[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone and welcome to our pre-season special.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, as you guys know, I mentioned that we would be indeed having an interview, a live interview so this is going to be obviously a lot more informal than our usual show, and we're going to be speaking to Tyler and Charlie to Jens who run the podcast believing the bizarre and they're going to be sharing with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: what they deem to be one of the scariest stories they've each had personally and then we'll discuss and then we can tell you all about how to find this show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello Jens, how are you doing today?
[SPEAKER_00]: Great, yeah, thanks for having us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, really good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for having us on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really excited about this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you more than welcome?
[SPEAKER_02]: And Charlie, you've actually, um, sense of stories the show before.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I knew the number in time or season.
[SPEAKER_01]: If I don't, it was, uh, with the story, was it the puppet?
[SPEAKER_01]: It was the one of our saw the puppets in the theater puppet.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, it was terrifying.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it changed my life.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's one of them where the content is so visceral.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do remember, I can't remember it the bait and book.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think when we spoke last time, I said, I remember the story because you do not receive an experience every day that has puppets in a theater.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, essentially like so the stalls came up like the ghost light in the theater the dolls shadows run the ghost light and they chased me out of the theater I tried to shut the door and as I was shutting I was trying to lock it the door was shaking when I got locked it just finally everything stopped Wow, yeah, that's See that's I was called a validator pull for me.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a validator a friend of mine has a similar experience
[SPEAKER_02]: a judo person, and not to show what you would call that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But basically, he went over to the USA.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's friends with Paddy, the baddie, oh yeah, one of the UFC guy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, he lives about two minutes from where I live.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's friends with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he went over to the US with him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very early on, before he actually signed a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was staying in a comedy club.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and because there was nowhere else from to stay and if you stay in there alone for some reason and he could hear a party going on next door and was trying to get asleep and about to in the morning, he thought to himself, you know what, I'm just going to go in and I'll just drink to the morning with these guys and when he went into the room.
[SPEAKER_02]: the lights were off, when it turned them on, the tables were all at the side, there's no one in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you just ran home.
[SPEAKER_02]: But oh, ran, ran somewhere, he knew someone who lived.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But before we move on, do you want to just tell the people about your show and what you guys discuss, and what you're looking to, etc.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we talk about most things paranormal.
[SPEAKER_00]: So cryptids, UFO sightings, aliens, hauntings, possessions.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we also have listener submitted stories, which are some of our favorite, just because they're a little bit more personal.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're the believing the part of believing the bizarre.
[SPEAKER_00]: At the end of every episode, we rate whether or not we find these stories believable.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know Charlie we're talking about listeners of the finale that we just had for the dark parents.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as I mentioned to the listeners, one of our own team didn't believe.
[SPEAKER_02]: the story.
[SPEAKER_02]: And on the very polar opposite, another member of the team, I said they would refuse to listen to the recorded edition after reading it because they had the feeling they're in dovin' so something bad would happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's interesting that you guys rate those stories on a believableity factor after reading them out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm the honest with it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's always hard to do a listener's mission, but we still do what we give our honest reviews.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's as you mean it's hard to rate it low.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it can feel kind of happened very often.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's true, but it's like if you're going to take the time to send us a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: like it would hurt our credibility if every listener's submission was always believable but sometimes you just get them and you're like I appreciate you sadness this.
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe you believe something happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the best way of framing it is like I believe you believe that this happened but I think it could have been.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been told that about my doll stories like people believe that I believe it happened but I swear to God it did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a strange one because that's what we do here with the guys it's like we will
[SPEAKER_02]: they will sift through initially and then we will have like a meet once a week where we'll go around and say right who believes it and if all our hands go up it goes in and if it doesn't it's I like them I used to not use them if it was a split vote I'd say no then just a blanket no and we've now turned it around so that it's a case of okay we'll say to the listeners we're split on this so this is down to you
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's like, what you believe, if you think it's fake, then don't worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the half of our team, if you think it's real, don't worry.
[SPEAKER_02]: So the half of our team.
[SPEAKER_02]: And even with that finale, we have people who've been sending us messages, saying, I believe it, and other people will say, I can see why they think it's fake.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's an interesting thing, just to be a front and say, we don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: So literally, what do you guys think?
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it makes people listen out more for the
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if there's an obvious trope that's just been thrown.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'd like to think we picked that up.
[SPEAKER_02]: I hope we were there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So what's going to happen on this episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then guys is Tala and Charlie as a say are going to read us one of their favorites and scariest experiences.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I said to the
[SPEAKER_02]: just something not genuinely terrified you and then we'll discuss at the end.
[SPEAKER_02]: So who's going to go fast?
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go first.
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't discuss this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you should discuss that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I said you in first one we had Kevin on ours.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I'll actually go first again then.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm hearing.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have no preference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and it's cool like this is a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I summarized it, but it's also like written like a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that cool?
[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, yeah, I mean, the premise, I mean, all I genuinely want from you guys for both me and all listeners because right now, I feel like a listener.
[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I'm kind of excited about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: So however,
[SPEAKER_02]: The only caveat is that it's going to shoot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, got you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I will say also to we are more of a comedy podcast and anything else, just thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just know that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a fun to outline to tell because sometimes, yeah, there's silly stuff out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you get a story and you're just like, there's no humor to bring into this one today.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know so I feel like I should kind of back you guys up there because I did have a full map cast.
[SPEAKER_02]: which, you know, it was a bit more like more levity to it.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why I went the absolute tops at work.
[SPEAKER_02]: So just so all listeners are all, when shows as it's a, a more of a comedy podcast, it's more informal rarely you guys just have, you know, chat some of yourself, don't you?
[SPEAKER_02]: You find humor if it's there, it's not, I don't want all guys to think that it's just, you know, jokes, the whole time, jokes and fart sounds and things like that when it's totally not more into your episodes, yeah exactly, yeah, it's not a case of like to breakfast jokes, it's not nothing like that, it's a serious look by, yeah, two guys just to a friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's difficult to because like we have to identify as a comedy podcast because.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apple just refuses to create a paranormal category.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like, like, is our unnatural sciences and documentary in comedy social or that social commentary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like just make a parent.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's enough of us.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's even a there's an RPG.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's like yeah, have a paranormal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like There's not an RPG category in the library, but there's a paranormal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's not exactly where she goes right out.
[SPEAKER_01]: We should do get a petition from all the panel.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that's on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I'll kind of preface it with this.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I when we saw your email and it was like, hey, pick a story, this one immediately jumped out to me because in our experience, and I'm sure a lot in yours as well from receiving stories is you get the story and you, you know, the creepy moments and the spooky encounters are the highlight and then it's like that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the first few stories that we've ever covered from a listener's submission, where it's like, it really puts you in the place of, what is the person experiencing the haunting actually go through when the hauntings aren't happening?
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how does it affect you emotionally mentally in your day-to-day life?
[SPEAKER_00]: And for that reason, this one is always stuck with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: This one's intense.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this one, I remember when I did this one, I, I took some time
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's really hike this one up.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, as far as I can, it's too afraid to keep listening after me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm totally just kidding.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so this was sent to us by our listener Dan, and it took place in 2012 in Michigan, the state of Michigan.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he was attending Lake Superior State University and decided to move off campus to save money because college is a money suck and his friend Vinnie connected him with a landlord who had an available duplex and it was next to where Vinnie was currently staying his friend Vinnie and rent was still pricey.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dan invited his girlfriend Amy to move in with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the
[SPEAKER_00]: Living together for this semester, what, probably the year I would say.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently Dan was also in an amateur, a paranormal investigation group, so that's just a little bit of background there.
[SPEAKER_00]: An Amy and Vinnie were outright skeptics of the paranormal.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't believe anything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dan and his roommates didn't move in until fall, but Dan checked on the apartment periodically over summer because they still had rights to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And every visit, he immediately just felt this wave of unease when he would walk inside.
[SPEAKER_00]: This feeling of being watched, this feeling like he wasn't alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would lead to these periodic visits in the summer to be pretty brief.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was coming and make sure everything's good and just dip out.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once the roommates all moved in, he said for about six weeks things felt pretty comfortable, but then October of 2012, Amy and Dan returned from a baby shower to find Vinny sitting outside the house in just his boxers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, the bathtub had backed up, and the landlord instructed Vinnie to head to the basement to unclog the drain, and knowing that Dan, the friend Dan, was more mechanically inclined, Vinnie decided to wait for them, and while waiting for them, he heard the front door slam, so he's thinking, okay, they're back their home.
[SPEAKER_00]: But when he goes upstairs, the apartment is completely empty.
[SPEAKER_00]: And thinking that maybe they were outside, he went outside to go check.
[SPEAKER_00]: The door slimmed shut behind him and the door not handle lock and the deadbolt shuts behind him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: see, that's next level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So now back to the perspective of Dan and Amy, they come home.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do check the deadbolt was engaged.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was locked.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so Dan tries to rationalize this as the force of the slamming, maybe from the wind, cause the dead doctor.
[SPEAKER_02]: If I was if I was a skeptic, I could see that, especially if it's
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, I could see why you try and rationalize it in that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just feel like any excuse to that point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, maybe you're a cool story.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've locked it for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So once they unlock the door, they head to the basement on clock the drain.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he describes the basement as a very classic Michigan basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've actually never been to Michigan.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's close to a higher world.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to Michigan one time.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never been to a Michigan basement.
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I probably would've been killed if I had not going to door.
[SPEAKER_00]: May I check your basement?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, is that anything specific about like is am I missing a trickie a beam to me?
[SPEAKER_02]: Is there a thing about Michigan basement?
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is what he designed in a sandwich?
[SPEAKER_00]: He describes it as field stone walls a dirt floor and a single small light bulb near the entrance So it looks like a horror movie.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah horror movie basement, I guess
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't go there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So as they're working on clogged this toilet, they start noticing that they're being pelted by little fragments of gravel.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it first is just an occasional like one piece and then another piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then it escalates to hand folds.
[SPEAKER_00]: of dirt of pellets being thrown at them, and from within the garden inside the basement, inside the basement where they're working on the basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, they're being pelted.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they're ready to leave, they hear this loud bang.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dan looks and he sees his stone the size of a brick on the ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like somebody had hurled this brick size stone at them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's active.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what's interesting is the throwing a gravel is it's a well-documented escalation of Portuguese taxibes, the throwing a gravel is a house somewhere in the UK.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the woman was reported to the police, kids were thrown stones at the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the police ended up waiting outside the house like in a cold attack to catch these kids.
[SPEAKER_02]: and she came out and like said why are you catching them and they were kind of saying no one's been near your house but there was all stones at the bottom of a window where they'd be thrown from seemingly nowhere but oh it's interesting there's thrown a gravel that seems to be a
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I know they're throwing money at me up.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool for some quarters at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the next event took place in November the next month.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amy was starring in a play that weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: and invited out of town friends to watch and spend the night.
[SPEAKER_00]: And after the show, they were just hanging out at the Stuplex drinking, playing board games.
[SPEAKER_00]: Around 1 a.m. they turned it in, so Amy and Dan went to their room, vending with to his room the friends had a pullout couch and living room.
[SPEAKER_00]: And approximately 3 a.m. Amy and Dan were woken up by pounding on their bedroom door, and their friends were just standing there in shock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So their friends tell Amy and Dan that a large shadow figure had shaken them awake in the living room, and they also saw what appeared to be two figures, a man and a woman, arguing violently in the kitchen with the man appearing to strike the woman.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when the friends rushed to the kitchen,
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I forgot about that part.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Vinnie, they checked on Vinnie, and he said that he'd been woken by loud banging in the living room, but was experiencing sleep paralysis.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said it felt like an elephant was sitting on him, and he was really freaked out and disturbed from that.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't say it was sleep paralysis.
[SPEAKER_00]: He said he felt he was being pinned to his bed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming it was, you know, sleep paralysis.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was his, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was his ex.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... so moving on to win a break uh... when they return in January of twenty thirteen they found the apartment in a rough state every window is open the front door was wide open all the lights were on the faucets are running and the thermostat had been cranked to eighty degrees fair and high uh... so they call the police because they're nothing in this moment they're thinking paranormal despite everything else happening i think they're people were in our in our home
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the officers arrive, they find no signs of force entry, no footprints other than the roommates from previous time spent there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But apparently the responding officer noted that this wasn't the first call of this address for suspicious or unusual activity.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the house was well known locally as being allegedly haunted.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was rumored to have one time been a brothel.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and they were in an apartment, it was like a house, it's converted into a duplicates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the way that I took it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a duplicates.
[SPEAKER_00]: It probably a one time was a bigger house.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was all one house.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, why charge one people rent when I can charge two people?
[SPEAKER_00]: Or yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Capitalism.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So after this revelation, the haunting intensified and began to take a toll on the roommates.
[SPEAKER_00]: Dan began having a recurring nightmare in which he woke up alone in bed, paralyzed, watching a thick, living blackness, slowly seep through the cracked bedroom door and creep toward him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the dream occurred so often, and it freaked him out so badly that he started deliberately avoiding sleep.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the sleep deprivation hit him pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_00]: His grades collapsed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he just told him that he was having sleep troubles.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he wanted to get into it too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And said that he was suffering from depression, which was obviously both true.
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he began seeing shadow figures moving through the kitchen in the apartment a night and would hear distant, muffled arguing where he could never fully make out what they were saying.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he started seeing a therapist.
[SPEAKER_00]: Amy.
[SPEAKER_00]: began losing personal items, specific items, her childhood photo from a photo album that she had, her baby blanket, and even underwear of hers began missing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And at this time, Amy and Dan started fighting constantly over the tiniest of things things that should have never been an issue and we're never an issue between them before they moved in this house.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Vinnie, Vinnie was going through it by late January Vinnie stopped leaving his room.
[SPEAKER_00]: He would text Dan for food to be brought to him.
[SPEAKER_00]: He stopped attending classes and the only signs of life from his closed door room were the faint sound of sitcoms in the smell of marijuana.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when Dan eventually did kind of force his way in and check on him, he opened the door and found Vinnie covered in scratch marks on his arm and smelling like he hadn't bathed
[SPEAKER_02]: And does he, is there any sorts of implication that the scratch marks were self-inflicted though, is it implied in that way, it's it's implied, you know, there is no implication, yeah, it was just a central scratch marks because the way that I view this is that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you didn't have a girl over.
[SPEAKER_00]: The story was sent to us obviously after the fact like probably almost ten years after the fact.
[SPEAKER_00]: From what he said in the email that didn't make the episode, I don't believe their friends anymore.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think it can be something.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not getting Vinnie inside here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the way that a story generally would be like, this is what I was going through.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I was having.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is told from dance perspective.
[SPEAKER_00]: So he can only spice to what Vinnie had told him.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in April of 2013, getting close to the end of the school year, Dan was called in by his academic advisor and told that he would not be able to graduate given his standing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she offered to let him drop all of his courses under a hardship provision and he accepted.
[SPEAKER_00]: And being a good friend, Dan asked about Vinnie trying to be helpful and said, could Vinnie go through the same thing too.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's having some hardship.
[SPEAKER_00]: and the advisor told him, which I don't know if she's allowed to tell him this, but this is she told him, that Vinny had already dropped all of his classes back in February.
[SPEAKER_00]: And even though that feels kind of obvious, that really sent a chill down dance spine, because it's like he thought he was just avoiding the classes, but whatever he was going through two months prior, because
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and also, not also, not shit that it's, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: People who live in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dan immediately went home, got them all out of the apartment and was like, we're going to dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're getting out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk, we're going to dinner.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get out of here.
[SPEAKER_00]: And for the first time, he opened up to them about what he had been experiencing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they were all kind of keeping it in.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about the shadow figures.
[SPEAKER_00]: He talked about the dream.
[SPEAKER_00]: They all agreed that they felt trapped in the house.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they made the decision to break the lease early and just move out that weekend.
[SPEAKER_00]: So on the moving day, the three of them began loading Dan's father's truck with all their stuff, but discovered that they couldn't fit everything in one trip.
[SPEAKER_00]: So Dan and Vinnie took the first load while Amy stayed behind to finish packing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when they returned, they found Amy sitting on the front of the apartment.
[SPEAKER_00]: pale, shaken, obviously disturbed.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, while moving the microwave, she discovered a hidden nook.
[SPEAKER_00]: And inside this nook, we're all of her missing belongings, her underwear, her baby blanket, and her photo album, and she said that the photos had been defaced, specifically the females.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every female face had been scratched out, only the women.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, as she is staring at this photo album, freaking out, making this realization that the door flew open.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she heard a voice inside the duplex screaming, I heard it get out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So she left and they loaded up and they left.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Dan said, the moment they kind of left the vicinity, it just felt like this weighted blanket had been lifted off of him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I mean, I don't know, I think it, well, I do know why actually, but for me, and I don't know whether you've, you've obviously discussed this prior when you got it and when you've been talking about it on your show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was did you make any sort of suggestions or guesses about Vinny and the miscellaneous of Amy?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think there was, though that was, I don't remember much about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the jokeier portions of the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: The jokeier portions were that Vinny was just playing, I don't know if we were quite playing, it's probably too hard to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, Vinny was the cause of the disturbance and he's the one that collected her stuff and he was
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it given the condition that you say it was found in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I say this because I mentioned on the show, one of the best stories I've been told by a friend was Anna Oxie, keep their name private, but their father was going through some mental issues and the mother was blaming this girl or a friend and her brother who were about maybe 10 or 12 or something at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: for the strange things that were going on in the house.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, for example, a rich she'd go in and find a perfume bottle to be in a range in size order and she blamed the kids and they were like, we haven't been in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've been in the back garden and then if anything was a bit too strange, for example, she there was a claw mark found at about six foot three on the outside of the door.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sorry, the inside of the wall.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that night the girl had saw a hand come around the side of the wall and thought not more of it, thinking it might be a dad who was by all the counts, a bit, you know, deranged.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not in a, at her abusive way, just in a more he didn't know what was going on so it's a way.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she assumed it was him that the next morning she woke up to him with a scream and
[SPEAKER_02]: full foot now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, there's no way I can get up there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's interesting because the way she told the story without meaning, and this is what I'm just sent to chill that me spine.
[SPEAKER_02]: She just told the story how it was, but it was perfectly told and you knew it was genuine.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's perfectly told in a way where you were automatically thinking, I don't know if that was your
[SPEAKER_02]: spirit or evil entity, or if it was an evil entity working by a year down with this mental illness, I've heard there was definitely something in this, and that's why when you say the state that beneath is left in just scratching himself etc.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think sometimes people have been thrown in a very vulnerable mental state, an evil spirit could get them to do that basically, and then that person not be aware.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they'll just go and sit them back down where they were and
[SPEAKER_02]: But in reality, they've walked into Amy's room and stole and a photo album and put it in the notebook.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's also the narrator, when I'm sorry, he's not a narrator.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the character in this story who we don't get the perspective of, but he was physically there for all of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So like he was there, like he told them what happened when he was sitting outside in his boxers.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was in the basement.
[SPEAKER_00]: when the things were getting thrown.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had access to Amy's belongings.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was not in the living room.
[SPEAKER_00]: He was in his own room when they were talking about the shadow figure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how he could make a man in a woman argue in a kitchen and disappear.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that I can't explain.
[SPEAKER_00]: But for some of it, he is kind of like the outside, but close enough person.
[SPEAKER_00]: But not strong enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel strongly about it to say that I think he's he was trying to be like he suffered probably the most.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this is Chanti was behind some of it, but not like it distilled to me, it's out like there's still some sort of paranormal, malevolence going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and he's a tune of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like the carnivore, he might carry out the bidding.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So to speak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And especially if he's not telling them things such as I dropped out of school, two months ago.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I said, you know, rock keep.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it really is because you would imagine.
[SPEAKER_02]: that the narrator will be saying to why aren't you in class again.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we must be lying to keep up the pretence.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, yeah, I, but as you say, we don't have a place.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was one of the first episodes we ever did where it's like, it was a real like we lost friendships.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was depressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't graduate.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I broke up with my girlfriend because we couldn't get through, you know, it's like those behind the scenes of like, if you live in a haunted house or you live in a terribly haunted space even for a year, what's happening in the moments the noises and the scratches and the steps and the shadows aren't appearing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's still tragic.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's really a good point.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's that sort of, I mean, from the perspective of somebody who like yourself from the show, I mean, I am completely reliant on the listeners send them their darker experience as in, but the better experience is it's strange you bring in that up because that's kind of like the glue that holds a really strong episode together, you know, literally looking
[SPEAKER_02]: It's that it's the unspoken parts, the non-tarifying parts, like you're saying, you know, what happens when there's no horn going on?
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
[SPEAKER_02]: We had a guy send a really good email in the other month, actually.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he put a, I don't, I can't remember whether he put a theory across I did or it was one of all listeners, but he'd lost a relative really close relative.
[SPEAKER_02]: And his
[SPEAKER_02]: and he noticed and his the way he put in his email was something like the one positive about this person's death is the whole and stopped and then about six months later a pickback up and again I can't remember who states it but the idea was when somebody was so like consumed with grief
[SPEAKER_02]: Perhaps they didn't notice the on-going haunt, you know, if you're really like head-in-hands because your partner's just died, I could move in three inches by its own to the right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your brain's probably going, we don't have the capacity to deal with it, so we're not going to see it.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then as he, as he eased out of the grief, he eased into being able
[SPEAKER_02]: was always there at a certain level.
[SPEAKER_02]: And all those jewelry volume came down to such a point you could hear the whole again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do want to ask you a quick question because I know your mindful of tropes when you get stories and you hear more vigilant with the stories that you put on the media.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now let me say up front, we both win believable on this story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I still
[SPEAKER_00]: But I know you are aware of tropes with the first time we did the story.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what happened and it happened again as I was reviewing it recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason, the moment when she finds the book and the face is scratched out, which that part is I love that reveal, you know, but then the door swings open and she hears a voiciel get out.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the first moment in the whole story where I was like,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I must admit that the knock part is slightly tropey, that's in a good few films.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're scratching out the faces in photographs is in much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much, much
[SPEAKER_02]: because we did have an email of someone saying, old, you seem to be covering recently shadow men.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's kind of like, well, maybe that's all that's happened.
[SPEAKER_02]: And now, yeah, we look, there are no rules to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's let me make up something for you real quick.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you can only fight the past in front of you, it's in terms of like, you can only say the story that's been sent in.
[SPEAKER_02]: And also we don't know how this works and I do use this as an analogy, not an analogy, but like a I kind of think to point you to say for example.
[SPEAKER_02]: During COVID, I went through a mad phase of watching all of nukes top five like I found the channel, I don't know with you where of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's basically he gets that week's all listeners or watches on YouTube, sorry, send him paranormal clips, they found online like they're only like 10 or 15 seconds long.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he puts them all together for a top 10, once a week.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was once a week, he's going to like twice a month now.
[SPEAKER_02]: But there's about 4,500 on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And over COVID, and we were all locked in our houses, I binge watched this.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there was one particular type of court on tape spirit that was set an act, couldn't tell ya.
[SPEAKER_02]: whether it was episode 76, then episode 243.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I know that it was so disparate that he didn't pick up on this link.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I did, um, I like, as in the number of times this was seen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, if you, I've said it on the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you tie the fishing wire to a piece of net, like black net.
[SPEAKER_02]: and you just flung it around the air like a rate of from Harry Potter or similar.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, one was seen in Hong Kong about 30 episodes later, one's in Australia, 50 episodes as a one's in America, and it is the same, the identical sort of spirit, and when I seen the fifth one about five days in, I was like, this is a real thing, it's the same
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just could not get me head round it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, and as I said, I use that just in terms of, we don't understand them made being families.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, families in terms of category, for example, this thing I'm saying is, I piece a net on a fish and wire.
[SPEAKER_02]: That might fall on this from category if we were all able to see everything that exists in the paranormal sphere and give it a terminology.
[SPEAKER_02]: But we don't, can we count?
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that's a fascinating story that.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't, with the exception of what you've pointed out, trope-wise, the rest of it doesn't follow any source of pattern.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, it does.
[SPEAKER_01]: Tradition, traditional pattern.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember fighting pretty hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, no, it's fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fine at the end if it goes tropey, because the rest is incredible.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I think we had some back and forth about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: You could argue it was well in the, like, in the favor.
[SPEAKER_02]: why throw something that tropian, yeah, if it wasn't real, you know, because if you've got a great story that you know is real, why then say,
[SPEAKER_02]: And then a guy with a red and black jump attendal with a handful of knives, it'd be dream, you know, you know, let's see what's there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just put the bow on top.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but also like we don't know what mental state she was in when she found her belongings in a nook like could she have imagined it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's one of those things we said at the top.
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe the she believes that she heard that and wanted to get the hell out of that duplex.
[SPEAKER_02]: So many made a great point very early on about these sort of tails sent in saying one thing that should be a prerequisite is that people do a carbon monoxide test and hope.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because all three people could just be hallucinating and it's a very good point, but we simply don't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and it's really it really to annoy me that we wouldn't know, but I've got to learn to accept it, obviously we're never going to find out.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then Charlie, take it away.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I've got a story.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a listener's mission.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did actually page this to our page run over the weekend.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like guys help because we get to some of your stories and like None of them popped out to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was just it overwhelms kind of thing like panic.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: What wasn't even as a podcast.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need a good one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and our listeners to the credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: They did suggest a couple of really good stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were Tyler stories.
[SPEAKER_01]: My argument was you didn't need to do one that you presented though.
[SPEAKER_00]: I told couldn't have been fun to do one that I presented.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, I didn't.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did a famous story.
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is supposedly one of the.
[SPEAKER_01]: darkest possession stories ever told I'd be interested in know if your listeners know it before I even say it but it's the story of Gottliebyn Dirtis and it takes place in 1840 and basically her and her siblings lived in a small town not an hour away from Munich and after the death of their parents.
[SPEAKER_01]: Shortly after, they moved into this new apartment, and that's when they moved into new apartment and strange things, of course, immediately start to happen, poultry guys like things.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lab bays, knocks, footsteps, and unexplained noises echoing throughout the house day and night.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the disturbances become so severe that the neighbors can even hear these things from the outside.
[SPEAKER_01]: At some time, Galibin began to suffer an unexplained urnit, an unexplained illness and violent pits.
[SPEAKER_01]: So she started having like these seizures and she never really recovered from these.
[SPEAKER_00]: So during these were new to her, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were never happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: She never history of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: No one had a history of that in the family, just started.
[SPEAKER_01]: How old was she just not of interest to be now?
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was between like 16 and 18.
[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't very old.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a kid.
[SPEAKER_01]: And during prayer, she would suddenly collapse and enter stages or states of unconsciousness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when initially a peer to be sickness, slowly evolved into something much stranger.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, one of the most disturbing elements of this case involves this apparition.
[SPEAKER_01]: Galibin.
[SPEAKER_01]: God will be repeatedly claimed that she was been visited by a ghost of a deceased woman from this village and this woman would appear holding a dead child and stare silently or at her bedside.
[SPEAKER_01]: and this figure, sometimes spoke to her, telling her that she wanted to be a left alone.
[SPEAKER_01]: And do you remember this part?
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like, it was weird to us.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause the figure, she said, and up to say, I want to be left alone.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you came here, this is my reward.
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that makes me think we just, we just had a listener's omission story where this woman was seeing the ghosts of a Nazi officer holding a child's head.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just so,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I felt he was like, why didn't you make that image the graphic for the episode?
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, I did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, but again, that's one of them where you're like, if you're going to invent something, who would jump to that?
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: You know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so she's, this up here, this apparition became more frequent in the haunting intensified, and that led to a local pastor Jonathan Crimson Bloomhart, uh, to expect something supernatural was occurring.
[SPEAKER_01]: And the investigation, church the home, and that's when they found old packaging, hidden between the floorboards underneath the floorboards around the property.
[SPEAKER_01]: and they reportedly contain chalk, salt, bones, coins, paper powders, another assorted folklore magic things in them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, the assorted folklore magic thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you get that at any store.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, local apothecary.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I look at it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Lamar believed that these items can be connected with the cultures and they decide to burn them.
[SPEAKER_01]: But after they burn them, that's some things got even worse.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was going to say that's not the smallest move to do.
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually, all the activity focused almost entirely on Gaudoban.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now she suffered more violent confusions, foaming from her mouth, trans-like stairs, extreme personality changes, self-inflicted wounds, blasphemous outbursts, and hatred toward people of religion and religious symbols.
[SPEAKER_01]: Witnesses described her body twisting to painful positions while she appeared unconscious.
[SPEAKER_01]: At times, she approached just speaking voices that did not sound like her own, and reacted violently whenever prayers were spoken around her.
[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the most famous reports indicates that Bloomhart invoked the name of Jesus.
[SPEAKER_01]: And when he did that, Cautavan cried out, I cannot bear that name.
[SPEAKER_01]: She said, at the actressesum,
[SPEAKER_01]: Blumheart became convinced that multiple spirits were present, and she did say that initially there were 14 demons inhabiting her, but later she claimed there were 425, and eventually the number reached to 1,670, 1,670 demons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, that's just a lot.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I didn't there.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you kids that conclusion?
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they had a harsh party and just like this started coming in slowly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the her body was a New York apartment building.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's that's like so many like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a strange thing because the well, what firstly, the fact this took place in Munich of
[SPEAKER_02]: Was Annelis McCall Austrian?
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she was also, I did the episode too, I think she was also German.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think she was also German.
[SPEAKER_02]: And there's a strong correlation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, which makes me kind of, because I know that she come after this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, much after.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is my favorite.
[SPEAKER_02]: If she, it's making me now think and I'll look into it personally, just out of interest.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if there's any way she could be influenced by this.
[SPEAKER_02]: have a bit of doubt on the analyst's account.
[SPEAKER_02]: So to case, although when you hear the tapes on YouTube of the access isn't it?
[SPEAKER_00]: Was that the 70s?
[SPEAKER_02]: I can be really far earlier.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Alia, I'm not too sure how I want to know is that it's at least to get still get well the the audio record and just or on tapes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I played a couple on our after sevens did that episode too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I actually and she got
[SPEAKER_02]: No, I was just going to say, and she claimed she was infested by seven demons of things.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was won't be in Hitler.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was post, post, well, well, 75 and 76.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, I didn't know it was that we said.
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't either.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just put, I just remember the picture of her like the good one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she had like a 70's haircut from where I remember.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was initially going to do that episode for this because when I was doing that episode, I had this terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was upstairs in my room.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember I had the lamp on.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just felt this like almost like this presence.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, well, that's enough of that tonight.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I turned my TV on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I said, done here.
[SPEAKER_01]: But Godly been, uh, corner story, woman practice dark magic and murdered children during her life, the apparition, uh, condemned her soul and bound her to evil.
[SPEAKER_01]: And this became, this case became infamous because of the physical manifestations specifically because people witnessed this from the claim that they witnessed this, that she began to vomit pretty frequently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Glass shards, nails, pins, wires, knitting needles, shoe buckles, frogs, bats, and locates.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, her stomach was a knock of the missing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I think if you guys see in the right, I've talked about this for about the last five years.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's your Hopkins.
[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's based on Gabriel and more, the Vatican Exorcist, unlike the film that was based on Gabriel and more, which had Australian guy in, which is ridiculous, and he's driving a Harley Davidson and smoking and telling me to do what you say and all this, and it's known that
[SPEAKER_02]: Anthony Hopkins one is is an amazing portrayal, but that features like toads and vomit nails, crucifixion nails and things like this is interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: She also had mysterious bleeding and swelling and she suffered from choking from invisible hands and there are periods where all these things like poured from her body and the
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, something else too is that they said that she showed herself in middle and night and when they pulled her hands back is her throat was covered with blister is that we're full of fluid.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's in like something really awesome being struck.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: and it was so intense like her sister even kind of became possessed by proxy like she threatened bloom hard to cut him in half and other members began displaying other symptoms and eventually after two years of extra systems and historical account the outside pot
[SPEAKER_01]: uh, eventually after many pocket effort, many podcasts.
[SPEAKER_01]: She stole the 1840s podcast isn't it can you eventually after many ester systems, they did somehow read her of these 1,667 demons and she did live her life.
[SPEAKER_01]: apparently.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she's a 5D access system.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she did.
[SPEAKER_01]: She became married.
[SPEAKER_01]: She got married and she had kids and she lived for a couple decades after this event.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's what always strikes a lot of people that's surprising, but if you look into it, it's a common theme.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's people because they watch the actresses, believe an exorcism is a one-time only deal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like the priest turns up, doesn't exorcism, the demon goes and off you go.
[SPEAKER_02]: Whereas if you, there's a documentary, I don't know what channel it's on now.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it may be on prime, but it basically follows a Roman Catholic exorcism, Italy.
[SPEAKER_02]: and she's been having been coming for the previous 12 months, because in her exorcism, like most exorcisms are, they don't do all the theatrical things that you see on TV.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's more of a case of very gently, I think that the way the Catholic Church look at it definitely nowadays is the case of, we're dealing with something potentially explosive in some more.
[SPEAKER_02]: So we're best spending a year
[SPEAKER_02]: kind of trying to gain its trust and get the name out of it by befriended it sort of, you know, and trying to keep the damage down to a minimum, as opposed to having both it done with Roland Doe, like taking it to a place to strap them to a bed and stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a lot more a kick glove than it is, like, yeah, like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're able to put them into the label to put them under as in like that's many people say they've gone under when like the operation is talking to take in place and the start of the possession is taking place and it seems like the priests or the exesists are able to keep them at that state of oppression.
[SPEAKER_02]: each time they do the exorcism, so they never fully get into the possession state.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it's like when they're in that state of oppression, they are the link to the demon and the priest.
[SPEAKER_02]: So over this period of months or weeks or whatever, or years, even, that link becomes more, you know, a much more wide communication channel to the point where eventually the priest can say, so what's your name again?
[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like a trick.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the person who's oppressed will be like,
[SPEAKER_02]: ball, and then they'll go, ah, got you under the Christ name, get out of there, but like, ah, you got me that priest.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good hanging with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I just can go on for years.
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot, I don't say a lot of times that you can't and well, but that supposedly is one of the darkest, most intense parrot possessions ever.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know you you listen to this obviously recently.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: If I could be wrong with this, but I feel like if I remember correctly, was our only skepticism bloom heart is the one presenting the story and he like lives of the same.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote a book about it and he would have been incentivized to embellish.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was the biggest he wrote the book about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was the biggest one put out the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: The siblings didn't really do much about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really just him, but I will sign his behalf got it been did did voucher him Whatever that means Yeah Again, though you could argue if you look at it very skeptically who's gonna go against you power preach?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know if if If I was a young person who'd allegedly went through that and my priest helped me and they said That's an in the press if I was now better.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be like
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it doesn't tell us actually a teenage female in the 1980s is, you know, well, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she's hardly going to start saying, yeah, talking, no, but they were amazing guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's like, you know, I love food for thought and a lot of things which I can go away and look at myself.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've never heard of that case.
[SPEAKER_02]: At all.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the line that got me and I'm sure did many of our listeners was when you said this is to be came possessed almost by proxy and said you were caught him in heart.
[SPEAKER_02]: See, it's lines like that for me, which I again, I use the same validator, but things like jump out where you just go.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you would say something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: You would do something different.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like I, I'd say an example of a validator.
[SPEAKER_02]: so that you understand kind of where I'm coming from is me and my ex partner watched the most recent exesist film.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well it was all right and we got in a taxi which was about a three minute ride home and the guy just went oh what did you go and say we said the exesist and he went oh you're into all that yeah if you have seen a ghost I said I'm not sure but well and he said I have I was like
[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me more.
[SPEAKER_02]: So within this is what I mean, like we watched this film for two and a half hours, it was all right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Within a minute and a half, this guy was the most terrifying.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he was talking about taking a show quick through a cathedral and a little which me and Miguel friend have taken many times.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's basically an old quarry which was then turned into a cemetery to 40,000 bodies in it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because it was a lot of it was the Irish famine victims,
[SPEAKER_02]: family so they were a little bit more engraved and they would have one stone for maybe five hundred people sort of thing and it was in this stone quarry and it's a very eerie place that's like one wall right to the back where it was a former quarry like it's like a slide that you know are there yeah but in that wall there areches
[SPEAKER_02]: in this wall and it turns out that the flats with your opposite would use to be stand alone houses and then we turned into flats.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were merchant houses because you had a perfect view on this hill to the mercy which is the main thing out into the Irish Sea.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in the basement of these flats of tunnels because if you were rich enough to own one of these houses you got your own personal vault in the cathedral so the tunnels would go directly under the street and into this vault
[SPEAKER_02]: that way these arches there and allegedly they've all been filled in.
[SPEAKER_02]: But this guy was telling us he's walked, he'd be walked through this thing as a sure cut with his girlfriend and his girlfriend stopped and grabbed him and said, look at that and he said there was a woman that was the way described that I thought, validator.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, there was a woman, he said, and he's looking in the rear of your mirror, he's telling me, you know, when he's dead, love puttly, and so he's, our mates, it was 35 and I was, and he's saying, the way described to us, he said, she was like in her 80s, said, she was just white, so I went, so I took the head and said, and she was staring at that, yeah, and he went, no, he said, she was looking like directly ahead of where she was, she was still behind the grave, the hands on the grave, he said, and she was
[SPEAKER_02]: a bodice like he and eat in the mirror.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's going, it's like this, like a ribbed sort of thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, like a body warmer and I knew what he meant.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then before I could say, he said, and she had like a bonnet on and I thought, he's described without knowing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: The burial garments of someone went this fast became a cemetery because there is a car of it when and if
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Edward Kelly and Joseph, I can't remember the other guys name, but anyway, Edward Kelly, Necromancy, if you do go a lot, you'll see him and his cohorts.
[SPEAKER_02]: And in this protective circle is a dead person they've rose up and they are wearing this exact outfit.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he described it, but there is no E and E, there's Liverpool being taxi driver.
[SPEAKER_02]: I had seen a wood court of Edward Kelly
[SPEAKER_02]: He can't know that.
[SPEAKER_02]: He described it as a body warmer.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, there's, there's, there's, he didn't know.
[SPEAKER_02]: We described him perfectly.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would he be married in in that day, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: He gave me shivers.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's creepy.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, you know what, let's never go to the pictures again.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's just get taxis.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's been really entertaining and now as I kind of thank you please tell all listeners how all about yourselves how they can find your where they can find your
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if you if you search believing the bizarre, uh, we're on Instagram or on Facebook or on YouTube TikTok, uh, we release episodes every Tuesday.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, one of the most recent episodes we put out was with you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, that would be easy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a way to maybe start there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but if you start there, I'll feel familiar and friendly and then you can work.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, let's go.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, obviously, you're on all of the main platforms.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Spotify, I horror.
[SPEAKER_02]: YouTube as well.
[SPEAKER_00]: YouTube.
[SPEAKER_02]: You see our faces.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to see us, if you prefer listening, we're there too.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you do, because you do, you are, I mean, I'm starting video from next season.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you guys are,
[SPEAKER_02]: way ahead of the cap that I usually have already entered the fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I miss just being audio only.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's videos so hard work on ourselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean Apple is just dropping video now too.
[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just it's a great time to be doing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think you just as I say start now really put your head at the cap.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, it's so well done with that one.
[SPEAKER_02]: this isn't going to be video by the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank God.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know what we didn't record it.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm pretty sure I picked my nose in this, so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, well, um, talent Charlie from uh, leaving the bizarre.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you very much for coming on and tell us two tales that were terrifying that everything that I love about a good paranormal tale, stuff to go away and investigate, stuff that you just have to sit and think with.
[SPEAKER_02]: And especially with the latter story, that's got stuff we can go and actually tangibly investigate ourselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, you gave us everything there.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, we really want to thank both of you for taking the time to spend it with us for our pre-show before our season 25.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, thank you guys.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if there's anything else you want to wrap before you use head-off.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited for season 25.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you for having us on, too.
[SPEAKER_01]: We really appreciate it.
[SPEAKER_02]: No thank you for having me on your show.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was really good.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was concerned sometimes because people will, and I know this from experience, having done a paranormal show with a little levity, they can look at it in the wrong way, they can think that you don't know what you're talking about because you've had a bit of levity to the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I just wanted to reiterate that's not the case with your show.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's also useful for me as well to remember that there's levity to be had in this, especially this season we've just had.
[SPEAKER_02]: It got, there was two particular recordings sessions and the listeners know, and at the end I was like, this doesn't happen, but I don't feel comfortable.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it kind of, it was a cumulative thing.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was really happy when the season ended.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's not like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: And it was, you know, I'm not also saying because some evil force was building.
[SPEAKER_02]: But it was uncomfortable and it's good to have conversations like this to know that there's still levity to be had there.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that which you'd all not take it so seriously, both at the same time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Be terrified.
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm terrified.
[SPEAKER_00]: I respect for but not too seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Kevin.
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: If you can manage those three things which contradict each other all the way.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: But genuinely, guys, thank you for your time and it's been an absolute pleasure.