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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's time that the world gets to know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now it begins.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now it begins.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, this is, I believe my third episode, recording this week my second time recording with Evan Turner, former number two overall traffic, Nate Smith College basketball player the year 10 year NBA veteran and the exact right guy to talk about the one topic that we're going to get it to on this show and that is the seismic move.
[SPEAKER_02]: that the Boston Celtics have made dealing Jalen Brown to the Philadelphia 76.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, the particulars of this deal, Evan, which have not gone over well in Boston to say the least.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, that's the deal, found.
[SPEAKER_02]: In exchange for Paul George,
[SPEAKER_02]: two first round draft picks one in twenty twenty eight one in twenty thirty one and two second round picks the twenty twenty eight pick is a little bit convoluted but it's most likely going to be the one conveying from the Los Angeles Clippers the twenty thirty one picks an unprotected Philadelphia pick so I've got so many thoughts I've been writing about it for the last twenty four hours I've been talking about it on the radio I'm glad to be here on our show
[SPEAKER_02]: You hear the news break, Celtics trade Jalen Brown for Paul George and stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, sure reaction.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man, when I first saw it, I just woke up from a nap.
[SPEAKER_03]: So my phone was blowing up.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then I saw like Jalen and I'm pulled.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, bro, I don't want to see that shit.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like in my head.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, ah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Damn, you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, I'm not a big fan of Philly, but this will really put them over the top, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, that's the, that's the, that's the, that's the I.T.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I'm not gonna lie to you.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then like, when you go to the Paul George situation,
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously there's still somebody in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Paul is a great third option for a team if he shows up that way And we're all realistic with how we approach them because obviously Paul is going on now at this point 30 What's he 36?
[SPEAKER_03]: 36 to just turn 36.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe so
[SPEAKER_03]: He's getting older.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's played a lot of games.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's played a lot of ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think when it came down to Philadelphia, he came down to the Clippers when he's battling injuries and everything like that, people were expecting to have to beat a first option or MVP level that he was at seven or eight years ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I believe that they put the team together and they really believe what they've been hearing in regards to, hey, Derek White was the second best.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that was a wow, you know, story, but I think Paul George is still being a very great third, third option who can shoot the ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you keep him healthy, you'll be able to do multiple different lineups with them from ranging from being, you know, small ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the five man, because he can switch who knows if he can physically handle it.
[SPEAKER_03]: but also very least played a four in attack you from different angles and put as many ball handlers and playmakers out there as possible.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just see how that was coming from it, but I mean, I think in this sense, you know, Philly got what they wanted and, you know, I never go against a great brass div and so I'm a trusted guidance, but uh, it was a unique situation definitely a different type of trade and what I thought and when it comes down to the NBA
[SPEAKER_03]: Cinema.
[SPEAKER_03]: It definitely took me for a doozy.
[SPEAKER_03]: What do you think?
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to trust his guidance he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't go against friends.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, no, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, who is the one driving the car and thumb in the weeds?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the other one trusted the guidance with him which straight off the cliff.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a, we're Brad, I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're Brad, I'm doing it.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: you just like you you just talked yourself into a pretzel trying to make make a reasonable case that Paul George can be a reasonable facsimile of jail and brown that he could be a good fit.
[SPEAKER_02]: in this team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, okay, if this was 2016, I'm all in baby 26 year old Paul George, Paul George has played 78 games over the last two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I talked to some people in Boston about
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the basketball reasons and some people have pointed to that playoff series, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Repal George balled out against the Celtics in the first row played great, but you know what we have to factor into that, Paul George had a league mandated 25 game suspension before that series started.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know this Evan you played the game for 10 years if you're sitting on a beach for two months And you're hopping into a playoff series and you're playing against a guy in jail and brown and a team in Boston That has been scrapping for every win all season long You've got an inherited badge Paul George look I was talking to some coaches about this like Paul George is a jumpshooter now
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he has.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't have the legs anymore to be a go to the basket guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He may be is a serviceable kind of foreman defender on your team.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is not a good deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Evan, this is not a good deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to make you drop kick Brad Stevens here.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll do the drop kicking in this case for you.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this is not a good deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you have
[SPEAKER_02]: This goes, it needs to be said, a 29-year-old, multi-time All-NBA swing man, who is coming off the best season of his career, who's under contract for three more years, and you just traded him for Paul George and two first-round draft picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best you could do.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the best off from the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: If it was Evan, that old, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kenny Rogers lied no went to hold them no went to fold them walk away from the table fellas walk away from the table if you're best offer is Paul George and two first round draft picks walk away from the table because you know what else is coming
[SPEAKER_02]: Jalen Brown into the garden twice a year for the next like five years like you think that Jalen Brown is not going to be trying to go for a 50 every time He plays the Celtics and holding JT to five when he plays the Celtics like there is nothing I like about this deal now I I would say
[SPEAKER_02]: There's probably a decent chance that they take some of this draft capital to do something else with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I wrote about trade Murphy, I think that's somebody very much on their radar right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good player in New Orleans, 40% three-point shooter.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he'd be a nice fit on this Celtics team.
[SPEAKER_02]: But right now, you just traded jail and round for Paul George.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you did, and two first round draft picks.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you did.
[SPEAKER_02]: You are never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.
[SPEAKER_02]: Gonna convince me that this deal makes them better.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not a basketball deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Full stop.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a basketball deal.
[SPEAKER_03]: The Chris, you said it, baby.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I did say that the sixers did get better, correct?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they can I be a nerd as a person that hates analytics, but can I bring out analytics?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: You looked at the numbers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me go a step further and say if you could believe it or not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Celtics culture is somewhat could be resemblance to like a heat culture where, hey, this is a system.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is what we do here.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you look at the numbers from the past and the games they played without Jaylin Brown, they're at a 70% win clip and the games they played without Jason Tatum, even though I think he's one of the best players in the world, they went second in the East.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think to a certain extent we're doing numbers and of course we're going to face this.
[SPEAKER_03]: You
[SPEAKER_03]: I got a damn Porsche, but when you sit there...
[SPEAKER_03]: Wait, who's the Porsche?
[SPEAKER_03]: Who's the Porsche's context?
[SPEAKER_03]: Paul George.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're calling Paul George a Porsche?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an honorable thing to do, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, the Porsche's going for $100,000.
[SPEAKER_03]: So my friend's got Porsche's on my eye out of hell, did you get that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, type of thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: A Porsche's still eye, I didn't call him a charger, but I'm saying in general, we're close to a charger at this point at a Porsche.
[SPEAKER_03]: What the hell is that Bear Chris?
[SPEAKER_02]: He, look, I actually really like Paul George.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've done many stories on him in the past.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he has been a great player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Indiana, he was a great player.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oklahoma City, he was a great player.
[SPEAKER_02]: The end in LA, he was an all star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but he's played 78 games in two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's had he's got a bad knee.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got a bad knee So like what are you gonna do?
[SPEAKER_02]: Load managed this guy to route their course of the season?
[SPEAKER_02]: Hope he gets to the playoffs and like when he gets to the playoffs Respectfully Paul George the numbers ain't great, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: He the numbers play play off p FB is not a thing so I just that was a wild nickname to give you a so
[SPEAKER_03]: And then no one you never hit no shots in the clutch at one point on my bro you So you know how many times you went to the huddle they drew to play up for you in the first six years That shit never went in and you were like walking around like Mr.
[SPEAKER_03]: Clutch or play off.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is crazy
[SPEAKER_02]: Did he call himself playoffie right before Dame like hit that like 40 footer and that series against the ball?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it might have been that when I think it might have been that one, but it's granted.
[SPEAKER_03]: I did see some stuff where he in the playoffs and I played with the Pacers he did go off, but when I'm saying with with the Celtic when you have to move forward just like this this past year you have to get more you know,
[SPEAKER_03]: unique with your lineup, your matchups and how you're going to approach the game.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I think in this instance compared to last all season, the self-desiring can completely better position.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I believe they can move up, they'll have a healthy Jason Tatum, I definitely think Brad has to do something with those extra picks to see if you can, you know, maturity way into something.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean,
[SPEAKER_03]: They could be a top four seed regardless.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's going to be hard to win a championship in general.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying, but I believe what adjacent to you, the culture they have, the system that they have, they're always in a position to win it.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're my personal opinion.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not even like winning all but being like, hey, after this past year, it becomes a system that comes to culture.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they've been won 70% against without JB.
[SPEAKER_03]: That has to add up to something.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the trade is, no, it does.
[SPEAKER_03]: The trade is terrible.
[SPEAKER_03]: The trade is an ideal on paper.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't let me get that wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm saying, when we come back here, it's like, why would they do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: They're like, hey, this is an analytics situation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Your man, Mike Zairn probably came in and said, yo, I'm not blaming Brad Stevens.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm blaming Michael Zairn.
[SPEAKER_03]: Michael Zairn walked into that office and told him,
[SPEAKER_03]: when you do jailing brown accolades that he's done probably we should trade them and this is the best deal and it's a bunch of other nurse like you're right all those all those analytic numbers you can take those analytic numbers and shove them exactly what you need to I have no use this is that bad
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just looking.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care that the analytics say the Celtics 170% of their games without jail.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that they wouldn't have won a championship without jail and Brown as the conference finals MVP and the finals MVP.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know without jail and Brown, they wouldn't have won 56 games last year with a front court that they couldn't wait to blow up this offseason.
[SPEAKER_02]: jail and Brown is a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jalen Brown is a borderline superstar now.
[SPEAKER_02]: We can get into the other stuff because I didn't think there was a level of toxicity there and obviously this toxicity was too much for the Celtics to want to continue with.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now this is the other part of it that maybe as a player you can get into like Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum,
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've written about it many times.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're never going to be best friends, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: They're two very different people.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jalen Brown is, you know, holding, you know, these meetings in Beverly Hills with political leaders and going on marches where Jason Tatum has kind of lived his life.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying one is better than the other, but that's just kind of who they are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Up until this point,
[SPEAKER_02]: There has been really no reason to mess with that because they have been successful.
[SPEAKER_02]: Six conference finals with these two guys playing in the last 10 years, two NBA Finals of Championship.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is a hell of a run.
[SPEAKER_02]: That is the kind of run that whether people want to hear it or not, that's getting Jason Jalen Brown's numbers up on the rafters.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's getting up on the rafters.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going up on the rafters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you think now?
[SPEAKER_02]: Why didn't the breaking point was now because like if Jalen Brown had like twisted his knee in game 82 of the regular season Like do you think we'd be here if we didn't have that playoff run if you didn't go on twitch and call it his favorite season If we didn't have all the kind of stuff that came out after the year because it sure seems like the Celtics
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not just looking to deal jail and brown for a great player.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's seem like it was.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were looking to deal jail and brown period.
[SPEAKER_02]: Why do you think we got to this point where they broke up the two big stars?
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm always speaking in tooth right conspiracy theory.
[SPEAKER_03]: One, it could have been
[SPEAKER_03]: Jalen asked to be moved because I don't understand why else you would trade.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can tell you his people in his camp have told me explicitly you did not ask to be moved.
[SPEAKER_02]: I did not ask for a threat.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was in two years.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got in a pretty soon.
[SPEAKER_03]: I got a given that two year 142 million dollar extension Well, that's the thing too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you don't you don't have to do that right?
[SPEAKER_02]: He was eligible for that this summer in fact I think it's insane It would have been insane if everything was perfect it would have been saying to give him a two-year stetion What he has three years left on his contract like what like the sixers did that with Joel and Beat how that work out for them?
[SPEAKER_02]: not well.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think that stuff is kind of bit of a red-haring to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit smoking mirrors like I don't I don't think that would have been so disruptive.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't give him a two-year extension.
[SPEAKER_02]: What he already had, I think $180 million coming to him with the next three.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't really have an answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't have an answer.
[SPEAKER_03]: I've been close enough to JB, just working with him a little bit.
[SPEAKER_03]: And knowing him, there's nothing that really overly rubs you to wrong way besides he has his opinion.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like you know what I mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's going to be who he's going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's better than him being at a book club and a strip club.
[SPEAKER_03]: You understand I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think when you start coming down to it as well,
[SPEAKER_03]: The same way, I guess quote unquote, if it becomes toxicity, you have to check how you how you approach every situation, I think everybody else has to read line how they approach the situation with him as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, this is Jaylon Brown, one of the biggest stars in the world, probably one of the biggest sports figures in the world as well.
[SPEAKER_03]: Aside from what he does on the court, who he is, outside the court, and what he stands for morally.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't knock him for having a voice of making sure he doesn't have a glass ceiling, but then at the same time, I think when it comes down to it, I mean, I talked to Tate on the other dance so you know, regardless, this is one of the best duels that we've seen in a long, long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, to correlate it, even if you got traded or vice versa, like they sent back four or five pits and like a city crime, like it's going to take five or six of him to replace, like five or six people to replace one of them.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's just like figuratively.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's how great it was.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's not cool.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not fun.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think he's very like,
[SPEAKER_03]: He felt the certainty of the way about it too, but I'm like, y'all regardless of which are one of the best duos that you are just starting your own.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when you know this, Evan, when duose brick up too early and they leave stuff on the table, how often a decade later, 20 years later, do we see them get back together as a man?
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish we could have made it work, or I wish we had more time together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Shack and cobe are the most obvious example of it, but there are many others where it's like, I wish we were more
[SPEAKER_02]: We could have handled it better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say more mature because they're both older guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I wish we could have handled it better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder if we have that kind of conference.
[SPEAKER_02]: I want to ask you about Tatum though, because Tatum, like in 2024, after the Celtics won their championship, I spent some time with Tatum for cover story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I talked to Tatum about kind of all the stuff that J.B. had gone through, like because every year he was in trade rumors.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was like two years before then, it was the Kevin Durant stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it was the AD stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then it was the Kawai stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he said to me at the time, he said, I wish I had spoken up more in support of him back then.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's me.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I wish I had spoken up more.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I bring that up now, because as we taped this, we have not heard from Jason Tatum.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would imagine, as the Celtics franchise player, that Jason Tatum could have stood in front of this, that Jason Tatum could have said something about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: how do you interpret that at all is this something you think Jason Tatum could have stopped is this something you think Jason Tatum should have stopped?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is this something you think Jason Tatum might regret not stopping 10 years from now when their old man not at the league?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think obviously Jason probably could have stopped that I guess but at the same time Jason
[SPEAKER_03]: It's minus his business, he likes people do their job.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think one thing that you have to take, you can't take away from is a pros pro and how they work on and what they do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Jason works at his craft, seven to eight hours a day.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a confident individual.
[SPEAKER_03]: I believe that he has as much faith as a guy who starts coaching us a rookie and then moving forward into the front office if he does anybody else.
[SPEAKER_03]: So out of words, sit here and say, like, yeah, he should have ran to the office and did this in a third.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's never really been his thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: As you know, a story of these never really been overly outspoken, you know what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's not just any sense in good moments, bad moments related to JB or even related to Joe Masula.
[SPEAKER_03]: He hasn't come out and done anything or overly said anything or gotten outside his box.
[SPEAKER_03]: He always saw what stays in his ring.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: I guess that meant it's one of best duels ever.
[SPEAKER_03]: Am I wrong or saying it?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's from where they're able to come to to now what they're able to do firepower and just showing what they're going to do separately.
[SPEAKER_03]: As a reason why you ask for four or five picks for one or another, it's going to take five people to replace this one individual.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, one thing I do can't bring in that
[SPEAKER_03]: might be a lot of time for for the both of them is to take the next step of evolving that only as players but as men and franchise individuals.
[SPEAKER_03]: They've always somewhat had each other leaning up against each other's shoulder and being like, hey, this is an amazing insurance card that I love.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm a big dog.
[SPEAKER_03]: Take the training wheels off.
[SPEAKER_03]: I might not need it anymore.
[SPEAKER_03]: The same way J.D.
[SPEAKER_03]: is screaming.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want my own kingdom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Are you shit, like Jason could have two or three of the P's right now and that's saying because of JP, but he's always had teens where he's had to separate himself and like let me hurry up and go get my 26, so everybody else can go get their numbers.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you're looking at two other top 10 players, Jason's a top 5 player, two top 10 players and the world trying to figure out their own thing is saying already.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there was anything negative.
[SPEAKER_03]: or anything that we don't understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like, hey, it's time to move on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to see what the other side of the door is like.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that could quite possibly be it.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't know that duo, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like I said, it's one of my favorite duo is they've been in a lot of battles.
[SPEAKER_03]: The wins they had just even in the postseason is just unbelievable.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think one day I'll sit back and lie, man, I was dope, you're able to do that.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's always been a friendly rivalry between these two guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Celtic's coaches years ago used to joke with me about how the toughest months or the month for them was January because that's when Tatum and Brian were both trying to make the all-star.
[SPEAKER_02]: And both trying to prove their value as a starter and all the accolades that go on when and there was a lot of your turn, my turn, stuff.
[SPEAKER_02]: that went on in that month.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now that evolved over the years, they got mature, they got poor accomplished, like Tatum's now an automatic starter, Brown is an automatic all-star one way or the other.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's always been that, that it's not even attention, it's just like a friendly rivalry between the two.
[SPEAKER_02]: The question I have and the question I'd ask Brad Stevens, the question I'd ask people internally is what has changed
[SPEAKER_02]: over the last two years to bring them to this point where they're willing to accept 40, 50 cents on the dollar in exchange for jail and brown.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now if they had gone out and taken jail and brown who had maximized his value this year was all NBA second team, best year of his career, 6th in MVP, riding high.
[SPEAKER_02]: If they had gone out and sold high on him,
[SPEAKER_02]: I could understand that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We saw, in for another example, La Mellow Ball get traded for Charlotte.
[SPEAKER_02]: They sold high on La Mellow Ball coming off the year that he had.
[SPEAKER_02]: The Celtics sold low on Jalen Brown.
[SPEAKER_02]: And your love affair with Paul George aside, they sold low on Jalen Brown.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just would love to know.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know if you have any inside any of this, but I would love to know.
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of what changed over the last two years.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it the aftermath of the injury?
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it that they felt that Brown was never going to be happy?
[SPEAKER_02]: Going back to kind of that role that he had before, Jason Godhert, like something E.T.
[SPEAKER_02]: changed within this organization.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something fundamental changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would love to know a honest answer to that from them.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, me too, uh, usually I would bullshit and act like I did it, no, but I really, I don't, I really, I really, when I woke up yesterday Even up to that point, I was like, I just didn't, I didn't, I don't know, maybe I'm too close.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just didn't, I, I, I, I would love to know to.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really I don't know, man.
[SPEAKER_03]: I really don't, I really don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: I, I know, like I said, I trust in what Brad's going to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, because it has to be something bigger than this.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, do you understand what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: Pass to be hashed.
[SPEAKER_03]: It has to, it has to be, like, that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, there gotta be some 16 year old that's supposed to be unreal walking the streets.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, who, like, that 20, 28 pic, like, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: But has to be something bigger, good for Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think in general, this is going to be a good team the other way around.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Jayland Brown's personality mixed in with, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been out for that Tyre's Max.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to let's get into that briefly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get to that here at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do want to say one more thing though, but the South X has been, and I'm not standing in front of a billionaire here, but I don't believe that money played a role in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think this is the case of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't believe that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, well, because, I mean, practically speaking, it doesn't play a role in this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like Paul George,
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, your favorite player has one of the worst contracts in the NBA.
[SPEAKER_02]: He does.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's got two years and $110 million left of his contract.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, they don't be real.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's a bad contract.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you're you're really only looking at the the final year of Jalen Brown's deal as being, you know, the extra there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not about money at least and look all the cuts they made last year they should have made those cuts because they weren't a championship team That thought Tatum is gonna be out for the year.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're from what I understand from good sources This is not a money thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're still willing to spend money whenever they need to spend money.
[SPEAKER_02]: This was for whatever reason a Basketball Related decision, but there's gotta be something else to come train Murphy somebody else is gonna be something else because
[SPEAKER_02]: This team got worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: It got worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there's any denying that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It got worse in flipping Jalen Brown for Jason for Paul George and if they can get another piece, maybe we can have a different conversation down the line.
[SPEAKER_02]: No spill it out on the side of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Go ahead.
[SPEAKER_03]: Let me just say the honorable Andy managed to serve as better.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's my brother.
[SPEAKER_02]: I got to go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Every time I'm happy, I wonder what Andy did.
[SPEAKER_03]: My poor Andy, that's what I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god, Andy.
[SPEAKER_02]: my poor brother raising his kid, just try to get by with his life on on the Philadelphia side of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of touched on it and I think we're on the same page on this one.
[SPEAKER_02]: The six has got better.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now the six has had a three-headed monster of prime or almost prime stars on the perimeter.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got Tyre's Maxi and established all star, Jalen Brown, established all NBA.
[SPEAKER_02]: Two all NBA players, Maxi was 13.
[SPEAKER_02]: last year and V. J. Edgham will look like he's on that kind of trajectory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Looks like he's a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, Joell and Beat is kind of a luxury.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like you still need him to go out there and play and be a rebounder, bit of a defender, but you no longer need him to be a 30 plus minute per game guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: He should be on the Victor Wembanyama system.
[SPEAKER_02]: from now on 25 minute per game limit period.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do not go over that.
[SPEAKER_02]: No back to backs.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just roll them up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: You've got some backup pieces there.
[SPEAKER_02]: They signed Dean Wade.
[SPEAKER_02]: It thought that was a good sign in his team.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Dean Wade's a winner.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a winning guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like he's been important.
[SPEAKER_02]: do what they do in Philadelphia.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the 76ers look you have to see it play out on the court.
[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously nothing gets done on paper, but they've got the firepower man to be the biggest threat to New York in the Eastern Conference next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: I believe that.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what do you think of the mix and Philly?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the mix is really good because now you're adding a winner.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're adding you have a you know winning coach, but then you're actually adding a winner with a lot of experience and somebody that's able to bring their personality over and like I said prior to the biggest the biggest problem back in the past couple of years is the identity of the Philadelphia 76ers was that of Joel and beat.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it starts slowly switching to Tyre's Maxi when you start seeing things start getting serious, but it was more important because of availability.
[SPEAKER_03]: No matter what, if the disease is not available for only 25 games a year, then the team doesn't know who they are.
[SPEAKER_03]: You understand what I'm saying?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think they'll be a very good team with Jaylin Brown showing up and dying in the back court.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tyre is maxed to being who he's going to be, VGA Edge combing like you said, adding Dean weight.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's a good defender and a three point shooter from when Joe on beat does play.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the most important thing that they ran into a problem with.
[SPEAKER_03]: was slowly shifting over and being like, hey, we're glad when Joel LnB plays, but none of us know how to play with Joel LnB.
[SPEAKER_03]: You understand I'm saying for the first week or so?
[SPEAKER_03]: Or the play, I'll see how to be like, oh, don't worry, y'all just run.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm a catchup, and you're trying to figure out how to play in the flow at that, I think.
[SPEAKER_03]: When Joel and B does come, come play, they need to make sure they're all going to same accord and have a system where they can be ready to play at a championship level come April, especially when it comes to him, possibly playing maybe 50, 55% of the games.
[SPEAKER_03]: Because that's very, very important, especially when it comes to a guy that demands that much attention.
[SPEAKER_03]: And eventually, you're like, you know, we need to give him a ball.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a cheat code when he gets to ball and you just need to figure out how to play with him.
[SPEAKER_03]: And obviously, I believe, you know, with Jalen Brown, even though he brings his own identity, he's going to have to figure out how to adapt this well and continue to lead that team and has, you know, his great-have weapons, but you got to figure out how to use those weapons and use those weapons to yeastively.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's going to take some time.
[SPEAKER_03]: They got a lot of firepower men and they got some energy over there and I believe that the city personality is going to accept Jalen Brown at a high high level and it's at a sense on and off the court so
[SPEAKER_02]: It's got to be interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: People going to buy tickets for those games that Brown comes to Boston, and I mean, he's 29 years old, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: He is going to be gunning for the South takes for the next four or five years.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is going to be something to watch.
[SPEAKER_03]: On anything I will say that we got to remember two, but I was like, play with the pretty boy if you want.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Jaylin, Jason Tatum, is a bad motherfucker.
[SPEAKER_03]: So if you come and him, like 1,000% and I talk to him,
[SPEAKER_03]: he was given massage later the other stand I'm saying so let's let's remember it's an animal over there too and it's yeah and it looked there there
[SPEAKER_02]: I've talked to people in Tatum's orbit in the aftermath of this, and they're kind of saying the same things that you're sort of intramating here, it's going to be bespoke Tatum next year.
[SPEAKER_02]: There are big believers that Tatum has another level that he can go to, and we'll see that next season.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's not even going to get emotional about it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I watched Tatum get harassed by Marcus Smurke, the whole practice.
[SPEAKER_03]: like 21 years old, margins in his face, clapping in his face and I'm like, bro, I would have been fucked as kid and Tatum's literally laughing in his face.
[SPEAKER_03]: Scores 10 straight buckets, like, this shouldn't, this shouldn't sweet now.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you go adjacent, comprehend who the fuck you going at, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, ask y'all and beat about him.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's his son.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they don't be like, I'm feeling good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Don't do that now, be safe.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's his like stable mate in Drew Handlin, you know, Drew Handlin, that's good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Man or brother, you got to see a difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you got to see a dude who's average in 28, with another dude I was trying to average 30, like about to go crazy and not sweat, watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Alright, gotta be interesting to watch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lot to look forward to next season.
[SPEAKER_02]: Ety, good stuff, man.
[SPEAKER_02]: As always, I always appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Appreciate you.