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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey there Thunder buddies and travelers down Humber Road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's me, your troubadour, upon Thunder Road, Dave Ryan, and I'm joined as I am, each and every week by my faithful co-host.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's staggerally malownly, how are you?
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: And another night night record.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, not so late night recording first, this time.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like, like, a whole seven minutes earlier than when you start a call.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's that's pretty good for us, but maybe so don't be as many honest as time for.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we would want to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I truly think like what's the late, like we've definitely recorded with any two at lock on the morning before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, two straight like, like, they're the ones that think we were going even later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, well, actually, I was like, we, you were still in work.
[SPEAKER_01]: You had a granteau to like, well, like, a week and a half two weeks off or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When everyone was getting forward load, I got like a week and a half.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was kind of three days a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, well, and that was weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you remember this used to be a weekly thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: This show to keep our sanity, to keep our listeners sanity during the pandemic?
[SPEAKER_02]: Just think how far along we'd only be if it wasn't a week to show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh god, like we really cut down on some time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know we did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mani, mani, silly, non-canon shows during that period of time as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've thought about that with a lot of podcasts I listened to.
[SPEAKER_01]: As well as a favorite podcast, but it's very, very, very egotistical with me to assume that this would be a lot of people's favorite podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I've definitely gone back, not intentionally to listen to pandemic era shows, but like,
[SPEAKER_01]: Some shows I listened to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I go back to an episode that just happened to take place in the pandemic and I'd say a lot of them are really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you were to listen to us in like February 2020 and then listen to us, so when did I go back to work like April end of April 2021 then when I first got back in the office, I think would be interesting to.
[SPEAKER_01]: chart our descent into madness and alcoholism at the time because that was like, we had just started actively drinking on the show a few months before the pandemic even happens.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that 15 one period would probably be interesting to it, like you say, follow our slow creep into madness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you imagine if we had the Patriot on the end and we could have written off all that because when we were getting the craft beer boxes delivered to our houses at that stage?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one thing that the pandemic cured me of was wanting to try different kinds of beers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, even you don't do it anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, like the odd time I'll have like a tip on the show, but we won't like do a beers of thunder feature on it anymore, but I don't really drink beer at all now.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will have.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love Guinness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I'm out.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then like still on the whiskey, don't worry guys, we haven't completely changed where we're still faithful to the old water of life, but yeah, yeah, that really having to like, or a batch order like 20 beers at a time, so that I always had a mad selection that I was always doing a different beer.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I repeated beers very often for a while, except I went into that remember I went into that phase where I was into those Franciscan well as red, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: red nails for a while.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was, I think that was the most I repeated myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, anyway, like look at this fondly reminiscing on our borderline alcohol problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, recently in the, in our discord, you know, on the video, we discovered our place.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, not so recently by the time people already listened to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a
[SPEAKER_02]: I went back and went through the whole arc of, again, and I was like, Oh, I had to have to be interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what for them?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably a good time to have done that because like, as he was doing it, the show was still on a high level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so about the act, they actually did say that, you know, it was probably a good time to score the show because now we did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We did it for that listener.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if anybody has any complaints that we took so long off, you could direct your,
[SPEAKER_02]: And they say they found a podcast in September and they just caught up with the free and paid feed.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a real fan not like all those free loaders.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't capitalism.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking about strikes again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and I got notes to feed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: You need this job.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into
[SPEAKER_01]: WCW straight away, shall we?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is going to be an interesting week.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of bits in the observer, but just in we won't get into it here, but just in loose talk, you and I were having it seems like we're going to divert slightly on a couple of segments for ones where we're usually almost completely locked step in a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: except when continuity contrary malone logs on, it feels like maybe it is a couple of segments this week that you and I really differ on the quality of some looking forward to that discussion.
[SPEAKER_01]: But let's talk about what's happening in March of 2000 at this stage in the observer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the worm has turned in terms of Vince's thoughts on beyond the bat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to say, Scott, you told me to order in the year 2,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, and so obviously, we've been charting how beyond the lattice, like had philanthropic releases, it's come out, getting ray reviews.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, it doesn't paint the most favorable portrait of the world wrestling federation nor its owner.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now, Vince is on the attack, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the controversy over the movie Beyond the Math Group this past week when pressure tactics from the WF called the USA Network UPN and the crisp craft communications to ban any and all advertising.
[SPEAKER_01]: of on their programs for the film, while some were surprised at the length of the month, but go to an attempt to bury me, but I don't know why I hadn't worked with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Why did you deserve those in the year 2000s?
[SPEAKER_01]: It has been clear for some time by anyone who understands the with us or against us and no in between philosophy and the man that he felt the movie wasn't with us.
[SPEAKER_01]: If he had felt the power to pressure entire networks, or if he felt he had the power
[SPEAKER_01]: The surprise was that the network allowed to exert that much influence as it regards advertising on non wrestling programming, which shows the surprising power within television of the world could you imagine now, if Paul, all, all, all, all, all Paul tried to turn to Netflix and tell them what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I think they can't advertise Ronda Rows, you know, because she's, you know, could you imagine?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not, not in a million years, especially like again, we're we're not going to kind of because we're recording.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was just saying with the, we're not we're not up to date.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was reading a story today about how would you believe that the whispering is again about how unhappy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the carriers of almost all the programming are with the race is right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was awesome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, something that I thought was just interesting about this like.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they had done the thing in the past where.
[SPEAKER_01]: So TNT and TBS won't air.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a phone commercial at the moment that features devolston and Dilo Brown.
[SPEAKER_01]: And USA and UPN won't air the spring commercial with Bill Goldberg and us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that's not necessarily unusual, but the, like we said, the, the exerting of power where non wrestling programming is now not showing it on these networks is really interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only known example of a network refusing to air commercials for a movie was NBC refusing to air commercials for dirty work.
[SPEAKER_01]: The star of the movie, Norm McDonald, a former Saturday Night Live cast member who had been fired from the show by NBC Entertainment President
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how well you know the story of, I don't know how I'm being fired.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how I'm a story from being fired.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, you know, no, I'm sorry in the sense, but I don't know how you was worked.
[SPEAKER_01]: So an important thing you need to know was that the firing happened in the early to mid 90s.
[SPEAKER_01]: And to place exactly when it happened, I can tell you that one of Don, Don all myers, very good friends,
[SPEAKER_01]: is one orange hall James Simpson okay and would you believe that norm refuse yes yes I will take yeah very famously was getting pressure and to do it
[SPEAKER_01]: him and his writer that the head writer of update at the time is a guy called Jim Danny does actually a great documentary on peacock at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's well worth checking out.
[SPEAKER_01]: If you can find it online called Danny wrote that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Danny is probably.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's probably like he's to know who Jim Danny is that you might know because it broke containment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you don't know how many writers very well is you know the the the the the the meme of Jeff
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's that's a gym day that was gym day only on Conan's podcast Anyway, gym day only beloved comedy writer one of the most like iconic writers of Saturday night I've ever him a norm or given the heave home because they would not stop doing jokes about O. J When the trial was happening and everything like very famously when the verdict came down in the trial Norm opened the weekend of day by saying well, it's official murder is legal legal in the state of California
[SPEAKER_01]: go bless no Like no, there was no one like him, but it's just interesting that is the one the one case of that ever having happened before But it goes to show rights, so that was an NBC president who you're just like, okay that guy has the power to say what happens on the air what happens not on the air
[SPEAKER_01]: it's crazy to think like it's just for maybe our younger listeners just to give them like people think wrestling is big now in terms of we've said this before in terms of revenue WWE have never been making more money and are making out there's never been more money to make in wrestling than there is now at the high level you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: you'll see everywhere that like eight of you are doing like as the number two are doing financially better than Annie number two ever has.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry Eric Bishop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think number one previously had the Annie number one apart from the current number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But now quote quote culturally um you know like I see like resting was never more important than
[SPEAKER_01]: like it had the being big in territories being big in part of you know again like crock it was huge in the territories and yeah like what areas of that and like nationally it was never yet and people would have like with the exception of Hogan to be like Hogan was obviously larger than life larger than the industry.
[SPEAKER_01]: But like people would have a passing knowledge of people like flare and sting maybe Whereas like the haze old names were macho mine because you got the slim gym commercials Hogan because like fucking Hogan didn't fucking rocky movie as well as everything else
[SPEAKER_01]: but in terms of like people knew people watched people kept up to date with and crucially multiple wrestlers would pass the airport test.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like people would recognise, you know, your mom is going to know who Stone Cold Steve Austin is at this time or who the rock is.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, like the rock has built a fucking empire of him being the number two guy in this company at its peak, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just to point them to play jumps, obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's just goes to show that like now like we kind of a lot of people are agely would kind of bark at people saying like it's never been more culturally like the people really try to make fetch happen on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because we're in the bubble of wrestling Twitter, it seems that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely more people talking.
[SPEAKER_01]: in online spaces.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's more noise.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's never been watched by fewer people.
[SPEAKER_02]: I loved that there was a stab at like some decounted.
[SPEAKER_02]: The name Rick Flair our nature boy is in like copious amounts of early 2000s rap songs because his gimmick connected
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say like what I think about the couple of iris that I've talked about before where I nearly completely stop watching wrestling like I think of that kind of um
[SPEAKER_01]: right before the nexus stuff and then in between the nexus stuff and the punk summer of punk are the closest I ever came to like completely pack it in wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, but if you look at the viewership figures then Netflix would crawl over broken glass to get those viewership figures from
[SPEAKER_01]: to have that culture like it was much worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know actually now that I think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I could still watch an episode around them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas I find it completely and watch it.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do they have?
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the potential quality is much higher now in terms of like the level of wrestling confidence amongst the the fired stuff should be much higher.
[SPEAKER_01]: than it was, then, however, it's never worth posting or less popular in the broader scheme of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got the whale thing, like that's another thing, is that you've got the there's way less people ever before watching wrestling now, but they're spending way more money, particularly on WWE.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gentlemen, there's the whole thing with the WrestleMania tickets this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: But look, again, we're off point on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, more from the world of wrestling, we've got, you know, I love dipping into these every month when they show up, but the polling, the opinions, the tastes, the, the takes of the eada listship for wrestling observer lives.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I won't talk about it because I don't know what other episodes run with the first question was of the previous week, what was the
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll be shocked to know that thunder and nitro both only pulled 3% and that's, uh, and that's true.
[SPEAKER_01]: That each, uh, raw got 54%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the, uh, the interesting thing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, three questions that I think are interesting for just the future, like, how, how things, how we know now things will play out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: be a big success, 8%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Flop from the start, 18%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Make it eventually, but struggle at first, 19%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never get off the ground, 27%.
[SPEAKER_01]: And open strong, but then fade, 28%.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd say those two, oh, those two.
[SPEAKER_02]: Strong, but fade is probably about right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It had, like, again, you know, if you watched the ESPN, the 30th or 30 on X, I was talking great, but just phenomenal opening ratings like way better than a lot of industry people would have expected.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it completely fucking once people got to look at it, they realized they didn't like it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so fair play to the
[SPEAKER_01]: return full time a few months down the line, 7%, never wrestle another match, 11%, wrestle only one more match, 20%, or wrestle a few more matches,
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but he did a lot more than Sparrow the Dillon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did a lot more than Sparrow the Dillon.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: He, I mean, in terms of wrestling, like what he wrestles, will more match this year.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then does he wrestle in a little match before the evolution match at WrestleMania 20?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like does he wrestle again for four years?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he does.
[SPEAKER_02]: because they often few disaster but yes yeah so he comes back in 2004 yeah so he restless a bit in 2004 a bit in 2005 and then goes TNI yeah on these whole time a DNA
[SPEAKER_02]: And then he's back.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's back up by low.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to flare a few.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a good choice because I'm actually curious now I didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do this night.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do some some live inside baseball.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also how many matches he had since did the hell the sell?
[SPEAKER_01]: He did wrestle in or wait.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to guess a number?
[SPEAKER_01]: How many matches now?
[SPEAKER_01]: This is again.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is March.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the hell in the sell?
[SPEAKER_01]: No way it has happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so March 2000 should rest of us career.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm going to say cage match has 90 plus matches.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, but it's more than I thought.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me just, it is 47.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a little bit less matter.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, what we have here is, I'll just go through the first few.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've obviously gotten a mountain every corner, with all we don't know where we were them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he doesn't wrestle again for nearly four years.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the Royal Rumble that it has in the four.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's in the ash.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, is that how the things start?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is he take ortum out of that rumble or take him out?
[SPEAKER_01]: They interact in that rumble that don't like.
[SPEAKER_01]: When tobacco is much, it's after, it's today, it's the backlash after the rest of May 2020.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so he comes back at the rumble.
[SPEAKER_01]: The angle goes all the way to May and yet I'm through May.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was supposed to face Orton the December.
[SPEAKER_02]: He disappears from December true, the rumble.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And.
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a random crisp and wall make folly show Michael's and Shelton versus evolution match just before back last just the back last match and if I gave you a hundred guesses you would not guess the next three matches or you know this is the next four matches and then we'll still
[SPEAKER_01]: No, next five.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to do a laugh.
[SPEAKER_02]: I get some of these, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, no, no, three of them are outside WWE, but you will never guess who his first matchback is a year later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so a year post backlash.
[SPEAKER_01]: A year post back.
[SPEAKER_01]: A year and a half post backlash.
[SPEAKER_01]: So he goes for it to be to be.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, that is the inside WWE.
[SPEAKER_01]: OK, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't wrestle between backlash.
[SPEAKER_01]: If WWE doesn't wrestle between backlash,
[SPEAKER_01]: coat from her liso.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh fuck what yeah but the other the other matches I got to give you these right so he's next his next match after backlash he wrestles a month later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay I will tell you where and what it's for and see if you can guess the opponent.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is in Yokohama
[SPEAKER_01]: It is for the triple crown.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Toyo Kail.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is makefully being losing efforts to Toshiyaki Kuala.
[SPEAKER_01]: That didn't happen.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's also true.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: a year later.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is he goes for mate as and for nothing, until mate as and five.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wins the tri-city's tag team title.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: As him and the franchise Shane Douglas defeat, I'll snow and deal
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a collection of man, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then in August of that year, the midnight express Bobby Dennis Connery and Stan Lane defeat Mick Foley, Dory Funk and Terry Funk at WrestleMania Union 2.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I give you the one, so after the curly O'Latch, I just need to read out these names, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He wrestles at Universal Opera in the Coventry Skydome.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, let me think, dude, he, it's a six-man tag as what I'll say.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying to think back to the fuck the team on that show.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to guess.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would say at least two of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an eight-man tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big foley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hall Trevelle.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Steve Carino.
[SPEAKER_01]: and the Sandman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus defeat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: So 2005 England, who's the one person who's bookin' themselves in a malachame?
[SPEAKER_01]: Alex Shane.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I knew Alex Shane would be phones.
[SPEAKER_01]: Iceman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Martin Stone.
[SPEAKER_01]: and sticks weren't stolen or then exceed him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then there's nothing till the December that it like the development month he is just to sound too much because it's holiday with the troops Mick Foley to feed JBL.
[SPEAKER_02]: That has to be too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wrestles Carlito again on a house show in the Philippines in February and then he's straight into the edge for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jesus Christ.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had to like, okay, we'll give you the edge feud, but you have to suffer through too much as the carolero first.
[SPEAKER_01]: To be fair, there will probably be easier as much as a phone's fucking career.
[SPEAKER_01]: Back on to what's happening in the world or else, like at the moment, would you believe Sabu is doing again, would he see it, I believe?
[SPEAKER_01]: Hang on, that was under last show, you said that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, though, this is, well, Dave is saying now, his, it now appears, Sabu is doing with the company again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the next question is how everything will wind up at the 3-4 ECW Arena show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sabu was actually given a script, something heyman never gives on anyone, which called for a match in the arena where it would start out a super crazy versus CW Anderson.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sabu would interfere and put Anderson through a table leading to crazy getting the win.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cyrus would then order crazy versus Sabu for the TV title tournament.
[SPEAKER_01]: After crazy, CW had already beaten Anderson in the same first round to make the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: to make crazy the big underdog, and Subbu would miss a tablet spot and crazy would pin them after a moon salt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Subbu, who was dressed when he got the script, left the building with John Moore, a gay B.V., saying he wasn't going to do the job.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty clear that Ham and New ahead of time that Subbu would never put over crazy, because Subbu is still in that headfire mentality about doing jobs and he
[SPEAKER_01]: Heyman playing when they talked during the week, Saboo told me I wasn't going to do a job, which is why Heyman laid out a script basically to cover himself if and when this goes to course.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that Saboo told him he would be wrestling in calorie on three, three and couldn't make connections back for the easier we were in a show.
[SPEAKER_01]: So Heyman also had to be figuring if a story would play out that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, shocker, who fucking Karen is trying to Oh, Karen, you're the one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's no surprise that it's ended in stalemate again.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I needed was history between these two and stalemates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who could have possibly seen a coming?
[SPEAKER_01]: Who?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not I, uh, wait a hear this right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the super brawl buy rate, we're over to WCW now.
[SPEAKER_01]: The super brawl buy rate is coming in at those are to point one five, then point two, which is by far the lowest buy rate ever for one of the big two companies.
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact,
[SPEAKER_01]: It is lower than most ECW buy rates, considerably lower than triple-aded in the, and in the range of what UWFI and K1.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they have no television.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact this was done with Hogan and Flair's first paperview back after Monst speak's volumes of this company needs an entire facelift at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're better off biting the bullet for a while would quarterly paperview shows.
[SPEAKER_01]: that they spent three months billing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I disagree with Dave here because I don't think I would trust to be CW to build something for three months, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: No, especially not with Vince Russel, all his way back in the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: All to their so obsessed with Monday nights, they couldn't possibly focus three months down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, speaking of you were like, you're about to bitch off as a
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you want to say, Ruzel's babysitter and never has a man be more obsessed with popping ratings over and everything else?
[SPEAKER_01]: To put things to perspective, WCW is estimated company gross on this event was $773,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's barely more than WF grossed for their raw house show in Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unless and what WCW had grossed for a few of its biggest nitros in the past, even within the company, the feeling is uncensored will do even worse.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which I'm pretty sure they're spot on a match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of notes from backstage at this very film that we're about to talk about, and I will try to dance around spoilers being included in here, but I thought that was a couple of interesting things.
[SPEAKER_01]: See the no show this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will talk about it a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The reason Ray was here is because for some reason, you want to talk about the right hand up, no, what
[SPEAKER_01]: They thought he could wrestle, they thought he was cleared.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was able to work a little.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why they called OTV not realizing he had reconstructive surgery.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had these three months away from coming back.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just fucking compliment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of talk about what they should have done with them here on this show, but we'll get into it.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Atlanta Journal construct a constitution on three, three round of series of articles on the WCW on the lawsuits filed by Sonny O'No, her body Harrison and Bobby Walker on the declining ratings and on the lawsuit chains, Shane Douglas is threatening to file.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was nothing groundbreaking in these stories, besides claiming discrimination, they were suing claiming their independent contractor status was illegal, fucking playing the hits.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they were those denied employee benefits, such as vacation and sick time.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walker is still under contract WCW, but complain that if it wasn't for racism, he could be babyface with a big push.
[SPEAKER_01]: Walker said he was told by management that there weren't enough black people watching wrestling to push me.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said he's not true.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's only because there aren't enough black wrestlers for fans to follow.
[SPEAKER_01]: Alan Sharp claimed WCW demographic show the 87% of the audience's voice, which is a higher percentage than the national average of 83%.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, who earned $160,000 for his role as manager.
[SPEAKER_01]: He earned far more inside deals as a liaison which pun and negotiating contracts were foreign talent and getting a coat.
[SPEAKER_01]: All of a sudden he was upset with the pay disparity.
[SPEAKER_01]: The average WCW salary for a wrestler during this period of time is $300,000.
[SPEAKER_01]: Average.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was more of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you said that now about WE, you'd be like, okay, fair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, to be like, again, with the ballooning finances, that company, but this is a company that's hemorrhaging money.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sure you have to wait just for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100k, he was more offended that the Asians and Mexicans were predominantly given heal rolls.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, complain that WCW never had any minority writers, which again, there's a shock.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got then one last little update on two well known figures in WCW.
[SPEAKER_01]: WCW and the big company are planning a publicity campaign to build for Goldberg's return in April.
[SPEAKER_01]: The plan originally had been for vicious to be portrayed as a dominating champion, Goheal and lose the title to Goldberg.
[SPEAKER_01]: The plan was then given to turn as money, hot baby faces as possible, Heal and feed them to Goldberg.
[SPEAKER_01]: The my god.
[SPEAKER_01]: So not like having room through any of our heels and then turn them baby face to an audio baby face.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still all our baby faces feet, turn them heel feed them to go over and then leave the mystery.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you before you go on, what baby faces?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this immediate in my head and just like fuck, Booker was definitely on that list.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like who's there, Sid?
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you'd have to, we'll say, well, we'll talk about this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: We would have to say like, and it's more a mistake, and not everybody else than him.
[SPEAKER_02]: The vampire was, yes, that was waiting for you to see if you'd go down here or second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's the second most prominent baby face at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out at the end, but like I said, Booker.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Booker is not being pushed as a big deal.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Hogan, but they're not like, I assume that this is not in the living Hogan, like he's not getting fed to Goldberg, he joking me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, actually, funny enough, let's go to the next sentence.
[SPEAKER_01]: The big question right now, it's Hogan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hogan going heel at this point could be a career killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: And staying going heel against Goldberg is even more likely to be a career killer.
[SPEAKER_01]: Seeing as is close to dead anyway.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the feeling is he won't go with scenario since the end result is him having to put Goldberg over clean if it's done right That's not going to work for him brother.
[SPEAKER_01]: The debate seems to be whether to debut Goldberg on the pay per view on 416 or on the Nitro on 417 But the feeling that maybe leaning towards Nitro because nobody is watching the pay per views right now And then our final update on somebody allegedly returning Bill Bush got the word this past week that Brett Harris would be back in July at the earliest
[SPEAKER_01]: Harris received no other of the 2016 his pay was caught in half and that was a four 15 he can be fired bush told Harris that he had no pay no idea his pay was caught and that was something that was done by the legal department and that they'd work it out when Harris comes back to Winnipeg song had lengthy article on Hertz condition saying he doesn't remember what he did on Christmas or New Years he said it's been hard on him that some people close to him don't believe he's re injured then actually missing the wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... hard also asked about maritime acceleries incident where he has Donald uh... brochure in the head with a hockey stick and said that he thought it was negligent and it's pretty damn close uh... whether you're not the cops get involved uh... it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it
[SPEAKER_01]: at this point has no credibility to start to get over as a demotion that mixes.
[SPEAKER_01]: So just all interesting points go for it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Brett is seen on TV until the finish of Rousseau's revenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: And is he ever seen a game after that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe once or twice?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he doesn't rest
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, he comes in these screws as a Goldberg screws.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bellberg, I think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a match wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not really sorry for spoilers for Rousseau's revenge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, interesting, I think it is interesting to see where they're, they're already thinking about the link between Vampiro and staying, which I think would happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've been thinking about that for weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Stingom Vampiro, Stingom Vampiro, Stingom Vampiro, Stingom Vampiro, Stingom Vampiro, Stingom Vampiro, Stingom Vampiro,
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, shall we get into a body?
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get into one o' tree.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is thunder one or three from Winston Salem North Carolina 8th of March 2000 with a 1.9 rating, uh, which is down by 0.1, uh, we get no cold open straight into our new terrible but rock opening and I will keep giving it about the new opening to thunder because it is I didn't
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of the things, there's a lot of things I'm getting clear and clear memories of watching the first time around when I was a kid, but I'll tell you what, I complete the memory holes.
[SPEAKER_01]: This new version of the thunder in general, memorable at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a way how you would you remember as a child.
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I will say in the greatest lie, Mike's name as maybe ever told us.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's at the tonight, we will get the answers to many questions that people are having.
[SPEAKER_01]: about what's going on in WCW right now, which we would not.
[SPEAKER_01]: We open straight away with a cruiserweight title match as the flat tax sovereign himself, the artist's former known as Prince Lake here, takes on a man we have not seen wrestle for quite a while on this podcast, as he coasts us.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's since the cruiserweight tournament, so he was in and they're not in and then back to again.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's accompanied by
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you noticed that the last little while Ikea seems to be settling into what I would call the orange Cassidy role on the show, but with far less justification, like I can imagine they're looking at big data in the NVCW at the time to go, oh yeah, he's popping a rating at this era, but remember there was that like, I think it was the guts of a year where like orange Cassidy opened every time yes, because he was popping a rating.
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that looked a different pre-consistent with a tough copy since the cruise rate tournament.
[SPEAKER_02]: Stay thinking, given them that, I won't call it a massive push, but he's been, he's one of the most successful.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's most consistently featured consistently booked and he's like, he's been mostly winning.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, whether by shenanigans, banana peel or whatever, still winning.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he's one of the credit box, there are problem is he's awful.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, again, I think we said it before haven't we that if like, if the act was given to somebody with even like a centilla of charisma, it probably would have gone like hog while crazy over.
[SPEAKER_01]: And but the fact that it is getting over and this is how I remember again from my childhood.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is how our member prints like you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, how over is a print tribute act going to get into you two thousands?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like I can tell you from 10 11 year old me watching this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I had no fucking clear what almost any of this was in reference to.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was probably aware of prints, but you know, I wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: tuned into Prince because they would have a drummer they did the re release of tonight we're all a party like it's 1999 in 1999 that was probably the first time Prince can cross my radar growing up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then like a lot of cultural references to him being referred to by a symbol or a source for me known as he's one of those pop culture figures that because he came slightly before yours and mine time, we act first, mostly consumed him through references to him and other things.
[SPEAKER_02]: True to me, almost.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, basically.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like this memetic distillation of like we had a summation of who this guy was before we ever actually listen to purple rain or anything this guy went off and made weird movies with all this fucking band by some.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I said, I don't think there's any data going in to make this I think it's just vibes.
[SPEAKER_01]: And tonight tells us to be three title matches on this car.
[SPEAKER_01]: They show us flashback that friend Prince basically tried to fuck with their.
[SPEAKER_01]: who the Encyclos is business on Monday that they battered him.
[SPEAKER_01]: The juice comes out just rambling as whole off.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then attempts to ambush his way on the commentary while talking about Livin Levita Loka in case you were wondering what year this program was broadcast him.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says Livin Levita Loka at least four times.
[SPEAKER_01]: Today says I think we have something better than the juice.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did pop.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then, again, I think before he even came out before he basically said it and took the air at the blue and I was like, wait, this timeline doesn't match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it doesn't match up at all.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't match up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's not back.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, that's what I was like, I've only met, we hold a Rey Mysterio commentary earlier or something.
[SPEAKER_02]: They got to see what he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I just wrote what and it makes so much sense that like, but it doesn't make sense why they thought it, but it makes so much sense that they would book him for a segment on TV if they thought he was back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's totally on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: I though they thought he was back when he definitely wasn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, it also makes sense of dimension he got last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah, they were setting up for a turn that's not happening until the summer.
[SPEAKER_01]: like almost immediately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, firstly, I did laugh at like brain trying so hard to be in the heel commentary role, uh, because there's no way there's like the least sincere thing he's ever said when uh, to uh, was it, brain goes, I prefer who be the rain out here to make us speak for yourself, but he just goes, I am, which I thought was really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, see
[SPEAKER_01]: But like almost immediately, I like Ray and Ferris, it's probably like he knows he's just like, okay, I need to say this straight away before we look at too excited.
[SPEAKER_01]: He just goes, yeah, I'm still like three months away from coming back.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, don't get your hopes to pay a kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he says, when I come back, I want a shot at that title and I deserve a shot at that title.
[SPEAKER_01]: camera, the director was more obsessed with who the trying to come on to paisley than anything that was going on in the ring for quite a quite a period of time here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, so he could get a visual role for visual pin on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will say he looked good.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why like we're reminded we were Saberatlin for him the whole way through the first couple of years of this show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a guy that should be in the Orange Castle Rose.
[SPEAKER_01]: You put sickos as out there against anyone in this division and he's gonna make the look good.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is about the most capable you're going to see Prince look him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, like you said, he gets a visual painting on him, so it's not like, to know, it's not nothing, but it's still kind of like, ugh, I didn't want them to get fed to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: This should have been one of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have loved this if this was a he got he actually pinned the champion in a non-title match and set himself up.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those like, yeah, this is the problem with the own title.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like every time a champion like they're always a part of the match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say Ray as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: God bless him.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the greatest to ever do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so Prince Gates caught in a hole.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like a, uh, a surfer or something like he gets caught in something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, and uh, he gets bonked and Robinson, um, roll up other after the roll-up, you spoke of happens when the ref is bombed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Who he cares to three, they celebrate Charles wakes up, corrects the score.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was a disqualification with
[SPEAKER_01]: off to a bad start because you are basically in your very first match on the show, making the crowd mad at your booking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, where do you mad?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it did feel like, okay, mad, might be a bit of a stretch, but it felt like, ah, they thought they saw something remotely interesting and then we're told, no, no, no, you didn't see that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe, maybe you were mad for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love to.
[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't think people care about the artist and they shouldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they show some of the upcoming matches on the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: And let me tell you, some of the graphic renders they have for these guys horrendous horrendous.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like these are guys like it's not like, okay, at this time and with technology, I would understand if a load of these guys you were showing graphics off, it's like their first night in the promotion.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you haven't had a chance to get the official company photographer to take like good high-res photos of them to use your graphics.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, like this is all due they've had for months, if not years on the roster and like all the photos are completely inconsistent in terms of lighting angle.
[SPEAKER_01]: How they're the images are stretched to cover the area.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking a bit like it's proper graphic design is my passion stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: We do get a line in here as well about how the viruses were recently bailed out of jail.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably should have left him there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bum bum backstage apologizing to Gormbar.
[SPEAKER_01]: The two of them are in neck braces after last week's talk more on that later.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lex backstage telling Flair the iron is dead weight and he's still her nose in their business and
[SPEAKER_01]: Next, hopefully, let us sound the preposterous sarcophagus claxum as the demon takes on idle.
[SPEAKER_01]: And as if the special main event at the vape view wasn't enough of a fall from grace or a burial.
[SPEAKER_01]: As if the idea of just having to wrestle idling the competitive match on a thunder wasn't enough of a fall from grace or a burial.
[SPEAKER_01]: This fucker gets stuck in the casket during his entrance, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, this is the thing, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's worse, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's one idea is like, this is becoming a shock master level bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hmm, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's one option and that's bad.
[SPEAKER_01]: The other option is he genuinely got stuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: And their response to this is instead of to cut away to the ring or like the crowd genre where they figure it out, they held the shot on the sarcophagus.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they started talking about it on commentary on a tape show yeah but what's really funny like especially for you better is they had a video package ready to play because like as soon as he gets out they cut to the package yeah okay oh yeah like so this is like weather he genuinely got stoker not definitely the mission statement is
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a bit at this point because this is not the forest time they've had the the coffin stick and plus like he's in a comedy team that Norman take him laid laying a lot of like yes uh laying um laying joins commentary uh he calls Miss Hancock a risotto as she comes in which cool
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he pretends to help her onto the table and then a scorch right remind me, Lee, have we, so she started the dancing gimmick on the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I have a nontonner yet.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I mean, like she's this is like the second time she's he's doing it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: But she hasn't actually dotted on to Andrea.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she only shown me like stands for Tony.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the show that gets the bigger ratings, they'll do it up.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like marginally bigger ratings at this stage.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's not a huge difference anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And here's a world far.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: All you do didn't look awful in this much.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't think so.
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, it takes a lot to carry the demon to something that isn't hugely embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, fair play, but like, I don't think either of us really ever had
[SPEAKER_01]: Like all our beef that we may have had with Lenny Lane or with Lodi back in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of it really was based on the drink.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, it's not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was just kind of like, we don't often see lonely idle actually get time yet to have a match.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he usually like when he was a bit rave and he was just let's just get in the room.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So demon gets distracted by all the stuff going on with with Lane and Miss Hancock.
[SPEAKER_01]: Get to jump it idly.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's it beating on him?
[SPEAKER_01]: Snapsuit flex.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paraslam for two DDT.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hancock is back on the apron back in the eye low over makes out with them at demon hits his move and wins Then lane hits a miss obviously watching his lane tape back in the day hits the school crushing finale Don't you do not what he calls it the trip down memory lane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes Great much better than school crush.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and Ali Another DDT Norman comes out close lines wiggle hits his awesome wind up scoops lamb
[SPEAKER_01]: then he gets attacked by lane while he hits a big wiggle and then lane hits and while we're can only be described as a flying earths yeah that's definitely the only way you could describe that move.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think backstage he's mad at Luger calls him a cheap-shotting body builder and he will make this all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bam Bam is obsessed and he's coming out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we reach our first
[SPEAKER_02]: Can I just say, just after having back-to-back segments with Kurt Henning and Bam Bam Bigelow?
[SPEAKER_02]: This roster is old as fuck.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, washed man.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now what I'm going to say is I will describe this as a segment of two halves because I didn't care for this at the start until the wall arrived, okay?
[SPEAKER_01]: And my one, I suppose, quibble and to be consistent with last week that I will say, and this is maybe where your angle that it comes on, but I will give you your chance to area grievances or not with this segment after is we really loved the him wiping out crowbar and flare last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should have stayed off TV.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, absolutely priority one.
[SPEAKER_01]: We knew even saying at the time that they wouldn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do think the second half of this segment, given that they had already made the decision to put these two guys on TV the week after I enjoyed a lot, but we'll get to it in a second.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, bam, I'm coming.
[SPEAKER_01]: We see a replay of him having a disagreement with the wall to again, my best description for this is the wall slapped them through a table.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he calls out Gormer describing them as two of the toughest SOBs in the company, which I think says more about the company than it does about them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I had written that like, even though I wish they were off TV, I'm actually surprised that they were even selling the injuries from last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought they'd just come out fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,
[SPEAKER_01]: I, like, for the first few seconds, I thought they were going to show a replay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's something else that happened to them on Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, no way are they holding the, it's selling for a week.
[SPEAKER_01]: No way in a company.
[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't consistent.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bam Bam, by the way, I think on two to three occasions, refers to Krobar as Krobar.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bam Bam says he's looking to be alive as his gourmet city of David's lair.
[SPEAKER_01]: Bam, I'm feels bad because in,
[SPEAKER_01]: You were talking about like a really trying to do a Lord drop after the fact, it just smacked of one of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to put stakes into this angle and history into this angle to make people care even though they already have decided that they don't.
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, you should all know, I broke the wall into this business and I brought him to BCW and he's the godfather of my youngest daughter.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like this is all stuff
[SPEAKER_01]: never been mentioned before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never been referred to before these two had no history never interacted before that slot through the table as far as we know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So how did the silent supposed German man become Bambam's daughter's godfather?
[SPEAKER_01]: You tell me mate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is when I started enjoying things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: As the walls music starts to play.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did he have music?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just walked in.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was the tune.
[SPEAKER_01]: Chum, chum, chum has started that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the wall of the other music.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Commonaries says they're helpless.
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't do a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is great for two reasons.
[SPEAKER_01]: One, we've talked a bit before.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are the funniest tropes in wrestling?
[SPEAKER_01]: Is people trapped in wrestling, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, love it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brilliant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, don't get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, can't get out of the wrestling ring and Bobby Hean and his line of the night when the when I think it's today says their help us they can't do with thing little bit of Paul's bringles, they couldn't even do a thing when they were healthy though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then wall gets in the ring and fucking lays waste all of them.
[SPEAKER_01]: He roots crowbar, clean out of the fucking chair, which ruled, like he just hit a big bruise on a crowbar, can hurt those backwards across the ring and wipe out on the floor.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, to be fair, I think you're almost doing it in doses because he gets into ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he takes the mic from Bambam, like he's about to speak, and then just begs him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he torrents and then the two ladders will kind of miss out on the chairs and only able to move over her cells is like he got shot with a shotgun through the chest.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the other two guys are frozen in horror.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a John Mooboo.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Obama gets choke slammed off the apron through a table.
[SPEAKER_01]: tears the neck brace off David, then tears it off crowbar.
[SPEAKER_01]: He fucking spikes crowbar with a chokes lab.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then choke pushes flare off the apron onto bomb.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then my favorite part is as he's walking off, we hear the first ever utterance from the wall where he just says week.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it ended on the least
[SPEAKER_01]: but I thought from the moment walls music started playing this segment ruled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas like, okay, if you're finally deciding to push the wall, he should not be tripling with these three.
[SPEAKER_01]: They should not be giving him a moment's issue.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should be coming in and wiping these cons out, breaking a sweat and then walking away disappointed that they didn't find a week here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that part is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything up to us and the fucking Bam Bam Lord drop,
[SPEAKER_01]: dreadful, but that it fucking ruled.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just give me a fucking large man beating the tar after these fucking dweaves.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was fun.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, I could do it as you mentioned the Lord drop.
[SPEAKER_02]: I could do it out the back story.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, now he's coming in and
[SPEAKER_02]: a highlight of this show, but where I take issue what you had said is that it's one of the best things we've seen on Tondar in many, many, many, many months.
[SPEAKER_01]: I will still stand by that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say it's in the top 10 Tondar segments of the last six months.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's, that's one of the best things I ever see in my life.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that you do full-on voice on crowbar being hauled off.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the only thing that would be better is if they haul them off in the sarcophagus, the demon sarcophagus, because he'd simply been killed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, if that was, they did it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking perfect segment, new boom period for this company.
[SPEAKER_01]: Brilliant, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's number one.
[SPEAKER_01]: tell me what the other like you need to go with nine segments to push this one out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it is I will grant you it's a little bit it's in the top 10 or maybe the top 5 by default.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well I do believe I'm technically correct that this is like the second half of the segment is one of the 10 best things we've seen in months.
[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a pretty fucking bad period.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, like what month do we remember actually that wasn't so you can talk and back to September 99.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there's what I'll say is the tree I'm putting in there are that segment from last week.
[SPEAKER_01]: This segment and then there's a promo later, which I really liked right, I'm putting the three of those in and I think the other seven moments are.
[SPEAKER_01]: six seed beatings someone down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that one time GABA Jerry Flynn where he just flies on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, see we haven't had enough time GABA recently.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's probably one of the issues.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, like I said, it was a good segment.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I find it difficult to call it one of the best segments we've seen in X time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was super like, when we've been watching the walls since he debuted with Berlin, I remember Berlin and the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember them not being together anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't remember how bad the breakup was, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's how I
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, yeah, I remember being really into the wall, like at age 11.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why the fuck?
[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect, in fact, he's a huge country joke slams people.
[SPEAKER_01]: Was all your really into a major level.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, if they just, it makes so much sense to me how some of these people, because you're going to talk about veto as well, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, really, really into veto at some point in 2000, and maybe really have to chronic into 2000 as well, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like,
[SPEAKER_01]: because I bet I will bet you anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're about to go into months of segments where the wall just feels that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's the fucking, it's out of people.
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, that is a perfect use of the wall.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He shouldn't be wrestling.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck no, no, he should just come out and fucking lay ways.
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know what he would have been perfect in if he came around six years later?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if he had fucking, he had come out like fucking Godzilla Reckon Tokyo every week on TV, this guy will be World Champion.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'd have won the fucking ECW title instead of fucking Big Show.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, 100%.
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have been pushed over Blaster Lashley.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Blaster Lashley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I remember Blaster Lashley.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, let's not talk to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: What do I go back up looking weird was this Hogan promo by the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: They showed us a Hogan promo where he was just basically this is more than Straps Well lost that fucking mind this this is what week tree of Hogan pre tapes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'll show them the same day obviously And yeah, it's just weird man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He did like this whole era of Hogan is weird
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it really is like I'm thankful he comes back because we wouldn't get the full colossal shit show that is bashed the beach to you there, isn't it?
[SPEAKER_01]: He just walked on the company when he left last time dreadma episode on so looking forward to it mate like I have dug back at my copy of WCW like copy of Nitro I like I will be it'll be the most well researched I've ever been from week over that shit
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm not sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing here is why I've been thinking about this and I know you're not going to be open to this But I'm going to try and push that you know, and hopefully Aaron Quinn will will just bully you into doing it by now By the time we get there.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think I will cover the observer and the books and stuff like that
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should have to listen to the podcast clips where Bishoff and Rousseau talk about Bash of the beach 2,000 to give their perspective on us, is that hang on, does that exist?
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're not together, but I'm all those, I'm certain Bishoff has to get a better.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like, Vincer's are just can't shut the fuck up.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, ever about anything and I have no thing was his fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I he guarantee he has talked that length about it somewhere.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he had least briefly talked about it in very famously.
[SPEAKER_01]: He did a wrestle crap interview with already Reynolds.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's just going to save the years ago.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I have hasn't he done so many interviews where he's contradicted himself at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, dude.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember brown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my buddy in school.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, comment to me, just go and
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, like, I listened to that recipe up interview.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, man, that's true, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: He sounds like this guy's just a victim of circumstance.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, Fin's true, so.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, like, I love R.D.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to listen to this interview.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's absolutely no way is he telling the truth at any point if you think he's coming out as the innocent bird here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not for me to say that talking like Hulk Hogan is, you know, and anyway, it's, it's, it's, we'll get to it a bunch of things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's more of a situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more of a situation.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked on this foil.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everybody involved in the break.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you say we're not going to spoil it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, there hasn't been a fucking nine hour podcast on the better part.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh, mate.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, I think that is going to be our first two-parter.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to have to be our first two partner.
[SPEAKER_02]: Can we not do a two-fired on something interesting?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I also think we should, and as again, this is very insight-based, well, but if people are up for it, I think we should also pair it with us watching the Bashet Beach at Dark Side of the Ring on Patreon.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just make it a full, so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: We will officially have the last word on Bashet the Beach.
[SPEAKER_01]: the last word they're all for it's wait look if I had my way we would be doing six months on Rousseau's revenge war games two thousand so can't just help looky we're getting a anyway oh god let's talk about something that wasn't even remotely as interesting as just riffing on bash the bc doesn't that was the maestro versus the cat
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what gradient to push the straws hair on, but like he looks like every woman over 60 from Carnation Street, like I had him written down at various stages through here as Rita, Deirdre, Vera Duquorth and Mavis.
[SPEAKER_02]: for like the maybe you're meant rush more of old women from carnation streets and it's anyone from there who was like were you a carnation street family all over the name but the bet betty betty yeah yeah you you pick on back into the 80s down for anything male I don't think she I don't know I think I remember I were having a short hair but she's not like the big kind of rinse yeah yeah
[SPEAKER_01]: Liz McDonald.
[SPEAKER_01]: Big hair.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that's good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that is a reference that will appeal to maybe half a dozen people listening to this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we have to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: We serve the niche.
[SPEAKER_01]: We serve the niche over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Get in total for your best memories of a current nation tree 80s.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here it is.
[SPEAKER_01]: How would you book the jazz
[SPEAKER_01]: haven't immediately lays out my throw once he's called out and lays the soft shoe in basically all cat and then there's a tug of war with symphony over the stereo, Nick Patrick, by the way, you're always like we we I focused in on this about how like badly planned there a lot of these do you think right I was thinking about this and why this keeps happening with referees who have to pretend they're the dumbest people alive to miss interference to miss weapon spots and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely think part of it is, do you think whoever's producing these matches just isn't?
[SPEAKER_01]: Either telling the referees anything apart from the finish or isn't filling in the referees enough to know, like, okay, we need to figure out like, there's there's something going on here, like, because like, I actually started to feel for the referees that they're having to act this dense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how much of it is acting?
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Nick Patrick isn't even mean distracted here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Patrick is just staring into this game.
[SPEAKER_02]: The crowd just looks away.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not even in anyway shape or form.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Look, I went on my big rant about referees and looking to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's such.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't we see WTing?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's so annoying.
[SPEAKER_01]: You just have to kind of pay for our member that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say it just have to get past.
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Cot Cave Strow's head and wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we get Vampiro throwing shit backstage.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we get Vampiro again in the boiler room, thinking if he feels like a rotten a cage.
[SPEAKER_01]: he's cutting a promo on fit thinly, but then he said he's going to take Jarrett to hell tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gene weirdly in the dark with Lash, like what is with the lighting backstage tonight?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's fucking all over the place.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no like static interview position.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's whatever weird corridor they can find.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lash celebrating Marry grass as things haven't gone right well lately for him in the ring, but he's happy to be here and he'll do anything for the fans.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he is immediately ambushed by Dustin Rhodes.
[SPEAKER_01]: who beats the shithead room all the way to the ring and the bell rings.
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's Oblashary versus Dustin Rhodes, crossbody by Lashford too, big backbody drop and then 10 punches, gets low-blowed, backsuplex drop, hard whip into the corner, and doesn't hit the bulldog and wins.
[SPEAKER_01]: Then we get one of the stranger post-match angles.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen lately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what I about to describe to you, listener, Lee will verify as actually having happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, hey, hey, hey, I'm okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanna set the scene.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've never went straight out here that beggars believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: But go on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do you remember when Cody challenged Roman for the title and lost?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what happened in the aftermath?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, Cody was saddering.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a meme for a good, nine, nine, one, once per year.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, this was like, like, this is like a relay version of that, because, well, that roads at WrestleMania was attacked by a rubber chicken.
[SPEAKER_02]: This roads was, in fact, hit with a real chicken.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, Terry Funk comes there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Terry Funk to Human Art History.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm being very literal here.
[SPEAKER_01]: When I say, Terry von Kimmer and put his hand up a chicken Xerris.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: That is just what happened.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am not editorializing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Terry von Kimmer and put his hand up a chicken Xerris.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he punched Dustin in the head with his chicken Xerris.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wore that chicken like it was, uh, own a money.
[SPEAKER_01]: and then beats unfunk with the chicken.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then they bail outside and brawl into the crowd.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I have to say as well.
[SPEAKER_01]: This was not a cooked-looking chicken, but genuinely, the Samanella risk may be more dangerous that Ali Sparth, we've seen in WCW history.
[SPEAKER_02]: You also forgot that, Justin dropped an elbow on the chicken.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which, okay, that got a bonus star rating for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, team package are on their way, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: How do I get maybe a sousan of how you felt like I have the details you don't need to go into the play by play on this?
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you when I told you that I really loved this promo?
[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: We like, I know we both really like our.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's really difficult to dislike our.
[SPEAKER_02]: But like, I feel like I've been more tired on team package than you have in recent terms.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like this is the first team magazine I've enjoyed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I've just been in on the package being just big domed yet, that just kind of somehow flukes his way into good positions.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't love the idea that requires so much subservient to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this is where I, this is what I love about this segment.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this segment, like, honest, sorry, I was just going to say, but It feels like they were trying to recapture the magic of Like, you know, those kind of 97 98 Rick flare and Anderson problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I know that we've had this before where Aaron is trying to talk Rick around some, I think we've had it with the fair with the phone fields.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think we had it preview it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah, when he ran Rick was present.
[SPEAKER_02]: So like this is at least the total time we've seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: Seeing Aaron trying to talk to somebody.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and
[SPEAKER_02]: This is probably the best of the bunch.
[SPEAKER_02]: No disputing.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just hard for me to get too excited about what I like about it was exactly you just said that like it won't it's the best of these flare and iron odds with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, look, I'm not somebody that needs like dense lords, my wrestling, like wrestling is pretty simple and you should mostly keep it simple.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need a huge amount of layers, but the fact that like this segment, I'm going to get into it now, showed that there was at least a layer to the iron character and the flare character of now, because one of the things about the two of them being a odds with each other.
[SPEAKER_01]: those previous times that you mentioned is they were just at odds with each other because like somebody in booking was like I don't know throughout odds with each other is how it felt.
[SPEAKER_01]: And like this team packaging one of the reasons it's not hitting home for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: this whole time, apart from like, like, socks is where it's like, this just felt so thrown together because it's two guys we don't know what to do with right now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And this gave some interesting, and it attempted as best it could, like, it's not a miracle work of a segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: It attempted as best it could to incorporate some of the fucking weird booking that was going on
[SPEAKER_01]: the David stuff and things like that, but I'll get into it now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Flair wants Aaron out and Flair literally names from second one is like, I want you subservient to me one more time for an apology.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron comes in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron has a great line at the very start.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, maybe I've stood beside you so long, I forgot to stand up to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am subservient to know him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Flares says please like so one of the things I like about this is like flare again is somebody that doesn't really have And it's particularly in this period of time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would hear an argument forever like he doesn't have any Volume or intensity settings between zero and ten it's one or the other I did a one of the things I liked about this segment was the gradually increasing desperation as he was realizing this was getting away from him
[SPEAKER_01]: And that iron wasn't going to come over the increasing desperation that like, I'm looking bad and from the package, I'm not delivering what I thought and my best friend is also refusing to stand with me the increasing desperation I really really liked.
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, um, flares this come over here and do what I say, don't make a full out of me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Says I'm going to tell you now Rick a few things you will not like.
[SPEAKER_01]: Monday night had marked 21 years of gaumless as I had written.
[SPEAKER_01]: So David turned 21 on Monday.
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, that may not matter to you.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has all the best things in the world.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then this is one of those times where like sometimes when you blur the lines things get like a little bit interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this data raises like you and I have not been good fathers and husbands because we were on this road together.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a chance to be there for David like I never was for my son because he's on the road with you now.
[SPEAKER_01]: He basically got killed twice this week and you did nothing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Imagine the pressure that kid is under to have to fill your shoes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm standing up to you because he can't Lex is one of the finest restors alive which made me laugh very loudly.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Luger only cares about
[SPEAKER_01]: And then a good line in here as well as don't give David a hand out give him a hand up go be a father and I do like there is that kind of like
[SPEAKER_01]: you see it a loss in real life, and in fiction as well, that thing of like the deadbeat dad who's still like extremely prideful, but like they suddenly get defensive about it being pointed out to them, things they know to be true, but not being a good father.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like he gets quite indignant about it and said like, these people here don't need to hear about our privatized, said, you chose to go home and that's fine, I respect to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to hang with Luger.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to stay on out all night.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have 4 kids.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm done being that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, I'm in the other one.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, I like that because it was just like, it's very revealing about actually Richard Flair, the man, but then the one line in here that I think like gave a tone of like there's real sadness to this where he said, like, I tried to slow down and this company kicked my ass and there is like that hollow sadness to the idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like this is just, again, I'm reading too much into what I know that didn't think that much about it, but it is
[SPEAKER_01]: He can't stop being Rick Flair.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is true of the map.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like here, watch the 30 for 30 on him or know anything about his life and stuff like that.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, he was Rick Flair for so long that he doesn't know how to be a normal person.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he can't stop because when he's stopping Flair, everybody turn their back on him.
[SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean, this company forgot about him when he wanted to slow down.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it has to now put he by now has to put on the robe and be Rick flare the performing chimp for everybody.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting angle to take.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like if that was expanded on because yeah, when Rick did try to be a fighter to read.
[SPEAKER_02]: He got to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, it would be really interesting to follow that thread.
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, yeah, yeah, watch the anguish of like I have to be Rick Flair because you're making me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm not in the kind of like wink, wink, no genoge inside baseball stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they like I and even you add in the layer of insecurity, it's like when I went home, the company forgot about me and also I couldn't hack it as a dad.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm back here,
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm partly because I'm being forced to being back.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that was such a may have been a throwaway line.
[SPEAKER_01]: Joe, and I doubtless, they will not follow this up in any status.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really do not get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just thought it was a fascinating and again, very revealing, very revealing little bit about the man behind the gimmick, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: He said, Rick, Flair, I have put my backpack on.
[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm going to the top with package or by myself.
[SPEAKER_01]: David had the world by the ass for 21 years, which is a very strange turn of phrase.
[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to stand up and be a man.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a double A, my best friend.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're the enforcer, come over, and I'm forced.
[SPEAKER_01]: Aaron says, you're damn right, I'm double A.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love this bit as well from Aaron.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're damn right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm double A. I have a couple of fights left in me, but I'm saving those back in my day.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have walked over Luger to get to a better fight.
[SPEAKER_02]: That was the best line.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was so fucking like as the kids say that that was fucking cold as shit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Luger says, I'm seeing Aaron's lips move, but all I'm hearing is gibberish.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing here for us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rick, this is two strikes.
[SPEAKER_01]: You get one more chance.
[SPEAKER_01]: You choose between me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you choose between Aaron next week on Nitro when I end Kurt Hannick?
[SPEAKER_01]: Flair now is so desperate because he realizes gravy train is leaving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Says, you gotta make this right by Monday to Aaron.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've made it right by you, your whole life.
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be part of team package, make it right, and aren't bales on them, but I would say anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought this was like, especially when you, when you know the behind the scenes of like fair mentally, don't with the company long before now, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just that little spark of like, fuck, like, you know.
[SPEAKER_01]: like he turned it on one more time and earned it on one more time and this was fucking cooking for this couple of minutes while it was happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: Never had happened anywhere else in a company with any sort of instinct to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: There's fucking something here, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: And if only obviously, but Aaron's health like this was never going to lead to, oh no, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: The payoff of like,
[SPEAKER_01]: fuck me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the drummer we had that thing a bit like, um, who was that they were a feudant with?
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was, uh, was it with the elite?
[SPEAKER_01]: Team Towers were a feudant with the elite during the pandemic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I we were like, this is leading to a Towers versus Kenny.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, never going to never going to get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to get it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like we were lovin' the dudes and team taz at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're just like the match we want it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to see Taz put in the cat to had your name.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, we want that we're never going to get us.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was Taz and Cody.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Taz and Cody were having problems.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I just I genuinely like this is one of the rare times where I'll say like actually go look up this segment because I thought it was phenomenal and like maybe it is we're so beaten down by 2000 WCW and even though I think like for most of twenty twenty six I've largely been enjoying a WTV I don't think I've seen a promo this year that
[SPEAKER_01]: because I think they were coming a better angle company, but there's less.
[SPEAKER_01]: Germany used to every week on Dynamite or collision, there was a problem you were talking about for days afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: The only one I can think of in 2026 that I've talked about for more than a day afterwards was teclas.
[SPEAKER_01]: You must be one of the dumbest speeches online.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only promo line from 26, I've thought of it for any length of time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some tech tech, a rock, so I'll take that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Extra rules, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I'm very happy to have very happy to have been on the tech, let's try it nearly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Erm...
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll grab Angle.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, now look, like I say, just because I didn't praise it to the hilltops, I think you thought I was going to, you know, be much more negative.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, it was a good segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe sometimes with with us and I think this is you right now, but I think sometimes because we know for a fact these things don't lead to anything for yeah don't think we let ourselves get swept up it's it's hard I'm trying I like I'm trying with this very hard to be just like just take it for what it was as I said, but again, like I did with the wall this week, I'm like
[SPEAKER_01]: We knew it was WCW, they weren't going to write these guys off TV for like six months like they should have enjoyed the moment of him wiping those concepts.
[SPEAKER_01]: But listen, just enjoy this while it lasts because it will not happen again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, when we get to that reboot, my children all come alive.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and then be very swiftly killed again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, then be very sad afterwards.
[SPEAKER_01]: Moving on, if I'm here, I'm viciously attacks thinly backstage.
[SPEAKER_01]: I look, one thing I will say, even though I think you're kind of you're worrying about the angle after tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you should be focusing more on Jared's stuff tonight for run here especially because it's thunder.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pull apart, it's always work.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, you gotta be tried and true.
[SPEAKER_01]: So fair enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: Liz and Lex getting into the limo.
[SPEAKER_01]: She asks him if that's how he, if that's how Lex imagined it playing out, if that's how he wanted to play it, and he says, damn right.
[SPEAKER_01]: So next up is 50 versus me, can I recommend that man always hits a big boot on the camera while he's on the ramp, that was hilarious.
[SPEAKER_01]: We went from the best thing involving team package to the worst because the worst thing involving anything in W sub U to a while, which is the mention that there will be a lumberjack cast match at the paper view.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_01]: So sting is going to be sting and
[SPEAKER_01]: and lacks and everybody in the ring is going to be the people that have their arms broken.
[SPEAKER_01]: So swaggering, which also, by the way, emphasizes how much they've overdone that one bit.
[SPEAKER_02]: O-t.
[SPEAKER_02]: They've done enough to have enough people around rings.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think they had this plan for... Oh, they reverse engineered.
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to attack master needs to start getting the bodies.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think they did it all too rarely because everyone has had these cast some of our most six weeks at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: Open ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: fucking ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have nothing, uh, oh, shouldn't the much starts and tank Aber walks in.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, now I will say I didn't enjoy him ming and thinly beating up a small army of security guards.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was weird.
[SPEAKER_01]: Still your core took a hell of a beat there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently, Ming is in a feud with tank tank just walks out and just treat them just stop and start beating up security separately.
[SPEAKER_02]: When I say,
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he was.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Doctor, there should be a lot of teams.
[SPEAKER_01]: A competent security for.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be helpful.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get a flashback to Kidman accidentally hitting Booker last week, called the Booker Lecturing Tori about how Kidman needs to say focused.
[SPEAKER_01]: So fucking overdoing the bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mamalooks are interviewed disco ever the idiot says he's booked them in a four corners tag team title match next just to prove how to off there.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a four corners elimination match the Mamalooks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Kidman and booker.
[SPEAKER_01]: Paralymy 2000 and the racism brothers.
[SPEAKER_01]: So the match starts with only two of the teams present, which is always a good start.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're short for time.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Mamaloox, the Harris Brothers, Harlem.
[SPEAKER_01]: He absolutely fucking stroll out of the ring, by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get them, don't get them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, but the bomb today is not going to be that much.
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, I believe Stevie.
[SPEAKER_01]: Booker and Kidman, again, overdoing the bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Enter separately.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harlam Heath didn't get limited first, Stevie, absolutely fuming, fuming, fuming.
[SPEAKER_02]: He takes a side-rush leg sweep and that's it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wasn't a goadlem.
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to talk a bit like how fucking wanted after thought this, these guys are at the moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: We come back from break and Booker T and Kidman were eliminated during the break.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unnoticed on a tape show and they show
[SPEAKER_01]: Then Harris is in the Mama Looks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harris is double team Johnny as Robins and argues with V.O.
[SPEAKER_01]: outside, Vida does a hot tide, clear tides, goes up top, elbow drop, older Harris makes to save, Hachbom disco runs in, clobbers on with the belt, and Johnny makes to cover.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harris is get big mad, they clear out the Mama Looks and Hachbom disco.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me tell you there are very few joys that Bobby the brain heen and has left in life in WCW But calling the hbom spot is one of them where he just like goes from zero to six and like I'm glad he enjoys it because I think it's a shitty finish.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean so good No, also you know it's it yeah the like the the hbom as a maneuver
[SPEAKER_01]: is something I would do while fake wrestling my one-year-old son.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like being hurt, one bass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of which, I reached the assault of the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Speaking of which, my two-year-old son has a habit of playing around with my four-year-old daughter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and, you know, they will mess around and get her with a poison rata.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he'll throw her onto the bed, you know, and say, Pearl Obama or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my boy, I'll daughter was playing, well, not playing, she was washing the dishes with her, her mom did a day, and I came home from walk to be informed that, you know, she washed the dishes, and, you know, Jen said to me, I'm like, do you think she was saying?
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, I don't know, she was picking up the cutlery and slamming him down and going,
[SPEAKER_01]: where I thought that was going to go.
[SPEAKER_01]: In my head that the sick conversion of your life is that your daughter has a comically large pile of dishes and she turns around and you're soon superkicks and very much like when Sean superkicked Stan and the papers went flying in there just like these 20 mates went open to the sky.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some recent my kitchen is a restaurant kitchen just all of a sudden.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, a
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, my daughter has now adopted the herm power bomb power bomb the plates.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So remember that it's a she starts good the air she's the crash crash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, crash crash.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So like as you go to the crash like power bomb and toddlers.
[SPEAKER_02]: If we were informed that she slapped somebody today.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we didn't watch it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, kids, fun, fun, big parents, the guys, there's much hang on, I'm just looking at my notes and one of the next segments says DDP segment, I have no memory this with the ad for the book.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that sort of was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Would you can buy for 24.95 and
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't really want to say clip of him on Craig's list.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I will say just read them back a little bit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Gene backstage admonishing how disappointed he is in Harlem heat, Stevie, absolutely furious.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he wants Booker and Kidman out on censored and he's going to hurt somebody.
[SPEAKER_01]: But then we get to the segment.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about it in the observer last week about how there was that book commercial that aired to the live crowd on Nitro.
[SPEAKER_01]: But they all laughed.
[SPEAKER_01]: And they all laughed, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then we get a vineyard about which seemed like a hit piece from God Free Jones of rock bottom, where I was like, Jeff Cherish.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was even real chosen one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Call him rowdy rod.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, she's going to say.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's believed to give Jeff to her.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's sexual powers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff Jarrett used to wear braces over his nipples.
[SPEAKER_02]: Is that for some sexual powers?
[SPEAKER_01]: Just try to grab some of that sweet can.
[SPEAKER_01]: Next up, we've got the knobber with Jane.
[SPEAKER_01]: Is this three camp better get ready?
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to beat their whole classroom up, which is a funny line.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I forgot they're doing this three on one at the pay
[SPEAKER_01]: United States, heavyweight title match, it's Jeff Jarrett versus Vampiro in our main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before we get into the Jeff Jarrett versus Vampiro, I know you have come up with the term Elkobunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't come up with that, but I will say I do use it frequently.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do use it pretty much every time.
[SPEAKER_01]: That I believe I first heard Bobby Heenan himself say it, because I
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, although Gary kidney often requests like holiday acoustic equalizer.
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you catch Tony Chavani true in an elcopunk on revolution?
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, but I recently learned actually but go on tell me what was the concept?
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a spot outside of the ring.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was like a heel was rolling around the ring and the face kind of stopped and came back to the direction.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and caught them and Shivani just got up, Elkabunk.
[SPEAKER_01]: I recently learned that there is a running bit between the football podcast, football cliches and Excalibur.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I meant to say this year after year, did you not notice?
[SPEAKER_01]: I had, there was something in the back of my mind about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was listening to one of last week's episodes where at Revolution, and
[SPEAKER_01]: they had they had challenged many months ago for Excalibur to get the phrase have a crack at in and he got it in on the paper view.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, do the okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't set a new challenge for Excalibur but like it is lungs it's great that like Excalibur doesn't acknowledge it.
[SPEAKER_01]: But we just said yeah, we all know he does like because it's happened way too many times to be
[SPEAKER_01]: very good.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, if you're into your soccer, football cliches, a very good podcast, a suitable podcast, especially like if you're, if you're like ghostly, and the fortunes of our team we support are decidedly mixed at times, and that puts you off listening to match recap podcasts, the standard football podcast, football cliches is perfect.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is perfect, football content.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it so much.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that another podcast I actually have to recommend one of the air.
[SPEAKER_01]: So please, another football related one bush.
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get that out of here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, main event.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Jack Eric comes out asked if the girls want to flash from Piero.
[SPEAKER_01]: The crowd are definitely in favor.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for heat, he dismisses them before they get.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you, Tiling in particular, very upset that you didn't get to whip the top off here in the main event.
[SPEAKER_02]: You'd have to buy your copy of while magazine to see.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Indeed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No shortage of places to see.
[SPEAKER_01]: No shortage.
[SPEAKER_01]: God bless Tilein.
[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't make it a scarce commodity.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: She was not going to let you have to tell her what to do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tilein, April Hunter.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was you don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to pull a shock.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, yeah, again, you're probably, and this is not me doing the Lisa perverch stick again, but as you were, as you were a couple of years older than me at this point, that you are better placed in 2000s to know, I knew.
[SPEAKER_01]: that I quite enjoyed when Tori Wilson did say to keep it around my screen and do we see that be interesting?
[SPEAKER_01]: But I hadn't show you say quite grasped by your appreciation for them at that point in life.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a 13, 14 year old female owners that they're watching, do we see do we want Bravo?
[SPEAKER_01]: Go
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know the old victories like robin the knees when I can re-catch has run in from the Harris Brothers?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and a referee we've never seen before.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, just a new referee spawns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're taking out of I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't stick around because I don't remember this guy.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get we get an audio ref boom on a new ref, but then the new ref arguing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's all happening.
[SPEAKER_01]: We get a.
[SPEAKER_01]: Jeff hitting Vampo to stroke and winning, I lost his taste like that's the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Vampo gets spray paint.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's because, you know, it's my day of mine to fix again.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but it's silver now.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's completely different.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lady difference, a new it's a new it's a new it's a new group.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what you're talking about.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, Banksy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, that is the end of a Thunder episode 103.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was a mixed show and the entering action was not to like a good standard, like it was
[SPEAKER_02]: It was probably average for what it's been recently.
[SPEAKER_02]: There was nothing else to really stand out much.
[SPEAKER_02]: Not really had time, but to be a standout match.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very real so cold to show where people just walked it within seconds of match-a-staring.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, it's been a running team over the past couple of weeks.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do think they are trying with vampiro.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think this is them actually trying to push vampiro.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's just their ability to try is very bad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, the way they do is just not the way I do it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And like, look, we can say it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think both of us would agree that vampiro don't want to fight there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even Dave and the observers say and like he's he's got no credibility at what he is starting to get over with the crowds and as we have noted extensively over the last year and a half People aren't getting over with grants.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, and you know, Jarrett is already in our has been in a world of program for the past three months he doesn't need you in a style.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, I think this would have been an ideal place to get to the offer Jeff, but anyway, yeah, look that vamposed winner, um, like the stability, well, demon, I suppose the human of all the people under show comes out worse based on weather, whether it's a river now that he gets caught in the coffin and look, it wasn't an offer show there was some bright spots, yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_01]: The finish counter brought you by Ludwig Borger has seven matches on this show with one clean finish.
[SPEAKER_01]: One disqualification, one interference being to finish, and in my non-finishes for this week I've listed one via no contest, one via makeout sash, one via high-fi rush to the head, and one via ref quarrel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, finishes, this is like, as much as it wasn't one of the worst hunters we've ever seen, the finishes this company are remain all over the fucking job.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, thanks for listening to another episode of Days of Thunder.
[SPEAKER_01]: We shall be back on Patreon next week on the free feed in two weeks.
[SPEAKER_01]: And until then, thanks for listening, and we'll talk to you again soon.