WEBVTT 00:03.139 --> 00:07.816 [SPEAKER_01]: This show is brought to you by The Makeery, the podcast network for makers. 00:17.509 --> 00:17.929 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready? 00:18.470 --> 00:18.830 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready. 00:19.150 --> 00:21.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, Ben, come on us here. 00:21.471 --> 00:23.072 [SPEAKER_01]: My man, my brother is here. 00:23.832 --> 00:28.955 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the full last podcast I'm Jeff Ader and before we get into it with Ben, let's just take care of the business first things. 00:28.975 --> 00:30.456 [SPEAKER_01]: First, I'm going to thank my friends at Broadbeck. 00:30.516 --> 00:33.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Ironworks make us a 2 by 72 grinder and more and more and more. 00:34.017 --> 00:43.322 [SPEAKER_01]: If you want to get a good grinder or attachments or if you have a grinder and you need attachments they're very retrofitable, good at Broadbeck Ironworks.com put the rubble, good knife, talk 10 and get 10% off everything. 00:43.622 --> 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electric fuzz, the electric fuzz. 06:18.708 --> 06:19.588 [SPEAKER_01]: That stuff is slick. 06:20.208 --> 06:21.429 [SPEAKER_01]: Next, my friends at Tormec. 06:21.449 --> 06:23.451 [SPEAKER_01]: Tormec just sent me some new wheels. 06:23.612 --> 06:25.073 [SPEAKER_01]: I am all in. 06:25.634 --> 06:29.978 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm using the wheels more than I think that I'm grinding down there. 06:30.459 --> 06:33.942 [SPEAKER_01]: They're sharpening wheels more than anybody else. 06:33.982 --> 06:37.546 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anybody is putting the miles on their Tormec as I am. 06:37.686 --> 06:40.449 [SPEAKER_01]: I am using these Tormec's 06:41.049 --> 07:00.840 [SPEAKER_01]: all the time and i'm grinding them down a little nubs and they send me new ones because yeah we get a sponsorship building you know what i'm saying but i'm a huge fan it's made me a better knife maker by far uh they're 50 they're celebrating over 50 years of being a business with a black t.a sharpening system uh go to tour make underscore sharpening instagram i'm going to be at i'm also going to be doing something with them and make a camp 07:01.740 --> 07:03.921 [SPEAKER_01]: The boys or we may be we'll do like a Q&A. 07:04.181 --> 07:11.024 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk whatever you want to talk about it with the guys over in Tormic and if you're a maker can't go check that out. 07:11.084 --> 07:26.991 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be running all of the place John Ariane and a kick my ass, but that's just the way it is But Tormic is great and if you're trying to get into sharpening or you're trying to get into knife making and you're just trying to have something as very steady and Something that's gonna take off the right amount of material just get yourself a Tormic 07:28.412 --> 07:35.459 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're Australian, you're trying to figure out what you want to do to life, and you don't want to buy all this stuff without knowing, go to NordicEdge.com.au. 07:35.999 --> 07:42.146 [SPEAKER_01]: Not only do they supply a knife makers with all the stuff they're going to need to make knives, but they're also going to teach classes. 07:42.226 --> 07:45.709 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not Australian, they are going to 100% teach classes. 07:46.250 --> 07:50.154 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can learn about spoon carving, leatherworking, all that stuff. 07:52.320 --> 07:53.541 [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to teach you how to do it. 07:53.862 --> 08:04.012 [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to teach you how to do it with great teachers like Mertansu, He's involved, Bjorn, Sausage Man forge, and then you can make a decision whether or not you're going to get involved. 08:04.412 --> 08:15.243 [SPEAKER_01]: But they also have Ryan O'et, they also have a great file guide and I'm all in on nordicedge.com.au and last was certainly not at least so to think my friends are Phoenix abrasives. 08:15.823 --> 08:26.730 [SPEAKER_01]: Phoenixabrasives.com for all your supplies for abrasive products for every application knife making fatal fabrication glass fabrication, floor sanding, and crankshaft. 08:27.210 --> 08:28.231 [SPEAKER_01]: Belts grinding cuttingists. 08:28.311 --> 08:31.013 [SPEAKER_01]: I just picked up some surface conditioning belts. 08:31.473 --> 08:39.739 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to do a lot of belt finish, and I got my surface conditioning belts from them, and I put in the promo code FB10 to check out, and I got 10% off everything. 08:40.599 --> 08:42.801 [SPEAKER_01]: So definitely get yourself involved with Phoenixabrasives. 08:45.202 --> 08:50.864 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think my bro, who's back, I haven't seen, I haven't talked to my man, Ben come on in a long time. 08:50.924 --> 08:53.084 [SPEAKER_01]: One of my favorite things about Ben is he's such a good guy. 08:53.124 --> 08:55.245 [SPEAKER_01]: He's such an extraordinary knife maker. 08:55.865 --> 08:57.785 [SPEAKER_01]: His knives are unbelievable. 08:57.825 --> 09:01.746 [SPEAKER_01]: He is definitely in the pantheon of great knife makers in the world. 09:02.246 --> 09:03.787 [SPEAKER_01]: The funniest part is... 09:04.847 --> 09:06.128 [SPEAKER_01]: And Ben, you're just gonna have to take it. 09:06.168 --> 09:07.869 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, stop it. 09:08.149 --> 09:09.070 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take it. 09:09.670 --> 09:16.154 [SPEAKER_01]: So when I was in Barcelona, we were talking to the told him we were told, we were just like, yeah, when we did the collaboration, I mean, you need to take it five minutes and he sold everything. 09:16.674 --> 09:21.777 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like so high level, but the best part is, he likes coming here and he likes just shooting his shit. 09:21.977 --> 09:29.621 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I love so it's so much funny did not have to talk about knives and you're talking with the word of the best I think is the world He just wants to fuck around. 09:29.941 --> 09:30.222 [SPEAKER_01]: Ben. 09:30.282 --> 09:30.822 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm great. 09:30.902 --> 09:48.632 [SPEAKER_00]: It's funny that you say that because every time I get a visit from another knife Make I'm also like that and they're kind of annoyed because when they visit me they usually want to work and I don't want to work I don't know if I ever told that that's that's yeah, I want to you know shoot the shit talk a little because I mean 09:49.792 --> 10:07.507 [SPEAKER_00]: We're working, we do on our own anyways, so when I get a visit, I rarely visit, you know, working usually For myself and on my own I'd much prefer to talk to people and, you know Ask them what's going on and all the hundred percent 10:08.699 --> 10:10.120 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, that's the best part. 10:10.140 --> 10:12.181 [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of my favorite things about you. 10:12.221 --> 10:19.765 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like I tell people like to do just like so sought after and you're so well-respected But he just wants to do like weird news and fuck around with my favorite. 10:19.785 --> 10:20.966 [SPEAKER_01]: That's my favorite thing. 10:20.986 --> 10:23.908 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just like yeah, you know what we get to the knife making someday 10:24.728 --> 10:26.629 [SPEAKER_01]: But have you been a lot actually? 10:27.130 --> 10:28.571 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know, holiday time. 10:28.691 --> 10:34.935 [SPEAKER_00]: My boy, the older one, the 10-year-old, was with me last week, four days out of five in the shop. 10:35.896 --> 10:36.096 [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. 10:36.697 --> 10:49.306 [SPEAKER_00]: It was fun, though, and it was the first time, because I had him in the shop alone, like only me and him before, but this time around was the first time where I actually got to work, and he was 10:50.406 --> 10:55.070 [SPEAKER_00]: Kind of working on his own and yeah, I tried that quite a lot. 10:55.410 --> 11:01.695 [SPEAKER_00]: He loves the drill press So he took a short apprenticeship with me. 11:02.176 --> 11:04.618 [SPEAKER_00]: I told him the most important things not to do 11:05.678 --> 11:09.519 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he essentially was free to go with some wood. 11:09.679 --> 11:19.843 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's not drilling steel or anything, but he's mainly woodworking in my shop, but he has a lot of fun with it and I enjoy it too to be honest. 11:22.013 --> 11:27.537 [SPEAKER_01]: That's great, you know, that's the hard part with kids, especially you want to bring them into your world. 11:28.058 --> 11:31.460 [SPEAKER_01]: I've mentioned this in the podcast before, but years ago, I was in a metal shop. 11:32.001 --> 11:38.286 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like a really kind of, you know, it was a very high traffic up as you metal shop, so it wasn't super clean. 11:38.486 --> 11:45.011 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, and I've talked about this before, like sometimes the shops that are so super duper clean, usually means there's not a lot of work going on. 11:45.491 --> 11:47.373 [SPEAKER_01]: I was in this one shop that we were just, it was a 11:47.973 --> 11:50.474 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a fucking wreck because we were just working so hard. 11:50.514 --> 11:53.914 [SPEAKER_01]: Just we finished our project to chip off and then we're on to the next project. 11:53.974 --> 11:55.475 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like one of those things. 11:55.535 --> 12:00.656 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we had this hurricane that came through on New York Hurricane Sandy was bad. 12:00.676 --> 12:04.697 [SPEAKER_01]: It knocked everybody out in the school system out for my daughter's school system. 12:04.717 --> 12:06.517 [SPEAKER_01]: So my boss was just like, well, just bring her here. 12:06.537 --> 12:10.758 [SPEAKER_01]: I had we have Wi-Fi and she can just hang out at the shop. 12:10.778 --> 12:11.859 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a break room. 12:12.099 --> 12:16.260 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember she was at the shop at the break room for about five days. 12:18.860 --> 12:23.882 [SPEAKER_01]: She was probably a little younger, probably a little bit younger, 10, so yeah, it was younger than your son. 12:23.922 --> 12:26.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Probably she was like, seven or something like that. 12:26.563 --> 12:36.385 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just remember, you know, that everybody was so nice to her, and they knew that it was like not what, you know, the best opportunity, but otherwise I wouldn't be able to come to the shop when you get paid, you know, it was the nightmare. 12:36.926 --> 12:41.647 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember just being embarrassed, frankly, because, you know, you know, you know, you 12:42.007 --> 12:46.271 [SPEAKER_01]: It was so like not what I wanted her to be in this break this dirty break room. 12:46.411 --> 12:58.982 [SPEAKER_01]: There were lockers there and you know It was just like grungy and stuff again She was just kind of doing her homework or watching you know Netflix on her I her pallet or her tab or something like that and then during COVID 13:00.023 --> 13:06.167 [SPEAKER_01]: I finally had my own shop and then I remember when during COVID, she was at home all the time. 13:06.187 --> 13:06.948 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I have a great idea. 13:06.968 --> 13:10.130 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to come to the shop, a clean and area off for you. 13:10.230 --> 13:21.417 [SPEAKER_01]: I won't make any noise to your class in the shop and I cleared the main space and I made it really nice and I gave her this giant table, like the layout table turned into my own desk and it was like, 13:22.037 --> 13:32.924 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, and I was, I remember like hand sanding while she was in her class, and that was a much better, but I have real kind of like mixed feelings in regards to, I mean kids. 13:41.824 --> 13:43.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she remembers it. 13:43.564 --> 13:46.025 [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't remember it being terrible. 13:46.205 --> 13:47.766 [SPEAKER_01]: She remembers it being grim. 13:48.326 --> 13:57.008 [SPEAKER_01]: But she also, it's interesting, because we don't, I mean, we have relatively middle-class family and we can do certain things we can't do others. 13:57.528 --> 13:58.868 [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't a whole lot of options. 13:59.208 --> 14:00.749 [SPEAKER_01]: So we were really running out of options. 14:00.829 --> 14:09.631 [SPEAKER_01]: And I told her, I think I had her on the podcast one time and I told her that was one of my biggest embarrassments in regards to her just sitting in the shop and then everyone coming for lunch and everyone covered. 14:10.452 --> 14:26.592 [SPEAKER_01]: steel dust and we're all filthy and we're all, you know, everyone was really nice to her and stuff like that But I was just like, yeah, this isn't what I've seven year old needs in their life, but She didn't she didn't she didn't feel a badly about it, but I just remember it being like I would think I mean when I when I visit the visit of my dad and the shop 14:28.292 --> 14:34.873 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I mean, me being a man and kind of being interested in crafts and all that, maybe it was a different experience. 14:34.913 --> 14:42.095 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how Lila is with working with her hands and all that, but for me, it was pretty exciting. 14:42.175 --> 14:55.758 [SPEAKER_00]: Even though I was kind of shocked how dirty everything is, and I wasn't used to that, and I also wasn't having been used to the language back then as a kid, you know, you kind of get big ears and learn a little, but other than that, 14:56.638 --> 15:02.315 [SPEAKER_00]: for me as a kid it was always exciting so I would assume that she had kind of a good time as well. 15:04.585 --> 15:06.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there are some times she likes. 15:06.526 --> 15:06.947 [SPEAKER_01]: He liked it. 15:07.027 --> 15:14.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, sometimes if we were to do an install the day before the next day, I would take the truck home with me. 15:15.432 --> 15:19.035 [SPEAKER_01]: And then she got to ride in an install truck, which I thought was crazy. 15:19.055 --> 15:19.835 [SPEAKER_01]: She was tiny. 15:19.936 --> 15:21.697 [SPEAKER_01]: She couldn't even, her feet wouldn't touch it. 15:21.797 --> 15:24.959 [SPEAKER_01]: I had her strapped into an in a front seat of an install truck. 15:25.419 --> 15:28.942 [SPEAKER_01]: And she remembers that being like, create like being in a boat, you know? 15:29.882 --> 15:35.546 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the best thing is that she actually, she's just got back from Japan. 15:35.586 --> 15:40.729 [SPEAKER_01]: She's in a Los Angeles for the next couple of days and she's coming home, which we're really excited about. 15:40.909 --> 15:55.277 [SPEAKER_01]: The way she's kind of like, when she thinks back to her childhood, I think, is she sees how hard I worked, because I'm covered in dirt and I'm not like a salary man or I'm not like some dude coming in and is, you know, in a wearing shirt tie. 15:55.357 --> 15:56.898 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she sees how hard I work. 15:57.438 --> 16:02.843 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that's given her a little bit more perspective in regards to working that. 16:03.063 --> 16:05.925 [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't work with her hands, I mean, she doesn't want to do that. 16:06.466 --> 16:11.750 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think that she sees a little bit more about her mother and I, you know, how hard it worked. 16:11.770 --> 16:14.132 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the good part, like, yeah. 16:14.172 --> 16:14.872 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I get it. 16:15.173 --> 16:25.061 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can feel happy that she recognized that because my boy, he's similar to me, and at 10 years old, he doesn't really understand that yet, I think. 16:25.861 --> 16:30.044 [SPEAKER_00]: He also is absolutely not appreciative of my cooking. 16:30.584 --> 16:38.710 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I told him, look, you're soon going to be in that age because I had that awakening as a child as well. 16:39.030 --> 16:50.578 [SPEAKER_00]: When you visit friends and for the first time another mother cooks for you or something like that when you stay overnight and all that, where I was thinking, I mean, I never had problems with the food served at home. 16:51.458 --> 16:59.321 [SPEAKER_00]: But only then was it where I really valued it because then I saw what kind of shit, jail food, other kids were getting. 17:00.701 --> 17:01.921 [SPEAKER_00]: And my kid is the same. 17:01.961 --> 17:06.603 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't appreciate it at all, but I'm thinking soon he will hopefully. 17:08.635 --> 17:13.800 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny because when I was at when Lila was very young, she was like, she just ate chicken nuggets. 17:14.540 --> 17:16.462 [SPEAKER_01]: And I used to make jokes saying, what are we going to do? 17:16.762 --> 17:20.085 [SPEAKER_01]: You're making a half to bring chicken nuggets to your wedding or how are we doing it? 17:20.105 --> 17:25.830 [SPEAKER_01]: When you get older, she always remembers me saying this because you used to say to me all the time, and when you do as he chained eggs. 17:26.410 --> 17:33.655 [SPEAKER_01]: And now, you know, it's like a snap of the finger, something happens, and then they get this real, you know, it's like a such a change. 17:34.135 --> 17:46.363 [SPEAKER_01]: But I remember my father's really good cook my mother's a horrible cook, and I remember really looking forward to going to friends' houses to eat, because I loved eating someone's, some like, like, I really loved. 17:46.383 --> 17:46.583 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 17:49.285 --> 17:55.030 [SPEAKER_01]: Whatever anything I just wanted I just didn't want it to taste like my parents food I didn't want it to taste like my dad's food. 17:55.110 --> 18:17.607 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted something that was just like yeah I'll remember going to a friend's house and just do the father was like I don't know what that'll the father was doing he was cooking big clams like most clams So it's what clam and then you know like a big clam and then they chop it up with like cheese and garlic and bread crumbs And they make it almost like a patty and they put it back on the shell and they bake it in the shell 18:18.187 --> 18:24.310 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's like cheese and parsley and garlic and stuff like that, maybe some, you know, it's like a crab cake or something like that. 18:24.350 --> 18:36.377 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like pretty, it's like basically stretching out how much you get that, you know, stretching a clam right and I just never forget going to their house near me, maybe they're making big clams on a grill and I'm sick. 18:36.477 --> 18:42.160 [SPEAKER_01]: This crazy, I can't believe I got invited to someone's house and I'm making, we never had anything like this. 18:42.820 --> 18:44.221 [SPEAKER_01]: And they said, all right, everybody get your plates. 18:44.641 --> 18:46.322 [SPEAKER_01]: They gave us styrofoam plates. 18:47.522 --> 18:52.925 [SPEAKER_01]: And we went over to the grill and the father put a hot... Yeah, it's very cold. 18:53.065 --> 18:55.686 [SPEAKER_01]: It's cooked in the shell. 18:55.886 --> 18:59.628 [SPEAKER_01]: And he picked it up and he put it on the styrofoam plate. 18:59.788 --> 19:02.970 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember it just melting through and making his giant 19:06.151 --> 19:16.942 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's the way it's supposed to be, but it was like, I had this plate with like this fucking melted star from that's why I had the reason why I end the way up Said dealt with I've gone to these people's house It came home like that. 19:16.962 --> 19:18.063 [SPEAKER_01]: You never believe what we did. 19:18.323 --> 19:19.424 [SPEAKER_01]: We were melting plastic. 19:19.564 --> 19:25.430 [SPEAKER_00]: They're melting plastic That's why they're trying to say surf their food on star on star on star on platform plate 19:26.943 --> 19:30.867 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, dude, I don't, this was back in the, in the early 80s. 19:31.127 --> 19:33.809 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, I think people just didn't want to do dishes in the summertime. 19:34.270 --> 19:45.880 [SPEAKER_01]: That was a big thing, you know, doing the dishes in the summertime wasn't really where it's at, but I definitely remember, I remember those days of going to someone else's house and really kind of enjoying it. 19:45.960 --> 19:48.642 [SPEAKER_01]: So, everything, so, yeah, so far these are going good. 19:50.023 --> 20:09.596 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I wasn't sick for the first time since my self-employment, I think, maybe I had the shits one time and stayed off one day, but nothing serious, but this time, I think I was at home for three days or something like that, maybe a week, because I got some shred 20:18.962 --> 20:33.245 [SPEAKER_00]: And you always learn that in a apprenticeship that when you're chistless and, you know, punching hard and steel with a hammer, for example, that that's pretty dangerous and that you always have to dress your chistless, right? 20:34.186 --> 20:49.216 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I was exactly mushroom mushroom mushroom mushroom I was punching out from my power hammer the die key, you know the the wedge the hard wedge Yeah, it's hard and steel and I was punching it out for that purpose. 20:49.816 --> 20:50.657 [SPEAKER_00]: I made myself 20:51.557 --> 21:05.894 [SPEAKER_00]: Just for that purpose, a soft annealed hammer, like mild seal essentially because I used a used copper before and I used brass because I knew theoretically people would use that stuff, but it both turned out to be too soft, the wear was just crazy. 21:06.234 --> 21:08.717 [SPEAKER_00]: When you hit it with copper, I mean, copper just... 21:09.478 --> 21:29.062 [SPEAKER_00]: obliterates more or less instantly it's it's ductile it stays stays to get about it just doesn't translate any force and brass kind of splits apart but the wearer is pretty crazy as well so i made myself a bigger soft and yield hammer for that purpose thinking 21:30.308 --> 21:30.849 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 21:31.850 --> 21:35.653 [SPEAKER_01]: To knock out the keys for your die, to knock the keys out. 21:35.693 --> 21:36.113 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 21:36.293 --> 21:43.360 [SPEAKER_00]: We've the thought in mind that I don't want those fucking splinters or shred no, you know, shooting off of that, of that die key. 21:46.222 --> 21:49.105 [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, I hit it with that fucking softening humor. 21:49.645 --> 21:54.569 [SPEAKER_00]: And what shoots off is a fucking 22 bullet right in my forearm. 21:56.995 --> 21:58.056 [SPEAKER_00]: No, that was funny as well. 21:58.096 --> 21:59.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Did you know it in quite good? 21:59.657 --> 22:00.077 [SPEAKER_00]: Quite good. 22:00.898 --> 22:02.299 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was a very small hole. 22:02.359 --> 22:11.805 [SPEAKER_00]: But considering of the key, after key, I also saw very, you know, Shrapnel offer came off of the key. 22:12.866 --> 22:14.266 [SPEAKER_00]: The hole was relatively little. 22:14.447 --> 22:16.168 [SPEAKER_00]: It hurt quite a lot, but nothing. 22:16.268 --> 22:18.849 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like if you got hit with a BB gun. 22:19.430 --> 22:19.510 [SPEAKER_00]: And, 22:21.032 --> 22:32.684 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but at that time, it did hurt as much as it turned out to be, you know, as deep it was it was in I thought maybe it just cut me open and ricochet off of my forearm. 22:33.444 --> 22:40.011 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was, you know, I was I was managing the bleeding and after that I was pressing around the wound because I was thinking, 22:40.471 --> 22:51.320 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you get those little metal shavings in your finger or wood chips, they heard quite a bit, even though they are very small and just superficial, right? 22:51.920 --> 22:56.884 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was thinking, if you've got fucking shrapnel in your forearm, it will hurt like crazy. 22:56.904 --> 22:58.266 [SPEAKER_00]: That was my logic. 22:58.866 --> 22:59.406 [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't hurt. 22:59.687 --> 23:01.328 [SPEAKER_00]: I was pressing around, it didn't hurt. 23:01.848 --> 23:03.310 [SPEAKER_00]: I went back to work, you know? 23:03.890 --> 23:29.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Then later on I thought maybe try a magnet maybe magnet sticks because when it's still in there, maybe the magnet will stick I did video tape all of that and put it in my stories because I found it Yeah, I found it interesting anyways magnet didn't stick and then I went back to work again and and and a little while later half an hour or whatever I remembered one of those metal detectors, you know, you would use for when you 23:34.218 --> 23:37.481 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah exactly and I start with that thing. 23:37.541 --> 23:44.329 [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually 0% on all of my arm But on one spot it was 10% like metal. 23:44.369 --> 23:45.831 [SPEAKER_00]: It detected 10% metal. 23:47.092 --> 23:51.217 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Yeah, I mean 23:54.463 --> 23:56.766 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I mean, all of a sudden, you're just like, there's something in there. 23:56.966 --> 24:04.596 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not that I've always been like, because I knew, okay, hospital and probably they will help me open and, you know, more because of that. 24:05.772 --> 24:07.332 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's exactly what happened. 24:07.352 --> 24:09.453 [SPEAKER_00]: So I went to the hospital, they x-rayed me. 24:10.013 --> 24:14.035 [SPEAKER_00]: The lady, they are not supposed to tell you anything because they are not the doctors. 24:14.075 --> 24:18.096 [SPEAKER_00]: But she just told me, I think we will see again. 24:19.496 --> 24:20.997 [SPEAKER_00]: And she didn't tell me anything else. 24:21.317 --> 24:22.797 [SPEAKER_00]: So I waited for the doctor. 24:22.817 --> 24:27.979 [SPEAKER_00]: He looked at the x-rays and the guy was quite amazing because immediately he was horny. 24:28.039 --> 24:33.180 [SPEAKER_00]: He immediately said, wow, I want to take that 24:36.365 --> 24:38.127 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's exactly what I wanted. 24:38.167 --> 24:40.009 [SPEAKER_01]: What a psychopath! 24:40.029 --> 24:42.412 [SPEAKER_00]: Because imagine you get someone who's scared. 24:42.552 --> 24:44.474 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I would be scared as fuck. 24:44.554 --> 24:46.937 [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine you opening someone up. 24:47.437 --> 24:55.406 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was a cut like a little under an inch long and round about an inch deep. 24:59.127 --> 25:06.728 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, it's fucking, well, I would think the reason why he's horny is because there's no like, you got it where there was no like vital organs. 25:07.388 --> 25:10.229 [SPEAKER_01]: So he's just like, he gets to the trend of my husband. 25:10.249 --> 25:18.390 [SPEAKER_00]: I told me, yeah, they get old ladies falling and having wounds on the head and things like that all the time. 25:18.770 --> 25:22.471 [SPEAKER_00]: So they are horny because that is kind of exciting for them. 25:22.551 --> 25:23.651 [SPEAKER_00]: They don't see that every day. 25:24.131 --> 25:25.572 [SPEAKER_00]: She explained like that more or less. 25:29.420 --> 25:32.101 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that's a... 25:32.121 --> 25:33.102 [SPEAKER_01]: So how did they take it out? 25:33.382 --> 25:34.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Immediately, it went so fast. 25:35.003 --> 25:35.883 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 25:36.483 --> 25:38.164 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and we were talking hospital times. 25:38.204 --> 25:40.365 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was expecting three to five hours weight. 25:40.465 --> 25:45.047 [SPEAKER_00]: But they, you know, first X-ray was like 20 minutes weight time. 25:45.407 --> 25:47.989 [SPEAKER_00]: Then another 20 minutes until the dog looked at me. 25:48.209 --> 25:50.590 [SPEAKER_00]: And 40 minutes, 40 minutes again. 25:50.870 --> 25:52.071 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was laying on the table. 25:52.511 --> 25:54.031 [SPEAKER_00]: And they were opening me up. 25:54.072 --> 25:55.772 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was pretty quickly. 26:00.333 --> 26:19.527 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they checked it on your own or an aesthetic locally and then I my arm was laying so I was laying on my back and my arm was laying on the left side on an x-ray machine So they cut me open and then they were going in with tweezers like really pressing them in. 26:19.668 --> 26:21.429 [SPEAKER_00]: I was just feeling the resistance on my arm. 26:21.509 --> 26:22.630 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel any pain, but 26:23.110 --> 26:29.932 [SPEAKER_00]: I was feeling how they were moving my arm around, you know, so that's how I knew that they press it in there quite a lot. 26:30.032 --> 26:31.012 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 26:31.513 --> 26:36.414 [SPEAKER_00]: And all of every five seconds or something, they said picture, picture. 26:36.794 --> 26:43.416 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was when the assistant took an extra picture to, you know, locate their 26:49.007 --> 26:52.329 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, they didn't, they didn't, they didn't know exactly what it is. 26:52.489 --> 26:57.233 [SPEAKER_00]: And then they tried to navigate with the tweezers or tongues. 26:57.313 --> 26:58.534 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you would call them. 26:59.154 --> 26:59.354 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 27:00.195 --> 27:02.036 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, tried to navigate to the front row. 27:02.056 --> 27:02.576 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 27:02.636 --> 27:06.899 [SPEAKER_00]: And the funny thing is, uh, and that was a insanely nice insight. 27:06.919 --> 27:13.404 [SPEAKER_00]: So the doctor that I was talking about getting horny, he was, you know, he was a doctor, still studying. 27:13.764 --> 27:14.684 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you called it. 27:14.865 --> 27:16.746 [SPEAKER_00]: Not, not, yeah, resident. 27:17.914 --> 27:18.294 [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. 27:18.374 --> 27:20.435 [SPEAKER_00]: And his boss was sitting during the operation. 27:20.455 --> 27:24.556 [SPEAKER_00]: He's also sitting next to him. 27:25.836 --> 27:32.558 [SPEAKER_00]: And he, you know, at a certain point of the ten minutes of the searching, he was kind of getting nowhere. 27:32.898 --> 27:34.239 [SPEAKER_00]: The boss took over. 27:35.239 --> 27:41.162 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he finished the job, but then I also witnessed how he tells him what to do different. 27:41.222 --> 27:47.685 [SPEAKER_00]: He gave him some good pointers and also, how do we say that complemented him for the good work. 27:48.126 --> 27:52.108 [SPEAKER_00]: So it really was, it reminded me of a standard apprenticeship in a metal 27:58.712 --> 27:59.032 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 27:59.693 --> 28:04.400 [SPEAKER_01]: So how long, so they dug around, you know, how many times do you think they took the photograph? 28:04.840 --> 28:05.721 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 28:05.741 --> 28:06.923 [SPEAKER_01]: 20,000 times, maybe. 28:08.866 --> 28:09.967 [SPEAKER_00]: But it was very local. 28:10.167 --> 28:11.229 [SPEAKER_00]: So it was a small one. 28:11.249 --> 28:15.495 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like a dish, like a, you know. 28:20.595 --> 28:27.302 [SPEAKER_01]: What a pain, yeah, well, I mean, because, like, I don't even imagine that it wasn't a very deep, I don't know how deep they cut, right? 28:27.342 --> 28:28.623 [SPEAKER_01]: I think they could open that big. 28:28.983 --> 28:29.324 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 28:29.724 --> 28:37.772 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was almost lunch, but then death probably not as deep, yeah, they were trying to find the hole where the shrimp no went in. 28:38.733 --> 28:41.175 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 28:43.288 --> 28:45.930 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so that is not very interesting. 28:45.950 --> 28:52.997 [SPEAKER_00]: The shortcut, my scale to weight only goes to 0.1 grams. 28:53.177 --> 28:57.020 [SPEAKER_00]: That's very, very, you know, that's nothing. 28:58.101 --> 28:59.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Like a small piece of paper essentially. 29:01.224 --> 29:05.427 [SPEAKER_00]: And it didn't even go that high when I put it on the scale. 29:05.628 --> 29:07.229 [SPEAKER_00]: So I know it's below 0.1 gram. 29:08.650 --> 29:12.892 [SPEAKER_00]: And the dog told me that it was about an inch deep in the flesh. 29:12.972 --> 29:24.196 [SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I used to, I wanted to calculate it on my own, but then I got the idea to simply ask AI, but you can due to the weight. 29:24.736 --> 29:28.297 [SPEAKER_00]: And the death in flesh, you can calculate how fast it must have been going. 29:28.977 --> 29:32.018 [SPEAKER_00]: And it told me that it was going probably around 880 kilometers an hour. 29:39.850 --> 29:40.551 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's similar. 29:40.571 --> 29:43.132 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it calculates just the resistance of Lash. 29:43.232 --> 29:50.656 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how it knows due to the weight and the penetration depth How fast it must have been you can manually calculate that, but I'm at least a bitch. 29:51.096 --> 30:05.924 [SPEAKER_00]: So I just asked here And it's at around 880 kilometers per hour, which is like 500 miles 450 miles an hour So it's I don't know what what that is in bullet speeds, but it yeah 30:08.789 --> 30:09.290 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know either. 30:09.310 --> 30:11.952 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know anything about it, but it means sounds like I'm just about the same. 30:11.972 --> 30:21.580 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so it was a tiny little shot, it was tiny shot, but if you had forgotten about it, if you just just been like, you know what, he said it could go either way. 30:21.660 --> 30:29.847 [SPEAKER_00]: It could either, like your body would build a layer around it and just encapsulate it off. 30:30.488 --> 30:35.713 [SPEAKER_00]: It could happen like that, and nothing would happen, or you could lose your arm. 30:37.013 --> 30:51.000 [SPEAKER_00]: like if it if it if it inflames very bad or you know whatever goes in your bloodstream and other guy through my DMs you know on my stories he told me that he works in a in a morgue or like 30:51.903 --> 30:53.804 [SPEAKER_00]: where they opened up bodies, yeah. 30:54.725 --> 31:06.192 [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, he had seen people die from that when such a small piece gets into the artery in the leg because then that travels in your bloodstream and that means stroke time. 31:08.634 --> 31:09.194 [SPEAKER_00]: Imagine that. 31:11.714 --> 31:13.395 [SPEAKER_01]: God damn. 31:13.535 --> 31:16.437 [SPEAKER_00]: It was only two stitches. 31:16.997 --> 31:27.084 [SPEAKER_00]: They explained to me that they wanted to keep the wound open because it was so deep because like saliva or whatever, your body fluids, they wanted to drain it for a day. 31:27.124 --> 31:31.467 [SPEAKER_00]: I was in the hospital the next day and then they glued it up essentially. 31:37.970 --> 31:40.811 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember when you posted on your stories and I hate this story. 31:41.111 --> 31:45.411 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember you put the stud finder against it and I hate this. 31:46.012 --> 31:47.232 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate everything about this story. 31:47.732 --> 31:53.493 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate accidents are like the worst and I hate them so much. 31:53.613 --> 32:03.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually the last time I went to the hospital was my older employee had basically had an accident in the drill press and you got his hand punctured by. 32:03.975 --> 32:06.296 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I remember the time going into too many details. 32:06.316 --> 32:15.621 [SPEAKER_01]: It was pretty gross and it was like, you know, the chuck was the chuck was in the machine and at the time I was using a pedal of foot pedal and he was moving. 32:15.641 --> 32:28.507 [SPEAKER_01]: He hid the chuck in the thing and he pressed the foot pedal and the gear and the drill spun and it fired the chuck like the handle into his palm. 32:29.467 --> 32:30.147 [SPEAKER_01]: It was gross. 32:30.267 --> 32:33.269 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really gross and it was really one of those things like how the fuck does that happen? 32:33.669 --> 32:55.678 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time I remember we were I ran into the hospital, you know, we Did we do everything by the book here, so we have unemployment, we have like You know, workman's comp if there's a problem and but it was so disgusting like I could think of his goddamn A puncture a puncture wound in your palm left Incredibly annoying for especially for a few days, so 32:57.739 --> 33:01.101 [SPEAKER_01]: Look, it was in his left, he's non-dominant in hand. 33:02.922 --> 33:11.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, lucky, but it was still sucked, you know, we gave him the week off and he wanted to come back and, you know, we took care of it all, but it was, accident's are scared that shit out of me. 33:11.948 --> 33:18.332 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that a friend of us, Noel Bloomberg, he's anti-Oct river for anti-Oct, 33:19.012 --> 33:42.812 [SPEAKER_01]: good guy he's on the hustling grind podcast and he just had a very lucky but you know costly press accident in his fingers and he's got him he still has him but it would like knocked him out of the shop for five four weeks and it's really depressing yeah I think it's conversation with him and we're sending a lot of our best and if you're listening to this and you want to give our man a dream of forward go to it. 33:42.852 --> 33:45.054 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a anti-out river 33:47.236 --> 33:59.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Antiaire for she saw a t-shirt so go get yourself a t-shirt from him that's supporting him and give him a that was a crazy story as well She's a little down the dumps who was that was a crazy story is what all those apartments when you're a but pardon me 34:01.854 --> 34:15.443 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly the exact other was that I gave them a call on me on this conversation last week, but at the same time, I was just like, you know, when you're your own boss, the idea of something happening is just so scary. 34:15.463 --> 34:18.586 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that yours was, you know, ended on the easy side. 34:19.647 --> 34:30.319 [SPEAKER_01]: I just got back from Spain and I had an accident a number of years ago, I was coming back from France and I went to the shop to work on a knife the next day and I didn't realize how tired I was. 34:30.920 --> 34:36.446 [SPEAKER_01]: And at the time I had my, it was just cheese lilies, it was my whole, it was my shed, so this is like maybe. 34:37.207 --> 34:38.528 [SPEAKER_01]: twelve years ago or something like that. 34:38.748 --> 34:46.731 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had the saw in my port of band in my it was in the post-fice. 34:47.092 --> 34:54.135 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was trying to cut off some Corby bolts and the saw was dull and upsticking my finger through it. 34:54.255 --> 34:54.335 [SPEAKER_01]: And 34:54.555 --> 35:10.100 [SPEAKER_01]: Not it didn't it went down to the bone, but I was lucky enough I wound the hospital and then but it was very clear so every time I've ever you know I come back from jet lag I get I get the riot act my wife you know that's just like you're not going to the hospital today so just do paperwork or something like that. 35:10.960 --> 35:18.522 [SPEAKER_01]: but I'm so afraid I'm so afraid of hurting myself and I hate it when my friends hurt themselves with the same time and also. 35:18.782 --> 35:20.282 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's mainly what I'm saying. 35:20.302 --> 35:21.402 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's such a thing. 35:21.422 --> 35:22.322 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like okay. 35:22.602 --> 35:29.644 [SPEAKER_00]: And listen, also because you can't imagine how much better those kind of stories to those filthy animals out there. 35:29.824 --> 35:31.784 [SPEAKER_00]: They are looking to see you hurt. 35:32.925 --> 35:33.145 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 35:37.724 --> 35:41.289 [SPEAKER_01]: I know, I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt. 35:41.309 --> 35:43.792 [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't give them the satisfaction, I should say. 35:44.492 --> 35:48.397 [SPEAKER_01]: So, so I'm sure everyone was telling you what you should do and what you shouldn't do. 35:48.858 --> 35:57.068 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you changed the way, I mean, are you going to have the keys now be different material or what's your plan for making sure that doesn't happen yet? 35:58.408 --> 35:59.329 [SPEAKER_00]: very good question. 35:59.349 --> 36:14.409 [SPEAKER_00]: So I was talking to Riley Cook Patrick and he said he's kind of astonished and he sees the biggest problem of the die keys not being dressed properly or he he's suspected that to be the case. 36:15.109 --> 36:16.491 [SPEAKER_00]: I then told him that they were 36:17.172 --> 36:18.152 [SPEAKER_00]: dressed pretty nicely. 36:18.192 --> 36:21.633 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I changed them a little bit now. 36:21.753 --> 36:41.457 [SPEAKER_00]: I completely rounded them, you know, with a red or flat surface on the on the front, but then everything rounded, various before, there was a concave kind of concave flat, now convex flat surface before, with a, with a, you know, with the edges, the bird, but with an angle, you know, and now it's completely 36:47.798 --> 36:54.520 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, what I will change is that I have some very soft mouths still, um, how would you say it? 36:54.980 --> 37:00.521 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, just a piece of iron, a long piece of iron that I put on on one side and then hit from the other, right? 37:00.861 --> 37:13.084 [SPEAKER_00]: That for one distances me from the die key itself, and then also there is another soft part in between that can't really hit on an angle because what I'm suspecting, I didn't tell you that. 37:17.906 --> 37:21.489 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like soft in the old steel, so pretty much mild steel. 37:22.190 --> 37:30.077 [SPEAKER_00]: I think I hit it at a bad angle, and that just concentrated the forces on an edge and then just made it split still. 37:30.637 --> 37:34.281 [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas when I put another piece of long iron here, 37:35.241 --> 37:42.004 [SPEAKER_00]: On the thing, I'm thinking that you translate the force without any angles or weird movements. 37:42.084 --> 37:51.728 [SPEAKER_01]: I see, so basically you're holding a piece of steel up to the key, like a longer bar, and then you're hitting that longer bar, which is transferring the force through to the key. 37:52.597 --> 38:17.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's a little more difficult to do and about we are talking like maybe it takes a minute more than I never you know what I I remember when I was the center of another arts back in the day and we had to change the dyes It was such a fucking production because it was like every set of dyes had different spacers and different this other thing I just cannot figure out how they're can't be an easier way to to to to 38:18.854 --> 38:23.974 [SPEAKER_01]: Fasten down, dies, then that's key system because it just seems like it just puts your wedges. 38:25.030 --> 38:26.991 [SPEAKER_01]: and things get soft, things get loose. 38:27.571 --> 38:34.095 [SPEAKER_01]: I just never really got, I never really, I'm not saying I understand it, but I don't appreciate it, I don't appreciate it. 38:34.175 --> 38:35.676 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why are we doing this? 38:35.696 --> 38:40.999 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt the same, I felt the same for a long time and I think the main issue is the vibration and the high forces, right? 38:41.019 --> 38:51.665 [SPEAKER_00]: Because every time I think about maybe securing it with some pin, I'm thinking, okay, if it gets loose and all that forces on a pin, for example, that just secures it or it holds it in place, 38:52.825 --> 39:01.269 [SPEAKER_00]: that pain will wear out and either you don't get the pain out because it's, you don't not round anymore, but deformed or it just doesn't help. 39:01.650 --> 39:04.731 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a problem because of those high forces. 39:04.811 --> 39:05.151 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 39:05.712 --> 39:06.872 [SPEAKER_00]: Fucking high impact forces. 39:06.912 --> 39:07.873 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean those hammers. 39:08.813 --> 39:13.295 [SPEAKER_01]: They really are insane, but I also understand the fact that you know sets it dot. 39:13.315 --> 39:16.557 [SPEAKER_01]: You can it allows you to use different size dyes. 39:16.857 --> 39:17.877 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean that's the whole point. 39:18.458 --> 39:23.160 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's not a universal situation like all dyes are a little bit on the different side. 39:23.180 --> 39:35.726 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you have that wedge system as long as you got them blind up the top and the bottom, but it's still just like, did I put the right shim in and I just remember they're being a lot of production and I haven't 39:36.326 --> 39:57.590 [SPEAKER_01]: change a set of I mean my dyes for my my hammer are bolted down they're there their mild steel dyes welded plates and then their holes and I just got to set them up a little bit but then they're bolted on together which is fine I mean this is not a precision power hammer but for what I need it gets everything done but I'm just grateful that I'm not like 39:57.990 --> 40:05.616 [SPEAKER_01]: you know I'm constantly checking to make sure that they're tight every few hits but at the same time I'm just like grateful that they're not like you know friction wedges. 40:06.217 --> 40:06.537 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 40:06.557 --> 40:07.237 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, tell with that. 40:07.998 --> 40:13.923 [SPEAKER_00]: Although those wedges, I mean, January speaking you have your drill press that works within that wedge. 40:13.943 --> 40:19.006 [SPEAKER_00]: Generally in the shop there are a lot of things that are essentially just wedged into each other. 40:20.067 --> 40:25.831 [SPEAKER_00]: hammer, like the handle of a hammer, that's right, works with a wedge, your file handle. 40:26.132 --> 40:33.817 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's for whatever reason popular in a shop, but for the power hammer it's 40:35.698 --> 40:38.199 [SPEAKER_00]: It seems like there should be a better solution, right? 40:38.839 --> 40:49.761 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you'd have, if you could figure out like the universal wedge, you know, something that like, I don't know, I'm not in the mood to become one of these nude. 40:50.101 --> 40:57.903 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to be one of these 20, 20, 20, 6 nude ideas, but let's, let's, you know, let's reinvent the wheel, guys. 40:58.103 --> 41:00.304 [SPEAKER_01]: There's too many of these rear reinvent the wheel, guys. 41:00.584 --> 41:01.804 [SPEAKER_01]: I ain't, I ain't got any one of them. 41:02.404 --> 41:03.225 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm glad you're okay. 41:03.425 --> 41:11.453 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that could have been, I mean, you know, they think about all the places that could have gone and, you know, luckily you got in a place where it wasn't, didn't cause major damage. 41:12.034 --> 41:12.654 [SPEAKER_00]: No, totally. 41:12.815 --> 41:14.156 [SPEAKER_00]: And I got the Shrapnel as well. 41:14.196 --> 41:16.098 [SPEAKER_00]: So, I got the trophy for it. 41:16.463 --> 41:17.804 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to put maybe put in a knife? 41:18.724 --> 41:19.204 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm charged. 41:19.384 --> 41:19.804 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm charged. 41:19.824 --> 41:20.465 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying? 41:21.165 --> 41:21.585 [SPEAKER_00]: Who knows? 41:22.585 --> 41:25.046 [SPEAKER_00]: There was this piece of meat still attached to it. 41:25.066 --> 41:26.687 [SPEAKER_00]: That's because it's extra. 41:27.067 --> 41:27.887 [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we could do it. 41:27.907 --> 41:29.628 [SPEAKER_01]: We could do a hybrid handle material. 41:29.648 --> 41:30.709 [SPEAKER_01]: I could get a total vote. 41:30.729 --> 41:32.929 [SPEAKER_01]: I could do a little piece of meat in there. 41:33.510 --> 41:35.650 [SPEAKER_00]: I like a gross. 41:35.670 --> 41:36.171 [SPEAKER_01]: I could do that. 41:36.231 --> 41:36.791 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't worry about that. 41:37.311 --> 41:47.240 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, my daughter's coming home and my sister who passed away a year ago, and I'm actually just got asked to speak at her memorial service. 41:47.260 --> 41:49.442 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to be up on a month of work and on a thing. 41:49.983 --> 41:56.308 [SPEAKER_01]: We had, she gave her her card, my daughter, and we've been storing it for, I've been storing here in the shop. 41:57.189 --> 42:02.434 [SPEAKER_01]: And I went to clean the whole thing out, and my wife and our cleaning it out, and I under the seat I found a joint. 42:03.575 --> 42:08.419 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lighter and, like, a pair of pliers, like a roach clip was my sisters. 42:09.060 --> 42:14.745 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I said, oh, it's just, can my sister smoked a lot of weed, you know, and fine, that was her decision. 42:14.785 --> 42:19.229 [SPEAKER_01]: So, I sent a picture to Lyle and I said, we got to make a sculpture, you know, because she's like, that's my aunt. 42:19.249 --> 42:26.737 [SPEAKER_01]: The only thing is, she's a hot-ed, you know, we got to do some sort of like, you know, memorial thing for all Jenny, but, 42:27.397 --> 42:29.338 [SPEAKER_00]: But how old was she when she died? 42:29.639 --> 42:30.559 [SPEAKER_00]: She was in her 70s. 42:30.959 --> 42:31.980 [SPEAKER_00]: She was like 70s something. 42:32.500 --> 42:40.185 [SPEAKER_01]: That it was like a very, it came, it came, it was, she had pancreatic cancer, it was very, it was caught very, very late. 42:40.285 --> 42:45.008 [SPEAKER_01]: And she really kind of ended up, you know, they said she had two months to live. 42:45.068 --> 42:47.110 [SPEAKER_01]: And they were just, they were almost down to the money. 42:47.290 --> 42:48.791 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's so crazy. 42:48.931 --> 42:51.953 [SPEAKER_00]: I knew when you, when you talked about that, like that. 42:53.349 --> 42:56.391 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy. 42:56.451 --> 42:57.092 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy. 42:57.312 --> 43:01.695 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not going to get down about it, but you know, so I'm so that's the thing. 43:01.715 --> 43:02.376 [SPEAKER_01]: It's nobody else. 43:02.556 --> 43:03.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody always put. 43:03.497 --> 43:05.238 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to speak in my father's funeral. 43:05.258 --> 43:06.419 [SPEAKER_01]: It's probably my grandmother's funeral. 43:06.439 --> 43:09.401 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm like the fucking, you know, MC. 43:09.441 --> 43:11.483 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I'm like the, like, MC of the funeral. 43:11.823 --> 43:14.505 [SPEAKER_01]: I have it to joke that I put the F U N in funeral. 43:15.166 --> 43:17.627 [SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to be telling some jokes to solve it that. 43:17.728 --> 43:18.228 [SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, 43:18.388 --> 43:19.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hilarious. 43:19.869 --> 43:27.714 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very, very weird, but like I end up a funny enough, my uncle Jay died a couple of years ago. 43:28.374 --> 43:31.556 [SPEAKER_01]: And I flew down to his funeral and I was gonna speak. 43:31.576 --> 43:32.777 [SPEAKER_01]: They asked me if I would speak. 43:32.957 --> 43:34.578 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I was this after a vet. 43:35.178 --> 43:36.339 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had the speech down. 43:36.379 --> 43:37.700 [SPEAKER_01]: I wrote this great speech out. 43:38.660 --> 43:41.622 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they were people were getting up to talk about it. 43:42.122 --> 43:45.624 [SPEAKER_01]: And this one friend of his just kept on like, I don't know, he didn't plan anything. 43:45.644 --> 43:46.485 [SPEAKER_01]: And he was just going, 43:47.005 --> 44:11.016 [SPEAKER_01]: on and on and on and it was like he didn't plan anything I was going to tell a couple quick stories and you know I had like this right at written out I was going to be you know the key is is you say something funny sending something pointing it and get the fuck out you don't need to don't give them the magnet card give them a couple good ones a couple good stories and then you know fuck away off I got it down if anybody needs help 44:11.776 --> 44:14.637 [SPEAKER_01]: So, speaking of a moral service, I'm your fucking guy. 44:14.717 --> 44:40.829 [SPEAKER_01]: I've done it enough, and I, you know, so my, my uncle's, you know, we're going to the other thing, and he's got this friend of his, who's like, he's, I don't always, he's pacing around, and he's saying, you want to know about Jason, John, let me tell you about Jason, and it was like he was trying, it was always like he was trying to conjure up something to say, and after about eight minutes, I said, fuck this, and I took my speech, I put it in his daughter, my cousin, his daughter's pocket, and I said, 44:41.549 --> 44:45.910 [SPEAKER_01]: I, you know what, I can't put these people through any more than this guy's starting to. 44:46.150 --> 44:49.751 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't put these, I'm not going to, here's the speech I'm not going to do it and she's why? 44:49.971 --> 44:52.692 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, I cannot put these people through anything more. 44:53.272 --> 44:55.673 [SPEAKER_01]: These bother fuckers have got to deal with this shit. 44:56.253 --> 45:02.515 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't need my horseshit, so I gave her the speech, I've not like, I did it anyway, but I was like, they don't need to be put through any more. 45:02.535 --> 45:03.975 [SPEAKER_00]: No, they don't need to put by anyone. 45:04.075 --> 45:05.276 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's very decent of you. 45:05.916 --> 45:17.005 [SPEAKER_01]: Because, yeah, I don't know, yeah, I was like, they were, my cousin was kind of bummed and I was just like, well, here's the speech, trust me, they've been through enough for the least fucking people, they don't need V2. 45:17.486 --> 45:19.247 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fine. 45:19.387 --> 45:20.268 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, on the week. 45:20.288 --> 45:22.090 [SPEAKER_00]: So what else you got going on this summer? 45:22.110 --> 45:22.530 [SPEAKER_00]: Anything good? 45:22.790 --> 45:23.771 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah. 45:24.191 --> 45:25.272 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know. 45:26.013 --> 45:30.156 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we don't have a vacation plan yet, so we are very spontaneous this year. 45:32.441 --> 45:39.918 [SPEAKER_00]: Other than that, I'm working on knife show Australia knives already, but nothing really big planned. 45:40.099 --> 45:40.560 [SPEAKER_00]: What about you? 45:42.323 --> 45:43.964 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I came back from Japan. 45:44.024 --> 45:47.907 [SPEAKER_01]: You asked me, by the way, you asked me the best question I'd ever been asked. 45:48.307 --> 45:55.751 [SPEAKER_01]: I went to Japan, visit our daughter, and then a couple of weeks later, I went to Spain, and you said, you said the best question, you said, which food is better? 45:55.791 --> 45:56.832 [SPEAKER_01]: Japanese food or Spain? 45:56.852 --> 45:57.032 [SPEAKER_01]: Spain? 45:57.172 --> 45:57.712 [SPEAKER_01]: Spanish food. 45:57.932 --> 46:01.374 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, I fucking, that was a hard, that was a hard one. 46:01.394 --> 46:03.335 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was you on this fight for the party. 46:03.355 --> 46:08.939 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I know you like the Spain food so much, and you talk a lot about the Japanese food, so I'm thinking. 46:09.639 --> 46:10.619 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the toughest. 46:10.639 --> 46:14.420 [SPEAKER_01]: That was probably one of the toughest questions I've ever been asked, which is better. 46:15.100 --> 46:17.261 [SPEAKER_01]: And I hate to say this. 46:17.841 --> 46:20.161 [SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say this, but I think I'm going to go with Spanish food. 46:20.421 --> 46:21.842 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love Japanese food. 46:22.362 --> 46:24.802 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's something about that goddamn Spanish food, man. 46:24.902 --> 46:28.263 [SPEAKER_01]: It is really like, there's something special about it. 46:28.283 --> 46:31.524 [SPEAKER_01]: There's something, it's like explosive. 46:31.824 --> 46:33.804 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Japanese food has moments of subtlety. 46:33.904 --> 46:34.204 [SPEAKER_01]: You know? 46:34.444 --> 46:36.445 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, so she's great, but it's subtle as hell. 46:37.557 --> 46:41.718 [SPEAKER_01]: Spanish food is like eating fucking mouth getting carpet-bombed. 46:41.898 --> 46:58.584 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's like it's intense It's delicious intense flavor, so I but that was think it was a good ask the right question That was it thought I've heard a third you talk about borehaut borehaut right yeah, and you're you're kind of spoiled with the Spanish food because you have to go 47:00.304 --> 47:01.344 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, super spoiled. 47:01.444 --> 47:07.506 [SPEAKER_01]: Every year I go see Borha over Ultramarino's Marine and that dude is like the mad genius. 47:07.646 --> 47:11.067 [SPEAKER_01]: He's really like, I mean, he does this real bass style. 47:11.087 --> 47:11.907 [SPEAKER_01]: It looks amazing. 47:12.107 --> 47:13.547 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's unbelievable. 47:13.607 --> 47:17.528 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm super spoiled, but I'm not, I can't go anywhere else. 47:17.928 --> 47:20.489 [SPEAKER_01]: I just got, I came back and I am slammed. 47:20.509 --> 47:27.431 [SPEAKER_01]: And the best way possible, but from now I'm so Christmas, I am fucking slammed and I'm gonna have to go back to weekends because 47:28.131 --> 47:37.176 [SPEAKER_01]: We just picked up this huge, for me, it's a huge commission job for a lot of steak knives for this club here. 47:37.616 --> 47:38.416 [SPEAKER_01]: We did a lot of them. 47:38.596 --> 47:41.098 [SPEAKER_01]: We did like 30 of them already in the one other 60s. 47:41.158 --> 47:43.359 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's just, it's a lot, you know, it's a lot. 47:43.419 --> 47:47.301 [SPEAKER_01]: And then trying to get ready for Christmas, you know, now's the time to get rid of. 47:47.321 --> 47:52.544 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of work in the back office trying to figure out what we really want to have in stock. 47:52.604 --> 47:52.824 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 47:53.444 --> 48:15.217 [SPEAKER_01]: And then business is good, the biggest problem is is steel, because I said this a little year or two ago, so I was talking to my guys over the New Jersey still bearing and because their steel is coming from, you know, Austria and Sweden and something like that, they're freaking out about like paying the tariffs, so they're certain so I bought a pile of steel last year. 48:16.177 --> 48:23.063 [SPEAKER_01]: because I was afraid of steel scarcity in the States because we don't have, you know, you guys have the best stainless around. 48:23.144 --> 48:25.205 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't know about it. 48:25.326 --> 48:31.531 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know a lot of places that are making the quality of stainless steels, and that's what we mostly use as stainless. 48:32.152 --> 48:34.614 [SPEAKER_01]: So I ended up buying a lot extra last year. 48:36.145 --> 48:44.457 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to make sure I'd be good through this month here, and I was good through the year, but I went through my, you know, I bought a lot of steel and I went through it all. 48:44.517 --> 48:51.387 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm having to, uh, we're having to readjust some steels because they don't want to bring them in because they're waiting for the tariffs to go. 48:51.487 --> 48:57.688 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, is there a chance in November with the midterm elections that all that gets, you know, tumble? 48:57.848 --> 49:04.470 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm thinking, don't fight too much steel now, because maybe those fucking terrors are history in a few months? 49:04.610 --> 49:17.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is the problem, this is the problem, because the problem is it's like, if you look at the distributors, let's just say, and I'm speaking based on my conversations with the New Jersey still bear, and like my IG area is like my 49:18.413 --> 49:31.803 [SPEAKER_01]: I always been working with them and have a very good relationship with them and I really appreciate what they're doing But there are small business too when they're ordering steel from a mill in Sweden or Austria or something like that. 49:32.084 --> 49:33.345 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not ordering two sheets 49:33.865 --> 49:35.386 [SPEAKER_01]: They're ordering pallets. 49:35.666 --> 49:37.448 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's how you would do it, you order pallets. 49:37.868 --> 49:44.753 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you have to pay 50% tariffs on a pallet, and what let's just say, some of the steel might not go like it normally does. 49:44.773 --> 49:50.737 [SPEAKER_01]: Like some of the steel I get, maybe it's good for me, but nobody else, and they don't want to be stuck with those tariffs. 49:50.757 --> 49:54.920 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're just like trying to be creative. 49:54.940 --> 49:57.482 [SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing is they buy a head. 49:57.702 --> 49:59.304 [SPEAKER_01]: They buy a head. 49:59.584 --> 50:00.725 [SPEAKER_01]: So they're not like, you know, 50:01.325 --> 50:04.506 [SPEAKER_01]: they have to plan out, you know, from your months in advance. 50:04.526 --> 50:10.867 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, I'm not 100% sure and if let's just Scott for a bit, you know, let's just say they tariffs go away November. 50:11.248 --> 50:13.788 [SPEAKER_01]: If they already paid the tariffs, it's like they're going to get a refund. 50:13.808 --> 50:14.608 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, I get that. 50:15.068 --> 50:21.190 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what kind of amount of steel would you buy, like in pounds over whatever? 50:22.697 --> 50:47.284 [SPEAKER_01]: It depends on what the I usually when I buy steel like I bought sheets of steel from them Like they told me how many sheets they had and I just bought like you know I don't I'm not gonna go in a numbers but I went I bought a a number of sheets that I would normally use and it was enough sheets Because me a year and then and then when I order steel when I order when I order they they laser they water jet everything So I know how much I'm getting out of each sheet. 50:47.364 --> 50:49.084 [SPEAKER_01]: So when I'm ordering steel from them 50:52.985 --> 51:07.330 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to keep it also very like lean in terms of like I'm not doing a I'll use A, E, B, L, 3, 30 seconds an A, E, B, L, 16th and I'll just stick with that just because I like that. 51:07.390 --> 51:12.612 [SPEAKER_00]: So you ordering sheets, they keep the sheet and then they supply with the cutouts, do I get that? 51:13.432 --> 51:26.191 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, normally what you would do, normally what you would do is you would call them up and say, hey, I need to get, you know, you have my files, I need to get, let's just say, I need to get 100 k tips and then they'll give me a price based on what they had. 51:26.231 --> 51:28.334 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they had steel in stock. 51:29.095 --> 51:38.499 [SPEAKER_01]: So they said to me the time they said that they have I can you know I can just buy some of this you know I can reserve some steel basically Like I pay for some of the steel. 51:38.519 --> 51:39.279 [SPEAKER_01]: This was a couple years ago. 51:39.299 --> 51:47.562 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure I'm going to do it anymore and I basically bought this existing seal that they had to make sure that it didn't get used for somebody else So before it had a time 51:48.242 --> 51:48.663 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean? 51:48.683 --> 51:54.748 [SPEAKER_01]: So it was like existing pre-tariff steel that I just, you know, and that's what a lot of people in the United States are doing. 51:54.768 --> 52:08.240 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that I believe that's what a lot of the big guys are doing, and that was one of the reasons why there was all the steel scarcity, because all these big companies were just like calling up these, you know, big steelplaces and saying, hey, listen, let me buy up all this stuff. 52:08.280 --> 52:11.563 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys who are, they're not going to like, they're not going to fuck around. 52:12.004 --> 52:12.604 [SPEAKER_01]: But we're good. 52:13.605 --> 52:31.756 [SPEAKER_00]: I think what I was originally getting is that you could consider depending on the amount of steel you're buying to import yourself and I don't want to take a business from New Jersey steel Baron but I think they are a retailer and I have nothing against them charging extra for that because they have to live from something as well. 52:31.776 --> 52:36.760 [SPEAKER_00]: They are providing a service and all that but I'm assuming you're buying the kinds of amounts. 52:37.640 --> 52:48.074 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, that you could actually consider, you know, paying for the 50% and still, you know, going out either better or kind of the same, right? 52:48.454 --> 52:52.940 [SPEAKER_01]: So, well, the thing is is because they are so difficult to understand. 52:52.960 --> 52:53.801 [SPEAKER_00]: They send me that. 52:54.720 --> 53:06.207 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I have a, I'm really, you know, the thing is is like, I understand, and I've talked to other people and saying, you know, there's opportunities for, to, to get steal from other places, but I've been working with them for a long time. 53:06.787 --> 53:09.969 [SPEAKER_01]: And when I call them, I can get some of the phone, they know me. 53:10.489 --> 53:16.493 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a long relationship, and there's, there's benefits to being loyal to, you know, like, no, it's true. 53:16.513 --> 53:16.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Really. 53:17.153 --> 53:37.147 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, my prices are not as good as, like, I know, you know, told them where everybody else, you guys over in the EU are getting, like, incredibly inexpensive prices for, you know, steel knives cut out, ground, he traded, and you just need to do a little bit of tune up and then, you know, for, for, like, for peanuts. 53:37.387 --> 53:37.888 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that. 53:38.628 --> 53:48.670 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, just for me at this point, I really, I really have a very good relationship with, with these guys, and I think that there's something to be said about the loyalty, you know what I mean. 53:49.050 --> 53:49.750 [SPEAKER_01]: But it, we're all good. 53:49.770 --> 53:50.451 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's all good. 53:50.731 --> 53:56.912 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that hopefully what happens is, you know, they, they just, I just did a deal with them and it'll keep me through. 53:57.372 --> 54:04.594 [SPEAKER_01]: I have enough, I'm, I'm supposed to get some, uh, knives coming in, hopefully within the next week, and that'll get me through Christmas. 54:04.634 --> 54:05.394 [SPEAKER_00]: Talking about steel. 54:06.054 --> 54:08.438 [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck is wrong with the sky rises in the yoke? 54:11.250 --> 54:13.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm so glad you asked me that. 54:13.390 --> 54:18.371 [SPEAKER_01]: That is, I'm so glad you asked me that I was gonna do a whole thing last week on what I was saying, came home. 54:19.151 --> 54:20.172 [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy story. 54:20.712 --> 54:29.353 [SPEAKER_01]: So I came home and then there, so there was a building on 40 second street turns out, this is a building I used to go into a lot. 54:29.513 --> 54:37.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually when I had John area on in a number of months ago, we, it was Pfizer and that there was a, if you could listen to the John area 54:40.895 --> 55:00.602 [SPEAKER_01]: I told them, he and I worked for a guy who, I ended up doing this job where we were cleaning these crystal sculptures in Pfizer once a week and it was like a stupid, it was stupid, it was like, it was a dumb job at the same time, it was like, you know, it paid, it helped me payed for my shop, you know, and stuff like that. 55:00.622 --> 55:01.402 [SPEAKER_01]: So, it was in that building. 55:01.422 --> 55:07.224 [SPEAKER_01]: So, what happened was, it one thing that's going on in New York right now is I think that 55:10.945 --> 55:15.247 [SPEAKER_01]: New York City Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, more livable. 55:15.447 --> 55:19.928 [SPEAKER_01]: So there's the skyline in New York City's change dramatically. 55:20.429 --> 55:25.250 [SPEAKER_01]: The skyline in Queens and Brooklyn is almost unrecognizable and they're building more residential. 55:25.710 --> 55:31.873 [SPEAKER_01]: So they came up with the idea to turn some commercial buildings into residential buildings. 55:33.073 --> 55:36.194 [SPEAKER_01]: include in not in commercial areas. 55:36.234 --> 55:40.416 [SPEAKER_01]: So like the 40's the where that building was and 40 second street is a commercial area. 55:40.436 --> 55:40.836 [SPEAKER_01]: It's right now. 55:40.916 --> 55:53.381 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a block away from Grand Central and they're converting this old building that was from like 1910 and they're converting it from a commercial building to a residential building and they were going to wait a second. 55:53.462 --> 55:54.322 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just from 1910. 55:56.603 --> 55:57.363 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the original. 56:02.720 --> 56:10.587 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they probably, they probably fixed, I'm not 100% sure exactly what I was, but with the structure of it was like, I thought the idea was a long time ago. 56:10.947 --> 56:12.709 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought the idea was a long time ago. 56:12.769 --> 56:15.211 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no. 56:15.271 --> 56:19.534 [SPEAKER_01]: This was like, see, a lot of these buildings are built for specific reasons. 56:19.554 --> 56:22.977 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not built to be like, they don't, whoever it designs them. 56:23.418 --> 56:24.899 [SPEAKER_01]: I might be wrong about the time. 56:24.919 --> 56:26.480 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm under the impression it was. 56:26.641 --> 56:27.882 [SPEAKER_01]: It's very old building. 56:28.642 --> 56:39.252 [SPEAKER_01]: And they obviously fixed the facade, that's not a big deal, but the bones of it, the structure of it, was meant to be a certain floors and they, you know, engineers came in and something like that. 56:39.272 --> 56:48.020 [SPEAKER_01]: The interesting thing about New York now, and this, it used to be, you could only build work on construction sites in New York City if you were to. 56:48.700 --> 56:49.221 [SPEAKER_01]: a union. 56:49.481 --> 56:50.722 [SPEAKER_01]: Like it was unions. 56:51.742 --> 57:14.340 [SPEAKER_01]: And then if you had non-union labor coming in, you would usually see this giant, flatable rat outside the space and they're picketing and they're calling people scabs and the giant and flatable rat has these disgusting rotten nipples on it and the nipples are meant to represent the ownership and the people who are, you know, so when I was a kid you could never build a building without unions. 57:15.080 --> 57:31.269 [SPEAKER_01]: And then something happened, a lot of it had to do with the fact that, you know, you knew it was expensive, you know, number one, they're very highly safety conscious, like you have to have, like, the union members depending on which union you have, certain, certain safety pit. 57:31.670 --> 57:34.931 [SPEAKER_01]: There's certain safety, uh, certificate certifications. 57:35.392 --> 57:39.554 [SPEAKER_01]: And everything is monitored in terms of what you're rated to do. 57:39.594 --> 57:41.735 [SPEAKER_00]: There's no, there's not a lot of wiggle room. 57:41.815 --> 57:42.376 [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? 57:45.814 --> 57:47.656 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it sounds like Europe, right? 57:47.676 --> 57:48.316 [SPEAKER_01]: No, 100%. 57:48.736 --> 57:59.705 [SPEAKER_01]: And they're, I mean, so I remember when I was in the, actually the metal shop that Lila had to go into, we was going into in the beginning of the story, we were doing a lot of take-work welding. 57:59.725 --> 58:02.968 [SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of, we were doing a lot of stainless steel welding. 58:03.968 --> 58:08.352 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was mostly like, you know, stainless steel tick welding is never structural. 58:08.832 --> 58:20.561 [SPEAKER_01]: It's always, you know, welding a railing together, like connecting to, you know, railings, you know, railings together, or you're doing the façade, you're doing the, you know, like, you know, like, you know, you know, 58:21.742 --> 58:22.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Sheet metal that goes on the floor. 58:22.943 --> 58:27.488 [SPEAKER_01]: They've never hold to anything structure, all right, so the you yeah, it's all bullet. 58:27.508 --> 58:38.317 [SPEAKER_01]: It's all, you know, nuts and stuff So there's no in the ornamental ironworks and the unions they don't they don't have certifications for you know, this kind of cosmetic takework 58:39.078 --> 58:40.360 [SPEAKER_01]: But there's stuff that needs to be done. 58:40.841 --> 58:45.126 [SPEAKER_01]: So they'll have some sort of exemption and they'll be able to have these non union shops coming. 58:45.146 --> 58:52.776 [SPEAKER_01]: So I went in on a construction site and the upper west side, this is 15 years ago or something like that. 58:52.796 --> 58:55.921 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe even longer, maybe even closer to 20 years. 58:56.822 --> 59:16.724 [SPEAKER_01]: And I never worked alongside Union guys and they were pissed they were pissed that I was there And they were pissed and I had a tiny little megg Tig welder that plugged in all of one ten I was tick welding stuff and I heard one guy says how come we couldn't get a guy from the union hall do this and then the The formances there are 59:16.764 --> 59:29.569 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, there are none, there are none, there are none, you know, there's nobody's certain, this is it, and I remember talking to his union guys, and I said to him a little bit, I was like, I just can't believe you've done union people can be on construction sites. 59:30.189 --> 59:36.992 [SPEAKER_01]: And what they said was, this is going to be the future, all these rich developers don't want to pay. 59:37.592 --> 59:38.752 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to pay for, 59:40.273 --> 59:42.874 [SPEAKER_01]: a lot of the, you know, a lot, you know, it's expensive. 59:43.154 --> 59:57.981 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, these, these, and I respect the unions, but at the same time, I mean, sometimes there's a little bit of foolishness, for example, we were on this one, the same job site, and it was a, there was a not enclosed building. 59:58.161 --> 01:00:00.882 [SPEAKER_01]: The building was like, I don't know, 40, you know, 40 stories. 01:00:01.383 --> 01:00:08.066 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was, there was no windows in, it was in the middle of winter, and it was like a real construction site, but it was, you know, 01:00:09.166 --> 01:00:34.417 [SPEAKER_01]: And this one union was like plumbers you know something like that they built like a shack on the 24 and they built this shack for themselves and they put in a bathroom where they plumbed in some pipes and they crimped the pipe so you know you could the water would go to the urinal and then next thing you know it's coming to Christmas so by the shack they put up a Christmas tree. 01:00:35.117 --> 01:00:43.947 [SPEAKER_01]: And then they put up, this is a fucking job site, they put up a Christmas tree, then they put up like stockings. 01:00:44.328 --> 01:00:45.789 [SPEAKER_01]: All the union members names on it. 01:00:46.330 --> 01:00:48.752 [SPEAKER_01]: And they expected people to give them gifts and stuff like that. 01:00:48.793 --> 01:00:52.096 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a guy who was sweeping up, seeing Christmas songs, are we building this building? 01:00:52.116 --> 01:00:52.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Or what? 01:00:53.217 --> 01:01:07.365 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember them saying that the developers now don't want to pay for, you know, this, you know, this union stuff, it's too expensive to build and they're starting to allow, there's more allowing of non union jobs. 01:01:08.527 --> 01:01:12.190 [SPEAKER_00]: But that's interesting to me because over here, we have unions as well. 01:01:12.290 --> 01:01:18.475 [SPEAKER_00]: But things that require certificate wouldn't be union dependent. 01:01:19.036 --> 01:01:21.078 [SPEAKER_00]: But they would be certificate dependent. 01:01:21.198 --> 01:01:28.284 [SPEAKER_00]: And there would be laws that would prohibit you as a non-certified welfare example to do such a job. 01:01:28.324 --> 01:01:30.425 [SPEAKER_00]: And of course, not the welder would get 01:01:31.146 --> 01:01:44.474 [SPEAKER_00]: prosecuted or maybe even him, but the company in the end that doesn't work to code or doesn't work to, you know, lawful requirements, they would get punished to all that wouldn't wouldn't even fly in court, obviously. 01:01:44.574 --> 01:01:55.241 [SPEAKER_00]: So, but I wonder why that is in America that they even allow, you know, people who don't have to proper education because they like the certificates. 01:01:55.501 --> 01:01:56.862 [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm assuming they like the 01:01:58.824 --> 01:02:07.814 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that kind of kills hand in hand, why they will allow people that don't have to certificate to do such essential things. 01:02:07.995 --> 01:02:10.157 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to finish the story. 01:02:10.177 --> 01:02:17.646 [SPEAKER_01]: So what happened was they're building on, they're trying to renovate this commercial building to be used for 01:02:18.507 --> 01:02:40.142 [SPEAKER_01]: residential and they ripped everything out except for obviously the structural stuff and and they were putting on an extra 16 floors or something like that and some worker was walking down and saw that some of the columns which were the upright eye beam the eye beam columns were the the weight bearing load it comes from. 01:02:40.622 --> 01:02:41.643 [SPEAKER_01]: were buckling. 01:02:42.103 --> 01:02:44.445 [SPEAKER_01]: So this floor was buckling. 01:02:44.785 --> 01:02:46.926 [SPEAKER_01]: This IBM was buckling. 01:02:47.487 --> 01:02:49.148 [SPEAKER_01]: All these studs were buckling. 01:02:49.168 --> 01:02:50.629 [SPEAKER_01]: The floor was moving. 01:02:50.989 --> 01:02:53.310 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and it was in a very dramatic fashion. 01:02:53.871 --> 01:02:55.212 [SPEAKER_01]: So somebody blew the whistle. 01:02:55.692 --> 01:02:58.194 [SPEAKER_01]: They called the, you know, brick started falling. 01:02:58.554 --> 01:02:59.775 [SPEAKER_01]: They called the police. 01:02:59.895 --> 01:03:02.897 [SPEAKER_01]: They called the health of the building inspector called the fire department. 01:03:03.517 --> 01:03:04.498 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a big production. 01:03:08.613 --> 01:03:09.774 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a non-union job. 01:03:10.374 --> 01:03:11.714 [SPEAKER_01]: I said, this is a non-union job. 01:03:12.135 --> 01:03:16.817 [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, I mean, without getting too deep into it, it'd be this a union non-union job. 01:03:17.457 --> 01:03:25.441 [SPEAKER_01]: But what's coming to is, I guess some of the contractors had gotten its violations before, which is not abnormal. 01:03:25.801 --> 01:03:33.844 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if you get a, if you, you know, contractors who pay OSHA violations or anything that, it's not like, it's a third of business. 01:03:33.884 --> 01:03:34.725 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a third of business. 01:03:34.785 --> 01:03:35.165 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 01:03:35.265 --> 01:03:37.587 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, contract is always also here in Austria. 01:03:37.607 --> 01:03:41.931 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's not like I mean, that's like, you know, that's not, that's not, that doesn't mean anything. 01:03:41.951 --> 01:03:42.531 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the only thing. 01:03:42.551 --> 01:03:42.751 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:03:43.352 --> 01:03:43.852 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:03:43.952 --> 01:03:45.634 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but it was a, it was strange. 01:03:45.654 --> 01:03:54.381 [SPEAKER_01]: It was scary because all of a sudden, you know, you're seeing this game is building the middle of midtown, the whole, like the whole block area had to be evacuated. 01:03:55.001 --> 01:04:18.902 [SPEAKER_01]: and they had to shore everything up and who's to blame and everyone's saying it's, you know, this is what happens, you know, for the twin-up 20 years, you're starting to see less union jobs, jobs, you're using them, they're going with not skilled, but just not union jobs are a little bit more, there's much more protococard to what's acceptable and what's not acceptable. 01:04:19.422 --> 01:04:36.795 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a feeling that the engineer is at fall here and the building inspector to a certain degree because they're taking a building that was rated for a certain amount of floors and then they're just like, all right, just add more and then I don't know how they wouldn't think that you know this would be a problem. 01:04:36.915 --> 01:04:41.758 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean it's just it's like frankly I don't know if it's a union on you think it seems crazy. 01:04:42.619 --> 01:04:57.434 [SPEAKER_00]: The thing is who knows what they based their math on because maybe they've got plans and maybe there was corruption going on like a hundred years ago and those buildings weren't up to the plant standard from the beginning but I have a question for you 01:04:58.155 --> 01:05:09.828 [SPEAKER_00]: How much would one have to pay you to be one of those five guys who went back in there to inspect the building because I'm thinking I would never That's a good question. 01:05:09.848 --> 01:05:14.533 [SPEAKER_01]: You mean being one of the firefighters are being one of the the dudes to go to one of the 01:05:14.713 --> 01:05:20.717 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the firefighters didn't really know at that point and they have to do to go in and they are kind of heroic guys. 01:05:20.737 --> 01:05:21.938 [SPEAKER_00]: So they are just going in. 01:05:21.978 --> 01:05:26.241 [SPEAKER_00]: But I am thinking about the engineers who know exactly what's going on there. 01:05:26.701 --> 01:05:30.564 [SPEAKER_00]: And they shed their pants driving away from home, going there. 01:05:30.744 --> 01:05:32.725 [SPEAKER_00]: But they have to go in there and expect it. 01:05:32.765 --> 01:05:35.227 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm thinking, well, the guys are shooting their pants. 01:05:35.707 --> 01:05:42.772 [SPEAKER_01]: Are the inspectors who came through before the beams buckled, or the Collins buckled? 01:05:43.372 --> 01:05:47.493 [SPEAKER_01]: those guys and the contractor who's on every newspaper. 01:05:47.553 --> 01:05:50.954 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this was the biggest news of the day in the United States. 01:05:51.554 --> 01:05:54.654 [SPEAKER_01]: So like those dudes, those guys are shooting themselves. 01:05:54.854 --> 01:06:01.496 [SPEAKER_01]: I would think that and I'm not going to pretend like I know, but I think that I would think that an engineer would be like, okay, the building's not going to fall down. 01:06:01.996 --> 01:06:05.717 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, baby, we have a little bit of time before, you know, things get worse. 01:06:05.837 --> 01:06:05.977 [SPEAKER_01]: But 01:06:06.597 --> 01:06:11.602 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were able to get in there and show everything up, but I wonder if you can know. 01:06:11.782 --> 01:06:20.630 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, you're an engineer, probably they know, but I think they established a safety zone, and then they sent five people into inspect the building or something like that, I read. 01:06:20.650 --> 01:06:22.933 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a very shit fuck. 01:06:23.433 --> 01:06:27.516 [SPEAKER_01]: Going up there I mean, yeah, it's crazy. 01:06:27.816 --> 01:06:43.267 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is definitely, I mean, I think that, you know, maybe they know, they I would think that they probably know I thought probably think that they were thinking themselves this looks worse than it is like there's more I don't that's all I can think yeah, I mean it looked terrible. 01:06:43.287 --> 01:06:44.268 [SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking banana 01:06:44.855 --> 01:07:05.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Is there a solution already or yeah, I'm under the impression that they were able to shore up that floor with more steel and then they were able to kind of like, but here's the good thing there there's a ton more there's many more projects in New York that they're doing the same thing to this isn't just this one thing there ultimately it's important you know you got to find more housing for people. 01:07:06.342 --> 01:07:07.902 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that's, that's, that's true. 01:07:07.922 --> 01:07:25.247 [SPEAKER_01]: And also with the new built, this is, hopefully, hopefully, this is like a big, you know, everyone, you know, like Mondami's crack the whip and, you know, now that, because they, I mean, they want, they want, they, if the shit happens like this is like, right at their alley and they go right after the developers who are, who are scumbags too. 01:07:25.627 --> 01:07:32.589 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is up right up his alley, I mean, he wants to go out back after these, you know, you know, these corner cutting fat cats. 01:07:32.729 --> 01:07:33.029 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 01:07:33.649 --> 01:07:37.713 [SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's, you know, everybody's pumped for this guy to go either way. 01:07:37.833 --> 01:07:40.235 [SPEAKER_00]: So, so, but I have another question, why? 01:07:41.577 --> 01:07:44.339 [SPEAKER_00]: Who is moving into the fucking building because I wouldn't? 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:45.300 [SPEAKER_01]: Me, I would. 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:45.700 [SPEAKER_01]: 100%. 01:07:45.780 --> 01:07:48.363 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is like, this will be the safest building in New York. 01:07:49.018 --> 01:07:51.819 [SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna, they're gonna, it is scrutiny on the street in building. 01:07:52.379 --> 01:07:53.500 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, interesting logic. 01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:54.500 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay. 01:07:54.620 --> 01:07:58.322 [SPEAKER_01]: The scrutiny is gonna be, I mean, this is this, and then you know what I'm gonna tell people. 01:07:58.342 --> 01:08:01.103 [SPEAKER_01]: Remember that building was fell down, yeah, I moved down to that floor. 01:08:01.603 --> 01:08:08.246 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one, I would actually go to the, the realtor and say, I want the floor or the, with a buckle-like beams. 01:08:08.286 --> 01:08:09.627 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the, for a good price. 01:08:09.967 --> 01:08:14.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's the apartment I want, I want the apartment, what was the apartment that's gonna have where the beams buckle? 01:08:14.249 --> 01:08:15.029 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the one I want. 01:08:15.229 --> 01:08:16.490 [SPEAKER_00]: He will pay you to move in. 01:08:16.770 --> 01:08:17.030 [SPEAKER_00]: Dude. 01:08:17.410 --> 01:08:26.116 [SPEAKER_01]: When my wife and I, my wife and I, when Hillary was pregnant and the daughter daughter was on the way, we had to move based on where we could afford. 01:08:26.536 --> 01:08:28.617 [SPEAKER_01]: We could not afford to buy a place. 01:08:29.178 --> 01:08:32.540 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, when you, when you say buy, you're not really buying it. 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:42.346 [SPEAKER_01]: Like we still, you're, you know, you get a mortgage and then the bank or somebody takes out a note and then you're paying the note paying the mortgage until it's all paid up. 01:08:42.726 --> 01:08:51.108 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we bought a house in, you know, when it says buying a house, we got a loan from the bank and we're paying it off. 01:08:51.128 --> 01:08:54.949 [SPEAKER_01]: We got another, another probably about 10 years to finish paying it off. 01:08:54.969 --> 01:09:00.231 [SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't actually buy it, but what we didn't want to do is we didn't want to be in a rental situation. 01:09:00.251 --> 01:09:01.191 [SPEAKER_01]: We wanted to have a equity. 01:09:02.011 --> 01:09:07.295 [SPEAKER_01]: So, but the thing is we did have enough money to buy where we live, so we kind of kept moving north and north and north. 01:09:08.316 --> 01:09:10.198 [SPEAKER_01]: We found this place that we're at this town that we're in. 01:09:10.778 --> 01:09:17.844 [SPEAKER_01]: It's right next to this town that has in the Indian Point Nuclear Facility. 01:09:18.104 --> 01:09:19.385 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like the big story. 01:09:19.405 --> 01:09:20.446 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like this nuclear facility. 01:09:20.946 --> 01:09:23.568 [SPEAKER_01]: So, everyone was like, why would you want to move to? 01:09:23.708 --> 01:09:25.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Why would you want to move there in the Indian Point? 01:09:25.990 --> 01:09:28.192 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we're probably like our houses. 01:09:28.955 --> 01:09:39.257 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're, I would say we're, we're probably four, five, we're probably about under 10 miles from the facility, under 10, somebody said to us. 01:09:39.657 --> 01:09:42.678 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's saying, well, I mean, that's what we get a four-diss area, right? 01:09:42.938 --> 01:09:43.118 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:09:43.478 --> 01:09:52.980 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember my wife and I and I was like, how the house is good, the price is right, how do you feel about being so close to the nuclear facility and in Hillary's surgery means you'll listen. 01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:56.641 [SPEAKER_01]: If something goes wrong, we don't want to be lingering, 01:09:57.741 --> 01:10:09.710 [SPEAKER_01]: like we want to go out like a light switch and that's what you don't I mean the nuclear facilities going to go up and then the people down in Manhattan are going to be wandering around suffering. 01:10:10.270 --> 01:10:11.732 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to we want to go out like a light. 01:10:12.603 --> 01:10:19.849 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's the answer to that, so like I'm going straight for give me the room give me that room with that the fucking bent ass column. 01:10:19.869 --> 01:10:20.610 [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one I want. 01:10:20.690 --> 01:10:21.590 [SPEAKER_00]: At least you won't feel it. 01:10:22.151 --> 01:10:24.853 [SPEAKER_01]: You'll feel it. 01:10:25.454 --> 01:10:33.260 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be the safest building in Manhattan because because the the scrutiny now is like ridiculous. 01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:43.604 [SPEAKER_00]: That actually makes sense, but I think it's bad publicity and I wouldn't be shocked if, you know, if they had or will have problems to get rid of those apartments. 01:10:45.484 --> 01:10:46.144 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so. 01:10:46.204 --> 01:10:50.446 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think that I don't think you're going to have any problems getting rid of the apartments. 01:10:50.466 --> 01:10:52.747 [SPEAKER_01]: This is just like one of the nicest neighborhoods in New York. 01:11:02.410 --> 01:11:07.772 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not a very good area to live in because there's not a lot of stuff to do in the 40-second street area. 01:11:08.372 --> 01:11:08.773 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:11:09.033 --> 01:11:12.954 [SPEAKER_01]: But you're like right next to the subway and there's, I mean, you could walk anywhere. 01:11:13.615 --> 01:11:21.998 [SPEAKER_01]: It's essentially located if you work in New York City, it's an awesome place to, it's an awesome place to live in terms of just like getting around. 01:11:22.618 --> 01:11:36.594 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I don't know, I think that ultimately it's good because I think anything to make these, you know, keep, you know, keep everybody straightening up and, you know, trying to prevent something like this from happening. 01:11:36.614 --> 01:11:37.595 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's ultimately good. 01:11:38.140 --> 01:11:42.443 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, of course, they weren't dating to ignore that anyways. 01:11:42.984 --> 01:11:43.324 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 01:11:43.604 --> 01:11:46.507 [SPEAKER_01]: I had something weird happened to me and I wanted to talk to you about see what you think. 01:11:46.707 --> 01:11:46.927 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:11:47.487 --> 01:11:50.049 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we talk about AI, we talk about technology and something good. 01:11:50.089 --> 01:11:54.953 [SPEAKER_01]: This is this is a strange surveillance story that happened to me in my life. 01:11:55.013 --> 01:11:55.413 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, shit. 01:11:55.453 --> 01:12:06.142 [SPEAKER_01]: When I was in Barcelona, Hillary had shoes taken care of the dogs, the dogs are getting older and you've got to walk them because they need to, you know, and you're the bathroom before we go to bed. 01:12:06.782 --> 01:12:11.464 [SPEAKER_01]: They can be a little bit tricky for my wife because one of them is big but old. 01:12:11.744 --> 01:12:14.025 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not like too little Yorkies. 01:12:14.666 --> 01:12:22.649 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's not a production of walk there, but it's not like, for me, it's not such a big deal, but they're getting old and personicadines. 01:12:23.469 --> 01:12:33.214 [SPEAKER_01]: So she's taking care of the dogs while I'm in Barcelona and I come back and where I came the next morning, we're next afternoon, we're walking the dogs and we're walking 01:12:36.135 --> 01:12:43.777 [SPEAKER_01]: And this guy comes out and he says, were you, were you the one walking the dogs last night? 01:12:44.477 --> 01:12:48.399 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a Monday night, or Tuesday, we're walking on Sunday. 01:12:48.999 --> 01:12:51.880 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking at him like, I don't know what he was hearing. 01:12:51.960 --> 01:12:55.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, your wife was, your wife was walking the dogs on Sunday. 01:12:56.981 --> 01:12:59.322 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, okay, she's like, he's, do me a favor. 01:13:01.246 --> 01:13:10.352 [SPEAKER_01]: I saw that she had, and my wife was right there, he's talking to me and say, I saw, you're the one with the tattoo, so I know you're the one with the tattoos, I'm just like, I'm just like, I'm just like, where was this going? 01:13:10.512 --> 01:13:11.332 [SPEAKER_01]: Where the fuck is this going? 01:13:12.093 --> 01:13:18.557 [SPEAKER_01]: So he says, you know, I saw that she took the dog waste and put it into my garbage can. 01:13:18.937 --> 01:13:22.399 [SPEAKER_01]: So the garbage goes out, it gets picked up Monday morning. 01:13:22.419 --> 01:13:25.281 [SPEAKER_01]: So people, you know, put the garbage out Sunday night. 01:13:25.742 --> 01:13:26.002 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 01:13:26.142 --> 01:13:27.383 [SPEAKER_01]: And there's a garbage can with the lid. 01:13:28.263 --> 01:13:43.473 [SPEAKER_01]: So he saw all of a sudden I realized, okay, so Hillary was walking the dogs the dogs took a shit She picked it up in the garbage bag in the little three-of-dog bags tied it up and there was a garbage can Getting her to picked up and she dropped it in the garbage can Makes it cool 01:13:45.101 --> 01:13:47.784 [SPEAKER_00]: But do you think she's a criminal for that I'm assuming? 01:13:48.084 --> 01:13:49.225 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, get ready. 01:13:49.405 --> 01:13:49.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Get ready. 01:13:49.845 --> 01:13:53.128 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just like, OK, I'm like, OK, I kind of understand. 01:13:53.148 --> 01:13:58.954 [SPEAKER_01]: He's like, well, I saw that she put the garbage, the dog garbage in my garbage. 01:14:00.155 --> 01:14:01.716 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't want you to do that anymore. 01:14:02.597 --> 01:14:09.764 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, OK, he's just because the garbage men wouldn't take the garbage because of the dog, the dog refuse. 01:14:10.274 --> 01:14:11.194 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, all right, well, I'm sorry. 01:14:11.214 --> 01:14:13.536 [SPEAKER_01]: I said my wife is like curling your nose up. 01:14:13.556 --> 01:14:14.936 [SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't know what that's going on on all of a sudden. 01:14:14.976 --> 01:14:21.719 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm just like in jet lagged and I'm also in I'm not in comfort. 01:14:21.799 --> 01:14:22.520 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't comfort. 01:14:22.580 --> 01:14:23.880 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't do confrontations that I need. 01:14:23.900 --> 01:14:24.140 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 01:14:24.500 --> 01:14:26.321 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm just I can't it'll make me. 01:14:26.341 --> 01:14:27.942 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't pay off especially the neighbors. 01:14:28.162 --> 01:14:36.568 [SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't I don't want to fucking I'm not going to I don't know what he's talking about But I said I'm really sorry about that don't worry about will not we won't do it again Glad you you thanks for telling us won't do it again. 01:14:37.109 --> 01:14:45.615 [SPEAKER_01]: I got what he was you didn't want to put you don't want me to put my Wrap-up bag so the bag is tied up something like I'm just dropping a goose in the garbage can you know 01:14:46.335 --> 01:14:51.236 [SPEAKER_01]: picking up the dog shit, tying the bag up, dropping the thing, garbage going out anyway, what's the big deal. 01:14:51.756 --> 01:14:59.858 [SPEAKER_01]: I say, God, what you're saying, I'm truly sorry it's happening, he goes, and he pointed to this, he's got this pole outside of his house with this huge surveillance camera. 01:15:00.318 --> 01:15:02.999 [SPEAKER_01]: He says, this is the reason why I have this surveillance cameras. 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.639 [SPEAKER_01]: Just put a dog poop, pointed it. 01:15:05.659 --> 01:15:11.201 [SPEAKER_01]: In my mind, I'm thinking, all right, just, I said, I really sorry won't happen again, and we walked away, 01:15:14.548 --> 01:15:16.670 [SPEAKER_01]: And she says, don't say it on the word. 01:15:16.690 --> 01:15:18.572 [SPEAKER_01]: This is obviously a very paranoid person. 01:15:18.852 --> 01:15:21.074 [SPEAKER_01]: She's like, she's the ideal of paranoid people at the time. 01:15:21.755 --> 01:15:27.500 [SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know what happened, but this dude was like looking through his, I mean, first of all, is total bullshit. 01:15:27.540 --> 01:15:30.783 [SPEAKER_01]: The garbage man, I throw it so many bags of dog shit. 01:15:31.103 --> 01:15:32.845 [SPEAKER_01]: They always, of course, men write us, you know. 01:15:33.245 --> 01:15:38.989 [SPEAKER_01]: They don't go sift through the garbage can to see what they're going to take when they dump the garbage can. 01:15:39.309 --> 01:15:39.910 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the end of it. 01:15:40.390 --> 01:15:46.274 [SPEAKER_01]: This motherfucker sifted through his security footage to find now. 01:15:46.354 --> 01:15:48.396 [SPEAKER_01]: So what happened was it was Sunday night was raining. 01:15:48.876 --> 01:15:51.058 [SPEAKER_01]: My wife was struggling to get the dogs back. 01:15:51.498 --> 01:15:52.519 [SPEAKER_01]: They didn't like the rain. 01:15:52.559 --> 01:15:54.660 [SPEAKER_01]: They're one one to go one way, one more to go the other way. 01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:55.400 [SPEAKER_01]: She got in a brawl. 01:15:55.420 --> 01:15:56.661 [SPEAKER_01]: The umbrella's going all over the place. 01:15:57.061 --> 01:15:58.061 [SPEAKER_01]: And one takes a shit. 01:15:58.381 --> 01:16:03.364 [SPEAKER_01]: She grabs in the bag, ties it up, puts in the thing, and then she's just struggles to get on what she didn't think that much of it. 01:16:06.265 --> 01:16:09.347 [SPEAKER_01]: When he said, this is why we have surveillance. 01:16:09.387 --> 01:16:11.508 [SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, don't engage. 01:16:12.568 --> 01:16:13.069 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't engage. 01:16:13.589 --> 01:16:15.330 [SPEAKER_00]: This is not why you have surveillance. 01:16:15.390 --> 01:16:15.550 [SPEAKER_01]: No. 01:16:16.230 --> 01:16:19.272 [SPEAKER_01]: You just did all you had to do, and I said to Hillary, I was just like, 01:16:20.182 --> 01:16:20.903 [SPEAKER_01]: God bless him. 01:16:21.543 --> 01:16:22.784 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not walking past his house. 01:16:22.824 --> 01:16:25.186 [SPEAKER_01]: Number one is our dog root just change. 01:16:25.286 --> 01:16:27.368 [SPEAKER_01]: I will never walk past his guy's house again. 01:16:27.768 --> 01:16:29.049 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't want to be involved. 01:16:29.069 --> 01:16:29.650 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see it. 01:16:29.670 --> 01:16:30.210 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to know. 01:16:30.250 --> 01:16:31.671 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to, I want anything to do it. 01:16:31.711 --> 01:16:35.474 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because this motherfucker is going through his 01:16:36.515 --> 01:16:57.672 [SPEAKER_00]: surveillance camera on the street for I don't know any little infraction somebody does you know as soon as he confronts you for a little shit in his you know garbage can that he's looking for the problem he's searching for it it's one thing to have surveillance for you know burglars or people breaking into your house just as a security measure 01:16:58.653 --> 01:17:05.675 [SPEAKER_00]: That's fine, but, I mean, as soon as you come from some one for death, I'm thinking you are looking for trouble. 01:17:06.315 --> 01:17:11.157 [SPEAKER_01]: And, well, I will say, I will say one thing I just had a caveat, he was very polite. 01:17:11.957 --> 01:17:14.978 [SPEAKER_01]: And I met him with politeness too. 01:17:15.138 --> 01:17:15.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he wasn't beat. 01:17:16.178 --> 01:17:20.240 [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was kind of sheepish about it frankly, because it is a fucking petty thing to do. 01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:22.040 [SPEAKER_01]: They took his garbage. 01:17:22.080 --> 01:17:22.700 [SPEAKER_01]: It could not take. 01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:24.121 [SPEAKER_00]: Could they even take it? 01:17:24.161 --> 01:17:25.981 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm thinking where else to put it? 01:17:26.101 --> 01:17:27.302 [SPEAKER_00]: No, other than the garbage. 01:17:28.102 --> 01:17:29.203 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no. 01:17:29.223 --> 01:17:29.523 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. 01:17:29.563 --> 01:17:29.864 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course. 01:17:29.944 --> 01:17:30.724 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, of course. 01:17:30.944 --> 01:17:32.245 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking maybe in America. 01:17:32.345 --> 01:17:43.034 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were in New York or something, you know, this is something that a lot of weak people do is that they find somebody else to blame. 01:17:43.214 --> 01:17:53.482 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been down the road with people that I know and when they give me a reason why they don't do something or the reason why they do do something, they're very quick to say oh, it wasn't, you know, it's because of the garbage. 01:17:53.542 --> 01:17:54.042 [SPEAKER_01]: No, okay. 01:17:55.163 --> 01:17:55.804 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bullshit. 01:17:55.864 --> 01:18:00.892 [SPEAKER_01]: Like if anyone gives you, you know, gives puts blame or you're, I'm only complaining. 01:18:00.932 --> 01:18:04.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm only telling you this because this other person was involved. 01:18:05.078 --> 01:18:07.321 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, that's, that's, you immediately know all right. 01:18:07.561 --> 01:18:09.685 [SPEAKER_01]: This is not a normal, this is not a rational person. 01:18:10.125 --> 01:18:15.806 [SPEAKER_01]: If you just said to me, hey, do me a favor if you don't mind, don't put your dog shit in my garbage canner to be like, no problem. 01:18:16.186 --> 01:18:19.727 [SPEAKER_01]: And even in the way we did it, I said the same thing, no problem, never happening again. 01:18:20.167 --> 01:18:23.827 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time for the last week, I was just like, you know, this is what the fucker with this surveillance camera. 01:18:24.247 --> 01:18:28.628 [SPEAKER_01]: He's got enough time in his hands to try to find who's putting what? 01:18:29.068 --> 01:18:32.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Once a week, you know, just happens to put some dog shit in there. 01:18:32.869 --> 01:18:38.950 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not doing, if it's some sun down, put my guard, I'm putting my dog shit back and someone's garbage canner 01:18:40.350 --> 01:18:41.070 [SPEAKER_01]: Never not do it. 01:18:41.090 --> 01:18:49.833 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean then first thing is not looking for the problem in false polite then at least he's bored and you don't know what Right exactly. 01:18:49.853 --> 01:18:50.994 [SPEAKER_01]: No, he was very polite. 01:18:51.294 --> 01:19:07.419 [SPEAKER_01]: He was very polite and I was very polite and and I met him with the same energy He met with me and even if he gave if even if he wasn't polite I still be polite because I don't feel as though this is something to you know have to have bad 01:19:09.460 --> 01:19:12.601 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd never read this guy before my life, you know, but at the same time. 01:19:12.621 --> 01:19:21.183 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe he knows someone you know and passed his house in the neighborhood, and I don't know if he knows if you people, he's neighbors to some people that I know. 01:19:21.603 --> 01:19:27.804 [SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, it was the most like, you know, the biggest problem in our town is people don't pick up their dog shit. 01:19:28.304 --> 01:19:34.466 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I go out of my way to pick up my own dog, my own dog shit, because it's like, you don't want to walk down this. 01:19:34.486 --> 01:19:37.247 [SPEAKER_01]: If you were in sandals, you got a kid playing on the ground, 01:19:39.727 --> 01:19:43.150 [SPEAKER_01]: This guy should have been a little bit more like Don't let it all delete. 01:19:43.350 --> 01:19:44.311 [SPEAKER_01]: I am a fan. 01:19:44.371 --> 01:19:48.894 [SPEAKER_00]: It's just leave alone I don't understand when you buy a dog in a city. 01:19:49.094 --> 01:19:54.658 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean maybe you know Ben's Nour or someone like like that with a big property property 01:19:55.498 --> 01:20:03.464 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't need to pick up dog shit obviously because there's cow shit right next to it probably But no way he's never picked up dog shit. 01:20:03.484 --> 01:20:11.589 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like if I even mentioned and that's fine But if you buy a dog in a city, I'm thinking how how can you not pick up the fucking dog shit? 01:20:11.689 --> 01:20:20.435 [SPEAKER_00]: Because I personally wouldn't get a dog for that reason to be honest because I don't like shit at all I hate it 01:20:23.197 --> 01:20:24.839 [SPEAKER_00]: It would be too much work for me. 01:20:24.919 --> 01:20:29.163 [SPEAKER_00]: I just wouldn't be, you know, I did it for my kids and that's enough. 01:20:31.945 --> 01:20:41.215 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is, for me, is like, I hate, I've been getting a lot of messages in regards to the surveillance state, the governments are using them. 01:20:41.796 --> 01:20:49.985 [SPEAKER_01]: People are using a lot of AI cameras for giving tickets and that kind of government surveillance is becoming a big thing. 01:20:50.005 --> 01:20:52.588 [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's big and stuff like that. 01:20:54.120 --> 01:20:55.301 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't like it. 01:20:55.721 --> 01:21:01.843 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never been like a conspiracy theory guy where I'm, you know, because I have an easy past that's the thing you put in your car. 01:21:02.184 --> 01:21:04.785 [SPEAKER_01]: When you pay the it pays the whole automatically. 01:21:04.805 --> 01:21:08.246 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't get all, I don't get all horned up that they know where I'm going. 01:21:08.486 --> 01:21:11.908 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not doing anything that I'd be worried about, you know, so what do I care? 01:21:12.748 --> 01:21:13.969 [SPEAKER_01]: But I just wonder why, 01:21:16.195 --> 01:21:39.151 [SPEAKER_01]: my own neighbors and civilians are now going to be in like the surveillance state, you know, it's just like, this is how you, I could tell that he was proud that he found, he found the, he, and he was interrogated in this situation, like he, he knew, I think what happened, who's the what I think would happen, I think that what happened was my wife was in a stress, 01:21:39.691 --> 01:21:44.416 [SPEAKER_01]: She put the dog shit in the bottom of the bag in the bottom of the can. 01:21:44.796 --> 01:21:49.200 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it just squeezed through a few cracks. 01:21:49.220 --> 01:21:51.142 [SPEAKER_01]: Because you don't put straight garbage in the garbage. 01:21:51.162 --> 01:21:52.102 [SPEAKER_01]: It could have been in bags. 01:21:52.523 --> 01:21:57.668 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think you kind of pinballed down into the bottom. 01:21:58.088 --> 01:22:01.531 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think when they flipped it over, I think maybe that just didn't go down. 01:22:01.791 --> 01:22:02.932 [SPEAKER_01]: Go into the truck. 01:22:03.213 --> 01:22:04.494 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like maybe that's the state. 01:22:05.474 --> 01:22:31.089 [SPEAKER_00]: So he was just trying to find who put the dark shit in my way and then he, I think he was very proud My theory is that he spent $1,000 for his security camera and then was finally searching for an opportunity to use it That's why he looked at all the footage So he was seeing squirrels, he was seeing cars go by, he was seeing the cat and he was seeing your wife 01:22:32.089 --> 01:22:33.490 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right. 01:22:33.570 --> 01:22:34.290 [SPEAKER_00]: He was paying. 01:22:34.330 --> 01:22:58.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think that I think it was like I think it was he was it was too much way too much energy spent and even when he's kind of approached me about it You could tell that he was planning on it for a while and I don't know how he noticed so we're outside I don't know if he was I don't know he was he seemed like he was pretending to do some yard work and just kind of like seeing if he could be outside when we're walking our dogs 01:22:59.160 --> 01:23:03.703 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just seemed like a lot of energy and he probably didn't get the result that he wanted. 01:23:03.783 --> 01:23:08.025 [SPEAKER_01]: He probably wanted an argument and I said, I'm really sorry, I won't do it again. 01:23:08.466 --> 01:23:18.592 [SPEAKER_01]: Now he could have done the same thing by just saying, hey, just please if you don't mind, I appreciate if you didn't put the dog shit in the, you know, for some reason it didn't, it doesn't go and I just don't want that. 01:23:18.692 --> 01:23:23.735 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would have been like fine, but I mean, Guy spent his spent a lot of time. 01:23:24.415 --> 01:23:26.336 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, I feel like it's just the beginning. 01:23:26.356 --> 01:23:36.983 [SPEAKER_01]: I know that a lot of people have ring door cameras and I hate those, I won't get one, I don't want to, I was talking to Alice and it works for me and it was just saying that it was like, you have a ring door bell, she goes, no, I don't want to know what's going on outside. 01:23:37.403 --> 01:23:42.907 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't want to have to, like if something happens, I don't want to find the evidence. 01:23:42.947 --> 01:23:44.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not interested at all. 01:23:44.888 --> 01:23:49.131 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm the same way, you know, but it's like a string. 01:23:49.491 --> 01:23:53.013 [SPEAKER_01]: We're in this weird strange, it's the funny thing is, 01:23:54.248 --> 01:24:02.330 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, we talk about like technology, and we talk about surveillance, and we talk about all this stuff that's like big brother and all that. 01:24:02.530 --> 01:24:08.631 [SPEAKER_01]: It's less, it's less the government in more our neighbors and people in our area. 01:24:09.111 --> 01:24:12.912 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, Karen's are like, our people. 01:24:13.032 --> 01:24:18.133 [SPEAKER_01]: They're not like, all these problems that we don't we're scared about, the big brother stuff. 01:24:18.153 --> 01:24:19.293 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hundreds of people. 01:24:19.373 --> 01:24:23.014 [SPEAKER_00]: And I think government couldn't do it if there weren't a lot of people behind it. 01:24:25.429 --> 01:24:26.290 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, right. 01:24:27.010 --> 01:24:36.597 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the Trojan horse for like the, we complain about the big government, I don't know what the government's stepping in meanwhile, you know, it's like, it's like a joke to ourselves. 01:24:36.998 --> 01:24:39.159 [SPEAKER_01]: And everybody's riding on each other. 01:24:39.519 --> 01:24:50.808 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the worst part, it's like, I said my wife, when Lilo's got off the plane in Los Angeles, we had made the joke that her time in Tokyo, I was calling in her, you know, it was like she was serving time. 01:24:50.848 --> 01:24:53.730 [SPEAKER_01]: She's a huge soprano's fan, she loved the gangster stuff. 01:24:54.210 --> 01:25:00.974 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just wrote to her and I said, you did your time, you did your time like a adult. 01:25:01.594 --> 01:25:04.455 [SPEAKER_01]: Prattie, you didn't squeal, you didn't rat. 01:25:04.615 --> 01:25:09.818 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like when Bob Robertson here was saying, you did your time like a man, it was like that. 01:25:09.858 --> 01:25:13.180 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was very funny because I was like, you didn't rat, you're like, what do you mean rat? 01:25:13.260 --> 01:25:15.581 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, thanks, you don't keep your mouth shut. 01:25:15.661 --> 01:25:17.222 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean keep your mouth shut. 01:25:17.322 --> 01:25:19.903 [SPEAKER_00]: That must have been exciting for her as well. 01:25:20.644 --> 01:25:23.265 [SPEAKER_00]: Being so far away and it was a different culture. 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:30.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, she, you know, I talked to her a little bit and she's, we're gonna pick her up on a couple days and we're really excited. 01:25:31.664 --> 01:25:33.545 [SPEAKER_01]: She had a great time. 01:25:34.446 --> 01:25:36.347 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things that she loved. 01:25:36.467 --> 01:25:42.633 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm gonna have her back on and we'll kind of recap the whole story, but she was really glad to come home because, like, 01:25:43.473 --> 01:25:45.233 [SPEAKER_01]: She couldn't get any good pizza. 01:25:45.753 --> 01:25:52.735 [SPEAKER_01]: She said to me, she said, the hardest part was like, the communication was like, you're constantly wondering, am I being clear? 01:25:53.455 --> 01:25:58.236 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is this, you have to prepare yourself to communicate. 01:25:58.436 --> 01:26:08.538 [SPEAKER_01]: She's been studying Japanese for three years, but there's like a lot of like, you have to really, you can't just talk, she's so, she has to kind of prepare herself almost when she's, 01:26:09.038 --> 01:26:09.978 [SPEAKER_00]: dealing with the same. 01:26:10.018 --> 01:26:11.759 [SPEAKER_00]: Me make chesturing and all that. 01:26:11.859 --> 01:26:13.099 [SPEAKER_00]: It plays into as well. 01:26:13.259 --> 01:26:14.740 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming he's like in every culture. 01:26:16.400 --> 01:26:17.140 [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot. 01:26:17.181 --> 01:26:17.761 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot. 01:26:17.841 --> 01:26:21.442 [SPEAKER_01]: It was, she's like, it's a lot more than just, you know, being fluent in the language. 01:26:21.462 --> 01:26:23.742 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just, it was tiring. 01:26:23.923 --> 01:26:24.583 [SPEAKER_01]: It was exhausting. 01:26:24.623 --> 01:26:27.864 [SPEAKER_01]: And then there are expectations in there, scrutiny, and stuff like that. 01:26:27.884 --> 01:26:30.765 [SPEAKER_01]: But as she had a great time it, I know that she's glad to be home. 01:26:30.845 --> 01:26:31.785 [SPEAKER_01]: She's so, uh, 01:26:32.546 --> 01:26:39.014 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm really pretty proud of her and I you know what I'm really excited for you because you know Your son your oldest son's 10. 01:26:39.695 --> 01:26:50.468 [SPEAKER_01]: It just gets better dude It gets better when they become a when they become older and they have opinions of their own and they have thoughts and they have They'm gonna make decisions and they're it's 01:26:50.768 --> 01:27:18.741 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's challenging and it's bigger problems as well as once problems occur but other than that I'm I'm more suitable for older children than like babies and toddlers as well and also I mean to be honest maybe I'm very playful or a big child but I enjoy you know going swimming with them going on a bicycle ride playing ball with them that's fun for me as well and I wouldn't necessarily 01:27:20.824 --> 01:27:24.375 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, being like an old man. 01:27:27.453 --> 01:27:41.363 [SPEAKER_01]: But no, dude, but when they, I'm telling you, in eight years or in 10 years, it's going to be a different relationship, but you're still going to be able to do the same stuff, but you're also going to have the perspective of someone who actually has an opinion. 01:27:41.944 --> 01:27:43.245 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's the best part. 01:27:43.265 --> 01:27:50.310 [SPEAKER_01]: Like to me, I love speaking, I've always felt like I hate it when parents do baby talk to their children. 01:27:57.295 --> 01:28:01.456 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel I hated that I always talked to Lila like I would talk to anybody else. 01:28:01.476 --> 01:28:08.358 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't like dumb shit down I talked to her like and I hated she had a third grade teacher who talked to me talking like why are you doing that? 01:28:08.598 --> 01:28:09.519 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not a fucking baby. 01:28:09.559 --> 01:28:21.262 [SPEAKER_01]: You talked to her like she's a person it a lot of like that because it felt like I was respecting her Yeah, no, that's true talking to the three of us and Yeah, but at the same time 01:28:22.850 --> 01:28:29.314 [SPEAKER_01]: It's become, it's so much fun talking to her as an adult. 01:28:29.434 --> 01:28:31.175 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's 21 now, I don't even have a drink together. 01:28:31.675 --> 01:28:34.497 [SPEAKER_01]: And she's, she's got things to say, she's interesting. 01:28:34.717 --> 01:28:42.001 [SPEAKER_01]: But she also has the perspective of seeing what it was like in our family when she was a little kid. 01:28:42.942 --> 01:28:44.763 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's just, everything about it's great. 01:28:44.803 --> 01:28:45.503 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's great. 01:28:45.764 --> 01:28:50.246 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really, I'm, all my friends who have young children, I just keep saying to them, like, it's just going to get better. 01:28:50.927 --> 01:28:51.567 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to get better. 01:28:55.457 --> 01:28:58.559 [SPEAKER_00]: And of similar, you know, how do you say it? 01:28:58.599 --> 01:29:06.563 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, we noticed the similar thing already with our older boy a few years ago, when he understood our sarcasm. 01:29:06.623 --> 01:29:09.344 [SPEAKER_00]: So my wife and I are very sarcastic. 01:29:09.584 --> 01:29:12.446 [SPEAKER_00]: And we, you know, read a dry sometimes at home. 01:29:13.586 --> 01:29:32.854 [SPEAKER_00]: Said something funny and looked at us and we were kidding or or like how the geek giggling Yeah, and and and we looked at him and he was sitting there with big guys totally understanding the joke and giggling himself That's great and that was kind of astonishing that he understood that already and that was it was it was 01:29:33.654 --> 01:29:49.802 [SPEAKER_01]: funny to you know discover his humor yes he's he's a funny guy so that's the best I think that there's I think that there's some parents who just lecture their kids all the time and as opposed to kind of appreciate the person they're growing into and it's just like 01:29:50.922 --> 01:30:01.386 [SPEAKER_01]: I think parenthood is that without question, the biggest honor I've ever had in my life, it's been, you know, it's been so much fun, it the whole experience has been fun. 01:30:01.546 --> 01:30:08.608 [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't expect, I didn't expect when my daughter became, you know, she'd be a senior in college now and then she'll be on her own. 01:30:09.328 --> 01:30:13.490 [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't expect to enjoy parenting this part. 01:30:13.510 --> 01:30:16.831 [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I would be sad or reminiscing when she was a baby. 01:30:17.471 --> 01:30:22.314 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm so proud, but it's so interesting hearing what she has to say. 01:30:22.934 --> 01:30:25.656 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm the big kid because I'll fuck around. 01:30:26.296 --> 01:30:27.797 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll talk to her like a big kid. 01:30:27.877 --> 01:30:29.698 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk to her like, you know, I'll make jokes. 01:30:29.738 --> 01:30:31.519 [SPEAKER_01]: They're, you know, she's things that are obnoxious. 01:30:32.019 --> 01:30:34.861 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm the annoying one, which I enjoy that, too. 01:30:35.401 --> 01:30:36.862 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's the whole thing is great. 01:30:36.882 --> 01:30:38.423 [SPEAKER_01]: I think parenthood is underrated. 01:30:38.863 --> 01:30:44.086 [SPEAKER_01]: Underrated for like, here people like bitching about the kids, bitching about teenagers and doing all the stuff. 01:30:44.106 --> 01:30:45.547 [SPEAKER_01]: And I've always hated that. 01:30:46.667 --> 01:30:52.110 [SPEAKER_01]: being able to kind of witness the growth of a child and doing adult is to me as like from the best. 01:30:52.570 --> 01:30:58.714 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a good perspective and it's nice to hear from you and you too guys are proof of that. 01:30:58.774 --> 01:31:01.955 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean your conversations your podcasts I like to listen to them. 01:31:02.155 --> 01:31:08.358 [SPEAKER_00]: It's always interesting and chemistry is top notch so well I appreciate that well one of the things I did was when she turned 01:31:11.699 --> 01:31:13.400 [SPEAKER_01]: But you can't curse outside the house. 01:31:13.981 --> 01:31:16.423 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, can't be, say, you can't be cursed outside the house. 01:31:16.943 --> 01:31:18.284 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was interesting to me. 01:31:18.304 --> 01:31:22.008 [SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of, I had a lot of messages for people who said, no, this isn't right and everything that. 01:31:22.448 --> 01:31:28.633 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I said was, I would rather her express herself the way she feels the most comfortable. 01:31:29.213 --> 01:31:30.755 [SPEAKER_01]: And if she's gonna say, fuck once in a while, 01:31:31.989 --> 01:31:37.172 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'd rather get a, I'd rather get a non, self-sensored thing. 01:31:37.352 --> 01:31:46.698 [SPEAKER_01]: No, she once said to me, she said, I had a straightener out a couple of times because she said something like the, she said, she said, she had her fucked me in a way that I didn't particularly like. 01:31:46.738 --> 01:31:47.298 [SPEAKER_01]: And I had to like, 01:31:47.758 --> 01:31:51.621 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to tighten the reins a little bit on that, and in the beginning, you know, fuck every five seconds. 01:31:52.161 --> 01:32:04.930 [SPEAKER_01]: But I really do believe that she was able to express herself in a way where I was able to get a much more honest view of who she was. 01:32:05.491 --> 01:32:14.037 [SPEAKER_01]: So I feel as though, like, I think that, you know, obviously it doesn't work for everybody, and some people are too stupid to, you know, be good parent anyway. 01:32:14.477 --> 01:32:19.880 [SPEAKER_01]: But it's but at the same time like it was a real it was a real gamble. 01:32:19.980 --> 01:32:21.861 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the whole gamble the paid off. 01:32:21.901 --> 01:32:28.924 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no I'm but it makes sense as as as long as you Educate her on marriage okay and very smart. 01:32:29.004 --> 01:32:29.965 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's all right. 01:32:29.985 --> 01:32:30.005 [SPEAKER_00]: I 01:32:30.425 --> 01:32:41.974 [SPEAKER_00]: And we have a similar experience, we never granted them like that they can curse or anything, but my wife and I, especially, I don't really censor in front of my kids for whatever reason. 01:32:41.994 --> 01:32:42.375 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 01:32:44.116 --> 01:32:51.562 [SPEAKER_00]: And you, you know, you get into talks while it's okay when we're under which age. 01:32:52.282 --> 01:32:54.303 [SPEAKER_00]: And you explain to them why and why it isn't. 01:32:54.423 --> 01:32:57.025 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there are just limits to being a kid. 01:32:57.245 --> 01:33:00.486 [SPEAKER_00]: They can't drink alcohol, they can drink coffee and shit like that. 01:33:01.287 --> 01:33:07.810 [SPEAKER_00]: And they can't curse in public spaces because all the kids might do as well and it just gets out of hand. 01:33:08.991 --> 01:33:11.312 [SPEAKER_00]: And they can't really limit themselves. 01:33:11.372 --> 01:33:12.512 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a real reason. 01:33:13.933 --> 01:33:18.996 [SPEAKER_00]: And a grown-up knows when it's okay and when it's not, but a kid usually doesn't. 01:33:19.076 --> 01:33:20.636 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's why they can't do it generally. 01:33:20.736 --> 01:33:22.017 [SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree with it. 01:33:22.237 --> 01:33:30.381 [SPEAKER_01]: I just found myself having a completely new relationship with a child who was giving me her authentic thoughts. 01:33:31.281 --> 01:33:50.371 [SPEAKER_01]: And she was able to express herself in a very authentic, and it wasn't, I mean, it's not like she was giving me the theory of relativity or anything like that, but she was able to feel comfortable enough to speak in a way that she was able to express herself in a way that I found a much more authentic voice, and that to me was there was a value to that. 01:33:50.791 --> 01:33:55.716 [SPEAKER_01]: And the funniest thing is growing up there was a person my life who was a total piece of garbage. 01:33:56.277 --> 01:34:04.665 [SPEAKER_01]: And she used to hate that I would say bad words and she would just say what a low-brow I was because of some of the things that I would say. 01:34:05.406 --> 01:34:13.374 [SPEAKER_01]: The thing is is like she was such a piece of human garbage that didn't curse, but she was really a terrible human being. 01:34:14.215 --> 01:34:17.557 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was not a terrible human being and I said fuck once in a while. 01:34:17.998 --> 01:34:23.181 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you gotta have, there's has to be, you know, there has to be, there's not an equivalency in this. 01:34:23.241 --> 01:34:30.285 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'd rather take the person who says fuck, but it's not a garbage human, then the garbage human that doesn't curse. 01:34:30.405 --> 01:34:30.666 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 01:34:30.966 --> 01:34:31.426 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 01:34:31.646 --> 01:34:38.591 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of speaking garbage human beings, you and I are gonna be on the high carbon pipes. 01:34:39.351 --> 01:34:49.221 [SPEAKER_01]: So, if you're listening to this ladies and gentlemen, Ben and I will be on the next episode of the High Carbon Podcast with Keith Colby, Glove Keith. 01:34:49.642 --> 01:34:50.382 [SPEAKER_01]: No, Keith. 01:34:50.422 --> 01:34:52.324 [SPEAKER_00]: Keith will not be on the podcast, I think. 01:34:52.765 --> 01:34:54.166 [SPEAKER_01]: Keith will not be on that podcast. 01:34:54.226 --> 01:34:55.428 [SPEAKER_01]: On that podcast, he'll be you. 01:34:55.568 --> 01:34:56.809 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he'll be in for Keith. 01:34:57.269 --> 01:34:57.890 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'll bet. 01:34:57.910 --> 01:34:58.190 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll bet. 01:34:58.210 --> 01:34:58.471 [SPEAKER_00]: I'll bet. 01:34:58.491 --> 01:34:58.971 [SPEAKER_00]: We'll be there. 01:34:59.332 --> 01:34:59.772 [SPEAKER_00]: And Pauli. 01:34:59.972 --> 01:35:00.593 [SPEAKER_00]: As far as I know. 01:35:00.938 --> 01:35:05.079 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, Pauli, so we are going, so who's cruising you running the whole thing? 01:35:05.499 --> 01:35:07.540 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, all three, well, what do you mean? 01:35:07.820 --> 01:35:08.560 [SPEAKER_00]: Like Albert? 01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:10.341 [SPEAKER_00]: No, who's going to be like the administering? 01:35:11.341 --> 01:35:12.241 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, Keith's not going to be there. 01:35:12.261 --> 01:35:12.742 [SPEAKER_01]: That's too bad. 01:35:12.762 --> 01:35:13.282 [SPEAKER_01]: I love Keith. 01:35:13.522 --> 01:35:15.542 [SPEAKER_00]: Keith usually gets the, gets the guests. 01:35:16.063 --> 01:35:20.404 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, Pauli is chose for shit talking and Albert does the editing and Albert does a great job. 01:35:20.504 --> 01:35:22.965 [SPEAKER_00]: I would say Albert is the most qualified of the free. 01:35:24.065 --> 01:35:25.228 [SPEAKER_00]: What's so Albert's last name? 01:35:25.368 --> 01:35:25.969 [SPEAKER_00]: Angipiago. 01:35:27.532 --> 01:35:28.373 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay. 01:35:28.574 --> 01:35:29.054 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt so. 01:35:29.355 --> 01:35:30.056 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a good dude. 01:35:30.136 --> 01:35:30.798 [SPEAKER_00]: No, he's a great dude. 01:35:30.818 --> 01:35:31.218 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a good dude. 01:35:31.238 --> 01:35:31.799 [SPEAKER_00]: And you shoot. 01:35:31.819 --> 01:35:33.042 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a really nice guy. 01:35:33.102 --> 01:35:34.805 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a crazy shop. 01:35:35.741 --> 01:35:37.202 [SPEAKER_01]: Is he the guy created apex Ultra? 01:35:37.222 --> 01:35:40.445 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, that's Hanger, that's Tobias Hanger. 01:35:40.565 --> 01:35:48.651 [SPEAKER_00]: But he has like five beshe power hammers up to I think 150 kilograms and then all the smaller ones as well. 01:35:49.452 --> 01:35:53.815 [SPEAKER_00]: And he resurrects and sells power hammers, so he's very knowledgeable. 01:35:54.235 --> 01:35:55.977 [SPEAKER_00]: His shop is very big and 01:35:56.737 --> 01:36:08.890 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he makes great Damascus, gives, you know, those big classes, he works with another guy in his shop, but very good, you know, businessmen and respectable life-making and, yeah. 01:36:09.210 --> 01:36:12.514 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we're not going to fuck around with him too much. 01:36:12.894 --> 01:36:15.997 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but we're going to like- He understands some quality over the barrel. 01:36:16.017 --> 01:36:18.360 [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, we will fuck, we will fuck polyop, yeah. 01:36:21.547 --> 01:36:23.468 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I love Paul, he Baltic blades. 01:36:23.488 --> 01:36:25.088 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a good knife-talk listener. 01:36:25.368 --> 01:36:27.329 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know what that'll happen. 01:36:27.629 --> 01:36:28.630 [SPEAKER_01]: He used to be honest. 01:36:28.670 --> 01:36:30.470 [SPEAKER_01]: He used to submit to the knife-talk all the time. 01:36:30.490 --> 01:36:35.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we've helped him become a better knife-maker and then he abandoned ship. 01:36:35.192 --> 01:36:42.915 [SPEAKER_01]: And now I got a message from someone saying and he was beating my brakes in on his on his on the podcast. 01:36:43.855 --> 01:36:58.412 [SPEAKER_01]: and but funny enough he didn't have the guts to do it he had to put he beat my breaks in on the patreon side so like he beat me beat me up behind a paywall which I'm not gonna pay obviously I'm not gonna fucking pay it to hear myself kick my kick them out 01:36:59.653 --> 01:37:01.714 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then all of a sudden I'm thinking that's fine. 01:37:01.754 --> 01:37:04.034 [SPEAKER_01]: I miss just I semester to keep that writer. 01:37:04.054 --> 01:37:04.574 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you okay? 01:37:04.954 --> 01:37:05.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Is everything okay? 01:37:05.734 --> 01:37:06.075 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here. 01:37:06.095 --> 01:37:07.735 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting my ass kicked on your podcast. 01:37:07.755 --> 01:37:09.575 [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to work good or I love Keith. 01:37:09.615 --> 01:37:12.796 [SPEAKER_01]: So in my mind, I'm thinking to myself, all right, let me make sure we're all right here. 01:37:12.856 --> 01:37:15.377 [SPEAKER_01]: And the next thing you know, Paul, he invites you back on the podcast with you. 01:37:15.977 --> 01:37:16.917 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm thinking myself, okay, great. 01:37:16.937 --> 01:37:20.418 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to, when we got on full blast, we're going to talk about how we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to 01:37:20.518 --> 01:37:32.641 [SPEAKER_00]: be poly up all the part we got the rattle is a great guy and he understands some some some fuckery as well but I think I think his mouth is sometimes quicker than his brain brain 01:37:33.725 --> 01:37:36.768 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, we're gonna bratless cage a little bit nicely. 01:37:37.008 --> 01:37:38.730 [SPEAKER_01]: We're gonna give him the slap and take off course. 01:37:38.830 --> 01:37:42.233 [SPEAKER_01]: The slap and take off is like smashin' a little bit and then give him a little bit under the chin. 01:37:43.815 --> 01:37:45.456 [SPEAKER_01]: Ben, you are the man. 01:37:45.997 --> 01:37:46.597 [SPEAKER_01]: You are the man. 01:37:47.038 --> 01:37:48.959 [SPEAKER_01]: Time goes by when I get you and I love talking. 01:37:48.980 --> 01:37:50.401 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what we got to do the next time? 01:37:50.821 --> 01:37:53.284 [SPEAKER_01]: I got to have you and Snorr on at the same time. 01:37:53.324 --> 01:37:56.767 [SPEAKER_00]: You got to do a lot of questions for the Cowboys who, um, I'm done. 01:37:58.208 --> 01:38:03.453 [SPEAKER_01]: If you're listening to this a few years ago, we had Ben C'mon and Ben Stewart at the same time. 01:38:03.513 --> 01:38:12.640 [SPEAKER_01]: It was amazing and I think that will be the next time C'mon and Ben Stewart C'mon is I'm going to get them both on together because it's it's what it's awesome. 01:38:12.660 --> 01:38:14.042 [SPEAKER_01]: So if you go back to the archives. 01:38:14.602 --> 01:38:16.863 [SPEAKER_01]: Definitely listen to Ben and Ben. 01:38:17.083 --> 01:38:19.925 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really great listening to the two voices and we're having a good time. 01:38:19.945 --> 01:38:32.071 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll fuck around Ben, come on I'm going to talk to you in a little bit and then we're going to be if you are watching or listening or following along He's going to be at the Austria knife show in October 01:38:34.545 --> 01:38:35.305 [SPEAKER_00]: end of October. 01:38:35.745 --> 01:38:36.946 [SPEAKER_01]: Very excited about that. 01:38:37.366 --> 01:38:40.466 [SPEAKER_01]: And we will have you back on. 01:38:40.506 --> 01:38:42.447 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about it way before you come back with that. 01:38:42.487 --> 01:38:43.307 [SPEAKER_00]: Perfect. 01:38:43.387 --> 01:38:44.227 [SPEAKER_00]: Great talking to you. 01:38:44.287 --> 01:38:44.947 [SPEAKER_00]: Had a lot of fun. 01:38:45.328 --> 01:38:46.068 [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for having me. 01:38:46.588 --> 01:38:46.928 [SPEAKER_00]: Always. 01:38:46.948 --> 01:38:48.668 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you hear the man? 01:38:48.888 --> 01:38:49.469 [SPEAKER_00]: You're the hilarious. 01:38:49.489 --> 01:38:50.609 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even talk about it. 01:38:50.629 --> 01:38:50.989 [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect. 01:38:51.529 --> 01:38:53.529 [SPEAKER_01]: Guys, go follow Ben. 01:38:53.830 --> 01:38:55.830 [SPEAKER_01]: All of his Instagram information. 01:38:55.970 --> 01:38:59.571 [SPEAKER_01]: All of where you can get a hold of them will be on the show notes where you listen to this. 01:39:00.371 --> 01:39:03.272 [SPEAKER_01]: And we will see you next week. 01:39:03.332 --> 01:39:04.032 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, Ben. 01:39:04.072 --> 01:39:04.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye. 01:39:04.452 --> 01:39:04.520 [UNKNOWN]: You