[UNKNOWN]: The survivor specialists are back in today.
[UNKNOWN]: I am joined once again by West from once upon an island.
[UNKNOWN]: As we continue talking about winning survivor, we are up to Ghost Island through winners at war season six.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks through 40s of tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me talk about Wendell, Nick, Chris Underwood, Tommy, and Tony stretch of only men here for five seasons, which we did not have like a single gender,
[UNKNOWN]: stretch at any point, throughout survival, just very ironic.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Sarah won, Jeff kind of made all these changes like we were talking about in the earlier episode.
[UNKNOWN]: All of a sudden we just got a string of male winners right after that.
[UNKNOWN]: And here we are.
[UNKNOWN]: So Wes, excited to break the down, excited to talk with you about these five winners.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the last group that we actually covered the last time we did this once we get through episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We will be in new territory.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I'm sure everything I said last time is irrelevant this time, even though nothing has changed in their game, it's just we've had more time to evaluate, especially when comes to like Tony and Tommy's games because they had just happened when we watched when we did this podcast last time, but this time we've had a lot of time.
[UNKNOWN]: To think on it also on top of that Tony's video throw this out there.
[UNKNOWN]: I just so like six years ago I made a video for him fell six summers ago and then YouTube with their yeah I system just wiped it along with like 50 other videos.
[UNKNOWN]: So I
[UNKNOWN]: actually remade Tony from the ground up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's brand new.
[UNKNOWN]: It's on Patreon for free and paid members.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to go watch it, check them out once upon a time on Patreon.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a big one.
[UNKNOWN]: It was in fill.
[UNKNOWN]: I even did it like knowing how YouTube works now with their whole AI copyright system and it was originally like 51 minutes long and I had a chop it down to 47 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: Still even though I made the 51 minute version following how it works like how everything works like it still take four minutes off to make it good and I'm like I can't keep up with this stuff and it's like constantly changing roles, but it retroactively applies to all all my videos.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's frustrating.
[UNKNOWN]: It sounds like a personal problem in a kind of is, but it's like I had just been a week of my life remaking video.
[UNKNOWN]: I already made once, you know
[UNKNOWN]: My favorite thing about doing the podcast and never getting into the short form like you do, is that once I'm done saying whatever I spew, I'm done.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think about it again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're as I like after I script and like, I got like really thingy through which different type of video, but it's really, it's the footage.
[UNKNOWN]: They really pick you and use, I know this is a little inside baseball.
[UNKNOWN]: If you use footage from a survivor episode, it's longer than the standard 43 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: YouTube, you're more picky.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like new era episodes more picky about, but if I use like anything from 40 and before, or it's like an episode, it was like just 43 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like almost doesn't care.
[UNKNOWN]: It almost doesn't care.
[UNKNOWN]: But if it's like a premier finale, or I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, they're holy ISIS, and that's what they're caught up on.
[UNKNOWN]: The longer the episode, the more strict they get about it.
[UNKNOWN]: at so interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because we never have to use footage, which is what really helps us.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we use pictures and stuff, but nobody's going to copy or we're using images.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be insane.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be insane in 2026 to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're talking about Dom through Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: So Tony is more fresh.
[UNKNOWN]: We mean, Dom through Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what?
[UNKNOWN]: No, Dom shouldn't have won.
[UNKNOWN]: What goes that?
[UNKNOWN]: And it's so crazy that Dom Wendell thing, man, like the jury, what 10 people, right?
[UNKNOWN]: And we talked about this last time, where they said the beginning of game changers, how they were like, oh, by the way, cases ever tie.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the tie breaker, and it would be four of the film goes, start on when we determined.
[UNKNOWN]: And here it happens, almost like they put it, but you know what they say.
[UNKNOWN]: It's at the reunion of game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I just wanted to say it at three union.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where they do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I'll give it the season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's still finished.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, older union of game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the role that you know in the changes, which still is more that because that's in May, but they reveal it in Troy's hand gets up and takes a bow.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I thought they said it during the premiere of game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: That's my bad.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're in the reunion of game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: They should have known.
[UNKNOWN]: I got double check that still.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me go.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me go check that real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: I will.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, be as craziness because like what it's the first five jury members vote for Dom and the last five vote for Wendell and then laurels, of course, the tiebreaker.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and what's very interesting about this is I think what it ultimately came down to is Dom might have played the better, more strategic game, but at the end of the day people just got tired of being around Dom.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's why Wendell got the later votes because I think the people down the stretch.
[UNKNOWN]: They just got tired of the aggressiveness of Dom.
[UNKNOWN]: And so they were really, I think that that's just what ended up happening was you sit there and you watch that season and you see Donna thin and Sebastian and Angela all vote for Tom are all vote for Wonderland instead of Dom and like I think it's it's like
[UNKNOWN]: When Dom tries to make Sebastian look really bad, that ends up robbing the jury the wrong way.
[UNKNOWN]: When the people who go out earlier, they've had more time to digest it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they just appreciated like, you know, Dom's game because they didn't have to be around him as much.
[UNKNOWN]: Dom never gets to level a Russell Hans, but this is like the definition of social game versus strategic game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think maybe this is like the finest example of it we have ever seen in the history of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: So sorry for the D.A.J.
[UNKNOWN]: Abu, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: We actually did discuss this, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: The finale of Game Changers was May 24th and the premiere of Ghost Island, meaning when they filmed, the premiere of Ghost Island.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, it was June 5th, so it's two weeks later, two weeks.
[UNKNOWN]: So Jeff, right, so that's you, and they still didn't know because it still hadn't happened yet.
[UNKNOWN]: So Jeff was, so you're saying survivor ghost island was scripted and Jeff brought that up at the game changers for you and to make sure this was going to happen and he scripted it for a window to win because preseason is one of the rare times Jeff was actually right about who the winner was going to be oh we figured it out
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not a good season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a really dull season, unfortunately.
[UNKNOWN]: How does a couple of iconic moments, but the season as a whole is just dull?
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely things, I think the Ghost Island format though, I'll format it's right where it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Ghost Island itself could be brought back for the open era, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Ghost Island, the island where like an old advantage hat, because they can just
[UNKNOWN]: use an island just refeem it whatever they want.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they did anyways are in 30s.
[UNKNOWN]: They could totally do that during the 50s as well if they wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: It just, like, nothing felt like it came of it.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was an example of they used it really and frequently.
[UNKNOWN]: And that felt like a problem.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like they didn't know if they wanted to fully commit to the idea of Ghost Island or not.
[UNKNOWN]: It just pops up so randomly throughout the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And another instance where Wendell doesn't really have much of his game impacted by Ghost Island.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I know Dom has the situation.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you can see him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which I think is cool because, you know, we get there when we talk about Tommy later, which we're going to talk about Tommy laterally never going out into the aisles, and that was something that they were doing every cycle.
[UNKNOWN]: When I noticed this island, it's been a while.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember if he goes to go, and I know I'm about to get to that season, and I truly don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to look at the stats because I remember Ghost Island being every episode, but I think the issue fill, this is why I definitely remember, was that people could opt out of Ghost Island and like that's probably why people are in a lot of opt out of journeys is because people often would opt out of Ghost Island and it's like, oh, well, honestly, even better if we just didn't even show this part of the episode, like this is a waste of every time, you might as well just not show it unless somebody does participate, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but then that's tough because you're just like, okay, we're seeing somebody leave camp and then we're seeing them not be present at camp.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all we're going to have to have to have a living in camp, why do you have some living camp?
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm just saying like if they're missing for like a big moment or something, it's harder to cut around that than it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, though, with Wendell, do some stats early here because I think Wendell's game is one of those.
[UNKNOWN]: It's in an unpopular season.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets overshadowed by how massive Dom's personality is.
[UNKNOWN]: So he kind of take Dom kind of takes the screen, the spotlight away from Wendell, which I think kind of makes it a little bit harder for people to see Wendell's game.
[UNKNOWN]: When I did my own personal ranking, I ranked Wendell and Michelle just 24 and 26.
[UNKNOWN]: I had Wendell two spots below Michelle, because I do think that they're in a very similar situation on their seasons, where it's social, social, social.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we see Wendell as a little bit more than we see Michelle's.
[UNKNOWN]: At least I'm talking in terms of what makes him so good socially.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: it's very interesting how this show four seasons later runs into some of the same pitfalls of over-showing DOM rather than giving Wendell as much screen time.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's where only talk about Wendell, people don't really fight for Wendell to be like a top 10, top 15 winner, but nobody talks negatively about Wendell.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like most people just feel neutral about Wendell because maybe they haven't rewatched the season or they kind of forget what Wendell was able to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, are you ready for some stats?
[UNKNOWN]: I know you just asked for that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm ready.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so go sound itself, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: Happened in, at a 13 episodes, happened in a 10 episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: The finale, they did go there, the file four went there, but there was like nothing to do.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they were present on their own.
[UNKNOWN]: So all right, so we got 10 episodes where they actually happened, when will did go, by the way, to answer everyone's question.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Jacob Durwin goes first episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a legacy advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like that was like perfect scenario for first episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Like somebody took the chant, like got the island, yes, there's an advantage, and got one.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's what survival wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: Episodes two and three.
[UNKNOWN]: Dawn thing goes there and Chris goes there and it's like, oops, no advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: or nothing available.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what, what's all right?
[UNKNOWN]: Cowan goes there and episode four is like, no, I'm not doing this smart.
[UNKNOWN]: Episode five, Stephanie goes there, nothing's available.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's what you mean, it's like, the show is,
[UNKNOWN]: At the first time, you need to find nothing's available.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, like they would stay ticked a little hammer and they smashed the little earned thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It said, sorry, no advantage available this time.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Go back.
[UNKNOWN]: Which was the dumbest concept.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there should always be an advantage as somebody wants to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: And then episode six, no one was sent to go to Alan this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Episode seven, Kellan goes back.
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[UNKNOWN]: gets your extra vote and unknown advantage, it says, on the wiki cell.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: Chris Noble, infamously goes.
[UNKNOWN]: The episode after that gets the hidden immunity idol, but doesn't extend the idol to three tribals.
[UNKNOWN]: Jenna goes the next episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Nothing's available.
[UNKNOWN]: Angela goes episode after that gets too, um, sorry, uh, tries to get something but doesn't get anything.
[UNKNOWN]: There's it was too unknown advantages.
[UNKNOWN]: It says episode after that, uh, nobody goes.
[UNKNOWN]: Wendel then go in episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It looks like 11 and gets an advantage at the next community challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Sebastian goes in episode 12 and gets an extra vote.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's more advantages in the second half of the season, but it really is bad momentum when like episode, or sorry, the first episode
[UNKNOWN]: the first episode and got, and like there's nothing available.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I might have got absolute numbers mixed up, but yeah, so it looks like I'm looking to go sound south in a weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, I really killed momentum when just like nothing's available for four people who went there.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's in 10 episodes, but four of those episodes, nothing happens.
[UNKNOWN]: So really six out of the 13, something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, less than 50%.
[UNKNOWN]: In the fact that the season is named after it, really, like nothing's only one, two, three, four, five people got anything from the island.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was really hyped up at the time that it was going to be like really talking about things from the past and all this exciting stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And we really didn't get that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, oh, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Eric Snackless.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, fun fact about the season, the Ponderosa video of Chris Novel rapping was officially taken down on CBS because I guess the music was copyrighted or something that he wrapped over, if you saw.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, the infamous Chris Novel rap on Ponderosa.
[UNKNOWN]: I live in the dream on Ponderosa that went on, then quoted on his, in his Ponderosa video during when he was at war.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, so another fun fact is that's not you might be able to find on YouTube, but like CBS themselves, it's not on the DVD It's not on the website nothing interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so let's let's talk about window then.
[UNKNOWN]: So window goes one time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what's windows?
[UNKNOWN]: What are some windows stats?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not I don't have it in front of me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm letting you I'm.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, perfect gaming.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect gaming is off.
[UNKNOWN]: I quite a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: He is off.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yes, he is off.
[UNKNOWN]: I 10, but to be fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Like five of those votes were Dom getting votes of file tribal.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's any better, but he's off.
[UNKNOWN]: I see it all of his votes at one tribal or does he get them spread out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a good question.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never watched this before.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Wendel though.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to guess where he's ranked real quick?
[UNKNOWN]: 26.
[UNKNOWN]: No, not even close.
[UNKNOWN]: Wendel is at 37.
[UNKNOWN]: Right above that.
[UNKNOWN]: So right below ours.
[UNKNOWN]: That surprises me mainly just because not necessarily because I think people would like Wendel more, but I know that yours takes into account just like how much
[UNKNOWN]: The player, and I feel like Wendell is such a positive person in the community that I feel like he would be boosted by that.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you always talk about Brian Haydich is your worst winner every time you're not yours.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you're fan rankings because you have a do you like this person.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, caveat in there.
[UNKNOWN]: And so for me, when I look at Wendell, I feel like that would carry him a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm surprised it doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing with Wendell is I noticed is, so I've been doing this drink since 2022, is that he was actually a lot higher.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was closer to what you just said, 24 around or 26 around the area.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the thing with D came out after her win, and her, well, I didn't know where she was going to be ranked honestly before that, because that came out so soon after her win, her helping Wendell cheat on his baby
[UNKNOWN]: Well, when that happened to his ranking, then dropped the next year.
[UNKNOWN]: It hasn't recovered since, but these did recover after 50.
[UNKNOWN]: So apparently, when it leads to play, again, so recovery is ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I, I thought, I mean, I just, I have to say on this, because every year, I, I love one domain.
[UNKNOWN]: And there I'll see more says, when on these stuff, got them ranked lower.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, my, my whole thing with that is like, people are sticking their noses where they don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, when you went up, did publicly confirm it.
[UNKNOWN]: He apologized, yeah, I mean, he, you know, I'm not going to get into the personal, but I don't know if the, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm not saying this is the fact that Frank, I'm just saying that there's one thing that will be to speculate about what he publicly confirmed, I think the kind of, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I, like, that shouldn't affect us when we're ranking, but it does seem reason.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we're venturing at this.
[UNKNOWN]: Why Aubrey wins in 50 is part of a collection of what we think about this person over multiple seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: But in these
[UNKNOWN]: And these newbies season, thankfully, that's not the case.
[UNKNOWN]: We only know them here.
[UNKNOWN]: So Wendell is up against Dom.
[UNKNOWN]: And honestly, Phil, I got to say, like, Wendell in the pre-merge, I feel like he's a lot, if I'm more calling, he's a lot quiet.
[UNKNOWN]: Very quiet.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, post-merge is really when him and Dom took off.
[UNKNOWN]: Though Dom, I think was a bigger president of the pre-merge, and then you saw him great on people in the post-merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Wendell was really great on people the same way.
[UNKNOWN]: What's also very interesting is if you actually look at how this season goes, Dom and Wendell are kind of up against the world on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's Dom and Wendell versus everybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: The show just doesn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, Bob Wendell and Laurel, because she was right in all the way, but she was always with them.
[UNKNOWN]: And the show just doesn't really edit it in a way to make it seem like that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Wendell goes to one tribal council in the pre-merge, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: his second vote of the season is Chris being voted out.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, him, Dom, and Morgan, all vote for Angela at the first tribal council.
[UNKNOWN]: They were wrong on that first vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when doing Dom or both left out, and then Dom throws the challenge, which this has been confirmed, he throws the challenge to get Bradley out of the game in episode six,
[UNKNOWN]: Wendell and Dom, like, are still kind of on the out.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Wendell has not voted correctly.
[UNKNOWN]: Dom just got rid of a naviti.
[UNKNOWN]: They just didn't really
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't really handle the, like the, this is a comeback story of that story very well.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's, I think, what bothers me.
[UNKNOWN]: The prewards was almost, to me, it felt solely focused on Don versus Chris.
[UNKNOWN]: Don versus Chris, Chris, if only they'd go tribal and do it out, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: That was like the entire prewards net, the merge obviously happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Chris, not playing his idol, and then,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We all saw Chris is the third biggest character this season of my opinion after Dom and Wendell.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think without a doubt.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean Chris is huge and then Stephanie Johnson was probably fourth and she's out in episode four.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Chris definitely should have been brought back.
[UNKNOWN]: for I don't know if there's a limited selection though for pre 40 people on 50, but Dom should have been on 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, my gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Dom should have been brought back and it's a shame they haven't brought him back.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Wendell though, I'm glad they brought back Williams award.
[UNKNOWN]: You didn't really.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't able to do much on where it's a war.
[UNKNOWN]: So really he's goes out in game.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Like where's the war doesn't affect my thoughts and it's going to go out in game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to go out in game is like, it's a solid game.
[UNKNOWN]: He was likable.
[UNKNOWN]: He was quiet.
[UNKNOWN]: He was not grading like Dom was, but Dom did appeal to people.
[UNKNOWN]: He still got five votes.
[UNKNOWN]: And it really felt like to me the season was why Dom lost less than Y-101.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I agree with you on that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's where it's always tough like when we talk about Wendell's game of like where does he fit in all this because he wasn't scheming in the same way that Sarah Lucina was scheming.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't he was making really good relationships but he's not walking around naming alliances like we'll see what Nick Wilson next.
[UNKNOWN]: He plays a really good social game but he doesn't have he doesn't do a kind of on his own or with like a bunch of random number ones.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't very much with the number one unlike what Tommy does.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Wendell's game is very replicable.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we've seen that in the new era of be the most likable person from your alliance.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we've seen a lot of people do that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Gayblur did that, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I think Gayblur was an example of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think that there's an argument that Mary Ann was an example of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Mary Ann doesn't sit next to anybody from her alliance.
[UNKNOWN]: But Erica is absolutely an example of this.
[UNKNOWN]: They liked her more than to Sean.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that whole starting tribe,
[UNKNOWN]: like to Erica more than they like to show on that's why Erica wins.
[UNKNOWN]: So to be able to go to the end with your closest ally and beat them is really impressive and it's hard to do very few winners have actually done that.
[UNKNOWN]: Camilla and Kyle said they couldn't they couldn't go to the end together.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they thought they would split votes.
[UNKNOWN]: JT though, crushed even.
[UNKNOWN]: I have one of those infamous examples of duo actually make to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony wanted to go to the end with Sarah and when there's a war, and I think Tony still won that.
[UNKNOWN]: If it had happened, I didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it was Todd and Amanda slash Courtney.
[UNKNOWN]: Todd obviously wins that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: very rarely do you see people who are this close actually sitting next to each other at the end and be able to go toe to toe because i think that's the other thing is like we've seen some really good alliances throughout survivor history where you might get multiple people the end and then one of them kind of gets all the credit and the other person gets just you know bashed in that that wasn't the case here
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, I really like, actually, I think it's one of the few enjoyable parts of season.
[UNKNOWN]: I do like the Chris versus Don Battle.
[UNKNOWN]: Once that's done, though, the season to me is just like a slog to finish, which is a chain because that's literally the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's one of the season peaks, and then, of course, the Thai vote is truly interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that Jeff's, like, I'm going to read the votes here on the island.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, oh my gosh, this really happening.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, that was the only time zone in that.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, more or less every week's like, I'm going to turn on that, and I'm taking off the gloves.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, all right, no, you're not.
[UNKNOWN]: Neural.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't even say what where do you think the season itself is ranked out of 50 42 close 45 right above Redemption Island right below 48.
[UNKNOWN]: So with that we got to say what's Wendell's worst move.
[UNKNOWN]: Worst move for Wendell for me would be I want to say
[UNKNOWN]: Letting Chris a worse move film try to say I honestly letting I don't know like well I would say letting Chris go as soon as he did I don't know like I think it's the early portion I think it's being on the wrong side of that first vote.
[UNKNOWN]: You're on a nine-person tribe and he is very much on the wrong side of that I mean getting rid of Chris at that point might take a Target away but like
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the thing with Chris was, Chris was never going to be seen as somebody that people were actually threatened with as a good player, but him having that idle, he would have played at the next tribal, uh, and he was never really going to work with Dom, and if Dom and Wendy were going to work with Chris, so I think I almost wonder if like, if he let Chris stay longer if it would help them more, because there's been more of a focus on Chris, like it worked out that everyone else is just kind of ironic for lack of a better
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, don't be like to normal season.
[UNKNOWN]: We get out of Chris there, feels like I'm a steak.
[UNKNOWN]: to me.
[UNKNOWN]: I hear what you're saying, but it's crazy because after that, it's a five four one vote or a six four one vote, where Michael, your place is idle.
[UNKNOWN]: Then it's an eight two vote on Desi.
[UNKNOWN]: Then they do a split tribal, your goes home, three nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: Caling goes home and and Dom and Wendell and Laurel have total control over that vote despite in fact that it's final seven.
[UNKNOWN]: They managed to get total control there.
[UNKNOWN]: The smashing going home, total control, Donna, then going home, total control.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they don't lose control after
[UNKNOWN]: when Morgan goes home, they could have lost control there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's true that could have, yeah, so I guess the pre-emerge vote, I always try to look like a post-emerge worst move, but I guess in this case, it really is just the pre-emerge vote in there.
[UNKNOWN]: When was lucky didn't go to an archrival, especially with that tribe, because who knows what would have happened, but I know there's definitely consistency with the lies, winners, where they don't go to a lot of tribals in the pre-emerge.
[UNKNOWN]: Denise and Philippines was like an exception of the rule.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, most winners only go in one to twice and it's like it just reveals less about their game to everybody to not go that much a lendal perfect case of going once didn't work out, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it didn't, it just, it really helps.
[UNKNOWN]: It really helps enough to be your cards early.
[UNKNOWN]: The longer you can wait to do that the better.
[UNKNOWN]: So what's one of those best move then?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let me throw this up.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Lied the impeller says should window get knocked as much as Rob for winning when the Cassie beats.
[UNKNOWN]: Rob's on his fourth time and doesn't have a dom or anybody even close to a dom on a season.
[UNKNOWN]: Same reason I wouldn't not Kim either for one world like she didn't put together the cast.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not a return me if you dominate a cast that just seems like they're not very good like good for you, but when it was Robin at this fourth time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the odds were already in this favor.
[UNKNOWN]: They knew what they were doing with Wendell.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know that they were putting
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like, it was, it was, it was a rental in Dom to win.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like, oh, here's the window in Dom show.
[UNKNOWN]: It just happened.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Or, or Wes, as we said at the beginning of this, or did they know that window was going to win?
[UNKNOWN]: And this was Wendell's show, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: They screwed terribly scripted season if they did that.
[UNKNOWN]: We're joking, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a game show.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't script it.
[UNKNOWN]: But just like one of the few season Jeff actually called the winner in advance.
[UNKNOWN]: Normally he's just so far off base.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeff, a lot of his winter picks though tend to be just be men.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not back and got like stats on that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I remember watching all the pre pre season stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's always like he picks a man to win basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go with the in terms of what I think his best move is like befriending Laurel as closely as he did is obviously his best game decision, but it's not really a move.
[UNKNOWN]: It pays off.
[UNKNOWN]: It gets him the win.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the boot of Kellin at Final 7.
[UNKNOWN]: is really good, uh, him, Dom and Laurel splitting the vote when who was it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was Angela Sebastian and Kellen all throw votes at Donafin and then Donafin throws a vote at Dom.
[UNKNOWN]: And like the way that that's navigated to get rid of Kellen there was really important.
[UNKNOWN]: I've heard from numerous different sources, whether it's players, whether it's people were just on that island.
[UNKNOWN]: Kellen was a lot more of a threat to win that season than the.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think getting rid of her there was the best move of the season for him.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if Jonathan was a big threat to, he wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: He was not okay.
[UNKNOWN]: He was just a big character for the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, but he wasn't okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Jonathan would have been a zero of a finalist.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe that Kelly was a bigger, it was a big threat to win if she had reached the end.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Chelsea too, like, wow, what a big character.
[UNKNOWN]: All of her moments really stood out to me.
[UNKNOWN]: beautiful.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Chelsea just, you know, I don't have to bring her back from when there's a war actually could have been the exception.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how people this is when the internet for me jumped the shark like the internet community of survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, every time I say this, people are like, you're part of the internet community.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, no shit.
[UNKNOWN]: I know where I am, but at the same time to say these things, because I witnessed for 11 years how the thing has changed.
[UNKNOWN]: This is where it jumped the shark for me when people started being like Chelsea's a robbed god is she deserved more screen time.
[UNKNOWN]: She's this.
[UNKNOWN]: She's that way.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Stop trying to pretend that Chelsea was a good character like Chelsea was a bad casting choice She said nothing in her confessionals.
[UNKNOWN]: She did nothing on the show and that's why she got her screen time That's just how it is so For me with Chelsea, no don't start pretending that Chelsea something she's not because she's not
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm just joking, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: But the stuff when he went, the purple edit to me became, because again, I didn't watch the show live during what, 15 through 31.
[UNKNOWN]: So I like when purple Kelly happened, I think too much of it, like bingeing through the seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: But watching the season live, I was like, who the flip is Chelsea?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I realized.
[UNKNOWN]: She's purple.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I always say people overuse the word purple.
[UNKNOWN]: Chelsea and Heather are purple.
[UNKNOWN]: Those are real.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there hasn't really been,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, when people start being like Tiffany was purple.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, no, he's not purple guys She was under edited but not purple.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she was under edited early and then definitely picked up, but yeah, I mean
[UNKNOWN]: Wendell does a bunch of other, you know, he's done like other reality shows, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He did the challenge, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: And did a show with Daniel Tosh as the host for the goat, I think?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, he did do the goat.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I feel like Wendell has the kind of personality.
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny that he's not the biggest character on this season, but he does have the personality to go and do a lot of other stuff, obviously, as his own HGTV show, or like works on his own HGTV show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I like that Wendell kind of found his niche after winning the season, and it's, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: What he's in now, he's an entertaining, very charming guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I see why they brought him back.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he was one of the people on 40.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, yeah, though, that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: On top of the fact that he was recent.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was racism, he buys the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, when will make sense?
[UNKNOWN]: There's just not enough, throw up through 40 and there's not enough, like, winners of color.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what to put that, like, but that point, when does like what this?
[UNKNOWN]: The third black winner?
[UNKNOWN]: Because you got to do everything him and their black male winner,
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that that three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Does that be a him and Jeremy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll think he's anyone else.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know what it was just a crazy stat of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they're all in there too.
[UNKNOWN]: So Earl, my apologies.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, Earl.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, four, four, my bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Earl, somebody who keeps falling through the cracks on them, bringing him back to which we've, he keeps taking his turn and down from what I understand.
[UNKNOWN]: He keep they keep offering and he keeps having something come up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, or unless it's snake in the grass, they're like, it's a two-day commitment.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, okay, I can do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that I can do.
[UNKNOWN]: I can do it today, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: You're a millionaire.
[UNKNOWN]: You're supposed to be doing nothing.
[UNKNOWN]: My bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, through.
[UNKNOWN]: I was the American, being second black female when I was like, I mean, black male, when you're said the men.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, when does the third one?
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, even Jeremy, if you're infamously get along really well on, when there's a war, so.
[UNKNOWN]: I like Wendell.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, the season itself is kind of a bore and I think it's part of why his ranking is not as high as it should be like a Thaivo with Dom at the end and it's broken by Laurel, you know, like on paper, it's super exciting, but in reality it's kind of like, yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: If you told me that somebody wanted to rank Wendell as a top 10 winner, I couldn't argue with them.
[UNKNOWN]: We ultimately landed with Wendell at 27 on our behind winner rankings for our podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know where I'd put him.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know he'd be top 10 because I've definitely said of quite a few people would be top 10, but he's not a bad winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there are winners who are just underwhelming, it's like, but one does not want to bump them.
[UNKNOWN]: It just is his business kind of, which kind of goes hand in hand, like I don't really want to rewatch one does season, you know, sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm almost there.
[UNKNOWN]: We just started here as healers, hustlers.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, how's that going so far?
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: It's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It's better than game changer.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: At least with the premiere of 35, it's a short episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It's 40 minutes, essentially.
[UNKNOWN]: We can grow along.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, hey, that's all I got for a window.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have anything else?
[UNKNOWN]: Now let's move on, we're going to Nick.
[UNKNOWN]: I love this season and I know I'm just one of everyone I'll say that, but this season is so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Even on this, you blew up is because you had crazy hot takes like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I love Dave Verskoliath.
[UNKNOWN]: Is what made you blow up?
[UNKNOWN]: Crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like to come in hot saying that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what it is?
[UNKNOWN]: Is that people have really knocked Nick.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're here to talk about Nick.
[UNKNOWN]: People really knocked Nick for his politics.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I try to take politics into account whenever I look at winners or people on survivor, with the exception of those who, like, Dan is an exception and scoop in our exceptions.
[UNKNOWN]: Outside of that, I'm not really caring about your beliefs on a suicide to show, unless, of course, the lines of mine, then I show favoritism.
[UNKNOWN]: I've already established that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: But outside, if it doesn't, like, if you're not like in the same page to me, like, I don't really care.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you're all equally the same politically, like, it's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: So I say it because Nick, I think he's been not a lot in the rankings because he's a politician now.
[UNKNOWN]: But I came out this season thinking like Nick was one of the best stories and the fact that he came full circle, he's like, you know, David became king.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on the David tribe and it's like it is a biblical theme and he had the biblical like story through line and like he just worked out incredibly well his story and when he revealed I think his mom died at the beginning of
[UNKNOWN]: The season's mom and his mom overdose, I think, on heroin.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's like that, but that showed in drag that out of him.
[UNKNOWN]: That wasn't a sad story.
[UNKNOWN]: Kind of talked with the Adam.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the show wasn't dragging that out of Adam.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam was just having these moments when Nick had that moment in the opening of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: He was like, wasn't even planning on doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Every other stuff and he just broke and opened up about like, I don't know, that's the kind of stuff like going to genuine it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not ripped.
[UNKNOWN]: because we're doing a sad story for you, that like that, that made me connect Nick.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it made me connect with Nick so quick whereas with Adam, his wasn't revealed until if I recall much later, like, half of his piece of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam was Nick, I think, with immediately.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Adam kept mentioning it like when he found the idol, he brought up the fact that he was playing for his mother and his mother was there with him and all that.
[UNKNOWN]: But Nick's opening story is like, this is who I'm playing for.
[UNKNOWN]: This is why I'm in a politician.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not a cancelful thing to say.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you want to cancel me, just don't leave a comment saying you're leaving because I don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: You're capable.
[UNKNOWN]: Fifty percent of the country votes Republican.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we can act like it's like it's 100% Democrat, zero percent Republican, but it's not.
[UNKNOWN]: It's 50, 50, like, or as close as you're going to be in a country the size of the United States of America.
[UNKNOWN]: So the election's been pretty darn close.
[UNKNOWN]: they're pretty darn close.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like nobody's blowing anybody away and then it's always like, you know, we don't have to get into the electoral college and stuff, but it's like the last presidential election, it was won by the popular vote was won by the Republican side.
[UNKNOWN]: And so my whole reason for saying that is just like, I understand that Nick's one bill or whatever it is, like I know that that one's weird.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, like everything that gets run through media, and this is why I don't care, I don't like the media, I don't follow media again, you know, we're over here doing this.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, I don't like the media at all.
[UNKNOWN]: And my whole thing is everything that we hear, all these headlines, whatever, it's going to take the most shocking thing almost every time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all about getting clicks nowadays.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same reason why it's like, you know, the world cup ends, and it's like early Holland has this to say about the United States.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a headline back in the day would have been
[UNKNOWN]: Early in Holland hates the United States or early in Holland loves French fries, but instead it's early in Holland has this French fries.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's a new thing is it's just to get them the click right you got a click so you can see what he says and here's seven paragraphs that you get our ads And so I don't know what this bill is because I didn't go and read it and that was really when people turned on Nick big time in the survivor community
[UNKNOWN]: I saw Nick at the finale for 50, he was there.
[UNKNOWN]: I talked to him, he remembered me.
[UNKNOWN]: And that says a lot, because I haven't talked to Nick since his season ended.
[UNKNOWN]: And the fact that he remembered who I am and like said my name makes me be like, okay, you know what, like this is a guy who we genuinely most have had some sort of connection when we talked the first time because you remember who I am.
[UNKNOWN]: So the whole point of this isn't to be like, I know Nick Wilson, the whole point of this is, I think that I've always tried to keep politics out of everything.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to make politics your entire personality,
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, if you do that on the show, okay, then I'm going to obviously take that into consideration when I'm talking about you right, it wasn't on the show it wasn't on the show and like I don't really care outside of the game, you know, what you're doing and so that's your that's your business that's what you want to do he's also, you know, got an R next to his name in a state that really doesn't get any deez, so maybe that's just away from the get elected.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no idea what his deal right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's in Kentucky.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's not.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, that's all just to say that when we talk about this, I want to talk about Nick's game and I know people are going to like hate on Nick because that's what ends up happening.
[UNKNOWN]: But I really do think that Nick plays a great game.
[UNKNOWN]: Now he only came in at 34 in our winter rankings because I do think that we, you know, even it's hard to take bias out.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's five of us voting on that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's hard to take bias out.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the same time,
[UNKNOWN]: I really think that the way he socialized with these players and what he does.
[UNKNOWN]: He does a great job.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was at Mike White's premiere party for 50 or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: People from his cast still get along with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I think that his social game cannot be underestimated and this is kind of a social era between Wendell, Nick, Tommy, even the way Tony plays and winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very social and I think Nick naming alliances and doing all of that was brilliant.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not sure he wasn't the first person in name alliances because I knew that was like, why don't people do that on the show?
[UNKNOWN]: Like they probably do showed him to make a thing, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: To like, on big brother, they're like, I'm in the extreme eight alliance.
[UNKNOWN]: That, and then goes boom, boom, and it makes the sound effect feel, boom, boom, it shows each face every single time the alliance is mentioned.
[UNKNOWN]: That's no joke, it does.
[UNKNOWN]: I've watched a season maybe it's
[UNKNOWN]: So Nick, yeah, names and lines comes and has the story of his mom, he's on the David, a tribe, which immediately has an audience, as you get there at the underdog, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we automatically is human to root for the underdog.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Nick is not my favorite person this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I Christian, obviously, fall by Angelina, fall by Davy.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't think
[UNKNOWN]: But next by like my fourth or fifth favorite, there's so many, this whole cast.
[UNKNOWN]: I love John Ray.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Dan is weird, but he's entertaining.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of great Natalie Cole is on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the only people I didn't care for this season were people that were like it.
[UNKNOWN]: early early.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I barely knew Jessica was by quit because you don't want to injure yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, like, but like shoot dude from the time, we get to Natalie all the way to the, like I like, every from Natalie to Nick, like I like, I like everybody, just like anybody.
[UNKNOWN]: And they all brought it to like they're all brought their different aspects to this season.
[UNKNOWN]: So Nick winning the season like his a fantastic season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think his win is underrated and all and I hope that eventually it recovers because he was just like window higher ranked, but then whatever the yeah, whatever the building referenced knocked him down.
[UNKNOWN]: So now guess where he's ranked.
[UNKNOWN]: No one keep that in mind.
[UNKNOWN]: Guess where he's ranked.
[UNKNOWN]: He's probably like 46 or 47.
[UNKNOWN]: 40.
[UNKNOWN]: He's right.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's way lower than he should be.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a little amber above Danny and I think that's a mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's higher than that.
[UNKNOWN]: Where did I put him in my personal?
[UNKNOWN]: Because we ended up having him coming at 34.
[UNKNOWN]: Totally.
[UNKNOWN]: And in my personal, I ring him at 33.
[UNKNOWN]: So right around there.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, now, where do you think the season itself ranks seven, third, three.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
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[UNKNOWN]: There are so many elements of survivor that are so bad on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: They just work out so perfectly on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's almost like I don't know if I want to hear really luck.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do I want the season and be like, this is top five all time.
[UNKNOWN]: When in reality, the cast making the moments is what made it great.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if anybody else goes home with the I don't know the fire as we see in season 39,
[UNKNOWN]: This is not as good of a season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it has to be Dan getting, I don't know if I'd add to the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise it doesn't work.
[UNKNOWN]: And a lot of things just worked.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like when they flip the coin in 50.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that would have been track.
[UNKNOWN]: If Devon's went on that coin, flip people would have trash that twist, but because he didn't, and because the price bought was doubled, people loved it all of a sudden.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's very, it's very results-oriented, but I'm not gonna knock this season.
[UNKNOWN]: The season worked.
[UNKNOWN]: I see some comments here on the livestream saying,
[UNKNOWN]: that you tell me what to make up.
[UNKNOWN]: Nick, no, Nick was like going to go first or that he wind or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: You can see that a little bit and I'm sure it was added out because he was going to be the winner and they want you to hear from him.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I guess I could see the potential for that because when there's a war, so not to like count a season against him, but to see like I saw this behavior on the ponderosive is a winner's a war.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, when he was like, why is nobody creding me for Sophie's vote out?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, dude, you're not in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not here to credit you anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: You're out of the game, Nick.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter what you did.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like a little whiny there, and of course he's like, why are they targeting me on my birthday?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know a little Rodney and I'm okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know the Rodney rule applied to other seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Nick, we all got a little Rodney.
[UNKNOWN]: Why are they targeting on my birthday?
[UNKNOWN]: Rodney makes me laugh so hard because like he gets so much crap for that, but then you have Nick Wilson who doesn't get crap for that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same thing and everybody with their birthdays and we get voted off on their birthday.
[UNKNOWN]: Nick's also next best move to me was winning the final string of immunities.
[UNKNOWN]: He needed that.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a need and I know I think the alliance as a whole their best moves obviously playing the idols though they did the vanges and everything and getting the result to get the numbers over July.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Nick himself personally, it's simple as it was winning this last few immunities.
[UNKNOWN]: He needed them because he was going after Davey.
[UNKNOWN]: He might have even gone, did he win when Davey went?
[UNKNOWN]: I think he might have gone when Davey.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he might have gone with Davey when I look real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think he's going to go to that one.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, Nick quantum unity the last three times he needed all three of them.
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing with the Nick is, I know that this isn't his move.
[UNKNOWN]: It's ultimately Mike White's move, but the moment where it's him and Lyraza and Mike who decide to take out Natalie, it was an angeline.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't vote that way.
[UNKNOWN]: It really, really is impressive how Nick handles that and makes the rock stars and goes through.
[UNKNOWN]: And then at the next vote ensures that it's going to be learsa and not him.
[UNKNOWN]: And like Nick doesn't really really good job of handling that and just kind of having his finger on the pulse of what people were doing the entire time.
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I think his best move was probably that one.
[UNKNOWN]: I also think though an underrated move of his might be voting for Christian at the episode where Gabby goes home, kind of showing that he's willing to work with the goliots, even though he knows that Christian could have an idol, being willing to work with them and have one of his own go home shows that he's willing to go that route.
[UNKNOWN]: And at that point, Alice and Cara Antelina Mike, they're going to have the numbers after all this.
[UNKNOWN]: And so use the relationship you have with my.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: And do the best you can with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't watched Averace Goliath and long enough that I don't.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't pinpoint something more specific than that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just feel like he does such a great job of navigating it.
[UNKNOWN]: Another one is playing the the extra vote on on Dan when Dan ultimately gets idle out of the game or it's the right.
[UNKNOWN]: And he steals that's where he steals Allison's vote.
[UNKNOWN]: And it throws
[UNKNOWN]: And so they don't know what to do and Dan sees through it, but Nick also is like, doesn't really matter, because I know we have the, I don't know the fire.
[UNKNOWN]: So how good of a move is it really that he's using that at this tribal?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: You could argue it's not great, but if Allison ends up voting there, I think it would have been like five, it could have been five or something along those lines.
[UNKNOWN]: Or like, you know, they still could have had the numbers, because it's a 632 vote.
[UNKNOWN]: So,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, maybe it's a great move.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's not great.
[UNKNOWN]: But to me, it works and that's that's at the end of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: What matters credit to Nick.
[UNKNOWN]: You got no votes against them all game.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, only raising three votes off a perfect game is because Mike gets three votes though.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm wondering.
[UNKNOWN]: I.
[UNKNOWN]: So Christian will say that he voted for Mike and that Mike gets his vote, you know, and he earned it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's kind of crazy me and Christian didn't vote for Nick and I almost wonder if after 50 Christian, I don't know, Christian's not the kind of person now, so maybe when Christian wish he had voted for Nick instead, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It just feels like Mike and Nick or Mike and Christian never really,
[UNKNOWN]: worked out even though I don't know I think it's too deep about this I think you're thinking too deep about it I think at the end of the day Christians playing a character a little bit and I think on the first season He wasn't playing it as much and I think on the on season 50 I think he was playing a character a little bit I think part of him wanted to take out like I think part of him wanted to make that happen He wasn't gonna go full Jerry on Colby back in all stars being like I just need to go one place better than him But I think
[UNKNOWN]: The part of Christian was saying, I want to beat Mike this time and I want to get one over on Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: There's like, you know, that just came out this week's fill.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't move the channel name top of my hand.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's key in, but I think I'm saying it wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: K-E-Y-A-N. You released a video called the generational fall off of Superb.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: You saw this, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't watch it, but I saw it was like two hours longer, something.
[UNKNOWN]: I watched all, it was intriguing.
[UNKNOWN]: He, that guy clearly follows my channel.
[UNKNOWN]: He literally said it
[UNKNOWN]: I could tell because a lot of the clips in like, there were some things, I'm like, don't only place you to found out I would've been watching one of my videos because like these some deep cut stuff that I've seen nowhere else except like on some of my videos, which was really cool to see like expose to a bigger audience, but Christian I think is the pinned comment on there now.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, it's true, Survivor told me to say that the idols, I always wanted screen time and Survivor always told me to call the idol the Star Wars galactic something, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: So like,
[UNKNOWN]: Christian, I don't know, like, I think Christian did play up a 50, but I think here, I don't know if he's playing up as much or if he was just, this is more genuine to him and I've felt like 50 was he, he definitely knew what people liked, but it didn't feel too off because he was already kind of like that on 37.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know if that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he definitely was more of a character on 50, but here he was just himself, but it's like it wasn't too far off the two.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think that we are seeing just like a more, I just felt more over the top for me with the action in season 50.
[UNKNOWN]: And I still enjoyed Christian, like, don't get me wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I just feel like, I mean, if Christian wants to come back and play a third time, sorry, but I'm ready to watch Christian play a third time.
[UNKNOWN]: I just feel like he played it up a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I also feel like,
[UNKNOWN]: Nick, it being a politician.
[UNKNOWN]: He probably sees the rude people a lot because he's dealing with other politicians and like that's how politicians are.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Your shorts for lying.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they're gonna say to you what you wanna hear, why don't you wanna hear it and you're gonna figure out like, is he saying this because he wants my vote?
[UNKNOWN]: Or is he saying this because he actually believes it?
[UNKNOWN]: I bet you Nick's really good at that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that could be part of the reason my Christian also drove him a little crazy because maybe with Christian it just felt like
[UNKNOWN]: I don't feel like you're being completely sincere and I know ultimately that, you know, there's ulterior motives here because that's my whole life is people with ulterior motives.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not anti people hand me enough, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw so many comments, Christian definitely handed up.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not anti-hand me enough, devins handed up 250 people loved me.
[UNKNOWN]: No, except for the dance montage thing was stupid and bullshit and never needs to be on survivor again.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony did the same thing when he was a war.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just an extra scene that they cut from the show.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, we're talking about some top tier players here.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony did the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He'd be like, cartwheels in the beach for their drone shot, but it was a cut scene from the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Seeker scene.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, anyways, so we've talked about next best move.
[UNKNOWN]: Talk to your stats.
[UNKNOWN]: What's his worst move this to be in it has to be yeah, because they, like, Episode two, didn't they say like we were going to book neck.
[UNKNOWN]: He was going home and and that,
[UNKNOWN]: So I always talk about this like, was it the edit, I think with Harvey on Micronesia, it's the edit and then fair play does like the half-quake get vote out, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Harvey wasn't going up so far.
[UNKNOWN]: Harvey wasn't going home for some of the season, but because you know when the season, good storytelling is, make your...
[UNKNOWN]: a venture top dog and underdog.
[UNKNOWN]: Nick was going home at the first tribal council.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Pat is made to look like it's between the two of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I think almost every person I've met, I want to say that I've talked to eight of the ten people on the David tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: Almost every one of them says Nick was going home.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Nick was done that night and Nick ends up surviving because packets met a bag and he rebounds nicely because then Jessica ends up going at the next level like they lose the next one and he's able to rebound immediately, but he was he was doing because people just did not like him on day one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this cast is the I think the new era equivalent is 46.
[UNKNOWN]: for me to this cast, that's the new era equivalent of this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is such a shame we didn't get an all-stars cast or whatever for all of these play.
[UNKNOWN]: There's so many players just from the season alone.
[UNKNOWN]: Let alone from all the 30s, you know, from post game changers, you know, but, you know, just so many people, I want to be a drop-back, and I feel like it's gonna be too late by the time they decide to do it, if they do it.
[UNKNOWN]: We did not too long ago a Patreon episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was literally Wednesday's episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We did a rock draw of what would it have been?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, it was it was for our first episode time.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: It was what if they had done game changers after David Verscaliah, rather than after season 33.
[UNKNOWN]: So you had more season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh my god, what a cast that would have been.
[UNKNOWN]: They really, it really should have been 49 as much people like Rizzo in Savannah, 49 should have been the new air all stars with 50 being.
[UNKNOWN]: the season it was and of course whoever and they would have they would need to pick their all stars to not be the same people on 50 it would be two separate yeah we should be repeating those seasons um and they golfed call all stars that's just the general ideas that's the all star season 49 and then but is it really though at that point or is it all or is it like our B team because the 12 new era all stars the easiest way to do it was just season 49 was new era all stars season 50 is survivor legends that's the
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not this is why I'm not in charge.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why they didn't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: It seemed like such a slam dunk.
[UNKNOWN]: It made sense.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can like it's like well, why didn't we get this new error player?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, they had two seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if they must have been that great to not be at a 49 or 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, now we've got Joe and Camille and Kyle in 49 that we wouldn't have to put that one 50 because that's too harsh That's not ants like Kyle, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: I just didn't want winners on 50 But or if you're gonna do winners on 50 make it a full legend season and then it makes sense that we're having some winners on 50 Yeah, but it back to the earlier winners too that we didn't see a winners alone.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like Todd and Visepia.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yes
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, older winners that we didn't see on winners or would be cool.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, they didn't do it.
[UNKNOWN]: If it's in but for candy and that's with all the merry Christmas as Colby said.
[UNKNOWN]: So Nick, anything else for Nick, I don't it's a fan.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a very straightforward winner on a really big cast.
[UNKNOWN]: And the show, I think, does a better job of showing Nick's game than they did of showing Windows game, but I think that was also inherent of you're on the David tribe, tell your David story.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was really easy for the story producers and everything to get that story rolling right off the bat.
[UNKNOWN]: And they just cook.
[UNKNOWN]: And honestly, I think they do a really good job.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a cast like you really mentioned Angelina.
[UNKNOWN]: Davey Christian Gabby Johnny Mundo Dan you also in there you have Carl you have Kara I mean Allison gets totally overshadowed, but you also have Mike White like you have so many characters in the post merge who are such big personalities
[UNKNOWN]: Nick's not going to be an all star character.
[UNKNOWN]: He plays a really, really, really good game.
[UNKNOWN]: And I hope that eventually people kind of, you know, if you, if you are a left leaning or fully left person, I do hope that at some point there's like a little bit of separation of artists from art because and I'm not saying, you know, I'm not calling politicians artists trust me.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel very opposite of that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the politics from the survivor player.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I always just say artists from art because, you know, I love American beauty and when you talk about Kevin Spacey, that's not exactly a good thing to be talking about.
[UNKNOWN]: So Kevin Spacey, oh man, I want to say though, I think something that really defines my diverse life starts so strong.
[UNKNOWN]: despite the great cast is that the theme is story focused.
[UNKNOWN]: So you'll know there's a theme where when the theme of the season is story focused, it tends to have a better story, not always, fans are a favorites too, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: But look at fans are favorites, like here's those villains, like a second chance, look at diverse colliant, like these are story-driven themes, and therefore the story has a natural starting place.
[UNKNOWN]: How it develops is up to the players.
[UNKNOWN]: But where it starts is like a very defined like clear like I get it right out the gate.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's versus killer versus hustlers is a bad story theme because everyone can't be a hero.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a nonsense theme.
[UNKNOWN]: There is a diverse glide makes more sense.
[UNKNOWN]: That is instantly get it.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's you can't everyone can't be a hero.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's new air and nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: Everyone can't be a hero.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why heroes versus villains work so well because like obviously I talk about you know I'm a pretty big Disney fan And I talk about Disney a lot when my wife and I lived in Florida We went all the time and like what were the things that Disney's adding?
[UNKNOWN]: They're adding more shows about their villains than their heroes really because people love a good villain And that's why you know whether it's Disney whether it's Darth Vader which you know now is Disney But it wasn't always Disney
[UNKNOWN]: Like whatever it is, people don't remember Hannibal Lecter, more than they're going to remember Clarice Starling, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: So for me, it's like people love a good villain.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why heroes versus villains work.
[UNKNOWN]: But heroes versus healers versus hustlers.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, well, of course you're going to root for the hero.
[UNKNOWN]: That's yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: to hero.
[UNKNOWN]: And the theme of Brains vs. Bravers' beauty was kind of honestly, I never really came to the theme, the cast work made those seasons of work.
[UNKNOWN]: And then what millennials just gen X is the same thing as like a diverse glass, here's what's villains like I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's a side to root for.
[UNKNOWN]: It's generally better root for.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether people want to admit or not, it's cheesy as a theme was, you immediately are going to root for a side.
[UNKNOWN]: game changers.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not story-driven theme.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not a story-driven theme.
[UNKNOWN]: Go sounds not a story-driven theme.
[UNKNOWN]: Edge of Extensions is a story that they had in mind but the theme itself Edge of Extensions is a story-driven theme.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not story driven theme.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, you know, to consistency with the non story driven themes, tend to struggle more with their story because there's not a natural starting point.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, yeah, this is one of one stuff fell on a camp.
[UNKNOWN]: It hurts me to listen Jeff on his, I believe now, canceled podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see if you want to bring it back.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't I think it got canceled like why was it not on during 50 like a huge season whatever anyways So if it comes back fantastic, I want to come back.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not I'm just like like don't just don't spit my face and tell me it's rain Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: So they don't do the story-driven themes and just like, so hard to come up with themes.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, what are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: There's so many story-driven themes out there you could do.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't have to just, I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, when you look back, if you look back, it makes sense, but I think the show never looks back.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, so I forget to tell in history, and that's where it goes wrong in its future seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: So like, David's glass can be the last really great season could as agreed upon by everyone for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: I know winners of wars really liked.
[UNKNOWN]: But this is the last, like, really beloved season for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's because it's a story driven theme.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Survivors a story driven show driven by its characters.
[UNKNOWN]: The gameplay is honestly secondary to the story.
[UNKNOWN]: I know not everybody likes that, but it is.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I mean, when there's at war as popular, because people think they like it more than they do.
[UNKNOWN]: When I watch 41 and they tell me that this is the first time they start without rice.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, what are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about is your first time without rice?
[UNKNOWN]: You've done this many times before.
[UNKNOWN]: Stop spitting my face and saying it's rain.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, little side rent there, that's why these seasons are better because they have story-driven themes to drive them on these edited shows.
[UNKNOWN]: If big brother doesn't need that, because big brother's not, for example,
[UNKNOWN]: doesn't need, doesn't need a story-driven theme.
[UNKNOWN]: It wouldn't work because they don't know how the story's going to play out.
[UNKNOWN]: This show knows how the story plays out.
[UNKNOWN]: They know where they're going with it and how they're, anyways.
[UNKNOWN]: So, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on to editing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so, Jeff, the pronounced speaking of things without any type of storyline.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about Chris Underwood's win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I gotta say though, this season, the first time through, I don't, I think first time through, it's, I get why people are like, this is a terrible season.
[UNKNOWN]: The rewatch only because you know who the winner already is really helps.
[UNKNOWN]: Only because you understand the buildup of Rick Devons, but like, I get why in a first watch this season, it's not really like, I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what, but second time through, it's a lot better.
[UNKNOWN]: you know what the problem is?
[UNKNOWN]: I like Chris.
[UNKNOWN]: I like Chris as a guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Chris was a huge fan of survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Chris wanted to come out there and play the game and be a great survivor player.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing for me is you watch all this crazy stuff happen and it's totally pointless.
[UNKNOWN]: And as somebody who is obsessed with storytelling, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I do a survivor podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I do movie podcasts, like I worked in film and now I work in even with sports, like sports is all about story.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't help it, but when I sit here and I watch something where it has no purpose.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't care how good an episode is.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I always think about the last of episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you watch the last of us or no?
[UNKNOWN]: I watched the like part of the first season this I played the game so I didn't really I didn't really actually really latch on the show's hard.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't watch the next game in episode.
[UNKNOWN]: I knew where it was going so I didn't watch this.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't want to like, I want to do that again.
[UNKNOWN]: But did you watch the first season that got from an episode or not?
[UNKNOWN]: I did.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I did got.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I got that far is that I'm sorry if that was early.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's like episode three or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: made episode of TV.
[UNKNOWN]: An episode that people were like going crazy over.
[UNKNOWN]: They loved it so much.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, well, we get to know these characters.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: The show, the movie, it games only had two main characters.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So exactly, this is my point.
[UNKNOWN]: It's come across me.
[UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing for me is that episode for as good as it is has really nothing to do with Joel and Ellie's story.
[UNKNOWN]: like it ends up that Joel and Ellie get there and it's like, oh, this is when those characters don't come back, we never see them again.
[UNKNOWN]: At the end of the day, it's a bottle episode.
[UNKNOWN]: It's there to serve the purpose.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is a heartfelt, good, well-made episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, did it in the bottle episode?
[UNKNOWN]: It seems like eight episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and in the grand scheme of the show,
[UNKNOWN]: it's not actually really doing anything to progress the story and that is my biggest point of the short seasons like what are we doing that is my biggest complaint about edge of extinction i didn't watch season two last of us but um there's my biggest complaint with edge of extinction we of course she's not only had mine up the bottom really really really good stuff the thing is
[UNKNOWN]: No matter how much good stuff we're watching, none of it matters.
[UNKNOWN]: None of it matters.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter that Victoria's making good moves.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter that Wardog and Kelly and Lauren are coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter what Devon's does, the entire post merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Because in the body that we're actually watching, play the game, wins the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And our group of Devon's does matter, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because he loses, and he's the adversary that Christ needs to take down, but I don't know why they built up, they built up devins so that when the Chris knocks him down,
[UNKNOWN]: you understand why Chris won.
[UNKNOWN]: So like all that devins build up on top of them being great character is I argue that's the only thing I actually work story-wise otherwise I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: The story is just like, they've shot themselves in the foot.
[UNKNOWN]: If now he hasn't had one in his or her, they would shot themselves in the foot again with the story.
[UNKNOWN]: The biggest problem with Chris coming back is I'm now gonna say Nick because Diabetics survivor has Nick off from it down there.
[UNKNOWN]: who were already watching as our hero who returned and is the underdog who came back from edge of extinction is gonna win.
[UNKNOWN]: So then to watch that player get cut at the last second by somebody we didn't relate to, that's not satisfying.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not satisfying.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it would have been better if Devons was a villain, but they couldn't just force him to be a villain.
[UNKNOWN]: They couldn't edit him to be a villain, because had Devons been a dominating villain in Shire Pose Mards, people were tuned out probably, and then, of course, comment came in and knocked out the villain, but Devons was not a villain.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they could not change that.
[UNKNOWN]: The jury was so much on board of Devons that they shot themselves in the foot.
[UNKNOWN]: The theme shot, the story in the foot, so it only works in its own weird way on a rewatch in my opinion.
[UNKNOWN]: And John always talks about how much he respects Chris's game more.
[UNKNOWN]: He says the edge of Extinction's additional tribe in the game, which still required you to play the social game Natalie losing from the edge makes Chris win better.
[UNKNOWN]: I get that's not the worst.
[UNKNOWN]: Chris of no advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: The only Natalie I met challenge if I was.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, no advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but when he came back in the game, he knew we're all the information wasn't my biggest problem is yeah, it's a lot easier to play the social game when you know people can't vote you out when they you know that they're just going to tell you the truth because there's literally no reason to backstab or lie to you, we only one of you is getting back in and the only reason you're going to play the social game with them is because you want to get their votes if they make the jury it's a lot easier to do that because you never have to backstab a single person who is not trial fill.
[UNKNOWN]: This is my whole thing though, is like Chris his final episode.
[UNKNOWN]: He does every single thing, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He plays an absolutely perfect final episode of TV.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's a movie episode, but it's phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the day, how can you really be overly satisfied?
[UNKNOWN]: This is all coming back to you just being like, it's better on a rewatch.
[UNKNOWN]: I just can't get behind it because I know that ultimately I could skip episodes five through five and a half and I wouldn't care.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think only you can up, you can skip, I think it's why they did a double boot by the way on the episode five for Aubrey and Wendy.
[UNKNOWN]: Meaning like the episode was a two-booter because they knew that didn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: Aubrey and Wendy go,
[UNKNOWN]: you know, unimportant, when the ends of quitting the edge, Aubrey ultimately an on factor in the overall story.
[UNKNOWN]: So once Devons got involved in episode four, they're like, we needed to the merge as fast as possible, because this story doesn't matter in between.
[UNKNOWN]: So thankfully, there's not two episodes in between Devons and the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the one thing I'll give them, like, the producers, whoever is in charge of that stuff, like, well, we got to do a double boot, like, otherwise work.
[UNKNOWN]: Two weeks were spinning our wheels for no reason.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not their fault.
[UNKNOWN]: That's whoever decides to do the edge of
[UNKNOWN]: not going to name names.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I, I, I get it, but you know, so when you talk about Chris is when, are you an automatic Chris is 50 if you were to rank off of the winners?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so we'll speaking of which, where do you think he's fall?
[UNKNOWN]: He gets right.
[UNKNOWN]: He should be fit in my Brian Heidi gets 50 or just crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Which, which by the way, again, you might have to take out the likeability factor of your ranking because Brian Heidi, we have Brian Heidi come in.
[UNKNOWN]: at 21 on ours and I think that's super low.
[UNKNOWN]: I have done a version of this poll where that was not a fact, Brian Highty still got last.
[UNKNOWN]: So I just added in.
[UNKNOWN]: I added like, that was a new poll to watch Thailand.
[UNKNOWN]: So polls rolled over the years.
[UNKNOWN]: Brian Highty does not move regardless of how the poll has evolved.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's going to do it with people who are already factoring with they don't like Brian.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess when you're I say I know I'm just I'm just giving you a hard to I just I can't believe that your audience ranks Brian at 50 because it's just so wrong anyway The season I mean he has to be 49 that he is 49 if yes, yeah, it's really obvious reason if he's the only winner of you voted off and it's like if I had to rank them I would probably say the same thing it's simply because he got voted off like you got voted off
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't have to be like dollars all the same though, like his money bar weren't just much as nicks and Tommy's, you know, but Yeah, I get why they didn't bring him back from when there's a war to They could have, I'm I get why they didn't though Who would he if you replaced what if if you replaced Ben Dreeberg and would you been okay with that?
[UNKNOWN]: I actually so I lost you there
[UNKNOWN]: I actually, I actually think he would have been a more interesting, he would have been one of the more interesting picks for winners at war because I actually think Chris has what it takes to win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Would he have been a better pick than Benjrey, because I think that's the only person I would replace.
[UNKNOWN]: on winners of war with courage.
[UNKNOWN]: It's tough with Ben, because as much as the community might not love Ben, the casual audience loved Ben.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Ben is like everything the casual audience could have had.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a showman with the idols and the advantages, he's winning challenges, he gets the W, he's a veteran, he's got the big hat, so he's got a character element, he's never like you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I think Ben's probably on there no matter what I do think ultimately they'll have to watch in the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Chris under would have been better because I think Chris would have had so much to prove and I think that this season was kind it was it was pretty much too big for Ben.
[UNKNOWN]: He makes it really far but I think it was too big for him.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Chris quits.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's where I get with Ben on Wednesday or I have nothing against Ben's 35 game in terms of what do you know where's the or why I watch where's the or I'm like
[UNKNOWN]: Really you quit the game though.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, didn't even try to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that really bugs me.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why I say anyone else replacing Ben would have been great only in retrospect, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that the time it made sense to cast them.
[UNKNOWN]: They really did so this is going to be an easy one.
[UNKNOWN]: What's Chris's worst move.
[UNKNOWN]: Getting voted out.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, the game only when are we going to say that for what's his best move, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I probably think the best move, and this is what's hard.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, his best move absolutely is putting himself in fire against devins because the, but again, this is goes back to everybody on his extinction told him exactly what to do if the time he came back into the game.
[UNKNOWN]: But he really great.
[UNKNOWN]: Lauren has an idol.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this is the difference between him and Natalie Anderson.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: He actually does put himself in a position where he's putting his game at risk and saying, I need to do everything possible to win this game.
[UNKNOWN]: And Natalie doesn't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie looks at it as I want immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: That should be enough.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins immunity, then puts himself in fire against the best person still left in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And now you say to the people on edge of extinction, look, I might have been the third person go to the end of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: but I did every single thing in my power to win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: You cannot ask for more for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And honestly, I still think Gavin should have beaten him.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the day, if that's what this jury wanted to vote for, that is what this jury wanted to vote for.
[UNKNOWN]: And he knew what he needed to do to Wayne and he did it.
[UNKNOWN]: So he also lived with him.
[UNKNOWN]: He lived with the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: What an advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: one advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: It is the dumbest twist in the history of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it is absolutely marana.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the most unbalanced twist.
[UNKNOWN]: It's ironic given that Jeff always knocked season seven parlions for doing the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Except people want to claim it's because Jeff didn't like that they stayed in hotel or whatever or are 10 right in a gap food.
[UNKNOWN]: Gives a rip, like Jeff was knocking a thing for years and years and years and years and years just to add up doing basically the same thing, like based the only differences they're being filmed and they're starving.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean the same idea.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and what bothers me so much is like with redemption island it was hey, I'm going to compete against you tomorrow I don't want you to eat.
[UNKNOWN]: I want you to this face.
[UNKNOWN]: It was hey.
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to do a challenge at some point to get back in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so you're pissed off.
[UNKNOWN]: You're voted out.
[UNKNOWN]: You're sitting over there with a bunch of other people or pissed off.
[UNKNOWN]: They were voted out and you're just bonding over the fact that you're on the top.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think redemption island is definitely the only appropriate one they've come up with so far out there's another idea of people coming back in the game because There's the multiple challenges or if you only if you go go out right the end you only do one challenge but like that works because you earned only having to compete in one challenge because you survived in the proper game that long I think it's the only version that's okay is that redemption island the edge of extinction both times what a bus edge
[UNKNOWN]: The actually edge of extinction is so hard, edge of extinction is such a broken mechanism because you you're not doing anything to earn your spot to stay on edge of extinction.
[UNKNOWN]: You're sitting there.
[UNKNOWN]: And I understand that they're hungry and they're not eating as much and whatever, but at the end of the day, they're still on a reality TV show and the production team's not going to let them die.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe if the edge of extinction also held a vote every episode, to vote one of their people, I'd never need it to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if that happens on top of the regular, I don't know how that looks by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we need a tribal council to be completely clear.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this only works under the circumstances of 90 minute episodes, not the episode time actually had, which was
[UNKNOWN]: not much.
[UNKNOWN]: With the new era and 90 maps, that's the only way edge of extinction.
[UNKNOWN]: I think works in a way where people are like, okay, this makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: They're voting each other off as they go until the edge of extinction only has, I don't know, two people left or one person.
[UNKNOWN]: I assume two people left and then they do a final challenge to get back in the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And at that point,
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what point the game they get back.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it has to be the finale for some reason always.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, even then, Edward sinks into broken concept.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think this season though, had a better version of it because it was truly, you're just on the edge and then that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's no like fire tokens.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no the longer you're there, the more advantages you can buy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not in that nonsense that Natalie benefit it from.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not her fault.
[UNKNOWN]: Which is crazy because
[UNKNOWN]: The longer you're there, the more advantages you can buy.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're actually being rewarded for being knocked out first.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like, what do we, it's almost like Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: I wonder if so for winners of war.
[UNKNOWN]: This is worth, by the way, Chris's best move was everything you did in the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: Really, I agree with you, knocking out devins was obviously huge.
[UNKNOWN]: I stand by that, I think unless you know for a fact, you have the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you're like in a rob, fill up Natalie's situation on Redemption Island that you should put yourself in fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Not everyone agrees that and like historically the person who wins fire gets second more times than they at first, but I always think that the fire helps that person.
[UNKNOWN]: That person who gains second regardless, I think fire helps them every time.
[UNKNOWN]: I think for me it really comes down to like how confident are you in your game.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you feel that you need to do something else and that giving somebody else that win,
[UNKNOWN]: is going to help.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: But I probably don't should have put himself in fire and it's one of them.
[UNKNOWN]: If don't put himself in fire against one of he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a situation though.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's like Camilla and Kyle, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I know Kyle ultimately doesn't put himself in fire and it ends up being Evaverse Camilla.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Kyle realistically, Kyle should have went and sat down next to Eva.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure Eva, I'm sorry, next to Camilla to ensure Camilla is out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Kyle lucked out.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, whereas Dom did not luck out.
[UNKNOWN]: Dom should have gone.
[UNKNOWN]: We should talk about their gross out segment.
[UNKNOWN]: Dom should have put himself up against Wendell.
[UNKNOWN]: He did not.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was, of course, but Dom only won vote off at the end of the day.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Wendell came in in landslide victory.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was.
[UNKNOWN]: Flip and close regardless of when to winning fire, but here like Chris needed to do it, Nick did not need to do it, good read.
[UNKNOWN]: He had the right group that Nick did not need it.
[UNKNOWN]: The jury was in the next favor.
[UNKNOWN]: He was winning against Kara and Allison.
[UNKNOWN]: He's winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Nick won.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't need to.
[UNKNOWN]: Tommy didn't have the choice to go in a fire.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it could have begged to go in a fire.
[UNKNOWN]: But as we saw, you didn't need it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I wasn't one, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: But Tony, when Tony, like, got the end, he didn't need to make fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it doesn't, but when he gets in the air, I feel like it's more consistent.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, you should have made, I know you won, but it really felt like you should have made fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you kind of lucked out that the fire didn't hurt you.
[UNKNOWN]: Though we'll see that instantly at 43 when Cassidy should have made fire and did not.
[UNKNOWN]: And she would have lost the game, where though.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, she should have put herself up.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, well, okay, she'll have to get it where anyways, I guess what's the difference.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the thing is like, she has to go up against Jessie.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not gonna be gay blur in it and then if she beats Jesse, I think she might still lose to gay blur.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I see.
[UNKNOWN]: She would put herself in fire and Jesse beat him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll talk about the season next time, but for right now.
[UNKNOWN]: I am of the, and even if it's not factually correct, I guess I'm of the gut instinct for issue.
[UNKNOWN]: If I were to play survivor, put myself in fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I stand by.
[UNKNOWN]: I put myself in fire.
[UNKNOWN]: I would need to know I'm against.
[UNKNOWN]: three people in the file four who are all just terrible and I'd be like who cast this season.
[UNKNOWN]: How did I get to file four and I'm the most likable, you know, like that's a mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a bad badly cast season.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I would be saying on those.
[UNKNOWN]: I would know that I was the most likable, so I wouldn't need to.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, good for you, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: I would be like, they're, they're, this is a bad cast.
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm the most like, you know, my poker.
[UNKNOWN]: So I would, I would put myself in fire and admire what.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think actually the end of the boss move to win immunity and then do that and then knock out that person.
[UNKNOWN]: As long as you're at cocky about it, you have to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, like, I need to do this for my game and be humble about it and not be cocky about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Cause cockiness.
[UNKNOWN]: This is going to rub people the wrong way.
[UNKNOWN]: So all that to say, this season, um, good on a rewatch my opinion, Phil doesn't think it's good at all, though.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what it is?
[UNKNOWN]: I actually like the cast, but comma just gets so overshadowed and you're watching all these players.
[UNKNOWN]: It just for me, it just, I want to watch the storyline and there's no storyline to actually watch your hero.
[UNKNOWN]: None of your heroes or villains are involved in the endgame.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's a part of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Diabetics, Sir I was at the best, Laura would have seen the fire and don's eyes and he would have won.
[UNKNOWN]: The glint, the glint, and it's all designed.
[UNKNOWN]: the glint lines would have got.
[UNKNOWN]: We would have robbed.
[UNKNOWN]: I know we didn't talk about Chris for that long, but I feel like we covered every single thing in his game.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think the, I think a big factor is that they did nothing with Chris the first three episodes and they knew what was going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: They should have played them up more.
[UNKNOWN]: They could have established them as a here's a favorite pre-march character.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, he went out.
[UNKNOWN]: That sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: And they didn't even do that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we could have forgotten about him like we did when he was on the edge.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we could have basically forgotten about the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: But they did nothing for three episodes.
[UNKNOWN]: So the only time we really get to know him is the finale.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wonder if that was purposeful failed the story because they didn't want to make him like out to be too obvious if he got back in, but at the same time like rain got a great at it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I then got a great editor early and like you see these people.
[UNKNOWN]: So I feel like Chris they they needed to do more with him early on and and not not make it obvious but really make it where like he's more competent of a player than than going out third.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they should have made they should have not hyped him up to be obviously he was going to come back but definitely made him like, oh, he just got the short on the stick.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a much better player.
[UNKNOWN]: They could they could have if they wanted to.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm reading the fantastic character I love for you.
[UNKNOWN]: I love yours.
[UNKNOWN]: That she's the only, she's not the one.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the one character on the edge of the stage that made the edge of the stage.
[UNKNOWN]: Edge of the stage, like when they too didn't like, okay, what is reading, are you going to say this week?
[UNKNOWN]: Screw you, dude.
[UNKNOWN]: You think you're going to have a good time here?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We're eating.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, okay, you ready to move on to Tommy?
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on to Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: So here's what's funny about Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: And I want to start here on Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: I know that you had mentioned that Tommy was ranked pretty low.
[UNKNOWN]: What's so funny to me?
[UNKNOWN]: I really love Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like this out into the Itals cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I, this was again, like when we were at kind of the hype of everything, we're going into winners at war, COVID's not a thing yet, so everybody's like really still interacting a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: And I got to know the out into the Itals cast a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: So I like Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't want to over-rank Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Tommy's game was great.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he was really, really good.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Darrell says here Tommy is so bland.
[UNKNOWN]: I know some people don't like his personality on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, what about one second?
[UNKNOWN]: We got to go back for a second, Bill.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: How many votes was Chris off from a perfect game?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, God.
[UNKNOWN]: 16.
[UNKNOWN]: No, 13, he actually is one less than Benjryberg and wow, like he's not the worst Benjryberg and by numbers only on perfect game stat is worse.
[UNKNOWN]: Chris is the second worst.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I had it, we forgot to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, that's actually insane.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, back to Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so with Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: With Tommy, I didn't want to overrank him.
[UNKNOWN]: So I ranked him at 32.
[UNKNOWN]: are total ranking ended up coming in with him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think at 29.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Hang on.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me see where we had him because I want to get this right.
[UNKNOWN]: We came in with him at 32.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly 32.
[UNKNOWN]: So I had 32.
[UNKNOWN]: He comes in at 32.
[UNKNOWN]: we have gotten more shit about not ranking Tommy higher than any other player that we have really.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and it's like there's been former survivor players who have said it.
[UNKNOWN]: There have been fans who have said it.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that us ranking Tommy at 32.
[UNKNOWN]: was going to be a super unpopular opinion because we ranked them too high and instead people were like pissed at us that we didn't rank him higher that they thought he should have been like the low 20s at least.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'd love to hear that because I personally think Tommy plays an absolutely phenomenal game.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't re-watched sound to the idol since pre-COVID, so maybe I just don't remember it that well.
[UNKNOWN]: But I could not believe how many people are actually coming to the defense of Tommy during this time.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking off screen right now to look at my the hang on.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at the winner's rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: I can tell you where he's ranked But I don't recall single comment saying he was too low and I and my video hasn't well below you Yeah, I'm just I'm just shocked people that was that is so far the person that we have heard the most about is Tommy she had the fact that we had him at 32 And that he should have been higher than that
[UNKNOWN]: crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: And so my, so the 2026 video has about 24,000 views right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And no, not one person that's committed that Tommy was too low.
[UNKNOWN]: Guess where Tommy's ranked.
[UNKNOWN]: 45.
[UNKNOWN]: 47.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, below Ben above Erica.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not one person bill.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what it is?
[UNKNOWN]: Because you put your rankings on Instagram in a short form.
[UNKNOWN]: So people can just do them scroll, leave their anger
[UNKNOWN]: Engaging, that makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: I like how many of you are angry comments.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just doomschool.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't agree, and then leave.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but they don't just leave.
[UNKNOWN]: They say, I'm unfollowing you now because of this ridiculous take and I'm like, I really don't care.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I literally, if nobody followed me, I'd probably still do this podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually enjoy this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the I think short from social media is a different audience than people who are like, for example, we have the audience watching us right now live in YouTube.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a different audience people who watch this later.
[UNKNOWN]: It was this later.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a different audience.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually think that people who
[UNKNOWN]: Longer tension span, I think shows, it's a different breed.
[UNKNOWN]: What I will say is, it's very interesting to me, and this is a tangent, but here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very interesting to me, how few of the people who are huge on one platform aren't huge on the other?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm not saying a Tyson and Rob, and all of that look, they have, like, Tyson is the backing of Spotify right now, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: So like, that doesn't count.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he blew up over on Instagram, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: But,
[UNKNOWN]: Like a good podcast or by the way, not to like knock him.
[UNKNOWN]: He is like, yeah, but the thing is like we have tagged with right and I love tagged with as a podcast, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's great.
[UNKNOWN]: But tag with following over on Instagram and TikTok is monstrous and being like,
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, the one you keep isn't pulling, but isn't pulling as much and we're the same.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we pull over here.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't do anything over on.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate even doing that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, you know, hopefully somebody sees it.
[UNKNOWN]: That matters once every now and then.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's reflected in the amount of effort that goes into it.
[UNKNOWN]: But anyway, yeah, I think there's something they like Tommy more.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's one person who, sorry, I definitely dropped you.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, person commenting, YouTube watch is a more engaged with a content they consume.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think maybe it's more really when I'm looking forward to what I was saying earlier is that it does feel like people who watch YouTube videos, especially something longer form.
[UNKNOWN]: More engaged, therefore, it seems like they're not just reacting on gut instinct, something they saw for 10 seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: So even if they're not more intelligent, it seems like they're more intelligent.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, yeah, I don't have to describe it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, props everyone watching us on YouTube and listening.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: I get what you're saying.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a platform actually pays money.
[UNKNOWN]: Instagram pays zero dollars in your sense.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's like, I just don't feel compelled to post things on there.
[UNKNOWN]: That is why we don't put more effort in.
[UNKNOWN]: If it translated to YouTube, I would, but I, I saw, I mean, I know you can make a lot of money over on Instagram.
[UNKNOWN]: But for instance, you have to do a lot with that and it has to be brand deals and stuff and honestly, I'd rather just keep going with this.
[UNKNOWN]: I would rather not sell out.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, well, I'm not even the sell out.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, that's just not my personality.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not a TikTok and it's your own personality.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not my personality.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, anyways, all that old man tangent to say as a old man.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, yeah, Tommy to 50 years old, Tommy's best move.
[UNKNOWN]: I, somebody else said this in the comments too, not going to Ireland of the idols.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, agreed.
[UNKNOWN]: Hell yeah, when when Jamal found that beware advantage, I was called that beware advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: He tanked his own game and didn't even know it.
[UNKNOWN]: My gosh, who knew that?
[UNKNOWN]: Who knew that finding a beware advantage in the forces?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you don't hit, you go to, you go to, I only ask you, floss your boat.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, Jamal, you deserve better than that.
[UNKNOWN]: And so it's good for Tommy not finding a stupid things of the force, I mean, sense of island of the actual.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, yes, I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: His actual best move though, to give it, give him some credit here.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was, I was being sincere.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really, okay, move.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's best knowing what we know.
[UNKNOWN]: His best move, though, is convincing Nora that he wasn't good at fire and that indeed was the better option.
[UNKNOWN]: That thing was on me, it was on me.
[UNKNOWN]: It was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on me, it was on
[UNKNOWN]: You're saying Tommy was losing fire though, like the risk was too high if I'm losing fire.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he probably beats Lauren, but at the same time, if you, this is where like we were just talking about it with Chris, you said that you'd probably do it every time.
[UNKNOWN]: If you don't need to do it, why put yourself in the position to do it?
[UNKNOWN]: And Tommy contends that he beats everybody towards the late portion of that game and like I don't know if he beats Lauren, but I think he probably beats her in a close one.
[UNKNOWN]: So Noren Dean though, I saw that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we all saw that.
[UNKNOWN]: Noren Dean, Nore especially was not convincing a jury to vote for her to win.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Because Nora didn't actually know how to pitch her game.
[UNKNOWN]: Nora didn't know what it was that made her game so good.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, not that her game was very good, but like she didn't know what the jury wanted to hear her say about my game was good.
[UNKNOWN]: Noren is like a pre-40 version of Carolyn.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: very cares math care is my favorite very has a lot of charisma has a lot of personality but it is not dumb just doesn't want to sell themselves yeah and another another another another great move by Tommy when they do the split tribal and Tommy has no way to protect himself and he still doesn't go home he gets a lane in charisma to go with him the vote out missy when he should easily be the person who's getting voted out there his social game is insane
[UNKNOWN]: And he never wins an individual immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: He never uses an advantage of any kind.
[UNKNOWN]: People have said in the comments, he downplayed how good Darryl Seymour says throwing challenges was a great move.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't trying to win these challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: He came in and played the oldest school version of Survivor that you can play.
[UNKNOWN]: On a season that they did not want that to be the case, clearly the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we've been talking about every season in order to show it gone in such a different direction than the way Tommy plays to win.
[UNKNOWN]: Tommy was just a massive fan of Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: who knew how to interact with people and knew that that was going to be enough to get him the win.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was phenomenal at it.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, had this season how a story based theme it might have not been a Dan ultimate who's going to take it no matter what to be clear.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that was it it damned the same exact thing no matter what season ends up the same no matter what, but
[UNKNOWN]: For the episodes before Dan does that, the season could have been better before I'm sorry for the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, obviously Dan was already doing from the beginning, what we saw in episode one.
[UNKNOWN]: It just wasn't like highlighted.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the thing, but it wasn't like, oh, this is gonna be a season long thing.
[UNKNOWN]: It was like, okay, it's one in done.
[UNKNOWN]: The Dan stuff, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyways, so Tommy, yeah, he agreed.
[UNKNOWN]: He like plays a pure social game, doesn't interact with any of the nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think the show would have looked less silly if the season theme wasn't non-sense island.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, kind of not been non-sense.
[UNKNOWN]: They could have still had non-sense island fell.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, I think Rob and Sandra being up in the booth commenting on Tribals is like a really, as Julie found an idea, a brilliant idea, like this is a fun idea, and it doesn't take away from the show or at all, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: And like that was a cool idea and I think that the idea of having like legends there to coach them was a cool idea.
[UNKNOWN]: The nonsense island was a step too far and the entire season themed around it is a step too far.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the idea of legends coaching and like there could have been a legendary tribe by the way coaching and like not in like there you have no other say that they're just there to be a coach.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it also bothered me and this is a different thing but then both of them are gonna come back and play winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, this is step too far.
[UNKNOWN]: But the other thing with Tommy, you talked about Dan.
[UNKNOWN]: Dan getting pulled from the game when he got pulled from the game could have absolutely blown up Tommy's game.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Tommy's plan was to go to the end with Dan.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, Dan was a girl.
[UNKNOWN]: And so the fact that Dan gets kicked out and Tommy's still able to get to the end without winning immunities,
[UNKNOWN]: is huge.
[UNKNOWN]: And the whole thing with Janet and Janet going to play the idol and he knows that Dean has the idol nullifier and Tommy just kind of lets it happen.
[UNKNOWN]: But it is also partially his idea.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, people are right that we're definitely underrating Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why when he came in at 32, I was really happy that you know, you talked about with Nick Wilson earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: It seems like the audience has turned on him right as a, you know, with his politics and everything, it seems like the audience might actually be coming around a little bit on Tommy and that makes me really happy because I do think that Tommy deserves a lot more credit just because you're on a bad season doesn't mean you're a bad winner, cough, cough, Brian Heidek.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I just.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that I think that Tommy plays a great game here and it's all social all the time and it was what was really funny about it though at the time is everybody said that they wanted this kind of old school game and then nobody really did support Tommy in the community at the time, which almost showed that.
[UNKNOWN]: Survivor fans really don't know what they want more often than not and they think they want this old school by the book really really good game and in reality They do want more drama with idols and this and that whatever because Tommy played a by the book It doesn't matter
[UNKNOWN]: who I'm with or who wins a immunity or who has an idol, I never going to be the person going home.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want, I want a moral school season, but not so old school, it's like classic air.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want idols.
[UNKNOWN]: And as we talk about the co-wrong, super idol option.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I want, just idols and co-wrongs to your bridal, like no extra votes and other losing vote crap, just idols, just idols and super idol, and the format should be very predictable because the players should know what's coming and therefore can base their game around it because the more chaotic the game, the less people want to do stuff, the moment Jamal gets a limited basically based on the it be wear advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: I would like if I heard about that or saw that,
[UNKNOWN]: I could just lose based on a no-hangings what I always said and and what was the lesson?
[UNKNOWN]: Don't take notes from trees.
[UNKNOWN]: What are they even 41?
[UNKNOWN]: That's what they do and that's what they do the entire new era.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a terrible lesson.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, boss Rob was told them to it was told to tell them that was the lesson.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think boss Rob came up that lesson.
[UNKNOWN]: I could be wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think boss Rob invented to be weird images based on what we know about
[UNKNOWN]: And it was such a big deal, too, because this is where it starts to be, like Tommy does a lot to get his win, but this is where the era of the less you do the better.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to put your head up to high.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't want to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: The show wants big moves, big moves, big moves, big moves so bad.
[UNKNOWN]: But production wants to be so invested in the moves that are happening.
[UNKNOWN]: They end up having the opposite effect on everything and rather than the moves being good moves and building up players.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It actually is more of them trying to dodge
[UNKNOWN]: production.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like we were saying earlier, I think all the way back and you even said there's actually a strategy there.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like at the end of the day, Aubrey and everybody else on 50 was playing mine sweeper without getting numbers every time they clicked something.
[UNKNOWN]: And so like the good ones, that's what the show becomes because why would you grab the thing in the tree?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Jamal is playing a pretty solid game of survivor and absolutely get screwed because he goes for it.
[UNKNOWN]: And is that the message Jeff, you want them to not go for
[UNKNOWN]: I just watched 31, 32, 33, 34.
[UNKNOWN]: You told us he can't win without making big moves.
[UNKNOWN]: But now you're telling people don't grab the thing that's right in front of your face.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just bluesing the point out.
[UNKNOWN]: I, uh...
[UNKNOWN]: They clearly try to do and go silent again and just both versions of this non-sense island just flop both times.
[UNKNOWN]: So again, story-based themes are the way to go.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why in the hands of fans, again, is not a story-based theme.
[UNKNOWN]: It can be, if there are actual fans,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get there.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, this again, the season is just the season's a flop.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Dan's this turd in the cereal bowl.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't want to eat the cereal now.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was a turd in there.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter how big it is.
[UNKNOWN]: And so like as a result, I have this only season I have not rewatched.
[UNKNOWN]: at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I've rewatched moments from it, but I'm not, all the scenes we talked about, even goes down.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's the one I have most like vague in my mind as the ones we're talking about tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it's like I've rewatched all these seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: I've seen them all multiple times.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the only one I have not seen a second time.
[UNKNOWN]: front to back, and it's just like I don't have a desire to.
[UNKNOWN]: Eventually I'll make Tommy's video, and that's what I'll do it.
[UNKNOWN]: So it'll be your refresher then, but I just not interested.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not interested in watching a season where nonsense island is the theme.
[UNKNOWN]: Just watch the winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Not have to interact with nonsense island.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for him, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like the theme and the story you're at odds.
[UNKNOWN]: the winner and the theme are at odds.
[UNKNOWN]: We're about to rewatch this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we're up to heroes versus healers versus hustler.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're five months away now from watching the season again.
[UNKNOWN]: And I watched it, you know, back when I when I lived on the west coast and I was watching survivor and we were podcasting on the East Coast time of the Lexa, I would watch the episode podcast it and then I would turn around and I would podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I watched the episode again after I was done podcasting.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I went to the idols to one of the seasons I did that with,
[UNKNOWN]: Like I never went back and gave it a rewatch after COVID.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, then you have the excitement of winners at war, everything going on with that and you have COVID.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I don't know the idols that's not fresh in my mind at all.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, that's why I didn't want to overrate Tommy's win when we were doing the winter rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I was trying to keep favoritism out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: But now I look back and I'm like, man, we should have ranked Tommy a lot higher based on how everybody's acting towards it.
[UNKNOWN]: And honestly, the way that we've talked about it for the last almost 20 minutes,
[UNKNOWN]: I do feel like Tommy's an unbelievably underrated winner and I think he's got a replicaable game.
[UNKNOWN]: What's his worst move, Phil?
[UNKNOWN]: I know he says early on.
[UNKNOWN]: What's his worst move?
[UNKNOWN]: Probably early on when Jason goes because he was close with Jason.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he's on the wrong side of that number.
[UNKNOWN]: Jason goes, I think it's for three.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and again, it's like it's, it says something when like the winner's worst moves in the pre-emerge, pre-emerge is almost like a forgotten unless you go out in the pre-emerge, someone's like not a crucial time.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really the perfect time to make mistakes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
[UNKNOWN]: There's more people available.
[UNKNOWN]: Unless likely you want to try a bull.
[UNKNOWN]: It's post-march when you need to be on your game perfectly if you can reach post-march, of course.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so Tommy had a good win.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins 822 to 0.
[UNKNOWN]: He's two votes off a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: Four votes off, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He gets two.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, four votes off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my apologies.
[UNKNOWN]: Tommy's four votes off of a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Because he gets two votes against Darynton C. Darynton.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it loses two votes to Dean.
[UNKNOWN]: Dean, I also feel bad for Dean, because he's like, I had this plan and then
[UNKNOWN]: Dan kind of ruined it you know and it's like Dean that was a cool idea and I'm sorry that Dan ruined it It's like hard to credit for credit for something that you have the potential doing you know It's like a van ruined something else and the other thing I want to say I think what what puts the bad taste and a lot of people's mouths about Tommy winning
[UNKNOWN]: is, you have the Danny Jackson, but then it's followed by Janet getting, I don't know the fight out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And if Janet plays the idol correctly and gets to final four, does she win the game?
[UNKNOWN]: Like Ken, she's probably going to win five against whoever she fights against, she beat Tommy.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: But the thing is,
[UNKNOWN]: Janet doesn't there's no ability to get rid of Janet there if Dean doesn't get the I don't nullify her as late in the game as he gets it and it's so so bad and it feels like too much production and interference on that brand.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that puts about tastes and feels nice.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that Janet absolutely is like one of the most screwed survivors in the history of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that we'll never see her play again is really a shame because she hits an archetype that we just do not get great characters up and she plays a phenomenal phenomenal survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's really just proof that the out in idle nullifier have the right result in 37.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why everybody liked it.
[UNKNOWN]: But in 39, not the result everybody wanted there for we don't like anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the same thing, it's the same thing.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't change anything about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Just the result.
[UNKNOWN]: So I try not to be a result based.
[UNKNOWN]: I try to look at it as a whole.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like when Malcolm goes out and game changers and it's this epic tribal, it's like, yeah, that's short sighted, it's gonna ruin the season.
[UNKNOWN]: It does.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as we talked about, I think it's a cool idea, but it just executed poorly.
[UNKNOWN]: Just like poorly planned out for such a cool idea, having to try it the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, that's Tommy's win.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm ready to talk about Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's do it, Tony, Volacos, 2.0.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody thought he could actually do it.
[UNKNOWN]: He comes out the first time he plays this crazy all over the place, somehow gets the win game, really strategic, instantly into the affinity hall of fame from Gordon Holmes.
[UNKNOWN]: It comes out the second time, and he's a flop.
[UNKNOWN]: And I rewatch game changers recently, and he's so entertaining, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, he was in a good spot, he just screwed himself by getting out.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, comes out with third time and realizes I need to play a different game.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to lower my threat level.
[UNKNOWN]: I need to play a little bit more chill.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to run around.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to be crazy, but that can't be the game I play.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're into our top 10 West, and we haven't announced officially our top 10 Tony obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: They're in our top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: This game is, this game is crazy good, and there's so much production in our variants.
[UNKNOWN]: But the difference, I think, between this game and maybe Aubrey's in 50 or some of the other ones.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that Tony purposely came in with that plan because he knew how he was going to be viewed by the other winners and then also on top of that was able to do everything right throughout and it all felt very purposeful so yes.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that Tony at the file tribals like as an extinction was just a series of disadvantages for me.
[UNKNOWN]: The extortion advantage while it was fun to watch Tony do it because the way Tony reacts to it was a terrible advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony had to survive that Tony had to like exploit it and pay six coins so he could just play survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: There was no benefit.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like you do this.
[UNKNOWN]: you lose your vote, you don't do this, you lose your vote and can't compete immunity, but if you do win it, you get an advantage and it was nothing like that.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just like these good place to arrive.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks, extortion to vantage.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony survives that, but he makes it fun, and therefore people kind of brush it off.
[UNKNOWN]: And then of course, now you return and he said, that was just advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: It was now like his back and just tells people things, like, is this true?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it was what Natalie told me with the truth.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's like, Ezra Kinct was just disadvantaged for me.
[UNKNOWN]: It was never good.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like Tony, like Tommy, had to survive an island of nonsense to win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And he had just already winning the game without the island of nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, nonsense was just an extra layer.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Tony was winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony was winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't know what point he eliminates last person who would have beat him.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's pretty clear that as long as Tony's a file for you, he's winning, people like Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like Tony versus Sarah would have been a good final tribal, but he wins, but he wins.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think you have to go.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what's interesting about the season is because of Tony's reputation entering it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the only person who probably could have beaten him was Kim coming in, like I'm saying if you sit at Final 3 of a Tony, you're going to lose unless you're Kim, Sandra, Boston Rob, Parvity, they're all out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And like Kim doesn't actually play good enough the game on this season that she would have gotten the votes to win it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think that Tony, honestly, the person who probably had the best chance of beating him, I think you have to go all the way back to you all, which was before the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it needs every single person who makes the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: I think him versus like Jeremy would have been close just think about the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: Him versus Kim would have been close to something like the game too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just trying to, yeah, and I, I watch thankfully this is a great season of Ponderosa videos.
[UNKNOWN]: The fact they're all together at the same time.
[UNKNOWN]: You get a lot of interactions for them people who haven't watched these.
[UNKNOWN]: These are I think these are still on YouTube They take so many down.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think these are on YouTube the winners of Warp on a row some of these are good videos For the entire edge of extinction jury.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you get a lot of sense of who is friends of food and who likes to and And you know something that so get a really good idea feels personal as well
[UNKNOWN]: All that saying that, I think, Josh, Tony getting to follow three and not getting you votes against him.
[UNKNOWN]: He did win for immunities, got to get him credit, and he had nightle.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like Tony for five tribals had safety.
[UNKNOWN]: and still didn't gain votes against him though.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Tommy played his idol was just because I was a mistake by Sarah and Ben, who were like, now they can't possibly have an idol.
[UNKNOWN]: What are you talking about?
[UNKNOWN]: Did you guys not watch season 38?
[UNKNOWN]: So when Tony's like, why don't we split our votes three ways?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, and outside his best move, but it's one of the things where it's like, Tony's clearly hadn't shoulders by everyone else, thinking about basic survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Why don't we split our vote three ways to have to waste idols?
[UNKNOWN]: Nah, now they can't possibly have anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh.
[UNKNOWN]: Sarah's like, uh, duh, I've known Natalie for a whole day.
[UNKNOWN]: So what she says, I've known Natalie for a whole day.
[UNKNOWN]: She would've told me.
[UNKNOWN]: What, it doesn't grow a player dude.
[UNKNOWN]: She's going to trick you.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't help myself, but it is crazy how this entire season of Michelle and Tony are the only two people who are right the whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: And people just still just didn't respect Michelle enough to give her any votes.
[UNKNOWN]: But Michelle, everything she says to Nick, everything she says to Jeremy, it's always right.
[UNKNOWN]: They just disregard her, and they make mistakes.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why they all lose.
[UNKNOWN]: Jen, they don't want to turn around and give her the votes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Michelle's good reads.
[UNKNOWN]: She's never could get the people together to make anything happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so.
[UNKNOWN]: Because they were not only absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: If she want Tony could have, if Natalie smarter, she would have put herself in fire against Tony and would have tried to eliminate him out of she wins.
[UNKNOWN]: She seems like she's capable of winning.
[UNKNOWN]: But Tony, because Tony, his firemaking was a slow start, is he tells fresh my brain and just watched it.
[UNKNOWN]: His firemaking has slow start, but once he got it going, it like, boom, like, really fast.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but he was like, if somebody else had built faster, they would, they would be Tony Tony wasn't like some record breaking, um, environment in challenge or make or so.
[UNKNOWN]: And uh, his social gain, those flow good, like he's making, he makes everyone like him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like my wife told me slow down and just like let everyone know me for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And like he was, but the thing wasn't the premer, she was still paranoid.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he was doing his little spy-shack thing.
[UNKNOWN]: People like, where's Tony?
[UNKNOWN]: Why is Tony not around when the rest of us are around?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, he could have gone the premerge.
[UNKNOWN]: It's very possible.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I totally hear you.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that people always say that because Tony had a bad showy and game changers, he wasn't seen as a threat coming into winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just like totally not true.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody knew that Tony was a legitimate threat out there.
[UNKNOWN]: And people always say, yeah, but they were more threatened by Boston Rob and Sandra and Parvody.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's like, I actually don't know if that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: They might say that those are the people that are more threatened by,
[UNKNOWN]: But Tony's way more of a chaotic player than all of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I could go out and play with Boston.
[UNKNOWN]: I might not be able to beat them, but I know exactly what he's going to do.
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to try to create alliance and just steamroll me.
[UNKNOWN]: I never exactly will offer it.
[UNKNOWN]: Off Tony's tried because of her husband being there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the poker alliance.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: But after that, Tony talked about how Tony had such, he had so many friends coming into the season.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: basically, yeah, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony's not on social media and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, so many of these other players are.
[UNKNOWN]: So if he's friends with people, it has to be in person or through, like, text, I don't know, or call in him, of course, it's not that those aren't, like, he's not a social figure.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's not just going to be the other time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, also I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: I only because I think this got dropped in between the last time you and I talked when we talked about Adam and now Adam coming out and being like, I've got more people on survivor of the past few years by.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they are baller moon.
[UNKNOWN]: It's got six people on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for the past for the coming up two seasons right six people out of for the next two seasons Adam coming out here saying that I'm it just podcasts comes back.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess my thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, can a bomb posted?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: You think immediately on Instagram, I don't think that's because when there's a war and arms on the season, somewhat relevant.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, man, I'm never going to get cast in the show, right?
[UNKNOWN]: No matter how much I want to play no matter what I say, it doesn't matter.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know once you're done.
[UNKNOWN]: But you criticize show once.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm not going to get up here.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's my thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Why is Adam not allowed to have the business that he has?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I truly do not, he doesn't tell people I'm guaranteeing you're going to get in, but like, if you're trying to go to Harvard and you can have somebody who went to Harvard sit down with you and coach you through how it you can get into Harvard, why would you not do it doesn't mean it's guaranteed you're going to get in and also
[UNKNOWN]: I doubt that the people he's getting honor being like super inauthentic and stuff once they get on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just helping them be like, look, this is what you're missing.
[UNKNOWN]: And at the end of the day, look, I've applied a bunch of times.
[UNKNOWN]: I've never gotten a call.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I'm a very entertaining person because I have this podcast, and I know that I have an interesting backstory because I've been around long enough to know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying I have this interesting of a backstory of some other people, but I know
[UNKNOWN]: that I have a good personality, I know that I could do a confessional in no time, and yet it's frustrating that I never got a phone call, because of whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So if I hadn't done this podcast and I was just a huge survivor fan, I'd probably be reaching out to Adam because I'd be annoyed because truly I do feel like I'm one of the top people that they could call to put on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm saying that you want to call me arrogant whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like if you called me to put me on the show, I think that I would be an A plus casting decision.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, it aggravates me that I've never gotten a phone call on some of the other people they put on the show have.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: So my thing is I'm frustrated by that, but I ultimately know that going to Adam's not going to help me.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're one of the people who's as frustrated as I am and really does feel that highly of yourself and like again, I don't know if it's arrogance or not to me, it's just confidence in believing in yourself.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that if you're one of those people and you're not getting a phone call, you can't figure out why,
[UNKNOWN]: Go get somebody else who might be a little higher.
[UNKNOWN]: Go higher at him.
[UNKNOWN]: His result, his percentage is higher than it should be, because he knows what they're looking for.
[UNKNOWN]: And so if you're what they're looking for, Adam can hone you into making sure they notice that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's best way of putting it.
[UNKNOWN]: You see, he basically gets you to do what they want, but you can't trick casting.
[UNKNOWN]: If that makes sense, you can't like you are who you are, they're going to find out who you are, but Adam, I think helps you figure out what it is you should focus on for casting to notice you.
[UNKNOWN]: So the fact that he has this much excess, I think, says a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you're out there thinking, like, hey, I want to apply for the show.
[UNKNOWN]: I have not hired Adam personally, but the fact that Jeff and Jesse Tanamom are so ticked about it and the fact that Adam keeps getting people on the show behind their back, 10 out of 10, do it.
[UNKNOWN]: 10 out of 10 do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that there's somebody out there who knows the game and as long as you don't tell casting, hey, Adam helped me, they're not going to know.
[UNKNOWN]: The other thing is that we're going to ask.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who he's gotten on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: He's very quiet about it because he doesn't want to get people in trouble with whatever with survivor and stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: But here's the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who he's gotten on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think the whole belief is like, we would have found you eventually anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what Jeff said in his podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what he says.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but that's not true.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's people that have gotten on the show from Adam, who had never gotten a call before they went to Adam.
[UNKNOWN]: So clearly, you guys were missing something.
[UNKNOWN]: Caleb, Brandon, and Brando, and 45, but then I don't know who sends.
[UNKNOWN]: I would love, I know Adams, I could do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I would love like a list of like who all he got on the show, post 45, because once he posted that about 45, Jeff had his hissy-fed as podcasts, Jesse Tannenbaum posts his stuff, and it's just like, okay, I clearly shouldn't be doing this, because it's just starting up a pod.
[UNKNOWN]: It's bad for business to,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I just don't have my father's them so much like I truly do not understand it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't control freak spell it's been shown time again.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying Jesse is a control freak.
[UNKNOWN]: I definitely think it's more on Jeff side and production, which I is under the umbrella Jeff their control freaks.
[UNKNOWN]: Jesse cast for many shows.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't see him say this cast up by the shows.
[UNKNOWN]: But I cannot speak with pot, I don't know these people personally.
[UNKNOWN]: So it just makes my sense because Adam loves the show.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam really is one of those people.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Adam's not grifting.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of grifters out there who play reality TV and they want your money, want your dollars, whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Adam isn't grifting.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not telling you this is a garring tea.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not walking around with the book.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's your self health.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's everything that's gonna happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I know there's a massive tension.
[UNKNOWN]: But it really bothers me how much they
[UNKNOWN]: kind of talk down about him and just shit on him and it's like you work as the head of casting at CBS for the three big reality TV shows.
[UNKNOWN]: Your in control of the best reality TV show ever made.
[UNKNOWN]: You should have so much confidence.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the whole it's the whole game of thrones, Lannister anything.
[UNKNOWN]: You can be thankful.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for your players.
[UNKNOWN]: A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of lambs.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not calling Adam a lamb.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe maybe the lions the people are in control of all this shouldn't be so upset over this like I just don't understand it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like Adam trying to encroach or say he's better at the job.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, then when you do see Jesse's response that I'm like, you don't need this like, well, yet nobody needs it.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't need SAT helped out of college, but it could help you go to college like I didn't need a special coach to run when I was running back in the day, but like it's certainly helped to get an extra trainer and get an extra pair of eyes like my wife's going to tell me everything's great or everything's terrible.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Just do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I don't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: All that to say, somebody here commented, I mean, a survivor's casting wasn't so firm.
[UNKNOWN]: You're like, it would mean Adam would be able to gain the casting system.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so true.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you, David.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks, David.
[UNKNOWN]: But we are here to talk about Tony, all that to say, sorry for a little tangent.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I do on my podcast as well, but you're on a tangent, some people complain, but I think sometimes it's nice to see it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's nice to, because sometimes you don't even know stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And then once somebody says it, you go and look, I love listening stuff and being like, oh, I didn't even know what's that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I go look like, wow, holy crap, how did I miss that, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: I believe it's one of those things,
[UNKNOWN]: Unless you remember Jeff's Hissie Phantom 45, which would be fair was a few years ago, it's not gonna be top of mind.
[UNKNOWN]: That Adam posts that and then seen Jesse post again this year and the year 26, three years later, we're still still throwing Hissie Vets about this.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right, well, good for Adam.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, it's Tony's game.
[UNKNOWN]: Worst move, I was trying, I think I was getting out and I was like, he was being overly paranoid and chaotic in the pre-merging coulda gone.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't, he didn't get a vote.
[UNKNOWN]: but it felt like he was playing a fire in the pre-merge.
[UNKNOWN]: He's been a little game-changer's Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's tough because he only goes to what?
[UNKNOWN]: Two tribals in the pre-merge or the other one?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there was that one challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: He goes to three, Kim, I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: He votes for Kim when Amber goes, votes for Tyson, Tyson goes, votes for Denise with Sandra goes.
[UNKNOWN]: But there was another tribal where I think like his tribe won immunity by like, and I mean a second.
[UNKNOWN]: So they could have gone again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't really know what his worst move is.
[UNKNOWN]: I try to think like, getting rid of Sophie was dangerous.
[UNKNOWN]: It's his best move, but at the same time, voting out Sophie where he did.
[UNKNOWN]: Sophie was like, kind of loyal there.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, she had the idol, and she was a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: And she was getting close to Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she was getting close to Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know what his worst.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's very hard to figure it out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not as fresh in my mind, so if anybody was gonna know this, this might be you.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I just, I literally just worked on his, I just fish his video today, because YouTube is being a butt about the copyright.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I worse move his heart is, well, it's not really definitive or smooth.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of great moves.
[UNKNOWN]: It's interesting that the story was very much like, hey, we got checked in with Tony every episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's tell me up, too.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony's running like an old man on the beach.
[UNKNOWN]: That's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: We have to include that scene.
[UNKNOWN]: We're so limited on time, but we must include Tony running on the beach as people laugh at him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Because he's running like an old man is what they say.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, good stuff like that gives away.
[UNKNOWN]: But like this is this is like the one time where it's like it's perfectly fine to do that because
[UNKNOWN]: He's a great winner, you know, it's Tony, it's two people would have wanted to win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And the so when I worked with the season was airing.
[UNKNOWN]: I was doing social media stuff for Ethan's on and
[UNKNOWN]: When I was, I remember Ethan telling, I told Ethan, I don't want any spoilers, but what should I expect from the season?
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, oh, he's like, you're gonna like the winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, okay, cool.
[UNKNOWN]: And so I really like that, that the whole time I knew okay, I'm gonna like over the winner is.
[UNKNOWN]: But then I think it clicked around the margin, like we checked with Tony every episode, it's kind of telling, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He sets the record for most confessional in 60-minute episodes or no.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd make in that up, he doesn't do that.
[UNKNOWN]: In the 60 minute yeah, I think he does it's the extortion episode.
[UNKNOWN]: He says that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like 17 or 18 or something ridiculous in a 60 minute episode.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the fact that this, this season had it, they added too much the edge of extinction.
[UNKNOWN]: So they're eating up so much time over there too.
[UNKNOWN]: So there's so many people just completely ignored it feels like.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but the to me never ignored.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony has a very clear storyline.
[UNKNOWN]: I think one is a war is a is a story theme.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a strong story theme at the front, but it's a good story theme.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not it's not amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Dave Versailles here's the reveal.
[UNKNOWN]: And these are amazing story themes right at the gate.
[UNKNOWN]: It makes sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Second chance is a great story theme that they have not taken advantage of.
[UNKNOWN]: Blood versus water should have said that earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: Great story theme.
[UNKNOWN]: Those diverse themes too.
[UNKNOWN]: Blood versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like
[UNKNOWN]: It's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: It works out.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a good season, too much nonsense.
[UNKNOWN]: Lots of new era stuff like ideas basically.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like being floated here and island of the adults.
[UNKNOWN]: These two seasons, I feel like they're floating a lot of stuff that they're gonna really just double down on the new era.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I totally agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, it's like the whole this is extortion thing worked out so well because it was Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Because we don't need to have those types of like production type twists that feel like we're totally out of control of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: And the whole extortion thing feels like, you know, the pre it's the beginning of you're going to lose your vote unless you complete some random ass tasks that nobody really cares that you're completing.
[UNKNOWN]: And when Tony has to do that, that's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody else has to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not great.
[UNKNOWN]: Well also Tony's like oh I read it says extortion I've always wanted to do that and he's like extortion is legal in the US.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why it's not illegal in PG.
[UNKNOWN]: But like it's Tony saying it All right, had Ben gotten this you know you've been like oh man.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh come on Jeff Like he was when they pulled out the peanut butter.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like oh come on Jeff.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah
[UNKNOWN]: Like you need somebody as aggressive as him.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it worked for Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: So I saw Gerald see more saying here the boss and Rob getting a great quote It was after one of the votes where he says Boss Rob says Tony's a boss dude, and it's like it's on the screen It's in like text on the screen when he says that and it's like using boss and Robert prop up that Tony's gonna win Boss Rob also getting two questions at final tribal some people get scunked at final tribal
[UNKNOWN]: quite a large jury.
[UNKNOWN]: That's definitely the reason they moved to this format.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so they can folks really want and they can order the people they don't want.
[UNKNOWN]: Boss robbing two questions I found tribal tells you a lot that you already knew.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what are some words that I hear?
[UNKNOWN]: I hear a prop up Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: Which game do you prefer?
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about this a little bit,
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, winners at war, you do.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the winners at war game is better.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's really because I love seeing somebody come and improve their game.
[UNKNOWN]: So in Ozzie plays in 50, I feel like despite the fact that he went out with an idols pocket, I really like that Ozzie was taking a step forward and improving.
[UNKNOWN]: Even if his game ultimately is not the best result.
[UNKNOWN]: Cook rounds the best result.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like Ozzie improved and I appreciate that.
[UNKNOWN]: So Tony here felt like he improved in almost every way and one.
[UNKNOWN]: And like sure he won Kagan.
[UNKNOWN]: But like Kagan and Tony was never winning again.
[UNKNOWN]: He had to be another Tony.
[UNKNOWN]: He recognizes perception.
[UNKNOWN]: He adjusted based on that perception and played it perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the fact that he got didn't get four votes of all tribal is crazy to me.
[UNKNOWN]: He should have, I almost feel like he should have cleansed with the jury.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you think about it, we've seen a lot of returning players' seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: Once a player is determined to be a threat, I love this guy, but we're gonna get there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw that, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But once a player is determined to be a threat, they don't win their next season, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Like if you think about these full or half returning players' season, I'm not gonna do a captain season, cause you guys Boston, Rob, Win's, Redemption Island, but again, who cares?
[UNKNOWN]: So when you look at it like all stars, the people who go far aren't seen as threats.
[UNKNOWN]: When you go to fans versus favorites, the people who go far aren't generally like Amanda versus poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't know what the end of Amanda's game was.
[UNKNOWN]: They knew she didn't win.
[UNKNOWN]: There were bigger threats.
[UNKNOWN]: Y'all man seen as a massive threat.
[UNKNOWN]: He's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: Now you get poverty and heroes versus villains going very, very far.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was also because part of Russell strategy was I want to keep winners and as long as I can and that was one of the winners and he does what he can.
[UNKNOWN]: Great, but poverty also is one of the few people who's actually viewed as a threat who goes far.
[UNKNOWN]: We see it in caramowing.
[UNKNOWN]: The people who are seen as bigger threats don't go very far.
[UNKNOWN]: We see it in blood versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: Tyson at that point is kind of considered a joke.
[UNKNOWN]: He's considered a character not a player.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't go very far.
[UNKNOWN]: Then you see it in, you know, you keep going down the line.
[UNKNOWN]: You get to second chance.
[UNKNOWN]: You get to all this.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony was the first one where it was like, no, he's a massive threat.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know that this was winners at war, but there were so many winners who weren't seen as massive threats.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, if you told me, hey, you're going to be on a starting tribe with Nick Wilson, Sophie ever, yeah, Amber, whatever, Adam Klein.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, Adam is nice.
[UNKNOWN]: So he said, talks about you, but if I throw out him there, and then Tony's the fifth one.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm scared of Tony more than any of the others and I think he was the first one who was able to win despite being one of the biggest threats stepping on that island because normally when you come back as a threat you have no shot.
[UNKNOWN]: If this season had the new era format of three tribes of six or three tribes of seven, Tony was likely a target early.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact that there
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hand-hand survival, hand-hand.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so crazy to me, how like if they just went back and watched their own shows, they would see what worked or what did I'm hoping, by the way, that is what happened with the open era.
[UNKNOWN]: I pressed X to out.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope that's what happened with the open era is like we went back and watched our seasons and determined, here's the things that were, or things that have potential to work and we're gonna bring them back.
[UNKNOWN]: I, one can only hope that's what happened in the open era.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, are we good?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, his best move, you said it was Sophie.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I don't know if this is a move, but when he eliminates Sarah and they have their huge emotional moment.
[UNKNOWN]: that had to help.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't do it in that very public.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like a move.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he wasn't putting on a show.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't handing up.
[UNKNOWN]: It's how he legitimately felt like that huge emotional moment at final four had to help had to help.
[UNKNOWN]: I also just think at that point though, he has no chance of losing to Natalie or Michelle.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he's not actually going to give up seven votes to Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: Now also something we mentioned with Jeremy and we mentioned with Jeremy winning and I forgot with the other winner was top my head sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: So Jeremy wins and we determined he's gets tossed in Spencer and we're like Jeremy has a wife and kids and most the jury has a spouse and or kids.
[UNKNOWN]: Same thing with Tony, Michelle's not married.
[UNKNOWN]: Hazard's sister is the only loved one.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie, her loved one is her sister, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I think she only has a boyfriend at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know her current status.
[UNKNOWN]: She's at the time, she's a boyfriend, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Tony has a spouse and kids.
[UNKNOWN]: You watch that loved ones, you watch the extended cut scene from the show.
[UNKNOWN]: all that there's so many jury members with with with families with spouses and or kids and it's like I know it doesn't get brought up in the show but like you want to see yourself in the winter here's Tony with his wife and kids versus two single ladies it helps it helps it's not determining factor because if you look at 50's was things sorry 50 Aubrey wins has that factor in a favor Joe has it too but like
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just not getting votes there.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, boy, it's her versus Jonathan, Jonathan, just a single guy as far as I'm aware he's not married or anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, just make sure I'm right.
[UNKNOWN]: These are factors, these are factors that show never really addresses, but are factors.
[UNKNOWN]: People want to see themselves in the winners.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, now I'm married with kids.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, if I go on the show, and I'm on the jury, and it's choice from two people, and I'm like, pretty close to them, I'm like, well, one has one as a spouse and kids, I'm probably gonna pick them or the other person, if it's close, but if it's not close, so that's not gonna be a turning factor.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a factor.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not that it can be the turn we factor, but like,
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying if I'm saying it helps, it helps.
[UNKNOWN]: You connect with people on that level.
[UNKNOWN]: In fact, we saw at the beginning of when there's a war with Tyson's talking about Rachel and his kid.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that the time he only won't kid, or he had two kids I forgot.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember either.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I just remember that was like a thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I'm a dad now.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like, when he played Budsburg's water, he didn't have any kids.
[UNKNOWN]: Him and Rachel were just dating or engaged or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, like they weren't.
[UNKNOWN]: And but now he's like married with kids and it's like that connect with people and we're now has kids that you know, these are things that matter and it gets overlooked by the show because it's not the show's going to be like, well, you probably should have a spouse and kids if you want a winner, yeah, that's not in a new era season that attendance to be the opposite, which is kind of funny.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so all of it to say I think it's a factor it gets overlooked and the Tony had that he had that as well on top of he was going to win Tony could have been single and probably won the season, but it really helps because he says it in the season and in cut scenes at his wife told him just show people who are calm down, slow down, be yourself like you're not like this at home, so be yourself out there in the islands let people get to know you.
[UNKNOWN]: before you act chaoticly and he did that and he says I'm listening to baby cakes for every calls or advice of doing this.
[UNKNOWN]: So I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's Tony winners at war and that's why we get there.
[UNKNOWN]: And now Wes, you and I are going on charted territory next.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we have not a hold on.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to talk about the rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, you're right, though.
[UNKNOWN]: Next we are next time we're going to Aaron.
[UNKNOWN]: Is he ranked number one?
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, yeah, obviously.
[UNKNOWN]: Ciguin was number three as a reminder, parvities, number two, and you wills number four.
[UNKNOWN]: That's our top four.
[UNKNOWN]: We've already talked about, oh, yeah, there's no new era winners in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: So, oh, sorry, there is.
[UNKNOWN]: I will reveal that later.
[UNKNOWN]: Either Kyler, D, I would assume.
[UNKNOWN]: Number 10 has a new era winner.
[UNKNOWN]: So nine is JT, eight's Natalie Anderson, seven Tyson, six Todd, five Jeremy four, you'll three, Tony Ciguin, two parvities.
[UNKNOWN]: in one Tony winners award.
[UNKNOWN]: Now the season itself is not number one.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you think winners will work falls?
[UNKNOWN]: I think you had said it was like 10 or 12 or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Seven.
[UNKNOWN]: Seven, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So you did say it was pretty high.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember that?
[UNKNOWN]: It is pretty high.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I would put it at seven, but I do think it's a good season.
[UNKNOWN]: Where would you put it fell?
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you put Tony's wind?
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have it at one?
[UNKNOWN]: I do not.
[UNKNOWN]: I cannot reveal this information that was where we're revealing that next week.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have to ask me that again next week.
[UNKNOWN]: It is in my top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: These are top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I do prefer Caggy on.
[UNKNOWN]: What about the season?
[UNKNOWN]: I'd have to re-watch it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not high on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd probably put it in the 30s, honestly.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's better, I think it's a good season, Phil.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not bad.
[UNKNOWN]: It had potential to be so much more.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the show actually dragged it down from its potential.
[UNKNOWN]: The cast came to play.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there was so much working in favor.
[UNKNOWN]: The show actually dragged the show, dragged the show down.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's still down.
[UNKNOWN]: I could see that.
[UNKNOWN]: For me, I really enjoy it, I enjoy the cast obviously, but it just didn't go the way that I wanted and I have to rewatch it to see where I really put it like I said, we but as we go through every season matters, we're re updating our rankings, but I think it's probably through 50 seasons going to end up in the low 30s.
[UNKNOWN]: I think like 31, 31, 31, and there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm
[UNKNOWN]: Gable or Jam Jam and Dave Gamerby heads up, Marianne's gonna, I'm probably, I re, Marianne higher than so many others.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Personal bias is always, I really like Marianne.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll get into that next week.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to be live.
[UNKNOWN]: We're actually knocking out both of these next week every year.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and we've got another one next day for Friday.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right, next Thursday night.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to do the first half of the new era, the non-friety morning, I think, right, or as a Friday.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm good with the morning.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, we have an interesting term we're terming right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Friday morning, we're going to knock out the second half of the new era.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll do the up-through today, basically.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we'll rank the open area.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll just predict.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll just predict the font the first one for the open area.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that'll be Thursday and Friday and then we wrap this up before we get into August.
[UNKNOWN]: So, West, what do you know what your video is next one that's coming out or no?
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So I can say that the month of August, I haven't put this out.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, do the first person to hold that side of my wife.
[UNKNOWN]: You're welcome, fellow, you're that close.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: The month of August and doing all winter videos, meaning meaning all videos either about winners or related to winners in the month of August.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have videos on winners such as Tony, Adam, Jeremy, Michelle Aubrey, but I also have winners, videos about winners like who are the perfect winners, who are the perfect losers, most shocking winners, stuff like that.
[UNKNOWN]: So the entire month, the August is only winner videos.
[UNKNOWN]: And I will be promoting them on the channel if you're soon.
[UNKNOWN]: But yes, I guess I'll do it here at the end of the podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: I haven't done enough winner stuff on Sunday.
[UNKNOWN]: We're finishing out our winner rankings with our top 10. Who do you think we're going to have at number one?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you're ace of Kaya and Tony's higher.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
[UNKNOWN]: I personally rank Kaya, I'm not a higher, but it's a conglomeration of four lists.
[UNKNOWN]: So I heard that Will is a chaotic force in your writing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's been not, dude.
[UNKNOWN]: What is Will done?
[UNKNOWN]: Help me out here.
[UNKNOWN]: What is Will done to be chaotic to your writing?
[UNKNOWN]: Kaya was three.
[UNKNOWN]: Parvity was 39.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: That's exactly exactly exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: So just so you know Kyle was three poverty was 39.
[UNKNOWN]: That's just a little taste.
[UNKNOWN]: He ranked Danny boat right over Tom Westman.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't even have to do with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know who number one is.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it going to be so unpredictable?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'll tell you our top tank because I did it in.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: He told me top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll take a shot from there.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, it's Chris Dorty.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess it is Todd, all right?
[UNKNOWN]: Earl.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra from Heroes Villains.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it is got to have to really remember this.
[UNKNOWN]: It is both Tony's.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Tim.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: J.T.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm missing one of those doesn't have anything to do with their placement.
[UNKNOWN]: I literally, oh, and Jeremy, I literally just cannot think of the season number.
[UNKNOWN]: Statistically, it should be JT, but if I had to take a guess, I'm guessing Todd.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys all heard it here first.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm guessing Todd, but I don't know what will, the will algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm seeing the comments.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what the will algorithm is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, who knows, but you know, I let, well, I'll find out soon.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, thank you all so much for listening.
[UNKNOWN]: Hope you enjoyed this episode.
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[UNKNOWN]: So that's been fun.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I got.
[UNKNOWN]: I will see you guys all on Sunday when we round out our top winners and we back with West next Thursday.
[UNKNOWN]: Same time.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.