[SPEAKER_02]: Hello everyone, welcome to the Delta Flyers journey through the warm hall with Quark, Dax, and the good friends, Tom and Harry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Join us as we make our way through episodes of Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
[SPEAKER_01]: Your host for today are my fellow trek actors, Armin Schimmerman, Robert Duncan McNeil, Garrett Wong, and myself, Terry Farrell.
[SPEAKER_03]: Hello, well, hello.
[SPEAKER_01]: That may be think of Steinfeldt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't there a belly button thing where he went?
[SPEAKER_01]: Woo.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't trying to imitate that.
[SPEAKER_02]: I just gave it a flourish.
[SPEAKER_02]: And if it sounded like Steinfeldt, so be it, Dory.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, a flourish.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look at the whole gang is here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been a while for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for coming on, Armand.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, thank you for coming on, Dary.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's my week, so I'm glad you're here.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's my year because you're here.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's so cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: How's everybody doing?
[SPEAKER_03]: Good.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pretty good.
[SPEAKER_03]: Any highlights in life?
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I want to say, tear fair sounds and looks 100% better than she did last time we recorded.
[SPEAKER_02]: And she was dealing with the beginning parts of her stillness.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're better than you were.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so much better now, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that lingering stuff, but it's not bad.
[SPEAKER_03]: Look great, and that background with all those colors behind you look very, yes, stylish.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in my research, I'm sorry to say this in my research about cancer, it looks like a cancer cell.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to change my background now.
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes things that are are not depapables or sometimes very beautiful.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting you said that I remember Dan Curry talking about how they used microscopic images sometimes for visual effects for nebulas or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they'd kind of combine these microscopic amplified, you know, mix them together and distort them.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well Dan Curry certainly had his hands full with this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: he did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, has visual effects did a lot in this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is only part one of a of very exciting battle that happens, I guess, in the next episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I hope so.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I've ever seen as many ships in one space shot.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robbie, you have news for us.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Three days from now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Something's going to happen.
[SPEAKER_02]: What would that be?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, this little show I worked on, it's a spin-off of the Big Bang Theory, is going to premiere on HBO Max, it's called Stuart fails to save the universe on July 23rd.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jonathan Franks directed a couple of episodes in the middle.
[SPEAKER_03]: I directed the last two episodes of the season, the finale episodes.
[SPEAKER_03]: But it's a fun show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Great characters from the Big Bang Theory, Stewart, of course, and Denise and Crickie and Bert are stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: Those characters are the stars.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love that because they were more recurring in the private or lower depth.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were the lower deckers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now they've all been the star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Colum.
[SPEAKER_00]: Columini.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, check it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: Stewart fails to say the University of the 23rd Premier.
[SPEAKER_03]: Check it out.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'll all be watching.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have some birthdays starting with Robe.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: We do.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have to shout out to Anna Post on July 21st.
[SPEAKER_03]: Happy birthday, Anna.
[SPEAKER_01]: Anna Post.
[SPEAKER_01]: Happy happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's amazing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Anna Post.
[SPEAKER_00]: What she said.
[SPEAKER_02]: on a deer deer on a happy happy happy birthday to you on the East Coast.
[SPEAKER_01]: And next, we have Lauren Rivers, July 23rd, happy birthday, Lauren Rivers.
[SPEAKER_00]: Happy birthday, Lauren Rivers.
[SPEAKER_02]: Lauren, happy birthday.
[SPEAKER_02]: Happy birthday, Lauren.
[SPEAKER_02]: We also have to welcome a new prophet.
[SPEAKER_02]: We've a brand new prophet from our Patreon patron levels.
[SPEAKER_02]: David, way, Leo, happy, happy, happy,
[SPEAKER_00]: David, welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome.
[SPEAKER_00]: You've made all of us more profitable.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Smoking like a true fringy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome, David.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're glad you're here.
[SPEAKER_01]: poem, brave and the bold.
[SPEAKER_01]: On a razor's thin edge, we evade retreat.
[SPEAKER_01]: Fighting for our home looks impossible.
[SPEAKER_01]: brave and bold we must engage our fleet to reclaim home.
[SPEAKER_01]: We must be unstoppable.
[SPEAKER_01]: Excellent.
[SPEAKER_01]: My gosh.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was excellent.
[SPEAKER_03]: Unstoppable for.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we're that's very ambitious with impossible.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to give you my
[SPEAKER_03]: They were the bold.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here we go.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kira grew angrier each day while Dukhat kept plotting away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oto watched from afar, busy with his founder sidebar, what side was he on is quite hard to say.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Follow me, Jen's character always gives me the hippie, Well, especially in this episode, she's even more hippie, and I didn't know how to refer to what they were doing, so I just called it a sidebar.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought they were like that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Very creative.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because they were sitting on the bed, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, did they?
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, they do.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yes, because think about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, think about this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo doesn't have a bed in his quarters.
[SPEAKER_02]: He had that moved in there, specifically to show her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nucky.
[SPEAKER_02]: He said, huh?
[SPEAKER_01]: But you enjoy this.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, if she's a changeling and they did it, how would she not already know how he feels about it?
[SPEAKER_03]: No, that's true.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the hard part about this whole changeling thing, like linking, like, because you would know everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: They seem to indicate in past episodes that there's a way of blocking certain thoughts.
[SPEAKER_00]: So they wouldn't know everything, but I'm sure that sometimes your guard is down and thoughts do get through.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so here is my high coup for favor the bold.
[SPEAKER_02]: time for new tactics.
[SPEAKER_02]: Wrong to die.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zayal protests.
[SPEAKER_02]: Morn, the messenger.
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I had forgotten that Morn was the messenger.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Armand, we have etymology.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we have a lot of etymology.
[SPEAKER_02]: Your boy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_00]: This stuff.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here we go, we start from the beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Where does the phrase fortune favor the bold come from?
[SPEAKER_00]: Answer.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first recorded version of this adage comes from Terrence, a Roman playwright in 161 BC, in his play Formio.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Latin for this phrase is fortus fortuna uvat.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or fortune favors the brave.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not quite fortune favors the bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: The exact quotation of fortune favors the brave.
[SPEAKER_00]: The fortune favors the bold comes from Virgil an epic Roman poet.
[SPEAKER_00]: who wrote the anhyrid in 19 BC.
[SPEAKER_00]: The Latin is a audesty for tuna, uvat, or fortune, favors the bolt.
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where the phrase comes from, from the Romans, either from Terrence or from Virgil.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now to the enimology of the words, fortune, the word fortune is from the Latin as I've said already for tuna or interesting enough from I think it's from the German could be fair F-E-R-R-E which is translated from the German I believe to be bear and we know that I repair had something to do with this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: The definition is, what is fortune?
[SPEAKER_00]: Fortune is chance or luck, regarded as a cause of events or changes in men's affairs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was first used as fortune, the English word fortune in the year 1300.
[SPEAKER_00]: So favors is from the middle French favelor or from the Italian favelor.
[SPEAKER_00]: It means the definition is favor means to regard with goodwill.
[SPEAKER_00]: side with show cognizance to to protect or to protect.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also means a liking or a preference.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's first used in 1340.
[SPEAKER_00]: It also means an inclination to command sanction or adopt.
[SPEAKER_00]: Third word, bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: Bold comes from the old English and the two tonic languages.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now this one I like.
[SPEAKER_00]: In old English, it wasn't pronounced bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pronounced bald.
[SPEAKER_00]: As it is in the old high Germans pronounced the same way in old high German, whereas in middle high German, it is pronounced Balt, like Balt.
[SPEAKER_00]: The definition is of persons stouthearted, courageous, daring, fearless, terrorist character.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's often said with
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are my inamology references.
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, just a deep research on that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I did.
[SPEAKER_01]: I did you are, man.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all.
[SPEAKER_02]: So much so that some of my trivia has already been answered by we're living in the air and the air and the virtual written, you know, all that much trivia but perfect.
[SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have a Patreon submitted poetry winner that is a Limerick submitted by Chris Hanson and here we go.
[SPEAKER_02]: There once was a vorta named Wayoon who never could carry a tune.
[SPEAKER_02]: His sense of aesthetics was really quite pathetic, but he could hear everything in the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: With all due respect to my good friends, I think that won't win the award.
[SPEAKER_01]: I do too.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever you start a limerick with, there once was, you're already all in.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once was a bartending way you would.
[SPEAKER_00]: And before we go any further, I have to say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Combs in this episode is extraordinary.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's from the scale on this one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the acting in this episode all around is really good acting.
[SPEAKER_01]: He has that moment of,
[SPEAKER_01]: I do wish I could carry a tune, and it's just he's tickled, and then it's sort of like, well, that's kind of stupid.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just everything that went on in his face was so delicious.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very good description.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, we've also got a Patreon submitted poetry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Honorable mentioned poem.
[SPEAKER_03]: It is a high coup submitted by Tim McMichon's Cisco has a plan.
[SPEAKER_03]: The minefield coming down soon,
[SPEAKER_00]: Nice Tim.
[SPEAKER_00]: As my character said, not sentence, but planning.
[SPEAKER_00]: Planning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Planning.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: This episode was written by Iris Steven Bear and Hans Bymler and David Weedle.
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder why he didn't get credit.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he did.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: Directed by Vinnish Kolbe.
[SPEAKER_02]: the barren as the DS9 actors knew the barren, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have guest stars, Andrew J. Robinson, his garrick, Jeffrey Combs, as the unbelievable wayune.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mark Alimel, as Goldicott, McSquadenschick, as Fram, Eran Eisenberg, as Nog, J. G. Hetzla, as Mar-Talk, Melanie Smith, as Y'all, Casey Biggs, as Demar,
[SPEAKER_02]: Chase Masterson is leader, Barry Jenner, as Admiral Ross, Solomon Jenns, is the female changeling.
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to point out something that perhaps has been happening, and I just haven't paid attention, or didn't notice.
[SPEAKER_00]: For the first half of that cast list that you just announced, not only did it say guest-darring, so and so, but it also listed their character as Rome, as Nog,
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but just garrick to nog, garrick to nog was all that was listed on the screen as their characters, and the rest, just their name as actors and agents of actors know agents more than the actors themselves, when you get that little extra bump, that's an associated thing, or it could be out of the kindness of the writers and the producers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wonder if it's going to be permanent if they're going to start doing that because you have such a big cast, I was thinking that in this episode how great the acting is.
[SPEAKER_03]: how many wonderful actors and characters are in the show.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a lot to keep track of.
[SPEAKER_03]: So I wonder if they're going to start to do that with the credits.
[SPEAKER_00]: And aside from, let's say, Barry, who was a recurring character or Salam, he was also a recurring character.
[SPEAKER_00]: The others are incredibly recurring characters.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, now let's talk a little bit about trivia here.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so when this multi-episode arc was originally conceived, it was four episodes long, but once the writer started to develop the ideas and decide where a specific plot points needed to go, and how things needed to develop, I received and bear changed it to a five episode arc.
[SPEAKER_02]: For a considerable amount of time, it remained a five-episode narrative, even getting to the stage where titles were being assigned.
[SPEAKER_02]: At that point, favor the bold was the final episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: In encompass the final space battle, the rebellion on the space nine and the Federation's Reacquisition of the Station.
[SPEAKER_02]: After bear and co-writer Hans Bimler began to run into trouble trying to fit everything into 44 minutes, however, bear realized that one episode simply could not contain all that was needed to finish off such a large narrative arc, as such he and Bimler basically split the last episode into two, and began to fill it out thus creating a mini two-parter to conclude the overall six-parter.
[SPEAKER_00]: And if I may, I am just, I love the titles, but for six seasons, I've just enjoyed the titles and gone into deep researchers into the words of the titles.
[SPEAKER_00]: This title,
[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't fit this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: This title probably should be for the next one because the idea of fortuna favoring the bold.
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't really happen until the very last couple of seconds or minutes of this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is more some sort of title that said something about how our characters are going to change.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what this episode was about.
[SPEAKER_00]: The changes happening with these
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because status quo of the whole attack retreat was also happening on the station and everybody had to be brave and make a bold choice to move forward.
[SPEAKER_00]: too soon.
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't win yet.
[SPEAKER_00]: Every character, including yours, tearing, including mine, all of them went through changes and happened a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's probably why you couldn't make it a four episode arc because there was so much happening, not only as far as the plot, but as far as the characters themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: They were making changes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: A lot of times, I would look to the title when I'm coming up with like a lesson.
[SPEAKER_03]: This title did not inform for me the lesson at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was much more what you're describing, Armon and Terry, which is the changes these characters went through.
[SPEAKER_03]: But even more specifically, the choices they have to choose, which side are you on?
[SPEAKER_03]: Some version of like, pick a side would have been a better title for this episode in my opinion.
[SPEAKER_00]: Or in the case of Edward Sweet too early for this, but in the case in the Nass, lugging Casey tomorrow, that's a choice, that's something that's building up in her building up in her, and finally she makes the choice to act on it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, another bit of trivia here, this episode started out being, you know, originally based on the 1961 J. Lee Thompson film, The Guns of Navarone, a film about a mission behind enemy lines to destroy a German weapons depot.
[SPEAKER_02]: So originally the plot of this episode was to involve a covert mission to destroy a catcher cell white facility deep in Kardashian space.
[SPEAKER_02]: However, during the early stages of rewrites, that mission was relocated to the episode of Time to stand.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we always are going to say they just did that.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And favor the bold was reformulated.
[SPEAKER_02]: So this is interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: We'd dive right in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was very worried for you, Terry, it seemed like you guys were.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh my gosh, the water's eating and they're dead in the water and they're just going to get, they're going to get destroyed.
[SPEAKER_03]: Everything's going wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: The defiant is crippled, but we learn that it's acting as a decoy for these two dominionships that it's sort of.
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, baits into positions so that Warf can bring the bird to prey around and ambush and destroy the dominion ships.
[SPEAKER_03]: And even though they're successful, Barfleet orders them to retreat and head back to the station to reinforce the Federation's defensive stance in the war.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you win the trap worked, but you got to go back.
[SPEAKER_03]: Not happy about that.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think this scene is important because it shows that the only way that they can win is to use guerrilla tactics they can't do that on against the the Dominion because they're just going to lose just flat out lose so everything has to be this ambush fake them out one way or another and it's it's a very difficult way of fighting if that's all you can do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, correct me if I'm wrong.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was two ships against two ships.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looked like one.
[SPEAKER_03]: The defiant was sitting there pretending to be crippled.
[SPEAKER_03]: Except pretending.
[SPEAKER_00]: But in the end, Terry takes out one of the of the dominion ships.
[SPEAKER_00]: The defiant shoots and and destroys one of the and the vertebrae destroys one too.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's two against two.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I also thought, do the clean-ons have a cloaking device that they just show up out of nowhere?
[SPEAKER_01]: the Romulans gave us that technology.
[SPEAKER_00]: He came to the defiant.
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't remembering whether they shared it with anyone.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know the Romulans originally had it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Regarding the two verses, two things, Armand, I feel like when they were kind of listing in space, they didn't know what they were going to get.
[SPEAKER_02]: They were just trying to attract any any dominions.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been a dozen.
[SPEAKER_02]: It could have been one.
[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't know.
[SPEAKER_03]: We were just lake and plasma just holding on to things as Dax says just hold on to hold on when our Brian says Engage retreat engage retreat.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is that fraud?
[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like I don't know like a Broadway show too and there's something Well, he repeated this a few times during this whole beginning of the war and during it that might be it
[SPEAKER_03]: I literally thought it was a Broadway show, too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby, that's your homework.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're going to take that line and turn it into a Broadway song.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: In the musical, the Broadway musical of Star Trek, the musical, we're going to have a song called Engage Retreat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, what a Cisco's office.
[SPEAKER_03]: Dax is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: She is frustrated.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little ticked off.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, he's Mr.
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows what the plan is.
[SPEAKER_03]: He says, we need a new plan and I've got one.
[SPEAKER_03]: I want to retake the S9 basically and he's going to pitch it the next day to start fleet command.
[SPEAKER_02]: And what I love.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, go ahead, Garrett.
[SPEAKER_03]: I caught that.
[SPEAKER_02]: It is that it's the meeting is at OE 100 and everything on DS9 happens at OE 100.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: it's true.
[SPEAKER_02]: That should, is that of, yeah, this podcast should have been Star Trek.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 800.
[SPEAKER_02]: We should have called this.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that would have been good.
[SPEAKER_00]: In several episodes, Terry, that I've been on everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we know it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Really.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: Every every appointment, every meeting.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to meet at 0800.
[SPEAKER_02]: They just use that number over and over again, which I love.
[SPEAKER_01]: Work starts at 0800.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: When Cisco turns the
[SPEAKER_02]: with all the little you know icons and graphics of the different fleets that are becoming in.
[SPEAKER_02]: I love how they used Star Trek combatges.
[SPEAKER_01]: The communicator.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I almost laughed out loud.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh my god.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little silly.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was because typically it would be just the Federation, you know, that little round Federation seal.
[SPEAKER_02]: That that's the Federation.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that would be all the different things.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just looked a little like
[SPEAKER_00]: little kids decided to play with it or that someone was trying to be funny about it and say maybe it's anoku at a grand maybe denies and you know just decided to yeah yeah I don't want to combat just well I am just so you guys know I am following along in the original script and then
[SPEAKER_03]: a little more closely than we normally do, literally says in this script, Cisco taps a panel and a graphic of deep space nine surrounded by attacking Federation forces appears on the wall monitor.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they literally call out in this script, this this monitor that you love.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yes, surrounded by attacking Federation forces was interpreted into combat.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yeah, don't use a starship.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't use a representation of a star.
[SPEAKER_02]: Just use a combat.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe it looked too messy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that's busy.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mike and Denise loved to clean things like to give us very clean graphics easy to understand.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're so good at that.
[SPEAKER_02]: But if you notice, the combat is also had little trails as if this was like weather map.
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this incoming cold front is going to be they had like directional things on there, which was very funny too.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it took me out a little bit of the seriousness.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it looked like a kid's morning show version.
[SPEAKER_02]: But you did laugh when you saw it, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: You were like, oh, my God, that's kind of funny.
[SPEAKER_02]: I a little bit of a charcoal that I laugh.
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I was like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: She went.
[SPEAKER_02]: You were okay.
[SPEAKER_02]: So you did the dog, the dog, the dog held, head tilt.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my, I just thought it was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I did not like the, yes, okay, I got a little too corny.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm from Iowa.
[SPEAKER_01]: So if I think it's too corny, that's saying something.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We got opening credits and then we have a great space shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, uh, uh, uh, of the station, which I just want to say how much I love the station.
[SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about the ships.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're talking about star base three,
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it's inspired by that trouble with dribbles episode, the original series that shows that star base with the balls and everything is full be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, 3060's very mod.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the mess hall on star base 375.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Bashir is scanning garric and reveals that everything is normal.
[SPEAKER_02]: But garric is absolutely convinced that Starfleet has implanted a device in his brain to monitor his thoughts.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's now concerned about being interrogated.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's concerned.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like paranoid.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, they've implanted something in my brain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you understand where that was coming from?
[SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was sure either.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garic has not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Garic has been on star base 375 this whole time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he was debriefed from the prior mission on the star base.
[SPEAKER_02]: So he's assuming that during the debriefing, that they implanted this and I was a little confused.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was a weird thing to start with.
[SPEAKER_03]: And why is he scanning him doing a medical, you know, appointment in the mess all it just seemed odd to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a skin tag.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, all of a few of us had a skin tag.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's a good one, Army.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is there an infirmary on the space station?
[SPEAKER_03]: There's gotta be.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, their space station.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, we couldn't build it.
[SPEAKER_01]: So we did it all in the lunch room.
[SPEAKER_01]: It has laundry, it has food and you can get your flu shots there.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe Garyx paranoia is because that's the kind of thing he would have done.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's what he says.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're all sitting there because they're waiting on the results of that meeting happening now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, 800 right now.
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's probably 0810 is what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: And they want to know what's going to happen, whether or not Cisco's going to convince the brass the new plan of attack.
[SPEAKER_03]: Miles and Bashir are very excited.
[SPEAKER_03]: They want to basically retake the castle and plant their flag on the battlements and DAX reminds us of how much time they've been spending in the Hollisweets.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and which was a nice reference.
[SPEAKER_00]: Something we haven't seen for a while.
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a very nice reference.
[SPEAKER_02]: We jumped to Cisco's office, and the same wall screen is there with the same combat representations of the fleets.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he's trying to convince the admirals what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of dissension from the admirals, late female admiral.
[SPEAKER_03]: She was good, by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought she was a pretty good Vulcan.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the admirals don't like the plan, or they're skeptical.
[SPEAKER_03]: They're skeptical.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're worried about Earth, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and Cobain is the most skeptical because he thinks Earth is going to be left unguarded, or basically that's going to be overrun with Dominion.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, here's a little bit of trivia.
[SPEAKER_02]: Admiral Kobin's character is similar to James Kobin's character in the film Midway, where his character tells Chester W. Nimitz not to go through with his plan of attack because it would leave Hawaii open to attack.
[SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: But right away, it's like you think the dominion wants to live on earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: I know, exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: They don't even care about earth.
[SPEAKER_02]: Do they?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that he scared, though, because that's where he lives.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, that's just go convinces them.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco basically explains it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But not on camera, right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Not on camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we're going to learn later on that Cisco wants to live on bage or so he doesn't care about earth anymore.
[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to live on Bayes your, are you kidding me?
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he says all he did now.
[SPEAKER_03]: When we get there, you'll see, you'll see.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't wait.
[SPEAKER_03]: We could do learn at the end of this, whoever controls DS9 controls the wormhole and we're reminded of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't say we learned it.
[SPEAKER_01]: If we just learned it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mind it of that.
[SPEAKER_01]: You haven't been here first.
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got five season.
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see the pilot?
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to quarks next.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go back on DS9.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark is giving some advice to mourn.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's talking a long time.
[SPEAKER_03]: And mourn was not looking at you.
[SPEAKER_00]: during the same day.
[SPEAKER_00]: I've touched him like five minutes and he was not looking at you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you notice that or no, but it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Mark knew where the camera was.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I see.
[SPEAKER_03]: He was he was playing to the camera.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's nice.
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was very excited to have a moment.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Very sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't bring out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't look at you and I'll use this opportunity to say I'm going to give a big broad statement.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think this is Rick Colby's best work this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm glad you said it because I was like, I don't think it's Rick's best work and I love Rick and he does great work that this was not one he does and this scene you were talking to more and a lot about a lot of different things about his mother about the party about
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it doesn't want another drink, all kinds of things.
[SPEAKER_03]: And if they're not going to give him a line, which I get, they wanted the running joke of more never-speaks.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have directed if I were Rick.
[SPEAKER_03]: I would have said to Mark, hey, when he asks his question, look at him like you're about to speak, and then he keeps talking and says, oh, yes, maybe it's more specific to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
[SPEAKER_01]: At least look like you understand what Arman's saying.
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, too, when he does that, it's like,
[SPEAKER_03]: you kind of think like he's deaf or something like he does he's not hearing anything right yeah it was yes the lack of looking at you and the lack of reacting explicitly to the detail of things you were saying to me felt like a director's
[SPEAKER_02]: drop the ball as cork is giving this advice to mourn he does spot kira walking through the promenade he quickly hands the glass the empty glass to mourn and says here uh it's on me whatever he runs on the house yeah it's on the house mourn for does this it's empty oh i wish he would have reached for the bottle yeah just drink it from the bottle straight up no no maybe not
[SPEAKER_01]: grab the bottle from the park as he was leaving.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, court left it on his side of the bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: Rick Colby did have a style choice in this episode that I thought was interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whenever it was into the kind of the rebellion storyline, it was using longer lenses.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, Armin, when you looked and saw Kira at a distance, he used to tell a photo lens.
[SPEAKER_03]: He used a tight, long, long lens.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it was kind of telling that surveillance, sort of, you know, spy story in a nice way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think Rick did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That was a nice style choice that I think he did.
[SPEAKER_00]: There were a lot of really intimate close-ups that I noticed through this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially in that story.
[SPEAKER_03]: In your story with Kira, anything that had to do with Kira, J.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's secret.
[SPEAKER_03]: The secret stuff, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: cork does catch up with kira and they're in the promenade and all we hear is corks is major are you ready kira says now corks is right now kira's all right i don't think it'll do any good then we catch up with our gang our our pair when they're in the corridor they're walking towards odos quarters they're marching over there but they're stopped by a gym and are at a vjorn guard there's two guards at odos quarters
[SPEAKER_02]: and then basically they find out that Odo is not to be disturbed until his guest has left.
[SPEAKER_02]: Here we then ask how long his Odo's guest been there.
[SPEAKER_02]: We find out three days.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hello, that's a lot of Lincoln going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll say that much.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a that's crazy.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a very long long time.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's very hard to fathom.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: And cork is like, I'm not having any of this.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to, I mean, because force my way through, he stopped by the Gemma Dar, who's about to throw down on cork.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's basically Kuro says, okay, we're out of here.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're leaving.
[SPEAKER_03]: Did you like the Bajoran guard?
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't need there.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was too casual.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have been a much more nerve-wracking position to be in, especially with what's going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should have had more at stake.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had more to lose than that actor was playing it.
[SPEAKER_02]: more nervous and more on edge because he's next to a gem of dollar on top of that, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: But he's not going to think twice about shooting him.
[SPEAKER_02]: No, but instead he seemed like he was the security person in a library who just sort of like, okay, this is what's going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: The periodicals are over here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, that's the forbidden area.
[SPEAKER_02]: Don't go in there.
[SPEAKER_03]: He also had an accent that sounded like those old cowboys from like gun smoke or something.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're talking about there are two gods to the Dominion in there, so he knows that these are very important life or death.
[SPEAKER_00]: But look at the other side of the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, but look at the other side of the question.
[SPEAKER_00]: There is major Kira, a Bajoran, who's in charge of this station.
[SPEAKER_00]: Supposedly saying I need to get in.
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to get in.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's caught between The oppressors telling him he can't go in or yes, and and the and the major one of his own people telling he She wants to go in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you absolutely right there should have been more tension He's caught between a rock and hard.
[SPEAKER_01]: It should have been in his physicality.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we also learn in this scene that Rome is still in the holding cell
[SPEAKER_00]: as he should be.
[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, the story wouldn't work.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_03]: So that's sort of, you know, for the audience, they, as they're talking heading down there, we are reminded of that.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're not as bedroom.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're completely close.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're sitting on either side of the bed.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo in the female changeling have just linked and the founder brings up Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: Odo is one to talk about Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has to get to the ruling council meeting but the founder lets him know that that meeting was three days ago and he's completely oblivious to this.
[SPEAKER_02]: You can tell she's manipulating him.
[SPEAKER_02]: She's talking about how anything to do with the solids is of no concern to him.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's better than that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're meetings, they're going, they're going their business, they're whatever they're doing means nothing to a founder.
[SPEAKER_03]: The very first image of them back to back on the bed is like the most awkward post-sex decision you could be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's awkward.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's like here.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me show you here's the playbook of how it goes.
[SPEAKER_01]: Not love, not connection.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, do we all agree that Odo showed her what human Lloyd sex was?
[SPEAKER_02]: What is James said?
[SPEAKER_02]: What?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: Hence the bed which showed up out of nowhere.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, the very first line.
[SPEAKER_03]: She says, so this is how solids experience intimacy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's our big indication, but it's like a 19
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they both have their feet on the ground.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is 1940s.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 1994.
[SPEAKER_01]: They have super beds, but somehow they made a baby.
[SPEAKER_01]: They're fully clothed.
[SPEAKER_00]: Forgive me, but being clothed makes no difference because it's not, it's not clothes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just part of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of what they're, sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.
[SPEAKER_03]: I also felt like when the founder says, you know, that meeting was three days ago.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Odo's reaction three days.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's been three days.
[SPEAKER_03]: Have a lost track of that much time.
[SPEAKER_03]: To me, I was like, oh, it's like he's been on a bender like he's been on drinking and drugging or whatever.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's just been no there's no drinking no drugging.
[SPEAKER_01]: Just Lincoln a Lincoln But the Lincoln's pretty and then it's intense Lincoln.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but they they link again.
[SPEAKER_03]: He does more of it at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, I can't get enough of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like he kind of didn't want to though.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you mean how his face was like, oh, yeah, I got it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he really is afraid to say no to her on some level because he did say he wanted to leave and he felt bad about missing it to me.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's like a drug that he can't get enough of exactly what again at the time.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you're right.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that little even though it looked like he was moving away, that to me was his going through XSC like he's like, Oh, yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it again.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right, we've got the word room next.
[SPEAKER_03]: This is where Jeff Freacomes is looking at art.
[SPEAKER_03]: The camera's down.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's looking at art sideways.
[SPEAKER_03]: When I go to museums and things, I move around the art.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it is actually what he's doing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Makes sense if you try and study it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a little exaggerated, but yeah, he's down on the table looking at this.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Robbie, you have this script.
[SPEAKER_03]: What does the script say?
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me pull up that page I'm 99% sure these are all Jeff's choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I agree.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it says wayun is leaning against a table
[SPEAKER_03]: closely studying one of Zia's minimalist inkbrush paintings.
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems to puzzle him.
[SPEAKER_00]: But Jeff went further.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just took it just a wonderful step.
[SPEAKER_03]: It does say in this that after Kira comes in, he holds the painting up for Mitchie Desert.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby and Terry, do you remember when we first saw Zia's art?
[SPEAKER_02]: There was that question, I think, from one of our Patreon patrons, would you own this art?
[SPEAKER_02]: And both of you were like, no, you were like, we would not.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was the one,
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would, I'd like the simplicity of it.
[SPEAKER_02]: But when I saw this particular image, which is not what they showed prior, I would not own this piece of art.
[SPEAKER_02]: This one, this to me looked like graffiti.
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like spray painted graffiti.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very simplistic and there is no artistic.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it just, it didn't appeal to me at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I still doesn't, it still doesn't appeal to me.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not my style.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, none of you are a Kardashian.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true, or a bit you're in.
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe you're a Vorta.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: So weigh in's looking at the painting and then Kira comes in, ask way into release nog, but he says no.
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't possibly release this trader.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to be executed.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lovely piece of writing, I thought, releasing someone that's about to be executed, makes no sense at all.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lovely way of saying he's going to get executed, but takes the sting out of it, but makes it even more horrible because it's said in such a casual way.
[SPEAKER_03]: He also says in the scene that he knows that Ram thought of the mind, you know, that he wasn't just trying to destroy that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He invented it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he invented the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: So, yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: And doesn't he mention he wishes he could carry a tune or something?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we were talking about earlier.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: You were in his head.
[SPEAKER_01]: He was visualizing it.
[SPEAKER_01]: We could see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a wonderful performance.
[SPEAKER_01]: I almost called him right away, but it was late enough.
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, you know, a good idea.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to give Jeffrey in 11 at a 10.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's off the skis.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: He was so effing good part of my French.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... we go to holding sell next uh... quirk sorry rom is inside the holding sell quirk and leader outside uh... quirk does say the scene that the grand naga is offered to buy his freedom and quirk is thinking about how you can save from and rom tells quirk
[SPEAKER_03]: Not to rescue him, instead complete this mission to stop the dominion from disabling a minefield, even if it means they both could die.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark doesn't want to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, he does not.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to die.
[SPEAKER_03]: But he is moved by ROMs.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's one of the, it's one of the changes in characters, we have seen Rom be heroic in a small sense and here we really see it in a larger sense, he says I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the good of the mission.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's one of the many changes we see in the characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: Characters are making, as you said, Robbie, making choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: Changes is perhaps the wrong word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Choices is the right word.
[SPEAKER_00]: Making the choice, a bold choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which would side of my home.
[SPEAKER_03]: What am I going to do?
[SPEAKER_00]: Which makes his character, as other characters, will later in the episode grow.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, growth.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a nitpick makeup lighting in this episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess it's kind of a rocky question.
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, it feels like it wasn't the makeup's fault.
[SPEAKER_01]: It felt like it was a lighting.
[SPEAKER_03]: There was some with with Renee that I noticed and his inodos made it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I saw seams and things that I don't normally see.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's why I thought it was a lighting.
[SPEAKER_01]: And in this sequence, let me dank my chain.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, it looked like someone took one of those Maybelline brown crayons and drew in your nose.
[SPEAKER_01]: And then that's what's here.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what she does.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's the technique.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they were really dark this time and this line, your natural smile line there.
[SPEAKER_01]: It was in front of it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, and I was like, what the hell's going on?
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then I rebounded to look again.
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's where I think it's the lighting, because Karen wouldn't suddenly after doing your makeup for six years.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not after it is long, no, she wouldn't have made a mistake.
[SPEAKER_02]: No.
[SPEAKER_02]: Unless she was sick, if she wasn't there, and someone was a day checker, you know?
[SPEAKER_00]: There were lines on the nose, there were lines going into the cheat bunch, but not down here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, watch back.
[SPEAKER_01]: It, there is a line like a brown, it is possible.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's a danger possible possible, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, in fact, it could have been.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was very rare, but it's possible.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was the episode that we had a day checker.
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: The only other thing I wanted to mention this scene is lead a squeak.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my god, her whimper, yeah, I'm going to say whimper, whimper squeak, her whimper.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she hurt like that took me out of the show too.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I liked it.
[SPEAKER_01]: It just seemed along the same lines as the communicators flying through.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what are what episode are we out?
[SPEAKER_01]: What's the tone of the show?
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Are we doing comedy?
[SPEAKER_01]: And she was freaking cute, but the second one made it like, oh no.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is where, yeah, this is where the the barren should have said one is sufficient to as too much.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know what she was doing because she's told me.
[SPEAKER_00]: She was doing Laura from the Dick Van Dyck Show.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, well, funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: I totally make sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Rob.
[SPEAKER_01]: He should have directed her to take it not to the comedy level.
[SPEAKER_01]: But the, uh, he's going to die level, right?
[SPEAKER_01]: Not this isn't funny.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I found it cute.
[SPEAKER_03]: I actually enjoyed it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Once again, I'm going to ask you to go to the script.
[SPEAKER_00]: What does it say?
[SPEAKER_03]: I did.
[SPEAKER_03]: So here's what it says.
[SPEAKER_03]: Roms line is, uh, I don't think way in cares much for
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he takes a beat, I'm a dead man.
[SPEAKER_03]: than the action line says, lead a breaks down crying.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, well, that's not what she did.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's not what she did.
[SPEAKER_02]: But that was her choice of her interpretation of crying because she was trying to copy from the Dick Van Dyke show.
[SPEAKER_02]: I will say on the second squeak, it's still a very tight close up on her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She does have the watery eyes going on.
[SPEAKER_02]: So she leaves brought that to the table.
[SPEAKER_02]: I saw that much, but like Robbie, I'm not as pulled out as Armin and Terry is by that whimper.
[SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't pulled out, but it's not what they wrote.
[SPEAKER_01]: I would have liked it to be more serious.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're in war and he developed this weapon and he tried to destroy it and they want to kill him.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it should be taken very seriously.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the point of putting her character in that scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: The point was to see a wife mourning her husband's death before he's gone.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the point of having, uh, leader there.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that this is the her choice of choice was to do Laura from from the Dick Van Dykesho.
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think again, the director,
[SPEAKER_00]: The barren should have said less, less, or don't do it at all, or can we give, can we be a little deeper than that, you know, that the problem is,
[SPEAKER_00]: Directors don't, in my experience on on Star Trek, don't like giving series regulars.
[SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, a major current character direction.
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is so sad because it takes you out of the tone of this episode, which he did was cute.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would have worked great if it weren't this episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it makes sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: I like your version better.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's a better choice.
[SPEAKER_01]: What if what if he gets killed off the show?
[SPEAKER_01]: We should feel that way.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: From my point of view, what if he's killed off the show?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I mean, you played that beautifully.
[SPEAKER_03]: You grounded it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought you're a decision to be a hero, really, to save your brother.
[SPEAKER_03]: I could see that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as I've often said, the one of the good things about the Faranghi, where they were family-oriented, and as much as he's had a problem with his brother, he loves his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, he's going to do all he can to save his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to save his own skin, as well, but he's going to try his best to save his brother.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he comes up with a plan or two.
[SPEAKER_00]: At first, I was put off by the big ring about how many years lead is going to work at the double table for free.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then I realized, no, the writers are right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, it is the way a pharyngey might deal with this situation.
[SPEAKER_00]: It is part of their culture, not my culture, but their culture.
[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm wondering if you guys had rehearsal.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the rehearsals you would have at your house.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.
[SPEAKER_02]: If, yeah, because if Lita, if she came up with that reaction during your rehearsal, you may have said, wait a minute, there's needs to be a little bit more grounded.
[SPEAKER_02]: Calm up.
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you may have suggested to her at that rehearsal.
[SPEAKER_02]: Try really crying in this one, you know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember us rehearsing this scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was too short.
[SPEAKER_00]: Secondly, I wouldn't have been presumptuous to tell another actor what to not do.
[SPEAKER_00]: I might say, well, that's good to do more of that, but I would never say don't do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Armin, for your rehearsals, how did you give each other feedback?
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, what we did was work it and we would get our own feedback from watching the reactions and other people's faces.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know whenever it took the command post and said, don't do this, do this.
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's think about that.
[SPEAKER_00]: To give Max credit and he said it many times after we would rehearse for hours and hours, he would then say, okay guys, so how is the director going to f*** up?
[SPEAKER_00]: Should we do that?
[SPEAKER_01]: I just remember if we were going to talk about anything, it felt more like acting class in the way that you are talking about the scene, not one person taking control of the whole thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we talked about the scene, you're absolutely right, Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the scene.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what's happening here, you know, whether you're underlining themes, what's not being said.
[SPEAKER_00]: We would rehearse it over and over again so that we knew.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as you've all heard many times, we say this.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to do that because of the, by the 9th or 10th hour of being in the makeup, we were brain dead.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we had to know how to work these, these scenes on films.
[SPEAKER_00]: We had to know how to do it and sleep.
[SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, like the beginning I can tell by my makeup arm and looking back when I look completely pale I look very pale in this and I that's when they've put layer upon layer to cover right and it's just like a little too hate or ready for a Vogue shoot what that all is that about
[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, that looks like, oh, we were shooting this from 10 to 2 in the morning.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it looked like to me the opening sequence because I looked way too.
[SPEAKER_01]: This part was way too white.
[SPEAKER_03]: It always happened then.
[SPEAKER_03]: It late in the day.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, because I got my makeup put on when Armin had.
[SPEAKER_01]: I came in a half an hour after Armin.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to the Replement Next Ziaul as working on some of her art that, uh,
[SPEAKER_03]: Garrett may or may not buy.
[SPEAKER_03]: Terry and I will not.
[SPEAKER_01]: That purple thing.
[SPEAKER_01]: That looked pretty or though than other.
[SPEAKER_00]: A little more yes it did.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes it did.
[SPEAKER_03]: Here it goes over to talk to Zia all basically says maybe you can help me with rom.
[SPEAKER_03]: Short little scene there, but also in those long lens tight shots.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's secret, you know, a spy world.
[SPEAKER_01]: They look gorgeous.
[SPEAKER_03]: to ask due to how to spare wrongs life and says it would be an act of mercy, you could prove to the bit jorans in everybody that you've truly changed.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you regret what you did during the occupation.
[SPEAKER_03]: And she even asks, you know, have you told me the truth that you've changed?
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, the department refuses.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not going to help wrong.
[SPEAKER_03]: You can't do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he insists that enemies deserve no mercy whatsoever.
[SPEAKER_03]: They all get's very mad, says she could never be like him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Never be like you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, to cut in the scene, asks his own daughter, were you part of the rebellion in this, you know, and that really sets her off.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's, you know, it was like, are you kidding me, Dad?
[SPEAKER_02]: Or what do you want?
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that she stood up for herself in a much more grown-up way than we've seen her before.
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very clear headed, strong-minded young woman, and I'm for one.
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, yay, watching the scene that finally she found her voice.
[SPEAKER_00]: All these characters have major changes in this episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: When she's walking out, he tries to Mark and I'm going to try to grab her arm and she threw him off in a way that was so good.
[SPEAKER_02]: It was very similar to a prior episode where Anah is in the office with Mark and I'm on.
[SPEAKER_02]: He tries to grab her there and she does the same yank out a way and walks out of the door.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it happens later with her and with Kiran and Ogo.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of arm yanking away going.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, next scene where it's quarks.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're sitting on the spiral staircase kind of hiding out another spy moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quarks says he's hired some nossican mercenaries to come help rescue Rome.
[SPEAKER_00]: But five bars?
[SPEAKER_03]: Five bars buys you all that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Five bars with only five nossicans.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe they're a little desperate for the money right now.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, maybe.
[SPEAKER_01]: And five might seem like a lot to cork.
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a lot.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, buying a ship is buying Nosekins.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's buying Skate.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's buying a break-in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Five.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little more for cork.
[SPEAKER_00]: Seems a little cheap, actually.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it should have been way more than and should have pissed you off.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and it would pay off later on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, he's talking to Kira and she cannot.
[SPEAKER_03]: She does not trust Nossickens.
[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody can.
[SPEAKER_02]: Also, she says they're going to be too much of a distress.
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're going to walk into the station.
[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone's going to know the Nossickens are here.
[SPEAKER_02]: They're not very, you know, discreet.
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're not.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she sort of, you know, breaks his plan apart and so at the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's like, well, I think I can get my money back.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why I think it would have been played better if if it was a hundred bars or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: They go down into the main part of the bar.
[SPEAKER_03]: The more is there.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's talking some crap to Kira here, she is not intimidated by him at all.
[SPEAKER_03]: Doesn't she say something like, you don't like my attitude.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, she says, you don't like my attitude to Mar, you're welcome to try and change it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kira, she's a badass.
[SPEAKER_02]: She is.
[SPEAKER_03]: She really is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, anyway, um, and tomorrow is mean, by the way.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I just don't like him.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is he going to change?
[SPEAKER_03]: Is Demar going to change?
[SPEAKER_03]: That's me no more questions.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll tell you no loss.
[SPEAKER_01]: There you have it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's keep moving on.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's not.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a fan of Demar at this point.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to say.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, it should you be.
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm not.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark is is sweet talking him here and pretending to be his friend and giving him him prune juice.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: I looked at this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: You could see the residue in the glass.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, he does praise Quark though for siding with the Dominion on like Ron as a trader.
[SPEAKER_03]: He trusts Quark enough to reveal that they found a way to deactivate the minefield and they expect the mines to be all gone in about a week.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then Dominion reinforcements can flood into the Alpha Quadrant and
[SPEAKER_03]: game over.
[SPEAKER_00]: One week in the Alpha Quadrant is ours.
[SPEAKER_00]: Asia's the stakes raises the stakes.
[SPEAKER_00]: So the plan of Cisco's is better happened real quick.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Put the clock on it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is always helpful for storytelling.
[SPEAKER_03]: When you know there's there's a clock running.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to Cisco's office.
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, this is at the Space Station 375 Starfleet.
[SPEAKER_03]: What is it?
[SPEAKER_03]: The Starbase.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's Starbase 7575.
[SPEAKER_03]: I realized why else I love this in this cutaway outside.
[SPEAKER_03]: It reminded me of space 1999, which is one of my favorite move.
[SPEAKER_03]: TV shows back in the 70s.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love space 1999.
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, Cisco is very frustrated because retaking DS9 is going to be impossible without clean on support.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Gauron is not going to commit his fleet.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want to give up that many vessels.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cisco's talking to Mar-Talk and Warf, and they eventually agree to appeal to Gauron, and they assure Cisco that they will secure the ships that he needs.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just the only scene for Warf in the episode.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had a couple of view screen in the very beginning.
[SPEAKER_00]: He has a chat with you, Dex.
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're going to go all the way back to Kronos, to appeal to Gauron in person.
[SPEAKER_02]: So, and that's when, even Mark talks as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: What if he should come with me?
[SPEAKER_02]: And more like no, sorry, he doesn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't like me.
[SPEAKER_02]: But then, Mark talks makes an argument saying, well, that's even more of a way to convince him, because if,
[SPEAKER_02]: his friend and his enemy suggest the same plan.
[SPEAKER_02]: He'll go along with that clever.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Mar talk is very smart about being political in his choices about how he takes care of things just like how he handled Alexander in that episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's a level-headed thing on.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a big picture.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well because he plays chess well.
[SPEAKER_02]: Let's put it that way.
[SPEAKER_02]: No moves in advance.
[SPEAKER_01]: The also knows that if he takes
[SPEAKER_01]: or who's part of his house now and with his support, it might also change how we're on things about war.
[SPEAKER_01]: It might begin to mend that fence.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the first place I went to.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's an added plus.
[SPEAKER_01]: But he doesn't let war know that.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to quarks next.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's this long lens opening that's kind of panning around the bar, which I found slightly distracting, but then I remembered.
[SPEAKER_03]: that Rick Colby had directed on 24 around this time.
[SPEAKER_03]: Do you remember that?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: He had done a couple of episodes.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's copying the 24 camera move.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like he was doing 24 with all this long lens stuff.
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, I felt like it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Kira and Quirk realized that the dominion can dismantle the whole minefield within a week.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they've got to learn Starfleet, but they just don't have a way to communicate safely with them.
[SPEAKER_03]: and Jake pops his head in to one of these tight shots and he reveals that he's secretly arranged to send an encrypted message to his dad.
[SPEAKER_03]: and they ask how, how'd you figure this out?
[SPEAKER_03]: And he looks over at Morn.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's Morn wrapping a gift.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's going to send the message in the gift to his mother.
[SPEAKER_02]: In one of the gifts, I love the fact that the Nau walks over and puts her finger as the bow is being tied.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was super cool.
[SPEAKER_02]: That moment of realization where she
[SPEAKER_02]: sort of looks at Morgan and says, without saying anything, she's basically giving off the message, you can do this, right, and Morgan's like, I'm going to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's the finger and then his look and then cares, look and then back to him and he looks over to the other side and Quark is there and got a cut to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Quark gives him a look.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a missed opportunity.
[SPEAKER_01]: that Moran's reaction to both of them wasn't more grave.
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like everybody was the writers had written everybody to be silent acting, silent movie acting here, because nobody's spoken it was very.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, that would have been fine.
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that Moran's reaction didn't look like he knew what was actually happening.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if there's any place for him to get aligned, this would have been it right here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He had for him to say something about this or not say something.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you needed to say something, but he needed to have the director tell him what he should be thinking in his reaction to Kira and his reaction to Quark both.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll read you what the script says in the reading moment, please.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it says after Jake says, he has an encrypted message for my dad and one of her presence.
[SPEAKER_03]: It says angle on mourn still struggling with a ribbon suddenly a finger comes down on the ribbon allowing him to complete the knot.
[SPEAKER_03]: mourn looks up to see.
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... off kira and corp looking very serious indeed we cut to the star base so that's that's how it's scripted which is pretty much what we saw well except that it's not it's not kira and corp as you just said it's first kira and then more then as though he's getting double he's double whammyed by by both of us as opposed to one big whammy of the two of us together
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it would have been better a two shot and just tighten all that up.
[SPEAKER_03]: The finger he looks up a two shot and done.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Rick was as enamored of more than David Livingston was.
[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because it milked this moment for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to Cisco's office next and
[SPEAKER_03]: Looking out.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't catch that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's brilliant, actually.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the code was in the chorus.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's very clever.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't catch in the first time I watched when I went back and watched him was making notes the second time I caught the ribbon bit and I was like, oh
[SPEAKER_02]: very clever.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why that finger on the ribbon is so important because you need the tight shot so that later on you go, oh, that's the same ribbon.
[SPEAKER_03]: But Jake's message has been received by Starfleet, the reading the ribbon.
[SPEAKER_03]: It reveals the dominions going to dismantle the minefield in just three days now.
[SPEAKER_01]: They've got.
[SPEAKER_01]: We're down to three.
[SPEAKER_00]: And very smart, because if it had been five days, we're gonna, they got there that fast, really?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Go through the mom and everything.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm really happy that the writers cut it down to three and made the clock ticking fast.
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're faster than this.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Maras, then brings up the fact that the ninth fleet will not even be there until four days, let's take at least four days for them to get there, maybe longer.
[SPEAKER_02]: And then the same thing with the clingsons, they don't have time to get the clingsons involved as well.
[SPEAKER_02]: and whatever ships are available right now for the Federation.
[SPEAKER_02]: And Cisco says, we gotta go with it.
[SPEAKER_02]: We have to go with what we have.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a scene that the first time I noticed this sort of, it's a wonder that ends in a 50, 50 with Ross and Cisco sort of facing, you know, looking right at each other in a 50, 50.
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't like that shot.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was odd because he was out of focus, Ross was out of focus in the foreground and they were kind of forcing a wonder into this moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Andy going to 50-50 was fine to me, except that it gets repeated, that same 50-50 shot in this episode a few times.
[SPEAKER_00]: And why did Rick often keep the person in the foreground out of focus and focus on the person in the back and get them in focus as an actor if I've got the lines and I'm in the foreground I want to be in focus.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think they've focused through the focus to the back.
[SPEAKER_03]: at the beginning it was on the foreground then they threw the focus to the back to Cisco but while Barry was talking yes then they left it there and that's the problem they didn't jump back if you're gonna if you're gonna ride the focus then ride the dialogue back and forth yes for we're just keep that foreground actor in focus and let Cisco be out of focus in the background until he comes forward
[SPEAKER_00]: I got this feeling and that's all in my head.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a still rick set.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to keep the series regulars in focus and I'm going to sort of if I have to if I have to take someone out of focus, it's going to be one of the recurring characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed to me the series regulars were almost always in focus and always if you made a choice for someone to be out of focus, it was the recurring characters.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, is that just politics?
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that, is that just TV politics?
[SPEAKER_01]: Or do you think it could be subconscious?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_01]: Keeping our heroes in focus.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: I even just starting acting.
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember it's like, oh, this is the hero shot.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would, there'd be whoever the lead was would always have like,
[SPEAKER_01]: more close ups it would end on them.
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be a big deal about the beginning in the end of a scene on them and so maybe that's just, who knows, maybe it was a production note.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want our heroes and focus.
[SPEAKER_01]: We want to really get our
[SPEAKER_01]: Main cast Especially as we're getting close to the end of it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, but I don't like that either Well also because Rick was using a lot of long lenses in this episode long lenses can't hold a Deep focus so they could have changed the lens and that might have kept in both and focus on a wider lens
[SPEAKER_01]: Then why wouldn't you use the long lenses for on the station with our little espionage group that is trying to be covert and then you use a different land.
[SPEAKER_03]: You might have helped the focus issue then you wouldn't have had to choose as.
[SPEAKER_03]: as obviously as they did.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we're not in secret with our group on the defiant or at the star base, wouldn't that make sense to shift to a wider lens?
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that you're distinguishing the two story, they're actually two A story lines, but they're telling very different stories in how they're being able to communicate them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could use that as a director as a tool to help tell the story.
[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that part of what you did?
[SPEAKER_01]: What are we going to teach me so much?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we go to the word room next.
[SPEAKER_03]: And looking at the window, it's to cotton weigh in.
[SPEAKER_03]: We are looking at these light explosions.
[SPEAKER_03]: It looks like stars.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's really far away.
[SPEAKER_03]: Really far away.
[SPEAKER_03]: To kind of like do you see that?
[SPEAKER_03]: We use as nope.
[SPEAKER_03]: We have bad eyesight.
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, they did not put that in their genetic makeup good eyesight.
[SPEAKER_03]: To caught him forms way in that the dominion is going to be able to destroy the minefield and reopen the warm hole in three days, bringing Jim Hadar reinforcements into the alpha quadrant and way in says I never doubt it is when tomorrow arrives, he brings the news of some suspicious federation fleet movements near Starbase 375, my favorite Starbase.
[SPEAKER_03]: uh... wayune is very rude to tomorrow in this scene he's always rude to tomorrow yet but tomorrow so mean so he kind of deserves it's a mean anyway it's a little tense there uh... and uh... way and leaves and this is when do cod orders uh... tomorrow to set aside military concerns and just help him repair his relationship with zeal he wants her there uh... on the verge of this great victory
[SPEAKER_03]: And when the victory comes, he wants his daughter by his side.
[SPEAKER_03]: Period.
[SPEAKER_03]: Is that understood, Mr?
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to bring up that line.
[SPEAKER_02]: But Demot, when William leaves, Demar says, he should speak to you with greater respect.
[SPEAKER_02]: and Decaught says someday, I'll let you teach him that lesson.
[SPEAKER_02]: So now we know Decaught has it in his brain to double cross the Dominion at some point, take out, yeah, everyone.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's given us tantalizing teasers since the end of last season about how he really feels about Wayne and the Dominion.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's never thought for a second he was staying in this spot.
[SPEAKER_01]: as they're servant.
[SPEAKER_02]: This is just a temporary step that can help it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Master plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking you're right.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm also thinking I'm not so sure that Dukata is upset with the founders, but he is absolutely upset with way you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Dukata, you know, we've gotten no Dukata really well.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't like Mambi Pambi.
[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to recognize.
[SPEAKER_00]: And Jeff is just superb at talking out of both sides of his mouth.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: The King of Mambi Pambi.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Dukata's tech,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, toxic female.
[SPEAKER_03]: I love the last shot of the scene where DuCott sits at the table and the shot is on his back.
[SPEAKER_03]: And you see all the empty chairs.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's at the head of the table almost like to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was like he was imagining himself in charge of everything when he's got this victory.
[SPEAKER_03]: The table will be filled with all the people he can boss around or something.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just love that last shot, I thought.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, see, I love just a pretty visual.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, it was a symmetrical.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was a beautifully composed moment.
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just coverage.
[SPEAKER_03]: I get bored and coverage sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, whereas if you've got a frame that's telling a story, to me, it told a bit of a story.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's, and it was a pretty, that's why.
[SPEAKER_00]: For me, all I'm thinking is the actors have no more lines, and they have to do something, and they just have to go off into the ether somewhere.
[SPEAKER_00]: In this case, at least he turned his back,
[SPEAKER_00]: usually you just sit there and you go, yeah, that I don't mind goes and that kind of garbage.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like it's just, yeah, just staying out into the distance.
[SPEAKER_00]: Thinking about when are they going to call, when are they going to call cut?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that I agree with you on for sure.
[SPEAKER_03]: But this went to me was a moment of visual storytelling.
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it better than ending on the 50, 50s.
[SPEAKER_03]: Me too.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the cargo bay right now and it's y'all confiding with Kira that she had thought her father had changed.
[SPEAKER_02]: He wanted to be a man of peace and now Zia was questioning everything that has that her father has even said to her.
[SPEAKER_02]: She feels that everything has been a lie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Kira says, well, not everything.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really does care about you and Zia says, no, I don't even
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to go back to my dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just going to stay right here.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as they're talking, tomorrow comes on over and says that he needs to speak to Zials.
[SPEAKER_02]: Y'all doesn't want to have anything to do with tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_02]: Demar says, look, your father really needs to speak with you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Zial still steadfast.
[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't want to talk to her dad.
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Kira tries it, but in tomorrow tells Major Kira very rudely stay out of this and then he kind of takes the soft side with Ziaal saying your father is such a great man a man of destiny.
[SPEAKER_02]: He has a lot of burdens.
[SPEAKER_02]: He really needs to have his daughter next to him, his Kardashian daughter, standing beside him.
[SPEAKER_02]: And as Y'all basically says, well, I'm not a true daughter of Cadet Cardassia, and that's when tomorrow turns mean, super mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: He says, what's obvious to me is that your father should have left you to rot in that brain prison camp.
[SPEAKER_02]: But he didn't, he's so very, very mean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then he gets physical.
[SPEAKER_02]: He grabs her very by the arm and starts just pulling her to war away.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when Kira's basically
[SPEAKER_02]: just can't take any more and she the beat down happens and my goodness she knocks us on the ground is far away it's so happy to see Mars getting what he asked for it's just a search yes it's such a beat down zials like did you kill him
[SPEAKER_01]: She thinks he's dead.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not moving.
[SPEAKER_01]: He thought about it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I thought about it.
[SPEAKER_02]: She could have used the death, you know, the killing move.
[SPEAKER_02]: But she didn't.
[SPEAKER_02]: She pulled back a little bit just to knock him in.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it's choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: She knows what she's doing.
[SPEAKER_00]: She knows that beating up tomorrow is not going to make friends with Ducat.
[SPEAKER_00]: And she knows there's going to be consequences.
[SPEAKER_00]: And yet this is where the war has taken her.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's frustrated.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's better lower lip to many times and now finally, this is the thing that pushes her over the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Odo's been in that room for three days with that other woman.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and also, and also, she can attack him.
[SPEAKER_01]: She can't attack, um, exactly.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's an easy fall guy because she's with Ziaal and she protects her and Goldicott respects and loves Kira for that.
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no way, as we see later, that Goldicott's going to believe
[SPEAKER_01]: that tomorrow is the hero here.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the victim.
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the hero.
[SPEAKER_01]: He messed up or hero wouldn't have just totally unleashed on him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby, you bring up an interesting point.
[SPEAKER_02]: I do believe that now, I mean, I see it now.
[SPEAKER_02]: Some of, some of Kira's fury comes from the fact that she's so pissed at Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: She sort of, almost put that into her beat down of Demar and extra beat down because of her anxiety and her...
[SPEAKER_00]: Some shirts informing her mood.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the whole war is informing her.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I think you're right about Odo.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we could include ramen that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, especially Rom.
[SPEAKER_00]: She put Rom in trouble.
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the one Rom has arrested because of a plan that she came up with.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: She is responsible.
[SPEAKER_00]: The entire war.
[SPEAKER_00]: Everything she's done when she woke up and looked in the mirror.
[SPEAKER_00]: God knows how many episodes ago all of that is is just.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's cute.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's out in this beating up a tomorrow.
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay now.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's a good beat down and by the way, I think that the actors did most of that fight themselves.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, you didn't see doubles?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think when Domar fell and hit the ground hard, that was probably a double, because it was on his back and wide.
[SPEAKER_03]: But all the tight stuff, I thought Casey Biggs did a great job of taking the hits and doing the acting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he sold it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Jill, you're training.
[SPEAKER_03]: Jill, you're over there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, fight training.
[SPEAKER_02]: Good job, Casey Biggs.
[SPEAKER_03]: We go to a space shot of the space station that I love.
[SPEAKER_03]: 375, then we go inside.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cisco's reading a pad.
[SPEAKER_03]: We learn that it's Bejorn texts.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's trying to find some wisdom, some inspirations, some hope in this Bejorn texts.
[SPEAKER_00]: Advice, I think, wouldn't hope.
[SPEAKER_00]: Advice.
[SPEAKER_02]: An edge, any type of edge, you can get.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they start talking, he talks with Ross, who's come in, ask him about what he's reading, talks about those texts, then he starts talking about Bager, how beautiful it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: And we learned that Cisco thinks Bager is going to be his home and this is all over.
[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want to go back to Earth.
[SPEAKER_03]: He wants to go on Bager.
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't think it, he's going to build a house there.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's going to still go on missions, but when he gets home, he's going to be in Bager.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Ross even says what if your station somewhere else he said that's fine because when I go home, it'll be to beige or it doesn't matter where I'm station.
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm still going to go home to beige or this whole scene was added at the last minute.
[SPEAKER_02]: A little bit of trivia when the episode was running short run run a demore stated Cisco's desire to build a home on beige or was something we'd been talking about within the writing staff for quite some time.
[SPEAKER_02]: So they were able to add the scene because they needed a little bit more filler.
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm going to ask Terry a question.
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't ask the two of you, but I can ask Terry.
[SPEAKER_00]: Terrain knowing what happens at the end of the show.
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you do know.
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you weren't there, but you do know.
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they knew here at the beginning of season six what they eventually will do at the end of season seven?
[SPEAKER_00]: What I'm talking about is just go.
[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, I don't know what happens in season seven.
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, all right, all right.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard stuff but I didn't see it myself and I stopped people.
[SPEAKER_01]: But I would also say at this point, I had already said, with all due respect, I'm going to pass.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they knew that this was the end of the last season for you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Rick did, but he didn't tell Ira.
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of things obviously that changed.
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, at the last minute for the writers.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Because Rick didn't let Ira know what was going on.
[SPEAKER_03]: I know that from Ira because maybe he thought you were going to change your mind or something.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for the viewers who are listening and watching.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm wondering if they already knew where they were going.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's why they put this beige or stuff in.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to live on beige.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to do that.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they would have to know some of those.
[SPEAKER_01]: story arcs.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a full year away.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like making Julian suddenly like, what does he know?
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's like bioengineered.
[SPEAKER_01]: Like bioengineers, but we never got tidbits of this information along the way.
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, what?
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: To your point, Garrett, you said this was added because the episode was short.
[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm looking at the script.
[SPEAKER_03]: So you guys know that when they add a scene, they'll give it a letter because it wasn't in the original scene number.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this scene is numbered 50.50 Apple.
[SPEAKER_03]: and it did add pages so yeah they added this it used to go scene 50 and then it would go right to scene 51 but instead it goes 50 50 Apple for the scene or A the letter A.
[SPEAKER_03]: President added scenes so yeah and added some page count to the script.
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, we are in the Defiant Core Door.
[SPEAKER_02]: Nog is now in a regular Starfleet uniform, not a cadet uniform, engineering gold.
[SPEAKER_02]: He bumps into the chief and tells him that he's been promoted to Ensign, and then I wrote in parentheses from cadet.
[SPEAKER_02]: He skips Cruman level entirely and goes right to Ensign.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which is the most junior officer, and I took offense to that.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I bet you did, but he's been in war for a while now and in fact, he now act out ranks O'Brien.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's right, because O'Brien's is chief.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's not, he's not an officer.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not an Anson is a junior officer.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Brian.
[SPEAKER_00]: It should be calling him sir.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm on that too.
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, he's he's been promoted.
[SPEAKER_02]: He thanks a Brian for all of his help.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's learned a lot from a Brian about engineering and soldiering.
[SPEAKER_02]: A Brian says Nug still has a lot to learn and congratulate him on his promotion.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I'm going to make a comment here.
[SPEAKER_00]: When I watched this episode the second time, I was of a mindset which I still have.
[SPEAKER_00]: that the way column played that scene, as though yes, I've got stuff to do, he's dealing with noggies listening, but he's got stuff to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's on his way and eventually actually just deals with it in a nice way.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's never putting nogg down.
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, he's not upset with noggies.
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's got stuff to do, and the very end he acknowledges the promotion and says something nice.
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually wish that sort of energy had been all through the episode, that people were on their way to doing things, and that these conversations that was just was the interstitial stuff between the actions.
[SPEAKER_00]: that the conversation was just said on the fly as they were on their way to be doing things.
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, I thought, column got it exactly right.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was scripted that they were moving just FYI.
[SPEAKER_03]: They put it in the script that they're moving down the corridor.
[SPEAKER_03]: So often as you know, they didn't write it.
[SPEAKER_03]: the directors and the actors wouldn't do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I'm saying is, is Columns approach?
[SPEAKER_01]: Columns choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, of course, of course, I'm, but I'm, I'm in a hurry, excuse me.
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm dealing with you, yes, yes, yes, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And then finally deals with it at the very end.
[SPEAKER_00]: That sort of approach, I wish,
[SPEAKER_00]: either the writers or the barren would have done more of.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, that makes sense.
[SPEAKER_00]: You wanted that tone.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because there's an undercurrent of activity going on, and you have to still do the other.
[SPEAKER_01]: But your mind is on.
[SPEAKER_01]: what you have to do next task.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: It were war.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie has said several times now is the clock is ticking.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you, Carmen.
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched it three times and I can not tell you how frustrating it was to go, what is it that I don't really like about this episode?
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you take everything apart, there's a lot of good stuff, but there's just something about it that feels like too much.
[SPEAKER_01]: stuff in a bag.
[SPEAKER_01]: And if it had that direction of urgency, more often, it would have helped propel me through the story feeling like, oh, and not just telling me it's urgent, but feeling it when I'm watching it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't put my finger on that in my notes or consciously, I guess, but you're what you're saying makes total sense.
[SPEAKER_03]: It felt a little bit unsatisfying in the end.
[SPEAKER_03]: because it lacked urgency throughout the ticking clock didn't seem to be that important anybody certainly wasn't allowed ticking clock no
[SPEAKER_03]: And then in the end, we're not really, it's not paid off with an emotional or a, or a plot level, like pay off.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's no big payoff.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, interesting.
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for saying that, Armin.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's also partially because they, their idea of one episode got split into two.
[SPEAKER_02]: So there's a little bit of, you know, dilute diluted dilution.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what am I trying to say is it's a little diluted diluted.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, diluted.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco arrives and DAX relinquishes the captain's chair to him.
[SPEAKER_02]: Cisco orders and synog to alert all ships that it's time to move out.
[SPEAKER_03]: So when Nog says captain on the bridge, they know that Cisco is is going to take over command of this, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, necessarily.
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he made a thing of this now that whenever whoever's in the captain seated, you call captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: You call, yeah, I mean, he's still a captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: Cisco is still a captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm still not a captain.
[SPEAKER_00]: you are a captain until until you are relieved.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the instance job to announce that there's brass on the bridge.
[SPEAKER_02]: We're in the captain's office and the cotton knows from intelligence reports that the Federation fleet is headed to DS9.
[SPEAKER_02]: way you and comments that someone must have gotten the message out.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cuts as he must divert a significant number of ships from the front line to meet the Federation forces.
[SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow then arrives on the scene and he's completely battered and beaten.
[SPEAKER_00]: Could make up job, by the way.
[SPEAKER_00]: That was good.
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the best make up in the show.
[SPEAKER_02]: Honestly, he looked like a skeleton, which is the way they did that from the side.
[SPEAKER_02]: He looked very, yeah, not good shape.
[SPEAKER_02]: to cut poles on the side to find out what happened was the y'all.
[SPEAKER_02]: Demars says that he wants permission to arrest Major Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: The cut believes that Demar must have done something to the y'all to instigate the attack by Kira.
[SPEAKER_02]: Basically, Demar says he did nothing to her and Wei Yun basically says, excuse me, family squabbles can wait until after this war.
[SPEAKER_02]: And he says, we guys, good ears, which is hilarious.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's way in the bathroom.
[SPEAKER_03]: We're facing away from them.
[SPEAKER_03]: And he hears the whole conversation.
[SPEAKER_01]: Although when you know the word room, because we've been there, right, Arman?
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that big.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's big.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just the way that shot looked in a way that he was far.
[SPEAKER_01]: I've physically been in there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: And nothing else is going on.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like there's music or something going on to the background or other people talking.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't have to be a Vorta to hear people talking in the other side of the room.
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't.
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a lovely line.
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is kind of funnier because, look at two numg skulls, I'm still standing in the room.
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, with these years.
[SPEAKER_03]: Wayne leaves, tomorrow says the Federation's moving against us, Dukat says, yes, that's right.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now I want to know exactly what happened between you and Zell.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it's the second scene where Dukat is finishing, not about the war, but it's all about his daughter.
[SPEAKER_03]: The other scene he wanted his daughter to be by his side.
[SPEAKER_03]: Now he wants to know what happened.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he's obsessed to cut his obsessed.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's very much so we are now on the promenade of the upper level, Odo and the female changeling are basically standing in Jake and Nog's old spot.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the classic spot.
[SPEAKER_02]: The classic spot and the female founder basically talks about the inferiority of solids because they are limited to one form and one form only.
[SPEAKER_02]: They need guidance, not freedom.
[SPEAKER_02]: She tells Odo that the solids are no longer his concern.
[SPEAKER_02]: and that everything will turn out just fine.
[SPEAKER_02]: He will soon be re-linked with the great link and wayuna arrives with news about the war.
[SPEAKER_02]: I think the female founder, if it says, go back to your room, I'll be there soon for more linking.
[SPEAKER_02]: And wayuna is wayuna.
[SPEAKER_02]: So wicked.
[SPEAKER_02]: He's so achy.
[SPEAKER_02]: We use a couple of men's the founder on how well she has handled and neutralized Odo.
[SPEAKER_02]: She disagrees with Weyun and she tells them that returning Odo to the great link is the ultimate goal.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's even more important than conquering the Alpha Quadrant.
[SPEAKER_02]: Which I thought, like, wow, this is how huge.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: That is huge.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: And Odo is very important, then.
[SPEAKER_03]: When he first approached, he wouldn't look up at either one of them because they're both chainsawed and found gods.
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then once he started getting in trouble, he was looking them in the eye to hear what they had, you know, what, you know, what, you know,
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, what the female has just he has to see what their facial expressions are.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, well, he apologizes he's I meant I meant no disrespect and female founders of course you didn't you are what you are A loyal subject that the minion come walk with me tell me what you have to say about the war and wasn't that
[SPEAKER_01]: It was really well of course you did it talking down at him like he's a child Because you're a moron you can't help not understanding you're even lesser than the human than the humans Yeah, and we created you Vorta.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, I think, the first time that we've seen the female changeling show these kinds of colors.
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, she's very gracious.
[SPEAKER_00]: She can be, you know, we can feel the steel beneath.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this time, we see, we see the things show.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, choices and changes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_03]: Speaking of things, do ship shifters have teeth?
[SPEAKER_03]: They form teeth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't eat like we do.
[SPEAKER_03]: So Renee didn't have to wear dentures or anything.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't have anything like he had his teeth.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, he had the makeup.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had no appliances on his teeth.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, the makeup came down to his lips, so it made it impossible for him to eat.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't impossible.
[SPEAKER_00]: It just meant that his makeup artist had to do touch us whenever Renee ate.
[SPEAKER_00]: He had to have a touch up because the glue would come up from it would go right down to his lips.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_01]: Can I ask you, is there a reason she doesn't have a name?
[SPEAKER_00]: Because she's a drop in the ocean.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_01]: And a notion in a drop in the ocean in a drop.
[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Terry was Michael Westmore ever sick so that he was not the one to apply your spots ever.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, what happened was he was really sick and had to come in and do my spots because nobody else could do them.
[SPEAKER_01]: So then he taught Karen, um, Iverson how to do them.
[SPEAKER_01]: Karen Westerfield did them once, but it was hard for me too after having him do it for so long.
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard to trust somebody else.
[SPEAKER_03]: He did it freehand.
[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't have a stencil or anything.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there's just this, you guys all know this intimacy with having whoever your makeup artist knows every mood, everything that you've been going through after years of working together.
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you have someone brand new on working on your spots.
[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, what?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll worry that they don't know as much as the regular person.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that somehow your makeup is going to be lesser as Terry pointed
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and sometimes it is lesser because they aren't doing it exactly like your person does.
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean that it isn't good enough for the, then anybody else is going to notice, but you do, and that's where again, when you're over tired in these crazy hours, it's hard to keep things in perspective sometimes.
[SPEAKER_03]: Tina was my makeup artist and she would do my sideburns because I couldn't grow the pointy sideburns.
[SPEAKER_03]: I just, I can grow beard, but I can't do it.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's no sideburns.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
[SPEAKER_03]: So they would put on, she would put on my sideburns.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I remember when Tina didn't do my sideburns and someone else did it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It was always weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I was like, that's not what my sideburns look like.
[UNKNOWN]: I
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you see, to get really hyper picky about I hate when other people did my hands.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, when has nails?
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have nails.
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a scientist.
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so they're at the upper level.
[SPEAKER_02]: Now in the bottom level of the promenade, Odo sees Kira walking, striding through and starts to run after her.
[SPEAKER_02]: Because clearly, he hasn't seen her in days, because he's been linking.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, as she steps into trouble,
[SPEAKER_02]: yelling at her major and the door closes and then he finds another way to run up to find her.
[SPEAKER_02]: And when he catches up with her, she is angry and does not want to talk Odo apologizes, but it's too little too late.
[SPEAKER_03]: She's like, that's that's it.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what you wanted to tell me.
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: You just wanted to say I'm sorry.
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that's not good enough for her.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's so much
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, going on wrong, and then she says, well, let me tell you something, Odo, we are way past sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we are way way past sorry.
[SPEAKER_02]: She adds another way on there.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we jumped to the bridge where several Federation ships have been sent to the back of the formation for repairs.
[SPEAKER_03]: they already have a small fleet and they're they're they're so battered and beat up from other battles that they're just falling out on even on the trip.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, they haven't even got there yet.
[SPEAKER_02]: And 11 ships are sort of out of commission.
[SPEAKER_02]: Brian picks up on the sensors.
[SPEAKER_02]: The large dominion fleet 1,254 ships total, which is double the number of Federation ships and Cisco gives the command for all ships to assume attack formation delta 2.
[SPEAKER_02]: and he ends with the fortune favors the bold line.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the only time we even hear it.
[SPEAKER_02]: Isn't that right?
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.
[SPEAKER_01]: There was this moment too during this, where if you looked at Sidig Elfidel, it's like, oh no, do not say what's in your mind about statistics right now.
[SPEAKER_01]: God for being here.
[SPEAKER_01]: I am overthinking it while I was watching this scene like, no, no, no, no.
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to give Sid something to do in the episode.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, yeah.
[SPEAKER_01]: But if he said, what are the probability of us winning would be, it'd be like, if the morale was finally crawling back up, we would have been right on the toilet.
[SPEAKER_02]: Sid did earlier in the mess hall get to order a Ractagino from the real history.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's funny.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he got to check Garic for tags.
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
[SPEAKER_02]: In tags.
[SPEAKER_02]: Skin tags.
[SPEAKER_02]: That's what he was doing.
[SPEAKER_02]: So weird.
[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to say it does say the shot outside of the whole Starfleet fleet heading through space.
[SPEAKER_03]: It says in the script, angle on the screen space, the biggest enemy fleet we've ever seen is waiting to meet us, a solid wall of ships and an awesome site.
[SPEAKER_01]: It looks huge.
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, very impressive.
[SPEAKER_02]: And the episode ends with the two be continued plaque on the screen.
[SPEAKER_02]: And that is the end of our episode.
[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm bump.
[SPEAKER_00]: I have three things, okay.
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Turn it away.
[SPEAKER_00]: The first one I wrote is it does not take much strength to do things, but it requires a great deal of strength to decide what to do.
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is my thing about choices.
[SPEAKER_00]: The other one is perhaps, we are what we are, as she says, to weigh as a female.
[SPEAKER_00]: And the third one I've already talked about, which is the title doesn't fit the episode.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we are what we are.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what happens, that the heroes become more heroes, the villains become more villains.
[SPEAKER_00]: The people on the fence have to make a choice, and they find out to their dismay who they really are.
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know themselves.
[SPEAKER_00]: They find out from the choices that they make.
[SPEAKER_02]: Jeff air.
[SPEAKER_02]: What is your thing?
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, be a plan.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be brave.
[SPEAKER_01]: Be bold and do it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, that's what Rom didn't look what I happened to him.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but it doesn't mean they're all going to work out.
[SPEAKER_01]: But you do have to make a plan and do something.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't sit on your butt and expect something to change.
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to add on these situations.
[SPEAKER_01]: You do have to be bold and you do have to be brave.
[SPEAKER_01]: Know what he's going to come over and tap you on the shoulder and go, really hope you can do this.
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have any of that kind of noise.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's an excellent, excellent theme, not only for the show, but for life in general.
[SPEAKER_00]: I just love what you just said, Terry.
[SPEAKER_03]: This was a hard one to find a theme for me, but then I think when I was writing my poem, it came to me about choices and choosing sides.
[SPEAKER_03]: And to me, the common theme and all of the stories was that loyalty must be chosen.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not inherited.
[SPEAKER_03]: Quark chooses
[SPEAKER_03]: to help rom, not just because he's family, but he makes a choice to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: Zia'll makes a choice.
[SPEAKER_03]: Cisco makes a choice of where their loyalties are.
[SPEAKER_02]: My theme, or my lesson, is don't mess with Kira or her friends.
[UNKNOWN]: No.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, our Patreon poll winner for the theme moral of this episode is submitted by J. Fernus.
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is, dare to be bold or no gains can be made.
[SPEAKER_03]: sometimes you have to invite risk to create opportunities.
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so great.
[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
[SPEAKER_03]: Very well said.
[SPEAKER_01]: And Honorable mentioned, the moral is submitted by Laurie Ulster.
[SPEAKER_01]: Pay attention to what's going on around you.
[SPEAKER_01]: Damn it.
[SPEAKER_00]: Laurie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Laurie.
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he's in the big first words.
[SPEAKER_02]: Was it vice for Odo?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think so.
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you everyone for tuning in to our recap and discussion of favor the bold and join us next time when we will be recapping and discussing sacrifice of angels with armen.
[SPEAKER_02]: We want to thank both armen and Terry for being here.
[SPEAKER_02]: this time co-hosting with us.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's always a joy.
[SPEAKER_02]: I always look forward to having both of them on here.
[SPEAKER_02]: Robby does too.
[SPEAKER_02]: It's super fun having the dynamic of all four of us together.
[SPEAKER_02]: So thank you to both of you too.
[SPEAKER_00]: Two.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Niners in one.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
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