WEBVTT 00:00.972 --> 00:10.682 [SPEAKER_00]: Super much special as John and Regana are back as always joined by Kyle for our first jurors series, bitter or better. 00:11.603 --> 00:15.687 [SPEAKER_00]: We've got an interesting group of seasons today. 00:15.867 --> 00:22.294 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we start off with a bang with Cambodia and co-wrong is great, but our first juror is metovact. 00:22.834 --> 00:28.938 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we go into three seasons where the first jurors are non-existent women. 00:29.638 --> 00:31.819 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm like, all right, then it's over. 00:31.840 --> 00:34.121 [SPEAKER_00]: And then we move on to the next episode. 00:34.421 --> 00:44.927 [SPEAKER_00]: So it will have a lot and a little to talk about because as Alex Trius says, Hayley Ford II, electric bugulu, is in the building today. 00:44.947 --> 00:44.987 [SPEAKER_00]: So 00:46.388 --> 00:49.830 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's dive right into Cambodia. 00:49.930 --> 00:52.771 [SPEAKER_00]: So, Cass is our first-year chaos cast. 00:53.431 --> 00:57.372 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, she winds up voting for Jeremy as to all of the jurors. 00:57.833 --> 01:03.075 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and yeah, Kyle, give us your thoughts on chaos cast. 01:03.915 --> 01:11.058 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, there are very few people that set a tone and have strong opinions like chaos cast. 01:11.178 --> 01:11.478 [SPEAKER_01]: I think 01:11.942 --> 01:16.403 [SPEAKER_01]: having her as a first juror is really just perfect. 01:16.543 --> 01:32.567 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the tone that is set here was actually set before this season even happened in Kageon with her relationship with Spencer because they have a rivalry. 01:32.907 --> 01:37.830 [SPEAKER_01]: They have a rivalry throughout this season where Cass had just saved him at the previous vote. 01:38.451 --> 01:46.156 [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe that relationship didn't impact this vote too much, but there was some history there. 01:46.857 --> 01:52.641 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is the third all return season that we have in Survivor. 01:53.081 --> 01:57.704 [SPEAKER_01]: So we see that history come in here again. 02:02.067 --> 02:05.748 [SPEAKER_02]: There's to be asking, y'know, I think what's really important about cats being here. 02:05.768 --> 02:12.650 [SPEAKER_02]: I think cats kind of goes against the grain of what we see survivor evolve into from this era. 02:12.790 --> 02:15.471 [SPEAKER_02]: Because now we've entered the big moves era of survivor. 02:15.911 --> 02:20.632 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the point where everything becomes big moves. 02:20.672 --> 02:23.213 [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone starts building towards their resumes and everything, right? 02:23.233 --> 02:27.954 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, yes, like, I believe Tosh's the first one to really reference the 02:28.663 --> 02:32.805 [SPEAKER_02]: a resume in Kageon, and maybe it's a season, either way. 02:32.825 --> 02:53.932 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just like the first one to really mention like resume moves and stuff like that, and with the shift into like voting blocks and everything like that that we see in Cambodia, this is a change in the dynamic of the game, and I don't think cash quite fits into that archetype, but I also think that your videos like guys is never voting for Spencer, 02:58.693 --> 03:04.878 [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't think it necessarily paints the entire picture of how we pass impacted this jury. 03:05.999 --> 03:16.569 [SPEAKER_00]: Cass was actually one of our examples in the merge episode that we talked about for Survivor 50 that inspired this podcast series. 03:18.210 --> 03:21.513 [SPEAKER_00]: And I really like Cass as a first-year here. 03:21.993 --> 03:22.954 [SPEAKER_00]: I think she is, 03:24.750 --> 03:36.097 [SPEAKER_00]: because she's a lawyer, she's really wanting to get to the bottom of everything and is in it because it is just a game, you know, let me see what's happening. 03:36.617 --> 03:52.326 [SPEAKER_00]: Savage comes into the jury next hot, hate's cast, and then he's like, I'm never going to spend any time with her, and then he winds up loving cast, you know, they become friends in Ponderosa. 03:52.346 --> 03:53.127 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they're like 03:53.887 --> 03:58.590 [SPEAKER_00]: But he's like, wow, I actually have good conversations with Cass. 03:58.910 --> 04:09.297 [SPEAKER_00]: So I think Cass is a first-year while she is volatile in the game that doesn't affect her jury vote so much. 04:09.877 --> 04:13.379 [SPEAKER_00]: I understand it's up against Spencer and Tasha. 04:13.439 --> 04:17.781 [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a bit of past history that is coming into that. 04:17.881 --> 04:31.587 [SPEAKER_00]: But if it was all new people, one of them blindsided her, I could still see Cass giving the nod to anybody who might not have that past history that Tasha or Spencer do have with her. 04:32.450 --> 04:48.459 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, we know cast definitely respects the game like she votes for Tony in Kageon and they, you know, had their back and forth a lot of fighting a lot towards the end, but she still voted for him and it's tough to know I mentioned this in the last episode that 04:49.459 --> 04:52.120 [SPEAKER_01]: We start to see a lot of landslide winners here. 04:52.841 --> 04:56.543 [SPEAKER_01]: We have a few unanimous winners in this bunch. 04:57.643 --> 05:02.145 [SPEAKER_01]: So the impact of the first juror while cast certainly does have an impact. 05:02.466 --> 05:11.210 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a little bit harder to see when everybody is voting for the same person, like people from all different alliances and groups are all on the same page. 05:12.590 --> 05:18.496 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it gets really difficult to kind of determine how impactful Cassidy's really to this boat and how much it is. 05:18.576 --> 05:26.503 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, Jeremy strategy, that's really in the end driving how this boat turns out, especially because it is you to end the miss. 05:27.744 --> 05:34.911 [SPEAKER_02]: I think part of the big thing to consider, though, is Cassidy goes into this boat, really not 05:36.037 --> 05:40.299 [SPEAKER_02]: liking how much buy-ons like growing down at the merge. 05:40.659 --> 05:49.442 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's really important to look at the fact that Jeremy like fits into the bro down a bit, but he isn't the earliest of pros. 05:50.583 --> 05:55.485 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's really important when considering to get there I think like 05:57.275 --> 06:00.797 [SPEAKER_02]: This is one of those people who might sit there and be like, I don't want to vote for any of you. 06:01.138 --> 06:03.999 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, she should have taken vocalize that in this at all. 06:04.760 --> 06:09.363 [SPEAKER_02]: But she is the type of a person who would go there and be like, oh my god, I can't believe I have to choose between these three people. 06:10.164 --> 06:12.365 [SPEAKER_02]: And Jeremy doesn't put her in that position. 06:12.385 --> 06:16.027 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she feels like fairly good voting for Jeremy here. 06:16.688 --> 06:20.390 [SPEAKER_02]: And even if you look at her final travel counsel collection, it's all focused on Spencer. 06:20.450 --> 06:21.951 [SPEAKER_02]: And the growth Spencer goes through. 06:22.732 --> 06:23.713 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think, 06:24.945 --> 06:50.608 [SPEAKER_02]: Her mind was already made up going into this final travel council as I'm pretty sure everyone's mind was made up into this particular final travel council, but I just don't see cat and I don't think cash was being super toxic towards Spencer I don't think she had to be toxic towards Spencer, I mean, don't see more mentions that she was getting a little bit toxic towards Tasha in Towards the end of Fondorosa, but 06:53.507 --> 06:55.288 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't necessary, is the thing, right? 06:55.308 --> 07:01.552 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, and I think that's one of the interesting things when we look at these first jurors for this section, right? 07:01.572 --> 07:13.238 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, we're looking at jurors who were kind of like out of game for big moves and stuff, but it's mostly the kind of you mentioned that there's a lot of like invisible women who were looking at a lot of different types of winners throughout this section. 07:13.698 --> 07:19.641 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that does kind of play into these first jurors and how they respect the finalists. 07:19.802 --> 07:21.543 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the big thing that we're really looking 07:23.292 --> 07:27.897 [SPEAKER_02]: impact on this, is it, oh man, I'm so bitter, blah, blah, blah. 07:27.977 --> 07:31.822 [SPEAKER_02]: It's more, I respect Jeremy the most because he treat me the most like a human being. 07:32.591 --> 07:41.033 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, her vote out episode had the whole issue with Tasha being like, oh, cast is fishing for information. 07:41.113 --> 07:42.673 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm giving her false information. 07:42.693 --> 07:50.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Then when cast brings the false information and is like, you told me this, and Tasha was like, no, I didn't. 07:50.515 --> 08:01.138 [SPEAKER_00]: I never said any of that, even though we have the footage that she said, you know, Bion's no more or even if she just took her head to it, she implied no more Bion. 08:02.998 --> 08:07.602 [SPEAKER_00]: And granted that might be false information, but you still said the false information. 08:07.923 --> 08:20.733 [SPEAKER_00]: So there was that whole big blow up between Cass and Tasha, that, you know, wrote Tasha off just for this season kind of alone with Cass of like, 08:22.214 --> 08:31.762 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm surprised that we didn't get a question from Cass to Tasha being like, hey, did you sell me false information in that vote just to clear everything up? 08:32.383 --> 08:44.192 [SPEAKER_00]: Because that is something that other jurors would have mentioned, but she just kind of gave a nod to Spencer and was like, I see what you're doing, you know, maybe we could have a beer. 08:44.212 --> 08:47.535 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's another thing to consider. 08:49.409 --> 09:02.576 [SPEAKER_01]: you mentioned is cast excited to vote for any of these people and maybe not, but I think this is another example of like the person that she was really excited to vote for is the final juror. 09:03.016 --> 09:08.438 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that cast is voting for Wentworth if Wentworth is there and I think a lot 09:15.922 --> 09:40.709 [SPEAKER_01]: sentiment in the jury and like that that tone was set where what worth gets to the end she's probably going to win but she falls one vote short now you have to reframe the way that you thought about the game and it's such a short amount of time maybe that is the separating factor where it's like Jeremy treated me the best right I have the best personal relationship with him so right now that is going to be the deciding factor for me. 09:41.614 --> 09:42.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's a really good point, Kyle. 09:43.295 --> 09:55.905 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think we really attribute how fast the turnaround is from the last person being going out of the game into bio tribal council and enough when we're considering decisions that the jury are making and how it can change. 09:56.445 --> 10:05.152 [SPEAKER_02]: And especially if you go through the entire publicsmanage portion of the game, I guess jury section of the game, 10:06.013 --> 10:14.215 [SPEAKER_02]: and you're developing your ideas of what you want to see unfold and then all of a sudden those have to shift really late into your process. 10:16.396 --> 10:20.397 [SPEAKER_00]: So Cass, bitter or better, honestly feel better about Cass. 10:25.590 --> 10:39.037 [SPEAKER_00]: She's not like fully in the frame of mind of like burn-at-rething because we, I actually watched the Maiponderosa for both hers and savages when we talked about Cass earlier. 10:39.437 --> 10:47.402 [SPEAKER_00]: And she really just loves Survivor and it felt like from those two Maiponderosa episodes that she was really just like, 10:48.202 --> 10:57.168 [SPEAKER_00]: here for the love of the game, and I don't see how that could be better for watching those at least. 10:58.829 --> 10:59.409 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a good one. 10:59.869 --> 11:04.212 [SPEAKER_02]: I think she gives both Tasha and Spencer a fair shake here in the tribal council. 11:06.254 --> 11:09.796 [SPEAKER_02]: Just turns out that there are against an immovable object in Jeremy, right? 11:09.876 --> 11:10.796 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. 11:10.997 --> 11:15.700 [SPEAKER_02]: It was an uphill battle for them in the beginning, and then it also turns out that Jeremy 11:19.068 --> 11:19.175 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 11:20.801 --> 11:50.052 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's move on to co-wrong because we've got an interesting one here because we can't talk about final tribal council and how they impact the votes because it's Neil in co-wrong he is meta-vac from the game first to start out and then Michelle wins an advantage to remove a juror to remove Neil because that is an Aubrey vote for sure and a vocal Aubrey vote. 11:50.672 --> 12:10.785 [SPEAKER_00]: while Joe is not going to be that vocal persuasive Aubrey vote to Brian Sway, some of the other jurors, but what I didn't realize or I didn't remember Jeff saying this, once Michelle votes out Neil, Jeff is like, okay, you're going to be sequestered from the rest of everybody tonight. 12:11.205 --> 12:18.230 [SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't even have any opportunity to like talk or impact the jury in that in those final moments. 12:18.630 --> 12:43.765 [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just whatever he said, the entire rest of Ponderosa, and clearly that wasn't enough because he was darn sure our Aubrey was winning the game and that led Scott to be able to be more of that vocal presence to go for Michelle over Aubrey. 12:46.425 --> 13:10.566 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that this is kind of a case where the person who is advocating for someone is doing them a disservice, because I'm not sure how much respect these people really have for Neil, like what Scott Pollard and Kyle Jason are not listening to what Neil has to say they don't like Neil, so you know, they're they're going to go against that, I don't know if they don't like him, but they're not going to 13:11.086 --> 13:22.876 [SPEAKER_01]: take his word for it and especially what Neil says like on his way out as he's getting voted out of the jury like he doesn't do himself or Aubrey and any favors here. 13:23.177 --> 13:26.760 [SPEAKER_01]: So he was he was worse for sure. 13:27.741 --> 13:28.621 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree Kyle. 13:28.701 --> 13:33.586 [SPEAKER_02]: I think I'm just gonna say Neil sucks like this Danny is so 13:35.899 --> 13:42.545 [SPEAKER_02]: arrogant and egotistical, that that is a completely unfounded. 13:42.746 --> 13:56.198 [SPEAKER_02]: He's out there in his ice cream pants like he's at a point where he's getting met a batch from the game and if he's such a good ally with Aubrey to like stand her at the end of the game, why isn't he giving her his hidden in the idle, right? 13:56.258 --> 14:00.642 [SPEAKER_02]: Like there are so many questions about it and I think what it really comes down to is 14:01.893 --> 14:03.376 [SPEAKER_02]: You hit the nail on the head, Kyle. 14:03.997 --> 14:06.382 [SPEAKER_02]: These people don't respect Neil. 14:06.442 --> 14:10.590 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Neil isn't carrying 14:11.475 --> 14:16.098 [SPEAKER_02]: There is no way Neil can introduce enough to this jury to sway the vote to Aubrey. 14:16.118 --> 14:18.800 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is something that we've really forgotten about Cole. 14:18.940 --> 14:31.609 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that when people go back with a revisionist history of Cole Brown, and those who have always advocated that Aubrey should have won the game over Michelle, the point to this moment of like, oh, well, if Neil was there, the things would be different. 14:32.550 --> 14:33.411 [SPEAKER_02]: No, it wouldn't have been. 14:34.051 --> 14:35.172 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle wins five, too. 14:37.614 --> 14:39.155 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was Joe and Debbie? 14:40.784 --> 14:41.805 [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, it's a myth. 14:42.286 --> 14:44.228 [SPEAKER_00]: Joe, it's a myth. 14:44.588 --> 14:45.209 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 14:45.549 --> 14:49.213 [SPEAKER_00]: OK, so here's the side question for Caurong. 14:50.214 --> 14:56.541 [SPEAKER_00]: Since Neil is removed from the jury, I guess, Nick would kind of be the first juror now. 14:56.921 --> 14:59.444 [SPEAKER_00]: And then he also votes for Aubrey here. 15:00.425 --> 15:24.085 [SPEAKER_00]: So that throws everything else in it to see like how did he not have the impact either of hey, you know, let's not vote for Michelle let's vote for Aubrey I think Aubrey has the best win equity or whatever and that that just shocks me that it's it's Nick I don't think it's talking at all. 15:25.243 --> 15:29.546 [SPEAKER_02]: because Scott Pollard and Kyle Jason are never being swayed from what they're looking for. 15:29.606 --> 15:34.450 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I understand, but I'm just shocked that Nick is Nick votes for Aubrey. 15:34.470 --> 15:37.793 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know where he draws that conclusion. 15:39.085 --> 15:40.386 [SPEAKER_02]: And that is a good thing to consider, right? 15:40.406 --> 15:43.508 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, is that because he spent so much time with Neil talking about Aubrey's game? 15:44.069 --> 15:53.875 [SPEAKER_02]: Because one of the big things like we have seen post game, like, shoppower this said that if he knew how much Aubrey was doing, he probably would have considered a voting partner, but it doesn't matter when you're in-game. 15:54.395 --> 15:54.735 [SPEAKER_00]: Right? 15:54.815 --> 16:01.820 [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the important thing, like if you can't, as something that I think a lot of people forget about when it comes to survivor, 16:02.640 --> 16:08.775 [SPEAKER_02]: If you get articulate what you're doing or demonstrate what you're doing, you might as well not be doing it. 16:10.390 --> 16:11.370 [SPEAKER_00]: which is on board. 16:11.850 --> 16:17.511 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially in the eyes of this jury that can only observe things through try to travel counsel. 16:17.812 --> 16:19.552 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there's obviously a good moves here. 16:19.832 --> 16:24.413 [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, but she didn't play the game necessary to win the season and Michelle did. 16:24.473 --> 16:33.515 [SPEAKER_02]: Michelle had the social bonds to make it so that she could win the season and she catered to these egotistical men who would be the ones 16:35.102 --> 16:38.985 [SPEAKER_02]: for who were really driving this journey. 16:39.005 --> 16:43.788 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the interesting thing is you look at these big personalities that we have on this journey. 16:43.988 --> 16:50.052 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, Neil is one of them, but Scott and Kyle Jason are just so much on. 16:50.633 --> 16:55.957 [SPEAKER_02]: Personality, that they're really going to drown anyone out and probably be like, oh, you know what? 16:56.817 --> 16:57.558 [SPEAKER_02]: Auburn kind of sucks. 16:58.524 --> 17:27.148 [SPEAKER_01]: Debbie, also, you know, I mean, chief of chief votes for Michelle, which is, that's another surprising, like this, this whole final tribal is surprising to me, not not all of it, but like Sydney and Debbie vote for Michelle and Nick votes for Aubrey, and I think Nick's jury question is more so like setting the, the tone for the tribal council where he's like, I'm going to listen to everything you guys are saying like good luck tonight. 17:27.508 --> 17:34.514 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what his, so he doesn't have much of a, he doesn't give much off during during his question. 17:34.614 --> 17:36.415 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't get a vibe of where he's voting. 17:36.435 --> 17:39.538 [SPEAKER_01]: So that's to me is why his Aubrey vote comes more out of nowhere. 17:40.583 --> 17:51.628 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Neil is very confident in that he has the beauties to go and vote out the bronze before he gets metabacked. 17:52.088 --> 17:56.650 [SPEAKER_00]: He's confident in his final words that Aubrey is going to win basically. 17:57.051 --> 18:04.914 [SPEAKER_00]: He has his little statement of Michelle suckling at the teeth and that she's not a badass bitch sideboat. 18:04.934 --> 18:06.575 [SPEAKER_02]: You know why he makes this comment, right? 18:08.777 --> 18:22.184 [SPEAKER_02]: Please tell us before the contest was held for a round of shelves on this new video like made its rounds on the internet and he was referencing her audition video Does she deal with a cow? 18:22.690 --> 18:24.211 [SPEAKER_02]: No, she said that there's bad aspect of it. 18:24.251 --> 18:26.392 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, I'm just a part of this. 18:26.412 --> 18:43.259 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no 18:45.840 --> 19:12.048 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is someone who never would have given anyone a chance because yeah, so I think he's someone where he's he wants to We talked about this a lot you want to vote for the person that you see yourself in I think Neil is the epitome of that where he doesn't want Aubrey to win because he wants Aubrey to win I think he wants Aubrey to win because that's and that is him or he's like oh if if Aubrey wins that's like if I won 19:12.548 --> 19:12.768 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 19:12.888 --> 19:14.389 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, I'm going to get. 19:14.469 --> 19:15.970 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, Aubrey's winning this game. 19:15.990 --> 19:16.610 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's more. 19:16.870 --> 19:18.291 [SPEAKER_01]: It's more for himself. 19:19.352 --> 19:21.993 [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's going to take a small piece of credit for that. 19:22.213 --> 19:25.975 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I actually think he would take a big piece of credit for a big piece of credit. 19:26.215 --> 19:29.837 [SPEAKER_02]: I think he would be like, oh, I think he would be like, oh, I was looking for you. 19:29.857 --> 19:30.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I made the jury for you. 19:30.897 --> 19:31.097 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 19:31.998 --> 19:37.641 [SPEAKER_00]: Even if the jury all had their own minds made up, Neil would probably be like, yes, over your welcome. 19:37.681 --> 19:39.202 [SPEAKER_00]: Can I have part of that million dollar? 19:39.282 --> 19:39.502 [SPEAKER_00]: So, 19:40.463 --> 19:48.505 [SPEAKER_00]: The question is Neil bitter or better, and we all know what he is, but I have to ask the question. 19:48.585 --> 19:49.586 [SPEAKER_02]: It's not a bitter. 19:50.326 --> 19:55.427 [SPEAKER_02]: I think like it's so interesting looking at Neil here and seeing. 19:55.447 --> 20:00.409 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually think he might be the most bitter juror we have had since. 20:00.449 --> 20:02.410 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, wax. 20:02.430 --> 20:03.530 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like that we've discussed. 20:04.800 --> 20:13.267 [SPEAKER_02]: And like, let's have like the outside portion of the game coming in somebody that there's an understanding to the bitterness that jet lets presents in all stars, but meal. 20:15.329 --> 20:16.530 [SPEAKER_02]: I just don't think he's a happy dude. 20:17.551 --> 20:19.433 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this guy is so full of himself. 20:19.493 --> 20:21.575 [SPEAKER_00]: He's a nice screen guy. 20:21.955 --> 20:24.417 [SPEAKER_01]: Here's another thing about Nick. 20:24.437 --> 20:32.224 [SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it's that Nick was on our half, like he was in our half, of course, on and before he came on the show, which he wouldn't really know it. 20:32.684 --> 20:34.485 [SPEAKER_01]: by looking at him on the show. 20:35.485 --> 20:36.626 [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he knew the game. 20:36.666 --> 20:38.207 [SPEAKER_01]: He was a super fan of the game. 20:38.687 --> 20:42.029 [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think he recognized what Aubrey was doing. 20:42.469 --> 20:45.210 [SPEAKER_01]: So with that knowledge, his vote makes more sense. 20:45.350 --> 20:48.772 [SPEAKER_01]: But on the show, it comes a little out of nowhere. 20:48.952 --> 20:49.132 [SPEAKER_01]: But, 20:49.812 --> 21:03.596 [SPEAKER_02]: I think the other problem is that the beauties get so under edited throughout the previous season except for Michelle, who is really hard to tell who is going on here. 21:03.696 --> 21:06.857 [SPEAKER_02]: Like what's going on here with Nick, because we don't see a lot of him. 21:07.277 --> 21:12.618 [SPEAKER_02]: Also he goes home at the second tribal council, he can go home at no the first title council because there is no title council. 21:16.877 --> 21:22.161 [SPEAKER_02]: So it really does kind of put in that question of like, what is Nick thinking as a juror? 21:22.681 --> 21:27.564 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what it really comes down to, this is a resentment folk from Nick here. 21:28.065 --> 21:32.808 [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, I don't even even take it to, oh, Aubrey's playing the better strategic game. 21:33.008 --> 21:39.092 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the, oh, Michelle's playing the social game I wanted to play and I don't want to give her credit for that, that's true, too. 21:39.272 --> 21:40.373 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think it does go both ways. 21:40.413 --> 21:42.835 [SPEAKER_02]: I think like, I think that's what's fascinating of a site. 21:44.067 --> 21:50.218 [SPEAKER_02]: duo of Neil and Nick here is where Neil wants to vote for someone he sees representing him in the game. 21:50.699 --> 21:54.246 [SPEAKER_02]: Nick wants to vote someone who's doing something different than he would do in the game. 21:56.445 --> 22:00.146 [SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's head on over to Millennials versus Gen X. 22:00.186 --> 22:03.326 [SPEAKER_00]: We are going to talk about another Michelle Schubert. 22:03.686 --> 22:06.447 [SPEAKER_00]: She votes for Adam as does everybody. 22:06.467 --> 22:12.348 [SPEAKER_00]: And I literally have two bullets and Michelle's final words. 22:12.508 --> 22:14.709 [SPEAKER_00]: Written down here for this episode. 22:15.089 --> 22:17.629 [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle is excited to be back with Taylor and Jay. 22:17.729 --> 22:18.869 [SPEAKER_00]: This is her confessional. 22:19.409 --> 22:20.610 [SPEAKER_00]: And then Taylor, 22:22.610 --> 22:25.811 [SPEAKER_00]: is the thought for the vote here, but it's still early. 22:25.831 --> 22:28.712 [SPEAKER_00]: And they just want to break up Taylor, J. 22:28.792 --> 22:29.732 [SPEAKER_00]: Will and Michelle. 22:31.352 --> 22:36.653 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and Michelle, not because she's associated with Taylor and J. 22:37.714 --> 22:38.754 [SPEAKER_01]: This will be a fast one. 22:39.934 --> 22:44.355 [SPEAKER_01]: I think Michelle is, uh, I think Michelle is actually a pretty good player. 22:44.395 --> 22:48.416 [SPEAKER_01]: She is, I think, primarily responsible for saving Figgy and sending home 22:51.843 --> 22:56.107 [SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, so we can thank Michelle for that. 22:56.507 --> 23:10.099 [SPEAKER_01]: So I actually think that they made the right choice on who to vote out here, like you're not really concerned about damage that Taylor can do in the game, but Michelle could have done some damage. 23:10.119 --> 23:17.085 [SPEAKER_01]: So she's under-edited like pretty forgettable in all honesty, but like I think it is that way because 23:18.718 --> 23:24.222 [SPEAKER_01]: They got her early and because she, you know, I don't know, she just doesn't have that popping personality. 23:24.882 --> 23:32.948 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, they don't put her a lot in the edit and she doesn't necessarily bring all that much as a juror, especially in the unanimous vote again here. 23:34.149 --> 23:34.449 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 23:48.692 --> 23:52.185 [SPEAKER_02]: These are the two people you had to sit beside your family game who would never get a divorce. 23:53.089 --> 23:53.350 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 23:53.986 --> 24:06.355 [SPEAKER_00]: I also think with Michelle's FTC questions, that it shows that she is a game player and wants to get to the bottom of some things. 24:06.855 --> 24:10.938 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she's spreading her impact throughout this jury. 24:10.958 --> 24:22.646 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she's like, yes, Adam should win and telling everybody because then you have Chris voted out next and he's one of those bigger, a lot of voices. 24:23.106 --> 24:25.015 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, on the table, Taylor goes with her first book. 24:25.638 --> 24:27.064 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good order, right? 24:27.753 --> 24:53.317 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but so she asked Hannah how many votes were you on the wrong side of and Hannah's like just Michaela and she's like wow that's impressive great and then Adam, why do your victories over shadow your blunders, which is a valid question because Adam kind of stumbles through part of this game before he's able to get us footing and able to 24:54.117 --> 25:00.142 [SPEAKER_00]: really succeed in the game and the strategy and maneuvering. 25:00.917 --> 25:12.179 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's an awesome jury question, especially for someone like Adam, who had a really messy stretch in there, kind of a rocking game in some aspects. 25:12.579 --> 25:23.281 [SPEAKER_01]: And once again, this is a situation where like really the two people that everyone wanted to vote for in David and Jay go home right before final tribal. 25:23.841 --> 25:26.342 [SPEAKER_01]: So with Adam, it's like, 25:27.282 --> 25:27.963 [SPEAKER_01]: Once again, you got it. 25:27.983 --> 25:28.924 [SPEAKER_01]: You got to look at the game. 25:28.944 --> 25:33.248 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that that's a really good question to ask him here. 25:34.489 --> 25:38.473 [SPEAKER_01]: And so for this, my answer is Michelle is a greatger. 25:38.653 --> 25:40.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Like I think that she is a betterger. 25:41.176 --> 25:46.221 [SPEAKER_01]: Her question to Hannah is interesting because, yeah, it's impressive, but it, I don't know. 25:46.281 --> 25:48.403 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like she was on the wrong side of one vote. 25:49.484 --> 25:49.705 [SPEAKER_01]: So I, 25:51.072 --> 25:56.998 [SPEAKER_01]: To me, it's like not impressive enough like a lot of people but I'll write a lot of stuff a little bit of an eye. 25:57.258 --> 26:05.886 [SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I want to ask like why Hannah doesn't get more respect here, or why Hannah doesn't get more consideration. 26:06.546 --> 26:13.993 [SPEAKER_01]: I know the label was put on her that she was like wishy washi and just like, oh, you want to sit next to her at the end. 26:14.334 --> 26:15.054 [SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like, 26:16.047 --> 26:21.088 [SPEAKER_01]: Hannah played a hell of a game here, definitely deserved more credit and more deserving. 26:21.108 --> 26:28.109 [SPEAKER_00]: I think you brought it to that emotional player syndrome that nobody wants to vote for them. 26:28.429 --> 26:32.530 [SPEAKER_00]: She had the public panic attack, get the challenge, get it? 26:32.550 --> 26:41.552 [SPEAKER_00]: The challenge that she wasn't participating in and that she was emotional and younger and nerdy. 26:41.592 --> 26:43.592 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why people didn't give her 26:44.292 --> 26:44.652 [SPEAKER_00]: some of. 26:44.672 --> 26:46.453 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. 26:46.493 --> 26:47.694 [SPEAKER_01]: You can't answer that question. 26:48.175 --> 26:55.699 [SPEAKER_00]: It's like the she falls into that emotional player and nobody's loading for emotional players. 26:57.861 --> 27:03.724 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think it kind of just has to do with the way that Hannah presents herself on the island and how people felt like they're connected. 27:03.885 --> 27:05.346 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the thing is 27:08.370 --> 27:14.675 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this season actually kind of is a poor job of editing as both seasons do, but social game. 27:15.956 --> 27:22.822 [SPEAKER_02]: I think what it comes down to is like, because it doesn't seem to make sense that Hannah and can get no votes at the end of this game. 27:23.722 --> 27:24.983 [SPEAKER_02]: Can it make some little sense? 27:25.023 --> 27:26.104 [SPEAKER_02]: It makes a little sense. 27:26.144 --> 27:28.987 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit there in the edit, but it's not like fully there, right? 27:31.749 --> 27:35.412 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is like a short coming of survivor editing where we don't get a seed. 27:36.452 --> 27:38.953 [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly, help people are responding to people a lot of the time. 27:39.293 --> 27:45.876 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, as I may can see what people are doing in Survivor, but we don't see how people are reacting to what people are doing in Survivor. 27:45.896 --> 27:48.577 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's really, really important. 27:48.978 --> 27:57.441 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Hannah is a lovely person based on like everything I've heard from her outside of the game. 27:58.362 --> 27:58.982 [SPEAKER_02]: And all that. 27:59.562 --> 28:00.543 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think at the age of 24, 28:02.653 --> 28:04.634 [SPEAKER_02]: in a very stressful environment. 28:05.694 --> 28:08.956 [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, personality comes off as almost neurotic to a sense. 28:09.356 --> 28:11.117 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that does rub people the wrong way. 28:11.857 --> 28:13.698 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's where it goes down to. 28:13.778 --> 28:21.882 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think when you have Michelle there as the first year, who was targeted by Chris and Brett, if I'm not mistaken. 28:23.102 --> 28:24.123 [SPEAKER_00]: That's what she told me. 28:24.143 --> 28:24.563 [SPEAKER_00]: The judges. 28:24.783 --> 28:25.743 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. 28:30.187 --> 28:37.072 [SPEAKER_02]: Because of that, I actually think Michelle going here as the first year is kind of important to add them getting this clean sleep here. 28:37.412 --> 28:43.357 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think she's really being influenced by people, but I think because this is someone who does have a respect for the game. 28:45.264 --> 28:48.205 [SPEAKER_02]: She, and that's what I think she sees in Adam as a winner, right? 28:48.685 --> 28:56.468 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think this what Adam brings most as a winner into Survivor is he is someone who respects the game almost more than anyone. 28:57.249 --> 29:08.413 [SPEAKER_02]: He's a kind of seeding of the game and that's what's really impressive about his win in Millennials versus Gen X is that despite his blunders, he's still able to navigate and get to the end of the game with exactly who he needs to 29:14.157 --> 29:17.438 [SPEAKER_02]: when you take that into account, I think Michelle's really important in that. 29:17.478 --> 29:23.199 [SPEAKER_02]: I think Michelle going here really does a tone that leads to Adam's win. 29:23.399 --> 29:27.039 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just not as impactful as who was making the decisions on the jury. 29:27.059 --> 29:30.300 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just the tone that the rest of the game takes after this boot. 29:30.820 --> 29:34.941 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because she's level headed, and you know who's not. 29:35.001 --> 29:35.861 [SPEAKER_01]: They cut a vote it out. 29:36.441 --> 29:41.682 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Adam was the target at this point from Michelle side thing too, right? 29:42.262 --> 29:51.404 [SPEAKER_00]: Check that recruit doc is Michelle a recruit or is she a fan who let me pull that up right now. 29:52.604 --> 30:00.526 [SPEAKER_01]: My guess is that she was, uh, think she quite, either an applicant or, uh, or applied to a different show. 30:02.927 --> 30:03.567 [SPEAKER_01]: One moment. 30:05.688 --> 30:06.648 [SPEAKER_01]: Michelle, she burnt. 30:12.618 --> 30:17.041 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I feel like that that is adding to what what we're saying. 30:17.061 --> 30:18.503 [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I wanted to double check. 30:19.543 --> 30:22.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Because and Hannah was was not, by the way. 30:22.145 --> 30:25.268 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's just that that different click. 30:25.328 --> 30:27.730 [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously Adam, gigantic fan. 30:28.550 --> 30:30.011 [SPEAKER_00]: All right. 30:30.552 --> 30:31.873 [SPEAKER_00]: Michelle better. 30:33.216 --> 30:42.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yeah, I, like I said, I don't think she really impacts the jury that much, but I think like her going really signified how the season was going to progress from there on. 30:43.039 --> 30:46.020 [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's really important to take into consideration for these first shares. 30:47.460 --> 30:48.440 [SPEAKER_00]: Alright, it's time. 30:50.061 --> 30:50.881 [SPEAKER_00]: Game changers. 30:51.970 --> 30:53.351 [SPEAKER_00]: Haley Ford. 30:55.232 --> 30:57.434 [SPEAKER_00]: We are back talking about her. 30:57.454 --> 31:00.316 [SPEAKER_00]: She just can't stay away waiting. 31:01.077 --> 31:03.959 [SPEAKER_00]: I know with Bated Breath. 31:03.999 --> 31:05.600 [SPEAKER_00]: And she votes Sarah. 31:06.301 --> 31:16.408 [SPEAKER_00]: I also have two bullet points for Haley that Sierra thinks Haley could possibly have an idol that she wants to split it between Haley and Michaela. 31:16.809 --> 31:16.889 [SPEAKER_00]: And 31:21.842 --> 31:24.283 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say one of your bullet points, I do not consent. 31:25.784 --> 31:27.985 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that wasn't in the episode. 31:28.005 --> 31:30.447 [SPEAKER_00]: The bullet point starts out vote out episode. 31:30.587 --> 31:31.787 [SPEAKER_00]: She does not say that. 31:32.768 --> 31:35.990 [SPEAKER_00]: I'd said last episode that she has three memorable moments. 31:36.170 --> 31:37.811 [SPEAKER_02]: All right. 31:38.751 --> 31:39.011 [SPEAKER_02]: OK. 31:39.632 --> 31:40.752 [SPEAKER_02]: I want to take a moment. 31:40.792 --> 31:42.793 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to great and staying game changes here for more. 31:42.813 --> 31:44.694 [SPEAKER_02]: So I never thought I would say, oh, yeah. 31:45.955 --> 31:48.877 [SPEAKER_02]: Because I'm not really because the season kind of sucks. 31:52.177 --> 31:54.459 [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a very pivotal thing. 31:54.499 --> 32:06.508 [SPEAKER_02]: McKenna, you and I have mentioned on the rewind before, there's a very pivotal quote from Jeff that happens at the beginning of this season that tells you kind of like what the production's planned for this season was. 32:07.913 --> 32:11.234 [SPEAKER_02]: And everyone kind of just neglects it because they're like game changes. 32:11.254 --> 32:14.095 [SPEAKER_02]: These are people who have changed the game is not what production said. 32:14.215 --> 32:23.578 [SPEAKER_02]: When they when they introduce the season, production said these are people who have changed the game or we believe have the potential to change the game. 32:24.019 --> 32:27.640 [SPEAKER_02]: And right to yeah or try to and couldn't get their feet wrong, right? 32:28.360 --> 32:36.465 [SPEAKER_02]: And, yeah, I agree, Darrell, so you more heavily did change the game by being the first twice or two time first juror. 32:37.325 --> 32:45.130 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's, and I think when we look at someone like Ali, you can see the potential in her. 32:45.150 --> 32:48.392 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can also see when no one really wants to work with her ever. 32:49.072 --> 32:51.354 [SPEAKER_02]: And you can see why she ends up being the first juror twice. 32:52.294 --> 32:56.797 [SPEAKER_00]: And you even has Sierra who's worked with her before being like, 32:57.855 --> 33:10.602 [SPEAKER_00]: We should probably get her out, but we don't work with her, but on the same season, because sometimes if you go into a show with someone on your same season, it's like, well, there's camaraderie, there's kinship. 33:11.863 --> 33:15.625 [SPEAKER_00]: Since everybody wants us to talk about Big Brother, I'll just do it a little bit here. 33:15.945 --> 33:22.048 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, D.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.EE.E.E.E.E.E.E.E.EE.EE.EE.EEE.E 33:27.371 --> 33:45.769 [SPEAKER_00]: easy thing for Haley and Sierra to do, Sierra to scoop up Haley as a number, but she really kind of cast her off from the beginning of the game and just doesn't work with Haley and that's really, I think, also a downside for Brad because Brad is 33:46.930 --> 33:55.314 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, Sierra's replacement in the final travel council, so it's like, well, I don't want Brad to win because Sierra didn't work with me. 33:55.394 --> 33:57.634 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, Brad wasn't great to me either. 33:58.715 --> 34:13.021 [SPEAKER_00]: Troy's in was she really should have voted for Troy's in because they were both there and then, and then, but she both votes for Sarah who, you know, is able to articulate her game the best. 34:14.163 --> 34:20.468 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I do think that I do not consent thing is important here. 34:21.669 --> 34:25.572 [SPEAKER_01]: At least that whole time on that swapped tribe. 34:26.052 --> 34:32.798 [SPEAKER_01]: It makes it big impact because she does spend a lot of time with Brad and Sierra and she's on the bottom of that swap tribe. 34:32.818 --> 34:36.621 [SPEAKER_01]: They both kale about first, but then she's just basically 34:37.201 --> 34:41.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Demo walking if they go back to another tribal, which they do, but it's the split tribal. 34:41.827 --> 34:44.210 [SPEAKER_01]: And then from there, she's kind of being told what to do. 34:44.250 --> 34:52.221 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not really allowed per se to like extend off and play her own game, at least that's like how she feels. 34:52.241 --> 34:53.763 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think that she just. 34:54.504 --> 35:00.209 [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of unhappy this whole season like she's in a bad spot and kind of frustrated I guess you could you would say. 35:01.711 --> 35:08.457 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I can see why no one really wants to work with her because like what do you get out of her in conversation? 35:08.497 --> 35:15.684 [SPEAKER_01]: She's not somebody who really like gives you a lot or, you know, she doesn't seem all that personable in the game. 35:17.325 --> 35:22.527 [SPEAKER_01]: to where anyone would want to like stick their next out and try to work with you or bring you in. 35:22.547 --> 35:28.189 [SPEAKER_01]: And this is this is the most no-man's land of no-man's land here is Haley and Game Changers. 35:28.269 --> 35:31.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Like she was just absolutely lost in this game. 35:33.131 --> 35:36.452 [SPEAKER_00]: At no-one fight for this season also started the 35:38.892 --> 35:44.754 [SPEAKER_00]: a jury kind of either open forum slash outweigh outplay outlast. 35:45.154 --> 35:49.815 [SPEAKER_00]: So it made my life more difficult because now I have to watch the final travel council. 35:51.176 --> 35:52.176 [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't watch all of it. 35:52.236 --> 35:55.777 [SPEAKER_00]: I just kind of looked for Haley's face and she had this one thing to say. 35:55.797 --> 35:58.758 [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, Brad, did you just say 36:01.639 --> 36:29.141 [SPEAKER_00]: And right from that, you can tell how she's feeling on Brad because my comes in is just like, wow, Brad really sucked because he made me feel small and that is something that, you know, Haley takes to heart and she wants to vote for a rightful winner and I don't think I think she's 36:30.713 --> 36:33.315 [SPEAKER_00]: bitter because she's not better. 36:33.335 --> 36:37.118 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're going into the other beast while in bland. 36:37.578 --> 36:43.503 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think one of the big things to consider with Hayley, there are a couple of things about her game to really consider her. 36:43.643 --> 36:47.366 [SPEAKER_02]: She is the only person who vote Zig when she is voted out of the game. 36:47.406 --> 36:48.907 [SPEAKER_02]: She is completely out on the island. 36:48.927 --> 36:49.968 [SPEAKER_02]: I still don't know what's happening. 36:51.688 --> 36:52.108 [SPEAKER_02]: But she? 36:52.308 --> 36:53.089 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm pretty sure. 36:53.509 --> 36:55.110 [SPEAKER_00]: No, I just watched the episode. 36:55.130 --> 36:55.530 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. 36:55.550 --> 36:57.310 [SPEAKER_02]: McKayla also looks like you. 36:57.371 --> 36:58.751 [SPEAKER_00]: What's this morning? 36:59.151 --> 37:00.712 [SPEAKER_02]: I also have the motor in front of me. 37:00.732 --> 37:03.193 [SPEAKER_02]: You had to stick through this episode. 37:03.633 --> 37:07.715 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, like, she's really out in an island here. 37:07.775 --> 37:10.436 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, McKayla was also out in an island at the marriage. 37:10.456 --> 37:11.837 [SPEAKER_02]: If you remember, Dame Chances of all. 37:12.491 --> 37:16.593 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, McNeill was not in a good position come the merch and and Haley was really on our island. 37:17.574 --> 37:21.276 [SPEAKER_02]: Haley's also the only person who stayed on the monotrad, the entire game. 37:22.957 --> 37:34.763 [SPEAKER_02]: So she ends up actually voting for Sarah who she never was on a tribe with, which is very interesting when you consider that the votes for Brad are from three of the next four of people voted out of the game. 37:37.828 --> 38:01.248 [SPEAKER_00]: like Kaylee is on her own island still because she's like I don't want to vote for anybody I was on an island with so you know what I think this is one of those instances where I think I should put the benefit Sarah that Kaylee is this first jerk here because she isn't scoring by her. 38:03.565 --> 38:24.361 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and I, I agree with Darrell Seamer on the comments saying, I'm pretty sure Sarah was waiting this no matter what, um, nobody like the way that Brad was treating Ty at the end of the season, um, so that really did diminish his winning chances, clearly nobody respected what Troy's end was doing, because they didn't even ask him questions that final travel counsel. 38:26.765 --> 38:32.430 [SPEAKER_02]: which is very upsetting, but Troy's at least humorous about it as he addresses it in final travel counsel. 38:32.450 --> 38:42.258 [SPEAKER_02]: It's actually one of the best parts of that final travel counsel is when Troy says that because he speaking of people who love the game of survivor, like that is a man who loves survivor. 38:43.299 --> 38:49.384 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think Haley going as someone not scoring, let her go in without this idea, like, okay, I kind of 38:50.990 --> 38:56.397 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey Sarah now, right and you look at the people who did end up voting for Brad in the census. 38:56.417 --> 39:02.966 [SPEAKER_02]: You have Aussie who's always going to vote for the challenge guy, especially if they break the, or they tie the male record for challenge wins. 39:03.507 --> 39:03.727 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. 39:04.328 --> 39:05.910 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, Aussie's always going to do that. 39:06.783 --> 39:14.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, Debbie, who may seem a little bit surprising to vote for Brad based on their cod flick in the season in Europe. 39:15.366 --> 39:18.307 [SPEAKER_02]: But in the end, I think she was also just kind of like scoring by Sarah here. 39:18.867 --> 39:25.509 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you have Sierra, who not only gets duped by Sarah, who is also closely working with Brad the entire time. 39:25.829 --> 39:29.470 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what Haley sees in Sarah's game here, 39:30.736 --> 39:34.898 [SPEAKER_02]: is what the producer saw in Haley as potential, right? 39:34.918 --> 39:39.341 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the type of game that I think Haley was expected to play. 39:39.381 --> 39:44.344 [SPEAKER_02]: There's ability to like be incredibly social, which isn't really demonstrated very well in game changes. 39:44.364 --> 39:48.766 [SPEAKER_02]: We see it a lot better in Sarah's winners at Oregon based on the edit. 39:49.327 --> 39:52.729 [SPEAKER_02]: But like is this like super social game that's also strategic? 39:52.749 --> 39:54.850 [SPEAKER_02]: I think this is what the producers wanted out of Haley. 39:55.470 --> 39:56.111 [SPEAKER_02]: but they don't get it. 39:56.151 --> 40:08.123 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think this is one of those instances of if Haley has to choose between really mean man, man who wasn't really there and woman, she's going to pick the woman every time. 40:08.804 --> 40:08.984 [SPEAKER_00]: 100%. 40:09.044 --> 40:11.166 [SPEAKER_00]: As we should. 40:11.767 --> 40:16.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, in this case, it's certainly uh, there was a no brainer in my opinion. 40:18.573 --> 40:25.494 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's helpful to not have somebody on the, as the first juror that is gonna go against you, right? 40:25.634 --> 40:39.317 [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Haley's not like pro Sarah or really like championing that ship, but it helps when that person is not against you because the start of this jury is a pro co-pepper jury. 40:39.337 --> 40:42.337 [SPEAKER_01]: Like you just laid out all the people who vote for him. 40:42.977 --> 40:47.038 [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it's three of the first five jurors, right? 40:48.380 --> 40:52.104 [SPEAKER_01]: really, there's like a pro culpap or tone being set in the jury there. 40:52.684 --> 40:56.147 [SPEAKER_01]: And you have some more influential people like Surrey and Aubrey who come in later. 40:57.308 --> 41:07.118 [SPEAKER_01]: But it helps that like, you know, haily wasn't influenced by by those people who came in because sometimes you don't know like if you're opinion, 41:08.278 --> 41:09.679 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not sure if you're a opinion, right? 41:09.719 --> 41:17.324 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if you have all this, I think stairs playing a great game, but I have all these co-pepper people coming into telling me that how great he's playing, am I wrong? 41:17.364 --> 41:19.085 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, am I seeing things the wrong way? 41:19.485 --> 41:24.568 [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time, how much do you think Haley Ford is getting along with Aussie and Debbie? 41:24.968 --> 41:48.802 [SPEAKER_02]: Probably none, this was more of like a general point, but yeah, I do agree the time, I think I and more as we progress through this particular episode of the series is becoming very clear, like the blur is so important here and maybe what we've determined through how many of these episodes we've done now, like the certain seventh episode sixth episode math, I don't know. 41:53.538 --> 42:14.282 [SPEAKER_02]: I know, this is our seventh episode, and through all of these episodes so far, I think it's become really clear that sometimes there are times where it's really important to get a juror on there who really will stump for you, but also there are times where it's equally as important 42:20.005 --> 42:23.764 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or isn't easily influenced by others. 42:24.206 --> 42:24.448 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 42:26.268 --> 42:28.709 [SPEAKER_00]: All righty, we are going to Desi. 42:28.909 --> 42:48.415 [SPEAKER_00]: Someone who should have gotten so much more screen time props, like all of this this season, because when she came on to the challenge, she really like exploded on the screen in my opinion, thought she was a great character. 42:48.876 --> 42:51.556 [SPEAKER_00]: And we don't get to see it because she's hidden by Joe, 42:53.657 --> 43:07.627 [SPEAKER_00]: by Mike, by Ben, Chrissy, et cetera, and she has four bullets, which is twice as much as the last two, but still not enough. 43:07.687 --> 43:12.010 [SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't go on the reward, so she doesn't get anything with the 43:17.694 --> 43:22.522 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, besides the fact that, all right, now cold one immunity. 43:22.642 --> 43:29.131 [SPEAKER_00]: So the vote split is on Desi and Joe and now Joe is making a mess of things with Ben and so. 43:30.792 --> 43:37.319 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, does he's like, well, I hope this doesn't blow back on me for Joe shenanigans. 43:37.339 --> 43:42.384 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's it, and that's all we hear from Desi in her boot episode. 43:42.484 --> 43:51.013 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, this is insane when if she was brought back, she would do damage to a season. 43:52.368 --> 43:54.909 [SPEAKER_02]: she does win the easy to put challenge offense. 43:54.989 --> 43:57.670 [SPEAKER_02]: So she's a challenge champ. 43:58.050 --> 44:01.431 [SPEAKER_02]: Does he is so passing because we don't really get to see it off of her right? 44:01.451 --> 44:06.653 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it is because of the personalities that survivors kind of pushing in the edit at this point, these big personalities. 44:07.514 --> 44:10.835 [SPEAKER_02]: And just that healer tribe in general, had a lot of them. 44:11.675 --> 44:14.757 [SPEAKER_02]: So we don't really get to see a lot of her. 44:14.837 --> 44:17.419 [SPEAKER_02]: Luckily, we kind of have an idea of how she approaches the game. 44:17.439 --> 44:19.000 [SPEAKER_02]: We know that she is a very strategic player. 44:19.500 --> 44:27.465 [SPEAKER_02]: We know that she does value like social bonds and athleticism and all these different things because we've seen her in another reality TV show afterwards. 44:30.547 --> 44:33.829 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think what we really see from Desi here is 44:41.788 --> 44:45.569 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really hard to determine what her impact on this final title count. 44:45.629 --> 44:48.990 [SPEAKER_02]: So we know she's a strong and opinionated person. 44:49.330 --> 44:53.972 [SPEAKER_02]: We know she's not really going to cave in if someone else comes in with a better idea. 44:54.272 --> 44:57.533 [SPEAKER_02]: Now Ben gets all of these early votes in this season. 44:57.573 --> 45:00.794 [SPEAKER_02]: He gets the first five jurors to vote for him and he loses the last ones. 45:04.330 --> 45:10.492 [SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of that has to do with like the the people who were the last ones were like the main opposition to then throughout the season. 45:11.032 --> 45:13.953 [SPEAKER_02]: So it makes sense that those are the folks that he doesn't receive here. 45:14.693 --> 45:32.579 [SPEAKER_02]: But I think what we really see from Dezi is she's again one of those people who I think is more open towards a winner and open to the fact that yes, in our winner rankings, Ben was very low. 45:34.690 --> 45:37.371 [SPEAKER_02]: because of like, you know, even the trinkets and everything like that. 45:37.631 --> 45:45.733 [SPEAKER_02]: However, this is someone who still respects that hustle from him, even though he's not a hustler, he's a hero of course. 45:46.113 --> 45:51.435 [SPEAKER_00]: And in her final travel council questions, because she actually is, 45:53.186 --> 45:58.671 [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say fully present in this final travel council, but she gets a few good bits in there. 45:58.991 --> 46:04.917 [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, this is why does he should have been shown more throughout the season. 46:05.177 --> 46:11.083 [SPEAKER_00]: But the the travel council is getting a little kg and she's like, hey, guys, remember. 46:11.463 --> 46:12.524 [SPEAKER_00]: This is just a game. 46:12.544 --> 46:14.665 [SPEAKER_00]: It's the outside world, it's the outside world. 46:14.705 --> 46:17.948 [SPEAKER_00]: The people around you out there, you can still trust them. 46:17.988 --> 46:20.410 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, just breathe for a second. 46:20.670 --> 46:21.390 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a game. 46:21.551 --> 46:33.660 [SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on and she kind of is that calming force that, you know, we saw a D chime in and be like, hey, like, let's just rain this in a little bit. 46:34.760 --> 46:50.665 [SPEAKER_00]: And then in the outplay portion, Ryan is like, well, I didn't step up because I didn't know how to do these things and I didn't want anybody saying like, oh, you burnt the rice and then does he chimed in is like, well, 46:51.485 --> 46:53.226 [SPEAKER_00]: I personally have never tended to fire. 46:53.686 --> 46:59.050 [SPEAKER_00]: I've never cooked rice over calls, opened to coconut, used to machete, let alone seen a machete. 46:59.550 --> 47:05.274 [SPEAKER_00]: So you can't really use this as an excuse to say why you didn't do anything in the game. 47:05.994 --> 47:17.361 [SPEAKER_00]: And she is, you know, this vocal juror that I feel like could have been so much more had they shown her in any of the season. 47:18.635 --> 47:26.617 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, well, first of all, Desi, one of my absolute top survivor crushes, very reasonable. 47:26.757 --> 47:27.677 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a good one, yeah. 47:27.917 --> 47:28.197 [SPEAKER_01]: What's up? 47:28.297 --> 47:29.397 [SPEAKER_01]: Are there any reasonable? 47:29.417 --> 47:44.720 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, yeah, it was just gonna be really hard to fit her into this season, and especially into her boot episode, because that episode is jam packed with the post reward, the idle under the flag, 47:45.520 --> 48:03.078 [SPEAKER_01]: The Thai vote you also have Lauren finding like a bank of vote advantage where she doesn't vote at this travel council So there's a lot going on and I think Desi also like had trouble finding a way to fit herself into the game this season like the original healers tribe was a lot of like 48:04.519 --> 48:28.856 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, male dominated storyline with Joe and Cole and like their stuff and then at the swap, she's, it's all about Joe again when he plays his idol and she's just kind of a side character and that and then she's voted out as like a healer purge here at the merge in the middle of Cole who was causing a lot of the drama and Jessica who was like the main narrator. 48:30.417 --> 48:32.699 [SPEAKER_01]: of that healer tribe for the pre-merge. 48:33.019 --> 48:42.607 [SPEAKER_01]: So, Desi, it was really hard to fit her into the edit and herself into the game here, I think, but she is level-headed. 48:42.647 --> 48:50.172 [SPEAKER_01]: She does remind me a lot of Michelle from MVGX, where it's like someone we didn't see a lot of, but you can tell they have a mind for the game. 48:50.633 --> 48:51.834 [SPEAKER_01]: They are going to be level-headed, 48:52.676 --> 49:03.113 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that it maybe that is why they put her on the jury first instead of Joe they could have voted Joe out here, but having Joe as a first juror is can potentially be dangerous. 49:03.233 --> 49:05.817 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that it was a better move here to put 49:06.823 --> 49:22.541 [SPEAKER_02]: Desi on the jury is the first shirt you have a very good point there Kyle because this was a split vote where they split the votes between Desi and Joe and they in the revote they decide to vote as he said into what it's it's a very clearly doesn't go in and a lot of that comes from the fact that as he was used a larger thread here. 49:23.260 --> 49:37.850 [SPEAKER_02]: She is someone who, and it's really hard to say that as people who are just observing the game as it's edited and shown to us on TV, but based on, you know, Oh, season interviews and based on again, seeing her play the challenge, like we know what does he is capable of. 49:39.190 --> 49:42.713 [SPEAKER_02]: And she is someone who can. 49:44.019 --> 49:46.982 [SPEAKER_02]: really ingratiate her way into a game. 49:47.362 --> 50:02.796 [SPEAKER_02]: And if she was given an opportunity to do so enough, she would have been very, very dangerous, whereas someone like Joe, who kind of comes off as like, I mean, this kind of very endearing way, like, Timo Tony Vlachos, right? 50:05.470 --> 50:24.355 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't what he was going for and there's nothing wrong with that but because and he gets an edit because of it like it's it's very clear there and we love Joe here at the specialist, but this it really does kind of make it seem like This was a decision between someone who could potentially win the game 50:25.633 --> 50:50.750 [SPEAKER_02]: And who probably had zero chance of winning the game and who are you keeping in the game definitely right you're keep me on who doesn't have a chance of winning the game and does he going here again this is a another like just like Michelle is a very tone setting first year to go because it really says okay you're unnoticed now anyone who has a potential win the game and 50:52.292 --> 50:57.354 [SPEAKER_02]: use the navigators, and then we get like, you know, Ben being double Asian and making everybody mad at him. 50:57.374 --> 50:58.834 [SPEAKER_02]: So he has to find items for the rest of the game. 50:59.494 --> 51:06.537 [SPEAKER_00]: Ben says, Desi is physically and mentally strong and compete with the best of us, so she has to go. 51:06.677 --> 51:11.018 [SPEAKER_00]: Like, she is one of, you know, the best left in the game. 51:11.639 --> 51:14.860 [SPEAKER_00]: But she's actually not the merge boot. 51:15.040 --> 51:15.720 [SPEAKER_00]: We, we, we, 51:16.400 --> 51:24.008 [SPEAKER_00]: get to talk about how we, you know, we're in the early days where we had merge boots, but not first jurors. 51:24.448 --> 51:29.753 [SPEAKER_00]: We have Jessica Johnson as the merge boot here. 51:30.888 --> 51:38.632 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it changes much if any, um, if she was the, um, first year. 51:39.052 --> 51:43.914 [SPEAKER_00]: I think her and Desi hang out in Ponderosa for a little bit together. 51:44.115 --> 51:47.576 [SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like we have the same outcome. 51:47.596 --> 51:50.678 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Jessica's swaying it much. 51:51.503 --> 51:54.265 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's really important, but there's no healers in the final travel council. 51:55.085 --> 51:56.386 [SPEAKER_02]: You're too here at the end of the ocean. 51:56.786 --> 51:59.567 [SPEAKER_02]: So I think both Jessica and Desi going. 51:59.587 --> 52:02.369 [SPEAKER_02]: They haven't spent the game with these people as much as other people have. 52:03.149 --> 52:12.374 [SPEAKER_02]: It really becomes more of a decision of like, okay, what is their impression of someone like Chrissy, who we know wasn't really making inroads with anyone on the season socially. 52:13.135 --> 52:15.596 [SPEAKER_02]: So how are they going to approach the game? 52:15.616 --> 52:19.258 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think Jessica being there doesn't really change that at all. 52:20.461 --> 52:37.474 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Ryan to their impression surprisingly was like, oh, you're not doing enough around camp, which is kind of antiquated reasoning, but you know, I mean, they could they can vote how they want, but it's interesting because Ben doesn't have a good final tribal performance. 52:37.854 --> 52:38.734 [SPEAKER_01]: So, the way I remember. 52:39.155 --> 52:42.818 [SPEAKER_01]: So, it is really good for him that he sat next to two people that were 52:48.742 --> 52:49.082 [SPEAKER_01]: Devon. 52:49.662 --> 53:01.708 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Ben's like story or pitch lands as well because he's going up again somebody who played like in extremely strong game and was more socially liked than someone like Chrissy for instance. 53:02.708 --> 53:04.089 [SPEAKER_00]: So does he better? 53:05.189 --> 53:05.769 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I'm sorry. 53:06.310 --> 53:06.610 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 53:07.663 --> 53:10.505 [SPEAKER_00]: Alrighty, well, that is our show, everyone. 53:11.186 --> 53:18.531 [SPEAKER_00]: We have bitter or better five first jurors and we will hit you with another five jurors tomorrow. 53:18.691 --> 53:23.715 [SPEAKER_00]: It is the last set of five before we hit the new era. 53:24.175 --> 53:28.018 [SPEAKER_00]: So, John, let us know what's happening in the specialist universe. 53:28.979 --> 53:30.480 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, normally, 53:31.825 --> 53:40.455 [SPEAKER_02]: you could follow up our episode with Phil and once upon an island talking about the winners of each of these seasons we discussed it, but they did that recording on Saturday. 53:40.495 --> 53:51.607 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you haven't checked that out, go back and check that out, Phil, Blake, and Will were breaking down our middle 10 of the winter ranking last night. 53:54.198 --> 53:56.720 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was in there in the comments trying to defend McKenna and I as much as possible. 53:56.760 --> 54:11.510 [SPEAKER_02]: It's really hard to keep up with the comments guys, um, but there's some investigation there in the live chat if you want to go back and look at it because it's always like DM McKenna and I on the discord or something if you want to know more, uh, we do have that channel, the survivor rewind channel. 54:11.530 --> 54:16.934 [SPEAKER_02]: So you guys want to know more about our specific decisions on, uh, placements of winners. 54:17.314 --> 54:18.475 [SPEAKER_02]: You can hit this up in there. 54:19.496 --> 54:20.817 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, McKenna. 54:21.518 --> 54:22.279 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 54:22.319 --> 54:23.820 [SPEAKER_02]: Surviving the fandom on Monday. 54:23.880 --> 54:33.345 [SPEAKER_02]: So if you are the only kind of story of how she on a survivor and how survivor made her entire life a lot better because she met us here while guessing with her right now. 54:36.040 --> 54:42.504 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was a lot of fun to get to talk to tag with how I became a specialist, how I got to survivor, et cetera, et cetera. 54:43.144 --> 54:52.090 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, um, Kyle, you, we haven't mentioned any of your, oh yes, I think, uh, in a little bit. 54:52.150 --> 54:58.874 [SPEAKER_00]: So please, uh, the match at, um, has two new-ish, um, videos out. 54:58.874 --> 55:04.221 [SPEAKER_01]: You can use that nobody listening to this is going to have any interest in at all, but they're weird. 55:04.241 --> 55:06.824 [SPEAKER_00]: You don't know that because I listen to both. 55:09.307 --> 55:13.612 [SPEAKER_01]: But US winner rankings for survivor is for sure going to be my next video. 55:13.652 --> 55:15.775 [SPEAKER_01]: So you can't get enough of that over here. 55:16.175 --> 55:17.217 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll also be doing it. 55:18.199 --> 55:29.993 [SPEAKER_00]: But if in the meantime, if you want to know Kyle's love island character ranking and his ranking every season and big brother, that is over there on the mat chat is linked below. 55:30.674 --> 55:35.259 [SPEAKER_00]: So we will see you all next week with another episode of Better or Better. 55:35.419 --> 55:36.000 [SPEAKER_00]: Goodbye everyone.