[UNKNOWN]: The survivor specials Phil Willen Blake are back in today.
[UNKNOWN]: Episode number four of the survivor winner rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: We are ranking the 20th through 11th best winners of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: And man, as Slymatone says right here, the will go rhythm will be felt in this episode.
[UNKNOWN]: That is for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Will, you are gonna be on the hot seat, buddy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going down the hot seat.
[UNKNOWN]: Bring the heat.
[UNKNOWN]: If you can't handle the heat,
[UNKNOWN]: Get out the kitchen, okay?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in the kitchen.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm handling heat.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this episode
[UNKNOWN]: Like, we say this every time, but people will never be able to comprehend what we're actually saying, but every spot needs to have somebody.
[UNKNOWN]: You can't put 20 winners in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a top 10 for a reason.
[UNKNOWN]: It's because there are only 10 players that can go into the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: So you can't say, well, I would have this person, this person, this person, then lists like 16, 17 people, six, seven, sort of.
[UNKNOWN]: and be like, those are my top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, no, we're actually doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think people might be like, oh my God, this person's not in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, you could only have 10 players in.
[UNKNOWN]: So if you're top 20, you're already in the upper tier, top 40% of winners.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's already high marks.
[UNKNOWN]: These are gonna be some of your favorite players that end up here, and that's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, man, I appreciate you saying that.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see if it actually is okay when we get to the comments and all that fun stuff after I appreciate it.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so I put up a poll today and I asked this question.
[UNKNOWN]: Which of these players do you think makes our top 10 winners?
[UNKNOWN]: And I put up four names and only one of them make it.
[UNKNOWN]: I want to see which one you guys think.
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's four heavy hitters.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's worth actually bringing this up early.
[UNKNOWN]: Because I think it's fun to play this game of which one do you think it's going to be?
[UNKNOWN]: So the four heavy hitters I asked about were Sarah Lissina, Sandra, and Heroes versus Villains, Tom, and Parvity, which one of those four do you think is in the top 10?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm nervous.
[UNKNOWN]: I've kind of a shame that any of those four in the top.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, Sandra, it's got to be her, like stay queen.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get to the, I don't want to, I'm, we're going to get to three out of four of them.
[UNKNOWN]: But I would, I don't think I have any of those four players in my top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm fairly well, I'm going to be honest with you.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have the four players you do having your top 10?
[UNKNOWN]: You're about to get absolutely annihilated for.
[UNKNOWN]: So like this is going to go one way or the other.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I just, you know, though we have an algorithm here.
[UNKNOWN]: We have an algorithm here.
[UNKNOWN]: So my question is which one do you think it is?
[UNKNOWN]: So Blake is saying Sandra, will who are you saying?
[UNKNOWN]: Who's in the top 10?
[UNKNOWN]: Out of those four.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: I would say Tom just because it was dominant in all facets.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay, um, 45% of voters picked parv 34% picked Tom 13% picked Sarah 9% picked Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: So play here on an island big dog.
[UNKNOWN]: I really want who was in the ranking who knows how far I put Sandra up on my head.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we're going to be diving into this.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm excited for this one.
[UNKNOWN]: I really am.
[UNKNOWN]: We're into the best of the best.
[UNKNOWN]: And like we'll said, I mean, look, we're down to the top 20, you know, there's going to be discrepancies.
[UNKNOWN]: People are going to disagree with us.
[UNKNOWN]: All that stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the whole point of doing these things.
[UNKNOWN]: Hope you guys enjoy the episode to those who have enjoyed the episode.
[UNKNOWN]: We appreciate it to those who are making like baseless claims about the three of us.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't like you get out of here.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, anyway, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Survivor winner rankings part four.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the power point.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to have to show.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not the show everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll rip through a real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake is already sweating.
[UNKNOWN]: So ranking so far 50 underwood 49 Ben 48 Gena 47 Gabriel and 46 Ben.
[UNKNOWN]: I said Bob is Bob or 49 45 Fabio 44 Natalie White 43 Kenzie 42 Amber 41 Erica
[UNKNOWN]: Then we had Aubrey at 4039, Ethan 38, ours 37 Savannah 36 Danny 35 Jam Jam 34 Nick 33 Rachel 32 Tommy 31 Mary Ann Rachel 33 is crazy shut up all right and then last week's episode for anybody who didn't catch it 30 Mike Holloway 29 Sandra Pearl Islands 28 Sophie
[UNKNOWN]: 27 Wendell 26 Michelle 25 Tyson 24 D 23 you will 22 Rob and 21 Brian now that we've had a week to sit on these anybody in that group there will that you wish was in today's group instead.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Anything jam jam being at what is he like 36.
[UNKNOWN]: Even Sophie who you ranked 12.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't wish was in this week's episode instead of being I need it because if I didn't go Sophie that high she ends up in the episode before so like it works out wherever works out.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Sophia 28 feels pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's higher than most people would
[UNKNOWN]: like how I mean 28 times low, but again, that's like you're better than what 22 other winners.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: Hello, it's still going to talk or.
[UNKNOWN]: But my thing for us, I don't know if it for us, if I stop, I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, so here's the thing dude.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I'm not in my normal spot.
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm, like, if I look like I'm frozen, I'm not in my own spot.
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll grow the money.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, the funny thing is though, Phil, you're like staring and moving around.
[UNKNOWN]: I can tell you not frozen.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, what are we doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so what's happening is my computer is in fact showing that I'm frozen.
[UNKNOWN]: So if I can't hear your question, I didn't hear anything.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why we practice these things.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think one thing that you need to know before you do this is we can't rate 20 winners in the top 10, you know, so this is just what's going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get it.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what will said.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, did you say something important or was it not important either?
[UNKNOWN]: It was incredibly important, but that you missed it.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I missed it.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know what you want from any man.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know.
[UNKNOWN]: here we go there at me with those eyes after I talk and just let I don't know I didn't hear you say a word so like there's nothing I can do.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to be going we got to power through the podcast guys and you guys are just going to have to bear with me a little bit here let's let's carry each other huh let's let's do that that sounds nice all right let's get to number 20 then and here we go with number 20 and Blake you already know it so you know this was the
[UNKNOWN]: because he listens when I talk to.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't stare at me with those eyes.
[UNKNOWN]: So here we go at number 20.
[UNKNOWN]: We're starting off with Visepia.
[UNKNOWN]: This was a big deal last week.
[UNKNOWN]: People were kind of going in on us.
[UNKNOWN]: The fact that it was Brian behind Visepia.
[UNKNOWN]: Look at some of these other names.
[UNKNOWN]: Rob, you'll, D, right.
[UNKNOWN]: People were feeling like, where is Visepia?
[UNKNOWN]: Where is Visepia?
[UNKNOWN]: It was really hard for me not to say, guys.
[UNKNOWN]: She's about to show up.
[UNKNOWN]: And,
[UNKNOWN]: I always talk about this, but just to put this in perspective, the difference between Vesepia and Tyson is 11 points and Tyson was at 25, the same gap between 25 and 26, like 25 and 26 to 10 point gap, Vesepia all the way back to Tyson is an 11, so this is all kind of in the same tier that just comes down to different places, what people feel is, you know,
[UNKNOWN]: I have a rent 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I know that people are going to think that that's crazy, but I have my reasons for it.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake with the lowest at 26.
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, that's not a wide gap for Visepi.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought we have a wider gap where if I put her at 10, I thought somebody would be in the 30.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm kind of happy that we all had her 26 or higher.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like the first time I haven't had somebody the highest or the lowest.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm very like, this is crazy to me.
[UNKNOWN]: But I just to hop in because I know you guys are the high
[UNKNOWN]: Well, like, to me, her wins more impressive than Brian's because I think Brian's win, like, getting the numbers early and pegoning through a bird, it's like, that was old school sort of, I mean, that's not impressive or anything, but like, to me that's less impressive than someone who's on the bottom had to make
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, they stayed in the mix, maybe won a challenge, maybe make a deal at final three immunity during the challenge, like I think she just had an uphill battle and she actively made decisions to keep herself in the game long enough and then strike when she needed to and that to me is more impressive than Brian's when I understand why they are back to back here.
[UNKNOWN]: I had them ranked back to back in my ranking with Vesepio one spot ahead of Brian, so I actually thought I was whipped on kind of where I generally had stood, but you know, I feel like the reason I ended up putting Vesepio in my top 10 and this is, you know, maybe a little bit more of the importance because obviously Vesepio is one of those hidden games and I've talked a lot about if you don't see your game, I'm not really going to talk about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But this was the first time that we ever saw a player actually overcome a deficit.
[UNKNOWN]: And she is outnumbered seven to two at the final night.
[UNKNOWN]: They get his her and Sean Rector.
[UNKNOWN]: That is it.
[UNKNOWN]: That is all that she has.
[UNKNOWN]: Boston Rob starts to put the pieces together at final 10.
[UNKNOWN]: He starts talking to Kathy, but ultimately isn't able to flip anybody.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is seven to two.
[UNKNOWN]: The monamo bottom is outnumbered.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go, Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: That was for you.
[UNKNOWN]: And so for me,
[UNKNOWN]: To be able to overcome a seven or two deficit in season four, and I know that she is not the only one driving this, but she has Kathy is the one who probably should have won this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's generally the consensus here, but Kathy didn't win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: The Sepia did and the Sepia was sitting in the same position as Sean and the same position as Boston Rob Boston Rob doesn't make the jury, the Sepia wins the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And I just think that that is so unbelievably impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets two votes against her, the entire season.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, outnumbered seven to two at the final nine.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the first time we ever saw an alliance in the minority overtaken alliance in the majority.
[UNKNOWN]: Every season up to this is just, hey, we have the numbers goodbye.
[UNKNOWN]: You don't exist anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: And Vesepia is integral in all of this taking place.
[UNKNOWN]: They really hide the fact that John Carroll is going to go at final nine.
[UNKNOWN]: They don't show the decision that is being made there between Vesepia,
[UNKNOWN]: But ultimately, that decision is maybe the most important in the history of the show because people hated Thailand so much and we needed this overthrow of power And Vesepia does everything she's supposed to do she gets to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: She makes the move at the end where she makes the deal with Nalia that screws over Kathy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's unbelievable And there's Vesepia sitting in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's why I have her are you know as the winner of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's why I have her at number 10 And I'm really happy that she came in at 20.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is a perfect spot for her
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I guess I'm supposed to be the one who's like, well, actually, but I do think it's something where it's a key freeze there will no, I just took a while to start.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my computer screwed up.
[UNKNOWN]: I might have to do this on my phone.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to be okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I think what happens with a recipient in my supposed to talk crap about her.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't, uh, I think anybody in the top 20, we're all appreciative of their game.
[UNKNOWN]: Whether they played 29 days or 20 39 days, who knows?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but you had a 26th break, so not your top 20.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, sure, sure.
[UNKNOWN]: So here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the thought process for me is under the radar games are not as great as like leaders of alliances.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is, you can only play the game that you're on the beach to play.
[UNKNOWN]: She could not become the leader of the road to four because she wasn't on road to.
[UNKNOWN]: She wasn't in that group, but she picked them apart.
[UNKNOWN]: She found out the way to get in those cracks.
[UNKNOWN]: Everything we said, and I think it's something where it's whenever you, if you dream of winning the world series, you go, I want to hit a grand slam and win by one in the ninth inning.
[UNKNOWN]: you don't go, I want to do a pitcher's duel, one zero, nine innings of finger bite, like, and Vesepia is winning a pitcher duel version of what's McCallot of, she doesn't have home runs, she doesn't have grand slam capability because her alliance is gone, but she figures out how to
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I was gonna go more with a pitching analogy, but we don't need to do it now.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'll still like if you're if you're like Garrett Cole, you'd love a one nothing world series victory in game seven, so like you know if you're a pitcher, you love pitcher.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think there it I like Sean Rector a lot and it's something where Sean was like a good decoy for her I wouldn't say Sean was doing a bunch of like
[UNKNOWN]: moving and shaking for her, but it was cool, like that is almost one of the first meat shields of like, okay, the Sepia, if they do go after her, if they do go after those two, it's always going to be shown first and then she'll have a way to maneuver afterwards.
[UNKNOWN]: And so whenever he does go at five, it's like, what am I going to do at four to make sure it doesn't happen to me, she gets a thought process instead of her getting blindsided first.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think whenever you talk about like spacing or when you talk about where you're at in a game and make sure like.
[UNKNOWN]: you have, I should have drank more Dr. Pepper earlier.
[UNKNOWN]: It's more like she has the game space out where she's not going to be going home first and that was something that I don't think a lot of people learned how to play the game until maybe you could watch her and go, okay, this is how I can play survivor and make sure I'm not going home right away and then that's perfected by Sandra
[UNKNOWN]: But it just, for me, it comes down to adaptability and people always want, like, I mean, but Boston Robb is universally acclaimed as a Mount Rushmore player, like that is a no brainer he's on the Mount Rushmore.
[UNKNOWN]: He can adapt to the situation that he's in at all.
[UNKNOWN]: The Sepia Daps, and I see this here from Donnie Moore, Blake, right here, her win is among the least dominating in the 50 seasons, squeak the W out, yeah, I mean.
[UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
[UNKNOWN]: That like she couldn't dominate.
[UNKNOWN]: She was on a tribe that was she correctly made the decision to go against Hunter to go against Gina to go against Patricia to go against Peter and go with Boston Rob who was running things because that was ultimately the better move at that time.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she's not the last person standing if that Mara Amu tribe just decides that it's going to go the way that it's going to go.
[UNKNOWN]: She saw that Boston Rob on it to do something a little bit chaotic.
[UNKNOWN]: She's an older woman on that tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: It's better for her to go with the guy who's going to do something a little bit more chaotic.
[UNKNOWN]: And so she did.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is why it's always hard for me when we're ranking these winners.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, everybody knows how much I revere Chris Doratru's game.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's like, when you look at the sepia's game, how can you knock somebody who is able to overcome a seven or two deficit?
[UNKNOWN]: Is the first person ever do that?
[UNKNOWN]: You could say, well, maybe she wasn't that much of a role in what actually took place at final nine.
[UNKNOWN]: But she is because if she doesn't have the personality she has, if she has the personality boss in Rob has, we saw it at final 10, they don't flip, I think they do not blip.
[UNKNOWN]: And so for me, Bicepia actually is able to like navigate this perfectly, it's one of the best social games you've ever seen.
[UNKNOWN]: And if she had played a second time, I think we would talk about Bicepia a lot differently in the community as a whole.
[UNKNOWN]: But Jeff and production pretty much told us, Bicep is not that good of a winner, and therefore it was just like, goodbye.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't talk about Bicepia anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we haven't watched her play.
[UNKNOWN]: 24 seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: So of course, she's going to start to kind of falter in people's minds.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it's something where it's like you you probably want to see her play all stars instead of Alicia, and it's like, why didn't we?
[UNKNOWN]: And winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the algorithm was actually not that high of this up yet 36 for the algorithm, but I brought her up
[UNKNOWN]: with 17 and then those even out for I think the 25 or 24 or something.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, do you had a 24 ultimately on your right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which is, I think, I think we're falling right in the right spot with that.
[UNKNOWN]: I think as we get to the upper echelon of winners, something at least I cared about in my personal rankings, the winner algorithm could not know this.
[UNKNOWN]: But when someone played a version of the game for the first time, that was like, oh, wow, this is a new way to win survival.
[UNKNOWN]: Like survivor, there's no rule buck on how to win.
[UNKNOWN]: like obviously you need to get more jury votes in your opponent final two at least when we start it out but there's no like this is how you get a jury vote.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all dependent on the people you're playing with.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not like Katan where it's like, oh, a settlement's one.
[UNKNOWN]: A city is too long, this road is too.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like that's not that you can't play your survivor game checking off a list of like how many points you get.
[UNKNOWN]: It's always going to be different.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think when you go out and play a game that hadn't been done, and obviously it was season four.
[UNKNOWN]: So like there's not a whole lot behind her.
[UNKNOWN]: But we saw, like I think this was like a more impressive win than Ethan's win, which Ethan was just kind of in the majority post merge and like kind of just wrote the numbers, even like Brian after I think Brian's great because he's dominant, but he did just ride the numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: Rich came up with the idea of ride the numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina obviously was in the majority alliance there in Australia.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like,
[UNKNOWN]: When you do something for the first time, I'm going to give you a little bit of more credit, and so I also can know that.
[UNKNOWN]: The algorithm has no context of what order they play the signal.
[UNKNOWN]: The algorithm is there to take our subjectivity out of it.
[UNKNOWN]: It often takes the edit out.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why Natalie White is hired.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why Erica's hire.
[UNKNOWN]: Things that it doesn't care about how many confessional's hiring and tain you are.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to look at your peer metrics.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's, for me, also, it's impressive of Acepia.
[UNKNOWN]: She has to do it twice.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she's outnumbered seven two gets the five four, but it's in the minority alliance of three two.
[UNKNOWN]: You can argue she even has to do it three times, because then at final three, she's technically in the minority there.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, Kathy and Alia had already kind of made a deal.
[UNKNOWN]: And Acepia knew that she probably wasn't going to the end and then Acepia just,
[UNKNOWN]: Pretty much doops, Kathy, or pretty much tricks to Leah, however you want to look at it, to get herself into the final two.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, the Sepia constantly was playing against the numbers and was still able to pull it off.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's, it's, it's very, very impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the flashiest game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the most exciting.
[UNKNOWN]: She's not the biggest personality by any means.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets overshadowed by a lot of people on her season.
[UNKNOWN]: But she plays a really good game and somebody had brought up earlier and we definitely have to bring it up.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, she, her luxury item was a notebook.
[UNKNOWN]: And she essentially broke the game because with the notebook, she wrote down personal details about everybody throughout the entire game.
[UNKNOWN]: And that final travel council, she was able to, or I think the one immunity challenged even get to final three.
[UNKNOWN]: She was able to win because she knew everything about everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: But then she still knew everything about everybody at that final travel council, which when you're playing a social game,
[UNKNOWN]: about the people she ultimately blindsided and pissed off.
[UNKNOWN]: So that was also great and maybe it doesn't feel like it's like the fairest thing, which is maybe why they don't allow notebooks to be brought on as luxury items anymore.
[UNKNOWN]: But she used what she was allowed to to her advantage.
[UNKNOWN]: And it was perfect.
[UNKNOWN]: I think one thing too.
[UNKNOWN]: Whenever you're immune at rocks, I don't think rock should make you be negative because you are the one who can be like, I don't care, I'm immune.
[UNKNOWN]: So her winning that final four and setting off the first rock draw, I think is like a, that's pretty cool for her and should be a plus as well.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, also she broke the rock draw so wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, I agree with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that that should hurt her game at all because she wasn't impacted by it.
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't a luck factor for her at all.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, shall we move on to number 19?
[UNKNOWN]: By the way, John McKenna and Will all had her at 24, Blake at 26.
[UNKNOWN]: I had her at 10.
[UNKNOWN]: So I was the only one higher on her than 24.
[UNKNOWN]: She ends up at 20.
[UNKNOWN]: I think 20 is a fair spot.
[UNKNOWN]: I just personally believe that the recipe is game, no long as it's on the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's just done.
[UNKNOWN]: We ready for 19.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we're ready.
[UNKNOWN]: No, we're not.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm ready.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, OK, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody in the chat.
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to get your guns ready, this is the moment because I ain't taking shit for this one.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to have to take shit for this one on TikTok and stuff tomorrow, but I don't have to take shit.
[UNKNOWN]: Just do it now.
[UNKNOWN]: Parvity shallow from Survivor, Micronesia.
[UNKNOWN]: Hi, drinking Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: I did it.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, I'm fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, it's too high.
[UNKNOWN]: So Blake had her on 11 will had her at 39 for all the people who are going to come in here and start talking about it.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm just a parvator and all that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she came in close to mine.
[UNKNOWN]: John and the Kenna had her at 13.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, 39 will 39.
[UNKNOWN]: What is what is the rationale?
[UNKNOWN]: So boy, can't believe it.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me, let me, let me preface it with this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not a player ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: We are not ranking the players who won the game.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not what we're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not looking at par of as her survivor career.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not looking at heroes for his villains.
[UNKNOWN]: We're not looking at her time in Australian survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: or winners at war or her cook islands.
[UNKNOWN]: We are just looking at their winning season.
[UNKNOWN]: And like this was a she should not have won this season.
[UNKNOWN]: They just literally straight up should not have been the winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if you're gonna, if you're gonna be like oh well Ben, knew the twist and like oh if this one thing doesn't happen here like where the other winners
[UNKNOWN]: Like I think we said that a little bit about yeah my call away Nick Wilson I think was also in that like oh if you if he you know he almost went home The first of his season if it weren't for the patman of ac he probably is the first boot of his season like This should have been a final three and so he's game like wrapped up with a bow
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and that's why she's so low here.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why she's so low.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, let me say, I think the algorithm was very, very low.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't have her as, as low.
[UNKNOWN]: And I was shocked how low the, the algorithm really did, um,
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean you had her in like the low 40s and I said to you you're gonna have to change No, I couldn't change the algorithm though the algorithm yeah the algorithm has her at 43 so I mean that's just stats to I mean her metrics aren't good
[UNKNOWN]: Algorithm is sponsored by the Coconut Whiskey, whenever you need a Coconut Whiskey.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think it's like she's basically like this win.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think I also had her very low.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't help.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't like,
[UNKNOWN]: helping the algorithm get, get, like, correct the algorithm all out here because like when I look at her win, I'm like, I'm way more impressed with PARBS here as a Villains game.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I think her here as a Villains game is more impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she does more, uh, more impactful than a season where I think Suri really does carry this, especially towards the end, getting Eric to give away the necklace.
[UNKNOWN]: Like,
[UNKNOWN]: I'm, I'm more impressed than her as a player than 39, but if we're talking just Micronesia, like this is a rease season that she should have won if it weren't for too many meta-backs.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this was, this was a final three all day.
[UNKNOWN]: We were in the final three era of Survivor at this point.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how you're playing.
[UNKNOWN]: Even part was playing for a final three to sit next to Samaria and Amanda, and that's a losing game that she's playing.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it is.
[UNKNOWN]: I totally agree with you on this.
[UNKNOWN]: I think 39 is too low just because of like the I agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I think about the algorithm was not excited about about her.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I know you agree, Will, but I have to put John Blast because we're people that only care about numbers.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to tell you what.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to get the most ridiculous takes from poverty stands in the conference.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and you got a response to him because I'm not dealing.
[UNKNOWN]: I can say, first of all, her metrics, I just aren't panning out that well.
[UNKNOWN]: didn't have good objective stats.
[UNKNOWN]: And then one, like I said, like this, this, we're only judging the Micronesia game.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, if it was, it feels her, here's her, here's her's villain game.
[UNKNOWN]: I would maybe have 30 spots higher.
[UNKNOWN]: She didn't even win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: No, yeah, here you go, I'd play.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, as the best part of the stand person on this podcast, I love this girl.
[UNKNOWN]: She's amazing.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think her OG season when you look not OG season.
[UNKNOWN]: Her OG win.
[UNKNOWN]: is not as impressive as what she does on heroes versus villains and it is kind of like, oh, I wish you'd won that one, maybe.
[UNKNOWN]: Or maybe we're a finalist Andrew, but I'm looking at her her votes and it's three Natalie Alexis Jason and Eliza and it's like, okay, even some of her alliance members that was with her since day one, like Ozzy and James, don't vote for her to win and then the other one is Eric.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're like, that's interesting whenever I look, I know we haven't brought this up at all, but it is like, how are we doing 11 versus 19?
[UNKNOWN]: And it is kind of like, all right, who's on that jury and paying attention and who was in the inner circle?
[UNKNOWN]: But to revote it for her to win.
[UNKNOWN]: So it is kind of like, okay, I trust Suri.
[UNKNOWN]: I, this was Suri as a committee, the best alliance ever.
[UNKNOWN]: She was a very much a part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: Who's coming to who is part of it going?
[UNKNOWN]: Let's eliminate that person.
[UNKNOWN]: Is Suri going, yes, okay, let's do this.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is something where I don't think you're gonna be a confused when I say Suri is my favorite player of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: So I am kind of like,
[UNKNOWN]: This is through proxy a sure win and that's why I like poverty so high, but it is I think they were working lock step hand in hand and that's why they do it so many years later on that Australian season and it's just part of the benefits from both times, which is kind of crazy like let's re have one everyone's well, but I think there's a couple times whenever you re watch Micronesia where you're like, oh.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe part of it wasn't in and as much or part of it had a good swap and like she was in danger from day one.
[UNKNOWN]: So there is some like is that a bonus for her or is that a negative of is she going to go home or is young man going to go home or thank God fair place going home.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think there's a lot of stuff in there, but she does get through all of it and I think whenever you put her top five or top 10 you are talking about her as a overall player.
[UNKNOWN]: But her on Micronesia is a something teen game.
[UNKNOWN]: It is kind of crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's 19.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's probably be around 15.
[UNKNOWN]: But I have a said say next to you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's not as something team.
[UNKNOWN]: So a little I'm saying I'm saying in this whole now that we've done this 31 times what I was expecting from us would be a little higher as a total.
[UNKNOWN]: But good for a parvity, she made it to top 20, because y'all want to kill this, if it wasn't your standard.
[UNKNOWN]: So I said, I checked the algorithm and had her at 47.
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't even that personally.
[UNKNOWN]: It's all on her.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, like.
[UNKNOWN]: Jesus Christ, dude.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, thanks, Travis.
[UNKNOWN]: Herod, by the way, for this.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, my whole thing with Parv's game here is, like I agree, she gets totally saved by the final, the final two situation.
[UNKNOWN]: It's the way that she's able to manipulate the fan girls, meaning Alexis, Natalie Bolton, like she is so good at that.
[UNKNOWN]: When you rewatch this season,
[UNKNOWN]: So Reed is bringing up almost every single thing on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know at the start that we are told, poverty is the biggest threat we want to vote poverty out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I understand that that's what we are told.
[UNKNOWN]: We are told that on many seasons about the eventual winner, like the show wants to create drama around their winner and create the story from day one.
[UNKNOWN]: The way I know poverty wasn't the biggest threat on that tribe, as she wasn't one of the first two people voted out of that tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, okay, Johnny Fairplay quit, that helps her.
[UNKNOWN]: They vote out, yeah, man, before poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: Really the only one who felt that poverty was a massive threat was Jonathan Pennler.
[UNKNOWN]: And Jonathan Pennler talks about it a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: Why does Jonathan Pennler talk about it a lot?
[UNKNOWN]: Because Jonathan Pennler is maybe one of the top five confessional givers in the history of the show and he played the game with poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody else seemed to really care that Pennler was saying that.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, maybe Eliza did.
[UNKNOWN]: If you go back, maybe, yeah, man did.
[UNKNOWN]: That wasn't the group that was in total control.
[UNKNOWN]: When the swap happens, Penner has more control, and maybe is more able to convince some of the fans, hey, Barbity's got to go, because he is a convincing guy.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the day, like, yes, that is the story, but that is not what actually takes place because she's not the first person voted out, and she's not the second person voted out of her tribe, if they thought she was the biggest threat they would have.
[UNKNOWN]: way to comment last week that was like saying we don't give her the credit she deserves and that she would have won cook islands and she should have won cook islands and then somebody who's saying like she had just given birth to her kid and i'm like this doesn't even make sense like i don't even why does probably get to be excuse in the word out of here get out of here yeah and so it was like all of these crazy excuses are in the war in korea
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like maybe you can say Parv is a great player and I agree top five for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: But when it comes to this one game, it just doesn't make sense to put her that high.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there has to be a differentiator there.
[UNKNOWN]: Would I rank her higher than a lot of these 17 people that I ranked above her?
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: But like we're not looking at the big picture like Will said at the beginning of this.
[UNKNOWN]: We were looking at one season and this Micronesia game is so much of Surrey.
[UNKNOWN]: And Parvities threat level was not nearly as high as people are going to tell us in the chat in the comments.
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever, it's going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: She was sixth place on Cook Islands.
[UNKNOWN]: She was a last second add-on to the season.
[UNKNOWN]: You can pretty much go look up.
[UNKNOWN]: It was supposed to be Candace and then Candace couldn't do it because of medical school.
[UNKNOWN]: So it was parvity.
[UNKNOWN]: Good for poverty.
[UNKNOWN]: She becomes a legend of the show.
[UNKNOWN]: But at the end of the day, she's not beating Surrey and she didn't have that big of a threat level.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's something will you and I talk about this a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: We will not winters if they're coming back to play their second or third time and they don't have as big of a threat as other players on their season.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's going to come up a lot in our rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: If anybody wants to know where did I rank her compared to Tyson?
[UNKNOWN]: Like I ranked her five spots higher than Tyson.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, like you can say, Tyson played this dominant game.
[UNKNOWN]: I know a lot of people give us a hard time for that, but like I think that Tyson comes out his third time.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got an upper leg on people and he's not the biggest threat out there.
[UNKNOWN]: He's playing with multiple winners.
[UNKNOWN]: That's, you know, that's what happens.
[UNKNOWN]: To me, it doesn't matter how good of a game you play.
[UNKNOWN]: If it's not your first time.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not the same level as other.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm respects first time wins.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not a first time win.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, trust me, we know here's what the $2 was supposed to say.
[UNKNOWN]: I thought Amanda was going to win at the time.
[UNKNOWN]: And I do think there was some layer of, like, Amanda sucks at final tribals.
[UNKNOWN]: And we don't know that if you're just walking into a final with her, you didn't know how bad she lost China right at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: And this could be a, was Amanda going to win at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: And then she can't honor us.
[UNKNOWN]: She can't honor her own or her.
[UNKNOWN]: own her own game and then part of he's like, Yeah, that's not the twist.
[UNKNOWN]: Or it's like, yeah, the airing of the seasons.
[UNKNOWN]: If if trying to finish his airing before they go and film this season, Amanda might actually change your tribe of council style and beat part.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why you put her at 30 now.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: There you go.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I like it.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, I'm just, I'm just saying, Will be active on the comments tomorrow because I just don't feel like they all
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but where was your personal what was your personal before it was 47.
[UNKNOWN]: I, you know, again, I'm doing with some issues here guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, let me see either 25.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: Right in the middle.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it's really funny about that Blake and well, I know you're probably still.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been all right now as soon as we'll want to say if or some reason his thing cuts for me, but Blake, I still see you fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't understand what is up with this.
[UNKNOWN]: This is crazy, but with 25 still have been the lowest ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, yes, so I was lowest no matter what.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, well, our buckle is the guy at the bottom.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the guy who ranked poverty the lowest.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I ranked for a 25.
[UNKNOWN]: The algorithm had had part but 47.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, for your metrics one of the algorithms.
[UNKNOWN]: What was the jury vote there?
[UNKNOWN]: Five to eight.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, so losing free jury votes not winning on your first try.
[UNKNOWN]: trash trash.
[UNKNOWN]: That's some other stuff in there obviously, but you know honestly when equity was Sir, Siry really, you know, who's that off?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys ready?
[UNKNOWN]: All right, teen is Kyle.
[UNKNOWN]: Did you look or you guessing?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm guessing.
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to say, Phil, I hope it's not Kyle.
[UNKNOWN]: You just take it to do look and then have it not be Kyle.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, this is my favorite.
[UNKNOWN]: So this is the largest gap by far between a highest and a lowest.
[UNKNOWN]: And a lowest.
[UNKNOWN]: We have will.
[UNKNOWN]: The winner is over.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, we have Will ranking Kyle immediately after it comes up that he ranks Parv at 39.
[UNKNOWN]: He ranks Kyle at 3.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake rank Kyle at 39.
[UNKNOWN]: Now if you guys are wondering what same people did.
[UNKNOWN]: My ranks Kyle at 22.
[UNKNOWN]: Jonathan McKenna ranks Kyle at 16, which is how we got to 18.
[UNKNOWN]: You guys just talk through this.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't even mention my name.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like games.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't like what Blake is good.
[UNKNOWN]: Bye.
[UNKNOWN]: So the algorithm had tile at 7.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I had tile I think it like in the top 10 and in my own when I when I did my pairwise.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I see just like no flaws in this game.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like a flawless survival.
[UNKNOWN]: Like he was never going home, but kind of had it in the bag the entire game.
[UNKNOWN]: Literally got voted out but had a nightle.
[UNKNOWN]: So try again.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he got voted out and had an idle, but he knew that the votes were new and he had the alliance.
[UNKNOWN]: He literally pulled them out and I told him his home.
[UNKNOWN]: So if it knows, he would have worth no way he was ever going.
[UNKNOWN]: Will he leak?
[UNKNOWN]: No, that's just wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: He literally tells them like he, him and can be like saying the plan is to clear it.
[UNKNOWN]: The tennis player, yeah, hit the ball back, but he used to rack it.
[UNKNOWN]: like that's not fair.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a tool you can use, but he's a person who had to use a tool to prevent himself going home.
[UNKNOWN]: He did need to use his drawing the boat so that he could play the idol and then knock out Thomas.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not what we're saying is something.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think he had the intel to know the votes.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, many misplayed people going home with idols literally the season before like two seasons before in 46 was it five people went home with idols in their pockets.
[UNKNOWN]: So he plays one right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, this, this, this Kyle's game is like, I just don't know anything.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think he made like a single
[UNKNOWN]: and also what's really funny is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a lot in this game.
[UNKNOWN]: No, and will, I'm kind of more in agreement with you.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I ranked him at 22.
[UNKNOWN]: I had him as the second highest new era winner right behind D, like ultimately I had D at 20.
[UNKNOWN]: I've him at 22.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it was really high as new era winner.
[UNKNOWN]: You think so?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, actually, what's crazy is you do have a new era higher than him.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a joke, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: Please, don't take that seriously.
[UNKNOWN]: But Blake is over here talking shitty.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't do that, she got to do that.
[UNKNOWN]: He literally has him as the third highest new era winner Blake just doesn't want to put effort into doing math and just rings my All so long now he's mad there.
[UNKNOWN]: We go.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I want of guys that was a easy draw.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay Yeah, that's Darrell similar to saying exactly what Will and I were just saying Kyle's plan was for them to vote for him Like he he baited them into that so he could get rid of Thomas
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, who was like the only other threat to like Kyle just and do he just took Joe and Eva and then like put the shot the shiny move get to get Joe to turn on shine I guess you could argue oh he had to make fire against Camilla but like
[UNKNOWN]: I forget what happened, right?
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't make fire against Camilla.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't, was it Joe?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, maybe he does make fire against Camilla.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember the season.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, guys.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, either way, it's like, I think you know it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he knew he could make fire and be Camilla, or was it Joe who made fire?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at him.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe, Joe,
[UNKNOWN]: Now Kyle wins and then Eva makes fire against Camila.
[UNKNOWN]: Remember Joe is teaching Eva how to make the fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Right, right, right.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he even won.
[UNKNOWN]: He didn't even need to make fire.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this guy's this guy had like the most just like, he like had the easiest ride to just be like, yo, out of you 18 people or 18 of us like, I got this, don't worry.
[UNKNOWN]: Like it made this season so boring.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how dominant of a way.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this is like Kim Kim's rattling type stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a theme, guys.
[UNKNOWN]: As we start getting into some of these seasons, like we have like a mix of good seasons and really predictable boring seasons and will come it in.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, will, would you also rank Joe as your third best third place finisher?
[UNKNOWN]: No, what season?
[UNKNOWN]: That's true.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I want to think I want to say, uh, I haven't been as my third highest ranked superhero person.
[UNKNOWN]: It is, uh, okay, we, we saw him defeat.
[UNKNOWN]: the, everybody.
[UNKNOWN]: But it was kind of, he's aligned with basically the three smart people.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to be that crazy about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, Camilla is the person he used to line with and stick with because she's the one who could out maneuver him and it's like, no, we're partners from the very beginning.
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty smart.
[UNKNOWN]: And then who else can beat him in this, uh, what you may call it, merge.
[UNKNOWN]: And you look at the merge and they're like,
[UNKNOWN]: There's not a lot of geniuses.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, do we even put Shaohin in that?
[UNKNOWN]: Or it's like, Shaohin's an ego that we need to appease.
[UNKNOWN]: And he does that correctly.
[UNKNOWN]: Mitch is somebody that like, oh, we got a kind of reconnect with him.
[UNKNOWN]: And think he's with us and that's going to go nowhere.
[UNKNOWN]: Star make a move, bro.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And so he does all that right.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: I think one thing that I would say of these 50 winners, how many could talk the right way through the 48 merge.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think probably 30 plus of them could.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's a lot of bad seasons with not great survivor players in the merge that can't be Kyle's fault.
[UNKNOWN]: He can only be who he can play against.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he does a stellar job and it is something where it's like I wish we got to see two more weeks of him on 50, but that's not what we're doing right now.
[UNKNOWN]: What else could I say about Kyle?
[UNKNOWN]: I think Kyle's way he was connecting with people was super strong on like he's killing social game as well.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not just like I think that was the first time we're really showcasing that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like what do you talk?
[UNKNOWN]: You have been with 39.
[UNKNOWN]: I just defended him.
[UNKNOWN]: You're supposed to be ripping into him.
[UNKNOWN]: He only played 26 days.
[UNKNOWN]: If he had played 39 days, that's the 13 days that Mitch needs to figure it out.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that Blake was a bad argument.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm much as you repeat it.
[UNKNOWN]: That kind of landed with the Mitch thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if it's, if there's more time for Mitch to make it.
[UNKNOWN]: If only Mitch had 12 more days, he would have figured it out.
[UNKNOWN]: But I always say to the 26th day thing, it's like, that's why I didn't use day count for the algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like how many people did you try?
[UNKNOWN]: How many rounds?
[UNKNOWN]: How many travel councils did you attend?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and, and I look, I'm not going to sit here and say the 26 days is harder than 39, but there is also the argument we made of like how many of the 39 day winners could win 26 days.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, to me, that was kind of a non-factor.
[UNKNOWN]: They needed more, they needed that.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, it took longer for the 39 day winners to win.
[UNKNOWN]: The 26 day, day winners.
[UNKNOWN]: They got it done quickly.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, they're not going to have to be played.
[UNKNOWN]: They had a million dollars in less time.
[UNKNOWN]: So actually, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're dollars per day out there is much higher.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I like this, well, I like where your heads at.
[UNKNOWN]: I also love that Blake's whole thing breaks down when it comes to Benjry Bergen, Bob Crowley, and Fabio.
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I have crates under with less than every single one of those, how bad their wins are so bad that it can't, like, neonca quitting, the fire thing, and then Bob.
[UNKNOWN]: In general, I like, obviously, underrated, it's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: People like, like, he wasn't playing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, do you remember a place you had Bob?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: 47.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I think the algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll really have Bob at 47.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I had him at 47, well.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but what's funny about Bob is will actually an as personal personal ranking had him at two, just above Kyle.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, he's that underrated.
[UNKNOWN]: But I remember him at 44, just above Parv at 47.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, LeBron James is going to- I saw it for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Are we ready?
[UNKNOWN]: Are we ready to move on number 17?
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, speaking of Bob, Bob sees in here number 17.
[UNKNOWN]: But like you're on a heater.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to pick the person again?
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, Cockrin.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's go!
[UNKNOWN]: Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so this, this is just, okay, like this is what I was saying, this was going to be our most controversial of the podcast so far.
[UNKNOWN]: We had will coming in with part of it, because listen to this, this is ridiculous.
[UNKNOWN]: We had will coming in with part of it 39 followed by Kyle at three.
[UNKNOWN]: Now we have cockering coming in at 17 and look, I'm okay with cockering at 17.
[UNKNOWN]: the 35 ranking from Blake is the most immature ranking I've ever seen anybody in the history of survivor anything rank a player like are we joking 35 come on oh didn't he play a perfect game a perfect game like he's not gonna vote against and he shuts him out he's only been two perfect games in the history of the show and and here's the thing that's why the out here
[UNKNOWN]: 8000.
[UNKNOWN]: Not when you rank all 10 new era winners under 35.
[UNKNOWN]: So you literally are saying that he is better than just four non-new era winners.
[UNKNOWN]: In the first 40 seasons, you were ranking him 37.
[UNKNOWN]: What people do the math?
[UNKNOWN]: It's insane.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't get people research and find that out.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't give them that kind of stuff, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, go ahead, Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: I guess you hadn't beaten five new hour winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you want me to go first?
[UNKNOWN]: Sure you want will to go first.
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, honestly, I don't even know if we need you to go first.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need will.
[UNKNOWN]: Will doesn't need to go because he literally played a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm slim, slim tone right now.
[UNKNOWN]: There's slime atone.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how to pronounce that.
[UNKNOWN]: Statistically, it's not my matone.
[UNKNOWN]: Statistically, he is better.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you play a perfect game, he was number ranked number six by the algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: So I actually brought him down to 10 with when I combined my personal ratings.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: So survivor Kermoen.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is my final.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I got to do this for Kim too.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when we're talking about players, Francesca, Ali, Hope, Shamar, Laura, Brandon Hans, Matt Bishop, Julia Lander,
[UNKNOWN]: Karen, whatever, Michael, okay, is Malcolm Good, Philip, oh, in his second time, rental, we got to beat him.
[UNKNOWN]: Andrea, Brenda, Eric, Eddie, Sherry, Don, which one of those is a mastermind that he has to out maneuver, and that just doesn't exist.
[UNKNOWN]: And like, Don is maybe someone who's going to play more cutthroat her second time.
[UNKNOWN]: Rental mastermind.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you're literally like, my, my, my, my mom, maybe you're my aunt, you're my survivor aunt.
[UNKNOWN]: So, Don and John are going to work or a cockering.
[UNKNOWN]: Don and cockering are going to work, lock steps together.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to outsmart Brenda, everybody outsmart Brenda.
[UNKNOWN]: We got to outsmart Andrea, literally nobody that's ever played against Andrea's ever not been someone to outsmart her.
[UNKNOWN]: And you're like these fans, these are worst fans than
[UNKNOWN]: Parvity had to be and like you're like who was destined to win and it is something where if we're going to say gosh wow busting raw just got the worst cast like was it rigged for him to win was it rigged for somebody else to win I think this is
[UNKNOWN]: one of those where it's right in that wheelhouse of like 21 through 26 and oh did we rig this so we could have a nerdy winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for giving the giving us an almost coach win.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry that backfired interface we had Sophie win.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll bring you back for Karimoa and fans versus favorites too and make sure we have all all people from your season that like you.
[UNKNOWN]: That's insane.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have all people from the season that like him.
[UNKNOWN]: We watch Carmo and not too long.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: That is the hate Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate Cochrane because you're on the internet for really, really.
[UNKNOWN]: You get off.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have caught Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, some you pulled up a thing and now I'm responding to that thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane was one of my least favorite players ever the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: And literally from minute one, I don't know if it's the edit.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it's like everyone's like,
[UNKNOWN]: And you're like, what's survivor fans did you guys pretend to go get?
[UNKNOWN]: That was clamoring for Cochrane to come back.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, what would Cochrane do if he came back?
[UNKNOWN]: Because he was like, one of the slimyest person the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: And, oh, I feel really bad about this.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't believe, what was me?
[UNKNOWN]: You get some burn on the third day.
[UNKNOWN]: And everybody's like, it's okay, Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me know if you need some water when everybody else
[UNKNOWN]: Vote is asked out right away.
[UNKNOWN]: There's nobody with the brain.
[UNKNOWN]: There's nobody with the killer in sync.
[UNKNOWN]: Cochrane just has to make sure he doesn't get more sunburn and fall and break his leg and he walks to the end to a perfect game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is a perfect game by not proxy.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know the right word here.
[UNKNOWN]: Perfect game by, hey, we really like you and you're a great guy.
[UNKNOWN]: Not by, can I ask you a right word?
[UNKNOWN]: Can I ask you a right word?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm asking.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I'm asking.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Malcolm is a better player than Cochrane?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Corrine is a better player than Cochrane?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Rental is a better player than Cochrane?
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: So I guess he just had nobody around him.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you are, like, to me, like, I have Cochrane ranked at 19.
[UNKNOWN]: I bumped him down a little bit because Cochrane is playing his second time and he is playing against the weak cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I get that.
[UNKNOWN]: the other stuff isn't saying the other stuff is literally and I'm sorry like I'm not like you know it's not personal you know it's just business but it has to go here.
[UNKNOWN]: The whole nonsense of Cochrane just was thrown on a cast with all his friends his bullshit it's it's literally not real the internet survivor sucks was like one person went and username was probably like dumb ass idiot and it was like hi guys Cochrane's playing with all his friends and then everybody in the internet was like wow he played with all his friends
[UNKNOWN]: Philip Shepard and Brandon Hans and any of the other people on that fan tribe He's not friends with Andrea coming into this like he's not friends with them.
[UNKNOWN]: Sure.
[UNKNOWN]: He's friends with Dawn Who cares?
[UNKNOWN]: He had also backstabbed on so this whole thing of this is a perfect game by proxy This just is a perfect game because nobody else played a perfect game on the season.
[UNKNOWN]: So like
[UNKNOWN]: What was so, so every other player on this season, not only are they bad at survivor, they're among the worst to ever play, which is isn't true for Malcolm, it's not true for Brenda and it's also not true for Reynolds.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, there's a lot of ad players on this season, but there's enough people who kind of know what's going on.
[UNKNOWN]: that to just throw him down there and say, it's because it was a victory lap for Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: It was rigged because things blew up in his face on South Pacific, but that's insane.
[UNKNOWN]: And if you're going to talk about wheat casts, I'm not going to reveal where you have Kim ranked, and I'm not going to reveal where you have Earl ranked, because I want to save that for later.
[UNKNOWN]: You have Kim and Earl ranked way higher than you have Cochrane, so it clearly doesn't bother you there.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I don't know what it is, but there's something about that smiling man right there that just bothers you so much that you can't see past it.
[UNKNOWN]: And ranking him at 35, I just think I just think it's bad.
[UNKNOWN]: I only met 19, but I just think 35 is crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm happy he comes in at 17.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's fair.
[UNKNOWN]: And also though, last part of the argument that I just have to punch you with,
[UNKNOWN]: Saying who are these fans?
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, Cochrane was one of the most popular players of all time when he played.
[UNKNOWN]: People love Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, you have to leave the internet sometimes.
[UNKNOWN]: People love Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: If you go to these events and you bring up Cochrane's name, everybody knows who Cochrane is.
[UNKNOWN]: You can bring up about 30 to 35 other winners on this list.
[UNKNOWN]: You people aren't going to remember.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that is a real thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we're die hearts.
[UNKNOWN]: But casual people.
[UNKNOWN]: absolutely love Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: He was the exact archetype they wanted.
[UNKNOWN]: They all saw themselves and their kids and whatever in him, he was one of the only favorites on that favorite tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's that's my piece about.
[UNKNOWN]: And yes, Carol Seymour says Earl and Kim's games are way, way, way better than Cochrane.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, I agree, but based on the arguments that Blake is making, it doesn't seem like they should be as high as Blake has.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like Kim and Cochrane's
[UNKNOWN]: And you could argue that caucran's cast is actually more competitive.
[UNKNOWN]: You could argue.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying I am arguing.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake ain't going to argue that.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, yeah, no Blake's not going to argue.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's our ranking on John Caucran.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake is just right.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish you had come back for 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I wish you had come back for a winner's at war.
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we just need more caucran.
[UNKNOWN]: When when is he going to play a third time?
[UNKNOWN]: Come on back, man.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that true?
[UNKNOWN]: You just hate the sitcom era?
[UNKNOWN]: Which one did you write?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: You ready for this?
[UNKNOWN]: Blake, this for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't know how to turn it off.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not good.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: There we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I figured it out.
[UNKNOWN]: That was for you Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake 35.
[UNKNOWN]: Have him here at 17 guys.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just going to get worse.
[UNKNOWN]: The Miller.
[UNKNOWN]: There we go.
[UNKNOWN]: W ranking on par.
[UNKNOWN]: Respect.
[UNKNOWN]: Game respects game.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I feel like no matter what you rank, no matter what you love, you have your like, except for like, there's some people that are like, I hate LeBron James.
[UNKNOWN]: I hate Michael Jordan, like he could be the best basketball player ever, but I grew up in Utah and I thought John Stockton was the coolest.
[UNKNOWN]: If you rank Michael Jordan or LeBron James is the 35th best NBA player of all time, you're just wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't matter, like you're just wrong.
[UNKNOWN]: Like and I'm not even I mean 19.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not even a cocker and Stan here, man.
[UNKNOWN]: This is just You guys ready for it to get worse will you ready for this one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just gonna keep getting worse.
[UNKNOWN]: You got Blake Actually, let me oh Give me one second I'm fine So you did look at it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's great.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I love this for it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just putting my what are my worst ones?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm guessing my worst one every time
[UNKNOWN]: Guys, so we have Adam coming in here at 16.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam is even commenting on our Instagram and TikTok saying he thinks he's getting the benefit of best friend this or something like he will know I can tell you will he linked him at eight well the algorithm let's see let's see the algorithm at five that's not if that's no bias at all
[UNKNOWN]: So you're algorithm literally doesn't make sense because Adam goes against like almost everything you say in your algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, vulnerable post merge tribals 10, which is extremely high.
[UNKNOWN]: His final six win equity is five, which I think is fair, uh, because he's losing the David for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: And Jay.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's why he is right.
[UNKNOWN]: He basically, I gave him, uh, two points for Ken, two points for Hannah and a half point for Brett because I was a toss-up.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, he wanted his first try.
[UNKNOWN]: He got every single drew vote.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's that's big.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, Hannah and Ken.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you mean, Hannah and Ken.
[UNKNOWN]: He went to 12 Tribals.
[UNKNOWN]: Three Tribal immunity wins.
[UNKNOWN]: That's a great.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's how did you rank him lower than me, Phil?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I put Adam, I think Adam deserves to be a 25.
[UNKNOWN]: We just watched Monio's version X. I don't think he has that much control over that game for the majority of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he plays a solid game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he plays a good game for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I put him in the top half.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm fine with him being ranked at 16.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that if you actually watch that season, he's going to rocks at final 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Ultimately it works out for him.
[UNKNOWN]: But he's going to rocks at final 10.
[UNKNOWN]: He doesn't have control at all on the original millennials beach.
[UNKNOWN]: He really benefits from being put into the swing position with Ken and what Jessica and on the other side, it's Figgy and Taylor, which obviously you're going to vote off figure Taylor.
[UNKNOWN]: And then, you know, he kind of works his way in, but he's never the one that's really driving everything.
[UNKNOWN]: on that season.
[UNKNOWN]: I also, like, I'm sorry, but after watching that season, I get that he wins 10 nothing against Hannah and Ken, but every other person on that season was going to win 10 nothing against Hannah and Ken.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's where I always come back to, like, I think it's can you beat anybody on any day?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's where I rank it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, like, Todd Herzog beats anybody on his season.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why I rank him so high.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam doesn't beat anybody on his season.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam loses to quite a few people.
[UNKNOWN]: And so that's why I ran him lower and I honestly will like the reason I'm giving you a hard time is just because it's like your algorithm all of a sudden deciding that Adam who gets six votes against him, who isn't really like in control.
[UNKNOWN]: Both against, I didn't include votes against as a metric because sometimes it's impressive when you're a target and get it votes, but you make it to the
[UNKNOWN]: It was hard because sometimes the good thing to get votes against someone is a bad thing.
[UNKNOWN]: So you have a low vote against like Chris underwoods votes against like not not many Actually, actually you got voted out So we did Like that was a bad example There are people who like got like no votes against is cuz like yeah, you know when was threatened by you and like you never had a chance of going
[UNKNOWN]: There was just not a way to like fairly be like, oh, a vote against is a positive or a negative.
[UNKNOWN]: So I admitted it from the algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, it's the 10 tree votes doing a lot of the work here.
[UNKNOWN]: First time playing doing a lot of the work here.
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I mean, he played, still played a good overall game.
[UNKNOWN]: One of enough challenges, pre-mergey was also vulnerable at a lot of tribal councils.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're vulnerable a lot of tribal councils,
[UNKNOWN]: less getting a hundred percent jury votes.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I think is like Adams kind of shining part of his win that like
[UNKNOWN]: his threat level was so perfectly calibrated to where like he was never the target at all, but then despite getting to an end with a final three, he wins 10-00.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like, was he a threat or wasony?
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's like the art of Monterdais or Viper, maybe even in the new era, even more true.
[UNKNOWN]: But in the thirties, in the forties, if you are too threatening, you're going to get voted out.
[UNKNOWN]: If you're not threatening enough, you can't get jury votes.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you have to do?
[UNKNOWN]: You do exactly what Adam did, which is get all ten jury votes, will never really be someone that's considered to be too big of a threat.
[UNKNOWN]: So I find that to be quite impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: And Adam's a great guy and one of my best friends.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, of course I don't know that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure it didn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, anyway, that's how Will actually built the algorithm was how can I get Adam into the top.
[UNKNOWN]: But Adam had number six and let's work our metrics and backwards.
[UNKNOWN]: I look, and I know people are saying it shocked me.
[UNKNOWN]: He got 10 votes.
[UNKNOWN]: All of that.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Hannah and Ken played games that nobody were interested in.
[UNKNOWN]: And I know people are saying he somebody had a comment here about like his final five move Jim Lehi trailer park.
[UNKNOWN]: Adam's final five round got to be one of the worst gameplay rounds by winner.
[UNKNOWN]: He could have easily say Brett with the idle while limiting David on his own and said he wasted another idle.
[UNKNOWN]: That's because what Hannah did in that moment was so illogical.
[UNKNOWN]: There was no way that Adam ever thought as a huge fan of knowing Hannah was also a huge fan.
[UNKNOWN]: He never thought that Hannah would be willing to take David to final four because David was so clearly the biggest threat in that moment.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's awesome.
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that's not.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe he should have played it for
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: No, he's he had the immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: So he wait.
[UNKNOWN]: What happened there?
[UNKNOWN]: Did he have immunity?
[UNKNOWN]: Who want to know?
[UNKNOWN]: Ken want immunity, right?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, can't always want some immunity.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Brett versus Adam is actually adding a voice as it's a close vote.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's the one where I think it's happened half, but he loses to Jay and David for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, I have Adam in 25.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Adam.
[UNKNOWN]: Of course, I want Adam here.
[UNKNOWN]: Everybody reach out to Adam to help yourself get cast on survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: Just don't say anything about it.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's just how I feel about it is like
[UNKNOWN]: You know, top 25.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, Blake, you came in here at 22 and Jonathan McKenna came in at 21.
[UNKNOWN]: So we were all kind of in the same ballpark and we'll just really bumped him up with the eight and that is why he's higher than a lot of these people behind it will if we'll in ranked him closer to like where we had him in the 20 let's see where I put him in my like item at 18 my personal.
[UNKNOWN]: the algorithm is algorithm.
[UNKNOWN]: No, algorithm had him at six.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: And then I am 18.
[UNKNOWN]: I think why Millennials versus Gen X is such a fun season to watch where there's a lot of, oh, whoever's on top at the beginning gets toppled over and there's a lot of like, are these people gonna make to the end?
[UNKNOWN]: Everything that's fun about that is why Adam isn't higher of like, it's impossible to control
[UNKNOWN]: This game for very long because anybody that does have control or shows that they have control or says that they have control goes home pretty much the next tribal old afterwards and Adam is like is this trust posture or what is this one you can't be
[UNKNOWN]: the nail that sticks up because if the nail that sticks up gets hammered down, that's the phrase.
[UNKNOWN]: But there's also the phrase the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
[UNKNOWN]: And so survivor what it really is is you got to be a squeaky wheel at final tribal without being a nail that's stick have grease in your own pocket.
[UNKNOWN]: No, you just need to, yeah, you need to be a squeaky wheel
[UNKNOWN]: That's Adam.
[UNKNOWN]: I am.
[UNKNOWN]: Think you will.
[UNKNOWN]: If you guys want to know the actual time, you go to Greece, baby.
[UNKNOWN]: If you guys want to know the actual scientific reason, why I put Adam at 25, it's because I always tell Adam that I rank Michelle one spot higher than him.
[UNKNOWN]: And I couldn't come up with a reason to put Michelle higher than 24.
[UNKNOWN]: So Adam comes in at 25.
[UNKNOWN]: But honestly, I mean, 25 is, I think, like, the spot.
[UNKNOWN]: 16 is fine.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think Adam deserves a lot more credit for his win than people give him.
[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people think he locked into it.
[UNKNOWN]: There's he didn't look into this by any means like he was always thinking go listen to the tell all we do with him and I don't know Why but go listen to it because he was like Adam on it on it on it a first time Adam Klein Survivor season like take like whenever he's first playing I think he's making a deep run and has a shot to win almost every time he goes
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, again, I always say the greatest thing about him is that he's like outwardly strategic and a superfan without being threatening somehow it's like the he's like the only player who's like like Cockroach and you're like, oh my god, he's nerd or like Christian ubiquies a nerd to be careful like oh my god She's big buff muscles threatening like items just like oh, yeah, you're playing really hard and you're totally strategic and you know this game inside of now But yeah, I'm not going to worry about you
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I mean, royal age, whatever here says did he do rocks with an idol in his pocket or no, it's like he did, which I don't think is a good move, but it ended up being kind of, they were on the wrong side of the numbers and somehow he ended up still winning the game after that.
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, he did have the idol in this pocket at final 10 when they did that.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, is ready to get into the top 15?
[UNKNOWN]: Should I try to go four for four?
[UNKNOWN]: Try to go
[UNKNOWN]: Dude, he just keeps doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: You call it again?
[UNKNOWN]: He called it again, Sarah, let's see now.
[UNKNOWN]: He has the list.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, good job.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: It's Natalie Anderson.
[UNKNOWN]: There we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's talk.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: Natalie Anderson coming in here at number 15.
[UNKNOWN]: Sam Wandaul sir.
[UNKNOWN]: Beach Jacqueline and Missy Jacqueline, who should have been on every season of survivor with returning players since season.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: Five.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake with the highest that's why you do seriously just say like maybe 10 or 15 minutes ago that you ran caulk in at 30 times because of the quality of his cast.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that like all of this cast had motivation to work together because they were late in everybody on that.
[UNKNOWN]: They are bad asses at this guy's locker and whatever.
[UNKNOWN]: What's your name?
[UNKNOWN]: Julia.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Baller and Missy for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: Like the amount of people that started San Juan del Sir with having zero champ.
[UNKNOWN]: Like let's go through it.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's let's do this right now.
[UNKNOWN]: How many people could not win San Juan del Sir when they stepped on the beach?
[UNKNOWN]: This is my favorite will time.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you need a will algorithm for this?
[UNKNOWN]: Or can you just read it off again?
[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm just going to do San Juan del César where we go to the Wikipedia and then look at it.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, OK, got this.
[UNKNOWN]: Nadia, Brad should probably could have won.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't think that we've seen someone very similar win the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Literally.
[UNKNOWN]: John, it's a mouth.
[UNKNOWN]: Wait, now he's going.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake, he's now making up that she had four idols like that early.
[UNKNOWN]: She's probably not ever winning his rival season.
[UNKNOWN]: So valve can't win.
[UNKNOWN]: John Rocker is never winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Drew Christie's not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Kelly went with sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think Dale is ever winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Dale is never winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Julie McGee's never winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Josh could win.
[UNKNOWN]: Jeremy could win.
[UNKNOWN]: West isn't winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Read to the win.
[UNKNOWN]: Out Christie's certainly not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: John Mish could win.
[UNKNOWN]: bailer with bailers up for the bailers never win.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so either, but you have to be on a season with only her mom and she would still lose.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so you got to count Missy is one that knows no bailers never winning Keith Nail.
[UNKNOWN]: I honestly don't think everyone is much as we love him and I was gonna want to keep God keep God now could
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think so, not necessarily, it's just final for immunity to West, West, or not West.
[UNKNOWN]: Keith wins this season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Jacqueline wins over Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: When are you guys going to say, Jacqueline is too.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, that whole year.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, fine, all right, fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, only one of Keith or Jacqueline can get the winner.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you don't think you can win, Missy's not winning, Jacqueline's out.
[UNKNOWN]: So, that's 10.
[UNKNOWN]: 10 out of what?
[UNKNOWN]: 18.
[UNKNOWN]: And here's that's probably better than fans versus fans.
[UNKNOWN]: And here's the crazy thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, based on what you're also saying here these 10 out of 18, half of them could only win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: So like Bob Crowley could win survivor Suzy Smith could technically have won survivor two if you could have opened them out at the right time.
[UNKNOWN]: So like.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like Keith Nail could win this season, Keith Nail can't win any other season is not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think unless you want to argue she's good, I mean, that'd be a good story.
[UNKNOWN]: Rags to riches.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, fine, French Jessica win.
[UNKNOWN]: Alley's not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Hope's not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Actually, Allen hope could win.
[UNKNOWN]: They're part of that.
[UNKNOWN]: That, well, they could have won.
[UNKNOWN]: So Mar is definitely not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Laura could win, Brandon's not winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Matt Fishoff can definitely win.
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we'll land ours, not wait.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I'm making it on the wrong fingers here.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: Francesca Alley hope Laura Matt can win.
[UNKNOWN]: No, and then, and then tomorrow, Brandon hands to the land Eric can't win.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, Karin, well, I'll just just count people who can't win.
[UNKNOWN]: Karin could literally never win survival.
[UNKNOWN]: Karin could win for sure.
[UNKNOWN]: which is no good one for sure fill up no Malcolm yes rental yes Andrea yes Brenda yes at a love in what season and he's probably not winning as much as I love him Sherry can't win and then don't maybe
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's 13 people get a win.
[UNKNOWN]: So there was seven people who couldn't on a 20% class versus we'd said what?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, 10 people on an 18% class because I forget worth the numbers anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: At this point, John Henry says might as well go through every season at this rate.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't need to do this.
[UNKNOWN]: But the point is to do this because, again, this is what I've been fighting against.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, somebody doesn't like cough and one out of a thousand people.
[UNKNOWN]: I just want people to understand where I'm coming from right now because I need to have my time to talk.
[UNKNOWN]: And this is all I want.
[UNKNOWN]: I have had to do nonstop fighting against Will and Blake this entire time because of the ridiculous contradictions and I have been consistent and even I have pretty much just been like a godsend for this podcast the entire time and Will and Blake just sit here and contradict contradict and it's nice to see Will call out Blake on this because
[UNKNOWN]: Look, I'm going to say this right at the back, because I know that ranking Natalie here is not going to be popular.
[UNKNOWN]: People don't want to see Natalie this low.
[UNKNOWN]: People, I know in our chat, maybe it's popular.
[UNKNOWN]: But tell me if it's the comments tomorrow, people are going to be hating that we have Natalie here.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's the deal.
[UNKNOWN]: I ranked Natalie at 27.
[UNKNOWN]: I ranked Tyson at 23.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the blood versus water style season is kind of luck-based as much as I love the theme of blood versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: There are so many extra elements that go into this.
[UNKNOWN]: What is your loved one competitive?
[UNKNOWN]: Is your loved one worthwhile?
[UNKNOWN]: Nodia gets voted out first.
[UNKNOWN]: Easily, if Nodia goes out first, they could have said the same thing if that, if Honopoulos is, and they said, we're going to vote out Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: first.
[UNKNOWN]: And so for me when I sit here and I look at this season and I don't know why Will is doing that other than the try to distract me, which is kind of annoying because I feel like I'm making a pretty good point.
[UNKNOWN]: But the whole thing is when you watch this season, it doesn't really matter like how good Natalie's game is for me for some of it because so much of it is based around her loved one gets voted out first and therefore she's able to put herself in a swing position
[UNKNOWN]: And so for me that hurts her ranking, it also hurt Tyson's ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm not playing favorites.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to get into the we had a comment last week about how we ranked Michelle high, but she beat a woman and we value we value can see beating a man lesser something like essentially trying to call us the soginess and the stupidest way of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to so many better ways to call some of some.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like it was so insane of a comment and it was just it just made me so man.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like don't bring that here.
[UNKNOWN]: Like we are literally talking about the survivor players.
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's not that deep.
[UNKNOWN]: We're ranking the winners.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's what we're doing.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't want to hear the whole thing go away from losing and Michelle wasn't.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and here's my point though.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want, I don't want to hear like, oh, you guys had Natalie here, Phil, why did you do this for Natalie?
[UNKNOWN]: To me, it's just this blood versus water style.
[UNKNOWN]: It's so hard for me to just fully get behind somebody winning it and being amazing at the game, because there are so many things that go into those seasons that are out of every other survivor season.
[UNKNOWN]: I still respect Natalie's game.
[UNKNOWN]: Her moves from final seven, final six, final five are all amazing, but she doesn't start playing the
[UNKNOWN]: And at that point, if you look at the 10 people who are left in the game or the nine people who left in the game, whatever it is after Josh and Jeremy Go, it is Natalie's season.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the only one who's competent and now she's able to start playing the game, but she's playing against people who are John and Jack when you're getting in a fight, bailer and missy are automatically appearing.
[UNKNOWN]: You know that and you've already won over missy because missy just bosses bailer around the whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: Like there's too much that goes into that for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's
[UNKNOWN]: I just think other people going and like wanting Natalie to be a top five winner.
[UNKNOWN]: I know some people say she's like, no, I think that's a massive exaggeration.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's solid, but I don't think Natalie could ever win another survivor season.
[UNKNOWN]: I know people will say, well, she got to the end of winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: She's the first person voted out of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I don't think Natalie can actually win another survivor season.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that Natalie is somebody who could probably go pretty far in another survivor season, even without the edge of extinction twist.
[UNKNOWN]: but this is a game like she was it's almost like she was born to play blood versus water especially without her loved one and it worked out so much in her favor and and that's why I do knock her considerably but you know 27 and that's where I got her.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, let me talk positively about one of my top five winners of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Natalie Anderson and I love her game when she played survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she had a huge target on her back when she started this game.
[UNKNOWN]: She was the annoying 20s from Amazing Race.
[UNKNOWN]: She was the stunt casting for this season.
[UNKNOWN]: So there is a, oh gosh, we can't trust them.
[UNKNOWN]: They backstab people on the unfinished business season of amazing race.
[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of why Nadia goes home first, that adds to it.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, cool Nadia's gone.
[UNKNOWN]: So now Nadia Lee can focus on building relationships and not worrying about is my sister still gonna be at the merger, not.
[UNKNOWN]: But whether or not she started playing the game at final 10 or at final 17, she was running Hunapu in that core alliance and she was never going anywhere if Hunapu ever loses.
[UNKNOWN]: Hunapu is one of the strongest tribes of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: In my opinion, they literally 4.0 Koyopa.
[UNKNOWN]: And it is something where
[UNKNOWN]: I think that matters because that gives her the ability to maneuver throughout the rest of the game because she can talk with John.
[UNKNOWN]: She can talk with Missy and oh, the loved ones are being like, trust them because I know them so well.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how she gets in with Jacqueline and I do know there's the thought process of, well, she has no one else to be with so she's with us.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wait, her main alliance is with Jeremy and whenever she sees Jeremy go, she goes, okay, I am going to do this for Jeremy.
[UNKNOWN]: That's going to put me into another gear.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe she could have been just another person who had no idea what they're doing, but she locks in the gear thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Cool, the actual thought process.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she has one of the strongest, like final eight to final seven on when she goes, oh.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't mean to vote out that Christy brother, my bad, and everyone believes her.
[UNKNOWN]: Not a single person goes, I'm going to get her back for that.
[UNKNOWN]: She deals with Reed.
[UNKNOWN]: She, uh, Jacqueline, did you vote for who I vote, told you to vote for?
[UNKNOWN]: And that's something where I'm, it's insane.
[UNKNOWN]: When you look at this five two one vote,
[UNKNOWN]: one of those is their daughter, one of those is their lover and one of those is a gay man who's making sure that missy.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you do read, you do read the internet.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, you could you read that verbatim from every tweet about that because that's I read it in the first place back in front of me.
[UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: So I like this.
[UNKNOWN]: I get that you don't like Natalie and that's fine, but I do like Natalie and this is why I'm not saying I don't like Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: I think you're 20.
[UNKNOWN]: Very impassingly told us how much she should not be a top five and it's 27.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think they're like, they're like, I have a window at 26, so I'm not like, window, I've added about 25, so I'm not like, Adam, I have Michelle 25.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think you're passionately said here's how bad Natalie is.
[UNKNOWN]: And because I think you're about to, I gave my reasons for why you're entering 27, because I know people are going to come for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And I knew that people are going to support you with the ranking of five.
[UNKNOWN]: That's the only reason I did it.
[UNKNOWN]: Also, if anybody wants to know if Blake wants to tell his piece about Natalie or get $50 more, he wants to tell his piece about Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: I put this up for more playing for him.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake was like screw that 50 bucks.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care that he's late.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm late.
[UNKNOWN]: Sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm late.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm halfway into my time finally.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I mean, a couple things, first of all, they did not for, oh, coyote, but they three won them, because you're a Christy has to go.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, come on, Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's one through it, we threw it, we threw it, we threw it, we threw it, we threw it, um, okay, um, yeah, I mean, everybody can say what they want.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's right.
[UNKNOWN]: There's now lots of top five.
[UNKNOWN]: I know.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, so as did will lose the top five, but yeah, we'll lost the top five two because he had Kyle.
[UNKNOWN]: So Kyle and you have are willing.
[UNKNOWN]: You have both lost like Kyle.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like is a top 10 survivor winner.
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't just don't think that it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that your whole argument?
[UNKNOWN]: Cause that's pretty good.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it.
[UNKNOWN]: That's it, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't need it.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, again, I think, I think, feel free to bring up some really good points about the blood versus water and her loved one getting voted out first.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, really open things up and made her less threatening.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot going on there.
[UNKNOWN]: But also just like cast quality, again, I didn't include in the algorithms.
[UNKNOWN]: It felt like there would only be like four or five seasons where I'd be like the cast quality was so low.
[UNKNOWN]: We should dock point when and this would be one of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm down to do a ranking after this of rank all the cast from one through 50 of how smart their cast is when they start.
[UNKNOWN]: We should do that at something, maybe that's a fun offseason topic, like what was the best cast of terms of like loaded, like, yeah, like people who could win that you'd be different, like competitive cast?
[UNKNOWN]: This is not one of them.
[UNKNOWN]: Like this is like one of the least competitive cast in the history of Survivor.
[UNKNOWN]: All right, who is number four, I mean, and thank you worth playing for.
[UNKNOWN]: You're awesome, thanks for tuning in, sorry, your late good thing is you can not
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe we should.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on from Natalie.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, all right, here we go.
[UNKNOWN]: Earl, Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Denise coming in at 14 speaking of top five's will comes in here with Denise at five John on McKenna at 37 on this.
[UNKNOWN]: What's right, I have heard.
[UNKNOWN]: I have heard.
[UNKNOWN]: Next time you see John Mills.
[UNKNOWN]: So here's the mission for this.
[UNKNOWN]: Are they using an algorithm?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so there's a Tribal Hill, will with will with Denise at five.
[UNKNOWN]: I have Denise at 15 and Blake has Denise at 18.
[UNKNOWN]: This 37 if she is ranked 20 by them.
[UNKNOWN]: Denise is 11.
[UNKNOWN]: So still not top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: There's a massive gap between 11 and 10, but still still Denise 14.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, why don't you go first on this one with fun?
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think, I kind of alluded to this earlier with the Vesapia thing.
[UNKNOWN]: Like if you're the first one to do the version of your win, I kind of respected Vesapia, maybe not so much because that was only the fourth season.
[UNKNOWN]: So like if you're playing the fourth season, you have a lot more types of games to play for the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: But here we're in season 25.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, that took me way too long.
[UNKNOWN]: Man, and I know three tribes really like this is kind of set up like how you went and went in the three tribes season like she literally like the Tika three should think to these for doing this and like proving that it can be done.
[UNKNOWN]: But to go in with known numbers at the merge and obviously that's helped because you're a swing position, but then to keep in the middle and kind of sway a little bit back and forth between.
[UNKNOWN]: And then.
[UNKNOWN]: I've been going to every single tribal council.
[UNKNOWN]: I know you want to win challenges and I understand that winning challenges is good.
[UNKNOWN]: You want to avoid tribal council.
[UNKNOWN]: But like if the niece wins like one pre-merged mini challenge like I probably wouldn't change her ranking like at all.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that's not what's doing it here.
[UNKNOWN]: Doing it for what the hell?
[UNKNOWN]: Phil just left.
[UNKNOWN]: He's back.
[UNKNOWN]: He's got it again.
[UNKNOWN]: This is what happens.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, to me it's like I think that the main knock against Denise's game could be like, okay, well, she went to the end with Malcolm and you know, gets the end with Malcolm at final three.
[UNKNOWN]: She loses.
[UNKNOWN]: We don't know if that's necessarily true.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Malcolm is super likable, but
[UNKNOWN]: At that point how old is he 23 24 and you have like a confident like like sex therapist woman who's been like the leader of kind of every like that everyone could kind of rely on and count on like I don't think it's a slam dunk that Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: would necessarily beat Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: So she gets to the end.
[UNKNOWN]: She's beating pretty much everybody outside of Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: Phil, I'm curious what you think.
[UNKNOWN]: Do you think Malcolm beats Denise?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think this could drive people thinking.
[UNKNOWN]: I think a lot of people think Malcolm would win easily.
[UNKNOWN]: But I made the argument of like 24-year-old.
[UNKNOWN]: I heard it all day.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I was I was listening.
[UNKNOWN]: I just I'm trying to figure out.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what is happening and that's the problem.
[UNKNOWN]: I was seeing if maybe the browser changed would work, but then I'd have to do too much.
[UNKNOWN]: But I heard the argument.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that Denise versus Malcolm is closer than people think.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Malcolm ultimately does win.
[UNKNOWN]: Really.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that I think Pete votes for Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that like, you know, you have more of like those younger people who I think would gravitate towards Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that's what I think like how he goes for Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like Abby votes for, for, for, for, for.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think no, Abbey hated Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: Abbey hated Denise really said that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is one where Denise said it's not, but I don't think that's what you do.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that's what you do.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Denise is somebody that is very interesting in the who cares what she does for winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's very interesting in survivor because usually have to be extremely likable or you have to be extremely in charge or you have to be extremely lucky to win and I don't think she's any of them.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's she is likable enough but she gets in major fights with a lot of people.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she's not lucky.
[UNKNOWN]: She literally going to every signal tribal council and she's never really in charge of anything.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, yes, she's in charge of matching with Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: She can maneuver where she is there.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, we have to go through Lisa and scoop in as well.
[UNKNOWN]: And it's something where I think she played so dominantly from the bottom if that's even a thing, where it's very cool to see that.
[UNKNOWN]: And if somebody I've could ever go, who do you want to emulate to win?
[UNKNOWN]: Denise, that would be like, don't, like, it's so much harder to win as Denise than any other survivor win.
[UNKNOWN]: I do think when people say like, I want an alliance as strong as Malcolm and Denise, they don't realize how much work we probably went into it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and it's something where it's like good for them that they never faltered on that, but they did need each other.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think this is something where this isn't a knock against an East's game.
[UNKNOWN]: But when you're like, what would the fire making challenge be good for?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it kind of would have been cool to see.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, one of these people may be Malcolm one immunity and Denise one fire, and then they had to do final tribal against each other.
[UNKNOWN]: who would have won?
[UNKNOWN]: Like, that maybe that's one of the reasons that fire does get made like that eventually 10 seasons later.
[UNKNOWN]: But it is something where, all right, Denise is the one who gets taken because Malcolm goes home and she wins it and that's, you can't knock her for that.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, the thing with Denise's game and why I think it's crazy John McKenner sitting here at 37 with Denise like the niece goes to every tribal council I'm that saying she drives all of that like she is the person at final three of that tribe who is making the decision about whether Russell Swan or Malcolm are going home.
[UNKNOWN]: that what she pulls on Russell Swan there is incredible social gameplay.
[UNKNOWN]: Like when she's sitting there and just having that conversation with them, getting them to open up so much, he really thinks he's safe.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't have the idol anyway, but then she has to go to a tribe where it's one versus six.
[UNKNOWN]: And she's on the tribe that keeps losing.
[UNKNOWN]: Now I know that Dana ultimately ends up getting like the quit slash meta-vac.
[UNKNOWN]: But
[UNKNOWN]: She still has to be able to work her way in and then ultimately what I find to be even more impressive is she works her way in really well there, but then goes over to the tan danger and is even able to work really well with them like he hurt she is the reason that her and Malcolm get to scoop in and Lisa first before penner does.
[UNKNOWN]: Like Denise was working everybody and I know that she goes six one one here.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry that she wasn't able to, you know, get Carter's vote because all of us were dying to find out how to get Carter's vote.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, I think Lisa actually does play a solid runner up game.
[UNKNOWN]: I was talking about when we did Philippines.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Scoop and continuously puts himself in a swing position and it's not as bad of a game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's just Tandang did not respect him at all.
[UNKNOWN]: But when you turn around and you look at the way that Denise worked this socially, I mean, it could literally be the best social game in the history of the show because she went to every tribal and had to prove it over and over and over again that she deserved to be there.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I mean, I have her at 15 and she comes in at 14.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is a perfect spot, but like will you rank here at five?
[UNKNOWN]: This is the first person ranked in the top five out of the two we've seen so far that I do not disagree with.
[UNKNOWN]: A ranked at five so you have Kyle not as high as Denise is that crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have Kyle is high.
[UNKNOWN]: I also don't have Natalie Anderson is high.
[UNKNOWN]: If anybody was wondering.
[UNKNOWN]: True.
[UNKNOWN]: Max.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what you want to say.
[UNKNOWN]: Like either you like Denise's game because she's the only winner to go to every single travel council and make it through it.
[UNKNOWN]: I think she wasn't just there.
[UNKNOWN]: Like she like you said,
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, so you could call call dominant in an in a way because you had every single person going home.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I haven't said this in 36 times that we've done this so far, but I also like when you look at her cast photo, you're like, she's not winning and then it's like, oh, shit.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a monster sharp sharp and then we have Darrell see more here Denise had a killer social game, too.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, she really she.
[UNKNOWN]: She was straight up with people trusted Denise.
[UNKNOWN]: They were lie to her.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like if she told you how she was going, like she didn't, she didn't make any like these huge like backstab or betrayal.
[UNKNOWN]: She was just like straight up.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's what I'm doing.
[UNKNOWN]: This is the right play.
[UNKNOWN]: This is our best move and just waltz to the end of that game.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think she had a chance to be Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: I think so.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: In the algorithm, I actually look back.
[UNKNOWN]: I gave her, I gave her eight.
[UNKNOWN]: So I didn't say you thought she had Malcolm.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you did it through top six.
[UNKNOWN]: That's right.
[UNKNOWN]: So five.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think she's beating everybody in that season, except for Malcolm potentially, which I don't even know if that's true.
[UNKNOWN]: So I should could have been even high as what I'm saying.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Let's move on to number 13.
[UNKNOWN]: Then shall we?
[UNKNOWN]: Sarah Lucina from game changers the season we're currently doing for every season matters if you want to check that out John and McKenna coming in here at five so they have Denise at 37 Sarah at five okay Not quite as crazy as what Blake did earlier today, but that's okay.
[UNKNOWN]: Will will come in in at three or eight
[UNKNOWN]: Will come in at 28 with Sarah Lassina.
[UNKNOWN]: All her votes against were negated.
[UNKNOWN]: She beats Brad at Troy's Ann.
[UNKNOWN]: I ultimately had Sarah at 17 just one spot in front of parv because this is really fresh in my mind.
[UNKNOWN]: I just finished game changers and her second portion of the game from the merge on it is Sarah's game.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like her game is just insane and it is so so so so so impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: Early on, she doesn't have to do anything, but her game in the post merge is just impeccable the way she's able to flip flop back and forth and make everything work for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, though, she's coming into a returning player season where the target on her back is a lot smaller than some others.
[UNKNOWN]: Now, granted, she has the likes of Haley and Sierra.
[UNKNOWN]: and Caleb and some of these other players, but the same track you in there, go ahead.
[UNKNOWN]: For me, people are saying, what, 28?
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't even think this was low.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, the fact that people even are considering server for top 10, I'm like, oh, I didn't even know that.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm always said game changers is like my survivor black hole.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know it very well.
[UNKNOWN]: I saw it once while I was out on location for the show shooting.
[UNKNOWN]: You haven't watched it again?
[UNKNOWN]: I have not, I've started it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I think four episodes in.
[UNKNOWN]: I really haven't seen Sarah do much of anything.
[UNKNOWN]: We're really impressed by Sarah, though, I haven't really seen her do much, but I think like from the start of that season in like the weird cast where it's like, okay, we're going to put
[UNKNOWN]: three winners on who like on like this mishmash cast like three winners aren't we're not getting this second time winner you're just not not after Sandra's already done it everyone's gonna be on like so like Tony has no chance way too big of a threat Sandra there's no way there's letting Sandra go three for three for wins at her first appearances no way JT get the hell out of here like those are three people who just aren't winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Then you have like the head scratching, Haley Sierra's who are like, huh?
[UNKNOWN]: And then you have some people that are like, probably not even like ever going to win, your Caleb's, your Debbie's.
[UNKNOWN]: And then you maybe have people that are too big of legends mixed in with your Sierra's and Haley's, like Ozzy and Surrey.
[UNKNOWN]: And it leaves this like very, very specific narrow part of the cast.
[UNKNOWN]: That can potentially win and it's like I think like maybe six people that could feasibly win.
[UNKNOWN]: I know Zika McKayler are there, but they're kind of unknowns because that they played back to back.
[UNKNOWN]: It's tough for an unknown person to get to the end of win.
[UNKNOWN]: We've never seen it happen before.
[UNKNOWN]: So like you almost write them off.
[UNKNOWN]: And now we're looking at what we've got like Aubrey valid, but also super high threat level, even though somehow she lost well.
[UNKNOWN]: Sarah's one of the few people there.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if Ty is ever winning a survivor season just because of the way he's being seen.
[UNKNOWN]: This is not against Ty, but like can you convey it?
[UNKNOWN]: And argument that if I don't try to tell a council, I don't know if that's in there for Ty, you can probably,
[UNKNOWN]: Brad Cole pepper sure.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he was always going to be like kind of a raw rod.
[UNKNOWN]: Some people aren't going to, he's going to rub people the wrong way.
[UNKNOWN]: Troy's in maybe, but he's a girl's zero vote, but finalists here.
[UNKNOWN]: So like how many potential people could actually win James Jangers?
[UNKNOWN]: I think they're you can say them on one hand and like that's the knock again Sarah for me is that this this whole season was so Like mishmosh together, it was illid vise like this should never have happened.
[UNKNOWN]: This should not have been a season of survivor and I understand that it was and that she played great and she won I need to go back and rewatch her game, but like when I compare it to first time players
[UNKNOWN]: Because when you're coming in here with all these different threat levels, some people are threatened way too high.
[UNKNOWN]: Some people threaten the way too low.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like she's in this perfect middle tier spot where it's like, okay, it makes sense that she was the one standing at the end.
[UNKNOWN]: Not saying she doesn't deserve it.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, we said it all these winners.
[UNKNOWN]: But like having her as a top 10 winner for a season that shouldn't exist, I find that to be extremely high.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like middle of the pack is probably where she should live.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think 13 isn't a bad spot for Sarah, but I remember I think,
[UNKNOWN]: think if I'm not mistaken it was Sarah versus Denise and the Dalton Ross bracket and Denise wanted people were like shocked by that it's like no like Sarah's game on game changes is cool and it is really impressive but I do think that like
[UNKNOWN]: What Denise does tends to be viewed a little bit more positively than Sarah overall.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Sarah's game is excellent, but Sarah also has more room the wiggle here.
[UNKNOWN]: The reason why ultimately put her one spot ahead of parr and why ranked her like, you know, higher than some other people, you can, you can let what went back on the podcast.
[UNKNOWN]: Now Royals says, okay, Will's cooking will really want to me to say that.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, the whole reason why
[UNKNOWN]: I made sure that I put Sarah where I did.
[UNKNOWN]: She is one of only two people to ever get the better of Cere.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, obviously, get the better of Cere.
[UNKNOWN]: And what she pulls with the steal of a vote and giving it to Cere to make Cere feel comfortable and like, Cere not reading the fine print and that ultimately being the reason.
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: No, and you were like, come on, so we didn't We'll let you down.
[UNKNOWN]: No, let me finish.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me finish.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, you got to read.
[UNKNOWN]: You got to build.
[UNKNOWN]: You're not sick.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, great.
[UNKNOWN]: Great.
[UNKNOWN]: For the season so well, and you've watched four episodes, it's mean you really watch two, which means we're never going to be able to podcast it.
[UNKNOWN]: There it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't real truth is.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not at final six.
[UNKNOWN]: That's where you don't even understand.
[UNKNOWN]: It happens at final seven.
[UNKNOWN]: Sarah and Sireer are working together.
[UNKNOWN]: And Siree thinks that, oh, she got this thing.
[UNKNOWN]: And now she's going to be able to take control.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she's played one over on Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: And in reality, she can't play it.
[UNKNOWN]: She can't do anything with it.
[UNKNOWN]: And Sarah knew that, but doesn't explicitly state that to Siree, doesn't as a shine of confidence.
[UNKNOWN]: And when Siree tries to blindside Sarah, Sarah turns around and is like, no.
[UNKNOWN]: That is not going to happen.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm taking that back and now I don't trust you, Cere.
[UNKNOWN]: And at that point, it's like, okay, great, she actually does trick Cere, shows what Cere is really all about, which I think people are ready to vote around anyway, but it is that moment of like,
[UNKNOWN]: Suri, who everybody's gonna say is the greatest to never win, Sarah gets the absolute best of her in that moment, and Sarah's kind of setting this stuff up from like, final 10, final 11 on.
[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, I think Sarah does deserve that, and that's why I ranked her as spot higher than parv, because parv doesn't get the better of Suri.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets the better of production twist that lets her beat Suri.
[UNKNOWN]: That was my point.
[UNKNOWN]: Suri, you know, one of these votes in this, earned as for you.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, game changers is a disaster of a season.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's giving like 50 vibes.
[UNKNOWN]: And I had Aubrey very low because I'm like, this season is too like the winner of this season, just kind of ended up as the winner of the season.
[UNKNOWN]: Again, I need to rewatch it, but it kind of feels like that.
[UNKNOWN]: And the cast is what are we, what are we doing?
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't feel like a fair playing field.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a bad season.
[UNKNOWN]: Will I rank it higher or lower than all stars?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the question.
[UNKNOWN]: Go ahead, Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, it's interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: She gets like 10th on Kagion.
[UNKNOWN]: Then she gets first on her second season.
[UNKNOWN]: And then fourth on her third.
[UNKNOWN]: And you see her do some spin-off stuff.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think she always had whenever we're going to say Tony's first win, who could have beaten him?
[UNKNOWN]: Is this Cass?
[UNKNOWN]: Sarah could have beaten him, and she gets out maneuvered in Kageon.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's cool to see.
[UNKNOWN]: somebody like that come back and do the put up or shut up.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't really see her on the same level as Sierra Don Thomas or Hayley because I do think she got extremely cocky here first time.
[UNKNOWN]: Gets humbled figures out how this works and whether she is always going to be on the same season as Tony and can work with them or work with against them and then start from there.
[UNKNOWN]: It is cool to see her evolve and I think there was like there's plenty of people that play
[UNKNOWN]: I know what I did wrong and I'm changing but hers is the most iconic of I play too much like a cop this time I'm playing like a criminal I think why that is so not famous but so like I remember that is because it it kind of worked and it kind of is like yeah we need someone to be cut throat to win this season.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's something where one Sarah comes back and plays for winners at war.
[UNKNOWN]: This isn't a fluke and her... her...
[UNKNOWN]: the caliber of player gets better.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you'd say Cogion's players are better than game changers or not.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that would be an interesting go one by one by one.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it is like, wow, Sarah is a threat to win any season she's on.
[UNKNOWN]: And probably could have been where Tony is if she wins fire.
[UNKNOWN]: So I think it's worth being like, Sarah is closer to 10 than 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the thing with Sarah also is like, um, she, she gets duped so hard and the maturity that changes in three years is pretty crazy for her.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, she really does change.
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like as a person, she's more okay.
[UNKNOWN]: She realizes like her job is in everything.
[UNKNOWN]: and it feels like she was willing to just go out and play survivor the second time.
[UNKNOWN]: But again, this goes to the whole thing of like, what happens and why we rank the second time winners a little bit lower, something that will and I fully agree on, and we've talked about a lot.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, she, like, okay, cool her arc is awesome and she came out with a better plan.
[UNKNOWN]: But in the purest form of survivor,
[UNKNOWN]: she gets absolutely like cut at the knees.
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like hard for me to know what to do with her on the second wing, because yes, it's impressive, but it also takes her really like, you know, it's not the full version of what Sarah is.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: She was my winner picked the first time.
[UNKNOWN]: She was my winner picked the second time.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't make her my winner picked for winners at war, but she comes in here at 13.
[UNKNOWN]: So that's it.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: Final notes on Sarah.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[UNKNOWN]: I got it.
[UNKNOWN]: It feels way too high.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's just me.
[UNKNOWN]: John and McKenna really helped us.
[UNKNOWN]: So the next person we have, this is the lowest gap between the highest and lowest ranking for a player, not in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: So.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: You better don't.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: Sandra.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina West.
[UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if.
[UNKNOWN]: I think I finally got no I was a little bit off.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're never you're never going to get one exact Blake maybe you do.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't actually know if you do or not.
[UNKNOWN]: I got under what it 50's my only exact one.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we all got under one.
[UNKNOWN]: This is one of those things where it's not working.
[UNKNOWN]: Somebody tell me if Blake's talking.
[UNKNOWN]: I am not talking about now I am Tina I think is somebody where just like we're going to probably rank rich in the top 10 if he's not 11 When people are doing this for the first time It is impressive and worth not bumping them down like oh Tina never had to play and I don't but it is something where Colby was so dominant how does Tina still win It's cuz she's playing the social game and maneuvering herself and doing the stuff of how are we gonna get passed?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh God, this is so long ago.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Cagora.
[UNKNOWN]: Cagora and Cucha.
[UNKNOWN]: Because so, how are we going to get past the Cucha?
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, well, she's on over Cora, right?
[UNKNOWN]: She is on over Cora.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, thank God.
[UNKNOWN]: How are we going to get past Cucha?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, there's, Varner has an extra vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Here's how we're going to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: We never thought we could.
[UNKNOWN]: Winds of things.
[UNKNOWN]: Sticks would cold be.
[UNKNOWN]: Cold be could have been backstab, but we don't have to.
[UNKNOWN]: We need to manage Jerry.
[UNKNOWN]: There's all this stuff going on.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry thinks she's a bitch, but she's going to be fine.
[UNKNOWN]: Amber.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, what is Amber going to do?
[UNKNOWN]: Amber, you're like, you're kind of like a cool daughter.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember this is Alex Axe, but all of that stuff is in her social game and working well.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why she gets the fourth three.
[UNKNOWN]: Let me go look in her votes real quick.
[UNKNOWN]: So I don't see you crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: It's also, it's also, I'm just going to say like what I also find fascinating about Tina's ranking.
[UNKNOWN]: Here is none of us actually ranked her 12 or higher, but she comes in here at number 12.
[UNKNOWN]: I had her at 13.
[UNKNOWN]: Will you had her at 21?
[UNKNOWN]: And then Blake, you had her at
[UNKNOWN]: Where did you have?
[UNKNOWN]: You had her at 16, John and McKenner had her at 17.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're all just like super none of us were like passionately like all man Tina's got to take her off.
[UNKNOWN]: Nobody tanked her.
[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: 21 I thought was pretty.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm thought I thought I was going to be middle to high of the group on Tina.
[UNKNOWN]: I did not think 21 would be the lowest for Tina.
[UNKNOWN]: I really like Tina's game.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's just like
[UNKNOWN]: did, you know, I appreciate probably the Sepia maybe more.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I do.
[UNKNOWN]: That'd be interesting.
[UNKNOWN]: But like, yeah, she got the numbers at the merge.
[UNKNOWN]: A lot of that was her doing, though, at least with the Jeff Farner, you know, this was off camera.
[UNKNOWN]: This changed reality for every day.
[UNKNOWN]: Were they weren't recording?
[UNKNOWN]: And they said, who did, who was it?
[UNKNOWN]: Who did X vote for?
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, Jeff, that was the previous vote.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Amy tells them, yep.
[UNKNOWN]: Ty breaker.
[UNKNOWN]: She'll just apply that for two days.
[UNKNOWN]: later on.
[UNKNOWN]: She also got Keith's vote to win, which I think is very like that is the difference of like who who is going to split.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, sure, it's three three everywhere else, but Keith has been with us this whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: Colby and Keith were growing down and like hand shaking, but he eventually votes for Tina instead and I think that's something where I've said it a little bit in the past like one an alliance member is choosing between two of their alliance members, I value that vote a lot and Keith voting for Tina over Colby, I think can still stay stuff say something to you 24 years later.
[UNKNOWN]: in my pairwise rankings.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.
[UNKNOWN]: Algorithm did not like Tina, had Tina at 35.
[UNKNOWN]: So like this is all four.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was like, thinking, wait, it's like, I'm very high.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I don't know how I'm the lowest one here.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I think Tina's game is transcendent.
[UNKNOWN]: I completely agree.
[UNKNOWN]: I think what was also awesome about Tina's game.
[UNKNOWN]: It's something that like gets lost in the mix now when we're in 2026, this aired in 2021.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that the reason I rank here at 13, I'm sorry, 2001, sorry.
[UNKNOWN]: I can't even think.
[UNKNOWN]: It's 1215, man.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm on the East Coast tonight.
[UNKNOWN]: You got some Patriot and stuff after this.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I can't wait.
[UNKNOWN]: I got the reason
[UNKNOWN]: It was all subtle the whole time.
[UNKNOWN]: And this wasn't luck.
[UNKNOWN]: She beats a guy who at this time, and I think it's really hard for people to understand this.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, when you watch Colby win five immunities and what survivor is your senior?
[UNKNOWN]: So okay, that's the guy who's gonna win.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, almost everybody in America thought Colby was winning.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the most popular player at the time, everybody loved Colby.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina showed that you could win in a different way.
[UNKNOWN]: When, not when the show needed it,
[UNKNOWN]: But did it early enough to prove that the 40-year-old woman could be the young athletic guy in the game if she did it right?
[UNKNOWN]: If you go your first three winners, Hatch, Colby, Ethan, the show isn't a totally different spot there, I feel.
[UNKNOWN]: And it might not be a worse spot, but Tina getting that win is early she did no votes against her, not the person that the people in the opposition are going for.
[UNKNOWN]: She does a great job socially, not granted.
[UNKNOWN]: is it helped by the fact that, yes, it's five, five, they get the five-four advantage and they're able to just work their way through.
[UNKNOWN]: It is, but she does good enough with Roger and Elizabeth where they do get rid of Jerry, where they do get rid of Amber before they get rid of those two.
[UNKNOWN]: And that was all signs of her social game.
[UNKNOWN]: She cuts Mad Dog early on because she knows it's better for her game and that's unbelievably impressive.
[UNKNOWN]: She steps down to not win immunity because she knows it's better for the game and her tribe if Keith gets the immunity necklace
[UNKNOWN]: So Teno was actually thinking about the game in a very competitive way.
[UNKNOWN]: This is nothing to do with obviously the first one on all stars is there's nothing to do with the fact that she makes a deep run on blood versus water.
[UNKNOWN]: I just think that Teno's game on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it's not going to be as flashy.
[UNKNOWN]: There's not going to be idle players.
[UNKNOWN]: There's not going to be that.
[UNKNOWN]: But when survivor was at it, it's just like purest form.
[UNKNOWN]: The game that Tina plays is top notch and like I just favor that version of survivor and being able to navigate that and it's sitting next to Colby and win it.
[UNKNOWN]: That means that she could have beaten every single person on that cast.
[UNKNOWN]: There's no doubt about.
[UNKNOWN]: Phil, you're one of the biggest Colby fans of all time.
[UNKNOWN]: I love Colby.
[UNKNOWN]: Colby's a child.
[UNKNOWN]: The hero.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how good Tina is.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and and that is the funny thing worth playing for says right here if Colby did take Keith people would probably say Colby would have beaten Tina and that's what's so funny about Survivor like you hear all these wood this person to be in this person with this person to be in this person Brad is actually the one who changes Jeff's mind at game changers because he says Jeff we can't talk about this now It's not in the heat of the moment.
[UNKNOWN]: We've had time to think about it whatever, but it's like
[UNKNOWN]: we don't really know who would have beaten who.
[UNKNOWN]: So when somebody like Tina actually sits next to Cole, I think Cole wants to beat and cheat, though.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm talking.
[UNKNOWN]: Chuck, it was like, I can say you're seven.
[UNKNOWN]: No, I know it's not the heat of the moment, but I feel pretty good about that one.
[UNKNOWN]: You think seven nothing will or six one.
[UNKNOWN]: Jerry votes for Keith.
[UNKNOWN]: Who does Jerry vote for in Keith versus Colby?
[UNKNOWN]: Tina, Tina, for Keith too, because she'd be pissed that Cole would be voted her.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, in Tina just played, I know I say this sometimes, but like Tina played the aweshocks.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just a Southern mom and I just want my Doritos and don't worry about the guy.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just right up in Survivor Reddit by somebody who like just like goes be by beat of how great Tina's game.
[UNKNOWN]: If you haven't checked that out, it really opened my eyes to Tina.
[UNKNOWN]: And I had read this a while ago and then when we did our Australia rewatch, I pay close attention.
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh yeah.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, Tina knew exactly what she was doing.
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.
[UNKNOWN]: Tina did.
[UNKNOWN]: All right.
[UNKNOWN]: We're on to number 11, the final person to not make the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: And I hinted at it earlier, there's two people that we haven't said yet that I put in that thing and said, one of them was making final 10 and the other wasn't so Sandra or Tom, what do you guys think Sandra comes up here?
[UNKNOWN]: I think Tom is the one who goes to top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: What do you think Blake?
[UNKNOWN]: Tom is our 11th place, sir.
[UNKNOWN]: all because of will.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm coming in at 11.
[UNKNOWN]: It's actually not will.
[UNKNOWN]: It's John.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a Kenna with 25 ranking there.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom Westman comes in at 11.
[UNKNOWN]: I have him ranked five.
[UNKNOWN]: So we all lost our fifth placeers today, which is really, really funny that that just happened to all of us just accidentally will lost four of his top 10 in this episode, I believe.
[UNKNOWN]: Tough night.
[UNKNOWN]: But Tom Westman comes in here at number 11.
[UNKNOWN]: Look, I'll go first on this because this is my number one.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I, this is like one of my big groups.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I only had him at five, but the difference between five and 11 here, I think is crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: I think that Tom's game goes undervalued because of how absolutely unbelievably dominate is.
[UNKNOWN]: It almost gets taken for granted.
[UNKNOWN]: I know I talk about this all the time in the pre-merge.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to fault you for winning immunities.
[UNKNOWN]: But when it comes to this situation as well, like Michelle and Caurong, she's not the reason her tribe is winning.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom is literally leading this tribe in every single moment of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: He is the one making the decisions about who's gonna sit out and who's gonna play.
[UNKNOWN]: He's the one who's providing for the tribe.
[UNKNOWN]: He absolutely dominates.
[UNKNOWN]: He wins five individual communities.
[UNKNOWN]: I think he has the fewest times eligible.
[UNKNOWN]: You voted out and survive her history.
[UNKNOWN]: Or something like that.
[UNKNOWN]: He him and boo burness of all people are tied for the most wins overall.
[UNKNOWN]: And who beat boo and who beat boo?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, be caught.
[UNKNOWN]: And so like they're tied for that like it is just an unbelievably dominant game and this is the one will where I've been giving you a hard time pretty consistently throughout the series Because on a six one win here, you ranked Danny over Tom which to me It's just an egregious misstep and I know you made all these arguments and you said why the algorithm did it and this that whatever the algorithm
[UNKNOWN]: This is why I kept saying your algorithm wasn't taking into account enough just like immunity wins in all that because Tom's game is I don't think it's the best I have it at five and I'm okay with people who want to put it at 10 or nine or eight whatever but it is literally statistically the most dominant game in the history of the show maybe with the exception of JT
[UNKNOWN]: He does every single thing right.
[UNKNOWN]: And what is crazy is when he doesn't win immunities, he doesn't get votes.
[UNKNOWN]: That's how unbelievably well he was playing.
[UNKNOWN]: And the only reason Kobe doesn't vote for him is because Kobe didn't want him to get every vote on that jury, because Kobe absolutely hated Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: But Tom also understood,
[UNKNOWN]: Kobe is the threat and if Kobe's going to hate me anyway, I'm just going to get rid of him right away before we even get rid of staff.
[UNKNOWN]: He uses stuff and he perfectly on this season.
[UNKNOWN]: He absolutely brainwashes Ian it's insane.
[UNKNOWN]: He walks all over Greg and Jen.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a brilliant game because she sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Karen sucks.
[UNKNOWN]: It is a brilliant brilliant brilliant brilliant brilliant brilliant game and to me it's just like the fact that Tom is coming in at 11 and it's a wide gap between Tom and 10th place a 13 point gap.
[UNKNOWN]: So like we're talking even if will it can even give you a hard time if you would rank them at eight he's still coming in at 11th place.
[UNKNOWN]: He has a lot of challenge points for all the challenge wins, which literally makes that like, he's talking to them doesn't, doesn't hate them too much, honestly.
[UNKNOWN]: I think here's the thing with Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's a couple things for me.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think Tom's a great winner.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I do think he's a very good winner.
[UNKNOWN]: He did what he needed to do in an era when he needed to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Um, your, yes, dominant challenge wins early, but I think a lot of that has to do with the uneven nature of the tribe division.
[UNKNOWN]: This is like the first season where they get to pick their tribes.
[UNKNOWN]: we've seen a pattern of survivor when they leave picking tribes up to the cast.
[UNKNOWN]: The cast does a terrible job and they result in the most uneven tribes.
[UNKNOWN]: This one being the example we see it later in Cabone where ACE is like, yeah, I'm a photographers, so I need sugar instead of the big buff guy over there is gonna help me win challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: Like, it's not uneven because of Thomas.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes it is.
[UNKNOWN]: Go ahead, you finished, but yes it is.
[UNKNOWN]: He gets a part of that challenge dominance.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think we can be like single handedly.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom is the reason why it's got to pick up an exit.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, or what's the try?
[UNKNOWN]: Why can't we come up with a car or a car?
[UNKNOWN]: What?
[UNKNOWN]: Why they get u-law?
[UNKNOWN]: U-law and gets crored because of Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: He's a part of it.
[UNKNOWN]: No doubt.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think it's like not, and I appreciate it, but it's like almost like you didn't play half the game.
[UNKNOWN]: Like you just didn't go to traffic council and you're relying on eight other people, just like you.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe you're contributing a little bit more, but it's not like I'm solely going out there and winning all these challenge.
[UNKNOWN]: You had other athletic guys there.
[UNKNOWN]: You had Greg, you had Ian, you had Jen, was fairly athletic.
[UNKNOWN]: was so much stronger.
[UNKNOWN]: That was a different thing.
[UNKNOWN]: He was a mess, though.
[UNKNOWN]: But the ex-beats are Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: Tom is the reason that this tribe wasn't a mess.
[UNKNOWN]: Right.
[UNKNOWN]: And he's a great leader.
[UNKNOWN]: But it's almost like you didn't play half the show.
[UNKNOWN]: And then he was a great lead.
[UNKNOWN]: Later on, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: What survivor was doing in its earlier seasons where challenges are very one note, especially the immunity challenges are more skewed towards men, they are more strength-based and as we see later now they might be honestly skewed towards women with all the little tiny balance beams and your foot size not being taken to the same as the James Miller season right.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think they've gone completely like over-corrected, but like a lot of the earlier seasons, why you see a immunity run from the likes of like five in a row, from Colby and Australia, as we just mentioned.
[UNKNOWN]: We see Tom go, what he wins five here, and plow.
[UNKNOWN]: We see Terry go on and insane one, two seasons from now.
[UNKNOWN]: Is that these challenges are often testing one skill set, and so yes, he did
[UNKNOWN]: dominate the challenges, but it's a point where it was like, okay, so we get it.
[UNKNOWN]: You're the strongest, like, other, other, other parts of this, but here's the other question you have, right?
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just like, you just contradict it again, though, because you said that Tom's a part of it because he has Karen and he has are not Karen.
[UNKNOWN]: He has Greg and he goes out and he beats Greg and Ian in all of these challenges.
[UNKNOWN]: So like what like he's he's he's not the reason that it's tribe is winning because he's just a piece of what he's eating them anyway.
[UNKNOWN]: He's one of them is the reason that Coror is as dominant as it is like it is one of the reasons why his tribe is successful 100%.
[UNKNOWN]: I also would say like I came in this ranking saying this like.
[UNKNOWN]: a challenge for word player to me is not as impressive or exciting and I am going to be like you're you know survive or in and you're the survive or gee like I like yo It's nothing like look we have to rank them, but like Denise went to every tribal like that's that to me He's like holy she survived every travel at a hand in voting out everyone else in her season when Tom didn't go to travel once premarge And I'm not saying he should have been going to travel once premarge
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, okay, they voted out a Willard will an unanimous vote because he had aligned them all to not do it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not sitting here being like Oh, Tom should have thrown a challenge so he could be higher in a futuristic podcast ranking from will.
[UNKNOWN]: That's not what I'm saying But I'm saying is I can take everything holistically and be like yeah, he's a challenge for a player.
[UNKNOWN]: He did do a very good job like insulating himself in his alliance, but like
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I mostly agree with you, but I think I think five to me feels feels high.
[UNKNOWN]: I think 11 here's actually a very nice spot for come.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm,
[UNKNOWN]: I ranked Tom at 12th, and I'm going to say what you said in a different way of Tom beat a lot of Palau on the football field, and I think a lot of people watching Survivor are more nerdy, a lot of Survivor are people are more social, because this is our football.
[UNKNOWN]: And so when somebody is the best quarterback of all time, I could never be Tom.
[UNKNOWN]: But I relate to some other people more.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think whether this comes into play or not in rankings, when Tom plays a second time, he doesn't make a merge.
[UNKNOWN]: And that's because, oh, he's so strong and so thought, but he didn't get his winners at war to come back and make a deep run at five.
[UNKNOWN]: So it is something where I think this does break
[UNKNOWN]: between 12, 15, 16, ranking Tom under 20, I think is pretty insane just because Tom is so dominant.
[UNKNOWN]: I think this is something where maybe if you didn't see this live, maybe if you weren't watching this with your parents as a 14 year old, 20 year old, you can't really, if you didn't watch Palau live, you can't really remember how crazy it was if this was happening.
[UNKNOWN]: Wow, it was such a weird season where I think it's kind of not a footnote, but it's like a, let's speed through this because there is no answer of just career figured out, does it long figured out or not, no, they get too long.
[UNKNOWN]: It is something where you're like, when you're binging that, I don't think you get the gravity of Tom's game and how good it is.
[UNKNOWN]: And that being said, Blake, why are you putting them at 12?
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's something where if you beat somebody on the football fields, that's one way to win.
[UNKNOWN]: But I think if you look at my list, is here's what these people did maybe more strategically or more socially.
[UNKNOWN]: And I like what Tom did, but that's why I have them at 12.
[UNKNOWN]: Cockroach was a football field player, by the way.
[UNKNOWN]: That's why he was at 39.
[UNKNOWN]: It's, if he doesn't win immunities, I still think Tom is the winner of this season.
[UNKNOWN]: Like they're not voting Tom out of the game.
[UNKNOWN]: The only time he probably gets voted out is at final three.
[UNKNOWN]: But Ian was also so petrified because Tom had brainwashed him that he probably doesn't get voted out of three.
[UNKNOWN]: But like he had the alliance of three within five.
[UNKNOWN]: He had the alliance of four within seven.
[UNKNOWN]: He had the alliance like he had it totally under control.
[UNKNOWN]: Him, Jen, Ann, and Katie, and Greg.
[UNKNOWN]: Like that alliance was always going to be fine.
[UNKNOWN]: He was going to roll through it.
[UNKNOWN]: And I get that yes, maybe he doesn't play half the season.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm going to keep harping on this because I believe this 100%
[UNKNOWN]: Tom is the reason Karore keeps winning.
[UNKNOWN]: You can have all the physical people in the world, you can have anything you want because the other tribe when these two tribes came out, if you were Tom's wife, you were Tom's wife, who long was going to win every challenge as far as people knew and Tom got the advantage and Tom kept his alliance and kept his tribe together with these conflicting personalities that really didn't get along that well.
[UNKNOWN]: And I think it's the most dominant.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't have them at one.
[UNKNOWN]: But I do think that it is the most dominant game.
[UNKNOWN]: And John and McKinna having this at 25.
[UNKNOWN]: I love that they're not allowed to defend themselves here.
[UNKNOWN]: This is my favorite, because you know, I'd say it.
[UNKNOWN]: One thought process that I want to, I don't know, pat ourselves on the back or let's see, of our rankings of 50.
[UNKNOWN]: I think the top 10 is widely all kind of agreed upon when you're a dominant.
[UNKNOWN]: But we don't know the top 10 yet, Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't spoil it.
[UNKNOWN]: What I'm saying is everyone can go and click things or whatever, and I think this is something where whether you rank this shelf or you're not, I have nine of these people in my top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: Phil, how many do you have?
[UNKNOWN]: At eight.
[UNKNOWN]: Will, how many do you have?
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, that's the main goal.
[UNKNOWN]: Nine, eight, six, and how many does Will and McKinna or not, McKinna, John and McKinna?
[UNKNOWN]: John McKenna have nine will so Blake you and John McKenna have only people in your top 15.
[UNKNOWN]: My lowest ranked out of the top 10 is 21.
[UNKNOWN]: Will has three people in the 20s.
[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, he's got to be wild.
[UNKNOWN]: But that's him.
[UNKNOWN]: But I'm just I'm just saying we widely agree on this top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think that this that there was a big break between 10 and 11 right or not massive but massive break between 10 and 11 it's a it's a
[UNKNOWN]: There's a bigger gap between 10 and 11 than there is between.
[UNKNOWN]: How is Chris a lot?
[UNKNOWN]: Chris is top 10, but Fabio is bottom 5.
[UNKNOWN]: I did the same game.
[UNKNOWN]: Get, you don't even know how to watch it, remember?
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'll leave you the same game.
[UNKNOWN]: So I have a picture here of the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I put them in in season order so that everybody knows.
[UNKNOWN]: So we're not spoiling it.
[UNKNOWN]: We got hatch Chris, Earl Todd, JT, Sandra and heroes villains, Kim, Tony and Caggy on Jeremy and Tony and winners at War worth playing for us.
[UNKNOWN]: This is a top, a weird top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I really played for it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a modest, modest as Jeremy has no business being in the top 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I really don't feel like this is that crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Maybe there's one or two people you might disagree with, but I feel like this is like...
[UNKNOWN]: I think Chris solid 10.
[UNKNOWN]: You didn't have, it's like...
[UNKNOWN]: Well, do you remember where you ranked Chris?
[UNKNOWN]: No, because you certainly shouldn't be a surprise that you're acting right.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll see you next week.
[UNKNOWN]: See what the algorithm has to work with.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Chris, I think Chris will be 10.
[UNKNOWN]: I'll just say, yeah, what do you think?
[UNKNOWN]: Well, who's your 10 and who's your one?
[UNKNOWN]: And your estimation here.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Chris is 10, like Blake said.
[UNKNOWN]: I think Tony winners at war will be number one.
[UNKNOWN]: OK, Blake, who do you think will be number one?
[UNKNOWN]: Todd.
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go ahead and not say anything because I'm staring at the list right now.
[UNKNOWN]: So I just want my prediction.
[UNKNOWN]: We'll just see it next week.
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you want to see the next slide?
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was an hour and a half ago.
[UNKNOWN]: No, five Sunday.
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, sunday.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna add it.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not good for me.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna have to see you on that one dog.
[UNKNOWN]: Guys, this will be one that I'm gonna say right now.
[UNKNOWN]: This one's non-negotiable and I might be here alone on sunday.
[UNKNOWN]: Like I said, it's non-negotiable, but the time on the screen is TVD.
[UNKNOWN]: It's not negotiable.
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing sunday.
[UNKNOWN]: And I haven't even told you guys when.
[UNKNOWN]: So just long time ago.
[UNKNOWN]: We're doing sunday forever.
[UNKNOWN]: I still feel like doing it.
[UNKNOWN]: Don't have any plans on your weekend.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
[UNKNOWN]: How has this been fun for you guys?
[UNKNOWN]: Because I feel like the last two hours was some of the most stressful thing I've been in in the last week.
[UNKNOWN]: Stress.
[UNKNOWN]: Phil, you got to see.
[UNKNOWN]: I just wanted to see if Will is going to say anything beyond stress.
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know if there was more in it.
[UNKNOWN]: I'd go on.
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, crazy.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I enjoy it, Blake.
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's been a good time.
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're a fun, you know, it's always fun until we have to plan something.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm glad Cochrane did make talk 10.
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I had to do, and we're fine, you know?
[UNKNOWN]: Let's bullshit.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, yes, so we'll be live with this next one.
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna be live on Thursday at 8 p.m. Eastern Time with once upon a time in West from once upon a time.
[UNKNOWN]: We're going through a season 36 through 40 of the winners and then John and McKenna'll be back with bitter or better first jurors on Wednesday.
[UNKNOWN]: So that'll also be Wednesday.
[UNKNOWN]: It's a hard work.
[UNKNOWN]: Blake is just learning that this is a thing, and it's in its seventh week, I think.
[UNKNOWN]: So anyway, thank you all so much for listening.
[UNKNOWN]: Please like this video.
[UNKNOWN]: Please subscribe to the channel.
[UNKNOWN]: Please let us know what you think about these 10 winners and where we have them ranked in all that fun nonsense and everything like that.
[UNKNOWN]: Otherwise, that's all I got.
[UNKNOWN]: We also just watched Rick Devons on Big Brother because he's only going to be on it for about another week and a half, and we'll see you next time.
[UNKNOWN]: I love when Blake looks at spoilers for live things.
[UNKNOWN]: Anyway, thank you all so much for listening.
[UNKNOWN]: We will see you guys next time.
[UNKNOWN]: See ya!