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[SPEAKER_00]: This is amazing episode with a dog owner who is unfortunately dealing with two dogs that are fighting all of a sudden So get this question a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why does it happen?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: and a, let's see, I think he's going to be around a 14 month who knows what, and so I've, I've been in rescue for many years and the pitiful.
[SPEAKER_01]: We got when he was about eight months old.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first group were scared, pancakeed when he met someone new, and we were working with him for the last couple of years, made a lot of progress.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this new one, we got infigory, it was a pop, he was only, I think, seven months when we got him, and it took some time to get them friendly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for some reason, and we're really careful with treats for really careful separating them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for some reason, he's been going like the last high 10 days he's gone after the puppy three times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really aggressively, they do, they've played together, so I'm familiar with play, this is definitely not play.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one time was, we feed them separated and the puppy's racks, the pitbull's mile-el.
[SPEAKER_01]: Puppy finished first and then it was just kind of hanging out because he was waiting to lick
[SPEAKER_01]: The next event a few days later was my son was playing with both of them and started giving the puppy more attention than Milo thought was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so one after him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we've started feeding
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Rex and his normal spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yesterday, I went to though let my little out of his room once everyone was finished.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the pup was behind me, and he just went after the puppy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like something slipped.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know, you know,
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we've tried to do all the reading we can, and is the puppy now pushing back and not being a subservient, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're gonna take him to the vet tomorrow to see if there's something physical, I haven't noticed anything except like it's summer and he has, he's a white dog and he gets, it's you skin in the summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, I mean, in general, it just seems like he's super jealous of the puppy and doesn't want us to give him any attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it could be that for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes this happens with maturity.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if, if.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rex got to a age where Milo all of a sudden is now going to be more confrontational with that that can be it Nobody really knows it sounds to me like it's stemming from resource guarding is the main trigger
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's in my experience once a dog starts to go after another dog due to resources.
[SPEAKER_00]: It transfers to a lot of other places like resource like where your son was playing with the two dogs and gave Rex more attention and then Milo didn't like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it starts to escalate over really.
[SPEAKER_00]: unannounced things that you wouldn't expect.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're sitting on the couch and, you know, Rex walks by and my little jumps up attacks Rex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like those things could start happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when it's, you know, it's starting to happen with attention.
[SPEAKER_00]: So food.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the hardest thing for you right now is because it is all of a sudden and it hasn't always been if it was always been you would already have a management plan in place and it wouldn't be surprising.
[SPEAKER_00]: But because it is new, it's, you know, you're asking yourself a lot of questions and then of course you're also trying to figure out what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, again, it sounds to me like resource guarding, so looking the bowls, the food, attention, people, affection from other people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Separation is good, but in my experience, once you have a dog that really starts to do these behaviors, the best thing to do is manage the two, which you're already doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just because I think it'll, I would assume it's just going to keep getting worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just going to keep escalating where you're not going to be able to like be in the same room with racks without Milo having an issue with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: and you won't know exactly what the trigger is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like you look down and say, hey, Rex, and then my load like hops up.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So your game plan right now is to figure out how you want to handle the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say, here's your options, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say we,
[SPEAKER_00]: we just keep doing what we're doing with as much separation as we can.
[SPEAKER_00]: So keep feeding them separate and making extra precautionary things, putting those into place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So removing the food bowls, removing toys, removing anything that the dogs can possess,
[SPEAKER_00]: kind of stinks for Rex because he's getting the shortening of the stick.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the aggressor.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so, you know, the ball that you can't do bones.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do toys.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do squeakers.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to pick up this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That we learned early on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when he first came, we tried to give them each a toy and that was to toys were off the table at very early on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we've had like
[SPEAKER_01]: because we were very careful about treats, but yeah, the issue is we don't know what's gonna, now it's just like coming out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I'm saying is your options are really to manage the two dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they just, if they don't get along, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's nothing anybody in the world could do to change that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If all of a sudden mylo's like, you know what, Rex is too old, he's too mature.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's too much of an adult dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have an issue with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: like nobody like you keep that's not that's not change but it's not even on the it's not on the table because it's a it's just a personality thing like it's you know it's just like a male in a female you know in the females and he's like how do you just stop the male from you can't that's just that's how they're wired right so
[SPEAKER_00]: You do you do a lot of management and you really have to like tip toe through this and your life to figure out the risk reward assessment here like what what is the Risk what is the rewards of going through the risks right so making sure that the ROI at the end of the tunnel is worth it right where we're
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to you've got to take in the consideration stress.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to take in the consideration quality of life and it sounds like everything's great with what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just I don't think it's a question of can we fix this?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a question of how do we manage this to eliminate and decrease the Incidences and I think you've already done a pretty good job at that, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're removing stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're pulling stuff out
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you just have to figure out what kind of management system you want to put into place to keep the dog safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so, and less it is something of injury, so unless it is something broken nail, broken tooth, tumor, cysts, things that are causing pain and frustration and just being in a really bad mood, and like little tiny things will tip you over, unless it's that and then that gets solved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just with my experience, and I'll just define getting better for you and you tell me if it's not that but I think getting better for most people is will they go back to not having any incidences at all because they've already fought
[SPEAKER_00]: Three times that you've told me about it's it's not a question of if it's a question of when so you may have stretches where you have weeks months Of nothing happening and then all of a sudden something does happen and so that's just the trajectory that that they're on
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think a lot of people kind of go into do mode there, or they're like, this is awful.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to me, it's, I'm not saying you can, you can still bring them for walks together.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can still coexist.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can still be around each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the, in my opinion, I wouldn't let them free range and walk around the house without, you know, pretty good supervision, because you just don't know what's going to trigger something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the day,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, seriously injured or worse, it's Milo's been the whole time like I've been trying to do this for months So I finally got and that and and it's gloom and it's gloom and it's dark, but that's just what I see a lot that I When I see these situations and I consult with these situations and I
[SPEAKER_00]: I do in person with the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I go, look, Milo may never like Rex again, and it could be a mature thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So why didn't he do this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, because he was an adolescent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that he's fully mature, Milo is like, I don't, I don't, and that's just, it's just nature in some dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, it happens all the time in the animal kingdom in many different species, and they'll just kill things that they've got along with, or all life, out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, getting better again has to be defined as.
[SPEAKER_00]: With is is my low all of a sudden never going to make that decision again to go after racks.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's really a coin flip, but to me when it because because really right now he's done it multiple times so it's like will he ever do it again chances are yes it's going to happen again right I mean we can objectively zoom all the way out take dog training out of it take.
[SPEAKER_00]: behavior out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we go, this dog is done this three times now in the last six months or whatever Could this happen again?
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely this the In the reality is is the stats are in front of us that this they're the likelihood of this happening again or high But so the interesting thing with dogs and I think the confusing thing and the frustrating thing and even the sad thing for us owners is sometimes dogs will
[SPEAKER_00]: at completely fine with one another, like for days, sometimes even weeks, play even, pass each other, sleep next to each other, and then all of a sudden, this one thing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You just see rage.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the question is that could it be my low having a screw loose?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, could it be my low having an issue with racks getting fully mature?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's, could it just be resource guarding?
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but at the end of the day, because my low has already choose chosen that out lash and that outlet of like, this is how I feel to answer your question of like, will that ever go away and never happen again?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't, I don't realistically see that as an option.
[SPEAKER_00]: but there's also a lot of things that you can start doing to minimize the risk of it happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's really what I would be focusing on if I were you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like last night for an example, I had a puppy come over because my friend got one and we were doing some filming.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have, you know, so I put my dogs away, boom, in the other room, puppy can do it every once, no stress, no worries.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, that's not super sustainable, you know, for a long period of time, but I think my, I guess my point is is you can manage situations really easily as long as you're, as long as you've accepted that that's what you need to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I find a lot of dog owners fight the idea in their head because they have really good days and they go, oh, this is really great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, they're even playing, they're playbound.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I'm a dog lover just as much as the next person, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But because I've been doing this for so long, I've just seen all of that go really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden one day it goes bad again.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get in the new back track, you regress.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's depressing, it's sad, it's frustrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you got an injured dog and I think a lot of people make that mistake.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where if I have a dog that is bitten and attacked another dog multiple times,
[SPEAKER_00]: then I would, you know, seriously consider just managing the situation to be like, you know what, I don't, I'm going to minimize the risk of this happening or literally just make it zero.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I did last night with that puppy coming over.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have, there's no, the amount of stress it's going to cause for me to see if this puppy does good with my dogs versus me just saying, I'm going to just put my dogs up.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not even a
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, the puppy doesn't live with me, so it's a different, but I'm just saying I chose in that moment for about four or five hours at my house, a hundred percent success.
[SPEAKER_00]: No question.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was very binary.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're there and you're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it and discussion.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason for me to have you guys meet.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no ROI.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's zero, zero, good things coming from you guys meeting because the risks,
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, I just borrowed somebody's puppy and I let my dog come out knowing I didn't know what was going to happen and then something bad happened and then it's on me.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just to give you, you know, context of something I just did less than 24 hours ago with my dog, but so for you again, I mean, I, I just, I think that again you can.
[SPEAKER_00]: When, let me ask you this, when Milo does go after Rex, is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he latch on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does he, cause punctures and injuries?
[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't caused any punctures yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he seems, there, there has not been any broken skin.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and I, like, I break him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're not
[SPEAKER_01]: this happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, but, I mean, there's definitely guilt me.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, I've seen them play.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I know what their play is like.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like this is aggressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: My son who thinks he knows everything in the world, this like, well, mom, she really wanted to hurt him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have hurt him by now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, so, um, yeah, so luckily there's been no injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the frequency is what has the increased frequency is what's concerning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would just say, I would just say to that, I would agree to your sound and nose everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's correct by that.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I ask is because the intentions of the biting definitely plays a role in the intentions to your sense point.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that if I'm seeing, like, okay, so if you called me and you said, hey, my dog Milo has gone after my dog racks five times for whatever, and every sequence, there's a big difference between dogs having like an argument, like, get the hell out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my cable, my food, my bowl, and then racks just squealing and running away.
[SPEAKER_00]: versus a dog, seeking out another dog, pinning it down, grabbing it by its neck, not letting go, thrashing, shaking, et cetera.
[SPEAKER_00]: The intentions are much different.
[SPEAKER_00]: So often times with dog owners because they don't see a lot of, let's say, dog arguments, because it looks violent and it looks like a fight where the dogs are just snarling and teeth are coming out and they're growling and they're growling and they're growling.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if that happens several times without injury, most often times it's on purpose, like it's intentional, that the dog isn't trying to necessarily kill or even like really hurt the other dog, although that could happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just...
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'm not saying that if the dog didn't put holes in the dog that they don't mean it, but what I am saying is, is if we look at the statistics of how many times Milo's gone after Rex and each time he's gone after, even though you've intervened, there hasn't been any injuries and Milo isn't dragging Rex around the house trying to kill it and rip it's head off.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is something, but, you know, it doesn't make you feel any better when they're doing it because when you're doing it, you're like, okay, you know, I don't want anybody to get hurt.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just saying that does mean something like if I have a dog that's like if I had a dog come up and growl at me and reach out and like muzzle punch me, even though it would be really scary and it would look like a attack and I would maybe even fall over and the dog would be growl in and snarling.
[SPEAKER_00]: The reality is, is the dog could have bitten me, grabbed me, pulled me, latched on, shook me, but they didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was communication, that was on purpose.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm here, but, you know, I'm not, so, so the communication between dog and dog, I think a lot of people, especially dog owners who care a lot about their dogs, it becomes very emotional and traumatic and also it
[SPEAKER_00]: And in some cases it is but when you get that like really argumentive like like really quick and then you yell and you break it up We just have to look at like you know the intention behind the full thing and and if so it's just something to consider that The good news is is it could be a lot worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: I talked to a lot of people all the time that Hospital visits year in the ER
[SPEAKER_00]: surgeries, etc.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it definitely could be worse, but also I would just say that that's likely intentional that Milo isn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Either you're being super proactive and you're catching it before he's actually doing damage or Milo's intentions aren't to really hurt Rex.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's to say hey get the F out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my bowl and if you don't I'm gonna fight you over it and then Rex kind of squeals and runs away and then it looks like this whole big thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just something to be mindful of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have intervened very quickly, and so when I've seen this, that my wasn't planning to let rest run away, but.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess a couple of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know how sustainable this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and I'm really pissed because, like, if I have to make a choice between one of these two, like, I'm pissed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so, I, and I work in rescue so that idea of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: a dog like there's already so many out there and so like this is devastating for me, so there's no training for my levels what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: We can't like train out the dirt pressure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good, good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: So no, you can't train it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what you can do, okay, so let me, let me just explain what I would do if you were to say can we just do something?
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I would do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would do high levels of obedience with Milo in particular, meaning I can control that dog under any circumstance under any time, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: 99.9% of times when I talked to dog owners in this exact situation, which is often, they don't have advanced obedience on a dog, which means, if I say, yeah, no, most people don't, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I said, like, it would shock me if somebody did.
[SPEAKER_00]: But my point is this, if you have a dog that is making bad decisions,
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the equation, you zoom all the way out and you go, okay, we have a dog that's making bad decisions.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this dog doesn't listen to you well,
[SPEAKER_00]: how much at risk is racks versus if this dog listened to you really good how much is racks at risk and that's of course when you look at those again objectively like zooming all the way out you would say well if I could control my low I would have less likely altercation in conflict my low go to your bed stay you start to see him side I start to see him get nervous
[SPEAKER_00]: bed stay right so for me it would be you have to put some heavy obedience on my load of be able to control them because I always tell people I would much rather have a man eater that listens to everything I say under any circumstance than an out of control puppy because you can't do anything with an out of control puppy except go up and scratch everybody with their claws and stuff right so obviously the risks are lower but I'm just you get the idea
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if I had a man eater, but they were really well trained, I can walk downtown with no issues because my dog listens to me and I can tell him what to do and what they can't do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's one thing to consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have a dog that's doing some really bad stuff, but we don't have high levels of obedience.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that means in these situations before, after and during, the dog wouldn't listen to us at all, ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not even a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just something to consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's immediately would be my advice to say, okay, if you guys want to make this better, and you want to be able to handle situations and also be proactive in situations, having good levels of obedience to me as transferred to communication.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have good communication with this dog, yes or no?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, okay, so that's the first thing I would start working on.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second thing I would start doing as a trainer is starting to recreate the triggers to see if we can correct some of the behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: So right now, again, likely it's resource carding, so I'd come into your home and we'd basically set them up for failure, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'd put an X-Pen out, we'd put one of the dogs in an X-Pen, which is basically like a baby gate, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Type of thing, and we'd put food bulls down, we'd throw kibble down, and we'd start to wait for this unwanted behavior, this aggressive behavior, whether it's the whale eyes or the growling or the snarling.
[SPEAKER_00]: This gives you an opportunity to start de-escalating the situation and correcting the behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, quit the crap, not appropriate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: So right now, you've never been right now, you've never been able to correct the behavior when it happens in real time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So as the dog is actively doing something that we want to get rid of, we haven't had an opportunity to really correct it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've yelled, we've screened, we've pulled off, but we haven't really corrected the dog with a leash or a collar.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the second thing I would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: So high levels of, yeah, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_01]: How does that work?
[SPEAKER_01]: You put, how does that work with the pens?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you put a pen out, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an X, we call it an X pen.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's essentially just like a fence, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That you can use some panels.
[SPEAKER_00]: OK, you put one inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: You make a circle.
[SPEAKER_00]: You put one of them inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: You put one food bowl inside the pen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You put one food bowl in the other side of the pen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you give them five pieces of food in each bowl.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're eating right next to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: You see, so you start, so you start recreating the potential trigger so you can correct it and you can start working through the problem potentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and so if Milo were to grow or do anything, okay, can you, okay, the other thing, I, because I definitely want to put something in place today, so I think another problem might be so Milo.
[SPEAKER_01]: sleeps in a room.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not, he's not, he doesn't, he's not created, but he's in a room with door shut.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rex, because we got him as a scared tiny puppy, he's in our room in a pen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I also think that that's like my little think Rex is getting something
[SPEAKER_01]: be to sleep with us, Armad, every single night.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I didn't guess we do it once a mile.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would try to do it every day if he wasn't too heavy for my husband, but so we've been really diligent about my little sleeping in his room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is do I need to move Rex's pen?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so he doesn't, like, I've been like, how do I let Rex, how do I let my little see that Rex is not getting something
[SPEAKER_01]: that he isn't and that he wants I don't I don't know how to do that or if I need to but I just I feel like smile a little look out the door and we like hey how can I bend my room and this guy's going to the bedroom
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think the damage is already done so that I don't think that that's going to make or break anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, that wouldn't be super high in my list of things to change, but if you were to do, if you were to do it, I would just start creating Rex.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, ideally, you would just create them right next to each other, make them equal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, I, that would be ideal, but again, like, I'm really big on, again, risk reward assessment here, like, how much stress is it going to cause everybody in the house to all of a sudden start creating these two dogs that they've never, you know, been in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, ideally, that's what would happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is to create them right next to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: And some dogs care, some dogs don't, you know, in that, so I wouldn't beat yourself up too much about that, but it could play a role.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously if Milo is being, he's taking notes on what Rex gets to do and what he doesn't, so you kind of create this animosity or this tension or this conflict between him because Rex might be getting special treatment.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a thing, you know, it's kind of like you, you taking a dog and walk and going out the door and walking and the other dogs sitting there like So it's tough to say, but again, you've got to have to rip the bandaid off and just say, hey, you guys are both created.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, again, part of this list of training would be great training.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, like that puppy who came over yesterday, I have a couple crates around my house and I was cooking dinner And doing a bunch of stuff and I just wasn't ready to train the dog at that time So I just put him in the crate and then I can do my own thing and what that does is I don't have to worry about it So my wife was like where's the puppy?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like in the crate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, thank God.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're good
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we may have a p-accident, but we're not going to be getting into furniture, we're getting into stuff, you know, things like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the crate, again, is like an absolute nobody's going to get hurt here, and you can breathe and relax and be calm and...
[SPEAKER_00]: have a good because your energy and how you act as you know matters considerably so if you're walking on egg shells all day like where's my lowest racks where's the bulls where's the toy is who's talking to who that really isn't a good to your point like you said it's not sustainable and the reason why it's not sustainable is because of that like you're going to you're going to take years off of your health of like worrying about that all the time and so if you had crates you already know pink pink done you're good you don't have to worry about
[SPEAKER_00]: So crate training is not a bad idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely it could make things a hundred percent like better than where you're at because it gives you some sort of peace of mind knowing one of them is in the crate and that's part of like the crate and rotate to program.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so you'd start off with, you know, again, hey, time I got a dog that's not listening to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: How how do they let it in?
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I would say how's your communication with them?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not that good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: and it wouldn't have mattered if you said well he's biting the other dog or he said no he's great he goes to school with me and visits kids all day he just won't listen it's the same principle if you want a better relationship with your dog and you want less stress with your dog you have to have high levels of communication in order to really to achieve that
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then the second thing would be, again, trying to set them up with that trigger, so you can correct the behavior.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you can teach Milo, like, if he starts to be aggressive during these situations, he may think twice about it, which would be the objective.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's...
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some would say, well, it's a pretty natural thing for resourcing and it is, but not to the extent where you want to be living, like again, the cause of you having to potentially re-home one of the dogs would be because of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: In order to try to save face in your own home and potentially keep your dogs in a safer environment, we definitely want Milo to know that that is not appropriate and you don't want to see it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because right now he's not even thinking about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If he gets pissed off, he's short-fusing and going.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's like, you know, there's no barrier, there's no resistance.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, yeah, I'm going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's going to do anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's done anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you start giving him the same thing with recall or heal, it's like once you start, once the dog knows there's some accountability for not listening or doing something they shouldn't do, they think twice and that's something with people, it's human psychology, it's animal psychology.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's a risk of potential getting punished or accountability, they definitely think twice.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then the crate training obviously would be really good and then just management in general like again You can walk these dogs together.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like Milo is out for blood every second.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just In my opinion from what you've told me in some environmental Things so it's not going to be consistent.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are certainly dogs who All of a sudden they're like at any opportunity.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out for blood.
[SPEAKER_00]: Excuse me, but that's not him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have still, you still have opportunities to co-exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go on walks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like I would say put, I'm going to come over to your house, put both your dogs in a place and we'll talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They won't stay there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know how to, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are all things, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I would say, okay, these two dogs are at risk of fighting,
[SPEAKER_00]: your mental health, your stress levels, and the opportunity to keep both of your dogs in the same home depends on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I turn around and said, you know what?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just decrease the risk of them fighting considerably by placing them on two separate beds and opposites of the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to get them to stay there while we talk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, that's what you need and I, and I always, unfortunately, this, it always happens like this where I tell people all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, don't wait for there to be this issue to then go, oh, I need to start training my dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, if you had a good training plan in place, this would, you may not have even called me.
[SPEAKER_00]: You would have just said, my logo to your bed and stay and you de-escalated the situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that would be my
[SPEAKER_00]: You can definitely, depending on how serious it is, and you have a good chance of stopping him from doing something with suppression.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that means, for an example, we put the two bulls out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because he's been punished and corrected for going after his, his housemate Rex, and the punishment means more to him than going after Rex, then he's going to just walk away from the situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: but it's not it's not that we have trained him to like racks and be okay with racks eating he's like, I don't want to get in trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to I'm going to make a better decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's a lot of suppression and you know suppression and dog training for whatever reason gets about rap, but it's part of life with dogs like they want to do a lot of different stuff and we have to be able to teach them what they can and can't do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Dr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Train Rex to a Rex is very dumb.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's one of the dumbest odds I'd come, which makes him so sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so just incredibly delightful.
[SPEAKER_01]: My little smart, my little is extremely, I mean, my little, my training is about 50% right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Under normal circumstances, if I pull out a treat and I say if they see it's going to place and no questions asked, can he's not wait for his treat?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No treat involved.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll eventually go, but it's not immediate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm, so what does a training schedule look like?
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where I have always like kind of not really known.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it training for an hour?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like, like, what does a schedule look like to have a highly obedient dog?
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing is, I've always done uncomfortable with crates.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I do know why, because they look at you like, why did you put me in here?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to be with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I want to be with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I
[SPEAKER_01]: how resistant to crates.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why Rex has a pen.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why Milo has his bed in a small office.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to feel these dogs.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, and like this is, like if I commit for six months, that is the highly trainable and or is it for the rest of his life?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm between cradying and training
[SPEAKER_01]: like he never gets to sit on my lap and snuggle like how does this work?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough to say, I mean, only time will tell because you haven't started the process, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have two untrained dogs that are having issues in the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is the aggressor for sure, but they're still having, they're both having issues.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think like my, all of my, my money would be into Milo for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Rex is like, if you can get Milo away from Rex on a dime, that's your goal, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, that's gonna be gold for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, definitely having good training with, I mean, just being able to place them from a distance is huge, even both of them, even if you wanted to work on that with Rex, to answer your original question, I typically train, just off the dog, like, you know, just like with students with kids, you don't want to get to a point where they're just basically throwing a fit and it's not, it's not helpful at that point.
[SPEAKER_00]: I typically, my training sessions are 10 to 15 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're throughout the day, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're multiple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you could do 15 times a day.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do 15 minute sessions, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: You just keep going.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it depends on the dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you get a little mal and mal puppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could do half an hour sessions all day, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you get another dog, that's like, not super motivated or whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So really just 10 to 15 minute short and sweet is good.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then give him a break, and then an hour later
[SPEAKER_01]: And do you train multiple tasks throughout a day or do you do one at a time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you need to make this and then move on to the next one?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, good question.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it really depends on the dog, just like as it does with the human, like can you, can this person handle all these things definitely or, no, no, they're gonna be, they're gonna fail.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like our tolerances are workload or threshold for,
[SPEAKER_00]: All of that new information.
[SPEAKER_00]: It depends on the breed of course, you know, so I typically will do like two new behaviors And then once the dog gets it which could be two to three days.
[SPEAKER_00]: I move on to another one, but I keep in the cycle.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I teach place and stay
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I started a Monday and by Wednesday, we're pretty dang good at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be teaching break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, you know, so So you really just kind of Chained things together as the dog starts to pick them up, but you always keep it in rotation to keep them Prash and sharp So but again, it depends on the dog like I've taught and I've taught dogs in 10 minutes.
[SPEAKER_00]: How to down.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've taught dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: How to down in a week because of They're like oh
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it just depends, so the crate stuff, I get it, I know what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, you know, in the beginning when I start creating my dogs, it's a different experience.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people, when they talk about crates, they think of it as a punishment system and they're definitely people out there that do it for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, it never is that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, again, like with the puppy last night, I'm making dinner for somebody's birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's kids running around, all this stuff's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the puppy's like, oh, hey, I'm here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're going in this safe place because I got stuff to do and I don't want you to get, I don't want you to get into anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, for me, the crate in the very beginning with all my personal dogs and even my clients, even at my facility where we do board and train, that's just their place where we know they're safe and stable and it's basically they're the only place in the house that's theirs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the crate is just, again, if you don't teach the crate in the beginning and then all of a sudden start putting your dog in there, it is going to be aversive to them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are not going to like it, they're going to win, they're going to kick, they're going to screen, they may not go in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's normal if you don't introduce it, but in the beginning, that's why it's important as the crate because you want to go, you want to get a coffee, you want to take a shower, you need to answer the phone, you need to go on a phone call, yeah, you can put them in the other room, there's nothing wrong with that, but what if your son comes in, let's amount now, they're both out here in other fighting, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's all these different things that could happen if you don't put them in a secure place.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's to each zone, I don't think outside of obviously traveling and being in the car and the safety precautions, like obviously the crate is, especially if you get a good crate, it's bar none, it's not even a question if it's safer or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the rotation process in which you should be implementing the crates are just easier because you can keep the dogs next to each other and they're on the same page.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's in one room, nobody's in the bed room.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're right here next to each other, they're sleeping next to each other, they're eating next to each other, and you're on a rotation with the dogs and you're creating structure and you're creating boundaries, and right there is going to be big.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if Milo doesn't have a lot of boundaries and structures in training, he's basically grown up without any really any rules.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for him to lash out and make bad decisions and do,
[SPEAKER_00]: things is not uncommon for dogs like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, what are you going to do about it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I never get in trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never gotten corrected.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never been reprimanded.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never been held accountable.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when they want to do something, there's nothing in their brain that thinks about whether they should do it or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just do it because their whole life is, I do what I want.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the crate really just brings them back down to reality to say, hey, you're a dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you, but this is your place.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because I think we just, you know, we put our emotions on it too much and that's where things start to get hairy, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So like that's the thing is, you know, when a puppy, like you said, starts off life bad, the last thing they need is,
[SPEAKER_00]: ultimate freedom but they really need a structure and guidance and leadership because that's what they crave more than anything and then you start to create unfortunately these these things right we're like oh maybe I shouldn't have done that because now we started it now it's hard to get rid of and so it's all common practice but my suggestion would be putting things in structure and you know doing the best you can to keep the dogs at a plane field so it's safe
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I would hesitate right now to let them out of the crate at the same time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so then, like, let's say I do crate trainer, um, and they've both been crate trade.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, uh, we just, it seemed, like I could go with the pen in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the time I got them, um,
[SPEAKER_01]: So what does, like, what does a day look like for a highly trained doc?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, yeah, eating the crate.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like,
[SPEAKER_01]: is the in the crate if I'm not actively engaged with him is like what does that look like?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think for your circumstances in particular it would be yeah, I would be eating in the crate settling for 30 minutes and then we'd go out for a walk.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it depends on your leash skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you have one dog that is potentially dangerous towards the other, you can't walk them at the same time because you don't have the skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another thing, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if I have a dog that is aggressive or whatever, I just put my dog into a heel and away we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what it would look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is first thing is that, you know, you, I mean, for me, it would be letting them out to go potty and then it would be putting him into their crate feeding them and then bringing them for walk or vice versa.
[SPEAKER_00]: You bring them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what I do is I bring my dog, typically I bring my dogs for walk in the morning,
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for you, it would be very similar to where you'd let them out, you'd walk them, you'd get some energy out.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can do both of them if you have good leash skills.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if there's zig-zag in and they're in front of you and they're pulling and they don't listen to you, it's going to be dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't want to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, reason number 450 UI, it's important to have...
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter what kind of dog you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you have good communication and you have good advanced obedience, you could do so much more.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you tell them both heal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're walking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, break.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going potty.
[SPEAKER_00]: You bring them back.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can do it separate too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like today, you can start them separate.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you are training them and then and then you work whatever your work life situation is and then if you have time If you work from home or if you have breaks, you know, you would work them throughout the day if not when you got home Same thing they go out for potty and then you'd start working them and the key things I would be working on is the place the recall and the leave it So that's essentially come to me go away from me and stop doing what you're doing those are the three commands that are gonna be
[SPEAKER_00]: really life-changing for you, especially for Milo, like if you can tell Milo to just go to his place and then that way you're you know, helping the situation not to escalate into something, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Recall, again, same thing, like getting, getting one or two dogs just come to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, that will really be helpful when you're escalating situations.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, staying there for long periods of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's just the more control.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think right now you're fighting it up hill battle because of the lack of Training, but I will say this the other thing that could be happening, which Could really be helpful for you is I've even seen lack of their of training cause this issue actually
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you start putting some boundaries and training in, you could start to see the relationship between the dog start to change as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: So how long are they in the crate?
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole day?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like if I'm home, not engaging with them, they should be in the crate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like right now they're sitting, they're sitting out in the living room.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, and that's like their standard practice.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just, my other sits on his place or one into the couch and then rest sits on another end of the couch.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I don't think they have to be created.
[SPEAKER_00]: Personally, especially because they haven't lived like the crate lifestyle.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's many, many dog owners that that is, like, you're in the crate and then,
[SPEAKER_00]: when I'm home you're out when you know because there's just certain dogs like that right like I've had multiple dogs in my life that could be left out no issues and then I've had dogs in my life where I'm like you you just have this personality where I have to be on you all of time because you're going to get you're going to get into trouble no matter what the training is.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think because they're not used to the crate I would just be separating them within the house if you're not creating them for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: So even if it's that one room or even a baby gate or something to separate them, I would absolutely be doing that to keep them safe and keep them away from each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I would be doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it like if I can fee both of them right now?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or should they be separated?
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that's why I'm trying to like, well, it depends.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never be together.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying is, okay, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's for an example.
[SPEAKER_00]: If my low got up right now, because Rex found a ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: and you go, oh crap, you don't have the skill sets.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're exposing them for like the risk of them being not separated is really high.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because you don't have level three obedience, it's even higher because you can't say my locum and he's it's back to you regardless of what Rex has.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do that likely.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so those are things to consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what I'm saying is the moral obedience you have and the more control you have, the more you're going to be able to let them do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're right now on a call which you are and you're monitoring them and you're watching, again, if something starts to unravel right before your eyes, you've encapsulated them in that same space and you're kind of asking for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: can and I'm trying to watch the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can you have a highly obedient dog without a crate?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, as long as his own safe place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the crate doesn't create the obedient dog.
[SPEAKER_00]: The crate is just a tool that we use to keep a dog safe when we're, you know, again, like that puppy coming over.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, I can't put him in a room.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what he's going to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: He, he's at risk of hurting himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I just put him in a crate, I know 100% he's going to be safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the crate is just a, it's just a preference.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a, it's a preference for pet owners.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, I feel like like I try to say like that's his time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows he's saying he knows he has to relax.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows he gets to really.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I sometimes feel like I don't put into enough place.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Should they always walk in here?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, the heel is, you know, just like anything else, like a horse galloping or cantering or trotting.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you kind of, you decide when we're going to heal and when we're going to break and be, do whatever we want, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're, when you're asking your dogs to heal, it's, they are walking nicely on a loose leash.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, the opposite of that is them being in front of you, Chris Crossing, sniffing each other, getting close to each other, bumping into each other,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they find a donut, somebody threw out the window or an apple, and now you've got a fight because they're Chris Cross in and all over the place.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the heel is just something to add, you know, to keep them in a certain position.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that way you can dictate how the walk is is going to go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's heal for me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's healing break.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to ask you to heal, which is walk nicely, and then when I tell you to break, you're free, and you can break, and then you can do it, do whatever you want, but it's on your discretion.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want the dogs to just do whatever they want to do, because, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially with your dogs like you know, it's different if you have like two aloof dogs that could care less you can get away with less conflict, but now you have a dog that you know is being aggressive and making bad decisions and you don't know when it's gonna happen and so of course you have to make sure that you have really good structure and control
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can do it just, you know, starting today, you just go through your life being mindful of what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like in your head, all you need to go is risk reward.
[SPEAKER_00]: Think about that, like you should think about that forever.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go, what is that, like, okay, you just asked, like they're in the same room.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the worst case scenario that happened?
[SPEAKER_00]: If it, well, Milo could get pissed at Rex for any number of things and fight them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we have another incident.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're, you're,
[SPEAKER_00]: Your adrenaline's jacked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're breaking up dog fights.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bad so it's like to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm oh again same thing with the puppy Not my puppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be responsible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm putting the puppy in the crate.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't get into Kids toys and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah It's like I make things I set every dog up that I work with for success and that's how I've Ben successful with dogs as I know I'm gonna be smart here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not gonna try to push things.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I appreciate the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very nice to meet you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like voice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Many times with your videos.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have had fostered about probably 50 dogs and 25 are delightful and 25 are tough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Break her.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and the delightful ones, oath.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I may reach out again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just feel like I need to show it to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hey, Raxi, boy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Looks sweet.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's so sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you live?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just outside of Seattle, Washington.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and also keep me posted on what the vet says too, because you might find something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I will.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll certainly reach out again.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go back to my basics and then get those home dinner and then see what else we may need to work on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just think throughout the day things that you like low hanging fruit that you can think about to decrease potential risks of things happening and that's your job.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you want to decrease the stress and then therefore you decrease the amount of times that they could potentially fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, okay, you're picking on your brother, so I'm going to keep you away from him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really that simple, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if you start implementing those things, you'll start to notice things will be calmer and more chill, and you don't have to make rash decisions and get rid of one if you're willing to manage it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, just seeing them, they look sweet and they look nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be situational.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be resource guardian, so as long as you can keep it safe.
[SPEAKER_00]: because there's many people who don't have the luxury of what you have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they couldn't go near each other, they would kill each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have a situational road.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've had those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've had those.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's kind of like, I'm like your worst, well maybe not your worst.
[SPEAKER_01]: I might be your favorite client because I do it really well for the first month.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, okay, we're all set.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can put your guard down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we were very close introducing them and I'm like, oh, gosh, hey, we're good.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know what we can't do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: To put off the gas pedal so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, again, thank you so very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for all that you do.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like heartwarming.
[SPEAKER_01]: How many people that you help and thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you're out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Have a great rest of your day, it was pleasure to meet you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You too, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, take care, bye-bye.