WEBVTT 00:08.249 --> 00:15.952 [SPEAKER_02]: If one is up, everybody, welcome to Comic Book Club, I'm Alex, I'm Pete, and we've got another bonus episode for you here with a great guest. 00:16.072 --> 00:25.857 [SPEAKER_02]: She is the writer of the new Sabrina, the teenage witch, number one, which is coming out from O'Neigh Press on October 7th, final order cutoff, depending on when you're listening to this, it's probably coming up pretty soon. 00:25.897 --> 00:33.960 [SPEAKER_02]: So get two-year comic book shops in order of the book, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast, welcome to the podcast, Carita Beckham. 00:34.160 --> 00:35.661 [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, welcome. 00:38.082 --> 00:54.667 [SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for coming on very excited to talk about this book now I previously talked to the team from Archie a little bit and before that talked to Hunter Gordonson, see her on about the whole thrust of the line just kind of lay it out just very broadly and that I'll stop monologue and kick it over to you. 00:55.227 --> 00:59.031 [SPEAKER_02]: This is Archie Comics that are being published by OniPres. 00:59.111 --> 01:00.552 [SPEAKER_02]: Archie is still doing this own thing. 01:00.772 --> 01:01.673 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not going away. 01:02.294 --> 01:03.955 [SPEAKER_02]: But this is its own continuity. 01:03.995 --> 01:06.477 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a new fresh take on all of the characters. 01:06.958 --> 01:11.182 [SPEAKER_02]: Archie number one is coming out first, and the month later we're going to be getting Sabrina the Teenage Witch. 01:11.622 --> 01:18.128 [SPEAKER_02]: This comes with art by the Amazing Cano, as well as I believe Nick Cagnetti, who we talked to about Archie as well. 01:19.009 --> 01:20.850 [SPEAKER_02]: That's all set up to say that I think 01:21.711 --> 01:26.253 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody, I mean, we're certainly very familiar with the Archie Comics, we're very familiar with Sabrina and everything. 01:26.894 --> 01:30.736 [SPEAKER_02]: But given all that, what is your take-on error? 01:30.936 --> 01:35.378 [SPEAKER_02]: Is it an across-of-the-play, it's Sabrina Thane, and who's a teenage witch based on pages? 01:35.458 --> 01:43.522 [SPEAKER_02]: It feels like it's pulling a little bit of the hard take that became popular with chilling adventures of Sabrina, but forming its own thing at the same time. 01:45.147 --> 01:52.393 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I know chilling adventures really leaned into the floor and as a writer, I write a lot of horror. 01:52.453 --> 01:56.176 [SPEAKER_00]: I love horror, but also chilling adventures did that. 01:56.356 --> 01:58.017 [SPEAKER_00]: So we're doing something a little bit different. 01:58.637 --> 02:01.360 [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, this drops in October, the first issue. 02:01.440 --> 02:05.102 [SPEAKER_00]: It happens around Halloween in the world of Sabrina. 02:05.223 --> 02:08.425 [SPEAKER_00]: So it does start off with some rather 02:09.926 --> 02:23.410 [SPEAKER_00]: We're applying and perhaps a little gross little creatures introduced, but as we go on, there will be that, but there will also be a lot of sort of joyful misadventure with the magic as well. 02:23.550 --> 02:30.112 [SPEAKER_00]: So it does go, there's four elements, but it's not a poor book if that makes sense. 02:30.720 --> 02:31.380 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure. 02:31.500 --> 02:41.584 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're touching on this a little bit, but what do you think it is in general or more specifically what is it for you that keeps drawing people back to Sabrina? 02:42.765 --> 02:50.348 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it's the concept is so it's elastic enough to hold all of these elements like she's a teenager. 02:50.508 --> 02:52.489 [SPEAKER_00]: She's she can do magic. 02:52.509 --> 02:59.852 [SPEAKER_00]: There's horrifying things that can happen, but I think the whole archie concept of a whole obviously it has this amazing staying power. 02:59.952 --> 03:00.092 [SPEAKER_00]: It's 03:00.712 --> 03:16.824 [SPEAKER_00]: what going on 80 over 80 years now that Archie's London still appeals to people of all ages really, but there's something about that time when you're on the cusp of adulthood and you're yearning for freedom, but all of a sudden you also have all of these responsibilities. 03:17.564 --> 03:23.008 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember this point in my life vividly and thank goodness, I didn't have magic at my disposal. 03:23.048 --> 03:23.568 [SPEAKER_00]: Think of us. 03:24.089 --> 03:25.670 [SPEAKER_00]: That would have been very grim. 03:26.550 --> 03:30.593 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think the idea that someone would be dealing with that. 03:30.733 --> 03:37.438 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, keeping secrets for the good of her mortal friends like it's would be dangerous for them to know these things. 03:37.538 --> 03:42.161 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's sort of a big responsibility underlying all of the sort of more frivolous like, 03:42.461 --> 03:51.728 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my friend has a nicer dress than me and now I want to look good at the dance too, like they're these sort of things that it has to hold together and that just feels so much like life to me. 03:52.713 --> 03:53.854 [SPEAKER_03]: Wow, that's awesome. 03:53.874 --> 03:54.874 [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you for sharing. 03:55.355 --> 03:57.476 [SPEAKER_03]: I'm such a huge fan of Sabrina. 03:57.576 --> 04:00.298 [SPEAKER_03]: I think she is such a unique and cool character. 04:00.318 --> 04:03.080 [SPEAKER_03]: I also think she has a great cast around there. 04:03.100 --> 04:06.122 [SPEAKER_03]: There's some unique characters in her world. 04:07.123 --> 04:08.824 [SPEAKER_03]: Getting to kind of work on Sabrina. 04:08.844 --> 04:12.746 [SPEAKER_03]: What was some fun things that you discovered about the character? 04:12.786 --> 04:17.830 [SPEAKER_03]: Things that you didn't maybe realize how much you would enjoy or really kind of some fun that you found. 04:18.933 --> 04:26.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the one thing that I really thought that I would enjoy, and it turned out way better than I expected, is that they owe him a hurt familiar? 04:26.952 --> 04:27.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. 04:28.253 --> 04:36.357 [SPEAKER_00]: She's got this cat who is often much wiser and certainly older and more practiced and magic. 04:36.977 --> 04:39.879 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's there for a lot of her adventures. 04:39.919 --> 04:41.159 [SPEAKER_00]: He kicks some of them off. 04:41.199 --> 04:43.280 [SPEAKER_00]: He comes in and helps with the save sometimes. 04:43.761 --> 04:46.442 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's just an absolute joy to write. 04:46.482 --> 04:47.943 [SPEAKER_00]: My background is in zoology. 04:47.963 --> 04:50.644 [SPEAKER_00]: So I always have some sort of... Oh, my god. 04:50.984 --> 04:54.006 [SPEAKER_00]: You're in my books, but yeah, but writing him is fantastic. 04:54.846 --> 04:56.367 [SPEAKER_02]: Just take a total side trip. 04:56.387 --> 05:01.450 [SPEAKER_02]: How do you get from zoology to being a horror writer on Sabrina? 05:01.510 --> 05:03.331 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's very kind of interesting. 05:03.351 --> 05:04.252 [SPEAKER_02]: Can you tell us? 05:04.272 --> 05:05.713 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah. 05:05.733 --> 05:09.495 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure you get that question a lot, but first I let her podcast so I figured it out. 05:09.635 --> 05:10.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no. 05:10.736 --> 05:19.481 [SPEAKER_00]: My day job is actually I work in paleontology, and you might hear screaming kids in the background because I'm actually at my day job right now, which is at a natural museum. 05:22.576 --> 05:32.239 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm making you bold right now to talk to y'all and so I have a background in that but I also was always a writer as well and You know, it's funny. 05:32.279 --> 05:34.120 [SPEAKER_00]: I just got honestly really lucky. 05:34.320 --> 05:36.161 [SPEAKER_00]: I was writing a lot of pros. 05:36.581 --> 05:40.022 [SPEAKER_00]: I wrote some stuff that my partner at the time was 05:41.155 --> 06:04.914 [SPEAKER_00]: he still is a comic book artist and he thought we should do something together and I had the story heathen town and so we did it together it became a graphic novel and it pulls on a lot of like it has a mammoth in it but it's also horror so it combines the stuff I was working on during the day with what I wanted to write about and fictionalize it and that got picked up by image so 06:09.842 --> 06:34.795 [SPEAKER_00]: As you know, in the science is probably things are like this because a lot of it's grant funded writing also like this somehow these two very unsteady jobs I've continued to be employed in both so I'm very much do you ever find when people find out about your day job do they want to like pigeonhole you in Jurassic Park comics and that's pretty much it was not a problem. 06:35.489 --> 06:41.314 [SPEAKER_00]: Weirdly, I have never yet gotten to write a Jurassic part economic, and I'm so, I could tear that up. 06:41.374 --> 06:43.175 [SPEAKER_03]: I would be like, exactly. 06:43.195 --> 06:44.456 [SPEAKER_03]: It seems like I had no brainer. 06:45.277 --> 06:47.158 [SPEAKER_00]: Someday, the world will be someday. 06:47.778 --> 06:50.501 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get back to Sabrina for a second. 06:50.621 --> 06:57.146 [SPEAKER_02]: One of the other things that I know everybody's be a little cagey about, so I'm not necessarily going to push you too hard, but there's obviously coordination going on. 06:57.546 --> 07:01.349 [SPEAKER_02]: These titles are running around their own trains, but they're all part of the same universe. 07:01.529 --> 07:02.270 [SPEAKER_02]: In particular, 07:02.950 --> 07:17.102 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like just based on the designs that we've seen Archie and Sabrina, Archie of the Comic title and Sabrina of the Comic title, our coordinating in particular, the third one is Archie and Hell, which is going to be its own thing. 07:17.622 --> 07:18.943 [SPEAKER_02]: So what can you tell us about that? 07:18.963 --> 07:23.186 [SPEAKER_02]: What has it been like if anything, working with Ben H. Winters, with the team, etc. 07:24.525 --> 07:25.746 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, I love Ben. 07:25.826 --> 07:26.666 [SPEAKER_00]: I love his writing. 07:26.726 --> 07:28.027 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm such a big fan. 07:28.247 --> 07:30.309 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was so excited that he's doing Archie. 07:30.329 --> 07:32.590 [SPEAKER_00]: Look, I cannot wait to read that. 07:32.770 --> 07:38.574 [SPEAKER_00]: But early on, um, and you know what Patrick too, I can't leave him out of Archie and hell also. 07:38.594 --> 07:40.615 [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's such an amazing writer. 07:41.015 --> 07:45.578 [SPEAKER_00]: And the art on both those books, I've seen some previews and looks incredible. 07:46.359 --> 07:51.322 [SPEAKER_00]: So there is some coordination in that they want these worlds to feel like they fit together. 07:52.229 --> 07:58.804 [SPEAKER_00]: And early on before anybody started really digging into the scripts we had sort of a summit where we all got together. 07:59.588 --> 08:06.414 [SPEAKER_00]: with Sierra Hahn and the Hunter and kind of tried to fit things together where everybody's tone was going to fall. 08:06.834 --> 08:08.916 [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't want to step on each other that kind of thing. 08:09.296 --> 08:12.599 [SPEAKER_00]: So the coordination isn't tight. 08:12.679 --> 08:14.200 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like these are across over. 08:14.240 --> 08:20.765 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, oh, you got to read Archie number one and then it's going to pick up and Archie in Sabrina number two is going to and you won't understand. 08:21.286 --> 08:22.107 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like that at all. 08:22.247 --> 08:22.527 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like 08:22.947 --> 08:34.031 [SPEAKER_00]: Sabrina, there's a couple of stories where there's a part one in part two, and there will start being stuff that references, it's almost more like an Easter eggs. 08:34.612 --> 08:48.497 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you go all the way along in Sabrina, you'll see some little like, oh yeah, there's something that I, it gives me more context because I've read Archie, but it won't be like you have to read the one and the other. 08:51.511 --> 08:52.872 [SPEAKER_00]: homework, you know. 08:53.132 --> 08:53.813 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, sure. 08:54.574 --> 08:55.234 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it. 08:56.075 --> 09:00.379 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as much as I live comics, there are comics that feel like you need to read them for homework. 09:00.999 --> 09:01.700 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 09:01.720 --> 09:02.400 [SPEAKER_02]: Does it help? 09:02.581 --> 09:09.587 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I assume yours is taking place at Greedale while Archie is in Riverdale or is Sabrina in Riverdale for this one? 09:10.187 --> 09:11.208 [SPEAKER_00]: No, she's in beingdale. 09:11.308 --> 09:12.829 [SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, it's a week apart. 09:12.930 --> 09:16.272 [SPEAKER_00]: So, it's there a little bit separated in that way. 09:17.276 --> 09:23.098 [SPEAKER_00]: And also in Sabrina, there will be some, there will be backup stories in each issue. 09:23.199 --> 09:33.963 [SPEAKER_00]: So there will be the main story and then there will be like a little fun story that gives some context and some of those will go further in one direction or another and dovetail a little more. 09:34.043 --> 09:36.684 [SPEAKER_00]: But it won't be like, you have to read it. 09:36.704 --> 09:40.926 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, if you read it, hopefully you'll see, oh, now I have like content. 09:41.566 --> 09:42.286 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, great. 09:42.306 --> 09:42.426 [SPEAKER_00]: Good. 09:42.446 --> 09:43.226 [SPEAKER_00]: Like your connection. 09:43.246 --> 09:45.067 [SPEAKER_03]: We're awarding readers. 09:45.107 --> 09:45.947 [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds awesome. 09:45.987 --> 09:49.368 [SPEAKER_03]: I cannot wait to read this. 09:49.508 --> 09:50.548 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. 09:50.788 --> 10:02.130 [SPEAKER_03]: It is what's been the most fun for you when you get like a project like Sabrina is it just kind of the first time you get to kind of sit down and live in this world. 10:02.210 --> 10:06.071 [SPEAKER_03]: Is it getting the like art back after something's lived in your brain? 10:06.431 --> 10:09.052 [SPEAKER_03]: What's your favorite part about something like this? 10:11.045 --> 10:12.527 [SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for saying you'd like to read it. 10:12.907 --> 10:15.169 [SPEAKER_00]: I I hope people have so much fun reading these. 10:15.209 --> 10:28.479 [SPEAKER_00]: I really do and personally I mean, I find it very rewarding once I dig into the character and This has been nice because often lately, but just the way comics are written a lot of many series So this has been nice. 10:28.559 --> 10:30.321 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm already we're working so far ahead. 10:30.521 --> 10:39.128 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm working on issue six already So it's so nice to have a longer amount of issues to really dig in and 10:39.505 --> 10:42.007 [SPEAKER_00]: reference back and see how the characters have grown. 10:42.087 --> 10:43.228 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's very rewarding. 10:43.729 --> 10:46.331 [SPEAKER_00]: But the best part is absolutely seeing the art. 10:46.673 --> 10:57.240 [SPEAKER_00]: a hundred percent as I saw those first pages and his designs and oh my goodness it looks so beautiful to his art is amazing. 10:58.000 --> 11:11.869 [SPEAKER_02]: I do want to mention not to blow up anybody's spot but when the PR folks sent me a couple of pages and advance of canos aren't they were like this is the absolute Martian man hunter of the archie lied and I click the link and I was like all 11:16.052 --> 11:16.674 [SPEAKER_02]: Good job. 11:17.015 --> 11:18.037 [SPEAKER_02]: They're gorgeous. 11:18.097 --> 11:19.300 [SPEAKER_02]: The colors are gorgeous. 11:19.821 --> 11:21.164 [SPEAKER_02]: The layouts are amazing. 11:21.425 --> 11:22.327 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a great luck and book. 11:23.056 --> 11:24.838 [SPEAKER_00]: And he's obviously having so much fun with it. 11:24.878 --> 11:34.027 [SPEAKER_00]: There's all these little extras that I mean in my script, I try to be barely bare bones and to plot because I feel like my job is the plot. 11:34.647 --> 11:36.349 [SPEAKER_00]: And I never want to step on an artist. 11:36.369 --> 11:40.793 [SPEAKER_00]: And some artists like to have more, you know, they want reference, which is cool. 11:40.833 --> 11:46.198 [SPEAKER_00]: I put in pictures of like, oh, if you don't know what this particular ship is, it looks like this and not a picture. 11:46.659 --> 11:46.819 [SPEAKER_00]: But, 11:48.361 --> 11:52.433 [SPEAKER_00]: Once we started working together more and I figured out that, oh, he wants to just go. 11:52.453 --> 11:54.318 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, just let him go. 11:54.338 --> 11:55.161 [SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing. 11:56.940 --> 12:04.645 [SPEAKER_02]: I have always very interested about that because you do have these two singular talons in terms of KNO and Nick Cagnetty and talking to Nick about the Archie book. 12:04.685 --> 12:11.869 [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like he's augmenting a style a little bit to match it, but he's out there, I say complimentary. 12:12.449 --> 12:14.991 [SPEAKER_02]: So it does affect your scripts. 12:15.331 --> 12:20.674 [SPEAKER_02]: You think you are more writing towards the artist eventually given who you have on the book? 12:21.741 --> 12:36.551 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it happens both ways because often just the way comics, but well, I don't have to tell, you know, a bunch of people that understand comics this, but the way it works, the sense of script is already written sometimes before you see any of the first art. 12:36.651 --> 12:41.775 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're lucky, you'll see some character designs, and that can inform the personality. 12:41.815 --> 12:47.259 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's this real give and take, which I love about comics, that collaboration is, 12:48.606 --> 13:00.593 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's an amazing feeling to be able to make art with someone, but in this case, I feel like more than in a lot of other cases because there are more issues than just the four. 13:01.801 --> 13:15.652 [SPEAKER_00]: I have been able to start kind of thinking, oh, I can picture how he will handle XYZ and sort of shift things a little because like now after I saw the first drawing, see, like not everybody loves to draw a cat. 13:15.832 --> 13:24.658 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's be honest, some people cats like they don't have, they don't look like they have bones like they're weird, the public's bad as horses for some people. 13:25.159 --> 13:27.621 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but after I saw how he, 13:28.623 --> 13:37.468 [SPEAKER_00]: made Salem so expressive and just able to convey with a flick of an ear, you didn't have to have everything in the dialogue. 13:37.708 --> 13:41.711 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, I can actually lean into the Salem Sabrina thing. 13:42.331 --> 13:51.657 [SPEAKER_00]: And that changed a little bit like how I plan, like some stories that I thought, oh, Salem Light will give the artist some, we'll give him a break this time. 13:51.677 --> 13:53.938 [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, now we're gonna all fail him all the time. 13:54.138 --> 13:55.859 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's exciting. 13:56.579 --> 14:03.263 [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that I ask almost about every single book that involves magic, but what is your approach to magic? 14:03.403 --> 14:09.247 [SPEAKER_02]: Because, you know, you could go wild and free, you could set up very specific rules somewhere in between. 14:09.647 --> 14:10.688 [SPEAKER_02]: How did you hit it for this book? 14:11.648 --> 14:20.073 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, my initially, when I was first talking like with my editor Megan, who, by the way, I should shout out to Megan, amazing editors, make this book so much better. 14:20.567 --> 14:23.629 [SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of it's because of this kind of being able to balance things. 14:24.250 --> 14:33.497 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, you know, writing you, I think magic needs to have a price, because you can't always just have somebody go the answer to this is this magic stick. 14:34.237 --> 14:38.420 [SPEAKER_00]: And yet Sabrina has this power where she literally can in Shandestick and be like, oh. 14:39.521 --> 15:01.399 [SPEAKER_00]: now the stick falls like literally she has a broomstick that can fly in a lot of the comics so that's sort of an opportunity but it can also be a problem because then where's the drama but at the same time a lot of stories that deal with magic I feel like they can be dower because it's like oh you're being punished for this special ability and that's not fun either 15:03.192 --> 15:13.971 [SPEAKER_00]: So my initial conception of it was that, oh, maybe the magic flows and it's just about directing it and because she has a special power, she can direct it in one point or another. 15:14.983 --> 15:33.953 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a little bit how we're doing it, but it's sort of falling more on the spectrum of she's inexperienced just as we meet her she's only just found out she's a witch before this she hadn't been awoken to her like she didn't even know and her answer kept it secret in case it didn't happen. 15:34.453 --> 15:38.576 [SPEAKER_00]: So, we're meeting her at a time when she's learning to direct it. 15:38.797 --> 15:47.563 [SPEAKER_00]: So, a lot of the problems she gets into aren't like, oh, you're being punished because you overstepped and you metled in a domain, and you shouldn't have metled in. 15:47.603 --> 15:57.170 [SPEAKER_00]: It's more like, she gets overconfident or she's underconfident, and she should really believe in herself and do try harder. 15:58.151 --> 16:01.133 [SPEAKER_00]: or she's neglected the responsibilities. 16:01.334 --> 16:05.377 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a lot more about like, oh, I have this power and where we're here this before. 16:05.517 --> 16:06.077 [SPEAKER_00]: I have power. 16:06.217 --> 16:10.380 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so I have a responsibility to use it when a responsible way. 16:10.821 --> 16:16.505 [SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of the magic in Sabrina and this in my iteration is more about learning 16:17.192 --> 16:30.802 [SPEAKER_00]: how to use that responsibility so that she can be good to her friends, make sure that her family is safe, but also have fun with it because if you're a teenager and you have magic and you're not having fun, what on earth is this book? 16:32.835 --> 16:42.240 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to extend on that a little bit further, it's not just magic, it's also witchcraft, which is something that I think would Sabrina first came about, people like, which is funny. 16:43.001 --> 16:50.245 [SPEAKER_02]: There's been a change as we've come to understand that there are people that actually practice witchcraft in real life. 16:50.405 --> 16:54.007 [SPEAKER_02]: How much does that factor in to your approaching a book like Sabrina? 16:54.347 --> 16:57.869 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and did you pick up witchcraft just to get into the character more? 16:58.609 --> 17:02.632 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I thought about that and I always do a lot of research, you know, my science background. 17:02.712 --> 17:03.713 [SPEAKER_00]: I love research. 17:04.353 --> 17:13.480 [SPEAKER_00]: But I channeled my research more into looking at Archie and historical, like as many Sabrina comments as I could because I thought about that and I thought, 17:14.452 --> 17:20.855 [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's a thing that is something that people actually take very seriously and it's a serious thing. 17:21.555 --> 17:27.898 [SPEAKER_00]: And to at all, I don't know, almost make light of that, I felt like some just being not there. 17:28.558 --> 17:32.920 [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a thing that is sort of over there. 17:33.040 --> 17:36.202 [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like whatever Sabrina's got is not that. 17:36.342 --> 17:41.664 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not what people that practice like our weekends or whatever, this is not that because, 17:43.108 --> 17:51.496 [SPEAKER_00]: that this, as somebody who comes from a background that was a non-traditional religion, when I see that portrayed in weird ways on screen or in comics, I'm always kind of like, 17:52.353 --> 18:05.640 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, but I can't say right, you know, so I didn't want to make anybody feel like, oh, we're laughing at you or, oh, dull from that without truly having a deep understanding of that. 18:05.700 --> 18:07.921 [SPEAKER_00]: So in the end, I thought better. 18:08.001 --> 18:17.606 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even learn much about it because I mean, I know what I know from just friends at practice or whatever, but I didn't even, I had a couple of books that I thought I was going to read. 18:17.646 --> 18:19.166 [SPEAKER_00]: And in the end, I put them back in the library without. 18:21.171 --> 18:25.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Another very important part of any Archie Comics book is Romance. 18:26.614 --> 18:33.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Harvey has traditionally been the romantic foil interest, I guess, of Sabrina, but are we going to see him? 18:33.797 --> 18:35.218 [SPEAKER_02]: Is there going to be a triangle? 18:35.478 --> 18:36.959 [SPEAKER_02]: What are we going to ship? 18:37.559 --> 18:38.299 [SPEAKER_02]: Nick Scratch? 18:38.399 --> 18:39.460 [SPEAKER_02]: Is he going to show up at all? 18:40.440 --> 18:43.102 [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so no, no one's Scratch. 18:43.222 --> 18:45.263 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we talked about that. 18:45.483 --> 18:49.605 [SPEAKER_00]: And my initial idea on that was of course you have to have a party. 18:50.733 --> 18:51.213 [SPEAKER_00]: You have to. 18:51.233 --> 18:57.595 [SPEAKER_00]: That's so, um, that's part of the, you know, the iconic, definitely in there. 18:57.635 --> 19:14.300 [SPEAKER_00]: And also, um, you know, the world being what it is and no offense to the gentleman on the podcast or any gentleman listening, but often we get, um, not great portrayals of dudes in, not just in media, like popular media, but in the real world. 19:14.360 --> 19:15.240 [SPEAKER_00]: And we see a lot of this, 19:16.035 --> 19:25.265 [SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to her be to be like a cool guy that's good to his friends so that you could understand why somebody who had all this hidden talent and power. 19:25.678 --> 19:32.883 [SPEAKER_00]: would be interested in the sky that, in depending on which Sabrina comics read, sometimes he's kind of a doofus. 19:33.463 --> 19:34.784 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 19:35.504 --> 19:53.496 [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, like, as Tim went on, he had better portrayals, but especially like, back in the day, he's just like, in some of them, he even knows she has magic and he's just like, ah, Sabrina, get me some ice cream because you couldn't, like, I don't just like, ah, so I didn't want him to be like that. 19:56.113 --> 20:04.674 [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of it being like will he will they won't they that you understand that they're coming from this friend group thing they're all trying to be good friends to each other. 20:05.375 --> 20:21.677 [SPEAKER_00]: He has another friend that it seems like there might be a triangle, but the resolution is hopefully not what people will expect and she's also going to meet some people in another realm eventually that are maybe a little more magical so that she can have that contrast so. 20:27.199 --> 20:47.488 [SPEAKER_02]: you may or may not be able to have spoilers about but everybody loves Sabrina's ants they're always into them but there's a very different portrayals of them we've had them as sort of like the spinster ants or just living at home and that's pretty much it or take it to the TV show where they do get romantic interests so they do get arcs of their own how are you how are you handling them 20:48.881 --> 20:49.822 [SPEAKER_00]: I love writing them. 20:49.962 --> 20:57.226 [SPEAKER_00]: There's so much fun and I'm having them maybe a little more like the show just because I feel like they are characters. 20:57.266 --> 20:58.207 [SPEAKER_00]: They should get there too. 20:58.867 --> 21:10.794 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of we'll see more about the context for them in some of the backup stories where they get to star because there's not really a spot like Sabrina is so she's got such a main character energy. 21:12.155 --> 21:20.786 [SPEAKER_00]: that it's hard to have a whole main story where we leave her because I feel like every time I try to do that, she's like, hey, come look at me. 21:20.926 --> 21:22.608 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing something interesting over here. 21:23.209 --> 21:26.152 [SPEAKER_00]: But in the backup stories, I had some time to do that. 21:26.352 --> 21:29.716 [SPEAKER_00]: And I will say that in my iteration, I could not. 21:30.377 --> 21:43.166 [SPEAKER_00]: I could not step back from making Zelda a little more gen X and just sort of because she's always a little a surrogate and like that, but I thought what's more a surrogate than a gen X like now I'm not giving up my skinny jeans. 21:43.386 --> 21:45.348 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm out there with the fashion in. 21:45.888 --> 21:46.389 [SPEAKER_00]: I do me. 21:47.509 --> 21:52.473 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like that's sort of a good role model for Sabrina to like to have somebody that's just like, eh, 21:55.556 --> 22:00.782 [SPEAKER_02]: over all now that you are six issues in and presumably really hitting your stride here. 22:01.102 --> 22:01.743 [SPEAKER_02]: What have you learned? 22:01.763 --> 22:07.370 [SPEAKER_02]: What was different about tackling that first issue versus later on later on? 22:07.771 --> 22:08.532 [SPEAKER_02]: Later on on the run. 22:10.103 --> 22:11.724 [SPEAKER_00]: it's always a bit of a heavy lift. 22:12.605 --> 22:21.812 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though I do a lot of outlining and getting into it like I had to have Archie, it was not just our editors at O'Neigh, but also Archie signs off on everything. 22:21.933 --> 22:32.321 [SPEAKER_00]: So it is the sort of two step process where for the outline of the first jump look for issues that went to Archie and that came back and we adjusted things so that everything felt 22:33.230 --> 22:35.272 [SPEAKER_00]: correct to their world too because that's very important. 22:35.652 --> 22:46.841 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the first issue, the main thing is I have the outline so I know exactly what happens, but then just getting the voices right and knowing it's going to change over time. 22:47.041 --> 22:53.907 [SPEAKER_00]: So even though the outline shows like okay, because all the way through and I actually did at least some outlining for the first 12-year-long issues. 22:54.227 --> 22:58.650 [SPEAKER_00]: So I know where things are going, but getting that voice right for 23:00.632 --> 23:23.683 [SPEAKER_00]: because like there's in the first issue, there's Sabrina's friend group, there's Sabrina, Salem, so we have to introduce everybody, so it's sort of the speedrun, like meet this person, and they don't have a lot of real estate, but they have to say something that sounds like them and act like them, so I'm sure that's even harder for the artists, but yeah, for me that's the heavy lift. 23:25.223 --> 23:26.886 [SPEAKER_03]: Well listen this all sounds amazing. 23:27.046 --> 23:34.180 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm very excited to check that out before you let you go though Is there I know you have a lot of projects always going anything else you would like to plug 23:35.296 --> 23:35.716 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, gosh. 23:35.776 --> 23:43.603 [SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is the big one right now, but of course, block type also for Omy came out in the trade this year. 23:43.663 --> 23:50.789 [SPEAKER_00]: So blood type EC comics, it's the first mini series that rolled out of one of the short EC titles. 23:50.949 --> 23:59.096 [SPEAKER_00]: So when Omy launched all of those EC and one was that, oh, gosh, two years ago, something like that. 23:59.496 --> 24:00.357 [SPEAKER_00]: Incredible. 24:00.857 --> 24:03.039 [SPEAKER_00]: I've done a whole lot of those from I think at this point of 24:04.603 --> 24:08.424 [SPEAKER_00]: 13 stories, but over a bunch of titles. 24:08.544 --> 24:15.966 [SPEAKER_00]: But blood type is the one that ended up being I loved eight of the vampire and she ended up with her own mini series. 24:15.986 --> 24:20.948 [SPEAKER_00]: So I hope people will check that out if they want something a little more on the forer with more blood. 24:21.508 --> 24:22.088 [SPEAKER_00]: The specter. 24:23.953 --> 24:34.497 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll create a thank you so much for coming on and reminder for anybody listening Sabrina the teenage which number one is coming out from only press on October 7th with the final order cut off coming up very soon. 24:34.537 --> 24:43.801 [SPEAKER_02]: So get your comic shop order at Karina Here's some children yelling in the background about bones or something so that you get back to them. 24:43.821 --> 24:44.901 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much for your time. 24:45.682 --> 24:46.382 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much. 24:58.233 --> 25:17.561 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll let's just turn back to number one The reason's in my head again I want the beat There's no gonna mind We take time, it's in sales And it's in now And it's out of the sales It's out of the box 25:26.395 --> 25:41.651 [SPEAKER_01]: They sit on crappy couches and they let us see the moon And he's just a monkey, they're like fast, they're short, they're speaking So grab your ring, hammer, don't be late for it, don't fail