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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, where do you even start after a series like this?
[SPEAKER_00]: And after really a too much stretch that the podgers have been in.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've fallen all the way back to a game over 500.
[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't that amazing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Team, it was 11 over started 19 and 9.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were a game over 500 holding on for dear life on their way to Dodgers Stadium at this hour where they were open.
[SPEAKER_00]: Before a game of series against the Dodgers on Thursday night at Dodgers Stadium,
[SPEAKER_00]: The wrap-up show there is a ton to react to one of the most concerning parts of today is some of the things that were being said coming out of the game and I'm going to get into that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Over the course of the hour and then of course there's the game itself and it's not just a game it's actually a series and it's not just a series it's actually the last two months and the patrons have found this to themselves and there's a lot of reasons as to why this is playing out in this manner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing explains a 233 loss, but it goes further than a 23 to 3 loss, truthfully when you think about the state that the franchise is in right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So a very precarious spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I completely agree that it is very arguable if the season can be saved or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see, we will see, book is unfinished, but it appears as if the writing is on the wall, so to speak for the podger.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's react to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this game probably ended, trying to thank.
[SPEAKER_00]: 2 p.m. Pacific, so seven or eight hours ago I talked about it for about 90 minutes on the radio today and then we had a World Cup match on 760 and figured a lot of people probably had a lot on their chest, including myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I figured I would talk about it for the next hour full disclosure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was ugly, but it goes well beyond today for me because it's been ugly.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even care about the end score in this, I mean, this is embarrassing, of course it's embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you set a franchise record for largest margin of defeat, that's fucking embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you allow a franchise record eight home months again, that's fucking embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the embarrassment goes beyond today, doesn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the way in which they've played for, now an extended period of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they have that eight and 17 stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: They picked themselves up briefly for four games against Atlanta and LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now they've lost five straight and you put that all together.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what does that 12 and 22 over the last 34 games?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how they've come all the way from 11 up to one game up.
[SPEAKER_00]: On 500, where if they don't split a series of Dodger Stadium and I get the skepticism, I'm splitting a series of Dodger Stadium.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they do anything worse than split a series, a Dodger Stadium, they're going to be under 500 for the first time since they're two and five
[SPEAKER_00]: obviously a lot of baseball to be played, but that doesn't necessarily lead you down in encouraging path either.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a fan of the San Diego Padres and
[SPEAKER_00]: In a 12 and 22 or for less 34 games is probably a bottom five record in the sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that probably has to be to be 10 under over, you know, that's playing what 350 baseball awards over 34 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got a team took Miami running circles for San Diego right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who would have ever thought that was a possibility, but that's just playing out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're going to Dodger Stadium for four.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at these pitching matchups coming up this week in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, um,
[SPEAKER_00]: Concerning is putting it way too lightly and mildly when you look at this pitching matchups now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is baseball, but Man if the podger somehow pick up the pieces right now and when a series of Dodger Stadium that would Certainly be surprising and of course will be covering the entire series for you here on the wrap-up show and tomorrow on Shaford Slua on San Diego Sports 760 but
[SPEAKER_00]: said this yesterday on the radio I said if Walker Bueller is going to be your stopper and you have to win when Walker Bueller starts for you and the year is 2026 you are fundamentally flawed and that's exactly where they are and that's exactly how this played out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's not really the
[SPEAKER_00]: I put the, you know, the microscope towards Pula.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, by and large, he's pitch well for this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, you look at the numbers coming out of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: The numbers aren't good, but he also pitch terribly and, you know, 12, 9, nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this, this was the worst start of Walker Bueller's career.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not the worst start he's had over the last two years.
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst start of his career.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tonight here for Walker Bueller.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it just went from bad to worse, Kyle Hard and then they threw a Doran out there for the second time of the week, which I completely got.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's left out there to just die on the vine, there in the eighth inning, so to speak and allow all those runs and all those home runs in this game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Dan's if he swans and hit five home runs last two days.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dan's if he swans in his 29 RBIs in his last 13 games, how many pictures have 29 RBIs this year?
[SPEAKER_00]: So at part of John, it's conditions and it was warm and the wind is blowing out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but both teams are playing in those conditions and the cops had no issues handling them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the podgers have a lot of issues, obviously, over the course of last three days in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I mean, it's funny because on one hand, you're like, it's the failures of the offense that have made it feel as if at times the pitching has to be near perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then on the other hand, the starting pitching is so bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a net at this point.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's starting pitching ERIs, anything better than 30th and baseball, I want to see who's 30th, if there anything better than 30th, and maybe it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't have those numbers in front of me, maybe someone can chime in with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it cannot be good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I know it's not good, but I can't see how it would be better than 29th or 30th in the sport right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's just no relief anywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's no one, you know, like acting as a stop or giving you six innings, giving you, we're not asking someone to go six scoreless innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're asking someone to go six innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not asking someone to go
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, seven eggs allowed to run their fewer, rest in some of the go 5 and 2 third innings, the last three runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, that's not asking a ton.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, six innings, three runs is a 4.5 year, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's technically a corticode quality start.
[SPEAKER_00]: You should be accomplishing that with some amount of relative ease over the course of a season once you get into it, maybe not the first two weeks the year when guys are getting built up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, there's going to be turns to a rotation or instances where pictures are going six innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's obvious.
[SPEAKER_00]: But to go this long without getting any type of quality starting pitching, and when I say this long,
[SPEAKER_00]: And then to just not address it is, I mean, it feels negligent at this point is how it feels.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: This to me is, like I said, is it the pitching or is it the hitting?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this, you know, chicken egg.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the front office, is the coaching, is the players?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all accountable.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sitting here today having these stupid-ask conversations with people on social media.
[SPEAKER_00]: Talking to some loser telling me that he thinks he knows everything about the San Diego Piders, he has no clue he's talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: But never once have I ever said that
[SPEAKER_00]: like the accountability lay solely at the feet of one player or just the manager or just the general manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or just even ownership.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is top down an attitude that's playing out right now, it really is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, throw the record to the side, like 43 and 42 isn't an act, 43 and 42 isn't if that's even the record.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not historically bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not completely derailed, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to go 55 and 107, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not the team that we have here.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to look at it with context and perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the context and perspective is they invested in this team as if they should be winning at a very high clip.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've just had, they should be among the better teams in the National League over a period of time.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, from from 2020 to 2030, I think if you go back and you think about some of the things that were said about the organization, some of the investments they made, I think if you would have asked most people both.
[SPEAKER_00]: In baseball and fans of the Padres, they would have told you that there was going to be some type of break through year or years in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now nobody was going to care and take any world series, but you would have thought over the course of a decade plus of Manimuchado, a decade plus of Fernando Tauti's junior, five plus years, Joe Musgrove, five plus years, you'd garbage.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, three, four years of Michael King, you get a sigh young at a Blake's now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the list is going on and on and on.
[SPEAKER_00]: At some point, you would have thought you would stumble into a world series appearance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you not over the course of that decade when at one point they were number two in baseball and payroll?
[SPEAKER_00]: when they were consistently making the post-season, and they had a young core that they had built their team around.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yet we look up now, you know, five, six, seven years later, and it is a completely fair question to ask, like, A is the window closed, and B, even looking back on the accomplishments of the last five or six years,
[SPEAKER_00]: did it really live up to your expectations.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you go back to the day, for example, the Manning Machado Sign, the richest deal in Padre's history shit at one point, I think was the richest deal in American sports history for a very brief period of time for a couple of weeks, maybe before Bryce Harper's sign that all of season.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then of course, those deals have been dwarfed by other sports as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Over the course of the last five or six years, but like I've said this often, if you've been watching or listening to me over the time that Manning Machado has been the Padre uniform, I said that,
[SPEAKER_00]: If he does not appear on a world series for the San Diego Padres, you cannot look at that contract as anything other than disappointing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I still feel that way today.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's ultimately destined for the whole of fame.
[SPEAKER_00]: Padres, Ring of Honor, Shihunos, with this organization, I think it would have sat you right outside Pet Go Park for Manimachata, wouldn't surprise me one bit if that played out.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for me, it's sheer disappointment.
[SPEAKER_00]: If we don't get the end result,
[SPEAKER_00]: getting further and further from that possibility.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really does.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and that was an example of, you know, 2026 goes haywire and you get it back on the tracks in 2027.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, but are we convinced of that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Are we convinced that that's going to happen in 2027?
[SPEAKER_00]: Under new ownership?
[SPEAKER_00]: with the same regime, I don't even know if the regime will be, I who knows, I mean, we're getting way ahead of ourselves right now, regarding their future in terms of what it'll look like at the end of the season, how the next 70's something games play out, what the lockout means for the sport and the podries and ownership.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think all the questions are fair, is the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there window closing or closed?
[SPEAKER_00]: Can they recover from this?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a failed exercise to even entertain doing anything other than selling at the deadline?
[SPEAKER_00]: Does selling even get you your desired results?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're selling off middle relievers and you're thinking that all of a sudden your return is gonna be so hefty that you're just running the thing back in 2027 with that, those young acquisitions that you made at the deadline of 26, of course that's foolish that'll never happen in that manner.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could get pieces that could help you in either 27 or 28 or 29.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're kind of screwed either way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cause on one hand, you just keep doing what you've been doing the definition of insanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just keep pushing that boulder up the hill and hoping that you'll get
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, far enough, so to speak, you'll make the postseason here or there, your agent core will give you enough to manufacture 84, 85 wins, maybe you're squeaking into a postseason in a 26 or a 27 or a 28 as a result.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that avenue, there's that path.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's like, how do you get out from underneath some of these deals?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that even possible?
[SPEAKER_00]: how many of these parts can be sold off and how much younger can we get and how much can we build from within and what's the timetable there because you've all been sold that the partners have the best farm system in baseball and wait till you see the level and caliber of prospect in the system and look how it's going to turn over to make it really level.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of that has ever happened folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: None of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The hot talent lava era.
[SPEAKER_00]: was all back filled with free agency and spending to their credit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to their credit, they won because of free agency and spending.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't win because of their system.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, for Nader Tauti's, you know, acquired via trade before you'd ever played professionally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at him as a system player or came up in your system, for example.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jackson Merrill, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, where's the starting pitching?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you had Adrian Moore home, who you acquired obviously for all that money in the international signing period years and years and years ago at one point, and he finally planned out for you in your bullpen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for all of the investment,
[SPEAKER_00]: in the hot talent lava or the initial rebuild under AJ Preller, like not a ton of that turned out the way that people thought that it would and I'm not overly convinced that it would if they try that again and that's under AJ Preller or someone else truthfully and oftentimes when you do that by the way, it's a lengthy process, like baseball roasters are not basketball roasters.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to turn the thing completely over with a young core and immediately win at a high enough level where you're a contender.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at how the Washington Nationals have turned out over the last handful of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's taken forever for that thing to turn over.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just so many examples.
[SPEAKER_00]: Pittsburgh is picked at the top of the draft for 20 years, for 20 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: with very little to show for it, and the list goes on and on over the course of, you know, the history of baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, typically there's kind of two ways to go about it in the sport, you either rebuild or you reload, and I don't know if either, honestly, work for this version of the San Diego Patriots, it's how I feel about it right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
[SPEAKER_00]: it's very frustrating and it doesn't appear as if there's really an end in sight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you've got four in LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: You still have four in Atlanta.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know this swept the brace, but are you gonna do that when you go to Atlanta?
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone you're playing is your equal.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at, it's like you're looking around the room and you're like,
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, what happened to my advantage, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like all of a sudden, everyone in the room is like bigger and stronger than I am.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how did that happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: All of a sudden, but you look at the state of the national league and they're not fully buried, but I mean, they like another 17s have a chance of making the postseason, but by the day those chances are just diminishing,
[SPEAKER_00]: And the way they're playing right now, they give you no hope that they're capable of getting to the postseason this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know if that's accurate or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like some of this is recent see.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know how this works because nobody's talked about the podgeras more of the last decade than myself.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know how quickly people are on and off with the hype.
[SPEAKER_00]: One day, it's the worst team in franchise history.
[SPEAKER_00]: The next day, I told you so.
[SPEAKER_00]: The podgers are back in track.
[SPEAKER_00]: I see each and every day, the reactions and the overreactions, the ramblings and the rants.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by and large, I appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It means the podgers have a really vested passionate fan base.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've sung that phrase for the last handful of years as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But is it really this, what we're watching on field right now,
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like this is actually who they've become, as opposed to that team that they were earlier in the year, where they were just getting by, I mean, they started 19 and 9, and they were beating people through one and two nothing and two one, and you had a closer having a historic start to a season that we don't even see anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: Beaks the podgers and never leading, or even tied in 9th inning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And shit, even when they are, they don't use Mason Miller in the 9th inning, like what played out in Chicago in game one of this series.
[SPEAKER_00]: very, very demoralizing and frustrating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I read some of these quotes coming out of this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here on this, whatever night it is, one day night as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, let me read a couple of things here that I'm just like,
[SPEAKER_00]: like that of concerning to me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there was something the Gavin Sheets quote to me is this one is a head scratcher that takes me inside the clubhouse and inside the psyche a little bit of Sheets and the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: When he's quoted publicly by Kevin A.C. is saying I shouldn't have to say it but we need to turn the intensity up for this next series.
[SPEAKER_00]: He goes on to say obviously we get off the slow starts and the game starts to snowball a little bit But we've got to keep that under control and as a defense not let that unravel and not let it affect the way we play I think unfortunately it did the opposite
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, it is now a little fascinating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, I shouldn't have to say it, but we need to turn the intensity up for this next series.
[SPEAKER_00]: You had everything to play for over the last three days, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're playing a team that was quote-unquote your equal.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're nowhere near Chicago.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago is running circles around you every day of the week, right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: If this series won another four days in Chicago, I don't think the podgers are winning any of those games, truthfully, based on what I've seen.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like,
[SPEAKER_00]: This was always the issue with the Dodger series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you put all your eggs in the Dodger series at home, like your seasons on the line, it wasn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they handed to you.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get your ass kicked against the Dodgers you allow nine runs and knitting.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a pathetic game on Sunday.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they lose that series and then you've got this hangover effect for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why would you have a hangover effect when you're taking on a team?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually more impactful to win a series against Chicago than it is against LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because LA is going to the postseason in one of the division regardless and doing something against the Cubs actually is meaningful in the state of the national league and in the wild car brace.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they fall flat on their face against the Cubs and then say we need to pick up the pieces when we go to the Dodger Stadium against LA.
[SPEAKER_00]: It really does.
[SPEAKER_00]: It makes zero sense and is extremely problematic is what it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now we can't get these last three games back, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Cubs are currently, and they were a hot scene now, they're one of the hottest teams in the sport, if not the hottest team in the sport, that thanks to the podgers.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now it's like, hey guys, let's, let's ride the troops.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to die for seeing for four.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to prove everyone wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to hand it to L.A. We're going to split this series.
[SPEAKER_00]: Give me a break.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are you doing against everyone else?
[SPEAKER_00]: You're 12 and 22 in your last 34 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you think you're saving your season of Dodger Stadium?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I can already see an ally.
[SPEAKER_00]: Manning Machado after the game Sunday if the Padre is on a split of a 4-game series of Dodgers Stadium.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody believed in us, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I look at what we just did here at Dodgers Stadium.
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't do shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's putting a series.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not some unbelievable accomplishment.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, they have to go out and do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They split a series of Dodgers Stadium against L.A.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're still two games under 500 against the Dodgers, and they still be just 1 game over 500 overall.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're looking up in the NL Wildcourt standings.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: It stopped the bleeding momentarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it does.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't put this Dodger team on some pedestal when you're nowhere even near the pedestal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you gotta worry about the marlins who have run circles around you over the last month.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the marlins have...
[SPEAKER_00]: probably made up, but are they 21 and 6 and the last 27 games, something like that, 20 and 6 and the pie drills we know in the last 34 10 games under.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the marlins have picked up slash surpassed the pie drills by 10 plus games over the last 30 days.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like consider that.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Miami.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're talking all anyone wants to talk about the Dodgers series that in the clubhouse and
[SPEAKER_00]: We got to pick up the pieces like when I finished that quote from Gavin, she's this isn't his fault, but I think the point I'm making I think is his values as I think he says we need to get back on track against the Dodgers and write this road trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you should be doing it against everyone else is the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like every other series has more value than the series that you think are the most valuable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you think the season comes down to how you play against the LA Dodgers, I have a news bulletin for you.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does not.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's nothing you can do against the LA Dodgers that will change the fortunes of LA, or likely the podger is either in the second half of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm going to get to the super's the moment you want to think of title sponsor here in the wrap up show that's 25 minutes of me running and truthfully I feel as if I'm kind of just going to start it because I wanted to do the show tonight as much for me as for anyone else, because I just had things I want to get off my chest and I think some of you feel the same way, you got four hundred people here eight hours after a loss, a twenty-run loss, the worst loss in French as history, these people are fed up and pissed and I can completely get it because you should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, if you're not fed up, if you're not frustrated, then you're apathetic towards it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the less than the Pedro's want.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is an apathetic fan base the second half of the year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Patrick was not going to look the exact same way it's looked over the last two or three years of that's the case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as the clock strike 10 p.m. here in San Diego, all right, says I'll say again, is this team competitive?
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you've been watching, I know you have actor because you're a diehard fan, and supporter of the channel, they haven't been by large over the last two months.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just do the math on 19 and 9 to where you are, and from 10 up at 1.11 up to 1 game up, I mean, they played poorly.
[SPEAKER_00]: have they been non-competitive over the course of the last two months?
[SPEAKER_00]: That might be a little bit far where they're not competitive for a handful of these last five games during this losing streak.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're not competitive today.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're never in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, shit, actually, it's four nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jackson, Merrill comes to play with the bases loaded grounds out, but you get the point.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're never in the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: they lost to the Dodgers whatever the score was when they led nine runs and then you're never in that game yesterday let me give you a break you can't fall behind nine three and expect to win any game in the major league stop with this team they've lose that game nine seven but they're not in the game so yeah I do think if you can watch it recently it does feel like they've been non-competitive
[SPEAKER_00]: In general, do I think they're not competitive like 2021, second half, no, I don't think it's yet that bad 12 and 22 over 34 is actually much better when it percentage than whatever the hell they were doing over the final 50 games in 2021, but like they're, they're um,
[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many easy criticisms of this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so simplistic.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could be a complete newbie of a fan and recognize all of the issues at hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are so many of them from the challenges to the making outs on the bases, to their inability to hit with runners in scoring position, to their inability to situationally hit, to
[SPEAKER_00]: some of the bone-headed mental miscues that aren't even errors that they've made here recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's so much more in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's so much more.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was even a play today who watched this play out live.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was before the game was completely over.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like an ending or two.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like,
[SPEAKER_00]: One, nothing, two, nothing, three, and what was three or nothing in a three or a number?
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like three or nothing or four nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a ground ball to zander at short, like in the second inning.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the ball bounces and is fielded like within,
[SPEAKER_00]: Four feet of second base.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a runner at first.
[SPEAKER_00]: He fields the ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: The runner is probably 50 feet from second.
[SPEAKER_00]: He could have taken one and a half steps at stepped on second and he threw across the diamond to first and the ending.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he made the play.
[SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Why would you even consider throwing the ball?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how about Manning Machado early in the series?
[SPEAKER_00]: He feels a ball to the left of second, and then physically tags are on our standing on second base, and then throws to first two steps late because of whatever the Atrix he was doing by tagging the runner that was standing on second base.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are two minor examples, or two examples of honestly a dozen plus in the series
[SPEAKER_00]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: And this time goes back over a period of time where you have Ricky Patalico on a post game show and filled out for the former Philly's Closer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Saying just off the cuff at a post game show that he was doing for the Philly's and had nothing to do with the progress he's watching some of it play out as like,
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something not right with the Padres and their mind is elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you combine what he said, then there was the Dodgers broadcast locally this past weekend, where they're like, how is Redolfo Duran not challenging that?
[SPEAKER_00]: That is way too close not to be challenged in such a big squad.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have everything that we watched this week in Chicago, including the one game that they lost where they turned to make some Miller their late where they're making, you could argue that,
[SPEAKER_00]: Craig Stamman is making mistakes there with his, with his bullpen and ABS mistakes left and right defensive miscuse Miguel and a hard picked off first for an ender to teach junior coach stealing second for me trying to advance from second to third and he's gone down on a like fucking insanity insane stuff to be happening in the major leagues I think this is accurate I'm not 46 this is gone back like 30 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm pretty sure I was on my freshman baseball team at Lower Marion, and Lower Marion was like the worst baseball team ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: My high school was like the worst high school baseball team ever, but we were doing some of the same shift that they were doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No joke.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the mistakes that the bunch was making right now at the major league level are the mistakes that were mistakes and recognizable at Lower Marion in 1996.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the podgers are making some of those mistakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I kid you not, I'm not, that is not going too far.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you played high school baseball, if you played division three baseball, if you've watched college baseball, and certainly if you've been a fan of major league baseball, you recognize some of the stuff that the podgers are doing right now is head scratchingly bad and did not happen under Mike Schill.
[SPEAKER_00]: To this extent,
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sitting here telling you that Mike Schildes, you know, Bobby Cox or Joe Torrey or Shit Dave Roberts to be honest with you, the winning is manager now in baseball history by winning percentage and the fastest, I think, to a thousand wins.
[SPEAKER_00]: But she's, it does feel like there's a big difference in terms of
[SPEAKER_00]: The identity of the Pilgrimage is in 2026 as opposed to 2024 and 25.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm not putting it all on Craig Stamman.
[SPEAKER_00]: Craig Stamman didn't hire himself.
[SPEAKER_00]: First time, not just first time managers, you've heard me said, first time coach, first time on a coaching staff and hoisted into the manager position.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're asking a ton of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not probably reasonable.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's on AJ Preller.
[SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the day, along with a number of other things that are playing out with this roster.
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, a lot of that is on that AJ Perler.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, a lot of it is also on these players for their performances on the field each and every day.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't solely put it on the front office.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have to put some of this on the players who have underperformed by and large as a group.
[SPEAKER_00]: Significantly, honestly, significantly underperformed in 2020-26.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says just playing GM I would try and see if San Francisco trade Devours for Boge straight up and you know this has been discussed here on the rap book shown and elsewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe shared Miller for Scooble and Simon Long term thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, I love like
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Hail Mary, Blackbuster, Sexy moves in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just do, I always have.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the one thing I've kind of appreciated about the Potter's Brass over the last six or seven years.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're always entertaining.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's always interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Potter's fans have clamored for it to some extent too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we're maybe at the point where it's like, maybe you might want to do the opposite.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you might want to do the smarter thing now.
[SPEAKER_00]: like you might want to think about, like do we need to go get in bed with a 30 year old coffee divers who's owed a $1,000,000, who's run two organizations into the ground or do we need to like sell off parts and have a good scouting and development department and bring the right players back in those deals and develop them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a lot different than going out of getting coffee divers and then hitching your wagon of hemp for the next handful of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or all of a sudden you're going to fundamentally
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, change the direction of everything you did over the last 12 months and try to make some Miller after you gave up Leo de Vries for Miller and you're going to do it in an effort to sign Terry Scoobal long term for $500 million.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like is that smart or is that sexy?
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, there is no scuba l extension the day he's traded, I would assume.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now there may be a team or two that trades for him that has the ability or the pockets to extend him, Los Angeles, New York.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't even think those teams would have the assurance from day one that he would be
[SPEAKER_00]: extended.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no interest in schoolable for Miller because I don't think schoolable would be in San Diego beyond two months, honestly, because I don't think with these payroll issues and with whatever's coming down the pipeline with majorly baseball with any type of like cost controller, any type of of cab.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see how school was going to fit into that conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to do the podgers need a front-line starting picture.
[SPEAKER_00]: You better believe they do.
[SPEAKER_00]: They need a lot more than that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you could stack your fingers and put through a school on the team, you'd put them on all 30 of the teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's probably overly simplistic.
[SPEAKER_00]: So
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, again, is it sick, sexy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it appealing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Could you envision it by snapping fingers?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what I snap my fingers right now to ever for bogie, yeah, 100%.
[SPEAKER_00]: What I snap my fingers and put scuba on this team without knowing the repercussions or the consequences of it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure, everyone would.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: But think about the, again, the repercussions.
[SPEAKER_00]: You trade for devours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Devours has,
[SPEAKER_00]: ran these teams into the ground, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: You trade for school?
[SPEAKER_00]: He's out the door in two months and you're the six-seed playing a replay of series against the cubs in Chicago.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like these are very risky propositions.
[SPEAKER_00]: that are being proposed, which I'm all for, I'm all for proposing.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I think they're probably far-fetched at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For the super chassis said, where was the fire from Stamon?
[SPEAKER_00]: This clubhouse lots of BS calls and sloppy gameplay.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't be objective from the stands.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm punched in the glove, should have been auto-out.
[SPEAKER_00]: This team is embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, their play has been embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their play has been embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, they themselves should be embarrassed in their play.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something called saying that, essentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think like Maddie said, we got our ass spanked.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to find some of these quotes from Kevin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kevin she'd says it's been sloppy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said one thing that we've done all year extremely well with the small things, stuff that we can fully control.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't disagree more with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says the defense, the hustle, all that stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like it kind of snowballed this series, especially maybe a little bit of the last series toward the end.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happens against good teams if you don't bring it, you're going to get buried.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's admitting, because that's not two quotes I've read to you guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is acknowledging, they didn't bring it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he is saying that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not just saying the result turned out poorly.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying we didn't bring what was necessary to put ourselves in a position of when these games.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who's that on?
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it goes to this coaching staff.
[SPEAKER_00]: This coaching staff is a lot of the accountability.
[SPEAKER_00]: These players have a lot of the accountability.
[SPEAKER_00]: This front office has a lot of the accountability.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't change it all over though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what are we going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't hit reset.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a video game.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't start over and change your uniform colors and pick your team and pick your coaching staff and pick your front office.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not how it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're going to get change.
[SPEAKER_00]: both in the second half of this year and in the off season, because change is inevitable in professional sports.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're not going to get every desire change, obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to get some change.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, they're play this week has been embarrassing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they would admit, they would admit that.
[SPEAKER_00]: A typhrance, we're just not playing good baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't point at one thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're just playing bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all there is to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who are we blaming though?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, some of that, I go all over the place with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I point one area and then I want to point it to the next, but like, the more I talk through tonight, the more I really want to blame not just Craig Stamming, Stamming, but his coaching staff.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't feel like this team is positioned to win for whatever reason.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, that's, again, that's like unforgivable, truthfully, at this level.
[SPEAKER_00]: A glitterated bomb, thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: For the super, it says the only good thing about the podger sucking is batting against them.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait for these next four days loading up on daggers picks for you, money.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, baseball isn't obviously that easy and it can and will change.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody expected the podgers to sweep the braves.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no one they came back with their tails between their legs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They lost that series to the rangers and then all of a sudden they sweep the braves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that doesn't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they win game one against the Dodgers roll.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really easy on Friday, right, 71.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now you're like, I mean, there are people in here right now, one week ago today, or even more recently than that, when was that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Last Friday night.
[SPEAKER_00]: when the podgers beat the Dodgers at Peca last Friday night, what's today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, five days ago, how many hours is it?
[SPEAKER_00]: 120 hours ago, we're all sitting here, celebrating the 4-game Win extra in the podgers against Atlanta and LA, who wasn't?
[SPEAKER_00]: How many people were like, I don't believe in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's full's gold, trust me.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna lose their next five games and they'll have 55 runs, the most runs in franchise history of our 5-game stretch or whatever it is, 54 runs.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not gonna win any of the next five games.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're being dishonest if that was your true feelings five days ago, and I think change.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it is easy to go down the path of like this teammate aid, and they need to do what's best for the organization at the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they shouldn't try to be someone that they're not and chase something that doesn't exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like your chasing ghost potentially.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's on them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I would say for anyone that's like, sees an over or pod or you have to sell.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of people that say that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can completely understand it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get the immediate reaction.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just see where they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: July 29th.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they are who everyone says they are and they fall five games under and they're six games out of a plus but they'll sell.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that could be adding Terri Scooble and Joe Ryan and a role this chairman and sonny Gray if there's six games under 500 and they're not foolish.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not moronic.
[SPEAKER_00]: They get the tweets, they understand the task of the hand.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they somehow pick up some pieces and launch a live 29th, they've gone from one game over to five games over and their one game off and a playoff spot or two games up or one game out, it's all about where you are when you need to make a decision.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, data points.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they'll wait that off I would think now I don't think you can wait off your rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the problem like by waiting off the rotation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you're taking on water So how long can you take on water before you sink?
[SPEAKER_00]: I could argue they've already taken on too much water and a lot of people here could all you the exact same thing So that would be my concern with waiting until July 29 like
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not boxing, you're not say by the bell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is the low point of the season, that argument.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no such thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can always get worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bad teams are bad and they keep getting worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you keep losing two out of every three games, your record only worsens.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you only fall further below 500 in that scenario.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if they can somehow keep their head of flow, that's not for me to really determine.
[SPEAKER_00]: then probably maybe can make some addition.
[SPEAKER_00]: If they can't keep their head afloat, and again, some of it might be, well, can you really keep your head afloat if you're not giving something to this roster right now?
[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, would you add to it right now, even if you could, if you were a pro, they're like, hmm, we're 12 and 22 and our last 34 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our rotation is arguably the worst of the sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have no clue if Nick Peveta is coming back this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I'm not counting on Joe Musgrove.
[SPEAKER_00]: Our offense, albeit improved for the last three weeks, remains as bad as it gets in the sport.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I kind of understand also not adding right now, even if you could.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think what you want to do, I want to say, I think if your prowler hears what you want to do,
[SPEAKER_00]: You throw your teammates to the deep end and see if they can sink or swim.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they probably have already done that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he throws teammates to the deep end with the decisions he made in the offseason and the roster that's put together right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, teams in the deep end, no life raft.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you think, or can you swim?
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they somehow get to July 30th, and the trade deadline this year is August 3rd, but you get there and like, shit, they showed us something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, JPCR is that four quality starts not happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is so ridiculous, even consider.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Randy Vasquez turns it around after, you know, seven consecutive bad starts or Michael King, by the way, has not been good, like in his last seven starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had one really good start, but by and large hasn't been good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're asking a lot of a team for the next month to just be like, survived the next month.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you do, I will help.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you don't,
[SPEAKER_00]: then we're looking at 2027.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be fascinating, honestly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And not necessarily in a good way, but I think in the true definition of the word fascinating, because it will be interesting to see how they play it, so to speak, in the days and weeks ahead.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, guys, if you are here, by the way, thank you for supporting the channel, year-round coverage.
[SPEAKER_00]: for Padre's and baseball fans, Padre's and Padre's and Padre's coming up Thursday night at Dodger Stadium kicking off a four game series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In watching that, the highlight back, and I'm far from diehard soccer fan that looked
[SPEAKER_00]: that looked ridiculous and then it's it can't be like a peeler like this that whole situation is bizarre that thing is bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think baseball has is nuanced and ridiculous at times world soccer is I don't know that I don't know how to explain that.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Otani, of course, more than half-single.
[SPEAKER_00]: Podger's got bets, kind of going, who's pitching for the Podger's over the next four days?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's nothing good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's see, what are these pitching matchups?
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, like, these have to be like, so lopsided.
[SPEAKER_00]: Randy Vasquez, Roki Suzuki.
[SPEAKER_00]: Michael King, Shohail Otani.
[SPEAKER_00]: Griffin, Canon, Yoshin, Ouyama, Moto.
[SPEAKER_00]: J.P. Sears, Emma, Chin.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's what you have coming up, but Vaskas was throwing meatballs against the Dodgers the last time we saw him.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if that can be rectified.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust that it can, so I'll take bets over a half home run.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Machado sure, why not over a half home run.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like the only thing he will do occasionally is do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And who else, I mean, I can trust
[SPEAKER_00]: Like a Samad Taylor for a half a hit, plus a run, plus RBI or Tati for one and a half hits, plus run, plus RBI.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you've been good enough for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look at the way this would pay for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: $10 pays $6.90, let's flex it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we can still win $400.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super chatty says you can tell me it bats.
[SPEAKER_00]: Podger's players give up time after time.
[SPEAKER_00]: The locker room is toxic with zero accountability.
[SPEAKER_00]: probably should have been fired long ago.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what's going on in the club.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I have no idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you might be right or you may not because it's kind of hard to to confirm whether that's accurate or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: A stamina submission thing to say post game today.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played the two or so minutes of audio that he had with the media after the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know they didn't play this on podgers.tv, but we did have it for you today.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: He made an interesting comment about like, the last thing you can do right now is start to point on paraphrasing, but start to point fingers because then you'll have like no hope.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what it's interesting, you're saying that because you're basically leading me down a path where you're saying a possibility is the team starts to turn on itself.
[SPEAKER_00]: So again,
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that something that would happen under Mike Schill?
[SPEAKER_00]: The veteran manager that came up in the Cardinals organization that took the Cardinals and the podgers to like five consecutive playoff appearances during his time as a major league manager.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a fair question to ask.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Craig's stamina is publicly acknowledging that like, when the going gets tough, it can get really tough on a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: So who are key players, so to speak, I'm not just telling my players, but like who make sure everything you know what's in check?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it stemming?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it machado?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's kind of comical.
[SPEAKER_00]: Based on some of his historic quotes, with the podgers, is it Gavin Sheets?
[SPEAKER_00]: When the going is tough, and it has gotten very tough, who are the Padre's turning to internally to help rectify what's playing out?
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a fair observation from the superhero from my mom forever, because I don't really have to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they don't have
[SPEAKER_00]: The personalities are the DNA or the individuals or the culture to dig themselves out of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, you're going to need that and then some.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, cultural alone is not going to save you when your pitching staff is allowing eight home runs in a game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or cultural alone is not going to save you when your defense has lapses in the field each and every game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or when your catchers aren't properly using ABS challenges or your position players are in either when they're at the plate.
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, the bare minimum is to make sure you have the right group of individuals in that clubhouse when things are not going well to make sure that there is a possibility of getting out of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the bare minimum.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even know where they are in that area as an organization or as a team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Richard, what's going on, man?
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for your support.
[SPEAKER_00]: The channel, touch your fan of a long time supporter.
[SPEAKER_00]: of the wrap-up choices as an outsider, I see this too many times pushing your chips all in at the deadline and once again too much emotion spent on the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think some of all of it is probably true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's hard to disagree with the overall points.
[SPEAKER_00]: Paggers have won off seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they've hoisted trophies in off seasons.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've hoisted trophies that trade deadlines.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've had very successful on paper moments.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have one headlines.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've had great marketing moments for the franchise.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have spent in free agency.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have acquired big names via trade, one soda, like snail, mason Miller, all come to mind.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what does it add it up to?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, 2022 in the NLCS was a real accomplishment, it was, I don't think you could discount that accomplishment.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a significant one.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a disappointing finish if you, you know, remember the series or the way that series played out specifically the three games.
[SPEAKER_00]: In Philadelphia, I thought 2024, there was final 60 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really, really good time to be a pottery fan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you truly believed in real time that that team was it, they were incredibly good.
[SPEAKER_00]: over the final 60 games the year when they went 43 and 19, they mowed down at Lanna.
[SPEAKER_00]: They led that series to one until they didn't, and that's how the season came to an end to his later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Against the Dodgers, that was so demoralizing and disappointing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We said in real time, and I'm saying it in that two years later, was that the moment?
[SPEAKER_00]: that they failed to capitalize on that was their wanted true moment to win a world series in this era of Audrey's baseball.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's completely fair to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: So my point is yes, they have push chips in and yes, sometimes it hasn't worked out.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they've also had 2022 and 2024, which were good teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the 2020-2014 and the second half was great.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really did.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it didn't pan out and then they had that musculoskelet injury and we haven't seen them Since that moment, but interesting observations and honestly I think probably fair observations there For mature Jonathan appreciate you man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much for hanging out and supporting the channel and again guys if you're here Subscribe and if you're here, thank you for the super chat some get to them all right now So get a man click that dollars on Below the chat box.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says love standing but time to stop trying to be a friend and start demanding better There needs to be a come to Jesus moment whatever that looks like
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's such a weird spot to be, and is it not guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, can we not all relate to, no, let's say, I think most people have a group of like high school friends.
[SPEAKER_00]: You got a group of two, three, four, five, six, seven guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're a guy in the chat or maybe, you know, whatever you have, you know, friends, whatever it is, guy or gal, you got your friends, you grow up with, maybe it's high school, maybe it's college, whatever, from home.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you have a certain report and relationship with these, these individuals, your friends, because you're all in the same level, you all experienced it together.
[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter if 20 years later, one of you is the CEO of Fortune 500 company, the other one of you is a truck driver, you all still can go back to that time in 11th grade when you stayed out late or whatever, right, or have a sleepover.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and you're all on a level playing field.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's going to be like, this guy's going to be league us now, 20 years later.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you guys grew up together.
[SPEAKER_00]: You remain boys, but what happens when that dichotomy changes and that six person friend group, all of a sudden there's five of you that are still that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we grew up together and then the sixth, you all now work for.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a little odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: because the dynamic has changed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a very odd situation to be placed in as an app.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like my high school buddies, I still just see as my high school buddies.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm 46 years old, but I don't look at that many differently based on where their careers or lives have taken them.
[SPEAKER_00]: My friends in LA and
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a body that's in London that I think nothing of it, you know, and people that have been very successful financially or others that have not, or some with large families, some that don't have kids, some that are married, some that are saying it doesn't even matter, because all that matters is your life experiences growing up together, but when that dynamic shift, and that's my point with stamina and this team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Stamon was one of them, four years.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a tenured Padre, played a long side, man in Machado and Fernanda taught these junior.
[SPEAKER_00]: What's interesting in that relationship is he actually, of course, is never the equal of Machado or taught these or that caliber of player on this team, because he was a bit of a lever and they were stars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he had a successful Major League career.
[SPEAKER_00]: No doubt.
[SPEAKER_00]: He did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had a successful Major League career because he stuck around for the better part of the decade and a half.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they are into the different rate.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, like,
[SPEAKER_00]: your boy who you're on the plane rides with and your plane poker with and you're shooting the shit with, you now report to the side.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just is.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way to get around that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not correct, Stan, it's fault that it's odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the podger's fault that it's odd.
[SPEAKER_00]: They put correct, Stan, and in that spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't envy it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, if I was asked all of a sudden to go from, like, just a friend in my friend group to in charge of my friend group, no thanks.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not taking that job.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The relationships to me are more important than whatever I'm being asked to do by some organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder if there's any part of that that's playing out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if there's any part of that that's playing out right now with this club.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan following up by saying that not playing smart, lack of mental discipline that needs to be the focus.
[SPEAKER_00]: I completely agree.
[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just sit here and I could be doing two things at once.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could be, you know, making dinner, which is rare, maybe doing dishes, which is not rare, or, you know, sitting on the couch with my son and, and I'm watching and I'm interacting.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I look up and I see something and I'm like, what is that?
[SPEAKER_00]: What did I just watch?
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like still talking to television.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like I immediately knowledge it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And like this is happening with such regularity that again, I know that this one, I don't think it's a resency bias.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't happening like this in 2025 and 2024.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, shit, there've been some other bad teams.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it probably was happening in 2023.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it was happening in 2021 to some extent that these things were happening.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it just feels like,
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like this isn't really like a talent conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's more of like an underperformance conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then just like not being prepared were like accountable and lacking focus and energy.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a combination of just like, they don't have any identity and it's very evident and noticeable right now and frustrating and inexcusable truthfully, all that it wants.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I kind of wonder if he is, Alicia, thank you for a weighing in and chiming in.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny because I was a little critical there of sheets, but what I'm noticing in and some minor actions of Kevin AC, I think would suggest this as well, whether it's here, Padre's Collective, Schaefer and Sleaw on San Diego Sports 760.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think sheets has taken on a leadership role.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it doesn't have the same tenure or career accomplishments of other players on this team, including Manning Machata.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just see him as more of a player that others resonate to and I do see some of the things that he says.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do feel like with some of those courts to Kevin, maybe he's saying it.
[SPEAKER_00]: to get a rise out of his teammates, not a rise like Lewis or I was like, A rise out of his teammates like guys now or never and like no one else is holding you accountable.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to do it through the media and I'm going to speak the truth and like this isn't good enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: In fact, this is nowhere near good enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the opposite of good enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, I do think he is one of the leaders, but
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how the leadership structure works with them specifically because again, you'd think that a lot of the points towards Machado, which I think and I have said for years, is very problematic based on who he is, I think, off the field and what he says the media and just
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything about his persona, there's some good things in that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Manning on field, when going well, is one of the, you know, one of the better players to sport, when things are going well.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been a two-way player.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a very good defender.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'm talking about his career.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can hit, hit for average, hit for power in his career.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I'm talking about.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't know about everything else that surrounds the Mani.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what about when it's not going well for Mani, which has been all too often obviously in Apajra's uniform and here recently and he's days away from turning 34 and it doesn't feel like it's about to just completely turn.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's hit for power, he's hit a little bit better, but come on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can't excuse his overall play so far this year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see her Jason appreciate you man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for the super says Williamsport type.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey showed up at really this afternoon Poor player flex management.
[SPEAKER_00]: I get to see she's calling out the leadership.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mate.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see maybe that is the way to look at the sheets comments and that's what I was just saying in Alicia super chat and
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a little critical of not necessarily sheets, but more like the team, when you have to say, like, where was that quote?
[SPEAKER_00]: When he has to say, I shouldn't have to say, but we need to turn the intensity up for this next series.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is him taking out a leadership role, I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I credit him for saying the silent part out loud.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, guys, you can't go through the motions
[SPEAKER_00]: against anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking about against bad teams, let alone the better team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Chicago is playing like a better team.
[SPEAKER_00]: L.A. is the best team.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't go through the motions and expect anything other than what you've gotten here over the last month, plus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, shit, it did look like we were watching games and games for over the last couple of days.
[SPEAKER_00]: That ball was jumping.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it wasn't necessarily jumping for the pageries.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the same clip as it was for the Cubs who hit what 13 homerons, 13 homerons, the last two games.
[SPEAKER_00]: And don't tell me that's solely based on the conditions.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also based on the pageries pitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, and they're starting pitching, specifically.
[SPEAKER_00]: obliterated bomb.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, honestly, though, what did we think getting rid of the manager who brought back to about 90 wins and ruled with an iron fist, offense wise, missing shilt?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, in real time, I think it was easy to poke fun or pick on Mike's shilt, so to speak, but
[SPEAKER_00]: He did get the desired result for Podger's fans and for the organization, which was, he got the team to the postseason.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had 90 winch, they had, you know, pretty good regular season, triffle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's not like they can play out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, they did basically fall flat on the face in the postseason those two years.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the one thing you can say about show he has never had that great postseason run as a manager or either St. Louis or San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, yes, he had the Atlanta sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then blue to 21 series lead against the Dodgers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he managed that series very poorly.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could go back and watch their shows still two years later.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was very critical of Mike Schilt.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then last year, I forgot what happened in game one in game three.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know that they had a zillion opportunities to win both of those games and didn't.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I forget how much of that was on Schilt, if any.
[SPEAKER_00]: All things being equal is this team in the success and spot of my skills managing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could argue they're not.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could argue they're in a better spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could, I don't know how much better, but you could certainly argue that they'd be better in the margins of the margins matter for team like San Diego and even another winner two or three.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of the season, when they could be a winner two or three, or more out of the postseason, could matter, could.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if it does or not.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll know that answer in three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve appreciate you, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, why don't we get the feeling we're not at rock bottom?
[SPEAKER_00]: that is a point that is worth making that I do want to discuss for a few minutes coming up on the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to do that in a moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me get back to the super from Steve.
[SPEAKER_00]: We have time for more by the way, we've been here in an hour, but what's time when the podges a lot of 23 runs a franchise record and was it a franchise record for runs allowed?
[SPEAKER_00]: It was the franchise record for largest margin of defeat and most home runs allowed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have they allowed more than 23 runs in the game?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what are we even talking about?
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, like we've reached a point in baseball with the position players pitching that like just mercy real the thing But I get why they don't because people buy a ticket and they want to see a full baseball game But man that was tough to watch for like the second inning on or the third inning on here today The rock bottom thing man is a fascinating conversation.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I did this show every single late in 2021 how many times did we say that have they hit rock bottom?
[SPEAKER_00]: like the entire second half and it's just kept getting worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they were historically bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was so bad.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pathetic the way they played in the second half of 2021. Who remembers the second half of 2019 under Andy Green when they played so shitty, they got him fired.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just ran the whole thing into the ground in Machado this first year.
[SPEAKER_00]: Who remembers 2023?
[SPEAKER_00]: Before September, I mean, at one point, they were what 10, 12 games under 500.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they at one point were 10, 12 games on their 500.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they were never it until it was way late.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and they went up his games as a September, which had, you know, had nothing to do with their season obviously.
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, that's the problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we don't know when you hit rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not full ball where it's like, you have four games left.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what's going to happen?
[SPEAKER_00]: You go home for like, okay, who cares?
[SPEAKER_00]: like they have 70 something games left.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you lose every series and they're not going to, but if you, you know, if you're consistently losing series, it can feel a lot worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you keep losing two out of every three games and they're performing at that clip over the last 35 games.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you're gonna sync for six, eight games under 500.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're gonna do it in relatively quick fashion and there'll still be baseball to be played on the other side.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one thing about baseball,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's it is the ultimate grind of a sport and like nothing's going to save you it feels Minoteness and it feels like well, just a nice summer day where we're going to play nine in and it's like There's nothing that's going to save save you like when you're bad you it can be really bad and when you're good it can be really good when you're bad
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to salvage.
[SPEAKER_00]: It can be really hard to turn around and maybe we're experiencing that right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if this were to continue by the way, if like just hypothetically speaking, if this is who they are, which a number of you think that is what it is, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: If this is who they are and you think this is who they are, then we're just getting started folks.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's three months remaining the season.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's July 1st.
[SPEAKER_00]: season ends like the last day of September, you know, second or third to last day of September, they have three months of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, you can get a lot worse.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the point, like if you think it's a bad team, that bad teams aren't going to finish 80 to 80.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know what I mean, that's not a great team, but like bad teams are going to go 70 and 92.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you think this is a bad team and if you think this is 2021, then they're going to end up with 70 something went and they're going to end up 810 to 1214 games under 500.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if that if you're right or not, we'll know the answer that in three months.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I agree with the general point there from Steve that yeah, I mean, I almost I'm hopeful it's rock bottom, but that doesn't mean anywhere near rock bottom.
[SPEAKER_00]: Kate and thank you, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: It says, do we have more good relief arms to triple eye thinking of Jacob and Gillespie?
[SPEAKER_00]: Could we go to the bullpen often and bring them options might make it hard?
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I feel like where they've gotten cute with the opener has not really had much value if any over the course of the last few weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always going to be
[SPEAKER_00]: There's always going to be a problem with some of these like hokey strategies, one of which is you have one fewer reliever for the rest of that game that is started by an opener.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the issue with what they've done with their openers as well as it hasn't saved their starting pitching.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the strategy's been like, well, if, you know, if like just name the starting pitcher here recently, if Lucas Gielito, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he's not going to face one, two, and three more than two times.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't even matter though.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about facing one, two, and three for Griffin Canon and JPCers and Randy Vasquez and whomever else right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, there's just not pitching effectively.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like you can't hide that starting pitching is my point.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think there's any way to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't hide it by having a bullpen day every series.
[SPEAKER_00]: There have been teams that have attempted to do such things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the podries do have a strong bullpen that's clearly
[SPEAKER_00]: and you are tempted to use a strength as an opener and get a scoreless ending and then turn things over to a starter, which now the sun may be as to throw one less inning or
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, to face the heart of a lineup one fewer times over the course of a game, but like I just think it's too cute and I don't think it really is a long term strategy of success.
[SPEAKER_00]: Would you have success with an opener?
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyone given game?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, can you consistently have success with the openers and shot he's starting pitching that you're trying to hide?
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and can you have?
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your season relying more heavily on your bullpen, it's typically been a bad strategy in modern baseball where you try to get more out to me or relievers than you get from your starters, like you're wearing your bullpen, it's in.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not what you want to do when you want to rely heavily on your bullpen when you're in again, you can win.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an odd dichotomy that
[SPEAKER_00]: the podries find themselves in, where you've got this true strength in the back end, but you can't get it to a back end.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because of your starting pitching, and then you're asking your bullpen to cover middle innings, and you're just asking too much, honestly, especially with this stretch during right now, 17 games and 17 days, they're asking way too much of their bullpen.
[SPEAKER_00]: And only use one reliever today because they trail by 20 wrongs and they use the position blayer in the ran,
[SPEAKER_00]: by and large they've asked too much of their bullpen and it hasn't worked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jonathan, thank you again, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, who is the guy that puts a boot in the ass?
[SPEAKER_00]: It can be a player or coach, hard when that player is underperforming, but his leadership skills, Manning, Merrill, need a, oh, a nevin plus gore unknown coach.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, sports changed over the last 20 or 30 years as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's not as much like table flipping,
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, it's just different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think athletes are probably different.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think coaches are different than when they played.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do they need some type of like asked chewing or some type of player's meeting?
[SPEAKER_00]: They've had it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you, if Kevin A.C. was with me right now, he would tell you, they have met privately as a team without the coaches.
[SPEAKER_00]: The coaches have had, they've had meetings with the players.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's not like there are any something games in.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, you know, should we entertain,
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, X, Y, or Z. I think they've entertained all of it would be my guess now has the message got across the answers.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, just like that last year with Bob Melvin, it's like I think he tried a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he tried a bit of everything and none of the messaging was resonating.
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you still want to put that in my mouth and that's fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you want to put on the team.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you want to put on a propeller, all of it's fair is my point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the funny thing is we always want to have a spot to point the blame to.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like everyone wants a motive for a crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody likes random crime.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not really like Scrimm in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe by large.
[SPEAKER_00]: But typically you want to know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the same thing is true in sports because you want to, you want to find the right person that needs to be held accountable and you want to get that part out, but then you want to continue on the path with everything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you want to be able to recognize.
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, if it's a parlor kit, we're to parlor.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's correct, dammit, get rid of stamina.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a man in Machado, get rid of Machado, easier said than done.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like move forward, the problem is, it clearly hasn't been that simple.
[SPEAKER_00]: And also that's hard to execute on without wholesale change within an organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: But nobody truly knows.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the line I've used for for 10 years in San Diego.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how many looks does it take to get to the Titsi roll center of a Titsi pop, the world may never know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody knows where the the blame truly lies.
[SPEAKER_00]: It lies at all of their feet, like there's no denying that, but where is the lion's share of blame lie?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to fully pinpoint, and you could easily make arguments that's it's age or proler.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's ownership after Peter's either.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the coaching staff right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's this
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Rubenie Abla, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Steven Suez.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can go anywhere you want with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy to point blame or cast blame or point fingers.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's another thing to actually recognize who is accountable or responsible for the failures.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think sadly, again, people want an answer where the truth is, it's like, there isn't a singular answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes it even harder because there are so many accountable for this mess, it makes it harder to clean up.
[SPEAKER_00]: If it was one bad apple, take that piece out and move along with your dad and your season.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not the situation that they're dealing with, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is going to be hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: to ultimately rectify whether that's the second half of 2026 with the contracts in 2027 and beyond with the state of their farm system with the direction they want to go with the trade deadline.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have looming large questions that don't have easy answers, unfortunately.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's troubling.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really troubling right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's troubling time.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it is for the organization, for podgers fans,
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone that spends as much time in money on the podresses as we all do, like nobody signed up for this.
[SPEAKER_00]: And while we recognize the window is closing, heading into 2026, or it felt like you'll apply better situated in 2020 and 2022 and 2024, nobody, I say nobody.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of people thought it would play out in this exact manner, and that they were actually in serious jeopardy of finishing like under 500, and not even contending for a plow spot and actually being a seller
[SPEAKER_00]: That didn't, you know, we just figured because they've been in the postseason for the last six years, and they had 90 plus wins the last two years, they would find a way, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: But to be truly out of it by the trade deadline after a 19 to nine start, would be really damning.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know, 2021, well, where they 61 and 43, that's insane.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or hundreds of something games into the year, they're 18 games over 500.
[SPEAKER_00]: They finished under 500 that year.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they were 104 games into three year, whatever it was, 103, 105, some ridiculous number, and they still finished under 500.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not linear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody has all of the answers.
[SPEAKER_00]: We may think we have all the answers or even some of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think it's fair sometimes to acknowledge that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we don't have all of the answers.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we have some of them, and I think unfortunately the answers aren't what anyone wants to hear,
[SPEAKER_00]: it's going to be tough, it's going to be tough to turn this thing around, both right now and into the future.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, maybe Jose Feliciano and his wife are able to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they invest in a, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: different way.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe their philosophy is fundamentally different from what the podgers have done over the last couple of years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they do change the leadership of the organization.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe they do have grand plans that can rectify this sooner rather than later, or maybe they want to play the slow game because they just, you know, bought an asset that's valued $4 billion and they were going to be in it for the long term and they want to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And a particular matter that sets them up for success, even if it's not right now, but 24 months from now or 36 months from now.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's more sustained over a four or five year period.
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I think it's not like this has been completely like non sustained.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if that's boring, but like teams have been good enough for a number of years now they're not right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could enough, but they've been good.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we all watched last couple years.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: You saw a 2020, too.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the teams sustain success and now they're just holding on for dear live.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a couple of strategies here.
[SPEAKER_00]: You strip it down to the studs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you do that with these not, you know, un- the immovable contracts?
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there's ways to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can strip it down.
[SPEAKER_00]: go at it through your system and develop from within and hope that it pays dividends within two or three years or you can keep investing at a high level at Major League talent via free agency, via trade, pull from within your system.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's multiple ways to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if any of them are going to be effective or not for the podger's, the short term or the medium term.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm fascinated to see if they will be.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna find out altogether.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't even know what to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: The funny thing is we just did 80 minutes or whatever 75 or 80 minutes on this game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what to say about the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's nothing to say about the game.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing I could say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Walker Bieler completely ineffective.
[SPEAKER_00]: Left pitches up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They made him pay consistently.
[SPEAKER_00]: Podgers had a couple of early chances did nothing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Trailed by nothing, scored a couple of runs, had a couple on, again, didn't come through with a big hit.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just more of a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's nothing to say about this game, other than it was a true embarrassment, which can happen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can have a game that's embarrassing, but it sucks when you get embarrassed during an embarrassing stretch.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happened here today, like they, they, we all felt the need for a win today.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to Dodger Stadium for a four-game set.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're facing Oton, you're facing a juggernaut
[SPEAKER_00]: If nothing else won, you know, give me one, and they couldn't even do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, they couldn't even be in this game.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they weren't ever even for a moment in this game.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just, it sucks when we all recognize that like,
[SPEAKER_00]: you needed to do something against the cups.
[SPEAKER_00]: They had to show up for one of these games.
[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, I think they showed up for the first game and the game they made like 15 miscues.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they deserved to lose, even though they should have won.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was what was so frustrating about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They deserved to lose, but they should have won.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they just completely won the tank.
[SPEAKER_00]: Next two days, in trail 93, and then trail 93, you know, lost 23 to three and trail 93, and nothing after two or three innings.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just,
[SPEAKER_00]: Just more the same, unfortunately, more the same for the podgeris here over the last five or six weeks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see what happens this weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to the point on rock bottom, you can't say they fit rock bottom before they get the Dodger Stadium for a four game series against Ella.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just cannot.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not possible to say they fit rock bottom, but four that series even starts, because we have no idea what plays out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the odds is yes, the Dodger's went three out of four.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if they do, podgers are under 500, if the Dodger somehow would more than that,
[SPEAKER_00]: then everything's on my support.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even know what happens if that plays out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully we see the opposite and the podger is at least find a way to just like tread here and wear a couple of games.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm hoping happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: But again, that strategy hasn't always been great hoping that something like that happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, appreciate you all.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's what 710 starts.
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be a later wrap-up show, but I'll be with you tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then I'm going to be traveling.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be doing shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be doing some shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully Jim will be doing some shows.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be doing some traveling.
[SPEAKER_00]: personal matter over the weekend and then family vacation ish for few days in back in California.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll make it all work hopefully as you know, it's kind of the deal with the wrap-up show, but just bear with us over the next week, but we'll be with you tomorrow night.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be here still in San Diego tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_00]: I reacting to it all.
[SPEAKER_00]: The opener.
[SPEAKER_00]: of a 4 game series between the Padres and the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all my son today.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I took him over the fairs and you know what the
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, no, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you won't believe the score.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like 23 to 30s.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, did they win or lose?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, they lost.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, what?
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard such a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Ask Siri, what's the most runs ever allowed to baseball game?
[SPEAKER_00]: 36, 1897, Chicago Colts, who became the cobs against the local kernels, modern day record, 30, Texas Rangers against the Baltimore Orioles, 2007, per seary from my son's question, on the way back from the San Diego County Fair.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright guys, see you tomorrow on Shave from Slua 3pm, reacting to it all, looking ahead to the Pilgris and the Dodgers, should be a fun weekend, fun weekend, in Los Angeles.
[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, pretty sure you have a good night, we'll catch up with you again tomorrow night, peace.