[SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the lower hounds where you're guides to the dance of the dragons.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm your host David.
[SPEAKER_04]: And this week, John, I am heartbroken.
[SPEAKER_04]: Alice has forsaken me and taken another.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I'm so sorry to hear that.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I am also really upset.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, you are.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm upset David.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm upset because why did Alice need to be saved?
[SPEAKER_04]: Indeed.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's a winger.
[SPEAKER_04]: She could have handled that herself.
[SPEAKER_04]: We didn't need, it was like a princess being saved by the hero prince, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the whole.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, except Creepy, one-eyed prince with a jewel in his eye.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is our coverage of episode five a season three of House of the Dragon, Unbound and Unbent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did pay for content once, so very long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I did like in the beginning of the whole podcast era.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, so much, we just take so much for granted.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think I've paid for two subscriptions every in the past.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I have a couple of friends who are podcasters, like I said, right, every, you know, like I threw, that's like an intentional like, hey, I want to support this reader because I'm
[SPEAKER_04]: allied with them but yeah there's so much that I don't ever I hear the appeals oh subscribe you get this bonus stuff and I'm like yeah I'm good and it's interesting but a lot of those are like much bigger podcasts too as opposed to like small independent cozy yeah podcast like us that you know
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm just trying to think about the whole description.
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[SPEAKER_04]: There's so much attempt to monetize podcasts and content these days.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're wrapping up with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think to this episode of the final
[SPEAKER_03]: and silo were like mid swing on that you did you you caught up on episode i've caught up on the first three episodes silo and very happy all right that's good we want to be very happy very happy um you know there are people considerable amount of people who will be kicking rocks by the end of the uh excellent season but yes many hope you know broken one or two
[SPEAKER_04]: I think John, John, is going to do some a lead some Odyssey coverage.
[SPEAKER_04]: Man, that thing has been break and records big time that movie.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Odysseus and his fellow convenience, make it home using modern vernacular.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm fat.
[SPEAKER_03]: I am so cool with that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Supergirl, you guys got recordings here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got supergirl coming up.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if it's going to be this week, because it was guys scheduled for the 28th.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, okay, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so we're doing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Spider-Man brand new day immediately following that.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot of things coming up.
[SPEAKER_04]: Xmin 97 you're doing a one-shot on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, once the season is over we'll be doing a one-shot on that Alicia and I For also a spider-man brand new day and super girl will be Alicia and that as well Perfect perfect and lanterns coming up right fast approaching yeah, I'll guess 14 Then we got all this like little stuff too like the bear the agency Ted Lasso is coming back There's a whole bunch of other little things you know the other thing like
[SPEAKER_04]: there's the whole Tom Hanks World War II series which has been dropping and that's been an amazing series as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a lot of television on right now and we look at I look out across the landscape and I look out across our numbers and it's like man it's busy right now and the people are trying to do their summer as well right and so like everything's all a who and a skew but I think for today we're just going to stick to talking about episode five.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh
[SPEAKER_04]: But first, before we start talking about episodes, John, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you watch the World Cup finale?
[SPEAKER_04]: I did not.
[SPEAKER_03]: You did not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could not bring myself to do it.
[UNKNOWN]: Ah!
[SPEAKER_03]: I could, you know my hatred of messy, and I just seen that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, they did not equip themselves at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly what I heard.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are who I thought they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: They showed themselves.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I was very happy that they lost.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't rule for Spain as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this was not a particular favorite world cup finale.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then how about that third place between England and who was it?
[SPEAKER_04]: France.
[SPEAKER_04]: France, yes, I'm sorry, sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: My brain is so bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: We spoke about it.
[SPEAKER_04]: We did.
[SPEAKER_04]: My brain is so serious, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a memory of a goldfish these days.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm like,
[SPEAKER_03]: I told you it was going to be absolutely not like a regular football match.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was still like when you combine the score, I think it was the highest game of the whole sequence of the whole series, and I'm glad that in Bapé got his golden boot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, but it's kind of cheap and a little bit just given the fact that he got two goals on a whatever game like an all-star game That's what my wife cop kept calling it just like it was like all stars play There was a all-star game because the stars were on the field.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's for certain I didn't expect any of them to play in right actually played Yeah, that was surprising, but they were playing chill right they were nobody was going full out So no one wants to get hurt before no more season leaks leaks start.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: my daughter was asking me because she's kind of gotten into it and you know, of course, we were in Portugal.
[SPEAKER_04]: During the game, we actually saw some games in Portugal play some of their rounds and games while we were there in the country and so she's like gotten into soccer and it's cool because it's like this international glue, right?
[SPEAKER_05]: You can see where in the world and you can talk soccer.
[SPEAKER_04]: You get a bummed, and she was like, well, what are we going to do now?
[SPEAKER_04]: And so as a good dad, I looked up and checked a bunch of stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And between now and the next world cup, there is major league, soccer, not MLS Americans soccer, but there are major tournaments every year.
[SPEAKER_04]: So next year we have the Women's Cup in Brazil.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then after that, we have the men's UEFA Euro Cup in the UK and the Ireland and then the year after that is the women's Euro League in, I believe, that's being played in Germany.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then in between that, of course, we have the Los Angeles Semmer Olympics in then we start back into the World Cup again and I believe the men are playing
[SPEAKER_04]: was it's Morocco, Spain, and Portugal, I think, are hosting the next men's World Cup.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then the next women's World Cup is being played.
[SPEAKER_04]: I believe in Jamaica, Costa Rica, Mexico, and maybe some games in the United States.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we've got every year between now and the next World Cup cycle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not only do we have two Olympics, the summer and the winter and the winter, it'll be in France, but we have something.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that's exciting.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're not like a regular league family, like we like Olympic, so we like playoffs.
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll watch the, you know, American Super Bowl when it comes around, just because it's that monocultural big event.
[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, my, my soon to be 10-year-olds was like, so what are we doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: The next one, World Cup is over.
[SPEAKER_03]: What else is there to watch?
[SPEAKER_03]: You can watch WNBA, he's like, well, I cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go.
[SPEAKER_03]: There you go, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So we're, we're getting up for the ending of the WNBA season, currently.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nice, very cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, let's move along and talk about house and the dragons.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like the only other person, like we talk a little bit on the discord, but I gotta talk to my guy about the world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thanks everyone for indulging us on the World Cup chatter.
[SPEAKER_04]: So this episode, we're doing a little bit of a hybrid timeline.
[SPEAKER_04]: It is going to be sort of in order and not thematic like I did last week, because this was a lot, there was a lot of little stuff going on in this episode, but then in some cases, I've compressed and collapsed scenes.
[SPEAKER_04]: So in certain things, we'll talk mostly all about Christian coal, all is in one block, that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then when it first comes up, is when we open that topic.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it'll make sense as we go through it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've got some teaching commitments all this week and so Thursday I'm going to be out until late and I won't be back in time for us to do that so I think we're going to do that Friday evening so look for that a little bit down the road but man we had such good voicemails last week and some good emails we've already got one couple of things coming in needs got some strategy notes for the military corner segment we got some dragon related questions already so
[SPEAKER_04]: keep that feedback coming and definitely love the voicemails and and all of the good discord messages as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joel, what did you think of episode five?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to say if it was a palette cleanser or just like a reset for the final chapters of the season but that's really how I felt there's a lot going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: but it's not going as briskly as the previous episodes had the tempo of things occurring.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was a much more in-depth, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look into how KL, King's Landing, is operating in the characters of certain individuals.
[SPEAKER_03]: we got a lot more on that end.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say that my favorite scenes from this week were the scenes with Damon and Ray.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just felt like every time they interacted on screen, it was just
[SPEAKER_04]: That scene in the sector was killer.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just really like seeing the two of them together.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Two sides of the same coin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, basically.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I who said that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Five items.
[SPEAKER_03]: How was I said that in that?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: and that is something that I really enjoy and I want more of quite honestly the two of them sharing the screen together whether they're making plans or they're arguing about the plans to make.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's really captivating.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are the two biggest things that I think I got from this episode, the character development of some people who will we talk about and just seeing a dayman and radar together on screen is captivating for me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I agree with you and that this was a more, this is a play set or episode to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: With the last two episodes, we've gotten a lot of deeper character, work being done, or Mond, day, day, on, uh, Reneera,
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, we were really getting into the psychology of some people Kristen Cole last episode and his whole, you know, our fight will be pure sort of stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: This one was mechanical.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, okay, these forces are here.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is happening here.
[SPEAKER_04]: These guys did this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Those guys didn't do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was a lot of machinery and moving parts getting everything ready for the back half of the season.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it was a real.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fulcrum episode for me and while we got some character work I didn't feel like very very much went there and it was in a way when I was doing the outline I was like it was just in some places I barely have any notes at all like there's just nothing to say It was just like oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: These guys went from here to there and that was it
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Cole's development, you really see who he is in this episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's see.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got that from last episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got it from this one.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: The other thing though that was really interesting in this was the darker side of warfare.
[SPEAKER_04]: these machinations in the margins, this is shadow war that's happening, both with Christian coal harassing the rivermen and winter wolves army, but then also sewing fear within the city.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I've got a whole bunch of stuff about urban insurgencies and assassins for when we get to that section.
[SPEAKER_04]: But this was the real, this isn't
[SPEAKER_04]: like hey let's warm up into a battle line and fight and it's gross and it's rough and okay whatever but it's like you know men being men beating each other with sticks kind of thing right this is in the shadows in the dark sewing fear assassinating people all really potent acts
[SPEAKER_04]: That sort of, eh, let's, you know, that sort of honor, like, eh, I'm going out on the battle and it'll be the best of the best, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Whatever that kind of stuff, straight line flight, totato, none of that.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is, this is ugly and in the shadows type of stuff, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And I found that really fascinating that they decided to go with those elements.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it really opens us up to Orman's level of thinking as he's executing his plans
[SPEAKER_04]: you know, get into Templeton.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, one of the reasons Templeton was so that he could affect the city, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And so that he could carry on this Assassin's campaign and be close enough where he's getting real time intelligence back and forth between the forces that are operating on his behalf in the city.
[SPEAKER_04]: as well as just putting it right in her face and then if he can take her right then he's got he's got a king to put on the throne.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it all goes back to that chess game that Darren was playing that's sort of interesting chess game.
[SPEAKER_04]: All of that said, I've got a couple of audio clips here.
[SPEAKER_04]: There wasn't a lot of fun stuff to pull on the other side.
[SPEAKER_04]: There was no money Python this week or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I almost pulled the let the wookie win from Star Wars when they were playing the little chess game, but I kept it.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I did grab three quotes from the movie, audio clips, because there are some dialogue on this episode that it's just all season long, the dialogue has been topped here.
[SPEAKER_04]: excellent, the writing for the characters in the voices of the characters, even the exposition makes sense, you know, the exposition dump stuff makes sense, but then just the language and the diction and the way that the words are being said and the construction is just a chest kiss.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I've got a couple of little clips to illuminate some of the things that really caught my ear.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, anything else will take our first break.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when we come back, I think we'll get into the episode breakdown.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're back.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jean, last week, I opened during the feedback episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: I opened up a new segment for us, called Military Corner.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that was assessing the battlefield where the different forces are arrayed.
[SPEAKER_04]: and I was a little nervous doing it because it was the first time, you know, giving one of these briefings.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was a new format, some new information.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I have to say Nate, in our discord, who is a former military officer trained in this stuff and is a academic and
[SPEAKER_04]: Professor or assistant professor, or I think just finishing his PhD candidacy in medieval Japanese history, I believe, and was helping us out on Shogun.
[SPEAKER_04]: He actually gave me some props for what I did, and I was like, so I was like, oh, cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's really cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it seemed to have inspired him.
[SPEAKER_04]: because he went out and started making a bunch of maps of Westeros and putting forced deployments on there using the actual little military symbols that armies would use on a map, showing where the dragons are and where certain people are and where certain forces are.
[SPEAKER_04]: and it's great and it just makes the picture so much clear for everyone.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so jump on our discord, go into the episode five channel and you posted some pictures in the episode four is really that episode and check out those because they add a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: So Nate, thank you so much.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he wrote a whole bunch of comments.
[SPEAKER_04]: about from episode four and then we'll we'll fold that in to our feedback episode when we talk sort of a corner stuff when we when we get around to that but Nate thank you it's awesome it's so cool that I was like really nervous you were kind of low key like living in my head and to have you come back on the discord and say like you know thumbs up you're pretty you know reasonable job I was I was having myself on the back so thanks for that
[SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, let's get on the road with Kristen and G-Wane.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oscar Tully and Roderick Dustin Lament.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're having to deal with Kristen Cole.
[SPEAKER_04]: We see and then get the exposition note.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then we see the impact of Cole's ultimately short-lived campaign.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is one of the sections that I've sort of compressed.
[SPEAKER_04]: So throughout the episode, I've just sort of collapsed all of the Kristen Cole stuff into one section.
[SPEAKER_04]: Later, G-Wain waxes poetically about Old Town and offers coal a place to serve his family after the war is over, not realizing that coal has other plans.
[SPEAKER_04]: As a number of their horses start to bolt, they realize that they've walked into a minefield scare quotes of crow's feet.
[SPEAKER_04]: They gave a cow trops and I've got some notes on those things.
[SPEAKER_04]: Later we see men hacking their way through the thick brush and there's talk of desertion in the air.
[SPEAKER_04]: They see signs of vagar and cross a terrible swamp and realize that the rivermen have beaten them to the final crossing.
[SPEAKER_04]: G Wayne finally learns the truth about Christian Cole, who dreams of songs being sung in his honor.
[SPEAKER_04]: John, what do you make of our boy G Wayne and Chris B. Cole?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, sir, Cole is a f***ing hot guy.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just want to lace him with curse words right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I detest that man, I am happy to see that G Wayne has come to the realization that he's following
[SPEAKER_04]: a madman, who is in delusions, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: He's having delusions of grandeur.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm guess the greatest warrior.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's absolutely a madman and he's he is believing his own mythology that he's given himself.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's something that he says that really to me, I don't know if this is part of the clip that you have,
[SPEAKER_03]: Diabone have made me much have made much of me while it pleased them to do so, but I will not let them diminish me now.
[SPEAKER_03]: I will not return spurned and rejected.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's his whole shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Spurned and rejected.
[SPEAKER_03]: He exists in this form, this man, because he was spurned.
[SPEAKER_03]: and rejected by Alissa and Rainer.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is why he is what he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: That is why he behaves the way that he behaves because of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, that is so infuriating that this guy it was Alicia that wrote us last week who's like, get over it, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Can't get over rejection.
[SPEAKER_03]: and his unable, because he's unable to get over rejection, he's leaning these men into a death march.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ah, they should string them up.
[SPEAKER_03]: The night, send them out to pastor, get him outta here, get him outta here.
[SPEAKER_03]: The guy's deluge, I hate Christian Colt, hate him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I told you this two weeks ago,
[SPEAKER_03]: Before this series is over, I must look into his cold dead eyes on my screen.
[SPEAKER_06]: Let's hear from the man himself.
[SPEAKER_06]: I have defined myself by hose through unyielding devotion.
[SPEAKER_06]: And I've born of made much of me while it pleased me to do so.
[SPEAKER_06]: But I will not let them diminish me now.
[SPEAKER_06]: I will not return.
[SPEAKER_06]: Spend.
[SPEAKER_06]: rejected, I'm the realm's greatest warrior, bro.
[SPEAKER_04]: You call it like it was perfect.
[SPEAKER_04]: We are on the same wavelength.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, about that line of dialogue.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Fabian Franklin was just killing it in this rule.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I know he's
[SPEAKER_04]: Chris and Cole gives everybody the creeps, but to act the performance of the actor to be oh yeah, to make us creep out in this way and then to deliver these lines of dialogue so seamlessly and so eloquently as to make us just go, oh
[SPEAKER_04]: It's such a great performance and it's so good and I I love to hate Kristen Cole.
[SPEAKER_04]: I absolutely do because This guy is wacko So let me actually a quick question.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think he could take data?
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh That is an interesting question It makes me think about like uh, you know And Bob A versus Messy here is nothing like that
[SPEAKER_04]: the thing is this does you have a squad of uh... uh... uh... near doons yet to go along with them or not one-on-one yes one-on-one one-on-one boy it would be tough because i think coal would be a lot more
[SPEAKER_04]: of a physical fighter like he would want to make contact like a wrestler would want to make contact he would want to get those shoulders in there and the hip checks in there and use his stocky low to the ground bulk.
[SPEAKER_04]: to knock Damon around.
[SPEAKER_04]: We saw Amund get knocked back this time, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And that thin, fiery frame, he's got reach.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Damon and Amund are basically the same frame.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, obviously, Damon is a little bit older and got a little bit more of a dad-bod going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's got more girth than me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: But he still got that thin, fiery frame and he's a little bit top-heavy.
[SPEAKER_04]: relative where is I think Cole has that stocky wrestler frame that it's really hard to bump those guys in, you know, to get them off balance.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so I think Cole would try to get in close and use that to his advantage where Damon would try to use his swordplay, but the thing is Damon's quick
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... and he's just got a really good and he knows how to beat he he probably would know how to get crystal seen red a little bit so i don't know it's a tough one man i think they're i think they're evenly matched i would hate to put money down on this one choose one
[SPEAKER_04]: Damn, choose one because I like it or choose one because I think that would be the, it doesn't matter, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: What are your reasons?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's what I've just, yeah, just choose.
[SPEAKER_03]: Who do you think?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think, got to feel it, who do you think?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think Cole might take him.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he would get in there close, wrap him up and toss him around like a sack of potatoes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, would Damon get a cheap shot in there and would, would Cole die of wounds later possibly, but I think, I think, Cole, I think, Cole would ultimately win in the initial in the initial fight.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, let's talk a little bit about the, uh, white wolves.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like this little conversation with Oscar, no, sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, with Oscar Tully, this young fellow who's leading this army, he's turning out to be a pretty cool leader, isn't he?
[SPEAKER_04]: And like he's kind of smart and he's able to hang with these old grizzled, you know, warriors and thinks, you know, think about the overall strategy and then think about his tactics to be able to, you know, get them there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I thought that was cool, but.
[SPEAKER_04]: I also thought that that was the smart play, send the winter wolves out after coal, because how else are you gonna, the only way you can counter coal is to fight the same way that coal is fighting and do the same things to them that they're doing to you.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I, I, I liked that that the one thing that I didn't like was seeing those poor horses.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know it was fake.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, I know it was a whole fake shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that was tough.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was tough.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you know, like that was just cruel, cruel animal cruelty kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: The idea of it like disturbed me.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then you called it on the desertion front.
[SPEAKER_04]: Last last week, you were like, no, the dudes are not going to hang with us for very long.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't.
[SPEAKER_03]: The guy is talking about they're gonna sing songs about me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to go home to my family, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: I like going to stop and through this swamp.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about songs, you know?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think we'll remember me when she's that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: This guy is such, he's so problematic.
[SPEAKER_04]: Here's some official menu for you.
[SPEAKER_04]: do you think that he's going to die by dragon because he was you know he's so afraid of dragons he does not like dragons and there he was Jurassic Park style you know we're looking down and we're seeing the big dragon footprint and they're walking through that I wonder I I would put a small I'd wager a few if you if you internet points on the fact that he might die by by dragon
[SPEAKER_03]: It's impossible, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, but you went away until Friday.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you what.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, don't tell me.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, don't tell me because I know that I'm open to spoilers this season.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but this one, yeah, hold on to that one.
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to let this one off.
[SPEAKER_03]: Be surprised.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Fair enough.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's really quickly talking about the crow's feet, those devices that they walked into, they're most likely, not most likely, they're more widely known as cow trops.
[SPEAKER_04]: and especially if you've played early versions of Dungeons and Dragons, if you're old like me, and played very early cow traps, we're always in your bag of tricks when you're exploring a dungeon.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're what we call an area denial weapon.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're kind of like mines that don't explode.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're metal spikes that are designed to injure and pale themselves and name people.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, they can cause fatalities, but they're more about really damaging a person's foot or a vehicle's tire or a horse's hooves.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're typically four or more spikes, metal spikes.
[SPEAKER_04]: and they're designed so that no matter how they fall or how they're on the ground, that there's always one point pointing up so that you can step on it or it can puncture.
[SPEAKER_04]: Interestingly, when I was reading about cow traps too, a lot of military insignia use cow traps as an element in there.
[SPEAKER_04]: If you see any kind of star patterns in a patch or a flash,
[SPEAKER_04]: the invention of them go back further than the Greeks.
[SPEAKER_04]: We get reference in Greek literature to them, but they're used in China and Japan as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I think anybody who has
[SPEAKER_04]: the technology to forge because they really need to be metal.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you can make wooden ones and make some wooden things, but I think to get this real specific design, you need some forging technology.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so they definitely go back to China in Japan as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: They were used during the World War One in World War Two.
[SPEAKER_04]: We even have them in current use here and the police will use them, you know, stop sticks or spike strips that you throw out and get, you know, to try to stop a fleeing car.
[SPEAKER_04]: In the military, they use them in a lot of times, you know, the military vehicles have self punk or self-sealing tires.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's even big ones that are made that are like hollow tubes in the in the pokey parts so that it'll still bleed air even if it's punctured in there and apparently even in the in the in Ukraine the Ukrainians dropped cow trops by drone in certain strategic areas to stop mechanized and
[SPEAKER_05]: So come for come for the Kristen Cole kick rock and state for the military technology.
[SPEAKER_04]: Joe, would you lead us through the hair and haul conversation?
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, this is one of those collapse ones where we've taken all of the elements and brought it into one.
[SPEAKER_04]: Sure, sure, sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: We get a set-up scene of some bounty hunters looking for Amen.
[SPEAKER_03]: Only finding allies who use its her knowledge of the ways of Heron Hall to spook the roughyens out of their wits.
[SPEAKER_03]: We next find Amen wiken from the dream at Heron Hall, about his brother and mother, as Alice comforts him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Later, Amen wicks from his dreams, longing for Vega.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alice comforts in the shurzen.
[SPEAKER_03]: They have a little trauma-bonding session.
[SPEAKER_03]: More ruffians break into having hard looking for Aiman.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alice has no more tricks up her sleeve.
[SPEAKER_03]: It must be rescued by the valiant prince.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was writing this with that whole, sort of damsel and distress ironic, you know, ironic quotes in my mind.
[SPEAKER_03]: So first, let me just say,
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, the, the theme that many have brought up in our discord about sexual assault and the threat of it, please out here again, especially in the language of that final assault.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: you know rescue rescue sword in hand barely able to lift that sword.
[SPEAKER_03]: Alice is a witch man.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't need that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't need none of that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that that was totally for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: If anything has taken me out of this season is that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: totally.
[SPEAKER_03]: What was the point?
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_04]: There, I think, are they clearly, clearly, I mean, clearly, aimed at his mommy issues.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who are you, one who's been grieved?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, there's, so there's some trauma bond going on here, like, okay, I miss my mommy, and it's like, what is she miss?
[SPEAKER_04]: She's missing something to care for, did she have children?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think they're starting to tell us this love story between them is what I'm guessing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ah!
[SPEAKER_04]: And...
[SPEAKER_04]: So he saves her, and then therefore that's the old romance trope.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, the woman is saved by the man, and then the woman thinks, oh, that's hot.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let me get with this guy, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a very simple A.B.
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, man meets girl, man saves girl from ruffians, man gets girl.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Boring and unnecessary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did like.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did like at the beginning, well besides the ungrateful queen line that she throws out to the first set of Bravians.
[SPEAKER_04]: She uses a little trickery in knowledge of hair and haul.
[SPEAKER_04]: She takes that stone.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Throws it behind her to excite the bats and then while they're all, you know, so it was like,
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's a witch, but she's a herbalist.
[SPEAKER_04]: She have real magic.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know that she's actually, can she warreg into things?
[SPEAKER_04]: Can she see things?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what the extent of her powers were.
[SPEAKER_04]: But in that moment, I liked that she was very grounded and down to earth and just using a tricks of illusion and knowledge to get herself out of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: not get herself out of the situation, get those dudes out of here, scare the pants off of them so that they left on their own.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that was really smart and clever.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so, right, you write later, contrastingly, it's like, this is boring.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so unnecessary.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just hated that we had to get him rushing to her defense.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was something we could sort play though.
[SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it was a nice little fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it was a good fight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't get me wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a great fight.
[SPEAKER_04]: I like to see him actually do some chin-chin-chin-chin-chin, you know, sort of.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no, that was not, that was in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was in it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you get him pale?
[SPEAKER_04]: He even pale the one dude on the tree.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I thought he was going to get him pale as well But yeah, I don't know whatever those trees get some blood on them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I always think oh my gosh like what kind of weird magic is gonna happen from that right?
[SPEAKER_04]: That always serious scares me
[SPEAKER_04]: So we do get some mystery hints about her past.
[SPEAKER_04]: Who are you, one who's been grieved, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm really curious about that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what is she grieving?
[SPEAKER_04]: What is she sad about?
[SPEAKER_04]: I want to know more about my, my leash lord.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[SPEAKER_04]: Amund, play Amund dreaming with the cat's paw on his hand, that's a pretty dangerous thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: She was like, yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Get this knife out of your man.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what does he, he says, she saw it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Was she referring to Allison's saying that you're a bad son and you're going to make a mess of it?
[SPEAKER_04]: Or who is he, who is referring to when he was talking about she?
[SPEAKER_04]: That was at the dream where he saw his, he was talking about his brother and stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he was talking about how was it?
[SPEAKER_04]: I think.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's sure.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have to go back to the scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was kind of convolut because he's talking about his brother and being pulled down by his brother and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then he says, she saw it, she, you know, and then she says, mommy, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And she's like, and then he's all like, crowed up in her and in her arms, calling her mommy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, little creepy, little creepy.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's spend a little time in the red key.
[SPEAKER_04]: We've got multiple scenes here, so we'll just sort of jump through a couple of them.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm sorry, you spiced.
[SPEAKER_04]: Keep watch over the movements of the residents of the key as or while the delivers a drop of the moong tea to Allison.
[SPEAKER_04]: He affirms his personal loyalty, but informs Allison that he can no longer be seen to be helping her.
[SPEAKER_04]: Allison then tries to convince Helena to drink the tea.
[SPEAKER_04]: I've got a really uncomfortable moment between mother and daughter.
[SPEAKER_04]: Also, Helena says that she's seen Amand at Heron Hall.
[SPEAKER_04]: John, I did love hearing Allison, not sorry, I'm not Allison, Alice humming, and then they did something that's called the J Cut, which is to have the preceding audio overlap the next incoming scene to bridge the two.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's called the J Cut.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's two different kinds of cuts.
[SPEAKER_04]: It had to do with the way that you would bend the film to get the audio to roll over into the next scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, but I just I love those kinds of transitions and so they do that great thing where her humming follows or while while he's walking through the hallways.
[SPEAKER_04]: We see some cats getting released out of there.
[SPEAKER_04]: their basket.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was so cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they were wild being watched by other staff.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what do you make of or while an elephant and then this, let's then we can kind of talk around the edges of this whole moon team, the moon tea thing between the mother and daughter?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think it's a complex relationship as all of the relationships on the shore.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, he knows very well that.
[SPEAKER_03]: he can't be seen helping her, because that would be seen as, you know, going to crazy right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, but he, I think he generally likes Alecine.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think you're right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like he likes her, like they're like she calls him friend.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think, and I think he respected her when she was running the show, you know, he gave her the respected and saw how capable that she was in her role as ruler, really.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think there's an affinity for on both their parts, for each other in the way that, you know, it's respectful and not
[SPEAKER_03]: any, any other, um, like, I just think that I don't know if, if I would have done as she asked, I mean, because she's not the one.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: It would have been different for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we'll talk about it, but she's asking on behalf.
[SPEAKER_03]: of Helena.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's that feels a little bit more weird for me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt a little bit more weird for me that he would go along with it knowing that it's not for Alison.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's a tough scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had a tough scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had a tough reaction to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because on the one hand, there's a logic that Allison is, and here I am, I just want to acknowledge I am a person without a womb, and I have not given birth to child.
[SPEAKER_04]: So to any children, and so, you know, I'm coming from it from that perspective and I'm trying to make sure that I'm clear about that perspective.
[SPEAKER_04]: And seeing the relationship play out and the conversation,
[SPEAKER_04]: as a viewer, I can understand the Alison's point of view on your life is in danger and this child's life is in danger if it's a boy, if it's in need of boy, that's super complicating and there's just so many, you know, how do we escape and all this kind of stuff and what happens to the boy blah, blah, but at the same time,
[SPEAKER_04]: Helena, it's Helena's body, it's her baby, it's her choice.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's already lost children like you know and and who who who is anybody to tell somebody what to do with their body in that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's just like It was messy.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was messy and I just I didn't have a
[SPEAKER_04]: It was I had a lot of complicated reactions to it and I could imagine that I'm curious just to to how other people are taking the scene.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think Allison is really bent on saving what she can save and those are the things, those are the people who are immediately in front of her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not even recognizing, you know, grandchildren.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, she's like, hey, we leave everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just because you and I let's just go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because she's looking at it very pragmatically.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: if she understands that her daughter is not like her, in that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: No, no, not like a lot of other people.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, but more so that then I don't think she would be okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't see how in the sending their son, her son, her child, to be raised by
[SPEAKER_03]: or mine.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the way that Alice said, that's what it's like.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that makes it that that this scene puts that fact into light in a different light, doesn't it?
[SPEAKER_03]: I just don't see her doing the same, making those same decisions.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether they come back to bite her or not, I don't think she's making those same choices for her children to be an elicent is perfectly okay with sacrificing, and saying, okay, we have to go and in some future, maybe.
[SPEAKER_04]: goes back to the comments she made to Renera about doing things, how the burden of this level of power is going to change you.
[SPEAKER_04]: And your character changes you who are part, you will do things that you never thought you could possibly do.
[SPEAKER_04]: And she's, Allison is willing
[SPEAKER_03]: She's willing to make those choices for not just her, yes, that's the problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because Helena, because her last child that she has.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the problem.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, I really thought it was the whole.
[SPEAKER_04]: description of moon tea, you know, it's a remedy, a remedy like it's the word remedy is a very specific word, a remedy taught to the maesters of the citadel.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought that was a really interesting way to
[SPEAKER_04]: to language, moon tea, and then deliver from grace and ruin, which is this other side of the thing like, yeah, it's a tool for you to manage your body and your life, but of course, obviously, we live in a fan, this is a fantasy world, but we're talking about it sort of in modern terms.
[SPEAKER_04]: but her perspective is like, hey, it's this cool remedy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's a thing that's delivered me from grace and ruin.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you're like, oh man, this is just so complex here.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's also just so.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that hit hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she said it delivered me from the grace and ruin, that hit hard.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because I get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you're not treated the same, you're not treated the same as a man who has children.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I looked upon it the same in the same way.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did like how when Orwell came in, he had like a decoy thing, and then he was like, oh, you know, whatever, guard, let me let me bamboozle you with some, you know, and then he pulled out the moon tea from like a secret pocket in his is thing that was, that was kind of cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: Helena, having visions, she sees Amend at Heron Hall.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so there are two things that I thought were interesting here.
[SPEAKER_04]: One, they're definitely laying tracks because she was acting kind of weird all episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: And they know some stuff happens with her later, but I don't know, you know, we're not going to talk about that because we're going to talk about it's on screen.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I feel them laying the tracks down like something.
[SPEAKER_04]: I feel like
[SPEAKER_04]: She's, you know, talking about the, you know, see the caterpillar, we hear her talking about like needing to see the moon later.
[SPEAKER_04]: So something's going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: But the other thing, what I thought was an interesting line.
[SPEAKER_04]: He burns, but without fire related to her vision of the payment is that.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know how you interpret it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was interpreting it as like he had a fee he was having yeah that's the same way but that's okay cool all right yeah he just has a fever and he's delirious right he's five most disinfection because he's stabbed so yeah and he's tripping around the collective unconsciousness of a restaurant you know triggering her dreams a little right
[SPEAKER_04]: So then we get a walk-in-talk scene with Reneera fending off Lady Frey regarding Reneera's promise, right, because Jay's made the promise, but it's in the name of the queen.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's really her promise that the phrase would be granted hair and haul for allowing the winter wolves to cross the green fork of the river trident at the twins.
[SPEAKER_04]: This was one of those scenes.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was just like a lot of
[SPEAKER_03]: No, what I took from the scene was like, when she said, are you coming to the smoke?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's like, like, like, you're talking all this shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not what I need from you now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you going to sit at the council or not?
[SPEAKER_03]: What was going on?
[SPEAKER_04]: It should be that look at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she's just like, let's go, because what you're talking to me now about right now doesn't fucking matter.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, get your shit together, and let's go do what we gotta do, because this ain't it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I love that, I love that from our life.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's listening to, because so many people are coming down her with different things, telling them about what they need.
[SPEAKER_03]: what they expect right and in this moment she's like this no no no no it's not about what you expect and what you need I this is what I need me right now and she's flexes and I like that flex yeah I'm the queen I'm looking at you what's the FU now what
[SPEAKER_04]: So then we join Reneer as much in large small council meeting to discuss matters of the realm, Bala and Adam report on the movements of Vega and Damon reports on the murders of the gold cloaks and or while reports on the movements of the Riverlands Army and that Christian coal is
[SPEAKER_04]: Reneera has words with Damon outside the council chambers, and then we learn that Joffrey has returned from the veil.
[SPEAKER_04]: All meeting I was thinking to myself, who the hell is running the agenda for this meeting?
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I remembered, we don't have a hand.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I have a hand, because the hand is out.
[SPEAKER_03]: The hand is out.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do love that these meetings do serve as good exposition dumps.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we've got a lot of moving parts.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we can use small council meetings as a way to also, you know, to trigger and activate characters and character interactions.
[SPEAKER_04]: But then we could also do a lot of exposition dump.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that was useful.
[SPEAKER_04]: I loved the little relationship that's developing between manderly and fray and he's like,
[SPEAKER_06]: That's the way we're on the war.
[UNKNOWN]: You have the one.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that was just, that was really funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: Valeria's bestered.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a dragon right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he even shoots a look and he's like, he's like,
[SPEAKER_04]: funny like it was good.
[SPEAKER_04]: It was good to have some humor again in this.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I counted six people sitting around the table.
[SPEAKER_04]: Lady Frey.
[SPEAKER_04]: I do not know what her position is and they don't think they said so question mark.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if somebody knows or has read the histories of some of our maesters can somebody would write in that would be great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Manderly is coin.
[SPEAKER_04]: Masaria is whispers or wild grandmaster, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: And then Damon is the King's consort.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's handling city and military affairs and gold and some other stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: So she's gone from in a couple of episodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's gone from Masaria to a reasonably operational if highly dysfunctional
[SPEAKER_04]: So highly dysfunctional.
[SPEAKER_04]: Highly dysfunctional.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it always like this?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, basically.
[SPEAKER_04]: What did you make of, you were saying before in the opening, the, these interactions between Reneera and Damon are one of the things that you're really looking forward to?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, Allison and Reneera and Damon and Reneera seem to be things that you're really grabbing onto whenever.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, because they're, they're,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the three of them are joined, you know, they're like joined for better and for worse, but just really demon, you know, it's not afraid to speak.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not afraid to say the things that sometimes she needs to hear.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, you know, and I think that's one of the reasons that their relationship works because he recognizes and heard that she can do things that he cannot, but he also is able to tell her you can do things that I can't don't forget yourself, you know, don't try to be
[SPEAKER_03]: something that you are not and don't need to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I almost feel like Damon is like, let me do all the horrible shit.
[SPEAKER_04]: I serve your interests.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me do that shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: You go rule, go do all that stuff, you know, win the war, but all the terrible shit that got to get done behind the scenes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me handle it.
[SPEAKER_03]: because I'm good at that.
[SPEAKER_04]: He knows who he is.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's sort of on the right side of things now in terms of not being willing to not be king himself.
[SPEAKER_04]: Even though he wants to create a empire that spans.
[SPEAKER_04]: Contaglow.
[SPEAKER_03]: but he knows who he is and he knows the shit that he can do in the depths that he's willing to go to in order to maintain power and I don't think he wants her to do that because he recognizes that she is much I feel that he sees that she is much better or ruler than he could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really feel that he knows this.
[SPEAKER_03]: I might be wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: what that's the feeling that I have right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's interesting, I wonder if he's starting to shift and recognize, and he's like, well, maybe I don't want the burden of rulerships.
[SPEAKER_04]: I told you.
[SPEAKER_04]: I get to do all the fun stuff without having to wear the crown.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he doesn't want it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, yeah, he doesn't want it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I kind of, I think you're swaying me to that argument.
[SPEAKER_04]: And in this case about the issue with the gold cloaks,
[SPEAKER_04]: he's not wrong and the danger to the city is real and I feel like, you know, Missari is coming in for some heat on not being up on a lot of things.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't think she's operational enough yet to be able to she's just getting a handle on the red keep.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if she's she's ready to take on getting all the intel from the city.
[SPEAKER_04]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it goes on in all parts of King's Landing, so I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know she has all her feelers out there yet.
[SPEAKER_04]: And really, you need a dedicated administrative staff to be able to process that much intelligence coming into you.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... that's that's a lot of work quite honestly uh... but anyway will talk a little bit more about the gold cloaks later in the danger to the city i've got some stuff on uh... uh... urban insurgencies coming up in a bit but i i kind of think he's right it's they're just vapid taunts and i and he's really getting frustrated with her like just use your power your targaryen and you have dragons
[SPEAKER_04]: your strengths is your power, use it, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: But not in that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: because he knows, you know, the gold cloaks were not the way to do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Great because he said later, like you guys were too heavy handed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to set us up for Rock's rest and the Aegon and Laris show?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Aegon leads Laris through the woods on a full's errand, setting up for a later scene where Aegon, feeling sorry for himself, gets an earful from Laris.
[SPEAKER_03]: Back at Brooks Ress, one of the campboys gives Larris a hard look, and then they encountered Titan Lannister, who lives?
[SPEAKER_03]: They discussed their escape plan, and Aegon kills their douche of the Brooks Ress through it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I had to go back to the feedback and fish that one out of it.
[SPEAKER_04]: When did Aegon has a funny name for him as well, and I forget what it is in this episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, to me, the, the, they're, all this time was larris, is setting a gun up for something, not a redemption story, but I think his character, or is going to come to a sharp point at some point, and that, all of this stuff that larris is on him about,
[SPEAKER_04]: is the thing that is going to be one of the catalysts for whatever happens.
[SPEAKER_04]: But I do have Laris giving him that your full year.
[SPEAKER_04]: So let's listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying a grace.
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
[SPEAKER_00]: What is time we've been together for the moment you were injured, in fact.
[SPEAKER_00]: Flying drunk into a battle that was you and not invited.
[SPEAKER_00]: Love after nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: and self-flagellate the tenacity I find is astonishing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You, who had every advantage in life, you who had every chance to shine first-born son, printer the realm, the finest tutors, the finest knights, instructing him on the sword, the dragon so beautiful they named him after the son itself.
[SPEAKER_04]: Listen to that lighting with it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that.
[SPEAKER_04]: You would everything, you know, your dragon was named so beautiful in England after the sun itself.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could have risen to anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's so good.
[SPEAKER_04]: You wiend with it to NASA to find a stage like that is so funny.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he doesn't deliver it in a mean and heartless way.
[SPEAKER_04]: how pathetic you are.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then when he's standing over him, they have the camera at a low angle and we're looking up at Larris.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so we're getting that sense of height difference.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's just like, you're a bad man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Get it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're setting him up to be exactly who he is.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not going anywhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: But a terrible person, he's a terrible person, he remains a terrible person and no one can convince me otherwise.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think that's going to come to a boil and when it does, when something happens, it's going to all of this.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're laying tracks for something in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're building some character stuff for Aegon.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Larry's better watch out.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, he better speak it up.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think that Syrduce, his buddy, who's been lying, Larissa and Aegon all this time, finally figured it out.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we see as they're talking to Thailand,
[SPEAKER_04]: that we see Sir Dush and his little buddy walking by before he goes around, sneaks around and finds the crown.
[SPEAKER_04]: So they played that off, they set that up and played that off very quickly, which I'm glad I'm glad it was like a multi-ron out thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_04]: They just got right to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: They gave us the looks, hey, this guy staring at him, here he go, and it played off
[SPEAKER_04]: You make it on me.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're you're great.
[SPEAKER_04]: We surprised to see Thailand.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes, I was.
[SPEAKER_04]: I frankly I was like holy smokes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like what the hell is this dude doing here?
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought he was long gone.
[SPEAKER_03]: We thought he drowned in the armor that there's plenty of armor that he was wearing.
[SPEAKER_03]: But no.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thailand, Lannister lives.
[SPEAKER_04]: and he has cell swords and is moving around not unencumber like he's not necessarily hiding himself but he's also not necessarily announcing himself exactly and so that means he's got to for for sure solution the guys at Roaks rest not to be messing with Thailand means that
[SPEAKER_04]: They didn't give him too much trouble when he rolled in.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that'll be interesting.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did like, that he was like, look, let's get him to Castle Erock.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a natural place for a Lannister to say, hey, it's a defended place.
[SPEAKER_04]: We can do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Larry says, oh, I see you.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're trying to position and create Castle Erock as a new seat of power.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's like, no, I'm just trying to get the this king guy, you know, safe.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, but it's also still true that that would be a nice thing for the Lannisters to have in their feather, feather in their cap.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, all right, let's take another quick break.
[SPEAKER_04]: And when we come back, we can talk about the whole situation with Allison Helena and sorry.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we're back, so let's talk about Allison Tolina and Masaria.
[SPEAKER_04]: Messiah and Alasent meet for the first time in Messiah demands the sea what or while brought, Alasent drinks the moon tea herself, and then tries to play on Messiah's sympathies as a fellow woman.
[SPEAKER_04]: Later we see Alasent wearing a blue dress.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have some questions about this.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nursing and upset tummy, as so to speak.
[SPEAKER_04]: She sees a member of her domestic staff, examines her necklace, and then as we learn later, hatches a plan,
[SPEAKER_04]: me then see Allison and Helena talking in the godswood and in form, and Allison and forms Helena of her plan to escape dressed as maids.
[SPEAKER_04]: They attempt, but they fall into the clutches of Messiah, who had staged a whole thing for them anyway.
[SPEAKER_04]: Allison,
[SPEAKER_04]: It's not a good liar.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Helen, the tells it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Helen tells it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know you look away when you lie.
[SPEAKER_04]: But she knows her tell.
[SPEAKER_04]: She knows her tell.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't even...
[SPEAKER_04]: She goes to give show Missari of the Moonti lies and then immediately lies again when the first lie gets knocked out.
[SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't hesitate a beat.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's just like, oh, you know, I took a lover, you know, a commoner or Lord or both, that was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that Missariah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's like, why are you even lying to Missariah?
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, she's going,
[SPEAKER_04]: Alison just woefully underestimates Masaria in the story and the estimates everyone.
[SPEAKER_04]: You think so?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think she's she believes he can work away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have any situation.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think he this may be a case where she's she was really good as that high-level ruler, but then sort of on a day-to-day manager standpoint may be not so good.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ray, you could have some boss people who are really good at thinking about policy and strategy, but then managing employees on a ground level, I don't know that she's got, especially in the court.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, I think she's been able to up and over everyone for almost her entire life.
[SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that's different than managing.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's maneuvering.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's, that's chess pieces on the board.
[SPEAKER_03]: which is what she's trying to do here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, but then like you can't do that against Masaria.
[SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't know that yet, though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you got to, you got to assume that Masaria, if he's risen up and she's standing there as the Queen's master of whispers, you got to respect that game.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got to respect that game.
[SPEAKER_04]: She did not respect that game.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, she doesn't respect it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not going to respect anyone.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm saying.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's not respecting it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She feels like head to head.
[SPEAKER_03]: She will outmanoeuvre.
[SPEAKER_03]: She will outthink.
[SPEAKER_03]: She will outskim anyone.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then she was trying to play, Messiah, off of Damon, saying, look, those two guys are two sides of the same coin, which is funny we get a coin actually in this episode.
[SPEAKER_04]: So, I said,
[SPEAKER_04]: And I just wonder how much of that is getting into Missari's head.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think what do you think?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you think that Missaria is immune to Allison's maneuverings?
[SPEAKER_04]: Because she can see right through her.
[SPEAKER_04]: But are the words making sense and does Missaria take on?
[SPEAKER_04]: We see a similar scene later where Reneera is trying to manipulate Damon.
[SPEAKER_04]: He knows what she's doing, but it still works on him, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So I wonder this, you know, Messiah, you see is what she's trying to do does it work on Messiah, yeah?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think she already knows that Damon and she has a battle to fight for a renaura's affection.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think she's known that for a very long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this is not new what Alice in is telling her.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not illuminating something that she doesn't already know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that she's willing to...
[SPEAKER_03]: to listen, and she's willing to hear Alice and say all these things, because she thinks she's going to have Munshuva after it's said.
[SPEAKER_03]: They are, you know, they are looking at across each other from the chessboard, and they're making moves.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I really feel like they
[SPEAKER_03]: have had to fight and claw and I think what they love is backwards and in heels.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, right.
[SPEAKER_03]: At every turn and they're not going to look at anyone and think to themselves that they've got no.
[SPEAKER_04]: I did find it really interesting that they had never met each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: This was their first meeting.
[SPEAKER_04]: They know of each other, but they've never met.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I thought that was great.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I love this interaction that's going on.
[SPEAKER_04]: As from a character standpoint.
[SPEAKER_04]: I have a question for the listeners.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is it just me or was I noticed that both Helena and
[SPEAKER_04]: House it were in deep deep royal blue dresses and green dresses and I haven't gone back to see if there was a switch, but I just really noticed the color of their dresses this thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: So was that always there and I missed it or is there is that something new and there are they signaling something.
[SPEAKER_04]: So for those who are more subtorially oriented right in let me know what what am I seeing am I is that just my own imagination or is that something real.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then again, Helena is tripping.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, I got to see the moon.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to go to the window, make me think about why Helena said she didn't want to be in that moon.
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's stuff going on here.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I don't know what their work.
[SPEAKER_04]: It'll be interesting to see how this plays out and see what goes on with Helena.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're seeding a whole bunch of stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're coding a whole bunch of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's okay.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, let's talk about King's Landing and Damon in the gold cloaks.
[SPEAKER_04]: You want to run us through this?
[SPEAKER_03]: Another walk in talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's a two.
[SPEAKER_04]: We got two really good walk in talk.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is this episode?
[SPEAKER_03]: Damon is Sir L'Ageon.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he a knight?
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he a knight?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he Sir?
[SPEAKER_03]: Discuss the need to interpret Rhinahar's orders, thinking that the murder and the response to the graffiti might in some way be linked.
[SPEAKER_03]: When two more murdered glow-coke gold cloaks are discovered, we then see a scene of a secret cell of dubious looking cellos of Ravenousen, linking us to the next scene in Tobleton.
[SPEAKER_03]: Damon gives the glow-cloaks a rousing speech to motivate them, and then tortures the captives who gives up the gold coin of Deiron.
[SPEAKER_04]: Then we'll talk about the final scene and sort of at the end because that whole thing, the whole final scene is sort of its own little set piece construction.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do you think of what's going on here with the gold cloaks and with our friends in Tumbleton or what do you make of all of this?
[SPEAKER_03]: I was happy to see that it was all-man who was orchestrating this entire,
[SPEAKER_03]: scenario, formatting the scent and King's Landing that, you know, they were, he was very much active and trying to destabilize KL and it wasn't because of some oversight or some, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: They should have a grasp on, but they don't, because there's so many other things happening.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Oman is able to very sneakily, let's just start this whole destimilization, trying to turn the people against her.
[SPEAKER_03]: Or maybe it's seen that the people against you.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that she reacts in the way that the goal
[SPEAKER_03]: the people are going to start looking at her, like, well, what the fuck?
[SPEAKER_03]: You're police out here just murdering people.
[SPEAKER_03]: What's going on?
[SPEAKER_03]: So that made me really happy to have that play out in that way.
[SPEAKER_03]: What about you?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's exactly perfect in terms of this urban insurgency stuff that I kind of wanted to talk about.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was interesting that we're not getting the straight line battle.
[SPEAKER_04]: I think everybody's waiting for this battle in Tumbleton to kick off and I think some people were thinking was going to be last episode or this episode, they're kind of pushing it and I'm glad though that in this episode we're starting to see this other
[SPEAKER_04]: sort of shadow war stuff going on between Christian Cole harassing the rivermen and this urban insurgency stuff I thought was really interesting and it opens up
[SPEAKER_04]: storytelling wise, some interesting stories, telling stuff, but also exposes us to some more of that, hey, this is about a war, and it's about a war of a kingdom, and so that they're showing us some of these other details and levels of what goes on, I really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it sort
[SPEAKER_04]: and then about urban insurgencies.
[SPEAKER_04]: So I'm going to monologue a little bit here.
[SPEAKER_04]: If that's okay, I'm going to do a human with Wikipedia thing real quick.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the assassins were actually a sort of a quasi-religious military order founded by
[SPEAKER_04]: And this was sort of this Israeli state, which comprised a network of mountain castles in what is now known as Persia and Syria, and they operated for almost like 200 years over the course of the Crusades.
[SPEAKER_04]: Not only did they target Christian crusaders, but they targeted other Muslims as well, and the word assassin is actually derived from the Arabic word hashishin, which shares the etatological roots of the word hashish, because there was a lot of research around the fact that maybe some
[SPEAKER_04]: So there's a ton of historical research on the early assassins, and there's a monster Wikipedia article out there if you want some more.
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't want to go too far deep into that stuff, because it gets into a level of history that I don't want to necessarily speak on, because there's a lot of details.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I literally would just be presiding the encyclopedia, so the Wikipedia entry.
[SPEAKER_04]: But what I did want to talk a little bit about was urban insurgencies, which I think are a little bit more interesting, and something I have a little easier time talking about in general from sort of a broad standpoint, urban insurgencies, especially in an environment like this, where you have a walled city, have a really potent effect because.
[SPEAKER_04]: the violence and the action and the fear and the terror that you are trying to inflict kind of reverberate inside the walls of this city.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like if you are able to leave, if things are starting to get weird and you want to get out and the countryside is safe and you can go to another city and go live with your relatives and other place and there's no other invading armies or anything like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: then sort of new problem, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: But when you have uncertainty in the landscape and you're inside of this sort of safe environment of a city, but then this is a walled in city, it tends to amplify these effects.
[SPEAKER_04]: So one of the first things that an urban insurgency of this nature is trying to do is it's putting violence in service of politics.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the assassinations are their terror tools designed to force loyalty, to push narratives, to sail this a sense of legitimacy.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's not just about killing people, but it's about putting things into question, political issues into question.
[SPEAKER_04]: and that every active violence should be sending a specific political message about who holds power and who and who cannot be protected and use their power in that dynamic.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so then the next thing that you get is really that the fact that the population, the people in this area, they're the real battlefield.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're really what's being fought over.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the aim is to make common people fear the regime more than the emergence or to put doubts in the minds of people relative to the regime's ability to protect them.
[SPEAKER_04]: So exactly what you were saying.
[SPEAKER_04]: you either get this overreaction by the authorities or people think God can be authorities really protect us.
[SPEAKER_04]: And you start to lose social cohesion and the expectation of a kind of normality of things are going to operate in a certain way.
[SPEAKER_04]: People are going to drive on the left.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're going to stop at stop signs.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, you know, a loaf of bread is going to be, you know, I'm going to be able to purchase from this beta, whatever.
[SPEAKER_04]: So once merchants stepped in small folk start to adapt their behavior to the insurgents threats instead of the royal edicts, then you've already started to collapse good order in the expectation of sort of normalcy.
[SPEAKER_04]: The assassins then will focus on vulnerable hinge figures so you target middle-tier officials, influencers, not our modern influencers, but, you know, but leader's septons, you know, a local priest, something like that security specialist, gold cloaks, you know, the commander of a particular area of gold cloaks.
[SPEAKER_04]: And all of this removals cause this outside, just cause a disruption that's outside to the level of the person.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're like, oh damn, the local sanitation chief for our neighborhood got waxed.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's crazy.
[SPEAKER_04]: That guy was like a nobody.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he just made sure that stuff was getting done and they waxed him like what the hell?
[SPEAKER_04]: That gets really scary.
[SPEAKER_04]: And,
[SPEAKER_04]: You know, then if you use the insurgency force are able to kill the informers of the police or the crown, guild elders, lutenants, all of it is sort of calibrated to intimidate.
[SPEAKER_04]: not only intimidate people, but to start to hollow out the administrative capacity of the urban.
[SPEAKER_04]: So it's space.
[SPEAKER_04]: So things stop functioning.
[SPEAKER_04]: The normal order of things is disrupted.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hey, the sanitation boss for this neighborhood, he's dead.
[SPEAKER_04]: Nobody else is organizing.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cruz, the city is starting to get filthy, waste is starting to pile up that further
[SPEAKER_04]: So obviously, all of these operations are running in secret.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're typically running in cells, so that if one cell is discovered, they don't, you can't take down the whole network because they're distributed.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then you can use social existing social organizations to hide yourself under or in and around.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you can embed inside a guild or religious organization, street gangs, other big families or households.
[SPEAKER_04]: You would have burrow yourself in so that you're sort of invisible to the outside.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then that way, if there's a crackdown or a sweep, you can rebuild really quickly and your cells are distributed in one person can't take out, you know, just because you capture one guy doesn't mean that you can take out the whole network.
[SPEAKER_04]: So all of this destabilization is then setting conditions for a later conflict or invasion.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're tying down the city watch, you're triggering purges and paranoia among elites.
[SPEAKER_04]: The nobles are starting to fight amongst each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: Economic life is starting to erode.
[SPEAKER_04]: It starts hard or harder to get resources and supplies, food, things like that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Um, and the city starts to sort of become brittle.
[SPEAKER_04]: People aren't edge, they're nervous, they're sniping at, you know, they're, they're arguing with each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're like, oh, there's, you know, a limited supply of bread, people sort of like, ah, you know, and they get all crazy and are fighting with each other.
[SPEAKER_04]: So then if you have a war brewing or an invasion brewing, you know, everybody's sort of already on edge and things are already unstable, and then you can hit like specific targets and assassinate certain people, gate guards, you know, somebody in charge of an armory.
[SPEAKER_04]: so that you can cause a lot of confusion in destabilization so that when you get, your impact will have even more energy and force as it comes in because you're, everybody's like, oh my god, suddenly like the invaders are really here and there's nobody here to protect us and there's no systems to protect us.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then oftentimes the, the hidden objective of these things is as you said before is on perfectly that you're trying to provoke an overreaction by the authorities.
[SPEAKER_04]: So you're trying to get the rulers to lash out and send in the gold cloaks to this whole neighborhood and just roused everybody, torture suspects.
[SPEAKER_04]: uh, punish entire sex or guilds.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so the idea that the heavy handed reprisals will then drive people who are sitting on the fence who are neutral towards the insurgents or if they're not pushing them towards somebody, then you're at least pushing them away from cooperation with the crown.
[SPEAKER_04]: which all adds to that sort of destabilizing effect of this sort of expectation of normal operation in order of the city.
[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for attending my TED Talk on urban incertancies.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very nice, very nice, very nice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_04]: Hope that was informative and not too monology, but I think it's really an interesting aspect.
[SPEAKER_04]: that this is what Ormond is doing is is that he's trying to use.
[SPEAKER_04]: Misari, it was like, the people are your strengths, you know, handing out bread at the sep is your coronation.
[SPEAKER_04]: And Ormond is like, uh, uh, uh, not so fast.
[SPEAKER_04]: And he's now flipping his judo flipping that on her through this very specific
[SPEAKER_04]: uh, using these assassins, um, to so terror and uh, I think it's going to have a really big impact on King's Landing and then how the, the war's ultimately going to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: Well, I've kind of talked a lot.
[SPEAKER_04]: I'm a little horse.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, you want to talk to us a little bit about, uh, tumultons.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, me down.
[SPEAKER_03]: Meanwhile, and tumultons.
[SPEAKER_03]: Done.
[SPEAKER_03]: Lord Anman receives the message from the Sassans and gets a status of Defeat from Lord Rockstone about the disposition of their forces.
[SPEAKER_03]: He orders an increase in men, conscription, and material in order to better fortify Thomerton from the coming assault, from the Riverlands on me.
[SPEAKER_03]: We learned about the yellow towed of dawn.
[SPEAKER_03]: They run makes a winning move at what passes for chess in Westero, so a gosh.
[SPEAKER_04]: So first thing we got to do is I feel a little bit of shame so that we didn't call this out before.
[SPEAKER_04]: But our man, Joplin, Cibitaine, who's playing Rocksbury here, so four mons right hand.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you recognize him?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did it until you pointed it down.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's the actor, who played Brasso, and yours buddy.
[SPEAKER_04]: And so we've got a couple of Andor's spin-off actors here.
[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, fun, fun little fact to it.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do we got here?
[SPEAKER_04]: We have...
[SPEAKER_04]: So obviously, we learned about the threat, but then we're learning a little bit more about Ormond and Dayruns.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, Ormond's head on the pike.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like right quick, step.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, he has to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it goes.
[SPEAKER_03]: He has.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, him and Christian and Cole, they got to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: They, you know, I can't wait until next season for both of them to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: One of them has to go this season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't both go next season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: They can't go into next season together.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because next ones in our final season according to what one of them has to go this season.
[SPEAKER_03]: Got it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cuz.
[SPEAKER_04]: The terror and dare on the eye.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_04]: Good acting on that young actor, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt, I was like, oh, no, what is he going to do?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, don't hit him.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't cut him, don't, oh, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Instead, he gives him the line, never apologize for victory.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, after he's getting the shit out of him because how many of the times that he hasn't got in that line, but he's gotten a smake or worse.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think it's important.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it was like the whole time that we're leading up to that when he sweeps the pieces.
[SPEAKER_04]: I was like, don't like you want this guy to be king don't terrorize him, show me like give him a win.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right, but then that's the whole gaslighting thing where you never sure whether you're going to get the open hand or the fist.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that's terrifying, especially for a young kid who doesn't know anything else.
[SPEAKER_04]: And what, what a trip to have your head on a coin, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like talk about a simple power.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's just, thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: All men is just, ah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the way that he talked about the yellow toad, yeah, Doran.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: Just, Oh, military mind, but divested of beauty.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we really learned about his gender norm ideas.
[SPEAKER_04]: This is my third quote, which I really like this line of darrons, which is, you know, was she a hero or a villain?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is she a hero that or a villain?
[SPEAKER_05]: the Targaryens and you're nothing of our civilization, the power civilization, what they had, what they still have is strength.
[SPEAKER_05]: The armies, the obscenity of their dragons, the area of Montel, outwitted an enemy, a coming mind can resist the most savage of beasts, and dawn remains unbroken even today.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gotta love those line deliveries, though.
[SPEAKER_04]: Gotta love that dialogue.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man.
[SPEAKER_04]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
[SPEAKER_04]: Same against dragons.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, I would say, if for Armon, if he grew up being able to tame dragons, hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: become a dragon writer, if that was a possible route for him, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He would do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: All this shitty talking, all this crappy talking about.
[SPEAKER_03]: If he had a viable route to become an a dragon, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like if that was an realm of possibility for him, he would fucking do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: Power.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: So the game that they were playing turns out is actually a thing in West Dorosi culture, apparently it was the game at which I cannot pronounce it or love it if one of our maesters.
[SPEAKER_04]: sends in a maybe an honest, okay, do it.
[SPEAKER_04]: I can't, no, I don't even know how to pronounce it.
[SPEAKER_04]: C-Y-V-A-S-E. What are you supposed to do with C-Y-V?
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't even know how to put the English pronunciation together.
[SPEAKER_04]: Vasset, yeah, no, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anyway, apparently it originated in Valantis and then came into Dorn, and then up from there, and maybe it's not, it's common in Westeros at this time, but then it apparently it's described in a feast of crows and a dance with dragons.
[SPEAKER_04]: There's some references into, in there, according to the, the Westerosy Wikipedia that are out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So maybe
[SPEAKER_04]: correct us on the pronunciation and maybe I tell us some of the workings.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know what the hollow chest is called in Star Wars shown?
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you know that doesn't name?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did not know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you know all these years?
[SPEAKER_03]: Dish Eric.
[SPEAKER_04]: Dish Eric.
[SPEAKER_04]: D-E-J-A-R-I-K. That's what the game's called.
[SPEAKER_04]: And all these years, no.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I needed to die, I was like, I went down a little rabbit hole today.
[SPEAKER_04]: So anyway, right, let's go on the hunt for Vagar with Bala and Adam in a scene right out of the Jurassic movies.
[SPEAKER_04]: We see a burnt footprint of Vagar or Bala and Adam talk, Bala expresses her guilt over her part in Jason's death.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's got to go to sleep now.
[SPEAKER_03]: She got to take a map.
[SPEAKER_03]: She got to get a good night eight hours in, you know, get some food because she is not operating at a 1,000% right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've got to get some rest flying around at altitude and speed higher you out My sister got to get some rest man, you know, it was nice to have Bethany and Tonya actually have some lines of dialogue that actually had some meaning to them and in some character depths to them Yeah
[SPEAKER_04]: They've been all these sisters, and characters have all just been sisters as meaning, you know, Baylan, Reina, and everybody.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've just been all too dimensional up until this point.
[SPEAKER_04]: They've actually gotten some dialogue, but these last two episodes.
[SPEAKER_04]: But it's not enough.
[SPEAKER_03]: And the thing is, you can see that, obviously, she's pained by Jason's death.
[SPEAKER_03]: But just not in the way that people thought that she would be pained.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's pained that he's not because of the love of her life died.
[SPEAKER_03]: But she's pained that he died.
[SPEAKER_03]: That, you know, and she played a role in it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's hardly her fault.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, she wanted to be a hero.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she says as much.
[SPEAKER_03]: and that played a role into, you know, in passing away instead of trying to temper him and say, look, we gotta chill right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let's split him in, let's, you know, talk to the queen, talk to, you know, my dad, let's, let's see what we, what we really can do here.
[SPEAKER_03]: They rush off, you know, youthful exuberance,
[SPEAKER_04]: Being driven by that kind of guilt, being driven by a sense of needing to prove yourself to being insufficient and that you've got to always boast and put yourself forward and show that you are capable, that's just gonna lead to bad outcomes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and now, like you just said, needing to prove yourself.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not so much about the remorse right now.
[SPEAKER_04]: She doesn't need to prove she doesn't need to do that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Your talented enough as it is.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're a dragon writer.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're one of the better dragon writers that's out there.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's got hours on the stick, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, you know, you talk about a pilot's logbook logging hours.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's flying in all weather and all locations.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's learning.
[SPEAKER_04]: of the terrain, she's got mad levels of experience at this point and she is an tremendous out.
[SPEAKER_04]: She is nothing to prove to anybody.
[SPEAKER_04]: But that feeling of in what's in a quote, not in a quote, not in a quote.
[SPEAKER_04]: And that like we see inadequacy.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's the word.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's that's poison, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's bad.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't need it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we see it here.
[SPEAKER_04]: Is Adam in the friend zone or is he, are we shipping them or like what's going on?
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I thought it was Alan, but in this scene, he gave a little look like maybe it's me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want my brother to be fighting, you know.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because he was, he was like, hey, let's roll off out of here when we can go lie off some day when this is all over.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know, I don't know, this is an interesting situation that is here.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, there's not much of a description for the great tip.
[SPEAKER_04]: Do you want to kick us off on this conversation?
[SPEAKER_03]: In a pivotal scene, we're in our own statement.
[SPEAKER_03]: Discuss the luminance.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't bump, bump, bump.
[SPEAKER_04]: Did you, uh, it was this, was this a heavy hit scene for you?
[SPEAKER_03]: It was.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, especially when naming turns around and walks off and says, you know, you're better than this.
[SPEAKER_04]: I love that he's always throwing these, I got to have the last word.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I'm going to do it off camera.
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't forget to kill the boy.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's like, I'm still going to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: what I'm going to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to, you know, it's going to go down, but you can, you know, you better this, this is a, come on, you got to love it, you got to love it, you got to love it, you got to love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So good.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought this scene.
[SPEAKER_04]: for Darcy and Smith to be laying down the high Valerian like this with the intonation, the way he was saying like, oh, you know, it's going to be this glorious ascension and it'll never snow and the way she says his name.
[SPEAKER_04]: I just, it was so freaking good.
[SPEAKER_04]: You got so much just from the tone of their voice, even though I don't speak high Valerians.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know what there's.
[SPEAKER_04]: I got to read subtitles.
[SPEAKER_04]: But reading the subtitles and then hearing their intonations was just magical, it was just so good.
[SPEAKER_03]: And there's an intimacy to it too, that they're sharing this language that very few people can share with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: At this level, even.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, at this level.
[SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, there's an intimate thing to be enabled to discuss something with someone where no one else can understand what you're talking about, you know, and even in hush tones.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're speaking in hush tones, but, you know, it's like, who's there is going to, you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: you know, discussion that they're having.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I just love that they're having it in in the high for Larry Hamilton.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just adds an extra layer of their Juno Sikhua about them together.
[SPEAKER_04]: Two sides of the same coin.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that we go again.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: And the coin we had a coin is like, so great.
[SPEAKER_04]: Again, great construction of that episode, great writing and the way they tie things together.
[SPEAKER_04]: I really like to this whole thing, this tension that you're, what does he say?
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought I wrote it down, here it is, yeah.
[SPEAKER_04]: You hear wind in these vaulted towers and imagine their omens when there are none.
[SPEAKER_04]: And to me, this is playing off with the hair and haul thing too, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: She throws his stone, knowing the bats are there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, she's a witch, but she's not like a zap you with her, like, ray bolts from her fingers, which, I mean, you know, we don't know that kind of thing.
[SPEAKER_04]: You don't like a dream.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
[SPEAKER_04]: This would be a different show for you, but I love this tension between our brains want to create patterns, our brains want to construct meaning.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're able to detect
[SPEAKER_04]: What is it that what's the line there's a pattern and a purpose a single mind or or many hands acting as one they're detecting that real pattern that something's going on here, but then she's talking about the gods raised me up they gave me a dragon just what I needed it and I don't know so she's trying to get metaphysical on it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And it's just like, girl, that is not the way God's what God's, where who knows anything about the God's except for these septons, we have dragons that breathe fire and no God has struck a dragon down.
[SPEAKER_04]: Now, just because a dragon got eaten by another dragon, you want to make that out to be a God thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't believe it, but she feels it though, no, she feels it.
[SPEAKER_03]: She feels it and I've got that something is working against her.
[SPEAKER_03]: She feels it.
[SPEAKER_04]: And there's a real end.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been there.
[SPEAKER_04]: Something that stirs against me, something crouched, something enormous.
[SPEAKER_04]: Oh, in this dialogue, it's so freaking good to see you, then.
[SPEAKER_03]: Love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you can't tell, you can't tell someone who feels it in their gut that they're not.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: It's true.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're living a truth that you're not going to be able to take them off of.
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then I love this final scene of this, the final part of this scene where she mocks him.
[SPEAKER_04]: She's like, OK, Mr. Smarty Pants, if these are just men,
[SPEAKER_04]: then WTF, you're the great Damien Targaryen.
[SPEAKER_04]: And these fools have you outfoxed.
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you?
[SPEAKER_04]: What are you gonna do about it?
[SPEAKER_04]: And he looks at her and he just goes, I know what you're doing to me.
[SPEAKER_04]: I know what you, I know you're play, I see you right through it, and the thing is he knows that it's still even working all the way across the right button that he is just no way that he can handle having his ego challenged that way.
[SPEAKER_04]: He's got to go do something about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's great stuff right there.
[SPEAKER_04]: So we get then this sort of montage of a crispy coal, you know, given his deathmark
[SPEAKER_04]: We see Helena and Allison attempt to escape using sort of a secret wall in the room that they didn't know it was there, but the cat let him know it was there G Wayne noops out he's like I'm not having any of this me and a couple of my boys what we're out of here
[SPEAKER_04]: and then Damon finds the bloody scene of the murdered gold cloaks written behind them on the wall, a feast for traders.
[SPEAKER_04]: All the while, we've got this sort of music and crispy coal talking a bunch of words.
[SPEAKER_04]: I thought it was a brilliant end to the episode again.
[SPEAKER_04]: The episode was a lot of mechanical stuff, but it was a really nice way to bring it to a close.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I just, the scene with the feasts of traitors, that was incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was incredible.
[SPEAKER_03]: The way that the whole, the visual,
[SPEAKER_03]: was just amazing to see them laughing all the way in literally a lot of the way yeah just really incredible and it got me wondering how was this accomplished you know what I mean picked off one by one and placed there you know on each chair the day would they be felled upon by you know many adversaries so this is a lot of
[SPEAKER_03]: got me thinking about how they were able to do all of this and stage it in such a way.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just wonderful.
[SPEAKER_04]: And unless you burn the place down again, because I was already burned up, I didn't know, I was like, when Damon was going through the hallways and stuff, I was like, where is he?
[SPEAKER_04]: What's going on here?
[SPEAKER_04]: Does he have an adream?
[SPEAKER_04]: Is he back at Heron Hall?
[SPEAKER_04]: Like, what's up?
[SPEAKER_04]: I didn't realize, you know, they did torch that place and then stage those bodies.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_04]: Because that's the gold cloak area to, yeah, they, that's gruesome work to then get all those bodies positioned like that and all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_04]: That's just some nasty, nasty stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just visually stunning.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right.
[SPEAKER_04]: And then, of course, we leave Helena and Allison in the dark, down in those catacombs.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that's a bit of a cliffhanger.
[SPEAKER_04]: And we've got crispy coal, maybe fighting his last battles.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.
[SPEAKER_04]: We don't know yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully, fingers crossed.
[SPEAKER_04]: Any final thoughts before we wrap up and get out of here?
[SPEAKER_03]: Nah, like I said, I think this was a much more chilled episode, lots of some good character stuff we're cold, especially.
[SPEAKER_03]: And again, just, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: This season has been really, really on point.
[SPEAKER_04]: What do we have?
[SPEAKER_04]: Five now?
[SPEAKER_04]: We got three more to go.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, three more.
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay, we know we have at least one big battle.
[SPEAKER_04]: Come, I mean, they're building us toward Dumbledon, right?
[SPEAKER_04]: So we're assuming that that's going to go down.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think the book readers are wondering, like, where are we going to break the season and what are we going to see and what are we going to not going to see in terms of big set piece actions?
[SPEAKER_04]: Right.
[SPEAKER_04]: So if you have any thoughts about that, and you want to do some book
[SPEAKER_04]: or if you haven't thoughts about this episode in general, Alice having to be saved by a man or any of the other interesting topics of this episode brought up H-O-T-D at theloorhounds.com.
[SPEAKER_04]: Record of voicemail, send it in, touch to that same email.
[SPEAKER_04]: address Nancy I believe is around this week and will be helping us out again I know that she just had some celebrations in her family that's her private business but Nancy congratulations I know congratulations very pleased you could just give general congratulations to Nancy if you see her on the discord and she can tell you the news if she so chooses
[SPEAKER_04]: uh... we've got uh... an episode five thread up there neat or resident military historian and strategist are you need or you strategist or tactician i know i was mixing those words up together last week
[SPEAKER_04]: We'll get those cleared up later.
[SPEAKER_04]: But there are, he's making these maps that are so cool.
[SPEAKER_04]: And I think just add this awesome player.
[SPEAKER_04]: So thank you for doing that.
[SPEAKER_04]: Like that was a really, I'm glad you got inspired.
[SPEAKER_04]: You're definitely adding to the community with that.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Um, right, let's stop wrapping up, uh, silo, uh, still going full force, super girl, X-min 97, all coming, uh, go check out Dungeons and do Rags.
[SPEAKER_04]: Uh, we're going to be over there with those guys again for a season wrap up that meanwhile they're doing their coverage weekly as well.
[SPEAKER_04]: Never mind, the music is coming up on a big anniversary, and so we've got something recorded with them.
[SPEAKER_04]: Cosmere Corner is coming apparently at the end of the month.
[SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, John, if you've listening to it this far, is that still the case?
[SPEAKER_04]: That's what we heard last time was that you guys are going to be doing.
[SPEAKER_04]: They're doing, if you don't know,
[SPEAKER_04]: Brandon Saturn, Sanderson, who was the author that was brought in to finish up the Wheel of Time series and who's one of, I think he still has the biggest Kickstarter ever.
[SPEAKER_04]: They even have a game known RPG game for his world.
[SPEAKER_04]: Jill and the Fellows from Radioactive Ramblers are doing kind of
[SPEAKER_04]: read along where they're reading, you know, three or four chapters at a time and they're dropping podcasts on all of those talking through the books and talking about what goes down.
[SPEAKER_04]: So that should be out soon.
[SPEAKER_04]: Let's have fun.
[SPEAKER_04]: Anything else you want to plug real quick?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, brand new day, Spider-Man, soon to come.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, be on the lookout for that probably before X-Men, 97, that'll hit the feeds.
[SPEAKER_04]: We're gonna, we get to a big movie here, man.
[SPEAKER_04]: What is he using?
[SPEAKER_04]: It's smashing domestic box office record.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hopefully I get to see it this week, we'll see.
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, my wife and I were talking about seeing it, but it's three hours, so like, that's a big chunk of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and...
[SPEAKER_03]: If I those who don't know, doomsday, yeah, Avengers doomsday trailer, the first trailer drop today.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, if you haven't seen it, go check it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, of course I watch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It could just check it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Just check it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, watch it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, are you opinions, early opinions?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no, no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was a presently surprise and happy with most of what I saw.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yeah, maybe it's a big movie or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's a big movie here.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a huge, huge movie here.
[SPEAKER_04]: All right, well, on that note, let's get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: uh... there are a lot of people on who have been on this list for a lot of time so literally couldn't do it without you uh... john i think we said friday right for a friday yeah friday for the feedback the lecture time it is up and we will see you at the end of the week peace
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