[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers Journey through the wormhole with Quark to Axe and their good friends Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your hosts for today are my fellow trek actors, Arman Schimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeill, and myself, Garrett Wong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great to see everybody, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nice to be here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, uh, it's, uh, it's, you look nice, Sormon.
[SPEAKER_01]: You, uh, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I just, uh, a dress shirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a nice looking, it's a nice shirt.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I learned from my makeup artist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's nine.
[SPEAKER_00]: That blue was a good color for me to wear.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very flattering color.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very flattering.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's going on with you?
[SPEAKER_01]: Robbie, anything in your life?
[SPEAKER_02]: Right now we don't have gardeners on the right because we kind of live in a desert environment so you need the yard work I do it or we're back in I do it together right I think for the very first time I've got a gardener here today in tomorrow because it's just gotten out of control and I I tried to do yard work myself recently and I was like oh wow we've let it go there's a lot to do so I
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to your property, probably, I'm shocked that you and Rebecca have done your own yard work up until now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really shocked.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do all of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's it is a big lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot here, but there's it's a, you know, mountain desert environment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but there's still there's still shrubs and things all around though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we've got to cut the limbs on the trees.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what these guys are here doing to definitely really taking down some of the dead limbs and yeah, and the dead trees.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, the stragglers that are popping up everywhere.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have an acre?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do you we have a little over an acre?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, a little bit over.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's almost identical with their fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you have a little over an acre?
[SPEAKER_01]: We got to see her lovely back yard
[SPEAKER_02]: We did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we have some birthdays right around this time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's jump into it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got Dominic Burgess on July 29th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our good friend Dominic, happy birthday Dominic.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dominic, the happiest of birthdays, happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, Dominic, our resident fest be in happy birthday to you, sir.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, we have Tim Newmark at the end of July.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's being a little coy and not sharing his hair.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing his duty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tim Newmark, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone just pick a date at the end of July, and let's just say that that is Tim's birthday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday to Tim.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tim, I know your birthday is on July the 33rds, but happy birthday, happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: July 33rd is a wonderful day.
[SPEAKER_02]: What a great day.
[SPEAKER_02]: 733.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: We hope you have a great great day.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have one more birthday that is Sean Robbins on July 30th.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sean have a great day.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sean happy happy happy happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: July 30th.
[SPEAKER_01]: What a wonderful day.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a birthday of Sean Robbins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy birthday Sean.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's jump into some poetry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's start with Robby's synopsis, which I don't look at beforehand.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little lemric for the episode sacrifice of angels.
[SPEAKER_02]: There once was a battle barely one.
[SPEAKER_02]: When the dominion defenses came undone, their reinforcements got erased, so way you and retreated with haste, and the station was finally one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had to start with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Their once was because last time I said it was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a classic Limeric start.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you said.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I forced that there once was a battle barely one.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It worked perfectly.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't pull me out at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It did.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was inflowed so well, Robbie.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should pack yourself on the back of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: What did you rhyme with waste?
[SPEAKER_00]: Haste.
[SPEAKER_00]: A waste.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very good, very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here is my high coup for sacrifice of angels.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cisco breaks the line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mind's gone, profits stop onslaught.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do cut loses mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really does.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what profits what stop onslaught, like the onslaught of the reinforcement forces coming through.
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard that, but because of who I am and because of what I played and because of the character on their show, I thought profits PRO-F-I-T is, and so what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, it's profits about the others.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harman, what about your edamal?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A sacrifice of angels was first used on Star Trek Deep Space Nine, which originally aired on November 1997.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where the phrase comes from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they invented it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They invented it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The sacrifice of Cisco's giving up a peaceful life on Bayshore in exchange for saving the affaquadrant.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a parallel to Moses who must sacrifice living in the Promised Land.
[SPEAKER_00]: for bringing his people into Israel into the promised land.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there's that that was part of the research I did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, going to the etymology of words, sacrifice is from Belatin, Sacrofissium in the definition of sacrifice is to make an offering or sacrifice of, first used in English in 1250.
[SPEAKER_00]: A second definition, that which is offered in sacrifice, a victim emulated on the altar, anything offered to a God or a deity,
[SPEAKER_00]: an active homage.
[SPEAKER_00]: The second word, Angel, an early two-tonic adoption from Latin.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then again, the word was influenced by old French.
[SPEAKER_00]: But previous to that, the word came from Hebrew, Malach, which originally meant messenger from Jehovah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the definition.
[SPEAKER_00]: A ministering or divine messenger.
[SPEAKER_00]: one of an order of spiritual being superior to man, in power, and intelligence, second definition, a guardian, or a tendon spirit, and in Shakespearean terms, a token of or a piece of money worth a noble, having the picture of the archangel, Michael piercing the dragon in Scrimdarnet.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's oftentimes when Shakespeare has a line about
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, a lot of interesting background there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, let us move to our Patreon submitted poetry, Winner Robbie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, this is a micro epic submitted by snazzyo and it is titled, A Gambit With The Gods.
[SPEAKER_02]: The lives of billions hang in the balance, but we are losing despite our talents.
[SPEAKER_02]: So make one more plea to keep age or free, but miracles like magic are not random chance, and we do not control who will dance, beware of this victory comes with a price and foolish to think you're the sacrifice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very easy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thought provoking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we are losing despite all our talents.
[SPEAKER_01]: So make one more plea to keep major free.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a nice little pacing to this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a patrons a bit of poetry honorable mention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rhyming narrative verse submitted by Jason Oken.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: When sacrifice of angels tipped the scale, a miracle performed has turned the tide, reclaiming what oppression had curtailed, and hedonics reign is cast aside, though penance for the triumph may await, the home once lost returns to welcome sight, and life suspended by the hordes of hate resumes its course beneath familiar light.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: J.J. J. Hetzla, as Martak Melody Smith, as Y'all, Casey Biggs, as D.M.R.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chase Masterson, as Lita.
[SPEAKER_01]: Salamayjans, as the female changeling, Darren Cooper, as a Cardassian officer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody want to say anything about anybody in you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've talked about all these actors, other than Darren Cooper, who I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Brigadier was in the security office, right, or in the, he was the guard.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the guard that falls into the, uh, souffle, right, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he, and he ruined it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, this, you're, you're lying reading on that was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, uh, trivia, this episode contains the largest battle ever seen in Star Trek.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you see on screen and I have to ask Dan Curry at one point or another, was he happy about this or not?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he had to keep redoing battlesings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes they just steal them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They steal them from other episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first Star Trek episode where CGI is used exclusively.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's all CGI.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dan Curry and Bradley Thompson, who was once a pilot, both consulted on the battle sequence because the producers wanted to do something with specific military tactics, as opposed to just two fleets shooting at one another.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is very complex.
[SPEAKER_00]: strategy of movements and what not happening that are military-based, so I was very taken with the near misses of the defined near missing other ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was really taken with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh, so impressive.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's funny because for me as a kid, this is what I wanted to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I was watching Star Wars and loving it, I wanted to track the original series to be, show me something like this and it took all the way until DS9 to finally come up
[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, another bit of trivia, the story document for this episode was distributed around Paramount with a typo on the cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of being entitled Sacrifice of Angels, it was entitled Sacrifice of Angles.
[SPEAKER_01]: A.N.G.A.L.E.S.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was Stephen Bear has jokingly said that he prefers the angles title.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, well great.
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode first aired on November 3rd, right the week before my birthday in 1997.
[SPEAKER_02]: She was going to perform my birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you guys are both Scorpios.
[SPEAKER_02]: Scorpios, yeah, so yeah, if we start off on the bridge, we pick up in this, you know, second part with, you know, the Federation making this push towards these face nines, this goes on the bridge of the defiant, he orders the attack fighters to go in and hit the Kardashianships, provoke the Kardashians into breaking formation, create a gap in the dominion of defenses and miles and and Bashir are dealing with their nerves by
[SPEAKER_02]: reciting poetry out loud, which annoys Nog, who's very also very nervous about this strategy, this battle, and the battle begins, and criticisms aren't taking the bait right away, these attack fighters.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard the term attack fighters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not a track, definitely not a track.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the whole purpose of this attacking the Kardashian, again, to try to bait them, but really just to punch a hole so that they can get through to head on over to the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they know that the only hope that they have is to shut down that Graviton pulse, which is going to deactivate all the replicating features of those mines, and then the mines will be detonated after that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the whole goal there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's a bit of trivia about that poem.
[SPEAKER_01]: The poem quoted by O'Brien and Bashir is the charge of the light brigade a narrative poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson about the Crimean War written in 1854.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for those of you who know about this, the details of this, it was an entire cavalry unit charging against an artillery unit, I think, it was just all cannons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, it's not the one's absolutely right and this is a denim to that which I think is interesting I don't think the writers meant to reference this at all But that cavalry unit then went in in on the suicide mission the commander of that made a huge mistake.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't supposed to charge
[SPEAKER_00]: Really the captain just decided okay, we're going to charge and any made a mistake He either he read the order wrong or But he the captain made a huge mistake.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the writers He tended to realize that maybe Cisco has made a mistake
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, that's interesting that he made it similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely, and by the way, so Bashir, you know, jumps in with miles quoting this poem, but I've been feeling lately, like they have not written much for Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they haven't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like he's been oddly missing from episodes and doing this sort of thing where he just, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: Quotes a poem and that's his scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very strange.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why why they weren't right truth be told I don't think he belongs on the brick on the bridge We talked about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason for him to be doing anything on the bridge So I guess that they in order for him to be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to give him something you know needs a residual scenes
[SPEAKER_01]: It's bizarre, but you're exactly on the money, Robby, because the minute he found out that he was, well, the minute that it came out that he was genetically enhanced.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember that episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then after that, every episode after, Bashir is literally, in my opinion, and afterthought, it's like he'll have some random life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if they realized like the captain in the library again that they made a mistake saying he was genetically enhanced because now if they put him in some of these scenes as a critical player he should have the ability to solve problems in a superhero way in a way that they may not want and they may have gone uh oh yeah we've made the story that's kind of screwed us over in other stories so let's just keep him out of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's push him out of it because if he's that
[SPEAKER_01]: gifted he should be calling all this all the strategy all the military you know i'm saying he should be saying okay do you know what pattern you know all of us you know we're hey Cisco i i know you're going with this but my my calculation show that the percentage of success on that uh tactic is not as high as if you use this one so
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's assuming that his AI intelligence is for everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is sometimes a problem I have in watching the show, for instance, in this scene, we have DAX as the pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, DAX is the science officer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, correct.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we sort of jump responsibilities and so I agree with you, Garrett, that he should be consulted on statistics, on numbers, on odds, on how long it'll take, numbers are his forte.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't necessarily have to be the person who knows how to militarily take advantage of the situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: that's true because he wouldn't have had that training either that's right as a tractor so and but to speak to I know you're coming about to ask but again we mentioned this before Robbie mentioned this before but her past life as a pilot probably is what she has that knowledge inside of her ready so that's a little bit more plausible I would say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they could have taken this Bashir just to beat that horse here on the Bashir thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they could have taken the Bashir genetically enhanced thing into a almost data sort of like he could be really smart and they could have put him into these stories where hey Bashir you're genetically enhanced tell us about this do some numbers what's a calculation whatever
[SPEAKER_02]: But he doesn't have the way that data had to learn about other things about being human.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe a genetically enhanced person we could have started to reveal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but she sort of struggles in these areas, but he's got a super power in these areas.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been an interesting story if they had felt like they were in trouble with the genetic enhanced thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They could have found some other flaw in the way that data was not perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was an Android, but had to learn a lot of other things about being human.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it just feels like he's disappeared.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what it also feels like.
[SPEAKER_01]: It also feels like the character is sort of given up on life in a way.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just he doesn't even have the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know how to explain it.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's that one episode where he had his suit just opened up and his arms really sleeve.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he just didn't care anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just seemed like the minute he
[SPEAKER_01]: Realized everyone knew he was genetically enhanced that he just sort of gave up it just Yeah, and I'm sure that Sid probably was happy to have all this time off.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh Sure, you love him.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just had a baby and yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was thrilled.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but as a viewer watching it, I sort of missed that character.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like watching him do his work and he's good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they haven't given him a whole lot of attention.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, hopefully he gets to come back into the
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to ops with our evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do caught and the evil access of power.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're watching the battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, it's those little communicators and bulls again for ships and it's like little startfully.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just use the feathers flying around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Use the Federation logo, the emblem.
[SPEAKER_01]: That makes the most sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't use a combatge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was watching those, I wondered, where there was there on the actual filming day?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or where they put in later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say later in post-loverly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Decaught and the gang are watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: I like when Decaught turns to weigh in and he's to go, oh, you see what's happening here, don't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Wayne's like, yeah, of course I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he calls him out, he's like, why don't you explain it?
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, if you know a change like you know it all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then what was his response?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, no, you're a verb, it's your description.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he says something that get out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: He can't even do it as well as you would.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is the cut chance to kind of get back a little bit at, well, you're from the founder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, in front of the founder too, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Without getting, yeah, he's doing it a way that he's not going to get in trouble, which is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he explains to caught eventually explains that Cisco's trying to open up a hole in the lines to reach deep space, knowing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And we learn the scene that the mind field is going to be destroyed in eight hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we get a clock on things here.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they mentioned nine hours here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Later on, Cisco's team will say eight hours.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they mentioned nine, but I could be wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not that bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should be able to detonate the minds in eight hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should do cops.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wayun says eight hours.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll hold you to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a wayun trying to be a Mr. Boss Mr. Tony.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the eight hours is really there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That Graviton pulse is is deactivating each replicator of each mind one by one.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why it's going to take that rest of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: hours and then all the other thing that the way you and says is that's certain not we in.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that decots says is he's going to allow Cisco to break through for a second and then close up on him and just destroy him.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the the end goal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is absolutely what which they didn't do well in the last episode, which they do extremely well in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: The clock ticking.
[SPEAKER_01]: They remind you over and over how much time is left.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You feel the tension of that authentic and cloth for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the way you know the founder leave, tomorrow warns do caught that there could be more sabotage and that they shouldn't detain Kira, lead a Jake.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the suspected collaborators.
[SPEAKER_02]: They decided to detain them for questioning and then Demarsick just also keeping Z.
[SPEAKER_02]: All in her quarters and to
[SPEAKER_02]: He just has to not like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very angry.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did like Allen's croakers blocking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I liked the direction in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do cop moving around, tomorrow moving around, the camera pushing in on these dramatic moments, I thought it was really good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Allen does that all through the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really noticed that and was really pleased by the heat keeps the actors moving all the time.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always a sense of action.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's never just two people talking to each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're talking to each other, but they're on the move as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it often really emphasizes and elevates tonally, whatever that energy that's feeling that you're supposed to have.
[SPEAKER_02]: If people are trying to solve a problem and they're brainstorming, you get that sort of blocking an energy.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they're coming together, tension building before a fight, you get that sort of blocking.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very good at elevating the emotional experience of the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think in a great way, he's got a good instinct for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: The last two lines of this scene, Demar says she doesn't appreciate what it means to be Cardiacian or to be your daughter to God says, but she is my daughter.
[SPEAKER_01]: That may mean nothing to you, but it means everything to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Demar, you should have listened everything to God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he told you and you right there, buddy, don't kill my daughter.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've got a quarks next, super secret meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, look at this blocking, Armin, you're standing, kind of keeping guard.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone else is sitting there, but they're not really looking at each other.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're whispering under their breath.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because it kept that great composition.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Great composition.
[SPEAKER_02]: Super secret meeting, they're discussing the reports of the battle, conclude that they must stop this mine field from being destroyed before reinforcements can arrive from the Gamma Quadrant and Kira proposes a bomb, which says we could bomb the main computer, prevent the mines from being detonated,
[SPEAKER_02]: And she even volunteers to plant this device.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before they can act, tomorrow arrives with the bunch of guards takes care of Jake and Leeda and he custody.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, they're arrested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was particularly taken with the fact that Quark doesn't like the idea because he would put a king into his business.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he also says that's heavily guarded.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to get in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I think that probably is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was heavily guarded before.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we needed Odo to dismantle the security system.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I also find it interesting that Quark is part of this collaborator thing, but they don't suspect him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's very good at keeping himself looking going through your, yeah, through your control.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said a very good job of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's bonded with Demar over Knaar, so that helps as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, that rhymes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you were doing a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you're going to do a line reading from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I love so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, go ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Armit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's done a very good job of staying neutral.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because he's neutral, he's gotten a lot of information.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good spy wood in passing him along to his friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: His allies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's critical because they're getting detained in a rest.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's critical that you stay out of that trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: They need somebody to stay clean and you're the one.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and I'm extremely appreciative of the fact that the writers and the director gave me a single after their arrested where you're not quite sure whether my character is
[SPEAKER_00]: upset about this in the sense fearful that he could be next or what is he going to do now to free his brother if the people that he needs have just been arrested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a lovely shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very I'm very proud of it and very grateful for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: very much so you are the hero in this episode in a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of giving you the responsibility as a character to solve this problem.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you think he will.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think or is he still not really or won't?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's no, you know, slucky comedic, fringy writing here for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So which is great to thank God.
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank Lord.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God Lord on that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to ops next to Mars.
[SPEAKER_02]: The area says nine waves of fighters have continued to harass the Kardashian lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're very persistent.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do cuts is okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Give them what he wants.
[SPEAKER_02]: Break off half a dozen squadrons.
[SPEAKER_02]: Chase them.
[SPEAKER_02]: I found that do cut very suspicious here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's where or cocky or something in cocky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's cocky, but I would also say that this is, you know, we rarely get a glimpse of tactics in any battles.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's in terms of real, real-time tactics from both sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: Both sides.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Usually we just see the one side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's so nice and refreshing to see this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it may be tuned in with the fact that they wanted the graphics to imitate that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wanted to see real, but you said earlier, they'd really wanted to see in the graphics actual tactical attacks.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the battle scenes in this episode too, the space scenes are insane.
[SPEAKER_02]: The number of ships, the level of complexity to the way that they're all exploding and moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I say this?
[SPEAKER_01]: It rivals and I'm going to even say it surpasses any battle scene in Star Wars that I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest and I'm a huge Star Wars fan, so it was just out of this world.
[SPEAKER_02]: It really was.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: we go to back to the Defiant Bridge, Cardassian ships break formation.
[SPEAKER_02]: They see this creates an opening.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Jackson, this year worn, it could be a trap.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she or we were talking about this year before, but she or just offended it about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a trap.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a trap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's his big part in the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to say some of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robbie, because it's been a moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's committed to that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I wish they'd give him more to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want him to walk through the bridge and say cookies, milk, anybody, anybody professionals like just something else extra would be great for Beshear, but Cisco takes the opportunity, he orders the fleet through the gap towards the space nine while the galaxy class ships engage the big enemy destroyer.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's he's got kind of a move.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks is going to help him get through here kind of kind of kind of kind of.
[SPEAKER_02]: So in they go and the galaxy class fighters are opening up the gap for the defiant and the other ships there.
[SPEAKER_02]: I made a note that this is the biggest ship battle at this moment that I have ever seen in my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So many so much going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: The galaxy class ships that are flying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: The attack fighter, Chris.
[SPEAKER_02]: The
[SPEAKER_01]: And Robby, you've taken your sons when they're little to watch Star Wars movies.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen those battles that nothing even matches with this battle.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a balloon reel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: There were some of the vis effects that were a little thin compared to what we might see now.
[SPEAKER_02]: They felt a little too dimensional in terms of this.
[SPEAKER_01]: But for 1997, Robby, this is amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is amazing for 97.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe why they switched over in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: because they need a potential of CGA.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't handle it with practical models.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going to happen with thousands of ships like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: They continue to advance, but then the enemy jamming up their communications prevents them from coordinating together.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Cisco's in a little bit of trouble.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got a rotating impulse and they can't clear it, but miles is trying.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it look good for a second.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now their communications are messed up.
[SPEAKER_02]: Things are not going so well.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut back to the captain's office.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do caught a celebrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: prematurely.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's victory.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got cocktails, offers away in a cocktail.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is a very important scene because it just shows how confident he is and how relaxed and everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you need this set up for the final scene of where he loses everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so important to show this part of it and the fact that the writer's right in this toasting scene is just brilliant.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really would love to have had the script to see if that was written where he clinks the two glasses himself, or whether that was something that Alan came up with that Mark came up with because I really liked that at great too.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of great stuff and I think that my memory of Alan Crocker was he was very good at allowing actors to add some business and behavior.
[SPEAKER_02]: more than most directors, he, he welcomed it.
[SPEAKER_02]: He liked that kind of making things natural and having actors bring that stuff aside.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the clinking could have easily been the actors there and hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: This scene does get turned a little dark.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you and does discuss that Earth is key in terms of if there is any type of rebellion in the future, it's going to originate on planet Earth.
[SPEAKER_01]: So eradicating the population is probably first and foremost on their list to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do Kada actually says, no, wait, no, no, you can't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we use like, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, because the true victory is making the people that you've just conquered to realize that they're wrong and that we're the right people.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're the right people.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's hearts and minds, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: which feeds his ego.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lovely character trait.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dukat wants his ego fed.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Complains in the scene in that the Bajoran's neither the Bajoran government or Cisco appreciate what he's done, his role in history.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he mentions how much he...
[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't even built one statue to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's another thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a single statue anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: There should be a Robbie McNeill statue in North Carolina.
[SPEAKER_02]: One of the kids have never built a statue of me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's still time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the statue of Mom and I thought was very funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't find it funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found it telling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I found it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't find it not funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just sounded telling about his ego that this is he is so close to becoming an enormously successful historical figure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That that he's really enjoying it a great deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's on the cusp of history.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is what it says in the cusp of history.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he talks about Cisco as he looks at the baseball, and then he just lets the baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, we got to Odo's quarters next.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo's just staring at the window.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's got a lot on his mind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Founder comes in and tells Odo the battle's going well.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Odo does share with her that he still cares about these people that are fighting the dominion.
[SPEAKER_02]: His or his friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the founder tells Zodo that she thinks Kira is preventing him from fully embracing the great link that's a part of who he is and the founder does say that Kira has been arrested and she will be sentenced to death.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does she try to link with him in the sea?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she does.
[SPEAKER_01]: She does.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he will think of things right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think this mirror is what we just signed to cut.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is so sure of the old go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says she, you shouldn't think about the solids.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what's in point, you should not let Kira get in the way of being part of the link.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's so sure that Odo is infatuated with the link that he, she's won him over to her side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same hubris.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that to caught had in the previously, but it's subtler, just subtler.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we have Cardassian hubris and changeling hubris.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two of the Axis powers having hubris there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Evil Axis Blacks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Literally says, Kira's death is to be your salvation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, this is such a great thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's
[SPEAKER_02]: very evil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, evil founder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but she doesn't think she's evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's great.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's the, she's the cat's meow.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she's helping.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's, she's, she's auto savior.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's what she's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's just an addendum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every actor knows if you're playing a villain, you never think that what you're doing is villain.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you over and right don't do justice to a villain character.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be no you have to believe You are the good guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing exactly and that is the core to mark a lime was acting He said it to me several times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, he always said to me I thought I was a hero in the show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he and he actually said that to me and I sort of looked aside Right, but but really believed it and that's what makes his performance so powerful
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree, 1,000%, that's why Dakota is one of my favorite characters.
[SPEAKER_01]: He made that choice from day one, and we believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We believe it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hook Lion's sinker all the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark Alimel.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go back to the bridge of the defiant, starfleet ships are just being ripped apart here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Again, the biggest battle in space I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Defiant is taking hitting hit very hard.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm starably ships are just blowing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that CG was amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, um, Robbie, Dax says sir, we've just lost the C-TAC and the majestic.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now that I see how C-TAC is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's SeaTak as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's S-I-T-A-K, which is like this is a Vulcan name.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this ship was named after the Seattle Tacoma Air Force C-Tak Air Force.
[SPEAKER_02]: The SeaTak is gone.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alaska Airlines down now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I felt bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just realized it's not the right spelling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I feel so, it hit me in this moment when we're looking at all these surfly giant starships
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, how many crew are on each of these shit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh, the big ones over a thousand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a lot of Yeah, it's definitely career one award a dubious award for the TV show that had the most deaths in it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You told us that before it's very.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's true the most deaths are on DS 9.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you calculate it all, this is here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is this, this put you get into it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just the Starfleet deaths.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's clinging on.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's found one though.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're still on our side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the other side as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the German are using entities as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course.
[SPEAKER_01]: That entire reinforcement force.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all gone at the end of this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder where they go, I'm not sure that they're killed, but they go somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they go, yes, they go into the void.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now they're just sitting in that all white background void with their weapons and they're sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure that it's possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think somehow they're whisked away somewhere else, but when we get to that scene, I'll talk more about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, things do look bad on the defiant, but Cisco says we're going through a
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if they go, the defiant pushes right through the dominion fleet, very heavy fire, it suffers a lot of damage, loses its cloaking device here, Cisco says, we're going to fight our way out.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when things look the worst, suddenly, warmth and the cling-on force arrives, thank goodness, created gap in the dominion lines, allows the defiant to break through it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Michael's performance is very calm.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little too calm for me to come in with.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish he'd come in with he should have come in with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll use that as my missing scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They do make it through the clingsons help them through, but Nog says no other Federation ships made.
[SPEAKER_02]: They are the only ones.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco says, well, let's do the set of course for deep face nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got three hours remaining.
[SPEAKER_02]: clock is ticking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, another reminder.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maximum warp off they go back in ops to caught is not worried at all, but Cisco says the defiant is no match for the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got weapons on the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not worried at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: No match for the station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says if Cisco wants to commit suicide, I say we let him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's out to God says.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, playing with the baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: He put it up off the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut to Zeal's quarters when suddenly quirk grabs Zeal from behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was this in a hall away, I guess?
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it was like quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: You give it to her quarters without her.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll quark and get it anyway.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says don't scream.
[SPEAKER_02]: She nods.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I like the time that you took with this scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: because it these things like couldn't happen fast to get her to realize you're not a threat you need to take the time I'm not a threat yeah show calm you are yeah I like the time you took you're not threatening yeah pork asks her if she knows how to make hasper out souffle
[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like an odd question, you know what someone should do.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should make, they should have a cafe that actually makes their version of all these Star Trek dishes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Has Brett souffle on the up menu?
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't even write a book about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did have a cookbook.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm seeing a real-life bricks and mortar store that was like a Star Trek restaurant with all their versions.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did they do it at the Star Trek experience?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they had no, because they would say like, but not.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom Paris is chicken fingers, so it wouldn't be anything new.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just be your name or character name on a already popular bar food, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm talking about someone coming up with their version of what has Brad soufflé would be, I think Star Trek fans would love this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'd be like, oh my gosh, this is awesome, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the security office, Korkin Zell show up with the hasprouts of play.
[SPEAKER_02]: The guards' voice had found to be a bit robotic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it was, this was not my favorite card-assian guard.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's guarding the, you know, the cells, the security office there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Korkin Zell tried to deliver some food to Kira in detention, but the guard refuses to let them see her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he insists on inspecting the food, pokes it with, it looked like a chopstick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it a chopstick?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we got that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a, it was like a little piece of wood.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looked like a part of a chopstick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And while he's leaned over and examining the food with the chopstick and the classic sort of, you bake a cake and you, and you, you know, you bake a saw or some way to escape into the cake.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like from the cartoons.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's from movies and movies.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's checking out the souffle and then Zell, hyperspray is him and knocks him out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like how Arm and he's talking to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like he was talking to a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the confidence that Cork had with like, stop poking it, it's very delicate.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wait a minute, you're risking getting shot by this cardazzy end of your doing too a little bit too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, I liked the level of confidence that Cork had in the way he was speaking to the Cardazian guard.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a running conversation I had with the writers during the course of seven years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Quark, and this has thought about the details about he's not going to pretend to be nervous about this and he's going to see through that and so eventually we get the hype of this spray from Zia.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's very smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's very smart.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just moves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this was the debate I had with the writers for seven years.
[SPEAKER_00]: because sometimes he's an idiot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes he doesn't know what he's doing and he's totally lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes, like in scenes like this, he seems very calculating.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say to the writers, I said many times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just tell me his IQ.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the final line with that armoured mothers, now you've ruined it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just the way he said that was good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a classic.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's bases in the, in the sea of flight.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut inside the holding area, we see Kira, lead in one cell, ramen jake in the other cell.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a couple of guards there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they're discussing the destruction of the mine field, rom thinks he's going to be executed once that's been in finishes, disabling the mines.
[SPEAKER_02]: He actually recites the schedule, I think, you know, like, eight o'clock this.
[SPEAKER_02]: My clock this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for the five execute, uh, execute the
[SPEAKER_02]: Man, you laugh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Corquancy, I'll come to the rescue.
[SPEAKER_02]: Corquancy is very nervous, though.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got two guns holding him up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my choice.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I liked it a lot.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did make a lot of sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not used to having weapons and guns.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for Randy, don't kill.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to kill these Gemma Dari.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to do these, you know, he's nervous about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but pushed to the moment where they might kill him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but it, and, and I think that's where the shock comes from that that I play for the rest of the scene is.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if I'd love that?
[SPEAKER_02]: What do I do?
[SPEAKER_02]: What have I done?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the way that Alan shot the reverse on, you know, the two guards, it was a little messy for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: In terms of, he just, he just even dragged, they, they shouldn't have had their, their rifles up.
[SPEAKER_02]: They should have not gotten to their rifles in flames and like halfway, grabbing them or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one way to avoid that, I felt was just come in tight on the eyes or the faces of the two guards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then you don't see the guns at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then come back to a wider shot where they kind of raise the guns and then they get shot by Arman.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the only thing I had.
[SPEAKER_01]: My one issue with this scene was just how that was.
[SPEAKER_01]: The logic was too.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little muddy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_00]: And to add to the logic, and this is nothing Allen could have done.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't need to stand there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have disappeared.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have cloaked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could have cloaked and disappeared, and Quark would have been up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Shit's Creek.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark knows this, because he's already dealt with Jim and Dar and the minute they cloaked, he shoots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they can't move back fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you take him out.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that would have been if they can't use their rifles.
[SPEAKER_00]: if someone's got the beat on them, then they should have cloaked.
[SPEAKER_00]: They should have just disappeared.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say that the ending shot of this scene after everyone says, okay, let's go do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, do go there is on cork.
[SPEAKER_01]: cork is still kind of looking at the bodies on the ground.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, Frank, he's don't kill.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is his first from what I understand.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is absolutely the one and only time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you are beside yourself in a state of your shell-shocked over the killing of these two guards.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I felt for more core.
[SPEAKER_00]: I missed the whole reason for him to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not the whole reason, but the main reason for him to do it is to save his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yet there's no reunion.
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand a little and rumb hugging.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that rumb doesn't come over and thank his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or I don't go over and hug my brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just undercut the whole purpose of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Kira has a line to quark that I'm going to that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Works perfectly well in this scene, but doesn't make sense later on.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says quark.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I wasn't such a hurry, I'd kiss you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I understand you're in a hurry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who says that?
[SPEAKER_00]: You said that.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's taking the body or close to the body.
[SPEAKER_00]: She says, she says, Quark, if I wasn't such a hurry, I'd kiss you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then she moves on and gets them all to leave.
[SPEAKER_00]: You do this, you do that, go to sit places, and then she moves out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's right, they don't have time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The clock is ticking, they don't have time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's later on in another scene where I go, how come that isn't playing here in the later scene?
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: To that team.
[SPEAKER_00]: That team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When she said, I'd kiss you quirk with her.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was in time when she said that it jumped out at me because we're not used to here having that attitude about what was the first time ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And so if she's going to have that attitude, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: It should track.
[SPEAKER_02]: like that's a big deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: She would be consciously aware that she's changed her thoughts about quirk and he would be aware too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a huge deal, Robbie, to your point because it is season six.
[SPEAKER_01]: season six in the sixth episode that she finally says something nice to quirk.
[SPEAKER_01]: taking a long time for that ice to want to melt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my goodness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Next we go to Odo's quarters where the founder is urging Odo to seek certainty to join the great link.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything he's looking for is in the link.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then weigh you in arrives and reports they care in the other prisoners if escaped.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the founder agrees that she will relocate to
[SPEAKER_02]: answer you sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that your sure is more of, but you're sure you're not coming to the great link and he's like, yes, I'm pretty sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what that writing was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought at that moment, that's sounding like James his character is no fool.
[SPEAKER_00]: She should have had, oh, to arrest him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've seen it before, no stand up, set guards outside the door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's confined to court.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't understand why they left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just all through my notes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just call her sound on my jeans.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't say the female shape shift.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they both both Odo and the female shapeshifter both know what they're talking about and she should have said a guard outside of his own.
[SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think way way would.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she could and should have.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: I actually thought all of them would have been on to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: It seemed so obvious that he's saying.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, all this stuff's going down and I'm just going to stay here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to help my friends, yeah, yeah, I wouldn't buy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have liked to have seen more of him clocking that of arrested.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now she's escaped.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I mean, what the founder said when she said, when she said, told, oh, go, that, Kira had been arrested.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no hope for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's open.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he clocked that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there's nothing I can do to help.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, now there's a possibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I necessarily wanted to dwell on that because of the element of surprise later on.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would have loved something where something had happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what.
[SPEAKER_00]: Looking in when he's eyes, I don't know what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would have liked something to be clocked there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Odo stays back.
[SPEAKER_02]: No one is suspicious it appears.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's push their IQ, you know?
[SPEAKER_02]: What was their IQ?
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut out to the corridor.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a classic running hallway scene with phasers firing curis as get out of here and they run into the cargo bay.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're shooting behind them.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're trying to do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She closed the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then.
[SPEAKER_02]: bad guys coming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: The other door, they're trapped.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're standing behind some crates when suddenly Rome says, did you hear that?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's Bajoran phase or far.
[SPEAKER_02]: He can tell from the sound of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Bajoran phaseers, which I've never heard that logic before, that you can hear the different sound, but I'm sure that people in the military can tell the difference between, you know,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: A 38 and a 45 or something or a 45 or something or a 45 or something or a 45 or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you can tell.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was always fascinated during the war.
[SPEAKER_00]: World War II.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That there were people who could tell the difference in engines.
[SPEAKER_00]: What plane was flying over by the sound of the engine?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that was real.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was historical.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't, I didn't want this at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I did find was forgive me, Max, for saying this, that Max had to go like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I went, you don't need to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't need to do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You already have the ear.
[SPEAKER_01]: So why are you using the hand?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they hear the Bajoran Faser Fire and then it suddenly stops all the shooting.
[SPEAKER_02]: They step around the corner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nice hero reveal of Odo, the tilt up to seeing Odo Odo was the one to save them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I just want to go back to the Faser Fire.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think all Faser Fire sounds the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there is a difference, but I actually changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope they don't necessarily sound of it in order to make it match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The lines.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think typically when you've got alien bad guys shooting their phasers against our starfleet phasers, there's not much of a change in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, a bit of a hole in the plot.
[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe they did adjust the frequency of that in post.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it sounds a little bit different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut back out in the quarter, Odo tells Kieran Rom, they've got less than 40 minutes still on the clock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck, it's ticking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've got less than 40 minutes to disable the main computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: One other moment missed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly, Kieran is happy to see that she saved.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you saved me, but I still have a problem with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's had a problem with him for several episodes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want their problem to disappear right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You like her to facilitate a little bit back and forth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank
[SPEAKER_00]: They want that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Odo tells Karen Romney got less than 40 minutes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to help distract the dominion security forces with false alarms, so he'll try to create some distractions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did like that, Rom, and Kira both get in the two, but first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's idea was that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I kind of liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, oh, we've been trained to, you know, who's going to ship in the safe way and the professional way.
[SPEAKER_02]: It just seemed, yes, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had an extra layer to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were training this way.
[SPEAKER_02]: When they backed up, then turned flipped over and started crawling.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was great.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a nice touch.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pro move.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Allen said, hey, guys, let's do it this way.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira does ask about the great link, Oto admits that it was paradise, the link is paradise, but maybe I'm not ready for paradise, he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this feels like a little moment that could have released some of that tension you were talking about, you wish they kept.
[SPEAKER_02]: almond.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you kept the tension and this moment, even though it's not a full processing of everything, at least this could have been the crack.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have, I really disliked this scene a great deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Great deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's why Allen and the writers have kept the tension going all of this time.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're towards the end of the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: everything is important.
[SPEAKER_00]: We know, what is it 40 minutes?
[SPEAKER_00]: We only have 40 minutes left.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want them to resolve their differences now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to get to the core and shut the sucker down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't, there's no time for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nor do I want it wrapped up so neatly in a ribbon and they can exchange glances that are meaningful.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want that now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want them to move on what's important, shut down the computer.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure the writers wrote this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they're trying to rectify the relationship between Odo and Kira.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think this is the whole time for this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hear you.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a fair assessment.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think that's a very smart.
[SPEAKER_02]: It makes more sense what you're pitching than trying to quickly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the scene that I referred to before.
[SPEAKER_00]: If she didn't have time to kiss Quark, then she doesn't have time to talk to Oda now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's true.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: uh... we go back to the defiant bridge their maximum warp eleven minutes till they arrive at the us nine it's going to be close so Brian says uh... inside the conduit junction we see rom uh... love how cura is like how's it going rom like a kid in the car and i feel on a trip with the fact that we there yet yeah and uh... rom is like
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish you would stop asking me that, Kira apologizes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Ron really kind of exasperated says I'm not going to make it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have time to do what he needs to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Kira says I can a whole computer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then she says we'll just cut off the power.
[SPEAKER_00]: If she were to spend time with her or maybe he would have had the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well said.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the care says just cut the power to the stations weapons array so they can stop, you know, anything being to being fired from the station specifically a photon torpedo, which will detonate all the mines.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the key.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Rob's like, okay, all right, I can I can work on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's it's a it's a quick scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go back to ops tomorrow is is starting to get worried.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cling on fighters are winning.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're starting to beat up their their lines.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do caught a still cocky, though, he says, don't worry any minute thousands of reinforcements are going to come flying out of that wormhole.
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to the Define Bridge, Dax's word, she's like, maybe we should come up with a plan B.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the conduit, ROMs not done yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're intercutting quickly with all of everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to make it in time?
[SPEAKER_02]: The club is ticking.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to ops and tomorrow says the last of the mines are neutralized.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can detonate the minefield.
[SPEAKER_02]: And do cot says fire, just then we cut to ROM.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says done, but the mines explode.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was literally winked to the point of one late on that, and I'm not going to remind you where he could have gotten that one shocking.
[SPEAKER_02]: We don't have time, Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back on the bridge on the view screen of the defiant, we see DS9 with the background of flashing lights.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lovely.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the crew isn't shocked, everybody realizes it's too late.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco without taking much of a pause says, all right, let's go into that wormhole.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I said, the captain from the the 600.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the us, the light brigade ready to light the charge of the light brigade.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my goodness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Garic, yeah, Garic literally says, how does that poem end?
[SPEAKER_02]: And the right, since you don't want to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to ops.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're laughing hysterically.
[SPEAKER_02]: They feel like they've won.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're celebrating.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're so happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Demar says the defiant is going into the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's odd.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wayun says.
[SPEAKER_02]: Flip and lace says, yeah, destroy it, but the weapons are offline.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wrong.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did something.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got something.
[SPEAKER_02]: They have no weapons to cut, says, you know, major kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thinks it's kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I want to say, it's not kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like an exact exact exact.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go back to the defiant bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're inside the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ciscos has stopped.
[SPEAKER_02]: They see a fleet.
[SPEAKER_02]: of reinforcements ahead of them, heading their way.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, ready, the quantum torpedoes.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Using quantum torpedoes in the wormhole, that's... Yeah, that's not good.
[SPEAKER_02]: That can't be good for the profits for themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a suicide mission.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that jumps very quickly, immediately into the other reality, the other realm of the profits to the land.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we and we we're very used to limbo land and of course the profits use all the major players in this episode as messengers or ways that they are speaking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All the actors play.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that non-linear storytelling jumping from one location to another, flashing in and out of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: The profits sort of speaking as if they're Odo or as if they're Jake or as if they're Sierra like everybody, but not as if they're Bashir.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, that's right you're not in there and there is somebody there that went really that's not part of Cisco's reality Why is he there way in no tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow yeah, yeah, why's tomorrow there when when this year should be there right
[SPEAKER_00]: That is so true.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: They pull him into the vision.
[SPEAKER_02]: They tell him that they do not want to play the game of his life till the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't want to end this game.
[SPEAKER_02]: They keep referring to his life as a game, the game of life or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember from the very first episode, he introduced baseball to the prophets.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He tells them he says you have no right to interfere with my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he starts to Cisco's trying to argue with them about Bayjor.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says they said of themselves that they are of Bayjor.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says if your God's of Bayjor, then be God's because Bayjor needs a miracle.
[SPEAKER_02]: We need you to participate.
[SPEAKER_02]: to what what is the the Greek device day sex day sex market with what's happening here yeah active the gods that's right the god step in and prevent you know the horrible ending or something yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: That's God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Machina.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten so used to these limbo scenes now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is really what sets this show apart from every other Star Trek series.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has this undercurrent of religion, of belief, of the promise of faith.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And none of this exist in TNG or Voyager or an Apprai any of the other or the original series.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it's just this, it's what makes this series sets this series apart from all the other ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're in a good way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So damn.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cisco does continue to debate with them and argue with the gods.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says stopping the dominion is more important than his own survival, and he says, you know, challenges them to intervene, and they seem convinced actually the Prophets agreed to act, but they declare a price must be paid.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll act, but nothing is for free here, and before they return him to reality, they warn that although the Cisco is of Bayjor, his future will follow a different path, and he will find no rest there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So very ominous sort of,
[SPEAKER_01]: projection or, you know, um, because we don't know what the penises we don't know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, right.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just say you have another path.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have another path.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we have to go back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's rocks and shows where he tells a buried generous character that that he's going to retire on base or that that it's the end of that lovely description of base or how beautiful it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, I'm going to retire there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll it'll be my home.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go away to do missions.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this will be my home.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And and and they're saying nope.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, so that actually that conversation happened in favor of the bold when he's talking about beige or how much he loves it He's gonna retire there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is the the plan that is no longer going to happen now the pennages.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, we don't know Yeah, that's definitely.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's what I'm okay, okay
[SPEAKER_00]: As I watched at the second time, I realized perhaps the writers didn't mean to do this, but I thought there's something in the dialogue.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I listened to the dialogue, and when it seemed to me that there were two the prophets were taking two sides of this question about what to do with Cisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a line where two of the prophets, one prophet, the prophet represented by Wayoon, says, he says, we are of Bayshore, and that's the way you read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are of Bayshore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the way you in character probably should have hit the R. We are of Bayshore, maybe hit the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are of Bayshore.
[SPEAKER_00]: You write Cisco, you write the Cisco.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are of Bayshore, and then the next prophet to speak is
[SPEAKER_00]: and he says, he is intrusive and then Jake, the Jaketh prophet, says, a penance must be exacted.
[SPEAKER_00]: In other words, I think they're having a debate about what to do with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And eventually, the Jake character puts his thumb on the scale and says, okay, then we need to have a penance.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we're going to, if we're going to do something,
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, I think that's what's in the script.
[SPEAKER_00]: I as an actor, hopefully would have seen that when, oh, they're having a debate.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that all of them, but they're not part of the link, they're having a debate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they decide, okay, we're going to help them, but the price has to be paid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are a basure.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: We are a basure, not that we are a basure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, and I'm just projecting.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know where the series is going, but do caught stutter pays a price in this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it occurred to me, oh, is the price that Cisco pays Jake dying like to caught stutter eventually?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, no, don't say that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we know that tax is that the price may be taxes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I never put this together, but maybe the
[SPEAKER_02]: you're going to have to pay a price and the price he pays is his dearest friend.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the old man.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, Armin, thank you for bringing that point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because when I was watching the limbo scene, I thought they were all, I'm saying page.
[SPEAKER_01]: All from the same, on the same page, the profits already know what they're going to do, and they're not debating.
[SPEAKER_01]: But now that you put it that way, yeah, it sounds like they're having a debate real time over what to do with the Cisco now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Cisco has been intrusive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's intrusive.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, you know, that's wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, the Cisco is intrusive.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that has no weight to weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I say it.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it has no weight.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it seems to me there's a debate and the Jake prophet says fine, but he'll have to play a price.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get involved, but he'll have to pay a price.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, we go back to the defiant bridge, back to reality, the Cisco pops on flashes on the defiant prepares to engage the massive demand reinforcement fleet that's heading through the wormhole, Cisco orders his crew to stand ready to make every shot count, these quantum torpedoes, or basically going to be a suicide mission here.
[SPEAKER_02]: But just before the battle can begin,
[SPEAKER_02]: shimmers and disappears.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here's, can I just stop for a second?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I, I didn't realize that it took time to travel through the wormhole.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought the minute you went in through one side, you just popped out the other side pretty much immediately, but obviously in this episode, there's a time factor of that, because the dominion ships are still traveling towards them and they're at full stop.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a long corridor, I guess.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you experience, this is going to be a time question, which is, I find it dangerous, but like, if you're on either end of the wormhole, it may seem like it's instantaneous.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you are traveling into the wormhole while you're in there, are you, is time sort of a limbo generally?
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, from my watching of this show,
[SPEAKER_00]: I think time is in limbo the while you're in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: While you're in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's why they can jump cut when you have the profits sequences, where all of a sudden, this goes in a different place and doesn't know how he got there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because time just jumps around.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, science is in a black hole, time doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: in past episodes where the profits have happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something they're usually is a more time to get through it than we normally accept.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cisco sees a fleet of an environment, a model of reinforcements, kind of jumble around and then disappear and Cisco realize that they didn't cloak.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well Brian thinks they cloaked.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, they cloaked.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, they're not detectable, and Cisco concludes, they are gone for good.
[SPEAKER_02]: The gods did intervene, they're not going to get us to get us to get us point religious.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is a miracle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut up to ops, to caught way in, tomorrow are stunned when the defiant comes out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's all by itself, no reinforcements.
[SPEAKER_02]: Defiant opens fire, 200 enemy ships have broken through.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's the Klingons, EA Klingons.
[SPEAKER_02]: So deep space, nine is under attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the weapons are offline.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the Federation ships are breaking through.
[SPEAKER_02]: The founder says, let's get the heck out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's go back to Cardassian territory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wion is like, no problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you is lying, it is time to start packing.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what you say.
[SPEAKER_02]: like, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is a chicken.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does not like conferences.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, you can't count your chickens before they're hatched.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that to declare earlier in the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: So were you in the founder of Aguading to God struggles with this loss of this victory?
[SPEAKER_02]: He was so sure of.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the founder, the founder does give the order contact all the forces in the off quadrant, tell them to fall back to Cardassia and territory.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically that entire
[SPEAKER_01]: to Cordassia right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is a big loss for them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huge loss.
[SPEAKER_02]: Huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Demar tries to get them to cut, to come with them, to stay with them and you're locked five.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're a good heirloch five.
[SPEAKER_02]: And to cut his now, I've got to find the all before I leave the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he heads off to find her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Back on.
[SPEAKER_02]: On the defiance, Cisco says, let them run, let them escape.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in no shape to fight them right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is when Bashir gets a message that the dominion are retreating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco tells all of his forces, the federation forces, and the clean-ons, let's all run into a T-shirt's nine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So Bashir had a line in the scene.
[SPEAKER_01]: He does have a sign line, but he's the communications officer now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say right now the reason why even though we all agree there's no reason for him to be on the bridge He should be in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna validate it by saying with him on the bridge He is the closest to Cisco and all the other important players if they get injured It's immediate.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna be able to treat that
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I can come up with.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a hierarchy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We treat the officers before we treat the we're, yes, yes, yes, the lower deck will die first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, yes, yes, the lower deck will die first.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, the lower deck.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying there's no lower deck or we get nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not supposed to be there.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he should not be.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is he offering?
[SPEAKER_02]: He's the doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Weird.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've lost their way with this year for him.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like just a reverse, just a little half second.
[SPEAKER_01]: When Decaught says, I'm going to go find her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And tomorrow yells at him as he's running.
[SPEAKER_01]: As he's going down the terminal of he says, She won't go with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he already knows.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not going to turn out good for Decaught.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he probably blames Ducat for the loss, for the loss of the of the factory.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a comes a point where a subordinate officer says to himself, I know he's my boss, but I can't follow those orders any.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the Promenade, Ducat, stumbling along, he's searching for Zial.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do hear these evacuation orders from the computer, which I thought was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the airlock, we see way in making his way very
[SPEAKER_02]: Make way, make way, step aside, make way for the founder.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very dekenzian or Shakespearean, if this sort of, you know, is the town cryers here now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: All's not well on the station, please evacuate.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wayun asked the founder about Otto.
[SPEAKER_02]: And founder says he will join us one day.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's only a matter of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So founder's still very confident.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do see Duccoff finds the all-though during the evacuation he begs her to leave with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Go to back to Cardazia.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says no her loyalty is on these deep-face nine and she admits that she helped care and the others escape.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she also admits that she loves her father.
[SPEAKER_02]: She says I love you.
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say this scene felt oddly romantic for a father daughter scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was loving.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got romantic out of it though, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just a little bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: I generally get creepers from Z.
[SPEAKER_02]: All as a character.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You got it on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't have a problem with this at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with Armon.
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't pull me out.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just maybe the close faces of the leaning.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: We close talk on Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's just let throw that out the window for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just let's just start.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was afraid for her when she said when she admitted to what she did and he said the line He says do you know what you're saying and his hand was right there I said oh no, please don't do anything bad because I thought that he was going to be the one who right That's the writing daughter You felt it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assumed it and again good job of the writers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They brought me down that path
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, uh, he doesn't do anything.
[SPEAKER_02]: Instead, Demar shoots her from behind.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, he shoots her for treason.
[SPEAKER_02]: Demar says to Decott, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Decott will not leave.
[SPEAKER_02]: His heart is broken.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_02]: He dies in his arm, but Decott forgives her.
[SPEAKER_02]: he says he loves her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he has just devastated by her death.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now here again, a line reading I thought was lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, under second viewing, I'm watching it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, he says, I forgive you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he says to Zia.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's dying.
[SPEAKER_00]: What is it that caught wants?
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants many things from Zia.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he also wants for forgiveness.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, do you forgive me?
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgive you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so instead of saying, I forgive you, I would have, if I were directing, I would have asked the actor to give him a line reading, which is an ethmo, we know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have said, can you say it this way?
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgive you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a leading version of the leading version.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgive you, and she doesn't respond, which to me plays off at the very last line of the episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I like that idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a great idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm a great idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I would take that line reading from you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's what he wants to give this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants your love.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to comfort her.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, all those things are there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he also wants her forgiveness.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he does.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants a statue from her.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants a statue.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants her to tell us that too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not saying that if my kids built me a statue, that I would be mad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying I would be mad if they want to build me a statue.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm fine with that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We go to the promenade that crowd is cheering all of our returning heroes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We do see out in space first though.
[SPEAKER_02]: There is a Federation kind of returning.
[SPEAKER_02]: We see all these ships arriving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it turns out to be the amount of of background actors.
[SPEAKER_02]: The biggest maybe I've ever seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the largest concentration of I've seen actors in that one wide shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was it looked as busy as I've ever seen the promenade.
[SPEAKER_01]: They had that one scene where, do you remember it was, uh, some pejorin, maybe it was festival or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where they had it, someone made the speech and it was all the entire promenade was filled like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like that even bigger than that then.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were saying it would be bigger or more people to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was big.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they're all talking about the future.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mar-Talk is there.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says he's honoring his wage or with Cisco, Dax and War for talking wedding plans, Bashir and O'Brien talk about going back to the Holodec and Rom learns that Nog has been promoted above him.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be his boss now.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the mood shifts a bit when Cisco asks about Kira, and he learns that she's in the infirmary with Zial, who's been wounded and, uh, and Gerek, who has been looking for somebody this entire time, which would be Zial.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's that, and the next shot is of, of Gerek in the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira is already standing over, uh, for Zial.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, if we got, when I think is a major point,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, shake hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again thinking.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know Cisco doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do shake hands.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he uses that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and he uses the affectionate term of good to see you constable constables use there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, okay, so back to the infirmary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gerek is walking in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kira is already standing over Ziyal's body.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she informs Gerek, she loved you.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Gerek says, I could never figure out why.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I never will.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, finally, this is something that I brought up in prior episodes that...
[SPEAKER_01]: we have Ziaul and there's no conversation about garrick at all because we did leave one episode where garrick leaves the station at the parts and kisses Ziaul on the lips as if they're dating so I kept thinking why haven't they shown garrick and Ziaul again and now we do see them at the very end here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very sad moment.
[SPEAKER_02]: We cut to a holding area next where Duca does on the floor having a emotional breakdown from Zeya's death.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's speaking as if she's right there in front of him talking to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll go back to Cardassia.
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be safe there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll live with me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything will be fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's literally having a breakdown.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the brig, though, Robbie, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why it listed as a holding area.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just hits the brig.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not the brig.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a corner of Odo's office.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, excuse me, pardon me.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, look, it looked a little kind of in-between, not a full jail.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, that's why Odo picks him up and moves him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Got it, okay, to have Bashir treat him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Cisco says, you know, Bashir should treat him
[SPEAKER_02]: out and as he leaves, do caught return Cisco's baseball and says, I forgive you too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is what he says.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's why I think that's why I want the rating.
[SPEAKER_00]: I forgive you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you forgive me?
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he asking for Cisco's business?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he could have said that to the same way with two Cisco.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_01]: What an episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: The themes and morals, the song, the song, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Armin, what do you have for your theme slash moral?
[SPEAKER_00]: The sub is quote from the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, this is the theme.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's spoken by the female shapeshifter.
[SPEAKER_00]: It appears this war is going to last longer than expected.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is the theme for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, water is hell, yes, yeah, robbing my lesson from this is nothing is free.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's always a price to pay for victory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, do copy to price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco's going to pay a price.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody paid a price in some way in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: My lesson is that war should be the very last resort.
[SPEAKER_01]: War is hell.
[SPEAKER_01]: The toll it takes is too high.
[SPEAKER_01]: When people have problems, they should be discussed and negotiated.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't go beyond that.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is insanity?
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alan Watts, who's a philosopher and a thinker that I I love Alan Watts.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said once that war is collective insanity.
[SPEAKER_02]: there is there's nothing about it that makes any human logical sense.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is insanity.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we just agree that, oh, we're okay with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's insanity because if you think about if you break it down into atoms and energy, we're all composed of the same energy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that means we are the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you kill someone else, you're killing yourself is what you're doing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just insanity in that regard.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can only repeat one of the rules of acquisition here, which is the 34th rule.
[SPEAKER_00]: War is good for business.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of money's made during war times.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is for sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Our Patreon poll for winner theme moral of this episode is submitted by Tim Newmark.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the quote.
[SPEAKER_02]: You want to be gods, then be gods.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is his moral of the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, honorable mention for theme slash moral slash less.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a bit of a lie, Lori Ulster would be nothing in war is simple, whether it's victory or defeat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Great.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that is it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have come to the end of our discussion and recap of this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sacrifice of angels.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Ark of the episodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the six episodes now ended.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we're at the end of that wonderful arc.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you to Armin for joining us again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pleasure.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was wonderful.
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a good time today.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a good time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a nice episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you for everyone for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bye, everybody.