WEBVTT 00:02.960 --> 00:16.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to spend, from calm on knives, and you're listening, listening to the high-carum podcasts. 00:19.923 --> 00:21.143 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome guys, we are back. 00:21.463 --> 00:26.924 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a guest tonight, but before we get to our guest, we're going to talk quickly about our week. 00:27.424 --> 00:30.685 [SPEAKER_04]: By the time this airs next week, I will be full time, guys. 00:31.168 --> 00:31.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Hooray! 00:31.988 --> 00:34.629 [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, congratulations! 00:35.029 --> 00:36.370 [SPEAKER_04]: Tuesday is something like that, yeah. 00:37.310 --> 00:42.011 [SPEAKER_04]: It'll be nice to not have to worry about work and my main job, also, that'll be cool. 00:42.812 --> 00:44.172 [SPEAKER_04]: A couple new things that are up. 00:44.252 --> 00:49.334 [SPEAKER_04]: I got a gate of piss heavy online for people etching stainless Damascus. 00:49.874 --> 00:51.094 [SPEAKER_04]: All that stuff is ready to go. 00:53.135 --> 00:54.677 [SPEAKER_04]: put the labels and all that crap on. 00:54.697 --> 00:57.399 [SPEAKER_04]: I always like my labels because you can re-stick them on stuff. 00:57.859 --> 01:00.081 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's about it for this week. 01:00.122 --> 01:06.487 [SPEAKER_04]: I've been going through insurance stuff and making sure that I get everything ready for going full-time insurance things are crazy. 01:07.228 --> 01:08.069 [SPEAKER_04]: If you guys have 01:09.636 --> 01:23.209 [SPEAKER_04]: What are full-time and you want to really scale a shreddy self-talk to somebody about all the insurance that you should be having to cover You're not only the eight year equipment, but fits make a shop to touch the house and Something happens to it. 01:23.229 --> 01:24.331 [SPEAKER_04]: You're probably not covered. 01:24.711 --> 01:26.613 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll show you guys know all about all that crap. 01:26.633 --> 01:31.838 [SPEAKER_04]: You got to do the business insurance And your tools and you got students people in the shop too, so you probably have a whole bunch more 01:32.296 --> 01:42.031 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we have a guy with a friend of ours who works at an insurance company and he insured it's ours in our equipment for all kinds of stuff, the things that can happen. 01:42.263 --> 01:46.585 [SPEAKER_04]: You know, one of the important things, I think there's a business interruption insurance. 01:47.085 --> 01:57.229 [SPEAKER_04]: So if something happens to you and you're unable to work for a while, at least you get income coming in, like a normal paycheck, yeah, that's about eight for insurance. 01:57.249 --> 01:57.870 [SPEAKER_04]: I hate insurance. 01:57.910 --> 01:59.750 [SPEAKER_04]: I don't really want to talk about it. 01:59.830 --> 02:00.491 [SPEAKER_04]: Not a professional. 02:00.531 --> 02:04.512 [SPEAKER_04]: I just should load a crap that I've been doing this week with insurance and trying to figure out that stuff out. 02:04.552 --> 02:09.014 [SPEAKER_04]: So that was pretty much my week about Mr. Baltic 02:11.816 --> 02:29.127 [SPEAKER_03]: I did a real for our podcast finally because you were roasting me in our group chat that I promised to do like what it's it's more than a year ago I promised to do so a detimer the clock has reset so you know we will say hopefully next week I will do some more so it's fine. 02:29.908 --> 02:32.930 [SPEAKER_03]: Tested out my new workflow for doing video editing 02:34.008 --> 02:46.213 [SPEAKER_03]: Basically, I have a powerful PC at my apartment, which is almost always on, and I use Parsex software, which is basically let me remote into the computer, and it's really nice. 02:46.253 --> 02:47.553 [SPEAKER_03]: We really low latency. 02:47.613 --> 02:54.756 [SPEAKER_03]: I can do all my 3D modeling, do with that, and I also tested out the workflow in video editing. 02:55.337 --> 02:58.418 [SPEAKER_03]: So I am able to shoot video on my phone in my workshop. 02:59.359 --> 03:05.006 [SPEAKER_03]: I uploaded a locally into my computer that I got at the workshop because it's a crap PC. 03:05.867 --> 03:10.613 [SPEAKER_03]: And due to other software, blah, blah, blah, I test off. 03:10.713 --> 03:13.978 [SPEAKER_03]: It is also available in my station PC. 03:14.358 --> 03:17.762 [SPEAKER_03]: The powerful computer, and I can use parser, I can basically edit it. 03:18.503 --> 03:26.245 [SPEAKER_03]: And I can download it to my phone, pretty easy PC, and it's not like a Google Drive for Google Photos. 03:27.105 --> 03:31.266 [SPEAKER_03]: It's all non-compressed raw files. 03:31.506 --> 03:33.007 [SPEAKER_03]: So it worked wonderfully. 03:33.027 --> 03:34.127 [SPEAKER_03]: I love it. 03:34.487 --> 03:34.907 [SPEAKER_03]: It's great. 03:35.187 --> 03:36.907 [SPEAKER_03]: I finally test out the full pipeline. 03:37.148 --> 03:40.088 [SPEAKER_03]: So it's working out really nicely. 03:40.528 --> 03:42.709 [SPEAKER_03]: And I was just doing 03:47.950 --> 03:54.373 [SPEAKER_03]: Last episode, but it's still ongoing, but the results are really promising, it's just, it works great. 03:54.593 --> 04:04.416 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's not fully, fully stand on, but you know, at N690 at 6-1 HRC, it is prone to some corrosion, only. 04:04.876 --> 04:05.937 [SPEAKER_03]: It's like the best. 04:06.777 --> 04:11.601 [SPEAKER_03]: So, the solution would be to have it polished, like polished surface does not take rest of it. 04:12.082 --> 04:14.764 [SPEAKER_03]: And sandblasted surfaces, the opposite of polished. 04:15.504 --> 04:18.147 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, you know, about I love the look. 04:18.367 --> 04:20.609 [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, we have to deal with that. 04:20.969 --> 04:25.513 [SPEAKER_03]: So, it will be by its nature more prone to corrosion. 04:26.273 --> 04:53.539 [SPEAKER_03]: and I was doing a lot of research into tumbling and I remember we talked on some episode test especially with Albert that would it would be nice to get the let's say 120p grid grandmarks out of the level of the blade, you know, do a bit of a tumbling without any handwork and you know I kept thinking about it 04:54.359 --> 04:56.680 [SPEAKER_03]: It would be cool, you know, but it's abrasion. 04:56.820 --> 05:02.243 [SPEAKER_03]: And that abrasion that removes this scratches also works everywhere on the knife blank itself. 05:02.983 --> 05:08.325 [SPEAKER_03]: And that would round the spine, that would round the spine, and then what should I do? 05:08.365 --> 05:13.948 [SPEAKER_03]: I should regrind it, but then the finishes all off because you have the flats that are 05:15.048 --> 05:16.489 [SPEAKER_03]: tumult and yada yada yada. 05:16.909 --> 05:24.931 [SPEAKER_03]: So I was thinking more going to the direction of doing a static tumbling and maybe just surface polishing. 05:25.371 --> 05:39.294 [SPEAKER_03]: So with a very light and hard ceramic media or maybe silicon carbide media, just lightly polishing and I really want to be under in between two and four hours of tumbling. 05:39.354 --> 05:41.715 [SPEAKER_03]: So not too big cycles of tumbling. 05:42.255 --> 05:55.022 [SPEAKER_03]: just to get the nice aesthetic, and I talked with some other makers and they say that the timpled surface, the blades are so nice to touch because they are very, very smooth, very glossy, so I'm just, you know. 05:55.876 --> 06:17.066 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just googling, chagipity, including all of the media's asking what the fuck should I do and trying to figure out because there are so many different media different kinds of media, especially you can buy like super expensive plastic one and use like an additive with a grit and abrasive for polishing blah, blah, blah. 06:17.686 --> 06:20.407 [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm in that rabbit hole and while doing that, 06:21.239 --> 06:24.504 [SPEAKER_03]: I was doing Kadek Shith work, made some mold. 06:25.285 --> 06:34.760 [SPEAKER_03]: Now I can pump out a lot of varnashits and due to thermal bullshit, which does not allow for the Shith to cool down quickly. 06:34.800 --> 06:36.582 [SPEAKER_03]: I can change out the mold. 06:37.723 --> 06:51.666 [SPEAKER_03]: and continue production and I can, you know, have some quite solid numbers of sheets per day, so it's, it's good, it's exciting, I'm super excited about that, so that was my week, it was a good week. 06:52.287 --> 06:53.807 [SPEAKER_03]: How about you Albert? 06:54.167 --> 07:01.949 [SPEAKER_01]: We had a class, again, the knife making classes, time not a fortune class, where so much stuff went wrong, so it was the worst class we had so far. 07:07.412 --> 07:08.353 [SPEAKER_03]: so expensive. 07:08.733 --> 07:11.274 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, you cannot get any more of them, right? 07:11.974 --> 07:13.995 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all the three the date broke. 07:14.375 --> 07:17.377 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I ordered three from Keith. 07:17.997 --> 07:19.118 [SPEAKER_01]: And we've already got them. 07:19.138 --> 07:19.758 [SPEAKER_01]: So thank you. 07:19.878 --> 07:21.699 [SPEAKER_01]: There was super fast shipping. 07:21.919 --> 07:24.040 [SPEAKER_01]: But it was when the student was grinding. 07:24.060 --> 07:24.540 [SPEAKER_01]: So we had the 07:28.682 --> 07:50.798 [SPEAKER_01]: because I was in the grinding room next to him and I heard something falling down on the floor and I looked and it was the carpet pipe and it was in pieces so we got lucky nothing happened so no one got hurt but we got lucky because the background was tilted to the to its side right so I don't know what would have happened if the background would have been upright and so tilted on its side it just slid down to hit the floor and set a slide into the wheels 07:51.270 --> 07:51.770 [SPEAKER_01]: exactly. 07:51.830 --> 07:52.070 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 07:52.250 --> 07:53.371 [SPEAKER_01]: So we got lucky there. 07:53.471 --> 07:55.492 [SPEAKER_01]: But of course, first machine down. 07:55.972 --> 07:56.212 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 07:57.333 --> 08:01.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Then we went with it to finish grinding and we fried VFD. 08:02.315 --> 08:03.995 [SPEAKER_01]: So second belt grinder down. 08:04.055 --> 08:10.018 [SPEAKER_01]: So two of our white belt grinders were out of order at this point. 08:10.778 --> 08:13.079 [SPEAKER_01]: And then it was a knife making class of the coaching class. 08:13.099 --> 08:16.901 [SPEAKER_01]: So students were allowed to pick their kind of steel they wanted to use for 08:20.162 --> 08:26.128 [SPEAKER_01]: And one guy picked, if we didn't see that before, one guy picked a rod iron. 08:26.329 --> 08:27.790 [SPEAKER_01]: So rod iron fillet. 08:28.110 --> 08:40.443 [SPEAKER_01]: So austinitic, not martinitic, but funny thing, we did all the heat treatment with the hardening the time frame just to find out when we were finished grinding it that it was pure rod iron. 08:40.683 --> 08:41.744 [SPEAKER_01]: But then it was like, 08:42.365 --> 08:45.527 [SPEAKER_01]: since it was 11 people in a night making class so that's a lot of people. 08:45.967 --> 08:51.491 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was three or four in the afternoon and we had to start over with this guy from scratch. 08:51.531 --> 09:01.017 [SPEAKER_01]: So to get another piece of steel and we had to do all this stuff again, profiling, preheat my drilling, hardening, tampering, and then the finish grind. 09:01.178 --> 09:02.779 [SPEAKER_01]: Same day, yeah, on Saturday. 09:02.979 --> 09:05.460 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was a very long day on Saturday. 09:05.701 --> 09:07.602 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm pretty sure that's not all that went wrong. 09:08.282 --> 09:23.503 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one guy forgot to do the preheat grid grind a lot of stuff went wrong But we managed and we pulled through so everyone went home with a nice knife on on Sunday But I was so frustrated unsaid today Imagine so you guys gonna have to mark all your rod eye and steal so that doesn't happen again 09:24.141 --> 09:27.703 [SPEAKER_01]: It was Mark, but it took it out of the steel wagon. 09:27.783 --> 09:31.006 [SPEAKER_01]: No one checked whether or not it was watchy-picked. 09:31.426 --> 09:36.809 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we told him this is the Damascus steel, this is the lemonade, and he picked something else, obviously. 09:36.829 --> 09:40.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the clever set of the Sunday. 09:41.292 --> 09:42.613 [SPEAKER_01]: Then it was my mom's birthday. 09:42.833 --> 09:46.596 [SPEAKER_01]: We went out for dinner, and we had drinks and cake and coffee yesterday. 09:47.016 --> 09:57.941 [SPEAKER_01]: And today, before that, I mean, it's a more private thing, but today, before that, I bought a boat, a canoe, so because it's so hot, so we also want to get on a lake, so we've been peddling the last couple of days. 09:58.221 --> 09:58.622 [SPEAKER_01]: Captain. 09:58.802 --> 10:02.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Captain, yeah, because the lake is like two minutes away from where we live. 10:02.343 --> 10:02.684 [SPEAKER_03]: So nice. 10:02.704 --> 10:04.745 [SPEAKER_03]: Congratulations, of becoming a captain. 10:05.405 --> 10:05.945 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. 10:06.766 --> 10:08.947 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll send you pictures to make you thank you. 10:08.967 --> 10:09.747 [SPEAKER_01]: To make you jealous. 10:10.647 --> 10:10.988 [SPEAKER_03]: I will. 10:11.188 --> 10:11.408 [SPEAKER_03]: I will. 10:11.508 --> 10:12.928 [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Austria is so beautiful. 10:12.989 --> 10:13.189 [SPEAKER_03]: Do 10:16.170 --> 10:18.112 [SPEAKER_03]: I think you might be setting yourself up to go dark on. 10:18.292 --> 10:19.292 [SPEAKER_01]: On the lake, you mean? 10:19.953 --> 10:21.334 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not a hunter. 10:22.675 --> 10:23.916 [SPEAKER_04]: But you're sure you gotta canoe. 10:25.197 --> 10:26.017 [SPEAKER_01]: I could give it a go. 10:26.198 --> 10:26.898 [SPEAKER_01]: I give it a try. 10:27.118 --> 10:27.859 [SPEAKER_01]: It's on point. 10:28.199 --> 10:31.141 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm pretty sure I'm gonna lose my gun license if I do that. 10:32.282 --> 10:32.963 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather not. 10:33.203 --> 10:34.964 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, shall we introduce our guest? 10:35.384 --> 10:36.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's go. 10:36.285 --> 10:43.172 [SPEAKER_04]: So, if anybody reads, and I know I'm probably the only one that reads the show descriptions, this was a little hint in last week's episode at the very end. 10:43.812 --> 10:55.523 [SPEAKER_04]: We have a previous knife show Austria, best knife of show winner, and just recently for the soldering of knife show, he won the Kukri with the twist. 10:55.844 --> 10:59.447 [SPEAKER_04]: We have Mr. Marco, out of it from Austria with us tonight. 10:59.607 --> 11:00.468 [SPEAKER_04]: Welcome to the show Marco. 11:01.187 --> 11:02.168 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you for inviting me. 11:02.468 --> 11:03.889 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm glad to be here. 11:05.731 --> 11:15.297 [SPEAKER_05]: I heard your podcast the last weeks a lot of I didn't know before really at knife show after knife show. 11:16.778 --> 11:26.085 [SPEAKER_05]: Paul told me about the podcast and it was the first time I heard podcast in fact so it's cool to be here. 11:26.377 --> 11:28.558 [SPEAKER_04]: So you don't usually listen to podcasts? 11:28.638 --> 11:30.678 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's time to own there, huh? 11:30.738 --> 11:33.599 [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, yeah, I may be listening to too many podcasts. 11:33.639 --> 11:40.021 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes I have to just have them go and like crazy in the background and it's a nice change of pace to put some music on when you're working. 11:40.041 --> 11:41.862 [SPEAKER_04]: Sometimes I say to just listen to people babbling. 11:44.214 --> 11:50.020 [SPEAKER_04]: But anyway, for some of our listeners who might not know who you are, want to tell us a little bit about yourself. 11:50.601 --> 11:57.148 [SPEAKER_04]: I know you have some schooling background in Blacksmith and some Blacksmiths in the family, also, right? 11:59.676 --> 12:09.561 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it was my first education, I did the same school like Martin Huger, it's in Staya. 12:10.322 --> 12:15.364 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's in the near from me and I heard from this school and I wanted to do something with my hands. 12:15.985 --> 12:19.426 [SPEAKER_05]: And when I saw this, it was the right way. 12:19.967 --> 12:21.187 [SPEAKER_05]: I go there for the four years. 12:22.428 --> 12:44.905 [SPEAKER_05]: but in fact after this cool I know there would be only some companies and they have always some family background so you don't get the job in the nearest something yeah so I did some other education as a welder and also as a tool maker and 12:46.597 --> 12:49.719 [SPEAKER_05]: But I always did the forging at the Christmas market. 12:50.040 --> 12:55.804 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I never, I always did something in this direction. 12:56.904 --> 13:10.034 [SPEAKER_05]: And then it was, I think, four years ago, or five years ago, I had this idea to build me and workshop because I always was standing outside. 13:10.754 --> 13:18.681 [SPEAKER_05]: outside with the call forge and it was always when it was rainy you can go and it snows you can go. 13:19.481 --> 13:28.749 [SPEAKER_05]: So it was crazy and I wanted to do more in this direction again and so I built this workshop and 13:29.889 --> 13:53.856 [SPEAKER_05]: It was, um, the idea was to do more blacksmithing and not knife-making, so I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I collected some, some new tools for the blacksmithing and, and then I met Martin Hoover because it didn't know him because he was, um, to young that I know him. 13:53.996 --> 13:55.977 [SPEAKER_05]: When I go to school, he wasn't there already. 13:57.057 --> 14:17.782 [SPEAKER_05]: And I met him at the workshop at our old teacher and I spoke about two hours with him about knife making and then I found, okay, I can try this also because I don't want to stay on to go only on the on the Christmas market so I want to do something under the year also. 14:19.163 --> 14:24.250 [SPEAKER_05]: and Martin showed me the way to go knife-making. 14:24.851 --> 14:31.640 [SPEAKER_05]: He informed me about the belt grinder, so I don't know I never had something before. 14:33.170 --> 14:49.203 [SPEAKER_05]: Because, in fact, in school, every guy makes some knives but the knife we make was filing the knife and we did some domestic steel with an old file and some mild steel or something, so that was nothing. 14:50.084 --> 14:59.011 [SPEAKER_05]: You do it and when you did it, you know, okay, that it's not so funny, but now with the equipment, it's cool. 14:59.748 --> 15:07.335 [SPEAKER_04]: So you got your first taste of the bell granite from Martin and then did you try and build one yourself or did you just buy one 15:08.020 --> 15:31.643 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I buy these from the kleine messa laden that was the first one and with the whole equipment, I think, and a few years later, I have now also one from Tobin, so it's like Martin Chopp, it's a cool combination, but yeah, dreaming from the next one, I don't know, it's always the same when you have something here, you want the next one. 15:33.265 --> 15:51.544 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I started with some monos steel blades and don't know what I do so really and I was always with sitting Martin because he's in the near from me and yeah I 15:53.686 --> 16:06.532 [SPEAKER_05]: I am always in this workshop and asking some questions and so on to driving home and trying again and yeah so it's now four times ago and yeah and I've sure was my my first 16:08.693 --> 16:33.012 [SPEAKER_05]: The first time I go from the workshop outside, I said to Martin because in fact I didn't know any of the other makers and it was my first show and yeah it was great for me to meet the other guys to see what they do and yeah and also the the price I'm on there this was that your first time ever going going to an episode is the first time exiled 16:34.185 --> 16:42.870 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, no, I, a lot, um, I year before I was at, um, upsets at the, um, messermarked upsets. 16:43.370 --> 16:45.231 [SPEAKER_05]: It was my first show where I was a visitor. 16:46.392 --> 16:50.414 [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, I was the first guy inside and the last, uh, outside. 16:50.434 --> 16:53.476 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought, but it was also really cool. 16:54.977 --> 16:56.219 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and then I've showed. 16:56.719 --> 17:02.386 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and last year, I was also then with Martin and Oktober to play Chewest. 17:03.508 --> 17:04.589 [SPEAKER_05]: It was also really cool. 17:05.751 --> 17:07.193 [SPEAKER_05]: And text in tech. 17:07.934 --> 17:12.840 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, no, I'm not Texas, um, in Utah, Utah. 17:13.360 --> 17:13.661 [SPEAKER_05]: Utah. 17:14.001 --> 17:24.226 [SPEAKER_05]: It's also cool, cool show, we were there and I took about five knives with me and as all them all. 17:25.286 --> 17:36.031 [SPEAKER_05]: And so both Martin and I sold out there and so we had enough time to spend the money again on some wood and tools and something else. 17:36.791 --> 17:37.572 [SPEAKER_04]: That's easy to do. 17:38.272 --> 17:39.352 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, always. 17:39.793 --> 17:40.113 [SPEAKER_05]: Always. 17:40.918 --> 17:50.562 [SPEAKER_04]: So I think you also have a distributor that sells some of your knives in the U.S. Did you get that connection through the blade show or what do you mean? 17:51.342 --> 17:56.344 [SPEAKER_04]: I think you sell through West Knifeworks, something like that, new West Knifeworks. 17:56.803 --> 18:03.047 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know, at the, I know the guy, his name is, I think, Fiddler or the Diddler or something. 18:03.727 --> 18:11.452 [SPEAKER_05]: And he took four of the knives, but we have some, and another guy was there, who bought one here. 18:12.633 --> 18:13.534 [SPEAKER_05]: That was really cool. 18:14.195 --> 18:17.598 [SPEAKER_05]: It was my first That somebody takes so much. 18:18.199 --> 18:18.700 [SPEAKER_05]: Don't know. 18:19.000 --> 18:21.763 [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe I heard something once a time again from him. 18:22.444 --> 18:31.413 [SPEAKER_05]: That would be nice And next year I fly to Texas showing the want to see this show again 18:32.285 --> 18:44.745 [SPEAKER_04]: that also and also like to get to the text to show um how but I think you had Marko at your shop recently when did you guys work for us at still a secret you have to ask Marko why visit to us 18:46.373 --> 19:01.463 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not yet, it's in my mind shop, but there will be next year something different and I want to go this way and so I said, I will invest some money more in the workshop. 19:02.344 --> 19:08.548 [SPEAKER_05]: I have an old power hammer, I want a new one and I heard from from the 19:15.110 --> 19:18.932 [SPEAKER_04]: So Albert and Andy are going to recondition how I am a few. 19:19.132 --> 19:20.453 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the first place. 19:20.833 --> 19:22.454 [SPEAKER_05]: The first step. 19:22.594 --> 19:24.995 [SPEAKER_01]: A 75 kilogram conreta for our hammer. 19:25.235 --> 19:26.456 [SPEAKER_01]: They are very, very rare. 19:27.216 --> 19:33.480 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the first and only 75 kilogram rambwhite right that we've seen on the market. 19:33.500 --> 19:36.261 [SPEAKER_01]: The 34 to 50 are quite common, but the 75 is very rare. 19:38.022 --> 19:49.848 [SPEAKER_01]: And the good thing is it's a very small machine, so it has a very small footprint, but a lot of power, because after I was a 75 kilo ramp by power hammer, but it sounds like two meters long, and a meter wide or something like that. 19:49.868 --> 19:54.350 [SPEAKER_01]: So it has a very small footprint for such a powerful machine, very compact. 19:54.625 --> 19:57.867 [SPEAKER_04]: It's the similar to the one that Fingel Ferguson bought this figure, right? 19:58.267 --> 19:58.807 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bigger. 19:59.427 --> 20:03.850 [SPEAKER_01]: Fingel has the 50 kilogram, Kona, that's a 75. 20:03.990 --> 20:10.673 [SPEAKER_01]: And if you compare it to the footprint of 75 per share house, 75 per share is a massive machine. 20:10.973 --> 20:11.693 [SPEAKER_01]: It's huge. 20:12.474 --> 20:15.395 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's much more compact if you compare it to these old power homes. 20:15.555 --> 20:16.496 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's still very powerful. 20:16.576 --> 20:20.798 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the same type of machine Fingel has, but it's a heavier RAM with a heavier RAM. 20:21.178 --> 20:22.984 [SPEAKER_01]: And the whole thing is bigger, of course, right? 20:23.405 --> 20:27.978 [SPEAKER_01]: So just to ramp up the whole machine is taller and has a bigger footprint in them. 20:28.659 --> 20:33.460 [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you could, for me, as a novice, in the power hammers. 20:33.700 --> 20:37.121 [SPEAKER_03]: Is this sounds like a pretty big cram with, right? 20:37.341 --> 20:39.882 [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, you said that there are mostly smaller ones. 20:40.742 --> 20:45.543 [SPEAKER_03]: What would be the go-to work with this kind of cram weight? 20:45.903 --> 20:49.424 [SPEAKER_03]: Would it be like, build the mask with making or, I don't know? 20:49.484 --> 20:52.865 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a heavy ram for a placement. 20:53.565 --> 20:55.187 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can do everything with it. 20:55.207 --> 20:58.830 [SPEAKER_01]: You can move steel so you can use it for drawing out the mascar spillets. 20:59.030 --> 21:02.753 [SPEAKER_01]: You could even try using it for forge welding, but I would rather use a press. 21:03.073 --> 21:05.455 [SPEAKER_01]: If you have one, I would recommend using press thread. 21:05.795 --> 21:08.117 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can move a lot of material. 21:08.537 --> 21:13.481 [SPEAKER_01]: You could also use it for forge welding and you can still use it for depending on the dice. 21:13.742 --> 21:18.305 [SPEAKER_01]: You have on your hammer, but you can also use it for forging a blade into shape. 21:18.425 --> 21:21.388 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a very universal machine because with a 21:21.928 --> 21:28.990 [SPEAKER_01]: With a 50 kilogram, maybe a 34, right, like the small one, you can't really move a lot of metal with that. 21:29.190 --> 21:36.573 [SPEAKER_01]: So there are also machines for foaching a blade into shape, but there are horrible machines or there is better machines out there for moving steel. 21:36.613 --> 21:40.674 [SPEAKER_01]: So drawing out pellets, forge welding, like big pellets of steel, I mean. 21:40.994 --> 21:42.775 [SPEAKER_01]: But with a 75, you can do all of that. 21:43.055 --> 21:48.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you have to be careful if you forge a blade to shape it because 75 kilogram RAM is 75. 21:48.198 --> 21:48.839 [SPEAKER_01]: It's heavy. 21:48.959 --> 21:54.162 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can also destroy your blade if you're forgeing a blade to shape when it gets too thin. 21:54.282 --> 21:55.522 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's manageable. 21:55.542 --> 21:59.204 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that with a power hammer, a pneumatic power hammer. 21:59.245 --> 22:08.790 [SPEAKER_01]: So with a 75 RAM-way tire hammer or spring hammer, it's much harder because they're very hard to control or hard dirt to control than a pneumatic 22:11.091 --> 22:24.921 [SPEAKER_03]: So this was my exactly the next question, you know, is it like if you choose the lower round weight ones, like the fourth and the 35 ones, do they have finer controls than the 70 something? 22:25.201 --> 22:26.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody does it this year. 22:26.722 --> 22:29.884 [SPEAKER_01]: The controls are the same, but it's easier to fuck up stuff. 22:31.245 --> 22:33.746 [SPEAKER_01]: Because of that, that's different. 22:33.906 --> 22:34.747 [SPEAKER_01]: The controls are the same. 22:34.767 --> 22:38.008 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a foot pedal and you have this valve to open up and close. 22:38.068 --> 22:39.209 [SPEAKER_01]: And the ram goes up and down. 22:39.229 --> 22:40.850 [SPEAKER_01]: So the controls are exactly the same. 22:40.970 --> 22:45.052 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's as I said, it's easy to fuck up stuff with a heavy ram. 22:45.132 --> 22:45.572 [SPEAKER_01]: That's why. 22:45.872 --> 22:47.213 [SPEAKER_03]: But that is great. 22:47.433 --> 22:51.635 [SPEAKER_03]: Because if you get it under control, we can do a lot of work. 22:51.955 --> 22:57.818 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when you get the finesse and the efficiency and you know how to use the machine, we can actually do a lot of work. 22:58.258 --> 23:15.954 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's and you said it's the only one that you saw in the listings ever that's the only one I've we've ever seen such as me but also and it's the only one we've ever seen on the market because they're so rare and we've even texted angler because we need some drawings and plans for restoring this one. 23:16.634 --> 23:22.155 [SPEAKER_01]: And even the guy from Angola wrote back very, very nice machine and they've been selling this for sure. 23:22.895 --> 23:24.156 [SPEAKER_01]: They know that they're very rare. 23:24.336 --> 23:28.676 [SPEAKER_01]: And so Angola has been the distributor of Konoha at the power hammers before though. 23:29.037 --> 23:30.077 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that went out of business. 23:30.277 --> 23:40.979 [SPEAKER_03]: I actually do some business with them, so yeah, it's interesting for you to hear that, you know, I did not know how big they are, but apparently they are pretty big as you say. 23:41.359 --> 23:44.361 [SPEAKER_01]: Angale, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, from Germany, right? 23:44.401 --> 23:50.084 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's a go-to shop for bladesmithing equipment and it used to be the go-to shop for partners. 23:50.184 --> 23:55.086 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they even sell the Andying power hammers these days and the press isn't stuff. 23:55.106 --> 23:58.988 [SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, and tongs all you need for for folding, basically. 23:59.208 --> 24:07.513 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's one of the nicest machines and the most versatile machines I've seen so far and Mark was gonna get very nice dyes and stuff, also. 24:07.533 --> 24:07.973 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so. 24:08.313 --> 24:12.697 [SPEAKER_01]: because we have shit loads of lies for this hammer. 24:13.718 --> 24:19.803 [SPEAKER_04]: But now I'm wondering, because Mark are you already making like some beautiful a mask of Damascus winning awards and stuff. 24:20.203 --> 24:22.085 [SPEAKER_04]: You must have some planned with this. 24:22.145 --> 24:28.470 [SPEAKER_04]: Is there some kind of special Damascus or something that you want to make with this the reason why you're getting the machine? 24:30.284 --> 24:48.595 [SPEAKER_05]: The reason is I have this spring hammer and the controlling is really difficult because it's not the usual way I do it There's also not the place in my workshop to fix it and otherwise but 24:50.416 --> 25:10.691 [SPEAKER_05]: So in for the future it's the it's the hammer I will need I think and with the 75 kilo you can do everything and also what is really nice on this machine it's you have a lot of way so you when you do something blacksmithing 25:11.652 --> 25:26.352 [SPEAKER_05]: You can also do the normal hammer inside and put and push it in the material so this hammer is Really cool because of the of the highway was the ram makes and 75 kilo 25:27.853 --> 25:28.914 [SPEAKER_05]: I never saw it before. 25:29.474 --> 25:47.347 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know about this, but I noticed that in the most black forching they used the 50 kilo one or the 35 I don't know, but they are the most used power high mile think in this area. 25:48.148 --> 25:51.510 [SPEAKER_05]: And the 75 is, yeah, that's really cool. 25:52.110 --> 26:11.655 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and no, the topic is when in the future, I want to make more into stuff and need a power hammer with more controlling and also 75 kilos, it would be much easier for the billets. 26:13.775 --> 26:20.658 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, a few weeks before I get also from Tobin the rolling mill. 26:22.139 --> 26:23.539 [SPEAKER_05]: I used it now once a time. 26:23.619 --> 26:35.524 [SPEAKER_05]: It's also one of my passions I invested because I say, I think from my show, we spoke a lot about what you need for forging and you need everything. 26:35.584 --> 26:38.406 [SPEAKER_05]: So you need a rolling mill, you need a power hammer 26:41.727 --> 27:04.739 [SPEAKER_05]: Only with these free machines, you come to an internet, I think, yeah, what you can do, and the press is the next, what I want to have, and I'm writing with some people, so I will see, maybe to the end of the year also have the press in the workshop, but I think I will need a new 27:10.375 --> 27:11.896 [SPEAKER_04]: What kind of a press are you looking for? 27:12.197 --> 27:34.995 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, then, that's, we have in Europe, I think I was looking for something, oh, what is normal 25, tons, press, so rock-a-blade makes 25, and have some cool functions on this, press, but I'm waiting for 27:38.658 --> 27:41.800 [SPEAKER_05]: he bought one and I think he will get it in the next month for something. 27:41.820 --> 28:00.672 [SPEAKER_05]: I ask him every week if the machine is here because I want to know what he thinks about it and but 25 is not enough I think so you will you will want more in the future and 25 it's no it's not not enough and 28:02.834 --> 28:20.127 [SPEAKER_05]: In Tual, there is a feedler and some other guys, they have a lot of breasts, they use more breasts than power hammers I think, and they have about 50 tons and something else, that's really heavy, but I think about... 28:20.907 --> 28:44.054 [SPEAKER_05]: 30 tons or a little bit above that would be much better than it is 25 so you can do more and also something in the direction, black, blacksmithing, making some houses of the access or something else so I need another breast and not like rock 28:45.174 --> 28:57.828 [SPEAKER_05]: I found something in the Czech Republic who make some some presses with these force I don't know the word for silence. 28:58.309 --> 29:02.273 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, this one is also really cool and has about 30 tons. 29:04.045 --> 29:27.557 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, yeah, but maybe I get something new, more cool, but about this, I don't want to say something now because it's not fixed, but maybe on the end of the year and I can't only say when he makes this, I think I will really glad when he do this for me because he will make 29:29.637 --> 29:42.362 [SPEAKER_04]: I think I have an idea of who it is, but at the next show in Seoul next to my table, I don't know if you've got a chance to walk around, there was a company that had some tools that they make themselves in, there was a press there. 29:42.462 --> 29:43.823 [SPEAKER_04]: Did you get a look at that press? 29:43.863 --> 29:45.123 [SPEAKER_04]: Is that the one that you were talking about? 29:45.243 --> 29:47.204 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so it is also. 29:51.140 --> 29:52.561 [SPEAKER_05]: I saw it a few years ago. 29:54.001 --> 30:08.707 [SPEAKER_05]: I was looking because I was following some guy from Germany who bought this and he was really glad with this machine, but when I was there, I see it looks like 30:09.747 --> 30:11.469 [SPEAKER_05]: not strong enough build. 30:12.790 --> 30:14.912 [SPEAKER_05]: So I don't know. 30:14.932 --> 30:18.036 [SPEAKER_05]: I would not, the price is cool. 30:18.076 --> 30:31.829 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, the price is really cool for this machine and I think you can do something with it, but I need something more massive, I think, more massive and for the next 40 years or something. 30:32.727 --> 30:54.332 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, when you spend in that kind of money, it's good to buy quality or maybe even a little bit nicer than what you think you might need so you don't have to upgrade again in a few years and you learn how to use it I can't remember the name of the company that was selling the press a lot of people interested in I think the price was attractive but like you said I'm not sure for somebody that's doing a full time if that's the right machine for them. 30:55.013 --> 30:56.373 [SPEAKER_04]: They use it in constantly all the time. 30:56.740 --> 31:16.770 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the reason, um, it looks not like having up for doing it, um, I every week or something or maybe for a few years then the price is okay, but I'm a guy who spent, um, who spent more money in the machine and have more fun with the machine and a long time. 31:17.411 --> 31:18.051 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the reason. 31:18.386 --> 31:26.903 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Angela also sells a 50 ton press, but that's an ending press for 20 grand, so that's a lot of money to spend on a press. 31:27.124 --> 31:28.807 [SPEAKER_01]: But so, I mean, that's also a good machine. 31:28.977 --> 31:34.862 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but it's a little bit too much, yeah, 20s, it's too much, the price of a car. 31:35.143 --> 31:39.807 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, so you have to know I do it only in my free time, it's not my main job, okay? 31:39.887 --> 31:42.529 [SPEAKER_05]: And 20 card would be, it would be too much. 31:43.009 --> 31:45.372 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, but it's a very nice machine, have you seen it? 31:45.592 --> 31:47.594 [SPEAKER_01]: The one from Agile. 31:47.614 --> 31:48.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just 52. 31:49.695 --> 32:07.581 [SPEAKER_05]: I have some time where I searched every press you can get in Europe and then I, so what is good or this one and what is good at that one and yeah, but 20k had too much, but it is really a nice press I think. 32:07.821 --> 32:15.283 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, that's an advantage of getting to see all the knife make a sharp to Albert has a nice press and he's played some show you checked out all his equipment. 32:15.620 --> 32:17.903 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yes, um, that was really nice. 32:18.503 --> 32:26.573 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I, and I was so, so much, um, power hammers, um, in one workshop, and that's crazy. 32:27.054 --> 32:30.237 [SPEAKER_04]: And I was turned red now, that's really cool. 32:30.998 --> 32:37.720 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's also, you got it from 150 kilo ramp to, I think, 35. 32:37.780 --> 32:41.802 [SPEAKER_05]: So, 30 is like 30, it's like a dream. 32:42.202 --> 32:44.823 [SPEAKER_05]: Everybody is dreaming of a workshop like this. 32:45.943 --> 32:55.327 [SPEAKER_05]: And you have enough space and also the press you have to use it for the, for the billets. 32:55.427 --> 32:57.467 [SPEAKER_05]: At first, it's a really cool idea. 32:57.487 --> 32:58.568 [SPEAKER_05]: I never heard this before. 32:59.408 --> 33:01.369 [SPEAKER_05]: but I also never saw a machine like that. 33:01.529 --> 33:05.531 [SPEAKER_05]: Dispress you use for the welding. 33:05.912 --> 33:08.013 [SPEAKER_01]: That's a friction press. 33:08.273 --> 33:11.375 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's too slow for drawing out a billet. 33:11.955 --> 33:18.018 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I also want to have hydraulic press because that machine is very missing. 33:18.258 --> 33:21.600 [SPEAKER_01]: But 20k is too much for even hours. 33:21.900 --> 33:28.484 [SPEAKER_01]: This capable of pressing 80 tons, which is more than 50, obviously, but it's mechanical and not hydraulic. 33:28.644 --> 33:35.590 [SPEAKER_01]: The hydraulic one are much easier to control than the mechanical one, so. 33:36.251 --> 33:40.534 [SPEAKER_05]: That could be for welding, for the first weld. 33:40.715 --> 33:42.196 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for 4.5. 33:42.416 --> 33:43.657 [SPEAKER_01]: It's perfect, yeah. 33:43.717 --> 33:44.378 [SPEAKER_01]: It's perfect. 33:44.538 --> 33:44.938 [SPEAKER_01]: You go. 33:45.159 --> 33:46.019 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's super fast. 33:47.220 --> 33:50.561 [SPEAKER_05]: That I didn't recognize, yeah, I was there. 33:50.581 --> 34:06.424 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't sell what you do when you go to the Power hammer and four shot and I thought what was this machine doing so it's it was really fast because you do it once and it's well It's really cool and but I know what you mean. 34:06.464 --> 34:12.265 [SPEAKER_05]: You need a press for doing The hydraulic best for doing other stuff, but for for the welding. 34:12.425 --> 34:13.425 [SPEAKER_05]: It's it's perfect. 34:13.445 --> 34:13.565 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah 34:13.910 --> 34:16.151 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, for photographing, it's awesome, that's true, yeah. 34:16.411 --> 34:19.792 [SPEAKER_01]: Because even photographing works best under a lot of pressure. 34:20.092 --> 34:23.753 [SPEAKER_01]: And 80 times it's a lot of pressure for photographing in the masquerade bullet that's true. 34:24.093 --> 34:29.694 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's fast, it's also an Atlanta advantage, because it goes down so fast that the bullet doesn't cool off and stuff. 34:29.894 --> 34:30.094 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 34:30.295 --> 34:33.355 [SPEAKER_01]: And it makes for very, very reliable photographing. 34:33.375 --> 34:39.117 [SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't have the steel disseminating on us since we had the press since we bought the press. 34:39.772 --> 34:41.233 [SPEAKER_05]: That's really interesting. 34:41.253 --> 34:46.354 [SPEAKER_05]: You told me there's there and I thought a lot about this and that's really cool. 34:46.634 --> 34:54.877 [SPEAKER_05]: When you have something like that, I only know this as much older machines and much bigger machines with these. 34:55.677 --> 34:58.578 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you know this, they are this old one. 34:59.198 --> 35:20.910 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, with the wheels, yeah, with these wheels, yeah, you never have, I would never have the place to, I saw them often because they're not, um, really expensive when you want to buy something, but you, my workshop, I don't get it in there, so they would be not the place, you need a, you need a hole. 35:21.478 --> 35:40.092 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, here's the funny story about the press we have we also wanted to get one of these with this big wheels sort of friction presses with the big wheels on the side and we also we already agreed to buying this from this guy we bought our power hammer so that was a whole shop with a lot of stuff. 35:40.685 --> 35:47.398 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we went to another room of this guy's shop and he had the small compact press, we own now. 35:47.898 --> 35:52.868 [SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't get the other one, but we switched to the more compact one. 35:53.500 --> 36:01.463 [SPEAKER_01]: Because this flag or friction press is their huge, I mean, the five meters higher something they're very hard to transport. 36:01.723 --> 36:06.645 [SPEAKER_01]: So if luckily we found this more compact machine in a different room, that's a shop. 36:07.286 --> 36:08.486 [SPEAKER_04]: I need a lot of room for them. 36:08.586 --> 36:13.148 [SPEAKER_04]: If any of you guys have a mental anguish shop, he has one and the 36:13.672 --> 36:16.694 [SPEAKER_04]: Like the weights, the count of weights on them are like the size of a basketball. 36:16.714 --> 36:17.855 [SPEAKER_04]: This huge steel balls. 36:18.235 --> 36:20.056 [SPEAKER_04]: He's got them all wrapped up and padding and stuff. 36:20.076 --> 36:21.397 [SPEAKER_04]: So people don't get locked up. 36:21.417 --> 36:25.520 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's easy if somebody's not paying attention or you got a lot of students in there walking around. 36:26.741 --> 36:27.522 [SPEAKER_04]: We'd be dangerous. 36:27.902 --> 36:29.643 [SPEAKER_04]: And they don't stop very, very quickly. 36:30.364 --> 36:32.345 [SPEAKER_04]: So they'll hit you and keep pushing you around. 36:32.525 --> 36:51.257 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I can remember we had in the in the forge in the school where I was we had one I think I never saw one such big I don't know what is I think it was about 120 tons or something else and we did some 36:52.858 --> 37:07.650 [SPEAKER_05]: some kitchen tools inside, you can press it, you can press some metal sheets in the form cold, so this was really great, but the place is, you need so much place for such 37:19.825 --> 37:41.930 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we need a big workshop for old machines, but because these old machines they're generally speaking very, very large, and we just take a look at handglass shop with this old rolling element's massive, it's huge, I already was there at handglass shop, and I saw videos before where they turned the 37:43.630 --> 37:59.357 [SPEAKER_05]: There are some so much handles on the smashing and I saw only the videos where they put the hands on there and turn it and I say wow, okay, it's cool Rolling mill and I won by was there. 37:59.758 --> 38:09.282 [SPEAKER_05]: I saw it with how they used it and and then I saw at first what the machine is really 38:09.682 --> 38:14.403 [SPEAKER_05]: There is so much on the machine, but you didn't saw it on the video. 38:14.463 --> 38:20.185 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought it was all and say, okay, wow, it's a big machine, but it's crazy. 38:20.425 --> 38:21.685 [SPEAKER_05]: This thing is really crazy. 38:22.726 --> 38:23.666 [SPEAKER_01]: But very, very nice. 38:24.346 --> 38:27.407 [SPEAKER_01]: But he ran the full and the maskous production. 38:27.427 --> 38:33.929 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, if you do love the mask steel and steel production, you need to have a machinery. 38:35.450 --> 38:36.591 [SPEAKER_01]: to be efficient, I think. 38:36.791 --> 38:45.159 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it doesn't make sense to do the mask production in a small hydraulic press because it takes you forever to draw the pilot and to do all the stuff you need to do. 38:45.780 --> 38:48.983 [SPEAKER_01]: By the time this shop, I mean, he runs a full-on steel production. 38:49.097 --> 38:57.198 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it told me the the story where he got it and yeah, that's an industrial machine. 38:57.879 --> 38:58.859 [SPEAKER_05]: Wow, in his workshop. 38:59.419 --> 39:11.061 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I think it's it's only it's only this machine because it's built for for for the company for for Wolfram or something else. 39:11.721 --> 39:12.621 [SPEAKER_05]: They they roll some 39:17.350 --> 39:22.234 [SPEAKER_04]: So you keep talking about your shop in too small, tell us a little bit about your shop how big is it? 39:22.754 --> 39:24.175 [SPEAKER_04]: What do you actually have in there right now? 39:24.872 --> 39:30.337 [SPEAKER_05]: Sarah had, um, we have, it's said my, um, father's house. 39:30.357 --> 39:44.570 [SPEAKER_05]: We have some separated garage and he built two times to this garage, um, and I built the third time to this garage. 39:44.610 --> 39:49.374 [SPEAKER_05]: So the this complex is more is bigger than the house now. 39:50.515 --> 40:16.375 [SPEAKER_05]: and yeah it's perfect but I had space, free meter, bright and 11 meter long so you can imagine my workshop is like standing machines on the left on the right side the whole length and you go in the middle so two two people in the workshop is possible but more it's 40:19.777 --> 40:47.212 [SPEAKER_05]: and but yeah my father so um also give me the chance i break roof the wall to the other room gets um there i get i think 25 uh square meter more and also on the top of the whole building there's um i think about 70 square meters but it's more for some woodwork from a father so 40:48.313 --> 41:14.084 [SPEAKER_05]: He always says he has no place because my machines are all everywhere and yeah, I separated also in the workshop, the forching and grinding area to the area where I have the delayed and the turning mill because that was important for me that not the dust is everywhere on 41:16.425 --> 41:20.366 [SPEAKER_05]: So I try to keep them clean and yeah. 41:21.346 --> 41:34.709 [SPEAKER_05]: But so when you imagine in these of, I think, 30 square meter, I have everywhere these machines. 41:34.789 --> 41:43.511 [SPEAKER_05]: And I also have the coal forge there and the equipment for the blacksmithing 41:46.567 --> 41:56.672 [SPEAKER_05]: I can't give it away because I always do for the Christmas markets, some stuff and there are some tools you would never get anymore. 41:56.993 --> 42:06.297 [SPEAKER_05]: So I had some luck on some boards and yeah, that's, I think. 42:07.778 --> 42:23.144 [SPEAKER_05]: Angale, Angale, um, sell something on these tools, but I had all the one and they are much bigger, so I would never sell them anymore, and it was really some luck to get them. 42:24.105 --> 42:25.445 [SPEAKER_05]: And why so big? 42:26.286 --> 42:28.006 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I have this big 42:38.031 --> 42:47.495 [SPEAKER_05]: getting in about 250 bucks because the seller didn't know what he sells there so he had really cool stuff there. 42:47.855 --> 42:49.856 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah machine vices are very expensive. 42:50.577 --> 42:54.738 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah I heard from the price after I bought it and I owned it for it. 42:54.759 --> 42:59.221 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah you had luck man and I was plenty. 42:59.941 --> 43:05.884 [SPEAKER_05]: You have to be fast when you saw something you have to go there and and buy it. 43:06.404 --> 43:19.357 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I'm dreaming in future from a bigger shop and maybe switching or canceled them the main shop and trying it to make it full-time life making. 43:20.718 --> 43:23.981 [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah, but that's future. 43:25.102 --> 43:27.124 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know if this really happens. 43:27.625 --> 43:30.027 [SPEAKER_04]: In that full-time, what are you doing for your main job? 43:30.432 --> 43:34.994 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, actually I'm 10 years at the police in Austria. 43:35.815 --> 43:38.916 [SPEAKER_05]: So, um, I'm a police officer. 43:40.116 --> 43:41.257 [SPEAKER_05]: Ah, yeah. 43:41.577 --> 43:41.877 [SPEAKER_05]: I know. 43:42.077 --> 43:42.858 [SPEAKER_05]: I know everything. 43:42.878 --> 43:43.098 [SPEAKER_05]: Keep. 43:44.078 --> 43:44.738 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sure you do. 43:46.679 --> 43:49.261 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, um, I'm in a prison. 43:49.681 --> 43:50.541 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, police prison. 43:51.401 --> 43:52.382 [SPEAKER_05]: And yeah. 43:52.842 --> 43:55.042 [SPEAKER_05]: So, I'm not on the street, you don't see me. 43:56.323 --> 43:59.903 [SPEAKER_05]: It's at a part of the police. 44:00.564 --> 44:10.806 [SPEAKER_05]: And I have much free time because we have these working days with 24 hours, so we are 24 hours in the prison. 44:11.666 --> 44:13.646 [SPEAKER_05]: And so I have more days free time. 44:14.686 --> 44:18.327 [SPEAKER_05]: And I go then, mostly after 24 hours, 44:22.808 --> 44:34.698 [SPEAKER_05]: When the prison is sleeping, you also can sleep a little time and so you come home when you can go to workshop and do your stuff and so have plenty of time. 44:35.699 --> 44:42.245 [SPEAKER_05]: But next year they want to cancel the 24 hours and making in 12 hours. 44:51.352 --> 44:57.936 [SPEAKER_05]: And I spent too much money, too, to, to, to don't do anything with this machine. 44:57.956 --> 44:59.077 [SPEAKER_05]: So we're with my workshop. 44:59.637 --> 45:01.038 [SPEAKER_05]: So I would cancel. 45:01.118 --> 45:02.499 [SPEAKER_04]: It's big plans to spend a lot more. 45:02.839 --> 45:03.219 [SPEAKER_04]: Sounds like. 45:03.239 --> 45:04.820 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah. 45:05.821 --> 45:07.182 [SPEAKER_05]: That's, that's the way. 45:08.282 --> 45:11.905 [SPEAKER_04]: So since we're all talking about knives and stuff in your own prison, we gotta, we gotta know. 45:13.265 --> 45:16.547 [SPEAKER_04]: You find some crazy hand made knives, give the guys tips. 45:18.825 --> 45:44.120 [SPEAKER_05]: Now, they only made something with twoish graphs, and I saw this, I only noticed from the real prison, because it's only the police prison, we have not these prisoners who are years over years at my station or something, so only I think the most is 42 days, and here. 45:44.680 --> 45:59.205 [SPEAKER_05]: They are normal guys mostly mostly Every village has some guy who is a little bit different and these guys are at our station normally You don't have to tell Keith that he knows that I'm a little different here. 45:59.225 --> 46:06.548 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah No, I had when I first got out of school for the ignition my boss was did the same thing he 46:07.228 --> 46:23.933 [SPEAKER_04]: Had a small company I think that was like five of us working for him and he he worked at a prison and did 24 hours shifts and a lot of times who would tell a story is about stuff But some high security prisons so the people that were in there were in there for a much longer sentences So they got more time to be creative. 46:24.473 --> 46:34.696 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, they are creative really and they are like like little children You have to you you have to say everything what they have to do and yeah, it's 46:37.357 --> 46:56.543 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not too easy to work with these people or to work there and seeing the people every day and doing the stuff or seeing what they do or how they are and something, but it's yeah, it's cool. 46:57.504 --> 47:00.905 [SPEAKER_05]: You have every day a nice story to tell the people. 47:02.685 --> 47:03.186 [SPEAKER_05]: But I can't. 47:04.918 --> 47:05.759 [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, I'm not supposed to. 47:05.799 --> 47:15.991 [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, but that must give you a good insight into being a little reading to reading people for like when you do a knife shows or making sales and stuff like that is defined it easier to kind of 47:17.288 --> 47:35.898 [SPEAKER_05]: read a person quicker um i don't know if it's um four cells but yeah it's definitely um definitely something you'll learn there um so last week i was um 47:37.858 --> 48:01.368 [SPEAKER_05]: with my girlfriend, with some party and there were much people and I check every people so it's something you also you can't you have it in you to to check these people and but for sales it's it's difficult you see the people maybe I 48:06.551 --> 48:09.894 [SPEAKER_05]: I want to speak something else, but yeah, it's not so easy. 48:09.914 --> 48:12.637 [SPEAKER_05]: In the prison I'm, it's something I started. 48:13.357 --> 48:26.310 [SPEAKER_05]: I see the people and you have 10, 20 seconds to say hello in an art, you can break groove this and you, and he's friendly or something, yeah. 48:26.690 --> 48:35.915 [SPEAKER_05]: So I think about 95% where I have no problems with the people, how I be there and how I speak with them. 48:37.295 --> 48:40.317 [SPEAKER_05]: But at the sales attempt now, that's difficult. 48:40.377 --> 48:45.399 [SPEAKER_05]: It's on every show, different and the people 48:46.660 --> 48:48.200 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm on a lot of Christmas market. 48:49.221 --> 48:56.702 [SPEAKER_05]: I did it since I'm 15 years old, so about 17 years, every year Christmas market. 48:57.283 --> 49:11.546 [SPEAKER_05]: Last year I was about 19 days Christmas market and it's yeah, that's also not easy to speak all over the time the same and explain the people about 49:13.137 --> 49:22.981 [SPEAKER_05]: And I'm mostly also forging there, forging the little stuff, what lobness and something else that the people have something to see. 49:23.881 --> 49:31.344 [SPEAKER_05]: So I would need one or two guys more to speak about knives and somebody's forging. 49:31.404 --> 49:36.326 [SPEAKER_05]: And so, yeah, checking up people, yeah, definitely at any less of mind. 49:36.346 --> 49:41.048 [SPEAKER_04]: So do you ever run into people at the Christmas market that you were in the prison? 49:42.091 --> 49:42.391 [SPEAKER_05]: with you. 49:44.172 --> 49:44.432 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 49:45.192 --> 49:45.452 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 49:46.652 --> 49:47.172 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 49:47.332 --> 49:48.172 [SPEAKER_05]: I met them everywhere. 49:49.513 --> 49:50.173 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know why. 49:51.373 --> 49:54.094 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm like a magnet to see the people I can. 49:54.934 --> 49:55.954 [SPEAKER_05]: Also my free time. 49:56.734 --> 49:59.015 [SPEAKER_05]: And they always, oh, hi, Mr. 49:59.035 --> 49:59.575 [SPEAKER_05]: Officer. 49:59.675 --> 50:01.115 [SPEAKER_05]: And hi, hi. 50:01.956 --> 50:03.876 [SPEAKER_05]: And you speak a little bit with them. 50:04.176 --> 50:07.657 [SPEAKER_05]: But at Christmas market, they're normally they are tracked. 50:08.117 --> 50:08.217 [SPEAKER_05]: And 50:12.618 --> 50:20.723 [SPEAKER_05]: But yeah, it's okay, they are not some criminals normally. 50:20.963 --> 50:26.446 [SPEAKER_05]: They are only some a little bit different to the guys, you know, normally. 50:27.186 --> 50:28.467 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's okay. 50:29.828 --> 50:33.470 [SPEAKER_05]: You can also have a lot of fun with them in the work, so it's cool. 50:34.529 --> 50:40.510 [SPEAKER_04]: So, is there any new projects or anything you've got in the works? 50:40.570 --> 50:46.932 [SPEAKER_04]: I know Nitro Austria is coming up, but you enter your knife again, or a knife again for Nitro Austria. 50:49.153 --> 50:55.054 [SPEAKER_05]: I thought about it, because I made this cook for for Solingen. 50:55.714 --> 51:14.847 [SPEAKER_05]: and I thought about it, but in fact I'm a guy who don't make a knife and give it more times to a show, so the cook is done for me, for knife show, for knife show, maybe I give it in 51:26.114 --> 51:31.999 [SPEAKER_05]: I did this little tool and the last tool for for the award. 51:33.680 --> 51:41.166 [SPEAKER_05]: It was a part of the knife and I think that didn't pack it out from the packaging. 51:41.286 --> 51:41.927 [SPEAKER_05]: I sent them. 51:42.948 --> 51:47.331 [SPEAKER_05]: So I said to me, okay for 51:54.556 --> 52:08.282 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know what I want to do, but there are some categories more this year, I think best of the rest or something, and I will try something again, yeah, I have to... 52:09.522 --> 52:10.182 [SPEAKER_05]: I have to, yeah. 52:11.063 --> 52:20.388 [SPEAKER_05]: Martin said I have to, um, yeah, I have to because I have the title and I will try it to defend it now. 52:20.889 --> 52:21.849 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, keep it. 52:22.550 --> 52:23.250 [SPEAKER_05]: But I don't know. 52:23.350 --> 52:26.052 [SPEAKER_05]: There are a lot of more guys this this year. 52:27.293 --> 52:29.074 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, I don't know. 52:29.634 --> 52:37.298 [SPEAKER_05]: For about some dagger or something else, yeah, but there would be nice to have the press or something or the power hammer, 52:38.439 --> 52:38.719 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 52:39.920 --> 52:50.827 [SPEAKER_05]: In fact, with the cook, I was really from the machines on the, as I think more is not going with these machines, I use not now. 52:51.227 --> 52:56.731 [SPEAKER_05]: So I have to wait for Brass or for the, for the right-hand 53:04.001 --> 53:19.702 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, well I think probably you wanted to know what kind of heat treating oven you're using I'm probably doesn't know what they what they're used now after the knife share In Austria last year I bought 53:21.251 --> 53:28.016 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's your turn, you can't do, I have the kills from 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54:45.480 --> 54:46.841 [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, you want it hard? 54:47.641 --> 54:49.842 [SPEAKER_05]: I get a mini hell. 54:50.503 --> 54:58.408 [SPEAKER_05]: So, well, Pauli, Pauli, I have one and the first kill I had, I sold it, I sold it because 54:59.368 --> 55:08.735 [SPEAKER_05]: It needs, I think, more than the double time to go to the heat I need, so it's an amazing kill. 55:08.995 --> 55:18.421 [SPEAKER_05]: I would never, and also the price was great, so I can only proof that for everybody to buy one of these. 55:19.502 --> 55:34.500 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think I also was interested in an even heat, but they're cost doubled over more and I don't know if this standing for, but I'm really glad to have one of these. 55:35.000 --> 55:39.962 [SPEAKER_03]: So cool and they are so pretty easy to maintain and also cheaper and the name is so cool. 55:40.062 --> 55:57.708 [SPEAKER_03]: It's not like even hit Unless even hit consider to sponsor Mini hell how cool is that how cool is that so yeah, yeah, yeah easy maintenance cheap rice good quality It takes every box and it's an European product even he's an American product, right? 55:57.768 --> 56:02.930 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to get them over here just like two distributors from in for even he's over here 56:03.605 --> 56:09.991 [SPEAKER_01]: And in the U.S., they're pretty affordable, even he kills, but over here, they're like twice the price. 56:10.452 --> 56:15.196 [SPEAKER_04]: And you're not only that, but the parts in availability, so that you can repair it yourself. 56:15.216 --> 56:17.198 [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's great having locally. 56:17.358 --> 56:22.744 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's, most of the parts are, I think almost all of them, you can't get over here as well. 56:22.964 --> 56:26.968 [SPEAKER_01]: Like thermocouples and coins and stuff, that's just standard parts. 56:27.588 --> 56:47.758 [SPEAKER_03]: But still I mean if if the even heat costs like twice as much and and and in Miniel you can choose one face three face And remember for the maintenance you don't have to buy even you buy the coils you get the inside bricks So it's like a fresh new kill 20 minute job to change it out Apparently never had to do it online. 56:48.058 --> 56:50.659 [SPEAKER_03]: I had it for like what six seven years. 56:51.219 --> 56:52.380 [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know so it's a lot 56:52.560 --> 56:54.942 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, I think that was a pretty good show. 56:54.962 --> 57:03.047 [SPEAKER_04]: Marco, why don't you tell us where we can find your knives, do you have any available all the time, a website or somewhere where people can get ahold of you. 57:04.047 --> 57:04.988 [SPEAKER_05]: I haven't website, yes. 57:06.829 --> 57:13.833 [SPEAKER_05]: www.mastershmedegadavitch.com. 57:14.034 --> 57:16.275 [SPEAKER_04]: I'll put that in the show notes and stuff on. 57:16.731 --> 57:25.035 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it's, I think my name is always difficult, so thank you for spending it right. 57:25.075 --> 57:28.057 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, also on the shows. 57:28.557 --> 57:29.777 [SPEAKER_05]: You saw it on Solingen. 57:29.937 --> 57:34.600 [SPEAKER_05]: It was got to which without the S at the end. 57:34.760 --> 57:34.980 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 57:35.140 --> 57:39.022 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's always the same, but I'm spelling my name every day. 57:39.222 --> 57:40.402 [SPEAKER_05]: So it for me, it's okay. 57:41.743 --> 57:47.689 [SPEAKER_04]: Well, uh, I have to be honest, I searched and then copy and paste it in name because I knew I was going to make a mess it up. 57:47.709 --> 57:48.970 [SPEAKER_04]: I'm bad with names. 57:49.790 --> 57:50.871 [SPEAKER_05]: Now it's all listed same. 57:51.012 --> 57:52.353 [SPEAKER_05]: So it's okay for me. 57:52.913 --> 57:55.616 [SPEAKER_05]: And I've, uh, Martin also told me a nice show. 57:55.996 --> 58:02.482 [SPEAKER_05]: He wanted to, to shout me out for the for the price because he knows nobody from the other guys would spell my name. 58:02.762 --> 58:03.503 [SPEAKER_05]: Um, right. 58:03.583 --> 58:04.684 [SPEAKER_05]: So he said it. 58:07.126 --> 58:17.055 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, you can see there more of my work and also on Instagram with message media garbage. 58:17.555 --> 58:20.858 [SPEAKER_05]: They are the actual knives, what I made. 58:21.639 --> 58:27.024 [SPEAKER_05]: They are more of my actual work because it's not so easy for me to. 58:27.464 --> 58:33.489 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not the computer guys, so it's hard for me to do some pictures on my website. 58:33.810 --> 58:34.030 [SPEAKER_05]: So. 58:35.062 --> 58:35.403 [SPEAKER_04]: awesome. 58:35.443 --> 58:38.452 [SPEAKER_04]: So all the listeners should go check them out if you haven't heard of them. 58:39.113 --> 58:43.325 [SPEAKER_04]: And you can see his work in person this year at National Austria, right? 58:43.490 --> 59:11.240 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I'm not sure I'm sure I will be there and probably also, all right, all right, yeah, all right, all right, all 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