[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we were just up on Friday, and we're back on Tuesday, a little bit of an adjustment of a schedule, but this is our normal time, and we're able to go live on Tuesday night, which we hadn't been in the previous weeks, just because of my my schedule, but yeah, so we're back, and hopefully we'll be able to do this again next week to talk some or slam, but today we'll preview redemption or tonight, I should say,
[SPEAKER_01]: And also we were trying to figure out we were throwing around back and forth some topics about WWE and I think we may talk a little bit about most of them, but I was actually kind of interested and let's just start here with watching raw.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you wanted to run a big angle on Saturday night's main event like they used to great except this this time, it's just a part of the schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just another event in the schedule.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't really do it in the way that they used to.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm all caught up and by the end of raw had this thought and I'm actually interested in what you thought or what you think in general my thought was.
[SPEAKER_01]: we're kind of running the same playbook as in the last two years.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's almost like Triple H is like, okay, what did we do two years ago?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let's kind of try and redo it in this way because
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's I'm not saying that the usows and Jacob for two and solo and early night and those guys didn't have a hot angle to close.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought it was very predictable what they did and not to say that I could have called every step of the way, but if you, it's kind of like you turn your brain off and you go, yeah, that's kind of just what they would do in this situation.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that Tony Khan is a scientist or, you know, he's doing all of these crazy things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he does pretty predictable stuff too, but I think we've just seen these folks in WWE for so many years and so many shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, man, you know, I would love to see something different, but heading into SummerSlam.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked a little bit about this already.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of what they do.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so here's the question I want to lead off to conversation
[SPEAKER_01]: If Cody Rhodes, CM Punk, Roman Reigns, who else could we put in those net category, the Usos, I guess, Randy Orton, if all of these guys this this time next year are still kind of in similar spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a does that mean WWE business is good or WWE business is bad or not as good, I guess, because they probably won't be totally bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's, I think it's, I think that I would almost ask the question, the other way around, like if WWE business is good, then those guys will still be on top.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's not, then maybe that means they have to put someone else in those spots.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that, and you, the way you talked about it, I hadn't really thought about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they, I think Triple H is, and you know, we, we have this conversation a couple months ago about the GM, you know, just trying to please the owner as opposed to the fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he is more inclined to do the safe thing that is working at
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, an acceptable level as opposed to try to take a chance and maybe improve things and but also with that risk of possibly not improving things.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they replace the Usos with.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I don't even know, like I, you know, I'm looking at, I don't even know who you would replace them with, um, the street profits.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, you know, um, if you're a place who are also long in the tooth, they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I literally just watched a show from 2018 where they were debuting, you know, like that's a long time ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, not as long as the Usos, but, you know, but I mean, you know, like, it's bringing somebody from another, you know, like from somewhere else, you know, like, I don't know, like, I'm just, I'll just use them because it's the first thing that came in my head, not that they're available or anything, but like the guns or something like if they brought in someone, you know, or if a Cody was out and you elevated brawn or if punk was out and you elevated trick, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that are you doing that because the business is bad and you're trying to improve it or are you doing it because businesses find now, but you want it to be better in the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're bringing in new guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're more inclined to do the former of just continuing to go with the pat hand as long as they can, you know, and then, but the problem with that is.
[SPEAKER_00]: is that everybody gets older and before you know it, you know, your young guys aren't young anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing is how long do you wait until you trust trick?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because trick is already in his thirties.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know how old Oba is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's around that age, but a little bit younger.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say like 29.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess you could say, hasn't been perfect, but he's the one guy who they've decided that they are going to put all the resources behind.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's in art segments, he gets over.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wish he didn't lose that match proclosor, then I would say it's absolutely perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: looking at some like brownbreaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just not involved in stuff for right now for whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's almost like Triple H is okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's put you let's put a pause button on you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're going to do this thing with the tag straps, but we know that historically WWE has doesn't care about those tag championships.
[SPEAKER_01]: They see them as vehicles to storylines.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's in this vision.
[SPEAKER_01]: The vision is so
[SPEAKER_01]: just boring and it's all about Austin Thittery and Maxine and I guess maybe we wait for for Bronson to come back.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know Logan Paul is kind of in this weird thing with Tom Brady and maybe we should talk about that as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess it's just like what WWE considers entertainment.
[SPEAKER_01]: is the old stars relying on the old stars because they I'm sure if I'm sure of WWE whatever WWE's analytics or metrics or whatever shows is that those folks are still the right people to be on top.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then celebrities, which they do them so much that I don't think they've ever meant less.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you saw Saturday night's main event and I'm like, Oh, Carl Anthony towns.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a go, Jalen Brunson.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, Tyreys Hall is the first time I thought, I thought that'll, I thought that'll work really well.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the point of it though?
[SPEAKER_00]: to build what to you usually use celebrities to like build something okay yeah no it was more about it was more about look these these famous people like WWE that's what that was it was more like basketball fans go oh no no this is more about the wrestling fans like saying hey we're your legitimate because these guys
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one of those fans, those fans, if they need that to say that what I spend all of my time watching is legitimate, those fans are, and not going to use the M word, but I think, and I think it's also a little bit of a double of triple H and and maybe even the Nikon.
[SPEAKER_00]: saying hey you know what these real life celebrities are fans of our product let's tell people about it because maybe if they think we're cool then that means other people think we're cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and that that has gone on for a long time, but, but I think they're missing the plot, like you said, use those celebrities to further the only thing they further was the downhouse in storyline.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the next one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the next thing you have stars, older stars who've been around forever and have that star power, you have celebrities, which is more.
[SPEAKER_01]: of a backpack in a way to say, oh, look at us, like, yeah, these people like us.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the third right now is Dan housing who I'm not going to say that that guy's not over.
[SPEAKER_01]: He absolutely is over.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I want to watch a segments necessarily?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, do I want to watch him wrestle?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, do I want to watch the curse stuff?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not really, but I can't look at what he's doing and look at the crowd and go, oh, like he's he's not over.
[SPEAKER_01]: are, you know, as he Santino, I don't know where to classify him yet, because there were times when they had Santino finish second in the Royal and in the elimination chamber or whatever, you know, a couple of times.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was a good deal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think they do that with Stan Housing.
[SPEAKER_01]: But.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were what they were doing as they were using him because he had a connection with the fans and the fans really really wanted to see him do well, and then they would pull the rug out from under them.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not really doing that with Dan Housing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see the time coming, but we're not there yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that seems to be their game plan right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I still do not see this giant effort to get folks over who could use all the eyeballs that are supposedly on this company to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And mentioned trick, mentioned brown breaker,
[SPEAKER_01]: Javon Evans, I thought was awesome in the opening match on RAW, and I was like, you know what?
[SPEAKER_01]: If they really cared about tag teams, I could get into Javon Evans and Dragon Lee as a tag team.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I know they don't, so I'm not going to care about this match, and I'm going to skip to the end, because I know what's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, they lost.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, yeah, I knew that everybody knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Javan showed a little bit of aggression in that match that he doesn't usually show and they put, they, they call the tension to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there was a little bit more of a purpose to that match than just beating them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the end of the day, that's all anybody's going to remember is that they beat them and then and then, you know, it was literally okay, they're gone and oh, this is that whole match was about setting up this comedy feud with Otis and Tazawa.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, which is next week and thank god for that because I thought it was going to be on on summer slime and I'm like, are you kidding me?
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, it's it's a raw match because I even made the comment like, oh, this is like a midcard raw match, I think I'm going to put it on summer slime and no, it's going to be a midcard raw match.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, but it was all was another one, you know, like he gets the house to a funny guy house like, okay, maybe not house soon, but is the finish of that match going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Otis pretending to fall for Maxine's BS.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maxine is the one who is made to look a little bit like a fool and then she falls and then Otis goes, oh no, what did I do?
[SPEAKER_01]: Roll up loose.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, I don't know if it's exactly going to be like that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there will be a version of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would hope that it's more like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like falls down, the ref goes to check on her, Austin theory low blows Otis, Braun Spearsum, and then Austin pinsum, and then Maxine gets up and prances around and you idiot Otis, how can I, you ever think I would care about you, you know, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I did, I did some research, and what I was trying to find out,
[SPEAKER_01]: is how many people are actually on these PLEs, because they don't have that many matches for them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like summer slime will have more, because it's two nights and they're gonna have a few more matches, but our random international paper views like five matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if that doesn't mean TV time, they got tons of people on TV time, but if they believe that these PLEs are like the thing, like the apex of these feuds, I thought it was an interesting exercise to kind of look at who's on these shows because my hypothesis
[SPEAKER_01]: was, and we've talked about this before.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of the stars and the scrubs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they have their stars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Their stars are going to be mostly on these shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they have this giant midcard.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are giant baby faces on this midcard.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Jay, who's so I would consider to be back kind of in the midcard, maybe the upper mid.
[SPEAKER_01]: That dude still gets over like crazy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of it because of the yeat, some of it because of the song.
[SPEAKER_01]: at a different level last year than he'd ever been before.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's definitely helped him.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's almost like you got the top guys and then you got like this giant cluster of folks who we kind of think are either there because it's been around for a long time or maybe there's possibility for some movement on those guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's here's that list.
[SPEAKER_01]: I sent it to you so that you kind of saw what I was looking at.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the last two and a half years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we I just start.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just randomly picked 2024.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it comes out to about 30 shows 30 PLEs.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Rhodes has been on 23 of them and he's by far the top person when it comes to being on PLS and that makes sense because he's he's he's cubi one he's their ace he's the champ so 23 out of 30 is it's pretty I'm good number two surprised me until I thought about it for a second
[SPEAKER_01]: Number two is real Ripley she has 16 and she would probably have more if she didn't have a couple of injuries that she that she has.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she is whatever, you know, I don't think in WWE or AEW, the booker sees women as true manufacturers.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't get the spots.
[SPEAKER_01]: but rea Ripley and Tony Storm are at a different level, I think, then everyone else.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it so didn't make, it didn't, I made a whole lot of sense to me that rea Ripley's been on six teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think EO is pretty close to that level too.
[SPEAKER_00]: EO is in the next tier, which is 15, but I mean, I'm just saying like in terms of the reaction, the seeing at a main event level, like as Rhea Ripley, like she's right there, like she may be slightly below Rhea, but but very, very close.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would guess that if you were to measure the trust that Triple H has in both of those characters to carry a main event scene or a main event angle, he probably trust Rhea more, but he probably trusts them both together in a decently because they I think they're really good together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so at 15 PLEs over the last two and a half years, so a half half of the PLEs, you have Becky Lynch, which was kind of surprising to me that she's, but it does make sense because she is the women's version of
[SPEAKER_01]: Seth Rollins or Roman Reigns or whatever, just that older star who is cemented because of being a star for so long.
[SPEAKER_01]: And she, like, I don't, I don't blame her for being in these matches, because she's clearly paid her dues to be at the top of this card.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next, see a punk.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of that is because of injury.
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of that is because he, you know, you don't want to put him on so many shows, just to rustles a little bit older.
[SPEAKER_01]: Drew McIntyre, same thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's your EOS guy at 15.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jay, who's so at 15 as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he got that push and he's been on a lot of these PLEs and then Roman Reigns is the last person at if Roman is more because he doesn't do the B shows very often.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's only doing the big four, big five, occasionally he'll do an an extra one, but
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have a cluster of folks who kind of fit a little bit of what I'm talking about which is either they're kind of they've been around for so long so they still have star power.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a grouping of folks who I would consider to be in that middle tier upper middle tier class those folks include Gunther and if you're going to complain about David to be booking this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: he will I would circle his name because man they had it they had it already for him and they paused they hesitated for triple a human him and brought it right here are the two huge misses this year I think live Morgan some of that is injury but it just shows you how highly they think of her as well I know um lady bees in the chat and she posted something in our discord about a triple-age conversation with live Morgan
[SPEAKER_01]: I guarantee you that Liv Morgan is in the upper echelon of women that Triple H wants to make sure is in programs because he just trusts her as a performer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe her wrestling isn't up to snuff in some eyes, but her ability to be in these segments.
[SPEAKER_01]: and to be charming and to be a great heal.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why she's on television more so than her wrestling and her wrestling is improved.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's she's she's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's okay in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that she's this high and I think you said this was two and a half years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's probably missed at least a year of that two and a half years.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that she's if she'd been active the whole time, she probably right there under Cody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seth Rollins also at 14.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's injuries as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: This one surprised me and it goes to show you how they will push someone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they'll kind of middle-ground them a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that person's Tiffany Stratton.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised to see her this high, because I think she's actually had a pretty poor last year and a half.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the first year was pretty great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you remember, remember that show in Australia, that really had Ripley headlined against an eye jacks, I think it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she was on the undercard, and she maybe got the second biggest reactions on that show behind
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they heard that and saw that and then they programmed her with Charlotte Flair, and I think they did a few PLEs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, the thing with Tiffany and some of these women a lot, the other thing you gotta remember is they have all these multi-person matches and you're always going to use a Tiffany, a Neo, you know, a good worker that the crowd responds to, you know, that maybe isn't going to win, but you need in the match.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Tiffany's always going to be in those matches so that that probably pads are total a little bit too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next, uh, would be Logan Paul, Randy Orton, and Sami Zayn all with 13.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you, and if you were to ask me,
[SPEAKER_01]: out of those three who I would have thought would have been a little bit higher to have been Sammy, but some of that is like this start and stop with him where they heat him up and then they go, okay, like now you're back to the midcard, but we'll grab you when we when we need you again and then we'll heat you up and then, you know, we'll kind of tell you to chill out a little bit and just complain on TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that one surprised me that he wasn't hired in these guys especially because Randy Orton is kind of like the Roman Reigns, the older version, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be saying
[SPEAKER_00]: of those three, who do you think TKO has the most confidence in for the next five years?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's blightly obvious.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Logan, yeah, Paul, but I don't know how long that guy's going to survive.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't either, but clearly, if he wants to, he'll get all the chances in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they have him in this angle with Tom Brady, so they trust him at
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, what do you think of Tom Brady of all people coming into WWE or at least doing something with them?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not surprised, I think the most, the thing I'm more surprised about is the fact that it didn't happen for Romania.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, you know, given that he's, you know, with the Raiders and everything, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm not surprised.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I don't think it's going to be any good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, especially that, I mean, that slap was terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's feuding with Logan who, you know, I don't think he's going to be wrestling any time soon with that broken arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe that's the handicap Logan had to be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Russell with the broken arm.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've also heard, I think Brian and Brian mentioned Tom and Cody against Logan and somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go on a little bit of a rant here about Tom Brady.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm almost certain that I played baseball against Tom Brady, like I don't know 100%, but I'm one year older than him.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're from the same area.
[SPEAKER_01]: He played at a high school that my high school, the public high school beat in the championships.
[SPEAKER_01]: Neither of us were in that game because we were too young, but
[SPEAKER_01]: you know that they are sort of the halves and my high schools that have not and we actually upset them in CCS which was like this giant upset.
[SPEAKER_01]: So one of my really good friends, he played Babe Ruth League with Tom back in the day and his claim to fame and his his friends on Facebook with like Tom, sisters and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: His claim to fame is that when they were playing Babe Ruth,
[SPEAKER_01]: Tom's stomach wasn't feeling too well and so Tom needed to find a place to maybe use the restroom and so he jumped on my buddy's bike and like that's like so they were kind of they knew each other from when they were kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I've I've always kept an eye on on Tom even before you know even when he was at Michigan like before you got drafted to the paths like I always just kept an eye on him because you know when you're live in in a certain area and that person comes out of that you like you just keep an eye on him you remember Tampa Bay raise outfield or Pat Burrell who then came to the giant same thing he's like a few years older than me but he's from this area so I knew a lot about Tom
[SPEAKER_01]: And what is the one thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: What is the main reason why Tom Brady was not a hydrophic?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this a path?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought he was a systems guy, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just a bad athlete.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's he's he's he's mechanical he yeah, he just he he they there's this video of him that they always show doing the running the 40 or whatever or the 100 meters or whatever, whatever they have those guys
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they also have one where he's got to take off his shirt.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, you know, they're using this to say, well, you know, you don't have to be this great God to, you know, to do X, Y, and Z.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not a good athlete.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is coordinated for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's absolutely like 100% a coordinated person.
[SPEAKER_00]: You give that guy a football and you put a helmet on him and he's going to be like he's going to be like John Wayne like he's like he's like the like Wayne Grettski was like that in hockey too like he was he was like six foot 180 pounds and skinny probably couldn't bench press much no but you know you put him on a pair of skates and put a stick in his hand and he's magic and that yeah and and they both ended up being probably the best that
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if I was looking for pro wrestlers, yeah, I'm probably looking to be probably scouts these scouting come.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm Brown Breakers scouting come by and was probably pretty amazing, even though he's not nearly as fast as a lot of those guys are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it'd be between that and the pedigree, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Tom Brady has an athlete inside the ring.
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine he'll probably get the footwork down pretty decently, just not fast.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not that strong.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a little see if having like I can't even imagine him having a real match like he was just walking.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just standing in the corner, get a tag, go in, maybe do a body slam, you know, like, I mean, you know, who look great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, with Carl Anthony towns, like, what he did on Saturday, like he looked awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think he could do an actual wrestling match, but coming in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I give JJ credit for.
[SPEAKER_00]: going up so high.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: J.D.
[SPEAKER_01]: was the one who actually made that choke slow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I'm dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Dom's was okay, but yeah, cats was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, he looked like, you know, like, like Kevin Nash out there, you know, like just, you know, that sort of.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a legit seven footer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you sticks out his arms and kind of reminded me of shock when when he you know, we need to the match with the Hogan, but so I'm not going to say I'm not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not using this to make on of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know what I know what you're saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, this is the last guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: The last time you had like a real celebrity like this, who in terms of real athlete, so I don't even want to make really make this comparison.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what it reminded me of was like when Jay Leno went in the ring and you're like Jay Leno of all people.
[SPEAKER_00]: Drew Kerry was more recent than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Drew Carey just those planks scared and jumping over the top rope too, Dr. Jay Leno actually put hooking in an arm ringer, but he did like, Dr. Ken do a match.
[SPEAKER_01]: or something like one of those celebrities I don't remember, but, you know, at least in the ring Tom Brady will look the part and I'm sure those guys will bounce for him and whoever has tag team partner would do a lot of the work he just has come in make a tag well I don't know what the finish is going to be throws a full ball at the guys head whatever it is, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't think that this is the greatest look for Tom Brady because the NFL looks at themselves in a certain way and it's like, if you're the greatest person in that sport, like, would Michael Jordan want to mess around with WWE in any way?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's way too cool, like he's like, well, that's for, I mean, lady, lady, he wasn't that far off of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he also acted and he also trapped.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, he saw himself as this multi-tiered star.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lady B. mentioned in the chat, a lot of people view Tom as having this midlife crisis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously got the divorce and he's got the kids and stuff, the WWE stuff fits that narrative.
[SPEAKER_01]: For all we know, he's hanging out dating somebody in the business, whatever it is, I'm not sure,
[SPEAKER_01]: how many super bulls do you have like why would you like put your sources position Logan Paul is an absolute goofball he's a youtuber is a very successful youtuber but like on the level of the class of Tom Brady and his sport versus
[SPEAKER_01]: goofy Logan Paul like it's it's just so weird to me that he's even willing to do it and I don't know who would be the class of Tom Brady in football today like what Patrick Mahomes want to like tend to even tangentially be involved in wrestling so that is my thing is I just I'm just like dude like you're so famous and you're so successful
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is like goofball stuff compared to what you did, and then just, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think this is going to go well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not terribly not optimistic about it, but the goal is to get on the SPN.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Tom Brady lives on the SPN.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I'm not talking about for him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what his motivation is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about WWE.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, of course, Tom Brady says he's willing to do something.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless they're given him like doing like stock and a seat on the board, like that's kind of stuff would make sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, who knows what he's even getting, but I mean, let's just do it in a description.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I don't know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So now we mentioned kind of what the playbook is for WWE, if you could pick,
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, here's the exercise.
[SPEAKER_01]: You pick three guys, not even going to, I don't even want to add women to this because women is a different discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe at some point down the line, we will talk about how they build women because they have this like amazing pipeline of female wrestlers that I don't even know if they have room for because neither company really prioritizes women's wrestling at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, given that list that you read off though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, that's my thought, but given that list to you right off.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of women in that list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, WWE because, yeah, of the way that they do these PLEs, it does look like they try and at least have two out of six matches or two out of five matches be women's matches on the flip side.
[SPEAKER_01]: AEW does not, but they're also selling paper views and tonies like so keen on what and what's what matches are or people going to buy.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he should have more women's put more than I think he should actually put women in stronger angles too, like I think some of it is self-fulfilling, but that's his reasoning.
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, WWE's better at it, but it's almost like because they
[SPEAKER_01]: One, they have more women on the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: But two, they're not selling paper views anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: True.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're just doing it for appearances and to make sure they don't get a hard time for not being equal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what you're asking me to find pick three guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's pick three guys.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to, you're going to, you're going to love me in adventures that we want to level up.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we want to level them up.
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, we have to find
[SPEAKER_01]: folks to level down.
[SPEAKER_01]: And who are we willing to level down?
[SPEAKER_01]: So I posted in our discord raw chat the other day.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said to me the coolest guys on the roster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm not including oba because oba's up already.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the the three like the coolest characters that I see,
[SPEAKER_01]: Royce keys, aka, or Will Hobbes, aka Royce keys, Jacob Fattu and trick Williams.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know people think that, well, trick is on his way up, I don't think they really trust him in matches yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's what's stopping him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I would just say, I don't give a crap about what, what the the Meltzer kind of fans care about, I would just put him in main event stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are the three guys that I would pick.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who would you pick?
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and and you want me to say who i'd replace or just we'll talk about who can maybe we'd maybe they'll replace so my three guys would be Jacob fat two
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... brawn breaker and dominant misterio okay actually you know what brawn i i can believe we're at about brawn so i will take back uh... i will take back hops i think hops is kind of the next level yeah hopped i would i would get try to get up to that next level to where like gunther and Logan Paul and damian priest rat now i try to get him up there i don't know if i'd necessarily have met that main event level i just i think he's
[SPEAKER_00]: wrestling a little bit to promos a little bit, you know, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now, if we have to elevate three guys, who are the guys that were okay with putting in, you know, changing their trajectory and bringing them down a little bit?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think punk has to be the first one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was gonna say Rollins before punk, because I just think that punk still has a little bit of cheese left in him as far as, you know, the main event stuff,
[SPEAKER_01]: He is closer to being depush than he is being the top guy, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's that and there's also just, I think there's the volatility there.
[SPEAKER_00]: you know that I mean you know this last time he was gone for four months there were rumors going around back stage ended up coming back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We were told you know there's smoke to that fire but it wasn't so bad that they weren't going to keep using them you know and now he's a little champion you know so I mean clearly they have some faith in him but I mean if you're talking long term like and again I'm talking like if you're replacing him with one of these guys and we're not talking about a mid-carter or even a high mid-carter we're talking about a guy that you're going to build
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you can't have punk in that role.
[SPEAKER_00]: of a guy you're going to build a company around for five to 10 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not even sure you can have Cody in that role.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because he himself has talked about not wanting to do this much longer said this next contract is going to be the last one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Although, I'll believe that when I see it, I think he'll do the scene of thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Roman, for whatever reason, Roman, I think is around the same age as Cody.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think Roman's going to be around a while because I think he could do this schedule for 10 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and he's going to break records that nobody's ever going to touch in terms of, you know, years on top, main events headline, you know, all that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I would say him, I would say I would get J, you so, you know, like as far as high up as he is, I, you know, I think he's done enough and we can cycle him down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I mean, when you're talking about like so I'm looking at Dominic for that like eventually to get to that punk level, you know, and I think he could I think he's got that connection with the fans and then brawn hopefully is like your your baby face version of that like your Cody, I think he could be I mean, you know, the one thing is actually did either one of us mentioned over.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I consider him to already be there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so yeah, cause even though he's not on this list, he's kind of like, and Brock isn't on this list either because he just came back.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, like, yeah, I mean, Oba is, Oba's already there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we can kind of take him out of this conversation, but I think Oba is,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like that's, if you've got a top section with Roman, uh, Fatu, Bron, Oba, that's not bad, like, you know, if you're looking three years down the road, as long as those guys all get to the level you want them to get to, Dominic is probably the the hardest one because I don't think is wrestling is quite there yet, but everything else I think is.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, um, guys like Randy Orton, guys like, yeah, as good as Drew McNarr is, and I think he's awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is proven that he is never going to be taking at the level that maybe you and I see him from a main Avenger.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's less, there's a risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I think the pandemic screwed him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, but the pandemic was also six years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but I'm just saying like that was his window and and unfortunately it got missed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I would position those guys down and I think I think I'd be pretty comfortable with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know Randy Orton's a Hall of Famer.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be able to you can keep Randy Orton in upper middle card stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have to be in the main event at WrestleMania any more for the rest of his career and he's already.
[SPEAKER_00]: However long that is, I would have put the number of Russell manias he's going to have probably over under it's like two and a half.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think he's going to be around much longer.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that was fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just kind of trying to do this experiment kind of live on there.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's part of the problem, right, which is if you want to elevate somebody, who do you have to bring down to do it?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that there's you cannot just have 20 main eventers, you can only have a finite number and they had to be adjusted up and down.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is those guys at the top, they're not going to give up those spots just oh, you need him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you need me to do, boss?
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now here's the other thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you do move those guys down, who is going to get upset?
[SPEAKER_00]: and who's gonna threaten to leave and who's gonna go, hey, Tony Khan, like, I'm, well, you know, I think that's the game TKO plays and they know, like, hey, if we're gonna move Seth Rollins down, there's a real good chance when his next contract comes up, he ain't gonna take a million, five when he's been making four, you know, and he just, hey, I'm four to be in the upper midcard.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, they won't do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They won't do that though.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll let them go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they haven't let go somebody in his Like in his star status.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, that would be that would be a first, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, but the thing is if we're talking a couple years down the road He may not be at the level that he's at right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So They I mean shameless at one point wasn't far off from where Seth is right now
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can look at Bailey like Bailey's an interesting one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, we know what I would see Bailey a little like maybe a little bit higher than the new day.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she's she's been kind of the swing woman or the utility woman for so many years.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like Sammy.
[SPEAKER_00]: like that that's she's a female Sammy very much yeah um our our our friend my co-host Jeff had an interesting theory put out on Twitter today he he thinks that Bailey staying and that uh Sasha Banks is coming back at Survivors series he says it's 90 days after all and exactly and he thinks the angle that they did at fan fest was to set that up I don't buy it but
[SPEAKER_01]: And here's also why don't buy it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm from the Mercedes side, Vince McMahon's about to get away Scott free for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that we've been talking about for the last few years where he's sexually assaulted somebody and is going to be fine and just have to pay some money.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be, he may not be involved on the inside, he's going to be close enough to make people nervous and uncomfortable.
[SPEAKER_01]: And someone like Mercedes, I think, is not about that life, she does not want to be involved in that kind of scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I'm not ever saying she would never go back.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think she may, but I definitely don't think that everybody should
[SPEAKER_00]: at least entertain the idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even if even if her contract was up, I just don't think that she would do it right now, and I certainly don't think they're making plans based on the fact that they think she's coming in.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is way beyond the stretch, but I just thought it was interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they probably always think that they could get the person.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they want.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know what Tony is paying Mercedes But if they really wanted her they could put her in that top echelon of people, but they thought they would also have to push her at that level and
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, they don't handle people who speak their mind very well and I think that would be another I would bet Mercedes is making three maybe more than that three million three four million a year because I think at the time she signed she was the highest paid woman in wrestling so and Becky I'm pretty sure is her and Seth both got deals were higher than three.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for them, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should all be making twice as much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
[SPEAKER_00]: Easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's now.
[SPEAKER_01]: talk about AWS redemption.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about this on Friday, which is just the idea that it's like this lame duck paper view.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking about this because, uh, and actually Kevin Ely and our discord, he compared it to WWE, no way out, which would used to be their February paper view.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you went Royal Rumble, no way out, and then Russell Mania.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you had this like lame duck February paper view, uh, when everyone's just like, oh, we just can't wait
[SPEAKER_01]: And not only did I think about no way out, the one specific no way out I thought about was Stone Cold Steve Austin wins the Royal Rubble in San Jose.
[SPEAKER_01]: He is a Mike Tyson calls him a cold stone Steve Austin or whatever he called him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he on the same paper view, Mike Tyson also called Shawn Michaels, who was the champion at that time, that young tiger, I think he called him, that young tiger Shawn Michaels.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then the paper view after that, there was an eight man tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Michaels will supposed to be on one side.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stone Cold Steve Boston will supposed to be on the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sean Michaels hurts his back at Rumble in that match with the Undertaker.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they have no Sean Michaels.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they're teasing like who's gonna be his replacement?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's gonna be his replacement?
[SPEAKER_01]: It is none other than one Savio Vega was the mystery guy on the on the heel side and I was just remembered that because I was like oh man like how such terrible luck you're coming out of the rumble and these guys are on fire everyone can't wait for Austin get the title on the way you have this funky paper view that sort of exists and you probably wish that it didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what redemption is to me is that it's a paper view that exists because they were going to use it to jump start to kick kick start the the all in main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just so happened that they had to do it a couple of weeks early so now redemption is this lame duck show and we have.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kenny Omega and Kevin night in this match that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe the hardest of the hardcore's are super fired up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking forward to it in a little bit of a different way, which is I'm really looking to see how Kenny Omega is going to make this dude look like a million trillion dollars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's up to Kevin Knight to hold up his end and he's so talented and he's so exciting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to do a good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's also this reaction thing from the fan base.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the latest is.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is it like?
[SPEAKER_01]: Do they have 6,000 ticket sales yet for that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, the last I saw was 5,900, but that was, that may be outdated.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and that's at the Bell Center.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hockey arena that could hold 16,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there are a few things that, you know, I'd be slightly worried about just from the perspective of like we need to get to all in, I would also be slightly worried that Omega is looking at this match as a personal challenge like I need to get this dude over people are looking at this main event as a lame duck main event and I need to make this match fantastic I need to do all of the tricks to to make sure people are into this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not I don't I don't want to jinx him in any way, but I think it's going to be a big effort in that way because he is that type of competitor.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there will be some time between Redemption and all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want him to get hurt.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even want to put that out there, but I think he's going to work really, really hard to make sure that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then he may even have another title defense between those two shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he should, hopefully, if we're thinking the same grand slam thing, yeah, I'm guessing you're thinking about okay, so the other part of this is what the hell else is on the show because none of this is really I would say, you know, when it comes to
[SPEAKER_01]: paper views.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say that we should all just know where they're going with everything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because that would not be any fun.
[SPEAKER_01]: It may be smart business.
[SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't be any fun for us to know every single match, you know, that they're going with.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I'm looking at this card.
[SPEAKER_01]: And
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a few that I think are really natural matches, but then there are others where I'm like, okay, how did we get here again?
[SPEAKER_01]: The one that I'm looking forward to the most is because I like the way that they're telling the story is John Moxie and Will Osprey versus the young, but yeah, that's what it's not like these guys the select they teased any
[SPEAKER_01]: beefing with these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would I would bake the differ.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they've they because they've had the the the death writers have been kind of feuding with like the the dogs.
[SPEAKER_00]: and, or teaming with the dogs, I should say, against the bang bang gang and feel like the lead have somehow got in there at some point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And only that, but I mean, there's a long thing between Moxley and Osprey and the Bucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Osprey was part of the team that eliminated the Bucks from being EVPs a while ago, and I remember when
[SPEAKER_00]: the death writer's thing and it was confusing at the time and kind of still is but remember when they they had that thing with the money where like Chris that liner was old money and the box was supposed to pay it and moxley made them like there's there's history you know like and this is like
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, but you're you're you're asking your fans to pay attention to stuff from years ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, but they're bringing it up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, moxley's in his promones on Saturday.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you didn't see collision.
[SPEAKER_00]: I keep wishing he would at least said we've done this dance.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Osprey said, hey, last time we interacted, I cost you a job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, but I did see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he
[SPEAKER_01]: set it very tongue-in-cheek you didn't say it as if right yeah I still want to kick your ass he kind of said it as I got I'm I'm I'm one up on you guys that's and then the thing is too is is that this now would also like the you know if the box win there on the road to a tag team title shot
[SPEAKER_00]: And if the and and the thing is which you go in this where I tied in the dogs thing because the deathwriters are lying with the dogs and they're Fueating with the bang bang gang and edge in Christian and edge in Christian of the tag team champions.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you you also have that where mox and Osprey win.
[SPEAKER_00]: They now they may be going after the tag team titles and they are in good and good old title shot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, I know care about the tag team type.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I, I, that I don't know, but and moxley's the international champion, you know, like I would rather see moxley honestly on this card defending the international or whatever title he has.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your title, no, the content.
[SPEAKER_01]: So okay, so what I'm saying is yeah, I like the match because I know the match is going to be good and I know they're going to tell us store whatever the stories they want to tell this is the perfect match to do it I'm just saying it feels like this match was made without much hindsight like almost like oh yeah we have to do something and maybe maybe plans changed or whatever I just don't see a lot of like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, little, a little clues that we were getting to this, this area, maybe it's your felt like we were getting omega and moxley like that's what it felt like the match is going to be, you know, and they could have mock on you different ways, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: They were moxley not brave and yeah, they've gotten moxley and Osprey has like this is your final test.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, where you get to the world title like that kind of stuff, which which would have been cool too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with this because I know we're going to get.
[SPEAKER_01]: some interplay, and I know they're going to tell the next part of the story, whatever that story is, and it's going to be a really good match, because all four guys are good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm just trying to be, whether or not it'll be whether or not we'll can pull the trigger when he has us when he was one of the bucks in a vulnerable position, and is he going to hit that final blow?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's that's what I think it's going to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, you know, and I just, I just think that
[SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of talking ourselves into the idea that this was the plan or what it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, would you?
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be because I don't think it was the plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tony looked at his available roster and said, God, I got nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: What can I give these people?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I was talking with.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, going back to what I said, I don't think everything needs to be laid out predictably so that we can write it down for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's fine to have a match that I didn't see coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care about that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that's what this card feels like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I feel like it's thrown together.
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's a little bit last minute and it feels like it's not at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the one match I think that has been put together well and it does have some intrigue behind it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, there's there's definite intrigue.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have people who are on the willowside.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have people on the tecloside.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they are defiant in saying who they believe should win this match to face Mercedes at all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And who do you what side do you sit on?
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I
[SPEAKER_00]: I would go with Willow, even though I'm a huge tech lag guy, but I just think that if your plan was always Willow and Mercedes, as soon as Tony Storm went down, if your plan was always Willow and Mercedes, you stick with the plan and they got there a little bit different way than they originally planned to.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like
[SPEAKER_00]: but and then tecla has an ongoing feud going on with stardom and i could easily see you know she heard doing something at all in with someone from stardom which now means you're going to have three high profile women's matches at all in because you'll have you really see them doing that match on the main show at all in i don't know i would hope so but i don't know
[SPEAKER_00]: If they are planning on that, you really hope they start to bring the start of women over and really, like, or at the very least, you use someone that has a little bit of cashier with the EW audience, you know, and I don't know who that is, but maybe if I see her all know, like, I don't think it would be
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because she's well-known from, you know, from her WWE days and the AWS fans will know or you could probably get away with that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I worry.
[SPEAKER_01]: that again, and we talked about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why Tony maybe doesn't put so many women's matches is because he's trying to sell paper views and this is what his his booking sense tells him.
[SPEAKER_01]: You put three women who the fans aren't super duper who aren't well known to them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see him putting that on what he believes is his biggest show of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's hard to say because I'm not a real big great judge of the start him talent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't I mean, is this not about talent to me?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's no, no, I don't the name.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, who they are and yeah, everything around that and do you have that airtime in the in the months between redemption and all in to introduce these people?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you do actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am of the opinion that I want to see Tecla continue to go, but I also understand that Willow is probably with Tony out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Willows their number two on the women's side.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you want your top two women to have a match, I just wish it was flipped around if Willow's going to win.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish she was the one going for the title and not Mercedes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I'm
[SPEAKER_01]: We also have Mark Davis in Andrade.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just kind of for this match.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, I mean, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the thing is like, Andrade shouldn't be losing, but I also almost feel like that title is a little beneath him.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he should be going for like, you know, a bigger title.
[SPEAKER_01]: the national championship.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, there's nothing wrong with doing matches that could also be TV main events.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have the same problem with a lot of WWE shows where I'm like, uh, it's kind of like a SmackDown main event, uh, but, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm sure some people will really want, really want to see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it's going to be an awesome match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we could have seen it on television, uh, the pain maker against
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean some people really liked that match they had at beach blast and I didn't I didn't so but I would also say you know the heat played a big part of that and they were still out there when it was still sunny out so they get a bit of a pass there, but I don't I'm yeah I'm not I just want to jump in and move on I told Lerocca what my favorite part of that match was
[SPEAKER_01]: it's uh Jericho's blinded, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been sand in the eyes.
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't see Champo comes with a chair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jericho knows just in time that he can see to put his hands up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jericho, that was our favorite part.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm always going to be a Jericho fan from that perspective, but I don't know that I, that we need to see this again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, maybe he'll get his win back and then they'll move on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Or he loses and that's like a statement in of itself is true.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he gets his redemption against Choppa.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to do another match at all in.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is going to be unpopular for me to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Calfletcher and Bandito.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eh, it'll be a really, really good match, but Bandito is the, the pinnator to the stars these days.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to see Calfletcher and Darby, like, you know, and not a bit more intriguing for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought they did something to set that up.
[SPEAKER_00]: on the collision that I covered on Wrestling Observer Radio with with you and Dave that one week.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I you know, I just kept being told, no, no, you know, I'm like, I don't like, I'm just telling you what I saw.
[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a thing that seemed to logically set it up and the funny thing is is Jeff didn't see collision and I explained what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, what would you think is the match coming out of this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I don't know, Darby and Fletcher.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he didn't know anything about like, you just, you know, it seemed to make sense, but whatever, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, this is as random as the moxley bandito match on the last show and that was ended up being a great match.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great, but I don't think anybody thought that indeed it was going to win and the thing is, and the other thing is like, what's Brody doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, they keep bringing Bro Dito back and having them have these awesome tag team matches and then Ben Dito just goes after a single's belt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's weird.
[SPEAKER_00]: Darby also not on this card yet by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to still add some matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, he's wrestling for the TNT title.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, he could beat Kevin night, which, you know, that would be bad booking, but I mean, then you would get a Darby title defense on the card.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, he loses Kevin night because somebody on the cows family interfered and then
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, Jake Doyle, I don't know, who's left?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it seems like he's wrestled them all.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Kata?
[SPEAKER_00]: Darby O'Cotta, that's, oh, they had a match.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not that long ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: He brought a full cottage for mine to me all over again if I wanted Omega O'Cotta on this show.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you see, that would have been great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Harper O'Cotta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, by the way, uh, the, the, the, the for, the for real Shanene Jenkins from a martin from a martin lore is, is it a chat just this baby to be happy to be happy to be hashtag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome Shanene.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, where the hell is swear, uh, he's, he's taken a powder.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll hear about it in a promo in six months and nobody or even nobody's talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's Shanene.
[SPEAKER_00]: You so crazy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the, yeah, the, and, and, and then yeah, with hangman, like, what, what, what
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the hangman thing is head scratching until I think about like, maybe it was just like a dude, can you just help me?
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was literally, I think it was like a one time deal that, you know, because they were in Virginia, let's bring them out.
[SPEAKER_00]: and to have them do like a mission statement, but I don't think like I'm almost positive, he's not going to be on redemption, but I'm not even sure he's going to be on all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yes, I mentioned that and he's going to be on all courses coming on all in, but I don't know, like, I don't see an obvious path for him at all in and in less MJF is going to be back, maybe the reason they had to move the MJF match up with so that he'd have enough time to rest and that he wouldn't miss all in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, and if that's the case, it's like, okay, you got a choice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want me at redemption or do you want me at all in?
[SPEAKER_00]: and Tony picked the, I think he's a better soldier than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: If Tony needed him, he, no, no, it's not about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's about his body.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, like, he keeps, he's not going to be able to do it physically.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I get, I get the pinch nerve thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a broken neck.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you, what, what do you think this story was there?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is giving reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think the reason is, is a lie.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think if you needed to work or rehab or whatever with a pitch nerve, and you gave him a date, I think he could probably do it, that would be my guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, for whatever reason, they wanted that TV's number.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Tony just wanted a rating for that week.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, hey, man, I need something.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really have anything that's.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they got it and they got another one the week after.
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, speaking of Shining, I mean, I could literally do a Martin Lawrence podcast if we needed to, but you know, the first time I heard the term swirl.
[SPEAKER_01]: was on Martin, when Martin's radio producer, who's a white guy, Shanene thought he was hitting on her.
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, Martin's playing Shanene and Shanene said, Shanene is not with the swirl, because he's a white girl.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first time I ever heard that term.
[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever I see that way, in that way, because I mean, I always associated with someone getting their head swirled in a toilet night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't that happen like different strokes or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but yeah, the swirl was the the black one white together.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nice and that's good.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Blake and Blake and Lee.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our boys in Fernandos said Tommy you ain't got no job.
[SPEAKER_01]: See Fernandos so cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows ball.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll get away from the martin stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Caging cope versus the death writers cast as an only in pack.
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I'm just like, this is a really, really good dynamite match to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, and again, you know, the weird thing is, the tag team title match is like eight levels below the non-title tag team match on the show, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you got these massive stars in the books and moxian offspring, and they're wrestling not for the tag team titles, and then you got these four wrestling for the titles.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I always find that weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: So A, W, one said they're going to be at redemption, the disappointed about the main event, and now just made that they've booked nothing as a make good.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I would wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: I, the, the Tony's got to have something else up his sleeve.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's going to be, what, what, what?
[SPEAKER_01]: There's got to be, I don't know if it's,
[SPEAKER_01]: Darby with stinging his corner like there's got to be something that he can pull out because he he note he hears this stuff right like he's not someone who just sticks his head in the sand like he knows that there's lots of folks going like I'm not sure if I'm gonna buy this show like you you even said you weren't gonna watch it so
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I just said I like I will watch it, but I mean, I'm not going to watch it the day of because we have stuff to do and I'm not going to avoid spoilers because I don't there's nothing I really Care about being spoiled whereas normally I'll just get off social media for like two or three days so I watch the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeremy and I I think are going to cover it Monday on the fight game podcast because I don't think I'm going to do the fight game this Thursday because we're
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but I'm also going to see the Odyssey and 70 millimeter IMAX on Thursday night.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was going to push the show to the weekend and I was like, wait, we're going to need a W paper room.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Jeremy and I are just going to do it on Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's what we'll put it in the live feed on F4W.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if people want to check that out, they can.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, so you know, that kind of all leads me to then because do we, is there any more matches we need to talk?
[SPEAKER_00]: There's one more.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think
[SPEAKER_00]: It's sheet of versus my a world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything there before the buy-in?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's only a match right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't have more.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I just say it's on the main card.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I know, I mean, it fits like she has been defending that title every week, but that's a collision middle of the hour match.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am all about if Tony, okay, I will say this, if this match is because Tony sees something in Maya, and he knows that Maya needs big game reps.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is an opportunity for her because she's probably not going to be on the paper view on all in unless they do like a women's casino gone and then or unless she wins a title unless she wins a title and gets to defend you know maybe she depends against Athena at all in and so if this is an opportunity to get her those reps I get it I totally get it except
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if this is the rest sort of that I would put her in to get those big show reps. Yeah, that this, I mean, when they booked originally Mercedes and my, for the pay preview, I did say, you know, the day they booked that match is that this is a risk.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because I've seen a lot of my a world and and I'm and then of course it was like well she's in there with Mercedes and Mercedes I'll make sure that it's good match and Mercedes did everything she could to make that match as good as it could be Yep, there's some differing opinions on how good it was and there's some people that won't even give that opinion But I think it is I think it's
[SPEAKER_00]: a good like a good to very good match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was a great match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was maybe the second best women's match in AW this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you know, different opinions, but she does not Mercedes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I will give credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: She does create it a character.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, she's yeah, the interview team.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the interview review.
[SPEAKER_01]: That stuff is she's up to her game there, but I think the wrestling is degraded.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the wrestling is it's it's declined.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like she's not terrible or anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, they could have a good match.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they get any more than eight minutes, it's going to be trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like Tony is going to be scared to not give them 15 because he's worried about people.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, oh, you only gave the women this much time, you know, and, and I think that match would be better set at eight.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe 10, but if it goes any longer than that, it could be tough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: So tomorrow dynamite will probably learn three more matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe on, you know, and then maybe sometime later he'll add another one or two.
[SPEAKER_01]: I Did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't felt
[SPEAKER_01]: this kind of like home about an A to be paper view and quite a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the last one I can remember is it was one of the forbidden doors.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was last year that you're before, where I was just now, and I ended up not buying it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So what the only A to be one thinks that she
[SPEAKER_01]: make it work because of the smoke and mirror and the candlestick and that's not something I thought about if she could if she really was going to be a heal in this match and and Maya is like the underdog baby face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think some of that stuff could work.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope my expectation is so high on the shows for quality.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that person is right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that, so that all kind of leads into, you know, the thing I had, you know, because we only got a lot much time left, right.
[SPEAKER_00]: The question I want, I brought up and I said, if you were going to be on the conference call and both of us, you know, it's in the middle of our work day, so it's kind of hard for us to be on those calls.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you were on the call and had one question asked Tony, what would it be?
[SPEAKER_00]: And my question for Tony, if I was on that call and if anybody is listening, we have some people into this court that go on these calls, my question would be, before the last paper view.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tony, you said that you like to save the biggest matches for the paper views.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what went into your decision to have MJF and Kenny Omega be on television and then have a match now on TV with far less build that or on paper view that well with far less build that more that a lot of people don't see as as big of a match as MJF and Kenny Omega was.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a honest answer that makes a lot of
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if there's a real reason why MJF couldn't be on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that would be it, but yeah, that would be that if that's the reason if MJF is injured and we want to make sure that He has enough time to heal for our biggest show with a year.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why we did it That would make sense, but he doesn't speak in that language necessarily on those shows and then I guess if I got a follow up I'd say what will be your make-a-do for the further fans of Montreal
[SPEAKER_01]: He probably thinks that Kenny Omega and Kevin Knight is going to be, that the quality of that match and the, um, you know, the, the, aftermath of that match is going to be very, oh, I just, I just know his answer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, he just run down the card and talk to a great all the matches are.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, my mine is a little bit funnier because I mean, I had the opportunity to ask him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't ask him any wrestling questions when I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, I asked him if David Ellison was a real wrestling fan.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, yes, and he told me when he would have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I said, his Travis Hunter going to play both ways with the Jacksonville Jaguars this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, yeah, but maybe not as much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you asked that because I didn't know where Travis Hunter got drafted.
[SPEAKER_01]: The last year though, he's this will be a second year.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, you know, I've lost on my Colorado.
[SPEAKER_01]: So my, my question would be probably a little funny.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be on on max, because you have been tweeting of late saying that here are ratings in our viewership and plus max, which is, which we don't know, I would say blink once.
[SPEAKER_01]: if it is over a hundred thousand in blink twice if it is over two hundred thousand and just be like kind of a joke in that way, but
[SPEAKER_01]: get him to talk about that a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he'll just stare at you and not blink.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no chance in hell that he's going to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I love that I love it if they did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: AWS thing, the Royal Redemption.
[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: AWS says maybe they'll do whatever the Royal Redemption is and it'll
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe Swarve comes back at all in in one of these kind of matches to well, because if they did that, they could say that it's for the world title shot at all out right right, you know, yeah, so and hang or in it, you know, what it what happens to is if he wins a match for a title shot, but he says he's never challenged for the title again, what does he do?
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be kind of non-sensical for him to join the match though, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he has continued to say it is not contractually stipulated.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is just my word.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe he would go for a different title.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know the the other question that I always get on people for not asking Tony is about Brick Baker.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's a way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well Brian asked that question last time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a way to not get the same answer over and over and over again, though I don't I think Brian asking about it is actually fine, but there's a way to do it if you're strategic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just kind of hard over the phone.
[SPEAKER_01]: If like you had in person or if you kind of pulled them to the side or something, it'd be a lot easier to ask it the way that
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I, you know, when I follow the NBA or I follow the NFL, like there's an injury report.
[SPEAKER_01]: And these athletes are very honest about what is holding them back.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, in wrestling, there isn't, like, there isn't really an injury report.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm imagining some of that is because it is kind of the independent
[SPEAKER_01]: you owe the buying public that people who buy all your tickets and watch all your television.
[SPEAKER_01]: An actual answer as to why certain people are missing including Brett Baker being the one that is the elephant in the room because the silence about Brett Baker makes people
[SPEAKER_01]: think more about what it could be rather than maybe what the truth is.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably kind of how it would ask it, but he would be able to give a similar answer, but that's how kind of I would I would lean towards asking it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and he'd say always she was a great world champion and a very good wrestler and I loved working with her and I would look forward to working with her again if she was available.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that would give
[SPEAKER_01]: folks a little bit more, you know, people who aren't really reporters, because you see the questions that get answered in there, or that get asked in there.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like that is a creative way to ask the same question that Brian asked, but maybe you don't have the time or you don't have the
[SPEAKER_00]: Well actually really I I I I liked Brian asking the question and I actually got something out of Tony's response because basically if you read between the lines in that response he basically said she's cleared but we're not using her because he said there's some of the people that are injured and haven't been cleared yet and there's some people that haven't been cleared but haven't come back yet and everybody's got a different story and some of them you'll see very soon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that obviously was Jay White because he was one of the names Brian brought up and, you know, so and then he brought and then, but then shortly after that he brought up willow was asked about willow, Oh, I expect willow to be back very soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing about the Britt Baker question is.
[SPEAKER_01]: about her contract, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because, yeah, is he tacking on injury time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he tacking on other time?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is she out of contract?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, those are things that I think the buying public or at least reporters should be able to ask about.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: did you see the thing with Queen Aminata where she said like her contracts up in February but she's getting injury time at it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how much?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah, I mean, yeah, the to the public deserves cause what what is part of the conversation?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the free agency would WW be interested in her and as she
[SPEAKER_01]: continues to sit on the sidelines at AEW.
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not getting any younger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Does that change her market value for a WWE contract?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just stuff like that where in real sports, you kind of talk about this all the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in wrestling for whatever reason, there's a certain segment of the fanbase was like, oh, I don't want to know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just want to know when they show up on TV or whatever, like those are the people that drive me nuts, but it's part of their enjoyment.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just shouldn't be reporters.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whatever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so hopefully, at the, I think we'll be back next next Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can talk some of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we'll have the, we'll have this to follow up and we'll show the redemption stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other summer's on previous.
[SPEAKER_01]: All righty.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to everyone for chiming.
[SPEAKER_01]: And even Sheney name and Sheney name.
[SPEAKER_01]: It must have some some nice chuckles there.
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And also Aunt who said, uh, GTD, which was a very funny episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: where Tommy had the the the name of women in his phone book and G T D was next to them and Martin was his lawyer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Martin was I think was supposed to be his lawyer but then he was asking Tommy questions and he made Tommy say what G T D meant which was got the draws.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was his way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen as many episodes of Martin as you have a democracy junior.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that is it from here.
[SPEAKER_01]: For Paul, I am WG, we'll see you when we see you peace out.