WEBVTT 00:00.171 --> 00:02.274 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Baseball Insiders Happy Friday. 00:02.394 --> 00:08.160 [SPEAKER_00]: I am Adam Weiner, joined as always by fanside at MLB Insider rubber brewery and we are zooming towards the tree deadline. 00:08.200 --> 00:09.142 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not July this year. 00:09.602 --> 00:10.163 [SPEAKER_00]: It's August. 00:10.543 --> 00:12.566 [SPEAKER_00]: We got a little time, but we don't have that much time. 00:12.826 --> 00:16.770 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's no better time to join the Baseball Insiders on YouTube, on your favorite podcast platform. 00:17.191 --> 00:17.912 [SPEAKER_00]: In the discord, 00:18.412 --> 00:22.514 [SPEAKER_00]: on subtext where you can talk to Robert Murray directly he'll answer your questions. 00:22.534 --> 00:29.337 [SPEAKER_00]: He also does private Q&A in our all-star tier of the discord ivory Thursday at three p.m. he's been good time to get your questions in. 00:29.397 --> 00:44.024 [SPEAKER_00]: We have a mail bag today to close the week and some questions from the discorders so stay tuned for those but plenty to talk about and things into emerge over the past 24 or so hours the red socks getting a little hungrier the angels entertaining moving suppliers they might not have moved. 00:44.264 --> 00:46.285 [SPEAKER_00]: What does it mean for the brewers to be aggressive and 00:47.686 --> 00:49.868 [SPEAKER_00]: Plus, I guess LeBron James is in Philadelphia. 00:50.248 --> 00:54.132 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, we're not really going to ask any questions about that, but also just a crazy thing that happened. 00:54.492 --> 00:56.554 [SPEAKER_00]: More proof that anything can happen, Robert Murray. 00:56.915 --> 00:57.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the show. 00:58.116 --> 00:59.117 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, it's Good to be here. 00:59.157 --> 01:03.180 [SPEAKER_01]: LeBron James is a Philadelphia 76, who is totally crazy and who knows? 01:03.461 --> 01:05.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Could that possibly be the biggest move of the trade that line? 01:05.943 --> 01:09.446 [SPEAKER_01]: We, like, a lot of stuff is unknown currently in baseball. 01:09.887 --> 01:13.110 [SPEAKER_01]: On that in conversations with folks, trying to get a good read on the market and really, 01:13.825 --> 01:15.687 [SPEAKER_01]: like nobody's got a good feel for it right now. 01:15.727 --> 01:22.534 [SPEAKER_01]: So the next seven to 10 days are going to be super interesting and basically will determine everything that happens on the market. 01:22.594 --> 01:26.077 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited to break it all down because I've got new stuff in my notebook. 01:26.598 --> 01:27.659 [SPEAKER_01]: Always exciting for that. 01:28.099 --> 01:30.942 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's gonna get even more packed as the days go on here. 01:30.982 --> 01:32.503 [SPEAKER_01]: So Adam Winder, happy Friday. 01:32.784 --> 01:33.364 [SPEAKER_01]: How is it going? 01:33.384 --> 01:35.006 [SPEAKER_01]: How do you feel about the Brian going to Philly? 01:35.472 --> 01:36.333 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel good. 01:36.453 --> 01:41.437 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I was ready for some fresh blood and like Miami that's stale, Cleveland. 01:41.497 --> 01:44.680 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what does he do for Cleveland other than just an emotional reunion? 01:44.720 --> 01:56.971 [SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of saying like, I'm not gonna win a title for our retired, but I guess I will go back to Akron and Philly, like this is not something I expected and they are my rival and the New York Knicks, 01:58.792 --> 02:03.554 [SPEAKER_00]: They're path got a little harder, but I will just say nix and five that already happened. 02:03.754 --> 02:04.434 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's fun. 02:05.054 --> 02:06.135 [SPEAKER_00]: Now the rivalry gets better. 02:06.235 --> 02:12.857 [SPEAKER_00]: Credit to the sixers, the nix embarrassed them in their own building last year in the playoffs and their response was let's get way better. 02:13.077 --> 02:16.839 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of like, oh, let's just think we'll do nothing or let's back away and get worse. 02:17.159 --> 02:17.879 [SPEAKER_00]: They got awesome. 02:18.259 --> 02:41.787 [SPEAKER_00]: uh... so shout out to the next n-sixers who were going to have a fun rivalry this year and shout out to the Boston Celtics you made this happen you idiots uh... brats demons one executive of the year last year for making his roster worse and for trading nickel of boosted for nickel of boosted with the deadline and just regretting that roster every chance he got um... got credit for a gap year that didn't win a title will he win a second consecutive executive of the year for building the seventy stickers this year 02:42.007 --> 02:46.669 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to wonder, so far, the Boston Celtics are the biggest losers in this situation. 02:46.689 --> 02:54.994 [SPEAKER_00]: Though they have devil magic, I'm sure they'll be a top-reced next year anyway for no reason and Nixon fives, stamp it on the screen, that already happened, that's the past. 02:55.074 --> 03:01.117 [SPEAKER_00]: The past is in the past, the present is fun, and the present involves potentially some juicy red socks, angels. 03:01.517 --> 03:04.381 [SPEAKER_00]: rumors, uh, so we'll start here in the trade deadline mail bag. 03:04.761 --> 03:11.570 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll Sam and Ken Rose and thought teamed up to reiterate the socks, Zack Neto match, which we know was part of the offseason conversation. 03:12.031 --> 03:16.577 [SPEAKER_00]: This story indicated, hey, the angels might be interested in Marcelo Myers, part of the package. 03:17.337 --> 03:19.518 [SPEAKER_00]: who knows which side that maybe came from. 03:20.078 --> 03:26.540 [SPEAKER_00]: The neto thing is interesting for multiple reasons one because it exemplifies a willingness of Boston to go a little bit further in adding. 03:26.560 --> 03:34.062 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be an expensive ad and it also maybe says something about the angels and the way that they plan to behave on your John Mozilla. 03:34.082 --> 03:41.765 [SPEAKER_00]: So percentage chance you could put on neto being available at this point and what do you think the cost would be to a team like the Red Sox if so. 03:42.497 --> 03:52.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I get the impression from talking to teams that when Neto is being asked about, the angels aren't exactly saying, like, no, they're not hanging up the fall and they're at the point where they're listening. 03:52.443 --> 04:01.368 [SPEAKER_01]: So that definitely indicates, okay, they're at least willing to discuss things, which I think that's the case for the players across the board who are not named Mike Trout. 04:01.448 --> 04:05.110 [SPEAKER_01]: So Neto would make a ton of sense for a team like the Boston Red Sox. 04:05.531 --> 04:07.572 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that'd be a terrific fit there. 04:08.472 --> 04:09.053 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, 04:09.898 --> 04:13.401 [SPEAKER_01]: that was going to be drawing interest from all the teams across the league is a very talented player. 04:13.861 --> 04:15.482 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's impossible that he's moved. 04:16.083 --> 04:26.771 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the likelihood, but it's definitely not impossible at this point, but the angels at this point are definitely a team to watch because they have neto, they have redepers, they got sorry, I don't, they got Joe Adele as well. 04:27.591 --> 04:29.293 [SPEAKER_01]: John Moazelack is getting a lot of 04:30.175 --> 04:31.315 [SPEAKER_01]: lot of interest in his players. 04:31.615 --> 04:34.536 [SPEAKER_01]: He's listening, he's having plenty of talks across the league. 04:34.556 --> 04:35.797 [SPEAKER_01]: They're to me, definitely. 04:36.337 --> 04:41.758 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably the team maybe would like a top three team to watch here at the deadline because I think they could be plenty active. 04:42.058 --> 04:48.160 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's not even including their rental players like Jorge Soler, Perviates, Brent Souder, among those guys. 04:48.200 --> 04:54.522 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be very busy for John Mozelec and I think the neto conversation is only going to heat up from here for sure. 04:54.985 --> 05:09.763 [SPEAKER_00]: the angels with all those names you mentioned could dictate the way that we move with this to again it just takes two sweeps in either direction the red socks got four of them and that's why they are where they are now but the way that this deadline is already unfolding and will continue to unfold. 05:10.244 --> 05:14.147 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to take much to get yourself in the picture, to turn yourself from a buyer to a seller. 05:14.207 --> 05:18.310 [SPEAKER_00]: The angels are out, they seem to know that, and now we move. 05:18.750 --> 05:22.814 [SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, on the Red Sox side, all of a sudden, there's not the only Red Sox for over this fight. 05:22.834 --> 05:26.576 [SPEAKER_00]: You got Bob Knight and Gale Pegging CJ Abrams, as someone they could be interested in. 05:26.877 --> 05:31.020 [SPEAKER_00]: Shea Langoliers, they apparently are very interested in, we know the Yankees talk to 05:31.240 --> 05:33.203 [SPEAKER_00]: little bit about languages didn't really go anywhere. 05:33.243 --> 05:35.326 [SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be a tough sell for the A's, but who knows? 05:35.346 --> 05:38.091 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so what's more likely for the red socks? 05:38.431 --> 05:42.598 [SPEAKER_00]: They land a catcher or they land a big name shortstop like net or aprons. 05:43.863 --> 05:54.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I will I'll say this like let's start with the catching aspect of this because I was told that Langlears, Ruchman and Hunter Goodman at this point are unlikely going to be moved. 05:54.668 --> 06:00.750 [SPEAKER_01]: I get it would take a surprise offer because the ask understandably is very high for all those guys. 06:01.150 --> 06:02.931 [SPEAKER_01]: So the red socks want to add a catcher. 06:03.331 --> 06:04.932 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they would have to look in a different direction. 06:04.972 --> 06:07.593 [SPEAKER_01]: Could that be like a Tyler Stevenson type? 06:07.613 --> 06:09.154 [SPEAKER_01]: Could that be a Ryan Jeffers type? 06:09.174 --> 06:09.634 [SPEAKER_01]: Could that be 06:10.234 --> 06:23.983 [SPEAKER_01]: looking in a different direction, like it remains to be seen there, but I would expect the red socks and also a ton of these teams to try to continue to have the conversations with these other clubs about landing a catcher, but I just don't expect it to be a big name by any means. 06:24.956 --> 06:40.390 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's turn the table here to CJ Abrams, because he is a player who I've seen in rumors, and I've been checking on this, and I can confidently say he is the subject of repeated interests from the Washington Nationals, but as of this point, 06:40.990 --> 06:52.313 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't believe, I don't, I hear that the nationals at this point are not engaging on CJ Abrams, so I'm skeptical that he's going to be moved, but it is no surprise that all the teams are calling. 06:52.553 --> 07:09.918 [SPEAKER_01]: It seems like there's a lot of teams are calling about Abrams, and we heard about that in the office, he's one of the San Francisco Giants called the nationals about him, they called him about Jacob Young, obviously did not get a deal done for either, but Abrams continues to be the subject to rumors, but I place the odds of him being moved at relatively 07:12.573 --> 07:37.909 [SPEAKER_00]: Abrams throughout his career second half drop-offs to this year trying to buck that trend It's early, but he's hitting 423 with four homers in his first six games in the second half Yeah, not but hey, look all things considered if that's a trend you're trying to buck He's done a pretty good job But we need more data there, but even so that's a reason why you know You're gonna be asked to pay a lot for everyone's that's something a trend team is gonna be trepidations of but so far he's making people 07:38.349 --> 07:38.890 [SPEAKER_00]: believers. 07:39.030 --> 07:40.771 [SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like the catcher market. 07:41.131 --> 07:48.137 [SPEAKER_00]: You're saying, hey, maybe Tyler Stevenson is someone that we need to start paying more attention to, whether it's threats, whether it's the Yankees. 07:49.058 --> 07:56.063 [SPEAKER_00]: A tier lower than the Langeliers and Hunter Goodman and Ryan Jeffers is a rental, but is that an athlete, right? 07:56.083 --> 08:02.188 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, is that a name that you're now thinking, you know, you're telling teams like the Yankees or it's oxen rays, as well. 08:02.268 --> 08:03.749 [SPEAKER_00]: I think just a little bit smaller. 08:03.789 --> 08:06.591 [SPEAKER_00]: Think Stevenson or think two months of Jeffers don't think 08:07.987 --> 08:10.189 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking here. 08:10.229 --> 08:20.697 [SPEAKER_01]: And as I said, I would expect these other teams to be asking about those superstar catchers, but I would be really surprised at this point if they were ultimately moved. 08:20.837 --> 08:24.160 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like another guy that I would mention then there are two is Victor Carrotinian. 08:24.660 --> 08:25.841 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he's with the twins. 08:26.041 --> 08:29.284 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're talking about both twins catchers being in trade rumors. 08:29.484 --> 08:30.925 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine they're gonna trade both. 08:31.766 --> 08:33.147 [SPEAKER_01]: So that would be, I think, 08:34.171 --> 08:35.852 [SPEAKER_01]: it would have to be one or the other. 08:35.872 --> 08:41.497 [SPEAKER_01]: So if they want to hold on to Jeffers, then they can move care routine but care routine is also controllable through next season. 08:41.517 --> 08:42.418 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's an aspect here. 08:42.878 --> 08:46.241 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we got a monitor which makes me think that Jeffers would be the more likely of the two. 08:47.837 --> 08:52.602 [SPEAKER_01]: But that being said, there could be some other teams here who have catching depth, who could try to enter the market here. 08:52.622 --> 08:55.424 [SPEAKER_01]: We have the Texas Rangers, they got catching depth. 08:55.865 --> 09:05.754 [SPEAKER_01]: They also, the Seattle Mariners also have catching depth too, and I'll turn the tables back to the Rangers for a second because I keep hearing Josh Smith as someone who could be 09:06.555 --> 09:07.296 [SPEAKER_01]: possibly on the move. 09:07.316 --> 09:09.276 [SPEAKER_01]: He was recently optioned to triple A. 09:09.737 --> 09:10.397 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a veteran guy. 09:10.417 --> 09:16.280 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a former Silver Slugger winner, so that's no or the for us, of course, having done it last year. 09:16.300 --> 09:20.502 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's pretty cool deal, but there's a bunch of teams that can make sense for a guy like Josh Smith. 09:20.542 --> 09:24.444 [SPEAKER_01]: We have the Atlanta brave as we have the Tampa Bay array as the Cincinnati Reds. 09:24.888 --> 09:27.770 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's going to be other teams that could possibly be in the mix there as well. 09:27.810 --> 09:31.974 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's definitely a name where I would be far from surprised if he's moved. 09:33.255 --> 09:39.200 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think definitely though we're going to be talking about a bunch of different catching depths to go back to that conversation. 09:40.060 --> 09:41.802 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, again, I just don't see the stars going. 09:42.630 --> 10:06.771 [SPEAKER_01]: Josh Smith needs a little more SEO juice right now the Atlanta hawk is still ahead of him if you Google search and the yet It's crazy because I was doing my notes the other day, and I was at Google them just thinking Josh Smith like that one would would pop up and all this other next thing I know it is the Atlanta Hawks Guy that's the pops up instead of the range is guy fun fact by the way is I have a Josh Smith Atlanta Hawks jersey card. 10:06.871 --> 10:07.492 [SPEAKER_01]: It's somewhere here 10:07.918 --> 10:10.459 [SPEAKER_01]: at my apartment, so that's I guess that's always fun. 10:10.759 --> 10:12.660 [SPEAKER_01]: I've found that the other day when I was going through my stuff. 10:13.041 --> 10:13.981 [SPEAKER_00]: It traveled with you. 10:14.021 --> 10:17.043 [SPEAKER_00]: It made it from your channel at home to your current apartment. 10:17.523 --> 10:17.963 [SPEAKER_01]: It does. 10:18.043 --> 10:20.944 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I got a spy, it's actually kind of noteworthy. 10:20.964 --> 10:24.546 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a bunch of different sports cards over here. 10:24.586 --> 10:25.907 [SPEAKER_01]: I have a few abroad James Rookiees. 10:25.947 --> 10:26.127 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 10:26.532 --> 10:28.654 [SPEAKER_01]: If anyone is in the market for a little bit, I'm a James card. 10:29.734 --> 10:30.915 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, right, James boy. 10:31.336 --> 10:36.920 [SPEAKER_00]: I just, I listed some stuff on eBay this week for my personal collection, because I learned the price of daycare. 10:37.160 --> 10:39.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody out there not know the price of daycare? 10:39.141 --> 10:39.702 [SPEAKER_00]: Google that. 10:40.042 --> 10:41.263 [SPEAKER_01]: No, actually, I have no idea. 10:41.787 --> 10:47.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Google that, you'll somehow get Josh Smith, the Atlanta Offwear, Dick Erie does, Yoji's as well. 10:48.251 --> 10:50.773 [SPEAKER_00]: We're somehow off topicin' to trade the live mail bag. 10:51.153 --> 10:52.614 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad we are, it's fun. 10:52.814 --> 10:56.857 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, this is back, I'll post this back. 10:57.017 --> 11:00.059 [SPEAKER_00]: Another headline stealer from the last couple of days. 11:00.099 --> 11:04.421 [SPEAKER_00]: The Brewers, their Brewers aggression is being a little bit more plainly stated. 11:04.702 --> 11:10.105 [SPEAKER_00]: We have on this podcast for a long time banged the drum for like, why not get involved in Terri's Google? 11:10.225 --> 11:13.128 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, which is why not for the Milwaukee Brewers, he's a rental. 11:13.188 --> 11:14.810 [SPEAKER_00]: He is season bat the of this year. 11:15.110 --> 11:15.971 [SPEAKER_00]: You've done it before. 11:15.991 --> 11:26.281 [SPEAKER_00]: It was nearly 20 years ago, but why not do it again when you have this endless complicated prospects and it's hard to win a championship and your fans are frustrated that they get to the playoffs with 95 wins every year. 11:26.601 --> 11:27.642 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they can't be the Dodgers. 11:27.662 --> 11:29.224 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what a fun way to be the Dodgers is? 11:29.624 --> 11:31.446 [SPEAKER_00]: getting terrible and using him against them. 11:32.206 --> 11:35.109 [SPEAKER_00]: Adam McAlvie said they have checked on school and Mason Miller. 11:35.369 --> 11:36.891 [SPEAKER_00]: We are now calling them aggressive. 11:37.351 --> 11:42.676 [SPEAKER_00]: So what are your current thoughts temperature check on how far aggressive could mean to the Milwaukee brewers? 11:42.696 --> 11:43.536 [SPEAKER_00]: Like what does that mean? 11:43.576 --> 11:44.297 [SPEAKER_00]: How do we define it? 11:44.900 --> 11:49.683 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they have been active in conversations, like that's something that I've heard from a few different people across a league. 11:50.363 --> 12:00.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I have not heard of anything imminent on any front for Milwaukee, but that being said, they have checked on school, but they have checked on May similarly Adam Calvary who is very plugged in in Milwaukee is correct. 12:01.330 --> 12:05.794 [SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I believe that both of those players are unlikely and schoolable. 12:06.054 --> 12:08.656 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a much better chance of going than make some Miller. 12:08.756 --> 12:10.638 [SPEAKER_01]: Schoolable, like, still a limbo there. 12:10.838 --> 12:13.800 [SPEAKER_01]: Detroit's kind of trying to fight back into the postseason conversation. 12:14.641 --> 12:15.802 [SPEAKER_01]: But that being said though. 12:16.663 --> 12:21.107 [SPEAKER_01]: I do not get the impression the brewers want to move like they're upper upper prospects. 12:21.187 --> 12:24.431 [SPEAKER_01]: They are really happy having the top rank for our system and baseball. 12:24.911 --> 12:29.776 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't get the impression they're in a hurry to part with those high end guys. 12:29.836 --> 12:32.138 [SPEAKER_01]: So that would make me think that schools unlikely. 12:32.983 --> 12:42.930 [SPEAKER_01]: And that would definitely make me think that Mason Miller is unlikely because as I've said on the show before, and I'll reiterate it again, Mason Miller is unlikely to be traded. 12:43.090 --> 12:44.551 [SPEAKER_01]: I cannot stress that enough. 12:44.951 --> 12:46.172 [SPEAKER_01]: Things can obviously change. 12:46.653 --> 12:51.456 [SPEAKER_01]: AJ Proller can be a madman at the deadline, but it is unlikely to spite the rumors that you're hearing. 12:51.496 --> 12:58.081 [SPEAKER_01]: So that being said, the school would be an awesome fit Milwaukee. 12:58.101 --> 12:59.061 [SPEAKER_01]: I've said that for months. 12:59.141 --> 13:01.123 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you add him to that rotation. 13:01.792 --> 13:10.499 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have him, misarrowsking Kyle Harrison, provided like, hopefully they're healthy, but you have them going into the postseason to me, they're the team to beat in the national league. 13:10.639 --> 13:18.785 [SPEAKER_01]: They would be just an absolute force to be to be reckoned with here, and they could be very capable of beating a Los Angeles Dodgers without school. 13:19.868 --> 13:23.329 [SPEAKER_01]: And really without another bat, I don't know if they're capable of dethroning the Dodgers. 13:23.749 --> 13:27.451 [SPEAKER_01]: And it feels like a team that can end up having another disappointing postseason run. 13:27.471 --> 13:35.014 [SPEAKER_01]: So I am fully advocating for Mark Athanasio and Manaro will be aggressive when it comes to the trade market and land one of these big fish. 13:35.474 --> 13:39.836 [SPEAKER_01]: But I've seen what they've done to the past and I've seen him come empty or come up empty. 13:39.916 --> 13:42.356 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm worried it's good end up happening again. 13:42.376 --> 13:43.597 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to be responsible for answering the upset. 13:44.269 --> 13:45.849 [SPEAKER_00]: Here's a slight follow. 13:45.930 --> 13:59.033 [SPEAKER_00]: Now that we know, probably I had a lot of leaders in the clubhouse for weirdest transaction of the offseason, but I'm going to go ahead and call the Freddie Perl to trade the weirdest one because everybody flamed the brewers at the time, you know, you're right in the championship window. 13:59.073 --> 14:01.374 [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you doing the thing you did with Devon Williams again? 14:01.434 --> 14:03.635 [SPEAKER_00]: And you're helping the mats or helping your competition? 14:03.895 --> 14:05.475 [SPEAKER_00]: The mats are no longer their competition. 14:05.495 --> 14:07.516 [SPEAKER_00]: The mats are maybe the worst scene of the national league. 14:07.816 --> 14:08.997 [SPEAKER_00]: Pretty proud as available. 14:09.077 --> 14:10.217 [SPEAKER_00]: He also hasn't been good. 14:10.637 --> 14:12.838 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been five and fly, but the worst version of it. 14:13.359 --> 14:17.320 [SPEAKER_00]: Any chance the Provers are willing to trade a smaller tier asset to bring him back. 14:17.340 --> 14:19.481 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what is the market on Freddie Brawl to this point? 14:19.561 --> 14:21.082 [SPEAKER_00]: I may be the org that knows him best. 14:21.462 --> 14:23.523 [SPEAKER_00]: No, it was like, all right, we already got Williams and Sprote. 14:23.583 --> 14:27.285 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just give up our 17th rank dude and go run it back with Freddie Brawl to put this up. 14:28.270 --> 14:30.792 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I think it would be an awesome fit getting him back to Milwaukee. 14:30.832 --> 14:38.157 [SPEAKER_01]: That being like, I have a hard time seeing David Stern's wanting to trade him back to Milwaukee and for way less than what he gave up. 14:39.017 --> 14:43.500 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that'd be a PR nightmare that David Stern's would want to avoid in a season of PR nightmares. 14:43.580 --> 14:46.982 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's first PR nightmare in the year. 14:47.202 --> 14:48.183 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a great season. 14:48.243 --> 14:49.784 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's been a great season first year. 14:49.804 --> 14:55.408 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's also like, when it comes to parole, he's got 14:56.319 --> 14:58.781 [SPEAKER_01]: pretty strong market from what I hear. 14:59.702 --> 15:00.403 [SPEAKER_01]: He is a player. 15:00.543 --> 15:10.932 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, he is not performed with a level that he did last year or even the last five years for that matter, but he's also someone who's a proven veteran. 15:11.884 --> 15:14.685 [SPEAKER_01]: where he's also signed for $8 million bucks per rate. 15:14.725 --> 15:17.065 [SPEAKER_01]: And so you're going to get him for maybe what? 15:17.125 --> 15:19.026 [SPEAKER_01]: $3,4 million bucks for the rest of the season. 15:19.546 --> 15:22.907 [SPEAKER_01]: And you also know you're going to be getting an A plus clubhouse guy. 15:23.307 --> 15:26.087 [SPEAKER_01]: And those last two things really matter when you're talking to teams. 15:26.147 --> 15:30.828 [SPEAKER_01]: And the affordability for him, you can buy a low on him for the rest of the season. 15:30.928 --> 15:34.909 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have a chance of landing somebody who can be a difference maker in a rotation. 15:34.929 --> 15:35.810 [SPEAKER_01]: He's playoff tested. 15:37.070 --> 15:39.130 [SPEAKER_01]: If I was a team and I was running the organization, 15:44.394 --> 15:52.504 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be targeting pretty heavily because I think he would benefit from a change of scenery because I think he's meaningfully better than what he's performed in Queens. 15:53.065 --> 15:55.888 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do believe this market is quite strong here for sure. 15:55.908 --> 15:57.771 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't think a brewer is re-owned and is happening. 15:58.283 --> 16:03.047 [SPEAKER_00]: meaningfully better than how I've performed in Queens, describes basically everyone except for Luke Weaver. 16:03.807 --> 16:05.228 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure about the way. 16:05.428 --> 16:07.910 [SPEAKER_00]: But one of those, yes. 16:08.110 --> 16:14.155 [SPEAKER_00]: Now is better time to just to tie it back to the Mason Miller thing, which was part of this aggressive conversation. 16:14.555 --> 16:16.757 [SPEAKER_00]: This is a mailback question from Drew and our discord. 16:17.517 --> 16:19.458 [SPEAKER_00]: I framed it as like what H.I.P. 16:19.499 --> 16:24.082 [SPEAKER_00]: Miller might explore beyond Mason Miller, but the question was, does the injury more a home move with a trade deadline? 16:24.402 --> 16:40.739 [SPEAKER_00]: And now if you're saying Miller probably offload given the number of years of control there and given the fact that he is just like one A in the world of relief pitching more a honorental on all star last year and it's If Miller doesn't move he's probably the best relief name that could move with his deadline. 16:40.759 --> 16:45.965 [SPEAKER_00]: So do you think he could be explored as a candidate for the pottery is to sell. 16:46.488 --> 16:52.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I definitely think at this point, he's going to be a candidate to watch here for sure, especially with Miller being unlikely to be moved. 16:52.729 --> 16:58.271 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking about a guy, super, like, he's a very strong performer. 16:58.691 --> 17:00.491 [SPEAKER_01]: He's someone that a lot of teams really like. 17:00.911 --> 17:04.292 [SPEAKER_01]: And the writers are getting a bunch of interest in him, but also wanted to propel to as well. 17:04.352 --> 17:13.194 [SPEAKER_01]: So I will look at those two as being much more likely candidates to be going rather than Mason Miller, which, again, I've said this like the last, I think, three or four shows. 17:13.214 --> 17:15.195 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll make it the last five now. 17:16.655 --> 17:23.318 [SPEAKER_01]: The pod raise a stance with Mason Miller is this, they know he is an elite, elite, elite, reliever. 17:23.898 --> 17:29.261 [SPEAKER_01]: He can get up like the toughest outs against the best hitters in baseball and the biggest moments. 17:29.821 --> 17:32.682 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's signed for three more years, super affordable. 17:33.002 --> 17:36.304 [SPEAKER_01]: They just got him last year after AJ at probably a try for years to go out and get them. 17:37.144 --> 17:38.505 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not in a hurry to move him at all. 17:38.525 --> 17:39.185 [SPEAKER_01]: They would need to be 17:40.002 --> 17:42.463 [SPEAKER_01]: beyond the words blown away to be moving him. 17:42.523 --> 17:47.546 [SPEAKER_01]: So I don't expect any team to be giving him an offer that allows him to move on from Miller. 17:48.947 --> 17:53.510 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would have looked at the other potters or levers as being more likely to go. 17:54.010 --> 17:57.572 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've been surprised, but I just don't see Miller going anywhere. 17:57.592 --> 17:59.753 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's very rare. 17:59.793 --> 18:05.897 [SPEAKER_01]: You very rare you see me this admin on a podcast or just that admin, like taking down a rumor. 18:06.377 --> 18:08.418 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that shows how confident I am in this one. 18:09.575 --> 18:21.601 [SPEAKER_00]: More a hunt intrigues me a lot more than even getting into the amazing Miller fantasy too and like from me aches perspective Sorry, don't throw tomatoes in me like they've needed bullpen arms this whole year They didn't construct a complete bullpen. 18:22.041 --> 18:38.830 [SPEAKER_00]: It's they do have a number two bullpenni array at all It's all behind the redstock at this point, but that does not tell the full story and the bullpen is not at the zaster Like it doesn't need to be rebuilt from the ground up, but swing and miss they significantly lack and for most of the season They had three people you could trust 18:39.555 --> 18:41.696 [SPEAKER_00]: David Bednar, Fernando Cruz, and Brent Hendrick. 18:41.977 --> 18:44.458 [SPEAKER_00]: Brent Hendrick is throwing 50 plus games this year. 18:44.818 --> 18:56.405 [SPEAKER_00]: Fernando Cruz has melted down a few times in recent weeks in Boston and against the Dodgers, against pirates, has had a great season, but when you have three arms, you can trust, stuff like this happens, guys, we're down. 18:56.565 --> 19:01.809 [SPEAKER_00]: And recently, the trust tree is expanded to Paul Blackburn is now crazily in the trust tree. 19:02.629 --> 19:03.850 [SPEAKER_00]: Good job by Paul Blackburn. 19:03.870 --> 19:04.851 [SPEAKER_00]: Good job by Matt Blake. 19:05.231 --> 19:11.196 [SPEAKER_00]: They called up on hell to be who they got from the Rockies for TJ Rumpield this off season And he has thrown 11 nasty in it. 19:11.316 --> 19:13.338 [SPEAKER_00]: So he's not in the trust tree yet. 19:13.518 --> 19:18.342 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to do more work than that, but all of his under the three names is now become like four and a half 19:19.022 --> 19:29.793 [SPEAKER_00]: I guess, which is a little bit better, but high leverage swing and miss is still something they really desperately need, because once you get beyond that group, the other names in the bullpen are just not high leverage at all. 19:30.133 --> 19:40.543 [SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Yarbro and Tim Hill is a specialist, and Camilla Dauval is unusable, and they just don't have Dauval, I don't know if you'll ever pitch for the English, and Jake Fords, and Triple A, right? 19:40.983 --> 19:46.688 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you maybe don't need to shoot over the stars, but you definitely need at least one more high leverage relief option. 19:46.708 --> 19:49.891 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, more at home, a rental, it's going to be expensive. 19:49.931 --> 19:51.372 [SPEAKER_00]: The English impotteries deal all the time. 19:51.713 --> 19:52.774 [SPEAKER_00]: It is interesting to me. 19:52.854 --> 19:56.917 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'll at least just throw that out as like Mason Miller as a Yankee fan. 19:56.997 --> 19:57.778 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not entertaining. 19:57.798 --> 19:58.579 [SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy. 19:58.979 --> 19:59.539 [SPEAKER_00]: More at home. 19:59.579 --> 20:00.981 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, lefty. 20:01.281 --> 20:03.002 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Hendrick's getting a little tired. 20:03.043 --> 20:05.104 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, we need additional high leverage lefties. 20:05.485 --> 20:06.966 [SPEAKER_00]: That makes all the sense in the world today. 20:07.625 --> 20:08.565 [SPEAKER_01]: No, it totally. 20:08.685 --> 20:21.649 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you can end up adding another high leverage guy, maybe even two of them, I think that'd be a really good position for the Yankees to go and like, and also though, what you just listed off last year, they were so confident that they were gonna have that Super Bowl penalty. 20:21.729 --> 20:23.530 [SPEAKER_01]: Bedners worked out the rest of it. 20:23.590 --> 20:25.651 [SPEAKER_01]: The overall never saw that coming. 20:27.173 --> 20:28.274 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think anybody could. 20:28.314 --> 20:38.541 [SPEAKER_01]: He was somebody that the giant's about super, super highly, and it took a lot from them to move out from him, and they moved on, and it just been an absolute poop show. 20:38.621 --> 20:47.127 [SPEAKER_01]: Ever since he's gone to the Bronx, so I would expect them to be absolutely very active in that market, and like, okay, I'll throw this back to you at him. 20:47.567 --> 20:54.112 [SPEAKER_01]: If we're not talking more on, or who would exactly would be like your top target for the bullpen? 20:54.872 --> 21:03.505 [SPEAKER_00]: I genuinely can't figure it out like that's why I'm excited to have more a home in the market because I'm looking at that the marlins are slipping out of the wildcard picture again I'm going to go into the wind there 21:04.470 --> 21:08.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Anthony Bender is my guy like Bashar, you know, intrigues me a little bit. 21:08.532 --> 21:17.175 [SPEAKER_00]: John King is someone I know the Yankees targeted in the Joey Gallo trade way back in the day and didn't get then it I'm swapping a different name in there. 21:18.476 --> 21:20.977 [SPEAKER_00]: So like I've been thinking about the marlins this whole time. 21:21.577 --> 21:26.299 [SPEAKER_00]: If the Cardinals want to thread the needle like I don't think they traded our Riley O'Brien. 21:26.319 --> 21:28.700 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what Joe Joe Romero does for the Yankees, but like 21:29.420 --> 21:40.309 [SPEAKER_00]: a name like Moron finally solves a Yankees problem that I've had for a long time and try to figure out which leverage dudes make actual sense and like the BlueJzMult trade with us. 21:40.390 --> 21:46.635 [SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we're going back and forth on, I just saw Jeff Hoffman, Philly's connection today. 21:46.715 --> 21:51.759 [SPEAKER_00]: He's obviously thrived in Philadelphia and the BlueJz are going to have to have them serious conversations. 21:51.839 --> 21:54.922 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's no way they go as far as BlueEvarlin, but 21:55.202 --> 21:57.946 [SPEAKER_00]: They might sell Hoffman, but they ain't selling it in the Yankees. 21:58.006 --> 22:02.631 [SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't help anything other than distracting other teams with red meat while eating these cheese more alone. 22:02.951 --> 22:06.275 [SPEAKER_00]: So the answer to your question is, it's been impossible for like a month and a half. 22:06.355 --> 22:10.220 [SPEAKER_00]: And finally now I have a name that I can be like, maybe, maybe that's a fit. 22:10.718 --> 22:16.702 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's also the issue that these teams are having because they they don't know is going to be available in the next 10 days. 22:16.802 --> 22:33.295 [SPEAKER_01]: It's absolutely crazy how many teams are trying to compete and want to like actually think they have a chance to go into the postseason, which has really made this market as unpredictable as I think any that I can recall as I've been in baseball, which is crazy not been in baseball 10 plus years and this is easily. 22:34.115 --> 22:36.198 [SPEAKER_01]: like the most bizarre deadline for sure. 22:36.579 --> 22:46.153 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why if you're the angels, the mats, the giants should even throw the royals in there because they have Michael Walk and Seth Luma who I think they should be absolutely listening on. 22:47.098 --> 22:50.779 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the time to take advantage because you can get such a strong value. 22:51.159 --> 22:54.500 [SPEAKER_01]: But I can sense it from other teams across the league right now. 22:54.760 --> 22:57.121 [SPEAKER_01]: There's frustration because the prices are super high. 22:58.021 --> 23:01.422 [SPEAKER_01]: They are, there's a very limited amount of players who are actually available. 23:01.522 --> 23:07.303 [SPEAKER_01]: So could this end up changing in the next seven days and have a super loaded market for sure? 23:07.843 --> 23:13.145 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm a little skeptical that this market could end up being super loaded. 23:13.185 --> 23:13.505 [SPEAKER_01]: So we'll, 23:14.132 --> 23:19.375 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll see, but the next seven days, I'm not kidding you when I say this, we'll determine everything. 23:20.176 --> 23:23.958 [SPEAKER_00]: At this moment, what is your perception of the Blue Jays? 23:24.298 --> 23:28.401 [SPEAKER_00]: As a seller, which is again, like two weeks ago, we were talking about Red Sox, Hard Seller, Blue Jays. 23:28.421 --> 23:30.683 [SPEAKER_00]: They're like five back, no way they sell. 23:30.943 --> 23:32.484 [SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to repeat his AL champs. 23:32.824 --> 23:35.566 [SPEAKER_00]: And now it feels like, I mean, we know what the Red Sox are doing. 23:35.846 --> 23:42.370 [SPEAKER_00]: And when you look at the Jays, it's really hard to justify saying, like, going all in on this nine games under 500 team that's about to go to Fenway Park. 23:44.490 --> 24:01.977 [SPEAKER_01]: can't believe what they are definitely trending for being sellers and they are the bot or they are the Toronto Blue Jays who I'm talking about potential sellers here and they are the team that a lot of people across the league are watching right now and I end up Kevin Gosman is going to draw a significant interest on the market like this is my own speculation. 24:02.537 --> 24:13.181 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you'd be an awesome fit for the Aladabraise like they are going to be looking for a starting pitcher and I think he is very bravesty so I think he is somebody who I think makes a ton of sense for them Dalton Varshow 24:14.382 --> 24:17.844 [SPEAKER_01]: he's going to be drawing a lot of interest here as well as in the file of Europe as contract. 24:18.965 --> 24:25.948 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily know who's like the most obvious fit, but there's going to be a plenty of interest there for him for sure, especially up from the defensive side. 24:26.729 --> 24:28.650 [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff Hoffman, I'm glad you said that before. 24:28.710 --> 24:32.872 [SPEAKER_01]: He's someone who I think I mentioned a few days ago as a possibility that Jason could listen on. 24:33.559 --> 24:38.645 [SPEAKER_01]: All these teams are looking for a bullpen help and I get it's been up and down in Toronto but he's a proven guy. 24:38.845 --> 24:42.750 [SPEAKER_01]: He's also showing that he can be good in Philadelphia, which is one of the toughest places to perform. 24:43.210 --> 24:46.093 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be drawing at just a sign for another year after this. 24:46.154 --> 24:49.017 [SPEAKER_01]: So you get him for at least a year and a half. 24:49.317 --> 24:53.482 [SPEAKER_01]: I would not be surprised if he ends up going to sit in the bullpen charge over all of the market. 24:55.108 --> 24:59.689 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think violent is unlikely to be moved as you said, but teams are definitely iron up their jays. 24:59.729 --> 25:02.450 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll, again, I'll throw the ball the more oil is in there. 25:02.470 --> 25:10.991 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, they were much, like, we're not exactly sure what direction the oil is going to go quite yet, but teams across the league are iron up Trevor Rogers. 25:11.651 --> 25:16.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, both, both Rogers and Gosman, maybe one of them goes. 25:16.232 --> 25:23.194 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Gosman is much more likely, but if the oil is due to set the cell, especially the Rogers being in a contract here, I think teams across the league would pass on that 25:24.430 --> 25:34.224 [SPEAKER_00]: Like 10 days ago when we were at the All-Strike and I asked Marlon about how good it feels to be stable this year at the trade deadline, and now it's kind of like, I mean, I think he stays, but already wasted them. 25:34.765 --> 25:34.985 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 25:35.635 --> 25:40.038 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, all takes exposed and we'll send that right up for a few days of getting trouble. 25:40.418 --> 25:41.179 [SPEAKER_00]: They loved it. 25:41.279 --> 25:42.259 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll hit my ass for sure. 25:42.339 --> 25:44.261 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else on the notebook before we sign off? 25:44.701 --> 25:52.986 [SPEAKER_01]: No, the stuff that I wanted to hit on was I was a CJ from stuff because I've been seeing that pretty pretty off to here on Twitter, but again, like the nationals are not engaging with teams. 25:53.747 --> 25:54.167 [SPEAKER_01]: They are 25:55.530 --> 26:00.153 [SPEAKER_01]: getting plenty of interest in the Galilee CJ Abrams, but not looking to move him exactly. 26:00.173 --> 26:02.734 [SPEAKER_01]: And also, Galilee fostered Griffin too. 26:03.214 --> 26:04.195 [SPEAKER_01]: This one's up in the air. 26:04.335 --> 26:06.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have, you trade him. 26:06.896 --> 26:08.297 [SPEAKER_01]: He's been awesome for the nationals. 26:08.417 --> 26:09.258 [SPEAKER_01]: All started this season. 26:09.638 --> 26:10.658 [SPEAKER_01]: Or do you extend him now? 26:10.898 --> 26:14.440 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anything is cooking as at this point on the extension front. 26:14.861 --> 26:19.463 [SPEAKER_01]: So they'd have to really get going on that if they want to have a hope of extending in between now on the deadline. 26:20.604 --> 26:21.604 [SPEAKER_01]: But that one's 50-50. 26:23.164 --> 26:25.006 [SPEAKER_01]: on what exactly could end up happening there. 26:25.046 --> 26:37.018 [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is it's probably going to be traded, but that is a very difficult conversation, or very difficult decision there for the nationals, because they really value fostering, again, as I've said before, he was the first sign for Paul DiBaudi. 26:37.038 --> 26:41.041 [SPEAKER_01]: So you got to think there's at least some sentimental value when it comes to fostering, and Washington. 26:43.023 --> 27:02.514 [SPEAKER_00]: all start in year one to thank you everyone for listening or watching please join us on Monday 330 Eastern join us live on YouTube can't stress that enough during train deadline season uh if not come find us on your favorite podcast platform next week is the week to really get things going one week before the deadline to get your questions in we'll see you here on the baseball insiders. 27:03.235 --> 27:03.815 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you 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