[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Forty-K-Lore cast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Forty-K-Lore cast, and me, John Barsati, and Brad Chester Sky.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today, we are going to be finishing up our coverage of the Titan Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, for now, with a dive into the machine spirit, the legions at war and some of their history as part of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, little bit not the Imperium, we'll get to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is also like a wild obscure Star Trek reference in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was a race.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they just started giving their ass to take thing, you know, we are not strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the hardest game he played so far since he've had it out?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hardest game was Lion King.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Lion King or Battle Tows, although I'm just getting into the FPS as I actually aren't fun story.
[SPEAKER_01]: It hasn't come out yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not for by month from time of recording, but I went in.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing Quake.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I went in and actually you can still play Quake one online.
[SPEAKER_01]: Turns out those people who were playing it are still playing it online and they're still shit talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: I went into the server.
[SPEAKER_00]: That makes me so happy, it was so, I went and I'm like, oh god, what's happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're still there.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, what's happening since you were 13 in talking shit, nothing, nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're all, they're just waiting for me to relive that memory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming they're also exploding you too.
[SPEAKER_01]: 30 years ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, some dude just flying through the sky, find a rocket at me and calling me a bitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because today we're going to Cebu, because I went there and I like it a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cebu is actually technically a collection of almost 200 islands around one big island, but great place to go, because it's located kind of in the center of the archipelago, going to archipelago.
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_01]: The archipelago that is the Philippines.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you go there, the Scuba diving is really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get a lot of coral, a lot of stuff, etc.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, dynamite or anything?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the dynamite fishing thing is a bit of a pain in the ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the side note for a different day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a great blast.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out there and I'm at the seahore, which was really cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beaches are gorgeous, local foods good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like the garlic rice for breakfast thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just delicious, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then lechon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, lechon.
[SPEAKER_01]: For those who don't know, Cebu was where the first Spanish colony of Philippines is, and anyone with a basic knowledge of history knows, that's probably not a good thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll skip past that.
[SPEAKER_01]: and get to the real reason you go there nature they've got a great airport so it's easy to get in and out of and the main cities kind of griddle hub like for me it was 20 hours to get there so it was nice after 20 hours staying in a nice big like high-rise hotel just getting used to everything and then setting off for the coastal stuff because that water as Brad said is amazing it's full of life you've got some nice wrecks you can dive but shallow enough it's not a stupid dangerous one
[SPEAKER_01]: But as Brad tried to jump the shark into earlier, we also have a discord.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what I do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a great place to interact with a bunch of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Our discord's grown.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I think, we're at 12,000 something strong now, which is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get in there, hang out with some people, ask a bunch of questions, talk to Brad and I, talk to other people more importantly, Brad and I are, you know, we're two of the 12,000, so, you know, the minority there.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, talk to the other people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, talk to the people, get literature recommendations, get painting advice, get, you know, gameplay advice or just screw around.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is a great place.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much better than read it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was kind of the goal.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's free because we don't charge for a discord because we're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to throw in when I start with this on this because we didn't talk about this last time.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did a lot of looking over the names of the titans and how they do it and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't realize because I kind of thought they were all getting like three names, serial killer names.
[SPEAKER_00]: Billy Joe Bob is a titan, but all the titans, the big titans, get a two word hygothic names.
[SPEAKER_00]: And because of their importance, they full on get like the roster of this is this registered.
[SPEAKER_00]: They basically retire their jersey when they're built, which I think's really wild.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the emperor class titans are special and it's because it's what I mean, I can't find how long it takes to build them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I was looking at that too, because they all get named all of the, basically every titan is considered a, you know, christening of it is a big deal from when they have these dirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I couldn't find anywhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just says, takes a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the best I got.
[SPEAKER_01]: But one thing I didn't want to talk about was the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked about it before.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought this is probably one of the best casts to really dive a bit more into the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because GW does this great thing with the machine spirit that I really appreciate.
[SPEAKER_01]: They keep the machine spirit vague, not opaque but vague.
[SPEAKER_01]: They leave kind of hints here and there about what it might be, but they never confirm anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like it a lot because of the fact that also you get to look at old rules were actually better for the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: The machine spirit used to be able to fire at a different which was a big deal because you couldn't fire at different targets on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The machine spirit could fire at a different target at a different ballistic scope than the rest of the crew.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I have an impression of your works.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing I like about this is, because one of my biggest pet piece in everything is in with in sci-fi, when they try to logic or science sci-fi, yeah, don't get me started at
[SPEAKER_01]: Might a clever sour words, no way we're going at this piss.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are of all sour words feds.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when my declarions or I go, I look this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what year my declarions came out, Brad?
[SPEAKER_01]: May of 1999.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me, Star Wars didn't go to the only upside since then was was Rogue One and Mandalorian, but that's kind of a TBD to this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: And or, and there's season two coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But season two is coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem with Star Wars is I never will say a thing in Star Wars is good until they stop making more of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you a close one is, yeah, Rogue One is great because they went, there's no Rogue Two.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Rogue One fantastic were good, you know, seem a lot of the video games.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice little republic, fantastic because they only made two of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They could have made a third and ruined the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's kind of their MO, by any way, the machine spirit GW listened and were smart.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they've kept it as this, like it's an AI but not totally an AI with a very hard wink there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the best way I can describe the machine spirit in my opinion is it's like they take a full blown AI and then they give it lead points.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big deal because the titans are so big they need effectively a better AI.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the machine spirits in the titans are significantly more than the machine spirits that's in a land Raider.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that in my opinion, just my opinion, what they needed to do was take this genius AI that they know would just take over and like some of the charts now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, men of iron, that was easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're like, oh, boss.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they'd probably, they'd win pretty hard now, because a bunch of people with worship them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, oh, that's also that piece, too, it would be a God wouldn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just load it down, because it does, these giant machines, the AI has to go, it has to run these calculations, has to adjust, even makes emergency repairs.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it has to be able to do all these things, but for some reason, the machine spirits cannot do any of that without a human interface.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like it's always asking permission.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do do everything like I can run it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they really, I like the fact that I just opened that up so loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ, we do it into the microphone next time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it so far.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did it at the maximum length of my arms.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we'll foot in half.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if it's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to edit it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I can't because it's actually too far into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the things I like about these machine spirits is I like the fact that it was almost like scrap code and a lot of the smaller machinery, but in a titan they had to unleash it or at least unleash it with.
[SPEAKER_00]: with some permissions on it, but Titan is just too massive and has too many systems going of, we can't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and let's talk about that, because there is no machine.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a variation of this, because if you ask the ad-neck, you
[SPEAKER_01]: There is a machine spirit in a last rifle and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, but I'm saying, you got to remember that we do all the imperium does all of the rights to honor the machine spirit and all of the machinery.
[SPEAKER_00]: The funny thing is will eventually do.
[SPEAKER_00]: We did it about travel before.
[SPEAKER_00]: But eventually, I were going to do an entire episode on what goes on in the largest of the ships in the Imperium, because those also have some crazy crap going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you guys, you probably all saw, when those of you who played Space Marine II, you didn't see with where they're actually, they have the candles lit all around everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, isn't that just a computer, just press control, enter.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it'd be fair if you don't, if you don't like the candle, the control enter will not work.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I think they did a great job of it also in a rogue trader and the DSEs for it, our fantastic with because they have an entire life that's going on in the ship, people live, die, and generations are in that ship, but those also have.
[SPEAKER_01]: monstrous machine spirits that are running these exactly flying cities.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: What happens is that on the, my point was like, on lies rifle is not really a machine spirit, but as it starts to get bigger and we stuff that we see in the game.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like a rhino does have a machine spirit, but it's just minimal.
[SPEAKER_01]: It helps the pilot be able to move.
[SPEAKER_01]: It also starts
[SPEAKER_01]: the vehicle that she said is little to a point, but when you get up to land raider down, bane blade, now it's ours to really kick, and then you get to the tightens, and it's even bigger.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they get really
[SPEAKER_00]: When we have this, they're more self-aware and they're more, I don't know if they're even more self-aware.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just a bigger, larger, vast, or maybe just more unchanged, because they have to be in charge of more stuff, so they tap into them more.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things I like about this is they also seem to become more sentient.
[SPEAKER_01]: as it gets bigger.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this could just be something, the way I kind of also see this is it might just be the more machinery that's inside something, the more machine spirit that gets combined.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so what happened is it's like the GIFT.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that it becomes more of a conversation, the more of you get more and more together.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they talk about this, the night pilots are very aware of this, and the night pilots are known for actually struggling against it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, one of the problems will be that I love that the night machine experience get very, very territorial about their house, honor, and everything that goes along with that if somebody wrongs them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to fight that off pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's you're not going to go kill everybody to talk shit, although randomly an interesting thing is that actually supposedly intentional on the part of the admit, there is rumor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's written down rumor, but not like, you know, I read this on Reddit rumor.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's in some of the novels.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, just gotta cut and caveat that that some of the machine spirits, the original
[SPEAKER_01]: like dogs, you know, lions, that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And actually use some of their instinct and added that into the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the idea around this is kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted the nights and these big things to behave when they're injured like a wounded beast, to be actually more aggressive and fight back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the idea is that way, it'll fight through injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll help the pilot fight their injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: honor than became kind of a problem where you're not actually injured, you've just been dishonored and now you become laser focused on getting that honor back, so backfired a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when you get to a warhound Titan, this gets to be insane because, you know, now we're talking honestly how 9000, but more like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, this is late 90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing bishop, ash, not army of darkness, ash by the way, alien ash, alien ash.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the idea is we're going to tighten like when a print set by the model roti, too, link into the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: It greets them by name, because it's where the how 9000 does, like, hello David, nice to see you today.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's even
[SPEAKER_01]: and sentience there, it's still not advanced enough to do anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like hyper intelligent pet that sits there and goes, hey Brad, what are we doing today?
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, we're going to go over there.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, okay, I will do all of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every day I break is taking over the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, destroying the heretics sounds awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: because the machine spirit, I like it as a pet to because I think of the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to do the bidding of the Prince App.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever you want, let's go do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the same time, the Prince App has to also kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: You obviously they have to be transported between the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these can be very long journeys.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't be long.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they have to be secured because you can't disassemble a tight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can, but you really don't want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because imagine if you disassemble the kind of funny invasion where you land, then you have to build a structure so you can then rebuild the tighten and the end of the end of your statement.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hey, guys, hold on a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just hold on for like one week.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to build this thing and then we're going to continue your ass.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's just no shooting at a sort of one of the
[SPEAKER_00]: So what I have the sucky parts, one of the short stories talks about the fact that the AI's actually feel all of the time and they don't get it distorted by the warp.
[SPEAKER_00]: So regular humans are like, oh man, it feels like we've only been gone for weeks, but it's actually been years, the AI's like...
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been counting every minute down with me, God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they sit there and they actually talk like they're freaking out inside there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the print steps have like stay close to the Titan and like work with a tech priest to calm it and get it out of this anxiety.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have to ask yourself, which by the way, how much of the rituals are actually doing something?
[SPEAKER_00]: They sound so silly because when you let down the start button for the landerator and all that, but you have to actually do the attendees before.
[SPEAKER_00]: How much of this is to calm doesn't work?
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it actually working to calm them down?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to point out, and I know you're going to support me on this on how much of a Miss GW had here on not writing one story, not a single one where the Titan is B.A.
[SPEAKER_01]: Barakas and they're trying to get it on.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it transports, they keep having to drug it and get it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, they want some milk.
[SPEAKER_01]: How did they not do that one time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just one time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not getting on that airplane.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I understand, you know, grand, blah, blah, blah, whatever your name is, would you like some of this delicious drink?
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it just wakes up.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're doing it again!
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what have been great?
[SPEAKER_01]: What have been great?
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you guys don't know what that reference is, or you're being too young.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, but let's now talk about the original titan legends and where they came from.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as you said last week, the titan legends started with three as the great crusade continued, many human colonies were discovered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those colonies though had developed their own independent worship of technology.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is kind of an implication that the cult of the on the sire might have its roots in the golden age of technology, because they're very, because they were spread out through the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was tons of these cults all over the place, so it had to be something of that danger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the stupid emperor, you know, punched the stupid dragon in the face and put on stupid Mars, like we know what happened here, we covered that last week, that story sucked.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as these forge rules were discovered, they kind of joined the Imperium, but in reality, they joined the mechanic.
[SPEAKER_01]: as forge worlds.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're both part of the Imperium and its independent entity because of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And some of these forge worlds possess technology in manufacturing capabilities to produce titans of their own.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not clear if these got already had titans,
[SPEAKER_01]: or if they just were then like, hey, here's a bill of tighten and they built Titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could be wrong, feel free to go into discord and tell me which way that is.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it felt more like they would get there and they'd say, okay, you guys can produce Titans now.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then the time becomes an issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: either way, the ranks of the Titan Legion's group.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fun story, though, as they grew, so did the internal strife, because Titan legions don't like, I mean, they don't add mech, doesn't like add mech.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna spade a spade here, add mech does not like add mech at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're very jealous people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're always trying to find secrets and keep them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and we touched this last week when we dive into bit more because the legions of the star days and the Titan houses are very similar in that they're independent of each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the like the legions of the star days, you know, they sit in this weird spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: The star days or under commanded the emperor and surrounded by the imperial army.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Titan houses are under the commander of the mechanic and surrounded by the force to
[SPEAKER_01]: the legions of the assortes were competitive with one another, but it was a good competition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them didn't like each other, but even though they didn't like each other, they weren't trying to kill each other until later, later, totally kill each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: But initially it was just like
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I want to prove I'm the greatest warrior.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple conflicts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously that came up, but it was mostly out of being the best warrior and some of the conflicts would obviously come out of like, hey, well, that's not how we fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they did fight pretty hard at the end of the ages, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they were trying to take back Mars from the nonsense that was going on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the difference about the upcoming studies and saying within the space marine legions, like you did have some obviously, though, I was just talking about the titans and titans were fighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, we are right in the flip side.
[SPEAKER_01]: The titans were just the mechanicum just has contempt for itself.
[SPEAKER_01]: The
[SPEAKER_01]: houses that Titan houses genuinely had contempt for the other titan houses.
[SPEAKER_01]: They viewed each of them as being inferior to themselves, not deserving of any of the resources they're getting, and basically trying to convince the rest of the mechanic them to just make them the only Titan legend.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, coming out of the age of strife, taking back Mars was just a shit show.
[SPEAKER_00]: because you had the remnants of the AI, you had whatever the hell half the population became, which they kind of leave that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're also all cloning.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is, it's not, and half them of robot people.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mars was only what I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Crazy place for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I like about the mechanical is that it kind of then has this huge problem of these all these Titan houses basically want to kill each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: But making a Titan is not easy and they have to not let them do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's an immediate period to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, so there's two Titan houses for all the Titans are gone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Except for those two Titans that are left.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't really ideal for us, so with the mechanics starts doing is basically just cutting off supplies, because the way the imperium functions looks like an idiocy, but it's actually clever, because it looks like a bureaucrat nightmare, but it's genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what they'll do to stop rebellion is you'll have a planet that makes more than enough food to suffice the planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they'll make it so none of that food stays on the planet, all the food leaves the planet and the food, but they eat that's come from another planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: And what this does is it makes it so in order for that planet to go into rebellion, you know because they stop shipping food off planet.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what happened at Badab Wars.
[SPEAKER_01]: When here on, stop letting the supplies go, they knew there was a problem right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: doing anything about it, but they knew there was a problem right away.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a very clever trick the imperium has always had to kind of know when we're getting it from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, you need a wild amount of resources to make a time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the mechanic him starts doing this.
[SPEAKER_01]: The mechanic is basically as like, you guys can obviously make these things, but we're just
[SPEAKER_01]: because we have all the cloning and we're going to stop having ships show up with supplies a good luck building something with dirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this way, they stop shooting each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then it becomes more of a shadow war.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Until I was saying, I did what I did before.
[SPEAKER_00]: Horace came to town now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace makes it less shadowy now with that before we get this idea whether how the Legion's go to war because when they do go to war it's super cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Legion structure is a little bit different than everything else in the Imperial.
[SPEAKER_01]: First off, at the head of every legion is a tech priest, which duh, they're branched in the cancuncum, so all their deployments, all their actions, they're determined by a magi of the forge world they're attached to, who then reports back to and is beholden to the tech priest of Mars, duh, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: But when they go to war, the mechanicum function just like the space
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can tell them to do something, but they still have to just agree to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you can't, you can ask them to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you can, you could basically pull out your contract and say on blind beef.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's slide eight, it says you're supposed to do this, but they still just have to agree to show up or they can, yeah, and a lot of times in the stories, they just won't, which I think is that crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are the Titan Legion's operate as almost independence.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to solicit them for lack of a better phrase.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only people who can requisition a Titan, at least in modern 40K, are the Inquisition.
[SPEAKER_01]: and that's just because they are genuinely doing things in theory for the survival of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lies debate about that, a lot of debate about that, but in theory it's for the survival of the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they operate as this independent force in the battlefield.
[SPEAKER_01]: When the Titans fight though, as a result of this, they fight their own little groups.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sort of kinder.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have to say that
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, they fight manifolds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Writing, yeah, well, the issue is the writers may decide they fight solo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just about to say, there's multiple times.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Titans either show up in five or one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so if we're playing the game, Titanicus, there's a way they show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we're writing a black library novel, there's another way they'll show up.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just kind of the truth of this when we talk about lore.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's take the game Titanic the Titanic us or whatever the hell it's called.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot that wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I really just now But let's go that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first thing to do is to Brad says they called Manipals, which is Latin for handful.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they got this one right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hand full five.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job GW.
[SPEAKER_01]: You got your Latin right this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now Apparently by the way, they also say it's a magic number and then I went to look it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not so that's also weird
[SPEAKER_01]: What's said, it's like, oh, the operating manopoles because number five as special values.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, what's the number five need?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking it up and I couldn't find it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Claude couldn't find it and Gemini couldn't find it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's one of my favorite things about Titan legions showing up places.
[SPEAKER_00]: because depending on the story, it's a lot different.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can either set down a Titan and it goes in and it has this epic fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sometimes you've had big chaos on Imperial, Titan on Titan stuff, but the way that the Titan legions like to fight is.
[SPEAKER_00]: they find somebody that broke their ankle and they beat them up in an alley because the titan legends like to show up with such overpowering firepower so that none of the titans have any danger of getting hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: The animals that show up basically come in, they are set, there's a bunch of set ones, like free war hounds and two rivers, one war bringer, two war hounds, two rivers, etc.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have names, mandatum, ruptura, canas, arkas.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's always different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to Brad's point, it's based on what the enemies are present.
[SPEAKER_01]: So basically,
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we fighting an enemy that has no titans?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're bringing, you know, beat stick punched down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we fighting an enemy that has some titans?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're bringing all war bringers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're going to make sure those titans are gone immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are there going to be shadow swords?
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be, we're going to be, we're going to be warhounds to get around them on the side and shoot them from the side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Boom, boom, boom, boom.
[SPEAKER_01]: They always plan ahead to Brad's point to never lose a titan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time they do have a little bit of a problem, because they're this auxiliary force where they don't take orders from the Imperial Military.
[SPEAKER_01]: That goes both ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if they won't listen to Imperial Military and the Imperial Garden are going to listen to them either.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they have an exposure.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as we all saw with ATSTs and E-box.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or yeah, or some 47's flying around with some toe cables, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the A-A-T-A-T I guess a rope.
[SPEAKER_01]: A rope.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, deployed the harpoon.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did that work?
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, screw this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going on a Brad rat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the 40K game right now, Knights should never bus be Knights or Titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: There should be a crap ton of guys with Harold dream, but specifically to keep shit from their legs.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they go and lower.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just big guys and none.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I should be allowed to have a precision.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like when I play my orcs, I should have the right to hit the Titan in the ankle and make it follow.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was especially as it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should get that because they legitimately have a crap ton of guy explained that they're there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Blamed in a Y explained to me why my Gretchen shouldn't be able to trip a night because there's a whole bunch of guardsmen that are stopping that from happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's the whole point of the, there is no, it would be more accurate, 10 Gretchen, just chew it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not chew it on the labels.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's not that, no, they'll just bring a rope.
[SPEAKER_01]: 10, 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we're 10, we
[SPEAKER_01]: and the enemies who are former Imperium all know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the Zenos know that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so avoid shield powerful, but you know, there's no Galen or so who the working against the Titan legions designed the exhaust ports into the Titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can fire a prototype torpedo down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there was a was a was a prototype.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been started.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while, so much like, but smaller arms can physically get inside a void shield.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm getting at.
[SPEAKER_01]: Melton minds can be deployed or special forces.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these titans are big.
[SPEAKER_01]: You actually can physically just climb them.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is things you can do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you should go murder the print set or deploy a poison.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, something Brad loves.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just again why there's a whole bunch of bros around this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this case, they do, and it's called the, the secure Atari, it's feels like, I'll be honest, that name felt phoned in the secure Atari.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I like this, at least I would like this one game, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: It, when we play, you should have to have this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I'm so, oh yeah, it just bugs me.
[SPEAKER_00]: because in all over the world, there's so many infantry that their whole point is to stop this happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say, in Horace Harris, so you kind of do.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to bring a Titan, in Horace Harris, you can't bring just a Titan.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to bring a Titan with an admec army, and you have to bring it with
[SPEAKER_01]: the support staff can a bunch of troops.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is in Horace Heresy to play a tightening it actually works.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't bring a reverb because the points still don't work, but at least then they broke the rules correctly for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, side note.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's talk about the security, the security art to Brad's point, the infantry cohort that serves alongside the Titan, which and there are a lot more than like a regular troop, but I like about these guys as they are specially designed to fight with Titans, because fun story about Titans, so rather disruptive to everything around them.
[SPEAKER_01]: or connect near them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just being present.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they produce the deafening levels of sound, just moving, let alone when their weapons fire, which by the way, there are stories of when their weapons fire, the heat coming off of them can melt your flesh.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to be fully covered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or else it will just
[SPEAKER_01]: you die being present while they're guns fired.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also void shields aren't exactly super exciting to be around by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Void shields are great for the thing on the inside of the point shield.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're on the outside of the void shield, not ideal.
[SPEAKER_01]: So everything around that
[SPEAKER_01]: So in order to fight alongside them, you have to be especially equipped and the secure Atari are similar to this skittari in that they are custom made.
[SPEAKER_01]: So talk a couple of cool things about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: First off, they are only equipped for light and heavy infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have no weapons to handle armor or like that because they're standing next to a freaking
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it doesn't come up a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Titans got the plasma gun.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need, you don't need me to take out the tank.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are also very melee focused.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, anything at range, look up.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a Titan.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not really concerned about the ranged combat right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing standing, you know, 20 meters above me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got that covered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I love the fact that they have two, two basic things that they're supposed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: One keeps shit off us.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two, I love the fact that they're effectively the people on the battlefield that are stabbing people, to make sure that they're dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, you see up the remnants.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just in case anyone's pretending to be dead, they poke them with a very sharp stick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're very fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I love that these are people.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're 85% robot.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, these guys are, oh yeah, the, the skittari look at them and go, Jesus, guys, really, yeah, these, all mechanical, because you can't be there without having wild augmentation.
[SPEAKER_01]: one of their coolest things though is this thing called the chiroptus chiroptaris field generator.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, this thing's amazing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a force field that creates a mini force field around the bear.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it hits around other
[SPEAKER_01]: Chirop this forceful generous, it builds a network and actually expands its power exponentially.
[SPEAKER_01]: So a single secure authority to the force field would like barely stop a Lazarifle, but a squad of them can shrug off heavy bolters and even larger squads can shortcut volcano lances, which works.
[SPEAKER_01]: We think that because there might be like a hundred of these
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's getting, you know, anti-titan weapons fired at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that hundred that the way that this, this two general would work will actually win the munition hits the void generator and explodes off the Titan and then shatters down on top of them, their field generator then protects them from that.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's this kind of really cool weapon that I can grab it, I'll put in the game for AdMet because I feel that rule would get broken as shit real quick and I'd hate playing against it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just calling it out.
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be a lot of dangerous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, this is another one of the people that are using all of the forbidden technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, he's got so many age of stray age of technology weapons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this, that, that field trainer come from exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying everything that they're using also.
[SPEAKER_00]: They like the Skittari get away with a lot of the rad ammunition and all that kind of stuff, but these guys have 100% stuff that you're not supposed to have.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but all these guys really do is they just basically go and look for did anyone set a trap?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stab them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then let the Titan do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there infantry in the way also?
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, stab them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they also will work to win the enemy scatters so when the Titan works start blowing stuff up and the individual throwing a book their job is go hunt and kill all them down because the Titans guns are too big so that I will get them don't worry about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Another one too that they do is they also will forward deploy.
[SPEAKER_01]: So before the titan kind of arrives from orbit, the security will go and actually secure the landing zone, because that's when the titan is most at risk is when it's being brought down from orbit, because just screw it, shoot the landing craft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, they're basically also from the Voltron at the time, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do love the thing, they basically bolt on weapons ships, all the auxiliary weapons get put on as they're going to work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing too is about them is also they take a lot of power up.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the void shields won't be active when it's in a ship.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it has to land, be deployed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they'll actually, I think a lot of them actually will do the weapons inside the ship because they actually have the lifts inside the ship to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the promise once it comes out of the ship, you have to power the whole thing on.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the all the void shields at the cycle, it's massively exposed at that moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So their job is to basically make sure nothing touches it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, with the security, the tight legions can now operate as an independent body at war.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there is one more piece though, to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: If the battle gets big enough, the tight legions will reach out to one more friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the nighthouses.
[SPEAKER_01]: They still won't reach out to the imperium.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll just reach out to you because why bother?
[SPEAKER_01]: They will call the nighthouses.
[SPEAKER_01]: the war hounds are too slow.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's most common is when they're invading somewhere that has stuff like basically knights, which are a knight is not a match for a titan.
[SPEAKER_01]: but a group of nights are.
[SPEAKER_01]: A group of nights can pull down because they are small and they are compared to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're also fighting fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, especially fighting fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially some of the chances are wild fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to look at the melee nights, for example, really going to stab in that ankle.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the the forge world one that I would see in tournaments where that's just
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's going to poke some ankles.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what they'll do is they will actually bring imperial nights with them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or, okay, nice to, maybe on the case of the other side, to add extra protection when the secure Atari aren't quite big enough and the war hounds are too big.
[SPEAKER_01]: So
[SPEAKER_01]: One more piece I kind of want to shove in here is a word of the shoves of the shoves in here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's just say I had a Janice and there's no word to put it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to talk real quick about the divisions within the Titan lesions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we just spent a bunch of time there talking about what is technically the Devisio Militarra.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the fighting part of the Titan lesions.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there are three other divisions that make up the titan lesions.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that one we've covered, not ours, duh, we know that does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's the Vizio Mandati.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm going to throw this out there because this is the one in stories and reading and stuff, and I don't know maybe because they do it different in some of the novels.
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like
[SPEAKER_00]: This is just the imperial navy, but not it's it's so this one changes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the to this you'll Mandati has there's preheracy post-heracy Mandati.
[SPEAKER_01]: So preheracy the Mandati's job has always been to move the Titans around.
[SPEAKER_01]: Preheracy they were the imperial navy.
[SPEAKER_01]: They would actually
[SPEAKER_01]: post-heracy, the mandatty became the people buying the tickets for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's going to be in the travel agents.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just said in the reading, it just did make as much sense to me because I've read a lot of the novels where the imperial navy just picks up titans and they just go, that's because in them you talk your reading later.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is post-heracy.
[SPEAKER_01]: pre-Harracy, the Mandati, it's a pre-Harracy, they would actually run their own Nades.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was the same thing, so everyone, it's the same thing, it used to be, it was the Imperial Guard and the Imperial Nades were one, it was just the Imperial Military, and then post-Harracy they split them, so the Guard as the bummer ride.
[SPEAKER_01]: right and that way they get secured they realize that letting the titans drive themselves around the galaxy kind of sucked for a bunch of planets because Horace's titans kept showing up on planets going hey uh how'd you guys like to uh join Horace?
[SPEAKER_01]: No let's call her and we'll check this out yeah check out what happens next
[SPEAKER_01]: So post-heracy, the Mandati, just would basically say, hey, can you give our Titan a ride, please?
[SPEAKER_01]: So they became kind of not useless, but they're more just a administrative thing post-heracy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's where I was confused about just because getting ready for this and just leaving different novels and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just talk about just grabbing these guys and going, you know, like, yeah,
[SPEAKER_00]: but it felt like they kind didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like it was, what's his face that you took a stapler?
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't really have a job.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be fixed a glitch.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he said.
[SPEAKER_01]: The next one is the crazy one.
[SPEAKER_01]: The divinity of telepathica, who has.
[SPEAKER_01]: an originist completely shrouded in mystery, they're only mentioned in a couple short stories and they're not even though that sheriff GW's that committed to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the idea of these is terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let's jam a cycle and a Titan and see what happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we're also going to shove a bunch of dark each of technology tech in that thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it shoots psychic weapons out for sweat.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But by the way, that's different than a side can when it looked this up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Side canons shoot bullets that are in few with anti-exciter bullets.
[SPEAKER_01]: Roots on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is full blown force weapons.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is basically firing
[SPEAKER_01]: these things are unpleasant, they're in balance.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're incredibly secretive.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not even sure if they still exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did, they were around in the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's some questions that they're still around.
[SPEAKER_01]: The grain that's totally still had, then they're 100% still around, who am I kidding?
[SPEAKER_01]: But any English, and would love these things.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then we get to my personal favorite, to devise you, invest a God.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, by the way, it makes no sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, their name makes no sense for what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're my favorite thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just I love them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their name makes no sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, their name is stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love them for absolutely no actual lower reason, but because of my own head cannon.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is only because in the lower every time, every time, the mechanic can try to play with big stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: It always goes badly.
[SPEAKER_01]: the every single time these guys are dragon lance knows just blowing shit up that's all that they do exactly these guys their job is to make new experimental weapons for emperor class titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I can tell you with certainty, there are entire worlds that no longer exist because of these guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't because the strange, yeah, oh, it's, they don't, because again, if you, they don't, and wire gauge and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,
[SPEAKER_01]: The inquisition makes sure no one from the inquisition is on a planet that they're on, because they don't want to lose them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if they lose, doesn't like someone, they will send them to a planet that these guys are long.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they have artists with fusion reactors.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're mad scientists, but they're the bad kind who always get it wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't think of the cartoon, but there is a cartoon that's just going to exist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and these are dragon-led snows.
[SPEAKER_01]: just absolutely fantastic.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't get anything right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with that, let's do kind of a quick history of the Titan legions and imperial history.
[SPEAKER_01]: So after the emperor unifies terror, his first stop is Mars.
[SPEAKER_01]: As we established, he'd been there 15 or so thousand years before the ancestors, the current people in Mars had gotten there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks to his lucky power, it's basically new having it was going on over the whole time.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes up there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Projects himself as the machine god and making a bunch of equipment on Mars react to his presence, which when I read it, it made me think of like, turn the century magicians like, you know, other tricks.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the way above most powerful slaker of the galaxy, we did four card tricks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this your card?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, how did he do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's I know it's one true guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is just a thousand percent.
[SPEAKER_01]: How I see it just him doing he pulled a rabbit out of a hat and blew everyone's mind although the story is
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter what, the Treaty of Olympus is signed in the Mechanicum joins the Imperium, and with them came the Titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Emperor goes out of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is, this time is arguably one of the most powerful forces in the galaxy since the war in heaven.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the Eldar, once again, were never that numerous.
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't need to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: They weren't that big, because the Eldar snuffed things before they were a problems.
[SPEAKER_01]: Comparatively.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're talking about 20 legions of 100,000 plus space marines, three titan legions that start growing as they find more worlds, trillions of soldiers, writing in space ships, none of them too.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then as they're going out, they keep finding worlds they're amenable to their causes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so a lot of times, like in the case of the 13th legion, especially, they would leave planets with
[SPEAKER_01]: So, this is a astronomically large fighting force, and the tight legions start benefiting massively.
[SPEAKER_01]: those first three legions, tempest us mortis and Ignaton that we started with, start growing massively.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get legio outaxe who are made up of scout titans for some reason, legio vulpa who are close to mortis.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also because when we start reclaiming the world's, I do still love the fact that I after all this time, always still say we with the imperial, I'm definitely part of the imperial.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're reclaiming forge worlds that have been gone for thousands of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this exponentially increases our ability to continue this fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the Crusade was so successful as we were getting them because stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because exactly they're going to planets.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, yeah, we'll join your calls and by the way, we've got more weapons than you have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is fun stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: STC's, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so these new legions, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Liklidio Volba, which I, that one doesn't know I mean, because they were known for close quarters fighting with a Titan.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, just now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: Ligio Ataris, who were technically traders that then became loyalists because they were traders against Kelbor Hall.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then he became a trader, so they became the oilist, cool story, fun story, you guys should read them.
[SPEAKER_01]: The uh, a legio fury in his.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, who went chaos before going chaos was cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's another one of the guys where I love the original story because they were apparently putting wild chaos arcane markings on them before like just in the open by the way, just like
[SPEAKER_01]: before the lower guard was doing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're just like, like, hey guys, how's it going?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, I feel that looks creepy as shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like nothing bands going on here, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, we'll just, you guys don't carve things into the skulls of your servitors.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that because your dorks?
[SPEAKER_01]: Nerds.
[SPEAKER_01]: But as a great crusade goes on, this kind of buddy system starts to develop.
[SPEAKER_01]: So different parts, the imperial military machine kind of finds that they get a long better with other parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we see this with a study's chapters, with the starting with some of the primarks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Horace and San Guinius, Full-German Ferris, Magnus and some guy named Khan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't find any references to him recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a guy named Khan Khan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Khan.
[SPEAKER_01]: things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jagatai, white, scars.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't, I looked him up.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing recent.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, I actually didn't get to feel like this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't told you this one.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want people to know this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I got sent because we were making fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one of my buddies said me, just jagged icon and just sent little clips of speed racer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like that's what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just, that's what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in the dark city.
[SPEAKER_01]: But even in the Legion side, space holes and dark angels obviously was a competition, but it actually was a positive competition, and they did like each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lunal old Zemper's children loved fighting with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nightlords and Deathguard actually were the only ones who deckered the only ones who liked the nightlords, which tracks...
[SPEAKER_01]: It tracks static.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the same came sure with the titan legions.
[SPEAKER_01]: As the Crusade continued, certain titan legions found themselves in more aligned with certain
[SPEAKER_01]: This becomes a bigger problem post-Undortho.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Emperor hands the reigns to Horace and the Titan Legends look to the new warm master.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Horace well before any problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been me love himself some Titan Legends.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was maintaining a great relationship with all of the Titan Legends.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also why would you, and you go, hey, you know what would be awesome?
[SPEAKER_00]: If I could just blow up anything I want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I want to make it clear.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't doing this with any ill intention.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was he was just a strategic, where it's it, I was about to say he's a strategic genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it's strategic genius.
[SPEAKER_01]: We go, hey, what's the god machine do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of blows everything up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go make sure they like me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did a strategic genius.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that one of the latest think of Horocerosy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Small aside, one of my favorite comments in the last couple weeks in Discord was still
[SPEAKER_00]: Why did they have to get past Pluto when they were invaded?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so far away.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could just miss it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The more the law point is why I explained it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but it was just so funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would only read it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was in my passion to bought it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the Horus made a real point of treating a titanly newsfire about rewarding them with technology, keeping their casualties very low, making sure he never sent them into an engagement that they could actually basically have significant losses in and all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: What made at the same time for the Imperian is the legio mortist who we talked about last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: The legio mortist or extremely loyal to the fabricator of Mars.
[SPEAKER_01]: they viewed the mecanicum as independent of the imperial.
[SPEAKER_01]: The, the, the, they's, the viewpoint was the treaty of Olympus made them allies.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's or not servants exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they, they weren't alone in this belief amongst titan legions.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the issue for the imperial is the legion boardus's forge world was on Mars.
[SPEAKER_01]: So when the Horace Heresy began, they were ground zero, and side note, they didn't like the other two legions who were on Mars, so this is a recipe for bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So to the sand, the events of Daven, Horace knows what's now knows what to do with the mechanical.
[SPEAKER_01]: He reached out to Calbor Hall and Calbor agrees to back Horace in secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kellboard then goes to legion mortise and gets them on his side, which was not hard because they were already on his side.
[SPEAKER_01]: He gives them access to the warmaster types that no one knows exists.
[SPEAKER_00]: And still think it's so hilarious, you're like, how these are so big, did you get access?
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely know about this secret.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't write this crap.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't look at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, it's, yeah, somehow they hid a bunch of giant robots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, so on Mars, Kelborg does have to work with us because he has a big problem.
[SPEAKER_01]: Terus pretty close.
[SPEAKER_01]: So any semblance of a protracted conflict, he auto loses because the force of the Imperium just immediately deploy there and wreck his little rebellion.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he has to get total control of the planet and his defenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the legion mortise come into play.
[SPEAKER_01]: The legion mortise,
[SPEAKER_01]: fire out very quickly with a brutal surprise attack on the legion tempestus who were both unprepared for an attack and unprepared for what was attacking them because they just got wrecked by these warm-up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also, they're using titan killers against titans, so yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: it's so bad that the ledger tempest was actually split.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them join the traders as come over to their side, and but there are a few who do survive and post heresy bring the legion back a little bit who survived.
[SPEAKER_01]: But with the Titans and the regular Skatari, Kelber Hall secures Mars before Taric and intervene, and White Dorn can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is just the tip of the iceberg of the Titans and the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because now, out in East Vaughn, there's other tight regions have joined.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, if you've read the books, which I've soon, so you haven't, if you hadn't, you're reading the good, the loylist half of the Trader regions are deployed in East Vaughn 3.
[SPEAKER_01]: On the surface, the fight is like fake foe, and they had a support element of the legio mortist, the legio outaxe, the legio vulva titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is because their void shields would make them immune to the life feeder virus.
[SPEAKER_01]: So as the world gets bombarded from orbit with this life feeder virus and catches fire, everything's burning up.
[SPEAKER_01]: The titans are just kind of hanging out and they begin gunning down any of the surviving of the stardists.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the cool scene of the book by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then, on Esteban 5, there's even more Titans playing this role, bringing in God-Engine level destruction down.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the Imperium is aware it's not just Horus that's turned on them, but also the Mechanicum.
[SPEAKER_01]: However, the mechanisms nature, it creates a bit of an issue here, as we were saying earlier in this cast and the last cast, the mechanism is kind of made up budget-independent parts.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not all of the houses, or just not all of the forge worlds, declare with Mars, quite a few, stay with the Imperian.
[SPEAKER_01]: because a lot of them do think the emperor is yam the sia and this sets up a whole bunch of cool novels that you should all go read.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I want to talk about here is kind of an interesting little problem that pops up as we move through the heresy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dorn notices something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dorn's got a problem, and the problem he's got is that if Horace gets the terror with God engines, well, their whole point is to break defenses.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he knows what Horace would do.
[SPEAKER_01]: If Horace's smart, Horace will hold back his tightens until he gets the terror, and he will deploy them on terror.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dorn can defend terror from tightens.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows how to do it,
[SPEAKER_01]: because it's just going to be basically engines firing against shields and then him firing who knows what back at though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love what he feels out because it's an obvious like you shouldn't do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Doran just goes effectively, hey man, you know what if he's super cool?
[SPEAKER_00]: If we had a giant robot fight, what do you think?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no reason to go there, by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's toys in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am a huge fan of God, Zella.
[SPEAKER_01]: And still in the way of the EGW.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's all this is.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, amen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see Jay Rowe?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: How about a ton of them in one spot, in a royal rumble, basically?
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is why we're doing higher story makes kind of no sense when you think about it, but it's also super awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to cover it real quick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Beta Garmin is a system that sits within segmentum solar and it holds one of the most stable warp routes out of the solar system.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is astronomically strategically important.
[SPEAKER_01]: During the heresy, it had stayed loyal, but then fell into civil war, Alpha Legion, there was Alpha Legion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then gets invaded by Emperor's children.
[SPEAKER_01]: Dorn then sends what's left of the Salamanders and a whole bunch of Titans there to retake it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a ploy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when I say a lot of times, I mean, way too many times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because Dorn does this and then Dorn does reinforcing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he does this because he believes Horace and Pedarabbo will do something stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: they could go around the system to invade soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Dorn knew that Hedoraba would want to cast himself against Dorn before the invasion of soul.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so Dorn just overloads this planet with defenses and titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And because he does that, Horus has to do the same.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the ensuing honor he could have just blown up the ships and drove away.
[SPEAKER_00]: but we wouldn't have specific rim happening on other massive scale, you know, this is the song is what this is.
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's tights.
[SPEAKER_01]: The casualties at Beta Garmin are larger than the prior five years of the entire Horace Heresy combined.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the Titan battle is referred to as Titan Death, because the amount of Titans that die here it never recovers.
[SPEAKER_01]: With Bylay Dorn was totally okay with the fact that he'd wanted this more than anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Senguinius was also there again, a Khan Jaggedike, and he hasn't come up recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll find out later, we'll see it happens.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were also both there, but the reason that matters
[SPEAKER_01]: we get the modern 40k, there actually aren't that many times.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we get the end of the heresy, there are items at the siege of terror and we will cover that when we go through the end of death novels.
[SPEAKER_01]: but post-Harracy, Titans are hard to make.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've lost a lot of STCs.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've lost a lot of forgeals.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've lost a lot of stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We actually 40 near 41,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost a 42,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: We are 42,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Imperium is less capable than it was in the year of 30,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: So these Titans, some of them just can't be made anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: at the same time, the imperiums also a little less inclined to make them because they saw what happens when Titans turn on themselves.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we went from what was potentially tens of thousands of Titans to barely hundreds at this stage.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to get actual numbers on it, but it Titans are a lot smaller in number now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they're still good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is one Titan can swing an entire battle if you're carrying this baby or a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Imperium needs to have Titans because the Trader still have a few.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is why in modern 40K, we don't really see a lot of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although there are some funny, my funny towel story, to that through this side, there is a story about the towel learning about Titans from one of the Trader, who's like,
[SPEAKER_01]: who are doing the greater good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they go, that's just stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one would make anything that big.
[SPEAKER_01]: What you're out of your mind.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I've tightened a pierce them on their battles and just wrecks all their storm surges.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they go, uh, the Imperium's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is also, the reason I bring this up, I wanted to kind of touch that that battle is that is why in modern 40k, we really don't see them very much.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you read the stories, a lot of the modern novels, you don't hear a lot of types, even when we covered the siege of racks.
[SPEAKER_01]: There were some titans that were involved in racks, but it actually wasn't that many.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas if you lead some of the horse heresy novels, they'll be like, oh, yeah, they deploy like a hundred titans to do a battle.
[SPEAKER_01]: See, Javrax, or we're like, doesn't not eat him.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, that's that.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Titans.
[SPEAKER_01]: With that though, I think we nailed it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure I'll get complaints.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: But next week, we're going to take a little bit of a break and move into something at a big fan request, the 10th first and only.
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't covered guard in a long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually since we covered guard, I actually plagued.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think for a full year.
[SPEAKER_01]: and didn't talk about them as felt weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to talk about guard some more and this is a great way to do it because those novels are awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Two stories heads up if you haven't read the novels, we're going to spoil it some really bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was like I was starting to write the show notes and I'm like
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you haven't read these, I'm kind of going to ruin them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, sorry to advance, but also, if you, you know, we've been out reading them, guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've been out for like a decade.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, just calling that one out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But until then, John Barsotti, Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_01]: This guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: See you guys then.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you very much.