WEBVTT 00:00.131 --> 00:03.633 [SPEAKER_01]: This podcast is a member of the Voices of Wrestling Podcasting Network. 00:03.953 --> 00:12.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Visit VoicesOfRecselling.com to hear the rest of our great podcast as well as show reviews, columns, opinions, and updates across the world of wrestling. 00:27.783 --> 00:28.785 [SPEAKER_03]: That's on your grave. 00:29.347 --> 00:30.369 [SPEAKER_03]: Don't you think we're at her? 00:32.009 --> 00:36.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Hello everybody and happy Saturday night's main event weekend. 00:36.051 --> 00:59.162 [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to talk about Saturday night's main event coming here in just a little bit as Rob Mcereon at Shake them ropes I am flying solo today on this abbreviated episode of Shake them ropes Jeff Hawkins has a health matter to attend to so if you would be so kind go visit crap game on Twitter go visit Jeff 01:00.142 --> 01:22.287 [SPEAKER_02]: tell them that you miss him and this episode was unbearable without him as we talk some WWE and AEW coming up some of the top stories that are next May events so yeah go wish Jeff Hawkins well wishes right now I'm sure he'll be back with me next week to host and keep me in line as we talk 01:23.207 --> 01:28.494 [SPEAKER_02]: The current happening is in poor wrestling, but I have some things from this Monday's raw that I wanted to get to. 01:28.714 --> 01:32.799 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, we have the preview for Saturday Night's Main Event last week when we were on this show. 01:33.360 --> 01:36.784 [SPEAKER_02]: We talked about how Saturday Night's Main Event may not have a Main Event. 01:36.864 --> 01:37.985 [SPEAKER_02]: How currently at the time? 01:38.546 --> 01:40.286 [SPEAKER_02]: Dan Housing was in the main event. 01:41.107 --> 01:48.328 [SPEAKER_02]: They have since added a couple of main event players to a tag team match, which honestly we should have seen coming, right? 01:48.369 --> 01:51.669 [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's kind of what Saturday night main event is. 01:51.909 --> 01:54.390 [SPEAKER_02]: It is the big names and tag team matches. 01:54.670 --> 02:00.011 [SPEAKER_02]: It is the intercontinental championship being defended in a four-way main event. 02:00.031 --> 02:01.472 [SPEAKER_02]: It's multi-man matches. 02:02.753 --> 02:13.307 [SPEAKER_02]: Rare do you get the one on one unless it's you know a big name like John Cena retiring per se so we're going to talk about Saturday's main event the new official main event and the currently four matches 02:14.143 --> 02:30.370 [SPEAKER_02]: booked for this show, which in themselves actually look like kind of fun matches, probably not he previewworthy this card, but for a two-hour show on peacock to fill some contractual obligations. 02:31.050 --> 02:32.771 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not that bad of a show. 02:33.211 --> 02:37.933 [SPEAKER_02]: I am curious to see if anyone out there is going to watch this show live. 02:38.693 --> 02:40.914 [SPEAKER_02]: Part of the appeal to Saturday Night's Made Event for me 02:44.195 --> 02:46.817 [SPEAKER_02]: in Madison Square Guard. 02:46.917 --> 02:48.118 [SPEAKER_02]: That's a little bit of the appeal. 02:48.418 --> 02:52.321 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not many arenas around the world, or at least in the United States. 02:52.361 --> 02:55.903 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not that many arenas where you're like, oh, I got to watch this show. 02:56.063 --> 02:58.104 [SPEAKER_02]: It's happening at so-and-so. 02:58.685 --> 03:00.706 [SPEAKER_02]: Madison Square Garden is one of those. 03:01.927 --> 03:09.269 [SPEAKER_02]: But sometimes for AEW, the United Center now that they run the United Center is kind of a big deal for them. 03:09.309 --> 03:14.110 [SPEAKER_02]: There are sometimes those venues where you're like, yeah, they're not going to put out a stinker in this venue, right? 03:14.250 --> 03:29.173 [SPEAKER_02]: Or just the allure, you know, New York, Nick involvement in a show at Madison Square Garden, might be of interest to some folks to maybe peek this show, whether live or on replay, I have to imagine that a lot of people are going to be watching this one. 03:29.893 --> 03:57.749 [SPEAKER_02]: on a replay later on at some point most likely myself too it's going to be taking place this weekend it's Saturday night hence the title Saturday night's made event it is going to be taking place from Madison Square Garden so a big deal they've already confirmed Jalen Brunson New York next champion is going to appear on the show probably it looks like taking back or getting the back 03:58.369 --> 04:00.930 [SPEAKER_02]: of Roman reigns on the show, which is another interesting part. 04:00.970 --> 04:09.274 [SPEAKER_02]: This is actually what I'll probably start with from raw this Monday is when they began the Roman reigns and Seth Rollins program. 04:09.694 --> 04:11.435 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of from nowhere right now, right? 04:11.455 --> 04:12.495 [SPEAKER_02]: Seth Rollins came out. 04:13.476 --> 04:15.957 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't have Obafemi in the main event. 04:16.657 --> 04:25.445 [SPEAKER_02]: of summer slam going up against Roman Reigns' championship because he's been paired off with Brock Lesnar for Summer Slam, which is a big match in itself. 04:25.805 --> 04:28.668 [SPEAKER_02]: That left the opening, Seth Rollins is being put in there. 04:29.328 --> 04:31.530 [SPEAKER_02]: He came out to challenge Roman Reigns and there. 04:32.271 --> 04:36.514 [SPEAKER_02]: They're doing the decades long history of the shield with a rather quick buildup. 04:36.574 --> 04:44.079 [SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of similar to CM Punk Cody Rhodes on SmackDown, a rather quick buildup even though they had their promo after WrestleMania. 04:44.439 --> 04:49.042 [SPEAKER_02]: Kind of a quick promo, kind of a quick buildup even though they're saying it's three years in the making. 04:49.082 --> 04:55.126 [SPEAKER_02]: Ever since these two guys from an AEW came over to WWE, they've been on a crash course eventually to get to each other. 04:55.606 --> 04:56.546 [SPEAKER_02]: which really isn't the case. 04:56.586 --> 04:58.067 [SPEAKER_02]: They have not been on a crash course. 04:58.407 --> 05:02.409 [SPEAKER_02]: They have not been destined, but here they are going up against summer slam. 05:03.309 --> 05:22.396 [SPEAKER_02]: But the crowd reaction Monday night to Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins is going to be pretty similar if not even more so one-sided towards Roman Reigns at Madison Square Garden, especially now with Jalen Bronson taking his spot with Roman Reigns potentially here on Saturday Night's main event. 05:23.336 --> 05:24.217 [SPEAKER_02]: This really is a show 05:25.823 --> 05:36.110 [SPEAKER_02]: That's going to show Roman Reigns as the clear, but baby face, the clear cut favorite, the clear cut people's favorite in this match. 05:36.951 --> 05:44.977 [SPEAKER_02]: That might set up and we got that a little bit on Monday on Ross, Seth Rollins kind of healing over Roman Reigns, the crowd healing on Seth Rollins. 05:46.153 --> 05:48.135 [SPEAKER_02]: Seth Rollins being set up as the bad guy. 05:48.475 --> 05:50.296 [SPEAKER_02]: They got him away from the vision. 05:50.336 --> 05:55.020 [SPEAKER_02]: They had to make him a good guy with the vision to kind of reset him up as a bad guy here. 05:55.380 --> 06:01.204 [SPEAKER_02]: But if he does not win the championship, are we going to keep seeing that twist and turn with Seth Rollins character? 06:01.925 --> 06:09.509 [SPEAKER_02]: where he's, you know, good, depending on the wrestlers going up against bad, depending on the wrestlers going up against, but never quite doing those turns. 06:09.569 --> 06:16.412 [SPEAKER_02]: He's not doing yield turns, he's not doing face turns, he's just kind of in the middle there and the crowd will tell you whether they 06:17.492 --> 06:20.934 [SPEAKER_02]: are a fan of him during that period of time or not. 06:20.974 --> 06:24.676 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm curious to see what your reaction is to Seth Rollins. 06:24.696 --> 06:26.437 [SPEAKER_02]: Hit us up at Shake Them Robes on Twitter. 06:26.838 --> 06:37.123 [SPEAKER_02]: You can find myself at Rob from Indiana if you want to take issue with anything that I've said, including, I want to get to a Twitter comment we got from our last episode. 06:37.664 --> 06:38.964 [SPEAKER_02]: We will get to that in a little bit. 06:39.565 --> 06:43.247 [SPEAKER_02]: But Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, a very interesting match coming up at Summerslam. 06:44.167 --> 06:50.630 [SPEAKER_02]: Roman Reigns making it appearance with Jalen Bronson is obviously going to get the crowd kind of behind Roman Reigns. 06:51.310 --> 06:55.192 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously he's not wrestling on Saturday night's main event, but still possibly taking a part here. 06:55.712 --> 06:57.733 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely a fanatic fest. 06:57.793 --> 07:02.794 [SPEAKER_02]: Fanatic fest going on this weekend as you are listening to this Saturday night's main event weekend. 07:03.275 --> 07:06.356 [SPEAKER_02]: Fanatic fest Roman Reigns Jalen Bronson taking part in there. 07:07.116 --> 07:11.218 [SPEAKER_02]: So very, very interesting stuff going on with how they're positioning Roman. 07:11.978 --> 07:38.740 [SPEAKER_02]: uh... how they're positioning the bloodline and how they're positioning uh... set the relans here because the bloodline everyone else what roman rains is being positioned clearly as the heel group clearly you know j-o-so is unstable you don't know where where he's going j-o-so uh... and uh... j-o-fot two being more on the heelish side even though i can also see them turning on the crowd wants to like j-o-so he's never going to be a main event player uh... j-kind of got there 07:39.280 --> 07:48.291 [SPEAKER_02]: even though his wrestling ability isn't 100% ready to be a main event player and if you're not ready by now, I mean, G's the Usos are if they're not 40, they're pretty close to 40. 07:48.331 --> 07:49.732 [SPEAKER_02]: How old is Jay Uso here? 07:49.773 --> 07:54.758 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a look at Jay Uso born in 1985, August of 1985. 07:54.839 --> 07:56.400 [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, he is over 40. 07:57.081 --> 07:58.203 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a fully-formed wrestler. 07:58.743 --> 08:01.264 [SPEAKER_02]: not like he's going to get better in the ring at some point. 08:01.304 --> 08:02.564 [SPEAKER_02]: He is a fully formed wrestler. 08:03.405 --> 08:08.606 [SPEAKER_02]: So doing these six man's doing these tag team matches might be the better place than him trying to be made of NJU. 08:08.646 --> 08:14.568 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, even though they keep going back to that, very interesting position for Roman Reigns and Scepter Owens. 08:14.988 --> 08:22.591 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, on the other side, we have CM Punk and Cody Rhodes battling at Summer Slam and kind of right now they're positioning 08:27.428 --> 08:32.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's only two slots for mean events at Summerslam. 08:32.875 --> 08:36.856 [SPEAKER_02]: And we're pretty sure over Femi Brock Lesnar and Helen Michelle is probably going to be one of those. 08:36.896 --> 08:39.856 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably going to be the last match on a night. 08:40.436 --> 08:41.317 [SPEAKER_02]: I know there's rumors out there. 08:41.337 --> 08:42.217 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be night one. 08:42.997 --> 08:45.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Most likely I would imagine that would have to be a night one matches. 08:45.718 --> 08:51.899 [SPEAKER_02]: You have Roman Reigns versus Seth or maybe you go CM Punk and Cody Rhodes is the main event of night two. 08:51.959 --> 08:54.019 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe we get some type of surprise there. 08:54.959 --> 08:57.880 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it's the long awaited Cody Rhodes heel turn. 08:58.718 --> 09:10.465 [SPEAKER_02]: possibly coming up at summer slam do they do something to really draw crowd into WWE during whether it's the one hour slot on ESPN or whether they just want to do a buzzword the angle. 09:12.419 --> 09:16.080 [SPEAKER_02]: similar to what they kind of did with Brock Lesnar's return against John Cena. 09:16.120 --> 09:21.902 [SPEAKER_02]: Similar to what they did with WrestleMania when Paul Haiman turned and joined Seth Rollins. 09:21.942 --> 09:30.045 [SPEAKER_02]: Man, that feels like it was just a few months ago, and we already have Paul Haiman and Seth Rollins have completely broken up almost a year ago themselves. 09:30.305 --> 09:35.627 [SPEAKER_02]: We have Paul Haiman breaking up with another faction, and in the division storyline with Paul Haiman. 09:36.267 --> 09:52.503 [SPEAKER_02]: seems to be over between the two of them, at least four right now, Paul Hayman, during a backstage segment on RAW, congratulated Maxine, congratulated Austin Theory, congratulated the vision on what they've accomplished and said, what the hell do you need me here for? 09:53.324 --> 10:07.792 [SPEAKER_02]: almost insinuating that Maxine can be their new full-time accompaniment, and Paul Hayman doesn't need to be there, even though the entire idea of this faction is it was Paul Hayman and Seth Rowland's vision for the future of WWE. 10:08.472 --> 10:15.156 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, apparently, apparently they no longer have that vision, but the vision still has that vision, so they're going to keep being a vision. 10:15.756 --> 10:16.617 [SPEAKER_02]: But without Paul Hayman, 10:21.138 --> 10:29.144 [SPEAKER_02]: Without Paul Hayman, I don't really quite see the concept of these three together, especially now with Logan Paul being out to not the tag team champion. 10:29.564 --> 10:32.687 [SPEAKER_02]: Why is Logan Paul going with a group at all anyway? 10:33.447 --> 10:39.452 [SPEAKER_02]: I would think that Logan Paul would want to be back in some type of singles picture doing his own thing, doing the maverick thing. 10:40.092 --> 10:42.133 [SPEAKER_02]: that he was doing before, all by himself. 10:42.633 --> 10:45.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Braun Breaker, settled with this tagging division. 10:45.775 --> 10:50.917 [SPEAKER_02]: I know there's rumors online about Braun Breaker being frustrated with his positioning in WWE. 10:51.838 --> 10:52.138 [SPEAKER_02]: Braun. 10:53.632 --> 11:12.873 [SPEAKER_02]: If those rumors are even true, because, honestly, Brown breakers had a hell of a start in his run on WWE, had bad luck with injuries, but he's had a hell of a start, also super young to the point where he's going to have a lot of time, very well in the future could be the Seth Rollins type who just keeps building up the top of the card because he's been around for so long. 11:13.293 --> 11:18.657 [SPEAKER_02]: to the point where he becomes almost legend status because he got to the top so early. 11:19.258 --> 11:31.108 [SPEAKER_02]: But what does Brian Breaker doing in the tag team when he was just right there at the tip of the world title picture and in theory could take on anyone at the top of the game. 11:31.128 --> 11:35.171 [SPEAKER_02]: He said some bad luck with seeing punk, bad luck with Seth Rollins could never quite get over that hump. 11:35.711 --> 11:40.515 [SPEAKER_02]: Right now he's gonna be in the tag team division, not everyone can be in the main event scene all at once. 11:43.407 --> 11:45.327 [SPEAKER_02]: almost a little like where we're at right now. 11:45.407 --> 11:50.989 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the fact that we're doing Cody Rhodes and CM Punk when CM Punk has so much unfinished business with Seth Rollins. 11:51.349 --> 11:59.610 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that we're going to Roman Reigns and Seth Rollins so quickly after Seth returned when Roman Reigns has so many issues with other people. 12:00.711 --> 12:07.272 [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that Gunther is left out, same his name can get his rematch from his short title reign because he's not quite in the top 12:07.812 --> 12:15.248 [SPEAKER_02]: The main event picture is already freefall, which is why we have these Somerslane main events coming up. 12:15.929 --> 12:18.755 [SPEAKER_02]: A little bit jumbled from where people thought they might have been. 12:20.172 --> 12:32.756 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's almost as if we're not really going to know WWE's true vision for lack of a better word, true story related ideas heading towards the end of the year until kind of after SummerSlam. 12:32.776 --> 12:42.259 [SPEAKER_02]: We're not really going to truly know where WWE is until we get past these matches at SummerSlam and we see the actual direction now that they have all their talent back. 12:42.639 --> 12:49.041 [SPEAKER_02]: Who knows, maybe possibly Roman Reigns or another piece of talent go on to the next, go on to their next thing. 12:49.502 --> 12:54.483 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they take a break after Summer Slam as we had to serve five or series in November. 12:55.284 --> 12:58.825 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think we're going to truly know where WWE is going forward. 12:59.485 --> 13:04.407 [SPEAKER_02]: Until after Summer Slam, and yeah, you could say that we never know where they're going after the next paper view. 13:04.427 --> 13:05.968 [SPEAKER_02]: They're just trying to get through this paper view. 13:06.748 --> 13:07.729 [SPEAKER_02]: Generally, there were months. 13:07.909 --> 13:10.792 [SPEAKER_02]: There were months where we knew, okay, brown-breaker Seth Rollins are involved. 13:10.852 --> 13:14.315 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, CM Punk is going up against Roman Reigns or somebody for the world title. 13:14.856 --> 13:17.358 [SPEAKER_02]: Cody Rhodes is in the world title picture and he's going to continue to be. 13:17.618 --> 13:22.483 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know if Cody Rhodes is going to be in the world title picture for Cerberus Lamb, especially if he loses to CM Punk here. 13:23.243 --> 13:25.644 [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know if he's going to be kind of in that next level down. 13:26.104 --> 13:29.005 [SPEAKER_02]: Number one can tend to ship matches every week at the scenario. 13:29.725 --> 13:31.705 [SPEAKER_02]: So we don't really know where they're going to go. 13:31.765 --> 13:33.566 [SPEAKER_02]: But we certainly don't know where Paul Hayman's going. 13:33.986 --> 13:37.047 [SPEAKER_02]: And what if this is Brock Lesnar's last match coming up at Summerslam? 13:37.067 --> 13:38.427 [SPEAKER_02]: This Paul Hayman done? 13:38.967 --> 13:42.108 [SPEAKER_02]: There's still the question of Bronson Reed as well. 13:42.148 --> 13:44.429 [SPEAKER_02]: Has anyone remembered Bronson Reed? 13:44.889 --> 13:47.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Like is this guy just going to keep coming back and be a part of the vision? 13:48.770 --> 13:53.733 [SPEAKER_02]: is going to side with Seth Rollins and Seth Rollins was the one who brought him into the vision in the first place. 13:54.834 --> 14:03.559 [SPEAKER_02]: Is Paul Hayman possibly looking for the next Paul Hayman guy after Brock Lesnar and maybe he goes off and breaks off on his own with Johnson Reed and we see a 14:06.406 --> 14:09.728 [SPEAKER_02]: maybe at the end of this year, sometime going into WrestleMania next year. 14:09.748 --> 14:11.250 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's still that question, too. 14:11.350 --> 14:13.411 [SPEAKER_02]: Like the vision has questions surrounding it. 14:14.032 --> 14:15.613 [SPEAKER_02]: What is happening with Bronson Reed? 14:15.953 --> 14:18.795 [SPEAKER_02]: What is truly happening with Paul Hayman? 14:18.835 --> 14:21.957 [SPEAKER_02]: So there's still those questions that we have to answer. 14:22.943 --> 14:24.044 [SPEAKER_02]: before we go too far. 14:24.906 --> 14:25.767 [SPEAKER_02]: Saturday, it's main event. 14:25.967 --> 14:29.471 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, we have Danhausen versus JD McDonough. 14:30.232 --> 14:32.655 [SPEAKER_02]: JD McDonough will be accompanied by Dominic Mysterio. 14:33.056 --> 14:41.606 [SPEAKER_02]: It's Danhausen headed to possibly being in some type of title picture in the future because of when against JD McDonough. 14:42.462 --> 14:49.325 [SPEAKER_02]: could lead to a match with Dominic Mysterio, could lead to some type of involvement with possibly the Intercontinental Championship. 14:49.765 --> 14:54.687 [SPEAKER_02]: Dan Hasn't's one of those floaters right now where he could be raw, he could be smack down it, does not matter. 14:55.408 --> 14:56.248 [SPEAKER_02]: He's in attraction. 14:56.728 --> 14:58.169 [SPEAKER_02]: He's got the ties to New York. 14:58.709 --> 15:05.032 [SPEAKER_02]: Fully based on him, unversing the NICS and the New York NICS winning the NBA basketball championship. 15:05.792 --> 15:07.673 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're gonna see the crowd reaction for Dan Hasn. 15:07.713 --> 15:09.474 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure it's going to be pretty epic. 15:12.335 --> 15:19.439 [SPEAKER_02]: uh, motivations in Danhausen's future coming up, uh, but this seems like the easiest match to predict in the history of matches to predict. 15:19.939 --> 15:29.425 [SPEAKER_02]: Danhausen getting the win over JD, Macdonald, getting some type of, uh, appearance, slash involvement from a New York Nick. 15:29.865 --> 15:32.749 [SPEAKER_02]: including Jalen Brunson who's going to be there that weekend. 15:32.829 --> 15:34.131 [SPEAKER_02]: So we're going to have some fun one. 15:34.151 --> 15:38.076 [SPEAKER_02]: This one's going to be your match that gets played on sports center and gets played on first take. 15:38.557 --> 15:44.284 [SPEAKER_02]: And some of the ESPN morning shows despite it not being an ESPN property this night. 15:44.304 --> 15:46.267 [SPEAKER_02]: They're they're going to be given. 15:47.495 --> 15:55.497 [SPEAKER_02]: they're going to be giving all of the times of this match on ESPN, despite the fact that it took place at Peacock. 15:55.577 --> 16:11.622 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not gonna get a ton of time before the match, but afterwards it's gonna get some presence on your ESPN shows, especially if Jail and Bronson does some type of involvement, which I can't see him doing because he is injured, he'll appear, but maybe there's some other nicks who could possibly involve them this one. 16:12.672 --> 16:18.918 [SPEAKER_02]: For the women's tag team titles, we have Paige and Brebella going up against fatal influence. 16:18.978 --> 16:22.441 [SPEAKER_02]: This seems like you're getting over match, get Paige and Brebella a win. 16:22.901 --> 16:30.829 [SPEAKER_02]: Although I don't foresee Brebella and Paige being long for these tag team championships, they've already had them longer than I expected. 16:31.369 --> 16:36.173 [SPEAKER_02]: I know Paige is back to being kind of a full-time wrestler, but how long is Brebella going to be here? 16:36.954 --> 16:55.241 [SPEAKER_02]: And if you just stick to the on-screen aspect, maybe it is time for a linear reading, fell in handling, maybe it is time for this new faction here in fatal influence, to kind of be put to the top there and have some type of baby-faced team chasing them, but then you got to put together a really strong baby-faced team on the women's side. 16:55.742 --> 17:02.264 [SPEAKER_02]: And outside of Charlotte and Alexa Bliss, I'm not really sure if we have a baby-faced team on the main roster currently. 17:04.605 --> 17:27.175 [SPEAKER_02]: some tough baby face women's teams to go after this championship, especially with the break-up of Bailey and Lyra, and that is the next match on the show, Bailey and Lyra, Valcuria, singles match, grudge match, we're getting some sad and some depressed Lyra, Bailey already has gone through some character transitions this year and last year, you know, 17:27.355 --> 17:29.176 [SPEAKER_02]: building a character dropping it immediately. 17:29.196 --> 17:32.858 [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll see where Bailey kind of goes, but Bailey and Lyra, another match on here. 17:33.518 --> 17:36.339 [SPEAKER_02]: I do expect it will probably get a fifth match. 17:36.879 --> 17:39.080 [SPEAKER_02]: This is being recorded right before SmackDown. 17:39.100 --> 17:41.421 [SPEAKER_02]: I imagine SmackDown will add some type of match. 17:42.662 --> 17:43.582 [SPEAKER_02]: We're always surprised. 17:43.602 --> 17:45.263 [SPEAKER_02]: We think okay, well it's going to be the U.S. title. 17:45.303 --> 17:47.704 [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be something they've been building up. 17:47.724 --> 17:51.826 [SPEAKER_02]: That's not announced for SummerSlam and then it just is completely off the wall of some other type of match. 17:51.846 --> 17:53.207 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to guess what it is. 17:53.667 --> 17:54.687 [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously we'll all know. 17:55.208 --> 17:55.768 [SPEAKER_02]: This weekend, 17:56.368 --> 17:57.569 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm ready to just go with the four. 17:58.349 --> 18:00.950 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they just go with the four for peacock and do two per hour. 18:01.650 --> 18:05.152 [SPEAKER_02]: See, I'm punk Cody Rhodes versus Gunther Sami Zane. 18:05.492 --> 18:07.053 [SPEAKER_02]: That team match is your main event. 18:07.073 --> 18:17.477 [SPEAKER_02]: See, I'm punk and Cody coming up opponents, so we're doing the old vinstrope of wrestling on the main event in the next paper view, but tag teaming tonight to see if 18:18.117 --> 18:19.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, can they coexist? 18:20.418 --> 18:23.200 [SPEAKER_02]: Versus Gunther Same Design, I do believe CM Punk and Cody Rhodes. 18:23.240 --> 18:25.841 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get the win here, send the fans home, happy on peacock. 18:26.801 --> 18:28.862 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if we'll quite get a post-match angle. 18:29.242 --> 18:30.943 [SPEAKER_02]: We're probably just getting a basic match. 18:30.963 --> 18:39.387 [SPEAKER_02]: We're seeing Punk probably pinned Same Design, maybe Cody Rhodes takes the pin from CM Punk, and that's the little bit of friction that you get. 18:40.047 --> 18:45.850 [SPEAKER_02]: But a nice little show, I'm sure the show will be fun enough, but probably something where if you skip 18:47.691 --> 18:50.552 [SPEAKER_02]: you're going to see whatever happened on RAW and SmackDown. 18:50.592 --> 18:51.833 [SPEAKER_02]: You're going to be caught up. 18:51.933 --> 18:53.353 [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing's going to be earthshattering. 18:53.373 --> 18:55.734 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't foresee anything earthshattering on the show. 18:56.134 --> 18:58.135 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not getting a return of the rock. 18:58.535 --> 19:00.195 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not getting a big time return. 19:00.215 --> 19:03.897 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to get big time storyline development outside of this. 19:04.357 --> 19:06.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you get a promo with Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns. 19:07.518 --> 19:10.019 [SPEAKER_02]: which would be interesting, which would be interesting. 19:10.059 --> 19:12.460 [SPEAKER_02]: So maybe maybe you get some fun stuff on the show. 19:12.500 --> 19:13.581 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a nice little watch. 19:14.041 --> 19:17.282 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe just watch the third place game of the World Cup. 19:17.983 --> 19:21.284 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you just watch them golf, some baseball that day. 19:21.344 --> 19:27.447 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you were out with wildfires going all over the place in the Midwest. 19:28.027 --> 19:29.208 [SPEAKER_02]: with the heat everywhere. 19:29.228 --> 19:36.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe you're just outside, maybe you're on the water, maybe you're golfing, maybe you're doing something during the day and you're just like, okay, I'm been hot all day. 19:36.433 --> 19:37.274 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to stay home. 19:37.894 --> 19:41.437 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to just refresh in some day and house and madness. 19:41.857 --> 19:45.960 [SPEAKER_02]: That's kind of what you're looking for here on Saturday nights, main event. 19:45.980 --> 19:47.861 [SPEAKER_02]: So that is coming up Saturday. 19:48.622 --> 19:50.023 [SPEAKER_02]: This weekend, Saturday, it's main event. 19:51.075 --> 19:54.596 [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to talk a little bit about a comment. 19:55.276 --> 19:57.917 [SPEAKER_02]: We received at-shape them ropes on Twitter. 19:58.537 --> 20:02.358 [SPEAKER_02]: You can DM us, you can yell at us publicly, whatever the case may be. 20:02.378 --> 20:09.519 [SPEAKER_02]: You can comment on YouTube videos, along not quite sure this episode will be on the YouTube video because usually that's Jeff's job. 20:10.279 --> 20:19.222 [SPEAKER_02]: And as we noted, Jeff is not participating this week on the show, but look forward to being back with him next week on-shape them ropes. 20:21.663 --> 20:30.314 [SPEAKER_02]: And comment, it's like, Rob and Jeff, why do you continue to watch or talk about AEW? 20:31.135 --> 20:33.358 [SPEAKER_02]: It's very clear you don't like it. 20:33.959 --> 20:37.063 [SPEAKER_02]: So just stick to being a WWE show. 20:38.268 --> 20:38.888 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, here's the thing. 20:39.668 --> 20:41.229 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for the comment, first of all. 20:41.569 --> 20:43.249 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for reaching out to us. 20:44.050 --> 20:46.810 [SPEAKER_02]: If anyone else has that same thought, let us know. 20:47.530 --> 20:51.732 [SPEAKER_02]: But it's not like I don't want to like EAW. 20:52.332 --> 20:53.012 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to. 20:53.432 --> 21:00.714 [SPEAKER_02]: I watched the show hoping that one day, it will be the show I had the most fun watching in 2019 and 2020 and 2021. 21:04.555 --> 21:16.761 [SPEAKER_02]: the show that was far away until the rise of Roman reigns as the OTC, until until we got kind of slower storyline development with some really big names the return of CM Punk and so forth. 21:17.722 --> 21:18.322 [SPEAKER_02]: A.W. 21:18.762 --> 21:19.603 [SPEAKER_02]: was the show. 21:20.515 --> 21:27.760 [SPEAKER_02]: Wednesday nights where my favorite show to watch it was the only wrestling show that I was making sure to follow along with. 21:28.420 --> 21:32.623 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't watching raw every single minute going back to trying and watch it. 21:32.643 --> 21:34.664 [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't watching SmackDown at all. 21:35.065 --> 21:40.528 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, the SmackDown thing, I pay attention a little bit more to SmackDown now, but it's not the 100% show, but raw. 21:40.888 --> 21:41.989 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to pay attention to raw. 21:42.009 --> 21:42.930 [SPEAKER_02]: You got to watch raw. 21:43.390 --> 21:45.031 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the A show in pro wrestling. 21:45.231 --> 21:46.652 [SPEAKER_02]: Again, if there was ever a break 21:48.233 --> 21:51.535 [SPEAKER_02]: But AEW Dynamite just hasn't had that storyline consistency. 21:52.476 --> 21:56.258 [SPEAKER_02]: It hasn't had the finishing of angles that seemingly are brought up. 21:56.678 --> 21:58.540 [SPEAKER_02]: And Granite, RAW has had that too. 21:58.600 --> 22:07.265 [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the biggest blights on RAW in the last three years, is that things get brought up, whether it's Adam Pierce on a phone call, whether it's people being involved in storylines. 22:07.565 --> 22:17.532 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised to be honest that we ever got the attacker revealed his Austin theory, because it seemed like it would just be an attacker that, you know, one day we'll release who the attacker was, but it's not important now and then we never get back to it. 22:19.415 --> 22:31.863 [SPEAKER_02]: AEW has been even worse, with storyline continuity, with storyline finishes, with too many names being involved in matches to this day, we know our clear-cut main event for all in. 22:33.159 --> 22:38.364 [SPEAKER_02]: All right, we know that Will Osprey is going for the championship against Kenny Omega. 22:39.125 --> 22:41.487 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's completely great that Kenny Omega won the title. 22:41.968 --> 22:42.849 [SPEAKER_02]: Completely fine. 22:43.309 --> 22:49.315 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not bashing MJF losing this title here because MJF will be champion again at some point and it will be completely fine. 22:50.003 --> 22:58.808 [SPEAKER_02]: And he's fun TV and maybe you don't need to have the world title on him because MJF is kind of one of those must see guys must watch guys in AEW right now. 22:59.748 --> 23:05.892 [SPEAKER_02]: But Kenny Omega and Wallosbury continue to be involved with a number of different people leading up to their match. 23:06.392 --> 23:08.272 [SPEAKER_02]: You're not able to sync your teeth into OK. 23:08.352 --> 23:19.335 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't wait for Will Offspray in Kenny Omega, because Will Offspray still involved with John Moxley, still involved with the Death Riders, still involved with MJF, who Kenny Omega is also involved with. 23:19.715 --> 23:22.936 [SPEAKER_02]: And at some point, we're probably going to get a tag team match before they break off. 23:23.416 --> 23:33.698 [SPEAKER_02]: Our last Saturday night's made event here, and we just have kind of the same storylines going on in the main shows, but different ways to get there, and the ways that AEW usually gets there, 23:37.099 --> 23:38.780 [SPEAKER_02]: There are things from good episodes lately. 23:39.400 --> 23:41.021 [SPEAKER_02]: There have been some good matches lately. 23:41.481 --> 23:53.805 [SPEAKER_02]: One of my other gripes with AEW is that sometimes their best matches are two guys who aren't involved in any storylines, not going to wrestle on the paper view and it's just a match for a matches sake. 23:55.371 --> 24:14.205 [SPEAKER_02]: Commander can be in all the great matches he wants to on dynamite and collision at the end of the day, none of that TV time matters in the least because unless you start putting commander on TV regularly, making the fans give a reason to actually care that he's even wrestling this match. 24:15.297 --> 24:16.357 [SPEAKER_02]: But match doesn't matter. 24:16.817 --> 24:21.559 [SPEAKER_02]: So you've wasted 20 minutes of TV time not building up to anything on the next round. 24:21.879 --> 24:27.340 [SPEAKER_02]: Not even entertainment because I can't, I can't sing my teeth into a commander match right now because I'm like, this doesn't matter. 24:28.520 --> 24:37.903 [SPEAKER_02]: So they can do all the great wrestling in the ring they want to, but if I'm thinking it doesn't matter who wins, it doesn't matter what this match is, this match could easily be two minutes. 24:38.988 --> 24:45.591 [SPEAKER_02]: It does not matter, and that's the biggest problem with AW right now is that too much stuff on the TV shows don't matter. 24:45.991 --> 24:49.252 [SPEAKER_02]: The entire collision show at a page recently returned. 24:49.732 --> 24:51.613 [SPEAKER_02]: Collision still didn't matter. 24:52.996 --> 24:54.176 [SPEAKER_02]: And now what are you going to do with that? 24:54.276 --> 25:02.179 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you doing with one of your top draws with one of your top baby faces, Adam Page, never being able to go for the world title? 25:02.979 --> 25:09.121 [SPEAKER_02]: So why would I be invested with Adam Page winning matches if you can never get back to Kenny Omega? 25:09.621 --> 25:14.523 [SPEAKER_02]: If I really want to see Adam Page and Kenny Omega, I know it can't happen because Kenny Omega is the champion. 25:16.063 --> 25:17.604 [SPEAKER_02]: So what am I supposed to be invested in? 25:18.433 --> 25:20.314 [SPEAKER_02]: Why am I supposed to be invested in that in page? 25:20.754 --> 25:23.155 [SPEAKER_02]: Because it's going to go up for the TNT title one day? 25:25.015 --> 25:25.956 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, that's not good enough. 25:26.496 --> 25:27.976 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be helpful to a Kevin Knight. 25:27.996 --> 25:29.857 [SPEAKER_02]: It might be helpful to another name on the roster. 25:30.097 --> 25:31.558 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not helpful to me, the viewer. 25:32.476 --> 25:36.457 [SPEAKER_02]: So why am I caring about anything atom-page does? 25:37.018 --> 25:49.742 [SPEAKER_02]: So again, it's not that I don't want to watch a W, that I don't want to like a W, because I do want to like a W. And I'm sorry if I want their show to be better and more interesting and more important. 25:50.222 --> 25:55.584 [SPEAKER_02]: So we talk about a W when we watch it, because one day it might get good again. 25:55.604 --> 25:58.985 [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, it's been projecting that way. 26:02.153 --> 26:05.175 [SPEAKER_02]: but still the bad outweighs to good in my mind. 26:05.816 --> 26:08.438 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm way, it's not like I'm one of those either that's waiting. 26:08.578 --> 26:13.061 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not gonna watch a W until Adam Cole comes back because guess what, Adam Cole's probably not ever coming back. 26:14.222 --> 26:16.544 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like I'm not gonna watch until Keith Lee comes back. 26:16.604 --> 26:18.225 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what, Keith Lee's never coming back. 26:18.646 --> 26:21.368 [SPEAKER_02]: There are a lot of names Brian Danielson, never wrestling again. 26:22.338 --> 26:22.959 [SPEAKER_02]: That's okay. 26:23.399 --> 26:29.884 [SPEAKER_02]: Some of the big names that got people interested in AEW the last three years, last four years, are never going to wrestle on the show again. 26:30.644 --> 26:32.045 [SPEAKER_02]: You can watch those new names. 26:32.146 --> 26:37.830 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have been completely fine if Kevin Knight was coming on and being a big name. 26:38.330 --> 26:44.175 [SPEAKER_02]: But the first thing he does once getting put in that single spot is just weirdness with the Dom Calis family. 26:45.256 --> 26:48.938 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I'm talking about is that they're not taking advantage of opportunities 26:51.492 --> 26:52.513 [SPEAKER_02]: So that is my current thoughts. 26:52.553 --> 26:55.815 [SPEAKER_02]: I wonder what Jeff Hawkins will say next week when we kind of bring up that comment. 26:56.396 --> 26:59.638 [SPEAKER_02]: Leave us a comment at Rob from Indiana at Shake their Meropes on Twitter. 27:00.019 --> 27:02.421 [SPEAKER_02]: Let us know what you think about the upcoming shows. 27:02.721 --> 27:05.163 [SPEAKER_02]: We got SummerSlam and Saturday Night's New Defense. 27:05.563 --> 27:10.707 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, we have a W Paper Views building up to all in happening in Wembley Stadium. 27:10.727 --> 27:11.828 [SPEAKER_02]: So let us know your comments. 27:12.328 --> 27:16.412 [SPEAKER_02]: We look forward to being back together with Jeff and I next week on Shake Them Rope. 27:16.432 --> 27:18.793 [SPEAKER_02]: So I hope you all have great weekend. 27:18.813 --> 27:20.695 [SPEAKER_02]: And enjoy your wrestling.