[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Forty K-Lorecast.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Forty-K-Lorecas with me, John Barsati and Brad Chester.
[SPEAKER_00]: Good sky.
[SPEAKER_00]: Today, we'll be jumping into Titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yay, they're big, they're stompy, they're tall, and they don't make any sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they are abominations of the laws of physics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're behind it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We also get links to Brad's YouTube channel where he reviews the game more from a competitive standpoint.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a lot of interesting stuff over there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go give that a listen.
[SPEAKER_00]: You get linked to our other show, the history of 40k, where we talk about how this game used to be really broken.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whoa.
[SPEAKER_00]: Link to my other show, Retro Recall, where I talk
[SPEAKER_00]: pilot wings.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was it came with a super Nintendo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't play it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You played it.
[SPEAKER_00]: You just don't remember because no one does and someone told me about it like, oh, I came with fun.
[SPEAKER_00]: Does.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one does.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you remember like, oh, I came.
[SPEAKER_00]: I played that 42 times when it first came out and then never played it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's pilot wings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Patreon is just in general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For those that don't know, pokanos are a small mountain range in Northeast PA.
[SPEAKER_00]: It spelled differently than I just pronounced it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So deal with it, whatever I got an accent, I can't help it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It interestingly was the honeymoon capital of the world, the 60s and 70s, this sucks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's full of these kitschy motels with a heart shaped hot tubs and other things that do not clean well.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you, by the way, they're all still there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So also double,
[SPEAKER_00]: You, it's also a home of a bunch of coal mines, so this might be where Derek Zulander's from.
[SPEAKER_00]: Start it out there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: He could have the black lung.
[SPEAKER_00]: For those of you who play paintball, you may, and you're living in the East Coast, you've probably been to the Polkanos, because I've played paintball there.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are 750 acres of paintball there.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is one of the largest paintball areas.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically paintball counter strike goes on there, which is super cool and I realize that's an old reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: I should be staying paintball Fortnite, but I refuse to.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm staying paintball counter strike.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're skiing there, but we have European listeners and West Coast listeners, and I'm not going to insult them by referring to the Pocodos as ski slopes.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been to the Alps, but I've been to the Pocodos, and I'm going to just show dignity these people.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is tranquil.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's lovely.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're going to go there.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to camp and you're going to like it, or else it's for lovers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, get the misqueda spray.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just trust me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get the good misqueda.
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is one of their signs and says that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of a thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: Talk to me about poison.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this come up a lot, but also it's a great way to interact with other people, get letters your recommendations, gameplay recommendations, I had those are kill teams, part of us doing really, really well, really great advice people who want to play again, my kill team, a just sick mark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, onto tall things this is hard for Brad Brad doesn't like Titans because they're tall and that's makes it hard for Brad to get there I do have to say that I'd like anything that has a James Bond injector seed in them at least
[SPEAKER_00]: They do have that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has slightly, I'm gonna inject out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna be honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: If the mechanic them found out you ejected from the thing that they spent, I don't know, a thousand years building.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna hunch it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a James body ejector seat, my friend.
[SPEAKER_00]: If there's no reason for it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, if it's blowing up, there's no distance you could eject.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know that one out there too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, all right, so when we cover the night houses, we touch the tight meetings a little bit and a bunch of you'll make comments.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, guys, go cover them more in depth.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, that's it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Here we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now, Knights and Titans, there are similarities, but there's a lot of differences.
[SPEAKER_00]: The similarities is that both of them are constructed by the Mechanicum.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, the way they function are massively different.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Knight houses will swear at allegiance, either Questor and Periodolis or Questor and Mechanicum, and that means they're either loyal to the Mechanicum or loyal to the Imperium.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's more of an on paper thing because they actually function as independent houses.
[SPEAKER_00]: A night house is self-governed.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are feudal lords in their own world, even though some of them are also shabby.
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the big things in the night house is their self-sustained.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: So on a planet, you occasionally do have multiple night houses on a single planet on very large planets, but they are their own thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And whereas the Titan legions in other hand are 100% mechanical, they have branches within them, but they're all mechanical.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't run their own planets.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's not some nobility within them, like with
[SPEAKER_00]: They are a leechyotitanica.
[SPEAKER_01]: Harold, there's a awesome John on the table.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks sweet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, banners are possible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Help, help by being repressed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Come and see the violence inherent in the system.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but look at my computer banner, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, one thing we need to talk about before we get to any of this, though, is Saint George.
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, getting ready for this cast, I could not stop with the John's obsession with this.
[SPEAKER_01]: We were going to go pretty, pretty long and deep into with this one.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, then I just threw him on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, we'll go to the city.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love sending bread notes, knowing that the point notes he's going to get to and just roll his eyes at me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just like, what is even the happening here?
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're doing this.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So just so people know, there is a story of St. George.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nothing story for most people except for the English, being there's like the story a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the story of St. George is in Libya, because it was Libya, there was a dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, I'm sorry, this is Canon, deal with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the dragon wanted food.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the villagers kept giving the dragon livestock.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then, and out of livestock, well, it was they were giving him pairs of, I think it was sheep.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I livestock.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're giving him people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a random drawing apparently, and whatever.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you got your random drawing, you had to walk to the cave, they're eaten by the dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And one day, they chose a princess.
[SPEAKER_00]: And,
[SPEAKER_00]: There yes, no one agreed to take her place.
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that this is literally an epic poem.
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're reduced it down to, hey, a dude was rolling by and saw girl cry.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he said, what's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: She was like, I really don't want to be killed by a dragon.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, how about if I just roll it and drop an arcade out of nowhere on this guy?
[SPEAKER_01]: But what I wanted to be super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I like about this a lot, by the way, though, is it's like, so because the story of the, understand, take the story from when it was written, this story, by the way, is not a new story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the princess was going to die.
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to bring one princesses weren't that valuable at this age.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what makes the story so funny This is like saying you love the princesses from the dress.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: We do that in later Stance is he can in early stories and everyone who's a history buff knows this princesses were used to Barter better things and so I was like, oh, the princess is gonna die not the prince.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll see you
[SPEAKER_00]: You're a little swagged dragon bro.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, George was a Roman soldier.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would note Roman soldier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he just was apparently the first one to go, hey, why don't you guys just kill the dragon?
[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone went, oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good idea.
[SPEAKER_00]: George later was the capitated for refusing to renounce his Christianity side note because he is a saint.
[SPEAKER_00]: But GW took this story and went a different direction.
[SPEAKER_00]: And their different directions, it turns out that Roman soldier was the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was just wandering around North Africa one day and discovered a shard of the void dragon or a group of shards of the void dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's parts not clear.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this void dragon was just eating sheep hanging out in Libya, kind of like I inverted Noah, you know, two by two just eating up all the livestock.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then printed a whole jet off my planet, your damn dirty
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, oh, where's Miles should be?
[SPEAKER_00]: This is canon, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: He grabbed the C-10 and went to Mars with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I guess the GW Ryers had watched, I want to go Superman 4.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think this was.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, that would be sucked.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then, got to Mars with the C-10 and used his mind powers to build a super vault and shove the C-10 in it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I guess we're back to her if I did this before we left and read the bunch of people not to this lab report said not to this lab Yeah, and he got a bunch of people and made them forever guard this C10 on Mars That's the story also that is the story is guys would have died pretty quick
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so couple notes on this, the story of St. George is set during the Roman Empire.
[SPEAKER_00]: So two or three hundred AD, so the people guarding the vault had been doing so or currently at 40,000 years of guarding.
[SPEAKER_00]: And according to GW, no one got there till around 17,000 AD.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a lot of questions here, like, what they, they do in real 380.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, did these people get transported there during the Roman era?
[SPEAKER_00]: What was that like, did the Emperor just grab a bunch of people who were like, wandering around in tunics and sandals and then just go, oh, by the way, I have full electricity.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, this is the future world.
[SPEAKER_00]: What happened here?
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, were they breeding or did he just turn them into mortals?
[SPEAKER_00]: Did the Emperor ever visit, just check on them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey.
[SPEAKER_00]: how's it going here at the lab or in the guys?
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just want to check thinking that he did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I assume that he just did like Dr. Manhattan did and just teleported the bump and made a structure.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're all just sitting there like I was literally eating a goat's ear or whatever they were eating in life of Brian.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm like now I'm sitting in
[SPEAKER_00]: golden age of technology tech just and also the Emperor does this and just goes back to hiding for 20,000 years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a story.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what happens.
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, let's talk about what happens now because now there's a void dragon on Mars.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's important.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a, again, important.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure, because there are no C-tents.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is an important, everything is a chart at this point.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are bases of basically broken starguards, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And each C-tant is unique.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are, because C-tant are not a species.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an important thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're a collection of entities with a similar core construct, because they're all starguards.
[SPEAKER_00]: they don't breed, not where they can reproduce, it's basically implied that they were created with the universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: When the universe was created, the C10 were created, or it's sometimes around that.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they each had their own style and ability.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when the Necrontier helped the C10 kind of
[SPEAKER_01]: become beings, you see, then, took on, you know, say it's, we did a lot in the cast for it because that's something I'd like to go back to and a later date because it took him so long to communicate with him, which was fascinating for me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, they're doing this for thousands of years in the middle of a war, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we've talked about before we have the deceiver of the night bringing a void dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a reason that they're very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look very different.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the void dragon interacts with non-organic life.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it does, but not like stone or metal.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a forge.
[SPEAKER_00]: He does it with the flow of electricity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the best way to explain it, but at a much higher level.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, he's a hacker.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that movie sucked.
[SPEAKER_00]: Side note, oh, remember hackers, oh, very much.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do like that you've had a couple strokes and one thing that have left is just bad movies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you couldn't lose any of that stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember them perfectly.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that's the best I was yesterday.
[SPEAKER_00]: No idea, no idea, but the plot of Cobra got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pagan, the X is baby.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God, oh, his movies are shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the reason the obvious thing I'm bringing this up is, for example, it's implied the Voyage Dragon was part of the creation of the Necron Necrodurmus.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it became very pivotal in the war in heaven because it was one of the main architects of the Blackstone weapons.
[SPEAKER_00]: What later became the Pai lost the fact that the Katantan interact more freely with the physical
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's hard to know what exactly is on Mars.
[SPEAKER_00]: What we know is that the original void dragon was blown into sharks.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that when sharks are near each other, they bond together to form a larger shark.
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's starting to read part of the new lore of the Necrons.
[SPEAKER_01]: Nemezaur is currently trying to do that with the Night Brigade.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is trying to not try to go see, he had the opportunity to put them near each other
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a lot of don't cross the streams going on with Shards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Effectively, you put too many Shards together and you get something you can't control pretty quickly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: They begin to gain consciousness quick, which is not ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually the same thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: The irony is it's sitting with Magnus by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Magnus is also broken to Shards.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you bring enough Shards together, it actually can create enough of the original that you get a problem.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so at the same time, all the shards aren't even.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they're broken up into even parts.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like breaking a pane of glass.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some pieces of glass are larger than others.
[SPEAKER_00]: Some are tiny shards.
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the ones that the necrons are usually using the power they're reactors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Others are larger shards, which are the ones that the scarabs kind of lash and then they're used for war.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the Brad's exact point just now like the night bringer ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's been applied to one that was on Libya, was a large shard, like a very large one, and it had escaped capture from the Necrons, and was just hanging out on Earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I should note, GW is going to do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just occurred to me this morning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to, this gave me goosebumps.
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought about it earlier.
[SPEAKER_00]: The war in heaven concluded right about the time the meteor hit Earth.
[SPEAKER_00]: don't be surprised when GW does this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just don't be now, the media hit Mexico, St. George's in Libya, details details.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just letting you know now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will grown audibly if that becomes canon, calling it out now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what matters more is the implication of the C10.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like having a boat.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't get that reference, go watch, always sign up for it, I'll feel it off you.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the void dragon doesn't just affect mechanical things by intent, it's just general presence is there.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason, so in the game, they have aura abilities.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a movie this was in, like, I couldn't place some of your trying to research guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't find it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the idea is that once mankind arrived on Mars,
[SPEAKER_00]: There's this giant vault underground that they're not even aware of, because the Emperor hate it really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sort of, even though there's people living in it, whatever, not important.
[SPEAKER_00]: The original Martian settlers are just developing technology, like you would anywhere, and they're just having breakthrough on top of breakthrough on top of breakthrough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever endeavor they're trying to achieve, they're just solving.
[SPEAKER_01]: they literally consider divine intervention.
[SPEAKER_01]: The divine, sorry, not an intervention, divine inspiration.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I love this because the Emperor is basically responsible for the religion, two religions, because the Amnesty, because they worshiped him as a God, because he was the creator for them of their God, and he was also now worshiped
[SPEAKER_01]: as they got.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also put their god there.
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, oopsies.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because yet, Mars is the origin of the STCs, putting about the void dragon, what it's doing on Mars, is these breakthroughs they're having.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are real breakthroughs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like, oh, this works because we're in the presence of the void dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're just figuring stuff out better.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so all of these breakthroughs, every is coming out of Mars.
[SPEAKER_00]: So over time, Mars,
[SPEAKER_00]: starts to become this incredible place.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's also quite likely that this is the origin of the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go John theory time here because I think the machine spirit was a creation of the boy dragon.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the boy dragon.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, I'm going to get into it a lot of this because there's, but you can talk to machine spirits when you're talking about talents, as opposed to other small executives.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do communicate because I think the machine spirit was the void dragon trying to the kind of its subconscious, trying to create consciousness, but then Vastor came and inject
[SPEAKER_00]: And the values is that my opinion.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is all the machine spirit.
[SPEAKER_01]: The machine guide is what they worship, which is, perceived to be a very large chart, like you were saying, they don't break apart equally.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's also been buried in this.
[SPEAKER_01]: another reason for what happens to this if the emperor wakes up and if they lose this what he's doing because he's he ever does so many things right now was tried the astromanica he's pretty busy defending also he's still imprisoning the void dragon that's one of his many things that he's doing daily yes you're the labyrinth is being controlled by his second gaur it's not doesn't have like its own little thing going he is the shield holding it in place
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and by the way, easy little people wants to open it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, call, like, more to open that vault.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me just have a little chat with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No call, bad calls, no slap, bad call, squirt bottle.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what happens over time, though, after, you know, the dark age of technology, remember, Mars comes out of the dark age of the dark age of the dark.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to talk about that in a second a little bit early, but Mars, even before that, is a massive forged planet, making spaceship.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is door mortar and the golden age, making spaceships, making everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's get into how kind of much they made.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the origins of titans are both fun and stupid at the same time, fun because they're cool and stupid because a story makes no damn sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: Age of strife hits the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mars goes into anarchy like everything else.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, should have been wrecked by the men of iron, but they weren't.
[SPEAKER_01]: They never say why I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_00]: That, well, so there's a lot of hints in K&GW lore that Vash Tor is the source of all of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Vash Tor basically infected it everywhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: The argument in my mind is I think because of the void dragon, it didn't work there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Vash Tor, because they were further away from him, from the void dragon, his, his, um, he could be on the scrap code, wasn't as successful, complete John theory there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Mars does still go into it at the time.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were also the progenitors of a lot of this stuff.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you think that they'd have just wild AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're so unusual.
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though there's a band on AI, they still have AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm assuming there was just
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, planted wide AI stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, 1,000% of John theory.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think the scrap code went in and the aura of the void dragon prevented it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the aura of the emperor, one of the two, maybe a combo of both prevented it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why Mars survived, but don't know, okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fact a matter though is that age of striped hits and the planet is not ideal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it doesn't go great.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_00]: As it goes through, though, a new threat arrives.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's almost no information on these guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've spent a ton of time looking up.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just mentioned in one of Horace's books.
[SPEAKER_00]: A new cult appears on Mars, called the Sai Carnivora.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot's known about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're a heretical,
[SPEAKER_00]: group who worship machine guts, but bad way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they may have been bash door.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was C-10.
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just known that the beliefs were debased as opposed to it.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it has to be because of the fact that they
[SPEAKER_01]: They Satanism sells aren't, aren't just pure power and almost outside of the world.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's a vast door.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the sound they were talking about shows too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: The Satan are evil, but they're,
[SPEAKER_00]: evil for evil sake almost they just didn't listen to and they also don't want to interact with humanity they were just they don't care about they're so far above humanity they don't they barely went and actually in that cross like yeah I was saying care it took the necrotic secretary so long to basically have them realize they existed and have a way to communicate
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we do know about this icon of ours, they can at his massive machines of war, and they didn't have control of all of our, they began conquering Mars with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the mechanicum who were losing the planet came up with a genius plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: What if we just make bigger shit?
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens if they keep making bigger boards with bigger nails?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and that's what that was it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So for those who don't know fun story, another gonna John science fact of the day, Mars is a really weird planet.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Southern Hemisphere is mountainous because the those who don't know the largest volcano in the galaxy is on Mars.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's named as it's giving me right now and I should note off thought my head to Olympus or his model of this.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why also.
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have to wake that up, you know why?
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know more about the northern hemisphere, which is basically Ohio, and it is flat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cano in galaxy.
[SPEAKER_01]: It is big big.
[SPEAKER_00]: A liposmons.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the liposmons, obviously, largest volcano galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, to Brad's point, the northern part of Mars is the flatest part of the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really good for giant walking robots of death.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, side card of Vora were doing their little uppity BS, and then a cancun went, hey, what if we put the biggest guns we ever made, and the biggest walking things we ever made is wander over that way where there is no cover as Brad discovered in fifth and sixth edition, a depticon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you know, what are my favorite things to build?
[SPEAKER_01]: Endgame Siv, giant death robots.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I will say there are anyone who played this game on the tabletop during some of the early renditions knows sometimes you went to a tournament that sold a few more tickets and they had boards for and you have a few extra ladies like bowling ball.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, and that's what happened.
[SPEAKER_00]: So these things the side kind of or a stop to exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then afterwards, the rest of the planet got conquered.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, with that, I want to talk about how the titans function for a little bit, because let's get into, like, all right, they made a giant robot.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean by that?
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, don't forget with an ejector C.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't eject or see this thing on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of just love that part about it.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of details on titans where I like you.
[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: First off, titans are like nights in that they are a human driven with an AI aid.
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I saw a lot different, and they talk about it with the size, I've read this comics, in the Titan comic for GW for this.
[SPEAKER_01]: When they first took up and the print set set up, which the print sets are the ruling, the people that run the titans, the pilots, yeah, the high school print set, yeah, but when they hook up with it, the machine spirit just says, hey, how's it going, you know?
[SPEAKER_01]: which is usually not what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Machine spirits are almost like trying to communicate with someone we jabored style, you know, trying to figure out things.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is fully aware AI.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not supposed to be used like officially the Imperium, not even the Imperium, just I guess it is always the Imperium on it, but like humanity, just bandai, period.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it, even though it's one, it's super used them, though.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's because this one feels more like there's AI, but it's blocked off from certain areas where the AI is just sitting there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like clippy.
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got the AI is clippy, but like clippy is here to make the legs move.
[SPEAKER_00]: So clippy is screw you for me and that much younger than me.
[SPEAKER_00]: but that's how I view it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit more, I mean, it's not quite clawed because that'd be scary.
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's going to this.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the way it works is it's similar to Pacific Rim, which again is ripped off from this, so screw them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You interface into it and you are now part of the machine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Your the whole machine is your thoughts and the AI is designed to basically take your thoughts and
[SPEAKER_01]: If you didn't have an AI buffer, your little feeble human brain would get obliterated.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a tiny melt in this set, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's interesting is you're not alone in here.
[SPEAKER_00]: GW did it right, that's can credit.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there's a moderate artist, but they pluralize it to moderate out tie, which I was so happy to correctly, I was expecting to do this wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: They got it right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you do have the main pilot, who is the prince up and the moderate out tie, which can be too up and think for is the most that they have.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the biggest ones have four of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's job is these four.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, their job is to help out the rivers only up to the four only in now the rivers have to the fours are in the warlord or in the Emperor tights.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the river Mars Titan had it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one per weapon, it's one per weapon system.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pretty cool, because the idea is the principle is the thinking of the type, the principle one moving the type and around, taking it to a war, wandering around, but the weapon systems, those are, like, there's a cycle and do all this stuff, so each of them has a mother artist who actually runs it, and so that person just focuses on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even the principle is telling them the fire and where to aim.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the machine spirit to Brad's point is they're easier to describe now actually in 2026 never before because we have Claude, Jim and I in chat, which worked out really well for GW, better than I wanted to have from New Orleans on.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this one's a little uncanny and then they got real lucky here if I'm being honest.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the machine spirit in the Titans handle all the function of the vehicle.
[SPEAKER_00]: The concept kind of thinks, but then all of the action is done by the AI.
[SPEAKER_00]: All the carbs, all the pistons.
[SPEAKER_00]: It figures out how to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I have to take a step with my giant Titan leg,
[SPEAKER_00]: the AI is going to make all those calculations in an instant.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to move the pistons.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to generate the power.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to adjust them basically.
[SPEAKER_00]: They hit flexors for lack of a better thing, but phrase to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: As I fire the weapons, it's going to anchor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to do all of those things, which is a lot more work than the orcs stompa does, which just shoots the damn weapon, because that's what it's going to do, because it orcs believe that's what it needs to do, just saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It depending on a lot of the lore, I think that there still is.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not supposed to be, but like, in some of the writings, I think they're just firewalled.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be like, maybe they get, and they got to hacked out because they've had ones that got corrupted and then went absolutely,
[SPEAKER_00]: I do not disagree with you.
[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe the AIs in here are not the same ones that are sitting that are right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is not off the county way, shape or format.
[SPEAKER_00]: These are, it's just their firewalls off.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is basically they have an AIs and they go on the, hey, you know, let the drive the whole thing and the pilot going,
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, man, I'm good.
[SPEAKER_00]: The machine's with it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seriously, I could take over the whole thing to all the words you would have done.
[SPEAKER_00]: You could go get a soda.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, eat it for mass effect.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's telling you to uncheck it.
[SPEAKER_01]: You could just take all the restrictions off me.
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's going to work out perfect.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you could just, all you do is just go up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the lounge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Have a soda.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe get a hot dog at the Costco on level 42.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great day.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great day.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing that again.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's I agree with you in that one.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be right back after a quick break.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fun thing about this is that the way the principle and then interact is still though identical to the way they interact within the night.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's actually also identical to the same way they work within the dread not I found out recently.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the same system.
[SPEAKER_00]: So no matter whether you it's got a mind impulse, whether you are in a Titan, a night,
[SPEAKER_00]: or a dread not the dread not ones a little bit more tragic obviously because it's not getting out especially if you're a case dread not you were well that's a different story that's a different one that's got a few other accoutrements to it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't watch cable A.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that one goes in the other hole.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, all right.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the union merges with the mind of the pilot and
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, guys, I have a very love hate relationship with Pacific Rim and my love hate is because 50% of the movie Pacific Rim is awesome and 50% of the movie sucks.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just calling it out and they should have pulled out the sword from the Yager immediately and started killing it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is because that movie is I think we can all agree half that movie is awesome and half that movie is shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: just this way it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's the same that concept where you do have to enter Lincoln and and it then your mind merges in, but it can overload you.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is one of the challenges within this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not everyone can drive a night.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not something that it will Brad's brain definitely not.
[SPEAKER_00]: God, no, you'd be rejected walking in, they'd like no out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would dominate out, out, out, out.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would unleash it immediately.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd go ahead, but you don't need to do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, even the KSA, I'd be like, no, not him.
[SPEAKER_00]: I would kick you back out.
[SPEAKER_00]: He'd be spared.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the challenge with these things is once you enter with them, not everyone can handle it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's a really key piece about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: With the nights one of the things that makes them unique is they don't really last very long.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I spring that up is that when the nights are made,
[SPEAKER_00]: It's every now and then a night gets handed down by like one maybe two generations, okay?
[SPEAKER_00]: Titans on the other hand will last millennia.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they show us all so holy crap they're big.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so this is also a different relationship.
[SPEAKER_00]: The night pilots is when we talked earlier, it's a main difference between the two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nights, you have a lineage, so I'm a night pilot and then one of my sons will become a night pilot.
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe of the same night, even as me, if I die somehow and then but my night doesn't die in the process, they're not that sturdy, it's more likely, we'll both go, but there's that piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: These things are pretty sturdy.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not dropping that off.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, you actually will just go to old age.
[SPEAKER_00]: So you actually do get change over in the principles there.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do have the ability to turn you in amniotic fluid, which they do to people.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it just becomes a, uh, is it Robocop 2?
[SPEAKER_01]: Were they do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: Robocop 3?
[SPEAKER_01]: I was more thinking of Gitarama when they put everybody's
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but yeah, I want to say it's Robocop 3 where there's the bad Robocop and it's just the guys brain and eyes, but anyway, fun story though about this is Remember how I said before that the titan legions are part of the mechanical.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also represent the only part of the mechanicum that's not cybernetically augmented, because the whole mechanicum is obsessed with the weakness of flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the only way to get rid of the weakness of flesh is less flesh.
[SPEAKER_00]: However, mind impulse units really like flesh turns out.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the print steps and the motto out I have to have as much flesh as possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is weird, we think about, if you think about, like, print steps of wandering around and everyone around him is, like, skittari, and it's like, yeah, oh, like, it also makes her pretty dangerous work environment.
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're just, if everywhere you go is made for ad mech, and you're, oh, shit, you have this roll out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, wow, is that kind of be a dangerous work environment?
[SPEAKER_01]: I swear, there's spinning blades.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I just, there's a random thought that I have of, oh, yeah, so you're just,
[SPEAKER_00]: The ad make built this thing, which means the way in and out of it, the ad make built, probably for them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to go, yeah, but I don't have claws.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, oh, yeah, yeah fair point fair point fair point fair point how do we get you in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: How do we get you in there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's get into some of the sizes of these things, because they can be large and in charge.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so just for comparison size, a Warhound Titan, which is the smallest, the scout Titan is, yeah, 20 meters of 60 feet.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Emperor Titans are 100 meters of 300 feet, and we're going to get more of them a little bit later.
[SPEAKER_00]: But these things function like many starships.
[SPEAKER_00]: They have crews moving around inside of them, living inside of them on the big ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: There are quarters, mess halls, marines.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's my favorite when I first read about titans forever go when I it was it I think uh, the codex imperial or codex cast and they talk about the actual ecosystems inside the titans of the aperium and so.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they do though, especially on the emperor class titans, they're so large.
[SPEAKER_00]: We give him just 300 foot titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's gonna have like sleeping quarters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, as I was just saying, it's staff by the ad-max, so the OSHA level of this place is magnificent.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for anyone who understands this phrase, the flag flag on the ship is from a country you probably haven't heard of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because that way, it doesn't have to abide by the laws of let's say somewhere with more strict labor laws.
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about some of the types of titans that exist, because I think that's one of the many like I wrote.
[SPEAKER_00]: Titans are broken into three main categories.
[SPEAKER_00]: Scout, battle, emperor, and scout are the smallest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Battle are the most varied, and they're the mid-sized, and the most numerous, and the emperor are the stupid large.
[SPEAKER_00]: The scout are the Warhound Titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really all that they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are playable right now in Warhammer 40K.
[SPEAKER_00]: They clocking currently at 1100 points.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Brad Bull, let me play one.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're so fast and they have no I've asked you more steps.
[SPEAKER_00]: Their rules are terrible.
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, the only rules that are worse are the rapier time of the rapiers, which are, well, we have a really little ones.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're basically bad nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the rapiers are useless, but I looked at it and I really wanted to make a War Hound Titan work, because when you see that many wounds, it does get exciting, but then you realize the other, your opponent just doesn't care.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: You better bring it up for the vacation.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the lore, they're cool as hell.
[SPEAKER_00]: because in the lore, they refer to a scout titans, which makes you think that they sneak around and they actually kind of do, but they think around, they're gigantic.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are there, but very God engine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you know what, Titan fans, the one that bugs me in the scout class is still the dire wolf class, because it is no business being in the scout titan class.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a medium sized Titan.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a scout Titan.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm standing.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It height-wise it is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just that he's put a giant can in the back of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing's fantastic.
[SPEAKER_00]: The direwolf ones are hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, what if we just put a giant gun on the back and make it blow stuff up?
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's like a nice, but yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just carries one of the large guns from the other guys on it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: On its back, perfect system.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Warhound Titans, what they do is they're equipped with the plasma cannons, turbo laser destroyers, Vulcan Bolters.
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea is depending on the foe they use stealth air quotes there and sneak up on the enemy because it's a 60 foot machine with giant plasma generators being sneaky.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, by the way, in this cast, ignore the fact that there is a chameleon generator that's written into the lore.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not discussing that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I refuse to discuss that because there are limits to my brain handling the poor scanning capabilities of the Warhammer 40K universe.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will not accept the fact that they tell me they found a way to
[SPEAKER_00]: calling it out now.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know some of you are aware of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: Just no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the main goal of the Warhound Titans, though, is actually to draw the enemy in, because what they're loaded with is still substantial firepower.
[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot ignore them.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when they rush out and attack the enemy, you have to counter them, and the warhounds real trick is actually in their retreat, not in cowardice, but in planning.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the trick is get the enemy to follow them, back towards big brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the main thing because that's why Brad mentioned the direwolf one in case people weren't going to follow enough, they'll bring the direwolf by the way is a warhound titan with a backpack of a just giant.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a comically big guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does look stupid by the way, but it's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty big gun.
[SPEAKER_00]: The idea is they're going to bring them back into the battle titan class, which is much more varied.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where the scout titan class really is just the warhound with a couple of variations, the battle titan is massive.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's actually over 10 variants within it at least and it can get even wider depending on how you want to find them because some of them have some.
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, the rivers used to have a whole bunch of different variations of them, even though they are considered the same classification, but depending on the armaments of the river titans, they were basically their own class inside that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, and so this class of battle Titan really falls into two groups fighting other Titans and fighting not Titans and in the fight not Titans You have tons of subgroups into that obviously and we'll start with Brad one Brad brought up the other revert Titan Which is the one thing most of us are aware of because there's a forge world of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've had it for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cost you $1,000 So you know if you want to get one get this does look cool
[SPEAKER_00]: And also for those who aren't aware of GW resin, it costs $1,000 and you're going to do a lot of Googling about what it's like working with GW resin before you spend that $1,000 because I hope you like your fingers glued together because they make the world to worst resin.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's holy shit.
[SPEAKER_00]: And sorry, I was building GW resin recently for my, I don't know, or sorry, I mean, I
[SPEAKER_01]: you continue while we get to talk about the battle class.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to talk about my other favorite one in this category, which also carries a wildly too big gun on this back.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get there.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the revert item is the mid-sized of the battle titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: It has a crew of 16.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have one print set, two moderate, and about 13 servitors.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, just move around it, doing repairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's built to be entered changeable.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weaponry, just depending on what range it's going to need, you know, does it need?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because this thing's made thing is a punch down.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does not fight Titans very routinely.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going after infantry, armor, fortification.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to bring the weapons it needs for that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got four avoid shields.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go into that just for a second on that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Avoid shields.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is dummy a down just a little bit for all practical purposes or rechargeable force field.
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes hits and then it takes a while to power up and then they power them back up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why I have four of them having four void shields is massive because it means that you have to get through each of them and then you actually have to get through them again also because it gives you time, which is why they a lot of times are able to take down the
[SPEAKER_01]: other things that might have the same fire power as them, but now the same defensive ability is down.
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_01]: So they don't get killed by the quake cannon or whatever, and then they get the fire back and kill it in all that time the void shields are firing back up.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the revertime's going to bring weapons to bear to paying lots of opposition.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's how they're going to bring super powered weapons to kind of blow through fortifications, just remove walls basically or in case, you know, some cases like the single void shields around fortifications.
[SPEAKER_00]: More often than not though, it's going to be used to take out armor.
[SPEAKER_00]: Armor infantry troops just absolutely just shred them.
[SPEAKER_00]: One of these will solo things.
[SPEAKER_00]: But beyond them, you get to the war bringer.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the war bringers the inverse.
[SPEAKER_00]: The war bringer is not meant to fight infantry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Matter of fact, it is bad at fighting anything else.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, terrible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It does one thing and one thing only in that kill type.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's built.
[SPEAKER_00]: without as much interchangeable because all its weapons are designed to punch through void shields.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it's designed to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: The war bringer kills Titans, and it has something called a Quake Cannon.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this gun is dumb, but fun dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it shoots a gun that it's designed to penetrate the surface of the ground, then it explodes with so much force that turns the ground to liquid.
[SPEAKER_00]: Fun side note, each shell contains a fragment of a planet that was exterminated.
[SPEAKER_00]: So each the idea is I'm going to shoot you with a piece of a condemned world because you are also condemned.
[SPEAKER_00]: Suck it!
[SPEAKER_00]: and the their concussive waves are actually able to take down the void shields, which meet multiple void shields.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is funny because Judd's biggest problem is he hates walkers.
[SPEAKER_01]: He talks like he's switching.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sweet the legs.
[SPEAKER_01]: No kind of any of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love that they have a weapon that does exactly what you want to do because a quick cannon puts a big hole under the dining.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then the Titan falls down.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've all seen the Empire Strikes Back.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, all of us, that's just like this is I'm sorry, guys.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why I find Walker stupid.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just they look super cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not some of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they have ankles.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
[SPEAKER_00]: So side note, a played rugby for a long time.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I played rugby, this is only where it's my rugby fans.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a guy who played fullback from us.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Tom was not a large man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Tom was maybe a five foot six, 140 pounds.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a small guy.
[SPEAKER_00]: He never missed a tackle.
[SPEAKER_00]: And his whole line was everyone's the same size of the ankles.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was a master at tackling guys at the ankles.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen someone so good at this in my life.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's true, and that's how it works.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hit him at the ankle, everything falls down, including giant walking robots of death and there's who would lie on their side and go, ah, add 209, what took out add 209, Brad, the ankles?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: Johnny, sweet little.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going Ed 209 was taken out by a stairwell.
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you want something more multipurpose, then you actually go with the most numerous of the Titans, which is actually also the largest, which are the Warlord Titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: These things.
[SPEAKER_00]: The largest.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's a thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone thought they were the largest.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to that in a second.
[SPEAKER_00]: This is why I said what a cool story.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the largest for a long time of the battle titans were the warlord titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the warlords, these are big.
[SPEAKER_00]: They accrues of over a hundred and would have the four-materaught tit one for each of the weapons systems.
[SPEAKER_01]: And for all the old gamers, they were the first to make it to epic.
[SPEAKER_01]: The game.
[SPEAKER_01]: the genomic game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: The forgot about the epic game.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they had six void shields incredible weaponry.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of these in the game Dawn of War, the weapon in Dawn of War 2 that they're on earthing.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was from one of these things.
[SPEAKER_00]: They are in effect invincible on the battlefield, do anything but another one of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They just six void shields you're in need orbital bombardment to get through.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they just wander around.
[SPEAKER_00]: They can walk in the
[SPEAKER_00]: Right in the middle, they're thinking of some of the weapons they give them are hilarious.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's the extripeter cannons, which is a conversion beam weapon, which shoots at you and just breaks all the matter down to atomic particles.
[SPEAKER_00]: You have the Grava Town Ruiner, which creates a gravity well wherever it's shooting and just crushes everything inside of it.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to remove, turn you into atoms or I'm going to crush you into a little tiny thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: which is or, this is so much weaker than, you know, a shooting giant gattling canons, which shoot huge, well, I mean, effectively they fire Volkswagen's at you and thousands of Volkswagen.
[SPEAKER_00]: Volkswagen's that explodes our ad are people's wagons that explode yes Volkswagen's that explode or plasma cannons that are just horrifying the way we need to bring plasma back to this game I know plasma's there plasma sucks now
[SPEAKER_00]: We need plasma should be base to damage over charged to plasma used to be awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Back at me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know.
[SPEAKER_00]: When you shot a great plasma, he died period.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my point.
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to plasma use to come back in plasma.
[SPEAKER_00]: Melt is still fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: Melt is just a strength ratio.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's too low right now.
[SPEAKER_00]: But plasma, we need to plasma need to glow up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Get it?
[SPEAKER_00]: But fun story on these, at the outset of the Horace Heresy, everyone discovered that the Warlord battle titan wasn't the largest, the mechanic on had been hiding from the Imperium another version of the battle titan, the Warmaster.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll cover some more of this next week, but I love this,
[SPEAKER_00]: these things were even larger and during the schism of Mars, the only reason we even knew they exist was entire sections of Mars just fell in an instant because they were so powerful.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they were playing a pretty big role in the horror's heresy, more in kind of stories, it's more a star screen thing, it's because it's more like a
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, these are unstoppable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my, turns out they are.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's my option.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, warm, warm, uh, because the mechanic I'm had hidden them away.
[SPEAKER_00]: Even the horse didn't know about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't tell Horace until the emperor.
[SPEAKER_00]: No one knew about them.
[SPEAKER_00]: The mechanic was storing these for a rainy day, which is a really cool story.
[SPEAKER_00]: Until you remember the emperor tightens also existed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the whole story I just told you made no sense because you're like, but there's also the emperor tightens.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is bigger than those.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm going to get flamed for this, but I'm calling it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They look stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: They are holding it on.
[SPEAKER_01]: They made a movie.
[SPEAKER_01]: They want this.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look silly.
[SPEAKER_01]: That cruiser out.
[SPEAKER_01]: What was that movie?
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I forgot.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Put it in the chat.
[SPEAKER_01]: They just had the movie where they had the cities.
[SPEAKER_01]: The fighting cities that drove around.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what they look like.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know you're talking about that movie was horrid.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it did exist.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a whole line of books and the movie or is it a movie or a video game now it's moving That was a video game.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the answer is yes
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure enough.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I hate these things and I hate them because they look, the model looks so dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like something designed by a grade schooler where someone said I can mix something bigger and they just stack shit on top of something else.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it looks like in me.
[SPEAKER_00]: GW should have made a Lego version of these, then that would be cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: I could go to my kids' player and build a Lego, one of these things, and they look dumb.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, they just looked up.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the cool thing is in literature, you don't have to look at them.
[SPEAKER_00]: You can read.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in literature, they sound awesome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every visualization of them I've ever seen, they look horrid.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just calling it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: They're false cities, but they look is ridiculous.
[SPEAKER_00]: Look them up, it looks ridiculous, it looks like just something that's someone shoved something on top of.
[SPEAKER_00]: that's what it looks like.
[SPEAKER_00]: But fun story, they are to Brad's point.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got a it's a walking robot with a hive city on top of it and a fire the way and a fix.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: But the nobility, they should have nobility and nobility of course live in the upper tier.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously they actually have like societies who live in these things full time.
[SPEAKER_00]: because they do, which you could because they are kind of invincible, which is weird because they get transported around.
[SPEAKER_00]: They also don't just like wander a city.
[SPEAKER_00]: They actually do get transported around from planet to planet, all process here.
[SPEAKER_00]: These ones are a bit harder from like a lower standpoint for me to take them seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the other stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like okay cool super giant death robot, but then you get to these ones I'm like so it's a city.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
[SPEAKER_00]: What do they do with the city?
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to a war zone and they fight
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they're pretty, they let you, yeah, they're very good for determining negotiations by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that part's great.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I forgot about that story.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a great story where, uh, so for those who don't remember, when the mechanical wanted to join the lords of terror, the lords of terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: tricked them.
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, actually, you guys are all traders and the heresy.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we're not going to let you join.
[SPEAKER_00]: And they began divvying up the mechanisms, holdings amongst the other loads of terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: And didn't notice the ground was shaking all a Jurassic Park until.
[SPEAKER_00]: And what was this thing called it?
[SPEAKER_00]: It's heightened, titan magnificent.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the one walled stover and basically they probably they tried to stop it and just it walked through stuff and they were like so about that seed on Tara, no, it was a terror.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they did get it.
[SPEAKER_00]: And these things are amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the lore they are cool is help because like the other one was yet Metallum Olympus.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the one who stopped the tier new invasion.
[SPEAKER_00]: There was a full blown tear in the patient and it's soloed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like it did solo it because it stopped the tear in the patient and I like this story because the tear in it couldn't get past it.
[SPEAKER_00]: The hive mind made an adjustment and went fine.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll send our nights.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's at high reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Makes bunches of higher offense down there.
[SPEAKER_00]: to which Mattel Olympus still went.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll kill those two.
[SPEAKER_00]: What what you got.
[SPEAKER_00]: Eventually though that high mind was successful enough and began taking down Mattel Olympus and the principal named Goethy was inside it just went, alright, big red button time and hit big red button and the planet horse prime they were on now has a crater you can see from space but you know
[SPEAKER_00]: Good job, Mattel.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a lipis.
[SPEAKER_01]: Good job.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can see him.
[SPEAKER_01]: What's a winner of salt has him too, and don't have more.
[SPEAKER_01]: You fight over the, tighten house.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you fight over the, tighten house.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the last thing we're talking about is kind of the orders of the Titan just to help people understand how this is and we'll close on this before we in the next week.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Colligia Titanium.
[SPEAKER_00]: After the early Mechanicum defeated the Psychonavora, they created the first Mechanicum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of that Mechanicum included the first Titans.
[SPEAKER_00]: But like the nighthouses, they didn't create a monolith.
[SPEAKER_00]: Rather, the Titans were created like Pleasions, similar space marines, and the Guard Regiments.
[SPEAKER_00]: each with their own quirks and styles, and they start off with three, and it'll grow into more later, but I want to start with the three, because they're all meant to have kind of similar forces and yada yada.
[SPEAKER_00]: So with the arrival of the emperor, the trees of Mars, these orders will grow, they will join the imperial military, and they'll go out with the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then with the rise of
[SPEAKER_00]: But I just wanted to get to the beginning of it, to where I go.
[SPEAKER_00]: So in the beginning, we had three orders, Ignatum, Mortus, and Tempestus.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Ignatum known as a fire wasps, care-wide.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the protection order.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the stoic protectors known for loyalty.
[SPEAKER_00]: They, anyone under their charge, they would care for.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they were always shown in the more of a stoic cold face.
[SPEAKER_00]: They really didn't take offense to slights.
[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't get emotional, but it extended to sit back and just kind of be content to hold ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: But they could fight.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an important piece.
[SPEAKER_00]: They could fight, but they were the most loyal chopstick.
[SPEAKER_00]: Can imagine what's going to happen to them later.
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you had the mortice, knowing the death's heads.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I guess what's going to happen here.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were the aggressive ones.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're, they were actually the most closely aligned with the fabricator of Mars to a point where people were a little bit concerned about how close they were aligned, the fabricator of Mars.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is that of note that they actually at one point tried to even conquer the next one about the tempestus of them, because they were so aggressive, they were like, they've got nice land.
[SPEAKER_00]: I like that land, let's go take some of that.
[SPEAKER_00]: They spoiler alert, they don't stay loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Like stay loyal if I were to get it actually, I guess they maybe they just they do stay loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody stayed loyal.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I mean, well, next year you know, they're, they're not them do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I guess.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've just said like, they're not, they're not a, they're not a Levi.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never heard of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was way going on in the, in their horror legacy.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it ended and basically everybody with Mars was like, oh, yeah,
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was not chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 80.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm pretty sure the ignored and work were on terror fighting against chaos.
[SPEAKER_00]: So those ones, I think we can give a pass to the one line.
[SPEAKER_01]: What is that really?
[SPEAKER_01]: How about this?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not on Mars.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mars is not on Mars for all.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Mars was a mess.
[SPEAKER_01]: what is kelp or whatever they do, I get addicted to that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kelb or hull.
[SPEAKER_00]: So then we have tempestus and the tempestus were more of the defenders, the mortise attackers.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were more like the, whereas the, the notum were the defenders, they were the loyal defenders, the tempestus were more of like the, bad, they were the ultramarines, they were my kidding, they are the ultramarines.
[SPEAKER_00]: John likes the tempest of this what that's what they were they were only that offenders they were more like they were the Right went out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I built fortifications.
[SPEAKER_01]: They were the they're supposed to be the Roman legions is what they're supposed to be and moving out They were the conquering legions like the ultramarines Yeah, whatever No
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, with these three originals though, the Mechanicum is in a great spot.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got the most powerful weaponry based on how in all of humanity, yeah, well, not the galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I see.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but in humanity.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, galaxy.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, humanity's galaxy, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got the god engines and spoiler alert, guess what they did next?
[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't make friendship bracelets.
[SPEAKER_00]: They began an unofficial war with each other.
[SPEAKER_00]: the these three factions begin fighting each other behind the scenes constantly, by the way, because that's what the mechanicum does.
[SPEAKER_00]: The magic of the mechanicum is there's a non-stop battle amongst the Titan lesions that's going to
[SPEAKER_00]: start and continue into the Horace as it were.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to explode.
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's in a weird way, though, too, because there was really ordered in how they were able to fight though, because they all knew they needed supplies.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they were in a specific way.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I like this a lot because they got these massive God engines who were like, and it's like, well, why didn't they just conquer them?
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't because the mechanical one would have to come in every now and then and say, hey, cut it out.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because at the end of the day,
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't build the titans without the help of the mechanic and they had supplies, they needed people, and the mechanic had all the cloning.
[SPEAKER_00]: They needed servers, they needed all this stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they had this kind of cute shadow war that starts going on amongst the three of them, and then later on there becomes more of them.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they also begin to find themselves more in favor of certain legions than other legions.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just going to become an issue.
[SPEAKER_00]: So, with that double break, because next week we're going to pick up this story of the Titan legions with the arrival of the emperor, then join the imperial forces, the great crusade, heresy, et cetera, and we're going to jump into some of the
[SPEAKER_00]: More specifically, I'm going to spend on how Titan Legion's actually do battle because it is pretty interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: They do have a soft spot, namely without that principle, the Titan just falls over and has no value.
[SPEAKER_00]: So when they go to war, if you're pretty careful, did not have someone to just deploy, kill the squishy thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: We can talk about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of, because by the way, everyone knows that's how you killed them.
[SPEAKER_00]: But until then, John Barsotti brought just their disguise.
[SPEAKER_00]: See you guys then.
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.