it's not me at all and they can't 01:02:28.261 --> 01:02:51.450 [SPEAKER_00]: um oh god and they're like still pushing the double worship line of inquiry at this point they're like maybe it was double worshipers that were cutting off body parts for i'm like i would love to hear of a few more real crimes in the world that happened that relate to double worship because what we have is a mountain of crimes that people love to say we're double worship 01:02:57.523 --> 01:02:59.363 [SPEAKER_02]: I also now hear me out. 01:02:59.563 --> 01:03:00.944 [SPEAKER_02]: Don't shoot the messenger. 01:03:01.144 --> 01:03:09.225 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to know how many crimes have been committed in in in in in service to the devil. 01:03:09.465 --> 01:03:13.086 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to know how many crimes have been made in service to God. 01:03:23.108 --> 01:03:25.289 [SPEAKER_00]: So Spezzi gets himself into a bunch of trouble. 01:03:25.389 --> 01:03:34.234 [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, they're like, oh, we found this hexagonal stone nearby one of the crimes and it's got to mean double worship and Spezzi's like, yo, I have one of those. 01:03:34.314 --> 01:03:36.055 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a doorstopper, relax. 01:03:36.416 --> 01:03:37.937 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he goes like, from Ikea. 01:03:38.837 --> 01:03:40.298 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that's from Ikea. 01:03:40.778 --> 01:03:44.540 [SPEAKER_00]: So he goes on TV and he's talking about how 01:03:46.161 --> 01:04:05.371 [SPEAKER_00]: He's coming out with these, he's studying these crimes and he's saying things that are going against what has been documented, which is to say he's like straight up trouble in this way where he's saying, okay, there was a body that had these type of bugs on it at such and such an hour. 01:04:05.831 --> 01:04:08.293 [SPEAKER_00]: That means the killing happened on. 01:04:09.173 --> 01:04:23.403 [SPEAKER_00]: Saturday and you guys say that it was on Sunday and I could prove it and that takes a part your devil case because the guy that came forward and said it was him said it happened confessed to killing this person on a Sunday but the bugs suggest they were dead longer. 01:04:23.824 --> 01:04:25.124 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it happened on Saturday. 01:04:26.045 --> 01:04:28.026 [SPEAKER_00]: The investigators don't love that. 01:04:28.046 --> 01:04:33.768 [SPEAKER_00]: They're getting a little pissed off that he's going on TV and casting all this doubt on them. 01:04:34.808 --> 01:04:42.531 [SPEAKER_00]: So they find his door stop and they're like, you hit this door stop and you are also a double worshipper. 01:04:43.332 --> 01:04:45.752 [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to get spetsian trouble. 01:04:45.792 --> 01:04:48.954 [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to get our guide Douglas that wrote the article in trouble. 01:04:49.054 --> 01:04:50.454 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very scary. 01:04:50.694 --> 01:04:52.395 [SPEAKER_00]: They go after them in this way that 01:04:54.838 --> 01:05:21.661 [SPEAKER_00]: really scary like spetsy calls Douglas and is like my friend who is a pharmacist is being investigated for the death of Francesco Narducci who was a gastroenterologist who got found floating in a lake 20 years ago and they're deciding that my friend is a suspect and that I'm a suspect in this case that was rolled to suicide and I don't know what to do like they're kind of coming after me now maybe to silence me. 01:05:25.935 --> 01:05:37.386 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems so obvious, but so, I mean, they're just like, they're being attacked, the way that they also go after them is that Douglas goes and does its Mario Spetsi. 01:05:40.258 --> 01:05:47.540 [SPEAKER_00]: Spezys like, okay, I have a source that said during the monster killings and afterwards. 01:05:48.260 --> 01:05:58.143 [SPEAKER_00]: There were these, this group of Sardinians that could have had something to do with it that used to always go to this kind of rundown building that used to be a villa, it's outside Florence. 01:05:58.704 --> 01:06:03.545 [SPEAKER_00]: The source says that the guy we think did it 01:06:06.045 --> 01:06:16.627 [SPEAKER_00]: was there a few months ago, and that when he was there, he was there with six locked iron boxes and a couple of guns. 01:06:16.947 --> 01:06:19.868 [SPEAKER_00]: One of them was a 22-Bretta, which is the gun we're looking for. 01:06:20.308 --> 01:06:21.248 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're thinking about that. 01:06:21.268 --> 01:06:23.028 [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like six iron boxes. 01:06:23.068 --> 01:06:25.629 [SPEAKER_00]: There were six female victims. 01:06:26.009 --> 01:06:29.489 [SPEAKER_00]: This feels really creepy, and it definitely feels like the guy we think did it. 01:06:29.969 --> 01:06:30.670 [SPEAKER_00]: Could have done it. 01:06:31.370 --> 01:06:32.370 [SPEAKER_00]: They tell the police. 01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:39.276 [SPEAKER_00]: Douglas and Mario, but they also go to theville of themselves, which is like the mistake. 01:06:39.777 --> 01:06:43.601 [SPEAKER_00]: They go there at night to investigate and 01:06:45.736 --> 01:06:53.058 [SPEAKER_00]: the combination of them going to the actual villa and of the cops tapping their phones and taking little things they've said. 01:06:53.658 --> 01:06:55.499 [SPEAKER_00]: Become a thing where you're in trouble. 01:06:55.879 --> 01:06:56.779 [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get you. 01:06:57.459 --> 01:06:58.380 [SPEAKER_00]: You went to the villa. 01:06:58.520 --> 01:06:59.460 [SPEAKER_00]: We know you went to the villa. 01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:02.581 [SPEAKER_00]: You called us to try to tell us that this villa was going to have evidence. 01:07:02.901 --> 01:07:03.481 [SPEAKER_00]: You went there. 01:07:04.101 --> 01:07:08.105 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have you recorded same things about a secret. 01:07:08.485 --> 01:07:16.793 [SPEAKER_00]: We think that you went to that villa, two place evidence, two matchup with this idea that you're trying to pin it on this sardinian. 01:07:18.855 --> 01:07:29.545 [SPEAKER_00]: So now this guy that's like these these guys are journalists and they're basically getting threatened with really serious jail time and 01:07:32.558 --> 01:07:35.662 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels like they're trying to suppress the information. 01:07:35.702 --> 01:07:46.835 [SPEAKER_00]: They have, it's really hard to say, but Spezzi goes and takes his car in and figures out that they've been bugging his car and Douglass is like, I'm out of here. 01:07:46.955 --> 01:07:47.916 [SPEAKER_00]: He leaves Italy. 01:07:48.737 --> 01:08:00.681 [SPEAKER_00]: and 11 days before their book gets published a bunch of police go to Spezzi's apartment, get them outside the apartment, arrest him and throw all these charges at him, like complicity in murder. 01:08:01.081 --> 01:08:06.303 [SPEAKER_00]: They keep him without being able to talk to his lawyers for days, and in the messenger. 01:08:06.383 --> 01:08:15.866 [SPEAKER_00]: And so crazy in isolation with like depriving him of things, and they just like grill the shit out of him, like try to break him. 01:08:17.824 --> 01:08:31.770 [SPEAKER_00]: They finally set him free, and all I know after this is that the book does get published, it becomes a best seller in Italy, and Spezzi is still dealing with legal repercussions to this day. 01:08:32.522 --> 01:08:36.043 [SPEAKER_02]: And these are just people that are trying to figure out who this monster is. 01:08:36.683 --> 01:08:41.425 [SPEAKER_00]: And genuinely think it might be this guy that the guy that I told you about who they went to. 01:08:41.465 --> 01:08:42.545 [SPEAKER_00]: And he can like did. 01:08:42.565 --> 01:08:43.706 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they, yes. 01:08:45.006 --> 01:08:48.127 [SPEAKER_00]: The Sardinian connection, he's one of the things of those guys. 01:08:48.147 --> 01:08:48.647 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, thank you. 01:08:48.667 --> 01:08:49.208 [SPEAKER_00]: And T-Got. 01:08:49.608 --> 01:08:54.109 [SPEAKER_00]: And there was a police report at some point that he broke into his dad's house in 19th. 01:08:54.169 --> 01:08:54.829 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I remember. 01:08:54.970 --> 01:08:55.750 [SPEAKER_00]: The idea would be 01:08:56.450 --> 01:08:59.773 [SPEAKER_00]: that first woman that had the affair in which I'm saying he's connected. 01:09:00.153 --> 01:09:01.575 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, I know he's connected. 01:09:01.615 --> 01:09:03.897 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying connected as they got for a while. 01:09:04.037 --> 01:09:05.038 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 01:09:05.058 --> 01:09:05.198 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 01:09:05.298 --> 01:09:05.598 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 01:09:05.698 --> 01:09:06.059 [SPEAKER_02]: I know. 01:09:06.479 --> 01:09:09.982 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's the reason the police are covering it up in a way that is your worst thing. 01:09:10.002 --> 01:09:11.744 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are they to be honest with you? 01:09:11.924 --> 01:09:15.267 [SPEAKER_00]: I think the police are mad that they're being made to look foolish. 01:09:15.887 --> 01:09:19.729 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they have a feeling of journalists being armchair detectives. 01:09:19.829 --> 01:09:29.154 [SPEAKER_00]: I think my genuine read on it is that they're threatened by it in a way that's very ego-based and masculine, not that somebody's buying them off. 01:09:29.234 --> 01:09:30.054 [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know. 01:09:30.375 --> 01:09:35.257 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I guess I should read the book is the truth that like, no, this guy wrote for this podcast. 01:09:35.537 --> 01:09:37.218 [SPEAKER_00]: No, but that'd be too much research. 01:09:37.238 --> 01:09:38.138 [SPEAKER_00]: Then I would know too much. 01:09:38.198 --> 01:09:42.581 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't just be able to sit here and guess with no knowledge, which is the funnest part of all. 01:09:43.221 --> 01:09:47.582 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, this Lannick article, you guys should read it because I didn't do that good at job presenting it. 01:09:47.642 --> 01:09:57.804 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be the first two throw stones because it was confusing, but my whole read on it was, I really believe that Douglas and Mario figured out who did it. 01:09:58.004 --> 01:10:00.085 [SPEAKER_00]: I really believe it sounds like this guy. 01:10:00.205 --> 01:10:10.247 [SPEAKER_00]: It lines up in so many ways that it's him and it really seems like the cops loved their devil worship story and we're really mad when Mario started to try to take it from them. 01:10:10.847 --> 01:10:15.589 [SPEAKER_00]: Mad enough that they were like, let's say that he's a criminal, and let's fuck up his life. 01:10:16.449 --> 01:10:22.731 [SPEAKER_00]: And she has a best color because I think the best seller probably says who did it. 01:10:24.132 --> 01:10:24.772 [SPEAKER_02]: That's nuts. 01:10:25.052 --> 01:10:25.853 [SPEAKER_02]: That's nuts. 01:10:25.873 --> 01:10:26.933 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's the story. 01:10:29.095 --> 01:10:30.516 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining me for telling it. 01:10:30.996 --> 01:10:31.836 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you for telling it. 01:10:31.856 --> 01:10:33.336 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad we visited and we're leading together. 01:10:33.437 --> 01:10:36.057 [SPEAKER_02]: But, um, Italy, we went to Italy together. 01:10:36.438 --> 01:10:38.798 [SPEAKER_02]: Italy is Italian and it's Italy. 01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:41.459 [SPEAKER_02]: By the way, speaking, it's so true. 01:10:41.539 --> 01:10:42.660 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for saying that. 01:10:42.940 --> 01:10:46.201 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, my hair dryer, I left it there last night. 01:10:46.441 --> 01:10:48.462 [SPEAKER_00]: I know, I thought it was so funny when I woke up inside. 01:10:48.482 --> 01:10:49.603 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay. 01:10:49.663 --> 01:10:51.644 [SPEAKER_02]: I was in bed last night and I went fuck. 01:10:52.605 --> 01:10:54.646 [SPEAKER_02]: I think as it was dark, I should have put it in my bag. 01:10:54.766 --> 01:10:59.630 [SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm gonna ask you and do out in a reminder, can you bring it to the show tonight? 01:11:00.430 --> 01:11:01.191 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, totally. 01:11:01.231 --> 01:11:01.611 [SPEAKER_00]: Good idea. 01:11:02.975 --> 01:11:03.755 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I was like, aren't I? 01:11:03.775 --> 01:11:04.315 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go over there. 01:11:04.335 --> 01:11:04.935 [SPEAKER_02]: I gotta figure it out. 01:11:04.955 --> 01:11:06.876 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, wait, I'm gonna see Quinn tonight. 01:11:06.896 --> 01:11:10.097 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but let me go put it in my bag literally right now because I will. 01:11:10.157 --> 01:11:11.177 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, thank you. 01:11:11.197 --> 01:11:12.377 [SPEAKER_02]: That's really nice of you. 01:11:12.417 --> 01:11:13.477 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, go put it in your bag. 01:11:13.758 --> 01:11:14.678 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you tomorrow. 01:11:15.398 --> 01:11:15.798 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll see me. 01:11:15.818 --> 01:11:16.898 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see you maybe. 01:11:17.558 --> 01:11:18.159 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll see you tomorrow. 01:11:18.179 --> 01:11:19.599 [SPEAKER_00]: But here, I'm talking to CDC too. 01:11:19.619 --> 01:11:22.800 [SPEAKER_00]: You'll see me in so many different ways and so many different ways. 01:11:22.820 --> 01:11:27.821 [SPEAKER_02]: I've seen you, honestly, I probably have seen you more in the next three days than your whole life. 01:11:27.841 --> 01:11:30.181 [SPEAKER_02]: We have all summer, my whole damn life. 01:11:30.221 --> 01:11:30.982 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, bye, love you. 01:11:37.761 --> 01:11:38.945 [SPEAKER_01]: I do even!