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[UNKNOWN]: I'm one of your hosts.
[UNKNOWN]: It's your old pal Mike Spirish joining alongside your other host case, low in case it is 105 degrees outside right now and in Fort Worth, Texas.
[UNKNOWN]: It is while during right now, but how are you doing up in a little bit more temperate Chicago?
[UNKNOWN]: Unseasonably cold this week.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't I don't have to deal with 105 degree temperatures.
[UNKNOWN]: That's no fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I did have to deal with the worst air quality in the world last week in the worst air quality in the history of Chicago on record, but that is now past us.
[UNKNOWN]: I have survived my lungs are of course worse off for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I did inhale.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure I'm completely unhealthy amount of Canadian wildfire smoke.
[UNKNOWN]: But there was no other way that I would rather prepare for the Kobe World season.
[UNKNOWN]: There was no other way that I would rather prepare for Kobe World.
[UNKNOWN]: I have made it through alive.
[UNKNOWN]: I am here to talk to you.
[UNKNOWN]: I have a written review that as we speak, I'm putting the finishing touches on.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll wrap that up after this podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll be done with Kobe World 2021.
[UNKNOWN]: Why have this in the rear view?
[UNKNOWN]: The biggest show of the Drain Get Year.
[UNKNOWN]: And one of the most I would say turbulent, tumultuous,
[UNKNOWN]: We've gotten through the big one, Mike.
[UNKNOWN]: We've gotten through the big one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, with the way that the schedule works out, I mean, there's only so many other tent pole shows for the rest of the year, but we got through the 26th Cova World Pro Wrestling Festival, and that's what we're going to be talking about tonight on the program.
[UNKNOWN]: And, uh,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as we talked about last week, we kind of entered this show and our preview with some measured skepticism while recognizing that the card on paper might be more appealing to one set of less habitual dragon gate fans versus the ones that then week to week into the promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: I think before we get into our overall takeaways and our thoughts, let's not kind of be around the bush.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's give some spoiler-free recommendations so that folks that are waiting to hear, like our thoughts on what to watch before we get into the show itself.
[UNKNOWN]: So, okay, so what would you recommend off of COBA World 2026?
[UNKNOWN]: The match recommendations that I have sent to the pundits at large that are parachuting in for Kobe World 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: I have it in two categories.
[UNKNOWN]: I have the must watch matches which I would place as three of the four title matches.
[UNKNOWN]: The Dringate match with Casey versus Madoka Kukuta, the brave gate match with Hamari versus Rhea Tanaka, and the triangle gate match with Heo Jackie Kame and Rita versus Ducci, Strung Machine J and UT.
[UNKNOWN]: I would also have in the recommended category the twin gate match.
[UNKNOWN]: of Eastern and Yoshi Hikato versus Coach Minora and Yuki Yoshioca in the opening match of Oki and Rio Futa versus Kazuma Kamora and Bochizuki Jr.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, I kind of have it very similar to how you would have it.
[UNKNOWN]: We have not discussed really anything about anything about your thoughts on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we only have talked in the last few days as to what time we were recording tonight because I needed to be an hour later than we usually are.
[UNKNOWN]: But I have not spoken to you about this show.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know your thoughts on anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I have questions for you that I probably shouldn't ask you ahead of time that I did it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll ask you this on the air that I'll let you finish your thought.
[UNKNOWN]: Have we, have we seen an attendance number for Kobe world twenty twenty six?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is a number that we'll get into after I give my recommendation.
[UNKNOWN]: Excellent.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I like to give you.
[UNKNOWN]: I've pulled up.
[UNKNOWN]: I have it pulled up.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I kind of intentionally just because of a way from rest like stuff in my life.
[UNKNOWN]: I was not going to be able to get to Kobe world in any sort of a quick fashion that's also one of the reasons why I was so willing to have this be a little bit of a later show this week just was like it was not going to happen for me actually up until today.
[UNKNOWN]: So I managed to say completely unspoiled until I finished the show which meant I basically disconnected from the internet for the last few days which you know not bad.
[UNKNOWN]: But essentially there are two piles of recommendations that you would have from the show.
[UNKNOWN]: You would have the, if you have time, this is the nice thing to watch and the three things that you absolutely have to go out of your way to watch and I think that these three things that you're opinion on the triangle gate, the twin gate, not the twin gate part of me, the triangle gate, the brave gate and the dream gate.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're someone who is coming in for this kind of show,
[UNKNOWN]: into those matches as the way that we are, you will come away from this Kobe world with a very kind of strong opinion of it, but everything else on the show, I would say, yeah, the twin gate is worth it if you have time, I, after that, I mean the,
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's kind of it for me as I'm looking through my star ratings like I don't though no necessarily I would recommend the three way six man tag I the model match absolutely not but those three title matches I think really did a whole lot of
[UNKNOWN]: Kind of setting the promotion in a direction to at least finish out this 2026 in a strong fashion in case now that those are the recommendations and Well, let's buy a little game fee attendance because I have it pulled up right in front of me right now yesterday or last week.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why I don't say yesterday, but last week
[UNKNOWN]: we said 40 to 50 as the go out for one beer go like okay that's fine and move along with it 4,000 as the uh that's a little tough and then kind of going down from 250 up in all kinds of directions in our positivity about the attendance for this show.
[UNKNOWN]: Where would you put the attendance
[UNKNOWN]: case the attendance was 39.80 so just at 4,000 basically all right yeah you know if you're in the room for that given the quality of this show and we'll enter you know spoiler territory so log out if you haven't seen this show and don't want to be spoiled for some reason aren't at this point but
[UNKNOWN]: You know, you do 3980, but you have the show you have.
[UNKNOWN]: You leave Kobe world that night.
[UNKNOWN]: You shake hands with the person next to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Say, job well done.
[UNKNOWN]: Probably probably not a group outing at the bar, but you'll hold your head a little bit higher as you're walking into the hotel room.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe you do drinks at the hotel bar, but you're not going out anywhere.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, it's look, it's not a good number.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's no way to spend that is not a good number.
[UNKNOWN]: I would argue, however, not an outright disaster.
[UNKNOWN]: And you gave yourself room to grow on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: You should feel better about the state of your promotion, leaving this show than you did coming into it, which has been a rarity this year.
[UNKNOWN]: I would argue that,
[UNKNOWN]: It has been just a constant downhill slide where you shouldn't have gone into many of these Drain Gate shows.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're in the office this year, feeling very good about the product.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you put on some shows where I would leave feeling even worse about it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of those where I came into this show incredibly skeptical about not only the quality that we were going to see on this night, but just the general direction of the company.
[UNKNOWN]: And I feel like I can breathe just a little easier.
[UNKNOWN]: I like some of the things that I saw.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm encouraged by the direction of certain things.
[UNKNOWN]: That is a bad number, but it is not an outright disaster given the quality of this show and the directions that some things could be headed.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, we could also be here a month from now going, God, remember how good we felt after Kobe World, where did that go?
[UNKNOWN]: And that in 2026 is a very real possibility that we do have to wrap our heads around.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I would be okay with stepping by the Konbini grabbing a beer and an ice cream treat on my way out.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that that's kind of where I would take away from this.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the card on paper was not a card that
[UNKNOWN]: you know, really gave any reasons to unless that you're someone that's going to go to a the tent pool show of dragon gates year every year.
[UNKNOWN]: I think we kind of figured out what that floor is at this point of time with that, but I think that it the business tells the story of what the card was on paper, but
[UNKNOWN]: I think that the question I have for you case is that when we talked about the show on the preview last week, we both kind of came to a very similar one to 10 kind of scale of where we were at on the our excitement going to the show we both were at a fork and we acknowledged that this is a show that we could have walked out of being at a four that things were made exactly the same and it would be kind of like a
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it could have gotten a whole lot worse.
[UNKNOWN]: We, there's a version of this show that could have been easily, okay, a DEF Con 1 of what's up with this Dragon Gate.
[UNKNOWN]: We're at a one right now.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's the world that, it's all systems go, and we're screaming out into the sheets saying, like, watch out for the next four months of Dragon Gate.
[UNKNOWN]: We are, we've put everything behind you.
[UNKNOWN]: The gasoline has been fixed and the booking office.
[UNKNOWN]: Where do you feel like you are now coming out of the show?
[UNKNOWN]: If I entered this show at a four, I'm exiting this show at probably a 6.5, maybe, maybe I could be talked into a seven.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's some emotional scarring with the year that they've had and just the general discomfort that this promotion has caused me.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, where again, and I've talked about this on the show where
[UNKNOWN]: It's been tricky to analyze because some of it is I don't know if just I am interested in the polar opposite decision than the one that they made or if it's a poor decision or if it's both, but there are so many things this year that have happened from a booking perspective that I have just inherently disagreed with and it's also been a promotion that.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, I'll finish this year probably unless we go on a real territory the last four months, which I guess is possible, but not necessarily expected.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll have the fewest four star or higher dragon gate matches this year.
[UNKNOWN]: than ever before.
[UNKNOWN]: And I've been, I've been keeping track of match of the year, you know, four stars and above listings since 2014.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is going to be the weakest year, Drangates ever had that includes 2020.
[UNKNOWN]: And that would include 2018, which is sort of the other year that I look at as the creative and inering low point for the promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: So all in all, I liked Kobe world.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a thumbs up show.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, I would say it's a pretty easy show to watch all things considered.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it had three legitimately great matches with one match of the year contender.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it had a few matches that were good.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like that open.
[UNKNOWN]: I think people should watch that open.
[UNKNOWN]: There was
[UNKNOWN]: one booking decision that bothered me quite a bit and had they go on the other direction and the finish for that match.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I might be a little bit higher.
[UNKNOWN]: Had that match been better, even with the finish, I think I would be a little bit higher on this show and a little bit higher on where I'm at with Drangate right now.
[UNKNOWN]: But that was a reminder that we're living in a reality.
[UNKNOWN]: And then Drangit isn't just going to be able to shake the rust off in one night with a main event that was magical with a triangle gate match.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really special and with a really good brave gate match.
[UNKNOWN]: There are still flaws in this promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: There are still long-term things that I'm super concerned about.
[UNKNOWN]: But I would say for the first time since I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike, the January cork and haul show this year, I'm like, oh, I kind of like the direction that things are headed right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think I might be a touch more optimistic thing.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I would be a solid seven just because even the stuff that I wouldn't necessarily recommend, I wouldn't call it bad.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.
[UNKNOWN]: You know what you're going to get with a shoe and sky walker kind of match like this in the like this three way six main and it was exactly the kind of match that you were expecting to have I mean it was just a whole lot of crowd brawling and then you know you had a nice kind of dive train bane and wolf were fun little additions there and then she was going to.
[UNKNOWN]: be Jason Clean, like it was exactly that, it just didn't go to a level above expectation.
[UNKNOWN]: Yamato is a 20th anniversary, the 12-man tag, Paradox versus Torimond Generation.
[UNKNOWN]: It kind of went on a longer than I expected by wouldn't say that it was necessarily bad and I would say listening to English commentary and having Jay kind of go in and talk about Yamato's relationships with people in the match was kind of a nice touch there.
[UNKNOWN]: And I like the opener.
[UNKNOWN]: It did not get a whole lot of time, but it was not to be expensive.
[UNKNOWN]: You get a whole lot of time.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was just a real fun matchup with the four young guys in the roster.
[UNKNOWN]: But I mean, like, coming out of this case, I'll say this.
[UNKNOWN]: I have the triangle gate, Bravegate, which I think I might be a little higher on than you just from the way it sounds.
[UNKNOWN]: And the drink gate all at four and a half stars.
[UNKNOWN]: And for me, if this is a show that I mean,
[UNKNOWN]: going out of the Amado match.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, okay, we kind of need this business into pick up in the way that we need it to pick up and the twin gate.
[UNKNOWN]: I think there's a lot to kind of impact with that.
[UNKNOWN]: But the the the three matches that we were kind of counted on to carry up to carry out like the bulk of the.
[UNKNOWN]: work output, I feel like hit exactly what you expected, and at the very least, with things are going into August, and the eventual lead up to the show at Odo Ward in about six weeks, I think that they have a pretty strong kind of footing, and it will be interesting to kind of see
[UNKNOWN]: run now goes for KZ and I think that you know we spent a lot of time last week trying to unpack like what it meant if KZ was to become drinkate champion and you know we said all of that but like
[UNKNOWN]: Low and behold, watching the match the 25-minute kind of war there that in a lot of ways was a tribute to all the other kind of KZ title matches to get to this place by the time that he did the five elbow smashes to win.
[UNKNOWN]: I was there for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I was ready and I was dying waiting to see if KZ won and then everything after that match.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh,
[UNKNOWN]: All right, we're with KZ here, and it might not be a long time.
[UNKNOWN]: It might not be necessarily a run that in 2031.
[UNKNOWN]: We look at as really formulating kind of the future here, but have to look at as a move in the positive direction after the absolute disappointment of Madoka Kakuta, second room gate, Ron.
[UNKNOWN]: If you have that happen on top, it's going to have me be at a level of positiveness.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I find myself a lot more excited going into August, and especially going into Ray Day Prayhouse than I thought I would be this in this seat last week.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, let's start there.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start with a dream gate match.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start with Kukuta.
[UNKNOWN]: We obviously both have a lot to say on KZ in just a second, but this Kukuta rain is very funny.
[UNKNOWN]: I was taking a walk last night.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was thinking about how I wanted to tackle it on this show.
[UNKNOWN]: And I kept on going back to an analogy that Bill Simmons uses all the time when he talks about basketball and it starts on carom alone.
[UNKNOWN]: And he said time after time, one of the reasons that he wrote the book of basketball was that
[UNKNOWN]: You know, with the time alone was the the second highest score and NBA history now he's the third behind Lebron and career and you know he has this horrible fear that 30 or 40 years from now we're going to look at basketball reference and for the people that weren't there in real time they're going to see Carl Malone stats.
[UNKNOWN]: in the impact that he had on an individual level, and they're going to go, oh, okay, Carl Malone was one of the greatest players of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it was Shack and Kobe and Jordan and Pippin and Malone as, you know, these all-time guys that, you know, had the peak of their career that I did or whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: And Simmons has pushed back against that time after time and that, you know, if you were watching in real time, it's just ridiculous to think of Malone as one of the truly greatest NBA players of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: When you look at this by Doca coco to dreamy right, and we've talked about the complexities of this as it's gone along a really good, been came match a really good sum of your coast, come at a really good Gianni Valeta match.
[UNKNOWN]: Is there one more there was there was a there was a one more in there.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the Kai match was not good.
[UNKNOWN]: The Ocio come at was not good, but on paper, when you factor in Ben and to sumu and Valeta and now Casey.
[UNKNOWN]: you're looking at at a pretty solid dream gate run on paper.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, there's four legitimately great matches in that run with the KZ match being the best performance of Kucho's career.
[UNKNOWN]: The problem is that we live through it.
[UNKNOWN]: And the problem is that we've existed in 2026 and we saw in the interim how poor the build were and how not engaging Kukuta was his champion and we saw a three-month gap between the Kai match and the KZ match and just how this promotion was rudderless and it wasn't going to be Kukuta that was going to save them with anything that he could do as the top of the pack you know as the top champion of this promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: It was just bad top down, and it was bad because of Kakuja.
[UNKNOWN]: And he just happened to get bailed out by a big match-up in K-performance.
[UNKNOWN]: He got bailed out by a big match-up.
[UNKNOWN]: Some of you could just get performance.
[UNKNOWN]: He got bailed out by a great bill to a Gianni Villeta match.
[UNKNOWN]: And here was the time where, yes, look, everybody rightfully so, is talking about K-Z about what's to come with K-Z about K-Z's career, where he stands as an all-timeer.
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, trust me, can't tell me a horror fans are not going to want to hear what I have to say about Casey here, just a minute, and the comparison I always make between those two.
[UNKNOWN]: But Kukuta had the best match of his life here, and this match would not be as good if Kukuta wasn't doing the things that Kukuta did in this match, and I thought he was absolutely marvelous.
[UNKNOWN]: I had had his high mark previously as the dead are alive 2023 match against shoe skywalker where he first won the dream gate belt.
[UNKNOWN]: That match up to this point was the best thing to cook it ever done.
[UNKNOWN]: This clears that.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the new high mark from Adoko Kukuchas career.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I feel like that the malone comparison is so apt just because you look at like the result you go like, okay, four star, four and a half star and you go like, oh geez, this guy really put in a big shift as champion and it's just impossible to
[UNKNOWN]: in context disentangle him from a lot of the negativity that just dripped throughout the promotion while he was championing.
[UNKNOWN]: Frankly, I mean, the fact that as the title run went along, it got more and more kind of stale to be honest.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I would argue that the
[UNKNOWN]: Kai match maybe was not as boring necessarily as the OCHI Oka match, but after he got through Susumu, the title matches change and they've got a lot worse when he started at and in interference with it.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, it's such an interesting thing to kind of
[UNKNOWN]: Look at Kakudah in this guy's because now he's only 24 he has had two sizable dream gate runs at this point, and it's kind of hard to put him in like this absolute
[UNKNOWN]: you really start boiling down and it's hard to like take a lot of stuff away from him when you have a match like you did a headlining Kobe world which I think we can say objectively
[UNKNOWN]: looking at him as progression as a champion hit he had the match of his career at a place where two were three years ago, it was a very underwhelming dream gate match that he was championing.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was responsible for that performance.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the tough thing with Kukuta.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like,
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't I don't know what to do with him now and I was I was talking comfortably like the best book person in the roster like it as a champion if you want to like look at it just like what you want for a champion He's been booked as well as anyone else in the company over the last year is just toxic the way that the rain came off as yeah no I mean that that's the trick you think I was talking to somebody about this earlier this week that
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's going to watch this show, but it's certainly not a show to show during a viewer and I was I was talking to them and I was like, you know, the thing with coco to us like
[UNKNOWN]: You know, last year I thought he was a top 15, 15, one, five, rests on the world.
[UNKNOWN]: This year, he's probably not going to be in my top 50.
[UNKNOWN]: And we've seen these wide swaths throughout his career.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's only been active for six years.
[UNKNOWN]: And he missed an entire year due to injury.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's just this vicious up and down with him.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, Mike, you remember when he came back from injury in 2022,
[UNKNOWN]: He looked dead on arrival.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he showed no fire.
[UNKNOWN]: He looked lost on this roster.
[UNKNOWN]: It took time.
[UNKNOWN]: It took Shingo Takagi being the crap out of him to get his head on straight.
[UNKNOWN]: We talked at length about how, you know, his contemporaries were S. B. Kento and Jackie Kame and Kento by that point at already.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, God, he was, he was on his way out of the company.
[UNKNOWN]: when Kuku took him back, which is so crazy to think about, but Ken to had that established career or that arc with the brave gay belt.
[UNKNOWN]: And we were just starting to really see how special Kame was as a wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: And Kuku just, I mean, he wasn't there when he came back.
[UNKNOWN]: He wasn't there between the bells and he was wrestling really.
[UNKNOWN]: Typically, and he showed no fire and he had no heart and he had no charisma.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they sort of stumbled into something with him as at first the decourage assistant not even a full blown member of that unit and then he started to find his footing and decourage and he had that brief twin gate run with Yoshioka in 2022 that I'm sorry with that I think that was die in 2022 Yoshioka was dream gate champion and by the end of the year is like all right I think we're okay with this guy then you're right you know that there's that shingo match at final gate 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: That was really or I guess I was final gate 2022 because 2023 was that awful Three way match.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, yes, so final gate 2022 shingo comes aboard.
[UNKNOWN]: He has that great tag match with cocoon.
[UNKNOWN]: We're sort of off to the races.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, Dead or alive 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the crowning of a new champion.
[UNKNOWN]: He cuts the Ray was six promo.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he starts to lay some eggs after that.
[UNKNOWN]: And so he has this great run to in 2022.
[UNKNOWN]: He comes in in 2023 with a ton of momentum.
[UNKNOWN]: And then by the end of the year, we're back to dead on arrival.
[UNKNOWN]: Kukuta, he's a failing champion.
[UNKNOWN]: He loses the belt in a really weak match.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, we got to start over with this guy.
[UNKNOWN]: But now he finds himself in a decourage without Yoshio, because he's injured, but with Dian Tanaka,
[UNKNOWN]: And suddenly, when they're used because there wasn't a ton of focus given to them throughout points and time in 2024, but when they're used, it's a super fun trio and Kukuta's doing great work again.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm kind of getting sucked back into the idea of Madoka Kukuta.
[UNKNOWN]: When he turned heel last year, I thought the heel turned angle in the cage at the last set of our live show,
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that was a bit of a mess and I don't think it got over in the way that they were hoping for it too.
[UNKNOWN]: But my do remember last year, May June July August, all the corkids in the build of that dangerous skate match, you and I would come on the show and we would go rule.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to kill the rules.
[UNKNOWN]: This heel turn was a stroke of genius.
[UNKNOWN]: We didn't think he had this in him, but my God is this guy special.
[UNKNOWN]: He's nailed this heel character.
[UNKNOWN]: He had that no de-cume match with strong machine jake, Kobe world last year.
[UNKNOWN]: I wrote almost as much about that match as anything else during World Escher because I had so many thoughts coming away from it about the trajectory of Strong Machine J and the trajectory of Kukuta and just what a home run this heel turn has been and the future is bright from Adoka Kukuta
[UNKNOWN]: And then he wins the Dreamgate belt in August last year and that weird match with Skywalker where unfortunately my antenna was raised and my antenna was correct that maybe something was a little off with shoot at that point.
[UNKNOWN]: But he won the belt and it didn't feel super satisfying felt like the wind had gotten taken out of the sales of Skywalker a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: felt like it wasn't the match to really kick the cocoo to rain off in the best way possible.
[UNKNOWN]: And for the last 11 months we've just had this sort of love hate relationship with this
[UNKNOWN]: It was a week build of the Ben match.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a week build of the Sassuma match.
[UNKNOWN]: But those matches were great.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he had the voletta match.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we thought he was going to lose the title on February to Yoshioka.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a match that.
[UNKNOWN]: in so many ways was great and yet they did everything in their power to ruin it and by the end of the match that match was indeed ruined and from February to now I it wasn't that I hated them as champion as much as I was just purely apathetic.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't care about what he was doing.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't like him as champion, but I didn't pay any mind to it because he was a complete abject failure as dream gate champion in my mind.
[UNKNOWN]: But now he ends his reign with this and assuming we get him, you know, maybe it's he and Jason Lee and Kai and some trio's matches because it seems like the focus for that unit going forward, the tag is still gonna be Eash and Kato.
[UNKNOWN]: Who knows what he does, but Mike, I'm kind of back in on Madoka Kukuta.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think just getting out of the scenario.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, it clearly given the shape of the other guy, the exit ramp of Yuki Oshioca made a lot of sense at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: And maybe we'd be back kind of to more of a warm feeling with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just like, he is such a hard guy to really parse.
[UNKNOWN]: And the more I think about it,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like him going into tag league is now a lot more kind of interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean he's someone that I mean this was a sort of loss to KZ that I mean you can imagine him just going on a complete war path with Jason or Kai throughout
[UNKNOWN]: Ray Day per a house and that is instantly him kind of just murdering people very easily and then he feels like he would be at a level of enthusiasm or a level of interest that he just lost throughout the title mat the title run.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean it also is worth stating that this was only his third title match
[UNKNOWN]: And that I feel like colors it a lot to he only has had title matches at the big shows and the one match against a Kai and I think that I think that if we had more title defenses maybe one or two more at this point things well maybe the apathy wouldn't be so entrenched at that point with them because I mean
[UNKNOWN]: We saw enough of him in 2025, no, no, that he was capable of being a great heel champion at points.
[UNKNOWN]: And we saw against KZ that he, if he had the right opponent in doing the right style of match, then necessarily mean who the challenger of necessarily needed to be in that scenario, just never kind of lined up right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, there's a larger issue with the way that Drangate has handled their titles in 2026 that we'll talk about when we get to the triangle gate stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: I as I was writing my written review.
[UNKNOWN]: I put together a stat that was.
[UNKNOWN]: So unbelievably alarming when I came across it and the dream gate belt certainly figures into that a little bit and just the lack of activity, the lack of focus, you know, especially from Golden Coliseum to now, it's just been a complete afterthought, which has been so odd because it's not like we left Golden Coliseum going.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is the obvious main event for Kobe world.
[UNKNOWN]: We can just wait until they get to this point.
[UNKNOWN]: It was the opposite.
[UNKNOWN]: We were like, how did they go through a triple shot in Hakita with the end of May and not do anything to build up a possible dream gate batch at world?
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it wasn't until the half-hazardly put together KZ versus the yellow stuff of the second June cork and that we had any sort of direction.
[UNKNOWN]: So to go, to go that long without a dream gate match when there wasn't an obvious direction.
[UNKNOWN]: is a really, really, really strange thing.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think Kuta falls into maybe a little bit of the same trap that a post-Iinjury Yoshio could does in certainly coach minorities, which is where these are guys that are one-be guys.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I think Kuta is a phenomenal tag team wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: and that they had gone a different direction with the twin gate match.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Kakuta and X, whether that be Jason Lee, or whether that be Kai or whether that be Asian or Kata, whatever gosh I don't grow due, they'd want to put together with Kakuta.
[UNKNOWN]: I think those guys could have a stellar match against Yoshioka and Menor, because spiritually, I think, and again, this is specifically post-Iangere Yoshioka.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're all kind of the same wrestler, and I think they all have the same struggles, and I think they all do the same things incredibly well that they do well.
[UNKNOWN]: That's worked out for Yoshioka and Menor.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm incredibly bullish on that tag team.
[UNKNOWN]: For Cacuta, I don't need to see him in a serious singles push for quite some time.
[UNKNOWN]: Get him in a tag team, get him rackin' up wins that way.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think that he is ultimately going to suffer the same fate of the Oshoka and Menorua, where he can be an awesome all-star tag team, where you've got two really popular wrestlers in that group, but he comes across like an even bigger star as a result.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm just mentally it's going to take a lot for me to invest in another big Madoka Kukuta singles push whether that be as a baby face or as a heal.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I mean, I go back the fact that he's 26 he's 27 that's I mean, that's the I just to cut you off Just real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: I apologize, but
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's the strange thing with this roster, because when we talk about the brave game match in a little bit like, I love that match.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that match was legitimately great.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't like how much it's due to, but I thought that match was a four-star, great match.
[UNKNOWN]: But I thought it was a four-star match because of the work that Tanaka did.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm not sure that Hamari brought a ton to the table in that match,
[UNKNOWN]: Mars also 21 it's like I'm not going to write this guy off as a big mattress or the guys 21 he's going to figure it out I'm so surprised like I and this is that you know for multiple people I've heard this from where they're treating this g one with Aaron wolf is like well we're going to figure out whether he's a start out of this g one I'm like
[UNKNOWN]: I look, New Japan has a ton of issues, drinking as a ton of issues.
[UNKNOWN]: I understand the urgency to create a star right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Do we have to write this guy off right now?
[UNKNOWN]: If he doesn't totally figure it out, and the cocoo to thing, it's just strange that you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, okay, he's 26, but he also is a two-time-droom-gate champion.
[UNKNOWN]: He's also definitive to dream about twice at Kobe World now.
[UNKNOWN]: So he's 26, and you want to give him time to grow, but he's also been in positions where he's really needed to succeed.
[UNKNOWN]: finished with mixed results out best.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess I, I'm of two minds of yes, absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: Kukuta is getting down cycle staying away really from being on top figure.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's really shouldn't challenge for the belt until you end up being a baby face again, like just keep him away from that.
[UNKNOWN]: He should be wrestling Kazuma Komora as often as humanly possible for the rest of this year.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, like he should be just not necessarily doing much.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, like essentially what Yamato has been doing for the last 14 months up until to Asika and maybe we do stuff with Yamato now.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we recognize that Yamato is an active wrestler on this roster that we can use him and push him and put him in angles.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, yeah, but I also like look at it as what all he's accomplished at 26 and now that we're seeing someone at age 30 leave the company and it's not solely because of Oh, what else is there to do with them?
[UNKNOWN]: It's time for him to kind of move on here, but you look at his checklist and you look at Kakudas checklist and they're both looking pretty full at a certain kind of point that
[UNKNOWN]: you know, the waiting around for him might not just not happen because, you know, at a certain point, this might be a guy that moves on and that's not me saying anything or knowing anything is just, I mean, he's accomplished so much, I mean, at 26 and you can contrast that even to like, your motto at this point of his career, your motto, yeah, he won a, at that point was the fastest
[UNKNOWN]: then he was psyched down for a couple of years until post blood warriors in junction three, right?
[UNKNOWN]: So it's an interesting situation.
[UNKNOWN]: I can kind of go in a lot of ways about what is best for Medoka Kuda for the remainder of 2026 and into 2027.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I feel very passionately.
[UNKNOWN]: The only person on this roster that is creatively spent that I don't think has a place in Dren Gate anymore is Gianni Valetta.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is not due to the work that Valetta has done.
[UNKNOWN]: It's that I thought they told the perfect story with him when he lost the dream gate building December.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm really uninterested in anything else they do with Valetta just because I thought it was the perfect right off.
[UNKNOWN]: I could have given you five years of shooting skywalker programming that I wanted to see that we'll never get
[UNKNOWN]: And Kukuta, even at 26 with two dream gate reigns under his belt, there's still plenty to do with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's downcycle him for a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's get some of this stink off of him.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe there's a new heel unit that he's involved with, but doesn't necessarily lead.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that would do him some good and we'll go from there.
[UNKNOWN]: But on the whole.
[UNKNOWN]: A complicated and heavily heavily heavily flawed dream gate reign.
[UNKNOWN]: But it ends with the match of his life.
[UNKNOWN]: It ends with.
[UNKNOWN]: The best ranked match I've seen this year, one of the best matches in wrestling period this year, and after six failed dream gate challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike for the first time ever, KZ is the open-the-dream gay champion.
[UNKNOWN]: And why not?
[UNKNOWN]: At this point.
[UNKNOWN]: why not.
[UNKNOWN]: And why not do it in the way that they exactly did in Kobe two nights ago.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a situation where like, I don't have huge expectations for him trying to be a key collector or anything.
[UNKNOWN]: And if the way that this schedule kind of lends itself, I mean, he's not defending until Oda it seems like.
[UNKNOWN]: But, yeah, I mean, this match really felt like a testament to those other six matches, and especially KZ finally reaching like the point of where he always had the perseverance and the gumption, but this time he was able to kind of
[UNKNOWN]: both his body held up through a hellacious beating.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, one of like, he is one of the most ridiculous bumpers in dream gate history and there were at least three different ones that I went like Jesus Christ KZ.
[UNKNOWN]: That looked pretty bad.
[UNKNOWN]: But this time it all came together for a minute felt like that in a way, the spider twist strategy that was developing in the lead up was the key to kind of tire,
[UNKNOWN]: KZ down or Kakuta down to a point that we got to see that the like at like the 20 minute mark the Battle of Elbow versus Lariat and Give credit Kakuta the way that he sold that last five minutes and especially into the closing stretch for KZ wins after What I counted as five obo smashes with a pen fall between the two of them, but ending with
[UNKNOWN]: probably some of the more devastating ones after unleashing the full clip.
[UNKNOWN]: 20 years into his career, KZ is finally Dreamgate Champion.
[UNKNOWN]: One of the most physical matches in Dragonade history, I can't believe for a 27-minute match, I can't believe the pace that they worked at where
[UNKNOWN]: Day was no stalling.
[UNKNOWN]: There was no stalling.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that in the end?
[UNKNOWN]: There was no Sheema-esque dream gate opening with us.
[UNKNOWN]: It was bombs from the start for 27 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: The only breakcase in sorry for interrupting you.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no go ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: Was what was the 20 count for the pile driver on the stage?
[UNKNOWN]: That was like the only real breather portion of this entire mat.
[UNKNOWN]: And I really like Casey throwing himself down the ramp to get over the ramp.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the whole thing
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, it's, there's a few minutes at the beginning where they're feeling each other out.
[UNKNOWN]: But from the moment that Kukuta hits the backdrop driver that sends Kazy on to the apron, it's on.
[UNKNOWN]: And it never slows down.
[UNKNOWN]: And it, I still, like I can't stop thinking about the physicality of this match.
[UNKNOWN]: And I really, really, really hope.
[UNKNOWN]: that the people that will check in for this show, that don't typically wash, triangle, maybe that don't typically enjoy during either this point.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope they are as moved by that as I was to appoint that towards the finishing stretch.
[UNKNOWN]: Kukuta hit two different hip attacks.
[UNKNOWN]: They got a very loud, very audible reaction out of me.
[UNKNOWN]: And Kazy down the stretch, the forms that he was hitting.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this had all of the physicality
[UNKNOWN]: of like a prime, second-modal Okobayashi match, but packaged in a Japanese heavyweight epic main event style match that went 27 minutes.
[UNKNOWN]: This was an absolute masterclass of pro wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: And when you think about the history of KZ and the dream game belt now, foreign three quarter stars versus Bochuzuki,
[UNKNOWN]: four and three Carter four and three quarter stars versus POC, four and three quarter stars versus joy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I had that eight to match at three and three quarters and then four and three quarter star versus skywalker, four and three quarter stars versus Yomato.
[UNKNOWN]: And now I have this at four and three quarter stars versus Kakuta.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike, this is one of the 100 greatest wrestlers to ever live.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the volume in which this guy operates is at an absurd level.
[UNKNOWN]: I've got to look down, I'm going to throw it to you because I got to look this up.
[UNKNOWN]: I might have a KZ match in my match the your top 10 for every year for like the last nine years.
[UNKNOWN]: But your thoughts on, we can talk about KZ legacy in a second, but just the,
[UNKNOWN]: The impact in the violence that Kasey suffered in this match should it register with you as much as it did may?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, you have a, it starts with one of the ugliest looking back body drops to the edge of the apron and then a big boot on the apron that he takes immediately to the floor that that pile driver on the stage a sleeper swing a just one of the the cooler delayed elbow cell attacks that he did after a snap pile driver and really.
[UNKNOWN]: That was all the stuff that he took before he ate three rolling laryots and kicks out.
[UNKNOWN]: So he, it, this is on top of a legacy of the tombstone from the second rope against pack, mochazuki punching him in the gut a whole lot and how much that ruled.
[UNKNOWN]: The monkey flip from Skywalker.
[UNKNOWN]: This is someone that
[UNKNOWN]: whenever he's kind of been put into others, dream gate matches.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's fair to say that the Mochizuki match was a Misaki Mochizuki match.
[UNKNOWN]: At its heart, that was Misaki Mochizuki.
[UNKNOWN]: Having his style of a dream gate match with the right person and Casey proving that he was that right person.
[UNKNOWN]: The pack match was especially like nowadays, I think that that's like packs like big singles match style as we've seen in the seven year since then you kind of go down the list and he does everyone's match side the mattress is your motto is very much a motto style dream gate match You go down that list and you go to this match and
[UNKNOWN]: doesn't feel like a kukuta match even though I mean kukuta had his big bombs and had some of the more gnarly looking rolling a hip attacks and all of that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a KZ match at its heart and it feels very much like his thesis on like this is what I believe.
[UNKNOWN]: a dream gate match should be just in the same way that the Pac match and the Mocha Zuki matches were those champions, mines for those match.
[UNKNOWN]: This match felt not a cocoon match whatsoever.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a casing.
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was one of those were again.
[UNKNOWN]: As soon as I saw that back drop driver, where cocoon just throws him against the apron, I was like, oh, of course this is the
[UNKNOWN]: not in the Mochi match, not in the Swanky Neruki Doi match, not in the Swanky Atomatch.
[UNKNOWN]: Kazey almost had to die to get this title, and it makes sense, and it feels right.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was a Kazey match because Kazey was molded to death, and he came back and kept fighting.
[UNKNOWN]: He was mold again.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he came back and kept fighting some more, and then he got that win.
[UNKNOWN]: It was I was reading my 2021 Kobe World Review where you reviewed the second show with Skywalker versus Yamato.
[UNKNOWN]: I reviewed the first show with Skywalker versus KZ and I didn't remember this being my
[UNKNOWN]: angle at the time, but I was reading it back today, and I was talking about how in that match, like, had Casey not come to the brink of death, essentially.
[UNKNOWN]: Then it would have been a bad look for him, it would have been another dream gate loss.
[UNKNOWN]: Skywalker was going to have to put him in the ground in anything less than an extraordinary match that nearly led to the
[UNKNOWN]: would ultimately be a fault against Casey, and then they went out and had the perfect kind of match that they needed to have.
[UNKNOWN]: And they had that same style of match here, but with Casey coming out on top, a masterful job.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a Casey badge because Casey was nearly killed and that was an incredible thing to say.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then in the post match, KZ collects the belt he's been fighting for, uh, I mean, at the point that he, he surpassed Akashi as the most drinkies throughout this, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't go back and count them exactly, but I think this seventh offensive he would have lost, so he would have passed Akashi here.
[UNKNOWN]: but now he is drinkate champion.
[UNKNOWN]: It is his 20th anniversary year as well as it is Yamato.
[UNKNOWN]: So he remembers the last time the him and Yamato fought Yamato said, hey, we'll do this again, but next time it better be as you as champion and Yamato took him up on it and has decided to in the lead up to this match.
[UNKNOWN]: Every day on Twitter say one very, very cutting thing about
[UNKNOWN]: Casey and he has already commented on the fact that took Casey 20 years for something that took him three years and eight months and maybe the brave gate is the most important title in this company right now So we're off to the races with sassy amado
[UNKNOWN]: In terms of KZ's legacy, I just want to go back to the match to the earpoint that I knew previously.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have KZ matches in my top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: The first time he appears there is 2016 in the match that would lead to the disbandment of diea hearts that that three-way tag with Mods First Press for Zork and diea hearts.
[UNKNOWN]: This was two, four, 16 in Quark and Hall.
[UNKNOWN]: A match that was largely built around
[UNKNOWN]: KZ this is sort of his match it comes down to him and and Yama doya the end and it's just spectacular to see KZ involved in that sort of environment because he really turns the corner 2015 and I know a lot of people that have that.
[UNKNOWN]: was it kazy to zawa in February of 2015, because that's when to zawa wins the brave gay belt.
[UNKNOWN]: And a lot of people that there's that finish very well and voices of wrestling match the year that year, I did not have that on my top 10 though.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have a kz match at my top 10 in 2016.
[UNKNOWN]: I do not in 2017, but I'll circle back to that.
[UNKNOWN]: 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021.
[UNKNOWN]: I have kz matches at least one in my top 10, 2021, I have two because I not only have kz versus skywalker,
[UNKNOWN]: But I have KZ versus Menora from the King of Gate Finals that year.
[UNKNOWN]: 2022, I do not, 2023, I do not.
[UNKNOWN]: 2024, he's back in there.
[UNKNOWN]: 2025, he's got two matches in my top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: When I go back and look at 2017, I was looking now, okay, what's the best KZ match that year?
[UNKNOWN]: And it is a four and three quarter star match.
[UNKNOWN]: KZ, Hulk and Yamato versus Yoshino Doy and Jason Lee from Final Gate that year.
[UNKNOWN]: That's one of the best triangle gate matches in history.
[UNKNOWN]: If I had to do this over again, Mike, my number 10 match that year, and I remember this match, well, I I stand by loving it, but I would imagine in 2026, I was having somewhat recently watched that triangle gate match and having not watched this match since it occurred, Mike, my number
[UNKNOWN]: I was going to guess as soon as he said, hey, no, he was going to say, wait, you had the draw on your list.
[UNKNOWN]: I unfortunately didn't have the draw on my list.
[UNKNOWN]: I adore that match.
[UNKNOWN]: I was, I, I, I, I, I finished 93rd that year.
[UNKNOWN]: So I got other votes, but I, I was, I was in love with that match.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was, it was one of the greatest things.
[UNKNOWN]: But with 20, 26 eyes, my guess is that I would side with the triangle gate match that I had at four and three quarter stars.
[UNKNOWN]: I look at my match the year that year, my match the year voting that year, and I have two, I have three Drengeet matches in it.
[UNKNOWN]: I have the Jason Jagke versus D. Amante, shoot matches, my match the year, Ky versus, you coast good at very well, Mochizuki versus Yoshiyoka at the end of the year did very well.
[UNKNOWN]: I do not have either of the KZ matches that I had at four and three quarter stars in my top 10, the Ashita menor in Doi,
[UNKNOWN]: versus comic, kz and UT match from March of that year, the original gold class versus that era of vives or the kz versus skywalker rematch from King of eighth that year.
[UNKNOWN]: So in 2022 he does that a top 10 finish, but he does have two matches at four and three quarter stars and then when I look to 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: I ended up, I think, bumping him out.
[UNKNOWN]: This is probably his weakest in-ring year because I only have a pair of four and a half star matches there.
[UNKNOWN]: I have that super-underrated Shimizu and Kazi versus Bochizuki and Bochizuki Jr. Twingate match.
[UNKNOWN]: And then that Riyoya Tanaka decurage eight-man debut.
[UNKNOWN]: I have those as his best matches that year.
[UNKNOWN]: So realistically, my point here is that since 2016,
[UNKNOWN]: The only year that KZ really feels out of place in any sort of match that you're voting is 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's not a nine year run where this match, I expect to do very well.
[UNKNOWN]: I know it'll be a my top 10, probably in my top five, maybe in my top three.
[UNKNOWN]: This is now a decade long run where Casey is consistently in the mix for some of the best matches in the entire year.
[UNKNOWN]: And we talked about this when we did greatest wrestler ever, I understand that it's hard to compare a guy like Ken to me a horror who has been the face of this air of all Japan for a wrestling with Casey who is a perennial underdog, a lovable loser, somebody who is just now getting his first stream gate run.
[UNKNOWN]: I kinda think Casey is...
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, I think he has a sizable lead over meohara.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's not to say that maybe on his best day, meohara doesn't peak higher than KZ, but I would push back greatly and I would push back swiftly if somebody is scoffing at that comparison.
[UNKNOWN]: I think KZ has had a better in-ring career than Kental Meohara.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think we have a chance with this dream gate reign for KZ to only widen that gap a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I feel like with me O'Hara, it's he's kind of hurt because he is the person that you point to as like the star in that era and it's not necessarily the most fair kind of thing for someone trying to develop a full catalog to a level that you could you would get if you get to be in the dragon system.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like, I can't think of who would you say me or her as great tag runs are?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he says.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the thing is that some Kings you not only has the singles resume, which hey, just if you want to throw, just throw the Dringate matches in there, forget anything else that he's done.
[UNKNOWN]: And then give you the laundry list of the non-title brilliant, crazy singles matches.
[UNKNOWN]: But.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: he's got great tag rods.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'm trying to think that because I'm going to draw a blank on, of course, anything that he's done, you know, as a as a tag team wrestler, but he's got the flea to twin gate reign, which I really liked.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got that UT Ryuku dragon tag team run that I really like.
[UNKNOWN]: She had.
[UNKNOWN]: The Shimazoo stuff that I really enjoyed.
[UNKNOWN]: And on the whole, like this is just a really strong tag rest, or he's got the, it's BB Hulk and KZ, against Shima and Dragon Kid, that twin-gate challenge from 2017, that's excellent.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we're on a point where KZ, I think, has become
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we'll see what happens with comment and read today, but they surpass him here, but I think Casey has become maybe the most accomplished in ring triangle gate wrestler there is I mean there's just a number of Absolutely phenomenal high in match the year level triangle gate matches that have been rallied around KZ.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I'm totally with you on that and it's it's going to be fascinating to see where this tile run exactly goes like Yamato is the first stop at Yamato so very easily could be the last stop zero key for him, but you also like look at the end of the year and everything and boy don't I think that they would like to be able to do like a
[UNKNOWN]: KZ, not a dream gate match in Hokkaido at the end of the year, but boy would have make a lot of sense that they would like to have KZ being champion at that point.
[UNKNOWN]: That happens.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you have like a completely open dance card.
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I think that one of the reasons why we're so positive coming out of this, and especially like less Casey is champion, the one thing we fear did not happen.
[UNKNOWN]: Strommishing Jay did not immediately turn on him, even though he suffered a loss earlier that night.
[UNKNOWN]: And with that, you know that he's not going to be tied up in kind of God's adokero stuff if that was the route that we were speculating.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the thing with KZ is, you know, let's get this Yamato match out of the way, which I, I guess I understand, I think I wish it was coming a little bit later in the run, but all right, you want to do the Yamato match now, let's get him a loving peace challenger, let's get him a coachman or a stopgap defense if we have to, let's get him, you know, whether it's Monte.
[UNKNOWN]: Or whether it's Cello, let's get him one of those unafiliated defenses, and then we can start to circle back around to Gasha do a crow.
[UNKNOWN]: And ideally, I think it'll be Eastern or Cato getting that first challenge if they go with the heels there.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's a lot of...
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of untapped footage over here.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of fresh matches with KZ and I think they've stumbled into something whether it's a long-term ran or whether it's a short-term ran.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think he should beat Yamada with him from there.
[UNKNOWN]: It's anybody's ballgame.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're exactly right.
[UNKNOWN]: It would not shock if he's holding the title through December just to get to that Hakido triple shot.
[UNKNOWN]: And it wouldn't shock me if they do KZ versus hope for the dreamgate in Hakido on that third night.
[UNKNOWN]: That feels like that's implied.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's the only way I feel like you could have a whole title match.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, God.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't accept anything else, but if versus down as I am on Hulk at 2026, if they did KZ versus Hulk and Hokkaido for the Dreamgate belt, I'd throw my hands up and go, all right, I get it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to complain too much about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it's it's interesting in it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that in a promotion where the drink gate kind of has dictated a lot of momentum amongst the promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of a clean slate with KZ I mean we know where he's going to next we don't know when it is exactly I mean
[UNKNOWN]: get sort of screw up a new dreamgate champion.
[UNKNOWN]: KZ not that risk.
[UNKNOWN]: No, KZ is not at risk for that.
[UNKNOWN]: It gives everybody some breathing room.
[UNKNOWN]: You can set up future challengers that way.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the timing of this works out nice.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the first time since Kucho won the title 11 months ago that I like what's going on with a dream get belt.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm very into this.
[UNKNOWN]: The semi-man event of Kobe World was the open
[UNKNOWN]: uh... really at tenaka was going for his 12th record breaking defense of the open the break gate title against humaret and low and behold uh... this was something that we we all thought that this was kind of the ninety nine ninety five percent five percent match over the show that it felt at least to me that tenaka was destined to break the record here and he was able to do so and
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe not the top match of his reign, but I think I'm higher on it than you.
[UNKNOWN]: I thoroughly love this match.
[UNKNOWN]: Tanaka gets feet 12 with his avalanche crimson smash into the Stardust Press, and afterwards does the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: invites homari into Tanaka gun.
[UNKNOWN]: We get a thumbs down but then a handshake and hug and Tanaka's unit exits Kobe world with their third member and Tanaka as the all-time at least in a single run greatest brave gate champion.
[UNKNOWN]: They nailed it, you know, and I continue to say this and I said there's a bunch of different people this week, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: For all of the faults of a drain gate over the last 12 months, and especially all the faults of a drain gate over the last six months, the handling of Rio Tonaca and the handling of the brave gate belt.
[UNKNOWN]: is just absolutely fantastic.
[UNKNOWN]: And I felt like this match was hot.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the third year in a row now that I feel like the brave gate title has been really, really hot heading into world, which is great, you know, two years ago, it was Hio versus Dragon Dia and the match that we all sort of recognize is a little bit of a brave gate rebirth and a little bit of a,
[UNKNOWN]: of a like, hey, this feels right.
[UNKNOWN]: We sort of got out of the muck with whatever was happening with the Brave Gate belt.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of the bigger matches on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And then last year, it's an Octaversa's UT which took place on the undercard, but.
[UNKNOWN]: I really love that match and I think we would all all really love that match if the finish wasn't screwed up with that poor start us press, but that match felt really big because we knew it was the birth of something with Tanaka and I don't think any of us imagined that a year from that match that Tanaka would be semi-main event in Kobe world in one of the hotter more anticipated matches on the show.
[UNKNOWN]: But Mike, by the time we got there, it just felt right, and I continued to maintain that.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Tanaka should lose this Brave Gate belt.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll throw a potential snag in that plan at you in just a minute.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think he should keep winning until he wins the Dream Gate belt.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I think he should vacate the Brave Gate belt from there.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm at a point where I'm not sure that Tanaka needs to lose this title ever.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it just seems like that the belt was made to be around his roleways.
[UNKNOWN]: The one thing they need to do is they need to fix the title belts a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: I noticed the side plates go down on both the twin gate and the brave gate and at least it it would have bugged me.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be interesting to see it what the photos kind of come out and like the the souvenir ones because one of the side plates on the brave gate was broken during like all the
[UNKNOWN]: He's the perfect dragon gate wrestler he was made in a lab and in the three years since he debuted he has very rarely that that one star does press might be the only time that a really Tanaka took a step in the wrong direction as a wrestler and I just the the thing that got me in this match was that you really had
[UNKNOWN]: You really had to knock a, basically, pull Humari through this, because I felt like that there were moments, and especially in the middle portions, that things got a little bit sloppy with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was surprised that the level of command from Tanaka to get them kind of back on course, nothing got too far off track, but you could tell that things were just going a little fast and not
[UNKNOWN]: You just really had him, you had Humari just keep on trying to find ways to prevent the the Stardust press trying to go up top for moves that ended up biting him in the rear doing a spot as Spanish fly.
[UNKNOWN]: into the cross-saber near fall and then a avalanche cross-saber into that Sardis press.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not the best match of his run, the Doid match.
[UNKNOWN]: Still, still might be my Dragon Gate match of the year.
[UNKNOWN]: Be quite honest.
[UNKNOWN]: But I came away with this with a new level of respect for Tanaka as this brave gate captain.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it looks like next up for him is going to be Dragon Kid for V13.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know,
[UNKNOWN]: Although it's dragon kid that there's not really a risk there for him to have to drop the belt there and as we keep on kind of talking about with him, I'm completely on board with you.
[UNKNOWN]: He should help the belt until he wins the drinkate at this point because I don't know that you've booked him so well that he's in such a strong position that it would have to take someone being in the exact right scenario to take the belt from him anytime soon and it just feels like
[UNKNOWN]: There is now like this such a clear distance in the brave gate that as much as I enjoyed the Ishida and Kakura stuff where that that felt like that the where the promotion was hot in 2020 and 2021
[UNKNOWN]: This is the hottest of the brave gate has really ever been.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, you can trust that with the pack of run, which there was so many great defenses in the 11 that he had in the feud with Ricochet throughout it.
[UNKNOWN]: But at no point, I feel like that the brave gate has been at the height that it was.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is a historically significant brave gate run.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I think, I mean, look, let me put it this way.
[UNKNOWN]: Flamita was never gonna go second from the top at Kobe World in the Bravegate match.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, pop, pop, pop, while Bravegate champion went second from the top in 2011 to that felt right.
[UNKNOWN]: And it feels like Tanaka is about at that point on the roster where pop was, is that firmly cemented not a main eventer,
[UNKNOWN]: But an upper midcard if we're going to break it down from that perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean he has the level of cash and the level of pole that pocket in 2011, but That's the last time.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is a much bigger deal in Tanaka's a much bigger star than Kaito Ashita was during that rain.
[UNKNOWN]: And we love the Kaito Ashita stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not a knock on him.
[UNKNOWN]: But this lapsed, I mean, this is a separate conversation about the importance of the brave gate title and what it means to the company, the sheet of thing was a fun midcard thing and I thought they did some really interesting things and I liked a lot of those matches, but this Tanaka thing, I mean, look, this was an audition for the future Kobe World main event and I thought Humari was there and I thought Tanaka passed with flying colors.
[UNKNOWN]: But this, they were, they were putting this match on this show in this spot so that five years from now, it could be the last thing that goes on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I mean, again, for Hormara, like giving him his credit here, still 21 years old.
[UNKNOWN]: Still 21 years old.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, unless it has not crossed his 30th anniversary yet, he's still in his second year for a wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, there's two ways to look at this match.
[UNKNOWN]: The analysis of, you know, if we're looking at, you know, if we're looking at it like a shoot where I do think Tanaka was carrying Humor a pretty heavily in this match and I think that happened in the June mass of Oca defense, I think that happened in the real food of defense.
[UNKNOWN]: I weirdly think that happened to the Ginkie horror Gucci defense.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it happened in the second U.T.
[UNKNOWN]: defense or, you know, I guess the first U.T.
[UNKNOWN]: defense, but not the Kobe World match with the Golden Coliseum match, where U.T.
[UNKNOWN]: came into a pretty banged up.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're seeing now that Tanaka can carry guys to great matches from a k-fa perspective.
[UNKNOWN]: It was very clear that Hommari was just not on the level of Tanaka and for two young wrestlers of a similar weight and a similar frame, who are going to always be compared to one another,
[UNKNOWN]: They made it very clear that Tanaka currently is a wrong above homari especially the second half of this match this was to knock a string together moves consistently having a clear plan and executing his offense at a high level.
[UNKNOWN]: it was Omar going for flash pins and emergency super kicks in anything that he could possibly do just to stay alive for a second and I really liked the story of that match where Omar was desperate and to not get came with a plan it was calculated throughout the entire match.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and the composure of Tanaka during the the moments that this match could have really gone off course, like that was a level of composure that I mean, dare I say, Sioshino a husk like the very fair comparison, I do not think that's outrageous.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that, and it's in a way not fair to Tanaka because I feel like that really, if we were to have the conversation about the Brave Gate title now, Tanaka is someone that has to be at the front of the conversation here and being compared to someone who was seen as the Brave Gate ultimate champion for having six title runs is not necessarily
[UNKNOWN]: the precision, the accuracy like like the sheer command and and at a point now three years into his career where he only has points where it's not like that we ever fail him on anything.
[UNKNOWN]: We might take off a couple of points.
[UNKNOWN]: We still getting aze on everything.
[UNKNOWN]: He's that I'm not just of a suit that he is that perfect tracking gate wrestler that of course, if you develop a
[UNKNOWN]: really feel like real Yatsunaka is that.
[UNKNOWN]: The thing, one of the things that you were taking you would put into them is the composure, precision, and command that you would get from Masato Yoshino, and Tanaka is the one person who's come by.
[UNKNOWN]: in the 27 years of the dragon system that I feel like comes close to that aspect of professional wrestling that I felt like Yoshino was the best at for the 20 years that he was wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: In terms of this rain, I like the Kame match more.
[UNKNOWN]: I like the Fleme to match more.
[UNKNOWN]: I like the Billykin kid match more.
[UNKNOWN]: I like the Rita match more.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't rate the six minute UT match from Golden Colosseum higher than this, but I do love what they did in that match.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I think the Doi match is the high point of this rain.
[UNKNOWN]: So this Hommari match four stars.
[UNKNOWN]: And it falls right in the middle.
[UNKNOWN]: Of what Tanaka's done, you know, I gave the same reading rating to the Jason Lee match.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have this one just a hero up above that Jason match.
[UNKNOWN]: It's better than what he did against Ganky.
[UNKNOWN]: It's better than what he did against Fuda.
[UNKNOWN]: It's better than what he did against Mochi and it's better than what he did against Masuoka.
[UNKNOWN]: It's incredible that a year into this reign.
[UNKNOWN]: And I talked about this when he had that singles match against Oracle.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a non-title match, but I thought it was important.
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought it was cool that he had it during this brave gate run.
[UNKNOWN]: We're just having all of these different matches.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this was way different than what he getting it, what he did against Doy, which was way different than what he did against UT, which was way different than the heel heavy match against Jason Lee.
[UNKNOWN]: That was way different than Billy Kinkin, which was way different from Fulmito, which was way different from Kameh.
[UNKNOWN]: The Mosuzuki match, they tried and failed, but they did try something different there.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's why I feel like there are so many more legs still left in this rain.
[UNKNOWN]: If you just go without rematches, because God forbid we have a title reign with some rematches on this company, but if you just wanted fresh matches, you still have the Gucci match, you have a Cagatore match, you're going to do the Dragon Kid match, if you wanted it really weird, and I would love to see this, but you've got us assuming your co-scamatch that you could do if you really wanted to, you've got Mochizuki Jr., you've got Heo,
[UNKNOWN]: And you've got zero as the guys that are brave gate weight that he hasn't wrestled yet now I'm of the belief I share this a minute ago that you know he should he should just hold on this title until he wins the dream gate belt with one caveat Mike and I don't see the company doing this.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think this is going to happen, but we've talked in the past.
[UNKNOWN]: And when we, especially when we thought that this might be a dragon, kid match a world, you know, I was really talking about how whoever beats Tanaka is going to have to be in the position to get one hell of a rub from it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's why I don't like the idea of heo beating Tanaka if they decide to go that route because heo does not need to be Tanaka.
[UNKNOWN]: You need to establish somebody if you're going to in this
[UNKNOWN]: The only person that I'm really interested in beating Tanaka if you're going to remove, say, Kame from the equation or reach out from the equation is if this company wanted to actually build up and get behind a Gucci versus Tanaka match, that's the type of guy that could benefit from beating Tanaka, and specifically
[UNKNOWN]: given his old character, given the history of that man, Gucci vs. Tanaka and Cork and Hall with Gucci winning could go down and I see this without hyperbole as one of the great moments in the company history if everything went right.
[UNKNOWN]: That's really the only thing that I'm interested in seeing Tanaka do, or the only person I'm interested in seeing Tanaka lose to at this point in time.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I mean, he's the one person that I feel like is kind of staged in this that I mean, he's not going to be trying to target champion, it feels like anytime soon, or at least that natural lives are going to be up for the triangle gate or twin gate that
[UNKNOWN]: he feels like that he could be the one that if the position was right and I mean looking at the cork and especially the way that I mean not to go completely a schedule hopping at this point that man.
[UNKNOWN]: After the Oda Ward and Sendai three weeks later, it does feel like that, not even three weeks later, sorry, eight days later.
[UNKNOWN]: It's three shows later.
[UNKNOWN]: It does feel like that the rest of the calendar year is kind of open in a way that boy, you're going to have to be doing some cork and title matches and it feels like that he would be a person that really
[UNKNOWN]: that that feels like it could be of the moment to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's no one else at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's just the toughness of Tanaka having a run like this that there's just, you know, unless you're revisiting people at this point, there's not the exit ramps that the dream gate had.
[UNKNOWN]: The stakes are very high to get the title off of him in the right way.
[UNKNOWN]: And again, you know, there's no reason they can't go back to comedy.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no reason that they can't go back to
[UNKNOWN]: There's no reason that they can't go back to Jason if they really, really wanted to.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think the exit of ramp if there is one is Gucci.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that guy has the right energy.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the right type of character.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the guy at the right moment in his career.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the type of guy that benefits from this.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're beating Tanaka.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mentioned
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I was just astounded again at how over he was on this show and it's imagine they have it done yet, you know, to knock a versus he'll would be a huge match, but I feel like they've positioned it to where to knock a should be a bigger star than he'll.
[UNKNOWN]: and heo win it just it doesn't it's not the same it's not the same thing it doesn't have the right energy to does that make sense if I if I does that you're getting what I'm saying that heo ending this rain is just not it's not the spirit of this title run no and I feel like that heo
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, where I want to see heo in 2026 and in 2027, it's not messing around with this belt anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, no, I want to see heo have a title match at Corkham, but I want to be for the Dream Gate belt.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's just like I right now have up the brave gate website that's on gay aura.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, heo has been champion.
[UNKNOWN]: He has been brave gate champion twice.
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, he was the 45th champion.
[UNKNOWN]: We're at the 55th champion.
[UNKNOWN]: And with his trajectory and popularity, it is just not a good fit and less like he immediately like throws down the bells and goes like, hey, I'm going for the the dream gate right now no one's going to get anything out of that.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like it then it's like why take the belt off and begin with.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just, it just does not make a lot of sense to me that he owes the player.
[UNKNOWN]: So I mean, we're talking about someone in heo that was Brave Gate Champion four full years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: It just doesn't feel like that.
[UNKNOWN]: It's he has, it's not like heo, she ain't no coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like Dragoncake coming back.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not elevating anybody in the spot.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's the simplest way to put it to that for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're not elevating you.
[UNKNOWN]: You're elevating Gucci.
[UNKNOWN]: And I will table our thoughts on him until the triangle game match.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm all for any sort of Gucci elevation.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he owned this point.
[UNKNOWN]: Bravegate match was excellent.
[UNKNOWN]: Four stars from me.
[UNKNOWN]: You said you were four and a half on it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think it was because how much I love the closing stretch of it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is great.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I can't believe they did the Avalanche Cross Saber as well as they did.
[UNKNOWN]: that looked insane.
[UNKNOWN]: It was awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: They nailed it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we had the issue with the Stardust press last year.
[UNKNOWN]: And this year, they come back and they do avalanche cross Saber into a Stardust press.
[UNKNOWN]: And he hits both of them perfectly.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: The twin gate was our comeback from Intermission, title match, Team 204, Yoshiki Kato, and Eshen making their first defense against the new unit.
[UNKNOWN]: Zena spelled X E N I Kappa less, Kappa less.
[UNKNOWN]: And it seemed to afford making their successful defense after some Gajadokoro bullshed, a misattack roll-up after the as their second kind of Gajadokoro batch of interference.
[UNKNOWN]: They tricked me on this one case because right as it looked like that we were getting Terminator mode,
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a massive mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: I do not like this finish at all.
[UNKNOWN]: It did not sit right with me.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought this was the best built match on this show and the run up to it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought the result was so obvious here that it should be Yoshiyoka and Manor going over.
[UNKNOWN]: I was really put off by the reason.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was in the finish, not the in-reaction.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually really liked the finishing stretch of this match.
[UNKNOWN]: I was so put off by the result of this.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't understand this in any way.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it's done, and I guess it would have been too good to have a major show with no God to dokuro kind of interference in that fashion
[UNKNOWN]: Zenef works.
[UNKNOWN]: Yoshiyoka and Menor, they found the right guy to be with each other to go on a tag run to do the recycling that Kakuta is about to go on like doing really what is the best thing for them at this station of their career and you could have had this really hot tag team when in
[UNKNOWN]: uh, I mean, cut the manure of might have been the most popular person in this building outside of the moments of KZ winning the dream gate.
[UNKNOWN]: And just feels like a big mess, and it was such a disappointing thing that the match for me, I was like trending like, okay, maybe we're going to be in a scenario where we're getting four title matches, four four star matches.
[UNKNOWN]: That's an eight on.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the best case scenario on our expectation and enthusiasm scale coming out of Kobe world, but the finish in this match knocked it down a full point for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it's a shame because the issue was great in this ligation and worked really well with.
[UNKNOWN]: Both Yoshioca and Minora on this, but it's just the dumbest finish and like the wrong champion, the wrong team won and now team 2-4 will go into Ray Day per a process to engage champions.
[UNKNOWN]: So, I meant like I don't even hate the finish in terms of the actual work of it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was at least boom, boom, boom, boom.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say, you just think for as much as I've complained about, you know, referee interference spots and all the gosh, I don't grow cheating in the way that it's weighed down matches this year.
[UNKNOWN]: I actually thought this match got better once that started once Kai made his presence felt and once Jason Lee made his presence felt and once you started doing the powder and the mist, I was into all of that.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought all of that was done exceptionally well in this match.
[UNKNOWN]: So that did not bother me.
[UNKNOWN]: But this match needed to end with a high-fly flow, because the problem is that now, we go into Rayday Praha's where either this whole tournament is going to be built around Zenith trying to get their win back, which is the most boring result possible, or Zenith don't get their win back.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they just look stupid.
[UNKNOWN]: There's so many problems could be solved by them winning the titles and this tournament setting up their first challenges because that could be Eastern and Kato, but that also could be anybody else.
[UNKNOWN]: And instead now I'm just going to be under the assumption that in September when we get to the finals in Corkin, that Yoshio Komenor are going to be there, that they're going to win, and that wherever they decide to have that rematch from the twin gate belts, they'll have it there, but now we're
[UNKNOWN]: were months beyond the momentum that's been captured by this unit forming and the branding of this unit and the color scheme I might hate the name, but at least like the colors.
[UNKNOWN]: We're past all of that now.
[UNKNOWN]: There were times throughout history where Drengeid has beat new units in their debut.
[UNKNOWN]: And while I, I very rarely ever agree with the idea, I can see the forest through the trees and I can see the long-term plan that's at stake there.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not one of those.
[UNKNOWN]: This was built for a reason.
[UNKNOWN]: This was built to a point where wrestling logic should tell you to get the twin gate belt on these guys while they're hot.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't want to see them have to go through a tournament just to get back to where they were.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought this was a massive mistake.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and then what do you do if they lose that tournament?
[UNKNOWN]: Like in a way, I guess that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I think that actually kind of takes the pressure off of everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the bigger issue is, hey, what if what if this just builds for another rematch, it's not going to be as hot as this match was?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it just in a way, now I look at Ray
[UNKNOWN]: I, it, it does kind of feel like they're kind of punting the ball down the field and going, like, oh, we're going to get the bigger response later.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't think the bigger response is going to come later.
[UNKNOWN]: No, Mike, so you know, let's say,
[UNKNOWN]: And we don't have the full rate a peri house blocks yet.
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny because Mike doesn't know anybody in rate a peri house.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to tell him in just a second, but I'm doing zenith senate our zenith and rate a peri house at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: They were the first team announced yes.
[UNKNOWN]: So thank god.
[UNKNOWN]: So let's just say
[UNKNOWN]: That match is going to be infinitely hotter than it was at Golden Coliseum because we now know what those two teams are capable of and they had one of the best matches of 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: The problem is that if Yoshiyoka and Minora and Ishen and Kato get back in the ring,
[UNKNOWN]: It's not going to be as hot as this match was because this was a very middling twin game match for the most part.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought both teams individually put forth good performances, but this just wasn't a super special match.
[UNKNOWN]: This was a match that existed.
[UNKNOWN]: the best thing I can say about it is a match that existed three and a quarter stars.
[UNKNOWN]: I like the finishing stretch with all the commotion, but this was not a great match.
[UNKNOWN]: And so the next time these two teams are in the ring with one another, I'm going to have a very specific ceiling that I think they could reach, and it's much lower than the ceiling that I came into this match with.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, no, I'll agree with you on this.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that I was three and a half on it.
[UNKNOWN]: I really got sucked in by Yuki Oshio.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, he still has that ability case that he can't turn it on all the time, but like he did it enough that
[UNKNOWN]: God, I thought that he was about to do the battle hook and then immediately hop on the top rope and and just squish, Asian and then I'll be like, hey, hey my favorite guys back look at him, but no, that's not going to happen and I just don't feel like that this is.
[UNKNOWN]: The Xenia team could probably be pretty well exposed by the in every day per a house on where they are in this pecking order of this promotion and they have a chance to have an all-star tag team that they could They could use at the box office like that's why it's so tough for emotions and stuff being the representative of what dragon gate isn't 2026 Xenia should be that
[UNKNOWN]: It's so, so strange in for as much as I like Asian and Kato.
[UNKNOWN]: And you know, we are thoughts on Asian or well-known.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not even sure Kato is a great wrestler, but I love that guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I just like watching him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he does a few things exceptionally well.
[UNKNOWN]: His collapsing layer is my favorite layer in wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: It's great.
[UNKNOWN]: There's just a few things that he does that I'm really into, but
[UNKNOWN]: We've seen that team has been in constant spotlight since January of this year, really going back to December of last year.
[UNKNOWN]: We've seen what they can do.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're a good tag team.
[UNKNOWN]: They're not a great tag team.
[UNKNOWN]: Dring it has, has maximized what they can do as a team.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think, and the same with, you know, when coming into retail lost the belts, we were like, God, it feels like there was more to that rain.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish they would have been champions a little bit longer.
[UNKNOWN]: between all of the all Asia stuff and now this twin gates stuff that you should encounter have been a part of this year.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like I ain't seen enough of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, I don't really need to see them go through Rade Day Paray House as 20 champions.
[UNKNOWN]: Quite honestly, I would have liked for them to have lost this match and then to either have done, you know, Asian and Kukuta and Kato and Jason or Kato and Kai and Jason and Asian.
[UNKNOWN]: I would have liked to have seen them split up for Rade Day Paray House.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that would have been interesting, but now we're just stuck with these guys as champions.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's a mistake because I think you should encounter individually our far more entertaining than this tag team has allowed them to be.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I feel like the issue of kato's that he's always had the cell of thing kind of looming over and at least to me I like so much of when the promotion is in its right place and everything kind of making sense and maybe that's one of the reasons why I'm so
[UNKNOWN]: In general, this team to a 14, like we have to treat them as a big deal, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, for a brief time period, they were triple crown tag team champions in.
[UNKNOWN]: it is a hard thing not to overlook like the fact those kind of accomplishments and the fact that the belts have kind of been that they have been one of the tag teams that you would kind of go with like who's the tag team of the year in Dragon Gate and in a way you have to do the the match work versus accomplishment conversation with them versus Jackie Rita and it but like
[UNKNOWN]: It just always feels like that Kato should be doing should be taken care of something else in this tag team is kind of getting in a way of that The tag team is a little beneath them, which is funny because they're 28 champions, but I feel like they're both capable of way more
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think that just got to do grows in a really weird spot now down to five, because you know, I mean, you, what other tag team are going to have come out of there.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, we talked about Cacuda and Jason being like a fun thing, but I mean,
[UNKNOWN]: It kind of feels like they're stuck in the slot because they need to have a tag team in this and now that Minoli is done in dust.
[UNKNOWN]: They're going to stick with team to a four when it feels like as you said like they should be doing something much more than that Yeah, but it's on because you've got the belt off of coco to so that opens up again Whether it's coco to Jason coco to Kai coco to Kato Like the there's plenty the they could have refreshed the heel tag team
[UNKNOWN]: based on the coco to result, too.
[UNKNOWN]: This match felt spiritually very dragon gate 2026, which is a huge insult.
[UNKNOWN]: The rest of this show, greener pastures ahead, silver lining.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like we were moving in the right direction, but this had that head scratching booking that I just don't get, because you can use Yoshiyoka menor as something,
[UNKNOWN]: So much more than what you can out of Eastern and Kato and again, you could build the tag League around.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, it's an open field.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a new era of the twin gate division.
[UNKNOWN]: Anybody could win this tournament and wrestle these guys.
[UNKNOWN]: And by the way, they're going to be in the tournament as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And it just didn't happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's so strange.
[UNKNOWN]: So I would almost at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: rather than try to immediately rehab this image and go right back to where we started and come full circle with Yoshioka, Menura, winning this tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I'd rather them get balanced in the semis.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they'll do well in the tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: But I don't want to see them in the finals.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they've got to lose via rollup in the semis.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the slates cleared and then we can go from there.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's the way they have to get out of it now.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think I'm on board with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm with you on that.
[UNKNOWN]: But we had rated Praha's being announced before that.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank God, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: Team 204 will be entering this tournament as champions.
[UNKNOWN]: If they don't, like, you know, do the thing where it's going to be Eastern in Kakura and Kato and Jason.
[UNKNOWN]: Which honestly I'd be fine with.
[UNKNOWN]: I would be fine if finished for the sake of this tournament they wanted to do a refresh.
[UNKNOWN]: It wouldn't really make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: It would be a hard thing to defend logically.
[UNKNOWN]: So I really don't know anything about this tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so they're doing daily announcements on the drinky social media.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how many teams are in it, maybe 12.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's two blocks of six teams.
[UNKNOWN]: And so as of this recording time, we're doing this Wednesday evening as Dynamite is going on, which do you have, have you had Dynamite on the background?
[UNKNOWN]: Buddy, it is still 76 degrees in my office.
[UNKNOWN]: I am not having anything on in here other than the computer.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want anything throwing out feet right now.
[UNKNOWN]: The match, the show kicked off with Darby versus Kevin Knight.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it bled right into Ocata and Fletcher versus Bandito and Brody King.
[UNKNOWN]: And both of those matches and the angles that sort of, they did, you know, a Hayman special with them.
[UNKNOWN]: Both of those matches and the angles that surrounded them.
[UNKNOWN]: absolutely superb.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know people aren't super high on this redemption card, but I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Bandito versus Fletcher is a paperview draw match for me.
[UNKNOWN]: They could put nothing else on that show that I care about and I would be fully in buying that show because I want to see that match so badly.
[UNKNOWN]: So, recommend it there.
[UNKNOWN]: As for the rate A perihouse lineup, we currently have two teams
[UNKNOWN]: and two teams in the beat block.
[UNKNOWN]: You noted earlier, you're like, all right, I would imagine Zina Thusnet, that's Yoshioca and Minora.
[UNKNOWN]: They are in the B-block.
[UNKNOWN]: Would you like to take in the other guesses as to the three other teams that I've been announced so far?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm gonna assume Jackie Rita got announced.
[UNKNOWN]: Jackie Rita got announced today.
[UNKNOWN]: They are in the A-block, so they are in the opposite block of Yoshioca and Minora.
[UNKNOWN]: Then mochi Fuji get announced.
[UNKNOWN]: Mochi Fuji as of now has not been announced.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So natural vibes now you have the situation of just KZ as champion.
[UNKNOWN]: So you're not really tied up with it.
[UNKNOWN]: You have a lot of combos there.
[UNKNOWN]: Do kind of feel like they'll do young vibes.
[UNKNOWN]: They are doing young vibes, that doesn't need B-block.
[UNKNOWN]: So right now the B-block is Yoshioka Minora and Gucci and Aki.
[UNKNOWN]: Which I was a little surprised by.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought they might do Gucci and Gucci and Strong Machine J and Aki or KZ and one of those combinations, but they are doing young vibes.
[UNKNOWN]: So I hope that we get Yoshioka Minora versus Gucci and Aki on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that'd be very fun.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'll go over the TV schedule here momentarily.
[UNKNOWN]: But...
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh, I feel like Oki might have been either dealing with an injury or is taking like it that they're so enamored with maybe where Gucci's at that Oki kind of got left behind over the last few months.
[UNKNOWN]: So I say this with love to Oki, that's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: If this company is enamored with Gucci, I am all for that.
[UNKNOWN]: And I support that one million percent.
[UNKNOWN]: They can continue to be enamored with him.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, I'm not totally concerned.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, hey, one of them was in a title match, one of them was in the opener.
[UNKNOWN]: I have no clue what this fourth team is.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, I'm going to give you a hint, just because I want to hear your gas based on this.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a core dragon gate wrestler, regular roster member, teaming with an outsider.
[UNKNOWN]: Is heo getting like Ishamorian from New Japan?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'd be sick.
[UNKNOWN]: That would be sick as of right now that is not what is announced.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I need to have the fucking book because I'm all for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm all that be deranged one.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it's not heows not with someone from New Japan though.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not heows.
[UNKNOWN]: It is not heows with somebody from New Japan.
[UNKNOWN]: You motto is someone who usually has an outsider, I feel like, or be willing to outside or things don't know who the outsider would be the team with you motto, trying to think of other core people.
[UNKNOWN]: Take a look at that roster page.
[UNKNOWN]: I want you to get this, I want you to come to the, your own realization that this is what we're getting in Ray Day for a house.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, like, I'm thinking core roster members and like going through like the calculus with it, like Monte having a, if they have like a wrestler from Mexico wrestling, if Monte makes a lot of sense.
[UNKNOWN]: That would require them to care about Monte.
[UNKNOWN]: So unfortunately, that's not it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, the unit that I'm like looking at and going surely they would just do three teams of because you already have one of them and then do like KZ and Flamita and UT and SMJ, but like okay, okay, like where you're going with this
[UNKNOWN]: The person that like, I'm assuming that the people that have been working with outsiders are not working with outsiders.
[UNKNOWN]: So the way that you answered about Monte means homeeta is not this person is as a jay teaming with an outsider.
[UNKNOWN]: Mike, you're red hot.
[UNKNOWN]: Who was strong with you, Jay teaming with?
[UNKNOWN]: I want you to, I want you to figure this out in your own.
[UNKNOWN]: I would be so fucking excited if you get this.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, who would strong machine change in and I'm going to set it up by the way, I would say so they brought ready for a house back and right when they bring it back 2023.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because that was Kukuta and Yoshiyoka of all teams.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was the fun Yoshijikato Kaito Nagano team.
[UNKNOWN]: That was the most super easy task.
[UNKNOWN]: So 2023 and 2024, Ray Day Prairie House was my favorite thing.
[UNKNOWN]: They did in the promotion.
[UNKNOWN]: I felt like it was the high mark of wrestling in this promotion throughout the year.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Drain Gate Tag Team.
[UNKNOWN]: Ashes Ray Day Prairie House was a great tag team turn with those years.
[UNKNOWN]: And now strong machine Jay is team with an outsider.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and like the thing with this is, if this was the promotion four years ago, we're like, okay, someone's coming in as a strong machine.
[UNKNOWN]: That's clearly not what's happening.
[UNKNOWN]: What's happening?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: SMJ, I'm thinking about when he has worked with the outside and what has the outside or things have been.
[UNKNOWN]: You're getting there.
[UNKNOWN]: There is one name that is ringing in my head because of his dad.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's that's summy food genami.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think food genami is working this.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.
[UNKNOWN]: Is it fucking liona?
[UNKNOWN]: Ah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
[UNKNOWN]: You saw the synapses in my head.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was a little exciting radio.
[UNKNOWN]: I produced in 2026 I produced it for a living.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't believe it's Leona.
[UNKNOWN]: Like like that was the first team they announced that was the first announcement That was a they went with that
[UNKNOWN]: case they can't lead off of Leona.
[UNKNOWN]: That's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: They had that yesterday.
[UNKNOWN]: They were like we're doing we're doing Yoshiyoka manure.
[UNKNOWN]: We're also doing strong machine Jane Lillio and Leona.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I got I love that so much.
[UNKNOWN]: That was so much fun.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just what Foochan on me, like said that he would do for doing that all these to tag match.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately, I'm such a Mark for Foochan on me that I think if I had the pencil, I would also book Leon.
[UNKNOWN]: It's my weakness.
[UNKNOWN]: I recognize and it's just like if Ted's to be Foochan on me to do something, I would do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was fun.
[UNKNOWN]: That was so much fun.
[UNKNOWN]: The roster member, the hint about the main line roster member was the thing that kind of let me play guess who and cut off a lot of them to be fair.
[UNKNOWN]: God, that was nice.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so as of right now, and this will change for the time people hear this because there will be two more teams added, but right now it is track machine Jay and Leona and common Rita in the A block.
[UNKNOWN]: in the B block as for the television we're going to get from rate a per hour so it's going to kick off on the fourth in cork and haul so that's two weeks from now that's going to be a stack cork in with uh she and skywalker's last match that's right so we'll have a delayed recording that week is that shows taking place on the Tuesday and I know that I'll need a few days to watch that so we might end up doing like a week or a day or a Friday record yeah but
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not a good week, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, unfortunately, bad week for both of us, but we're going to get the fourth on TV.
[UNKNOWN]: That's cork and we're going to get the 11th, which is a national holiday show from the new Osaka building that they're running.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to get TV on the 16th in Kobe.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get a double
[UNKNOWN]: on August 30th before this tournament wraps up on September 3rd, a Thursday in Cork and Hall.
[UNKNOWN]: So a lot of this is going to air.
[UNKNOWN]: I would not count on any YouTube uploads.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see, but I just I wouldn't count on it.
[UNKNOWN]: But a fair amount of this will air.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to Fukuoka double shot in there, which I think is great.
[UNKNOWN]: Even with Leona being involved right now, Mike, I'm super excited for this tournament.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, if we have 12 teams, maybe Moody gets a tag team.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, there's a lot of ways to go with that.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe I would like to see that, but maybe I let me let me pull Jesus blues guy.
[UNKNOWN]: He had a proposed list.
[UNKNOWN]: He said he didn't know anything, but this is his.
[UNKNOWN]: his dream list or the way that he laid this out was he had it here.
[UNKNOWN]: He had it pulled up.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Manora Yoshioca team 204, Jackie Rita, Cielo Monte, Rioia and Amare, young vibes will count vibes be as strong as you can Jane Leona, Doyama, Susuba Cagator, Hio Gianni, Futa, and Moody, and then an old guy's tag team.
[UNKNOWN]: If that ends up being
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I would be kind of excited about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Doyama instead of not hug.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, true.
[UNKNOWN]: I would love it if they ran back.
[UNKNOWN]: For as much as for as badly as I want us to sum up Kagatura, Kami Rita Rematch, I would love if they ran back that Yamato Susumu team that teamed up a few years ago.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought they were great together.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, it's big fan of that.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you do like joy and I guess you do
[UNKNOWN]: have doying cog a like even ever been on like a triangle gate teams I guess you would do doying dragon kid.
[UNKNOWN]: I forgot about dragon kid.
[UNKNOWN]: You would you would do that probably sort of doying cog a but no I I mean I actually don't think dragon kid's gonna be in that turn in that I think I have heard oh no never mind never mind Minor race last five seconds.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: I was out of scoop there It's something that I'll tell you off air
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, no, I appreciate that.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyways, that's Ray Daybury House.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll have plenty of coverage for that.
[UNKNOWN]: I am excited for that, which is nice to say in 2026 about Dragon.
[UNKNOWN]: I am excited for Ray Daybury House.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I'm with you.
[UNKNOWN]: You have the right champion for it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not going to be that much of a beating.
[UNKNOWN]: And I, with the exception of Leona, a lot of interesting kind of pairings to do with that.
[UNKNOWN]: the go-to-intermission match on Kobe world with Yamato's 20th anniversary match, the full compliment of Paradox Yamato, BB-Hulk, Noruki Doi, Dragon Cave, Kaka Toro, Tsumiya Koska, versus the Tory Mon Generation of Ultimo Dragon,
[UNKNOWN]: Don Fuji, Mesaki, Mocha, Zuki, Ginkihura, Gugi, Azushi, Kanda, and Kneetro, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Accompanyed by Konamawa, Hichikawa, Super Shisa, who was good to see Super Shisa after hearing that he's doing a little, that he's kind of in rough shape and choco-flake, K-E-Gi.
[UNKNOWN]: And essentially, a 12 minute match that was Yamato versus all the veterans and people that he's had a lot of links throughout his career.
[UNKNOWN]: He won with after two Galleria as on Genki because it is Genki Mania year.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not going to take just one put down Horikuchi.
[UNKNOWN]: And it kind of was exactly what you would expect for this match.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm I'm disappointed in it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm disappointed that this was the use of Yamato on this show, you know, it existed.
[UNKNOWN]: It was harmless.
[UNKNOWN]: It was relatively short, but it's done anything that I remember.
[UNKNOWN]: I think a year from now we'll look at this is a really weird oddity for Yamato 20th anniversary.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and really as I said earlier, this match, the reason to watch this match is if you want to have a 15 minute history crash course on the the the career of your motto done by Jay, he was really great on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Jay was great as his entire show.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he was excellent in the dreamgate match.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he was excellent in the bravegate match.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was excellent in the trianglegate match.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought he was really good here.
[UNKNOWN]: Shume Skywalker's final match in Kobe was the next match.
[UNKNOWN]: It was a three-way six-way six-man tag, one fall to a finish.
[UNKNOWN]: The teams were the former Cypatra of Shume Skywalker, Johnny Valletta, and LCLO.
[UNKNOWN]: Versus team, Mexico, Aflamita, Luis Monte, and Dragonbane.
[UNKNOWN]: Versus the heel team of Kai, Jason Lee, and Alpha Wolf of Team 2,000 X.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a few different ways we could go with this.
[UNKNOWN]: I do want to start with this, which is that, under the assumption that he's working the schedule that he's been working the last few years, that means that Flamita's going home, what a waste of Flamita during this tour.
[UNKNOWN]: He did absolutely nothing of note.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a bummer because he felt like he brought he added a little bit of a spark here and it just, you know, I would have loved to see Flameda and young vibes challenging for the triangle gate and having that be the pairing.
[UNKNOWN]: Just something.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is a guy who based off the the limited work that he's done a dragon gate over these last few years.
[UNKNOWN]: I've considered to be like a top 35 top 40
[UNKNOWN]: And I, I couldn't possibly justify that decision this year because he did nothing on this tour.
[UNKNOWN]: And it struck me watching it.
[UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, yeah, Flamie is going to go home.
[UNKNOWN]: And other than that three-way tag at the June cork and show, which was random and, you know, great, but unnecessary.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this was just an entirely worthless tour.
[UNKNOWN]: What a disappointment that was.
[UNKNOWN]: What a terrible use of Felnita.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you have this June skywalker stuff where this stuff is kind of existing and non-cannon.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels awkward.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels like a separate universe.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like the extended,
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not bad, but it's also not good.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's that that's the bummer is that it is not fun watching shoot and sky walk or wrestle right now.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he's just like pulling people into the orbit doing these shoot matches essentially because it was a crowd brawl to start and it then had a second long crowd brawl alphabane and alphabane looked fun in this match.
[UNKNOWN]: I always like seeing alphabane here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry, Dragon Bane.
[UNKNOWN]: Alpha Wolf has teamed 2,000 X's no-pies for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And you had a great triple dive from Fomita, Montet, and Dragon Bane towards the closing stretch.
[UNKNOWN]: And then it was basically Kickway, I'm Summer, Moon Salt, knees, kick out SSW on Jason.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was it for Shinsky Walker at Kobe World Cannon Hall, at least as a Dragon Gate Ressler.
[UNKNOWN]: And I felt like the, you know, jaded a lot of heavy lifting on commentary to make Jason losing to shune here with the SSW like the fight on chapter in this long running history between these two because they do have a long running history and I talked about this in my written review where, you know, in 2018 and 2019, these are like young kids who are are really exciting parts of a
[UNKNOWN]: and then they have masquerade together and then, you know, shune turns and you have the fight over the custody of Jason Lee in 2022.
[UNKNOWN]: Up through Jason Lee's heel turn in 2024 and, you know, they're tied at the hip until soon gets turned on last year.
[UNKNOWN]: And in theory, the final interactions between Jason Lee and Schune Skywalker should mean a ton.
[UNKNOWN]: And it just fell flat to me because of the way that Schuann has been handled in Schuann's performances and it was just it was kind of sad but not in the the heart warming like I'm glad I've spent years with these guys watching the story development was sad that it was like oh that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh this match was kind of getting good and then that's when Schuann Penn Jason and just halted all momentum.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a real bummer that Skywalker has gone out this way.
[UNKNOWN]: It has been a very confusing 11 months where there are sometimes where he has the match, and he reminds people that he's the best wrestler of the 2020s, not named Brian Daniels, and are Will Osprey, but more often than not over the last 9 or 10 months.
[UNKNOWN]: It has just been head scratching decisions from him in this weird sort of half cannon, half non-cannon stuff that he's existing in that I am I am very worn out on.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's definitely a scenario where as he leaves how are we going to measure this last year comparison to the previous nine because.
[UNKNOWN]: To be honest, this is kind of continued my opinion of this entire kind of series that I get it, especially advertising him game that the stops on the loop before he's gone, but it just like I'm ready for it to be over with I was ready for it to be over with three weeks ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as a vibe.
[UNKNOWN]: And this just felt like a, it felt weird having a nine man match followed immediately by a 12 man match.
[UNKNOWN]: But as we talked about last week, these are the big, the get guys on the card.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which was weird because it like did we need to get Johnny, Dragon Bay and Alpha Wolf on this card.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I, somebody pointed this out to me last week and I had an even thought about this about what a poor booking choice it was to put
[UNKNOWN]: Alfa Wolf was Jason Lee and Kai because the March cork and had that gaja docro team 2000.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Like completely blocked out of my memory as soon as it ended I haven't thought about that match since and then somebody shared that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and somebody mentioned that to me last week.
[UNKNOWN]: They're like, well, that's it's even worse booking because the team of Jason Lee and Kai and Alfa Wolf don't even make sense together, which then it was like, Oh, God, really, what are we doing here?
[UNKNOWN]: I will say,
[UNKNOWN]: And this is certainly not the goal of Kobe world and it is probably a flaw that this was my takeaway of this match.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Alpha Wolf head and shoulders best guy in the match.
[UNKNOWN]: Thought Alpha Wolf was great in this.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, it's just whenever it, whenever there's a team 2,000 next, it just immediately my interest drops like a, I get it, but this was this was not
[UNKNOWN]: This was just Alpha Wolf being out of a wolf, which is a wrestler that I really enjoy.
[UNKNOWN]: And he was with Jason Lee and Kai, which is a pretty good trio.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, in theory, I should like those guys teaming with one another.
[UNKNOWN]: In execution, I liked those guys teaming with one another.
[UNKNOWN]: I just shouldn't ever leave a Kobe world match going like God.
[UNKNOWN]: Look at how great Alpha Wolf was.
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's entirely fair.
[UNKNOWN]: Our fourth title match was before this, the 100th open the triangle gate champion team was decided between Love and PCO, Jackie, Kamei, and Rita versus Natural Vibes, Sean Machine J, UT, and Gucci, and it was Love and Peace becoming the 100th triangle gate champion team with the Manji Gotimae,
[UNKNOWN]: on UT by Heo, on a match that I felt like, if anything, throughout this year that they have added that this is Dragon Gate thing, almost to erasing the ability of that as a tagline, this match felt like that this should be the latest on the list of what Dragon Gate is in 2026 because this was
[UNKNOWN]: One of those triangle gate matches that I feel like that in less you really like actually case let me put this way.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember when we were doing the state of Lucharest a couple of weeks ago and I posed my question about if Dragon Gate got too far away from what Lucharest was at its core comparing it with Osaka Pro Wrestling.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a match that tells me that Dragon Gate can still put forth effort to evolve the format.
[UNKNOWN]: Because this felt like the most modern Dragon Gate trio's match since maybe Dragon Gate Vegas to me.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it felt like that this was them at the cutting edge at a time where they haven't felt like they've been on the cutting edge for a while.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, that's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: That's an interesting question.
[UNKNOWN]: They just went for it.
[UNKNOWN]: So what?
[UNKNOWN]: straight trios match because let the end of the year last year there was that bin heo junior Jason kai kacho kazis or was she J UT match.
[UNKNOWN]: That was incredible.
[UNKNOWN]: And then last August there was that bin kami rita diikkuta tenaka bin dito flimita monta three way match that I thought was also really cutting edge but straight trios match
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's probably since April 18th of last year that second Vegas trio's match.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, I hadn't thought about that, but you're right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me, let me throw this at you.
[UNKNOWN]: I realized this is I was doing my written review.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you realize that this was the first all dragon gate versus all dragon gate opened the triangle gate match since February of this year?
[UNKNOWN]: that would make sense.
[UNKNOWN]: Golden car, I'm sorry, Uno does trace was when the Oki Gucci KZ trio won the belts from love and peace and paradox in that three way trio's match.
[UNKNOWN]: The one defense they had was at Golden Coliseum and that was against Pralindragon to Kashi and Koji Iwo Motel.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I thought Iwo Motel was great in that match and maybe won you a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: He was great.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: problem dragon to Kashi Koji Iomoto.
[UNKNOWN]: That is not a pure dragon gate team.
[UNKNOWN]: And then from there, you had all the nonsense where you could dragon those belts were then vacated.
[UNKNOWN]: So we haven't had a proper triangle gate match with any sort of focus since February.
[UNKNOWN]: And then they come out here and they do this.
[UNKNOWN]: And I wrote about this extensively.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll say it here.
[UNKNOWN]: for all of the athletic advancements and innovation and professional wrestling today, I still feel like most of the wrestling world is just doing a water down dragon-geet house style.
[UNKNOWN]: And I could assure you that there is no other roster on the planet that could do a match like this, and quite honestly, any pendant in the know,
[UNKNOWN]: Anyone that is aware of Dranger that is going to watch this show that is going to talk about it that doesn't love this match to whatever degree they love it, but that they love it, I would really question what they're watching and how they're analyzing wrestling in 2026, because I think this is, I think this is a more undoubted, great match than Casey versus Kakuta.
[UNKNOWN]: I will of course strongly disagree with people that don't like that match or don't like it as much as I do.
[UNKNOWN]: But I guess I can understand it.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what I don't understand.
[UNKNOWN]: This should be a universally approved everybody should love this match.
[UNKNOWN]: No questions asked.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I mean, from start with the extended natural vise party anthem, entrance where they really went for it to there, through the entire match.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I was surprised at the amount of time this got, this match got 15 minutes and 25 seconds when we were hoping that it was gonna get 10.
[UNKNOWN]: And they took advantage of the situation.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean Gucci is the most approved wrestler in the world in 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: He keeps on knocking it dead knocking it dead
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that the core of this match was heoverse's UT, and he'll go in for the Manjigatame and UT finding ways to get the bianjave and interesting situations, keeping him into the match, and then having the bursts of Jackie Rita and strong machine J, the way that they did the kickouts.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, my god, the double stomped out of the machine suplex, just
[UNKNOWN]: ridiculous stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was a triangle gate match and a dragon gate trio's match that for 15 minutes did not let up whatsoever.
[UNKNOWN]: Even the submission work from heo and UT was spirited.
[UNKNOWN]: It was lively.
[UNKNOWN]: It was interesting in the way that they would go forward and the way that they would counter into their submissions and into like their pending holes and just
[UNKNOWN]: a level of chemistry with those two that I feel like can be truly exceptional here.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, although I had three matches with the identical, starting, this is the match that I will remember as the match of Kobe World 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: And I give it to, it should be no surprise, really, that we give it to Jackie Reda, who have been this insane tag for 18 months.
[UNKNOWN]: Gucci who has stepped up in ways that I didn't think it was possible.
[UNKNOWN]: He was still on the run of his career UT being able to show that he has a lot to bring to this roster even the say he did in S&J was Providing enough spice there that you we kept on a pace.
[UNKNOWN]: You know strong change and not slow this match down and that out is the win there
[UNKNOWN]: And what you have when you get those six together and get them a quarter hour, it's a four and a half star match the your contender level trios match is going to be hard to find a trios match that is going to be as good as this throughout the entire wrestling world this year.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to hit on Kame I want to hit on Rita I want to hit on Gucci just real quick on the Kame front his Kobe world history.
[UNKNOWN]: 2021, because he might have, he might have had COVID during the 2020 show, but he wasn't on that.
[UNKNOWN]: But 2021, night one, this is a very funny match to look at on paper.
[UNKNOWN]: Ben K. Gamma, a problem drag in a punch top of Naga versus Jackie Kame, UT to Kashioshita and Yosuke Santamaria.
[UNKNOWN]: He's only on night one of two in 2021.
[UNKNOWN]: He's not even on the
[UNKNOWN]: 2020 two comes around night one is Jason and Jackie versus DM on Tanshoot.
[UNKNOWN]: The second night he's got the off night there.
[UNKNOWN]: They do Z Brats versus Kung Fu Masters from there.
[UNKNOWN]: Menorra, Menorita, enjoy versus Shemazoo, Kame, and Kazy, and a triangle gate match, I went notebook on that.
[UNKNOWN]: 2024, Drankyton, enjoy versus Kame and Montave, versus Felita and Kazy, versus Jason and Skywalk, I went notebook on that.
[UNKNOWN]: 2025, Bindito, Fulmita, and Montave, or Samara, Ishton, Kato, Kame, Mochizuki, Jr and Rita, went notebook on that.
[UNKNOWN]: Now this, your Heo, Kame, Rita, versus Gucci, Strong Machine, JUT, I went notebook on that.
[UNKNOWN]: We talk about it all the time.
[UNKNOWN]: Legitimately, Jackie Kame is one of the best big match wrestlers in the entire world.
[UNKNOWN]: His hit rate is astonishing.
[UNKNOWN]: His batting average is astronomically high.
[UNKNOWN]: His ceiling is almost as high as anybody's in the world.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's starting to put together a legendary Kobe world resume to go along with everything else that he's already doing.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the Bob Bory of Professional
[UNKNOWN]: is unbelievable.
[UNKNOWN]: He, but the problem is that he shouldn't be the Bob-Ori.
[UNKNOWN]: He should be something more than that.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's a, it's a crime that we are comparing him to Bob-Ori and not an athlete that was a bigger star and a more focal point of championship teams.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not a heat-check guy.
[UNKNOWN]: This is, this is Tony Parker, a not Robert Ori and the problem is that they're treating him like Robert Ori.
[UNKNOWN]: It drives me
[UNKNOWN]: I think if I had to submit my SFM 50 today, I think I would have Rita higher than Kame for the first time ever.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm starting to get scared at just how high I have Rita.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's nothing that he doesn't do at an exceptional level.
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm just watching his offense in this match.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm watching his double stumps.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm watching the way that he's taking offense from others.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just completely enthralled with every single step that Rita's taking.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm completely blown away by every move that he makes.
[UNKNOWN]: I think if he showed up on Dynamite tomorrow, I think it would be legitimately very similar to Rage Jr. showing up in WCW because of his size and because of his frame.
[UNKNOWN]: And because of the fact that nobody works like Rita does, he's like a, you know, he's,
[UNKNOWN]: He's like a less goofy version of speedball.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, they do offense in a very similar way, but I think Rita does it way better than speedball does.
[UNKNOWN]: And I love speedball.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think Rita's like a better version of that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he would blow people away if you showed up on Dynamite tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: Rita's having the best year of his career.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he's absolutely phenomenal.
[UNKNOWN]: As for Gucci, Mike, I don't want to hear another name mentioned.
[UNKNOWN]: when it comes to most improved 2026.
[UNKNOWN]: The conversation starts and ends with Gucci, born on, end of discussion, not interested in another name.
[UNKNOWN]: Imagine telling yourself at this time last year when he was still Dikyonic Uchi with a gimmick that was running long in the tooth.
[UNKNOWN]: And at this point, he wasn't even the cork and haul employee.
[UNKNOWN]: He was just still the guy in the white tight with nothing else going on for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Imagine telling yourself then,
[UNKNOWN]: just how integral to the day-to-day operations of dragon gate, that Daiki Yanagi Uchi would be in July of 2026, but for all of the flaws of this promotion this year, imagine them without Daiki in this spot.
[UNKNOWN]: Think about that.
[UNKNOWN]: it's incredible to see what this guy who essentially to me, I felt he was the biggest we've ever talented, but like a joy for the longest time.
[UNKNOWN]: And now he's out there in a Darby Kilt just going wild and with a level of speed and Christmas that is really beyond
[UNKNOWN]: We're really talking about a guy that although he's had a couple moments, of course, like the Mochizuki Dojo stuff and the Yamano match, it's not like that he had been a huge focus until the natural vibes join at the beginning of this year.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're talking about seven months of this guy has been able to go all gas no breaks, and what we're seeing is like,
[UNKNOWN]: He is never going to probably be a dreamgate guy, but my God, he is someone that I feel like that this is someone that I know that Kamei was recently got to go do a UK trip.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he has enough natural charisma and ability that thinking that he was a joy was maybe intentional of them that we could see actually how great of a middleweight wrestler he is.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, I'm just blown away by him constantly.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he is a top 50 wrestler in the world who is quickly becoming a top 40 and a top 35 and a top 30 wrestler in the world.
[UNKNOWN]: And there's just very few people that I've enjoyed more and wrestling this year than him.
[UNKNOWN]: And this was this was his shining moment.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, I think it is an absolute war crime.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a complete tragedy that the 100th triangle gate championship match.
[UNKNOWN]: was handled in this way because this is something that I've been circling just as a fan of this promotion for years and years now knowing that we were eventually going to get to this point where we would have 100 triangle gate champions.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought it was a layup.
[UNKNOWN]: to have some sort of version of vibes and paradox in the spot with the Amato and Gucci continuing their story for their Brave Gate match last year.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was a band, and we had this for you, Cudragon, now it's sense.
[UNKNOWN]: And then we came here with, you know, a match with no real build.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, a pretty cold match on paper that given the talent involved, we knew could be something special.
[UNKNOWN]: And we got something special out of it, and that, that is a pretty incredible thing.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a must-watch measure if there ever was.
[UNKNOWN]: I really hope this match starts to make the rounds as more and more people talk about this show this week.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just a really kind of exceptional match in the one that's definitely sticking in my head a lot more so than other stuff on the show as we exit Kobe world.
[UNKNOWN]: Afunaki gets calmly to a weird degree.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it made me, it's the first Shimbashi match in a few weeks that made me do a laugh.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I, I, I, I, I don't know what it was.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was Fonaki just kind of being befuddled by the ability of Shimbashi to use the umbrella in a match, but it got, it got a laugh out of me, which is more than I was expecting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.
[UNKNOWN]: The opener of the paperview proper was Kazuma Kamora and Mocha Zuki Junior versus Ria Futa and Aki and a hot young guy opener.
[UNKNOWN]: I love this.
[UNKNOWN]: I though this was super fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm continuously blown away by Camoris footwork.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the thing I always come back to with him.
[UNKNOWN]: He's just always on the right place of the right time Which for a guy less than a year into his careers impressive thought Oki looked very good I thought food will look great.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Junior looked great also I know I typically push against the idea of Those two being in the ring with one another because we know that they're good together But good on food if we're having a strong showing up world I hope he gets put in a unit soon
[UNKNOWN]: And I thought this was a really fun opener.
[UNKNOWN]: wild, round kick knocked down, Jr. got on a food in this.
[UNKNOWN]: And he just, like, jameily called a vision, psycho, and I was like, yeah, no, I guess that's what it is.
[UNKNOWN]: But it just, it was almost crock-off ass that you just cranked one on him with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And the German soup, like, sold that he won with, was impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: Fun, five minute opener there.
[UNKNOWN]: And then the advanced match, we got the entire one.
[UNKNOWN]: We thought we might only get moments of it.
[UNKNOWN]: It was Satyoko Boy Takashi, a Monday,
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, ho-ho, loom, punch, no-managa, and Tristan hoody.
[UNKNOWN]: I am not had a chance to watch the shows that heir to the network right before this.
[UNKNOWN]: So this was my first look at moody.
[UNKNOWN]: He was only in the match for a minute, but I liked what I saw.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought that was very fun.
[UNKNOWN]: And I look forward to seeing him progress as things go on here.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I made time to see at least his stuff on Kyoto and Kobe and he looks like he, he has it like he has the speed to kind of keep up with it that it doesn't feel like that he's needing adjustment time as much as some others might need but the thing that kind of got me about this was he is 23 years old and has only been wrestling since 2024.
[UNKNOWN]: interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing how he progresses.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to be fun.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how long he's staying in Kobe, but hopefully he gets a good long stent there.
[UNKNOWN]: And we get to see him progress as a Draingate wrestler.
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely.
[UNKNOWN]: And that is it for Kobe world.
[UNKNOWN]: There is a network show coming up on Sunday.
[UNKNOWN]: I believe on the 26th, they are back in San Bo Hall for the summer festival.
[UNKNOWN]: It's their usual post-corkin hall.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm sorry, Kobe world show where it's a little bit more light-hearted in case.
[UNKNOWN]: uh... cokio shima and dyesu jiguchi are finally making their debut on the show yeah i i have a bad feeling about that i don't think that match is going to be fun i know credit to our friend alan for trying to drop some sort of alternate scenario where they
[UNKNOWN]: kick the old guys asses and look down on their debut.
[UNKNOWN]: I think those gimmicks are going to be humiliating.
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're going to get the shit kicked out of them.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just have a horrible feeling that that mash is going to be a bummer and I am not looking forward to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we can hold out hope that they will do it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean lucky Oshima and Suji Gucci big circus
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have a very bad feeling about that batch.
[UNKNOWN]: I hope I'm wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: I just don't like the direction that's headed.
[UNKNOWN]: No, no, maybe I'll answer right on this.
[UNKNOWN]: We also know a six-man tag team match to knock a gun finally making their debut as a three-person team against KZ, Strong Machine J info media.
[UNKNOWN]: So KZ strong machine.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so flip me to sticking around for a little bit.
[UNKNOWN]: That's good.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they're going to go back to Flamita versus Tanaka.
[UNKNOWN]: Strong machine J can't challenge Tanaka.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think they're doing KZ at home.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: That would have made me sense.
[UNKNOWN]: And I certainly don't think they're doing KZ versus tomorrow.
[UNKNOWN]: I do have to wonder what KZ versus Tanaka's going to look like, namely during that match, but after the match as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, that would be an interesting thing to see.
[UNKNOWN]: And we'll be back next week, do talk about that.
[UNKNOWN]: Case, do you have anything else you want to touch on for we got out of here?
[UNKNOWN]: I do not.
[UNKNOWN]: you can find us on social media at open voice gate, profile on Twitter and on blue sky, cases on Twitter at underscore in your case.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm at Fujiheya.
[UNKNOWN]: There's also the voices of wrestling discord, which has the open-the-voice gate channel, as well as the dry and gate channel.
[UNKNOWN]: I was not.
[UNKNOWN]: in it during Kobe World, but I like looked back afterwards and seen how much of the show has kind of had people popping in there.
[UNKNOWN]: It was KZ time and you had to know that the international fan base was going to really have it for KZ finally winning the big one, but that's the voices of Russ and Discord.
[UNKNOWN]: And we will be back with you next week, talking about that summer festival show in Kobe, Sombo Hall, and more coming out of Kobe World,