WEBVTT 00:02.433 --> 00:03.694 [SPEAKER_00]: Christian parenting. 00:05.436 --> 00:08.039 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I admit that I'm embarrassed, but not really. 00:08.639 --> 00:11.282 [SPEAKER_00]: Not enough to not do this episode. 00:11.642 --> 00:15.145 [SPEAKER_00]: But a little embarrassed to say, I didn't really know. 00:15.165 --> 00:18.108 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, I shouldn't put the really, I didn't know about logic. 00:18.529 --> 00:20.130 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know about fallacies. 00:20.170 --> 00:22.573 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I knew about having debates. 00:23.133 --> 00:35.437 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know about having arguments to me, it was my western understanding of argument where you're yelling at each other, not necessarily, the back and forth type of maybe what we think debate, which is different than that, I believe. 00:36.337 --> 00:41.539 [SPEAKER_00]: And so it wasn't until about, we'll say 2020-ish, that I became aware of these. 00:41.819 --> 00:50.402 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I knew about their being psychology and things like propaganda, but I didn't know there were labels and that there were specific different types of 00:51.482 --> 01:12.337 [SPEAKER_00]: To me sometimes I'd hear somebody say something and like it doesn't quite sound right but I didn't have a label for it I'm gonna admit something to you here in this episode about even those labels and those names and those types of fallacies But when I became aware of this I was like we aren't doing this in homeschool I have this perfect opportunity just like when we began homeschooling I realized that this perfect opportunity 01:12.797 --> 01:19.322 [SPEAKER_00]: to share the gospel with them and to weave in our Bible time and our faith into every aspect of our home school. 01:19.442 --> 01:27.509 [SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, my kids at this time, 20, 20-ish were middle school high school and I was like, yeah, we are, we're going to do this. 01:27.629 --> 01:29.030 [SPEAKER_00]: And so we started to integrate it. 01:29.710 --> 01:33.753 [SPEAKER_00]: And you get to benefit from my ignorance in the beginning. 01:33.834 --> 01:37.857 [SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that when I started compiling these different resources, I really didn't know what I was doing. 01:38.317 --> 01:40.439 [SPEAKER_00]: But my kind of, 01:41.425 --> 01:45.106 [SPEAKER_00]: Messing through it and it not being a very great process. 01:45.686 --> 01:47.167 [SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get to benefit from that today. 01:48.827 --> 01:50.828 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Little By Little Home School Podcast. 01:51.028 --> 01:52.769 [SPEAKER_00]: I am your host, Lee Nguyen. 01:52.949 --> 01:55.670 [SPEAKER_00]: And today we're going to talk about, don't sleep on this. 01:56.030 --> 01:58.171 [SPEAKER_00]: You need to teach your home school or logic. 01:58.251 --> 02:00.431 [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to dive in in just a few moments. 02:00.891 --> 02:02.792 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to give you my favorite resources. 02:02.812 --> 02:05.093 [SPEAKER_00]: So make sure you have that pen and paper handy. 02:05.733 --> 02:08.354 [SPEAKER_00]: My family right now, we are deep into summer. 02:08.934 --> 02:13.259 [SPEAKER_00]: It is hot and it is sweaty, but we are getting out there working in the garden. 02:13.279 --> 02:17.984 [SPEAKER_00]: We meaning I My vegetable garden is doing very well. 02:18.045 --> 02:24.271 [SPEAKER_00]: We have been enjoying things from it and my flowers are just Little how to control but in a really good way. 02:24.452 --> 02:27.855 [SPEAKER_00]: I've been slowly converting my beds to more perennials 02:28.476 --> 02:37.291 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's less work for me every year, but I still plant some annuals, the zineas that we can enjoy in the summer and to the fall, and then I'll do marigolds because I like adding that pop of color for the fall. 02:37.332 --> 02:39.575 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's what I've been doing, you know, in my spare time. 02:39.756 --> 02:41.980 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into today's episode now, though. 02:43.478 --> 02:51.442 [SPEAKER_00]: My personal belief, well, I've had a lot of fun, but in this regard today I'm gonna talk about, is that others should benefit from our experiences. 02:51.882 --> 03:12.713 [SPEAKER_00]: Whether those are good experiences or those are bad experiences, I really believe that we should use those and be able to share, maybe not a state doesn't have an SLEB, teach somebody, but to share our experiences and what we learn through something so that we can provide them with some information and maybe they have a little bit of a leg up and they can have a little bit more information to make a decision. 03:13.313 --> 03:30.551 [SPEAKER_00]: We know that when it comes to our kids, especially as they get to be teens, we try to share some of that wise advice with them from things that we learned and ways that we fumbled during our teen years and the wisdom we have acquired and they don't always want to listen, but if you're listening to today's episode, I assume it is because you want to learn. 03:30.571 --> 03:31.491 [SPEAKER_00]: You want to hear about 03:32.132 --> 03:38.315 [SPEAKER_00]: some favorite resources, and I'm going to tell you right now that we did this in an order that made it very confusing. 03:38.756 --> 03:50.562 [SPEAKER_00]: So now looking at different resources that we used, I'm going to let you skip that step of pretty much trying and falling on your face and your kids looking at you being like, 03:51.382 --> 03:53.803 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what is we just went through this whole thing. 03:53.864 --> 03:54.484 [SPEAKER_00]: What is logic? 03:54.524 --> 03:55.164 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know. 03:55.204 --> 03:58.146 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what this means and it being a little bit too deep. 03:58.166 --> 04:10.273 [SPEAKER_00]: So let's just say we jumped into the deep end and I'm going to tell you the deep end is really great and maybe your kids will be ready to jump right into the deep end and I will link all of these different resources in the show notes for you. 04:10.333 --> 04:12.074 [SPEAKER_00]: But that means don't go and pause this episode. 04:12.434 --> 04:14.956 [SPEAKER_00]: go just check out those because I want to give you a little bit of information. 04:14.976 --> 04:21.481 [SPEAKER_00]: I want to give you the order in which that I would do these if I had a chance for a redo. 04:21.861 --> 04:29.587 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to share with you my and maybe my kids I don't know at the time they weren't always very open receptive in different years and different resources and different kids. 04:30.167 --> 04:33.930 [SPEAKER_00]: But so this is going to be the order that I would do my favorite logic resources. 04:34.050 --> 04:37.093 [SPEAKER_00]: And I have three main ones that I would recommend. 04:37.353 --> 04:38.914 [SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean that there aren't others out there? 04:39.014 --> 04:40.796 [SPEAKER_00]: If there are, I'd love to hear about it. 04:40.836 --> 04:42.117 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to be able to check it out. 04:42.137 --> 04:43.498 [SPEAKER_00]: You can send me an email, let me know. 04:44.178 --> 05:00.312 [SPEAKER_00]: But then after I share those three, in order that I would do them now, I'm gonna share with you another resource that's like a bonus resource and I'm gonna kind of give you some ideas on how you can use that along with or in place of some of these other resources I'm gonna share with you. 05:00.712 --> 05:01.253 [SPEAKER_00]: So the first one. 05:01.893 --> 05:09.107 [SPEAKER_00]: At this was my first introduction to logic to my kids, whether they are in elementary, middle, or high school. 05:10.088 --> 05:10.309 [SPEAKER_00]: This. 05:11.600 --> 05:15.062 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to say curriculum, but this resource is good for any of them. 05:15.682 --> 05:19.685 [SPEAKER_00]: If they're in high school, might be super easier for them. 05:20.005 --> 05:23.247 [SPEAKER_00]: It might be easier for them, not super easier for them. 05:23.267 --> 05:30.371 [SPEAKER_00]: You build to kind of fly through it, and I really just think that it helps to lay just like that good foundation and a good introduction to it. 05:30.872 --> 05:35.735 [SPEAKER_00]: And many of you have probably heard of this one, and it is the fallacy detective. 05:41.976 --> 06:01.488 [SPEAKER_00]: a bunch of like the main fallacies tells you what logic is, tells you why you should need to know this, why it would be good for you to know this, you could recognize it out in the world, whether it's speaking to people or it's commercials or it's online or it's billboards or it's in print such as maybe books or magazines or newspapers. 06:02.288 --> 06:09.591 [SPEAKER_00]: So the fallacy detective is what I would say to do first, whether you have an eight-year-old, you have a 13-year-old, or a 16-year-old. 06:10.031 --> 06:12.913 [SPEAKER_00]: I would recommend it as a great first resource. 06:13.473 --> 06:22.417 [SPEAKER_00]: If you have a 16-year-old, you might get through this in a month or two or half of the homeschool year and then be able to go into something that's a little bit more in depth. 06:22.537 --> 06:24.958 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you have a younger children, you might 06:25.838 --> 06:33.742 [SPEAKER_00]: do the fallacy detective and you might do it for a couple consecutive years because it just takes some time and I feel like for some people takes more time for me. 06:34.202 --> 06:36.503 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll be honest, I mentioned early, I'm going to admit something here. 06:37.124 --> 06:40.925 [SPEAKER_00]: I still can't remember the different names of the fallacies. 06:41.566 --> 06:50.370 [SPEAKER_00]: I can maybe hear something here, whether it's a person or something or like something's not right about that and I can kind of pick apart maybe what it is. 06:51.070 --> 06:58.197 [SPEAKER_00]: And I can't quite remember the exact name of it in some of the, or somebody could say something like a red herring And like, ooh, which one is that? 06:58.217 --> 07:02.942 [SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to the labels, I have a block, but it just is like, I don't know. 07:03.002 --> 07:05.284 [SPEAKER_00]: I go blank I'm like, I'm not really quite sure what that is. 07:05.684 --> 07:08.147 [SPEAKER_00]: I remember things like appeal to authority. 07:08.187 --> 07:09.708 [SPEAKER_00]: That one's pretty easy for me to remember. 07:10.755 --> 07:39.922 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, put me aside, I just want to let you know that if you have a little more of a difficult time or this is a very first introduction for you too, the fallacy detective is really a great place to start once you go through that whether that takes you a month or two or that takes you entire school homeschool year or you do it maybe a couple years in a row you do it one year take a year off and do it the next year the next one I would recommend would be master books logic it was a great book they pick a couple of or at least one or two main 07:40.768 --> 08:04.854 [SPEAKER_00]: fallacy or main arguments that somebody might have and then they rephrase it into the different fallacies and I think that's really helpful if there is one topic and you rephrase it into the different so the appeal to authority and the red herring whatever that is and then you say okay this is how it sounds different and that's how they're using this same topic in different types of fallacies 08:07.817 --> 08:11.067 [SPEAKER_00]: off the top of my head and I'm again I'm going to lick these resources in the show notes for you. 08:12.422 --> 08:19.547 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's for middle school high school, but I would say middle school high school and you might even be able to do it. 08:19.727 --> 08:23.770 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's labeled for elementary, then it is fine to do for all the ages up. 08:23.850 --> 08:28.173 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not too babyish or anything for a high schooler to do. 08:28.473 --> 08:33.016 [SPEAKER_00]: But it might be targeted towards high schoolers, but you might have a fifth sixth grader that is absolutely fine for. 08:33.036 --> 08:34.297 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's master books. 08:34.377 --> 08:38.340 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not necessarily going to come up with topics, there's nothing going to be inappropriate. 08:38.960 --> 08:41.861 [SPEAKER_00]: for a younger student to go through. 08:42.741 --> 08:45.782 [SPEAKER_00]: And let me say, you should be going through this with them. 08:46.342 --> 08:53.485 [SPEAKER_00]: All of these resources do it with them, especially if you don't know if you're starting at Ground Zero like I was, do it with them. 08:53.565 --> 08:54.985 [SPEAKER_00]: Make it a part of your family learning. 08:55.305 --> 08:57.986 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's a part of your family time that you do. 08:58.066 --> 09:03.247 [SPEAKER_00]: I do have some other episodes about that, but I also talk about family time when it comes to your homeschool blueprint. 09:03.328 --> 09:04.648 [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is something that you can, 09:04.988 --> 09:05.588 [SPEAKER_00]: Definitely include. 09:05.608 --> 09:15.371 [SPEAKER_00]: There is actually a lesson now all about morning time because I wanted to share my process for how I create a morning time and something that has worked for my family for many years. 09:15.591 --> 09:20.153 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, just like through trial error and just kind of my gut a little bit. 09:20.193 --> 09:22.594 [SPEAKER_00]: So I share that also in your homeschool blueprint. 09:22.614 --> 09:26.835 [SPEAKER_00]: You can get more information at little by the homeschool.com slash blueprint or the link is in the show notes. 09:27.634 --> 09:28.715 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, let's go with number three. 09:29.555 --> 09:33.197 [SPEAKER_00]: This one that I'm going to share with you is very meaty. 09:33.837 --> 09:36.979 [SPEAKER_00]: And when we did it, it had a video. 09:37.039 --> 09:39.600 [SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it possibly has a video as well. 09:40.401 --> 09:44.543 [SPEAKER_00]: And so I would recommend this after you have done the other resources. 09:44.603 --> 09:50.986 [SPEAKER_00]: And in just a moment, I'm going to share with you an additional resource that can really help to tie it all kind of together. 09:51.166 --> 09:54.408 [SPEAKER_00]: And one that you can kind of do on the fly, a little bit more on the go as well. 09:55.028 --> 09:59.942 [SPEAKER_00]: But the third one I would recommend is the art of argument by classical academic press. 10:00.999 --> 10:02.840 [SPEAKER_00]: this one is going to be a lot deeper. 10:03.300 --> 10:06.442 [SPEAKER_00]: And spoiler alert, this is the one that my family started with. 10:06.962 --> 10:12.205 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I probably probably my youngest might have been late elementary and then had middle and high school. 10:12.786 --> 10:14.186 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't really feel like doing the math right now. 10:14.306 --> 10:17.728 [SPEAKER_00]: But they just, we just kind of jumped into the deep end. 10:18.028 --> 10:21.891 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, I'm gonna say, I think they picked up on more things that I did. 10:22.351 --> 10:29.095 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just, again, that was that a season of life that life was just super overwhelming and trying to remember all of the different type of fallacies. 10:29.895 --> 10:34.358 [SPEAKER_00]: If we were, if I was to go back again, this would then be the third one I would do. 10:34.898 --> 10:38.040 [SPEAKER_00]: I would do the fallacy detective as a good introduction. 10:38.220 --> 10:39.461 [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't go in super deep. 10:39.981 --> 10:46.626 [SPEAKER_00]: Masterbooks logic goes in a little bit deeper, and then the art of argument is going to go it's much more immersive. 10:47.206 --> 10:49.607 [SPEAKER_00]: So that is the order that I would recommend doing those. 10:50.388 --> 10:51.309 [SPEAKER_00]: So what is this bonus? 10:51.969 --> 10:53.450 [SPEAKER_00]: The bonus is a podcast. 10:54.424 --> 10:57.727 [SPEAKER_00]: And I could, I was suggest, you could do just it. 10:58.228 --> 11:01.791 [SPEAKER_00]: Just this podcast and listen, episodes are five to 10 minutes long. 11:02.291 --> 11:03.532 [SPEAKER_00]: You could listen in the car. 11:03.873 --> 11:09.438 [SPEAKER_00]: You could also listen to this, along with doing one of the other resources. 11:09.518 --> 11:16.364 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you are doing the art of argument, I would say maybe don't do this along with it because it might just be too much. 11:16.384 --> 11:18.085 [SPEAKER_00]: And the kids like, well, I thought we were learning about that. 11:19.086 --> 11:22.847 [SPEAKER_00]: but it is called filter it through a brain cell podcast. 11:23.548 --> 11:24.768 [SPEAKER_00]: I highly recommend it. 11:25.108 --> 11:31.631 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if I know some of you listen who aren't homeschooling, I actually have plans to continue listening to this, so that you continue hearing about it. 11:31.651 --> 11:43.015 [SPEAKER_00]: She has a resource, I did purchase, I think, might have been about $10 that has listed all of the different ones in the order, I think there's, I think, in the resource, or in alphabetical order, but then also in episode order. 11:43.835 --> 11:52.581 [SPEAKER_00]: until that was really helpful because after we listened that I would go through in kind of read just a little bit of a summary, it was just a sentence or two, and that was just kind of like, okay, yes. 11:53.041 --> 12:03.208 [SPEAKER_00]: And so that we included that, I found it for his last year of homeschool, which was just last year, and we would listen to it for a few minutes just during our time that we would do together. 12:03.228 --> 12:05.030 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, it was good for me to learn, and I 12:05.770 --> 12:14.818 [SPEAKER_00]: I think if you have done a bunch of logic, you could just do this, and I think it's really helpful to just go back and be like, oh yeah, that's right. 12:14.858 --> 12:24.306 [SPEAKER_00]: I've forgotten about that one, but it's also okay to kind of sprinkle in, or maybe you're just like, I don't want to purchase any more curriculum, but I would like my kids to have some exposure to logic. 12:24.906 --> 12:28.849 [SPEAKER_00]: Because our kids, our Christian homeschool kids, we should be 12:29.921 --> 12:36.168 [SPEAKER_00]: Raising such wise children who will become wise adults and provide note opportunities now. 12:36.188 --> 12:48.140 [SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to be as wise as children as they will and they should be as adults, but providing them with the ability to take apart what somebody says and say no, that is actually false. 12:48.480 --> 12:51.704 [SPEAKER_00]: Does it mean that they are always the brave one to be able to do this? 12:52.184 --> 12:54.505 [SPEAKER_00]: and to be able to break down somebody's argument. 12:54.845 --> 12:58.886 [SPEAKER_00]: We know from videos that Charlie Kirk was amazing at this. 12:58.926 --> 13:00.706 [SPEAKER_00]: He had such a gift for it. 13:01.386 --> 13:06.668 [SPEAKER_00]: I can see this gift somewhat in my youngest, not nearly what Charlie Kirk was able to do. 13:06.788 --> 13:07.448 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the gift. 13:07.948 --> 13:10.629 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably if someone presented me as something I might just cry. 13:10.789 --> 13:12.269 [SPEAKER_00]: That's just kind of my default. 13:12.649 --> 13:15.390 [SPEAKER_00]: But I can pick apart and say something just isn't quite right in that. 13:15.410 --> 13:15.890 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that 13:16.630 --> 13:18.531 [SPEAKER_00]: If we just include this, it is so worth it. 13:18.831 --> 13:20.231 [SPEAKER_00]: That's basically what I'm doing in this episode. 13:20.591 --> 13:21.572 [SPEAKER_00]: Because it is so worth it. 13:22.072 --> 13:25.013 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not something that you need to add on top of a lot of things. 13:25.053 --> 13:28.754 [SPEAKER_00]: I really think it should be a foundation and a basis for what you're doing in your home school. 13:29.214 --> 13:32.596 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, there could be other resources out there that I'm not aware of. 13:32.776 --> 13:37.457 [SPEAKER_00]: These are just the ones that we used and that's the order that I would highly recommend doing them. 13:37.917 --> 13:44.460 [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're curious as to how does logic fit in and why you shouldn't sleep on it? 13:44.500 --> 13:45.260 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, 13:46.601 --> 13:48.782 [SPEAKER_00]: We just need to be practical. 13:48.902 --> 13:50.963 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a really a practical thing for kids to know. 13:50.983 --> 13:55.245 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, if they don't know the different types just being able to stop and say, no, that is false. 13:55.785 --> 14:01.307 [SPEAKER_00]: And be able then also on the other side it's a God's word says this and to know the truth. 14:01.967 --> 14:07.390 [SPEAKER_00]: So they know the truth and they can spot the counterfeit and not, again, not all of us are going to be able to be 14:08.610 --> 14:14.912 [SPEAKER_00]: Not all of us are gifted with that being able to be very, very verbose and breaking it down and being levelheaded about it. 14:15.612 --> 14:22.254 [SPEAKER_00]: But at least allowing our children to see that everything that people are saying is not always right. 14:22.494 --> 14:23.415 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not always the truth. 14:24.435 --> 14:30.958 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll help them to be more confident in their ability to present the gospel and to walk as salt and light in the world. 14:31.678 --> 14:44.503 [SPEAKER_00]: And so, if you're saying, okay, I want to include this in my family time, and our morning time, and how do I do this, and how do I do the home school thing, and I'm just a little bit frustrated, a little bit nervous, as we go into our homeschool year, I want to encourage you to go check out your homeschool blueprint. 14:44.964 --> 14:51.086 [SPEAKER_00]: It is for moms, if you are just even thinking about homeschooling, or you're going into first year, maybe you're a couple years in, or possibly you might be 14:53.027 --> 14:54.388 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kind of reactionary. 14:54.508 --> 14:55.629 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not being very purposeful. 14:55.689 --> 14:56.850 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not being intentional. 14:57.731 --> 14:58.932 [SPEAKER_00]: How do I be more intentional? 14:59.052 --> 15:07.099 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what your homeschool blueprint is going to help you to do that, get things set up, and then all you have to do next year, and all in air quotes, is to actually do the work. 15:07.659 --> 15:16.607 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to help you come along with having a bigger picture in mind, so that each day you get up, you say, okay, I know what I'm doing here, and I know why I'm doing it. 15:17.190 --> 15:21.117 [SPEAKER_00]: You can get all the information that little by little homeschool.com slash luprent. 15:21.358 --> 15:27.148 [SPEAKER_00]: Always try to share as much as I can in the show notes for you as well, so that you can take some next steps for everything. 15:27.509 --> 15:28.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Have a great day.