WEBVTT 00:00.287 --> 00:01.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to Baby Raccoon with the Spinal Issue. 00:02.009 --> 00:03.590 [SPEAKER_01]: Why do we have all this footage of him as a child? 00:15.961 --> 00:23.342 [SPEAKER_01]: So actually we're going to be talking about the trade deadline and prospects who may or may not be dangled in exchange for bigger, more established names. 00:23.462 --> 00:31.144 [SPEAKER_01]: Try to narrow it down to the five top prospects who could be on the move with the deadline of the packages that they might lead, but of course I want to go to Eric for more thoughts. 00:31.324 --> 00:34.424 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyone we missed, we're going to be talking about some big names on this show. 00:34.744 --> 00:38.105 [SPEAKER_01]: Some of whom we've shot Sean in recent episodes, especially the future's game showcase. 00:38.125 --> 00:41.926 [SPEAKER_01]: Plus, writers and followers, all that and more, Eric, welcome to the show. 00:42.026 --> 00:42.666 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's get after it. 00:43.622 --> 00:45.083 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a fun time of year. 00:45.504 --> 00:47.806 [SPEAKER_00]: It's also a kind of a confusing time of year. 00:47.946 --> 00:53.951 [SPEAKER_00]: Like when we see the trades go down and we see the names involved, you're like, why is that guy going in a trade for a middle reliever? 00:53.991 --> 00:54.852 [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was a guy. 00:55.392 --> 01:00.577 [SPEAKER_00]: Or, how did those two players end up getting one of the best players in the trade deadline? 01:00.977 --> 01:06.081 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just kind of like under, it allows and kind of forces us to get a better understanding of what's actually going on in the minor leagues. 01:06.902 --> 01:14.007 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, taking a kind of form systems that frankly none of us really look at until this time of year or a lot of us look at this time of year at all. 01:14.608 --> 01:22.934 [SPEAKER_00]: So again, fun time, certainly the lot of things can change but there's also a lot of speculation which can be fun but also can lead to some of the worst takes on planet Earth. 01:23.014 --> 01:25.536 [SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully we can kind of land on the the positive side of there. 01:26.185 --> 01:32.048 [SPEAKER_01]: And look, the reality is that front offices in the boring caveat front offices value different prospects differently. 01:32.068 --> 01:43.732 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't just go down to top 100 list and maybe that the angels love someone you haven't even thought about who's in the red success and then they prioritize them in a big package read debt versus on the move and you're like, how did that like Eric said? 01:43.772 --> 01:44.473 [SPEAKER_01]: How did that guy go? 01:44.533 --> 01:46.534 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that did I miss reading the market entirely? 01:46.874 --> 01:52.136 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, but we're trying to throw out the bigger names who you could see on the move leading these potential trade packages. 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[SPEAKER_01]: Your thoughts and get his insights. 02:24.250 --> 02:25.290 [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be in the description. 02:25.310 --> 02:26.771 [SPEAKER_01]: So please join that as well. 02:26.831 --> 02:29.713 [SPEAKER_01]: Plenty of added conversation this time of year. 02:29.953 --> 02:32.815 [SPEAKER_01]: But here's Eric and I try to parse it, try to figure it out. 02:32.975 --> 02:37.958 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had to start with trying to figure out a terrible conversation, package, all that stuff. 02:37.998 --> 02:38.518 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's hard. 02:38.999 --> 02:40.279 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he is going, I mean, 02:41.240 --> 02:42.501 [SPEAKER_01]: Jeff Passen just did it again. 02:43.042 --> 02:48.707 [SPEAKER_01]: He just put out his list of the top trade candidates and and most important deadline aims in school powering number one. 02:48.807 --> 02:54.151 [SPEAKER_01]: Even though the tires are closing, they're like four and a half out of the wild car, they're closing the division. 02:54.992 --> 02:57.654 [SPEAKER_01]: They're still 600, 500, but they had a big win last night. 02:57.734 --> 03:02.879 [SPEAKER_01]: Every morning you wake up, you can't count them out, but also as this is Joey Otani, like Missed Opportunity, where are we? 03:02.959 --> 03:03.519 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm scared. 03:04.460 --> 03:07.323 [SPEAKER_01]: He had him as 60% likely to go this morning. 03:07.663 --> 03:08.764 [SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's a weird list. 03:08.904 --> 03:11.047 [SPEAKER_01]: Byron Buxton is his second ranked player. 03:11.287 --> 03:13.850 [SPEAKER_01]: And he acknowledges 10% likelihood he gets traded. 03:13.890 --> 03:16.392 [SPEAKER_01]: Buxton keeps saying, I'm a twin, the twins keep saying they're not moving him. 03:16.593 --> 03:18.695 [SPEAKER_01]: But he's still ranked second, because he's byron Buxton. 03:18.735 --> 03:20.817 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've all the potential talent available. 03:21.338 --> 03:23.921 [SPEAKER_01]: He'd be the second most impactful, even though he's unlikely to move. 03:24.301 --> 03:26.563 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is why school bulls the central focus of. 03:27.224 --> 03:34.167 [SPEAKER_01]: all deadline content, this podcast, all podcasts, even though, I mean, man is likely to really 60% I don't know. 03:34.187 --> 03:35.228 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels less than that. 03:35.588 --> 03:40.290 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Tigers, in this American league, all it takes to change that narrative is one series sweep. 03:40.850 --> 03:41.891 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really not that hard. 03:42.191 --> 03:43.972 [SPEAKER_01]: The red socks stacked four. 03:44.352 --> 03:47.593 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's why we are where we are talking about them in a completely different life. 03:47.633 --> 03:51.475 [SPEAKER_01]: But even if they had only swept two of those series, we probably would have been saying, 03:51.815 --> 03:57.580 [SPEAKER_01]: Threat sex maybe need to go ahead and do something aggressive instead of an aggressive sell job because the American League is that week. 03:57.920 --> 04:09.189 [SPEAKER_01]: So the latest on scooble, the Dodgers sound like they will not be as aggressive as fans or worried they'd be if something falls into their laps, they're not going to say no, but I don't think they're going to be plundering the Farb system for Terri scooble. 04:09.269 --> 04:17.696 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think everybody has their worst-case scenario in mind that's obviously the nightmare for plenty of fans, but I don't think that's as likely as some other potential outcomes. 04:18.783 --> 04:26.447 [SPEAKER_01]: if the rays are involved with their reloadable farm system, I think they'll be more aggressive than the Dodgers. 04:27.367 --> 04:37.893 [SPEAKER_01]: In this once in a lifetime opportunity to upgrade and add schoolable in the client of hand and Drew Rasmussen, because the rays went to Fenway Park this past weekend and ran 04:43.055 --> 04:49.525 [SPEAKER_01]: and I think they know that if they're going to win the division, make noise in October, they need a third head to the hydra. 04:49.705 --> 04:59.198 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I put Theo Gillin in here as the man who'd be the central figure in a Terrascope will trade, and I think that's the only way he would move, but that's why he's on my list. 04:59.679 --> 05:13.073 [SPEAKER_01]: of top five projects who could move at this deadline, he might be the most electric potential headliner and he'd only move for school, but I'm curious as to your thoughts here on the school market in general and given as a potential headliner. 05:13.898 --> 05:25.789 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you're 100% right that you're afraid between these two teams and this isn't just we, you know, Paul and your name out of a hat, we've heard that the raise could be really aggressive in a trade for school, if he's actually available. 05:26.249 --> 05:35.357 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is pretty much the only trade that they could, that only centerpiece of a trade they could do to make this trade work because the, once he had passed Gillen, 05:36.238 --> 05:37.500 [SPEAKER_00]: the depths a little bit. 05:37.920 --> 05:42.945 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd maybe less proven and probably wouldn't be what the Tigers are looking for in terms of return. 05:43.686 --> 05:59.642 [SPEAKER_00]: And the only other way you could probably convince the Tigers was to take more money off their books and that the razor absolutely never going to be the team that are going to be like sure we'll take on this $15 million dead money contract to kind of sweeten the deal a little bit because again they just can't they don't have the payroll flexibility to do that. 06:00.625 --> 06:03.427 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't think that the race would do it. 06:03.467 --> 06:09.251 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Gillian's kind of that combination of speeding power, they know what they've gotten in him and they knew how to unlock him. 06:09.811 --> 06:17.196 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they'll probably see that his future value to them as a franchise is too much to give up for a rental in school. 06:17.396 --> 06:18.497 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's what school is, is a rental. 06:18.917 --> 06:29.044 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes, making a school trade so hard is that the tigers are not going to be incentivized at all to move school unless it blows them away because again, they're making a run right now. 06:29.224 --> 06:30.505 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's entirely possible. 06:30.525 --> 06:34.067 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's say that they are only okay over the next two weeks, right? 06:34.127 --> 06:34.948 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say that happens. 06:35.448 --> 06:45.355 [SPEAKER_00]: They could still make a run in August and be not just in the running, but they could be in the second wild card spot where the game cushion. 06:45.575 --> 06:46.716 [SPEAKER_00]: It could very easily happen. 06:46.756 --> 06:52.080 [SPEAKER_00]: The AL is that unstable and frankly, that bad where that could easily happen. 06:52.700 --> 07:07.054 [SPEAKER_00]: So if the Tigers are going to do this, they're going to need to get some content, some, some talent that not only could help them this year, probably could get some help pitching-wise, maybe on the lower end, that is, that we may be big league ready, or maybe a reliever, and then a guy like Gillen, who can kind of use this kind of a for-the-future type pick, right? 07:07.354 --> 07:10.858 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see the choice making the deal unless a guy like Gillen's in play. 07:12.638 --> 07:40.075 [SPEAKER_01]: thing like it's not just the fact that they're only a handful of games out in a bad American league people are comparing this to the angel sitting on show hey of a tawny a couple years ago and I understand why you're doing that because huge name also the raise where we were to that trade that there's a junior cabin area deal that never happened so the cop is obvious but those angels even though they were ace stones throw or a couple stones throws away from the playoffs we all knew that angel team was not talented enough to make a playoff run. 07:40.315 --> 07:49.323 [SPEAKER_01]: Whereas, this tires team, even if they only rise as far as a second wild card, the consensus was they were division favorites or close to an entering season. 07:49.763 --> 07:51.845 [SPEAKER_01]: People believe they're the most talented team in the central. 07:52.225 --> 07:53.886 [SPEAKER_01]: They're run differential bears it out. 07:53.966 --> 08:00.192 [SPEAKER_01]: This Red Sox run has been so magical for so many reasons, but they always had a positive run differential like tigers. 08:00.672 --> 08:06.237 [SPEAKER_01]: So Red Sox fans and tigers fans were sitting in similar buckets a couple of weeks ago saying we're more talented than this. 08:06.837 --> 08:16.605 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the ceiling is, but we, the end of the play on the field, while it's been frustrating, has still resulted in a positive run differential, so positive regression should be coming. 08:16.946 --> 08:20.128 [SPEAKER_01]: The red socks have progressed positively, like wildfire. 08:20.489 --> 08:24.572 [SPEAKER_01]: The tigers may not have made quite the same run, but they're more in it than they would have been. 08:24.592 --> 08:31.358 [SPEAKER_01]: So the difference here is that if the angels with Otani had slipped into the playoffs, 08:32.278 --> 08:36.040 [SPEAKER_01]: they wouldn't have been doing so with a quality roster, and they would have been quickly exposed. 08:36.400 --> 08:47.066 [SPEAKER_01]: The calculation you have to make is, if the Tigers sneak in, if they don't win the division, but they win a second wild card, it's not, was it worth it to make the playoffs? 08:47.406 --> 08:49.688 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, what do we think we can do when we get there? 08:49.868 --> 08:56.291 [SPEAKER_01]: And the data shows right now that they're talented enough in this American League to win the world series if they get in. 08:56.891 --> 08:59.213 [SPEAKER_01]: Also, that sort of goes for any team in the American League. 08:59.793 --> 09:04.256 [SPEAKER_01]: But the playoffs, you know, when the AL, it's not that hard to win the AL at this point. 09:04.556 --> 09:08.519 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no roadblock where you're saying they can't be X. 09:08.900 --> 09:12.802 [SPEAKER_01]: Any team in the American League playoff field can beat any other team in the American League playoff field. 09:12.982 --> 09:26.552 [SPEAKER_01]: As currently constructed, and it'll be the trade deadline that tells us if the Yankees reinforce enough that they become a big bad, or if the raise do it, or if the red socks from the back of the pack were the white socks do it. 09:26.692 --> 09:30.237 [SPEAKER_01]: right now it's a whole bunch of teams that could beat one another. 09:30.717 --> 09:39.088 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you are the tires and you can only sneak in, you hold TerrixGoogle and you finally start playing your run differential, you can make the world series. 09:40.132 --> 09:41.834 [SPEAKER_01]: because of the American League that we're in. 09:41.874 --> 09:44.296 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why it's different than the Angels and Otani. 09:44.716 --> 09:56.506 [SPEAKER_01]: And even if they, you know, this isn't deadline dependent right now as currently constructed, if they trip into the playoffs, I think looking at the run differential, you could say they and the Red Sox are on similar trajectories. 09:56.566 --> 10:00.029 [SPEAKER_01]: That's just where I'm at and why I don't think it's ridiculous to hold on to him. 10:00.049 --> 10:02.772 [SPEAKER_01]: And why you need a given to cement that package. 10:03.619 --> 10:12.025 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and the situations are also different in the sense that when the angels make their decision, everyone knew it was like their last chance. 10:12.365 --> 10:16.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Like this is they're gonna have to, regardless, they're about to enter a rebuild. 10:16.728 --> 10:17.989 [SPEAKER_00]: That is not where the Tigers are. 10:18.229 --> 10:19.670 [SPEAKER_00]: The Tigers are on their way out there. 10:20.050 --> 10:22.312 [SPEAKER_00]: The town that's coming up through the minor leagues is really, really good. 10:22.672 --> 10:23.453 [SPEAKER_00]: There's more coming. 10:23.873 --> 10:30.738 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just, and in the angels case, they not only held onto Old Tony when they knew they couldn't keep them, which, 10:31.830 --> 10:57.280 [SPEAKER_00]: If you assume that the angels and tigers were like the same place as a roster, that would kind of make sense, but they weren't again, but they also had to add so many other pieces to go in the other direction, to even be passive or look passable on paper, they traded away a real asset state, Lucas Giulio right now to a low pez trying to get that team over the hump and they cratered in the last month and season and and it weren't even close, well, sorry, the month. 10:57.520 --> 11:00.524 [SPEAKER_00]: after the trade deadline because then they did all those waver moves and things got weird. 11:00.864 --> 11:08.473 [SPEAKER_00]: But again, again, I think that very different situations, I can see, I can see a case for both, I could see why the Tigers would make a decision either way. 11:08.853 --> 11:10.976 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's unlikely that he could move to this point. 11:11.793 --> 11:17.316 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to move the ally in a little bit because I'm making chain link connections in my own brain as we go based on where the conversation is going. 11:17.336 --> 11:19.837 [SPEAKER_01]: And we just talked red socks and we just talked angels a little bit. 11:19.917 --> 11:23.759 [SPEAKER_01]: So I am now here like the angels appear to be a little bit more aggressive. 11:23.819 --> 11:28.381 [SPEAKER_01]: They're at least listening on the Zach nettoes of the world, the read debt murs of the world. 11:28.741 --> 11:30.182 [SPEAKER_01]: Netto would be of interest to Boston. 11:30.202 --> 11:34.444 [SPEAKER_01]: You would think Craig Breslow has been spoiler alert. 11:34.464 --> 11:35.765 [SPEAKER_01]: He had a good offseason actually. 11:36.165 --> 11:39.966 [SPEAKER_01]: his plan worked weirdly, it worked backwards, it took like months to work. 11:40.006 --> 11:42.527 [SPEAKER_01]: But Caleb Durbin, good, sunny gray, really good. 11:43.347 --> 11:45.867 [SPEAKER_01]: Ranger Suarez, really good, like these pieces are coming through. 11:46.127 --> 11:50.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Jake Bennett underrated trade, you know, weird prospect for prospect. 11:50.388 --> 11:50.889 [SPEAKER_01]: Really good. 11:51.809 --> 11:54.369 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to fairly evaluate where the red socks are. 11:54.809 --> 12:00.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think the next two weeks determine which of these red socks top prospects qualify for this conversation. 12:02.508 --> 12:04.710 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, the American League wide open is hell. 12:05.030 --> 12:15.740 [SPEAKER_01]: If the Red Sox are a couple games over 500 at the deadline, if they just play 500 ball for the next couple weeks, they're probably gonna add but not go insane. 12:16.100 --> 12:21.065 [SPEAKER_01]: And mostly stand pad and Brazil is gonna fairly evaluate the totality of the first half and say, 12:22.450 --> 12:23.050 [SPEAKER_01]: we're all right. 12:23.210 --> 12:25.792 [SPEAKER_01]: And in this American leave, we know we can get as hot as we just did. 12:25.912 --> 12:28.333 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to, you know, we're not going to mortgage the future. 12:28.613 --> 12:37.857 [SPEAKER_01]: But if they continue to go score stir and they're like undeniably, you know, they're fighting for the ALEs like they're a game back or whatnot, then yeah, he might go a little wilder. 12:38.457 --> 12:39.378 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I guess. 12:40.478 --> 12:44.559 [SPEAKER_01]: in nettoes in that conversation and catching help is in that conversation. 12:45.039 --> 12:51.980 [SPEAKER_01]: Hunter Goodman, Shea Langeliers, with the Red Sox, move Frankonarius, would they not go further than Marcelo Meyer? 12:52.121 --> 13:01.002 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think they've seen enough to know, but I am curious, your thoughts on like the varying degrees of Red Sox purchasing. 13:01.042 --> 13:04.003 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the top Red Sox prospect you think is on the table? 13:09.410 --> 13:25.576 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm certain to be on the list because pitching prospects are kind of one of those types of prospects that you want to move before they But to depreciate because they don't like depreciate a little bit when they do it's either they're really good and be more excited about them or they like they are Forgotten people that are lost in the mirror legs forever, right? 13:26.056 --> 13:28.917 [SPEAKER_00]: And in I instance case we have seen some regression there, which might make it where it's 13:29.577 --> 13:32.259 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even less likely they move him because you're out at the same value. 13:32.639 --> 13:42.904 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that they would move anybody, but the problem is with this trade deadline, what are the premium assets that sellers have that would bring about a blockbuster deal? 13:43.264 --> 13:46.206 [SPEAKER_00]: That would be scubable, who might not be moved at all, we just talked about that. 13:46.806 --> 13:47.627 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's also rental. 13:48.327 --> 13:53.450 [SPEAKER_00]: Bucks and who's very unlikely to move and he sounds like he's willing to veto any trade that moves in the twins. 13:55.253 --> 13:58.436 [SPEAKER_00]: maybe Joe Ryan, but again, the twins like the 18 liter guy around. 13:59.097 --> 14:02.100 [SPEAKER_00]: And if that in that type of deal, sure, they would move RS, right? 14:02.581 --> 14:08.927 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know what trade you look at that the would makes it like, with R is makes sense in a Zack Neto deal. 14:09.407 --> 14:13.091 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what, if you're like, you're bringing in a strictly worse in-fielder. 14:13.732 --> 14:16.534 [SPEAKER_00]: And a guy that you might have to put in left field neto. 14:17.195 --> 14:18.376 [SPEAKER_00]: he matches left hand at pitching. 14:18.917 --> 14:22.862 [SPEAKER_00]: Offensively he has a lot of things going for him, but he's also very frustrating in some ways as well. 14:23.482 --> 14:27.026 [SPEAKER_00]: Is that the move that you're really sending like a franklinarius or even a Marcelo Mayer for? 14:27.046 --> 14:28.728 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little bit skeptical about that. 14:28.748 --> 14:34.595 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that I just don't know, I think that it's not a question of are there is areas off limits? 14:34.955 --> 14:36.197 [SPEAKER_00]: Is there a move works worth it? 14:36.497 --> 14:45.259 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if I see one that would be ease like again, if Joe Ryan becomes available and the twins want to talk, I could absolutely see Arias being the centerpiece of a deal there. 14:45.639 --> 14:52.661 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know if I see a deal that Boston would be willing to, they'd be looking to make right now of likely outcomes. 14:52.701 --> 14:59.043 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, if we find out that there's some guy who we just had no idea was available and has two years of team control, then Arias could be as good as God. 14:59.838 --> 15:04.400 [SPEAKER_01]: I do think it's safer to say if we're doing a five prospect big board. 15:04.420 --> 15:10.102 [SPEAKER_01]: I intend as a safer person to put up on that board and say, these are our top five prospects we think we could move. 15:10.762 --> 15:23.747 [SPEAKER_01]: But it is again, like you said, nothing has ever been more developing than this situation over the next two weeks, which takes me to the Chicago Cubs who we already had our sunny grade of the Cubs pre-writes done. 15:23.887 --> 15:27.030 [SPEAKER_01]: Those were written a couple weeks ago, not so much anymore. 15:27.170 --> 15:31.995 [SPEAKER_01]: He's much more likely to win the ALS, Ion than he is to be a Chicago Cub in August. 15:32.395 --> 15:40.283 [SPEAKER_01]: So that leaves the cups of the need for pitching, and that leaves the cups plundering the depths of like, is that members available have far to be go for him. 15:40.303 --> 15:42.405 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, what the hell is available to me? 15:42.425 --> 15:44.848 [SPEAKER_01]: A team that desperately needs healthy starting pitching, 15:45.228 --> 15:53.650 [SPEAKER_01]: right now, which is why I sort of have the Cubs top names, like Hart Shore and Edward Jackson Williams for pitching is just sort of the nebulous pitching on my list. 15:53.670 --> 15:58.392 [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like if we're doing five top prospects who could move, the Cubs search has not gotten less desperate. 15:58.412 --> 16:07.474 [SPEAKER_01]: It's gotten more desperate as names like Graham come off the board and they might be forced into giving up their number two or number three sort of these consensus top names. 16:08.477 --> 16:11.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it just doesn't seem like Wiggins is ready for the big leagues right now. 16:11.700 --> 16:16.886 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, this would be kind of a strange conversation to have, because why would they trade for a picture when they could just call up Wiggins from AAA? 16:17.186 --> 16:27.056 [SPEAKER_00]: But he hasn't looked ready, but does that mean he will get the return that the Cubs want from moving a guy like Wiggins or a guy like Archorn's another example? 16:27.416 --> 16:29.538 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a little bit skeptical that they want to move Archorn. 16:29.558 --> 16:31.700 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's just enough noise with their like super 16:32.381 --> 16:38.844 [SPEAKER_00]: like attached to what he could be, that they'd be more likely to trade Wiggins, especially with his injury history and all his other stuff. 16:38.924 --> 16:44.947 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd still like him as a pitching prospect a lot, but at the same time, kind of a weird fit, but those are the kinds of guys that they would have to give up. 16:45.367 --> 16:49.950 [SPEAKER_00]: And you look at their farm system, like, are they going to move Jefferson or House probably not? 16:50.610 --> 16:55.452 [SPEAKER_00]: Ethan Conrad, I think that they would move, but again, it's not a guy who's at these peak value right now, he's kind of far away. 16:55.573 --> 16:55.733 [SPEAKER_00]: So 16:56.914 --> 17:02.358 [SPEAKER_00]: If the, what things are going to look for at this trade deadline are big league ready talents or close to it. 17:02.899 --> 17:07.982 [SPEAKER_00]: And that means you're going to have to be a double layer AAA to kind of like be the centerpiece of a trade, unless you're just like insane. 17:08.002 --> 17:08.503 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 17:08.523 --> 17:15.548 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, no one's going to turn down a trade for, you know, a top top 10 prospect just because he's only a single layer higher or something like that. 17:15.628 --> 17:25.790 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, if you're going to be kind of operating on the periphery of the top 100 or further, that big league ratings are going to matter a lot because that's a lot of teams want to have a little bit more certainty with their picks as opposed to taking on a bunch of lottery tickets. 17:26.131 --> 17:43.395 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the club's case, again, Wiggins kind of Wiggins in particular makes sense to me as trade because I could certainly see a team that looked at Wiggins even when he was a draft eligible and like being in love with his stuff and wondering if they could like turn him into something special and maybe make it some adjustments and if that's the case if they find a team like that that also has a starter that would help them. 17:43.975 --> 17:44.475 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, why not? 17:45.035 --> 17:53.063 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, I'm putting wagons on the board then and saying, available in exchange for big league ready starting pitching you would think so those are my three so far. 17:53.984 --> 18:01.631 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, scuba, I still think truth serum you hand it to me, strategy to the chair, you know, you hooked me up to the lie detector is you're going to move. 18:01.691 --> 18:02.752 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he is. 18:03.733 --> 18:05.715 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Mason Miller is either. 18:06.095 --> 18:17.623 [SPEAKER_01]: But I actually think it's more likely Mason Miller's traded than Scoople because of AJ Park, Preller at the helm because of how much will a reliever help us get over this 500 hump with all these bad contracts. 18:17.983 --> 18:21.845 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you add bow guards to a Miller trade to lessen the amount you get back. 18:21.865 --> 18:25.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be painful to do for so many reasons and less mandated by ownership. 18:26.348 --> 18:28.630 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's just do the Mason Miller fantasy a little bit. 18:28.970 --> 18:32.333 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I still don't think it's going to happen if it's going to happen. 18:32.473 --> 18:35.575 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be the Yankees who have been rumored. 18:36.196 --> 18:38.938 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just John Hayman saying, the Yankees could really use Mason Miller. 18:39.238 --> 18:40.519 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they definitely could. 18:40.579 --> 18:40.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 18:40.979 --> 18:41.920 [SPEAKER_01]: That would happen. 18:42.060 --> 18:43.281 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be great to happen. 18:43.321 --> 18:45.383 [SPEAKER_01]: But Lombard Jr. is on touchable. 18:45.403 --> 18:47.664 [SPEAKER_01]: And let's even if Lombard Jr. wasn't on touchable. 18:47.965 --> 18:49.446 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably not enough for Mason Miller. 18:50.401 --> 18:57.906 [SPEAKER_01]: The only name I think could get it done is if the pirates wanted to bring Miller home to Pittsburgh. 18:58.726 --> 19:00.227 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got his mother is ailing. 19:00.267 --> 19:02.528 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a new story about that during the All-Star Break. 19:02.749 --> 19:07.191 [SPEAKER_01]: It is horrible, but Mason Miller, you would think would have interest in coming to Pittsburgh. 19:07.491 --> 19:09.613 [SPEAKER_01]: The pirates would have to surrender Seth Hernandez. 19:10.632 --> 19:11.333 [SPEAKER_01]: to get this done. 19:11.533 --> 19:16.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Again, to get, to get done something that isn't even on the table, it's insane even think about. 19:16.819 --> 19:21.384 [SPEAKER_01]: But to get that done, that fantasy, it would have to be sat there in Andes. 19:22.305 --> 19:28.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you, I guess the question here really is, can you name any other viable Mason Miller partnerships where the prospects are, 19:29.133 --> 19:32.855 [SPEAKER_01]: Talented enough to get it done, but actually available. 19:32.875 --> 19:35.836 [SPEAKER_01]: I guess this time last year, we had no idea that Leo DeVries was available. 19:36.316 --> 19:39.557 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, like beyond Seth Hernandez, Mason Miller is there even a connection that can be made? 19:39.577 --> 19:40.478 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels impossible. 19:41.618 --> 19:42.819 [SPEAKER_00]: It feels very hard. 19:43.019 --> 19:44.400 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see a quantity deal. 19:45.060 --> 19:56.905 [SPEAKER_00]: The parts you, you know, unique position where they might have enough young talent that they might be able to put together a package of prospects that could kind of kind of add up to sort of a Mason dollar deal, especially one that's like sane. 19:58.469 --> 20:08.377 [SPEAKER_00]: If the partners are actually one to be saying about Mason though, not the question that you've opposed and is a one of the clear, I don't think they're wanting to be saying, I think that they want to get what they gave up to get it, right? 20:08.897 --> 20:11.279 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think the pirates are going to give up Seth Hernandez. 20:11.620 --> 20:18.485 [SPEAKER_00]: I could see a deal where Edward Forton Tino, maybe Butler Chandler, maybe you kind of put together a crack package like that. 20:18.505 --> 20:22.128 [SPEAKER_00]: If some guys who have big league experience or aren't prospects anymore, plus again, 20:24.730 --> 20:36.935 [SPEAKER_00]: they have other guys a little bit further down the list that could make sense to the the pot race, especially like maybe not some of those drafts this year, but you don't think that the pot race aren't looking at the pirate system and it's like, hey, they took some high school guys in the previous draft. 20:37.295 --> 20:39.876 [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of like him, agent probably won't be able to not look at them. 20:39.896 --> 20:42.136 [SPEAKER_00]: He would, he's physically incapable of doing so. 20:42.537 --> 20:45.178 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that could be, so like again, maybe ever formed to you. 20:45.518 --> 20:48.579 [SPEAKER_00]: I just think that they have zero interest in giving up stuff and I don't blame them at all. 20:49.540 --> 21:07.119 [SPEAKER_00]: Spoilers are I am making an update to the our top 100 prospect rankings that will be coming out Thursday Seth Hernandez features prominently on that list and I think that giving up that kind of guy who has four or five plus pitches Might be something you want to think out you want to be you want to think through before you do and I don't think the virus You're gonna get there 21:07.589 --> 21:17.303 [SPEAKER_01]: Florentino now goes on my list and I also do think the pirates are looking for genuine upgrades whether in the Mason Miller tier or not and he would probably be available in many different kinds of deals. 21:17.604 --> 21:22.631 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to close this out just by, look, we're not laughing at the Aggies, but there is a report. 21:22.651 --> 21:22.852 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm on. 21:23.452 --> 21:23.872 [SPEAKER_01]: We can't. 21:23.952 --> 21:29.234 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there was a report this week that Spencer Jones and Jason Dominguez are players that they plan to use to improve the trade deadlines. 21:29.254 --> 21:30.854 [SPEAKER_01]: Spencer Jones still a prospect. 21:31.235 --> 21:37.177 [SPEAKER_01]: It is now that I have to inform everyone that he did hit an 808 OPS in his second stint with the AKs. 21:37.277 --> 21:37.897 [SPEAKER_01]: He looked better. 21:38.237 --> 21:41.178 [SPEAKER_01]: He looked more like a potential capable major league or the defense is there. 21:41.778 --> 21:48.443 [SPEAKER_01]: like the Joe Gallo Comps or legit, but he has shown more than majorly level already in three weeks and Jason Dominguez has. 21:48.483 --> 21:53.187 [SPEAKER_01]: Jason Dominguez no longer a prospect and there's a ceiling to tap into, but not a prospect. 21:53.207 --> 21:56.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Spencer Jones still a top prospect of flawed one, but still a prospect. 21:56.990 --> 22:03.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's say they're trading these dudes though, who are the best players that these depreciated assets could land the eighties in their trade? 22:03.775 --> 22:07.918 [SPEAKER_01]: Is I kept thinking like San Diego again and like Adrian more home? 22:08.138 --> 22:09.859 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, I mean, obviously not, make some Miller. 22:09.900 --> 22:12.942 [SPEAKER_01]: My brain goes to San Diego because Yankee fans are telling me to think about make some Miller. 22:13.442 --> 22:37.087 [SPEAKER_01]: But, and I'm thinking about catching help like these guys don't make sense in a hundred good men trade these guys don't make sense in a Ryan Jeffers trade really um so I mean for me I do think these are going to have to move Elmer I drew you guys are Carlos La Grande if they're going to make real noise but Spencer Jones is highly available they're yelling it to us and I think he's more likely to get a chance somewhere else after the deadline than in New York so like what can he do for me? 22:38.363 --> 22:44.948 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, for Spencer Jones and Jason Dominguez, I think we have to start thinking the more support pieces in trades that could make sense for teams, but maybe not a centerpiece is. 22:45.208 --> 22:47.290 [SPEAKER_00]: So, maybe not like isolating it to just minor moves. 22:47.690 --> 22:50.633 [SPEAKER_00]: One for one or like one for two with like that being the centerpiece. 22:50.933 --> 22:53.055 [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, it's probably gonna be like a mid or reliever type. 22:53.255 --> 22:56.698 [SPEAKER_00]: This because the shine is, but for example, in the 100, goodman trade example. 22:57.518 --> 23:01.280 [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you have to include, it has to be Elmer Rubbery guys, or Carlos Duggay. 23:01.860 --> 23:05.082 [SPEAKER_00]: You think that cut the Rockies aren't going to be interested in having censor Jones in that stadium? 23:05.362 --> 23:06.202 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would be interested. 23:06.222 --> 23:08.524 [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think that he can be the centerpiece of a deal anymore. 23:08.604 --> 23:10.545 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that those guys have value still. 23:10.885 --> 23:17.088 [SPEAKER_00]: But ultimately, I don't want to like take them too much as like it's either they are printed in these only minor moves. 23:17.528 --> 23:19.748 [SPEAKER_00]: I think they could just be support players in bigger trades. 23:20.049 --> 23:32.931 [SPEAKER_00]: And again, for catching help, maybe for a higher and more reliever, just they can't be the centerpiece anymore, because at the end of the day, there's just like you're chasing the minions, there's an injury stuff, but there's drone strikes out too much, everyone knows that there's no confusion, there's no mystery to it. 23:33.311 --> 23:42.853 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but that doesn't mean that they don't have upsides to them, and maybe there's a team that would be like, okay, we can put them in the place like the second or the third name in this trade, but the first name is going to have to be one of the better guys. 23:43.356 --> 23:48.319 [SPEAKER_01]: especially on the Colorado super fun and Yankees and Rockies love talking so I wouldn't rule that out either. 23:48.620 --> 23:51.902 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll add him to the list and I'll say Rockies question mark. 23:51.982 --> 23:52.302 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 23:52.542 --> 23:53.503 [SPEAKER_01]: Did we forget anyone? 23:53.523 --> 24:04.991 [SPEAKER_01]: We've still got less than two weeks to the trade deadline way and in the comments let us know before we sign off Eric who was hot and who's not in the minor legal level this past week Anthony Hayons and I see is among your risers as we add into the trade deadline big board. 24:05.755 --> 24:15.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of, it was a short week in the minor league, so I won't dwell too long because again small sample size, uh, Kendri Jen, Kendri Torio, uh, high on pitching prospect when five innings struck out ten betters. 24:16.063 --> 24:22.027 [SPEAKER_00]: Any time that you're a part of a good buying no hitter and then includes you striking out two bet, two betters and ending while you're in, you're probably going to get on the list. 24:22.387 --> 24:23.388 [SPEAKER_00]: Anthony Einstein's been interesting. 24:23.408 --> 24:25.730 [SPEAKER_00]: He had a good outing five innings, eight strikeouts. 24:26.190 --> 24:29.073 [SPEAKER_00]: But it has been noted that his velocity has been down since the spring. 24:29.333 --> 24:31.756 [SPEAKER_00]: He's not kind of thrown triple digits constantly anymore. 24:32.136 --> 24:33.978 [SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of a respect to what we thought he would be. 24:34.438 --> 24:38.142 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a name to keep an eye on because if you can still make that work find, there's no issue there. 24:38.202 --> 24:44.869 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think that maybe his ceiling isn't as high as we thought because maintaining the velocity that he had isn't something that he's proven he can be able to do. 24:45.469 --> 24:49.411 [SPEAKER_00]: Last one's Bob, I wish one of the better players in the last year's draft coming out of Auburn. 24:50.192 --> 24:59.597 [SPEAKER_00]: He's been kind of uneven this year, but had a really good week last year, last week hit over 500, you know, had home runs, showed homers, show power, was the overall just a really solid offensive piece. 25:00.117 --> 25:03.879 [SPEAKER_00]: As for followers, I know that we're going to be kind of running out of time, so I won't be dwelling too long here. 25:04.159 --> 25:11.843 [SPEAKER_00]: Mike's roadout only had two hits last week, which frankly for him feels like a terrible slump, but at the end of the day he's probably going to come back and hit 12 or 13 this coming week. 25:12.143 --> 25:20.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Jojo Parker had a very uneven season, really bad start, had a couple of this spike in the late spring, and then again, didn't have particularly good week last week. 25:20.170 --> 25:23.573 [SPEAKER_00]: And River Ryan, can I give it eight or runs in his last start? 25:23.713 --> 25:31.699 [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I knew what that guy was going to be because at the end of the day, I think he's a really talented arm, but that also means that he kind of has to stay healthy and he has to show it. 25:32.060 --> 25:36.363 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's high enough in the broader system where you're like wise in this guy performing the way he should. 25:36.383 --> 25:37.985 [SPEAKER_00]: So those are my three followers from. 25:38.740 --> 25:49.608 [SPEAKER_01]: And the Dodgers are probably going to explore a Ryan trade before they end up having to do what they did with Nick Frasso and just giving away for Seth Alverson, of course, Seth Alverson will be a demon in the Dodgers bullpen by the time he's done a AAA. 25:49.689 --> 25:50.949 [SPEAKER_01]: We all know this, he throws one out too. 25:51.330 --> 25:53.812 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for watching or listening to 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