WEBVTT 00:04.018 --> 00:06.099 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm a gay up named for a gay up podcast. 00:07.099 --> 00:13.162 [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb Channing, the crocheting hymbo of the internet, is on that's a gay-ass podcast. 00:13.602 --> 00:16.024 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, we're in a gorgeous creation. 00:16.164 --> 00:18.905 [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb, what color would you say this Luke is giving us? 00:20.112 --> 00:21.533 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, it is turquoise. 00:22.154 --> 00:23.975 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's a turquoise. 00:24.075 --> 00:26.697 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because North's chest shoulders arms. 00:27.157 --> 00:29.519 [SPEAKER_01]: See, Caleb, you're marketing genius already. 00:29.599 --> 00:31.441 [SPEAKER_01]: A turquoise T's, are you joking? 00:31.521 --> 00:32.221 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so good. 00:32.802 --> 00:33.883 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, you look stunning. 00:33.903 --> 00:38.466 [SPEAKER_01]: The elephant in my room is I'm wearing a hand me down tank top, but I don't know if it works. 00:38.546 --> 00:42.649 [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb, honest answer, is his tank top giving fifth element in a bad way? 00:42.789 --> 00:43.450 [SPEAKER_01]: Or is it okay? 00:44.851 --> 00:45.771 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's acceptable. 00:46.212 --> 00:47.633 [SPEAKER_02]: It's acceptable. 00:49.015 --> 00:49.536 [SPEAKER_01]: You know what? 00:49.656 --> 00:52.499 [SPEAKER_01]: We love an honest king and Caleb Channing. 00:52.699 --> 00:56.143 [SPEAKER_01]: It is, um, uh, acceptable is correct. 00:56.543 --> 01:00.227 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so listen, we've got a lot to get into for people who might not follow you as of yet. 01:00.968 --> 01:06.434 [SPEAKER_01]: You are an amazing follow on the internet who gives us amazing crocheting videos. 01:06.534 --> 01:09.457 [SPEAKER_01]: Of course, some of the hot body shots. 01:10.418 --> 01:24.989 [SPEAKER_01]: But also some interesting discourse, which we will get into, as you recently had a video, go absolutely bonkers with you straight up torquing, and then it has over 2 million views of kind of annoying conversation if we're being honest. 01:25.489 --> 01:26.870 [SPEAKER_01]: But before we get into that, 01:27.731 --> 01:29.812 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to bring up another controversial tweet of yours. 01:31.452 --> 01:40.354 [SPEAKER_01]: You have a tweet that says, micro-shang has helped me reach milestones like LPSG threads, followers, articles, collabs, and awards. 01:40.774 --> 01:47.256 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm honored to say I've reached the milestone of having M-Preg, A-I-Fan art made of me. 01:49.076 --> 01:50.576 [SPEAKER_01]: Caleb, congratulations. 01:50.697 --> 01:56.778 [SPEAKER_01]: But let's start with what the brunch is M-Preg, A-I-Fan art. 02:00.555 --> 02:03.316 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so bring back King Chamey. 02:04.297 --> 02:13.581 [SPEAKER_02]: That's one of the ones where you know, I don't know how this got kicked up, but uh, there's a certain group of people that find male pregnancy. 02:15.482 --> 02:17.023 [SPEAKER_02]: sexually, um, 02:19.477 --> 02:32.842 [SPEAKER_02]: advertising or, you know, enticing, I have only heard about this, like, as a joke, you know, and the, um, was it called Omega Universe, you know, the people there into, like, where wolves and stuff? 02:33.162 --> 02:33.482 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 02:33.542 --> 02:42.025 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, um, yeah, I saw it and I just saw it absolutely hilarious because it wasn't just like a normal gym thirst trap that they AI edited. 02:42.165 --> 02:44.606 [SPEAKER_02]: It was actually me with my crochet pieces. 02:46.146 --> 02:49.488 [SPEAKER_01]: with like a eight month pregnant baby belly. 02:49.548 --> 02:52.330 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like 10 months, you know, like 10 months. 02:53.591 --> 02:57.154 [SPEAKER_01]: She is giving full gestation times too. 02:57.892 --> 03:03.835 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and the funny thing about us that had some friends that were just like actually, I'm into it. 03:05.957 --> 03:06.697 [SPEAKER_02]: Are you kidding me? 03:06.777 --> 03:08.478 [SPEAKER_02]: Another guy reached out. 03:08.518 --> 03:11.460 [SPEAKER_02]: He was just like, well, do you want any, do you want more of it? 03:11.980 --> 03:13.861 [SPEAKER_02]: And I want his profile. 03:14.361 --> 03:16.503 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, serious to my brain because it. 03:17.855 --> 03:34.350 [SPEAKER_02]: even gets kind of cakeier in the sense of like, um, like, actual guys going in labor and oh, and things and you know, I, I think underneath all of this is the interesting psychological question of why. 03:35.270 --> 03:40.332 [SPEAKER_01]: and sort of how did it begin, and a lot of what? 03:40.993 --> 03:57.380 [SPEAKER_01]: Because listen, pregnancy is a beautiful thing, and I'm sure there are some people who find it erotic, I guess, but like using that, using AI for that, to make cis men pregnant with giant fucking bellies. 03:57.540 --> 03:58.541 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just, 03:59.301 --> 04:03.264 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not the best waste of water is what I'll say personally. 04:03.284 --> 04:04.805 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, not to keep saying. 04:04.825 --> 04:08.008 [SPEAKER_02]: Beater stuff, you know, the feeder stuff makes more sense to me, you know? 04:08.450 --> 04:15.132 [SPEAKER_01]: like either yeah there are so many other reasons why we can waste water and kill the planet using AI and and forever. 04:15.472 --> 04:32.196 [SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm now I am King Shining but speaking of King Shining we are going to turn over to Substack for the second half of this interview to of course discuss some horny questions including your amazing Luke's your amazing body hair some more tweets that you have posted 04:33.696 --> 04:36.777 [SPEAKER_01]: And I have a listener question. 04:36.797 --> 04:38.638 [SPEAKER_01]: I would love to have your take on as well. 04:39.018 --> 04:46.961 [SPEAKER_01]: But since we have time before that, it is very important for me, Caleb Channing, to ask you the famous gay ass podcast question. 04:47.021 --> 04:49.542 [SPEAKER_01]: And that question is, who's fault? 04:49.742 --> 04:50.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it that? 04:50.502 --> 04:51.463 [SPEAKER_01]: You're gay. 04:51.503 --> 04:52.763 [SPEAKER_01]: Who do we blame, babe? 04:54.924 --> 04:58.065 [SPEAKER_02]: I would say I think that moment was, 04:59.515 --> 05:02.858 [SPEAKER_02]: the Batman movie was it Batman Robin? 05:03.199 --> 05:04.960 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, there's one with Chris O'Donnell. 05:05.301 --> 05:09.365 [SPEAKER_02]: There's one with it was it George Clooney and it was a little bit of a man. 05:09.405 --> 05:12.588 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 05:13.149 --> 05:19.475 [SPEAKER_02]: And you had the the body, the suits that had the parking apples. 05:20.115 --> 05:20.296 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 05:21.057 --> 05:25.281 [SPEAKER_01]: I love how we're doing like word association for sort of a back and forth. 05:25.841 --> 05:36.670 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, it is such a great reason for you being gay, but we have to delve into the behind the scenes of that, because you yourself have now big perky tits similar to those of the Batman and Robin suits. 05:37.111 --> 05:43.536 [SPEAKER_01]: But at what age would you say those protruding nipples on screen gave you a certain realization? 05:44.237 --> 05:45.438 [SPEAKER_02]: I would have to say like, 05:47.188 --> 05:48.530 [SPEAKER_02]: between 8 and 11. 05:48.830 --> 05:49.151 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 05:49.371 --> 05:51.514 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's sort of like OG boots. 05:51.594 --> 05:52.195 [SPEAKER_01]: It's giving. 05:52.295 --> 05:53.196 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been a long time. 05:54.057 --> 05:57.922 [SPEAKER_01]: Now as a dramaturg, I know that you're a Philadelphia gay currently. 05:58.062 --> 05:59.264 [SPEAKER_01]: Did you grow up in Philadelphia? 05:59.785 --> 06:01.207 [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, I grew up in Delaware. 06:02.088 --> 06:04.291 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, oh my god, what a random place to be from. 06:06.430 --> 06:08.551 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, it's a corporate tax haven. 06:08.931 --> 06:16.452 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm sure corporations and people there, but it does have, I think, one of the best gay beaches which is Robeth on these coasts. 06:17.093 --> 06:18.673 [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that Robeth. 06:19.013 --> 06:21.574 [SPEAKER_01]: I've heard that Robeth is that girl. 06:21.954 --> 06:25.434 [SPEAKER_01]: And I partly make fun of Delaware as somebody from Missouri. 06:25.534 --> 06:27.535 [SPEAKER_01]: People have a similar reaction like what? 06:27.695 --> 06:28.115 [SPEAKER_01]: Why? 06:28.595 --> 06:34.857 [SPEAKER_01]: But also growing up, I would watch Wayne's World and love the quote, where they were like, you know, talking about each place 06:36.678 --> 06:43.511 [SPEAKER_01]: Catch phrase and for Delaware they just went I'm in Delaware and there's nothing else But we're hoping is it clothing? 06:44.313 --> 06:45.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it all clothes? 06:45.214 --> 06:46.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Are there any nude parts of it? 06:46.913 --> 06:59.379 [SPEAKER_02]: There aren't any new beaches, but there is the gay beach which is poodle beach, so you walk all the way down, and there of course there's a bunch of gay bars and gay clubs and stuff, and that's where you find all the gays that are down there. 07:00.020 --> 07:05.202 [SPEAKER_02]: Every, you know, shape, size, you know, identity, whatever it is. 07:05.583 --> 07:09.464 [SPEAKER_02]: And it's all mixed together, so it's not like, you know, you have like the mean muscle 07:15.580 --> 07:16.341 [SPEAKER_02]: All mixed together. 07:16.481 --> 07:23.007 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually took a photo that was really funny where these guys were on the beach in the pop masks aren't pop foods. 07:23.267 --> 07:29.033 [SPEAKER_02]: I got I'm sure right in the hoods and doing their things that they do. 07:30.234 --> 07:33.417 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so yeah, that's great. 07:36.248 --> 07:43.912 [SPEAKER_01]: I love that you're so afraid of saying anything, but a glowing review of Pops, which by the way, with with ARF, you know, I support their journeys. 07:44.312 --> 07:53.316 [SPEAKER_01]: I also love the Delaware, Rohobev visual of sort of the gay cafeteria is completely been mixed together. 07:53.376 --> 07:54.837 [SPEAKER_01]: There's no segregation. 07:54.857 --> 07:58.719 [SPEAKER_01]: It is all about people just living their bliss on the gay beach. 07:58.899 --> 07:59.600 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's the 08:00.863 --> 08:07.167 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I consider to be the de-militarization zone between Philadelphia and D.C. Gaze, Earth. 08:07.347 --> 08:11.510 [SPEAKER_02]: I just say New York Philadelphia, D.C. Gaze, because do get New York Gaze, I do come down there. 08:12.070 --> 08:13.851 [SPEAKER_01]: Sort of like the neutral, neutral territory. 08:14.392 --> 08:15.332 [SPEAKER_02]: Neutral territory. 08:15.352 --> 08:15.512 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 08:15.753 --> 08:16.533 [SPEAKER_02]: Neutral territory. 08:16.613 --> 08:16.893 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 08:16.953 --> 08:25.539 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, honestly, I'm not just saying this, you're giving a very good review of this beach, and I would love to go to Poodle Beach because it's sort of a fun activity to hit up 08:31.743 --> 08:37.308 [SPEAKER_01]: pool-ness and beach-ness that us gaze can really queerify across the conch. 08:37.368 --> 08:41.971 [SPEAKER_01]: And I love that Rhobe is getting a shout out here on that's a gas podcast. 08:42.011 --> 08:50.518 [SPEAKER_01]: But I do want to know as someone who is currently living in Philadelphia, I've not spent too much time in the gay scene in Philly at all. 08:50.859 --> 08:53.821 [SPEAKER_01]: How would you characterize it as somebody living their gay bliss in Philly? 08:55.742 --> 08:56.123 [SPEAKER_02]: I will. 08:57.844 --> 08:59.706 [SPEAKER_02]: I will say it's very close knit. 09:00.884 --> 09:01.244 [SPEAKER_02]: crude. 09:02.506 --> 09:06.710 [SPEAKER_02]: So don't expect any polish when I kind of like that. 09:06.730 --> 09:07.371 [SPEAKER_02]: Right. 09:08.272 --> 09:13.917 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and like if you prefer more like bar singing, it's great. 09:14.698 --> 09:14.958 [SPEAKER_02]: Great. 09:15.359 --> 09:15.979 [SPEAKER_02]: Definitely great. 09:16.360 --> 09:19.403 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, but if you're a dance queen, is it not great? 09:20.732 --> 09:22.553 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they are party groups out here. 09:23.074 --> 09:24.895 [SPEAKER_02]: Voice of Summer is one of them. 09:25.235 --> 09:27.157 [SPEAKER_02]: They do thorough events and stuff like that. 09:27.217 --> 09:40.827 [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to do a more circuit party, there is more queer groups as well that do more like, like, I don't always say disco, but just different, not like, circuit music. 09:41.207 --> 09:47.672 [SPEAKER_02]: It is here, but the thing is, is our bars and clubs close at 2AM. 09:50.362 --> 09:52.185 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, is he going to do so much? 09:52.726 --> 10:03.083 [SPEAKER_01]: That's so funny though because I have heard this from many a gay person, queer person, party, slut, which is always like we're always comparing everything to New York, which is open until 10:04.538 --> 10:30.255 [SPEAKER_01]: always ever because literally last weekend my husband went out and said that the bar at one fifteen the morning turned the lights on and we live in LA so it's not like it's like you know a tiny city but I do as somebody who loves to go to bed at ten thirty I respect everyone but it only stays open till two I'm like girl that sounds great too sure that's the latest I want to be out ever. 10:30.995 --> 10:42.267 [SPEAKER_01]: But I know as New York girls love a sunrise and one day I will grow the fortitude to allow myself to not get 10 hours of sleep. 10:43.068 --> 10:49.475 [SPEAKER_01]: So just to give it a little tease, speaking of you going out, what happened on twitter.com? 10:50.732 --> 10:58.180 [SPEAKER_01]: is that you posted a video of you throwing ass that went very viral over 2 million views and there was all of a sudden a ton of discourse. 10:58.700 --> 11:05.107 [SPEAKER_01]: Before we get into the discourse, can you confirm or deny where this party was that you were working at? 11:06.108 --> 11:10.753 [SPEAKER_02]: So this was a T-dance that is a Dardi day party. 11:12.113 --> 11:13.755 [SPEAKER_02]: Right, and one, see. 11:14.376 --> 11:16.858 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, a Dirty in DZ. 11:17.039 --> 11:17.379 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay. 11:18.180 --> 11:18.400 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 11:19.121 --> 11:20.743 [SPEAKER_01]: So that is good to know. 11:21.143 --> 11:23.886 [SPEAKER_01]: The discourse was people saying that you were looking stiff. 11:23.966 --> 11:27.711 [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, you know, angry that a gay guy was enjoying his one life. 11:28.872 --> 11:35.737 [SPEAKER_01]: There are some references of creatine hole, which we're going to have to get into and figure out what the hell that is. 11:36.357 --> 11:44.684 [SPEAKER_01]: But before we do that, I just want to give that to you, because for me, while that is exciting, what's even more exciting is the crocheting that you're doing. 11:45.084 --> 11:49.887 [SPEAKER_01]: You're a bio-online, say, see where I friendly, neighborhood, crocheting, himbo. 11:50.628 --> 11:51.529 [SPEAKER_01]: So I want to know, 11:53.578 --> 12:02.362 [SPEAKER_01]: When you wear these really hot and revealing crochet swim briefs, are you getting crazy comments from people? 12:02.482 --> 12:03.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Is the first insane? 12:03.843 --> 12:05.264 [SPEAKER_01]: What's the reaction I wrote? 12:06.239 --> 12:10.100 [SPEAKER_02]: The reaction is kind of by one usually or kind of trying when on. 12:10.140 --> 12:17.341 [SPEAKER_02]: So I've learned whenever I'm going to like the beaches or like a phone on boat for instance like Splash all so you know, float till the set they make and stuff like that. 12:17.641 --> 12:21.302 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, actually one because people always want to like put one on and fall up around in it. 12:21.962 --> 12:33.145 [SPEAKER_02]: Or you know, if you're a Kiki, you know, and if I'm post, well, if I'm in the house and I have some funny boys will go through and pick some out and run around and I'm sitting there like, 12:34.385 --> 12:36.887 [SPEAKER_02]: You can take your photos and stuff, but please take it off and put it back. 12:37.367 --> 12:40.849 [SPEAKER_01]: Do not be like you're like a living Instagram activation. 12:40.909 --> 12:44.811 [SPEAKER_01]: People are just obsessed with getting their pictures posing by the sign. 12:46.733 --> 12:48.133 [SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of incredible. 12:48.294 --> 12:50.435 [SPEAKER_01]: You're a business woman whether you like it or not. 12:51.022 --> 12:56.928 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, like you, since it is me, I have to represent my brand and everything stuff. 12:56.948 --> 13:07.460 [SPEAKER_02]: I have anything that is like crocheted on when I go out, people want to try it on, they want to touch it and stuff like that, but then when I don't have it on, they're just like, how can you not wear it in your crochet? 13:07.500 --> 13:10.243 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just like, I don't wear it all the time. 13:10.703 --> 13:20.956 [SPEAKER_01]: Damn, if you do and damn, if you don't wear slutty crochet, wear, I read in one of the interviews you have online that your mom inspired you to crochet, is that true? 13:22.332 --> 13:33.101 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yes, yes, yes, she started when she was like very ill and everything and I used to just buy her I showed with text me wherever saying oh, I want this pattern. 13:33.121 --> 13:45.952 [SPEAKER_02]: I need this yarn and I need this hook or whatever it is And I'll go to the store and bring it to her She's made me like a few hats and everything and then she passed away and I gave away all for crochet stuff to somebody else, which I 13:46.672 --> 13:48.834 [SPEAKER_02]: As like I should have done that and that a year's later. 13:48.854 --> 13:56.222 [SPEAKER_02]: Basically, I'm going to do something with my hands, you know, like I am a designer by trip like all my degrees and stuff like that. 13:56.282 --> 13:58.844 [SPEAKER_02]: So all in art design and always on a screen. 13:59.105 --> 14:02.268 [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to get off the screen and make something with my hands. 14:02.728 --> 14:06.569 [SPEAKER_02]: especially now you've got all the AI sloped that they are generating and everything. 14:06.609 --> 14:06.969 [SPEAKER_01]: True. 14:06.989 --> 14:08.869 [SPEAKER_02]: So now everybody wants something they can't. 14:08.909 --> 14:10.110 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this a human made this? 14:10.650 --> 14:12.990 [SPEAKER_02]: So I picked up the hook. 14:13.190 --> 14:14.231 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a hook, not a needle. 14:14.731 --> 14:24.553 [SPEAKER_02]: And some yarn and just learned basically I started doing the needle, you know, little plushies, little like coasters, 14:25.453 --> 14:25.933 [SPEAKER_02]: at first. 14:26.733 --> 14:34.836 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, you just, you know, a lot of them weren't great and, you know, making stuff for friends that weren't great, but the thing is, it's about the counts and then just get better and better to get better. 14:35.496 --> 14:45.700 [SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, okay, what is like some apparel that I can make, you know, be free, crochet, think of your grandma's stuff, you know, that's water that is 10 different colors of daily blanket. 14:46.620 --> 14:51.442 [SPEAKER_02]: And yes, start making like beanies, yes, pretty unisex thing. 14:55.503 --> 14:58.144 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the briefs, which were have a pouch. 14:58.184 --> 15:00.025 [SPEAKER_02]: So I was usually for some of my who's like a six male. 15:00.606 --> 15:09.210 [SPEAKER_02]: And then, yeah, I think the tank tops were like the biggest project I did I start out with. 15:09.230 --> 15:13.772 [SPEAKER_02]: And that just like, you know, you look at the tank, the wife pleasers. 15:16.003 --> 15:16.884 [SPEAKER_02]: the Woke Town for it. 15:17.044 --> 15:20.648 [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, the beaters that I had, you know, using that as going to be not hurt. 15:20.848 --> 15:25.272 [SPEAKER_01]: I've not heard wife, please, there's, but I'm pleased to hear that over the other one. 15:26.774 --> 15:33.641 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just want to commend you for a second, pushing through the phase of not being very good at it, because I think that's what stops 15:34.201 --> 15:41.165 [SPEAKER_01]: the vast majority of people from starting anything new, I can apply it to me starting this podcast. 15:41.245 --> 15:44.686 [SPEAKER_01]: I was so embarrassed when I started this podcast because I was like, it's bad. 15:44.807 --> 15:45.207 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm bad. 15:45.287 --> 15:45.647 [SPEAKER_01]: It's bad. 15:45.747 --> 15:46.127 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm bad. 15:46.547 --> 15:47.928 [SPEAKER_01]: But you have to push through. 15:47.948 --> 15:49.689 [SPEAKER_01]: Even if it isn't bad who gives a fuck. 15:49.729 --> 15:58.113 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're we're allowing ourselves to, you know, be creative and then go through the beginnings, the beginner phase. 15:58.133 --> 15:59.074 [SPEAKER_01]: So now you're, you're, 15:59.754 --> 16:02.797 [SPEAKER_01]: making these, like, really, I mean, genuinely beautiful pieces. 16:03.017 --> 16:14.827 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just love the sort of gay interplay of it all because, you know, you've talked about in other interviews how you have this masculine side, but then crocheting is, you know, very feminine in many ways, and then to see it come together. 16:14.867 --> 16:17.709 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I don't know, honoring our 16:18.570 --> 16:23.572 [SPEAKER_01]: sluddiness and our, uh, we contain multi-two deadness. 16:24.032 --> 16:25.513 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, what would you say Caleb Channing? 16:25.573 --> 16:31.996 [SPEAKER_01]: As somebody who presents pretty macho, what would you say is your queenest, faggiest, feminist quality to have one? 16:33.096 --> 16:34.016 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh God. 16:36.857 --> 16:42.980 [SPEAKER_02]: My friends always make fun of me because they're saying like, uh, this might be very controversial to say, but does it like 16:49.600 --> 16:50.781 [SPEAKER_01]: Wait, what's underneath that? 16:51.162 --> 16:54.505 [SPEAKER_01]: Is it that you're lazy or that you just want long flowing hair? 16:54.605 --> 16:55.206 [SPEAKER_01]: What's going on? 16:55.226 --> 17:09.019 [SPEAKER_02]: I just say like I still find like some women like sexually attractive like you know just like a batting Sure, I'm just like imagine being her just like walking into the room 17:10.427 --> 17:19.612 [SPEAKER_02]: and just, you know, all the guys and, you know, one her, all the girls want to be her, which calls them have envy and hate her, you know? 17:20.392 --> 17:28.717 [SPEAKER_02]: Now, it's gay men, we do experience that as well, you know, in certain ways, but just since we live in, you know, a dominant, heterodomative world, 17:29.730 --> 17:33.952 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, as it's like, who will never experience what she's experienced? 17:33.992 --> 17:34.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 17:34.452 --> 17:46.618 [SPEAKER_01]: So you want to be like the female lady, Betty, who is the head turner of the room, and that's your fantasy. 17:46.658 --> 17:48.799 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but I think that's a pretty country fantasy. 17:48.959 --> 17:49.959 [SPEAKER_01]: I can see it. 17:49.999 --> 17:53.421 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you describe if let's say you do, 17:56.530 --> 18:01.798 [SPEAKER_01]: and you're wearing the baddest of ensembles. 18:02.378 --> 18:05.944 [SPEAKER_01]: What do you envision yourself wearing as this bad bitch turning heads? 18:06.916 --> 18:34.296 [SPEAKER_02]: There's this crochet account where it's all I think it's like all black and brown women and she grows shades on these I don't know what the the names of these tops are, but she's the piazza within the yarn right So it's like gold sequin light beach cover and these girls their skin is like glistening like and You know, it's asked just like and they're just like you know like 18:36.194 --> 18:40.395 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think it's like, I want to make those things like I could make those things, but making for a woman. 18:40.535 --> 18:53.439 [SPEAKER_02]: I, if I wear them, I look like a brick, you know, I don't want to be a brick, but tell me, but true or false, have you ever put on a long wig and then just fucking lived your fantasy? 18:54.900 --> 18:55.580 [SPEAKER_02]: I've done a ball. 18:57.285 --> 18:58.306 [SPEAKER_01]: And you activated the bomb. 18:58.866 --> 19:02.129 [SPEAKER_02]: I actually did the bomb, but it was kind of like, okay, things itchy. 19:02.229 --> 19:02.970 [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, love. 19:03.070 --> 19:04.691 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you can say, shake and go. 19:05.412 --> 19:07.554 [SPEAKER_01]: We need to get you to love this fantasy. 19:07.894 --> 19:17.302 [SPEAKER_01]: I want you to live this fantasy, even for just one night, like a really long high quality wig that you can like feel brush against the top of your ass. 19:17.882 --> 19:22.668 [SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe we give you some big fake, you know, a tit plate. 19:22.788 --> 19:24.791 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just, I just see you. 19:24.891 --> 19:30.779 [SPEAKER_01]: I can just picture you stomping the art and it being really, really effective. 19:31.422 --> 19:40.130 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I will be the finest orkish warrior woman, you know, broad shoulders and all. 19:41.492 --> 19:46.336 [SPEAKER_01]: Now, the crocheting of it all, I'm definitely linking your socials and the description. 19:46.356 --> 19:47.437 [SPEAKER_01]: So people should go check it out. 19:47.738 --> 19:49.539 [SPEAKER_01]: I know you're doing custom orders online. 19:49.599 --> 19:49.740 [SPEAKER_01]: So, 19:50.520 --> 19:54.162 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make sure people take a look and see at that. 19:54.522 --> 20:06.468 [SPEAKER_01]: But before we get into the sub-stex side, where I'm going to ask you about your first boy boy kiss, I'm going to ask you about maybe a formative dating or hook-up tale, but let's get into the Twitter finally. 20:06.488 --> 20:06.548 [SPEAKER_01]: So. 20:07.855 --> 20:18.139 [SPEAKER_01]: the video that was posted all of a sudden people are saying that you look really stiff and even questioning if you are indeed a black person which is fully insane. 20:19.299 --> 20:24.061 [SPEAKER_01]: What was your first reaction to the video going viral in that way? 20:26.162 --> 20:33.984 [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, yeah, so I first posted video on my Instagram and like on Instagram and sorry, I guess you got like 10k views sales like, oh, wow. 20:34.464 --> 20:41.785 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, okay, so this is good enough to post on Twitter, but of course, completely different audiences, my posts on Instagram are different than Twitter. 20:42.785 --> 20:50.667 [SPEAKER_02]: And to where I just thought, be a funny because I did post a twerking video before on Twitter and, you know, got a normal response. 20:50.907 --> 20:55.608 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so seeing the response from this, I was like, Oh, okay. 20:56.448 --> 21:01.011 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm getting the gay in cell accounts and the gay in cell accounts. 21:01.031 --> 21:02.032 [SPEAKER_02]: We all know who they are. 21:02.372 --> 21:10.037 [SPEAKER_02]: They are the people out our stand accounts that have fake profile photos that just spread hatred and misery all throughout. 21:10.417 --> 21:18.182 [SPEAKER_02]: The funniest one, mainly the still one that was stiff, was a drag queen stand account for Mr. No, books. 21:18.722 --> 21:21.124 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm just like, you're a drag queen stand account. 21:23.786 --> 21:32.778 [SPEAKER_01]: which that fandom, I don't know what is the reason behind it, but the drag stand accounts are among some of the meanest on the internet. 21:32.999 --> 21:35.282 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know why that is. 21:35.302 --> 21:39.007 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, why are some of the drag stands so brutal? 21:39.027 --> 21:40.229 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you have you ever thought about that? 21:41.134 --> 21:43.075 [SPEAKER_02]: other insults get insults. 21:43.175 --> 21:51.719 [SPEAKER_02]: It's like they've attached a touch onto this fandom that makes them finally feel important and they just defend it so much. 21:51.919 --> 21:56.141 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's just like you know, you have the Star Wars fans, right? 21:56.181 --> 22:00.123 [SPEAKER_02]: How they tear apart the Star Wars stuff, right? 22:00.664 --> 22:03.225 [SPEAKER_02]: Marvel fans, you know, they tear you something. 22:03.265 --> 22:04.465 [SPEAKER_02]: This is the same thing. 22:04.485 --> 22:07.387 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just that these are queer people who are 22:08.663 --> 22:28.511 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you know, mental health issues that are there, you know, they're hurting fellow queer people like I think that's I think that's the part of the whole thing that is so upsetting is like, It's like, I mean, yes, envy and proximity, right, like it's easier to attack someone that's also in the same community because you're approximately closer to them. 22:28.551 --> 22:35.294 [SPEAKER_02]: You know what's pushing you to things to say, you know, versus, you know, if it was some, you know, we got these Republican lawmakers 22:36.114 --> 22:47.321 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, these people literally are putting, putting bands out against drag, against trans people and stuff like that, not a word from these, you know, drag race, stand accounts. 22:47.921 --> 22:48.621 [SPEAKER_01]: Interesting. 22:48.661 --> 22:48.982 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 22:49.970 --> 22:59.359 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, me, POC, twerking, you got a whole thing to say about it, God, God essay, God pieces and stuff like that. 23:00.040 --> 23:03.643 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, so that's very spot on. 23:03.783 --> 23:11.911 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of your reactions, I loved you posted the gay in cells on here, do not want to be in relationships, have real life friends and be happy. 23:12.271 --> 23:26.449 [SPEAKER_01]: They only want to critique those of us that do by projecting their envy and insecurities behind a veneer of moral superiority to mask how miserable they really are, which is poetry, Caleb. 23:26.810 --> 23:28.112 [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to briefly reference up. 23:29.273 --> 23:48.433 [SPEAKER_01]: I had a similar experience where I posted a horny inside out dad Halloween costume on Twitter and it got similarly piled upon and I never used the word gay in cells to say who was of sitting on me, but I would say it was a lot of people who don't leave their parents' basements. 23:49.893 --> 24:08.835 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they live in compounds in my face, like emotional compounds, even if it's not a physical one, like it's it is dark side to hear how many people are triggered by a man like Caleb living his bliss in Washington DC of all places, what what 24:11.025 --> 24:29.863 [SPEAKER_01]: is happening with the creatine hole of it all, um, someone, someone said, in their quote tweet, personally, I would like to see more Jim Mussel creatine hole, twerking on my timeline, please, and thank you. 24:30.123 --> 24:31.885 [SPEAKER_01]: What the fook is creatine hole? 24:33.010 --> 24:43.479 [SPEAKER_02]: So this phrase is by Ray Monte who quote tweeted it right saying that like, I don't care if the ass moves at Jim Muscle Creatine Hall, grip is different. 24:43.539 --> 24:46.121 [SPEAKER_02]: So it grips and I want parts of it, right? 24:46.241 --> 24:54.568 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was like a sentence that none of us have heard our ancestors haven't heard like, what is this combination of words, right? 24:55.549 --> 24:58.674 [SPEAKER_02]: And basically, it is just a guy with a muscular ass. 24:58.694 --> 25:00.036 [SPEAKER_02]: We call it muscle bottom, right? 25:00.536 --> 25:07.127 [SPEAKER_02]: And people, I sense another interview which is basically a muscle ass does not jiggle like that. 25:07.748 --> 25:08.429 [SPEAKER_02]: It bounces. 25:09.428 --> 25:14.911 [SPEAKER_02]: right like it just is you have muscle muscle doesn't jiggle like, you know, fat wood. 25:15.451 --> 25:24.796 [SPEAKER_02]: So that's just and also if anybody who has topped a muscle bottom guy who does his squats and stuff and that's how muscle a guy who skips like day, right? 25:25.477 --> 25:26.978 [SPEAKER_02]: It is a bit different. 25:27.998 --> 25:33.401 [SPEAKER_01]: You're saying like the the uh in the what's the word? 25:33.421 --> 25:34.382 [SPEAKER_01]: The texture is 25:39.706 --> 25:41.347 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's just different. 25:41.407 --> 25:43.409 [SPEAKER_02]: It's just like, it has bounce. 25:43.469 --> 25:45.731 [SPEAKER_02]: It has, I don't want to say resist. 25:46.571 --> 25:47.192 [SPEAKER_01]: Right, sure. 25:48.152 --> 25:55.978 [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, creatine hole is a way to like somehow label a muscle as something just insane. 25:56.058 --> 25:58.040 [SPEAKER_01]: That's what, creatine hole means we have a muscular ass. 25:58.740 --> 26:00.842 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, muscular ass is exactly what it means. 26:00.902 --> 26:04.645 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you go to the gym, you take your creatine, go to the gym and you actually do a late day. 26:06.082 --> 26:06.662 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man. 26:06.723 --> 26:10.285 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I aspire to have to be a little more creatine holy. 26:10.545 --> 26:19.470 [SPEAKER_01]: Minds, um, I don't, I love how much you shade people are not doing like day because I, um, I need to figure out how to do it. 26:19.710 --> 26:24.013 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm one of those gym gays who has always hated it always will, but I'm finally figuring out. 26:24.393 --> 26:26.937 [SPEAKER_01]: they're like five exercises to do for my upper body. 26:27.278 --> 26:36.753 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm figuring out what to do for a lower, but I'm sort of a can't be bothered yet, but I'll one day have a little bit of a bigger mostly, and that's a promise Caleb. 26:37.859 --> 26:52.349 [SPEAKER_02]: Is this like for me being a competitive bodybuilder, amateur competitive bodybuilder, you know, look at a body and I'm like, if I see a guy with nice legs, and I'm being like, no, they don't have to have a big, you know, big, true trunk thighs just on nice legs, right? 26:52.789 --> 26:54.850 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, okay, you know what you're doing in the gym. 26:55.150 --> 27:00.854 [SPEAKER_02]: The other genetically blessed, or you know what you're doing in the gym, because it's not size is about everything. 27:00.914 --> 27:02.515 [SPEAKER_02]: It's about the definition and shape. 27:08.004 --> 27:08.645 [SPEAKER_01]: I see. 27:08.865 --> 27:14.449 [SPEAKER_01]: Look at you teaching the class Caleb Channing on what makes a creatine hole. 27:15.270 --> 27:22.315 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I remember growing up and seeing people who were like born with six packs and I just knew I was never going to be that girl. 27:22.696 --> 27:23.116 [SPEAKER_01]: Were you? 27:23.736 --> 27:30.522 [SPEAKER_01]: Are you both genetically blessed and able to understand how it works in the gym or is it more one than any other? 27:32.056 --> 27:36.527 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm genetically blessed in a sense that I used to be a big back. 27:37.108 --> 27:38.732 [SPEAKER_02]: Got the stretch marks and everything to prove it. 27:39.994 --> 27:44.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Does that be I used to be a big back I have in our people say it in that way. 27:45.038 --> 27:47.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you were a curvy crank curvy queen. 27:47.781 --> 27:48.521 [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. 27:49.662 --> 27:52.244 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, if I kept going around I was going. 27:52.424 --> 27:54.106 [SPEAKER_02]: I would be part of the bear community. 27:54.406 --> 27:55.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Sure. 27:55.167 --> 28:01.072 [SPEAKER_01]: So when did you go from big back to Patty Wack? 28:04.216 --> 28:06.038 [SPEAKER_02]: Now everybody wants a bone. 28:07.179 --> 28:15.607 [SPEAKER_02]: Well, so high school, I think it was a junior year high school, PE, you know, state. 28:16.168 --> 28:23.155 [SPEAKER_02]: I was funny because I think back to it and, you know, PE coach, PE teacher, and whatever. 28:23.635 --> 28:26.117 [SPEAKER_02]: And high school, I mean, they actually force me to do things. 28:27.379 --> 28:28.360 [SPEAKER_02]: And, um... 28:28.860 --> 28:32.023 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I lost like quite a bit of weight, but still was not great. 28:32.083 --> 28:34.165 [SPEAKER_02]: And then summer time. 28:34.725 --> 28:35.986 [SPEAKER_02]: I was like, okay, let's do it. 28:36.607 --> 28:45.414 [SPEAKER_02]: I lost weight came back thinking that the girl I liked would be interested in me to date me because I saw she was into all the wrestlers and stuff like that. 28:45.795 --> 28:46.936 [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, I did not happen. 28:46.956 --> 28:49.378 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, you could say I was another formative gay. 28:49.398 --> 28:52.140 [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, but we're just getting rejected by the girl 28:57.820 --> 29:25.955 [SPEAKER_01]: Actually, no, that's a great transition into the substock because I'm like when did you finally get that kiss that boy boy kiss when did you finally get Have your creatine whole explored So well we'll wait we'll wait to do that on the other side But since we want to go to the sub-sex side Let me ask you the famous podcast question on the main feed before heading over and that question is Caleb Channing if the world was ending you can only save one character Actress 29:26.535 --> 29:38.542 [SPEAKER_02]: Who would you say, Oh, so I have names in my head, but I can only be one, I can't do I can top five. 29:38.842 --> 29:44.626 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I love an emotional journey and if you want to give us more than one, I'm not a bully here. 29:44.766 --> 29:47.587 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm here to embrace the journey to the destination. 29:47.627 --> 29:48.568 [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, who are you between? 29:50.895 --> 29:56.363 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I will go with, uh, living and past and gone. 29:56.423 --> 30:05.035 [SPEAKER_02]: I think, um, mild Davis, I think, just because like her story, all right, and also just at least eating. 30:06.837 --> 30:14.424 [SPEAKER_02]: you know, just she goes all the way for uh, I also kind of find a funny herperture of uh, Michelle. 30:14.465 --> 30:15.906 [SPEAKER_01]: Michelle Obama. 30:16.326 --> 30:24.974 [SPEAKER_01]: I literally was just, I don't know where I read it, but Michelle Obama was asked recently about viola Davis portrayal of her. 30:25.755 --> 30:34.978 [SPEAKER_01]: and I can't even tell you what Michelle Obama's reaction or take was, but it was incredible because I think it was kind of like a, I don't know why she did it like that. 30:35.899 --> 30:39.300 [SPEAKER_01]: But like you said, Viola can't help but go full tilt. 30:39.700 --> 30:42.461 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's partly why we love her so much. 30:43.122 --> 30:48.545 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, and she did like an acceptance speech that found like really, really touching as well. 30:48.565 --> 30:59.492 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember exactly what Warsaw was, but yeah, her and then I have to go with my one that's past ways, Katherine, I'll hear it like just. 31:00.732 --> 31:19.943 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, from home alone, and then all the shit's creaking, all stuff she's done between, and it's just like, you know, it's so important, and she's been coming up a lot lately for that very reason, which is we want her to know on the other side how much that she means to us, and I know that she knows, but I think we can never say it too much. 31:19.983 --> 31:24.725 [SPEAKER_01]: And so Catherine O'Hara, if you're listening or watching, would you please subscribe? 31:24.765 --> 31:25.606 [SPEAKER_01]: We need the numbers. 31:26.466 --> 31:26.646 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, 31:28.267 --> 31:35.873 [SPEAKER_01]: By Vila Davis, Catherine O'Hara, two stunning answers, Caleb Channing, you are such a great chat, and that's what we're going to continue to do. 31:35.953 --> 31:47.321 [SPEAKER_01]: So with questions about more creatine whole discussions, something you tweeted involving a gym crush, we're going to get into, I'm going to ask you about your body here. 31:47.721 --> 31:49.241 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm asking how tall you are. 31:49.261 --> 31:51.322 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to answer our listener question. 31:51.342 --> 31:52.802 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to do all of that on Substack. 31:52.822 --> 31:56.202 [SPEAKER_01]: But before we do so, will you tell these listeners where to follow you? 31:56.302 --> 31:58.143 [SPEAKER_01]: And if there's anything you would like for them to know? 31:58.163 --> 31:59.703 [SPEAKER_02]: OK, yes. 31:59.723 --> 32:04.204 [SPEAKER_02]: You can follow me, Caleb, underscore chanting on Instagram, on Twitter. 32:04.244 --> 32:06.784 [SPEAKER_02]: I believe it's Caleb, underscore chanting 9. 32:07.184 --> 32:09.025 [SPEAKER_02]: And there's two fake accounts out there. 32:09.885 --> 32:10.825 [SPEAKER_02]: Do not follow those accounts. 32:10.845 --> 32:11.785 [SPEAKER_02]: They're not verified. 32:12.125 --> 32:16.546 [SPEAKER_02]: They're like base in Nigeria, base in scam you, do not. 32:17.286 --> 32:19.708 [SPEAKER_02]: engage on these my photos and stuff. 32:19.728 --> 32:21.770 [SPEAKER_02]: I've got them both both blocked though. 32:22.631 --> 32:26.134 [SPEAKER_02]: And also my website Caleb Channing.com. 32:26.354 --> 32:29.437 [SPEAKER_02]: That's where you'll find where you can order some of my stuff. 32:29.457 --> 32:35.062 [SPEAKER_02]: So right now have the swim briefs and the normal briefs and the tank tops are on sale. 32:35.282 --> 32:41.767 [SPEAKER_02]: So get those orders in right now and kind of overwhelm, but still oh I'm sure I'm going to jump down. 32:42.508 --> 32:43.628 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's where you find it. 32:43.648 --> 32:44.269 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, amazing. 32:44.309 --> 33:00.673 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I've linked all of that in the description uh definitely follow Kayla but get some of those delicious crocheted looks and continue to support the real Caleb and not the Nigerian princes who will not send you real crochets when where they will just drain your. 33:01.073 --> 33:02.935 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, go. 33:03.175 --> 33:22.790 [SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so as we move over to the close friends edition of this conversation, where we get into the real behind the scenes, I would love to ask, if you have any formative stories that are either a dating story, a hook-up tale that comes to mind that felt super exciting, surprising, embarrassing, formative in any way. 33:23.945 --> 33:24.366 [SPEAKER_02]: gosh. 33:25.107 --> 33:28.031 [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so I'll start with first time kissing a boy. 33:28.051 --> 33:35.341 [SPEAKER_02]: It was in uni and of course art I was doing art in uni. 33:35.381 --> 33:38.546 [SPEAKER_02]: It was my major and this was upper class men. 33:39.627 --> 34:07.994 [SPEAKER_01]: And we just went up on the roof one night, you know, just work it in the studio and give some wine when up on top of the roof and For the rest of the interview, head to sub-stack linked below where you will also find chats with Colin Braun, Rich Burns, Christopher Patterson Ross, so Tyler Varval, Sebastian Dino, Cody Silver, Johnny Sibley, Sam Altizer and more It's at sub-stack.com slash at Eric Wills, and I will see you there for a gorgeous Harry Hornie time.